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Media Buddies Deliver Scathing Assessment of PM’s Performance

December 18, 2014

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Tony “no friends” Abbott has suffered another body blow with traditional media ally Ray Hadley delivering an unflattering assessment of the Prime Minister’s recent performance.

D FOR DUNCE

The controversial shock jock lashed out at the PM on breakfast radio over his handling of the Sydney siege and subsequent decision to proceed with the mid-year budget update at the height of the critical incident.

“I thought until about a month ago, you were going B-plus, I think you’re now a D-minus,” Mr Hadley told Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott said that he tried to avoid scoring himself.

“If I score myself high, people think I’m full of myself.  If I score myself low, people think I’m lacking in self-confidence.”

He later added that it had been a “ragged conclusion” to the year for his government.

Mr Abbott conceded not everyone had agreed with the government’s mid-year budget announcement.

“I carefully considered it and I made the call that the ordinary business of government should go on,” he said.

“Some people thought it was a good call. Obviously some people didn’t and you’re in that latter group.”

The Prime Minister said that people should focus on the glass “at least half full,” noting his government had abolished the carbon tax and concluded important free trade deals in 2014.

“I think it has been a year of achievement for our country.”

The salvo comes in the wake of other Liberal Party loyalists Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones also delivering an abysmal appraisal of Abbott’s tenure in the top job.

Last month Bolt condemned the Coalition government saying it was making “the same blunders that killed Julia Gillard”.

Alan Jones also attacked Abbott on air, insisting that the so-called free trade agreement with China was “failing the pub test”.

Even the Murdoch mouthpiece “The Australian” has issued its own harsh evaluation with Janet Albrechtson slamming the government for playing “condescending word games”.

The Coalition ends the year badly behind in the polls, with the most recent Fairfax Ipsos poll putting Labor in front on a two-party-preferred basis, 52 to 48 per cent.

 

 

 

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228 Comments leave one →
  1. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 18, 2014 12:06 pm

    Why do Treasury people still have a job. They are paid megabucks and continue to get everything wrong.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/treasury-experts-290bn-wide-of-the-mark-on-budget-forecasts/story-fn59nsif-1227160001888?nk=1103139fece1d30bcf67b918c8033119

    TREASURY’S poor budget forecasting has resulted in a total of $290 billion in downgrades to its four-year budget estimates since 2010, with each of the 10 budgets and updates since then showing that the economy was generating less revenue and bringing higher costs than Treasury had previously expected.

    Treasury’s four-year forecast downgrades since 2010 have now reached 70 per cent of a full year’s budget spending, which is just over $400bn.”

    And i found this interesting.

    However, the massive falls in iron ore, coal and other commodity prices in the past few months mean that the terms of trade will drop to almost 2005-06 levels next year, according to this week’s budget update.”

    So our terms of trade were at record levels during the Rudd/Gillard years and are now back to what they were under Howard/Costello.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2014 2:19 pm

    They also delivered scathing assessments of Gillard and Rudd, were they right then too?

  3. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2014 2:41 pm

    More like they ran out of lipstick

  4. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2014 2:44 pm

    Mr Abbott said that he tried to avoid scoring himself.

    “If I score myself high, people think I’m full of myself. If I score myself low, people think I’m lacking in self-confidence.”

    He gave front bench all “A”s. Does that mean that he’s full of themselves?

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2014 2:47 pm

    Tom R – I thought you’d chime in with an observation about Hadley being biased in his criticism of Gillard and Rudd, but now he’s thinking is sound and unbiased!

  6. December 18, 2014 2:49 pm

    Well done Sqweal 1st post off topic and quoting the Australian who discount the small fact that the fiberals were trying to socially engineer the buget efficiencies..

    They also delivered scathing assessments of Gillard and Rudd, were they right then too?

    Yes Gillard is not a witch and her father did not die of shame…

    Obviously Reb.. Singo is changing tact and Rupert has already pocketed the 820 mill tax bill so Abbotts free ride is over… now they will just profit of reporting on his stupidity.. they dont even have to resort to fiction… just turn up

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2014 3:01 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/public-service/ato-public-servants-enticed-with-scratch-cards-to-show-up-to-work-20141217-1281hg.html

    Managers at the Australian Taxation Office trying to use scratchies to fight sickies among their public servants this Christmas have hit a snag.
    A workplace trade union has put the boot into the scheme, which rewards good attendance with a chance to win scratch cards from under the office Christmas tree, arguing the plan discriminates against tax officials who don’t show up to work.

    FMD. The tax office has to reward people for turning up!! And the union complains this is discriminatory!!!

    The public service is stuffed, and the solution is to offload more of them, retaining only those that appreciate that they have good, well paid employment. Cut into the bone, and once we need more public servants, put more effort into recruiting on the basis of a good work ethic.

  8. December 18, 2014 3:03 pm

    comedy gold!!

  9. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2014 3:24 pm

    I thought you’d chime in with an observation about Hadley being biased in his criticism of Gillard and Rudd, but now he’s thinking is sound and unbiased!

    Are you upset I didn’t

    Hadlie is a fucken loon, anyone who listens, let alone takes notice, is in danger of heading that way too.

    Watching them unravel with their poster boy is fun to watch though 🙂

    I could have told them years ago they were backing a turkey.

  10. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2014 3:25 pm

    PM Tony Abbott tells voters to stay positive and just ignore criticism of his Government.

    Shouldn’t be hard. Most who voted for him are capable of ignoring facts, they’ve proven that for sure.

  11. December 18, 2014 11:34 pm

  12. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:14 am

    lol Ricky 🙂

  13. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:16 am

    The Kouk with sobering numbers

    What a bunch of fucken incompetents. And all the time, kicking the poor, and feedin the rich

    Those of you with a sharp mind can see that if Mr Abbott had not starting spending like a proverbial drunken sailor and held government spending at Labor’s post-GFC level at 24.1 per cent, there would be budget surpluses from 2016-17 (as Labor has budgetted for under PEFO), with a budget surplus at around $13 billion in 2017-18. The fact is that for this and every year of the Abbott government’s forward estimates, government spending as a share of GDP is 25.2 per cent or more.

    Just the simple facts.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/the-abbott-government-s-crazy-spending-spree.html

    So maybe not incompetent, just fucken assholes?

  14. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:18 am

    Julie Bishop a leader of style and substance

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/julie-bishop-a-leader-of-style-and-substance/story-fni0cvc9-1227159937955

    julie bishop. A fucken Hypocrite

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:38 am

    “there would be budget surpluses from 2016-17 (as Labor has budgetted for under PEFO)

    Stephen Koukoulas is a false prophet.

    How many times did Labor promise a surplus budget? Well many times but it never happened.

    We are on track for surplus in 2012‑13, on time, as promised — and this provides the solid foundations for the targeted investments we announce tonight.

    Wayne Swan May 2011

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies

    Wayne Swan May 2012

  16. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:41 am

    Good to see Albanese putting this to the flame.

    It is almost criminal the way the yabot grubmint tried to threaten the Vics into pushing ahead with this monstrous bulls up

    “The Napthine Government chose not to tell Infrastructure Australia about the facts. And Tony Abbott chose not to ask. He funded the project anyway. No checks. No rigour.”

    In the letter to the office, Mr Albanese asks the Auditor-General to look at “the actions of the Commonwealth Government in making an advance payment to the Victorian Government of $1 billion for East West Link Stage 2 on or about June 30, 2014 and at a time when the Commonwealth was claiming a “Budget emergency”.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/federal-auditor-called-on-to-look-at-east-west-20141218-12a15z.html

    How many times did Labor promise a surplus budget?

    About half as many times as hockey did. 😉

  17. December 19, 2014 8:42 am

  18. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 8:58 am

    What’s the bet he’s hung over again 😉

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2014 9:12 am

    Beats me why anybody would post or believe anything Stephen Koukoulas says.

    The man is a false prophet and is easily the most dishonest person i have come across.

    I guess corrupt and dishonest people are attracted to corrupt and dishonest people.

  20. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 9:16 am

    The missing element in this week’s mid-year economic and fiscal outlook, and more broadly, in current government policy, stares Australians in the face. Revenue needs to be increased. Increasing taxes, reducing tax concessions and eliminating loopholes are all options, which I and other commentators have argued for.

    https://theconversation.com/without-revenue-australia-can-only-have-half-a-budget-debate-35537

  21. December 19, 2014 9:24 am

    Stephen Koukoulas is a false prophet.

    Sqweal keeps saying this because the Kouk is always on the money, accurate and credible. This infuriates economic illiterates like Squeal because he articulately dismantles the Hokey, Habbitt Conman lie who are the real false prophets by way of their figures and incompetent actions….

    They brainwash cheese brained imbeciles like Nil with the only line they have…Deficit Surplus whilst handy out the gravy to their donor mates in dodgy companies set up to fund their campaigns… Privatise everything and let the market that their mates own decide is the answer to everything, The greatest economic untruth “free market economy”

    This government is fiscally reckless and economically incompetent we paid 300mill in unnecessary interest on Hokeys borrowings whist allowing the Robber Barons to pillage the economy. This is as they smash the working and middle class to pay more, consume more of their mates shit and work for less

    The Fiberal way..
    No social contract unless its an outsourced backhander to a lobbying donor
    Corporate welfare = productivity
    Social welfare = bludgers

  22. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 9:45 am

    This is the same mob who are giving tax payer moneys to large multi-nationals.

    Priorities?

    A community service sector survey shows it is in crisis as 80% of organisations say they lack the resources to meet demand, which is rising due to budget cuts

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/18/welfare-recipients-face-bleak-christmas-charities-warn-abbott-government

  23. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 9:51 am

    “”Sqweal keeps saying this because the Kouk is always on the money, accurate and credible. “”

    ROFLMAO

  24. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 10:28 am

    “”The greatest economic untruth “free market economy”””

    Really…………………?

    Would you please name one

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 10:37 am

    Beats me why anybody would post or believe anything Kneel of Sydney says.

    The man is a false prophet and is easily the most dishonest person i have come across.

    I guess corrupt and dishonest people are attracted to corrupt and dishonest people.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 10:48 am

    Would you please name one

    Free market means accepting competition rather than trying wipe to out your opposition … if companies stopped spending money on court cases and relied on pure market we’d all be better off …

    Or Foxtel setting up its own little monopoly on Game of Thrones to flog “cheaper” $25 a month pay TV (with as many adverts as free to air) …

    Markets are manipulated by monopolies, duopolies, backdoor trading, politicians … the list goes on … right now the oil market is being manipulated by the Saudis in collusion with the USA … that affects us all … the monetary value of currency is manipulated by governments … if we have global trading why don’t we have a global currency?

    We haven’t had free markets since the plague was around … and probably before that …

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 10:59 am

    wow!

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:13 am

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:24 am

    PM Tony Abbott tells voters to stay positive and just ignore criticism of his Government

    Abbott pitches his messages to the public at the level of a parent speaking to a 5 yo upset at being teased!
    the KISS method got even stupider!
    He’ll be rated an F from me for patronising contempt.

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:28 am

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:37 am

  32. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:45 am

    Just incredible !

    I know the passing of Stella Young was rather sad and everything but she was barely known outside of Victoria except for her appearances on Q & A.

    So why the fuck is ABC24 not covering the release of the Royal Commission Report but cutting to her Memorial Service instead ?

    What a joke the ABC has become

  33. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:46 am

    ROFL

    Looks like the libs might be getting themselves a science miniature

  34. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:51 am

    So why the fuck is ABC24 not covering the release of the Royal Commission Report but cutting to her Memorial Service instead ?

    Perhaps because the death of somebody who made an impact on a large part of community (perhaps just not one you are a interested in) might be deemed of more importance than any ongoing saga of what is so obviously a blatant witch hunt.

    #justsayin 😉

  35. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 11:58 am

    Radio journalist and respected scientist Alan Jones told his listeners on 2GB this morning that the Higgs Boson Particle – supposedly ‘discovered’ after almost fifty years of research – is just a cooked-up conspiracy from physics extremists.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2012/07/05/alan-jones-reassures-australia-that-the-higgs-boson-particle-doesnt-exist/

    the shovel ROFL

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:09 pm

    Wasn’t there a 4 Corners episode regarding featherstone? I can recall something in the media about him being protected by police mates.

  37. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:15 pm

    blewitts finding out how good and reliable his liberal mates* are.

    The commission’s recommendations include criminal charges be considered against Julia Gillard’s former boyfriend, Bruce Wilson, and his alleged accomplice Ralph Blewitt for corruption involving an Australian Workers Union slush fund, the AWU Workplace Reform Association.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bruce-wilson-ralph-blewitt-should-be-charged-royal-commission/story-e6frg6n6-1227161666877

    I note they cannot get any story out with bringing up Gillards name. Their sleeze will continue into eternity.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:15 pm

    He’ll be rated an F from me for patronising contempt.

    Minus from me – …. fkn any alpha scores …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re: AJ, the arrogance is astounding … intefknllectually unstable… and mindboggelingly hilarious … no wonder wankers listen to the self proclaimed centre of the world

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    CFMEU, HSU, AWU

    The LNP must be pretty disappointed … personally I think that’s good result for unions most elected management teams do a bloody good job … imagine a RC into the banks and financial services …

    Australian Council of Trade Unions
    National Tertiary Education Union
    National Union of Workers
    Community and Public Sector Union
    Australian Workers Union
    Australian Manufacturing Workers Union
    Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union
    Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union
    Maritime Union of Australia
    Australian Institute of Marine and Power Engineers
    Textile Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia
    Australian Maritime Officers Union
    Transport Workers Union of Australia
    Australian Rail Tram and Bus Industry Union
    United Voice
    Communications Electrical and Plumbing Union
    AFL Players Association
    Australian Federation of Air Pilots
    Australian and International Pilots Association
    Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation
    Australian Salaried Medical Officers’ Federation
    Civil Air Operations Officers’ Association of Australia
    Australian Services Union
    Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association
    United Firefighters Union of Australia
    Police Federation of Australia
    Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance
    Health Services Union
    Flight Attendants Association of Australia
    Finance Sector Union
    Professionals Australia

  39. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:15 pm

    “Perhaps because the death of somebody who made an impact on a large part of community ……….”

    Like I said she’s barely known outside of Victoria . ABC24 could be put to better use IF it needs to exist at all

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:17 pm

  41. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:18 pm

    AWU

    20 fucken years ago

    And theirs already been one of these royal witch hunts between

    How much did they piss up against the wall trying to pin something, anything on Thomson?

    And even now, Thomson isn’t sure what he’s been charged with (which could be a reason he hasn’t appealed)

    Meanwhile, he could run for Parliament again ROFL (but why would he?)

    Makes yabot trying to flee the chamber a fucken bigger joke than it was.

  42. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:18 pm

    “Radio journalist and respected scientist Alan Jones told his listeners on 2GB this morning that the Higgs Boson Particle…..”

    Rather than Link to satirical sites and claiming factual content why dont you actually link to proof he said that ?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:20 pm

    Clive Palmer’s media adviser Andrew Crook and former detective Mick Featherstone formally arrested

    Mr Palmer is not thought to have had any involvement in, or knowledge of the plot.

    Its just the kids he hangs out with that are the problem … chuckle …

    Go Clivey! Please!

    Noddy’s head will be shaking off! He knows how well mud sticks – even if its collateral … 😉

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-19/palmer-media-adviser-detained-over-alleged-kidnap/5978632

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:25 pm

    ” I note they cannot get any story out with bringing up Gillards name.

    Yeah!!!!

    You’d think they write a story about her Gillard’s* former boyfriend, her Gillard’s* the off the books legal work that she Gillard* did for him that allowed him to defraud union members, her Gillard’s* union client… without mentioning her Gillard*.

    (*note – apparently it is a “duplicitous sexist attack” to refer to Gillard as “her” or “she”)

  45. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:26 pm

    make the super rich pay their fair share

    We could have a tax that miners pay when they start earning super profits?

  46. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:28 pm

    “How much did they piss up against the wall trying to pin something, anything on Thomson?”

    Why do you persist with these lies about Thomson ?

    He’s been convicted of Theft you moron

  47. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    (*note – apparently it is a “duplicitous sexist attack” to refer to Gillard as “her” or “she”)

    But it is one to refer to her repeatedly as “she” instead of her title

    #justsayin

    meanwhile, Australia’s self proclaimed “heart continues to naval gaze back from the future.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    I hear other countries have a carbon tax?

  49. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    Rather than Link to satirical sites and claiming factual content why dont you actually link to proof he said that ?

    This is way more fun 🙂

  50. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:32 pm

    He’s been convicted of Theft you moron

    Of what specifically?

    As for the 13 charges Thomson was found guilty of, it is interesting to note that these charges were amended by the Judge after the hearing. This means that Thomson and his legal team were completely unable to mount a defence against these charges. Knowing what these charges were to be would more than likely have changed the entire strategy of their defence. After all it is hard to defend yourself against the unknown. The ammending of charges after a hearing is highly unusual and it is perhaps only the amendment to those charges that allowed Judge Douglas to find Thomson guilty of anything at all.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/free-to-run-no-jail-for-craig-thomson/

    Why would a judge do that? It seems quite strange, especially this was an appeal.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 12:35 pm

    The podcast called ‘serial’ has been hugely popular

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/serial/id917918570

  52. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 1:00 pm

    “Why would a judge do that? ”

    So your very last bastion of defence is that the Judge is corrupt ?

    You are an absolute Idiot

    Like I said before “Rather than Link to satirical sites and claiming factual content ” you decide to link to Wiks again.

    How’s that Fairfax settlement you continually lie about going ?

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:01 pm

    You are an absolute Idiot

    I think you mean – You’re an ABOSLUTE IDIOT!!

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:09 pm

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:10 pm

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:11 pm

    Make that eight children dead

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:12 pm

    Yep I agree.

    Gillard/Rudd did everything that TomR said a govt should re: car manufacturing. They gave them millions perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars.

    And all that happened was that locally made cars hit a record low of 10% of the market. All subsidies did was produce cars that nobody wanted to buy.

    But TomR said we should give Holden even more money.

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:18 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-19/queensland-fire-service-hostile-workplace-for-women/5978942

  59. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:29 pm

    So your very last bastion of defence is that the Judge is corrupt ?

    You’ll have to point to where I said that.

    Can you explain why a judge would amended the charges though. It seems quite strange

  60. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:34 pm

    Wow AO, just read that link about the children in Cairns. That is horrific.

  61. Meta permalink
    December 19, 2014 2:54 pm

    (At a vague guess, it could be an efficiency in the administration of justice thing; a rehearsal of what would likely happen if the matter went upstairs, and/or if the matter went upstairs only to be kicked back downstairs; and a means of affixing the terrain and terms of engagement(s), either (or both) way(s).)

  62. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:00 pm

    and a means of affixing the terrain and terms of engagement(s)

    “Aww fuck it, here’s something we can pin on him, now fuck off and let us get back to chasing fucken criminals.”

    Or something like that?

  63. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:04 pm

    For comparison, hows the media been with this one

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:14 pm

    This means that Thomson and his legal team were completely unable to mount a defence against these charges.

    So the allegation is that Thomson was denied natural justice, which means an appeal judge would be so sloppy, misdirected or corrupt that he would preside over this process in a high profile case.

    My reply is –

    Does that judge “share an office” with Kathy Jackson (or something)?

    That’s the level of nonsense Wicks posts, other than he seeks to continue debates via emails that he bans on his blog (he shares multiple email (confidential?) addresses on multiple responses)

    Keep looking for conspiracies Tom R, it’s hilarious.

  65. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:22 pm

    I didn’t say conspiracy yomm, see my above 😉

    Anyway, I’m off for xmas beers

    enjoy whatever it is you are doing 😉

  66. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:40 pm

    “Anyway, I’m off for xmas beers”

    I dont believe you actually need to be anymore off your fucking head than you already are ?

    You truly are one gullible fool.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:49 pm

    There is just so much credibility for Tom R and his “Craig is innocent” ilk…

    • It’s a media beat up
    • He “settled with Fairfax”
    • Craig is innocent
    • Wait until he makes his statement in parliament
    • Think of the baby!
    • Wait until FWA has finished the investigation
    • FWA is wrong/corrupt/they’re “sharing an office”
    • There have been no charges
    • Wait until the charges are dealt with
    • That decision is so wrong
    • Wait for the appeal
    • The appeal judge is incompetent/corrupt/he “shares an office”
    • Think of the baby!

  68. Meta permalink
    December 19, 2014 3:56 pm

    (Or something like that?

    No, not quite like that; more like, and entirely hypothetically, this is what a less completely-fucked-up DPP case and trial might have started out with/might have ended up with/did end up with, and parties can now decide what they want to do next; sort of the converse or obverse of Wixxy’s interpretation of the apparent ‘denunciation of Thomson’; which could be considered, given the spectacular tossing out of the shopping-list of mangled-by-design charges, as much, or even more so, a ‘denunciation of the DPP’. Or, and in the vernacular, don’t write shit charge-sheets and put ’em on my docket, and, those charge-sheets stank so much that they’re never coming back, even if you or anyone scrubbed ’em clean; no justice can or could ever be found there. The problem, for the (amended) remainder, being, as said, that there’s now apparently a body of ‘evidence of record’ or ‘record of evidence’ consequent upon a ‘particular defence’ having been prepared and delivered, which theoretically could be used for or against, without some (further) remediation and/or a complete reboot, or left alone, if that’s how parties’ choose upon making a further risk-assessment, and the latest final/interim judgement going (un)appealed. At a guess.)

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2014 4:03 pm

    I forgot to add

    * Look over there at that slut Kathy Jackson!!

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 5:18 pm

  71. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 5:25 pm

    “Decency would require those who falsely accused me to apologise.”

    ROFLMAO

  72. Walrus permalink
    December 19, 2014 5:36 pm

    “Julia Gillard was in many ways a satisfactory witness,” Commissioner Heydon found. “But the manner in which she uttered these words denying what Athol James said seemed to be excessive, forced, and asseverated.

    “There was an element of acting in her demeanour. She delivered those words in a dramatic and angry way, but the delivery fell flat.

    “She protested too much. She chose to fight him. It was a fight in which there could be only one winner. Unfortunately, she lost that fight. Athol James’s testimony is to be accepted over hers. He was a witness of truth. His version of events was correct.”

    Note …….”He was a witness of truth” = She lied

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 6:21 pm

    ROFLMAO

    Fell of the swiveller again, Wille … 🙄

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 6:40 pm

    Who are you quoting there walrus?

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:01 pm

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:04 pm

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:17 pm

    Who are you quoting there walrus?

    Yes, KL, I was too busy with the foolishness!

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:19 pm

    Coupla WTs (its Friday!) and I slow down!

    Massive turnout for far Right rally

    Chuckle!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:26 pm

    The Cairns murders are horrific!

    But I’m sad to say reflect that people kill not weapons …

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2014 7:47 pm

    I know the passing of Stella Young was rather sad and everything but she was barely known outside of Victoria except for her appearances on Q & A.

    So why the fuck is ABC24 not covering the release of the Royal Commission Report but cutting to her Memorial Service instead ?

    What a joke the ABC has become

    Gee … even I respect the odd Mexican, especially special ones! Who weren’t born with a silver spoon up their arse and a swivel chair to make them feel good!

    All you do every day is demonstrate your narrow minded view of the country, its people and our values ( the world is a whole new —world!) … I’d advise you to fuck off to the UK but they don’t have 1950 values anymore either … and you’d have my cousins to deal with …

  81. December 20, 2014 12:01 am

    Yee hah!!! sing along

  82. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 8:33 am

    Is this the most ridiculous statement a judge (or anyone not nil or wally) has ever made?

    Heydon also said he had found it hard to judge Gillard’s credibility as a witness because she was well-prepared.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/19/union-royal-commission-finds-no-evidence-of-serious-wrongdoing-by-julia-gillard

    So, in this dimwits eyes, the fact that Gillard; who has been pursued over this matter for twenty odd years, and feverishly attacked and badgered for the past two or so years, to the point where she was forced to stand in front of every journo available (or able to phone anyone else) and answered ALL their questions in two marathon interviews; is for some reason “well-prepared” 😯

    He even goes on to further claim that he took the word of an 83 year old ex builder over Gillard (who has to date been correct in everything she has stated) because she got angry during the cross-examination. 😯

    Well, no shit dimwit, in fact,I recall himself getting angry at the prosecution badgering and repeatedly accusing her of the same thing over and over and over even after the dimwit had ordered them to stop.

    Now he claims she got “testy” (my words). Who the fuck wouldn’t!

    The political and biased nature of this royal witch hunt is becoming clearer the longer it drags on.

    Failure to deal with Kathy Jackson undermines credibility of Royal Commission

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/failure-to-deal-with-kathy-jackson-undermines-credibility-of-royal-commission-20141219-12aof9.html

    And, from the tone of this statement from Gillard, you have to wonder if the lawyers are about to be let loose again should not some grovelling apologies be offered up by some sniveling worms both in the ranks of the libs and their media magaphone (I don’t think that she will be so concerned with cranks and crazies on the internets, so breathe easy fellas 😉 )

    When in Opposition, the Coalition made a commitment to call a Royal Commission into the AWU Workplace Reform Association matter following weeks of parliamentary political attack on me as Prime Minister. At that time, members of the then-Opposition accused me of committing a crime. The Royal Commissioner has rejected any such finding, and I am pleased he has done so. Decency would require those who falsely accused me to apologise.
    The Commission’s proceedings on this particular matter have encompassed 11 days of hearings between May and September this year. As a result of requiring a Royal Commission to deal with this matter, the Abbott Government has ensured the expenditure of large amounts of public money. The Royal Commissioner recommends in his interim report that Mr Wilson and Mr Blewitt be referred to prosecuting authorities. Both Mr Wilson and Mr Blewitt were the subject of police investigation prior to the Royal Commission. Australians may well ask themselves whether the millions of dollars the Abbott Government has spent on a twenty-year-old matter that was already in the hands of the police would have been better allocated to health, education or law enforcement. The Royal Commissioner has made some comments about the evidence before him with which I do not agree. Most specifically, I categorically reject any suggestion that anyone other than I paid Mr Athol James for the work he performed at the property in Abottsford. I thank the staff of the Royal Commission for their courtesy to me on the day I appeared to give evidence.

    bold mine.

    Just what has this royal witch hunt exposed, except perhaps that any cases of fraud or misdemeanour’s within the union is both extremely rare, and largely historical.

    You know, precisely the opposite of what abetz is claiming.

  83. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 8:40 am

    So, even scridb gets it own little box in wordpress, how nice is that of them 🙂

  84. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 8:47 am

    And speaking of apologies, I wonder if the same liberal, media, or dot point addicted internet crazies will be apologising to Thomson now?

    After years of allegations about prostitutes, fraud and paying for his own election with union moneys have all come to naught. Every crazy and nutjob has assumed guilt and been free and easy with the declaration that alleged guilt which in the end all turned out to be nothing. The actual illegal charges came from a place no-one considered, probably not even Thomson himself. What an evil genius.

    The best lawyers and legal minds the vested interests could buy gathered together and gathered together any and all wrongdoings Thomson “might” have been guilty of and threw them at him, very publicly. A judge even found him guilty of a whole raft of them. How the haterz rejoiced. Unfortunately, on appeal, it turned out this judge appeared to have missed mightily important facets of the charges. That being, they weren’t illegal. What a friggin dope (to put it in the nicest terms)

    Another judge laughed them ALL out of court, and, after applying perfect 20 -20 hindsight vision to everything thrown at Thomson, and the hindsight of just what might be legal and what might not be, has now declared him guilty of a small number of different charges from using his own credit card, which he had already charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to and been found to be perfectly legal for to do so.

    A total of $3,500 over a period of five years. Almost a third of what yabot rorted from taxpayers to ply his book in one outing! And, considering it took the best legal minds in the country and several attempts to actually decide if these were legal or not, it would be hard to mount a case that Thomson was deliberately “stealing” this money in a major crime operation. It is unclear what this money was used for (which is probably the illegal part). It could have been used for union business, it could have been used for prostitutes (both could still be the same).

    We will wait and see if Thomson appeals these new charges or not, but it does appear that he is deserving of a major apology from the tens of thousands of people who have accused him of all of these other far more serious wrongdoings, only for him to be finally charged for wrongdoing over a matter that even many of the best legal minds failed to spot as illegal, which offers up little hope that Thomson himself recognised them as illegal at the time.

    All from a person who made many enemies with the HSU for his efforts to try and apply some rigour to the accounting practices of the union.

    I don’t smell a rat at all.

  85. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 9:03 am

    A sobering piece from Mike Secombe. 😦

    There should have been a soundtrack of flapping wings and squawking to accompany Treasurer Joe Hockey’s release of the budget update on Monday. So many chickens were coming home to roost.

    Yet the treasurer made no mention of the underlying cause of the mess. He neglected to point out that most of those roosting chickens, now leaving great splotches of guano on his reputation and his budget and Tony Abbott’s government, actually belonged to John Howard and Peter Costello.

    Were it not for them, Hockey – and Swan before him – would almost certainly have been able to announce balanced budgets or surpluses.

    ..

    The Howard–Costello government delivered five rounds of income tax cuts, and had promised more during the 2007 election campaign. The incoming Rudd Labor government, having committed to match the Coalition’s promised cuts, delivered them.

    So Labor cannot escape all blame for the current state of the budget. But it is largely guilty of just proceeding to do what the Howard government would have done, by hacking into revenue. Its spending, contrary to the consistent assertions of conservatives over recent years, was not the issue.

    That has been made abundantly clear by various analyses of the structural decline of the budget.

    The boom that made the Coalition government look good lasted less than a year into Labor’s term in office, he says.

    “Then it all came crashing down with the GFC [at the end of 2008]. Then it roared back up in 2010-11, which is when Swan said we would be back in surplus in three years. He thought the commodity boom was returning, but in reality coal and iron ore prices had peaked in 2011.”

    ..

    But in these straitened times, there is no such cover. Not for Abbott and Hockey and not, in retrospect, for Howard and Costello. Abbott’s great mentor has gifted him as political inheritance a tax system that might yet destroy his government.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/12/20/how-john-howards-tax-cuts-undid-his-protege-tony-abbott/14189940001389

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 9:22 am

    There I was thinking that Thomson didn’t contest that he’d used union funds for prostitutes

    His excuse was that he’d presumed this was his right

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 9:33 am

    Tom R seems to think we should base our judgements about character only on whether someone has a criminal conviction or not.

  88. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 9:42 am

    There I was thinking that Thomson didn’t contest that he’d used union funds for prostitutes

    He didn’t contest it is all, he also still maintains he didn’t. It turns out he was correct, and those allegations meant naught.

    only on whether someone has a criminal conviction or not.

    No, I’m only saying that you, amongst many others, have accused Thomson of crimes he has been cleared of.

    The crime he was finally, exhaustingly, found guilty of, was only discovered by acute legal minds looking anywhere and everywhere.

  89. December 20, 2014 10:05 am

    So what line was crossed then Tom R…?

  90. December 20, 2014 10:31 am

    Also, let’s not forget that it was Thomson who:

    1. Claimed that he had been set up, and warned that one way his political enemies would sabotage his career would be to falsify escort charges on his credit card.

    2. Claimed that it wasn’t him who used his drivers licence as id at the brothels.

    3. Told police that he knew who was responsible for supposedly using his credit card for the escort charges and cash withdrawals but refused to tell police who this individual was.

    4. Wept in parliament claiming he had done nothing wrong and it was all Tony Abbott’s fault.

    5. Claimed that Fairfax had “settled” his defamation case against, when in fact he dropped the case.

    6. Recently said he would no longer contest the fact that he did in fact use the company credit card to pay for escorts.

    The guy is a creep of the first order, so I do find it interesting that you continue to defend him, despite the litany of lies and deception.

    I wonder if his wife agrees that he is “guilty of no wrongdoing?”

  91. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 10:35 am

    (Good question; where does the line fall, say, between being resigned to relinquishing a longheld placemarker on a (p)reserved seat on the Front Bench, after a chat and an exhange of letters with the PM, and being benched entirely by/from a Party for the duration; perhaps the current first law officer of the commonwealth has, or should have, a view, too.)

  92. egg permalink
    December 20, 2014 10:48 am

    ‘The crime he was finally, exhaustingly, found guilty of….’

    He would have ended up in the clink if the Prosecution hadn’t screwed up.

  93. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 11:02 am

    So what line was crossed then Tom R…?

    I’m guessing an arbitrary one where the unhinging of the media reaches some indistinguishable crescendo that drowns at all and any other attempt at reasonable debate.

    1. Claimed that he had been set up, and warned that one way his political enemies would sabotage his career would be to falsify escort charges on his credit card.

    Mission Accomplished I would say then.

    2. Claimed that it wasn’t him who used his drivers licence as id at the brothels.

    Nothing has been shown here one way or another on that specific case to my knowledge.

    3. Told police that he knew who was responsible for supposedly using his credit card for the escort charges and cash withdrawals but refused to tell police who this individual was.

    Considering the treatment he has had from the police, one can hardly blame him for trusting them

    4. Wept in parliament claiming he had done nothing wrong and it was all Tony Abbott’s fault.</i.

    I'm not sure he actually blamed yabot, but the source of this lies fairly close.

    5. Claimed that Fairfax had “settled” his defamation case against, when in fact he dropped the case.

    I’ll give you that one.

    6. Recently said he would no longer contest the fact that he did in fact use the company credit card to pay for escorts.

    The reasoning for that has been explained extensively before reb. Rehashing this as if he is admitting guilt of something is pretty low.

  94. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 11:08 am

    (6. at least is probably wrong; his lawyer said, as I vaguely recall, something like, and for purposes of a defence, those sorts of claims were irrelevant in law (and also in fact), for both the charges and for a defence of them; those were the charges where that line of reasoning was accepted originally, and also the charges which were thrown out, and formed the basis of the appellate judge’s rehearsal of the very best/worst of those allegations, chapter and verse, to demonstrate their continuing irrelevance to any case the prosecution might have thought it had; the problem for/with the remaining charges perhaps might be that the general defence to a scattergun of interrelated moral claims dressed up in legal rags was a latency of presentation of an active, specific, item-by-item defence to the charges, original or amended; although, that too would seem to discount a notion that a defence team in any way did or didn’t contest ‘the fact that he did did in fact’, generally or specifically, as said per se; and yet, it could be said, that he or his defence always had the opportunity for having to have done so, but can the same be said of the remainder, amended charges now separated out?)

  95. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 11:13 am

    He would have ended up in the clink if the Prosecution hadn’t screwed up.

    What, you’re telling me the best silks vested money could buy are that friggin hopeless, after the amount of failed attempts they already had to pin something on him?

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 12:02 pm

    The fix was in on kathy jackson from the start, she has been allowed to treat the RC with contempt, it is obvious that she is being protected within the RC, that is how you can see it is a complete witch hunt.

    Seems to be a huge double standard if you ask me. Every Lib govt. instigates a union RC [abbott’s done two of them], this time they were so outraged that gillard became PM that they had to try and pulverise her over ridiculous 20 yo claims.

    Slimy sinodinos scurries off to the back bench after he’s foiled from gaining $200,000,000 – not a whisper of his corruption, abott today saying what a great man he is. We’ve still got the ashbygate saga that has gone nowhere under the lib owned AFP.

    Abbott has done many dirty and possibly illegal, corrupt deeds over the last 20 years, even while in parliament and he stands up like he’s some kind of puritan, king of the dung heap known as australian politics, all the while being a main player in a liberal party political mafia whose tentacles reach into every system of governance here.

    Labor had better start taking down some of these libs and their backers, no more letting them off the hook like the AWB scandal.
    Remember abbott during ICAC “it’s only illegal because the rules were changed”, never mind that they couldn’t stick to those rules.

    It’s all complete BS and waste of time and our money. I am even more convinced that we need to get rid of them all. What if they held an election and no one voted?

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 12:35 pm

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 12:38 pm

  99. The Kouk permalink
    December 20, 2014 1:34 pm

    Plain packaging of cigarettes has turned smokers off their habit.

    Australia’s world-first plain-package tobacco laws are having the desired effect — with eight out of ten smokers saying they don’t like the look of their ugly packs of cigarettes.

    The number of users worried about their smoking has also doubled since plain packs were introduced two years ago, according to the British Medical Journal.

    And half of all smokers say they support the new packaging.

    This follows another Cancer Institute study which reported a 78 per cent increase in calls to Quitline after plain packaging was introduced in December 2012.

    And the latest National Drug Strategy Household survey which found the proportion of the adult population smoking had plunged from 15.1 to 12.8 per cent between 2010 and 2013.

    In a world first in 2012 Australia made it mandatory for cigarettes to be sold in drab packaging with graphic health warnings covering 90 per cent of the back of the pack and 75 per cent of the front of the pack.

    The rules were designed to reduce the appeal of tobacco products, increase the effectiveness of health warnings and reduce the ability of packaging to mislead about the harm smoking causes.

    A new study by the Cancer Institute NSW shows the rules are achieving their objectives.

    “We’re seeing some real changes in the perception of smokers and their quitting behaviour,” says Cancer Institute NSW chief Professor David Currow.

    The Cancer Institute’s Tobacco Tracking Survey includes around 15,745 adult smokers (aged 18 years and over) in New South Wales (NSW).

    Since 2006 it has been interviewing around 50 people a week about their responses to health warnings on tobacco packs.

    It found two to three months after the introduction of plain packaging there was a significant increase in the absolute proportion of smokers having strong response to the packs.

    The prominence of the new health warnings saw an increase in smokers encouraged to quit the habit from 13 to 20 per cent.

    The research found eight in ten smokers no longer thought their cigarette pack was attractive, up from two in ten.

    A similar proportion no longer thought their pack was fashionable, influenced the brand they bought or matched their style.

    Since the introduction of plain packs, smokers were more likely to report that on-pack health warnings made them worry that they shouldn’t be smoking (from 13 per cent to 27 per cent).

    “This first-of-its-kind study demonstrates the clear and sustained impact tobacco plain packaging has had on the prominence of on-pack health warnings, as well as negative perceptions about tobacco packs,” Professor Currow said.

    “If plain cigarette packs can intensify smokers’ responses to warnings, as shown in this study, we can undoubtedly expect flow-on effects on consumption and quitting as a direct result of plain packaging.

    Other countries around the world including England and Ireland are closely watching Australia’s plain packaging experiment and are poised to introduce plain packs.

    Professor Currow said this latest research should give them courage.

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 2:06 pm

    from the above link:

    …“You can sum it up in four words,” says Chris Richardson of Deloitte Access Economics. “Temporary boom, permanent promises.”…

    …John Hewson, former Liberal leader, economist and now professor with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University, underlines the point: “The tax cuts Howard and Costello gave are now costing [the budget] about $30 billion a year, and the deficit’s $40 billion.”…

    …And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers.

    “You can easily add it up to show that the deficit that exists today is a fake number,” says Hewson. “They’ve basically imposed it on themselves.”

    More correctly, they imposed it on the less well-off…

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 2:19 pm

    Yep, unless there is a criminal prosecution, Tom R says there is nothing in it. In any event, Thomson is a criminal, but Tom R continues to defend him.

    …and why would anyone presume to accept Gillard’s word over that of anyone else. On that logic Gillard’s defenders will have to accept Abbott’s version of the wall punching incident.

  102. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 2:30 pm

    (Another example for the ‘conviction that unspeakable crimes just are (and are spoken about and spoken about and spoken about, with scant regard for basics like technical or any particular accuracy, and scant regard for the perils of, or the taking of rudimentary precautions against, making potentially prejudicial, trial-by-media-esque statements and/or implications) file’:

    Exhibit A: “KATHLEEN Pabai used to see the murdered children whenever they visited their grandfather, George.”
    Exhibits B & C: “Mother arrested for murder after eight children found dead in home in Murray St, Manoora”, “She was arrested overnight, but he said it was unknown when charges would be laid.”

    Maybe, Grace and Scott and the rest of the NewsCrop gang, that’s why actual charges, if any, concerning alleged crimes, if any, of the kind being claimed in reporting on the circumstances of a current event, (might/will) tend to be couched, ultimately, in language very much like ‘unlawful killing’, aka murder, if that’s how it goes; just like an arrest for suspicion of the same. That children have been killed may be beyond doubt; how, why, by whom, and with what legal significance would seem, and probably is, yet to be determined, and yet to be determined by, and with, relevant authority, after due investigation and consideration, and after the full legal process has been undertaken, and not before.)

  103. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 3:07 pm

    …and why would anyone presume to accept Gillard’s word over that of anyone else.

    Because her version of events have remained stable, and proven correct, whereas others have changed theirs to suit suit evidence as it comes to light.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2014 3:26 pm

    Because her version of events have remained stable, and proven correct, whereas others have changed theirs to suit suit evidence as it comes to light.

    Shite! Look over there! 🙄

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate … who really GAF?

    Neither Gillard nor Thomson are in Parliament … and not affecting us one jot right now … but the cronies sitting on the government benches are and do …

    Just sayin’ …

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 3:30 pm

    her version of events have remained stable

    Really? did she use the “young and naive” excuse again?

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 3:41 pm

    …and has Abbott’s version of wall punching changed? I suppose you’ll just have to accept his version now, because he’s a Prime Minister and therefore entitled to assert he’s of outstanding character.

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:02 pm

     “…will have to accept Abbott’s version of the wall punching incident…”

    Because there is a witness who has given a state dec to the court stating the incident.
    Why has ramJan successfully sued or forced an apology from the lib megaphones if not true.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:08 pm

    I’d like to see Abbott call ramjan a liar in public, he’ll be in court real quick.

    If you notice he doesn’t deny it he “thinks that it would be out of character” for him to do such a thing”

  109. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:13 pm

    (I suppose you’ll just have to accept his version

    Which version? The first one, where he vacated the field, by saying something like he didn’t recall the occasion, but it would seem out of character of him; or the pro-reactive one shortly thereafter, where he’d thought better of that initial stance, and had recovered total recall, and could honestly say that the wall-punching had never happened to the best of his recollection, and any claims to the contrary safely could be ignored, like any other criticisms of him, because those were/n’t the droids he/you was looking for.)

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:14 pm

    The notion that an individual should be believed because they happened to become a politician (and landed the PMs job) is stupid.

  111. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:28 pm

    (Here’s a question. Given that Tony Abbott seemingly is both very practised at and very comfortable with lying to and about other people, would he also be capable of lying to himself?)

  112. egg permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:29 pm

    ‘What, you’re telling me …’

    Yes, he didn’t defraud the credit card people, the lad was being a lad with union money, assuming it came with the job. The man is a renown serial liar, so this leap into corrupt practice was completely in character.

  113. egg permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:33 pm

    ‘…would he also be capable of lying to himself?)’

    He may well be another serial liar in need of professional help.

  114. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:33 pm

    The notion that an individual should be believed because they happened to become a politician

    That’s probably why I said that Gillards version might have been more believable is because she has had one story, unchanged, that has been shown to be accurate when and where evidence has come forward to verify or not, whereas the prosecution has changed as evidence unfolds.

  115. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:38 pm

    (Given that Tony Abbott seemingly is both very practised at and very comfortable with lying to and about other people, would he also be capable of lying to and about* himself?)

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:51 pm

    Yeah. Gillard is so honest and should be taken at her Gillard’s word – just ask Andrew Wilkie.

    She Gillard couldn’t even keep her Gillard’s written word.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 4:56 pm

    Yeah!! and we should believe Craig too, because in the face of all those changing allegations, he’s stuck steadfast to the same story!!

    So have his supporters!

  118. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 5:01 pm

    (That’s probably why I said that Gillards version might have been more believable is because she has had one story, unchanged, that has been shown to be accurate when and where evidence has come forward to verify or not, whereas the prosecution has changed as evidence unfolds.

    No time-machine for Gillard or her detractors; it is what it is, and was what it was; no matter how much a recommended RC, and its Commissioner, might or might not be proceeding with an explicit view to converting (un)lawful conduct into (un)lawful, as norm-ally tasked?)

  119. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 5:09 pm

    (I’ll issue a challenge for ToM, for fun. Gillard and Wilkie signed a mutual agreement; Gillard agreed to do some things and Wilkie agreed to do others; did Wilkie keep his side of the agreement, to abide by the terms and the timings of the Productivity Commission’s Inquiry into Poker Machine Gambling, explicitly referred to in the agreement which Gillard signed and Wilkie signed, or did he excuse his lapse because he thought he might be a one-shotter and really, really wanted his extra-agreement reform(s) to go through, and said so, in real time?)

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 5:12 pm

    Yeah!!

    Wilkie acted in bad faith! Gillard was right to break her written commitment!!

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 5:34 pm

    …and of course, in off loading the duplicitous and pesky Wilkie, Gillard was right in recruiting the pillar of integrity Slipper to the most senior position in the HoR. Otherwise she Gillard might have had to face the political consequences of putting up with Wilkie breaking his shabby commitment.

    Honest as the day is long, that’s Our Former Prime Minister.

  122. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 6:33 pm

    (So, no, Wilkie didn’t keep to his half of the agreement, strictly-speaking, and, along with Xenophon, overplayed his poker hand, believing that the Gillard government was weak, which it was, when they pushed for reforms of a kind and of a timeframe beyond those to which Wilkie and Gillard had agreed in writing; thereby undermining Gillard’s ability to rely on the Productivity Commission’s general recommendations to build a stronger case for specific reform proposals, within and on behalf of a Gillard Government and on behalf of Wilkie, as agreed, thusly almost sabotaging the lot, beyond what she managed to retrieve as a terrible negotiator and notoriously dishonest woman; especially when the then-Opposition abruptly broke with bipartisanship and reversed its similarly-oriented, long(er)term poker-machine gambling reform policy, because it was convenient to do so if it might bring further harmony to parliament and to all concerned?)

  123. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 6:39 pm

    (…Gillard’s ability to rely on the Productivity Commission’s general recommendations and Gillard’s ability thereby to build a stronger case for specific reform proposals*…)

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 6:47 pm

    Yeah, Wilkie just cannot be trusted, whereas Gillard went to all the trouble of legislating unilaterally in accordance with her commitment in 7.7 of her Gillard’s agreement with WIlkie!!

  125. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 7:00 pm

    (So, are you saying that Wilkie manifestly did or didn’t keep to his written and signed agreement in toto, inclusive of an obligation to paint within the Productivity Commission’s recommendations’ lines, ToM?)

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 7:08 pm

    I think I’m saying Gillard made a range of commitments in order to become Prime Minister. She Gillard wrote them on a piece of paper and then signed it.

    She Gillard then didn’t keep to her Gillard’s word.

    As far as I can recall, Wilkie was not Prime Minister.

  127. Meta permalink
    December 20, 2014 7:30 pm

    (It really isn’t, or shouldn’t be, that difficult, ToM. I’ll simplify the question(s) being asked of you. Did Wilkie discharge his obligations per a written agreement co-signed by both parties to it? Did Wilkie even discharge his obligations in that agreement with respect to the apparently pivotal issue of pokies reform?)

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 7:39 pm

    That’s so very interesting.

    Does Wilkie has the same national obligations as a Prime Minister? Did Wilkie ask to be entrusted with the welfare of the country ?

    But that’s fine. I think it is great that you blame Wilkie for breaking the age mentioned. Particularly given the brave way Gillard legislated unilaterally ad required under the agreement

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 7:40 pm

    “age mentioned” = agreement

    (auto correction )

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2014 8:01 pm

    The notion that an individual should be believed because they happened to become a politician (and landed the PMs job) is stupid.

    Then are you stupid, ToM … it was your assertion?

    I suppose you’ll just have to accept his version now, because he’s a Prime Minister and therefore entitled to assert he’s of outstanding character.

    No-one else that I can see?

    You are beginning to obfuscate like a Willie we know …

    Oh what a tangled web?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He may well be another serial liar in need of professional help.

    So why do you support him so much? Ahhh … the budgie smugglers!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She Gillard couldn’t even keep her Gillard’s written word.

    You and your written word … you make Wilkie out to be a dummy … he’s an ex-ASIO analyst FFS he knows that Gillard couldn’t promise anything in writing … give Wilkie some credit or are you just playing your “I’m just a surfer” card? Don’t work here sunshine … your repition is just repetitious boring … as you moronic lot like to say … going forward … so fkn do it!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    no matter how much a recommended RC, and its Commissioner,

    Opinionated … Commissioner! (PS I’m not a Gillard fan, remember)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But that’s fine. I think it is great that you blame Wilkie for breaking the age mentioned. Particularly given the brave way Gillard legislated unilaterally ad required under the agreement

    I’m not sure whether ToM is:

    • Pissed

    • Angry

    • Lost

    • Unsure

    • Desperate

    • Fkd

    • Wnorg

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2014 8:59 pm

    ” FFS he knows that Gillard couldn’t promise anything in writing …

    Well of course TB. That’s why Gillard went to all the trouble of writing out her commitment and writing her name at the end, I think she Gillrd then offered the writing to Wilkie so that he could write his name at the end too.

    I’ve no idea why intelligent people would even bother to put stuff in writing.

    But perhaps take it up with Meta, he blames Wilkie for breaking the (apparently worthless) written agreement

  132. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2014 12:35 am

    I don’t think yomm likes data from Meta

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 1:10 am

    😆

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2014 11:04 am

    It’s a defence Craig hasn’t yet tried – “I blame Wilkie”

  135. December 21, 2014 3:35 pm

    This say it all succinctly and accurately. Those bush lawyer fucking imbeciles that wont take the referees decision because of their ingrained misogyny, hatred of unions, fellating fervour for the fallacious vindictive treachery of this ass hat PM elected on a tsunami of lies and immorally deceptive electioneering supported by the murdocracy…

    Get the fuck over it deniers, your dog will not save you Abbott is not the Messiah, rather a false profit projecting terrorist suicide bombing the truth…

    This government is a waste of space and money…

  136. December 21, 2014 3:57 pm

    Fuck me Scott Morrison has been promoted to Social Services Minister. Start praying for pensioners,the disabled, those looking for work etc. He demonised those seeking a better life. Now it’s their turn.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-sacks-defence-minister-david-johnston-moves-scott-morrison-and-kevin-andrews-20141221-12bm85.html

  137. December 21, 2014 4:40 pm

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:16 pm

    LOL! @ Sir craig

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:18 pm

    I guess this is more appropriate here …

    Scott Morrison moved from Immigration to become Minister for Social Services.

    This will be a nightmare … for Scotty … the age pensioners (baby boomers!) won’t be shipped out in fkn lifeboats!

    And what a fkn oxymoron … Scott Morrison and Social Services!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-territory/cabinet-reshuffle-tony-abbott-promotes-sussan-ley-to-health-david-johnston-axed/story-fnn3gfdo-1227163359254

  140. December 21, 2014 5:32 pm

  141. December 21, 2014 5:47 pm

    I see I’ve been beaten to it, but my first thought on seeing news of AbbottCorp.’s cabinet rehash shuffle was…Fuck Me Dead, he’s installed Obersturmfuhrer Morrison into a position to mercilessly put the jackboot into welfare recipients! 😯

    *Guffaw!

    What an unwinning strategy, guaranteed to not be seen as having a bit of contempt humanity for the downtrodden.
    Abbott wants to see just how low he can sink in the polls, apparently.

    I also note that, as posted here previously, they snuck in the precursor for SlaveNonchoices MK2, cynically, just before the close of business on the Friday afternoon prior to xmas week.

    They still don’t ‘get it’, do they.

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:54 pm

    They still don’t ‘get it’, do they.

    Nup, Toillette, but I sure wish someone would fkn give it to ’em!

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:55 pm

    BTW, isn’t that Mk3?

  144. December 21, 2014 6:06 pm

    Not Mk3 yet…

    By all appearances to date, you’d definitely expect the ideological fucktards in government to try it on though.
    I think the report (which definitely won’t come to the conclusions they’re after…noooo, it certainly won’t be rigged, nuh-uh) comes out Nov 2015, so that will give them at least six months or so to quote & misquote it as justification for prosecuting their ongoing assault on the working person.
    What will be interesting will be if they show their hand before the next election, noting all of the baggage they already have, or (most likely) allude to IR change and then ‘claim’ a mandate post election (if they wwin).
    I doubt the public is in any mood for SlaveNonchoices Mk3 anytime soon.

  145. December 21, 2014 6:23 pm

    Bolt is likely to have diurnal emissions over the Morrison move, btw.

    ‘Strong performers’ rule! Coz everyone likes getting things taken away from them by vindictive, scowling arseholes whose claim to fame is demonization of soft targets.

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 6:33 pm

    “‘Strong performers’ rule! Coz everyone likes getting things taken away from them by vindictive, scowling arseholes”

    Toilet you could be talking about yourself.

    You lot took away any hope of refugees from UNHCR camps making it to Australia because you voted for Rudd in 2007. Our places were swamped by boat people, most of whom appear to be economic refugees looking for a better life rather than fleeing persecution which is what our humanitarian intake is for. We have other schemes for those seeking a better life.

    Under Rudd/Gillard you could buy your way into Australia.

    Morrison brought more fairness into a difficult situation.

  147. December 21, 2014 6:38 pm

  148. December 21, 2014 6:40 pm

    I take nothing from anyone, Kneel.

    I’ve never received a cent of welfare & every cent I have has been earned.

    Let’s see how the general population enjoys Morrison stipulating what’s in their best interest as he kicks welfare recipients & pensioners.
    Not everyone’s as spectacularly monocular as thou.
    I’m thinking that hammering Australian citizens, rather than over-the-horizon ‘boat people’ won’t prove quite as easy or popular, not least because they live here, have a voice & advocates & can’t be obscured for ‘operational reasons’.

    An entirely different kettle of fish, arsehat.

    But well done for drawing false analogies with my musings.

  149. December 21, 2014 6:42 pm

    You’ve probably already provoked ricky into red carding you with the picture of black pinstriped mumble pants.

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 6:56 pm

    I assume you lot disagree with the way Morrison runs the refugee program.

    Fact is votes have consequences and your vote in 2007 stopped any hope of refugees in UNHCR camps making it to Australia.

    Morrison has reopened that avenue because the boats have stopped. He has given hope to thousands of needy people.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 7:05 pm

    He has given hope to thousands of needy people.

    Yep, sending Muslims to a “very” christian PNG … was hopeful …

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 7:12 pm

    “Yep, sending Muslims to a “very” christian PNG … was hopeful …:

    I thought it was Rudd/ALP that reopened Manus Island and sent them there?

    After the ALP abolished the Pacific Solution we got 50,000 boat arrivals leading to record numbers of people being locked up.

    This is what Reb, Toilet, TB et al built from 2007-2013

    Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
    Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
    Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
    There was also
    Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
    Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
    Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″
    Of course i forgot to mention Manus Island reopened in 2012

    Morrison has stopped the boats opening up the possibility of taking people from UNHCR camps rather than people with $$$$$$$$10,000.

  153. December 21, 2014 7:12 pm

    “I assume you lot”

    Hah!

    I’m not part of a ‘lot’, no matter how many times you attempt to extrapolate what you think my voting intentions are/were into a cookie-cutter, ALP limpet paradigm.

    Watch him construct a bitter narrative for removing hope & help from thousands of needy Australians in his shiny new portfolio.

    You really can’t see the wood for the fucking trees.

  154. December 21, 2014 7:13 pm

    “This is what Reb, Toilet, TB et al built from 2007-2013”

    I’ve warned you about such stupid statements many times previously.

  155. December 21, 2014 7:14 pm

    Morrison has reopened that avenue because the boats have stopped. He has given hope to thousands of needy people.

    Gullible in the very least and consistently a fucking heinously immoral fuckwit…

    act is votes have consequences .

    and your vote fuckwit has seen the most vindictively oppressive social engineering program in Australia’s history enacted by a profoundly dishonestly immoral unworthy liar who is fiscally reckless and incompetent in every order of governance.

    Here ya go Toilet.. 🙂

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 7:47 pm

    “Yep, sending Muslims to a “very” christian PNG … was hopeful …”

    If you are talking about Reza berati, he was sent to Manus Island by the AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Berati

    Berati had arrived in Australia on 24 July 2013 – just five days after the PNG solution was announced – and was sent to Manus Island in August. He was killed on 17 February 2014.[3″

    It was the ALP who locked up record numbers of men, women and children.

    Morrison is slowly emptying the detention centers. Now the boats have stopped we can now take people from UNHCR camps.

  157. December 21, 2014 8:00 pm

    A ‘new’ split Ministry for ‘Industry & Science’, but hey, Fuck Science, we have queen-god-and-country & that’s all an ‘enlightened’ modern ready, flexible employment pool society needs…

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/21/tony-abbott-cabinet-reshuffle-moves-scott-morrison-out-of-immigration

    “Abbott has reversed his decision not to include science in a ministerial title, renaming the portfolio held by industry minister Ian Macfarlane as “industry and science”.”

    I want to know, where’s our Minister for Bible & our Minister for Marriage Security.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:14 pm

    Here’s a sinister comment …

    Mr Abbott said the shake-up puts “jobs and families” at the centre of 2015.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-territory/cabinet-reshuffle-tony-abbott-promotes-sussan-ley-to-health-david-johnston-axed/story-fnn3gfdo-1227163359254

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you are talking about Reza berati, he was sent to Manus Island by the AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY.

    I know and I said the ALP were dummies at the time … but you wouldn’t comprehend that … I then said that the LNP were cruel to continue…

    Reza Berati died under Morrison’s watch … he should have taken responsibility but shifted blame to so many people that no-one seems to be responsible … typical LNP …

    If the LNP is in power they wear the responsibility not the Opposition … learn about the Westminster System then pop back and discuss … merry christmas …

  159. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:27 pm

    TB

    You said this

    ““Yep, sending Muslims to a “very” christian PNG … was hopeful

    Morrison is not sending anybody to PNG. The boats have stopped so there is no need.

    Scott Morrison is actually EMPTYING the detention centers.

    You lot can make fun of Morrison but he is doing the right thing. Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees around the world we have to have a quota system

  160. December 21, 2014 8:42 pm

    “You lot can make fun of Morrison but he is doing the right thing.”

    I’m not ‘making fun’ of Morrison. I wouldn’t piss in his arse if his shit was on fire. I’m quite serious about him, he’s not funny.

    As for “doing the right thing”…well, soon he’ll be doint The Right thing in a brand new portfolio. Y’know, the actual reason he’s being commented about today.
    According to my link (bound to be discounted rubbish because it’s just The Guardian) he’s less than impressed with the appointment. I wonder if that’s coz he realises that his previous hardline targets were soft & ‘hidden’?…and his next lot will make all sorts of noise and are actual Australian citizens and voters with all of the similarly voting friends and families that entails. And all of the requisite media scrutiny not so easily dismissed for ‘operational reasons’.

    You don’t ‘get it’ either, do you, Neil?

  161. December 21, 2014 8:42 pm

    #nochickenfarmerdespiteappearances

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:49 pm

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    December 21, 2014 8:54 pm

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:57 pm

    Actually you are right- i don’t get it.

    I think you are saying Morrison is mean and nasty to asylum seekers so he will be mean and nasty to Australians.

    I don’t think he is mean and nasty at all. I think he is tough but fair.

    I don’t think Australia should have open borders like they were under the ALP.

  165. December 21, 2014 9:06 pm

    “I think you are saying Morrison is mean and nasty to asylum seekers so he will be mean and nasty to Australians.”

    No, smart-smart, what I am saying is that he won’t be able to pursue the same sort of hardline, unaccountable position against his own citizens. Or at least, if he does,he will find his portfolio less ‘strongly performing’.

    I wonder…he’d been touted, amongst the gargoyle limpets at least, as a potential PM…maybe it’s Abbott’s way of giving him the shitsandwich with extra sauce?…although I doubt that, primarily because these dickheads in charge seem to be immune to public sentiment when it comes to impolitely fucking with the standards of living of the masses (note: not foreigners attempting to enter Australia).

    You are the one putting intentions in my name.

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 9:57 pm

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 10:00 pm

  168. Meta permalink
    December 21, 2014 10:52 pm

    (Hmmm, really? Abbott’s permanently narrowed Mr Broadband’s prospects, defatted and boned Julie Bishop’s DFAT, and now promoted Scott Morrison as the face of AntiSocial Services?

    ————————–

    Agreed, Neil; Morrison was doing a heck of a job EMPTYING the DETENTION CENTRES…

    …and he’s now in an even better place, to breathe fresh life into Kevin Andrews’ strong and secure efforts at building a Green & Gold Army out of dis-carded involuntary no-income management conscripts.)

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 10:55 pm

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  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:17 am

    armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:54 pm

    Reposting this type of comment is just nonsense – ”Completely fail to acknowledge that the profligacy of the Howard/Costello years the root cause of the problem”

    Swan was Treasurer for 6 years, and it’s still the fault of Howard & Costello??!! What was Swan doing for 6 years if our current problems are the fault of people who lost office 7 years ago?

  177. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:27 am

    What was Swan doing for 6 years if our current problems are the fault of people who lost office 7 years ago?

    Perhaps trying to fix the mess in the midst of a global financial crisis?

    As has been noted, extensively, Swan wound back a lot of the welfare handouts, and this grubmint just shoved a lot of em back in.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:42 am

    Tom, Howard’s pork now amounts to $30 billion of the budget and the deficit is $40 billion. We would be so much better off, almost at surplus if the Howard costello drunken sailors had not pissed away a once only mining boom with stupid largesse. This can’t be taken back now.
    And yes, swan had a gst. Look at the further blow out under hockeynomics!

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:52 am

    The minister for women said the best thing he’s done for women this year is removing the carbon tax! Wow, my hero, obviously it’s only women affected by climate change!

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:55 am

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:56 am

    I like this bit, KL!

    “As many of us know, women are particularly focussed on the household Budget and the repeal of the carbon tax means a $550 a year benefit for the average family.”

    Is Peta Credlin really a man?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-nominates-carbon-tax-repeal-as-achievement-in-his-role-as-minister-for-women/story-fncynjr2-1227163983577

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:03 am

    Howard’s pork now amounts to $30 billion of the budget and the deficit is $40 billion. We would be so much better off, almost at surplus if the Howard costello drunken sailors had not pissed away a once only mining boom with stupid largesse. This can’t be taken back now.

    That’s fine, and Swan had 6 years to do something, and didn’t. It is no use blaming an administration that hasn’t held office for 7 years – Costello/Howard – when we’ve had Swan/Rudd then Swan/Gillard then Bowen/Rudd then Hockey/Abbott since, and Swan was treasurer for 6 of the 7 years.

  183. Meta permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:12 am

    (What is it with ToM and ‘blame’? Vis-a-vis, say, ‘problem-solving’? Probably already both familiar to a consultant as both personal orientations and organizational-cultural attributes.)

  184. Meta permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:17 am

    (Like, a rehearsal of blame-shifting nominees is great, but if the root-cause of a problem really was seven and more years ago, and has persisted because conditions have neither allowed for its rectification and because it can’t be talked about fully, how is Jolly Joe going to be in a better position to fix it?)

  185. Meta permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:21 am

    (Egads, what if the root-cause was seven years and more ago, hasn’t been fixed, can’t be fully talked about, and Jolly Joe goes ahead and does more of the same sorts of problem-causing things, hailing from the same successful stock of ideas, as those which originally caused the original problem?)

  186. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:30 am

    I you don’t think Labor tried to wind back costello’s profligacy, then you weren’t taking notice yomm, or caught up in the media led “class war” rhetoric

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/the-new-aussie-battlers-earn-150000/story-e6frea6u-1226054249912?nk=090fae38648fe827d2729538dce0a114

    They did make many small rectifications. Of course, they shouldn’t have signed onto the dumbass tax breaks howard promised, but, imagine the risk of howard winning that election?

    As has been shown, Labor had a credible plan to return us to a balanced budget position. This grubmint has unwound all of that

  187. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:36 am

    So, the minster for womens has taken away that nasty tax on hot flushes?

    Where’s my $550? Or does womens gets more?

    Is Peta Credlin really a man?

    I think there is a “hu” missing in there 😉

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:43 am

    It was Wayne Swan that gave us tax cuts which allegedly are causing us problems. This from Swans very last budget.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.

    In fact Swan is so proud of his tax cuts he has a special column (the last one) showing how much better off we are with his tax cuts compared to Costello’s

    However life is never simple. If Hockey put the income tax scales back to where they were in 2007 nobody knows what damage that could do. Fools like Seccombe can say that is what should be done but he does not have to bear the responsibility.

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:43 am

    Labor tried to wind back costello’s profligacy, and failed and instead instituted their own remarkable profligacy

  190. December 22, 2014 10:44 am

    Already, their ‘New’ line of rhetorical attack appears to be taking shape.

    Hands up who’s actually noticed a significant change to their lot due to repeal of the carbon tax?

    Pretty cheeky claiming that as the ‘biggest contribution’ from the Minister for Women, if you ask me.

  191. December 22, 2014 10:47 am

    “Fools like Seccombe can say that is what should be done but he does not have to bear the responsibility.”

    Q- So, fools like Abbott & Hockey are going to bear the responsibility for what they’ve done to the budget since being dishonestly elected then are they?

    A- Not by the Neil’s of Australia.

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 11:17 am

    “So, fools like Abbott & Hockey are going to bear the responsibility for what they’ve done to the budget”

    I guess so but they are having trouble getting what they want through the Senate.

    Best not to trash the budget in the first place that that is impossible for the ALP. It must be a nightmare for any govt following an ALP govt.

    Putting humpty dumpty back together may not be possible.

  193. egg permalink
    December 22, 2014 11:41 am

    ‘I guess so but they are having trouble getting what they want through the Senate.’

    That’s the wonderful thing about democracy and if the government is not happy then they could always call an early election, but at the moment that would be political suicide.

    They are confident their infrastructure thingy will come up trumps eventually.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 11:53 am

    More from the intellectual giant … you bet you are …

    “The challenge for all of us is to get more women into public life, more women into the Parliament, because once we’ve got more women in the Parliament we’ll have more women in the Ministry and more women in the Cabinet. Tony Abbott”

    Back to the 1930’s …

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    It is no use blaming an administration that hasn’t held office for 7 years

    But you the same concept all the time …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Best not to trash the budget in the first place …

    Unfair budgets should be trashed and burned … targeting the most vulnerable in society is the sign of a misguided despotic zealot … no wonder The Abbott feels threatened by the modern Russian Czar …

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 11:55 am

    “…(Egads, what if…”
    hehe, funny as meta!
    (we know they will do that)

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 11:57 am

    “…Hands up who’s actually noticed a significant change to their lot due to repeal of the carbon tax?…”

    Ours has gone up!

  197. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 12:06 pm

    note to nil

    we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13.

    Didn’t someone scrap the Carbon Price? Did they scrap the tax cuts associated?

    It’s about balanced tax cuts genius

    and failed and instead instituted their own remarkable profligacy

    Except, as was shown repeatedly (and repeatedly), they WEREN’T profligate. They actually ran very measured and sustainable budgets. They were just loaded with a very unbalanced fiscal position, which became exposed one the GFC hit.

    Amazing that the media have suddenly discovered this. They went missing for 6 years when their input would have helped the most.

  198. December 22, 2014 12:17 pm

    Here is one for Nil a complete fucking tosser who thinks Morrison, a fuckwit that uses children as bargaining chips is “hard but fair” What a completely unconscionably immoral disgraceful excuse for a human he is.

  199. December 22, 2014 12:39 pm

    Did he say Repealing the carbon tax is his biggest achievement as minister 4 vindictive vaginal rhetoric? Surly not 🙄 What a knuckle scraper

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-names-carbon-tax-repeal-as-his-top-achievement-as-minister-for-women-20141221-12bw42.html

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 12:43 pm

    Does he even fkn care how much of a tool he sounds ricky?
    Or worse, does he actually think like that 😯
    The first PM with contempt for half the population!

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 1:32 pm

    I see lefties all over internet land are quoting the article by Seccombe that the Costello tax cuts are causing us problems.

    Well why didn’t Swan reverse them? You govern for the times. Not only did Swan not reverse them he bragged about how great his tax cuts were compared to Costello’s.

    But maybe Hockey should do what Seccombe suggests. He should get up and say he has listened to Seccombe and is putting back income tax levels to what they were in 2007. I wonder what that would do to the economy?

  202. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 2:58 pm

    Well why didn’t Swan reverse them?

    Because, foolishly, they had promised to match them when howard had his brain fart bribe at the start of the election. They shouldn’t have, they should have called them the bullshit for what they were. That was a mistake.

    However, as has been shown, repeatedly, Labor were winding back tax for those who really didn’t need it, far too slowly imo, but, as my link above shows, they were up against an extremely devious campaign not just from the opposition, but by the media at large, who all jumped on hte “class warfare’ bandwagon.

    Labor were low spending, and were prioritising any Government expenditure to where it was needed, and offsetting it by Great Big New Taxes on those who it was shown could afford it. Unlike this mob, who are giving it all back to rich companies, and hitting those at the bottom. And their equation just doesn’t add up.

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:08 pm

    “Because, foolishly, they had promised to match them when howard had his brain fart bribe at the start of the election.

    Did Swan promise to match them at the 2010 election??????

    No. Swan actually bragged about how great his tax cuts were compared to Costello. he even published a Table showing how much better his tax cuts were.

  204. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:16 pm

    Did Swan promise to match them at the 2010 election??????

    Well, if howard was running in that one, then yea, why not 😯

    Try and use ya noggen nil 😉

    Swan actually bragged about how great his tax cuts were compared to Costello

    You forgot to mention “affordable” tax cuts compared with the hammock dwellers profligacy #justsayin

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:23 pm

    “Well, if howard was running in that one, then yea, why not”

    Howard was not running in the 2010 election

    “You forgot to mention “affordable” tax cuts compared with the hammock dwellers profligacy

    Tax cuts were affordable in 2010?

    And the hammock dweller paid off all the debt you lot created and then some.

    TomR you really are a corrupt and immoral human being. You can only teach me one thing- how to be a nasty human being

  206. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:35 pm

    Howard was not running in the 2010 election

    That was my point, genius

    Tax cuts were affordable in 2010?

    Yes, if they were offset by tax rises elsewhere, similar to the case of your quote above about the Carbon Price.

    TomR you really are a corrupt and immoral human being.

    Merry Xmas nil 🙂

  207. Meta permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:38 pm

    (Oh, Neil’s woken up to temporary tax cuts potentially being part of a well-designed stimulus package; not the whole package of course, and not permanenently; maybe Howard and Costello just got a bit confused about macroeconomics while they were driving interest rates up and up and up.)

  208. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:40 pm

    Just so we can read it again 😉

    Let’s read it again:

    “Julia Gillard did not commit any crime and was not aware of any criminality on the part of these union officials. . .”

    Yup. So says, in black and white, with the full imprimatur of the law of the land, the interim report of the Royal Commission into Union Corruption, on the subject of our erstwhile Prime Minister. Yes, folks, $50 million spent on this politically motivated, government-driven Ditch-the-Witch-hunt, and after all that fire, all that fury, all those allegations, once the law patiently sifted through all the evidence this is the verdict. Stand by for the craven apology from the government and the commentariat.

    Set your watches for 2025.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/peter-fitzsimons-sydney-siege-met-with-courage-wisdom-and-one-exception-20141220-12ayw1.html

  209. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:46 pm

    Oh, Neil’s woken up

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

  210. Meta permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:50 pm

    (Neil, why did Glenn Stephens nominate ‘a decade ago’ (that’d be 2004-ish) as a critical time for a problematic’s genesis in Australian macroeconomics, and what was he doing when he deliberately inserted into the interview agenda, right at the beginning, to kind of dispell the limited and limiting narrative which Joe Hockey and even key economic commentators at the AFR like to trundle out as the whole story they’re only interested in talking about, a brief discussion of several kinds of ‘transitions’ the Australian economy is going through?)

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:52 pm

    ???????

    please speak english

  212. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:58 pm

    maybe you need to use terms like “corrupt” or “immoral” in order for it to bypass nils linguistic abilities.

    But who knows why the media constantly misses the real story and prefers to play to the strophic “debt is bad” opera.

  213. December 22, 2014 4:29 pm

  214. December 28, 2014 6:56 pm

  215. December 28, 2014 7:07 pm

  216. December 28, 2014 7:11 pm

    This Conman character is delusionary.. more lying front bench filth

  217. December 28, 2014 8:05 pm

  218. egg permalink
    December 28, 2014 8:08 pm

    “The truth is that our Direct Action policy, which was legislated by the Parliament, will ensure we achieve our emissions reductions targets for the future,” he said.

    An expensive and pointless concept.

  219. December 28, 2014 10:38 pm

  220. egg permalink
    December 29, 2014 7:08 am

    The carbon tax figures are in: Australians paid $14b to reduce global emissions by 0.004%!

  221. December 29, 2014 8:28 am

    Got a link for that Egg? Dont make such wild allegations without proof..oh wait, you voted for Abbott 🙂 Have you purchased a nice new iron for your frock with the rebate from the minister for menstruation most notable achievement ???

  222. egg permalink
    December 29, 2014 10:32 am

    ‘Got a link for that Egg?’

    Yeah, but its of no import.

  223. December 29, 2014 12:54 pm

    ^^^^^^^
    Duly Ignored 🙄

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