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Death Cult Blamed for Chocolate Jihad Mayhem!

December 15, 2014

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The absence of any tangible facts or credible information hasn’t prevented The Daily Telegraph from insinuating that the so-called ISIS DEATH CULT is behind the hostage siege situation currently unfolding in Martin Place, Sydney.

While more level-headed minds await categorical facts before jumping to conclusions, The Daily Telegraph didn’t let the opportunity to ramp up fear and hysteria in the community and scaremongering of Muslims to one hundred and eleventy.

Meanwhile, shock jock Ray Hadley claims he has spoken directly to one of the victims taken hostage in the Lindt chocolate shop.

Hadley said on 2GB that the male hostage was “remarkably calm” while relaying information from the gunman over the phone.

The gunman wanted the hostage to speak live on radio, a demand that Hadley said he refused.

“I wouldn’t allow that to happen,” Hadley told his listeners.

Hadley claimed the gunman was talking about “other operatives being involved” however Federal Police are yet to verify Hadley’s claims.

A number of hostages were forced to hold an Islamic flag against the shop window shortly after the siege began at 9.45am.

 

 

 

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153 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2014 4:54 pm

    I’m sure there is nothing to be concerned about.

  2. December 15, 2014 5:03 pm

    The best course of action is to mock those who think Islamic “tewawism” could possibly happen here. It’s all just a huge beat-up by the right-wing-fascist Abbott government, aided and abetted by the MURDOCH(!) “newspapers”, all aimed at ‘manufacturing consent’ from the frightened and compliant sheeple.

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 15, 2014 5:29 pm

    So more guns on the streets = less chance of being killed?

    “…Anywhere between a dozen and 50 hostages, and not a gun between them. How do you think this guy would fare in, say, Texas?…”

    He would have walked in and started blasting away with his semi automatic. Most dead in the first minutes.

  4. Meta permalink
    December 15, 2014 5:32 pm

    (Death by chocolate! Or something.)

  5. December 15, 2014 6:41 pm

    So “if” this is a genuine tewawist threat, is it any real surprise given Abbott’s eagerness to join in the warmongering humanitarian effort in the Middle East?

  6. egg permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:09 pm

    Dunno, there are two sides to every story.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:16 pm

    NO …

    IS is a ME problem … if “Australians” want to go and join them – let them but they stay there – one way or another …

    … “if” this is a genuine tewawist threat, …

    Yes, this does seem odd … (meaning more like a hostage situation rather than a terrorist)

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:21 pm

    The best course of action is to mock those who think Islamic “tewawism” could possibly happen here. It’s all just a huge beat-up by the right-wing-fascist Abbott government, aided and abetted by the MURDOCH(!) “newspapers”, all aimed at ‘manufacturing consent’ from the frightened and compliant sheeple.

    You may not have followed today on the TV … I’ve been listening … one of the things that has been constantly said is that the police have been training for this since 2001 … and that the Feds (ASIO and AFP) don’t have this person on their radar …

    … aided and abetted by the MURDOCH(!) “newspapers”, all aimed at ‘manufacturing consent’ from the frightened and compliant sheeple.

    Well ya got that bit right …

    Shall I start building my bomb shelter?

  9. December 15, 2014 7:26 pm

    We’re even getting dramatic reports on the dramatic reports that are happening overseas about the dramatic reports of the dramatic events back in Australia.

  10. December 15, 2014 7:32 pm

  11. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:35 pm

    aided and abetted by the MURDOCH(!) “newspapers”

    I don’t suppose you want to comment on the graphic associated with this blog post then?

    Hadleys been acting like a wanker all day reb. I recently heard him claim there was no way he would televise a conversation with someone inside. Well, tell them to clean up their twitter account

  12. December 15, 2014 7:42 pm

    “”I don’t suppose you want to comment on the graphic associated with this blog post then?””

    Nah, much easier to be a #sidelinesniper

  13. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:46 pm

    Nah, much easier to be a #sidelinesniper

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    Having participated in that form of snipery myself, I have to say, it has much to offer.

    In the same way that “Ding Dong Dash” does for my kids 😉

  14. December 15, 2014 7:49 pm

    I might add that I thought Abbott’s response was appropriately measured.

    He didn’t threaten to shirtfront the hostage taker which was surprisingly refreshing.

  15. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2014 7:57 pm

    I might add that I thought Abbott’s response was appropriately measured.

    Yes, I must admit, it was quite good

    Does this mean that we have already infiltrated and our peerless leader successfully replaced with a T-800 ya-Bot?

  16. December 15, 2014 8:00 pm

    “I don’t suppose you want to comment on the graphic associated with this blog post then?”

    The Telly is taking editorial instructions from Peta Credlin. Obviously.

  17. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2014 8:03 pm

    Obviously.

    Or vice versa. But the end result is the same

    BE TERRIFIED of tewwa!

    Kind of funny that the papers nickname is the daily terror 😉

  18. December 15, 2014 8:07 pm

  19. December 15, 2014 8:19 pm

    That’s right! It’s just one (armed) guy in a coffee shop.

    I’m sure the hostages are comforted by that.

  20. December 15, 2014 8:21 pm

    Well it’s not quite 3500 people is it ….?

  21. egg permalink
    December 15, 2014 8:24 pm

    For quite some time in the heat of the moment I thought it was a one armed man and thought how hard could it be to over power him.

  22. December 15, 2014 8:24 pm

  23. December 15, 2014 8:33 pm

    “Well it’s not quite 3500 people is it ….?”

    That is true, it’s not 9/11.

    But I was struck by the look of terror on that young woman’s face as she was forced to press against the window. She’ll never be the same.

  24. December 15, 2014 8:35 pm

  25. December 15, 2014 10:01 pm

    How they gonna pin this on Tim Anderson?

  26. December 15, 2014 10:15 pm

    #I’llridewiththehostages

  27. December 15, 2014 10:20 pm

    I can’t believe the twitter “victims” in this are Muslims in religous garb facing potential “racism” on their way to work tomorrow.

    The victims are the hostages and their families!

    #getsomeperspective

    .

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2014 10:29 pm

    Nutcases-
    • Misfits that find comfort in violence
    • Think they’ll get a few dozen virgins out of this kind of stuff
    • Make their wives and daughters cover head to foot
    • Former drug dealers, bikies and bouncers at strip clubs
    • Now make their living out of welfare and/or workers comp

  29. December 15, 2014 10:38 pm

    #freethehostagesfirst

    #ridewithyoulater

  30. December 15, 2014 10:39 pm

    #ridewithlindtcafevictims

  31. December 15, 2014 10:41 pm

    #ridewithyoumakesmesick

  32. December 15, 2014 11:16 pm

    This girl is out. The other hostages endure unspeakable horror.

  33. December 15, 2014 11:18 pm

    Meanwhile, the twitterati want to imagine victims, travelling to work. Tomorrow!

    #morons

  34. December 16, 2014 12:14 am

    #hashtagsforthemoronic

    #lyncheveryonecalledtony
    #tonysaretoblame
    #blindslidewithtony

    #perspectiveishardwithyourheadupyourass
    #islamicbacklashfromanarmyofcluelesstonys

  35. December 16, 2014 12:19 am

    The latest in shit Sydney Siege selfies

  36. December 16, 2014 12:21 am

    lt is merely a double coincidence that Teabags engaging in dog-club-racially charged free-hate-speech and cronulla riot and sydney seige. Both of which, would not register on the global soccer-riot scale. The Teabags were doing much better throwing babies overboard.

  37. December 16, 2014 12:31 am

    #HashtagBattleAboveVeryFunny
    #WellDoneTinfoilosyAndRicky
    #FreeGlobalAdvertisingForLindtChocolate

  38. December 16, 2014 12:31 am

    Awesome

  39. Meta permalink
    December 16, 2014 1:03 am

    (I think it’s the novelty, Ricky. Sieges and hostage-taking in the ‘burbs are regular enough occurrences, several in the past few weeks; but a CBD siege tends to happen only once or twice a year; which probably explains the keen (commercial) media interest, and possibly the confliction surrounding meaning-giving to #itsafreecountry. Still, as is said, “[w]e have a lot more questions than answers and we must be patient and allow hard facts to emerge before we jump to any conclusions”; particulalrly as some of the (un)available (in)direct information reportedly is being actively suppressed for tactical-operational and/or public safety reasons.)

  40. Meta permalink
    December 16, 2014 6:38 am

    (Another peaceful ending, like every other of its ilk, lately: Sydney siege: Two hostages and gunman dead after heavily armed police storm Lindt cafe in Martin Place. Nevertheless, it’s undoubtedly a public good that the modern face of Islamic “tewwawism”, and the threat which it posed, has been eradicated by the boys in black in the blackout.)

  41. egg permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:14 am

    Grauniad (sic) reader hated Tony Abbott

    ‘The man behind Sydney’s siege expressed outrage about Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s “Team Australia” comments in a series of online tirades.’

    SMH

  42. egg permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:22 am

    ‘Half the reason we’ve got this problem today is because of left wing bigots… These people may be murdered because of your left wing bigotry… It’s finally happened!’ Cerminara shouted angrily before being taken away by police.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874121/Far-right-group-leader-blames-left-wing-bigots-Sydney-hostage-crisis-terrorism-expert-says-racist-attacks-against-Australian-Muslims-likely.html#ixzz3M03YhX1G
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  43. egg permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:31 am

    ‘As soon as I saw the images of the white Islamic text on a black flag in the window of the Lindt Café on the news this morning, I knew Australian bigots would be singing with the cries of ‘I told you so!’ and I was right.

    ‘According to The Guardian’s commentary of today’s events, King Bigot, Ralph Cerminara, leader of the anti-Muslim organisation Australian Defence League, hurried down to Martin Place to rant about Muslims and was moved on by police. Charming stuff.’

    Victoria Rollison

  44. December 16, 2014 7:37 am

  45. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:57 am

    A terrible outcome to a siege by a common criminal. Let’s hope we can now put some perspective into the mourning of the families who have lost loved ones and those who survived but will be scarred for life.

    Our media will today be hanging their heads in collective shame. More a hope than a premonition.

    But well done to the police in a very tense situation. Was it the right call? We’ll never know. But they all should be commended, not just for handling the madmen, but the media mongrels ramping up their pathetic little market share at the expense of decency.

  46. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 8:00 am

    wow, hartcher with a moment of lucidity

    When I chanced to walk through Martin Place a little after 11am on Monday, I saw the police clustered closely around the Lindt Cafe. I saw the police cordon as I stood among some hundreds of onlookers.

    The police evidently had the situation in hand. The crowd was curious, but might as well have been watching a busker for all the tension in the air. Some onlookers snapped photos. Some left as others arrived. The scene was perfectly calm.

    It was only when I turned on the TV an hour or so later that I realised the magnitude of our dimwittedness. We were supposed to be terrified.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/martin-place-cafe-siege-overreaction-from-fear-is-a-measure-of-a-terrorists-success-20141215-127rih.html

  47. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 8:06 am

    Our “islamic militant” (or “death cultist” if you prefer)

    I’ll stick with madman

    There is a despicable character in Australia claiming to be a Sheikh, and engaging in disgusting behavior. He sent a letter to the parents of Private Luke Worsely in which he claimed to be an Islamic leader, “Sheikh Haron”, taunting them on the day they buried their son.

    http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the-fake-sheikh-haron

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2014 8:25 am

    He was on murder charges and had convictions for sexual assault, how the f**k was he allowed bail?

    That is the real scandal.

  49. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 8:46 am

    That is the real scandal.

    Truthness there yomm

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:00 am

    Nothing to see here. Just another mentally ill loner. Muslim cleric. Supporter of IS. Who has 14,000 likes on his Facebook page.

    Don’t worry about dead Australians. It is the poor frightened Muslims that you should feel sorry for.

    All the stupid little people concerned about tewwawism need to harden the fuck up. As do the hostages.

  51. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:02 am

    Will the daily terror take out the inaugural da’ish propaganda award this year?

    It’s anyone’s guess

  52. December 16, 2014 9:11 am

    “Just another mentally ill loner … Who has 14,000 likes on his Facebook page.”

    All from mentally ill people. Nothing to do with liking the ideology he spouted.

  53. December 16, 2014 9:20 am

    Splatter and Tom..don’t let facts get in the way of your ranting..

    Splatter… you can have the words.. “Self Proclaimed” use them before cleric

    and

    Tom You take Accessory after the fact… and replace..charges with convictions..

    Yeah pat on the back Rupee for using a frame from ABC TV to support appalling inaccurate and socially irresponsible reporting,,,

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:20 am

    “Nothing to do with liking the ideology he spouted.”

    How do you reach that conclusion?

  55. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:21 am

    Only Daily Telegraph caught the bloody outcome at 2.00 am.

    wow, this guy really is off the planet. Do we get to see it in colour too?

  56. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:22 am

    Muslim cleric?

    Got a link for that?

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:24 am

    “Self Proclaimed”

    Funnily enough his lawyer said:

    He was a cleric in Iran, he’s often referred to in Australian media as a “self styled” cleric. He was in fact a cleric, and that’s been established

    But don’t let the facts in the way of your narrative.

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:26 am

    “Got a link for that?”

    Got the facts straight now or are you just going to keep up with your apologia?

  59. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:30 am

    Every slithering idiot who spouts the “self styled” meme is showing their disdain for the facts and their unctuous desire to toe the PC line. Wipe your semen from your eyes and start looking at the facts.

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:43 am

    “All from mentally ill people.”

    Yikes! 14,000 mentally ill tewwawist supporters. I wonder what they have in common?

  61. December 16, 2014 9:55 am

    Man Haron Monis is a self-professed sheik, spiritual healer and sexual-assault suspect who sent threatening letters to slain Australian soldiers’ families. An intelligence source told NBC News he was the suspected hostage-taker at a Lindt shop.

    Monis — who is also known as Sheikh Haron — is described as a “cleric and activist” on a website in his name which also likens him to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange as a victim of political persecution.

    Splatter seeing you are in possession of all the facts, maybe you could tell us what mosque he was preaching out of?.. Is he part of any of the mainstream Islamic groupd?

    Call it specu;ative or just a wild hunch but…’m pretty sure renting an office in Wentworthville and putting an add in the local Rag proclaiming to be a |spiritual healer” proficient in Numerology, Tarot, Astrology and Black magic..
    Calling yourself part of a group (ISIL) with the wrong flog hung upside down
    Calling yourself a “Cleric” with no qualification to do so…
    Having several alias’s

    makes you about as credible as Geoffrey Edilston and Clive Palmer calling themselves professors….

    So with all due respect go fuck yourself with that rolled up tabloid and do your research outside cut and paste faux outrage of lazy journalism you fact deficient corn hole licking imbacile

  62. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:01 am

    his lawyer said:

    ROFL

    http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the-fake-sheikh-haron

    Considering those in the Islamic community are unable to confirm if he was one, after looking into it for years, it’s a pretty bold statement from a lawyer

  63. December 16, 2014 10:04 am

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:09 am

    “Splatter seeing you are in possession of all the facts”

    I didn’t say that. My beef is with those who immediately and before all facts are in jump on board the predictable PC response to all terror attacks – “this has nothing to do with Islam” and “the real victims are the Muslims”.

    What I am criticising is the idiots who ignored facts and spouted the “self-proclaimed” meme and generally followed the PC line.

    Obviously you are more interested in jumping on the bandwagon than sifting through the facts as they emerge to reach an informed view.

  65. Meta permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:13 am

    (The deadened madman definitely seems/seemed like an attention-seeking nutter with a loose grip on reality fueled by and fueling a tragically-all-too-common-and-all-too-often-spread wacky, way-way-out-there, ideological message, by brief skim of the linked SMH piece, el g; little wonder then, I guess, that everyone and anyone of any official importance is running ‘Our Values’ up the half-pole, today, as a strong counteragent to the pernicious, politically-motivated, battle-for-hearts-and-minds-corrupting brush(ed)-with-terrorism propaganda.)

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:16 am

    Durham is over-simplfying. There are a number of matters she seems ignorant of. First, the dead dog was a refugee from Iran – perhaps he is not mainstream shia in his views. Also Iran often helps sunni groups. After 9/11 it sheltered al Qaeda operatives and it gives military support to sunni terrorist group Hamas. And then there is the fact that the dead dog called for an ISIS flag. seems a littel more complicated than Durham’s simplistic sloganeering.

  67. December 16, 2014 10:18 am

    Well if his Lawyer said it it must be true then.. because we all know layers to be pillars of truth

    Tony Abbott (couldn’t even pass the low bar)
    Kevin Andrews,
    Bronwyn Bishop,
    Julie Bishop
    Eric Abetz,
    George Brandis,
    David Bushby,
    Michaelia Cash,
    Mathias Cormann,

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:19 am

    A Muslim community leader said:

    “I must have called 50 people trying to find an IS flag. I found plenty of people who had one, but they didn’t want to give them up.

  69. December 16, 2014 10:20 am

    Sorry I left out The two best..
    Hockey and Turnbull.. just to give weight to your substantive argument of prudent fact… 🙄

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:22 am

    If his lawyer said it it would, at the very least, give me pause before joining the wankfest.

  71. December 16, 2014 10:26 am

    seems a littel more complicated than Durham’s simplistic sloganeering.

    Oh the gargantuan ironic hypocrisy which prevails in the blogashere, The carbon footprint will sink us all… 🙄
    Splatter stop it you’re breaking the internet.

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:30 am

    Surely, Bed Pann, even you can see that all I am looking for is calm measured commentary (and a chance to dump on PC idiots).

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:48 am

    Yeah!

    He was only a self-proclaimed religious cleric who had followers, who displayed all the symbols of radical Islam, who had a history of religious fanaticism, his own lawyer said he was motivated by his religious or philosophical beliefs… but this has nothing to do with a poisonous religious ideology.

  74. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 10:56 am

    He’s obviously a muslim, in the same way Breivik was a Christian

    A mad nutter.

    He’s not daesh, but our valiant media still had them as the perpetrators

    And murdor is gloating about it. What a tool

  75. December 16, 2014 10:57 am

    Its simple the Guy was a fruitloop.. 50 virgins?.. he got what he deserved a bullet and a pine box… He is of no use to humanity as he failed as a human being. Fuck him he should never have come to our country with his heinous bullshit.

    Lots of speculation but the fact is he was a nut. No sympathy here whatsoever.
    I’m not PC, just interested in facts nothin else.

    He should have been shot the second he wanted to speak to Ray Hadley FFS….

    Any fucktard that makes political mileage outa this any side of the divide should be duly rogered by Bronwyns strap on (its the worst thing I could think of)

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 11:44 am

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2014 11:45 am

    All the stupid little people concerned about tewwawism need to harden the fuck up. As do the hostages.

    I’m getting the impression you’re trying to make a point … but I’m fkd if I know what it is … or just being a dick … or fighting the crusades again?

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2014 11:48 am

    … but this has nothing to do with a poisonous religious ideology.

    Mmm … et tu, Thomae …. interesting …

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2014 12:32 pm

    “I’m getting the impression you’re trying to make a point … but I’m fkd if I know what it is”

    Just having a go at the jeer squad.

  80. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 12:33 pm

    This is how you make a point

    On a train, one passenger reportedly spotted a Muslim woman removing her hijab, ostensibly out of fear of being targeted. The passenger told her to put it back on and offered to walk with her in solidarity. And so began #IllRideWithYou. The hashtag went viral and is currently still trending worldwide, hours after the end of the hostage crisis.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/12/illridewithyou-hashtag-sydney-siege-anti-islam-australia/383765/

  81. December 16, 2014 12:34 pm

    Thanks Tom R thats my point.. he is as fake as the Minister for Womans affairs..

    Meanwhile over at Loony tunesville the American fucktards are having a wildfire day getting political mileage out of it….

    http://www.infowars.com/despite-sydneys-gun-control-gunman-holds-hostages-for-16-hours/#comment-1743919415

    Fucking Video?????

    http://www.infowars.com/media-buries-islamist-motivation-behind-sydney-siege/

    http://www.infowars.com/two-reportedly-dead-including-gunman-as-police-open-fire-and-storm-sydney-cafe/

  82. December 16, 2014 2:34 pm

    I don’t think events of the last 24hrs vindicate tewwa alarmists at all.

  83. December 16, 2014 5:45 pm

    Who gives a flying fcuk what hadley thinks (or-jones,blot,etc),

    We ALL know it was joolya`s FAULT, and this would NEVER have happened if the teabags were in charge!!!!!

  84. December 16, 2014 5:46 pm

    EVER !!! !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2014 5:51 pm

    You can’t blame the nutcase firing the missile holding the gun for the death of the innocent passengers café patrons.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2014 5:51 pm

    You can’t blame the people firing the missile holding the gun for the death of the innocent passengers café patrons.

  87. December 16, 2014 6:09 pm

    ”””Our “islamic militant” (or “death cultist” if you prefer)
    I’ll stick with madman”””

    yes, l noticed the language too, the national zombie couldn`t help himself and shove `death-cult` and `terrorist` into his press-pack address, which teabag-media didn`t challenge him on, even tho earlier, teabag-media `had` reported he was not in any group, had been tortured in iran, and was mentally ill/unstable, and the situation `was` looking by available sources, that it was `criminal` not `terror`

    no wonder nsw-plod won`t say anything until investigation confirms it, and who can blame`em

  88. December 16, 2014 6:28 pm

    “”l noticed the language too, the national zombie couldn`t help himself and shove `death-cult` and `terrorist` into his press-pack address,””

    I too, cringed when I heard this, but took some heart in the fact that this tact hasn’t worked until now and in fact the Aus public see through it for what it is…

    The reality is that this is all Tones has got…

    Their record on running the economy is shot.

    And we’ve heard this all before about tewwowism…

    Abbott is finished, and no amount of teary-eyed feigned patriotism and pledges to “keep Australia safe” will save this odious creep.

  89. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 6:30 pm

    yes, l noticed the language too,

    It was depressing seeing it on tele when I got home from work. They spent minutes at a time showing montages of the non-isil flag from a dozen different perspective, with foreboding music accompanying it, and a huge banner under with the words “Sydney Siege”. Later in hte evening, when the tele went back on, the same image montage was being played, with the same music, but now the banner read “Sydney Terror Siege”

    It was like they’d convinced even themselves that daesh had come to town.

  90. December 16, 2014 6:41 pm

    When I saw the images of ppl leaving flowers at Martin Place I couldn’t help but thinking wouldn’t a better use of their money been spent on a fund for the dependents of the two ppl who died?

    They look like young adults and probably have dependents.

    There’s about fifty grand’s worth of flowers (if not more) sitting there that’ll just be chucked out in a couple of days..

  91. December 16, 2014 6:47 pm

    ”””the fact that this tact hasn’t worked until now and in fact the Aus public see through it for what it is…

    The reality is that this is all Tones has got”””#agree

    #what shits me l suppose is, france24, pbs, and `other` all replayed the zombie to `their` countries, complete with `tewwa` and `death-cult`, letting the zombie become their nations fact-less `truth` #fcuk-teabag-media #they-must-think-we-are-fcukwits

  92. December 16, 2014 6:50 pm

    The more information released about the aggressor, the more a picture of an isolated, unrepresentative fringe nutcase emerges.

    One man ‘nothing-to-lose’ perpetually aggrieved zealots are gonna be practically impossible to prevent.

    And if we had a society riddled with firearms, there’d be more of them.

    If he wasn’t Muslim, someone would probably be blaming GTA5 or something equally ludicrous by now.

  93. December 16, 2014 6:52 pm

    ””now the banner read “Sydney Terror Siege””

    # what drongo network was shoveling that.? mine.?

  94. December 16, 2014 6:57 pm

    ””’no amount of teary-eyed feigned patriotism and pledges to “keep Australia safe” will save this odious creep.”””

    # l truly hope ya`correct reb, but l`m continually concerned blib shortmen and his caucus of merry half-wits will aid and abet mr-rabbits grip on power

  95. December 16, 2014 6:58 pm

    I know what you mean about the flowers, reb. Neither the victims nor their families can benefit in any material way from such tributes. Perhaps the families can take some solace in the fact that the community seems sympathetic.

    On the other hand, I can’t help thinking this is just as much about the feelings of the donor, perhaps relieving some innate feeling of guilt. For some, it’s probably nothing more than a public display of virtue.

    A bit like #illridewithyou.

    /amateurpsychology

  96. December 16, 2014 7:00 pm

    I’d say you’re /amateurpsychology is well founded.

    One wonders what would have gotten all the coverage if a prominent sportsman had been killed in play, concurrently.

  97. December 16, 2014 7:01 pm

    He wasn’t a #lonewolf. He was a #knownwolf.

  98. December 16, 2014 7:07 pm

    He was a #knownwolf, ok, semantics granted.

    And all of our wonderful new laws & all of our panic couldn’t prevent it.

    Better put cameras in everyones’ homes just to be safe then.

    And he was ‘lone’, as near as I can tell. He wasn’t even loosely affiliated with IS, just trading off their brand because he heard their dogwhistle I’d suggest.

  99. December 16, 2014 7:10 pm

    I don’t think we need any new laws, just a more judicious application of the existing ones. What the fuck was he doing on bail?

  100. December 16, 2014 7:12 pm

    ””I know what you mean about the flowers, reb.””
    ”’/amateurpsychology”’

    # well said Tinfoil`osy, fully agree
    _____________________________

    ””’The more information released about the aggressor,””’#agree

    ””’grand theft auto””#giggle
    #yeah, l saw some report on it a while back, ok for adults, not sure you would want your `little-kids` having it

    ””’And if we had a society riddled with firearms,””’
    # last l heard, there are now more than two guns in the community, to replace the guns john-w got `removed` from the public #justsayin

  101. egg permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:12 pm

    No flowers for the perpetrator, apparently he’s been kept busy with 72 virgins.

  102. December 16, 2014 7:14 pm

    “”For some, it’s probably nothing more than a public display of virtue.””

    Or maybe they feel genuinely affected and this is the one way they can how to express how they feel?

    Even Talcum turned on the waterworks, and I don;t think he was faking for the cameras.

    Sometimes ppl are genuinely affected by things like this. Regardless of our cynicism…

  103. December 16, 2014 7:16 pm

    “”A bit like #illridewithyou.””

    Noted. In my defence I’d been drinking at the time and besides, how many Muslins am I going to encounter catching the tram from Docklands to Bourke St…??

  104. December 16, 2014 7:16 pm

    “Or maybe they feel genuinely affected and this is the one way they can how to express how they feel?”

    That’s another possibility. It could be a mixture of all of the above.

    Hell, what do I know?

  105. December 16, 2014 7:17 pm

    “Noted. In my defence I’d been drinking at the time and besides, how many Muslins am I going to encounter catching the tram from Docklands to Bourke St…??”

    Heehee.

  106. December 16, 2014 7:19 pm

    You know who this ratbag reminds me of – the Australian guy who murdered his on son at the cricket match recently.

    He’s about the same age and has the same sense of self importance and indignant outrage about him..

  107. December 16, 2014 7:24 pm

    #lonewolf verses #knownwolf

    Nah, l don`t think he was any type of `wolf`, he was definitely `known` by nsw-plod and teabag-media as an attention-seeker, and `harmless-crank` with criminal behavior, and they got the `harmless` part a little bit wrong.

  108. December 16, 2014 7:24 pm

    “the Australian guy who murdered his on son at the cricket match recently”

    Yeah, he had a fucked-up personal life. But did he follow an implacable ideology?

  109. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:30 pm

    just trading off their brand because he heard their dogwhistle I’d suggest.

    mission accomplished?

  110. December 16, 2014 7:30 pm

    Dunno.. But the personalities look similar (just going by what we see on the televisions)..

  111. December 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    Back to the flowers thing. Upon further reflection, some people attended a church service, held in memory of the victims. They were probably trying to come to terms with what had happened, just like the flower donors.

    #whoamitojudge

  112. December 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    “I don’t think we need any new laws, just a more judicious application of the existing ones. What the fuck was he doing on bail?”

    Absolutely…if by that you mean ‘no new laws since prior to the recent ramming through of anti-tewwa legislation which encompasses overreach by government (aided by a forward thinking, opportunist [and in this case supplicant] Opposition) never seen here before, with unseen implications & nary a fuck given for individual privacy of non-wrongdoers(which would be nearly all of the population, surely?) ?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    The muslim version of “hell” must be a really busy place right now …

    Muslims believe in jahannam (in Arabic: جهنم) (which is related to the Hebrew word gehinnom and resembles the versions of Hell in Christianity). In the Qur’an, the holy book of Islam, there are literal descriptions of the condemned in a fiery Hell, as contrasted to the garden-like Paradise (jannah) enjoyed by righteous believers.

    In addition, Heaven and Hell are split into many different levels depending on the actions perpetrated in life, where punishment is given depending on the level of evil done in life, and good is separated into other levels depending on how well one followed God while alive. The gate of Hell is guarded by Maalik who is the leader of the angels assigned as the guards of hell also known as Zabaaniyah.

    Although generally Hell is often portrayed as a hot steaming and tormenting place for sinners, there is one Hell pit which is characterized differently from the other Hell in Islamic tradition. Zamhareer is the Hell of extreme coldness, of unbearable blizzards, ice, and snow.

  114. December 16, 2014 7:37 pm

    Generally speaking, I favour fewer laws, not more. Smaller government, not bigger government. More freedoms, not greater restrictions.

    Can I be any clearer?

  115. December 16, 2014 7:39 pm

    “mission accomplished?’

    Yes.

    Not only did they get him to promulgate their brand…this year, they’ve got our government to take the opportunity tewwo has [again] gifted them to pass all kinds of nasty, liberty curtailing shit which they’d never have had the balls to try on otherwise. Fear IS the mindkiller.

  116. December 16, 2014 7:41 pm

    “Can I be any clearer?”

    You don’t need to be for my sake. I’m just riffing off of your perfectly reasonable observations for my own justifications.

  117. December 16, 2014 7:43 pm

    And yes, he seems an unlikely candidate for bail…but, whomever put him on it probably thought that they were (admirably) following due process?

    That’s what (supposedly) separates ‘us’ from Middle Eastern warzones?

  118. December 16, 2014 7:45 pm

    And just to be clear myself, I have less to no tolerance for conservative theocratic murderers than most every other thing.

    I’d have hardly thought I exhibit traits of an apologist for (any) religion (least of all, when it’s demonstrably at its worst).

  119. December 16, 2014 7:47 pm

    “but, whomever put him on it probably thought that they were (admirably) following due process?”

    Perhaps, but bail is not granted by a judge and jury. It’s granted by an individual with their own biases and prejudices.

  120. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 7:47 pm

    Not only did they get him to promulgate their brand

    Like I said earlier, murdor is daesh’s most reliable salesman

    liberty curtailing shit

    which ironically enough didn’t help them here, and wouldn’t have, as this guys lunacy has been in the public domain for years apparently.

    You don’t need to go sniffing metadata to see his insanity, it was on his friggin facebook page

  121. December 16, 2014 7:54 pm

    “which ironically enough didn’t help them here, and wouldn’t have, as this guys lunacy has been in the public domain for years apparently.

    You don’t need to go sniffing metadata to see his insanity, it was on his friggin facebook page”

    Precisely.

    The new laws, imho, are less about tewwo & more about stomping on whistleblowing, potentially silencing dissent & potentially having an invisible finger upon the online pulse (notably…without requisite oversight).

  122. December 16, 2014 7:55 pm

    Ex-DPP on 7:30, “judicial officers made judgements”.

  123. December 16, 2014 7:55 pm

    “Perhaps, but bail is not granted by a judge and jury. It’s granted by an individual with their own biases and prejudices.”

    Judges & juries come with those too.

    Still far preferable to summary executions, witch hunts & public lynchings.

  124. December 16, 2014 8:00 pm

    “Judges & juries come with those too.”

    I’d rather be subject to the judgement of a dozen of my “peers”, than a potentially activist, politically-appointed “judicial officer”.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP9697/97rp11#HISTORY

  125. December 16, 2014 8:07 pm

    from tonights reportland, it seems crank was desperately trying to attach himself to isis with fakebook video`s and obtain a following, it is also interesting his (what-seems) only demand was a few minutes phone time with mr-rabbit

  126. December 16, 2014 8:08 pm

    “I’d rather be subject to the judgement of a dozen of my “peers”, than a potentially activist, politically-appointed “judicial officer”.”

    As would I.

    I imagine there’ll be a bit more erring on the side of caution henceforth, for the short term at least.

  127. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2014 8:10 pm

    But the super duper tewwa laws aren’t about judges and their biases or not.

    It’s our super dooper enhancd spies who have shown they cannot spy on a guy with a very public profile.

    And we have now given them posers to super snooper anywhere, anytime, without our knowledge

    keystone spies dropping spy bots on your computer. What could go wrong?

  128. December 16, 2014 8:11 pm

    Abbott may be many things, but stoopid enough to give that guy succour & fall into such a public relations trap by ‘live’ talking to him on the phone, he isn’t.

    Such a gratification would have every crank with a bridge to burn taking hostages for an audience with the contemporary hood ornament.

  129. December 16, 2014 8:13 pm

    “keystone spies dropping spy bots on your computer. What could go wrong?”

    I assume they’ve probably already been doing it for years…but now they’ve got ‘immunity’ when they get caught, and the insider who blows the whistle on them will get legally obliterated instead.

  130. December 16, 2014 8:14 pm

    “Such a gratification would have every crank with a bridge to burn taking hostages for an audience with the contemporary hood ornament.”

    Even Teh Shock Jocks knew giving him oxygen was not on.

  131. December 16, 2014 8:21 pm

    Social media/Big Media(which feeds on such things for clickbait & viewer sustenance) is an immaculate platform (if granted) for being the (temporary) centre of global notoriety…and the world was watching.

    IS et al milk that shit for all it’s worth. Massive recruiting tool leveraged on the disenfranchised & aggrieved(legitimately or otherwise).

  132. December 16, 2014 8:32 pm

    A cursory glance at Bolt’s snailtrack, reveals predictable lines of monocular, narrative adhering analysis & fingerpointing.

    Amongst all of this, suddenly the focus is (from his probable p.o.v.) not plumbing the depths of despair & his team eating their own, as it has become increasingly escalatory in recent times.

    No doubt, this recent horror will play out for a long time, and given it didn’t happen in the Ukraine or over the Southern Ocean but was here , that’s to be expected & appreciated.
    But, it isn’t unlimited political mileage.

    I imagine he’ll return to his adopted laborlaborlabor mantra not long into the New Year, when he gets back from his annual holiday in Europe (or wherever a battler like him goes this year…he likes opera, you know) because, well, he simply must .
    the shitsandwich from last week hasn’t gotten any tastier.

  133. December 16, 2014 8:43 pm

  134. December 16, 2014 8:46 pm

    All Tony’s tewwa meta data and warin… oh we forgot….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/sydney-siege-gunman-was-not-on-security-watchlist-abbott-says/5971340

  135. egg permalink
    December 16, 2014 9:15 pm

    ‘Zamhareer is the Hell of extreme coldness, of unbearable blizzards, ice, and snow. ‘

    I didn’t know that.

  136. December 16, 2014 9:26 pm

    Is albatraoz Slovakian for he-she?

    * just askin

    haha

    #soundhasenormity

  137. December 16, 2014 9:57 pm

    “I didn’t know that.”

    Me neither.

    I gave up reading holy Books when I wasn’t obliged to anymore (A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…).

    I read The (Good News Bible…not Orwellian at all!…) book which was part of that ‘stream’…nonsense aside, they don’t diverge from eachother nearly enough to make themselves meaningfully differentiable, at core…)

    The bits I haven’t read yet are interesting sometimes, in the same way that I never read Tolkein, but I can enjoy a bit o Peter Jacksonising…but then, I been watching his since Bad Taste…

  138. December 16, 2014 10:15 pm

    “All Tony’s tewwa meta data and warin… oh we forgot….”

    Maybe we’re now guaranteed that they’ll be clandestinely (our government, not just FB) up in our vomitbook profiles?
    It was always bound to happen, but fear gave them the key & they’ve always wanted to set that door ajar.

    I think IvIeta warned of the potential future implications of wikileakian overstepping of the ‘whatthepublicdeservestoknow’ mark, years back- based upon said contributor’s clinical prescience.

  139. egg permalink
    December 17, 2014 6:38 am

    Christ all funckin’ bloody mighty.

  140. egg permalink
    December 17, 2014 6:45 am

    ‘Monis apparently converted to Sunni Islam only recently, perhaps because you can’t really claim to love IS when you’re a Shiite and they’re trying to exterminate you.’

    Waleed Aly / SMH

  141. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 7:42 am

    I been watching his since Bad Taste…

    And who can forget the Feebles 😉

    Speaking of which, Where’s Wally?

  142. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 8:04 am

    You would hope the execs at the tele companies would take note of this. Of course, I’m sure their ratings would have skyrocketed during this, so no hope of that happening.

    And all that was needed was a news flash. Even a two minute update every hour would have exhausted the news content of this slow moving story. Admittedly this would have given Monis some of the exposure he craved, but much less than he actually received. It might also have taken the heat out of the worst of the social media reaction, which at times seemed like a megaphone specifically designed for morons.

    The rolling coverage made it all worse. If Monis had actually been a trained jihadi, and not just a murderous arse clown with mental health issues and a gun, the media coverage could easily have contributed to the death of more hostages as part of an ISIS media plan. Some protocols to avoid this in future events – because they will happen – would be prudent. But unlikely.

    On the upside, the authorities, all of them, federal, state and city, elected and public service, all seemed to carry out their duties with exemplary care and competence. Their performance and the better angels of our nature evident in the hashtag #Illridewithyou are the only positives to take away from this.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/media-coverage-of-sydney-siege-shameful-20141216-127wa6.html

  143. December 17, 2014 8:49 am

    Some f**kwit “expert” on RN just now refers to the hostage-killer as “this gentleman”.

    GMAFB!

  144. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 8:55 am

    Waleed Aly hitting the core.

    Islam has such permeable borders, such an absence of hierarchy, that anyone can become anything in their own mind. Its symbols are available to anyone who wants to claim them and there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Australian Muslims had been disowning Monis for at least seven years. They’d even expressed their concerns to the authorities. But how can you stop the “fake sheikh” being real to himself?

    There’s no control order regime to account for this. There’s no metadata inside an apparently deranged mind. We’re busy fretting about the terrorists’ tools of the future – which is all fair enough – while they wreak havoc with the tools of the past.

    …..

    But there’s another history to be written here. One that is very much in control. It’s a history written not just in the statements of leaders, but in the minutiae of our everyday interactions. It’s the history we glimpsed as the siege unfolded when a single, humble Australian decided to declare #illridewithyou in solidarity with Muslims too scared to ride public transport. It’s a history that commenced with the interfaith vigil held at the Lakemba and Auburn mosques. And it’s a history to be determined by what we decide this tragedy symbolises: the sordid ideology of a man who deserves to be forgotten or the greatest virtues of those of us left behind.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/sydney-gunman-man-haron-monis-a-real-sheikh-only-to-himself-20141216-128h9x.html

  145. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 9:00 am

    Some f**kwit “expert”

    We’ll be hearing a lot more from them, with their perfect 20-20 hindsight

    Like this moron

    Fox News contributor, said: “These people are hell bent to kill innocent people … In a free society there is nothing you can do about it. You can’t prevent all these things from happening, which is why most Americans, when they see this stuff play out … they think about guns and it is why they think about personal gun ownership and being able to protect yourself, protect your family and protect your neighbours.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/sydney-siege-charles-hurt-tells-fox-news-australias-tough-gun-laws-to-blame-for-preventing-selfdefence-20141215-127uxj.html

    Which he spouted around the same time this was being reported.

    An Iraq war veteran is suspected of killing six family members, including his 14-year-old niece, in a series of shootings near the north-eastern US city of Philadelphia, authorities say.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/philadelphia-shootings-gunman-kills-six/5969666

    I wonder if anyone asked this foxknews dick just how many mass shooting have been stopped by armed vigilantes in the states? I don’t recall too many offhand. But I do recall a lot of mass shootings.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2014 9:41 am

    “But there’s another history to be written here.”

    For once I agree with Walid Ali. While the political hacks used this event to spin their narrative – blaming Murdoch, pretending that this was not a terrorist attack or that it had nothing to do with Islam or that is all the fault of males – ordinary Australians showed their basic decency.

    Two hostages sacrificed themselves for the others, thousands placed flowers in Martin Place, there was an outpouring of grief from all sections of society and there was #illridewithou which became for a while the most popular twitter trend globally. These things are an affirmation that ordinary Australians are more interested in basic humanity than political point-scoring. They were not cowed by religious terrorism in their midst nor did they give in to petty tribalism. This is the best response to the terrorists.

  147. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 9:55 am

    These things are an affirmation that ordinary Australians are more interested in basic humanity than political point-scoring.

    I AGREE!

  148. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2014 10:09 am

    whew, for a while there wally, I thought the Sydney Association of Cardigan Owners were having their annual xmas countdown.

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