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Scott Morrison Vows to get people off Welfare

December 22, 2014

IMMIGRATION SCOTT MORRISON PRESSER

Minister for Compassion and newly appointed head of the SS, Scott Morrison,  has vowed to get people off welfare and as he turns his attention his expanded portfolio.

The move is seen as a “promotion” for the former Minister for Preventing Immigration who will now have a new focus on welfare, childcare and paid parental leave.

After his success in the pre-election promise of stopping boats and restoring public confidence in Australia’s borders, Mr Morrison said he would now work to “ensure the integrity, dignity and sustainability” of the country’s welfare system.

“The best social service we can afford any Australian to help them deal with the costs of living, is a job,” he said.

“Getting as many Australians as are able off welfare and into work will be one of my core goals.”

Welfare reform and workplace participation will be one of the government’s key political agendas in 2015, Mr Abbott declared on Sunday.

Mr Morrison will not only be responsible for pushing unpopular welfare changes through the Senate.

He will also prosecute the government’s “signature” paid parental leave scheme, and oversee an expected overhaul of the childcare system.

The prime minister said Mr Morrison had the right blend of what he called “political toughness” and “compassion” for the expanded social services portfolio.

However the Greens have questioned the appointment of the hardline Mr Morrison.

“Putting Scott Morrison in charge of social services will send shivers down the spines of people across the country,” Greens leader Christine Milne said.

Mr Abbott said the reshuffle would “reset” the government, with the ministerial overhaul including a number of significant changes.

Defence Minister David Johnston was dumped in favour of veteran Kevin Andrews, and Sussan Ley promoted to the health ministry and cabinet.

Her predecessor Peter Dutton has been given the immigration portfolio.

Meanwhile, Josh Frydenberg has replaced Arthur Sinodinos as assistant treasurer.

Joe Hockey remains Treasurer presumably due to his success with the federal budget.

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372 Comments leave one →
  1. December 22, 2014 7:45 am

    Its Tony’s Christmas Panto! This year, instead of “Puss in Boots” we’ve got a chorus line of “Arseholes in Suits”.
    Great family fun to be had 2015 – be sure to bring the kiddies along too!

  2. December 22, 2014 8:35 am

    “Arseholes in Suits”.

    LOL… 🙂

  3. December 22, 2014 10:50 am

    Still shaking my head about Morrison in his new role.

    Does anyone else think maybe Abbott’s trying to castrate his leadership ambitions.

    I think we’re in for a lot of propaganda regarding bludgers & welfare recipients. Dogwhistles being polished as I type.

  4. December 22, 2014 11:05 am

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  7. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 12:12 pm

    If he “stops the welfare” the same he “stopped the boats”, get ready for some tough times ahead.

    We have record numbers of boat movements in the region, and record numbers of drownings, but, since our media have eyes wide shut, it isn’t happening.

    Some perspective before ltdnews ratchets it up

  8. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:47 pm

    Apparently, hockey still thinks his bludget was fair.

    There’s no stopping a crytanic once it’s cause is set I suppose.

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:50 pm

    Yes that is the Labor Party way.

    Hand the incoming govt a nightmare to deal with and then make fun of them when they have trouble cleaning up the mess.

    TomR can only teach me one thing- how to be a nasty human being.

  10. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2014 3:52 pm

    Those that can, do ………………….

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 6:04 pm

    Hand the incoming govt a nightmare to deal with and then make fun of them when they have trouble cleaning up the mess.

    If there IS/WAS a mess? The Abbott & The Acolytes think lying is just part of life … theirs … not ours …

    As for dealing with the “mess” … no-one has a problem with that, just how and who has to pay for the “cleaners” …

    Do keep up …

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 6:10 pm

    Had to look crytanic up, TR …

    I understand why you used the word … “a large, deep red, pus filled cyst, with bright yellow pustules sitting on top … the only way to be rid of them is a deep lancing followed by a hot, salt and mustard poultice applied with pressure followed by a exile of the carrier … “

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 8:48 pm

    I’l vote for a party that promises to get big business off welfare. The more they don’t pay their fair share, the more the taxpayers, the poor and needy are screwed over.

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 8:55 pm

    yes tony, we know you ‘get’ women, margie and your daughters told us.

    …“Equal pay was always going to be an uphill battle with the carbon tax in place”.
    Olivia Dresden, Sydney

    “Last year I lost out on a promotion to a man with less experience. But the abolition of the carbon tax has paved the way for my rise to CEO”.
    Felicity Pollock, Sydney

    “I feel so much safer walking alone at night now that that scary big tax has been removed”.
    Amy Tan, Newcastle…

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:07 pm

    I see you reb!

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:11 pm

    … yes tony, we know you ‘get’ women, margie and your daughters told us

    I see the girls were out and about today supporting their breadwinner … he must have come across as a misogynist again …

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:40 pm

    Kevin Androids legacy … straight into the arms of Scott Morriscum …

    The government had turned its back on the most vulnerable people in the country, chief executive Glenda Stevens said.

    “The biggest losers will be those who are experiencing homelessness,” she told AAP.

    A spokeswoman for outgoing Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews said the decision was part of the finalisation of departmental funding rounds which closed earlier this year.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-cuts-funding-to-housing-bodies/story-e6frfku9-1227164621608

    Merry Christmas … call themselves christian … JC must be squirming!

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:47 pm

    4BC (1116) has no political spouting since The Abbott slunk into his enclosure in Canberra … wait till the next election … a National Network is just what the Libs want … will Fairfax be a brake?

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2014 9:56 pm

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/12/18/whats-the-point-of-a-tax-debate-when-the-miners-run-tax-policy/

    …Meantime, Fairfax yesterday spotted that Treasurer Joe Hockey and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann had used MYEFO to abandon anti-tax avoidance measures that would have saved taxpayers hundreds of millions in lost revenue, despite Hockey’s G20 rhetoric on cracking down on multinational tax avoidance. Hockey angrily denied the report this morning, insisting it was all about not penalising Australian companies that expand offshore. But who had lobbied against the measures? Why, the foreign-dominated mining industry, which appear to have virtually complete control over this government’s tax policies…

  20. December 22, 2014 11:40 pm

    Yes that is the Labor Party way.
    Hand the incoming govt a nightmare to deal with and then make fun of them when they have trouble cleaning up the mess.

    Fuck this troll is a nagging repetitive bitch need a couple of Rohies and a good lie down in the trough 🙄

    TomR can only teach me one thing- how to be a nasty human being..

    Nah I think you are selling yourself short, you would hands down qualify with high distinction for a PHD in being an utterly morally reprehensible cunt.
    A veritable guru Yoda lama high priest of inane sperm gargling vindictive swill

    http://mewscorpse.com/2014/12/22/the-ship-of-fools-rearranging-deckchairs-on-the-titanic/

  21. December 23, 2014 1:45 am

    All you need to know about the scum that is @ScottMorrisonMP
    http://bit.ly/1Ayx8S2
    http://bit.ly/1zVwgqt

  22. December 23, 2014 4:40 pm

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2014 6:49 pm

    TomR can only teach me one thing- how to be a nasty human being..

    You’d have to qualify as a human being first.

    #longwayoff

  24. December 23, 2014 7:17 pm

    LMFAO @ 4:40pm

  25. December 23, 2014 7:18 pm

    Neil is the proof that that old adage, ‘Ignorance Is Bliss’, is indeed true…except that the type of ignorance he indulges spoonfeeds him a paradigm which is the antithesis of bliss.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2014 8:11 pm

    So just who is “scaring” the Australian public …

    What a load of BS … carry on as normal, security and police are doing everything but terrorist “chatter” has “increased” … what a fkn moron!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-warns-of-increased-terror-chatter-in-wake-of-lindt-cafe-siege-in-sydney/story-fncynjr2-1227165496593

    Peter (sic) Credlin must be a cretin … an unusually creatively stupid one.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-warns-of-increased-terror-chatter-in-wake-of-lindt-cafe-siege-in-sydney/story-fncynjr2-1227165496593

    Does this lot have any credibility left at all after what? Twelve months?

  27. December 23, 2014 8:21 pm

    Only amongst limpets & fools, TB.

    Plenty of those about, unfortunately.

  28. Meta permalink
    December 24, 2014 11:01 am

    (“Various ministers and commentators have said that the Government’s problem has been one of communication, but I doubt Mr Abbott and co. really care about that.

    Despite their earlier insistence that Vocational Education Training (VET) would stay with the Industry Department, that has now been shifted to Education (which adds Training to its title). Child care has been moved from Education to Social Services.

    These are potentially significant changes, but what explanation has the Government offered for either beyond some vague yammer about a workplace participation agenda?

    Far from being intent on better communication, then, the thrust of their approach looks less like being upfront about their overall intentions and explaining exactly what they want to do, and more about sneaking through changes and hoping we don’t notice.

    To put it plainly, “better communications” is a euphemism for spin and neither has anything to do with telling the truth.

    Yes, we’ve had a reshuffle, but big deal.

    Tony Abbott is still the Prime Minister. Joe Hockey is still the Treasurer. They are still committed to their budget and its underlying philosophy of market liberalism and a wholesale attack on the pillars of the welfare state.”

    Let’s focus on that, not which Wiggle is wearing which skivvy.

    Tim Dunlop: The more things shuffle, more they stay the same)

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 24, 2014 12:03 pm

    Thanks for that meta, Tim hits the bullseye [again]

    …We’ve been promised an inquiry into work practices, which everyone knows is just another way of cracking open the chest and massaging the heart of WorkChoices…

    Let’s see them do it and see them out of office for an even longer time #onetermtony

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2015 3:18 pm

    No contraception, no dole

    IF a person’s sole source of income is the taxpayer, the person, as a condition of benefit, must have contraception. No contraception, no benefit.
    This is not an affront to single mothers or absent fathers, or struggling parents. Such a measure will undoubtedly affect strugglers, it undoubtedly will affect Aboriginal and Islander people in great proportions, but the idea that someone can have the taxpayer, as of right, fund the choice to have a child is repugnant.
    Large families of earlier generations were the result of the combination of absent contraception and the need to have many children, in order that some survive to care for parents in old age.
    These conditions do not now apply. Infant mortality is minuscule in all sectors of society, and the taxpayer picks up the tab for aged care.
    Therefore, there should be no taxpayer inducement to have children. Potential parents of poor means, poor skills or bad character will choose to have children. So be it. But no one should enter parenthood while on a benefit.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/no-contraception-no-dole/story-fn8v83qk-1227169545069

    This seems reasonable – people who rely on welfare/taxpayers should not be provided with incentives to have more children, intergenerational welfare is not a desirable social objective.

    (queue the responses about the luxurious paid parental leave scheme Abbott proposes)

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 5:02 pm

    queuing up ToM

    taxpayers shouldn’t pay anyone any incentives to have welfare to have children…

    I thought the welfare being paid was an incentive not to starve and to have a roof over their heads. Didn’t realise it’s to produce children.

    I think people should be paid incentives not to have children, after all, the planet is already over populated and that fits with the lib ideology to provide incentives to stop undesirable behaviour.

    Of course women of calibre, such as the abbott daughters, must be paid taxpayer welfare to breed, the wealthy wouldn’t do anything without an incentive.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2015 5:49 pm

    “I think people should be paid incentives not to have children, after all, the planet is already over populated and that fits with the lib ideology to provide incentives to stop undesirable behaviour”

    Well you finally let it slip but you ended with the wrong conclusion.

    My greeny friend at work told me the world is overpopulated and that humans are a pest on the planet. I think that is the opinion of most greens. Furthermore he wanted a cull in the human population so we have a more sustainable population.

    But you finally said it. The planet is overpopulated and breeding is undesirable behaviour. That is green ideology not lib ideology.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 6:18 pm

    …But you finally said it. The planet is overpopulated and breeding is undesirable behaviour. That is green ideology not lib ideology….

    As far as I recall, i’ve been saying it for awhile nil, nothing finally about it, it’s the elephant in the room that no-one will address. Stop preening yourself.

    If it’s not lib ideology, why are they in the papers saying, no contraception, no dole then?

    Besides, can you point me to where the greens have a policy on breeding?

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2015 7:19 pm

    “If it’s not lib ideology, why are they in the papers saying, no contraception, no dole then?”

    There are two topics.

    One topic is people gaining access to welfare because they do not want to work which is the topic that Gary Johns, an ALP member and part of the Keating govt is talking about. Actually it was Costello who introduced the baby bonus.

    The other topic which you introduced was overpopulation. It is well known that The Greens think the world is overpopulated. Of course they actually don’t come out and say what every intelligent person knows they actually believe.

  35. Meta permalink
    January 4, 2015 7:32 pm

    (“Of course they actually don’t come out and say what every intelligent person knows they actually believe.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_Matters#Campaigns_and_initiatives)

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2015 7:38 pm

    Various studies have shown the wider social and economic benefits of having quality paid parental leave. It’s only the level of benefit that is debated.

    On the other hand, we see intergenerational welfare, and the current system provides an incentive to have more children.

    This is hardly in the interests of anyone – taxpayer, welfare recipient or society.

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2015 8:41 pm

    Why can’t we have both ToM?
    Why must the poor and disadvantaged be screwed so the well off can get more taxpayer funded welfare. It should not be an ‘either or” situation. This country is wealthy enough to do both very well. We just need some courage and vision amongst politicians. Someone who will take on the tax reforms needed and make the wealthy tax avoiders pay their fair share.

    The world is over populated neil, I know it doesn’t suit certain religious groups to talk of population control, but in case you’ve been hiding throughout the global warming debate – it’s human activity that is putting the planet at peril. Only idiots would advocate for unrestrained population growth when it can’t be sustained.

  38. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 9:27 pm

    ‘It should not be an ‘either or” situation.’

    A revolution would take money from the rich and the middle class to raise the poor from degradation. Oh wait, that’s what is happening now.

  39. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 9:32 pm

    ‘….it’s human activity that is putting the planet at peril. Only idiots would advocate for unrestrained population growth when it can’t be sustained.’

    Bollocks! Bloody PLS.

    The planet’s 7.2 million people can fit nicely into the Grand Canyon.

    .dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/01/article-2617559-1D7AFA1900000578-509_964x541.jpg

  40. egg permalink
    January 4, 2015 9:35 pm

  41. January 4, 2015 10:03 pm

    Paid parental leave is a workplace entitlement, not welfare. Like all leave it should be paid for by the employer as a cost of doing business. Government should have no role in providing PPL, except to provide a welfare safety net for low paying and casualised industries that don’t have PPL in standard awards.

  42. January 4, 2015 10:36 pm

    My greeny friend at work told me the world is overpopulated and that humans are a pest on the planet. I think that is the opinion of most greens.

    No that is scientific consensus ans an irrefutable fact..
    Now I know your statement is a profound lie as there is no possible way you have a friend much less a green one, unless you are talking about the little green men you see when you don’t take your medication which is more than plausible…

    The planet is overpopulated and breeding is undesirable behaviour.

    To Paraphrase Nil.. “I rest my case”

    Furthermore he wanted a cull in the human population so we have a more sustainable population.

    Are you volunteering? A logans run reality show would be a Smash hit for a talent void that is Channel 10… Maybe Scotty would integrate into his new welfare policy.

  43. January 4, 2015 11:09 pm

    ””””Various studies have shown the wider social and economic benefits of having quality paid parental leave.””””’

    Gotta link.? no, thought so, the `various` studies you refer to are teabag-theory based l bet, which includes paying slave-wages, not living-wages, where consumers earn enough to actually have a little extra to spend where `they` choose. #teabags

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:45 am

    …Paid parental leave is a workplace entitlement, not welfare. Like all leave it should be paid for by the employer as a cost of doing business…

    That’s right. It should be given only to women who actively participate in the workforce, it should compensate them for interrupted careers and financial losses [compared to the males] associated with being required to stop work and produce the children of the next generation.

    A revolution would take money from the rich and the middle class to raise the poor from degradation. Oh wait, that’s what is happening now.

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:57 am

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/population-growth-is-as-potentially-catastrophic-as-climate-change-so-why-arent-we-talking-about-it-9763228.html

    …The projected vast increase in human numbers is a threat to the Earth’s life-support systems, to its “carrying capacity”, every bit as much as climate change is, and although it is a difficult issue, it is ludicrous simply to ignore it and pretend it is not there. There are two great dangers facing the planet, not one. And not to recognise that is crazy indeed…

  46. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:11 am

    ‘There are two great dangers facing the planet, not one. And not to recognise that is crazy indeed…’

    A nuclear war would be unfortunate and we are fairly ignorant of the galactic bruvverhood’s intentions, but over population and global warming are non events.

  47. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:35 am

    A nuclear war would be unfortunate

    Unfortunately, that wasn’t the dumbest thing you said in your rant, as blindingly stupid as that statement is.

  48. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:38 am

    It’s only the level of benefit that is debated.

    It’s the level of benefit provided by the state that is debated yomm 😉

    Under the yabot proposal, those high income workers who currently have access to ppl provided by employers will simply have the state pay for that rather than their employer. Another great tax offset for rich companies.

    That is where the problem arises imo.

  49. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:16 am

    Over population is not a problem and global warming isn’t happening.

  50. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:24 am

    ‘More than half the world’s population now lives in countries where the fertility rate – the average number of babies born per woman – is below the replacement level (around 2.1).’

    Guardian

  51. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:28 am

    Time for a pause…..before global cooling kicks in.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:39 am

    AO – ”Why can’t we have both ToM?
    Why must the poor and disadvantaged be screwed so the well off can get more taxpayer funded welfare.

    I think welfare is too easy to get. The (slightly) intellectually disabled daughter of a friend recently gave up work, because it was too hard, and it was more convenient to go on a pension. She had been working for over 10 years.

    She’s now likely to spend about 40 years on a disability pension before progressing to the old aged pension.

    I’m quite happy to pay welfare to people without the capacity to work, but it is too readily available to those with capacity.

    Similarly, it is in the interest of no one to have people on welfare having additional children, and the suggestion of “no contraception, no welfare” is one that deserves serious consideration.
    ————
    With regard to PPL, I agree that Abbott’s policy is overly generous in the current circumstances (and the ALP’s one is far too lean). It should be the policy object to be phased in over a decade. The big bang approach to implementation is a political manoeuvre.

    Moving the income cap to average weekly earnings, for 26 weeks, is a reasonable next step.

  53. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:53 am

    The (slightly) intellectually disabled

    Can you perhaps show how ” (slightly) intellectually disabled” she is? Or is this simply a comparison on a sliding scale with the apparent level or not of intralectural disability exhibited by individuals you frequent with?

    Fuck me yomm, I swear, sometimes you seem to be in an ongoing battle with egg to spout the dumbest shit.

  54. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:02 am

    I agree that Abbott’s policy is overly generous in the current circumstances (and the ALP’s one is far too lean). It should be the policy object to be phased in over a decade.

    And on the heels of stupidity, comes remarkable lucidity. Mind you, the ALP had always said this was the first step, to be expanded over time, so, it appears you agree with them 😉

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:28 am

    She was capable enough to spend 10 years in (supported) employment.

    Another welfare recipient got in her ear about how life was easier on a pension, and she gave up work. Now her full time focus is on maintaining her pension, and all her facebook comments are about how to maximise benefits.

    It’s a pity, she’s a pleasant girl, capable of work and it’s sad to think that a pension and a more insular life is now her future.

  56. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:35 am

    She was capable enough to spend 10 years in (supported) employment.

    And has there been any change in that ” (supported) employment”?

    Has there been a deterioration in her disability?

    Has there been much left out of what you tell us? Or much added?

    Blaming the Bludgers is a fools errand. You are eminently qualified for such a task.

  57. January 5, 2015 10:39 am

    I think welfare is too easy to get. The (slightly) intellectually disabled daughter of a friend recently gave up work, because it was too hard, and it was more convenient to go on a pension. She had been working for over 10 years.

    I will treat that generalised anecdotal fabrication with the contempt it deserves as I am around 99.9% confident in the assumption that

    1 you are not a doctor or a qualified health professional

    2 You are not qualified in the slightest to make that statement

    3 you are hyperventilating your own prejudices and attaching them as opinions once again without and substantive factual support

    4 You are not privy to her medical records, actual condition nor state of mental capacity

    5 You are not privy to the assessment that deemed her unfit for work and are making assumption based on the fact that she was working before

    Let me summarise… I’m calling you out on this as utter projected bullshit.

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:41 am

    I see stupid TomR is back wanting to give welfare to everybody.

    Ten years ago, Australian made cars comprised 25% of the market. Under 6 years of Rudd/Gillard management where they gave the car industry everything they wanted, local car manufacturing fell to 10% of the market.

    If we gave them even more money local car manufacturing would have shrunk to zero which would have been the outcome of TomR’s beliefs.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:46 am

    No change in her condition, only in one of her friendships. Her parents are disappointed, and they’re quite familiar with her condition.

    …and I’ll ignore Ricky’s deliberately provocative diatribe on this occasion

  60. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:10 am

    local car manufacturing fell to 10% of the market.

    Don’t you mean Holdens?

  61. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:12 am

    No change in her condition, only in one of her friendships.

    says the Xspurt

    What about her employment conditions?

    I’m sure you will say no change, and I’ll believe you as much as I normally do 😉

  62. January 5, 2015 11:16 am

    I’ll ignore Ricky’s deliberately provocative diatribe on this occasion

    I’m pretty sure you are well qualified to ignore the inconvenient truth

    I see stupid TomR is back wanting to give welfare to everybody.

    Who told you that your little green friends you talk to?

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:18 am

    “Don’t you mean Holdens?”

    Please explain what you are trying to say.

    What i said is that under your leadership Australian made cars fell to 10% of the market.

    And it only took 6 years of Rudd/Gillard management.

    Ten years ago 25% of the market was Australian made.

    I am starting to believe you are a Russian spy who wants to destroy Australia.

  64. January 5, 2015 11:20 am

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:21 am

    …and I’ll ignore Ricky’s deliberately provocative diatribe on this occasion
    …and I’ll ignore Ricky’s deliberately provocative diatribe on this occasion..

    As I’ll ignore egg jumping up on his soapbox [anything that comes anywhere near his obsession is fraught with denier trolling] I won’t encourage this as his forum for crackpottery, just as i’ll ignore neil’s attention seeking provocations.

    I don’t think one person equates to all those on disability benefits.

    Perhaps it is too easy to get on disability benefits, i think it is likely very sought after as you don’t have to be continually seeking work or proving.

    Tell me ToM why the wealthy tax avoiders [illegal] were given an amnesty?

    There seems to be different rules that the rich live by, it’s almost like the colony days where the toffs can do what they like and harsh punishment/treatment is given to the poor who are always labelled as ‘undeserving’.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tax-evasion-by-super-rich-hurts-every-australian-20150103-12gbd5.html

    …And let’s be quite clear here – we’re talking about these individuals engaging in the illegal activity of tax evasion, not tax avoidance which is minimising tax by legal means…

    …The rich are not inclined to be morally upright. They are more likely than the poor to steal candies from a baby (there are studies to show this).

    Nevertheless they have few inhibitions about telling the masses what is wrong with society. This was best illustrated in 2012 when Australia’s wealthiest woman, Gina Rinehart, famously told Australians that they needed to work harder to compete with Africans who would labour for less than $2 a day.

    The economic commentators who lecture us most frequently in the media come from the consultancies, banks and accounting firms that arrange the affairs of the rich to maximise profits and minimise tax. Repeatedly they tell us that we must raise productivity and grow the economic cake, but rarely do they raise the issue of wealth distribution, never mind the ethics of tax evasion and avoidance…

    I believe those people who have avoided tax for years should be going to court and every effort made to hunt them down and expose them – not give them an amnesty and only go back over 4 yrs of activities.

    What kind of message does this send to society? That wealthy people break the law with impunity while the poor, the disabled and the ordinary PAYE worker bear the burden?

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:22 am

    sorry, didn’t mean to repeat myself 😳

  67. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:32 am

    Perhaps it is too easy to get on disability benefits

    Having known some people on them, I can attest that it is not “easy” at all. Unless of course you have a disability verified by a medical practitioner, and even then, this is under constant review (in most/many cases)

    sorry, didn’t mean to repeat myself

    It is often required in order to bludgeon through some of the prejudices fond here and there AO 😉

    Ten years ago 25% of the market was Australian made.

    My understanding was that 10 years ago, 25% of the market was Holden made. Toyota and Ford also produce cars here.

    That is what I am trying to say.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:37 am

    “My understanding

    My understanding?

    My understanding is that you are a fundamentalist deadbeat who wants to stuff your immoral and failed beliefs down everybodies throat.

    The fact is under Rudd/Gillard local car manufacturing fell to 10% of the local market.

    Subsidies produced cars that nobody wanted to buy.

    But go ahead TomR and destroy the lives of even more people.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:40 am

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/government-running-costs-to-reach-record-high-as-disability-expenses-mount-20150102-12gnth.html
    Why are coalition governments always more expensive than labor?

    …Real running costs grew rapidly under the Howard government. Labor, meanwhile, managed to restrain its operating expenses despite its massive spending projects to counter the global financial crisis…

    …Former public service commissioner Andrew Podger, now a public policy professor at the Australian National University, said the expenses were a better indicator of efficiency than the size of the workforce because they included costs racked up by private contractors as well as public servants…

  70. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:46 am

    My understanding?

    Yes. You made a claim, perhaps you can sustain it?

  71. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:49 am

    government-running-costs-to-reach-record-high-as-disability-expenses-mount-

    We need Dryomm(phD) on the case to expose these bludgers!!

    GET ‘EM BACK IN THA’ HOLE!!

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:53 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/kohler-car-industry/5025360

    “In 2008, local manufacturers sold 160,000 cars out of total Australian sales of 1.1 million, or 22 per cent. In 2012, local manufacture was 138,000, or 12 per cent of the market. Year to date 2013, this is down to 10 per cent, which is to say 90 per cent of cars are imported.”

    TomR

    You have to be a Russian spy who wants to destroy Australia.

    But hey lets have more welfare because it really works.

  73. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:55 am

    From the above

    On the weekend
    I’m gonna’ have a good one
    Cos I’ll be back in the hole
    In the morning light

    From AO’s link in the other thread I hijacked

    He said one-third of restaurant and catering businesses did not trade on Sundays due to high wages.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/employers-step-up-efforts-to-get-rid-of-penalty-rates-20150102-12gylv.html

    And yet so many cafes that are open are still half empty on Sundays?

    I never liked the Sunday trading for shops, yet, when I do go now, they seem quite busy. But, I’m sure people could survive without them. And, the workers are still paid overtime rates to my knowledge? If it is worth it to open, they will. I have been told to work weekends before, and was told that the client could not afford to pay overtime. The other guys just went, oh al-right. I was more indignant (pig-headed?), and said in that case, they can afford to wait till Monday for us to work on their item. Basically, I called their bluff, assholes. They stumped it up, as I knew they would (if they really wanted it by Monday).

    Personally, I’m a big believer in Weekends, where everyone can get together and relax (not to mention to get your head out of the daily grind). For those working during that time, they should be compensated. This all out war on wages and conditions is exactly what yabot promised not to happen, so of course we were expecting it. But, like workchoices 1 and 2, this round will only highlight the good the Unions do and have done imo, (if they publicize it well enough). Perhaps this also explains why the redknecks are keeping them busy in a pointless royal witch hunt? Tie up their resources there chasing shadows, while the grubmint, chock full of lower income earners dollars, wages their war against them so the rich can get richer, (but now we get the picture).

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:57 am

    AO – I don’t mind if the Tax Dept goes after tax avoiders, I’m quite happy with all measures that reasonably limit the impost on those of us that already pay plenty of tax.

    Equally, I think those under the old aged pension should be encouraged to engage in some form of employment, training or rehabilitation, to the maximum level of their capability. Having a system that promotes people at their mid-20s existing on a pension for 40 years isn’t in anyone’s interest.
    —————
    (Ricky, next time you post some judgment made on the basis of personal experience, I’ll make sure I point out your inconsistency/hypocrisy)

  75. January 5, 2015 11:57 am

    My understanding is that you are a fundamentalist deadbeat who wants to stuff your immoral and failed beliefs down everybodies throat.

    Whoh Nellie…. Pot Kettle Black.. this self serving attention seeking troll cant tell the window from the mirror cracked..

  76. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:58 am

    lol AO

    He said if it were not for the Coalition’s crackdown on waste, the costs would be far worse.

    It’s a river in Africa isn’t it? 😉

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:02 pm

    Unless of course you have a disability verified by a medical practitioner, and even then, this is under constant review (in most/many cases)

    The Dr’s must be too soft, the coalition has brought in a new rule where those applying for disability have to be seen by their govt appointed dr.

    Of course this all fits with the ‘small government’ mantra doesn’t it 😉 [small/no govt for business oversight but huge govt intervention for those pesky leaners!]

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:10 pm

    AO – I don’t mind if the Tax Dept goes after tax avoiders, I’m quite happy with all measures that reasonably limit the impost on those of us that already pay plenty of tax.

    Those ‘big end of town’ rorts that you are always happy to stomp on, just never happen though, do they ToM? Perhaps I would be more convinced if you weren’t always kicking and judging the less well off – do you really think that people get wealthy on a disability or dole pension?

  79. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:11 pm

    Of course this all fits with the ‘small government’ mantra doesn’t it

    It’s a joke, not a mantra AO

    Federal government departments are spending eye-watering sums to know what the public is thinking and what the media is saying about them, new documents show.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-spends-up-big-on-media-monitoring-20150104-12hj88.html

    It also means that the grubmint is saying that they don’t trust private Drs either. Their opinion isn’t good enough.

    Mind you, it has always been the case (well, for quite a time now) that you also had to be assessed by centrelink staff as well after the Dr has said you are infirm enough for benefits. Sounds like they are just adding another hoop, at huge cost (and resources, aren’t we shy of Drs already?)

  80. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:12 pm

    Scum like this fucker are why the union movement, connected to a political wing need/must exist.

    Was just worth repeating 😉

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:21 pm

    The projected vast increase in human numbers is a threat to the Earth’s life-support systems, to its “carrying capacity”,

    Presumptuous of me, I know, but doesn’t one influence the other?

    Just askin’ …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No, but we’ve had a lot of change in the CLIMATE … the argument is about Climate Change not just one aspect (warming) of it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ll ignore … ToM’s attempt at unqualified psychobabble … I’m beginning to see someone who is more and more like Iain Hall … a wannabe intellectual who reads books and misunderstands the content because of a lack of work and life experience, acquired knowledge and applied learning … either that or he’s just a tory minded hypocrite … but certainly a single person with little or no interaction with a family or kids …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What kind of message does this send to society? That wealthy people break the law with impunity while the poor, the disabled and the ordinary PAYE worker bear the burden?

    It certainly reinforces what we have been saying for almost a decade on these forums, KL!

    Robber Barons still at work … economy $$$$, not socially living together … wants (greed) rather than a comfortable shared lifestyle … haves looking down on the have nots …

    And in the moment … taxes that target the have nots while leaving family trusts, negative gearing, pollie post office perqs and now ultra tax breaks for the rich and powerful …

    And still they come … The Firm now has “little George” to fill the advertising hole … and get free holidays around the world for his Mum and Dad at taxpayer’s expense … the world we live in truly is a farce … a country with a Queen as head of state in 2015 is truly laughable and demonstrates the insecurity most people seem to have in a world still controlled by – Robber Barons … so many Robber Barons (and Robber Baronesses!)

    I have grease for the tumbrils and a whetstone for the blades … all we need now is a basket or two … and lots of people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re the demise of General Motors (holden) in Australia

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-10-charts-on-the-australian-car-industry-show-why-holden-was-doomed-2013-12#car-industry-10

    FYI I was a new car salesman in the early 70’s (part of my in-house development) biggest seller then was the Datsun 180B (six weeks waiting list – meant a delay in my commission too!) …

    Nissan’s annual target then was 13% market share (achieved or surpassed well into the 80’s – the 200B damaged Nissan very badly – by then I was a Service Manager and repairing rear suspensions on every second job … looking at the charts above you can see the volatility cycle across the market (its happens to all markets) …

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:23 pm

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:24 pm

    People don’t get rich on welfare, obviously. They exist, on about $400 a week (I think).

    It’s a pity that (at least) one young woman prefers this pension to paid employment. By the time she has met transport costs there probably isn’t much financial reason to work. In my opinion this decision isn’t good for her in the long term.

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:27 pm

    But hey lets have more welfare because it really works.

    Every industry and country has it, except of course now for our automotive industry

    From TB’s link, which shows that the 10% figure is a bit of a bogey, as can be seen from market share of the companies, or the link here, which has Holden at number four in country of origin

    http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/australianmade-car-sales-hit-new-low-20140106-30cq2.html

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:28 pm

    can you get me out of mod please reb? [that is if you’re not too busy sunning yourself on a beach or drinking, eating & shopping 😆 ]

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:28 pm

    In my opinion this decision isn’t good for her in the long term.

    yer all hart Dryomm(phD) 😉

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:33 pm

    Are you making a case for increasing her pension or increasing her wages ToM?

  88. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:35 pm

    that is if you’re not too busy sunning yourself on a beach or drinking, eating & shopping

    We need morriscum to get him off of his self-fare!!

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:54 pm

    “Re the demise of General Motors (holden) in Australia

    And most of this happened under Rudd/Gillard. But the Russian spy ( aka TomR) wants us to put more money into a lost cause.

    “Every industry and country has it, except of course now for our automotive industry”

    Is this correct?? My understanding is that auto manufacturers wanted even MORE welfare because Ford pulled out. Hockey told them to get stuffed. They have been given enough money. The money they were going to get was enough.

    Am i correct or is the Russian spy correct?

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 12:55 pm

    A slight change of emphasis:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/a-slight-change-of-emphasis.html

    …Morrison to Social Services
    This assumes Morrison has attained a reputation as a competent administrator, with some sort of magical touch to get things through the Senate. This portfolio covers 20% of the Budget and the fun ain’t done in that portfolio. The people most impressed by his tough-guy antics against refugees are older people with few skills, who fret most about refugees taking their jobs, and who are also most affected by changes to pensions or unemployment.

    It also assumes Senator Marise Payne, who has basically been responsible for executing policy in this area (and helping outmaneuver Andrews brainfarts like denying young unemployed people support for six months) hasn’t done enough to warrant a promotion. Keep this in mind when you cheer Abbott’s doubling of female representation in Cabinet (more below)…

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:03 pm

    Am i correct or is the Russian spy correct?

    🙄

    Abbott has six months to get it right:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-05/matthewson-abbott-has-six-months-to-get-it-right/5999936

    …The next election is indeed two years away, but Abbott’s reckoning will take place within the next six months. He has only until then to repair his relationship with voters and turn his electoral prospects around…

  92. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:04 pm

    Hockey told them to get stuffed

    Yep. Meanwhile, he lines the pockets of the big internationals, miners and energy companies.

    Welcome to the ‘modern’ welfare state.

    And under hockeys proposal, all those workers he told to get stuffed will get nothing for 6 months of the year, unlike gina, who is rolling in the grubmints dough.

  93. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:05 pm

    Is this correct?

    Considering we have been over this dozens of times before, I’ll go with the reams of evidence I have already put up over your ramblings.

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:11 pm

    I don’t recall. My understanding is that Holden/Toyota wanted even MORE welfare because Ford pulled out. They were always going to get what Gillard promised.

    Please give me a link to prove me wrong.

    PS locally made cars fell to less than 10% under Rudd/Gillard from 25% 10 years ago. Their jobs were already gone. To have a local industry we need to have 50% locally made.

  95. January 5, 2015 1:17 pm

    It’s a pity that (at least) one young woman prefers this pension to paid employment. By the time she has met transport costs there probably isn’t much financial reason to work. In my opinion this decision isn’t good for her in the long term.

    Lots of ambiguous back-pedalling there TOM.
    Here are a few facts…
    1 Your opion is of no consequence to her well being

    2 Without incentive people are locked in a spiral of a menial existence that will lead to all sorts of problems ranging from Motivation to depression.

    3. This whole idea of things like the green army motivating people or existing on the bottom run with no hope of climbing the ladder is just pure bullshit.

    4. People will rort welfare , just like they rort tax, gambling, religion..on and on. That does not mean that this girl (who by your own admission is intellectually handicapped) less or better served by doing a shit job for low wages that may or may not be detrimental to her mental well-being.

    5 It is not as easy as people think to get a DSP… most that rort will at some point get found out. There are varying levels of ability for people as some disabilities involve that may vary depending on medical circumstance.

    My point earlier (and I am sorry if I offended you) is that you are not qualified to judge her, you dont know her body and do not live her experience. Its easy for you to say she took the easy way out but how can you know that with any degree of qualified certainty? I agree that it should be hard to make a DSP claim and it should only be for people with permanent degrading conditions that may be incurable.

    I also believe that people on DSP should be shown more respect and have pathways to work to their capacity. Many people cannot get off DSP’s because they will lose their health concessions and the cost of their meds are prohibitive.

    If that girl was given free travel, study ect.. and other incentives for instance, the system would work for her and not against her… When people are deemed guilty till proven otherwise it negates the original intent of the exercise.. empathetic compassion for those who are disabled will ultimately lead to people on DSP’s being more proactive about being productive.

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:18 pm

    Same old deception and trickery to hoodwink the public [propaganda really] there’s not much difference between the australian and nth korean governments when it comes to ‘dear leader’

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/tony-abbotts-office-excludes-tv-crew-from-iraq-trip/story-e6frg996-1227174703923?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAustralianNewsNDM+%28The+Australian+%7C+News+%7C%29

    …TONY Abbott’s office has triggered frustrations with the media by excluding a TV crew from the Prime Minister’s sudden visit to Baghdad, limiting access to his speech to Australian troops and joint statement with his Iraqi counterpart.

    A camera crew sent by the major TV networks was left in Dubai when Mr Abbott flew into Iraq with his personal staff, forcing the media to rely on footage provided by the Prime Minister’s office.

    …Mr Abbott’s visit on Sunday included a barbecue with Australian troops, where he thanked them for their efforts to combat Islamic State forces, as well as a joint statement to the press with Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi.

    All footage of the visit was shot by Mr Abbott’s own cameraman and photographer, who is paid as an adviser within the Prime Minister’s office…

    There were no questions from Australian journalists during the joint press statement from Mr Abbott and Mr al-Abadi.

  97. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:19 pm

    I don’t recall.

    That’s more your problem than mine

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:41 pm

    A very insightful post ricky, thanks

    It’s not just those on disability who are in trouble with this govt, it is also working people who are unlucky enough to have a chronic medical condition or care for a family member with one. They already have huge medical expenses encumbering them, they are going to really suffer as commenters say here:

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/halfhearted-coalition-measures-rewarded-with-drop-in-polls-20150104-12fioa.html

    …Mr Abbott’s “softening” measure in relation to GP & diagnostic co-payments still ignored the plight of Australians with chronic medical disorders not on concession cards because they, or their partner, are in employment. As a family with a young adult member with cystic fibrosis and crippling medical costs, we are hardly likely to be won over by the Prime Minister’s minor changes that neglect many of society’s sickest people.
    CommenterIna Location Date and time January 05, 2015, 7:21AM

    …Hacka, you say that Abbott has got rid of the copayment. He really hasn’t, he has just called it a different name and taken a couple of bucks off. As someone with chronic health issues, and not on a health care card, and must see my GP at least every month, due to prescribing rules about my meds, I know that this will affect my medical costs. GP’s are anything but happy about the changes, read the letter by a GP in the SMH today. The IPA has on it’s list getting rid of Medicare, and the Abbott government seems like it’s going to do this by degrees, in a stealth like manner.
    Bruce Hawker is very much ‘on the money’ with his critique on this government.
    I really do try and see any good things this government does. But, it becomes harder and harder to do so.
    CommenterJans Location Sydney Date and time January 05, 2015, 8:49AM

    Manufacturing declined sharply in December, says Ai Group index:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/manufacturing-declined-sharply-in-december-says-ai-group-index/story-e6frg926-1227174518019

    …“Business sentiment and appetite for investment remain weak.

    “The closure of Australian automotive assembly facilities now under way, plus the rapid decline in mining investment activity, are also weighing heavily on demand for locally made machinery inputs and components.”

    Four of eight manufacturing sub-sectors expanded in December, including food, beverages and tobacco…

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:52 pm

    …In my opinion this decision isn’t good for her in the long term…

    But you wouldn’t have any problem with using your influence at work to get one of your kids into a job there or asking an employer you know to give them one? Or use your private school networking? [i recall you saying this in previous conversations]

    How does that benefit your kids in the long term when they have made no effort themselves to gain employment from their own merits and have no idea of what life is like for others not so fortunate to have parents with influence?
    Do they continue to think that life should be handed to them on a platter while judging the disadvantaged and unemployed as ‘bludgers’ ?

    Just the lucky ones eh? No privilege at all?

  100. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 1:53 pm

    ‘No, but we’ve had a lot of change in the CLIMATE … the argument is about Climate Change not just one aspect (warming) of it … ‘

    Climate has always changed, predicting where its going is the tricky part.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:00 pm

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:05 pm

    “…No, but we’ve had a lot of change in the CLIMATE … the argument is about Climate Change not just one aspect (warming) of it …”

    “…Climate has always changed, predicting where its going is the tricky part…”

    Can’t reply TB, need self discipline here, don’t wanna feed the rapacious troll

  103. January 5, 2015 2:14 pm

    Egg fuck off you derailing troll stay on topic…go back in you box. Just because reb is on holidays don’t take liberties.. I see hwta your doing with you denial , train bullshit ..just fuck off…

    AO… Its all about options… Some people on the DSP may be able to work for a few day in a stretch but overdoing it may make them ill again. So they need flexibility.
    Employers need to be given a good reason to employ them as there is a vast talent pool of people caught in this net.
    What’s the point in someone working and being productive and it costs them both in health and money to do it? You cannot train a sick person to be well as you cannot motivate a person by punishing them…
    I have a disabled friend with Palsy who I am writing a screenplay with. I mentored him in Sound design and he has done a few successful plays and short films…
    He has a brain the size of a planet but is mobility impaired and cant speak properly. He has two degree’s and spends his time being productive but not commercially viable in the corporate sense. Its all relative.

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:27 pm

    1. Have I said otherwise?
    2. That looks like an “opinion” of yours that can be
    • Ridiculed
    • Attacked
    • Dismissed
    • Ignored

    I’ll have the good grace to just ignore it.
    3. So?? You’re the only one talking about the green army. This young woman worked a (private sector) warehouse. She was productively employed doing sorting and packing, she had colleagues, and seemed to enjoy their company. (Ricky, if proof is needed of your inclination to anger based on incorrect assumptions, it’s here.)
    4. Yet another incorrect assumption. Her (former) colleagues were doing the same work, they don’t have the luxury of just giving it up. There are plenty of well-intentioned agencies that seek this type of work for the intellectually disabled. They should be encouraged, but you incorrectly disdain the good work they perform
    5. Who knows, that looks like another “opinion” of yours that can be
    • Ridiculed
    • Attacked
    • Dismissed
    • Ignored

    This young woman received plenty of travel assistance, was regularly in training programs, but (according to her parents who are probably more familiar with her circumstances than you), she (with her new friend’s encouragement) found it easier to take a disability pension than to continue engaged in supported work.

    Ricky, you launched into me on the basis of a range of incorrect assumptions, I can only assume that you’re a dickhead mistaken.

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:28 pm

    …you’re a dickhead mistaken

  106. January 5, 2015 2:29 pm

    The ramifications of this for people on welfare and low incomes would be catastrophic

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:32 pm

    He has a brain the size of a planet but is mobility impaired and cant speak properly. He has two degree’s and spends his time being productive but not commercially viable in the corporate sense. Its all relative.

    And the able bodied look down upon him,considering him a liability in employment.

    look at stephen hawking [the man who knows everything]

    I guess we all knew that disability support was going to be attacked when graeme innes got axed.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/outgoing-disability-discrimination-commissioner-graeme-innes-fires-parting-shots-at-abbott-government-20140702-3b83a.html

    ..Mr Innes rejected as ”facile” the Abbott government’s use of the ”Ming Dynasty concept” of ”lifters” and ”leaners” to describe those who contribute to the economy and those who depend upon the state.”We all move from one role to the other dozens of times a day,” he said.

    He said many people with disabilities wanted to contribute more but were kept out of the workforce by discrimination.

    ”In terms of the government’s mantra that the best form of welfare is a job, they are absolutely right. Absolutely right. The problem is though that the mantra is not backed up with a jobs plan. What it’s backed up with is a welfare plan.”…

  108. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:32 pm

    Egg fuck off you derailing troll

    Well put
    Anyway, back to reality

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/gallery/2015/jan/04/south-australia-bushfires-leave-a-ghostly-trail-of-ash-and-ruin

    So much for “Run to the Hills”

    At least conditions are much better today, things are looking far better 🙂

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:41 pm

    …Prominent Liberal MP says GST should be charged on fresh food, health…
    One Liberal says charging the GST for previously exempt goods and services will solve revenue problems…

    And there it is again, the poor pay more of their income for basics like food while the wealthy continue their rorts unabated, which if reined in, would have the budget in surplus immediately.
    They can only come up with ‘solutions’ that affect the 99%.

    Has it become an all out class war now, the libs have been screaming at business leaders to sell their shitty policies for them and here they all are, bleating for the working folks to do all of the lifting…reduce wages, pay more for everything, what a surprise.

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 2:48 pm

    “Considering we have been over this dozens of times before, I’ll go with the reams of evidence I have already put up over your ramblings.

    Well i found a link which said the car industry was going to get subsidies under the Coalition. Just not the extra funding they wanted because Ford pulled out.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/holden-to-end-car-manufacturing-in-australia-and-import-cars/story-fnda1bsz-1226781056615

    “He said money earmarked for Holden would probably now be redirected to Toyota.

    “That money will go to Toyota and the component industry, providing they accept the plan that is worked out through the consultation process,” Mr Macfarlane said”

    And from the History of Holden figure

    Under Howard
    2004
    Holden produces 165,000 vehicles. Factory worker numbers= 7350

    Under Rudd/Gillard
    2013
    Australian production levels fall to its lowest since 1958 (84,000). Factory worker numbers = 1760.

  111. January 5, 2015 2:48 pm

    Ricky, you launched into me on the basis of a range of incorrect assumptions, I can only assume that you’re a dickhead mistaken.

    Is there an invisible comment there where I denigrate the work of agencies that work with the disabled ? (some of which were cut by this government is the “fair “budget) Where did I say that?

    I do see lots of anecdotal assumptions made by yourself though which blame the new “friend” as the route of the problem. Has it ever occurred to you that she just may not be happy as others perceive doing that job?

    There could well be a plethora of mitigating psychological reasons why she decided to leave that job. Chances are her parents will or may know her motivation but they also may not as is the case with most people disabled or not.

    As always Tom you’re more about opinion than fact in claiming its easy as it is in attaching what you think may be the case to your own story’s perception..

  112. January 5, 2015 2:57 pm

    This Car thing is fucking boring.. its been done to death..
    let me summarise

    Free market capitalism
    Corporate Welfare
    Unsustainable business model
    Unwanted products
    Uncompetitive Labor market
    Unwillingness to innovate
    Political footy
    Corporation bleeds economy for subsidy
    ransom ransom photo op
    hand out hand out hand out
    blame blame blame
    Exit stage right 3rd world labour
    END of story

    Now FFS and move one

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:00 pm

    The end of Medicare as we know it
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-06/maccallum-the-end-of-medicare-as-we-know-it/5186116

    …While in opposition, in the lead-up to the election, Tony Abbott insisted that Medicare was sacrosanct; why, the Liberals were the best friends Medicare had ever had. But as soon as his feet touched the ground as Prime Minister, Medicare was promptly unfriended…

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:02 pm

    Where are the facts you claim to add Ricky? I’m outlining a reasonable example of welfare rather than work, and said this is undesirable, in my opinion.

    All you’ve done is overlay these circumstances (that you know nothing about) with additional opinion (now based on the experience of your own acquaintances) spiced up with some of your base level ridicule.
    ————-
    You’ve now said – ‘ here I denigrate the work of agencies that work with the disabled ? (some of which were cut by this government is the “fair “budget) Where did I say that?”
    Decent agencies that seek paid work for people do a good job, and without any knowledge of the work she was preforming and the efforts made to get her into employment, you said –

    2 Without incentive people are locked in a spiral of a menial existence that will lead to all sorts of problems ranging from Motivation to depression.
    3. This whole idea of things like the green army motivating people or existing on the bottom run with no hope of climbing the ladder is just pure bullshit.

    Now just tell me exactly what you know about this case that is factual, rather than just posing another simple minded rant.

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:28 pm

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:36 pm

    What will the abbott do?

    Pope Francis Expected To Instruct One Billion Catholics To Act On Climate Change:

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/28/3607083/pope-francis-climate-secret-weapon-next-year/

    …Earlier this month during the climate talks in Lima, Catholic bishops from every continent called for “an end to the fossil fuel era.” This follows, they said, the need to prioritize “the immediate needs of the most vulnerable communities.” Addressing the causes and effects of climate change is a moral and social justice issue for them, as the impacts of a changing climate will disproportionately affect those who can least-ably adapt (and who did not emit most of the pollution in the first place).
    Francis’ close friend, Argentinian Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo is the Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Social Sciences. He said in an annual lecture to the British Catholic group Cafod last month: “today solid scientific evidence exists that global climate is changing and that human activity based on the use of fossil materials contributes decisively to this trend.”…

  117. January 5, 2015 3:46 pm

    You’ve now said – ‘ here as opposed to where I denigrate the work of agencies that work with the disabled ? (some of which were cut by this government is the “fair “budget) Where did I say that?”

    I never mentioned these agencies… I mentioned the Green army, which is completely useless and unproductive.

    2 Without incentive people are locked in a spiral of a menial existence that will lead to all sorts of problems ranging from Motivation to depression.
    3. This whole idea of things like the green army motivating people or existing on the bottom run with no hope of climbing the ladder is just pure bullshit.

    NOTE I said this first then you added

    There are plenty of well-intentioned agencies that seek this type of work for the intellectually disabled. They should be encouraged, but you incorrectly disdain the good work they perform

    Not the other way around as you conveniently stated….
    You said this after points 2 and 3 and it is completely fabricated I never said anything of the sort. You are projecting that all yourself… I also applaud the last governments regulation of the disability sector which was long overdue.

    Where did I say that?”
    Decent agencies that seek paid work for people do a good job, and without any knowledge of the work she was preforming and the efforts made to get her into employment, you said –
    2 Without incentive people are locked in a spiral of a menial existence that will lead to all sorts of problems ranging from Motivation to depression.
    3. This whole idea of things like the green army motivating people or existing on the bottom run with no hope of climbing the ladder is just pure bullshit.

    Instead you decided to recontextualise them both together to suit your opinion and somehow support your little tale from the trenches of how easy this disabled girl has it….

    So I will ask you strait up.. if she does not want to do this job, would you cut off her pension and force her into that job?

    See what I find grossly offensive is an able bodied person using a disabled girl as an example for the proliferation of your opinion that people with disability’s have it too easy. They should pack boxes in my factory rather than bludge on society…
    Mate you live in an empathy vacuum, what a nasty way to think.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:49 pm

    You would have thought that after Galileo the church would have learned to keep its nose out of science. Backing unscientific BS didn’t help then and it won’t help now.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:51 pm

    Work isn’t the be all and end all of our existence ToM, you sound like you are standing under the gates of Auschwitz “Work Makes You free” 🙂

    Let’s get philosophical then.

    Freedom, Capitalism, and Work
    http://naturyl.humanists.net/work.html

    …Pointing to the inherent unfairness of imposing a sense of obligation on individuals for taking part in a life they never chose is not a denial of life’s value, as some may suppose. The aim is not to complain about being alive, but to question the assumption that life is something we have to “earn.” It is common to hear life described as a “gift,” but what kind of gift comes with an obligation? If supporters of the capitalist “work ethic” were consistent, they would describe life as a “sale.” We are sold the right to live in exchange for a lifetime of labor. There is clearly no “gift” element to be found in this – at least not once we leave the shelter of childhood and enter the adult world, where we expected to begin discharging our debt to the world – and insisting that those who question this “need to grow up” simply dodges the whole issue…

    Putting it All Together

    In summary, it is my contention that capitalism is an economic system with inherently Orwellian properties. It purports to advance the common good while disregarding the common man. It celebrates individuality while demanding conformity. It promises freedom and delivers chains. By willingly participating in our own pro-work consumerist indoctrination, we sell our freedom to the merchants of greed and avarice, who are betting their own self-interested enrichment on our willingness to make the transaction. In most cases, it may be impractical to “opt-out” and totally reject employment for the sake of principle. But, if nothing else, we can at least be aware of the real reasons why we work so hard, the real nature of freedom, and the contradiction between the two…

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 3:57 pm

    Really Ricky?

    Do you honestly think that having someone on a disability pension for 40 years, as distinct from having them engage with work colleagues, giving them a sense of self support and contribution is lacking in empathy.

    Quite the contrary, subsistence living on a pension (FOR 40 YEARS) encouraging the “worthless to work” mentality, is the one lacking any empathy

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:00 pm

    …and don’t bother with the criticism about context. You made a range of inaccurate assumptions followed by insults, which started the exchange.

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:02 pm

    You would have thought that after Galileo the church would have learned to keep its nose out of science. Backing unscientific BS didn’t help then and it won’t help now.

    I think they’ve got their nose into the morals and ethics of it sb [as well as the science]

    …Pope Francis’s edict on climate change will anger deniers and US churches:
    Cardinal George Pell, a former archbishop of Sydney who has been placed in charge of the Vatican’s budget, is a climate change sceptic who has been criticised for claiming that global warming has ceased and that if carbon dioxide in the atmosphere were doubled, then “plants would love it”.

    Dan Misleh, director of the Catholic climate covenant, said: “There will always be 5-10% of people who will take offence. They are very vocal and have political clout. This encyclical will threaten some people and bring joy to others. The arguments are around economics and science rather than morality…

    for pell, morality and ethics is never an issue for him which is why he’s run to the state of rome for protection over priestly paedophilia..

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:08 pm

    Who would’ve thought that abbott would be so insecure and so determined to control his propaganda message that he would stoop to the likes of countries like north korea

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:13 pm

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:20 pm

    Even the “high school kid”* gets this better than the dolts adults now in charge …

    COALITION supporters have hit out at the Abbott government, accusing it of abandoning its base by selling out to trade unions and interest groups in its push to lower the GST threshold for online purchases.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/coalition-selling-out-to-unions-retail-groups-in-push-to-lower-overseas-online-gst-threshold/story-fnkgdftz-1227174799685

  126. January 5, 2015 4:25 pm

    Let’s get philosophical then.

    Without a philosophical approach there can be no meaning to anything other than what you dream to project beyond your own reality.

    My intention is not to be nasty to Tom…far from it (utter despaired frustration with people assuming to understand how people think is overwhelming sometimes) It is to point out a greater reality that may be apparent to him. Something that he is may well be unwilling to accept Something he cannot see due to his own blinkered ideal of the order of things that is: the girls happiness.

    You can say and think what you want but humans make what may seem strange choices to your own story, however to them, its logical because they own it. I don’t assume to know anything about this girl or her situation or he parents or her friend or her life or her thinking.

    I do however know much about the desire of human nature in the pursuit of happiness which is far from easy for the ablest and capable. I know enough to realise I know nothing of my disabled friend Ash’s plight as I sit with my over tea after having weeks of profound on line dialogue with him (where I forget his disability): having him repeat himself, while I cut up his meal because he cannot.

    There are many forms of work but the most productive is the work you spend on self. Self reflection, self enlightenment, self understanding.

    So when someone tells me they think they know how someone else feels and they are taking the easy way out…. I realise that understanding is an investment in aspiring the wisdom of a humanist.

  127. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:26 pm

    “today solid scientific evidence exists that global climate is changing and that human activity based on the use of fossil materials contributes decisively to this trend.”…

    The Catlicks have got it wrong and not for the first time.

  128. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:38 pm

    It took the Church 359 years to work out Galileo got it right, the earth goes around the shiny orb.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/01/world/vatican-science-panel-told-by-pope-galileo-was-right.html

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:41 pm

    There are many forms of work but the most productive is the work you spend on self. Self reflection, self enlightenment, self understanding.

    ahhh, that’s it, very wise and true, also the most rewarding for self and the others in your life [in the long term].

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:45 pm

    There were no questions from Australian journalists during the joint press statement from Mr Abbott and Mr al-Abadi.

    Peace in our time … then … the video and photographs were shot by WHO!

    Seig!

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:50 pm

    … she (with her new friend’s encouragement) found it easier to take a disability pension than to continue engaged in supported work

    And all of the above comments to defend/justify this one sentence …

    I think welfare is too easy to get.

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 4:50 pm

    “the most productive is the work you spend on self. Self reflection, self enlightenment, self understanding.

    Fine with me.

    But I trust that you don’t expect the taxpayer to fund this “work”

  133. January 5, 2015 4:51 pm

    …and don’t bother with the criticism about context. You made a range of inaccurate assumptions followed by insults, which started the exchange.

    Its your story Tom, it flowed from your keyboard as easily as her life on the dole with a disability. As easily as you taking a few of my words and performing a rewrite to debate points that were not in my conciousness, I never made or agree with. Who knows one day like me you may surprise yourself in the revelation that all you thought you know about people is constrained by your own mind.

    To admit you were wrong is a small divine step in the journey of self awareness and truth toward the destination of wisdoms horizon.”

  134. January 5, 2015 5:02 pm

    ahhh, that’s it, very wise and true, also the most rewarding for self and the others in your life [in the long term].

    Thanks AO.. that’s better…. 🙂

    There are many forms of unproductive work that are selfish. However the most productive is the work you spend on your own Self in Self reflection, Self enlightenment, Self understanding and Selflessness.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 5:04 pm

    I hope ToM’s friend’s daughter is having a great time. Why should her disability have her confined only to a sheltered workshop? If the sons and daughters of the wealthy can have their ‘gap year’ on the taxpayer, I think someone with a disability should be allowed time to find herself too.

    It’s hard to feel dignified in underpaid work:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-21/young-its-hard-to-feel-dignified-in-underpaid-work/5211154

    …The Federal Government has threatened to crack down on Disability Support Pension recipients, but it’s hard to earn a living while being paid less than $2 an hour…

    …But what if your job didn’t pay you enough to enjoy those things? What if you were paid so little that you still had to rely on welfare to survive? What if you were paid, say, $1.79 an hour?

    …Fortunately for me, a wrong answer (of which I’m sure I gave many) had no impact on my salary. In contrast, an incorrect or inadequate answer to one of these questions while being assessed using the BSWAT could see your $3 per hour reduced to something like $1.79 an hour.

    In December 2012, the Federal Court ruled the BSWAT was discriminatory under the Disability Discrimination Act in the cases of two intellectually disabled men, Gordon Prior and Michael Nojin, who were employed in two different ADEs. The court decision only applied to these two individuals and their specific cases, which means other people with intellectual disabilities are still being paid wages decided by their assessment under a tool that is known to be unfair…

    Take Action to Stop Sheltered Workshop Wage Exploitation:
    http://www.daru.org.au/resource/temporary-exemption-sought-for-sheltered-workshop-wages

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 5:10 pm

    generalised anecdotal fabrication

    Says the guy who’s just posted about a range of “friends” to justify his positon.

    you are not qualified in the slightest to make that statement

    Sys the guy who’s posted opinions about the capacity and intelligence of his “friends”

    you are hyperventilating your own prejudices and attaching them as opinions once again without and substantive factual support

    …and let’s look at all the “facts” Ricky has so far posted in this exchange..

    I’m calling you out on this as utter projected bullshit.

    Says the guy who lapses into insults, personal experience and “friends” to justify each comment he’s made so far on this topic.

    ———–
    All this while assuming that it was some form of “green army” or “menial” work.

  137. January 5, 2015 5:11 pm

    But I trust that you don’t expect the taxpayer to fund this “work”

    Very few things in life are free, even the wondrous reflection of ripples on a pond can be lost to the static of ones ego enslaved to want.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 5:15 pm

    What’s fair pay for a fair day’s work for the intellectually disabled?
    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4072086.htm

    …Workers with intellectual disabilities from what used to be known as ‘sheltered workshops’ are seeking back pay after the Federal Court ruled that paying them a fraction of the minimum wage was discriminatory and they are fighting their case despite a Government offer of half what they’re claiming in return for dropping their case…

    …LOUISE MILLIGAN, REPORTER: This is Tyson Comrie-Duvall, heading home after a long day’s work. Tyson earns $1.79 an hour packing muesli bars and jellybeans. In seven years, he’s had a five-cent pay rise.

    This is Matthew Hillis, he loves his factory job driving a forklift and packing goods. He gets $4.50 an hour and his earnings mean his disability pension is docked…

    …LOUISE MILLIGAN: Wages for workers like Alysia were regularly assessed under the BSWAT system. It produced some bizarre results.

    KAIRTSY WILSON, ASSN OF EMPLOYEES WITH DISABILITIES LEGAL CENTRE: She actually answered all the questions correctly for the occ’ health and safety, yet she was marked “not yet competent” in that section and I said, “Why has she been marked ‘not yet competent’ here?” And it was because she had been observed in the factory picking up a piece of paper from the floor without bending her knees.

    LOUISE MILLIGAN: Alysia’s pay was cut by 75 per cent…

    A Legacy of Exploitation: Intellectual disability, unpaid labor, & disability services
    http://newpol.org/content/legacy-exploitation-intellectual-disability-unpaid-labor-disability-services

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 5:21 pm

    All this while assuming that it was some form of “green army” or “menial” work.

    What brilliant and highly paid sheltered workshop work has this foolish girl rejected ToM?

    I like how she doesn’t know her own mind and what she wants, everything blamed on the ‘new friend’

  140. January 5, 2015 5:25 pm

    All this while assuming that it was some form of “green army” or “menial” work.

    Didn’t say that.. they are examples.. nor did I say it was good for her to be on welfare for 40 years… Tell ya what pack boxes for a week and then I will consider that ample qualification.

    Just so happens I worked in the Ajax box factory in Botany for 6 weeks when I left school and there were 4 disabled people there… most shitty job I ever had (well apart from roofing)

    You seem to have a comprehension problem…

    You are very defensive about this Tom.. have I struck a nerve?

    I am dead certain that you think that she has it easy…

    Let me guess.. you are the nasty guy in the corner who bears all these grudges, thinks he knows what’s best for everyone and is always right..

    And I don’t see you blowing be out of the water with a Phyc, special needs or associated qualifications…

  141. January 5, 2015 5:27 pm

    So Tom are you going to answer my question?
    Would you cut off her pension? ….

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 5:31 pm

    From the 7:30 link:

    …David Barbagallo runs 230 not-for-profit disability enterprises around the country. He’s adamant that if they were forced to pay higher wages, businesses like those would close.

    SENATE COMMITTEE MEMBER: What sort of quantum of people who currently work for you would you be talking about, roughly, losing their jobs?

    DAVID BARBAGALLO, NOT-FOR-PROFIT CEO: Well I’d expect 90 per cent…

    …JOSH BORNSTEIN: We know that there’s an enormous amount of research that says that people go to work not just for money, but, at the same time, getting paid a proper wage is recognition of someone’s worth and is important to their sense of well-being and dignity in the workplace. There is no excuse in this country for paying anyone $1 an hour…

    Unbelievable, I’d rather see those businesses close than profit from exploitation of the disabled and disadvantaged.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 6:03 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-spends-up-big-on-media-monitoring-20150104-12hj88.html

    …Abbott government spends up big on media monitoring

    Tony Abbott’s government departments are spending eye-watering sums to know what the media is saying about them…

    Very insecure is #onetermtony

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 6:16 pm

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 7:01 pm

    Welcome to parenting in the 21st Century …

    … a five yo? … father says ” he was walking behind me”? … the boy was playing with father’s mobile phone at the time … ?

    The poor little bugger wasn’t being looked after properly!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/little-boy-ryan-atkinson-5-the-victim-of-post-christmas-sales-madness-at-macarthur-square/story-e6frfkp9-1227172892230

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2015 7:06 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/thousands-of-vic-defence-jobs-at-risk/story-e6frfku9-1227175007177

    Just what is going on here?

    I’m smelling a larger rat somewhere … all part of a strange misguided tory strategy for their future … it stinks of sinister …

  147. Meta permalink
    January 5, 2015 7:32 pm

    (Not really seeing how deliberately cutting supply lines to vast swathes of territory in Iraq and Syria is ensuring regional food security for millions; or how $14 per head for a month is really doing much to sustain more than a subset pseudoadequately, but ya know, we’re helping, seige-like.)

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2015 7:40 pm

    AO – ” What brilliant and highly paid sheltered workshop work has this foolish girl rejected ToM?

    That’s the arrogance that you’ve (unusually) repeated AO. It wasn’t a “sheltered workshop”, it was a normal warehouse and administration centre, where they packaged up some straightforward activities (mailing, taping up boxes, labelling etc) into a proper job for someone with a mild intellectual disability.

    You and RIcky seem to have a problem with that.

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:01 pm

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:07 pm

    That’s the arrogance that you’ve (unusually) repeated AO. It wasn’t a “sheltered workshop”, it was a normal warehouse and administration centre, where they packaged up some straightforward activities (mailing, taping up boxes, labelling etc) into a proper job for someone with a mild intellectual disability.

    they don’t call them sheltered workshops now ToM

    into a proper job for someone with a mild intellectual disability.

    with a proper pay to match?

    or a reduced rate of pay ‘for someone with a mild intellectual disability’?

    What is her pay rate?

  151. egg permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:25 pm

    ‘they don’t call them sheltered workshops now ToM’

    They are places of transition into the real workforce, but failing to graduate they probably stay in the laundry… a sheltered workshop for those with mental disability.

    They are happy in their work and if Morrison intends gutting them, then he won’t be getting my vote.

  152. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:35 pm

    But I trust that you don’t expect the taxpayer to fund this “work”

    How could they be, they’re far too busy funding miners and accountants to worry about pesky things like the disabled.

    What if you were paid, say, $1.79 an hour?

    Ask the Wal-mart workers

    is ensuring regional food security for millions

    Ask AWB 😯

  153. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:45 pm

    As for disabled “sheltered” workshops, I have seen the benefits that many intellectually disabled people gain from them. But, it is obviously an area ripe for the taking by unscrupulous people, and quite obviously requires a lot of that dastardly REGULATION. I have a friend though who is a leading hand in a workshop like this, and from what I know of him and how he talks of his work, I am sure he has the best interests of his charges in mind. I also have a friend whose son is intellectually disabled but works in a similar workshop, and he enjoys it immensely, money is not an issue with him, due mainly (I think) to his particular disability. I’m not sure of the money issue with the other example I mentioned though.

    But, after reading AO’s 7.30 link, it is clear that there are those manipulating the system, and they need to be dealt with accordingly. As for yomms inanity, I think this sums up my opinion of someone with a long history of arguing to remove almost any and all workers rights now coming out with this Unicorn to yet again attack those least able to protect themselves.

  154. Tom R permalink
    January 5, 2015 8:53 pm

    We will probably never know their names, but one thing we do know – one in 20 of the richest people in Australia tried to evade paying their fair share of tax in recent years.

    ………

    A small rise in income can dramatically changes the lives of the poorest one billion on our planet – people who live on less than $1 a day. Nevertheless the government has seen fit to cut Australia’s foreign aid to its lowest level since records began in 1954.

    Given our overall wealth, this shames us all.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tax-evasion-by-super-rich-hurts-every-australian-20150103-12gbd5.html

    Our country is officially a fuckwit!

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:04 pm

    Queensland fraud squad failed to act on kidnap allegations against Clive Palmer’s adviser Andrew Crook:
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-05/qld-fraud-squad-failed-to-act-on-palmer-adviser-fraud-claim/6000510

  156. January 5, 2015 9:13 pm

    You and RIcky seem to have a problem with that.

    Last word and still projecting I see…Tom

    2 bob mind reader… good luck with that

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:25 pm

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:28 pm

    The above joan evatt tweet and response was in regard to there being no mention of the sa/vic bushfires from the PM or any LNP mp

    .https://twitter.com/Boeufblogginon/status/552030219964383233

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:33 pm

    Check up on them before you vote

    How does your MP vote on the issues that matter to you?:

    https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 9:56 pm

  161. January 5, 2015 10:15 pm

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2015 10:50 pm

    I see concentration camps have been mentioned. Well this is what the ALP/Greens built from 2007-2013

    Wickham Point (established in Darwin in 2011)
    Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
    Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
    Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
    There was also
    Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
    Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
    Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″
    Manus Island reopened in 2012

    It was the ALP/Greens who built the concentration camps.
    It was the ALP/Greens who locked up record numbers of people.
    It was the ALP/Greens who locked up record numbers of children

    It was the ALP/Greens who encouraged people to come to Australia by boat leading to several thousand drownings.

    It was the ALP/Greens who sold our humanitarian places to the highest bidder destroying the lives of thousands of people in UNHCR camps who we would have taken if Howard was in power.

    ALP/Greens people have no conscience and do not care about the damage they cause. Doing untold damage and not giving a stuff about the lives they destroy.

    Natural totalitarians the lot of them. And the same thing will happen if the ALP gets back in.

  163. January 5, 2015 10:57 pm

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:06 pm

    Queensland Premier expected to call snap election:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-05/queensland-premier-expected-to-call-snap-election/6001476
    A date is expected to be announced tomorrow for an election in Queensland, likely to be the end of January or early February.

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:23 pm

    It was as if they knew the campaigning whistle was about to start. And this morning’s Courier Mail left no doubt about the coverage to come:

    http://www.politicalowl.com/home/2015/01/05/the-courier-mails-foretaste-of-the-election-coverage-to-come-bikies-back-labor/

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:36 pm

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2015 11:47 pm

  168. January 6, 2015 12:53 am

    Compelling article about the Corporate Oligarchs The Koch brothers, Libertarians and architects of the Tea Party from witch the modern Liberal party is modelled. A sickening tale of greed with heinous disregard for the laws that protect society from criminally negligent corporations.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-20140924

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/koch-industries-responds-to-rolling-stone-and-we-answer-back-20140929

  169. January 6, 2015 5:36 am

    ”””””””I’m quite happy to pay welfare to people without the capacity to work, but it is too readily available to those with capacity.””””’

    #The usual half-baked horse-shit from `our` Corporate Personal Fluffer l see,

    #THIS ””the capacity to work, but it is too readily available to those with capacity.””

    #The so-called `problem` is NOT capacity of people to work, even if it is continually and falsely broadcast to the population, the `problem` IS LACK OF LIVING-WAGE JOBS

    #shadow employment/welfare minister oconnor said

    ”””””””””””””’get a headline in the newspapers with the 40 job applications,” Mr O’Connor said.
    “[They] didn’t think through the implications, didn’t think that this would mean 30 million job applications a month when there’s not even a couple of hundred thousand jobs on offer.
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-07/government-backs-down-on-controversial-dole-changes/5794540
    ”””””””””””””’

    #Unfortunately `our` Tinfoil Cubicle Dweller mindlessly regurgitates the blatant lies the teabags peddle, as he has no life experience beyond the cubicle which he can use to observe the world and draw related conclusions from.

    Here yomm, this is how its done.

    #Monster Retail Outlets are now installing `self-serve` check-outs, therefore there will be a reduction/sacking of `check-out chicks` at the coles/woolies supermarkets, k-mart, big-w etc

    #Prediction-1, layoffs and less staff/hours in retail jobs, will result in higher `dole` numbers in a similar re-run of `bank-teller` jobs when ATM`s started, pay will stay low for those remaining.

    #Prediction-2, youth un/employment numbers will rise steeply, `checkout` chicks are ENTRY level jobs, so much for getting kids into jobs.

    #Prediction-3, Aldi will benefit as `elderly` shoppers flock to them, they often struggle with the damn card and pin, they don`t want to be swamped with the `self-checkout`, (Aldi don`t have them).

  170. January 6, 2015 7:56 am

    Ricky, agree with you on the disability-girl-pensioner no longer working, when it comes to working `real` fcuking jobs or welfare, yomm is fcuking a clueless zealot, armchair is bang-on with the nazi `work will set you free` slogan. Being an indoctrinated zealot that has been pushed arse-backwards into a cosy work situation, he does `project` his situation onto everybody elses which leads him to state arrogantly and ignorantly, what `he` declares is `reasonable` for others to be paid, how much shit they should tolerate, and how little they `deserve`, despite never having worked in that `actual` job, or circumstances.

    A worker, a CEO, and yomm sit at at table. On the table is a dozen donuts, of which, the CEO promptly eats 11 of the donuts. The CEO then turns to yomm and says `that worker want to eat your donut`.

    #This is the way yomm thinks, a true believer of corporate indoctrination, and practices the `downward-envy` he has been trained in. This is why he can bleat incessantly about the tax `he` pays supports some bludger, and thinks the bludger is on welfare, when in reality, the greatest bludging parasites in our nation are the mega-rich who pay minute percentages of tax, off-shore in havens, and have loopholes and rebates that minimises their taxable to levels unjust to the rest of us.

  171. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 8:05 am

    see yabots super secret Iraq trip (which has been reported overseas for at least a week in advance now), didn’t allow any journo’s or photographers to join him except for his personal photographer. There was apparently a media scrum that flew to Iraq with him, but were not permitted to go anywhere once there, and so only his press releases and his personal photographers shots were used.

    Perhaps his personal photographer needs to read the back ground whiteboards more careful (unless photoshop is at work again?)

  172. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 8:21 am

    re the GP abuses inflicted on an unassuming electorate by deer leeder, it looks like, as I guessed at earlier, the real killer is the changes to the rebate for consultations under 10 minutes. The killer line “For many GP’s, the rebate will no longer cover the cost of providing that service, and bulk-billing will become a loss-making exercise.”

    The takeout from that, as far as I can see, is that bulk-billing is dead. So, providing exceptions for pensioners etc will not mean jack shit when nobody is offering it anymore.

    And the worst part, according to this facebook tweet (?) (or perhaps the comment I found it through), these changes are already in, snuck through without any oversight during the xmas break. I’m not 100% sure on that though at the moment, but the message clearly indicates that number one will be coming into effect on the 19/1/2015, and number one is the one that will kill bulk billing, the first major step in the dismantling of Medicare.

    fuckers!

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:08 am

    The Courier Mail can hardly be faulted for pointing out the bleeding obvious. It is no surprise that bikies, being partners in crime with unions like the CFMEU and MUA, support the ALP. That is how things go down in Unionland.

  174. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:18 am

    Funniest thing in that story I read about nasty Bikies in Queensland, is that most are apparently swapping their vote from lib to Labor.

    So, the lib power-base, in the past, had been built from Bikies blood money (if you follow the murdoch logic, which I don’t)

    murdoch is so pathetic, does anybody really credence any reality to their bile anymore? (the usual suspects ignored of course sb 😉 )

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:45 am

    How thoroughly unsurprising, Teabagz adds nothing, zilch, nix, naught, zip, zero

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:46 am

    Yes, here is Victoria I think there is a CFMEU (Comancheros Branch)

  177. egg permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:56 am

    ‘yomm is fcuking a clueless zealot’

    The irony burns.

  178. Meta permalink
    January 6, 2015 9:59 am

    (Given the penchant for gang-colour blue, lithesome lycra, adornment with club-sponsor slogos, and dubious interrelationships with entitled entities, an outside observer might be hard-pressed to distinguish the contemporary LNP from a bikie organization, anyway.)

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:13 am

    Yeah!!

    Those upstanding CFMEU leaders are nothing like those horrid bikies!!


  180. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:16 am

  181. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:19 am

    fckn bikies Unions!! 😯

  182. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:19 am

    THUGS!!

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:24 am

    Heavens!!

    TV reporters are annoyed that they didn’t get to go overseas!! I’m also outraged!!

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:33 am

    Abbott won an election because of the utter incompetence of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. We feared he would not be much better and so it has transpired. Abbott will be run out of office for the same reason as the ALP – utter incompetence. Not that Shorten will be any better but the electorate has lost faith in the Abbott government and can’t wait to show them the door.

  185. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:37 am

    Dryomm(phD) agrees with restricting freedom of the press?

    Yays for an “open” grubmint (just another broken promise)

    Dryomm(phD) is happy hearing yabots version of events rather than a wide range of views, from which we can try and discern the actual events.

    You are happy with the Chinese model of information sharing I guess Dryomm(phD)?

    I’m going to guess that yabots not so secret secret squirrel caper is a glowing success (he said it was)

    Also interesting to hear that our forces on the ground are not yet actually ….. on the ground ❓

  186. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:39 am

    Abbott won an election because of the utter incompetence of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. underhandedness of rudd and the unhinging of our media outlets.

    A media who are now surprised at the fucken idiot they helped into power, fuckwits!

  187. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:52 am

    THUGS!!

  188. Meta permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:53 am

    (Yep; replacing direct observation and scrutiny by the Fourth Estate with stage-managed PR by one and/or another of the Three Estates is good for democracy; and either acquiescing to that paradigm or cheering it on is (the) ideal; although, TB’s film review never did quite say what happened with/to Peter, or with/to the donuts.)

  189. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:53 am

    THUGS!

    ……………..

    The royal commission itself has since shown many of the claims made by the ABC and Fairfax to be either totally false or unsubstantiated.

    There’s a big difference between widespread corruption in the construction industry and widespread corruption in the construction union.

    ………………..

  190. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:55 am

    or with/to the donuts.

    I blame the #unionbikiethugs!!

  191. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 11:40 am

    THUGS!

    Earlier this year, a Ministerial Determination by Minister Michaela Cash removed the need for off-shore resource companies to test the Australian labour market before employing overseas workers.

    At the time, we predicted this would lead to a wholesale loss of Australia jobs and unfortunately this seems to be right.

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 6, 2015 11:40 am

    TomR, Rudd was definitely underhanded, so why did the ALP, having already told the Australian people how toxic Rudd was, reinstate him as leader and try to pass him off to the Australian people as PM? That reasoning, that behaviour, is emblematic of the low state of Australian politics. Abbott is no better and I don’t expect Shorten to be much different either.

  193. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 11:44 am

    Two can play that game – how about the media ignore all abbott pressers and statements, ignore him completely, wouldn’t take long before they’re cosy again.

    Abbott is doing what he always does, stopping any scrutiny of what he says and does, and that is because he stuffs it up every time. Didn’t want any photos of him playing with guns and audio of ‘shit happens’.

    His government will be known by it’s total secrecy of information and propaganda abbott has turned into kim jung-on!

  194. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 11:50 am

    reinstate him as leader and try to pass him off to the Australian people as PM?

    Good question. I never liked it, but then, I’m not a pollie 😉

    With 20/20, it is now being argued by some (who might be said are putting the best light on a poor decision) that this was really the only way to get rid of him completely. Obviously, he turned out to be a far more deranged fool than anyone could anticipate, and nothing except an election loss could prevent that.

    It really was looking like Labor were gone for good by the time they re-instated him. His job of undermining and chaos had been so successful that no matter who took them to the election, they were toast.

    The other thing is, the attacks on Gillard were so unrelenting and unhinged that even a total fuckwit like rudd would have got more seats than she could have.

    Considering he wasn’t going away, and considering the likelihood of further leaks during the election, this does seem to be a plausible explanation. It also explains the absolute silence that he was greeted with by Labor at Gough Whitlams funeral. He is obviously despised within their ranks now, but, at least he is gone.

    And good fucken riddance.

    He could have been lionisd as the man who saw off howard, instead, he will be remembered as a snivelling rat who brought down a great Government.

    Like I said, that’s just one take on the situation 😉

  195. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 11:54 am

    and audio of ‘shit happens’.

    BAZINGA! 🙂

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:02 pm

  197. egg permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:07 pm

    ‘Abbott will be run out of office for the same reason as the ALP – utter incompetence.’

    He still has a couple of years to prove himself worthy of high office, bit I agree they look like a bunch of novices.

  198. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:07 pm

    lolAO

    Maybe we should start another one

    “The Bikies made me do it!” 🙂

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:08 pm

    Obviously, he turned out to be a far more deranged fool than anyone could anticipate, and nothing except an election loss could prevent that.

    The ‘mad monk’ moniker and paul keating’s assessment – “if Tony Abbott ends up the prime minister of Australia, you’ve got to say, God help us, he truly is an intellectual nobody and has no policy ambition.” weren’t any clues?

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:11 pm

    Oh, my mistake, I thought you were talking about abbott and now I realise it was rudd.
    Both deranged and dangerous [to the nation] fools IMO

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:16 pm

    Heavens!!
    TV reporters are annoyed that they didn’t get to go overseas!! I’m also outraged!!

    They paid $10,000 each to fly over, they were right there and not allowed to attend.

  202. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:23 pm

    Both deranged and dangerous [to the nation] fools IMO

    I AGREE!

    rudd “[to the nation] ” because he allowed the mad monk into power (it still makes me cringe saying it )

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:28 pm

    Oh well then, if the CEO’s don’t like the democracy the rest of us have to live with, change it! #whoreallyrunsthecountry

  204. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:29 pm

    They paid $10,000 each to fly over, they were right there and not allowed to attend.

    Have they officially changed the PMO title to be the MOT yet?

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:39 pm

    It was as if they knew the campaigning whistle was about to start. And this morning’s Courier Mail left no doubt about the coverage to come:

    The bikIEs can “back Labor” all they want … the Noddy & The Nitwit’s have shot themselves in the foot … with all the stealing, rackets, resignations and sackings, the usual cronyism and nepotism associated with the LNP … and now the big bang, supporting the bikERs in dangerous and self defeating laws …

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/cyclists-fear-motorist-backlash-over-new-road-rules/story-fnn8dlfs-1227174320911

    Read the comments after the article and (if you are a rusted on) weep …

    … and Noddy himself may lose his seat by all accounts … maybe a a 50/50 poll right after Xmas is a clever strategy …

  206. January 6, 2015 12:46 pm

    I wonder if Tabbott will campaign in QLD to help Noddy get over the line… .

  207. January 6, 2015 12:47 pm

    The line between the cliff and the ambulance that is.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 12:49 pm

    So if an election has been called, why are we still seeing Qld Govt ads on TV ?

    Why did we ever see them AT ALL … either the state is broke (like the nation???) or its not?

    Hypocrisy writ large by incompetence writ small …

    Where are our investigative journalists!!!

    None of them these days can spell or apply correct grammar … let alone ask meaningful questions …

    Has anyone else noticed that at press conferences you can only hear the ANSWERS not the questions from the “journos” … dumb and dumber …

  209. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:05 pm

    Where are our investigative journalists!

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Oh, you were being seriousness 😯

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:11 pm

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:17 pm

    Oh, you were being seriousness

    All of my comments are, TR!

    Well most … anyway …

    OK, some are some aren’t …

    erm … tongue in cheek?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Anything for the power, the money and the glory!

    This morning I visited the Acting Governor. Writs have been issued for 31 January 2015. The most important election in many years. #qldpol
    — Campbell Newman (@theqldpremier) January 6, 2015

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-premier-campbell-newman-has-called-a-snap-election-for-january-31/story-fnj4alav-1227175877756

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:32 pm

    letters page smh 5/1/14

    …With all due respect to business owners (having been one myself), the irony is not lost on me regarding your article, “Penalty rates under fire”, on page 1 followed by an article on page 7: “Retailers still expect $61b sales binge”. The question begs, who do retailers think is doing the spending if not, in fact, some of those who are paid penalty rates? This seems to be the classic “have your cake and eat it too” mentality: pay employees less but expect them to spend the same, if not more.

    Economics 101: you have to pay people enough to be able to afford the very things they are making/selling – if not, who then buys those items? Economics 102: whereas the wealthy tend to invest their moneys, it is the lesser-income people who purchase items. A quick look at the US economy and wealth distribution will show you the consequences of cutting wages/earnings.

    Bryan Fowler Oakdale

    So let me get this right. Businesses wanted longer opening hours on the weekend, but the tradeoff was that they had to pay their staff more for having to give up their weekend. Now it’s been a success, they want to reduce the pay of their staff because fewer people stay home on the weekend. Brilliant!

    Alan Lambert Burwood

    Australia’s biggest brickmaker, Brickworks, wants to abolish weekend penalty rates for workers because they are “eating into profits” and the “sector is battling to keep prices down”. This is the same Brickworks accused by the Independent Commission Against Corruption last year of illegally channelling $125,000 to the NSW Liberal Party before the 2011 election. If Brickworks stopped giving massive amounts to politicians, it will have a better chance of keeping profits up and prices down, while still paying workers (who actually do something for the money) their just deserts.

    Paul Miles Gorokan…

    #onetermtony

  213. Meta permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:45 pm

    (“Central to Mr Newman’s pitch will be an appeal to voters for
    certainty, with the LNP planning to privatise assets to reduce debt if it wins this election.”

    Whereas one had assumed that Campbell would be calmly, clearly, and confidently explaining to Queenslanders that they’d likely be footing the even better and even smarter future retail price of any wholesale ‘improvements’ made by asset lessees upon those underlying public assets’ returns; admittedly, a very minor detail, and a modest additional impost, all to the good and to the betterment of the State; and one, no doubt, substantially- and well-contained through the (quasi-commercial-)in-confidence advices and expertise yielded by a hundred-million dollars’ worth, give and/or take, in independent consultancy fees already paid out to the usual, firmly-professional structurers of such complex public-private transactions and transfers; one cannot now be entirely sure, as said, based on cursory and preliminary reporting, that precisely that which has most recently been widely advertised (a)politically as being that even better and even smarter planned option, upon having asked and upon having heard from the Queensland public their view(s), than that which previously had been rejected/abandoned/up-down-re-de-graded, has not now reverted, once again, to form; to wit, full privatisation upon re-election.)

  214. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 6, 2015 1:51 pm

    If Brickworks stopped giving massive amounts to politicians, it will have a better chance of keeping profits up”

    Usually there is a high rate of return from bribery of public officials. If it were not for that pesky ICAC this strategy would have worked as usual, NSW being what it is.

  215. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 2:26 pm

    According to yabot, it isn’t the NSW libs that are at fault, it is the laws that are at fault!

    Hard to ignore that thinking without actually …… thinking

  216. egg permalink
    January 6, 2015 2:41 pm

    ‘Hard to ignore that thinking without actually …… thinking’

    He maybe suffering from cognitive dissonance.

  217. January 6, 2015 2:52 pm

  218. January 6, 2015 3:08 pm

    I wonder if Tabbott will campaign in QLD to help Noddy get over the line… .

    LOL.. see my in moderation post

    He still has a couple of years to prove himself worthy of high office, bit I agree they look like a bunch of novices.

    He was an utterly useless Minister, a poor orator, does not inspire leadership, cannot negotiate, crap mediator, devoid of empathy , awkwardly socially disconnected, elitist, guided by imaginary friends, combative instead of conciliatory,vindictive, corrupt, untrustworthy, untruthful, lacks vision, incompetent, uncreative, slow of mind, secretive, unaware, ignorant, embarrassingly un-statesman like , despised by the electorate, a general nasty person, a complete fucking asshole and a shockingly poor communicator

    Just ..how will he get better?

  219. January 6, 2015 3:15 pm
  220. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2015 3:22 pm

    He maybe suffering from cognitive dissonance.

    You’re the expert there

    https://mobile.twitter.com/biscuitdigital/status/552252151871700993/photo/1

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 6, 2015 3:26 pm

    Spot on, Bed Pann! The elctroate knows all they need to know about Abbott. There is nothing he can do. And even if he wanted to, he is too inept. Just as Rudd and Gillard were unable to change their spots.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 3:48 pm

    Meta,

    Got it in 101!

    The last government lost because it SOLD OFF ASSETS … this government tried to cheat and mesmerise with a loaded questionnaire … that is was better to LEASE FOR 99 YEARS …

    When will politicians wake up to the fact that many of us are now educated and knowledgeable (in many cases more than the pollies) and it is no longer 1915!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    NSW being what it is. …

    A few bikies and the CFMEU would level up the playing field … y’know two bunches of arseholes … have to make shit that doesn’t stink … surely?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He maybe suffering from cognitive dissonance.

    Cognitive distance … this wanker can’t even remember the name of a well known TV presenter (twice in minutes) just ask Chris … imagine a PM with dementia … oh wait?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wonder if Tabbott will campaign in QLD to help Noddy get over the line… .

    Oh, I do hope so … !

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He was an utterly useless Minister, a poor orator, does not inspire leadership, cannot negotiate, crap mediator, devoid of empathy , awkwardly socially disconnected, elitist, guided by imaginary friends, combative instead of conciliatory,vindictive, corrupt, untrustworthy, untruthful, lacks vision, incompetent, uncreative, slow of mind, secretive, unaware, ignorant, embarrassingly un-statesman like , despised by the electorate, a general nasty person, a complete fucking asshole and a shockingly poor communicator

    Just ..how will he get better? Ricky Pan

    Almost eligible for the cellophane wrapped C&W CD Award!

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 4:23 pm

    Spot on, Bed Pann! The elctroate knows all they need to know about Abbott. There is nothing he can do…

    You’re so right sb and ricky. He was never liked by the public throughout his career in politics, he’s the thug, bullyboy and headkicker.
    Even when he held his re-boot mea culpa, he still couldn’t look people in the eye and actually say sorry, it was the most insincere hand-on-heart, ‘sweating blood’ performance ever. The only genuine emotion was anger, anger at having to do it at all, I bet he would’ve rather give us all the middle finger and walk off, how dare we not accept what he dishes out!

    Queenslanders will go to the polls in a snap election on January 31 to give their verdict on Premier Campbell Newman’s dash-for-growth Liberal-National Party government.

    A snippet from behind the crikey paywall [which BTW, has released all 2014 articles from the paywall]

    Newman calls Qld election, News Corp provides the pro-LNP puffery:

    …His early election call — predicted by Crikey last month — is aimed at capitalising on the recent makeover of his government and that of the equally unpopular Team Abbott in Canberra. Newman will present voters with a coal-and-casinos platform promising tens of thousands of jobs, new infrastructure and massive foreign investment. However, the government’s figures are rubbery, the outcomes are largely fictional, and costings have been dreamed up by advertising agencies, not economists. Think of the ABC comedy series Utopia and you’ve got the picture.

    Newman’s re-election strategists are hoping that Queenslanders won’t notice the deception. After all, most voters will be celebrating Australia Day, lazing on sun-drenched beaches following the cricket, tennis and the Asian Cup, and getting ready to return to work and the kids back to school.

    The LNP has the added support of Rupert Murdoch’s daily newspapers in Brisbane, the Gold Coast, Townsville and Cairns and an election war chest amply topped up by coal and gas mining interests and property developers.

    Newman’s biggest worry isn’t winning the election, but retaining his own Brisbane seat of Ashgrove. After soaking the constituency with cash, the Premier has narrowed the gap with his Labor opponent Katie Jones but it remains a cliffhanger…

  224. egg permalink
    January 6, 2015 4:29 pm

    ‘You’re the expert there’

    You’re too kind, luv the poster.

    ‘Just ..how will he get better?’

    He won’t change, but if the government as a whole performs better over the next coupe of years then the electorate may see him in a different light.

    His reelection will be dependent on massive foreign investment in infrastructure.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 4:32 pm

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-in-iraq,7234

    Actually this bob ellis piece is pretty funny

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-in-iraq,7234

    …ABBOTT FOUND HIMSELF more welcome in Baghdad than the Adelaide Hills last weekend, and nervously promised them money he was taking away from soldiers’ orphans, the disabled and the old in his adopted country, Australia — a stupid thing to do.

    Is there a pattern to his incompetence, or is he merely splashing around in a whirlpool of 2010 hyperbole that is slowly sucking him down?

    Trawling for corpses’ is one of his themes. In the Indian Ocean, in the Ukraine, in the waters off Tasmania, he is spending a billion dollars in quests for the dead that might have been spent on the living…

    …Last Post politics’ seems to be another. If there’s a war on anywhere, he wants to be in it. If there’s an anniversary of some tragedy, he wants to speak at it. If there’s a Cathedral sermon for crash victims, he wants to be its compere. Walking behind coffins, proclaiming that death brings us together and God knows what he’s doing, and it all has a purpose, suits his mindset, formed as it was in a crucifictive death cult, Christianity, whose slaughtered Messiah brings comfort, somehow, to the relatives of the recently dead; he no longer alleges they will see them again, but merely that we will remember them…

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 4:45 pm

    Ten vital things to remember about the Newman Government on January 31:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/ten-reasons-to-remember-the-newman-government–unkindly,7235

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 5:34 pm

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 5:39 pm

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 5:46 pm

    http://wixxyleaks.com/working-for-the-weekend-penalty-rates-are-in-the-firing-line-and-heres-why/

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 7:13 pm

    Breaking News. Tim Nichols livid with election call. Pre empted his challenge??Infighting in NLP set to erupt …

    And just a change of the face … the LNP isn’t “run” by the LNP …

    Still good news …

    Poll hours ago … Kate Jones 52% Noddy Newman 41% …

    Earlier …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-07/ashgrove-voters-put-kate-jones-ahead-of-campbell-newman/5949526

    We live in exciting times … ’cause with any luck they are a-changing …

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 7:15 pm

    The irony burns.

    I’m a big fan of fried egg, scrambled egg, poached egg, just not raw egg …

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 8:37 pm

    We live in exciting times … ’cause with any luck they are a-changing …

    Whenever I’ve seen newman in the media today TB he refuses to rule out opting for a safe seat later – possibly someone getting a tap on the shoulder and asked to take one for the team?

    I still think it’s a big ask, newman’s got an enormous majority, but I guess there are a lot of angry people, the LNP have pissed people off in record time [much like abbott]. But will there be enough baseball bats ready to see newman’s lot off? Fingers crossed though, the beautiful qld heritage environment depends upon it!

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 8:39 pm

    Wow! Hasn’t it gone quiet here? No comments about the upcoming QLD election apart from those who want the LNP gone … does that mean the tories are waiting for instructions?

    Too funny …

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2015 8:44 pm

    Fingers crossed though, the beautiful qld heritage environment depends upon it!

    Absolutely! KL … the “safe seat” is interesting … how long did he “sit” in a seat before being elected … ?

    Robber Baron politics … nothing changes …

    We watched this film today … nothing changes …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Days_of_Dolwyn

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2015 10:47 pm

    I remember seeing one tweet saying that it’s possible for newman to be be parachuted into federal politics 😮

  236. January 6, 2015 10:58 pm

  237. January 6, 2015 11:02 pm

  238. January 6, 2015 11:04 pm

  239. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 7:22 am

    “It’s profoundly implausible that any Australian prime minister would want to have a secret visit to Australian troops and, plainly, there was footage released of everything that I did yesterday, but for understandable security reasons it is difficult to get people into Iraq at the moment and it was for security reasons that I was unable to take local media in.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jan/06/tony-abbott-wont-rule-out-increasing-troops-iraq

    It may be “profoundly implausible”, yet it occurred. And, it wasn’t like it was a secret, it had been advertised internationally (ie, not by our media) well in advance (days? weeks?)

    The ABC acted all surprised but, a modicum of investigative journalism (ie, reading international newspapers) would have revealed the plan.

    plainly, there was footage released of everything

    Of “everything”? Well, we only have yabots clearly unbelievable word on that, so in other words, we DIDN’T see “everything”, did we. And yes, the footage was released by the Ministry Of Trooth. I would be going over everything with a fine tooth comb for evidence of manipulation. or example, was the jacket he wore just photoshopped from a Henry Winkler photo shoot back in the 70’s?

    The grubmint continues to treat the electorate with unveiled contempt. It is only fitting that those feelings are returned.

    BTW dickhead in Iraq, we have a massive fire going on over here, not sure if you noticed. I heard you mention something about centrelink, I wonder if this was referring to the payments for crisis relief you just cut? Apart from that, no message of goodwill etc, just that centrelink will look after the details. FFS

    Interestingly, I recalled Gillard being abused by the media for not being at a natural disaster site, only for it to be discovered she was. Yet she was still condemned for it anyway, because they thought she should have been at the location they were.

    fuckers!

  240. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:05 am

    :facepalm:

  241. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:06 am

  242. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:08 am

    The firs twit was in reply to libtikas twit… I’m not new to this, just not good at it 😉

    meanwhile, there is a reason she is mockingly called libtika

    :facepalm: :facepalm:

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:58 am

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/qantas-named-worlds-safest-airline/story-e6frfq80-1227176759282

    QANTAS has been named the world’s safest airline, after a year when fatal air accidents soared above the 10-year average.
    In a report published by AirlineRatings.com last night, Qantas was lauded for amassing “an extraordinary record of firsts” in safety and operations over its 94-year history.

    People should remember this next time they’re deciding whether to spend $1950 rather than $2200 on an airfare.

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2015 9:00 am

    TomRU12?

    I’d have thought you were about 13, maybe even 14.

  245. egg permalink
    January 7, 2015 9:16 am

    ‘Australia needs a clear long-term energy policy’

    Coal Coal Coal?

  246. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 9:33 am

    barely 11 😉

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 10:31 am

    PM Abbott tells troops ‘I regret that I cannot share… dangers which you face but it is something at least to be able to sweat with you.‘

    This bloke’s a FUCKWIT© of The First Order … the members will be pissin’ themselves over that … I suppose shit happens … especially when The Abbott is in town … fkn moron …

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 10:36 am

    People should remember this next time they’re deciding whether to spend $1950 rather than $2200 on an airfare.

    Haaa … ToM has shares!!!

    So I shouldn’t fly Air New Zealand and Virgin in May?

    (Disclaimer: I was Qantas Gold FF for over a decade … just a poor old Bronze now)

  249. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 11:28 am

    QANTAS has been named the world’s safest airline

    Thanks to Union dominated maintenance staff they forgot to mention 😉

  250. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 11:44 am

    An interesting interactive on the Warming of Oz

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/100-years-of-temperatures/5582146

  251. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 11:48 am

  252. Walrus permalink
    January 7, 2015 12:59 pm

    Not really……….it just follows the El Nino/El Nina Cycle.

    Few doubt the Climate is changing. Always has always will.

    Its simply an argument over man’s contribution if much at all to it and the degree we can control the change if at all that is in dispute

    http://www.bom.gov.au/watl/about-weather-and-climate/risk/risk-enso.shtml

  253. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 1:18 pm

    it just follows the El Nino/El Nina Cycle

    ROFL

    Have you taken over for grodo as resident dimwit?

    I guess the “El Nino/El Nina Cycle” is constant warming trend then (which isn’t really a “cycle” then is it) 😉

    :facepalm:

  254. egg permalink
    January 7, 2015 1:53 pm

    ENSO has been neutral for awhile, so there’s not much solace there.

    The cause of the recent heat is probably the results of ‘adjustments’ made by BoM to get the right outcome…. the new system is called ACORN.

    Do not be afraid, a regional cooling trend is expected to begin around 2019 and should last a couple of decades.

  255. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 3:17 pm

    Do not be afraid, a regional cooling trend is expected to begin around 2019 and should last a couple of decades.

    I think the only reasonable response to that would be “grodo, you are a fucking dickhead”

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2015 3:30 pm

    Meanwhile Our Proud Aussie (oi!) cricketers have taken on the Might of India, and Smashed them!

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 4:43 pm

    Are you pirating images, ToM!

    Willie’ll have a fkn Wonka attack!

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 4:49 pm

    Got a question for everyone here … I’ve been approached by the ALP to allow them to plant a sign in my front yard (we live on a tee junction) …

    Most of you know I lean to the left but if I leaned to the right I’d ask the same question if approached by the LNP.

    Can you give me your pros and cons …

    Note, we’ve lived here for over 30 years so we are pretty well known.

    Serious question and I want to avoid the “politics” … (I’m sure most of you will get that – I know the commenters who won’t).

    its about the pros and cons of doing it … LNP or ALP notwithstanding …

    Just askin’ …

  259. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 4:51 pm

    2014 was Earth’s hottest year since records began in 1891, according to new data from the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA):

    ..

    There are lots of short-term variations here and there — for instance, El Niño years like 1998 tend to be a bit hotter, while La Niña years are a bit cooler — so not every year will necessarily set heat records. But the overall trend is up.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7502249/2014-hottest-year

    Just to highlight the extreme stupidity displayed by denialists 🙂

  260. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:01 pm

    pros, you get to feel good about yerself and get involved (I’m not from/in Queensland, but he looks like a mini-yabot from here, so anything to get him out…..)

    cons, mad dogs and Irishmen will prob target you, but their dickheads any way, so who cares And you might get a lot of extra rolls of toilet paper free 🙂

  261. Walrus permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:35 pm

    Don’t do it TB.

    TomR is proof that there are plenty of idiots roaming the streets. There’s just fewer LNP ones.

    But it only takes one idiot to come by your house and at best you’ll end up with a late night half brick through a front window.

    And why would you want people to think you are a forever rusted on when you claim you are not ?

    I wouldn’t have an Lib sign on my property even if they paid me.

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:38 pm

    Got a question for everyone here … I’ve been approached by the ALP to allow them to plant a sign in my front yard (we live on a tee junction) …

    Do they pay you for it? 😉

    Will it bother you if the neighbours comment?

    I hear those dirty young libbers go around de-facing and destroying competitor advertising.

    if the answers ar:e

    yes
    No
    Bring it on

    Then I say do it!

    BTW, are you in a safe seat TB?

  263. Walrus permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:39 pm

    “”But the overall trend is up.””

    Really……………………….?

    And anyway if for a moment it is, no amount of stupidity in policy making by the Left and its activists like you is going to change that at all.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:41 pm

    Thanks, TR and Wally …

    I must say my inclination is towards, Wally’s, reasoning … thanks for the openness and objectiveness, Walter … there is the added issue that all my family, kids to grandkids live in the same street … (my kids both lean opposite ways from centre … good parenting I reckon!)

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:42 pm

    Maybe your influence and ‘endorsement’ will bring votes TB, Labor need every single one they can get.

    Why not get your kids to stick one in their yards too?

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:45 pm

    might start a trend and everyone in street will have their sign out – a bit like xmas lights!

    …I wouldn’t have an Lib sign on my property even if they paid me…

    me neither

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:50 pm

    TomR is proof that there are plenty of idiots roaming the streets. There’s just fewer LNP ones.

    It’s the LNP thugs you have to worry about.

    But it only takes one idiot to come by your house and at best you’ll end up with a late night half brick through a front window.

    Now why would that happen in a street that he’s been in for 30 years and everyone knows him?

    I’ve seen loads of signs in people’s yards at election time and they stay there untouched, I don’t think it would be a problem to be honest. Wally always thinks the worst of people!

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:51 pm

    The ALP is just so pedestrian, bland, don’t sully your reputation. Similarly, there’s no way I’d put any conservative political advertising on my fence either. Only complete dorks would do that.

    Chose some interesting party, like the one Nick Xenephon is starting, or the Democrats.

    I’d have a Greens sign before ALP, Libs etc.

    Avoid – Libs, Nats, ALP, PUP

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:51 pm

    KL,

    Thanks to you too …

    No (of course)

    Not sure (reason for the question)

    ‘Fraid I’ve woken up to the issues of age (my kids used to worry someone would kill or injure me for fronting poor behavious in public – then my son takes on a bloke slapping a girl around in Brisbane on our way home on Anzac Day .,.. yes, I thought!) – I do have to consider The Minister – who IS a feisty Freislander – Viking country …

    The seat was held by Labor from 1960 to 2012 … lost at the last election to LNP …

    I feel like a bit of a wimp to tell the truth … but is the bravado worth it?

    Thanks to you all … I bloody knew I could rely on you lot!

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2015 5:53 pm

    Thanks, ToM – I think … PUP? John Bjelke Peterson and Clivey WTF! 😯

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:02 pm


  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:04 pm


  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:06 pm


  274. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:12 pm

    The seat was held by Labor from 1960 to 2012 … lost at the last election to LNP …

    Is it one of the marginals for this election? What’s the %age?

  275. egg permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:16 pm

    ‘Just to highlight the extreme stupidity displayed by denialists’

    On closer inspection it seems 1877-78 were hotter because of a strong El Nino and a very positive NAO, coupled with a large spike in solar activity.

    http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01b7c725c9a7970b-pi

  276. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 6:28 pm

    On closer inspection it appears that a dickhead is still a dickhead.

    Trend, dickhead!

    Really……………………….?

    And anyway if for a moment it is

    IF ❓ 😯

    The ALP is just so pedestrian, bland,

    NBN booooooooring :sleep:
    Gonski booooooooring :sleep:
    Carbon Price booooooooring :sleep:
    NDIS booooooooring :sleep:
    Fair Work booooooooring :sleep:

    Wake me Gently :facepalm:

  277. January 7, 2015 7:07 pm

    l notice dumpty is pushing her luck again, my `denial-spam` filter she helped me build is filled with her latest comments. Next thing is she will be moaning and groaning coz she`s been `sin-binned` again. #still.not.learning

  278. January 7, 2015 7:30 pm

    TB”””””””Has anyone else noticed that at press conferences you can only hear the ANSWERS not the questions from the “journos” … dumb and dumber””””’

    +

    # Ha. That`s been going-on for quite a while. Part of the tag-team effort by teabag-media to dumb-down the population and give the pollies another free-ride by not allowing the public to see them give yet another non-answer.

  279. egg permalink
    January 7, 2015 7:37 pm

    ‘Trend, dickhead!

    ‘Really……………………….?’

    The hiatus cannot last forever, place your bets now.

  280. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 7:53 pm

    How to cook a data set:

    http://thesnufkin.blogspot.com.au/2011/03/how-to-cook-data-set.html

    …If any climate scientist had tried to use a trick liked this to ‘prove’ Climate Change, then it would have been all over for the discipline. C3 Headlines can get away with this stuff because it serves a particularly gullible and self interested client group.

    Scientists by contrast have to be open, honest and upfront. When Professor Phil Jones and the UAE were accused of fraud after Climategate their entire body of work was on trial.

    The likes of C3 Headlines though are expendable. They put out their bogus data, which can ultimately be denied itself by those who fund it and quote from it.

    As Jay Inslee, a Washington Democrat, lamented on Tuesday, if only the media would stop reporting the debate about Climate Change as if it was a divorce trial and start showing how barren the cupboard was on the denier side.

    26/03/2012

    Note: C3 Headlines appears to have responded to this post. I’d like to reply to their reply – but as they haven’t actually answered any of my points I can’t. Sorry guys, you got caught. Live with it…

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:04 pm

    Cherry pick all the facts you like, but Earth is still warming:

    http://theconversation.com/cherry-pick-all-the-facts-you-like-but-earth-is-still-warming-18378

    …Changes in the sun’s rays, volcanic activity, particle air pollution and water vapour in the stratosphere may have contributed to the slowed rate of surface warming, reflecting some heat back into the atmosphere and so offsetting some of the heat caused by rising greenhouse gas concentrations.

    However, since 2000, heating of the planet has in fact continued at a rate equivalent to more than 250 billion 1KW household electric heaters. This is based upon evidence from thousands of automated ocean buoys that measure down to a depth of nearly 2km, combined with global satellite data measuring radiative energy entering and leaving the planet.

    Recent research indicates the current slowing in the rate of surface warming is primarily caused by natural ocean variability linked to La Niña conditions affecting the Pacific…

  282. January 7, 2015 8:12 pm

    reb”””””””wonder if Tabbott will campaign in QLD to help Noddy get over the line”””””

    +

    #that`s a really good point #tb will have to tell us if noddy is wanting/getting mr-rabbits help, or is mr-rabbit being told to stay away like he was in other state elections

  283. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:12 pm

    *sigh* with egg it always comes back to 1)manipulated graphs/data and 2) the complete inability to tell the difference between weather and climate.

    http://theconversation.com/cherry-pick-all-the-facts-you-like-but-earth-is-still-warming-18378

    Richard P. Allan
    Professor of Climate Science at University of Reading:

    …Other well-trodden climate sceptic claims that resurface regularly in the media refer to the warmth of the middle ages compared to today, suggest that Antarctic and Arctic ice is increasing, that CO2 levels have been higher than today’s, or that a rise in temperature increases CO2 levels, rather than the other way around.

    These claims often confuse weather with climate and mix up processes that play out over hundreds, thousands or even millions of years. Crucially they largely ignore the vast body of evidence pointing to human influence on current and future climate change…

  284. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:23 pm

    Next thing is she will be moaning and groaning coz she`s been `sin-binned` again. #still.not.learning

    she doesn’t care, she holds up the middle finger. She gets banned, then whimpers and whines to reb and runs straight back to annoy the shit out of everyone here with denier propaganda that only the most stupid of the stupid would believe.

    Now reb is away and she thinks she is taking a mile.

    [all right for reb, he’s drinking and dining somewhere, not even bothering to mod or anything I’m almost worried he’s gone down on a malaysians airline plane or summat] 😉

  285. January 7, 2015 8:27 pm

    armchair””””””””””Spot on, Bed Pann! The elctroate knows all they need to know about Abbott. There is nothing he can do

    You’re so right sb and ricky. He was never liked by the public throughout his career in politics, he’s the thug, bullyboy and headkicker.

    Even when he held his re-boot mea culpa, he still couldn’t look people in the eye and actually say sorry, it was the most insincere hand-on-heart, ‘sweating blood’ performance ever. The only genuine emotion was anger, anger at having to do it at all, I bet he would’ve rather give us all the middle finger and walk off,”””””’#agree-folks

    +

    #while l agree fully on how crap mr-rabbit is on the vast majority of tasks and topics, l still have no `faith` (for want of a better word) in blib-shortman, the other team, and their knife wielding cactus-caucus, that seem way too often able to find the stupid thing to do or say, while ignoring the `smart/correct` hiding in plain sight.

  286. egg permalink
    January 7, 2015 8:46 pm

    ‘Recent research indicates the current slowing in the rate of surface warming is primarily caused by natural ocean variability linked to La Niña conditions affecting the Pacific…’

    That was in 2013, this is the present state of play.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

    ‘Other well-trodden climate sceptic claims that resurface regularly in the media refer to the warmth of the middle ages compared to today.’

    The Medieval Warm Period is well documented and was of a universal nature.

    ‘….suggest that Antarctic and Arctic ice is increasing,’

    That is true, Antarctic sea ice expanded greatly during this southern hemisphere winter and Arctic sea ice has returned to average after a recent warming sounded alarm bells.

    ‘….that CO2 levels have been higher than today’s, or that a rise in temperature increases CO2 levels, rather than the other way around.’

    CO2 levels have been higher than today, after all we are at the end of the Holocene, as you know warmer oceans massively liberate CO2. Its undeniable that temperatures rise first and CO2 follows.

  287. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 9:10 pm

    grodo, you’re a pathetic case

    And, wasn’t there a special thread where you go about posting lies and spreading bullshit without infesting us with the fucken garbage (which is all it is)

    Debating it is pointless AO, as reality does not sink into this one, it lives on lies and bullshit

  288. January 7, 2015 9:33 pm

    TB”””Got a question for everyone here””’

    ”””I’ve been approached + plant a sign in my front yard (we live on a tee junction)”””

    ”””Can you give me your pros and cons”””

    +

    #pros and cons, not sure that there is any, you may piss-off some family/friends/neighbors, while attracting `Likes` from others, but whatever the choice, l know ya`big enough an`ugly enough to set`em straight or on their arse if need be. Most important view=MrsTB.

    #your `tee-junction` is probably considered a reasonable `advert` position to be approached by somebody/anybody, as l don`t know the candidates and local issues, the only thing l can say is, you and MrsTB need to be happy with `any` team/candidate you choose to advertise for, but also remember, you seem to have a reasonable advert position, and if all candidates are `dickheads/crooks`, ya`might want to consider putting a sign up saying that instead.

    #Good Luck Mr and MrsTB.

  289. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 9:39 pm

    as you know warmer oceans massively liberate CO2. Its undeniable that temperatures rise first and CO2 follows.

    More dribble

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20413-warmer-oceans-release-co2-faster-than-thought.html#.VK0E3NLQqSo

    …The oceans capture around 30 per cent of human carbon dioxide emissions and hide it in their depths. This slows the march of global warming somewhat. But climate records from the end of the last ice age show that as temperatures climb, the trend reverses and the oceans emit CO2, which exacerbates warming.

    Previous studies have suggested that it takes between 400 and 1300 years for this to happen. But now the most precise analysis to date has whittled that figure down.

    Quick response

    “We now think the delay is more like 200 years, possibly even less,” says Tas van Ommen from the Australian Antarctic Division, in Hobart, who led the study…

    …Its undeniable that temperatures rise first and CO2 follows… *PRATT – point refuted a thousand times* Why do you persist with your lies? This was dealt withabout 25 years ago.

    Please see letter below

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/

    …When I give talks about climate change, the question that comes up most frequently is this: “Doesn’t the relationship between CO2 and temperature in the ice core record show that temperature drives CO2, not the other way round?”

    On the face of it, it sounds like a reasonable question. It is no surprise that it comes up because it is one of the most popular claims made by the global warming deniers.

    – See more at: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/#sthash.bdzu9CDH.dpuf

    Dear John,

    The coolings appear to be caused primarily and initially by increase in the Earth-Sun distance during northern hemisphere summer, due to changes in the Earth’s orbit. As the orbit is not round, but elliptical, sunshine is weaker during some parts of the year than others. This is the so-called Milankovitch hypothesis [this really should say “theory” — eric], which you may have heard about. Just as in the warmings, CO2 lags the coolings by a thousand years or so, in some cases as much as three thousand years.

    But do not make the mistake of assuming that these warmings and coolings must have a single cause. It is well known that multiple factors are involved, including the change in planetary albedo, change in nitrous oxide concentration, change in methane concentration, and change in CO2 concentration. I know it is intellectually satisfying to identify a single cause for some observed phenomenon, but that unfortunately is not the way Nature works much of the time.

    Nor is there any requirement that a single cause operate throughout the entire 5000 – year long warming trends, and the 70,000 year cooling trends.

    Thus it is not logical to argue that, because CO2 does not cause the first thousand years or so of warming, nor the first thousand years of cooling, it cannot have caused part of the many thousands of years of warming in between.

    Think of heart disease – one might be tempted to argue that a given heart patient’s condition was caused solely by the fact that he ate french fries for lunch every day for 30 years. But in fact his 10-year period of no exercise because of a desk job, in the middle of this interval, may have been a decisive influence. Just because a sedentary lifestyle did not cause the beginning of the plaque buildup, nor the end of the buildup, would you rule out a contributing causal role for sedentary lifestyle?

    There is a rich literature on this topic. If you are truly interested, I urge you to read up.

    The contribution of CO2 to the glacial-interglacial coolings and warmings amounts to about one-third of the full amplitude, about one-half if you include methane and nitrous oxide.

    So one should not claim that greenhouse gases are the major cause of the ice ages. No credible scientist has argued that position (even though Al Gore implied as much in his movie). The fundamental driver has long been thought, and continues to be thought, to be the distribution of sunshine over the Earth’s surface as it is modified by orbital variations. This hypothesis was proposed by James Croll in the 19th century, mathematically refined by Milankovitch in the 1940s, and continues to pass numerous critical tests even today.

    The greenhouse gases are best regarded as a biogeochemical feedback, initiated by the orbital variations, but then feeding back to amplify the warming once it is already underway. By the way, the lag of CO2 of about 1000 years corresponds rather closely to the expected time it takes to flush excess respiration-derived CO2 out of the deep ocean via natural ocean currents. So the lag is quite close to what would be expected, if CO2 were acting as a feedback.

    The response time of methane and nitrous oxide to climate variations is measured in decades. So these feedbacks operate much faster.

    The quantitative contribution of CO2 to the ice age cooling and warming is fully consistent with current understanding of CO2’s warming properties, as manifested in the IPCC’s projections of future warming of 3±1.5 C for a doubling of CO2 concentration. So there is no inconsistency between Milankovitch and current global warming.

    Hope this is illuminating.

    Jeff…

    – See more at: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/#sthash.bdzu9CDH.dpuf

    so fuck off and take your shitty 180 month graphs with you, come back when you can talk 10’s and 100’s and 1,000’s of years ago.

    I don’t intend replying to any further bait from you, you’re not interested in learning anything and you’re not worth the time.

  290. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2015 10:16 pm

    “More dribble”

    Call it what it is ao, lies

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 10:18 pm

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2015 10:59 pm

    Why the PM’s overseas mission was a PR failure:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/07/abbott-prefer-iraq-south-australia/

  293. January 7, 2015 11:27 pm

    ao”””’the PM’s overseas mission was a PR failure”””””’

    #There really isn`t much `insight` in that armchair. lf you notice, mr-rabbit flees to `international` events (and he will continue to do so) coz he is absolutely crap at most `local` issues. Don`t expect that to change either.

    #PS please stop feeding the paid-to-comment-troll folks

  294. January 8, 2015 12:18 am

    Can you give me your pros and cons …

    Well its simple. Newman is gonna get smashed so you will be on the winning team. There are lots of people pissed off with that little dishonest fascist bald fuck…

    We have always had core flutes up since I was a baby..dad was a life member of the ALP… we never had a problem. I just hope Abbott does some campaigning up there for Noddy.. it will be the kiss of death….

    Dont listen to Walrus… I’m sure plenty of people wanna brick the local rightwing bean counter.. 🙂

    EGG GET YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT OVER TO YOUR SANDPIT YOU DERAILING DENIALIST TROLL

  295. Meta permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:22 am

    (If you’re into (waxed-cardboard) garden gnomes as neutral-colour outdoor decor, go for it, I say, TB.

    Otherwise, I acknowledge and appreciate Reb’s check-in, and am kinda anticipating HD’s, given that I don’t know much about SA, other than what I read from TomR, who is usually more right than I’d sometimes like.)

  296. Meta permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:59 am

    (Actually, that last bit might not be entirely accurate; there might be more than a few people from SA and VIC who haven’t been all that impressed with the formal Federal response to yet another ‘natural disaster’; and, incidentally, where’s Acting PM Truss; and how’s PM Abbott’s programmatic summertime idyll of Manly Beach lifesaving going?)

  297. Meta permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:03 am

    (Oh, there acting PM Truss is: “Speaking to the BBC, Australia’s Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said: “We are doing everything we possibly can but nature is powerful, fires are powerful and everyone must respond to that threat.” Mention of Ash Wednesday brings back “horrific memories for Australians”, Mr Truss said, adding that the consolation this time is there there has been no similar loss of life.)

  298. Meta permalink
    January 8, 2015 3:09 am

    (That

    “Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who has faced criticism for not responding sooner to the crisis despite being overseas, will accompany Mr Weatherill on a tour of the fire zone on Thursday. However, Mr Weatherill said assistance from the commonwealth to date had been ‘entirely appropriate and timely’. Mr Abbott, who will fly into Adelaide on Thursday straight from the Middle East where he’s been visiting troops, is expected to announce further federal support for bushfire victims.”

    …is some good ‘political’ news, I guess.)

  299. January 8, 2015 5:11 am

    (For Certain; Mr-Rabbit and Stand-in Truss will be way to busy addressing international tewwawism break-outs in Paris, not the snowed-in citizens of SA or their recent blizzard damage.)

  300. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:11 am

    Terrible news from France this morning. Looks like terrorists on the march again. Some horrific scenes in this link

    http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/01/video_schutters_parijs_schiete.html

    Fantastic image here though. I just hope our msm and grubmint don’t get carried away as is their wont.

  301. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:14 am

    who is usually more right than I’d sometimes like.

    I appreciate the sentiment Meta, but comments like that might make you less right than you’d sometimes like.

  302. egg permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:17 am

    ‘I don’t intend replying to any further bait from you, you’re not interested in learning anything and you’re not worth the time.’

    If a hypothesis disagrees with observations, then it’s wrong. The hiatus proves beyond reasonable doubt that CO2 does not cause global warming.

  303. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:24 am

    fuck off dickhead

  304. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:28 am

    It appears that this attack was on a satirist who mocked “the prophet”. Fucken nutters

    Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said the assailants killed a man at the entrance of the building to force entry. They then headed to the second floor and opened fire on an editorial meeting attended by eight journalists, a policeman tasked with protecting the magazine’s editorial director and a guest.

    The meeting was said to be on an Islam-themed special edition, titled Sharia Hebdo.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/gunmen-attack-french-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo-at-paris-office-at-least-12-dead-20150107-12js9t.html

  305. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 8:36 am

    Back on the WASTE and RECKLESS SPENDING

    Private recruiting firms reaped a bonanza of more than $100 million in Commonwealth contracts in 2014, cashing in on the Abbott government’s public service hiring freeze.

    Spending by government departments on the big five recruiters soared by nearly 50 per cent last year to $97 million as public service bosses looked to temps and contractors to plug the growing gaps in their workforces caused by years of redundancies and the hiring freeze.

    Spending by the Prime Minister’s own department on workers supplied by the big five soared by more than 400 per cent, from $607,000 in 2013 to at least $2.6 million in 2014.

    The federal opposition says the figures show the government’s public sector policies are a false economy, allowing bureaucrats to leave with large redundancy payouts only to return, sometimes within weeks, as contractors.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/public-service-hiring-freeze-delivers-100-million-cash-bonanza-to-private-recruiters-20150107-12irwb.html

    Of course, to defend themselves, the libs do what all dickheads do, they lie

    “Despite Labor’s secret, unfunded 14,500 public service job cuts, the Coalition government is managing an orderly reduction in the size of the APS to a more sustainable level,” Senator Abetz said.

    secret? unfunded?

    Just because the libs cannot read public documents does not mean it was secret. Really, statements like that that are patently false should be countered as they are uttered. That’s called journalism, else it is just churnalism.

  306. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 9:04 am

    And I admit I don’t mind this idea

    The Abbott government should apply the GST to private health and education, rather than fresh food, if it wants to raise more revenue with the tax, according to research from think tank The Australia Institute.

    That would help to raise an extra $2.3 billion a year, and it would be less regressive than applying the GST to fresh food because it would affect predominantly middle- and high-income households.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/put-the-gst-on-private-health-insurance-and-private-schools-not-fresh-food-20150107-12jje4.html

    In fact, if they take this to the extreme, they can always apply a GST on specific items at varying rates dependent upon factors such as regressiveness, protectionism and social progressiveness.

    We could even call it “sales tax” or something similar 😉

  307. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 10:02 am

    It also looks the firies have got on top of things back in the Adelaide Hills, so things are returning to normalcy(? for Adelaide anyway 😉 )

    Interesting image from NASA showing the fire zone. It is the top right corner of the first image. Not sure why it looks black all the way down the line of hills? There have been numerous smaller fires through there, but I think it is more a shadow or something?

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 10:29 am

    Nice thoughts from the US Embassy too, TR …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thank you all for your replies to my pros and cons poster challenge yesterday …

    … after discussions with my family … there are eleven of us in three houses in the same street, three minutes from each other and eight odf us are voting age … they have told me they have no problems at all … *

    The Minister and I lived under Joh Bjelke Peterson for way too long 68 – 87 (I just checked) … we were married in 1969 … and we both see a similar patter in Noddy Newman & The Nitwits …

    … for the record had the request been made before the 2012 election I would have said no to anyone on the Anna bLie team …

    This time around Noddy’s lot has to go …

    * My 21 yo commented that all his contacts wanted the LNP government out … interesting …

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 10:31 am

    similar patter … and pattern too … 🙂

  310. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 10:53 am

    Nice thoughts from the US Embassy

    It’s a shame our own deer leeder can’t show the same kind of thoughts. The automatic position of the grubmint agencies is to assist, so yabot cannot take any thanks from that, it is the standard thing. Mind you, the fact that victims get less now due to the changes by the grubmint than they did isn’t being mentioned.

    On that though, I have some friends near Kersbrook who’s house was missed by the fire, but they lost all their fence lines and food in their fridge was ruined. It seems under $500 all up was lost, and their insurance company has a $500 excess. The insurance company has waived that for them. Just thought it appropriate to mention that sometimes they do a good thing, for all the bad press they get. 🙂

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:18 am

    By the way it’s nice to see reb here, participating on his blog

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:23 am

    … for all the bad press they get. 🙂

    I’ve given them a fair bit here over our burglary! But we have a saying (a few actually) quick to criticise – quick to praise …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Who? ToM?

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:27 am

    FILM REVIEW WARNING …

    We’re off to see The Imitation Game this arvo, looking forward to it …

    … my cousin took us out to Bletchley Park for a day trip in 2005 so we know some of the history and of course can relate to the films setting … should be interesting …

    We had planned to see The Water Diviner but its no longer showing in Gold Class … have to visit cattle class next week … 🙂

  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:27 am

    If a hypothesis disagrees with observations, then it’s wrong. The hiatus proves beyond reasonable doubt that CO2 does not cause global warming

    No pause in global warming and there never was one, the japanese have already reported that 2014 was the hottest year on record [as predicted]

    There are a couple of things to unpack here. The idea that global warming had “stopped” has never been very compelling — and not just because 1998 is a cherry-picked year.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7502249/2014-hottest-year

    Still jerking off? You’d think there would be some shame and embarrassment but no, egg proudly wears mendacity, lying and stupidity as a badge of honour. Weather does not = climate, the past decade has been the warmest since records began.

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:30 am

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:32 am

    KL, don’t feed the climate troll … 😯

  317. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:36 am

    Don’t feed the fuckwit ao.

  318. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:37 am

    like TB said 😉

  319. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:38 am

  320. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:42 am

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/that-thinking-feeling/campbell-newman-is-lying-to-you-and-he-knows-it-20150107-12juv0.html

    Campbell Newman is lying to you, and he knows it:

    …It’s not a hard question, but Campbell Newman continues to get it wrong…
    …The next time he is asked who will be leader if he loses to Kate Jones, you deserve an answer…

  321. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 11:49 am

    Campbell Newman is lying to you, and he knows it:

    Well, he is a rwdb dickhead

  322. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:03 pm

    KL, don’t feed the climate troll … 😯
    Don’t feed the fuckwit ao.

    egg’s such a shameless, lying stooge, even while australia burns.

  323. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:12 pm

    “”We’re off to see The Imitation Game this arvo, looking forward to it … “”

    Excellent………………finally we’ll have someone on this Blog that can decipher Teabagz comments

  324. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:16 pm

    This deliberate strategy to avoid media scrutiny is a huge reputational issue for Mr Abbott. As a former journalist and media adviser he knows better than most politicians how important it is to maintain at least a cordial relationship with the media, and as Opposition Leader he leveraged media antipathy for Julia Gillard to devastating effect.

    He can’t risk exposing himself to a similar threat.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/07/abbott-prefer-iraq-south-australia/

    Dream on dragon, he “avoided” media scrutiny (by which I mean to say, the media didn’t ask him anything) for his entire time in opposition. Expecting them to go hard now that he has run at the first sign of them asking is perhaps a bit much to expect.

  325. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:16 pm

    “”This time around Noddy’s lot has to go … “”

    LOL……….you might get rid of Noddy but I think you’ll be keeping with the LNP.

    Just as in NSW the previous ALP government was such a stinking carcass that even ICACs investigations of (it must be a dozen by now) LNP members has not resulted in much change in the likely outcome of our March election.

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:28 pm

    Here’s one good reason to shake up the LNP!

    THE Queensland campaign has been marred by its first arrest, with police taking a man wearing an “I’m with stupid” T-shirt into custody for allegedly being a “public nuisance” … Before long three patrol cars and a paddy wagon with an estimated 10 police officers arrived to arrest the man on the basis of having received two complaints.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland-state-election-2015/queensland-election-2015-man-wearing-im-with-stupid-t-shirt-among-lnp-campaigners-arrested-by-10-police-in-brisbane/story-fnr8vuu5-1227178179455#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-masthead-feature%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1420680211452

    FMD! I might end up in jail yet!

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:29 pm

    Did I mention Joh BP?

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:37 pm

  329. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:39 pm

    FMD! I might end up in jail yet!

    I’m pretty sure ALP signage is outlawed you outlaw 😉

    just saw the image TB, even the young lib types (it looks like) were having a laugh.

    We are all human after all (ok, youse are 😉 )

  330. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:40 pm

    Further proof, if anymore was actually needed, that Gillian Triggs of the Human Rights Commission is a complete and utter fuckwit…………….

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/pm-takes-human-rights-chief-to-task/story-fni0xqi3-1227178225300

  331. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:41 pm

    lol, the “criminal” is free

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:48 pm

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:49 pm

  334. egg permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:52 pm

    ‘Weather does not = climate, the past decade has been the warmest since records began.’

    Actually no temperature data is recognised before 1890 because that’s when Stevenson Screens came into use.

    That’s why we are fairly confident that weather and climate didn’t exist before that date.

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 12:56 pm

    There’s an awful lot of stuff held up in moderation, I wonder what has become of our reb?

    This guy is the man behind the ‘can do campbell’ parody tweet account, he has just een arrested as a public nuisance for waving. The police state is in full force!

  336. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:01 pm

    “”There’s an awful lot of stuff held up in moderation, I wonder what has become of our reb?””

    Perhaps he has been partaking of immoderate quantities of certain alcoholic drinks

  337. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:08 pm

  338. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:14 pm

    Further proof, if anymore was actually needed, that people commenting about Gillian Triggs of the Human Rights Commission without a full knowledge of the case are complete and utter fuckwits…………….

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:20 pm

    Perhaps he has been partaking of immoderate quantities of certain alcoholic drinks

    I do hope he is physically and mentally well and is just partying and relaxing. Not like him to be MIA even when OS though.

    My thoughts have ranged:

    drunk and debauched
    plane crash victim
    recovering from plastic surgery
    had enough of us

    Wish he’d check-in so we don’t have to worry. Would anyone let us know if he’s not OK? Guess we could send an email or something [if I can find his email address]

  340. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:31 pm

  341. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:43 pm

    had enough of us

    The most probable 😉

  342. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:44 pm

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 1:52 pm

    😆

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:01 pm

    I like it, where do we get those ‘I’m with stupid’ T-Shirts?

  345. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:03 pm

    “”……………obviously they’re omitting critical details””

    Like what ????????????

    There is nothing in those Links that disputes the fact she is a complete and utter fuckwit.

    I suppose you are OK with a convicted killer with a history of violence living next door to you on his $350K payout are you.

  346. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:03 pm

    I like it, where do we get those ‘I’m with stupid’ T-Shirts?

    Too late, apparently Cabinet has bought them all out 😉

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:04 pm

    Would anyone let us know if he’s not OK?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/12/22/scott-morrison-vows-to-get-people-off-welfare/#comment-90425
    He seemed fine 49hrs 16 min ago!

  348. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:05 pm

    Like what ?

    Don’t ask me, I’m not the law speaking guy, unlike the one tweeting 😉

    There is nothing in those Links that disputes …………….

    I think that’s the point actually 😯

  349. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:08 pm

    “”My thoughts have ranged:
    drunk and debauched
    plane crash victim
    recovering from plastic surgery
    had enough of us””

    All of that is plausible……….

    Perhaps having had a complete gutful of us he proceeded to get drunk and debauched on the plane over there whereupon on landing he became a plane crash victim when the crew on landing had had enough of him so they collectively picked him up and threw him face first onto the airport tarmac resulting in extensive plastic surgery from which he is now recovering

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:11 pm

  351. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:11 pm

    They’re an flight crew wally, not accountants 😉

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:14 pm

    re walrus 😆

  353. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:15 pm

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2015 2:23 pm

    oh thanks ToM, that’s a relief!
    kamahl’s been given a holiday!

  355. January 8, 2015 3:47 pm

    Those `l`m with stoopid` tee-shirts have universal political application, l reckon.

    +

    l also wonder what MrsTB decided regarding `front-yard` advertising.

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 4:43 pm

    Tbagz … The Minister for War, Water, Finance & Fun was OK with it from the beginning …

    I did hint at her acceptance earlier … and we both see a similar patter in Noddy Newman & The Nitwits … … hard to keep up I know …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    He seemed fine 49hrs 16 min ago! I could swear it was longer than that … 🙄

    He’s probably on holiday ’cause he’s rooted! On the other hand he’s probably gone on holiday to … mmmm … OK …

    No wifi in the mountains of Penang … ?

  357. January 8, 2015 4:53 pm

    Hi everyone, apologies for the lack of involvement – I’m OS with limited internet access and enjoying reading Holidays on Ice by David Sedaris.

    Also I’m using an iPad which is fun useless for typing.

    Have both good and bad stories to relay about the local Malay once I get a better device.

    Nearly got ripped off from this guy selling knock off Samsung Galaxy 5s handsets this morning. I thought they were hot ( ie stolen) as they were indistinguishable from the real ones and had the hand wave motion sensors and all the apps etc.

    I told a friend and he explained that they’re actually counterfeits from China. They’re designed to give the visual appearance of the real one, but the processor is cheap shit – more of a toy than a phone.

    You can’t be too careful these days.

  358. January 8, 2015 4:55 pm

    No wifi in the mountains of Penang … ?

    There is but its just a bit shit.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 5:07 pm

    FILM REVIEW

    The Imitation Game

    Brilliant!

    Me ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    The Minister ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    The Hollywood set must weep when they watch these historic films (its based upon a true story) so professionally constructed by the Poms …

    A serious drama that not only told the story of cracking the enigma code and the difficulty of using the information once it was broken but an insight into the human psyche, methods of communication, human prejudice and values, the amazing things that the human mind – particularly as teams – can achieve and a plus – the devious backdrop to all wars – managing intelligence from and in the field. In many ways inspiring and sad at the same time …

    A very adult script that had the audience chuckling occasionally throughout the 114 minutes. Not one bit of foul language that I can recall. (Unless you include poofters …)

    Some of the best acting and directing I’ve seen in long time from a very tight team of professionals, very believable subplots, that also highlighted the sadness that gay men must still suffer in many countries today.

    As I said earlier today, The Minister, and I have visited Bletchley Park and heard Alan Turing’s amazing story in its original settings … this film simply brought it alive for me …

    Its not a big-screen film but it is worth seeing in a cinema …

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 5:10 pm

    There is but its just a bit shit.

    Not much different to Melbourne then, sreb?

    Enjoy, Jummy! … regards to V …

    BTW when are you back? I’ll send a photo of my new garden sign … 🙂

  361. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 5:31 pm

    “Nearly got ripped off from this guy selling knock off Samsung Galaxy 5s handsets this morning.”

    What the Fuck………….you mean they sell copies of stuff in Asia ?

    Who would have thought that sort of caper was going on ?

    Why dont you buy TB a knocked off Samsung with a nice big screen.

    It would go perfectly with all the pirated stuff he watches

    🙂

  362. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2015 5:49 pm

    “And I admit I don’t mind this idea ”

    Yeah………………that’s because its stupid

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 6:00 pm

    What “idea” Wally?

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2015 7:13 pm

    Don’t bother I just saw it … GST to health and education … GST on either is no better than the Budget proposals … dr co-payment and open market for unis … it would dramatically hit training and development in the VET sector …

  365. January 8, 2015 7:20 pm

    A never ending cycle of atonement.

  366. January 8, 2015 8:27 pm

    (For Certain; ln times like these we get to see `Polar` opposites of our politicians on display. Hypothetically, we could see Teabag follower-leaders milk a tragedy, say a dozen `reporters` shot dead by gunmen in their capital city office, while previously, they have seen no problem that a dozen `reporters` have been shot dead by gunmen in a helicopter. Hypothetically. That. ls.)

  367. January 8, 2015 9:26 pm

    Holiday reading for reb

    +

    COMEDIAN Stephen Fry’s new fiance was banned from driving today for hitting 101mph in the
    TV presenter’s £130,000 Aston Martin supercar while driving in Gwent.

    Elliott Spencer, 27, broke the speed limit because the QI presenter was late for the
    Hay-on-Wye literature festival – and the court heard Fry told him: “Get a move on.”

    Fry, 57, was in Cwmbran Magistrates Court with his fiance – just a day after the pair
    announced their engagement – to support him as he tried to fight the week driving ban for
    going 101mph in a 70mph zone.

    The couple were in a loaned Aston Martin DB9 when Fry told Spencer to “get a move on”
    because they were running late for his inaugural address as President of the Hay Festival
    of Literature and the Arts on the Welsh borders.

    A court heard a mobile speed camera caught Spencer at 101mph – before the couple made it
    to their event with minutes to spare.

    Fry appeared in court to support his fiance during the 30 minute hearing and the court
    heard he was prepared to take to the witness box to provide a testimony for his fiance.

    The court heard Fry also said that he takes “full responsibility” for the speeding.

    Their barrister Mark Wyeth QC said: “Mr Fry who is Spencer’s partner was due as the new
    president of the Literature Festival and was due that afternoon to give his inaugural
    address.

    “They hit a large backlog of traffic and in a moment of indiscretion Mr Fry suggested to
    Spencer that he might like to get a move on.

    “No other drivers were inconvenienced and he eventually did make it by a matter of a few
    minutes, in time for the festival.

    “Mr Fry assumes all responsibility because it was his decision that made Spencer put his
    foot down.”

    Mr Fry and his husband-to-be were driving from their home in London to attend the festival
    on the May bank holiday when they were caught near Newport.

    They were driving the white Aston Martin which they’d loaned out for a month to see if
    they wanted to buy one when they were caught by a speed camera.

    Mr Wyeth said: “The Aston Martin plainly did not belong to Spencer. It was on loan because
    they were interested in buying such a vehicle but they did not for obvious reasons.

    “What happened here was unfamiliarity with a vehicle which is extremely powerful and which
    they had had for just a few days.”

    Spencer who appeared at court wearing a blue blazer and a black tie gave his address as
    the plush St James’, London, home that he shares with Fry.

    PC Steve Smith, presenting the prosecution case, said: “On the 24th of May at 1.28pm on
    the A449 an Aston Martin motor car was recorded at going at 101mph in a 70mph zone.

    “Elliot Spencer was identified at the driver and he has pleaded guilty.”

    It came just a day after Spencer pranged Fry’s £200,000 Bentley Continental GT car at
    their home.

    But Cwmbran magistrates court heard how Spencer has an “unblemished record” and a clean
    driver’s licence which he has held for five years.

    At the time of the offence he was working as a voluntary support teacher in the Surrey
    area for children with learning difficulties but Mr Wyeth said “in light of recent
    circumstances” he has now left that job.

    Magistrates gave him the seven-day ban and told him to pay £100 fine with £85 costs and a
    £20 victim surcharge.

    JP’s Chairman Phillip Walker told him: “You increased your speed because you were late for
    an important engagement. You face a disqualification but we are persuaded that this can be
    at the lower end of the scale.”

    Smiling Fry was in a jovial mood and signed autographs and posed for selfies inside the
    court building before the hearing.

    And as the magistrates considered their decision he teased Spencer – telling him he was
    “probably facing a stretch in jail”.

    After the case he said the time since announcing their engagement has been “wonderful” and
    that they planned to tie the knot within the next year.

    Speaking after the case Fry said: “It’s been wonderful. We’ve not fixed a date and if I
    had I wouldn’t tell you! But I can say it will be sometime within the next year or so.

    “As is the way with these things it became public when we filled in the paperwork.

    “It was probably a bit much to expect a quiet ceremony.”

    Mr Fry said that Hay was a wonderful festival but the traffic on the day had been awful.

    He added: “I was due on stage at 2.30 and we arrived at the festival site at 2.28.

    “Peter Florence, the Hay Festival director, was on stage waiting for me and there was a
    tent full of people.

    “I thought I might have to ask him to court today to explain what had happened.”

    He also joked with court staff about Wales’ love of rugby and claimed he would come back
    to Cwmbran – but the couple would drive more carefully next time.

    After the hearing, Spencer said: “I would like to thank the court staff for their courtesy
    towards me today. I apologise for my driving.”

    +

    #full-post, enjoy 😉

  368. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2015 7:34 am

    GST on either is no better than the Budget proposals

    Did you read the article at all TB. It is GST on the private aspects of those functions.

    Obviously a far better solution is to stop subsidising those private enterprises with tax dollars in the first place, but, since that is not going to happen in the near future, this is far better than applying a GST to fresh food, which is already far more expensive than it’s highly processed and already GST loaded counterparts.

    Mind you, it was the last part of my post I was concentrating on, morphing the GST back into a sales tax, which imo is the most equitable (although perhaps not cheapest) way of raising taxes. And it would be deliciously ironic too.

    Of course an accountant wouldn’t like it, it would necessitate returning to real work rather than just churning clients for their heavily grubmint subsidised occupation 😉

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