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December 21, 2014

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Hello and good morning,

Well it’s that time of year when we all go off and do whatever the hell we like, spend up large, and to eat, drink and be mary.

I thought I should say a few words, like how we all have wide and varying views and opinions yet we can congregate here in this little virtual village in peace and harmony.

But of course that would be bullshit.

We are, I suspect,  in a way more like a home for the infirm, or those of unsound mind.

For instance, who would’ve guessed that ToSY and egg would find romance over at the art gallery…?

Anyway, thank youse all for your contributions over the year, be safe and have yourselves a trashy little christmas.

I luv youse all.

reb.

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236 Comments leave one →
  1. December 21, 2014 10:30 am

    And I love you too Reb…well, sometimes. Thanks for another great year of ‘The Trash’ and looking forward to more next year – with this government in the big chair – it should be a hoot!
    To TB of Queensland; love your new avatar!

  2. December 21, 2014 10:42 am

    I would like to extend all my most articulate and creative insults to all the facile fucktads at the fusile foot spar that is “The Gutter Trash ” over the holiday season (pending cancellation for a productivity dividend by the worst government in History led by the most heinous gargantuan dollop of chocolate dipped rancid foreskin cheese ever falsely elected on a lie)

    May you all have a safe and joyous Coca cola Consumerism spending spree (as prescribed by the our cigar puffing fiscally feeble fuckwit eleventy twesure )

    All except for Egg who I hope cops a dose of pustular thrush in her cavernous vage from chlamydia change

    and of course

    Nils who I would like to spontaneously combust as he disappears up his own festering corn hole…

    Love youz all

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 12:34 pm

    Another year of trash talk, and what a year it’s been! Thanks for your efforts all year round reb, we love you too ❤
    I'll be working through the holiday season [someone has to 😥 ] wish you all lots of family cheer and a nice rest – you're going to need it because I can feel in my bones that abbott is planning and plotting an attack upon the public in the new year! Keep yer wits about you [those who have them].

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2014 1:04 pm

    Great work by everyone!! Particularly reb!

  5. December 21, 2014 2:30 pm

    Golden moments from 2014…

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:15 pm

    Anyway, thank youse all for your contributions over the year, be safe and have yourselves a trashy little christmas.

    I luv youse all.

    And right back at yer my merry little, mate!

    Thanks for providing a wonderful venue and keeping the inmates insane in line …

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    HoHoHo, ee … always good to read yer stuff … a merry christmas (get rid of that fkn C!)

    Glad you like the new gravatar … taken me a long time to link with something appropriate … 🙂 I give Willie some credit … he’s developing quite well …

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    RP, all I can say is … 😯 have a merry little christmas (fkn C!)!

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    KL, another year gone! Look forward to 2015 reading your special reports and swift riposte … all the seasons best to you and yours – your gift is still giving in many ways … my doc estimated I need 147 years to finish!

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    ToM … you and yours have a great christmas, mate … look forward to sparring next year!

    Hope ya catch a big one … 😉

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  7. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 5:15 pm

    Scott Morrison moved from Immigration to become Minister for Social Services.

    This will be a nightmare … for Scotty … the age pensioners (baby boomers!) won’t be shipped out in fkn lifeboats!

    And what a fkn oxymoron … Scott Morrison and Social Services!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-territory/cabinet-reshuffle-tony-abbott-promotes-sussan-ley-to-health-david-johnston-axed/story-fnn3gfdo-1227163359254

  8. December 21, 2014 5:58 pm

    Kudos to Der Blogmeister! Arbeit Macht Wunderbar!

    And to the ‘hardcore’ remaining contributors.

    More of a yelling-chamber than an echo-chamber…and the only one I’d participate in and endorse.

    An interesting 2015 ahead in politics. The pendulum is currently exhibiting a high velocity swing back in the other direction.

  9. December 21, 2014 5:59 pm

    You do realise that’s not Kamahl? right, TB.

  10. December 21, 2014 6:42 pm

    Merry Xmas, Kntz.

  11. December 21, 2014 6:43 pm

    No need to capitalise the ‘x’.

  12. December 21, 2014 6:50 pm

    There’s no christ in xhristmas.

    Only the truly deluded think it’s actually that potentially mythological, certainly not supernatural, arguably never-existent historical figure’s ‘birthday’.

    Just another anniversary & festival appropriated by Big Religion over the centuries.

  13. December 21, 2014 6:51 pm

    Whatever, scrooge.

  14. December 21, 2014 6:52 pm

    It would be less hilarious, but of similar credible substance, to deceive one’s small children into believing in the Santa Claus(e)…and I didn’t do that either.

  15. December 21, 2014 6:53 pm

    Scrooge my arse.

    $mas costs me plenty.

    I don’t need to ride the fairytaletrain to be generous.

  16. December 21, 2014 6:53 pm

    FOTY, apparently. 🙄

  17. December 21, 2014 6:55 pm

    (There’s a difference between Uncle Scrooge and Ebenezer Scrooge.)

  18. December 21, 2014 6:55 pm

    Don’t make me consult urban dictionary to translate that! 😉

  19. December 21, 2014 6:57 pm

    I presume I’m being accused of being the one which ‘ruins’ $mas?

    If so…oh well. Give me reality over annual wankathons anyday.

    I’m not sure I agree that being honest about something ‘ruins’ it, either. 😉

  20. December 21, 2014 7:00 pm

    One should never (ass)presume anything,

    Mine was a Dickens reference. Take from it what you will.

  21. December 21, 2014 7:03 pm

    Ah, ok…so now my parenthood is being slimed.

    By having been honest & raising a balanced, well adjusted young person who’s more tolerant and far less vacuous than 90% of the youth you’re likely to meet.

    Dammit, I knew I shoulda just laid on the fabrications & created a saccharine environment.

  22. December 21, 2014 7:04 pm

    “Take from it what you will.”

    I am familiar with it, and the sentiment which regularly accompanies it.

    * Dickens wrote “whatever”?! I must know the ‘abridged’ version.

  23. December 21, 2014 7:05 pm

    “Ah, ok…so now my parenthood is being slimed.”

    Not reeally. It was your righeoutness that was being slimed, actually.

  24. December 21, 2014 7:06 pm

    *righteousness

  25. December 21, 2014 7:08 pm

    Your current thought processes lead me to believe you’re inebriated. That’s okay, though, ’cause so am I.

  26. December 21, 2014 7:08 pm

    FFS, can’t we have one fkn thread without a fkn argument!

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 7:14 pm

    You do realise that’s not Kamahl? right, TB.

    Absolutely! JM had a massive impact on my singing … he’s a cool dude, dude!

    Just another anniversary & festival appropriated by Big Religion over the centuries.

    Actually nicked by the xristians …

    $mas costs me plenty.

    Whew! You were sounding like a JW for a sec there!

    far less vacuous than 90% of the youth you’re likely to meet

    Compare her “outlook” to certain commenters here? (Same result, methinks)

    Anyway, I like the concept of christmas not the hijack by the pope’s lot … just as I like the concept of the ten commandments … something else the pope’s lot nicked …

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 7:16 pm

    FFS, can’t we have one fkn thread without a fkn argument!

    Yeah, sreb! It’s the festive season! Ban ToSY! Miserable Mexican! 🙂

  29. December 21, 2014 7:17 pm

    “The Pope’s Lot”. Xmas Bigot.

  30. December 21, 2014 7:25 pm

    Apologies if I was seeming un-gracious, poorly intentioned or argumentative.

    I should have stuck to my initial comment.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:03 pm

    “The Pope’s Lot”. Xmas Bigot.

    Nah … wrong … I like christmas (fkn C!) … close, but … 😈

    These smileys are shite! And if you read the comments they must all have been paid, high, or family!

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:09 pm

    I like the season of goodwill, friendship, big family gatherings and people taking a much needed break from work to recharge and unwind however they like – the christ thing I’ll have nothing to do with.

    Happy festivus [for the rest of us] to one and all!

    ❤ ❤ ❤

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:13 pm

  34. December 21, 2014 8:14 pm

    FFS, can’t we have one fkn thread without a fkn argument!

    OK lets have some egg nog

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:14 pm

  36. egg permalink
    December 21, 2014 8:44 pm

    All the best comrades.

  37. Meta permalink
    December 21, 2014 10:23 pm

    (We are, I suspect, in a way more like a home for the infirm, or those of unsound mind.

    I couldn’t possibly comment on that; but, I will say, it’s not Xmas without a-carolling.

    Otherwise, happy holiday season one and all; for those who will be having a break, enjoy; and for those who will be toiling so others may, many thanks.)

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2014 10:28 pm

    For HD

  39. December 22, 2014 9:27 am

    just in time for christmas…

    A driver shouting “God is great” in Arabic has run down pedestrians in the French city of Dijon, injuring 11, two seriously, French media say.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30571911?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:36 am

    Merry Christmas to all and many thanks to our long-suffering host.

  41. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:33 am

    Yes, hope everyone has a good break, and comes back refreshed and invigorated for another year of bitchin’ and moanin’

    And thanx reb for givin’ us a bitchin’ and moanin’ platform 😉

  42. December 22, 2014 4:44 pm

    Salvation Army’s reputation declines after child sex abuse inquiry hearings:

    Among the allegations were claims boys were dragged from their beds and raped in homes in NSW and Queensland, and that children at a Sydney home were “rented out” to strangers who sexually abused them in the 1960s and ’70s.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-22/salvation-army-reputation-declines-after-child-sex-abuse-inquiry/5983508

  43. December 22, 2014 6:51 pm

    Merry $mas to The snacty Lurker!

    🙂

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2014 10:06 pm

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/12/21/hark-the-herald/#comment-89047

    ditto

    Another year of trash talk, and what a year it’s been! Thanks for your efforts all year round reb, we love you too

  45. December 24, 2014 7:39 am

    Thank youse all..

    I’m about to head to the airport to board a flight to Penang.

    Jetstar “business class” – the business class you fly when you’re not really flying business class.

    Have a great christmas eve and christmas day everybodies……. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  46. December 24, 2014 9:22 am

    Happy happy everyone. 🙂

  47. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2014 9:37 am

    “”Jetstar “business class” – the business class you fly when you’re not really flying business class””

    At least its not Malaysian Air business class which gets you gate priority to Heaven or Hell whichever is ya destination.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2014 12:54 pm

    Merry Christmas from Tom, Fifi, Lulu and Tom Jnr!

  49. December 24, 2014 2:13 pm

    Yeah, we got some relatives staying.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2014 3:06 pm

    I’m hoping to get away from it all by the coast for a week or 2…

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2014 3:12 pm

    Surfing is also a great way to get away and relax, particularly at this time of year…

    http://static.squarespace.com/static/52437395e4b0a6b4ebaac892/t/5390d949e4b08b853c1ba8f5/1402001744714/

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2014 3:14 pm

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2014 4:04 pm

    Some of us have to work ToM …

    Speaking of which … thanks KL … (I read your working over Christmas – hope you catch up later) …

    I received from Tony Abbott this morning …

    Dear TB,

    Mostly Christmas is a joyous time – but it can be a sad time too and this year we are thinking of those families who have lost loved ones.

    This is a time to reach out – to those who have had a difficult year, as well as those who, for whatever reason, are doing it tough.

    The community Christmas lunches, the wishing trees and the hampers remind us that true joy at Christmas comes from giving.

    Christmas brings us all together. It is a time to relax and recharge; to reflect and resolve; to count our blessings and to make the most of our opportunities.

    You can watch my Christmas video message here.

    From our family to yours: Merry Christmas.

    Regards,

    Tony Abbott
    Prime Minister

    And right on his heels …

    G’day TB,

    At the end of a big year, I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

    I hope you get the chance to celebrate with your friends and loved ones over a delicious meal.

    Personally, I’m looking forward to some relaxing time with my family – and a whole new supply of jokes from the Christmas crackers.

    At this time of year, we think of all those Australians who won’t get the chance to spend Christmas with the people they love.

    The men and women in our defence force, stationed around the world.

    Our emergency services personnel, our ambos, fireys, nurses and police, working through the day and night to keep us safe.

    And the heroes who don’t wear a uniform – Australians working unsociable hours to make ends meet and make our community a better place.

    And finally, as we give thanks for how lucky we are, let’s think of everyone who will go without this Christmas. Let’s think of the people who are doing it tough – here in Australia and around the world.

    And let’s all try and do something to bring a little bit of Christmas cheer into their lives, to make their 2015 better than 2014.

    Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year,

    Bill

    These letters actually tell you a lot about the character of the people who wrote them … I can only assume that both men edited and approved them of course …

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2014 4:27 pm

    TB, I got this from Bill!! It seems that he didn’t personalise the message-

    G’day Tom,

    At the end of a big year, I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

    I hope you get the chance to celebrate with your friends and loved ones over a delicious meal.

    Personally, I’m looking forward to some relaxing time with my family – and a whole new supply of jokes from the Christmas crackers.

    At this time of year, we think of all those Australians who won’t get the chance to spend Christmas with the people they love.

    The men and women in our defence force, stationed around the world.

    Our emergency services personnel, our ambos, fireys, nurses and police, working through the day and night to keep us safe.

    And the heroes who don’t wear a uniform – Australians working unsociable hours to make ends meet and make our community a better place.

    And finally, as we give thanks for how lucky we are, let’s think of everyone who will go without this Christmas. Let’s think of the people who are doing it tough – here in Australia and around the world.

    And let’s all try and do something to bring a little bit of Christmas cheer into their lives, to make their 2015 better than 2014.

    Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year,

    Bill

    But I also got a video message too…

  55. December 24, 2014 4:41 pm

    Neither of them wrote to me. (Hopefully that means they don’t have my email address.)

    Nevertheless, being the kind and caring person I am, here’s my Christmas message for our PM and our wannabe PM.
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  56. December 24, 2014 4:42 pm

  57. egg permalink
    December 24, 2014 6:27 pm

    Its rumored that Jesus had a sardonic wit, but it cannot be verified.

  58. egg permalink
    December 24, 2014 6:31 pm

    And in reality his features were less classic.

  59. December 24, 2014 9:44 pm

  60. December 24, 2014 9:52 pm

    People who work in hotels always have interesting stories to tell. One time in Penang I asked the bell boy what sort of things people try to steal. Hotels are unique in that the first thing people do when they walk in the front door is try to steal everything.

    I’ve occasionally swiped a face cloth or soap but draw the line at bathrobes and electrical appliances.

    So imagine my surprise when I asked the bell boy what was the weirdest thing he ever saw someone try to steal… He said I’d never believe it, so I figured maybe it was a table lamp or at best a TV, and then he told me that one time he caught a couple in the lift trying to pass unnoticed smuggling a king size mattress out thru the lobby.

    That takes a lot of gumption I thought.

    Apparently Arabs are the worst.

  61. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2014 11:31 pm

    I do hope Santa leaves lots of Coke under your tree

    The true story of the Santa you all know

    http://www.coca-colacompany.com/holidays/the-true-history-of-the-modern-day-santa-claus#TCCC

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2014 7:09 pm

    The true story of the Santa you all know

    Fuck … you’re so easily owned, Willie! 😆

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2014 7:10 pm

    BTW … I don’t actually “know” Santa … but I can understand why you think you do … ho ho ho

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2014 7:12 pm

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 26, 2014 10:30 am

    Happy Boxing Day!

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2014 1:56 pm

    Bloody hell, ToM! Did someone castrate you?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2014 10:09 am

    Would you like me to review that ToSY?

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2014 7:57 pm

    Workers look out first and foremost for their own careers. Even if they actually stay a long time with one employer, they frequently think about moving. When there is loyalty, it is usually limited to immediate colleagues, and contingent – as long as nothing goes too badly wrong and nothing better comes up.

    Employers are no more loyal. How could they be? They are more concerned about profits, costs or product quality than about building a community in the workplace. Bosses often talk about the importance of teams and commitment, but workers rarely believe them, for good reason.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2014/12/24/the-virtues-of-job-fidelity/

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2014 8:39 pm

    Good employers understand the importance of retaining good employees.
    _________
    It doesn’t get so crowded in the surf for a few days, currently it’s ideal for mature people who lack basic co-ordination

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2014 11:15 am

    Good employers understand the importance of retaining good employees.

    Indeed, ToM … just as good union representatives understand that it is in the best interests of their members to work with good employers and to enlighten the unedified ones …

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 28, 2014 12:47 pm

    “HO, HO, HO …

    Not for Australia. An ALP govt will only bring what all ALP govts bring.

    Increasing unemployment and increasing debt.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2014 2:38 pm

    Increasing unemployment and increasing debt.

    HO! HO! HO!

    Get yer head out of the hot, hairy and smelly place you keep it and have a look around … 🙄

  73. December 28, 2014 2:43 pm

    Not for Australia. An ALP govt will only bring what all ALP govts bring.
    Increasing unemployment and increasing debt.

    Squeals hypocrisy is laughable …

    Obviously this fucktard does not accept the reality of this divisive and incompetent government… which is the personification of exactly what lying fiberal fucktards accuse Labor of… Raising unemployment and debt.

    And this one meme flag waving postulating denialist wonders why people don’t take him seriously?… 🙄

    An excellent article from Alex Hamilton, not that Squeal would understand it. .

    http://alexhamilton.com.au/2014/12/26/tony-abbott-is-right-the-abc-is-biased/

  74. December 28, 2014 2:50 pm

    Hey TB just Ordered a DJi Phantom 2 Drone for the New Hero4 Black.
    In the process of Organising the Transmitters and receivers for remote flight vision.

    We also purchased the Black Magic Pocket and a new 21mm Ziess Distagon with a meta bones speed booster. Will post some footage in the new year 🙂

    here is that very rig…

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 28, 2014 3:00 pm

    I will say it again.

    The ALP only brings increasing unemployment and increasing debt. Just study your history.

    And yes, selling our humanitarian places which Howard used to give to people in UNHCR camps to anyone with $$$$$$$$$$10,000.

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 28, 2014 3:45 pm

    Looks like AIMN has banned me again.

    Does anybody know how you can make a post if you have been banned.

    I changed my email address by a single letter and i could post for a little while. Now it looks like i am banned no matter what i do to my email address.

  77. December 28, 2014 4:03 pm

    I will say it again.

    Thats all you do, you are a repetitive trolling bore…

    Looks like AIMN has banned me again..

    See above

    Does anybody know how you can make a post if you have been banned.

    Yes I do, but as I write articles there (something you are incapable of due to you limited repetitive political vocabulary) you can get fucked and disappear up your own ass fucktard.

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 28, 2014 4:27 pm

    Ricky

    Merry Christmas to you as well.

    I hope you have a prosperous and successful new year.

  79. December 28, 2014 4:43 pm

    Ricky
    Merry Christmas to you as well.
    I hope you have a prosperous and successful new year.

    Your insincerity is underwhelming and reverse physiological tactic predictably childish.

    In profiling this twat I have worked out he is incapable of accepting nor administering any constructive criticism of the Abbott government. That’s why he attaches his repetitive version of the past to every comment, he is effectively a denialist in denial limited to the simpletons partisan meme of others designed to derail discourse

  80. December 28, 2014 6:21 pm

    I’m in Koh Samui . It is raining heavily but you can get a mojito for $3.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2014 7:21 pm

    I’m in Koh Samui . It is raining heavily but you can get a mojito for $3.

    I’m in Brisbane. It has been raining heavily but you can get a bottle of Bowlers Run Sauvignon Semillon Blanc for $3 – too!

    Enjoy, sreb …

  82. December 28, 2014 10:24 pm

  83. December 29, 2014 9:16 am

    “MICHAEL EDWARDS: Malaysia says it is sending Naval ships and a C130 aircraft to help with the search. While Singapore had also sent a C130. Australia has also offered its help.

    “It’s the third major plane crash involving an Asian carrier this year. Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has yet to be found and Flight MH17 from the same airline exploded over Ukraine in July killing 298 people.”

    Spontaneous combustion, probably.

  84. egg permalink
    December 29, 2014 10:37 am

    I heard it stalled in an updraft, as the plane struggled to climb the storm, and there was nothing the skipper could do to rectify the situation.

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2014 12:35 pm

    Why don’t we have some kind of ‘insider trading’ rule for politicians and their insiders who cash in big on planned party policy. This is why australian politics is permanently corrupt and corrupted – their snouts are always in the trough first.

    …A trust associated with Mr Kroger is among the vendors of 15 childcare centres sold into Think Childcare and Education, which is set to list on the ASX next week in a bid to cash in on the booming industry.

    Think, which is attempting to raise $22m from investors, plans to pay Mr Kroger and the other childcare centre owners a total of $13.9m in cash…

    …The childcare industry has proved a happy hunting ground for Mr Kroger, who in 2002 was at the centre of a bonanza that saw three childcare centre groups on the ASX in quick succession, making their backers and shareholders instant millionaires…

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2014 1:10 pm

    Difference between white and black in the US
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/two-men-shoot-up-walmart-threaten-customers-with-bb-gun-arent-shot-by-police-for-some-reason/

  87. egg permalink
    December 29, 2014 1:28 pm

    The new Maglev travels at 500 kph and the Japanese reckon its cheaper to run the line underground.

    Just sayin’

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2014 2:18 pm

    There’s not much of a separation between cops and criminals.

    The real frank serpico:
    The Police Are Still Out of Control, I should know.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VKDHysAKA

    New Hampshire police chief will face no charges for soliciting nude photos from college student:
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/new-hampshire-police-chief-will-face-no-charges-for-soliciting-photos-from-college-st

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2014 4:30 pm

    “Flight MH17 from the same airline exploded over Ukraine “

    Well, that’s probably a fair explanation to some, because apparently you can’t blame the people that shot the missile at that passenger aircraft.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2014 4:32 pm

    …and perhaps the commentator (Michael Edwards) means “aircraft” not “airline”

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2014 5:56 pm

    … because apparently you can’t blame the people that shot the missile at that passenger aircraft.

    Judge ToM Dredd … from the world of black and white … a simple life leads to simple thoughts … but I don’t have any “real” evidence for that …

    But perhaps you have a link for yours?

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2014 6:19 pm

    I’m only referring to (what I consider to be) one of the most stupid, irrational, heartless comments I’ve seen on a blog.

    And that was when Teabagz said – you can’t blame the people that shot the missile at that passenger aircraft.

    Unsurprising really.
    ——-
    But I’m going out for a meal, some red and tomorrow back to the coast.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2014 8:16 pm

    First – does anyone have evidence of a missile? (Only shrapnel holes in the nose as I understand – it could have been AAA ** – but there is no evidence)

    Second – in a warzone anyone could have fired, accidentally, misfired, misunderstood and order, or believed the airliner was a threat.

    Third – while there was no ban on flying over the warzone (and they do shift) other airlines made the intelligent risk management decision to fly around Ukraine not across it – although it increased fuel costs – them $$$$ rear their ugly heads again … *

    Fourth – never underestimate our own (the West) ability to wage a propaganda and economic war …

    Fifth – enjoy your meal and red …

    * The point I think RP was attempting (crudely, I agree) to make … ie had the plane not been there – no-one could have shot at it intentionally or accidentally … surely your familiar with removing the prime cause in your OH&S experiences?

    *** Anti Aircraft Artillery

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2014 8:42 pm

    Its not the article that’s fascinating … but the comments!

    Abbott points to the recent ministerial reshuffle as a sign of good things to come in 2015.

    “Every day I’m trying to be the best prime minister I can be, my ministers are trying to be the best they can be, and collectively we’re trying to be the best government we can be,” Abbott said.

    Abbott will go on leave from early January, leaving deputy prime minister Warren Truss to hold the fort until his return.

    And this of course …

    Newspoll surveys show support for the Coalition has tumbled from nearly 46% at the last federal election to 37% now. Primary support for Labor is up five points to 38%.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/29/tony-abbott-says-2014-always-going-to-be-difficult-for-coalition

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2014 10:49 pm

    TB, it’s no use seeking to excuse people who shoot missiles at aircraft for the consequences of the missile hitting it.

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2014 10:01 am

    Just into my inbox ….

    A man suffered a serious heart attack while shopping in a store.
    The store clerk called 999 when they saw him collapse to the floor.

    The paramedics rushed the man to the nearest hospital where he had emergency open heart bypass surgery.

    He awakened from the surgery to find himself in the care of nuns at the Catholic Hospital.
    A nun was seated next to his bed holding a clipboard loaded with several forms, and a pen.
    She asked him how he was going to pay for his treatment.
    “Do you have health insurance?” she asked.

    He replied in a raspy voice, “No health insurance.”

    The nun asked, “Do you have money in the bank?”

    He replied, “No money in the bank.”

    Do you have a relative who could help you with the payments?” asked the irritated nun.
    He said, ”I only have a spinster sister and she is a nun.”

    The nun became agitated and announced loudly, “Nuns are not spinsters! Nuns are married to God.”

    The patient replied, “Perfect. Send the bill to my brother-in-law.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TB, it’s no use seeking to excuse people who shoot missiles at aircraft for the consequences of the missile hitting it.

    I’m not seeking to excuse anyone anything … but its silly to fly commercial aircraft over war zones … where there is the possibility of high probability of missiles in the air …

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2014 10:23 am

    …and the point is that passengers were killed and the reason they were killed is that some people successfully fired a missile at the aircraft they were in

    Other factors increased the risk but didn’t cause the hundreds of deaths

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2014 2:56 pm

    Other factors increased the risk but didn’t cause the hundreds of deaths

    I hope you don’t investigate industrial accidents?

    The missiles were known to be there, the conflict had been going for some time, other airlines flew aircraft “around” the warzone … take the plane away and …

  99. December 30, 2014 7:51 pm

    Tom what is your point?? So its perfectly acceptable for an airline to fly over a war zone where there is heavy artillery flying about willy nilly and you consider that soldiers should stop what they are doing so the fucktards who are running said airline can make an commercial economic decision of deadly consequence? These fuckwits running the airline can totally absolve themselves of duty of care for the sake of saving on fuel?

    Good luck with that one mate…

    One must ask 3 Malaysian Jets in 6 months? No Alarm bells?

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2014 9:27 pm

    Have to say that I agree with TB and ricky ToM. Why would anyone who values their asset, their staff and their clients, fly them into the most dangerous of flight zones?

    It defies all responsible corporate management. I would hope that the relatives can sue the airline for the deaths of loved ones.

    You seem to think that war should be some kind of gentlemen’s agreement – stop when innocent civilians come near and then start blasting again when safe to do so.

    We all know the reality to be very much different, many innocents get killed in war, they are known as ‘collateral damage’.aren’t they?

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2014 9:45 pm

    It’s a simple point.

    Those who fired the missile are responsible for it hitting the aircraft and killing all the passengers.

    Other factors, such as flight path, increased the risk but didn’t cause the missile to be fired.

    Teabagz was unable or unwilling to understand this, I’m surprised that TB, RP and AO can’t.

  102. egg permalink
    December 30, 2014 9:50 pm

    There is little doubt, Putin is directly responsible for supplying idiots with missiles.

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2014 10:02 pm

    It’s a simple point.
    Those who fired the missile are responsible for it hitting the aircraft and killing all the passengers…

    So, using your logic, australian soldiers and therefore australia are directly responsible for any deaths and injuries they cause to others through their military endeavours?

    Funny, I’ve never heard anyone say that.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2014 10:08 pm

    scott morrison and his underlings should also be in the hague answering for their crimes then

    …or

    are you saying the soldiers who shot down the plane are personally responsible and not the people who give the orders?

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2014 10:34 pm

    There is little doubt,

    you know this how?

    Putin is directly responsible for supplying idiots with missiles.

    russia, china and the usa have supplied most of the world with missiles and the equipment to fire and carry them, I hope they are all held to the same standard. I haven’t noticed a lot of rage about the american, british, aussie and israeli idiots using drones and dropping bombs that kill innocents.

  106. December 30, 2014 11:12 pm

    Was it a Missile? Who fired it? That shit is pretty easily determined… that is if it did happen deliberately or not as a consequence of some fucking corporate imbecile flying a passenger jet through an active war zone recklessly endangering the lives of the passengers and those on the ground.
    If it was deliberate then the perps would have taken responsibility for it, which is why it is so fucking fishy…
    Like Building 7 The information and evidence wrapped in the mediated explanation just dont fly so to speak…

    You are not privy to the facts and are only speculating, Its just not available.
    No footage, No flight recorders, No irrefutable forensic evidentiary proof…
    Just shirt fronting and finger pointing..

    My guess is America is neck deep in the whole mess.
    So how you could act like you think you understand this is just ridiculous…

    These people fighting on the ground get their arms and amo on the open market of which America and Israel is the largest player by a long shot….
    I’m not supporting Putin or blaming anyone…
    It , like that plane in the water and the two lost just recently are still a mystery.

    The company operating that jet is guilty of criminal negligence in the first instance for reckless endangerment, that is an undeniable and irrefutable fact.

  107. December 30, 2014 11:13 pm

    Happy New Year Trashers,
    l hope ya`all had a safe and `merry` xmas, (sorry to send you xmas greetz so late, as l`ve been quite busy off-line)

    ”””to eat, drink and be mary””” #sure, be mary, be nancy, be anybody you want! #nttawwt

  108. Meta permalink
    December 30, 2014 11:13 pm

    (Doing the rounds: Thai Fireworks Are Badass.)

  109. December 30, 2014 11:36 pm

    (Doing the rounds: Thai Fireworks Are Badass.)

    Uncanny

  110. December 30, 2014 11:48 pm

    l see our cocooned tinfoil cubicle dweller is still misrepresenting `my` previous comments and making a continued arse-hat of himself while kneeling in front of the boardroom zipper.

    Last TV news-grab l heard, Ukraine military jet shot down #mh17, now l guess we get to watch yomm wiggle and back-peddle now, just as teh-west`s position could be wrong, the language (anti-russia, tewwawist, murderers) which teh-west were so keen to use to try and belt the `real-deal` over the head with. (ie-the stuff yomm swallowed)

    #Unlike yomm, team-idiot and `teh-west` who will more than likely go silent or start flip-floppin`, my view hasn`t changed, l don`t care which jumpy ground-crew, rebels of military OF ANY SIDE fired weapons in/over a battlefield,

    # Half-wit boardroom/s should never have put `their` passengers in danger by flying them over/thru/via KNOWN HOT BATTLE-FIELDS IN THE FIRST PLACE. #teabag

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2014 7:00 am

    I want to make the point that ‘the west’ no longer has any moral authority when it comes to pointing fingers at others. Everyone knows that ever since guantanomo, renditions, outsourcing military and torture by the west [and allies], against the geneva conventions, they can no longer take the high road, others can also throw the rule book away.

  112. egg permalink
    December 31, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘Funny, I’ve never heard anyone say that.’

    In cases of collateral damage the Australian government has been known to pay compensation to the families of those inadvertently beamed up.

  113. egg permalink
    December 31, 2014 7:56 am

    ‘Once the surviving pilot got out of the plane, he looked “very frightened.”

    ‘The Ukrainian pilot’s first words as he got out of the jet were: “Wrong plane,” the alleged witness claimed. Later in the evening that same pilot also reportedly stated: “The plane happened to be in the wrong place at a wrong time.”

    UK Mail

  114. December 31, 2014 8:51 am

    “are you saying the soldiers who shot down the plane are personally responsible and not the people who give the orders?”

    That question has been asked before …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

  115. December 31, 2014 9:55 am

    “So, using your logic, australian soldiers and therefore australia are directly responsible for any deaths and injuries they cause to others through their military endeavours?

    “Funny, I’ve never heard anyone say that.”

    I’ve heard it said. Not that I agree, necessarily.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2014 11:37 am

    Teabagz was unable or unwilling to understand this, I’m surprised that TB, RP and AO can’t.

    By your logic, letting little kids play on the motorway isn’t a responsibility of the parents but the drivers …

    Its like blaming the shark if one attacks you in the ocean … (thought that might make a bit more sense to you) …

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 12:14 pm

    Teabagz I’d such a f**kwit

    He previously said -you can’t blame the people who fired the missile

    Now he’s looking for alternative missile firers to blame. He’s clearly a senseless obfuscating f**kwit.
    _______
    Using stupid analogies doesn’t do much for your proposition TB

  118. Meta permalink
    December 31, 2014 12:43 pm

    (Kind(s) of causation(s), and mental schematics purporting to ultimately determine the (un)reason of/for an event, might seem (un)controversial enough, one almost might say.)

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2014 1:52 pm

    Using stupid analogies doesn’t do much for your proposition TB

    You obviously don’t understand Risk Management principles either …

    Here’s another stupid analogy … if a bloke goes to a brothel uses a union credit card to enter and he knows that some of the girls have STD/I … and he is infected is it the girl’s fault or the bloke’s?

    Just askin’ …

    (In the analogy the bloke is Malaysian Airlines and the prostitute is the missile firer – just to make it simpler for you …)

    The first stage of risk management is to eliminate the risk completely … eg fly around the fkn warzone … but some Risk Managers are twisted by $$$$$$ and risk lives in the scrabble for $$$$$ – look up Ford Pinto … no here’s the impoirtnat bit …

    Critics alleged that the vehicle’s lack of reinforcing structure between the rear panel and the fuel tank meant the tank would be pushed forward and punctured by the protruding bolts of the differential[16] — making the car less safe than its contemporaries.

    According to a 1977 Mother Jones article by Mark Dowie, Ford allegedly was aware of the design flaw, refused to pay for a redesign, and decided it would be cheaper to pay off possible lawsuits. The magazine obtained a cost-benefit analysis that it said Ford had used to compare the cost of repairs (Ford estimated the cost to be $11 per car) against the cost of settlements for deaths, injuries, and vehicle burnouts . The document became known as the Ford Pinto Memo.[17][14][18]

    An example of a Pinto rear-end accident that led to a lawsuit was the 1972 accident resulted in the court case Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Co.,[19] in which the California Court of Appeal for the Fourth Appellate District upheld compensatory damages of $2.5 million and punitive damages of $3.5 million against Ford, partially because Ford had been aware of the design defects before production but had decided against changing the design.

    Ya see, taking risks with other people’s lives (as Malaysian Airlines did) is often false economy (check the payout) … many of the large companies have learned that to their detriment (BHP and Ok Tedi – James Hardie and asbestos) – smaller businesses just go bankrupt and disappear …

    As RP mentioned above duty of care to the passengers falls is the responsibility of Malaysian Airlines – a simple test is that the passengers paid for tickets and Malaysian then accepted responsibility for their welfare … the alleged missile firer was fighting a fkn war …

  120. egg permalink
    December 31, 2014 1:56 pm

    Schemata is a fine word, so when they discover the plane was shot down by friendly fire it will be readily accepted by all parties. Egg on faces.

  121. December 31, 2014 2:19 pm

    ”””Teabagz I’d such a f**kwit”””
    # boo-hoo-hoo, big bad bagz has given me another sound thrashing, now l`m reduced to ad-homs, youtubes, pictures and strike_thru`s as l don`t have any real point of existence away from the `corporate-zipper`

    .

    ”””He previously said”””
    ””you can’t blame the people who fired the missile””#wrong

    .

    ””Now he’s looking for alternative missile firers to blame.””#WRONG-AGAIN
    # l`ve always blamed highly negligent and reckless boardroom/s flying over hot battle-fields, the ””missile-firers”” argument has always been the corporate personal fluffers argument.

    .

    ”””He’s clearly a senseless obfuscating f**kwit.”””
    # The only ”’senseless obfuscating”’fcukwit, without a sound argument, based on modern technology, of both aircraft and weapons, and ignoring responsibility to passenger-safety `and` owner-interest, is `our` very-own Tinfoil Cubicle Dweller. #teabag

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2014 2:31 pm

    I thought TB’s kids on the freeway analogy was extremely apt 😉

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 2:33 pm

    Immediately after the tragedy Teabagz posted – you can’t blame those that fired the missile.

    Today he’s posting speculation blaming other missile firers, then he’s denying blaming alternative missile firers

    FITH

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 2:39 pm

    If there’s a crazed drunk driver careering down the road at 200 km an hour, running a red light and knocks over the pedestrian who stepped on to the road, who is to blame TB?

    The pedestrian for not being more cautious or the negligent diver?

    That is the more realistic road fatality analogy.

  125. December 31, 2014 3:31 pm

    ””after the tragedy Teabagz posted””#WRONG-yet-again
    #scroll up dill, l re-posted ya`favorite tweet, stop quoting wrongly

    .

    ””””The first stage of risk management is to eliminate the risk completely … eg fly around the fkn warzone”””’

    # and then reduce as many risk-factors as possible, which is all beyond yomm, he will never comprehend some of the greatest risk-factors to business, particularly airline-business, is boardroom/s terrible decisions, malaysia-air will now go down the gurgler due to its boardroom losing TWO aircraft, mh17 is definitely boardroom fault, not workers, not onions, as they didn`t put the plane on/over battle-field

    .

    ”””By your logic, letting little kids play(#with their toys) on the motorway isn’t a responsibility of the parents but the drivers””’#agree-perfect-analogy-actually (for the dills benefit, motorway=warzone and `little-kids`=boardroom and toys=mh17)

  126. December 31, 2014 3:42 pm

    Also for the dills benefit, parents=regulators and drivers=somebody-else

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 3:55 pm

    wrongly blame Warriors and Weapon Suppliers

    What a f**kwit. Warriors and those that make their fortune out of supplying them aren’t to blame when the they fire a missile at a civilian aircraft and kill everyone on board

    FITH

  128. December 31, 2014 4:16 pm

    you really are a highly cocooned creature aren`t`ya, not even bright enough to `de-construct` a simple 140-or-less tweet! Keep bleating. When l de-construct it for`ya, you `may` see what a fool you`ve been.

    by the way

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2014 5:51 pm

    I thought TB’s kids on the freeway analogy was extremely apt

    Me too, Kl … 🙂

  130. Meta permalink
    December 31, 2014 6:43 pm

    (Meanwhile, going forward, and quite possibly also extending back, in(to) problem-solving world, at the civil(ian) level, it’s probably a more than fairish bet that respective regulators now know very well to issue a mandatory ‘take detour’ directive generally, to all boardrooms and to all drivers which/who demonstrably have proven, and otherwise might still prove, a little or a lot less than capable of ‘scanning ahead for hazards’ and/or ‘driving according to prevailing road conditions’ on their own, and in proximity to ‘orangey-red zones’ where ‘air superiority’ is encountering ‘active resistance’.

    Maybe, too, that’s why legalists like Jerry Skinner et al. tend to broadly consider Malaysia, Malaysia Airlines, Ukraine, Russia, and other actors, as all being potential parties, and likely contributors, to civil remediation efforts.

    The alleged war crime, of course, might well be another, closely-(un)related and (in)separable, matter; and one which might proceed via (non-)overlapping conceptual/jurisdictional (air)space.

    Or, something like that.)

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 7:01 pm

    It’s not the fault of the people firing the missiles. Or those supplying those “warriors”. It’s not their fault the missile they fired at a civilian aircraft hit it and killed everyone.

    FITH

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2014 7:02 pm

    Not as good as my analogy TB

  133. December 31, 2014 7:29 pm

    (For Certain, Jerry Skinner is a smart cookie with a history of doing good deeds well. Let`s just hope for the sake of the tragically affected, Jerry doesn`t jump-the-gun on this issue, and follows the evidence.

    ””””””The witness,[#ukrainian] who was not named, worked at an airfield in the Ukrainian city of Dnipropetrovsk where he claimed to have seen a warplane take off on July 17 with air-to-air missiles and return without them.

    An Investigative Committee statement said the testimony of the man “is important proof that Ukrainian military was implicated in the crash of the Boeing-777”.

    Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-24/russia-claims-new-proof-ukraine-involved-in-downing-of-mh17/5988140
    ”””””””””””””””””””

    # l notice this is not being discussed as `loudly` by team-imbecile or teabag-media at the moment, with `some` reporting from AJ and France24 on sbs1. lt`s on my watch-list, lets see if it has legs.)

  134. egg permalink
    December 31, 2014 8:30 pm

    ‘Or, something like that.’

    Good catch Meta.

    ‘The German mother of one victim filed a lawsuit against Ukraine with the European Court of Human Rights over the tragedy on Sunday, demanding $1 million from the government for negligent homicide, according to AFP. The suit argues that Ukraine is responsible for the tragedy because it didn’t close the airspace over embattled eastern Ukraine.’

    International Business Times

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2015 9:12 am

    Don’t blame the people who fire the missiles…

    Meanwhile you post speculation promoting blaming one side for firing the missile.

    If proof of your f**kwittery was required, it’s here

  136. Meta permalink
    January 1, 2015 10:29 am

    (You know how it goes, 7:30; sure, Dutch victims’ families right now might be openly criticising the fantastic official investigation to-date for being a botched and intransparent effort, best turned over to the independent UN; and sure it may have taken until recently to bring Malaysia completely onboard with the official inquiry, given that it was only able to secure earlyish return of the blackboxes and to organize initial access to the crash site, and given its perverse insistence on ‘neutrality’, then and ever since, vis-a-vis other outspoken national diplomacies, alignments, and investigatory concessions and intercessions; but, here, in Australia, seemingly the best we can do is to shirtfront, and otherwise to cosy up to a likely war criminal, on many, many grounds, with much pomp and ceremony; one who initially ‘helped’ by engineering the crash site as the hottest part of the de facto warzone despite agreeing to a humanitarian ceasefire, when not mysteriously authorizing the indiscriminate heavy-firing into a CBD and at the train-station where remains were awaiting transfer, even as some intrepid Aussie reporters were in town to witness the ‘difficult circumstances’; so, the full, impartial, transparent investigation, and continuing public calls for it, should, but probably won’t, go on; and so it goes.)

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 11:13 am

    Yeah, right … its all good …

    Dear TB,

    Right around the world, Australia is seen as a beacon of hope and opportunity.

    We should feel confident about our country and its prospects and while 2014 had its challenges, much was achieved.

    Our future will be stronger because of the difficult but necessary decisions taken last year.

    The Government’s priorities for 2015 will be to create more jobs, to reduce costs for families, to build roads, to strengthen national security and to create opportunity for all.

    You can watch my New Year video message here (http://youtu.be/puBaoWSNGjA) .

    This New Year’s Day, let us re-dedicate ourselves to building a better Australia – with more opportunity for everyone.

    Happy New Year Australia!

    Regards,

    Tony Abbott
    Prime Minister

  138. egg permalink
    January 1, 2015 11:41 am

    ‘to build roads’

    Definitely not rail, this is best kept secret until tenders are called.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 12:25 pm

    It’s not the fault of the people firing the missiles. Or those supplying those “warriors”.

    Well, has australia been blamed for any of the missile throwing and general mayhem and destruction they participated with in the middle east? Does anyone blame the soldiers [warriors] firing the missiles and those supplying them eg their armies and governments for any loss of life?

    I like how you can completely separate what ‘we’ do from what ‘they’ do and see some kind of moral difference.

    What happened when our own army had those ‘unfortunate incidents’ on our own soil when some of them got killed due to friendly fire and their own incompetence playing their war games? I don’t recall any manslaughter trials.

    and another thing:

    Did any of the planes that diverted to avoid the war zone get struck by a missile, killing all on board?

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 12:33 pm

    and to create opportunity for all

    just how do you plan to do that tony?

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 12:42 pm

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 12:51 pm

    Strong women strengthen us all so let’s hear it for the frightbats:
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/strong-women-strengthen-us-all-so-lets-hear-it-for-the-frightbats-20141231-12fvov.html

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 1:38 pm

    Netanyahu, was always trigger happy when he became PM in the ’90’s he was aggressive … and I predicted as much this time around … he’s certainly proved me right …

    The decision sets the stage for filing a war crimes case against Israel for its actions in Gaza. Israel’s President Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to take action following the announcement.

    The signed statute will now be passed to the UN’s secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, who will consider the application to join the ICC.

    While not guaranteed, legal experts think the process is likely to result in Palestinian membership being approved.

    “The one who needs to fear the International Criminal Court in The Hague is the Palestinian Authority, which has a unity government with Hamas, a terror organisation like [ISIL] which commits war crimes,” Netanyahu said in a statement.

    “Israel will respond and defend the soldiers of the IDF [the Israeli army] the most moral army in the world.

    “We will rebuff this effort to impose a diktat on us, just as we rebuffed the Palestinian efforts in the UNSC.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/12/palestinians-decide-join-icc-201412311710935422.html

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:28 pm

    http://johnquiggin.com/2014/12/31/catalyst-teaches-the-controversy/

  145. egg permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:30 pm

    ‘…just how do you plan to do that tony?’

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure…………

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:37 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/catholic-church-must-face-up-to-feminism-20141219-12a4i8.html

    …“We will rebuff this effort to impose a diktat on us, just as we rebuffed the Palestinian efforts in the UNSC.”…

    translated

    “With the help of our friends we expect to continue our economic and territorial oppression of palestine with impunity”

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:48 pm

    Well it looks like Lefties hate Israel.

    That is all the evidence i need that Israel is right.

    Lefties are attracted to every falsehood, every lie and everything that is false.

    PS- I have been banned from AIMN again. Micheal gets up and says nobody is banned but WordPress is the problem. The man is a liar. Michael does not like what i post so he bans me from posting but he tells his followers that it is WordPress that is causing the problems.

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:55 pm

    People may detest Joyce and his management crew at Qantas but they were one of the first airlines to fly around Ukraine. For all the cost cutting that’s been implemented, the management still put passenger safety as the first priority.

    As I’ve pointed out in the past, the decisions of Malaysian Airlines management increased the risk to passengers but their decisions did not cause the missile to be fired at the aircraft. It is stupid to blame Malaysian and seek to excuse those that shot a missile at a civilian aircraft.

    I can understand that level of mindless stupidity in Teabagz, he’s just a senseless troll, but not in any one else advocating that point.

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 2:58 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbotts-biggest-broken-promise–to-build-our-cities-well-20140421-zqx73.html

    …Pushing more knowledge workers into our city centre and in to each other is our best bet of producing more. Slow roads to the centre and a train system stretched beyond its limits slows that down. (As well as level crossings, replacing them with overpasses or underpasses turns out to be extraordinarily effective.) It is these things rather than “roads to nowhere” that’ll do the most to lift productivity and lift incomes.

    That’s what Infrastructure Australia would have told Tony Abbott if he had kept his one really worthwhile election promise and asked…

    http://anthonyalbanese.com.au/abbott-breaks-infrastructure-promise

    …A year later not a single infrastructure project created by the Coalition has begun and Mr Abbott continues to desperately seek credit for old infrastructure projects conceived and commenced by the previous Labor Government.

    The man who promised to have bulldozers at work on major projects within a year of being elected has produced nothing more than bulldust and broken promises…

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 3:25 pm

    As I’ve pointed out in the past, the decisions of Malaysian Airlines management increased the risk to passengers but their decisions did not cause the missile to be fired at the aircraft.

    It was poor civil aviation safety management by international authorities and the airline and international civil aviation authorities.

    The malaysian airlines decision didn’t just increase their risk, it’s decision has been shown to have directly cost people their lives. If they hadn’t flown over that warzone the passengers would be alive today. The management decided their budget was more important than their asset, their staff and their clients safety.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-compensation-could-hit-1nbspbillion-in-latest-disaster-for-malaysia-airlines/story-fnizu68q-1227000111037

    …International aviation accident attorney Floyd Wisner told news.com.au that Malaysia Airlines would struggle to prove it wasn’t negligent over MH17, which was shot down over rebel-held Ukraine last Thursday with 298 people on board.

    He said the families of the 38 Australian victims could seek financial compensation from Malaysia Airlines under the 1999 Montreal Convention.

    Mr Wisner, who has represented passengers and families in major aviation incidents for more than two decades, including the September 11 terror attacks, warned claims could take years to resolve.
    “Malaysia Airlines will be liable unless it can prove it took all necessary measures to avoid this loss,” he told news.com.au.
    “I do not believe Malaysia Airlines can meet this burden since it flew over a dangerous area…

    http://www.wired.com/2014/07/why-planes-fly-over-ukraine/

    …Pro-Russia separatists and Ukrainian forces have been fighting there for months. In the past few days, two Ukrainian military planes have been shot down in the region.

    So what was a passenger plane doing anywhere near the area? As it turns out, aviation authorities had addressed the Ukraine situation and taken precautions. They just didn’t think non-combatant planes flying at 33,000 feet were at risk…

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 3:28 pm

    “A year later not a single infrastructure project created by the Coalition has begun and Mr Abbott continues to desperately seek credit for old infrastructure projects conceived and commenced by the previous Labor Government.”

    TOOOOOOOOO funny. Albanese changed the name of the Howards govt AUSLINK program to Nationbuidlung program just to claim credit for a Howard govt program.

    Like all labor politicians ALBANESE is a liar.

    This from Peter Costello’s last budget.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/ministerial/html/dotars-31.htm

    AusLink 2

    The Australian Government will invest $22.3 billion in Australia’s land transport system from 2009–10 to 2013–14, under the second stage of its National Land Transport Plan—AusLink 2. AusLink 2 is the biggest investment in land transport infrastructure ever made by an Australian Government. It is 41 per cent larger than the current AusLink programme, which runs from 2004 to 2008–09. “

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 3:29 pm

    The firing of [and the blame game over who did the firing] the missile is not really that important in the scheme of things ToM, after all, it is to be expected in a warzone isn’t it?

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 3:43 pm

    By the way anybody who believes anything that Albanese says is as big a liar as Alabanese is.

    But Albanese is smart. He knows that no matter how big a lie he tells his supporters will believe what he says.

    And guess what?? He is right.

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 3:48 pm

    …Albanese changed the name of the Howards govt AUSLINK program to Nationbuidlung program just to claim credit for a Howard govt program.

    Credit, what for? A shonk.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media%2Fpressrel%2F8Q3I6%22

    …First, AusLink is solely concerned with freight transport.

    It doesn’t acknowledge, let alone address, the national government’s shared responsibility for improved passenger transport.

    Second, AusLink is silent on air and sea transport.

    Yet, as the figures that I quoted earlier demonstrate, these are both critical elements of our national freight transport system.

    Third, AusLink has failed to facilitate a national transport agenda.

    The Howard Government used Auslink funding to hold the states and territories to ransom – not to get better transport outcomes – but to realise its grubby industrial relations objectives.

    “Sign up to our IR policies or miss out” has been the message from Canberra.

    It is a message that exposes Auslink as sham national transport plan.

    I can only imagine the howls of outrage if the Keating Government had threatened to withdraw funding from Victoria unless the Kennett Government adopted Federal Labor’s industrial relations agenda.

    The same Victorian business leaders, commentators and Liberal MPs that have been silent on the Howard Government’s Auslink ransom would have denounced Federal Labor’s interference in the strongest possible terms.

    The Bracks Government signed the Auslink bilateral with the Commonwealth in May this year.
    In my view, it had very little choice.

    Of course, the Howard Government didn’t stop playing politics with transport funding when Victoria signed the Auslink agreement.

    It has continued politicking on Eastlink in an attempt to lift the Victorian Liberals from a position of utter irrelevance.

    Let me turn to the fourth key Auslink deficiency, one that lies at its very heart – its flawed funding model.

    The simple fact is the states and territories will be forced to pick up more and more of the national share transport funding share over time.

    Let’s look at road funding.

    Until the implementation of Auslink the Commonwealth was responsible for construction and maintenance work on the National Highway.

    Under AusLink the Howard Government has walked away from the Commonwealth’s responsibility to the National Highway network…

    Howard claimed credit for what hawke and keating set up. It is what they do in politics neil [both sides]

    http://www.ias.uwa.edu.au/new-critic/seven/howarddecade

    …During the 1996 campaign Paul Keating said: “The reason I want to win this election is because I am sure we have set this country up for a new golden age and I don’t want the political inheritance to fall to the Liberal Party.”4 This is exactly what happened. The 1996 election was an election to win…

    …Howard was aware that he followed Hawke and Keating as the third prime minister of Australia’s age of economic reform, an age inaugurated by the float of the dollar in 1983. He described the post-1983 reform age as resting upon five pillars – financial de-regulation, the dismantling of the tariff wall, industrial relations de-regulation, fiscal consolidation and tax reform. It is a convenient list because it enables Howard to claim credit for the final three pillars and to restrict Hawke and Keating to credit for the first two pillars. My view is that Labor’s contribution is considerably greater than Howard concedes…

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 4:06 pm

    TOO Funny

    So in 2005 the Labor Party condemns a Howard govt transport program.

    Well at least that is more than what you people do .You say Howard had no infrastructure plan.

    And it seems that you admit Alabanese is a liar. These things takes 5, 10 and sometimes 20 years to plan. Albanese was handed lots of stuff as i guess Abbott was also handed.

    But Albanese is telling lies.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 4:20 pm

    Weality Wake-up For Wille!

    Read it and chuckle …

    The Pirate Bay has been the most popular torrent site for the past decade, but on Dec. 9 the Swedish police force managed to raid the server room, shutting down the piracy site. What was marvelled as a big step towards beating piracy has had almost zero effect however, after six days piracy levels have returned back to 101 million, the same level before The Pirate Bay got shut down.

    http://news.filehippo.com/2014/12/shutdown-pirate-bay-effect-piracy-rates/

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 4:39 pm

    This post is interesting. I am posting it because you lot said Howard did not spend on infrastructure. This from 2004.

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1126584.htm

    Labor says the $12-billion Auslink land transport investment plan is a massive pork-barrelling exercise … says it’s aimed at maximising the Coalition’s re-election chances.

    The Government says that’s nonsense, and insists it’s a quality national infrastructure proposal – the equivalent of two Snowy Mountains Schemes.

    Alexandra Kirk reports from Canberra.

    ALEXANDRA KIRK: John Anderson has unveiled his big road and rail plan, more than two years in the making.

    JOHN ANDERSON: Nation-building infrastructure that will serve us well and our children well. Australians love infrastructure. They say � why don’t we do another Snowy Mountains Scheme? Well, the Snowy Mountains Scheme was six billion. In today’s money we’re talking here 12.7 over the next five years.”

    Albanese is tooooooo stupid to have his own ideas.
    The biggest worry is that people believe anything that Albanese says. I guess people believe what they want to believe.

  158. teabag.wm8j@gishpuppy.com permalink
    January 1, 2015 4:57 pm

    ””””PS- I have been banned from AIMN again.””””

    # Boo fcuking hoo

    # Nobody needs dcikhead in their coffee.

  159. Meta permalink
    January 1, 2015 5:13 pm

    (A friend might have told me that it’s kind of a shame that TPB was shut down, because there were ‘pirates’ uploading troves of all sorts of public domain, hi-res art history pictures, by-artist, by-era, by-style, by-theme, and by-gallery. Then again, that same friend might have mentioned something about all the art (history) books and (know-how) magazines, which probably were violating copyright. All ‘fugitive pigments’ now, I guess; even as those troves were/are still all available from any number of other back-up coves which ‘pirates’ are apt to (have) prepare(d). Or so an imaginary friend tells it.)

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 1, 2015 5:13 pm

    And the natural totalitarian speaks.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 5:26 pm

    I guess people believe what they want to believe.

    ‘Bout the only thing you’ve written today that’s honest … we’ve been reading your crap long enough to know that the sentence above certainly reflects on you … brightly …

    And the natural totalitarian speaks.

    You are obviously referring to the Abbott email I put up at , 11:13 am, this morning …

    And this …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/federal-government-changes-come-into-force-as-we-ring-in-2015/story-fnagkbpv-1227171666267

  162. egg permalink
    January 1, 2015 5:28 pm

    ‘…but he tells his followers that it is WordPress that is causing the problems.’

    Its the mark of the pseudo leftist scum (PLS)

  163. egg permalink
    January 1, 2015 5:36 pm

    Meta if you think of the interwebs as a big brain, its practically impossible to restrict the flow of information by closing down a few neurons.

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 6:06 pm

    But Albanese is smart. He knows that no matter how big a lie he tells his supporters will believe what he says.
    And guess what?? He is right.

    says the idiot savant of the liberal party propaganda unit

  165. teabag.wm8j@gishpuppy.com permalink
    January 1, 2015 6:20 pm

    (For Certain; many `Guffaws`

    ””’372 copies of the torrent site sprout after The Open Bay http://www.christiantoday.com/article/the.pirate.bay.updates.372.copies.of.the.torrent.site.sprout.after.the.open.bay/45102.htm ””’

    ””’The teardown, it seems, has been quite ineffective as tons of The Pirate Bay copies sprouted almost instantly.””’

    # and many more `Guffaws` to come.)

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2015 6:33 pm

    ROADS TO NOWHERE:
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/december/1417352400/paul-cleary/roads-nowhere

    …Road freight is expensive, dirty and dangerous. Why are our governments addicted to it?

    Earlier this year, the economic dries inside the Productivity Commission urged the federal government to back user-pays charges to fund Abbott’s infrastructure utopia. In the case of roads, this would mean charging vehicles for the distance they travel, and possibly for the congestion they cause. Abbott categorically dismissed the idea, saying he doubted whether any government in Australia would be brave enough to introduce such a system…

    …Two key reforms would give Australia a less costly, less dangerous and more climate-friendly freight system, and they are related. The first is distance-based charging for heavy vehicles, and the second is the construction of an inland rail line between Melbourne and Brisbane, which would avoid Sydney’s notorious congestion and the 19th-century coastal rail line…

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 7:09 pm

    Australia is the most backward country in the world when it comes to railways … and the most suited … I guess we do get the politicians (and now I’m thinking the public servants) we deserve …

    Its the mark of the pseudo leftist scum (PLS)

    Says another banned from AIMN … very objective … we have spent some time reading your tory crap too, egg …

    Just what is a pseudo leftist … either you are or you aren’t …

    Playing silly buggers just because you think some long time commenters here … me included … don’t give a toss about comments at AIMN, won’t score you any points … and I’m sure the Blogmeister is chuckling at your amateurish attempts at revolution … while sipping his pina colada by the pool …

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2015 7:26 pm

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    This is the type of control of government the Rupert Murdoch Abbott government wants to see installed in Australia … the irony is that Abbott’s Tories are primarily monarchists and a further irony is that to be the head of state you have to be a protestant – more precisely Church of England … and in fact I probably have a better claim to the throne than the Windsors … at least my ancestry is British …

    It was founded by King George V by royal proclamation on 17 July 1917, when he changed the name of the British Royal Family from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a branch of the House of Wettin) to the English Windsor, due to the anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I

    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/jeb-bush-resigns-from-board-memberships-to-prepare-for-presidency-run/story-fnh81jut-1227172035851

    Life really is a fkn farce … nothing changes … the rich get greedier at the expense of the poorer … the royal family Windsors (The Firm) is no different to the septic tank dynasties eg BUSH!

    And the flags wave and the cameras click and the plebs cheer, fawn, doff their hats, bow, curtsey and tug their fkn forelocks … its so fkn sad …

  169. egg permalink
    January 1, 2015 7:34 pm

    From Kitty’s link…

    ‘Nevertheless, the proposed inland rail line would create Australia’s first fully-fledged freight hub in the NSW city of Parkes, which is where the new line would intersect with the Sydney–Perth line. Other hubs could emerge along the route, possibly in Shepparton and Toowoomba.

    ‘The project would be a major driver of growth for regional Australia, and conceivably businesses that operate nationally and need large warehouses would see the benefit of relocating from the city to a regional centre along this new line.’

    This is happening because of the Nats, who have made inland rail the big issue with their constituents.

    In the same corridor they could build a Maglev line, which would attract mass immigration.

  170. Meta permalink
    January 1, 2015 8:07 pm

    (I don’t know, TB; the apolitical, taxpayer-funded advertising for proposed deregulation of university fees seems pretty convincing; especially as the proposal seems to involve extending public subsidies to private colleges, even as the government has almost achieved dismantling of the checks and balances of the AQF (hidden-in-plain-view amongst the ‘boards’ disestablished in the MYEFO); and, really, it makes perfect sense that a regressive barrier-to-entry should be introduced to effectively displace a sustainability grounded in basic progressive taxation, when it’s highlighted that obtaining a tertiary education, tends to yield a higher income. Now, if only there were someone(s) entrepreneurial in Australia, like Jeb Bush’s fine American example, or the wide-spread example of the 80s and 90s Republican Christian Right starting up universities with the specific purpose of implanting credentialled personnel in public roles, prepared to invest in skimming from provision of high-quality, full-fee-(sur)plus-public-subsidy, online-external-delivery education products; particularly if any requirement to reinvest in equity-based scholarships is optionally made purely optional, just as certain optional scholarships were invested meritoriously in equity.)

  171. Beam`Me`Up`Teabag permalink
    January 1, 2015 11:36 pm

    (For Certain; The Dutch managed to keep `shirt-fronting` stupidity to minimal levels and
    less self-national-embarrassment than team-idiot and you-know-who around here. l doubt we can rely on teabag-media to provide truthiness and transparencyness in their #mh17 factoid reports, as teh-usa led, infected, deciding-veto, usually-trampled UN-decider-and-leader of near-nothing will more than likely stay `on-message` when dealing with un/investigative non/reporters.)

  172. January 2, 2015 1:22 am

    ””””The cult of shareholder value maximisation is a significant step in the wrong direction, as it gives control of major companies to equity investors, basically a group of outsiders.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2014/12/24/the-virtues-of-job-fidelity/
    ””””’

    # While its peppered with interesting elements, l`m not really a believer in the `loyalty` topic in employment, l noticed the `agent`factor (labor-hire/etc) is not mentioned either, which is often a toxic element in employment and job-seeking.

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2015 6:51 am

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/23/hockeys-myefo-finally-does-no-harm-how-much-has-he-already-done

    …Should we thank the Treasurer for not messing things up as badly as we expected him to? Nick Rowbotham thinks not…

    …But should Hockey really be commended for merely doing no further harm to the economy? And should he be doing more?…

    …The numbers, of course, tell a different story. Australia has a modest budget deficit, at 1.4 per cent of GDP, and the third lowest level of government debt in the OECD.

    Unfortunately, the government’s doomsday rhetoric has changed the tone of discussion around Australia’s public finances, and distracted many in the media from both the reality of our fiscal position and the primary function of fiscal policy – namely, to counteract fluctuations in economic growth and unemployment.

    There is a need to sure up government revenue over the medium and longer term – though Hockey has done little to demonstrate he is committed to boosting revenue – but the short term priority ought to be supporting growth and jobs…

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/23/political-capital-fear-how-it-helps-governments-and-why

    …There is considerable political capital to be gained by exploiting the tragic events of Martin Place in pursuit of fear.

    Eighteen months after 9/11, for instance, survivors in New York City were asked whether they had grown “more liberal, more conservative or stayed the same” following the terrorist attacks. Thirty-eight per cent reported becoming more conservative.

    In fact, fear has consistently been found to increase conservatism and support for conservative leaders and policies, including but not limited to counter-terrorism measures. Simply evoking images of death, such as a hearse or a chalk outline of a human body, leads people of all political persuasions to more strongly endorse conservative positions on issues as varied as taxation, same sex marriage and stem cell research.

    That imagery has this effect is noteworthy. Simply using a word or phrase that evokes death related imagery – such as the word ‘terrorism’ – is enough…

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 2, 2015 10:05 am

    So… Teabagz has a preferred narrative on MH 17. That it wasn’t the “warriors” he likes that shot a missile at a civilian aircraft and killed everyone, it was the other lot.

    When the media doesn’t publish the speculation he likes, that’s the media’s problem.

    So much credibility and authority .

  175. egg permalink
    January 2, 2015 1:50 pm

    ‘an inland rail line between Melbourne and Brisbane, which would avoid Sydney’s notorious congestion and the 19th-century coastal rail line…’

    That is true and if they ran high speed rail in tandem the Coalition would get reelected. The $114 billion cost for HSR was highly inflated and the Chinese say they can build it for $17 million a kilometre, whereas Malaysian, Saudi Arabia and Japan say they can’t do it for less than $30 million a kilometre.

    If they took the inland route the price would tumble.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2015 1:53 pm

    That imagery has this effect is noteworthy. Simply using a word or phrase that evokes death related imagery – such as the word ‘terrorism’ – is enough…

    Is it reversible I wonder, KL …?

    Tony “The Terrorist” Abbott works for me …

    There is a need to sure up government revenue over the medium and longer term

    What? Its … “shore up” … what has happened to education/general knowledge over the last couple of decades …

    ==============================

    Meta,

    … as an RTO I successfully competed with TAFE (and on occasion worked out in the field for them) …

    As for the AQF they started fiddling with that over a decade ago when they introduced Associate Degree (a silly and useless qualification) …

    I reckon there would be a few tradies (and undergrad nurses for a different reason) chortling at the claim all uni grads earn more dough … and I can’t see waiting on café tables enhancing a medical degree (it may in fact be damaging to a bedside – tableside? – manner) …

    Having said that and having completed both a five year apprenticeship (last one in Qld) and a five year in-service, distance ed., business degree (UniSA) … they were both fkn hard … (I am the world’s worst student tho’ …)

    My point being that the “money” mentioned doesn’t flow immediately to 21/22 year olds – it will follow after years of practical experience applying said learning …

    Unless you are a successful sportsperson who becomes a multi/millionaire and pay nothing back for AIS assistance … funny that, hey … the least productive get paid the most in our topsy turvy economic wonderland …

    Any adult learning benefits not only the individual but the nation as a whole … the present government are obviously takers in so many ways … I’m yet to see anything offered in return for the people giving them the opportunity to demonstrate their supposed economic management skills … and the majority have degrees I believe … proofs in the pudding …

  177. January 2, 2015 4:08 pm

    #Guffaw #Guffaw #Guffaw

    ”””Meanwhile you post speculation promoting blaming one side for firing the missile.”””

    #Wow! That`s a whole deeper level of stupid you`ve plunged to. Giving kneel and dumpty some `healthy` competition, l suppose.

    #You didn`t even realize that teabag-media has only been peddling ””speculation promoting blaming one side for firing the missile.””’#teabag

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2015 5:29 pm

    I prefer the media report factually.
    I can do the speculation myself 😉

  179. January 2, 2015 9:30 pm

    Please keep this shit up Nil.. Your profound stupidity and relentless repetitive idiocy is a source of entertaining belly laughs to my twitter followers and the folks in the #auspol stream You are gaining wider popularity as a prize fuckwit

  180. January 2, 2015 9:42 pm

    ””””l have known the name of the policeman who killed my son, Michael, for ten years. And he is still working on the force in Kenosha.[#wisconsin-usa] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html ””””

    +

    ”””””After police in Kenosha, Wis., shot my 21-year-old son to death outside his house ten years ago ? and then immediately cleared themselves of all wrongdoing ? an African-American man approached me and said: ?If they can shoot a white boy like a dog, imagine what we?ve been going through.””””’

    +

    #Armchair, did ya`follow to this from #Serpico.?

    #Another `trigga-happy` story from teh-usa.

  181. January 2, 2015 10:19 pm

    #karl rove is a `teabag-party strategist, and repug icon

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/karl-rove-and-the-modern-money-machine-108019.html

    #karl rove started life in the `junior-repugs` at uni, and specialized in cobbling together the assorted cranks that make up the repugs, as rove was a genius with statistics and `loading`polls, which was the `key` to cobbling together the cranks into a `single`force.(background-folks)

    #the link above, the wheels have fallen off, somewhat for rove, theres a bit of something for everybody, the onion boss, robber barons, foxnews meltdown, mindless chanting. 🙂

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2015 9:34 am

    So let’s clarify.

    Firstly Teabagz criticised the ABC for ‘wrongly blaming’ Ukrainian separatists (warriors) and the Russians than supply them with weapons, for firing a missile at a civilian aircraft, killing everyone on board.

    Then he posts some incoherent, semi literate ramblings and speculation which blame the Ukraine military or some mystery aircraft.

    Then teabagz criticised the media for not publishing the speculation.

    Conclusions –
    1. It’s ok to blame ‘warriors as long as it’s not the ‘warriors’ he likes
    2. It’s ok for the media to publish speculation as long as it’s the speculation he likes
    3. Hilariously FITH.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2015 10:39 am

    FITH?

    I spent a great deal of my career on mine-sites … and deciphering acronyms (in many industries/professions) as an instructional designer …

    FITH to me is Fire In The Hole … and not commonly used … but I see urban dictionary lists it has Fucked In The Head …

    Just for anyone else who might wonder …

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2015 10:56 am

    By the way T think you mean ‘proof’s’
    ……………

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/employers-step-up-efforts-to-get-rid-of-penalty-rates-20150102-12gylv.html

    ‘Employers step up efforts to gwt rid of penalty rates’

    There really is no need for students working part time on weekends in a cafe to be paid full penalties.

    That’s where it should be limited to.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2015 11:43 am

    We do live in interesting times …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/israeli-settlers-attack-us-officials/story-e6frfkui-1227173325119

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There really is no need for students working part time on weekends in a cafe to be paid full penalties.

    Yes there is …

  186. January 3, 2015 12:39 pm

    ”””Fire in the hole”””

    l thought it was being used as a signature, #Fool.In.Tinfoil.Hat

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2015 2:02 pm

    yep, to feel safe and secure, every house, car and person should have one!

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/02/georgia-police-chief-911-shot-wife-bed

    …A police chief in Georgia told a 911 dispatcher he accidentally shot his sleeping wife while moving a handgun that was in their bed, according to a recording released on Friday…

  188. January 3, 2015 3:53 pm

    ””””Idaho woman shot dead by two-year-old son was nuclear scientist

    Veronica Rutledge, 29, remembered by friends and family as a beautiful, young, loving
    mother after she was killed in a shooting accident at Idaho Walmart

    Police in Idaho say a two-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his mother after
    finding the weapon in her handbag.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/31/idaho-nuclear-scientist-shot-dead-son-walmart
    ”””””

    # in the same vain as peachtree, way to go idaho,

    #yay for `carry-Laws` FFS

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2015 4:09 pm

    … a handgun that was in their bed …

    !!!!!!!!

    Natural selection at work … ?????

    … finding the weapon in her handbag …

    Obviously with the safety on …

    … nukalear scientist, hey? At Walmart …

    See above …

    The USofA is full of fkn nutcases …

  190. January 3, 2015 4:48 pm

    ”””bagz criticised the ABC”””#are you inferring my abc is beyond being criticized.? really.? you wanna run with that.?

    ”””2. It’s ok for the media to publish speculation”””#shit, even dumpty knows better than to try and run with that type horse-shit, you `can` do better.? cant` you.?

  191. January 3, 2015 4:53 pm

    Please keep this shit up Nil.. Your profound stupidity and relentless repetitive idiocy is a source of entertaining belly laughs to my twitter followers and the folks in the #auspol stream You are gaining wider popularity as a prize fuckwit

  192. January 3, 2015 5:11 pm

    ””””Natural selection at work””#in walmart, for sure, darwinesqueley, the imbecile placing the loaded weapon within reach of a small child paid the price, not some `unrelated-3rd-party`#silverlining

    #maybe not so, in peachtree bed, wife may never have anything to do with fire-arms, just her chief-plod husband

  193. January 3, 2015 5:23 pm

    ”””profound stupidity and relentless repetitive idiocy”’#correct, but not worth being re-posted as a 74K-byte bloatware image (slowing down and sometimes stalling pageload) when the original 300-byte comment is posted above, IMO

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2015 5:31 pm

    … just her chief-plod husband Who should have known and/or been trained far better than that …

  195. January 3, 2015 6:31 pm

    ””””””Donna Douglas, who played the buxom tomboy Elly May Clampett on the hit 1960s sitcom The Beverly Hillbillies, has died. She was 82.

    Douglas died on Thursday in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where she lived, said her niece, Charlene Smith. The cause of death was pancreatic cancer, Smith said.

    Although Douglas appeared in commercials and TV shows in the 1950s and 60s, she was best known for her role in The Beverly Hillbillies, the CBS comedy about a backwoods Tennessee family who move to Beverly Hills after striking it rich from oil on their land.

    The series, which ran from 1962 to 1971, also starred the late Buddy Ebsen and Irene Ryan, as well as Max Baer Jr, who turns 77 on Sunday.

    Douglas had long been out of the entertainment business.

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jan/02/donna-douglas-beverly-hillbillies-fame-dies
    ””””’

    # still waiting for you, harry calahan

  196. January 3, 2015 6:52 pm

    (For Certain; l know you. You know me. While you know who ””can organize new perceptions into schemata quickly as most situations do not require complex thought when using schema, since automatic thought is all that is required.””

    #Complex thought is overly expensive and not really needed in todays budget-conscience, profit-conscience world economy and is an undue burden for boardrooms to bare. Wasting time and other precious corporate resources on the `complex` when schema and dogma will more than adequately do, in the solve-all, all-free, fix-all market is unfair to `our` share-holders.)

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2015 6:53 pm

    Tbagz … not sure about “buxom” … ditzy maybe … did you ever watch the show? Texas tea, ‘nall?

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/beverly-hillbillies-star-dead-at-81/story-fn907478-1227173241663

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 3, 2015 6:57 pm

    “Please keep this shit up Nil.. Your profound stupidity and relentless repetitive idiocy is a source of entertaining belly laughs to my twitter followers”

    Any publicity is good. I am glad your supporters think i am stupid.

    PS. I would like to post at AIMN but the natural totalitarians have banned me. But then Michael lies and says it is the problem of WORDPRESS.

  199. January 3, 2015 7:12 pm

    ”””PS. I would like to post at AIMN but the natural totalitarians have banned me.”””

    # what a shame # 3-cheers for the ”’natural totalitarians”’ 🙂

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 3, 2015 7:18 pm

    I rest my case.

  201. January 3, 2015 8:48 pm

    PS. I would like to post at AIMN but the natural totalitarians have banned me. But then Michael lies and says it is the problem of WORDPRESS.

    That’s because you are being moderated due to your consistent derailing of threads with inane bullshit, like you repetitively do here…
    He has been getting so much traffic the spam filter is crashing the site a well documanted problem with the bulk erase plugin.. so fuck off.

    You are getting caught in the spam filter where you belong with all the other putrid effluent. If Michael wanted you banned you would be banned I assure you, lucky I’m not moderating or like Hall you would be toast

    Any publicity is good. I am glad your supporters think i am stupid.

    Really? I almost feel sorry for your consummate idiocy, it is especially the Liberals that are laughing hardest. So please keep going and I will propel you into the “Hall o sphere” where all you do is keep reasserting stupidity until it festers into he detestable.

    I rest my case.

    What that you are a complete fucking knob?
    You are clueless?
    You are a vitriolic bore that couldn’t assemble a viable argument to save his life?
    You post stupidity in other peoples blogs to make yourself feel tough?
    You are a sad pathetic little inconsequential excuse for a human?…

    I’m sure all here concur. Your popularity across the blogashere is somewhere in between ebola and an ingrown pustule hair in a bleeding hemorrhoid.

    ”””profound stupidity and relentless repetitive idiocy”’#correct, but not worth being re-posted as a 74K-byte bloatware image (slowing down and sometimes stalling pageload) when the original 300-byte comment is posted above, IMO

    Still showing “in moderation”..as happens when it get caught in the spam filter, which is the case with wordpress setting for multiple hastags that it headers as links. Reb is away so I am assuming he is not clearing the spam filter as he is not posting..

    besides since when do you have a humble opinion considering some of the utter tossery you post sunshine? 🙂

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 3, 2015 8:50 pm

    Why do retarded ALP supporters worry so much about what i post??

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2015 9:05 pm

    “…Why do retarded ALP supporters worry so much about what i post??…”

    I never worry about your posts

  204. January 3, 2015 9:09 pm

    Why do retarded ALP supporters worry so much about what i post??

    Maybe its because you never admit you are wrong or apologise… a clear sighn of metal deficiency and faux bravado …

    Firstly ALP supporter?

    Secondly you disgusting ass hat.. the word “retarded” was deemed out of order in here…
    But that type of thing I would expect from a belligerently immoral cunt like you who throws around insults like he is tough….

    You’re the little mousy bitch in the corner with no mates, a minuscule manhood and no fuck by Lowes, aren’t you.. sweetheart.

  205. January 3, 2015 9:16 pm

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 3, 2015 9:24 pm

    I rest my case.

    It looks like i am famous.

  207. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 8:50 am

    Neil the PLS usually vote Green.

  208. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 9:26 am

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

    Reading between the lines the Federal government is flying kites.

    ‘Mrs Kelly said she was campaigning against the airport in the Liberal-held seat of Penrith because she didn’t see why the promised infrastructure funding package for Western Sydney had to be tied to an airport. “I think at the moment if you say ‘jobs’, people will put up with anything. But when people realise how many jobs, what kind of jobs, and the trade-off in enjoyment, property values and traffic congestion, it will be one big sticky do.”

    SMH

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2015 1:20 pm

    Why are Labor/Greens supporters so nasty??

  210. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 1:40 pm

    It wasn’t always the way, both the Greens and Labor had integrity until they were penetrated by the PLS.

    Their nastiness comes from their belief that the world is coming to an end and its all your fault Neil.

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 4:14 pm

    …It wasn’t always the way, both the Greens and Labor had integrity until they were penetrated by the PLS.
    Their nastiness comes from their belief that the world is coming to an end and its all your fault Neil…

    you talk some crap egg

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 5:13 pm

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 5:57 pm

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2015 7:21 pm

    #are you inferring my abc is beyond being criticized.?

    I’m only inferring that you’re a complete f**kwit It’s odd that you whine that the ABC “incorrectly blames” your “warriors” and then complain that they won’t publish some rumours or speculation that you promote by posting.

    You seem to be a complete f**king imbecile lacking in consistency.

  215. January 4, 2015 9:34 pm

    o”””””’Raising money for infrastructure by selling infrastructure

    http://m.canberratimes.com.au/comment/raising-money-for-infrastructure-by-selling-infrastructure-doesnt-make-sense-20150102-12g3ov.html ””””””””””” # it`s just more of the same tired old teabag-theory that equates to little more than throwing `baby` out with `bath-water`, and both `teams` are in the grip of it.

  216. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 9:39 pm

    ‘it`s just more of the same tired old…’

    Not really, the nsw government sells poles ans wires and builds a very fast train system.

  217. January 4, 2015 10:11 pm

    l”””””’Liberal Party donor’s bid to start workers at 4am, without penalty rates http://t.co/YPFSiQNH3p smh.com.au @smh)””””””””””” ‘ # that`s the same old `teabag horse-shit too, which wouldn`t work if put into practice, that`s how stupid these imbeciles are, it wouldn`t `lift` productivity, it would crash it

  218. January 4, 2015 11:24 pm

    Why are Labor/Greens supporters so nasty??
    That’s not a window dickhead its a mirror 🙂

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2015 11:47 pm

    Deficit what deficit? Where did that come from? Budget crisis? What budget crisis?

    Try $15 billion going to war with the Septic Tanks … $12 billion for warplanes …

    And who pays? … not the rich, the powerful, the politicians, big business, the entrepreneurs, the churches … nah … he sick, poor, the old, the weak, the children, the students, the unemployed … the usual … nothing changes!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/taxpayers-have-spent-15-billion-to-fund-overseas-military-missions-since-1999/story-fncynjr2-1227174157449

    So let’s spend some more to kill people!

    PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has arrived in Baghdad for talks on boosting Iraq’s fight against the Islamic State jihadist group.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-in-baghdad-to-discuss-is-fight/story-fncynjr2-1227174312991

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2015 11:49 pm

    KL, hate to tell you this but there came a time when I simply tuned out when JG was on TV … much like TA now … and many do … we need to keep him there as long as possible … the lower the polls? 🙂

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2015 11:51 pm

    … it wouldn`t `lift` productivity, it would crash it

    It already is!

  222. January 4, 2015 11:54 pm

    i””””””””’UN Security Council vote on Palestinian draft resolution

    YES: Jordan, China, France, Russia, Luxembourg, Chad, Chile, Argentina.

    NO: United States(a), Australia(b).

    ABSTAINED: United Kingdom(c), Lithuania, Nigeria, South Korea(d), Rwanda.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/12/un-votes-against-palestinian-statehood-20141230212147910509.html

    ”””””””””””””

    #no surprise that(a) opposes `not-oppressing` other races in the region, or its pets (bcd) opposed and abstained. #`teabags (via your AJ link TB)

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:37 am

    “Try $15 billion going to war with the Septic Tanks

    Not quite true. From your link we had this “Operation Astute — the mission to restore calm in East Timor since 2006 — came with a price tag of $4.3 billion.”

    Are you saying we should not help the East Timorese?? Strangely by far the biggest cost was in Afghanistan ($6.9B). I think this is a war the ALP supported.

    ” $12 billion for warplanes

    Why mention planes?? By far our biggest defense spend is going to be on the 12 Submarines the ALP under Rudd wanted for our Navy.

  224. January 5, 2015 1:26 am

    ”””””””””””KEY ADF OPERATIONS 2001-2014

    Operation Slipper (Afghanistan) – $6.9 billion

    Operation Astute (East Timor) – $4.3 billion

    Operation Catalyst (Iraq) – $2.3 billion

    Operation Anode (Solomon Islands) – $346 million

    TOTAL for all operations ? $15.2 billion.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/taxpayers-have-spent-15-billion-to-fund-overseas-military-missions-since-1999/story-fncynjr2-1227174157449

    ””””””””””””””””””’

    #my guess is, if the Limited-News Team-Trolls will admit this cost level, there is still a
    shit-load more cost, coming down the pipeline

    #plus 12/13-billion$ for those flying F35-trashCans

  225. January 5, 2015 2:43 am

    Fiberal lobbyist policy advisor’s …the amnesty is over..its payday

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tax-evasion-by-super-rich-hurts-every-australian-20150103-12gbd5.html

  226. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:16 am

    Good to see the heralds were farking over the holidays down here in the gutter.

    Piece and goodwill to all (unless they are on the other “team”) 😉

    Well, we got back from our hols just in time to run into a wee little bushfire skirting out homes. Kinda scary getting woken at 2am with txt messages telling us to ‘enact our bushfire plan’. WTF, we live in suburbia, we don’t have a “plan”

    A life lesson I guess. 😦

    But a big shout out to all the peeps in the CFS and all their associated helpers, and the many others who just went out of their way to help those most affected. A pet kennel up the road was on facebook asking for help them move out animals. By the time we got there, it was all done. But, they are very close to suburbia, no such luck for another one right up in the Chain of Ponds and who had the fire turn on them big time.

    And ABC24 and newsradio were invaluable, The other channels …. pffft

    We did remark on the fact that one guy with hostages in one location has the ability to hold all of the television networks hostage for a day, yet an out of control bushfire affecting thousands barely rates a mention? Something wrong with that picture methinks.

    Even 24 took a while to really notice just how many people were affected, but once they got going, it was very welcome information.

    Some piccies to highlight the size and just how close to suburbia it came. And the only reason it stopped was because of the onslaught from the firies, of all persuasions. Well done to them all

    The piccies below are out of date too I believe, it was a 200 km circumference, Now it is above 240km. And the changing winds means that entire circumference is effectively a hot spot still.

  227. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:25 am

    And not sure how this will work, but I’ll give it a go. It’s a video from a police helicopter of the fire

  228. egg permalink
    January 9, 2015 9:45 pm

    ‘Just before losing contact, the pilot told air traffic control he was approaching threatening clouds, but was denied permission to climb to a higher altitude because of heavy air traffic. No distress signal was issued.’

    Daily Mail

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