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Rostrum: I Want to Believe Edition

January 23, 2015

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Welcome to Rostrum, our occasional thread where you can talk about anything you like.

Tea. Many people swear by its apparent “health benefits,” but I remain unconvinced.

The topic invariably comes up towards the demise of a dinner party.   Now I’m not really much of a dessert person, but when it’s offered towards the end of a meal I usually politely decline and wave my goblet in the air hinting that I’d rather settle for a refill of red wine.

“I’ll just stick to the red thanks,” just in case the signal goes unnoticed, often deliberatly I suspect as the hosts make a dash for the kitchen.

Dessert tends to spoil red wine as far as as I’m concerned, so I find that it’s best avoided.  Just like tea and coffee, which hosts typically offer as an indication that the evening is drawing to a close, or that they’d prefer it to.

But imagine my surprise when on one particular occasion our host recoiled in horror saying “What, don’t you believe in tea?”

It was an odd question I thought, and naturally I  assumed it was simply a diversionary tactic to avoid opening yet another bottle of red, or an indication that they don’t necessarily approve of what I like to call myself these days – “a red wine enthusiast,” or both (most probably).

I thought about this for a moment, which probably seemed like an eternity at the time, but one of the things I’ve learned over time is that if you’ve drank the best part of two or three bottles of red, it’s probably best to pause for a moment before responding to a question that seems slightly ridiculous.

Now it’s not that I actually don’t like tea. I have been known to drink it, occasionally, on weekends for example.  But to ask someone why they don’t believe in tea strikes me as just plain weird.

I mean, it’s not like I have this view that tea has some sort of grand master plan that I remain philosophically and fundamentally opposed to, but to suggest that I don’t believe in tea is like implying that it has this hidden agenda, and the individual posing the question isn’t so much concerned about your hydration levels but rather more interested in whether you’re standing for it or against it.

I mean tea, really?

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2015 5:10 pm

    I drink tea but prefer coffee …

    The End 🙂

  2. January 23, 2015 6:28 pm

    Jeezus I just saw this middle aged guy on Bourke street covered head to toe in tattoos right all over his face head arms everything. God only knows how some people consider that “art” .. To me he just looked like a walking jigsaw puzzle that hadn’t been assembled yet..

  3. January 23, 2015 6:49 pm

    I do,but i prefer it rolled up with a sprinkle of crumbled black putty. 😛

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2015 6:50 pm

    … covered head to toe in tattoos right all over his face head arms everything

    I bet his name was …. Queequeg …

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2015 6:51 pm

    I do,but i prefer it rolled up with a sprinkle of crumbled black putty.

    Say wot?

  6. January 23, 2015 6:52 pm

    Art you wouldn’t hang that in the Lav… Oh im a body artist.. Cringe choose next words carefully…look for exits ponder escape excuse plan

  7. January 23, 2015 7:28 pm

    Some tatts are awesome.

    It seems a tad ‘Look At Me’ to get them on the head/face etc though…and I’d say that there’s a strong (lower) age correlation for most such pieces.

  8. January 23, 2015 7:32 pm

    TB…Napalm Death, UK stalwarts, leftwing propagandists & all round grind progenitors…2015, still going Watch It Go…

  9. January 23, 2015 7:34 pm

    N A P A L M…D E A T H…bet yooze didn’t know they were lefties (splatter aside, but he’s not your average rightward ignoramus by a long shot)…

  10. January 23, 2015 7:36 pm

    “Some tatts are awesome.”

    I agree. I particularly like the ones that look like calligraphy.

    This bloke I saw today however, looked like Angry Anderson dipped in ink.

    Good luck with the job interview, I thought.

    Is it a fetish thing do you think?

    I cant for the life of me think of doing something like that, largely in part to a fear of needles, which thankfully has probably played a large part in me not becoming a slammer at a younger age.

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 23, 2015 7:45 pm

    I have “love” on my left knuckles, and “hate” on my right.

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 23, 2015 7:47 pm

    Me…

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2015 7:54 pm

    Yeah, right!

    Surfies* shrivel at tats!

  14. January 23, 2015 7:56 pm

    “Good luck with the job interview, I thought.

    Is it a fetish thing do you think?”

    These days, that’s what I think too. I reckon such decisions are generally made before potential longer term implications are countenanced.

    Dunno about fetish?

    All kinds of freaks in the world doing all kinds of shit to themselves. No concern there, as long as they’re only vandalising themselves for eternity (or, at least, until they return to inanimate biomass).

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2015 9:42 pm

    An example of “opinion” journalism 2015 …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/why-sodastream-is-a-fizzer/story-fnagkbpv-1227196321956

  16. January 25, 2015 10:52 pm

    ””our host recoiled in horror saying””

    ”””What, don’t you believe in tea?”””(and the correct answer was)

    Take a look at my fcuking blog and you`ll know why! 🙂

  17. January 25, 2015 11:19 pm

    #sodastream.fizzer

    Usually team-rupert are dressing-up advertising and pretending its `news`(as one of the links within `tbs` link) l wonder what sodastream have done to piss-off Limited-News get them to give sodastream a kicking (dressed-up as `consumer` advice, with is something Limited-News would usually rail against) considering its an lsrael outfit, another `pet` of team-ruperts. lt would be so tragic if Limited-News got caught-out being anti-semetic.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 25, 2015 11:30 pm

    The Age reports…

    The head of the Northern Territory branch of the Labor party has reportedly flown overseas to fight in Syria against terror group Islamic State.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  19. January 26, 2015 12:01 am

    #When it comes to the `death of sportsmanship` in canberra, well, that`s just not true. Just as mr-rabbits ability and popularity plummets, to what could be a `terminal` level for the remainder on his regime. To mr-rabbits rescue, in the true meaning of sportsmanship, enter Blib-Shortmen.

    ”””””””Shorten has called for a new push for Australia to become a republic ahead of Australia Day tomorrow.

    A referendum held on the subject in 1999, which if successful would have seen a president appointed by the Parliament, failed to garner enough support.

    Speaking at a book launch in Melbourne, Mr Shorten said the dream of Australia having a head of state needed to be renewed.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-25/bill-shorten-renews-call-for-republic-ahead-of-australia-day/6045222

    ””””””””””’

    +

    #of course blib should have taken moon-dogs advice, `be quiet blib, just stand there, shh, don`t say anything`

    #teabags can relax, they`re back in with a `near` even chance

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 1:21 am

    …A referendum held on the subject in 1999, which if successful would have seen a president appointed by the Parliament, failed to garner enough support…

    But that’s what the problem was, australians didn’t want a prez elected by the parliament – they don’t trust anything connected with powermongering/troughsnouting politicians. They want to choose the leader themselves. Why have yet another unrepresentative figurehead elected by self interested politicians? At the next referendum they should present all options to the voters.

  21. January 26, 2015 4:19 am

    armchair, l was referring it is more about the dog-whistling Blib is engaging in to try and remind the public he still exists, and doing so with a topic caucus are unlikely to knife him over, without seeing the opportunity he is offering the teabags in their death throws. Under-estimating the teabags ability to beat blib senseless and lift their standing over republic noise is possible. (Last time the demographics were not with team-republic99, they got flogged. Since William, baby george and waity-katie, the demographics have moved even further away from team-republic.) So of course, we all know what blib`s backing.

    l explained some of demographics in comments here, http://theaimn.com/the-reluctant-republic/

    +

    ”””don’t trust anything connected with powermongering/troughsnouting politicians”””

    #l can`t say l disagree with that armchair, but l don`t think a republic will make any damn thing better. l am a NO-republic voter. l don`t polish the current hood-ornament/s, and l don`t see polishing an alternative hood-ornament as any type of solution to our countries problems.

    #l most definitely don`t believe we would get a `republic-of-no-surprises` from these lying, thieving, cheating cnuts in canberra either, just more easier trough-snouting for them.

  22. January 26, 2015 9:39 am

    “The next sentence you’re about to read is completely true, even though you might not believe it. There’s a woman who made $4.9 MILLION dollars last year by recording herself opening Disney toys, and then uploading the videos to YouTube. Absolutely crazy, but true.”

    YouTube’s highest paid star is a mysterious woman who unwraps Disney toys. For real.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 9:57 am

    ToSY, I read that a few days ago too …

    … and its becoming fascinatingly obvious that the least productive people in our society economy get paid far more than anyone else … think, creative arts, sport, politicians, journalists, TV talking heads and radio shock jocks … way out of proportion to contributions …

    … and then this shite pops up – speaking of unproductive wankers … it involves two of ’em …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-2015-prince-philip-angus-houston-our-newest-knights/story-fncynjr2-1227196591312

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    #l can`t say l disagree with that armchair, but l don`t think a republic will make any damn thing better. l am a NO-republic voter. l don`t polish the current hood-ornament/s, and l don`t see polishing an alternative hood-ornament as any type of solution to our countries problems.

    “l am a NO-republic voter.” That tells us you do … “polish the current hood-ornament/s” … by simply accepting the BS of the Firm and its supporters …

    Evil exists where good people do nothing … FMD … dopey comment or what!

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:07 am

  25. January 26, 2015 10:16 am

    “”Take a look at my fcuking blog and you`ll know why! “”

    LOL…. 🙂

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:18 am

    Maybe tony feels a natural affinity with the handbag and bigot, Sir Prince Duke Phillip
    Has to make you wonder if all those ‘birther’ claims are true, that he never rescinded his UK citizenship and is in the parliament illegally.

  27. January 26, 2015 10:26 am

    “Ridiculous that our head of state isn’t in the country on “Australia Day”. Instead, he’s offering our condolences for a shitbag theocrat.”

    Huh? Who does Keane think out head of state is? He’s correct that our head of state is not in Australia, but it’s not a “he”.

    https://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Protocol_Guidelines/15.html

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:32 am

    Thought the same thing, TosY …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:38 am

    When thieves fall out … ? Chuckle …

    Go Clivey! Pulleeze!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/ill-sue-springborg-after-qld-poll-palmer/story-e6frfku9-1227196672280

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:43 am

    Shorten has stood for nothing so far (other than expert application of cutlery). It’s good to get the republic vs monarchy back on the agenda.

    As for Abbott, did I hear correctly? He’s nominated the queen’s husband for an Australian knighthood?!!

    What a goose.

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:48 am

    Isn’t the GG [the queen’s representative] our head of state unless the queen is here in oz tony? Cosgrove looks like a man to me. Depends which way you look at it really. If she is our HoS no matter what, why bother having a GG, he’s superfluous.

    You’ve really gotta wonder about a man who makes prince phillip a sir, he’s gotta be either shitstirring or living in the wrong country. I wonder if his dad is a full on monarchist and tony is fulfilling dad’s desires.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-26/matthewson-abbott-navigates-his-crucial-year-of-reform/6045618

    Tony Abbott would be crazy-brave and bordering on foolish to takes proposals to expand the GST and change workplace relations laws to the next election, writes Paula Matthewson.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:08 am

    I think Phil is probably about to cark it and Abbott wants to have something to say about his special connection to us

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:25 am

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tiad-of-fudging-on-the-citizenship-issue,6882

    …it is a different case altogether to repeatedly stand for public office not once, but twice, or three or four or five times, while not being eligible to stand under s44 of the Australian Constitution.

    …The question is easily answered. The Prime Minister’s office tells us he has renounced his British citizenship. It refuses to say when. The fudging and blocking and delaying from both conservative governments, in Australia and Britain, suggest the date will be politically harmful to the Prime Minister.

    My guess is that the date he renounced British citizenship is relatively recent and will show that he wilfully, not inadvertently, stood for public office more than once while being ineligible to do so…

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:28 am

    So Tony Abbott believes social media has no value other than IT graffiti … believe that at your peril Tones …

    Talking about the new knighthoods … this man lives in his own little fairy tale …

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:30 am

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:33 am

    I think Phil is probably about to cark it and Abbott wants to have something to say about his special connection to us

    Of course that’s a perfectly legitimate reason … for any monarchistic wanker …

    Abbott is cringeworthy as a PM … just cringeworthy … is he is the reflection of leadership in the LNP … I’m really starting to feel for LNP supporters … 2015 has not started any better than 2014 for The Abbott … not one bit …

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:38 am

  38. January 26, 2015 12:00 pm

    Not according to this.

    “Australia’s Head of State is the Queen of Australia, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Under the Australian Constitution, the executive power of the Commonwealth is vested in the Queen and is exercised by the Governor-General as the Queen’s representative. The Governor-General is appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister of Australia. The Prime Minister is Head of Government.”

    The governor general is never the head of state. Bernard Keane is a little bit smart arse.

    https://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Protocol_Guidelines/15.html

  39. January 26, 2015 12:01 pm

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 12:17 pm

    Who cares about any of the monarchy rubbish and the pretence if the PM is our head of state? Why even bother with a GG, still superfluous!
    Howard as PM usurped all the ceremonial roles of the GG anyway and nothing has changed since, no point having one.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 12:18 pm

    Seems we are now all the way back to 1788 (only took a year) … the link below is a transcript of the TV interview I heard (and commented on) earlier … (I’m not watching the crap TV’s next door) …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-stands-by-his-knight-decision/story-e6frfku9-1227196825503

  42. george permalink
    January 26, 2015 12:21 pm

    Former governor-general Paul Hasluck asserted in 1979 that Australia’s monarch is the country’s head of state.[47] Six years later, however, Professor Colin Howard stated that, as the constitution makes executive power exercisable only by the governor-general, and not the Queen, it is the governor-general who is, “as a matter of law”, the head of state.[48] Howard went so far as to say that Australia is not even a monarchy, but a “governor-generalship”.[49]

    Others followed Howard’s view: In 1998, Professor Owen E. Hughes of Monash University stated that the governor-general is the head of state as “the position is one of great formal power, both legal and political”;[50] Sir David Smith, a former Official Secretary to five governors-general, holds that the governor-general is head of state, while the Queen is Australia’s sovereign, since the constitution directs the governor-general, and not the monarch, to carry out the duties of head of state;[51][52] and Professor David Flint, convenor of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, feels the same way, believing the High Court’s 1907 decision R v Governor resolves the issue as a constitutional description. Professor Flint asserts that the term head of state is a diplomatic one and is governed by international law and insists that, as the governor-general is sent overseas and received as head of state, she is, under international law, a head of state. He says this has only become an issue because the republicans have been unable to raise other reasons to change the constitution, highlighting that it was argued nine times by the republicans in the official Yes/No booklet sent to voters in the referendum.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_head_of_state_dispute

    It seems there is argument amongst greater minds than are available here.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 12:22 pm

    Why even bother with a GG, still superfluous!

    EXPENSIVE! And superfluous … all SEVEN of ’em!

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 12:30 pm

    … as the governor-general is sent overseas and received as head of state, she (SIC) is, under international law, a head of state …

    Sir Peter would be peeved … do keep up George …

    Thank you for the “briefing” but as a Republican all I can say is WGAF?

    Wonder if the Queen discusses matters of state with GG?

    In fact if the GG – HoS – sovereignty – Constitution issue is so messy its time we called it a day and cut those frayed apron strings once and for all … and rewrote the Constitution …

    Such a childish arrangement … but then … the “adults” are in charge …

  45. January 26, 2015 3:19 pm

    Who is this Davos Man they speak of?

  46. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 3:22 pm

    be quiet blib, just stand there, shh, don`t say anything

    Shorten has stood for nothing so far

    Poor old Bill, stuck between a rock and a hard place. Or is it between Tweedledum and Tweedledee?

    Yes, Bill stands for nothing, even though I do recall the oz and a few here having a go at him for standing up for Australian jobs, and throwing the old “racist” line at him for good order because he dared to say that our workers could be as good as Japanese workers. The gall. Yea, he stands for nothing. Or who can recall wincypine getting his henchthing to stop the standing ovation Bill Shorten received for outlining his and Labors position in response to the budget. Yet, he should just slink away according to the experts? Or already has? Because him playing nothing will definitely get Labor back in front in a very good position for the next election. 😯

    Thanks fellas, that goes down real well for me Aussie ozzie ozzy day recovery , Tweedledum and Tweedledee, offering up such perceptive insights into their perceptions/perceivings ROFL

  47. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 3:25 pm

    Who is this Davos Man they speak of?

    The next in the line of many straw men all aimed at stopping any real action against AGW is my guess 😉

  48. January 26, 2015 3:36 pm

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 5:55 pm

    So, that’ll be yet another lie

    PM Tony Abbott rules out reinstating Knights and Dames in Oz
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/pm-tony-abbott-rules-out-reinstating-knights-and-dames-in-oz/story-fni0cx12-1226788026229?sv=9bf5d85ec74b1061d9ff3f9879d0e00f#.VMXdkEXFfhc.twitter

  50. January 26, 2015 6:00 pm

    TOSY ignores the simpering of an Australian PM towards an irrelevant, obsolete foreign monarchy, and concentrates on breaches of understanding of protocol from critics.

    Won’t save Abbott, or wash the distaste many are left with in their mouth on Ockertard Tablecloth Burning Day (yes, I burned another one…oh how I laughed & laughed- I bet Prince Handbag didn’t even weep).

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:14 pm

    The boys club, they consistently serve themselves and their mates, while taxpayers have to pay for elites to congratulate and indulge each other.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:17 pm

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:19 pm

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:20 pm

  55. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:22 pm

    Wow, just Catching Up 🙂 with the yabot brainfart of prince bongo getting a big gong. What a wanker is our prime miniature.

    And teabarf reckons BillFixShorten is on a loser with this ROFL

    I keep thinking/hoping that yabot will last until the election, but really, this level of self inflicted fuckwittery cannot go on for much longer, can it?

    that he never rescinded his UK citizenship and is in the parliament illegally.

    All of this mother england parsonsnosesucking behaviour just has to prod some gormless churnalist into asking the million dollar question of someone with the ability to answer with a yes or no, once and for all.

    All he need do is front up with the, to date, missing evidence that he has rescinded his pommy ass off.

    Or are they collectively too afraid of what they will uncover, something a functioning 4th estate would have unearthed prior to them electing him?

  56. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:25 pm

    lol AO, I followed your Quiggin tweet, and found this

    Bill Shorten’s call yesterday to reopen the republic debate struck me as uncharacteristically brave. Now, with Abbott’s bizarre decision to confer an Australian knighthood on a foreign prince, it looks prescient, or perhaps well-informed.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/01/26/shorten-and-abbott-revive-the-republic/

  57. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:28 pm

    Although one (independent) media outlet appears to be chasing what should be a straight forward matter.

    Kevin Rudd’s replacement in the seat of Griffith, Terri Butler, writes to Tony Abbott asking him to put to rest speculation he is ineligible to sit in the Australian Parliament due to never having renounced his British citizenship.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/terri-butler-mp-asks-pm-abbott-to-prove-he-is-not-a-british-citizen,7299

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 6:43 pm

  59. January 26, 2015 6:58 pm

    ””””””””l am a NO-republic voter.” That tells us you do .. “polish the current
    hood-ornament/s” .. by simply accepting the BS of the Firm and its supporters ..
    Evil exists where good people do nothing … FMD … dopey comment or what!””””

    ##That is a highly cherry-picked unworthy reply TB, very unworthy of you considering l did put this explainer,

    #l most definitely don`t believe we would get a `republic-of-no-surprises` from these
    lying, thieving, cheating cnuts in canberra either, just more easier trough-snouting for
    them.

    AND you chose to ignore it. l also noticed you gave no explainer of how our floundering,
    farcical so-called democracy would improve by changing hood-ornaments. l still agree with armchair, team-republic had no fcuking hope in hell of convincing the general public to support them under the `oh-just-trust-us` sales-pitch for a `republic-of-no-surprises`.

    #Yes, l do understand there is a peppering of children of the 1950`s-to-70`s throughout
    Aust that resented team-cheering the `flag` and the hood-ornament/s at school, and would have much rather been in `trigonometry` class.

  60. January 26, 2015 7:51 pm

    ”””Tablecloth Burning Day (yes, I burned another one”””

    well done dunny 🙂

    (tablecloths burn much better with a zombie wrapped snugly in them, l recommend dutton)

    #do you burn tablecloths because you want another tablecloth-design, or is it the team-republic thing.?

  61. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2015 7:56 pm

    I just saw the knightndame reported on abc24, and, after having a go at yabot for miss-stepping on oz day, they went out of their way to say this is what Gillard used to do 😯

    From memory, wasn’t the whole fuck up with oz day over yabot being a racist fuckwit again? And our media looking under every rock to move attention away from him again?

    fucken muppets

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 7:58 pm

    ##That is a highly cherry-picked unworthy reply TB, very unworthy of you considering l did put this explainer, …

    AND you chose to ignore it. l also noticed you gave no explainer of how our floundering,
    farcical so-called democracy would improve by changing hood-ornaments.

    More crap! We get rid of the of SEVEN GGs and the COST! … who’s cherry picking!

    And we take control of our own destiny REALLY! We did it decades a go anyway … but we need to do it officially! Its a matter of national PRIDE! FUCK THE POMS! And fuck The Firm!

    I’m AUSTRALIAN not some fucking lackey of some Divine Right of Kings crap … half way around the world … that most Aussies have not visited and those that have wouldn’t live there anyway!

    #l most definitely don`t believe we would get a `republic-of-no-surprises` from these
    lying, thieving, cheating cnuts in canberra either, just more easier trough-snouting for
    them.

    This is an explainer …? FFS! … and for your information I was approached on a number of occasions in 2005 (I was overseas) by BRITISH people who could not understand why we had rejected the Referendum …

    Maybe the Howard SECOND question had something to do with it … and what does Malcolm Turncoat do for a living now? BTW were you eligible to vote in the Referendum?

    “republic of non surprises” is a fudge … (like it the way it is, do you?) Unworthy? Whose Unworthy?

    Would you vote for a Republic now or not?

    Your previous (and this) comment would say NO …

    Insult me with “unworthy” … but analyse your own comments …

    REPUBLIC NOW? YES!

    Your original comment said, no … and you try to give me a hard time … ??

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 8:11 pm

    And here’s another reason …tbagz … ’cause you seem to play a silly game of bagging the dicks in the LNP but saying stuff that supports them …

    The Firm visits us “occasionally” these days but it cost the nation (TAXPAYERS) MILLIONS of dollars … fuck ’em off and we’ve just about paid of the fictional debt issue that Hockey (where is Joe, BTW?) keeps burbling about!

    I don’t want my grandkids paying for George’s trips to watch the Rugby Union Tri Nation Cup like his old man and uncle did in the past … ’cause it costs us MILLIONS of dollars …
    don’t the LNP talk about debt to our children and their children ?

    I’d sooner see my taxes go to education and health … let the ROBBER BARONS pay their own way … agree?

    ‘Cause if they have to pay for themselves – we won’t see ’em (ya know support the tourism industry in a positive way) … what a shame …

  64. January 26, 2015 8:25 pm

    “do you burn tablecloths because you want another tablecloth-design, or is it the team-republic thing.?”

    I don’t do Nationalism

    I definitely don’t do allegiance to offshore Nationalism either.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2015 8:39 pm

    I don’t do Nationalism

    So what happens when the rest of us Nationalists need yer help and ISIL comes knock, knock, knocking at yer door, bro?

    … you do have a copy of the Quran on your bookshelf? I hope … then you can join ……………………………………………

  66. January 26, 2015 9:17 pm

    “TOSY ignores the simpering of an Australian PM towards an irrelevant, obsolete foreign monarchy, and concentrates on breaches of understanding of protocol from critics.”

    It’s not obsolete, yet, in case you haven’t noticed. I’m a rebublican at heart, but the botched attempt by Malcolm and Eddie Everywhere set the cause back a hundred years.

  67. January 26, 2015 9:27 pm

    I subscribe to the theory of natural law, and assume that all men are “created” equal, therefore I obviously do not condone any kind of “royal” birthright. Nevertheless, a viable republican model has to prove it can fix that which is not obviously broken.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

  68. January 26, 2015 9:44 pm

    “One of the consequences is that as all humans are created equally free, governments need the consent of the governed.[101] Thomas Jefferson, arguably echoing Locke, appealed to unalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”[102] The Lockean idea that governments need the consent of the governed was also fundamental to the Declaration of Independence, as the American Revolutionaries used it as justification for their separation from the British crown.[103]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law#Liberal_natural_law

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 9:44 pm

    The fact that there is a royal birthright still is the evidence in itself to prove that all men are not created equal, so it’s always been broken [let alone women’s less than equal place in society where ‘natural law’ operates Who interprets natural laws anyway? is it the same people who benefit from them?

    Campbell Newman’s lawyers tried to delay deadline for defence of libel claim:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jan/26/campbell-newmans-lawyers-tried-to-delay-deadline-for-defence-of-libel-claim

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/the-aristocrats-why-knighting-prince-philip-is-a-joke-at-australias-expense

  70. January 26, 2015 9:51 pm

    ”””bagging the dicks in the LNP but saying stuff that supports them”””

    Yes, l have also previously acknowledged teabumpkins are occasionally correct, much in the way a broken clock manages to be correct twice a day. That doesn`t mean my NO-vote is in any way for the same reason/s as theirs. Yes, l also would say that most of the voting would be based on `celeb` style team-cheering for current or `other` hood-ornaments. lt is just not my reason.

    +

    Our farcical democracy, which gets nearly as hairy-chested on the international stage as teh-usa in clubbing other nations over the head with democa-theory, falls on its dumb-arse at home, fcuks about with womens private medical issue/s (abortion), even when its women of `caliber` and those that can `twirl`. Likewise they also fail on voluntary-euthanasia which has always had 80%-90% public support, and gay-marriage which has held 70%-80% public support for quite some time now. As far as l`m aware, the hood-ornament is not the problem on these issues, it is our own corrupt cnuts in canberra. l also don`t see swapping hood-ornaments as making it easier for these topics, but harder.

  71. January 26, 2015 9:52 pm

    “The fact that there is a royal birthright still is the evidence in itself to prove that all men are not created equal”

    It’s a “fact” only if you’re prepared to accept it as fact. I don’t.

    The problem is coming up with and implementing a viable alternative to existing arrangements.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:12 pm

    Given the very limited gene pool in the Australian Parliament, the US system is far superior – cabinet positions assigned to people not in the parliament.

    Australian cabinets are generally pathetic – and a big reason is that they’re full of time servers. No sensible and capable person would bother to submit themselves to the painful pre-selection process to finish up in cabinet. We get only power hungry odd ball.
    —————–
    For example, Abbott is an odd ball, and this is illustrated by his decision to make the queens husband a knight, about the 3rd or 4th since the reintroduction of imperial honours.

    Stupid,

  73. January 26, 2015 10:17 pm

    “The French Huguenot nobles and clergy, having rejected the pope and the Catholic Church, were left only with the supreme power of the king who, they taught, could not be gainsaid or judged by anyone. Since there was no longer the countervailing power of the papacy and since the Church of England was a creature of the state and had become subservient to it, this meant that there was nothing to regulate the powers of the king, and he became an absolute power. In theory, divine, natural, customary, and constitutional law still held sway over the king, but, absent a superior spiritual power, it was difficult to see how they could be enforced, since the king could not be tried by any of his own courts.”

    “The concept of divine right incorporates, but exaggerates, the ancient Christian concept of “royal God-given rights”, which teach that “the right to rule is anointed by God”, although this idea is found in many other cultures, including Aryan and Egyptian traditions. In pagan religions, the king was often seen as a kind of god and so was an unchallengeable despot. The ancient Roman Catholic tradition overcame this idea with the doctrine of the “Two Swords” and so achieved, for the very first time, a balanced constitution for states. The advent of Protestantism saw something of a return to the idea of a mere unchallengeable despot.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:20 pm

    It’s a “fact” only if you’re prepared to accept it as fact. I don’t.

    Facts exist by themselves tosy, your acceptance [or not] makes no difference to the fact which stands alone. That sounds a lot like “It’s not a lie if you believe it” 🙂

  75. January 26, 2015 10:28 pm

    “Facts exist by themselves tosy”

    But who decrees what is a “fact”? If I dispute your version, who do you trust to adjudicate?

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:31 pm

    …Australian cabinets are generally pathetic – and a big reason is that they’re full of time servers. No sensible and capable person would bother to submit themselves to the painful pre-selection process to finish up in cabinet. We get only power hungry odd ball…

    Besides being a supposed representative democracy where we can’t choose who can represent us. The party chooses who is up for selection and the party chooses their leader. With the preferential ‘deals’ between parties, they even manage to distort any kind of voter intent.

    We get hobson’s choice in elections, in representation and in our ‘democracy’.

  77. January 26, 2015 10:33 pm

    ”””The Firm visits us “occasionally” these days but it cost the nation (TAXPAYERS)”””

    ln the theme of `robber-barrons`, team-stupid has trotted us off to the Afghan/lraq disasters costing us XX dollars over the last 13-years or so. During the same 13-years hosting costs for hood-ornaments have been 1/XXth the cost. ln cost-saving exercises it is much better to hunt sardines and save 1/XXth, not whales and save XX. We can then add the 1/XXth to the misadventure waste spend. #small.fry

  78. January 26, 2015 10:44 pm

    ”””Facts exist by themselves tosy, your acceptance”””

    Disagree armchair (somewhat anyway) for data to be `truely` useful, it needs to be `accepted-as-fact` by a very large segment of the population, the more emotional the issue, the larger the segment needs to be. Remember denial.? Flat verses Round.?

    Round proved so useful in navigation that eventually `flat` largely got laughed out of town, tho there are a few flat-earthers hanging on.

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:46 pm

    …But who decrees what is a “fact”? If I dispute your version, who do you trust to adjudicate?…

    A fact, is indisputable it’s not my version or your version, a fact doesn’t take sides. I think you’re talking about ‘opinion’

  80. January 26, 2015 10:48 pm

    “A fact, is indisputable”

    I dispute that.

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 10:51 pm

    …Disagree armchair (somewhat anyway) for data to be `truely` useful, it needs to be `accepted-as-fact` by a very large segment of the population, the more emotional the issue, the larger the segment needs to be. Remember denial.? Flat verses Round.?..

    And that’s what I’m thinking of bagz, but even with denial, somewhere amongst all the he says, she says stuff is the truth [fact]. In a court case I guess facts in dispute are assessed by peers, probabilities, experts, law adjudicators and research [I think].

    But the truth will be there, no matter what people ‘believe’.

  82. January 26, 2015 11:24 pm

    ””the truth(#fact/science/etc) will be there, no matter what people ‘believe””

    #agree, that is where `wisdom` needs to kick-in, and it is time to stop arguing with fools, remember `flat` was the `fact` for centuries, (12 l think) so the `kings` and their `navies` ended up going around the imbeciles in secret

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 26, 2015 11:27 pm

    I dispute that.

    Well, you can, doesn’t mean you’re right though. I know people dispute other versions of fact all the time, but one will be right and one wrong. Somewhere amongst all the disputation, opinion, emotion etc will be the indisputable fact that determines the truth [It might be me in this debate 😉 ].

    “Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please”
    …Mark Twain

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence”
    …John Adams

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:08 am

    I dispute that.

    But I guess the real question is, are you able to do that without being proven wrong?

    If not, then I guess the “fact” remains the same 😉

  85. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:15 am

    Speaking of factual factoids, it looks like the CSIRO won’t stop sciencing against the prevailing weather in canberri

    Science agency the CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology predict temperature rises of up to 5.1c in Australia by 2090 in their most comprehensive forecast yet

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/26/climate-change-will-hit-australia-harder-than-rest-of-world-study-shows

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:51 am

    “A fact, is indisputable”

    I dispute that.

    You are confused between concept and fact …

    … using teabagz reference to flat and round both “concepts” were disputed but the fact remains that neither was correct … the earth is neither flat nor round … it is in fact an imperfect globe …

    As for The Firm … being born into royalty “entitles” a child to far more opportunities than a child born amongst England’s green satanic mills …

    … even tho’ the age of entitlement in the UK (David Cameron used the term long before Hockey!) and in Australia has ended for some – apparently …

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:51 am

    “the US system is far superior – cabinet positions assigned to people not in the parliament.

    In theory that is true but in practice i doubt if it would make much difference. If you were the USA Cabinet head of the military you may have some expertise in submarines but most probably have no expertise in F-35’s. What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    But same goes for the electorate. What if the electorate has no common sense? In 2007 unemployment was at 4%, govt debt = ZERO, booming economy and the electorate threw out the party who produced the best economic numbers for a generation.

  88. January 27, 2015 8:51 am

    “So what happens when the rest of us Nationalists need yer help and ISIL comes knock, knock, knocking at yer door, bro?”

    It will never happen. Unsurprisingly, infinitely remote possibilities don’t concern me.

    I don’t have a Quran, but thankyou for asking. I don’t have a bible, Bagavad Gita or a top hat either.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:53 am

    oops … dark satanic mills …

  90. January 27, 2015 8:55 am

    Yeah, the Bureau of Meteorology can’t get their 1 to 7 day forecasts right. Who actually thinks they can predict events 75 years from now?

  91. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:55 am

    it is in fact an imperfect globe

    And yabot is making it more imperfect day by day 😦

    Dead, buried, cremated. WWZ is upon us.

    The government and its lobbyists continue to spread misinformation about penalty rates. Here’s what the Centre for Work and Life (lead researcher Tony Daly from the University of South Australia) found last year in its research about penalty rates.

    Those most likely to receive penalty rates were workers in the social assistance, manufacturing and healthcare industries. The report said: “Of those who received penalty rates for working unsocial hours, over one third relied on this penalty rates for household expenses. Those relying on penalty rates were more likely to be women, sole parents or with combined household incomes less than $30,000.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-brings-work-choices-back-from-the-dead-20150126-12yd51.html

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:56 am

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    What you want is a person with common sense and can pick the right policies. Sometimes intelligence may not be very valuable.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It will never happen.

    Whoooo … hoho …

    I hear the bikies have all moved to the state I graduated in … ?

  93. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:58 am

    Who actually thinks they can predict events 75 years from now?

    97% of the worlds scientist (or, for the layman, those who unnerstand the differential between weather and climate) 😉

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:59 am

    (lead researcher Tony Daly from the University of South Australia)

    Chuckle … my alma mater … coincides with my last comment …

  95. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:13 am

    I hear the bikies have all moved to the state I graduated in … ?

    Isn’t that where they came from to begin with 😉

  96. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:17 am

  97. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:18 am

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:19 am

    “Who actually thinks they can predict events 75 years from now?

    Like i said there is a big difference between intelligence and common sense or knowledge and wisdom.

    The “left” may be intelligent, may have lots of knowledge but when it comes to picking policies they usually pick the one that does not work.

  99. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:24 am

    “Who actually thinks they can predict events 75 years from now?”

    Isn’t hockey budgeting for 150 years in the future?

    Perhaps he should focus on the here and now.

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:30 am

    Exactly

    Swan predicted a $20B surplus for his very first budget and it ended up a $20B deficit. A $40B turn around.

    Swan could not even predict 12 months in advance. In fact he never got any predictions even close even with all the scientific advice he was getting.

  101. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:34 am

    Can you name someone who has nIl?

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:51 am

    Well that is my point. Predicting the future is not easy.

    But i would trust Hockey more than i would trust Swan. It will be interesting to see how close or far out are the predictions of Hockey.

    But predicting the climate in 75 years is madness. Apparently it is all computer modelling. And a computer cannot model the climate.

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:04 am

    Yogi Berra — ‘It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.’

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:14 am

    Economics is not a science neil [although some of them like to think they’re scientists], not sure what it’s classed as – an art? Certainly not one of the ‘hard’ sciences.

    Why Economics Is Not A Science
    https://robertnielsen21.wordpress.com/2014/08/09/why-economics-is-not-a-science/

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:15 am

    If it was a science, they would have predicted the GFC 😆

  106. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:15 am

    Predicting the future is not easy.

    Yet you continue to trot out the same old shit

    And, the ‘models’ have proven to be worryingly accurate especially when you consider the variabilities involved.

  107. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:18 am

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:23 am

    97% of the worlds scientist (or, for the layman, those who unnerstand the differential between weather and climate)”

    That statement is wrong.

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:25 am

    Economics – the dismal science.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:25 am

    😆

  111. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:28 am

    That statement is wrong.

    That statement is incorrect. 😉

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:34 am

    “Economics is not a science neil

    And neither is computer modelling of the climate.

    It is a prediction and cannot be falsified. You have to wait until the prediction turns out to be wrong.

    Fact is the computer models cannot explain the current pause in temperature increase.

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:41 am

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:54 am

    And neither is computer modelling of the climate.
    It is a prediction and cannot be falsified. You have to wait until the prediction turns out to be wrong…

    Which hasn’t happened.
    2014 – 1900 = 174 years of successful prediction in climate trend.

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

  115. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:01 am

    beat me to it AO 😉

    And neither is computer modelling of the climate.

    Again, facts are not with you sorry nIl

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

    Fact is the computer models cannot explain the current pause in temperature increase.

    Again, facts are not with you sorry nIl

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/unpacking-unpaused-global-warming-models-right.html

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:16 am

    The Lock the Gate Alliance has revealed the results of its survey of the Queensland State Election candidates policies on the environmental impact of mining, with minor parties and independents praised highly in comparison to the two major parties.

    LNP refused to respond, they’ve been given extra time.

    Where the parties stand on the reef

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:24 am

    Skeptical Science is not credible. John Cook should restrict himself to things he is good at like impersonating Nazis.

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:35 am

    Well around and around the mulberry bush we go. To bad the Met Office does not agree with you

    https://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/ipcc-5th-assessment-report-in-the-news/

    “Over recent days some commentators have criticised climate models for not predicting the pause. It’s good to see this being addressed, and so begin to clarify the difference between climate model projections and predictions

    The current pause was not predicted. The Met Office says this is because of the difference between short terms predictions which could be wrong and long term projections which will be correct.

    I predict that AGW will prove to be the biggest fraud in scientific history. But the first comment on the Met Office blog got it right.

  119. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:38 am

    Skeptical Science is not credible

    It doesn’t have to be, as it explains

    To those seeking to refute the science presented, one needs to address the peer reviewed papers where the science comes from (links to the full papers are provided whenever possible).

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/about.shtml

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:39 am

    The current pause was not predicted

    That’s because there isn’t one neil.

  121. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:41 am

    Did you read to the end nIl

    I will, in case you missed it 😉

    There is no mileage in a story about models being ‘flawed’ because they did not predict the pause; it’s merely a misunderstanding of the science and the difference between a prediction and a projection.

    As the IPCC states in line with our three papers on the pause, the deep ocean is likely a key player in the current pause, effectively ‘hiding’ heat from the surface. Climate model projections simulate such pauses, a few every hundred years lasting a decade or more; and they replicate the influence of the modes of natural climate variability, like the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) that we think is at the centre of the current pause.

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:44 am

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:46 am

    Yep. I read it.

    So the models did not predict the current pause because there is a difference between a prediction and a projection. But the projection will ALWAYS be correct?

    The Met Office said this

    “Over recent days some commentators have criticised climate models for not predicting the pause.”

    So the MET Office agrees the climate models did not predict this pause but they say the projection will be correct.

    WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:57 am

    neil the cherrypicker, carrying on egg’s legacy.

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 12:18 pm

    No i am just repeating what you INSANE people are saying.

    Computer predictions for the next 10-20 years may be wrong.

    But computer projections for the next 50-100 years will be correct.

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 12:35 pm

    Neil, can you explain the difference between weather and climate? [seems the conservative brain has great difficulty with this concept].

  127. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 12:46 pm

    No i am just repeating what you INSANE people are saying.

    Actually, you are just repeating what sections of the denialiti repeat, ad nauseaum

    Even though the article you linked to explained what models do and do not do, you just rinse/repeat.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 12:55 pm

    Like i said there is a big difference between intelligence and common sense

    Is that how you spell commonsense? Or is it common-sense?

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:01 pm

    If it was a science, they would have predicted the GFC

    That’s what Jon McP and I said … chortle …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    neil the cherrypicker, carrying on egg’s legacy.

    And will end up the same place as, egg … if he takes no notice of the blogmeister … he’s a firm beliver in three warnings and Kapital Punishment!

  130. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:07 pm

    I am not cherry picking anything. I quoted the Met Office which has more authority than anything TomR or AO posted.

    The Met Office said climate models did not predict the pause. They gave an explanation. Short term predictions may be wrong but long term projections will be right.

    Whatever.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:08 pm

    [seems the conservative brain has great difficulty with this concept].

    And a few more I can think of …

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:09 pm

    The difference between politics in uk and australia. Would be good if our politicians practice what they preach.

    One man, one vote
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/november/1414760400/judith-brett/one-man-one-vote

  133. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:32 pm

    Whatever.

    🙂

    “your brain is not in a service area” ROFL

  134. January 27, 2015 6:27 pm

    “Whoooo … hoho …”

    Sorry, TB, but if you are (genuinely, rather than comedically) inferring that I should be concerned by ISIL knocking on my door, and that is some sort of rationalisation in favour of Nationalism…well, I’m still not buying.

    I can only imagine that you probably don’t see the isolated nature of my part of the corner of this state.

    As for the bikies, well, they’re everywhere & like all subcultures they’re ineradicable. I know a few personally; they’re not all caricatures.

    Flag burning…there should be more of it…and anytime I feel like pissing on Nationalism I’ll incinerate one as I laugh.

  135. January 27, 2015 6:39 pm

    As for penalty rates, well it’s quite likely that all of those spouting off about justifications for their removal are not, and very likely never have been, shiftworkers.

    I’m in the middle of six nightshifts at the moment…and, NEWSFLASH, it doesn’t feel particularly comfortable or ‘normal’, even after doing it for decades.

    It seems to me that companies have herad the dogwhistle & are going in for cost of labour reductions, assuming they have the blessing of the ideologues in charge. STOP PRESS…ideologues won’t be in charge long enough to demolish penalty rates if they keep up the attack. Companies should pause for breathe and sniff the Realpolitik.

  136. January 27, 2015 6:40 pm

    #gooccupydandenong

    #morejustificationforstrongunionmembershipnotless

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:43 pm

    What is their grievance?

    I have no idea, all I’ve heard are some news reports where some bloke from the NUW said they were “awesome”

  138. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:09 pm

    What is their grievance?

    We are here to edimicate youse yomm 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/01/23/rostrum-i-want-to-believe-edition/#comment-92827

  139. January 27, 2015 8:31 pm

    ‘A pay cut or we’ll shut the gate’ sounds like something most employees would feel aggrieved by.

    YomM is almost inferring that perhaps they are unjustified in their protestations?

  140. January 27, 2015 8:34 pm

    *breath

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:40 pm

    “As for penalty rates, well it’s quite likely that all of those spouting off about justifications for their removal are not, and very likely never have been, shiftworkers.”

    People are talking about removing penalty rates for casual workers on the weekend.

    Not for full time workers doing overtime or for shiftworkers.

    The argument is that penalty rates stop restaurants from opening and inhibit employment of casual workers. It is not for people who after working 35 hours do some overtime.

  142. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:08 pm

    People are talking about removing penalty rates for casual workers on the weekend.

    but the changes will apply to

    full time workers doing overtime or for shiftworkers.

    workchoice obfuscation 101

    Mind you, penalty rates should be applied to casual workers on the weekend too. It is still a weekend.

    The shops wanted to open all weekend, now comes stage two.

    It is all workchoices by stealth. cutting workers conditions.

  143. January 27, 2015 11:35 pm

    Fully agree with dunny @639 + @640

    Pretty much the same @627 too, #bikers, never had trouble with any `brand` of them, in any location around the country, found most of`em okay, not buying mr-rabbits #tewwa-fearist horse-shit either, l rarely have gone to `capital-city` no matter where l`ve lived, can`t see the loonies targeting blue-collar, low-paid plebsville for excitement, or our aldi either

    #enjoy ya`matches and tablecloths dunny 🙂

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:39 am

    “Mind you, penalty rates should be applied to casual workers on the weekend too. It is still a weekend

    I can see an argument for only giving penalty rates only for people working overtime or doing shiftwork.

    The argument is that giving penalty rates for casual workers on weekends keeps business closed and reduces employment.

  145. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 6:33 am

    The argument is that giving penalty rates for casual workers on weekends keeps business closed and reduces employment.

    Yes, but the ‘argument’ is a lie. yabot is exhibit a)

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/01/23/its-just-a-flesh-wound/#comment-92480

  146. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 7:23 am

    And, penalty rates is not all they are after. The minimum wage is on the hitlist too

    Another review has set its sights on the minimum wage. Hopefully it realises that by keeping people out of the labour market, the minimum wage is creating the very poverty trap it is supposed to alleviate, writes Chris Berg.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-27/berg-minimum-wages-and-the-path-to-poverty/6048126

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:44 am

    He should get better aftershave:

    A man had sex with a Shetland pony after he was seen leading it and another pony into a dark wooded area at the end of a paddock, a court heard.

    Alan Barnfield, described as a “sexual deviant”, was found by police “sweating profusely and smelling strongly of horses”

  148. January 28, 2015 2:10 pm

    Computer models: is there anything they can’t can do?

  149. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:51 pm

    is there anything they can’t can do?

    Apparently not 😉

    http://warmhearted.cgsociety.org/art/maya-photoshop-every-book-is-a-tragedy-trees-design-3d-1251201

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:52 pm

    When the models fail to predict reality, reality is wrong. Or is it only climate models that work that way?

  151. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 3:33 pm

    Or is it only climate models that work that way?

    You do understand that these models are weather forecasting models, don’t you? And the authorities went with the worst case

    #justsayin 😉

  152. January 28, 2015 3:42 pm

    An oldie but a goodie…

    A job interview..

    HR Manager: So, what would you say is your greatest weakness?

    Job Applicant: Sometimes I think I can be too honest.

    HR Manager: I wouldn’t really consider that a weakness.

    Job Applicant: Who gives a fuck what you think…

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 4:14 pm

    An even older one … a Personnel Manager has just resigned and his secretary has always been curious … the manager always looked into his right side drawer whenever he signed a letter …

    As the PM went out of the door the secretary quickly ran into his “old” office and slid out the drawer to see what he used to look at … she found a note sticky taped to the bottom … it read … “2 Ns in personnel” …

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 5:12 pm

    jurnylism at its best …

    But initial investigations indicate he was not met with foul play.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 7:35 pm

    The stupid, incompetent world of Australian politics in the 21st Century

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/what-kind-of-message-are-you-sending-annastacia-palaszczuk-questions-election-cartoon/story-fnj4alav-1227199858590

  156. January 29, 2015 11:10 am

    sydney seige hearing, abc24, gunman fired `five` rounds, one execution-style in the back of kneeling managers head, the other four rounds at nsw-plod, all of which seem to have missed. Nsw-plod fired 22 rounds, some hitting gunman in head and body, killing gunman. The rest of the injuries were from ricocheting nsw-plod rounds, including the rounds causing the death of the female lawyer. The `flash-bangs` are NOT part of the ricocheting rounds damage.

  157. January 29, 2015 3:49 pm

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:03 pm

    … gunman fired `five` rounds, …

    Three round shotgun … unusual weapon for Australia … wonder where he got that from …

    Most shotguns are two shell shotguns … weapons ie rifles can only be bolt action although they can use multi shot magazines …

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:04 pm

    Luv the David tweet, sreb … can just imagine it! 😉

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2015 7:28 pm

    This article by Matt Ridley describes his journey from climate alarmist to lukewarmer and the reaction to it. It is very close to my experience.

  161. January 30, 2015 12:40 am

    Ya `Lukewarmer` smells like another layer of denial in the multi-layer `industrial-denial-complex`. Another load of emotive `poor-me` being called a denier from a `qualified` book author. Yeah sure, he will make some money peddling his bleatings to team-denial enthusiasts.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2015 6:54 pm

    More bastardised American English from our Australian “uni” trained journos …

    DO WEARABLE fitness trackers, such as Fitbits, actually work? A new study suggests that most people who wear them are doing the exact opposite of what they need to get fit.

    Is this the result of lowering standards of English to universities or just lazy journalism …

    If you don’t see a broken rule … love to hear why …

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:13 pm

    sb, Re Matt Ridley … a really good read …

    This was convincing … If I want argument from authority, I replied, I will join the Catholic Church.

    I remain agnostic … and a champion of clean alternative energy … a Tesla is way out of my league at $95,000 … economy rules society …

  164. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:33 pm

    I remain agnostic … yet accept the part of the projections that have come to fruition and can no longer be denied, but reject everything else those same scientists who warned of it years ago because ….. “because I support free markets or because I receive income indirectly from the mining of coal in Northumberland”

    A highly predictable read from another Denier just trying on a different angle but with the same base problem as every other Denier. Getting it wrong, and getting it wrong very often

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jan/21/matt-ridley-wants-to-gamble-earths-future-because-wont-learn-from-past

    Sorry, I’d love to be a ‘lukewarmer’, but every ‘argument’ I have read against AGW as the scientists predicts have that one trait in common. Inaccuracy.

  165. January 30, 2015 7:39 pm

    The polemic nature of the argument makes me view the overstatements made by both sides with extreme cynicism.

  166. January 30, 2015 7:44 pm

    Just because Tom R has been wrong about every cause he’s ever hitched his wagon to doesn’t mean he’s wrong about this one.

  167. January 30, 2015 7:48 pm

    That sounds very absolutist. You’re usually careful to qualify your remarks.

    I’m positive that TomR hasn’t been wrong about ‘every cause’ he’s hitched his wagon to…or even most causes.

  168. January 30, 2015 7:51 pm

    “I’m positive”

    I’d run through them, but I can’t be bothered.

    (Pink Batts, School Halls, Gillard, etc etc etc. I’ve been watching his comments for a long time now.)

  169. January 30, 2015 7:54 pm

    And yet, the ones about Abbott et al are very likely to be spot on!

  170. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:55 pm

    or even most causes.

    I’d settle for “lots” 😉

    But, in scientists defence, I wasn’t relying on their expertise in those cases 😆

    But, then again, I might have been right a few times too 😯

    The polemic nature of the argument makes me view the overstatements made by both sides with extreme cynicism.

    Is why I like to stick with scientists. It is when the media get hold of their “worst case” scenarios, and start treating it like an absolute. The recent non existent snow storm in New York is a prime example.

  171. January 30, 2015 7:56 pm

    “And yet, the ones about Abbott et al are very likely to be spot on!”

    Don’t forget MURDOCH!

  172. January 30, 2015 7:57 pm

    And (some) Iron Maiden is good!

    And his football team are genuine champions!

    *did I mention, suck shit, James ‘Preener’ Hird?

  173. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:57 pm

    Pink Batts, School Halls

    What, because I disagree with murdoch ROFL

    Pink Batts. Vastly increased the use of insulation, lowering peoples energy consumption and bills, and done so with a far lower rate of fires (and most probably deaths) than previously

    School Halls. Done far better and cheaper than most private ventures, and provided much needed investment in school infrastructure while simultaneously helping to avert recession.

    Have I got any of that wrong yet?

  174. January 30, 2015 7:58 pm

    Murdoch has soiled himself recently with his twittering.

    He has exposed his underbelly.

  175. January 30, 2015 7:58 pm

    “Have I got any of that wrong yet?”

    Yes, all of it.

  176. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:58 pm

    And (some) Iron Maiden is good!

    And (some) Iron Maiden is bad!

    Fixed it for ya 😉

  177. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 7:59 pm

    Yes, all of it.

    So, you disagree that the rate of fires in the “Pink Batts” rollout was lower than previously?

  178. January 30, 2015 8:00 pm

    I’m personally very happy with the school hall which was built at my daughter’s (then) primary school.

    That’s the only way we ever get shit, down here in the sticks…

  179. January 30, 2015 8:00 pm

    “He has exposed his underbelly.”

    Yes, he’s unleashed his inner leftoid.

    (We’ll see how much power Uncle Rupe wields if Abbott sacks Credlin, as MURDOCH! demands.)

  180. January 30, 2015 8:02 pm

    Say something about Abbott, TomR…and conquer ToSY’s incredulence with irrefutable logic!

  181. January 30, 2015 8:02 pm

    “So, you disagree that the rate of fires in the “Pink Batts” rollout was lower than previously?”

    I think splatterbottom nailed it with his description of Peter Garrett as a Celebrity Arsonist.

  182. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:03 pm

    I’ll leave ya with some more “facts” (imo 🙂 ) to mull over for now

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/how-rudds-pink-batts-saved-australia,5625

  183. January 30, 2015 8:03 pm

    “Say something about Abbott, TomR…and conquer ToSY’s incredulence with irrefutable logic!”

    Fuck off team.

  184. January 30, 2015 8:06 pm

    “Yes, he’s unleashed his inner leftoid.’

    Or, this?

    *you won’t read it…

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/29/rupert-murdochs-twitter-feed-editorial

  185. January 30, 2015 8:07 pm

    “Fuck off team.”

    What a strange diversion, calculated to steer clear of things TomR may well have been correct about. 😉

  186. January 30, 2015 8:08 pm

    I am not ‘team’.

    Where did I ever blame everything on Murdoch conspiracies?

  187. January 30, 2015 8:08 pm

    “Fuck off team”

    That’s not very nice is it.

  188. January 30, 2015 8:09 pm

    “What a strange diversion”

    Not really. You two cheering each other on is quite pathetic.

  189. January 30, 2015 8:10 pm

    “That’s not very nice is it.”

    No, it isn’t.

  190. January 30, 2015 8:11 pm

    If I join in will that make three of us?

  191. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:11 pm

    Should we start on the GBR ROFL

    snactysmates ™

    Still wanna dispute the fire rate tosy? Snappy lines aren’t facts(imo)

  192. January 30, 2015 8:12 pm

    “Say something about Abbott, TomR…and conquer ToSY’s incredulence with irrefutable logic!”

    I can see how that may be misread as condescending. It wasn’t supposed to be.
    All I meant was, instead of retracing ‘contentious’ things (pink batts etc), it would be simpler to deride Abbott’s clear miscalculations to prove that TomR isn’t always wrong. 🙂

  193. January 30, 2015 8:12 pm

    Maybe you could remind us of what a good job Tony Abbott and his team are doing then instead ToSY?

  194. January 30, 2015 8:13 pm

    Sorry I mean “Captain Tony”..

  195. January 30, 2015 8:13 pm

    “You two cheering each other on is quite pathetic.’

    Must be in the eye of the beholder, coz that was never my intention.

  196. January 30, 2015 8:14 pm

    That whole Captain shit today is laughable. Another Abbott own goal.

    He can’t concede, so he wilfully neglects the First Rule Of Holes…

  197. January 30, 2015 8:15 pm

    ‘Sorry I mean “Captain Tony”..’

    O Captain! My Captain!

  198. January 30, 2015 8:17 pm

    Dead Abbott’s Society…

  199. January 30, 2015 8:17 pm

    Captain Tony enjoys a bite to eat on the campaign trail today with all his friends and supporters…

  200. January 30, 2015 8:22 pm

    Snigger…he’s not even a ranga!

  201. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:23 pm

    If I join in will that make three of us?

    You working on some kind of weird Human Centipede reb 😉

    You two cheering each other on is quite pathetic.

    ……..

    I think splatterbottom nailed it with his description of Peter Garrett as a Celebrity Arsonist.

    yaaays 😯 ROFL

  202. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:25 pm

    Must be in the eye of the beholder, coz that was never my intention.

    but, but … Captain My Captain! 🙂

  203. January 30, 2015 8:27 pm

    #bat

    #ball

    #gonehome

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:35 pm

    Sorry, I’d love to be a ‘lukewarmer’ …

    … But, in scientists defence, I wasn’t relying on their expertise in those cases

    Said like a catlik … talking about his/her priest ?… what are you relying on, TR? Your faith?

    I remain agnostic … my emphasis is on renewable/alternative energy … if a CC/GW occurs through human or cosmic interference … Earth seems to have fended for itself pretty well over millennium …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think splatterbottom nailed it with his description of Peter Garrett as a Celebrity Arsonist.

    Shifty answer … ’cause it doesn’t actually answer the QUESTION … have you ever answered a question here? (BTW you may -or not – recall that I was a Peter Garrett critic from the day he was recruited by Rudd!)

    PS? Or what!

    Not really. You two cheering each other on is quite pathetic.

    And I’m not in anybody’s fkn team either … but you just obfuscate intelligent discussion* … is Kneel related?

    Has it ever dawned on you that even people who regularly agree on topics/subjects occasionally disagree …

    * And that fucks people off ’cause we know you are intelligent … your smart arse comments are patronising to say the least! Yes! Grrrr … crucifixion went out of fashion centuries ago …

  205. January 30, 2015 8:37 pm

    #ToSYGoneSulky

  206. January 30, 2015 8:46 pm

    I’m not sorry, but I’ve got something else on at the moment.

    #MooneeValley

  207. January 30, 2015 9:13 pm

    #iluvtosy

    #realpersonwithwellconstructedarguments

  208. January 30, 2015 9:13 pm

    #bitemeessendon

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2015 9:33 pm

    I like ToSY! 2 Epic frustration …

  210. January 30, 2015 9:48 pm

    I find myself thinking a line between him & you, TB…

    coz dats how I roll?

  211. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2015 8:31 am

    what are you relying on, TR?

    The scientific method TB. It has got us this far. It is others, yourself included it appears, who appear to be relying on faith (“Earth seems to have fended for itself “)? Lets hope so hey, even though the scientists point out that it hasn’t (you know, the climate has changed before, but much to the detriment of life on earth at those times).

    I do not understand the finer details of all there is to understand. All I know is, the vast majority of scientists, who are constantly looking, refining, accepting their mistakes (yes, they are made) and going back again to look at it from fresh angels, are consistently coming to the same conclusion.

    On the other hand, that tiny band of scientists who are not convinced (along with a huge coterie of “like minded” individuals) suffer an appalling legacy of mistakes (which they refuse to acknowledge) and outright lies. As I mentioned above, I am yet to have come across a convincing argument against the science that is not full of lies and/or mistakes.

    So I’ll stick with facts, as I did with Pink Batts and School Halls.

    Unfortunately, I do sometimes go with my gut, like I did with rudd. The facts in that case showed my gut to be wrong 😦

    But, I also went with my gut with Gillard. My gut turned out to be right there, much to the chagrin of the newscorpse empire and other random haterz of rangas and Union “collaborators”

    I’m going with my gut with Shorten. I guess you see a pattern forming 😉

    I can live with that though 😉

  212. January 31, 2015 8:50 am

    Ya`gut could be quite wrong this time. You see the problem with blib is his history with misplace knives `and` he doesn`t even have a `team`. You should know how important that is!

  213. January 31, 2015 9:01 am

    “”he doesn`t even have a `team`. You should know how important that is!””

    Precisely. How can you be a good captain if you don’t have a team? And without a good captain the team is essentially nothing.

  214. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2015 9:18 am

    ` he doesn`t even have a `team`

    I’d have thought he’d have got bonus points from a teambagger for that one 😉

  215. January 31, 2015 9:28 am

    When””the team is essentially nothing””it is also important the captain is essentially nothing too! lt is also important that challenges of essentially nothing are made by deputy`s of essentially nothing, and nbn-minister`s of essentially nothing, when maintaining a team that is essentially nothing.

  216. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2015 9:29 am

    Again, for the slow, a show about “nothing” (or is it “Eyes wide Shut?)

    http://billshorten.com.au/category/speeches

  217. January 31, 2015 10:16 am

    Blib really needs to stop doing those and remain quiet. Blib really shouldn`t do anything in case the membership or public remember he is not Albo. #shh-blib

  218. January 31, 2015 10:46 am

    Interesting article in the Age this morning suggesting that given that Bishop and Turnbull are unlikely to challenge (at this stage), a “suicide bomber” could be deployed to mount a challenge to bring a spill on…

    “”a fourth Coalition MP warned backbench anger could ignite in the event of a worse-than-expected result in the Queensland state election and even suggested a backbench “suicide bomber” could emerge to challenge Mr Abbott, in the same way the Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews, challenged Mr Turnbull in 2009 despite having little chance of winning.””

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-and-bishop-approached-to-take-leadership-as-senior-ministers-rally-support-for-the-pm-20150130-132baq.html

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2015 10:49 am

    The scientific method TB. It has got us this far. It is others, yourself included it appears, who appear to be relying on faith

    The scientific method that had scientist betting on whether they’d ignite the atmosphere at the first atomic test?

    Scientists are people … and … quite frankly … I do have more faith in the Earth’s abilities to survive than a bunch of human scientists …

    Our mock orange blossoming is a more accurate method of telling us when it will rain than the fkn weather bureau …

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 31, 2015 12:57 pm

    I’m going with my gut with Shorten. I guess you see a pattern forming 😉
    I can live with that though

    My preference is albo, I think he might have taken labor closer to the electorate, been more in touch with people, even though he’s a private school boy cathlick, but then, so is shorten [jesuit educated, like abbott]. Says a lot about the disproportionate voter representation in this country.

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 31, 2015 1:06 pm

    And the dumping/shelving of abbott’s sleeping PPL was always going to happen, he just found a way to make it look acceptable and save face [now listening to the MP’s].
    Abbott hasn’t changed one bit from the aggression and violence of his student politics days, he can’t and won’t, “in your guts, you know he’s nuts”

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2015 1:13 pm

    Agree, KL, way too much catlik influence …

    Speaking of catliks …

    I had a whisper yesterday evening that my mother’s name may still be on the election roll … she passed away in 2011 (good innings tho’ at 89) …

    Checked this morning and sure enough, she was still on the roll … both my parents were WWII vets and so received their pension from DVA …

    Some of you may remember that my sister was deceitful and lied to me and cheated my kids with regard to my mother’ will …

    I just dropped the seed this morning …

    Karma?

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2015 1:15 pm

    Agree, KL, you’ve only got to look back at The Abbott’s life history … he ain’t changing … walks and talks like an alpha gorilla …

  224. January 31, 2015 5:29 pm

    And as if almost on cue…

    “”Former Howard government cabinet minister Mal Brough is being urged by his colleagues to challenge Tony Abbott for the prime ministership if Saturday’s election result in his home state of Queensland is as bad as many MPs fear.””

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mal-brough-urged-to-challenge-tony-abbott-for-leadership-20150131-132rfe.html

  225. January 31, 2015 5:30 pm

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2015 6:12 pm

    ha ha sreb just wacked up the same story from news.com.au on the Tony Abbott thread …

    The Gutter Trash —- we give you full coverage of breaking news stories here in Australia and from around the world —- eight days a week 26 hours a day!

    (Said with a deep, male, American accented voiceover of course!) 🙂

  227. January 31, 2015 6:18 pm

    James Earl Jones?

  228. January 31, 2015 8:27 pm

    l like this bit reb,

    ””””””Mr Turnbull has told colleagues that when he decided in 2010 to remain in Parliament he made a serious undertaking not to damage Mr Abbott, the man who tore him down as leader, in any way. He has remained firm in that decision, his colleagues said.””””””””””

    #Mr-Talkbull has lent his arse and credibility to mr-rabbits copper-class node-network and knows damn well the nbn-nerds will shred him for all the lies he has told if he tries to be leader/pm. Mr-Talkbull would also know there is not enough swooning Lefty`support from leather-jacket appearances on qandaland to overcome the nbn-rage he would face. #spent.force

  229. February 1, 2015 7:35 pm

    Trains are so crowded in India, sometimes you just have to ride on the roof.

  230. February 1, 2015 7:38 pm

    (I meant to say, don’t look if you’re squeamish.)

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2015 7:45 pm

    Have you noticed how many things are controlled by “the next business day” or “within five business days” …

    And yet businesses don’t want to pay penalty rates to those who don’t work on “business days” …

    I do wish “businesses” would be consistent … along with their LNP friends …

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2015 8:32 pm

    Go Andy!

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2015 8:44 pm

    Go Freddy!

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2015 8:56 pm

    Andy seems to have a nice, loyal girlfriend!

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2015 9:55 pm

    I’ve just come into the office … after watching some of the tennis, ToM … those bloody commentators are mind bending with the mundane crap they talk … eg re: Boris Becker – “he knows about serving … ” ya reckon?

    Boring as shite … and your Andy seems to whining .. at the moment … and that’s not a misspelling … I can see him now as a nine year old in the playground …

    His grunting has a Scottish accent too … “och aye” listen closely … 🙂

    I was a big fan in the sixties, seventies, eighties – even played every week … but it just got boring … thwack – thwack …

    Confession … tennis elbow didn’t help …

  236. February 3, 2015 9:31 pm

    This man should be killed. He disagrees with Teh Consensus!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2934540/What-happens-dare-doubt-Green-prophets-doom.html#ixzz3QZFNPlKG

  237. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:14 am

    So, why was the Jordanian pilot burned alive?

    It seems that Islam has a version of the lex talionis – an eye for an eye. Under this rule, called qisas, the punishment should by similar means to the crime. In this case the pilot was burned alive and then had rubble piled on his remains just as victims of a bombing would be burned and crushed by rubble.

    There is an interesting discussion of whether burning people is ever permitted under sharia law.

    The Jordanian response of killing ISIS prisoners seems also to be an application of the principle of qisas.

    As a side issue, this article shows how the Koran overrides inconsistent legislation in Pakistan, so that the doctrine of qisas is incorporated into Pakistani law.

    In that case the concern is that because the doctrine allows punishment to be avoided if the family of the killer pays compensation and the family of the deceased accepts and forgives the killer. Thus the law allows the wealthy to get away with murder.

    The bottom line is that ISIS can’t be said to be “unislamic” in this case, rather they have a different interpretation of Islam to many other Muslims. Western politicians who piously proclaim that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam are, at best, ignorant. If they don’t understand the problem they will not be able to deal with it effectively.

  238. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:20 am

    If they don’t understand the problem they will not be able to deal with it effectively.

    I AGREE!

    And, while Islam is one of the outward manifestations (and the channel by which these extreme actions are filtered) the ROOT cause lies elsewhere, imo.

  239. February 5, 2015 9:53 am

    lt`s the same old problem that has existed since apex predator primates tumbled out of the tree-tops. Haven`t advanced `psychologically`/can`t overcome primitive violent urges. When the chips are down, ultimately, we still go and get a bigger `club` to beat the other primate to death or into submission. When `our` primates can`t `club` `their` primates, `our` primates then turn on weaker primates in `our` group. So does `their` primates. And of course `all` primates claim that their `violence` is better or more ethical than the other primates violence. #teaPrimates

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 10:33 am

    “Root Cause”, they way it is thrown about in debate these days, is a vague term.

    If we are trying to understand why people choose to do certain things we should probably start with what they say. Then we should see if that holds up in terms of what they stand to gain – follow the money or look to the power they seek.

    However, many people seek explanations of human action not in terms of choices they make but in terms of social structures, colonialism, and stuff like that. “white privilege” is the newest idiotic buzzword. This sort of thing may be a factor, I suppose, but it seems to me that it also denies agency to the terrorists.

    A lot of this is reflected in underlying debates about free will and the perfectibility of humans. For one side the answer is to get the social structure right and people will be happy and good maybe even so good that the state will wither away as in Marxist theory for example. My view is that the world is what it is, individuals have to deal with it and they are responsible for their own actions.

    If you try to figure out why middle class Australians go to join the ISIS jihad, poverty, oppression and colonialism would be fairly low on the list.

    If you turn this thinking into policy prescriptions that doesn’t seem to work out too well either. Pressing the rest button with Russia hasn’t helped much. Nor will the current negotiations with Iran, I suspect. Nor will Obama’s concessions to Cuba help the lot of the Cuban people.

    Historically, it is argued that the Treaty of Versailles was a root cause of the rise of Hitler. Another view was that WWII was a continuation of WWI because German chauvinism was not crushed in WWI. I would say that WWII was not inevitable and that appeasement of Hitler had a lot to do with it. And none of this explains why the Germans murdered so many Jews and Gypsies.

    I see the religious desire for the implementation of a Caliphate as being a little like German chauvinism. Instead of getting with the program as much of East Asia has, Middle Eastern Muslims blame the economic backwardness of the region on external factors and on their departure from the Islamic tradition. The culture of the region is also rancid with Jew-hatred. This explains the recent attacks in Paris one too avenge the insult to their religion and the other to murder a few Jews.

  241. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:33 am

    Middle Eastern Muslims blame the economic backwardness of the region on external factors

    You don’t think that they have a case to argue?

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:53 am

    “You don’t think that they have a case to argue?”

    I do think they have a point. The problem is that it does not lead to a solution. It leads instead to anger and fatalism neither of which will help anything.

    The same point has applied to many countries at some stage of their development. Those that have improved their lot are those who have moved in the direction of market economics and, in many cases, democracy.

    Compare India and Pakistan or look at the employment stats for Indians and Pakistanis in the UK. Indians have a lower unemployment rate than any other group including Anglos. Pakistanis have the highest. The difference isn’t race. It is religion.

    This is the trouble with buying into the victim narrative. In this case if all your trouble are attributed to the Great Satan and the Little Satan and you direct all your efforts to fighting them then things aren’t going to improve.

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:11 pm

    Good news on the “Net Neutrality” front.

    The FCC has announced it is going to regulate to enforce net neutrality. This means that corporations will not be able to buy a “fast lane” for their product, relegating other traffic to slower speeds. In effect it has stopped the internet being privatised.

    This is an example of regulation operating to make markets work better. The only real opponents were corporations interested in using their financial muscle to keep out competitors and ISPs who stand to profit by charging content providers for priority data transmission. And some conservative activists and politicians like Ted Cruze.

    Interestingly, conservative voters are as against internet fast lanes as liberals. It is the corporations, some politicians and shills that are opposing net neutrality.

  244. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 8:29 am

    Sorry for my delay in responding sb. I did read this soon after you posted it yesterday, but have been too distracted elsewhere since. And your posts were very good, and required some reading and assimilating. I also say that I do agree with a lot, but will highlight where I diverge.

    individuals have to deal with it and they are responsible for their own actions.

    I agree, and that, imo, is the ‘root cause’. The middle east has been the puppet of external factors for most of it’s recent history. Before that, they were a civilization trying to recover from almost total annihilation. Many historians argue that the area never recovered from the Mongol invasion until the 20th Century. But, by the time they were recovering, external forces had their eyes on the region. Who knows how Iraq would have developed had not external forces attempted to control outcomes there that suited them best. I see those images of Baghdad in the 50’s, and you wonder just how it could have all gone so bad. Then you note the machinations external forces have had on internal politics, and things start to come clearer. If the Middle East had not returned only so recently back into the civilized world, they may have better handled or better repelled.

    If you try to figure out why middle class Australians go to join the ISIS jihad, poverty, oppression and colonialism would be fairly low on the list.

    Undoubtedly. But, these are ‘pawns’ in these events, who I think both sides in this struggle have manipulated through both their youth and religiousness to garner the outcome they require. In daesh’s case, an army of radicals to do their dirty work, and, in our grubmints case, a new ‘enemy’ for us to focus on and allow them to get their draconian laws through.

    it is argued that the Treaty of Versailles was a root cause of the rise of Hitler.

    It is hard to argue against that, but it needs to be taken into context that the Great War itself also moulded what once once a very liberal persona into something very different. The treatment of the Germans after the war would also play it part.

    I would say that WWII was not inevitable

    Of course it wasn’t. But, without The Great War, it is most likely there would not have been a WWII.

    Instead of getting with the program as much of East Asia has, Middle Eastern Muslims blame the economic backwardness of the region on external factors and on their departure from the Islamic tradition.

    But the Middle East has a far different history of external conflict than East Asia has. At least after the Mongol invasions, East Asia (largely because of these very same invasions) was able to rebuild. The Middle East was offered no such luxury, not entirely due to external forces it must be added, but none the less, for hundreds of years (and even now) it was fractured by strife, and external players had much to do with that.

    The culture of the region is also rancid with Jew-hatred.

    The culture of the Jews is rancid with Gentile hatred also. Religions, imo, are an incubator for hatreds, especially when another ‘root cause’ creates them. I think that the religion is the magnifying glass that compounds the hatreds. It is not the reason, simply the avenue. Although, when I say ‘simply’, the religion MUST take on some of the responsibility, and the Moslem faith is no different in this respect, and to date has been reluctant to do. But, so it has been with many other religions.

    So I don’t abdicate the religion from a portion of the blame (large or small, it is still there). My point is, the root cause lies elsewhere. And, of course, human greed is right there, as it always has been.

    It leads instead to anger and fatalism

    Or more precisely, it HAS lead.

    This is the trouble with buying into the victim narrative.

    Labelling the “victim narrative” is akin to the “white privilege” you revile from above. I don’t have a problem with either term, they both exist, interesting that you use one to try and fob of the truth of its existence, while dismissing the other as a fiction. Calling it something does not mean it does or does not exist, or is not relevant.

    They are both “buzzwords” (buzz phrases?) And they are both real.

    Acknowledging one is not akin to “buying into” one though.

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 6, 2015 9:34 am

    Tom R, I am still trying to work the whole thing out. The disagreements we have are more about weighting the various factors. Don’t be surprised if I change my views. My approach is to say what I think on the day and not worry to much if it is inconsistent with what I believed before or what I say the next day.

    I think it is worse to choose a side and get locked in. And this is a danger of getting older. Some would say that is because you learn from experience and others that you are less open to new ideas.

    Anyway, I learn by getting involved in a discussion, arguing hard for a particular view and then thinking about the points raised.

    I have only two minor comments on your last:

    “The culture of the Jews is rancid with Gentile hatred also.”

    The difference in degree is so vast as to make your comment laughable. I really don’t want to waste time going chapter and verse on this emotive issue. But I will if you really want me to.

    I would also note that one of the main external factors in the Middle East was the Ottoman Empire which gained control of much of the area starting in the fourteenth century and taking Egypt in the early sixteenth century. Colonialism is much more than a Western phenomenon.

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 6, 2015 9:54 am

    Gunning for love in all the wrong places:

    The former detective sergeant then had sex with the woman and used his Glock pistol as a sex toy during their intimate encounter.

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 10:30 am

    Instead of getting with the program as much of East Asia has

    What … exactly … is “the program”? Westernisation?

    If so ..

    This could be argued … North and South Korea are still, officially, at war, Vietnam still suffers almost 200 years of invasion the last in The American War, China and Taiwan are still in a Cold War … China still has hatred for pre and post atrocities by Japan …

    I see Jordan has fired up!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:11 am

    Waves of revulsion over the killing washed across the Middle East, a region long accustomed to violence. In mosques, streets and coffee shops, Muslims denounced the militants’ brutality and distanced themselves from Islamic extremists.

    Even a prominent preacher with close links to jihadi groups said Islamic State militants miscalculated if they hoped the images of the pilot’s agony would galvanise greater opposition to a US led military coalition that has been bombing targets of the group.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:29 am

    “What … exactly … is “the program”? Westernisation?”

    The program is the intellectual curiosity to look at what works for other countries and, if you aspire to the same material prosperity, borrow and adapt ideas which will lead to that.

    Of course this is not “Westernisation” per se. Those countries that borrowed really dumb Western ideas, like the Marxism expounded by leftist extremists, did not improve the lot of their people. That explains why the people of China were exterminated on a mass scale, why North Korea is such a mess and why Vietnam is a totalitarian economic basket case.

    The spread of market economics in Europe happened at different times as different countries caught on.

    None of this is to say that any country has to abandon their culture. Cultures are never static. They are always changing. The question for each is how much they value material progress and how they should go about attaining it.

    This debate has been happening within the West for some time now – I think that is what you are getting at with “live in a society/survive in an economy” false dichotomy. Really it is about the relative weight put on material benefits, their distribution and other social benefits. My view (and probably yours) is that a balance needs to be achieved so that the economy can fund the society.

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:35 am

    My view (and probably yours) is that a balance needs to be achieved so that the economy can fund the society.

    True … rather than the other way around which the minority Robber Barons see …

    It all revolves around fairness … pity human nature gets in the way … no matter what system is in play … including our own in Australia …

  251. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 12:00 pm

    The difference in degree is so vast as to make your comment laughable.

    No need to go into the issue, I just wanted to point out that the hatred goes both ways. It is not a one way street although, at the current stage in history, I am sure the hatred towards Jews is higher than the Jews hatred.

    Colonialism is much more than a Western phenomenon.

    Which is why I (think) I have started using ‘external’ forces rather than ‘Western’, although, in the 20th century (where imo the ‘root’ cause of the present situation lies) western influence is the key.

    Perhaps I should also clarify what I mean by ‘root’. As you have pointed out, there are many factors that could/can be placed as ‘root’. Too me, in the current historical framework, the ‘root’ cause is a cause we have some kind of control over. We can ‘blame’ the Ottomans, the Crusaders or the Mongols till the sun goes down, but, they are long gone, and their influence is all that remains. But, we have the power now to stop (or help heal) the interference and divisiveness that current (or recent 20th century) Western Imperialism has inflicted on the region. To my mind, a lot of the divisiveness that is manifesting is the result of these external factors playing already divided (eg Sunni and Shiite) factions of against each other.

    I recently listened to pod where it was argued that the War on Terror was a defensive war, in the respect that it is a reactionary action, and that was why it would ultimately fail. The argument was that the War should take on the role of the aggressor, but not through military action, but with dialogue. The starting point would be to get ALL sides together to put their grievances, and from there… that was the point, get everyone together. And that would include the radicals such as daesh.

    I don’t know if this approach will produce a different outcome, but, in my mind, is far better than a continuation of the current cycle. At least it tackles it from another direction.

    And again, I will re-iterate, the various faiths, the Moslem one most importantly, need to play their part also in this dialogue

  252. February 6, 2015 7:23 pm

    Concise movie review:

    American Sniper

    Texan goes to Iraq and kills 160 bad guys.

    The End.

  253. February 6, 2015 7:29 pm

    Shorter: Texan in Iraq, 160 enemy kills.

  254. February 6, 2015 7:31 pm

    Shortest: Kyle kills 160.

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 7:34 pm

    ToSY, you may notice that I didn’t review the film …

    Have you watched The Monuments Men? Watched it last night …

  256. February 6, 2015 7:35 pm

    “Have you watched The Monuments Men?”

    Not yet. Give us a review. (Or have you already?)

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 8:05 pm

    No … but I’ll do it tomorrow …

    I agree with your Sniper review BTW … B grade at best …

  258. February 6, 2015 8:18 pm

    “Concise movie review:

    American Sniper

    Texan goes to Iraq and kills 160 bad guys.

    The End.”

    I did read the ‘autobiography’ before Kyle was killed by one of the homegrown terrorised. It was interesting. It seemed like a fairly frank accountance.
    Since the advent of the utter hollywoodisation movie, parts of the veracity of the book are in contention.
    The movie really did turn it into a ‘screenplay’ with plenty of ‘narrative direction’ & a shitpile of ‘interpretation’.
    As for, Eddie Ray Routh, who has his own story. Well, wouldn’t wanna be him. Likely to join Chan & Sukamaran & the legion others still killed by The State.

  259. February 6, 2015 9:00 pm

    Thanks ToSY. Another movie I don’t need to see…

  260. February 7, 2015 7:05 pm

    “Good news on the “Net Neutrality” front.

    The FCC has announced it is going to regulate to enforce net neutrality. This means that corporations will not be able to buy a “fast lane” for their product, relegating other traffic to slower speeds. In effect it has stopped the internet being privatised.”

    That is indeed excellent news, which I must have missed.

  261. February 8, 2015 7:30 pm

    Indeed.

    What I was looking for, or thereabouts…

  262. February 8, 2015 8:17 pm

    ””””””Yet every day, an estimated 20 American veterans kill themselves.”””’

    #l would love to see where they got that from, they didn`t link it, seems a bit high, estimates l`ve heard previously has been in the 13-to-16 range, from docos.

    +

    ””””””A government study from 2009 found that on any given night around 76,000 former service members were sleeping on the streets. http://www.greendoors.org/facts/veteran-homelessness.php ”””””””””””’

    #heads-up TB #yeah we keep `following` teh-usa into their fcuking disasters, and ignore the fact that they refuse to look after their veterans properly. l knew plenty of them were coming back from battlefields and end-up eating their gun after not being able to return to `normal` life, and teh-usa govt refuse to count them as `war-dead` to make their `dead-list` numbers look better.

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 9, 2015 9:24 am

    “Perhaps I should also clarify what I mean by ‘root’. “

    We should probably leave out “root cause” terminology and focus on what we can do now. Talking is not likely, in my view, to achieve much. It doesn’t work against unshakeable ideology. Taking defensive missiles out of the Czech Republic and Poland and “pressing the re-set button” with Russia did not work, no amount of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks have worked, talking to Hitler before or Stalin after WWII worked. Talking to the Serbs did not work. Talking to the North Koreans has not worked and Talking to the Iranians has not worked.

    The problem is that certain ideas – especially nationalist and religious ideas – that hold an infinite value to a group. There is nothing that can be traded for them. The only way the Germans and Japanese gave up their ambitions was by complete destruction. Same with the Serbs. Communism died under the weight of its own failure because even its leaders eased to believe in it.

    As to the righting of the past wrongs of Western colonialism, the status quo ante cannot be restored. I don’t know what can be done. I can’t see anything much that would be effective. Obama’s pro-Islamist foreign policy hasn’t achieved much. It has probably done more harm than good. Massive aid won’t help any more than massive oil revenues have helped.

    Going into Iraq was a bad idea, but having gone there the best that could be done was to try to give the people a say. In the end that has not worked because of the Sunni/Shia divide and the fact that diehard jihadists made it unworkable.

    I’m not sure that there is the will to go all out to defeat the jihadists. Even if there was the will, the cost would be horrendous. It is not clear that a state can defeat committed insurgents. Sri Lanka is about the only recent success but it had to use questionable methods to get there. The Israelis have survived so far, but I doubt Israel will exist in 20 years time. And, for reasons which are completely beyond me, they are maligned every time they try to defend themselves.

    So there you have it. I don’t have any solutions. I guess it will take something like the fall of Pakistan to jihadists, the nuking of Israel or serious disruption of a European state before there is anything like the collective will to consider fighting, the cost of which will be catastrophic.

    In the meantime we should try diplomacy as you have suggested, but the signs are not good. The negotiations with Iran look like a failed attempt to manage the fact of Iran acquiring nukes. Promises not to use them are worthless.

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 9, 2015 9:30 am

    I enjoyed American Sniper. I particularly enjoyed that the story was told from a point of view that seems so alien to the intellectual elite. The idiot MSNBC reporter who described it as movie about a racist who went on a killing spree encapsulates how disorienting the movie is to the chattering classes. It does their heads in to have a story presented from a different perspective – that of the ordinary decent citizen.

  265. Tom R permalink
    February 9, 2015 9:43 am

    In the meantime we should try diplomacy as you have suggested, but the signs are not good.

    No, the signs are not good because, if becomes a talkfest, it will be with everyone trying to get the best for themselves, not the best for the region.

    But, imo, giving it a go is worth it. It has worked in the past, as many times as it has failed.

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2015 8:50 am

    Wankers of the world unite:

    There is an instinctive bond between Guardian readers – we almost nod to one another as we read the paper on a train.

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:21 am

    http://www.news.com.au/national/ballina-fatal-shark-attack-man-dies-after-being-taken-at-shelly-beach/story-fncynjr2-1227212861849

    MONSTER sharks are prowling the north coast unrestricted with marine parks, whale migration, schools of bait fish and a lack of shark nets luring them closer to shore.
    The death of Ballina surfer Tadashi Nakahara yesterday — the second fatal attack on the north coast in five months — was beamed around the world on the live stream of the Coastalwatch website, which features cameras at many of Australia’s top surf spots.

    The number of people being killed by sharks is getting to a level that is concerning.

  268. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:33 am

    MONSTER sharks are prowling the north coast unrestricted with marine parks, whale migration, schools of bait fish and a lack of shark nets luring them closer to shore.

    They just can’t help themselves, can they.

    I can just see those non existent shark nets flashing their non existent legs and coaxing the sharks in. Add to that the allure of a Marine Park and all it’s free rides …….

    Or it could be simply the result of more sharks and more people, which the article finally gets to?

  269. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:40 am

    Clearly they’ve got it wrong. Like all bad things shark attacks are caused by global warming.

  270. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:44 am

    Like all bad things shark attacks are caused by global warming.

    I’m surprised they didn’t work that into their blame game actually sb.

    I’m not sure how Marine Parks get in there, because, as we know, Marine Parks have killed fishing, and fishing lures sharks in. Logic bomb there. After the ‘lure’ of non existent nets ROFL

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:45 am

    ”Grumpy old bloke tumbles off wave and is eaten by shark. The shark dies of indigestion”

    When you see that news report, you’ll understand why I’ve stopped posting.

  272. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:49 am

    Unless the shark has Wifi

    Jonah of Melbourne (or vicinities)

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:54 am

    Seems driven by a desire to bash the Greenies (not that there is anything wrong with that). But it is possible that fishing attracts sharks because fishing boats hang out where fish are and they also put fish entrails in the water. Banning fishing also means more fish in a given place. Either way your smart shark will go where the food is. Surfer sashimi is a bonus for them. Not sure about the nets though.

  274. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2015 9:59 am

    I resolved to challenge myself with some ocean swimming this year. And then that woman got eaten at Tathra. I am now content with my local pool. But I still worry about sharks hiding at the deep end.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2015 10:14 am

    I go to Byron Bay quite regularly (I think it’s my favourite town on the coast), “The Wreck” is a popular, safe break. A couple of years ago I watched about 10 young kids had to scramble onto the wreck to avoid a BIG shark.

    I’m not really persuaded by the “we’re entering their territory” argument. I think the beach and water is our territory too.

  276. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2015 10:21 am

    I think the beach and water is our territory too.

    Yes, but we are “supposedly” the smart ones. Time for you to develop a shark repellent that actually works 😉

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2015 10:28 am

    Most surfers would probably prefer to be eaten.

  278. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2015 10:34 am

    Most surfers would probably prefer to be eaten

    Stupidity does have it’s role to play also

  279. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2015 11:04 am

    Amazing! A man desperate for a Darwin Award.

  280. February 11, 2015 8:36 pm

    Wow! I just watched a really great documentary about the modern face of homeless job seekers in the US.. “The Overnighters”

    four stars from me…

  281. February 12, 2015 1:39 am

    Just watched Top of the Lake.. Jane Campions 2013 Mini series shot in NZ by Aussie Cinematographer Adam Apacasek Wow stunning stuff….

  282. February 13, 2015 8:34 pm

    so splatter, did it cure`ya #pedo-cure 🙂

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 16, 2015 6:37 pm

    More snouts in the trough:

    POLITICIANS elected since 2006 stand to gain a windfall of hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement payments if Jay Weatherill gets his way and revives the old parliamentary superannuation scheme that was abolished a decade ago because it was seen as too generous.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 6:59 pm

    The Premier said he understood it would be an unpopular move but to attract better quality candidates and limit the temptation of corruption then it was important to improve politicians pay and conditions.

    Mr Weatherill said political life involved many sacrifices and limited a person’s job opportunities in later life …

    “I have seen colleagues spend the best years of their lives trying to get into parliament, spending a lot of their money, trying to campaign and get elected for a couple of terms and get flung out, middle aged with very few job prospects. I just think there is something inherently unfair about it.’’

    And they wonder why we laugh at them … I know what is fkn unfair!

  285. February 16, 2015 7:05 pm

    “”and get flung out, middle aged with very few job prospects. “”

    Maybe that’s because they’re such detestable unemployable fkn cnuts in the first place…!

    Look at Christopher Pyne and Tony Abbott for instance. They’d be considered completely un employable in the private sector.

    Why on dog’s earth they’re considered employable in the public sector is beyond me.

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:13 pm

    What do you think Wayne Swan would do outside politics?

    He’d be a Deputy Supervisor (Class 4) in the Department of Administrative Services and Taxpayer Suppression

  287. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:19 pm

    …and I note Evan Walker died today. He was another ALP politician who wouldn’t get anywhere near preselection these days.

    He was an intelligent, worldly architect, interested in all the factional crap.

  288. February 16, 2015 7:21 pm

    That’s all very well ToM, but do you have a view on Unions….?

  289. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:22 pm

    Maybe that’s because they’re such detestable unemployable fkn cnuts in the first place…!

    Actually, they seem to be the ones we end up voting for 😦

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:25 pm

    uninterested in all the factional crap.

  291. February 16, 2015 7:27 pm

    “I drink tea but prefer coffee …”

    I’ve actually found that I’m gradually losing an interest in coffee.

    Once, it was compulsory before I left home in the morning, again as soon as I arrived at work, another by 10:00am, a fourth by lunch and another in the mid-afternoon.

    These days I might have just one or two a week.

    The same thing happened when I gave up cigarettes. It didn’t really require much effort. I simply lost interest.

    Mind you all these coincide with a new found passion for crystal meth, which is both fun for the whole family and an excellent weight loss program.

  292. February 16, 2015 7:28 pm

    My pet hate is lobbyists …the last bastion of the unemployable polly.. phone call making corruptor.

  293. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:31 pm

    and an excellent weight loss program.

    crystal what? I might have to look into this wonder cure.

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 8:50 pm

    Mind you all these coincide with a new found passion for crystal meth, which is both fun for the whole family and an excellent weight loss program.

    Keep checking the mirror, sreb … every ten minutes would be good …

    I got rid of my Kogan add coffee beans and water, push the button coffe maker …

    A few weeks before Xmas I decided to pull it apart and give it a thorough clean … opened it up, looked inside, picked it up and dropped into the rubbish bin … ugh!

    I went looking for a cheap alternative … and bought one of these …

    Yeah, it uses pods (about .50c a cup) … simple, easy, CLEAN … cost me $217.00 delivered and $100 cash-back from DeLonghi … barrgin!

    DeLonghi had a deal a few weeks ago order 15 boxes of pods and get a free Mini Mi … so now I’ve got a spare upstairs … 🙂

    One cup a day … occasionally two …

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