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Tony Abbott and Prince Philip: beknighted and benighted

January 27, 2015

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The following article was written by Jon Passant…

 

“Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

~ Prometheus in The Masque of Pandora (1875) by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

 

The decision of Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott to make Prince Philip a knight is a masterstroke.

Like all royals, Philip is a parasite, a hangover from medieval times and the result of the incomplete English revolution. He is also racist, stupid, sexist, rude, idiotic and an elitist.

What a day too for the political genius Tony Abbott to announce yet another meaningless title for the man who has 33 of them already. Thirty three may be an overestimate. Or an underestimate.

Who’d bother counting when the list includes names like  Extraordinary Commander of the Order of Military Merit or Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom?

Not to mention Knight Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of the Queen of Sheba.

As Megan Levy notes in the Fairfax media:

“Among the more elaborate sounding decorations he has received are the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Condor of the Andes, from Bolivia; the Member of the Most Distinguished Order of Izzuddin, from the Maldives; the Knight of the Order of the Elephant, from Denmark; and from Ethiopia, the Knight Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of the Queen of Sheba.”

He has also been awarded the Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold by Belgium; and the Grand Cordon of the National Order of the Leopard by Zaire, which is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

So why not add Knight of the Order of Australia to the list of ridiculous titles?

Well, there are a number of reasons. One relates to Abbott’s political acumen or rather lack of it.

On Invasion Day (officially known as Australia Day)  ‘our’ Prime Minister recognises Prince Philip for, let me guess, his services to Aboriginal Australians among others.

Here is just one example of that caring sharing approach of the Parasite Prince.

He posed this question to Aboriginal leader William Brin during a visit to the Aboriginal Cultural Park in Queensland, 2002:

‘Do you still throw spears at each other?’

Yep, a totally appropriate award on this most racist of days.

Not only that but the knighthood, and the Englishness of its recipient, undermines the theme of ultra-patriotism and ‘Australianness’ the bourgeois have manufactured around Invasion Day in the last few decades as a distraction from their neoliberal attacks.

The gaffes of the Parasite Prince are well known. The Independent listed 90 of them on his 90th birthday.

Of course they aren’t gaffes. They reflect the bigoted, biased, blinkered views of the British (and Australian) elite about themselves and the rest of us, their ‘inferiors.’

Abbott, by appointing the parasite Prince as a knight of the order of Australia, also shows how he too is a member of the elite, out of touch with ordinary Australians who not only overwhelmingly want a Republic but also despise Philip.

Even his own side, people like Adam Giles, conservative Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, have ridiculed the knighthood, saying that it was Australia Day, ‘we’re not a bunch of tossers, let’s get it right.’

About the only people Abbott will keep happy with this are the Monarchists. They will be rattling their pearls and drinking their top shelf port or whisky to celebrate, all 3 of them.

Speaking of port, unlike Menzies, Abbott doesn’t drink port. So rather than becoming Lord of the Cinque Ports he is perhaps aiming to become Lord of the Sank Beers.

I think Abbott knows that politically he is a dead man walking and has decided to release his inner reactionary.

That may well explain the enquiry into workplace relations (code for bringing back the highly unpopular vote losing Work Choices) which at least most of the ruling class want.

But knighthoods, and one for Philistine Phil? Seriously?

No sensible member of the Australian ruling class sees that as in any way desirable or defensible and it destroys the ‘we are all in this Budget fixing together’ lie they are trying to promulgate.

This latest blunder, one of such magnitude, shows how isolated from and toxic to the public Abbott is and may see him soon rolled.

How much longer can the Liberals hang on to and with this buffoon? How much longer will the ruling class put up with their idiot?

Not much longer I suspect.

 

 

 

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247 Comments leave one →
  1. January 27, 2015 9:33 am

    If there was any remaining doubt that Abbott is bat shit crazy, then surely this latest announcement confirms it once and for all.

  2. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:40 am

    Well, that’s two Australia Day’s yabots made a mockery of now. Without Gillard to blame for this one, where will the blame lie now? 😯

    I’m guessing BillFixShorten for being a Republican 😉

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:58 am

    Anyone who suspected Abbott of being a f**kwit now has plenty of proof.

    Last year we had 2 knights / dames . Phil is hardly high on the list of distinguished Australians

    He is a f**kwit and he’s not even a benign one

  4. January 27, 2015 10:36 am

    You lot may well scoff, but in some parts Prince Philip is “”worshipped as a god” so in fact bestowing him with a knighthood could in fact be taken as an insult.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6734469.stm

  5. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:49 am

    ”worshipped as a god”

    Is yabot a true believer?

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:06 am

    This knighthood is a tribute from the apprentice to the master – Abbott’s gaffes backfire because they are just plain stupid. They lack the charm or even that hint of underlying truth HRH displays in the list linked above, such as this incisive question: “How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?” (Asked of a Scottish driving instructor in 1995)

  7. January 27, 2015 11:11 am

    lts all Joolya`s fault.

    lf Joolya had made us a republic, then there wouldn`t be all these hood-ornaments getting in the way making mr-rabbit look foolish.

    (shh blib, don`t say a word)

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:18 am

    Like all royals, Philip is a parasite, a hangover from medieval times and the result of the incomplete English revolution. He is also racist, stupid, sexist, rude, idiotic and an elitist.

    And … oddly enough … Greek … 🙄

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:25 am

    Well, that’s two Australia Day’s yabots made a mockery of now. Without Gillard to blame for this one, where will the blame lie now?

    Well, strangely enough, TR … news.com.au is still trying …

    Despite party room rumblings about Mr Abbott’s political choices, there is no real appetite for a change in leader.

    The Coalition is more than keen to learn the lessons of the Labor leadership soap opera that played out during its two terms in government.

    Big difference here is that the PEOPLE have had enough of Abbott … its not insider faction fighting …

    And if the Liberals do nothing about him they have condoned his actions … and will suffer the consequences … methinks, next Saturday in Queensland will say something …

    (If it was good enough for my managers and supervisors to be told they had to take action within 24 hours or they condoned something someone may have done its good enough for “adults” … )

  10. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 11:31 am

    (shh blib, don`t say a word)

    Too late, he already has 🙂

  11. January 27, 2015 11:32 am

    l am really starting to think mr-rabbit and his amazon-chief could really be the next-gen of the `Yes-Prime-Minister` series. l wonder if they could all calm down long enough at my abc to secure the `play-rights`.

  12. January 27, 2015 12:37 pm

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:12 pm

    Apparently that picture is of a funeral procession for his pregnant sister who died in a plane crash. Bit hard not to turn up to your sisters funeral.

    Apparently she married a Nazi.

    But Philip did serve in WW2 and fought the Nazi’s

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#Naval_and_wartime_service

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:32 pm

    And he was only 16 years old in 1937.

    I would think turning up to your sister funeral would be mandatory even if she did marry a Nazi.

  15. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 1:37 pm

    Is wikipedia graffiti too?

  16. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:03 pm

    Neil, Tom R is not interested in truth, only factoids – stock-in-trade of the Master Troll.

    Unlike John “97% stupid” Cook HRH didn’t disport himself in Nazi regalia.

  17. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:11 pm

    I think your graffiti is running there sb 😉

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:18 pm

    Some context for the picture

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#Education

    n 1937, his sister Cecilie, her husband (Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse), her two young sons and her mother-in-law were killed in an air crash at Ostend; Philip, then sixteen years old, attended the funeral in Darmstadt.”

  19. January 27, 2015 2:24 pm

    For Neil’s edification:

    “”The British Royal Family Supported Hitler and the Nazis””

    In 1937 the Duke and Duchess of Windsor visited Germany and met Adolf Hitler.

    Following the First World War, the royal family changed its name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor to distract attention from its German heritage.

    Family members of Prince Philip, who is from the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, were unabashed supporters of Hitler and the Nazis.

    Brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse, was a member of the SS. He piloted fighters that attacked allied troops in Italy.

    Several weeks before Germany invaded Poland King George VI and his wife, the late Queen Mother, sent Hitler a birthday greeting.

    “I never thought Hitler was such a bad chap,” said George’s brother, the former King Edward VIII, who became the Duke of Windsor after abdicating in 1936. Edward made this remark in 1970 when it was widely known that Hitler and the Nazis had directly and indirectly killed more than 40 million civilians and soldiers.

    The Nazis planned to install the Duke as leader after a successful conquest of Britain. The former head of British naval intelligence said Hitler “would soon be in this country, but that there was no reason to worry about it because he would bring the Duke of Windsor over as king.”

    Other royals were also connected to the Nazis. Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, the father of Princess Michael of Kent, was a party member and an honorary member of the SS. The brother of Princess Alice was a Nazi who claimed Hitler had done a “wonderful job.” Charles Edward was placed under house arrest after the war for his Nazi sympathies. He was sentenced by a denazification court, heavily fined and almost bankrupted.

    Much of the British gentry also held a fondness for Hitler and the Nazis. Lord Halifax was infatuated with Hitler and Sir Oswald Mosely served as the leader of the British Black Shirts.

    Montagu Norman, 1st Baron Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England from 1920 to 1944, was a close friend of the German Central Bank President Hjalmar Schacht. Schacht was an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party and served in the Nazi government as President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics. Norman played a key role in transferring Czechoslovakian gold to the Nazis in March 1939.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-british-royal-family-supported-hitler-and-the-nazis/5383589

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:33 pm

    Bit of a sidestep there Reb. The picture was Philip at his sisters funeral.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8557063/The-Duke-of-Edinburgh-at-90-a-tragic-childhood.html

    The funeral procession of Prince Philip’s sister Cecile and her husband George Donatus, through Darmstadt in 1937. Philip is pictured third from right. “

    The Nazi’s did get the economy back on track so they were admirable for some things. They also invented the Volkswagen.

    But i am not sure what your point is. The Nazi’s charmed a lot of people before people knew what they really stood for.

    However Philip fought the Nazi’s in the Royal Navy.

  21. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:38 pm

    The Nazi’s charmed a lot of people before people knew what they really stood for.

    Reminds me of another group that ‘charmed’ a lot of people before people knew what they really stood for just recently 😉

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:44 pm

    Yep

    Rydd/Gillard/swan charmed the pants off foolish Australians in 2007.

  23. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 2:45 pm

    Of course the biggest supporters of Nazis were their fellow socialists – until things got fratricidal in 1941.

  24. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:10 pm

    socialist graffiti?

  25. January 27, 2015 3:14 pm

    “And … oddly enough … Greek …”

    If he’s Greek then that makes you a pom.

  26. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:35 pm

    If he’s Greek then that makes you a pom.

    Ouch!

    Does that mean he’s up for kinightinthehood next year?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:37 pm

    If he’s Greek then that makes you a pom.

    Nah … I just lived in the wrong country for 12 years … and I chose to leave Pommieland (well my parents did) … Phillips lot were kicked out as I recall …

    But of course its not about me, ToSY … it about flam flam wankery by The Abbott bestowing pointless crap on pointless crap … leading to more pointless crap from other pointless crap …

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:45 pm

    The modern liberal party has always had a nazi sympathising fascist history. The Uglies faction and Liberal party powerbroker Lyenko Urbanchich was a WW2 Slovenian fascist leader.

    Tony Abbott, the NDH and the Liberal Party’s fascist affair:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbott-the-ndh-and-the-liberal-partys-fascist-affair,6411

    …Why did Liberal MP Craig Kelly give a speech at a function celebrating the creation of a Croatian fascist state on behalf of PM Tony Abbott? Dr Binoy Kampmark looks at the uncomfortably close links between the NSW Liberal right and European neo-Nazi extremists…

    Just google liberal party’s nazi links:
    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=liberal+party%27s+nazi+links&oq=liberal+party%27s+nazi+links&aqs=chrome..69i57.19971j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

    Abetz is a grandnephew of Otto Abetz, a Brigadier General in the Schutzstaffel, who was Nazi Germany’s ambassador to Vichy France from 1940 to 1944 and …[wiki]

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:50 pm

    Of course the biggest supporters of Nazis were their fellow socialists – until things got fratricidal in 1941.

    Playing with words again, sb, if not tweakin’ history?

    The street fighting in Germany wouldn’t indicate much brotherly love as either bunch of thugs tried to take the country …

    … then one mad dictator invaded the other paranoid dictator … and millions of innocent people died to save the west … oddly enough …

    Nazis extreme right … communists extreme left … both totalitarian … one lot believed in dog the other lot didn’t (or at least suppressed worship of it) …

    Neither political system would be something to be “proud” of … let’s hope our “democracy” doesn’t fall foul of similar despotic behaviour … although I wouldn’t/couldn’t deny it could easily happen …

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 3:52 pm

    AO

    Too funny.
    It was actually Menzies who declared war on the Nazi’s.

    Luckily the ALP was not in power in 1939 because they would have declared neutrality.

    Paul Keating hates the British as did most of the Labor Party in 1939. Labor would have declared neutrality in 1939 just like the Irish did.

  31. January 27, 2015 3:58 pm

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:01 pm

    Cripes, we only need to look at how quickly we’ve converted to fascism under abbott’s administrations, we’ve even got the concentration camps!

    Both sides allowed nazi war criminals to settle and flourish here.

    Also google mark aarons and ‘war criminals welcome’
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2009/march/1360640406/mark-aarons/hideout

    …Except when it comes to those who violate human rights abroad but call Australia home. Then, we have a long history of indifference, even hypocrisy, extending back to our acceptance of hundreds of Nazi collaborators who had voluntarily carried out Hitler’s policies in World War II, rounding up and killing civilians whose only sin was to be Jewish, Romany or Slavic; homosexual or disabled; anti-Nazi Christians, democrats, socialists or communists…

  33. January 27, 2015 4:01 pm

    Its pretty fucking simple…
    Abbotts captain calls are big fuck youze all to Australians who don’t agree with his radicalism. Any fool that supports, justifies or condones such disrespectful and socially disconnected behaviour, like Abort simply hates their country.

    What sort of fucking bonehead makes an Pommie royal a knight, on Australia day when overwhelming consensus is Australia does not want knights and dames in the first place?
    Abbott is stark raving mad and anyone who supports him is as mad as him

    Abbott is a dead man walking out to do maximum damage while he has the power….

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:02 pm

    You know that picture of Philip at his sisters funeral is a good example of what all leftists/communists/socialists/ALP supporters do.

    They post a picture and then try and make out something totally different to what is actually happening.

    In English – they lie.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:38 pm

    In English – they lie.

    Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family’s links with the Nazis.

    In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler’s attempts to restore Germany’s power and prestige ‘attractive’ and admitted they had ‘inhibitions about the Jews’.

    The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK.

    They include one of Philip aged 16 at the 1937 funeral of his elder sister Cecile, flanked by relatives in SS and Brownshirt uniforms.

    One row back in the cortege in Darmstadt, western Germany, was his uncle, Lord Mountbatten, wearing a Royal Navy bicorn hat.

    Another picture shows his youngest sister, Sophia, sitting opposite Hitler at the wedding of Hermann and Emmy Goering.

    Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic: “There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building. There was a sense of hope after the depressing chaos of the Weimar Republic.

    “I can understand people latching on to something or somebody who appeared to be appealing to their patriotism and trying to get things going. You can understand how attractive it was.”

    He added that there was ‘a lot of enthusiasm for the Nazis at the time, the economy was good, we were anti-Communist and who knew what was going to happen to the regime?’

    Philip stressed that he was never ‘conscious of anybody in the family actually expressing anti-Semitic views’. But he went on to say there were ‘inhibitions about the Jews’ and ‘jealousy of their success’.

    Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg. All four of his sisters married German princes and three – Sophie, Cecile and Margarita – became members of the Nazi party.

    Sophia’s husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering’s secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions.

    Philip went on to fight with distinction for the Allies in the Second World War before marrying the young Princess Elizabeth in 1947, five years before she became Queen. He served with the Royal Navy where, by 1945, he had risen to the rank of first lieutenant on a destroyer and was mentioned in despatches.

    All of his sisters and brothers-inlaw are now dead but he keeps in contact with his German relatives.

    His comments on the family’s Nazi connections appear in Royals and the Reich, by Jonathan Petropoulos, to be published in Britain in May.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html#ixzz3PztXACJ3
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    I think another apology is due from you, Kneel … yer pretty quick to accuse people of lying …

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:42 pm

    BTW, that’s a pretty spiffy RN uniform Phillip sports these days for a first lieutenant … lots of medals … MiD isn’t a medal …

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:43 pm

    “Cripes, we only need to look at how quickly we’ve converted to fascism under abbott’s administrations, we’ve even got the concentration camps!”

    Only as a result of the ALP/Green coalition’s policies.

    Abbott is hopelessly out of his depth as PM. Everything he touches turns to shit. But he isn’t a fascist except in those deluded demented minds so far out into lefty la-la-land that everyone else looks like a fascist.

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:45 pm

    Abbott is the same as he was in opposition, he is what he is, a headkicking mad monk, hell bent on forcing the country to his will. It is written and signed in thy blood!

    Abbott’s Love For The Prince Proves He’s No Machiavelli:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/01/27/abbotts-love-prince-proves-hes-no-machiavelli

    …In doing so, the real political character of the Prime Minister may be emerging. Far from the social conservative he often paints himself as, Abbott in government has proved himself a radical – a kind of right-wing Whitlamite willing to wager early defeat against far-reaching social change.

    Tony Abbott, it appears, is prepared to crash if he cannot crash through. The only real question now is how long his colleagues will let him remain at the controls…

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:47 pm

    But he isn’t a fascist …

    Nope … he’d much prefer to be King Anthony I … much more power … and the peasants know their place … I’ve got touching the forelock practised but kneeling is a pain when you have to get up again …

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 4:49 pm

    … a kind of right-wing Whitlamite willing to wager early defeat against far-reaching social change.

    So? Does that make him a right wing socialist or fascist … its all so complex … 😆

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:02 pm

    … a right wing socialist or a left wing fascist …

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:07 pm

    Abbott has many defects. Call him a fascist if you must. But even Abbott does not deserve the opprobrium of being called a Whitlamite. That is just plain nasty.

  43. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:10 pm

    Abbott is a dead man walking out to do maximum damage while he has the power….

    That really seems to be the state of play at the moment doesn’t it.

    From twit, it looks like we are getting prepped for another female PM.

    My question is, will the msm be as focused on her earlobes and bum as she so obviously is (after ‘lecturing’ Gillard on presumed proper behaviour which she now ignores)

    That yabot is such a monumental failure is no big surprise. The only surprise is, why are the msm only waking up to it now?

  44. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:11 pm

    Call him a fascist if you must.

    But he’d give fascists a bad name 😯

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:36 pm

    “I think another apology is due from you, Kneel … yer pretty quick to accuse people of lying …”

    No. Reb posted a photo of 16 year old Prince Philip turning up to his sisters funeral and then tried to make out something sinister about Philip. Are you saying he should not have turned up to the funeral??

    I am not quick to accuse people of lying. I make a careful statement.

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:40 pm

    Lefties do that a lot. They post a picture caption from who knows where and then make out something else is going on.

    It is called lying. An ALP characteristic.

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 5:54 pm

    oh no, he must be gutted

  48. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:10 pm

    I am not quick to accuse people of lying. I make a careful statement.

    ROFL

    In English – they lie.

    😯

    to compare, and contrast 😉

    All of these specific promises – clearly made by Abbott himself – have since been broken. Other promises, made by shadow ministers or in election documents, have also been broken, and there are more broken promises on the way (see both Sally McManus’s website and the ABC’s “Promise Checker”).

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/russell-marks/2014/16/2014/1418704918/own-goals

  49. January 27, 2015 6:14 pm

    “”No. Reb posted a photo of 16 year old Prince Philip turning up to his sisters funeral””

    Not exactly, I posted a tweet, posted by someone on twitter, who posted a photo of Prince Philip marching with a pack of Nazis.

    “”Are you saying he should not have turned up to the funeral??””

    Not at all. I just think it’s inconsiderate that he didn’t adhere to the dress code.

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:14 pm

    Wow the leftoid sidestep by TomR.

    Reb posted a picture of 16 year old Prince Philip attending his sisters funeral and then tried to make out something sinister about Prince Philip.

    The guy was 16 years old. Not even old enough to vote. Most probably did not even know what a Nazi was.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:20 pm

    The guy was 16 years old. Not even old enough to vote. Most probably did not even know what a Nazi was.

    When sir prince duke phillip was 16yo there were others who had lied about their age to go and fight against the nazis.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:25 pm

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:28 pm

    AO

    It was 1937 when the funeral occurred. Nobody knew what was going to happen in 1937. Some people admired the Nazi’s because they turned the German economy around, built autobahns, Volkswagen.

    And Prince Philip served in WW2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#Naval_and_wartime_service

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:39 pm

    But even Abbott does not deserve the opprobrium of being called a Whitlamite. That is just plain nasty.

    LOL!

    I agree! Whitlam (for all his faults) was determined to assist us little folk … The Abbott on the other hand has set out to do the opposite …

    The Abbot really is a simple minded, catlik, born to rule, self centred, Fuckwit!© …

    Apologies to Gough!

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:47 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about what Phil was doing when he was 16, it’s that he’s been on a very generous public teat since that is annoying, and for this he gets an Australia Day knighthood!!

    We hand out 2 a year and he gets one!!

    Proof that Abbott is out of touch or insane, or just a f**kwit

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:49 pm

    A special reprise for Kneel …

    And Prince Philip served in WW2

    But where was the rest of his family? Here’s a clue …

    The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK …

    Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic: “There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building. There was a sense of hope after the depressing chaos of the Weimar Republic.

    “I can understand people latching on to something or somebody who appeared to be appealing to their patriotism and trying to get things going. You can understand how attractive it was.”

    He added that there was ‘a lot of enthusiasm for the Nazis at the time, the economy was good, we were anti-Communist and who knew what was going to happen to the regime?’

    … All four of his sisters married German princes and three – Sophie, Cecile and Margarita – became members of the Nazi party.

    Sophia’s husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering’s secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions.

    It was well known before, during and after WWII, that there was sympathy for the new German dictatorship from the British Royal Family … The Firm, is all about making money not ruling the plebs …

    I listened to my own family discuss it as I grew up!

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 6:58 pm

    … it’s that he’s been on a very generous public teat …

    Yeah, I always wondered what he was actually sucking in tho’ … whoooo hooo …

  58. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:02 pm

    Wow the leftoid sidestep by TomR.

    ROFL

    Posting up a (small) list of yabots lies is a ‘sidestep’ after nIl accuses every ‘lefty’ of lying’ ROFL

    Personally, I don’t harbour any animosity to the punce. Theirs thousands of people on the public teat, and he’s no where near the worst.

    The issue is, we have a prime miniature, who could still very well be an English citizen himself still, who has given out an Australian Award on Australia Day to a pom, and ignored many other just as/more deserving Australians.

    And this, after specifically saying he wouldn’t give it to anyone but Australians, after saying he wouldn’t be bringing back this antiquated pommy grovelling habit in the first place.

    But nIl doesn’t want to talk about yabots lies, just other lies his fevered mind brings up.

    Which he really can’t bring himself to highlight by the way

    Meanwhile, I think I’ve been rather specific about yabots lies 😉

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:08 pm

    “It was well known before, during and after WWII, that there was sympathy for the new German dictatorship from the British Royal Family

    And most probably lots of other people as well.

    Come on TB nobody knew what the Nazi’s were really like in 1937. The Royals had relatives in Germany. And i am sure lots of British people had relatives in Germany. You cannot get rid of your relatives. And the Nazis got the German economy going.

    But to try and make something of a picture of 16 year old Prince Philip attending his sisters funeral in 1937 is a low blow.

    They guy would not even know what a Nazi was at 16 years old in 1937.

  60. January 27, 2015 7:15 pm

    “Come on TB nobody knew what the Nazi’s were really like in 1937.”

    Nobody, except Churchill.

  61. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:22 pm

    Come on TB nobody knew what the Nazi’s were really like in 1937.

    Just like nobody knew what yabot would be like in 2013

    oh … wait 😯

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:25 pm

    Come on TB nobody knew what the Nazi’s were really like in 1937

    Ask the communists and the Jews and anyone else who got in their way … you really need to read more, Kneel … if that’s too hard, watch a few docos …

    The problem I (and many others have) is that The Firm has no idea about the Australian way of life – nor do they care!

    The concept of a monarchy is archaic in the 21st Century (in any century!) … and it reflects the “retarded” (ie in the past) mentality of its supporters … ’tis a childish idea obviously promoted by “the adults” in our society …

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:28 pm

    Exactly, TR!

    I will not enter into a debate about Churchill … suffice it say that I have studied the man’s “history” enough to refrain form visiting his “mausoleum” at Blenheim Castle … as did a couple sitting behind us on the coach …

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:34 pm

    More evidence of Fairyland …

    FINANCE Minister Mathias Cormann insists the economy is in a better position thanks to the efforts of the Abbott government.

    SENATOR Cormann tried to return the focus on the economy on Tuesday after Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s controversial decision to award a knighthood to Prince Philip on Monday.

    He said the government has made significant progress in repairing the budget mess it inherited.

    “The results are starting to show,” he told reporters in Perth on Tuesday.
    “We are in a better position now with prospects for stronger growth and more jobs as a result of our efforts so far.”

    However, new data would suggest the outlook is less upbeat.
    The National Australia Bank’s monthly business survey suggests there is “little to no” momentum building in the economy.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/data-suggest-jobless-rate-yet-to-peak/story-e6frfku9-1227198545111

    Emergency call to Mothership! Emergency call to Mothership! :mrgreen:

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:38 pm

    WELL DONE QANTAS!

    TEN widows of World War One veterans will be flown for free by Qantas to Anzac Cove for the 100th anniversary of the Gallipoli landings, subject to medical checks.

    The women, who range in age from their 70s to early 90s, married the veterans long after they returned from war. In some cases, there was an age difference of more than 40-years.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/post-war-brides-to-be-special-guests-at-anzac-centenary-service/story-fncynjr2-1227198661594

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:45 pm

    Hitler was already entrenched in 1937

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch21b.html

    …1937 the rule of law in Germany had deteriorated to the point that the courts were unable to interfere with the activities of the Gestapo in any way. Hitler was well enough established and popular that his police occasionally put into prison those who were so unpatriotic as to ridicule Hitler. And recently 150 leaders of a Catholic youth organization had been arrested and accused of treason – for having associated with Marxists.

    And the government was making life harder still for Jews. By 1937 the exclusion of Jews from public or private employment left at least half of them without a means of livelihood. In many towns a Jew could not find lodging. Some found it difficult or impossible to buy food, including milk for their children, or to buy medicine. Over some shops were signs that read, “Jews Not Admitted.”…

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 7:52 pm

    But to try and make something of a picture of 16 year old Prince Philip attending his sisters funeral in 1937 is a low blow.
    They guy would not even know what a Nazi was at 16 years old in 1937

    I can see that you’ve tried very hard not to stick to the subject of the post which was the knighting of sir duke prince phillip. Going off on a huge tangent about an old photo, Have you made any comment about him being granted an aussie knightship?

  68. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:00 pm

    Have you made any comment about him being granted an aussie knightship?

    He was granted an aussie knightship? What fucken dickhead did THAT?

  69. January 27, 2015 8:13 pm

  70. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:18 pm

    wow, this could become required reading reb 😉

    http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:19 pm

    Years from now, there could p’haps be a case study in universities abt how someone so thick & moronic could become a nation’s PM

    There has been others … all Liberal I think …

    Just sayin” …

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:21 pm

    “I can see that you’ve tried very hard not to stick to the subject of the post which was the knighting of sir duke prince phillip

    Well i will now.

    It was completely stupid and i do not understand it.

    Furthermore i always thought that people of Catholic background were always against the British Monarchy.

    I am old enough to remember that people of Catholic background were anti-british and people of protestant background were pro-british

  73. January 27, 2015 8:23 pm

    Nice link Tom…

    It seems as tho the Abbot/Mudochracy has completely lost its grip on the mindset of the masses…

    Damn those graffiti artists and those twittery things…!!

    DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!

  74. January 27, 2015 8:24 pm

    “The Nazi’s did get the economy back on track so they were admirable for some things.”

    unfknblvbl

    How ignorant.

    Any idea how , Neil? hmmmm.

    And the ol’ Nazis were socialist chestnut is out for another run I see.

  75. January 27, 2015 8:28 pm

    “It was completely stupid and i do not understand it.”

    Yes, it was completely stupid, but it’s very easy to understand (why he did it) if you’ve paid any attention to Abbott’s background, little lone let alone the myriad public comments he’s made over time in support of such absurdities.

  76. January 27, 2015 8:30 pm

    Oh Boss, you say “little lone” like it’s a bad thing…

    Much LULZ

    #MarshallArts

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:32 pm

    “unfknblvbl

    How ignorant.

    Why?? From what i have read people admired the Nazi’s for how they had turned the German economy around.

    “Nobody, except Churchill.

    Churchill was always worried about Hitler long before most other people but i stand by what i say.

    Nobody in 1937 knew what was going to happen. When reports of what was going on in Germany during WW2 appeared nobody believed them. Most Germans did not believe what happened when they were told about it. Not even Churchill could have foreseen what the Nazi’s were going to do.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 27, 2015 8:37 pm

    For services to australia?

    He gets an all expenses paid trip courtesy of the taxpayers, every indulgement thrown at him and then lauded and feted with pomp and ceremony at our expense and he’s only the queen’s handbag carrier. I think we’ve been of more service to him than he has ever been to us. When did he last earn a living for himself?

    That’s like “giving a Beyoncé CD to Jay-Z” says Aussie comic Adam Hills

  79. January 27, 2015 8:39 pm

    “From what i have read people admired the Nazi’s for how they had turned the German economy around.”

    Which people & why? is what you should ask yourself.

    Perhaps also look into the methods used & the underlying motivations for doing so. I assume you’re familiar with the concept of a ‘House of Cards’?

    Also, I’m sure the Australian economy could be ‘turned around’ with draconian labour laws etc. . Check out who Hitler had implementing such things and what they actually did. Not really something to praise or aspire to, for most of those who comprehend what went on.

    A bit more to it than ‘they got the economy back on track’.

    Worth noting how the economy got ‘off track’ too.

  80. January 27, 2015 8:42 pm

    ” Not even Churchill could have foreseen what the Nazi’s were going to do.”

    And why do you think that is Neil?

  81. January 27, 2015 8:44 pm

    Pointless-crap””bestowing pointless crap on pointless crap”””

    ””leading to more pointless crap from other pointless crap””

    #but isn`t it always #rofl

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2015 9:22 pm

    “I will not enter into a debate about Churchill … suffice it say that I have studied the man’s “history” enough to refrain form visiting his “mausoleum” at Blenheim Castle”

    Only someone who believes that they would have done a better job than Churchill if faced with the same problems can criticize Churchill. After the fall of France, Britain was against 90 million Germans, 40 million Italians plus millions of other Europeans who had allied themselves with the nazi’s. Oh and the Irish declared neutrality which was a great help to the Nazi’s.

    But TB of Queensland thinks he would have done a better job than Churchill if placed in the same situation.

  83. January 27, 2015 9:58 pm

    Grogsgamut has a nice `archive-of-comedy`, showing how half-witted our teabag-media is TomR, there is many LOL`s in those headlines. All their team-cheering for the `buffoon-king` and failing to challenge him pre-election, and they wonder why their consumer base is in free-fall. #Reaping.Crops.Sown

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2015 10:34 pm

    and they wonder why their consumer base is in free-fall.

    The sad thing is, I’m certain many of them actually do wonder why their ‘words of wisdom’ are not cutting through anymore.

  85. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:04 am

    Well, looks like rupe has come to his senses, and turned on poor tonedeaf. time for him to create another deerleeder for US all 😦

    Bishop is my guess (considering she has just been over there to bend her knee for him)

    Here’s a thought though rupe, why not keep your nose out of other countries affairs and let them decide instead of tearing down elected Governments and making up stories and accusing Prime Ministers of illegal actions without ANY proof.

    From their ed today

    But Mr Abbott’s unpopularity is an ingrained political fact. Voters preferred him in last year’s federal election not because they adored him but because he represented an escape from the chaos and squalid politics of the Rudd-Gillard period.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/tony-abbott-is-in-office-but-is-he-prime-minister/story-e6frg71x-1227198890579

    You mean the “chaos and squalid politics” that you created, fed and manipulated and then blew out of all proportion?

    NDIS, NBN, Carbon Price, Gonski, all pushed through against the most intransigent opposition witnessed and feral media devoid of any scruples or factual basis, and still you call it ‘chaos’. 😯

    The sooner the empire crumbles, the better for all of us.

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:09 am

    Yep it was chaos. Trashed borders. Spending on housing record numbers of asylum seekers exploding by BILLIONS of dollars. Unemployment rising from 4.3% to 5.8%. Budget totally trashed. NBN going nowhere after 6 years. Constant fighting between Rudd and Gillard. Debt increase one of the fastest in the Western World

  87. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:24 am

    Unemployment rising from 4.3% to 5.8%

    While in the rest of the world, it went into double digits

    Budget totally trashed.

    Absolute rubbish. A small increase in borrowing which, before hockey applied his counting to it, was well on the way to returning to surplus

    onstant fighting between Rudd and Gillard.

    See above about rupe and his machinations. Without him, rudd would have been powerless.

    We were the envy of the world with our economy, now we are a laughing stock

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:36 am

    “We were the envy of the world with our economy, now we are a laughing stock”

    Never ceases to amaze me how dishonest Labor supporters are. You claim credit for something you never created.

    I remember telling an American friend in 2007 about our surplus budgets. He was amazed.

    We were the envy of the world in 2007. Not any more after the Rudd/Gillard disaster.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:43 am

    Left types say “our debt is not a problem”, but don’t bother to nominate the point at which even they would be concerned about it.
    ————
    Greece’s anti austerity government should be interesting.

    Greece should never have joined the Euro, the economic adjustment would have been far less painful with a freely traded drachma.

    In the immediate future they can probably look forward to even higher unemployment.

  90. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:00 am

    Churchill was clearly one of the greatest men of the 20th Century. Cometh the hour cometh the man. In Britain’s darkest hour he was the only man who could save his country.

    Cameron and Obama have much more in common with Neville Chamberlain.

    We now live in the twilight of the Age of Enlightenment. The intellectually debilitating sludge of socialism and postmodernism has sapped the strength of the West propelling the slavering medieval barbarism of Islam to once again re-assert itself.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:22 am

    ”You mean the “chaos and squalid politics” that you created, fed and manipulated and then blew out of all proportion?

    I see.

    • Rupe gave Rudd/ALP a 2PP vote of 52/48 at the time he lost the leadership?
    • Rupe made Paul Howes go on the 7.30 Report and say that Rudd was to be challenged, even though very few in the caucus were aware of a challenge?
    • Rupe made Gillard say Rudd would have a month to stabilise his position, but then she stepped out and took further instructions from Howes, and then changed her mind?
    • Rupe made Gillard make election commitments that she was never going to keep?
    • Rupe made Gillard express complete confidence in a (now) convicted criminal?
    • Rupe made most of the caucus (and its current leader) so concerned about electoral annihilation that they returned to Rudd?

  92. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:23 am

    but don’t bother to nominate the point at which even they would be concerned about it.

    Whatever the ‘point’ is, it was well beyond anything Labor had it at. Since we still had one of the lowest debts in the world.

    There is no need, at this point, to nominate a ‘point’, since Labors plan since introducing the stimulus was always to bring it back to surplus.

    But, since hockey got in, that has turned around it seems.

    Churchill was clearly one of the greatest men of the 20th Century.

    I’d agree with that. Was he infallible, no. But he was a man for the time.

    However, your last paragraph is just gibberish

    I’d lay more of the blame at western Imperialism providing the perfect breeding ground for radicalism to prosper than any postmodernist socialistic fairy you bring up.

  93. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:26 am

    I see.

    Quite obviously you don’t

    rupe gave rudd the perfect environment where churnalists simply repeated any statement or accusation whispered to them as if it was gospel.

  94. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:29 am

    Some relevant ‘context’

    https://storify.com/BrionyKidd/chewing-the-fat-with-mr-m

  95. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:30 am

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:34 am

    “Western Imperialism” is passé, Tom R. The latest catchphrase in the self-loathing lexicon is “white privilege”.

  97. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:40 am

    “Western Imperialism” is passé,

    Tell it to the Kurds

  98. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:44 am

    The liberals fiscal rectitude. Waste, waste, waste. You aint seen nothing yet!

    If the fiscal policy actions of the Abbott government are anything to go by, the budget will be framed with conflicting messages and will have no specific objectives. It will continue to talk of the need to reduce government debt and the budget deficit, yet it will include an extremely high level of government spending, one rarely, if ever, seen outside times of recession.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/27/if-the-government-wants-a-budget-surplus-why-is-it-increasing-spending

  99. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:46 am

    If it walks like a duck……..

    The Productivity Commission released some issue papers last week in advanced of a promised review into industrial relations. Surprise! Cutting the penalty rates of Australian workers, “reviewing” the minimum wage and workplace “flexibility” are all on the agenda.

    This sounds a lot like WorkChoices.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/27/the-only-certainty-of-a-reduced-minimum-wage-is-a-lot-more-poor-people

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:49 am

    The Kurds aren’t the ones trying to impose a Caliphate on the rest of the world, Tom R. Besides, they spent a lot more of their history being oppressed by Turkish imperialism.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 9:50 am

    rupe gave rudd the perfect environment where churnalists simply repeated any statement or accusation whispered to them as if it was gospel.

    I see.

    You mean stuff like – “I have complete confidence” or “there is no leadership challenge”

    Just as a matter of interest, did you get it right when you said Rudd would be a good Prime Minister? Or when you said he was a psycho? Or when you said his leadership challenge was just media speculation?

    Come on!! Own up about your incredible judgments of the past!!

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:01 am

    …and the problem with government debt…

    Even if you’re right Tom R and Swan did have some way of paying down the debt, a fair proportion of it has proved to be unnecessary and wasteful.

    Another economic downturn, and we may be in for a bit of a dip, would again place expenditure and revenue under pressure. Debt would again increase at a fast rate. It went from 0% to over 20 in pretty quick time.

    Would you be comfortable with debt of (say) 50% of GDP? We went from 0 to 20 in a few years, just as we could go from 20 to 50 in a few years.

  103. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:11 am

    The Kurds aren’t the ones trying to impose a Caliphate on the rest of the world

    This time around. Lat time, they wee the enemy.

    “there is no leadership challenge”

    Well, the first dozen or so times, there wasn’t. was there.

    Own up about your incredible judgments of the past!

    Again? 😯 I’ve been pretty straight up about how wrong I was about rudd. But, if you really want to hear it again. I was completely wrong about rudd.

    a fair proportion of it has proved to be unnecessary and wasteful.

    Yes, you read rupe, I can tell 😉

    A small percentage was what could be called ‘waste’. The BER had less ‘waste’ than privately run building projects. That has been shown time and again. But you just play the same old ignorant line, don’t you.

  104. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:14 am

    just as we could go from 20 to 50 in a few years.

    We could (see above)

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/27/if-the-government-wants-a-budget-surplus-why-is-it-increasing-spending

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:18 am

    I have plenty of time for Chris Bowen, I think he’s thoughtful, intelligent and has a streak of genuine decency.

    He’s a permanent Rudd supporter.

    Albanese can’t be so totally wrong in his judgement of Rudd’s character.

    On the other hand, we had Gillard’s main supporter – Wayne Swan.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:25 am

    What did The Abbott say about the interwebby social media thingy?

    Read this and weep, Tones … at your peril …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/bellingcat-citizen-journalist-eliot-higgins-is-holding-global-governments-to-account/story-fnjwnfzw-1227199095118

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:50 am

    Only someone who believes that they would have done a better job than Churchill if faced with the same problems can criticize Churchill. Kneel

    Your assumption not mine …

    Churchill probably was the only leader who could have stood up to Hitler (that tells you something) in the first couple of years of WWII …

    Then Stalin stepped in and all hell broke loose … then the Yanks got involved and Hitler shot himself in the foot (metaphorically) so many times …

    … and WWII was just six years out of Churchill’s lifetime of making poor decisions (against advice) that unnecessarily cost thousands of lives (especially for the “colonies” – Canada, India and Australia), usually against the advice of others (Gallipoli was one of them) … and one person has never won a world war … it was also telling that Churchill was promptly dumped by the electorate after WWII …

    And make no mistake, Australian soldiers, in TWO world wars, were expendable shock troops, as far as Churchill was concerned …

    As I said earlier I’m not getting into a discussion – especially with someone so lopsided in intellectual and cognitive abilities …

    I simply don’t like people attributing their thoughts to me … “Only someone …” GMAFB!

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:53 am

    Would you be comfortable with debt of (say) 50% of GDP? We went from 0 to 20 in a few years, just as we could go from 20 to 50 in a few years.

    Will be even more when unaddressed climate change demand is upon us, but let’s leave that to the next generations and only worry about the here and now for us.

    It’s been pointed out many times how we can get back to surplus almost overnight and it’s not austerity for the poor. Tackle the middle class giveaways, the superannuation and negative gearing, the family trusts, the overseas tax shelters and loopholes etc. Tackle corporate subsidies. It’s easy to do if the will is there, politicians just need some backbone. Instead of kicking the people who can’t fight back, the poor, the elderly and the unemployed and youth, how about addressing the real waste? Rent seeking private enterprise is the problem, business is addicted to taxpayer funded corporate welfare.

    More and more I see that governments have no power at all against the destruction of unleashed market forces. They are supposed to be a check on the predators but it has got so one sided that they simply grease and spin the wheels of corporate greed. They used to at least look after the poor and needy and those chewed and spat out as corporate road kill, but now they’ve decided to kick their crutches out from under them.

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:04 am

    Stop playing their game toM, hand wringing about short term debt, memorising the lines of the script fed to you by the government and start telling them what they should be doing to satisfy us and protect us from their own inaction, corruption and troughsnouting.

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:06 am

    “As I said earlier I’m not getting into a discussion

    But you just did.

    In 1940 Britain with a population of 40 million people was against Germany with 90 million people, Italy with 40 million people plus millions of other Europeans who sided with Hitler. Plus people in the conquered countries were forced to work for the Nazi’s.

    So in 1940 you had Britain with 40 million people against several hundred million people.

    And you also had the Irish cheering on the Nazi’s.

    Only a fool would say they would have done a better job than Churchill.

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:29 am

    I don’t object to removal of unnecessary welfare for those that don’t need it, I’ve pointed this out in the past.

    But how can you say you don’t want middle class welfare when you so vociferously object to a small payment by the middle class for seeing the GP?

    I think the limitations on super contributions are already insufficient, particularly if people are going to be increasingly required to fund their own retirement.

    And I’m quite happy to eliminate corporate subsidies, but it was mainly the left screaming about the closure of Ford, Holden and Toyota and the need to put them on a more generous public teat.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:31 am

    “are already sufficient” (super contributions are taxed too much already),

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:40 am

    And I’m quite happy to eliminate corporate subsidies, but it was mainly the left screaming about the closure of Ford, Holden and Toyota and the need to put them on a more generous public teat.”

    Yeah.

    We gave them $30B from 2007-2013 and local sales fell from 25% to 10%.

    If we gave the auto manufacturers $60B we would have forced local sales down to 5%.

    The more money the Govt gave Australian auto workers the more people supported foreign workers.

    PS- Ford left under Rudd

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:48 am

    But how can you say you don’t want middle class welfare when you so vociferously object to a small payment by the middle class for seeing the GP?

    Because I believe in universal health care and what it has to improve australians health over the decades. That ‘small co-payment’ makes a huge difference to people unlucky enough to be born with chronic health conditions necessitating more Dr visits due to no fault of their own. We also pay a medicare levy in our tax system. The co-payment is designed to undermine bulk billing [universal health care] by stealth,
    The problem with health is that taxpayer funding goes to support a private health system, how great it would be if those public funds went to public health, we wouldn’t have a problem. How about private health standing alone as a private enterprise?

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:53 am

    And I’m quite happy to eliminate corporate subsidies, but it was mainly the left screaming about the closure of Ford, Holden and Toyota and the need to put them on a more generous public teat.

    They are still screaming about mining and fuel subsidies, rent seeking and corporate tax evasion, why pick and choose? You know as well as I do, it was because car manufacturing had a highly unionised workforce and every lib government is out to destroy anything that has union influence.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:56 am

    But how can you say you don’t want middle class welfare when you so vociferously object to a small payment by the middle class for seeing the GP?

    Because like most people until I turned 65, I paid full fee – ie $75 …

    The “small payment” hits people least able to pay … low/fixed incomes …

    Its like GST … high income earners with high disposable income get on with it … but the low/fixed no disposable income households struggle …

    The quick fix is to have a 20% across the board tax on anything earned … no special treatment no tax returns 20% for ALL tax … (including GST but with an increase for those on government welfare to cope – as they did originally) … wonder how businesses would cope with actually paying 20%?

    And as KL mentioned earlier …

    Repeal negative gearing*

    Dismantle every family trust in and out of Australia*

    Immediately stop post, pollie perqs … *

    In addition I’d recommend that an (opt in) National Superannuation Fund (a tripartite board of government, union/business and general pubic reps) be set up to guarantee returns of say 6% pa … paid as an income stream …

    *Until these are on table everything else is non-negotiable in my opinion …

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:58 am

    The problem with health is that taxpayer funding goes to support a private health system, how great it would be if those public funds went to public health, we wouldn’t have a problem. How about private health standing alone as a private enterprise

    Hear! Bloody! Hear!

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:59 am

    “They are still screaming about mining and fuel subsidies,”

    Get stuffed.

    Govts both state and federal get billions of dollars from mining.

    And car manufacturing failed because they gave their workers $100,000/ year jobs.

    How much do nurses earn????

    Union muscle destroyed the car manufacturing industry

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:05 pm

    How much do nurses earn????

    Relevance?

    Union muscle destroyed the car manufacturing industry

    General Motors management decisions fkd GM …

    … and the country could never support so many manufacturers … it was in fact a Labor Plan to reduce the number of manufacturers – I’m sure you know its name – but it was never intended to totally eliminate manufacturing …

    We did a similar thing just before WWII … and paid a price …

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:20 pm

    “General Motors management decisions fkd GM

    Yeah. Management asked Toyota workers instead of shutting down for 3 weeks at Christmas time could we only shut down for 10 days.

    10 day shut down is more normal for Christmas time.

    Unions told management to get stuffed.

    Well goodbye car manufacturing in this country.

    ” it was in fact a Labor Plan to reduce the number of manufacturers

    It was already down to three.

    The only plan Labor had was to destroy the car manufacturing industry in this country.

    Voted for by deadbeats like you.

  121. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:27 pm

    (Gallipoli was one of them)

    Actually, many historians believe that if Churchill were able to have his way (and the commanders followed his script), “Gallipoli” would have been unecessary. He plan was for a naval armada with the weight of an “obsolete” armada smashing through. Unfortunately, that just “wasn’t the way it was done chaps”.

    Mind you, his plan involved sacrificing these ships excessively, which really runs against the grain of ANY commander I’d hazard a guess at.

    But how can you say you don’t want middle class welfare when you so vociferously object to a small payment by the middle class for seeing the GP?

    Because Medicare isn’t “middle-class welfare” yomm. #justsayin

    screaming about the closure of Ford, Holden and Toyota and the need to put them on a more generous public teat.

    Whilst all the other “corporate subsidies” not just remain, but grow….. You see the problem there?

    Govts both state and federal get billions of dollars from mining.</i.

    As they did from Automotive Manufacturing

    Union muscle destroyed the car manufacturing industry

    Australia’s Automotive Manufacturers were one of the most productive sectors.

    It was the high Australian dollar, and a treasurer telling them to get fucked that killed them. The buck stops with hockey, as Holden showed how they could get through the high dollar. They just couldn’t get past a grubmint that had to part of the solution refusing to be.

    General Motors management decisions fkd GM

    They were still a viable company, if they were allowed a level playing field. hockey turned the field upside down.

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:33 pm

    Wow TomR what about all the other manufacturing that has left from the 1970’s?

    Do you actually care about Australia??

    It is all gone.

    Under rudd/Gillard local car sales fell from 25% to 10% with $30B funding.

    The more money they got the less Australians bought Australian made cars.

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:34 pm

    How much do nurses earn????

    Not enough for the workloads and responsibilities that they have. You couldn’t do it for 8 hrs.

  124. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:37 pm

    The government led by the man who told us all that WorkChoices was…

    “Dead, Buried, and Cremated”

    …now has all the vital ingredients of WorkChoices back on the agenda. Penalty rates, minimum wages, unfair dismissal, enterprise bargaining, even workplace bullying are up for review by the notoriously right-wing Productivity Commission. The same Productivity Commission that recommended Joe Hockey’s disgraceful unfair budget that the country rallied against.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/senses-working-overtime-are-we-about-to-face-workchoices-2-0-or-an-even-more-sinister-agenda/

  125. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:39 pm

    hat about all the other manufacturing that has left from the 1970’s?

    What about the ones who remained and were viable for the 30 – 40 years since?

    Did any of them get told to get fucked by the Treasurer of the day?

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:43 pm

    Do you actually care about Australia??

    He shows in his comments that he cares about everything australian. You, on the other hand, seem to care only for australian profits going overseas and and a race to the bottom with australians being overworked and living under reduced wages and conditions, like those in asian countries.

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:49 pm

    “Did any of them get told to get fucked by the Treasurer of the day?”

    What has that got to do with the fact that most of our manufacturing left under Labor?

    Ford left under Rudd and that was it for manufacturing in Australia. Without Ford car manufacturing was nonviable in this country and FORD left under Rudd/Gillard

  128. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:49 pm

    The minster for womens has found his knightly shield it seems

    I’m liking the #simkinwatch tag, most especially because I no longer have to watch him 😉

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 12:56 pm


  130. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:01 pm

    What has that got to do with the fact that most of our manufacturing left under Labor?

    Absolutely everything.

    Ford left because of their management and global competitiveness (from the US)

    Holden WERE competitive, on a level field. But the Treasurer of the country killed them, not the company itself.

    That is what it has to do with it.

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:03 pm

    Mate you are deluded as usual.

    Without Ford it was all over Red Rover.

    And FORD left under Rudd/Gillard

  132. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:04 pm

    Wow AO, manufacturing, -25,000 jobs

    Just wait till the plants actually close 😦

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:08 pm

    Jobs claims a cover for coal largesse:
    http://www.tai.org.au/content/jobs-claims-cover-coal-largesse

    …Once upon a time if a project couldn’t make a profit without government support conservative politicians would have called it a bad investment. Not these days. Take, for example, the Queensland government’s plan to spend $2 billion on coal transport infrastructure trying to make marginal mines in the Galilee basin financially viable.

    Even after enormous taxpayer largesse, the Galillee coal mines still look unviable. Private banks won’t touch them, but fear not, the Queensland LNP is so determined to assist its favourite industry that it is willing to divert even more money from investment in schools and hospitals in order to take an equity stake in the mining industry. They seem to to think that any project can be made viable if enough government money is spent on it.

    Campbell Newman’s has provided no cost-benefit analysis to justify his decision to make a massive investment of taxpayers money. He has provided no risk assessment to detail what would happen to that investment if the mines don’t operate at full capacity for 30 years. And he has provided no comparison of the benefits that would flow from spending $2 billion on other infrastructure projects…

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:10 pm

    Wow AO, manufacturing, -25,000 jobs
    Just wait till the plants actually close

    Just wait till all these people vote!

  135. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:19 pm

    Without Ford it was all over Red Rover.

    No, Ford made no difference (or not much)

    In some respects, they added impetus to the work for smaller suppliers, but, because of their poor performance, they also were a drag on them too (very unreliable for orders etc)

    Those supplying Holden and Toyota knew where they stood almost every month (JIT is a dog though)

  136. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:21 pm

    Just wait till all these people vote!

    I can’t 🙂

    Election Now? ROFL

    The political destruction of Abbott in the coming months is much to be hoped for and almost a certainty. But because he is like no ordinary politician, it will be a fascinating and very unique spectacle to watch. But at this stage of the process, before he departs the scene, three points can be made.

    Firstly, Abbott has damaged the fabric of our society. His behaviour towards Julia Gillard was full of contempt, cruelty and hatred. And deliberate lies. Many people were also hurt or offended by him, not as individuals but as supporters of hers, or as ordinary people trying to be decent citizens. The anger coming out now at Abbott is a sign of just how damaging he was – and how many people felt its effects – even if not fully aware at the time of how hurtful it was to them personally.

    Secondly, admiration for competent government during 2007-2013 can only increase. The Federal Government held together during those years, despite its own enormous internal tensions and relentless attacks from Abbott and co. Under circumstances far less difficult, Abbott’s Government has been spectacularly inept and incompetent by comparison.

    Thirdly, admiration for Julia Gillard personally can only increase. Unlike Abbott, she must have felt every stinging blow. To say that she showed grace under pressure is the understatement of the century, and more obvious by the day.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/quo-vadis-abbott-agonistes,7301

    The Gillard haterz will be going apoplectic 😉

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:22 pm

    “No, Ford made no difference (or not much)

    Wow. The traitor to manufacturing in this country makes a comment.

    Give it a miss mate. Thousands of people lives have been destroyed because of your immoral and corrupt beliefs.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:36 pm

    Give it a miss mate. Thousands of people lives have been destroyed because of your immoral and corrupt beliefs.

    I’d suggest that you give stupidity a miss. When you’ve got nothing to defend, all you have is personal abuse/attack and idiotic accusations, what a waste of time you are!

  139. January 28, 2015 1:39 pm

    Fun facts!

  140. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:40 pm

    Wow. The traitor to manufacturing in this country makes a comment.

    Yea, I’m so shy and retiring, especially on this topic

    ROFL

    (in future, I’ll speak up more) 😉

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:42 pm

    …In recent days, I think this criticism fatigue is starting to set in. Will the point be reached when people are no longer angry at Abbott, rather, they are just tired of him? Where they have reached the point where they just want Abbott to go away, to disappear, to be out of their face?…

    Thanks tom [from your link] I think that sums it up, we’ve reached saturation abbott – just go, get out of our sight!

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:45 pm

    10 day shut down is more normal for Christmas time.

    Says who?

    I used to shut one of my factories down for six weeks at Christmas … your experience in production is what? As what?

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:49 pm

    Oh, I see, it’s all credlin’s fault – he is her boss and she works under his direction, but the witch has bewitched and besotted abbott who is now completely under her powerful, wicked spell. He wouldn’t have done any of this on his own accord [hint: check battlelines].

  144. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:51 pm

    Fun facts!

    Well, that really is your opinion, isn’t it reb, because, what really IS a fact? 😯

    four months (allegedly) until May (allegedly) and they still haven’t got the last one settled down

    Chaos, waste and mismanagement writ large

    But, at least prince whatsisname got a medal 🙂

    It’s not like this is a do nothing grubmint. I mean, they killed Holden in just their first year 😯

  145. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:53 pm

    Oh, I see, it’s all credlin’s fault

    well, she is a woman of substance abuse.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:55 pm

  147. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 1:59 pm

    wow, watching the media pack act dumbfounded at the stupidity of yabot is kinda of gratifying to see. It’s not like it’s surprise for most of us you Muppets!

    This is pertinent

    Lately I’ve found that the media (here in Australia particularly) has become extremely lazy with sourcing. 90% get their stories from aggregation websites which is what I initially targeted. I knew that if the story blew up on websites such as Reddit & Product Hunt that it would be a success.

    Read more at http://observer.com/2015/01/exclusive-how-this-man-got-the-media-to-fall-for-shipyourenemiesglitter-stunt/#ixzz3Q55tD4R7
    Follow us: @newyorkobserver on Twitter | newyorkobserver on Facebook

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:00 pm

    Well, that really is your opinion, isn’t it reb, because, what really IS a fact?

    😆 😆 😆

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:06 pm

    Abbott should put an end to all this negativity and criticism and call a double dissolution election now.

  150. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:08 pm

    your experience in production is what?

    Exactly. Armchair Opinionators with no clue, (except for the self confessed one 😉 )

    We would shut down for 4 weeks, that was when you had your holidays, like it or not. All of a sudden, the firm decides to make it 10 days.

    Mind you, that alone might have been accepted by the workers. The main problem was the raft of other cuts they were expected to take.

    But numbnuts latch onto the 10 day story fed to us by the churnalists with an ideological stake in the game.

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:24 pm

    Abbott should put an end to all this negativity and criticism and call a double dissolution election now.

    oh, no no no sb, we are only just starting to laugh again, it’s been a sad, sad time of disbelief, anger, numbness and shock, all the stages of grief and now when we’re starting to enjoy life again, to laugh again, you want to put an end to it 😉

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2015 2:37 pm

    rules is rules, especially the constitutional ones

  153. January 28, 2015 3:19 pm

    “Holden WERE competitive, on a level field. But the Treasurer of the country killed them, not the company itself.”

    That statement is incorrect. I know this because the global head of General Motors said so.

    Or, you can believe Tom R, the unbiased commenter from guttertrash.

  154. January 28, 2015 3:28 pm

    ‘With or without government support local car production is not viable says General Motors chief.’

    “The man responsible for making the decision to end Holden’s local car making operations in 2017 believes it was the only decision to make. And he has supported the Abbott Government’s decision to cut support to the local car industry.

    “Stefan Jacoby, head of General Motors International Operations, said the decision to end Holden’s local manufacturing would have happened even if the government had agreed to continued support.”

    More: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/gm-australian-car-manufacturing-had-to-end-20150113-12narp.html

  155. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 4:00 pm

    believes it was the only decision to make

    As I have said before, that is what you call putting lipstick on a pig, after the event.

    Mike Deveraux showed the numbers that had that very man saying go for it, until Mike Deveraux showed him hockey in #QT, at which time they both agreed to pull the plug.

    Statements after the fact are clouded by events created by a belligerent grubmint

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 4:09 pm

    Too many words in that, TR, well, she is a woman of substance abuse.

    Simply “she is a woman” is quite enough for the Mysoginist Liberal Party … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Abbott should put an end to all this negativity and criticism and call a double dissolution election now.

    Yes … please!

    If they’re quick enough they could make it a double dissolution – double election and I’d only need to go to the polls on Saturday!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … to end Holden’s local manufacturing …

    FFS! It was GENERAL MOTORS USA Australia branch … Holden died decades ago …

  157. January 28, 2015 4:18 pm

    “FFS! It was GENERAL MOTORS USA Australia branch … Holden died decades ago …”

    That would be news to all the Holden dealers, and Holden Ltd itself.

  158. January 28, 2015 4:20 pm

    “As I have said before, that is what you call putting lipstick on a pig, after the event.”

    That’s what you say. And, of course, after all your “Hockey killed Holden” declarations, you would say that, wouldn’t you?

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2015 4:35 pm

    Yeah! The employees thought there were 2 options.

    Option 1. Make some changes and remain in paid employment.
    Option 2. Don’t bother to change because taxpayers should cough up.

    That worked out well.

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 4:56 pm

    What can I say …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/the-super-rich-are-planning-their-escape-in-case-of-an-uprising/story-e6frfmci-1227199777221

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That would be news to all the Holden dealers, and Holden Ltd itself.

    Its been called GMh for many years now Holden is/was just a name for decades … its called marketing the marque …

    General Motors is a yankee company not Australian … like Ford … Nissan and Toyota come from?

    However we lose expertise, training (apprentice and traineeships), plant and equipment, small business opportunities and the ability to manufacture “other products” if the world gets even more crazy …

    Yeah! The employees thought there were 2 options.

    I’ve never worked for a company yet that allowed workers to make board room decisions … but I have worked for companies where boardrooms have made some bloody awful decisions …

  161. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 5:16 pm

    That’s what you say.

    Why, because it is a fact (imo 😉 )?

    Yeah! The employees thought there were 2 options.

    Dumb plebs, should have banked on the nuclear option of hockey telling them to get fucked

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 7:07 pm

    Queensland LNP MP Andrew Laming said the idea of knights and dames was “anachronistic” and “caused an enormous amount of confusion about what the issues are”.

    NSW Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce stopped short of supporting the idea but said “I don’t think the world is going to collapse around our ears because of this”.

    Concerns about Mr Abbott’s political judgment and poor polling results are expected to be raised at the first Coalition partyroom meeting of the year in Canberra early next month.

    The PM is also likely to face tough questions from the media on Monday when he fronts up give the National Press Club’s keynote speech.

    Malcolm Fraser

    Duke should not be a knight of our realm

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/tony-abbotts-friends-in-partyroom-and-media-desert-him/story-fnisprwn-1227199289366

    BTW, Mal, no-one should …. medieval crap!

  163. January 28, 2015 7:24 pm

    ““Western Imperialism” is passé,”

    Tell it to 50’s era Mossadegh Iran, speaking of fomenting the perfect conditions for religious extremism.

  164. January 28, 2015 7:31 pm

    “The co-payment is designed to undermine bulk billing [universal health care] by stealth,”

    Indeed!

    With the added benefit of forcing the GP’s to do the onerous task of tax collection for the ideologues in charge.

    Most here would be aware that an immediate family member of mine is a GP. They are far from supportive of AbbottCorp’s ideological intrusions into health.
    Their front desk staff being on the frontline of public abuse, confusion & general unrest regarding the debacle of alterations proposed (and that’s before they’ve even had to start asking for more money from patients).

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 7:31 pm

    ““Western Imperialism” is passé,”

    So is Medieval Religious Fervor …

  166. January 28, 2015 7:40 pm

    Rupert is off the hook for the 830 large so now he wants more tension in the string as Pinocchio is outa control

  167. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 7:44 pm

    she must do her patriotic duty and resign.

    Says the fucken american

  168. January 28, 2015 7:46 pm

  169. January 28, 2015 7:50 pm

    Tom R what about all the fucking Uppity Muppits here and those hiding under rocks claiming the Murdoch thing is leftist paranoia?… Both Murdoch and Abbott have synchronous brain explosions..Would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking scary…

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:04 pm

    Have confirmed that, beyond tweets, Rupert Murdoch has raised his concerns about the shortcomings of the Abbott Government directly with PM.

    So just who IS running MY fkn country?

  171. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2015 8:08 pm

    So just who IS running MY fkn country?

    I’d have thought that was obvious 😉

    https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/abbott-murdoch-ipa-dinner.jpg?w=545&h=770

  172. January 28, 2015 9:31 pm

    “So just who IS running MY fkn country?”

    Just as I suspected. Nothing (new) to see here. (Back to catching up on my recorded programs. BTW, recommendation: The Knick. Don’t say I don’t give you guys a leg-up from time to time.)

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2015 10:01 pm

    “Most here would be aware that an immediate family member of mine is a GP. They are far from supportive of AbbottCorp’s ideological intrusions into health.
    Their front desk staff being on the frontline of public abuse, confusion & general unrest regarding the debacle of alterations proposed

    I doubt if this would have been brought in if the budget was in good shape. The Coalition never gets in with the budget in good shape. It is always trashed by the wrecking party ie ALP

  174. January 28, 2015 10:14 pm

    Exsibitz uno King fucking Muppet ^^^^^^^ Its not the ideology of a useless out of his depth PM elected on a litany of lies including the supreme lie of budget black holes ( the only of which is between the ears of the fiscal incompetent treasurer and the profound idiotic PM)…..

    its Labors fault they are dismantling healthcare…

    Nils is pathetic 🙄

  175. January 28, 2015 10:30 pm

    Andrew Bolt either believes this is a stupid move, or has sniffed the wind. He’s bagging Abbott for his Prince Philip “captain’s pick”.

    (He’s also criticising Murdoch for calling for Credlin’s sacking.)

    I, myself, don’t think it’s any big deal. Australia is just one in a string of Commonwealth countries that have done the same.

    Besides, those who disagree with his reintroduction of knighthoods and damehoods, and don’t accord them any value, shouldn’t care less to whom they are given. The reaction on twitter, where the emphasis was on portraying Prince Phillip as a Nazi sympathiser and worse, was entirely predictable. Any misstep by Abbott would be amplified, retweeted, and exaggerated. All’s fair in love and political warfare, right?

    It was a stupid political decision by Abbott, though. A smart “captains pick” would have appealed to a majority of voters, not the small minority to which this might appeal. It’s as if he’s taking all the best advice – then doing the exact opposite.

  176. January 28, 2015 10:43 pm

    “It was a stupid political decision by Abbott, though. A smart “captains pick” would have appealed to a majority of voters, not the small minority to which this might appeal. It’s as if he’s taking all the best advice – then doing the exact opposite.”

    Indeed.

  177. January 28, 2015 10:49 pm

    You listened to Bolt on the radio, I presume?

    I think he could smell the stench on Abbott for the last qtr of 2014.

    Abbott should really consider his chips cashed, when the likes of Bolt, Devine & the rest of that partisan cabal have turned on him.

    The Sir Duke thing isn’t a big deal, but certainly is another nail in the coffin of his public credibility (not to mention his [apparently] evaporating support from other members within AbbottCorp).

  178. January 28, 2015 10:55 pm

    Tony.. I know i’m gonna regret this.. but why the fuck would you read anything that Bolt writes…??
    He is a shit writer, not politically astute and of no creditable conviction.
    Really who gives a fuck what he thinks? He’s a coward who wont debate the big minds.

  179. Walrus - Far East Correspondent permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:14 pm

    greetings this evening from mountainous Vietnam North.

    Good news is my stomach has improved.

    Bad news is last night a landslide blocked our road for 2 for days so we cannot move our convoy along. Not to worry too much as we are doing plenty of elevated house building where we are . Good quality timber is he problem here.

    Anyway still freezing here and wet. Someone else should have chosen a better time to do this stuff. As my Yankemate besides me says say “snafu ”

    Anyway sitting in a warehouse with mobile coverage in and out

    Picture this The petrol bowsers are in the old long range fuel tanks of warplanes of many years ago cutdown used as petrol pumps in concrete and have Stars and Stripes on them.

    Anyway I’m here with 45 cat licks, baptists, Buddhists from oz, Canada and usa . I think I’m the only agnostic Catlick here.

    No atheists. Not surprised with that thoughLOL

    Anyway Batt low ciao

  180. January 28, 2015 11:35 pm

    Abbott is a dead man walking, So a woman who stood in a court acting for an Asbestos company that said “just because they are dying does not entitle them to special treatment”.. has a run for the top job?

    A lightweight foreign minister at best who’s major achievement is to close the Australia network as instructed and she’s a contender? .. What exactly does she bring to the table as PM? What are her credentials? its my job to know and I’m at a loss.

    Does 12 months living off the back of Rudd ‘s security council post she was so vehemently opposed doing fuck all qualify her?

    What qualify’s her to run the joint? What is her core ethos?..Where is her ability, runs on the board? Convince me.. she’s an intellectual lightweight at best, nothing published of note, no substantive initiatives, no macro policy vision or personal achievements in her public appointment? Who the fuck is the contender?
    Education minister? Science and training? all lightweight…

    And lets not forget here foray into treasury.. fuck me…

    I suspect more of the same from the vacuous intellectual black hole that defines this governments dysfunctional incompetence..a talentless echo idiom of anti intellectualism run by lightweights punching way above their weight.

  181. January 29, 2015 12:26 am

    When it comes to `bleating-without-wisdom`, we need look no further than the Tinfoil-Cubicle for todays working example.

    ””””Even if you`re right Tom R and Swan did have some way of paying down the debt,”””’

    #this is the SWAN-DEBT-DOUBLED-BY-TEABAGS-DEBT right.?

    +

    ””””a fair proportion of it has proved to be unnecessary and wasteful.””””

    #Proven by who.? Team-cheerers of some type.?

    +

    #We then get some `stock` blather with,

    ””””expenditure and revenue under pressure. Debt would again increase at a fast rate. It went from 0% to over 20 in pretty quick time.”””’#AND”””’Would you be comfortable with debt of (say) 50% of GDP””””

    #Trying to spook folks with phantom `gdp` questions, and equally phantom `expenditure` myths are the give-away, when (nearly) every other western-1st-world nation would gladly swap their debts, and all associated effects with Aust.

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:31 am

    “when (nearly) every other western-1st-world nation would gladly swap their debts, and all associated effects with Aust.

    Would they?? Interest rates on European and American debt is close to zero percent meaning it is easy to fund. Furthermore they have vast overseas assets to cover their debt and furthermore they can fund most of their debt from local sources.

    We have to fund 70% of our debt from foreigners and we have no vast overseas assets to cover our debt.

    The great achievement of the Howard/Costello govt in taking govt debt from 20% of GDP to zero was just a wasted effort. There is no point in the Coalition running surplus budgets because as soon as Labor gets back in they do nothing but trash the joint.

  183. January 29, 2015 7:15 am

    Nice to hear from you Walrus…

  184. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 7:50 am

    Interest rates on European and American debt is close to zero percent meaning it is easy to fund.

    wow, just wow 😯

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 8:01 am

    Why wow??

    Our interest rates are the highest in the world. If our bond rate is 2.5% and the Europeans is 0% who is going to have the most trouble paying off debt?

    I am not saying the Europeans are not in trouble but our problems will be worse if we keep borrowing.

  186. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 8:23 am

    Besides, those who disagree with his reintroduction of knighthoods and damehoods, and don’t accord them any value, shouldn’t care less to whom they are given.

    Personally, imo, I don’t give a fark about knightsndames. But, I do feel pissed off when, on our national day, our pommie(?) pm wastes time and effort thanking another pommie git with another pommie invention instead of acknowledging our own people in our own way.

    Of course, the argument can be made that he did hand out other awards that day, but, it got kind of overshadowed by his grandstanding. It belittled our national day (not the first time he has done this). And, there appears to be a growing feeling that he is doing this on purpose, simply to rub peoples noses in it.

    And in that vain 🙂

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/01/28/defence-tony-abbott-15-other-people-wed-see-receive-knighthoods

  187. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 8:51 am

    Wow, it’s almost as if we share an office 😯

    You know what I get sick of?

    I am sick of hearing people complain about the need for a progressive government with big bold ideas, a solid direction, and the courage to lead us. Hearing this moaning shits me to tears.

    What really irks me about this pissing and moaning is that we actually had that government, and instead of appreciating it, we held it up for ridicule. When I say “we” I mean the bulk of Australia led on by a main stream media with their own motives.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/good-ol-days-did-australia-mock-the-government-it-longs-for/

  188. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 8:58 am

  189. January 29, 2015 9:39 am

    Would they?? Interest rates on European and American debt is close to zero percent meaning it is easy to fund. .

    Moron

    Furthermore they have vast overseas assets to cover their debt and furthermore they can fund most of their debt from local sources.

    We have to fund 70% of our debt from foreigners and we have no vast overseas assets to cover our debt. The great achievement of the Howard/Costello govt in taking govt debt from 20% of GDP to zero was just a wasted effort.

    Moron.. Yeah by selling assets… like Qld Costellos answer for everything, sell it..
    Like in QLD…

    There is no point in the Coalition running surplus budgets because as soon as Labor gets back in they do nothing but trash the joint

    What like doubling the deficit (that you are anally fixated on) and building Fuck all then cutting jobs and services…???

    See it’s cretins like this Nil knob that are brainwashed by the lies of imbeciles like Abbott, Hokey, Costello and Howard and no amount of WB40 truth serum will shift the rusted on nut…

    Simplistic economics and lies are enough for them to offer themselves ass up without lubricant chanting the virtues of their defilers as they willingly cop the rogering castigating those who complain.

    “Oh Its necessary they ass ream me because of the heavy grifting.. plus I don’t like any other flavour of shit but fiberal brown… If you dont take one for team Australia you are a Commo Leftie…

    Fucking grow up Nils

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:12 am

    Kevin Andrews for PM?

  191. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:28 am

    Kevin Andrews for PM?

    Should we be getting a sweeps going?

    he basically has no friends left.

    couldn’t happen to a nicer guy lol

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:33 am

    It was a stupid political decision by Abbott, though.

    LOL! After expending 200+ words on telling us it was “nothing” …

    A smart “captains pick” would have appealed to a majority of voters

    You do realise that is an impossibility … ? A majority of voters dislike the very concept of sirs and dames … only someone trapped in Never Never Land would …

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:35 am

    Fact is this country is stuffed if Labor gets back in. Nothing Labor does works.

    Look at car manufacturing. It went from 25% local production to 10% local production in 6 years.

    “when (nearly) every other western-1st-world nation would gladly swap their debts, and all associated effects with Aust.”

    Thankfully we had Howard/Costello in power from 1996-2007. When we were paying off debt the Europeans were racking it up.

    Nobody but the Coalition would have paid off any Australian debt from 1996-2007.

    Of course the people who do nothing but trash the joint now brag about our low debt.

    The ALP is the party of unemployment and debt and trashing things and destroying the lives of people..

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:37 am

    I think I’m the only agnostic Catlick here.

    No atheists. Not surprised with that thoughLOL

    LOL! “agnostic” what?! LOL!

    The Holy Church of Oxymoron … LOL!

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:45 am

    Like the ALP turned to a vote winner (Rudd, who they apparently hated) out of self interest, so too will the Libs.

    Abbott will get another year+, but then Turnbull if they still look like getting slaughtered.

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:54 am

    Turnbull would make a good Treasurer. Abbott should get rid of Hockey and make Turnbull Treasurer.

    But Turnbull would not make a good Coalition leader.

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:02 am

    “But Turnbull would not make a good Coalition leader.”

    The way politics is played these days winning is the only thing. The ALP brought back Rudd despite telling us how dysfunctional he was. The Libs will choose as leader the person they think will win votes at the next elections regardless of their competence or sanity. In fact there is no one on the front bench that meets either of those criteria anyway.

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:07 am

    Mate if Greens/Labor people say that Turnbull would make a good Coalition leader, is all the evidence i need that Turnbull would be a disaster as leader.

    But Turnbull would make a great Treasurer

  199. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:10 am

    In fact there is no one on the front bench that meets either of those criteria anyway.

    Turnbull might have. He was/is the darling of the ‘left’ for some god knows reason.

    But, I think that email-gate (which Labor would/should use against him mercilessly), his support of the last budget (plenty of soundbites out there)and his destruction of the NBN will leave him worst for wear.

    And, the libs true leader has already pointed to his chosen vessel. His papers have been extolling her virtues for months now.

    When the sweeps get going, my moneys on Bishop.

    Labor should then launch an attack on asbestos companies 🙂

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:14 am

    Wow, TomR the man who voted for the party that drove local car manufacturing from 25% of the market in 2007 to 10% of the market in 2013 makes a comment.

    Have you any idea how many lives you have destroyed because of your vote in 2007??

  201. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:24 am

    wow nIl, just wow 😯

  202. January 29, 2015 11:28 am

    ”””A smart ”captains pick” would”””

    #require a `smart captain` being available at the time

    +

    ””””A majority of voters dislike the very concept of sirs and dames””””

    #That`s coz they can`t find the `silver-lining`, l am thoroughly enjoying the unhinging of rupert, bolt and mandy-d caused by mr-rabbits stumbling on knightsdames and tripping-up on hood-ornaments. The teabags are stuck with their imbecile, the `show` is only just beginning!

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:40 am

    TomR

    We may have been able to save car manufacturing in Australia.

    But YOUR vote in 2007 drove local sales from 25% to 10%.

    And with 10% of the market it was all over red rover.

  204. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:42 am

    the `show` is only just beginning!

    dat true

    And yes, it does look like our media will be going through another period of unhingement.

    Just another by-product of picking sides I guess 😉

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:46 am

    Abbott will get another year+, but then Turnbull if they still look like getting slaughtered. ToM

    But, I think that email-gate (which Labor would/should use against him mercilessly), his support of the last budget (plenty of soundbites out there)and his destruction of the NBN will leave him worst for wear. TR

    I think both comments above have an element of truth in them …

    What keeps going around in my head is that the possible candidates have all supported Tha Abbott’s stupidity and naivety for over a year now … they are no better than he is …

    Whoever they pick – and “everyone” is saying it should happen and I mean “everyone” – may initially shift the polls slightly … but I think the damage has already been done … and the next budget will seal this government’s fate at the next election …

  206. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:47 am

    But YOUR vote in 2007 drove local sales from 25% to 10%

    You really are a nIl with a capital I nIl 😆

    I won’t point out AGAIN why 😉

  207. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2015 11:48 am

    have all supported Tha Abbott’s stupidity and naivety for over a year now

    Yes, but Bishops protection is she has been overseas for much of that time, and so has missed most of the budgetary fallout association with herself

    imo 😉

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 12:03 pm

    Point, TR …

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2015 12:28 pm

    Have you any idea how many lives you have destroyed because of your vote in 2007??

    Neil’s succumbed to his discombobulation, euthanasia is the kindest really, otherwise it’s nothing but foaming gibberish, who needs to see that indignity.

  210. January 29, 2015 12:32 pm

    “”Bishops protection is she has been overseas for much of that time””

    She also refuses to have anything to do with Peta Credlin…

    Politics hasn’t been this much fun since, oh I can’t remember when…

    It’s truly uplifting to see the great unhinging unfold!

    Abbott is finished, but I hope they don’t replace him, just so that he can suffer the humiliation of electoral annihilation in 2016..

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/28/credlin-abbotts-saviour/

  211. January 29, 2015 12:33 pm

    “”it’s nothing but foaming gibberish””

    Indeed. Which is why I tend to just scroll on by Neil’s comments….

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 12:38 pm

    Abbott is finished, but I hope they don’t replace him, just so that he can suffer the humiliation of electoral annihilation in 2016..

    Absofknlutely!

    Someone should arrange to throw bras and panties at him … tho’ he’d probably think that was a compliment …

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 12:53 pm

    “I won’t point out AGAIN why

    Wow . I have not heard that one before. So it was the GFC that drove local car sales from 25% of the market to 10% under Rudd/ Gillard.

    How about this possibility? Australian made cars are shit and nobody wants to buy shit?

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2015 1:00 pm

    Why do we bother having elections at all, seems rupert murdoch is the permanently elected dictator of australia. It’s actually quite jaw droppingly incredible how he, a foreign national, feels he can interfere and campaign in our politics.Why isn’t abbott telling him to piss off?
    Abbott is looking so weak, isolated and powerless, there’s little point in him carrying on as PM.

    nil’s gone to shit.

  215. January 29, 2015 1:03 pm

    Turnbull would make a good Treasurer. Abbott should get rid of Hockey and make Turnbull Treasurer.
    But Turnbull would not make a good Coalition leader.

    Yeah inside traders who made his polly mates rich with deals like Worldcom would be fantastic.. you have such amazing insight and judgement.

    Should have asked Kerry packer a man that made billions on his word sealed with a handshake which was apparently above vertically challenged “moderate in sheep’s clothing” Mal.

    (PS: I have it on good authority that the Leather Jacket he wears is from the skins of former Goldman Sachs investors)

    Yeah a former director of Goldman Sachs would make a cracking treasurer genius.. he may have the inside scoop on the securities and loan frauds that created the GFC

    Turnbull would not make a good Coalition leader.

    Are you suffering from selective amnesia… You really aren’t that bright are you Nils?

    Indeed. Which is why I tend to just scroll on by Neil’s comments….

  216. January 29, 2015 1:15 pm

    I was reading that article from your link AO and then I looked up and realised I was reading THE AUSTRALIAN!!

  217. January 29, 2015 1:18 pm

    This one is fcuking hilarious reb,

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/28/credlin-abbotts-saviour/

    ””””’One News Corp columnist argued that, despite her having no part in the knighthood decision, Ms Credlin should be held responsible for not protecting Tony Abbott from his lapse in political judgement.””””’

    # l repeat,

    ”””despite her having no part in the knighthood decision, Ms Credlin should be held responsible for”””’

    ””not protecting Tony Abbott from his lapse in political judgement.””

    #Show-Time! #Only Limited-News Hob-Goblins will be providing us this level of comedy! #Guffaw

  218. January 29, 2015 1:36 pm

    “”This one is fcuking hilarious reb,””

    Indeed it is bagz!

    It’s all Credlin’s fault for advising/not advising Abbott.

    The Libs are in complete and utter fkn meltdown mode.

    Apparently, according to teh media, the leadership contenders are:

    1. Malcolm Turnbull
    2. Julie Bishop
    3. Scott Morrison
    4. Kevin Andrews

    (Hockey was listed at something like seventh place).

  219. January 29, 2015 2:42 pm

    Limited News Hob-Goblin comedy with Niki Savva,

    ””””As one senior member of the government put it, choosing a leader = is not so much about deciding who is the best candidate,””””

    ””’but who is the least worst.”””

    #a common problem among zombies l imagine

    +

    ”””Turnbull is hated inside the party as much as he is admired outside = it.”””

    #just not among nbn-nerds niki

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2015 3:22 pm

    I was reading that article from your link AO and then I looked up and realised I was reading THE AUSTRALIAN!!

    I know reb, the australian!
    You couldn’t have dreamed up a more perfect wedge if you tried. Rupert’s attack dogs would normally have come out all guns blazing to protect abbott, but they can’t attack their boss or their usual congo team of suckholes [bolt, devine etc] They can’t even blame labor for the mess.
    They are gonna be so mad, grrrr!

    Rupert and his electronic graffiti 😆

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 3:32 pm

    “They can’t even blame labor for the mess.”

    What mess?? I will admit Abbott made a poor choice and for a leader that is bad because one poor choice may lead to another poor choice.

    But nobody died because of the award Abbott gave Prince Philip.

    The only mess i am aware of is what the Labor Party/Greens left the Australian people in 2013.

    I am starting to think ALP/Greens voters are psychopaths because they do not care about other people or the mess they create.

  222. January 29, 2015 3:46 pm

    “”What mess??””

    I can’t stop laughing…

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 3:54 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-election-2015-newman-cuts-short-tour-after-bad-poll-news/story-fnr8rfrw-1227200637108

    However, Annastacia Palaszczuk, committed a dumb gaffe (is that tautology?) when she couldn’t answer a question on radio … “What is the current GST rate … ?”

    So after 15 years she still doesn’t know … that really is frightening …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “”What mess??””

    I can’t stop laughing…

    Me too – I just read it! 🙂

    LOL! LOL!

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:10 pm

    “I can’t stop laughing…

    Why do you want to laugh at our record increase in govt debt??

    Rudd/Gillard started a runaway train

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:31 pm

    “”What mess??””

    Really, it is a little untidy-
    • Has the budget passed yet?
    • Is the GP co payment on or off?
    • Did Abbott break any election pledges?
    • Why would a prince of the UK become an Australian knight?

    The last point is a hilarious self inflicted wound. Few people like knights and dames and even those that do like them don’t think the Queen’s husband is 3rd or 4th in line for one. It’s unfortunate that Abbott has proved to be a complete drongo.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:44 pm

    “• Has the budget passed yet?
    • Is the GP co payment on or off?

    Exactly. But Abbott does not have the numbers to get his policies through the Senate. Perhaps it is time we do something about the Senate. If a party wins govt perhaps they can get some policies through the Senate even if they don’t have the numbers.

    The ALP said Abbott was Dr No when in Opposition but he supported most legislation. And it did not matter. Abbott did not have the numbers to stop any legislation.

    The ALP is not helping at all cleaning up the mess they created.

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:49 pm

    In reality Neil, Gillard got plenty of legitimate criticism for dumping her election pledges.

    Abbott didn’t go to the election on the basis of implementing a GP co payment, cutting the ABC or undermining funding of university education (for example). Then he tops it off with a cloying anachronistic imperial honours system that rewards British royalty.

    He’s a dope.

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 4:51 pm

    Abbott needs a good shirtfronting …

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 6:10 pm

    “He’s a dope.

    Maybe so but the Coalition is this countries only hope.

    It was just pointed out to me that the Queensland State govt debt is bigger than NSW and Victoria combined. And QLD has a much smaller population

    Before Labor won office Queensland had one of the lowest debts in the Commonwealth. After beattie/Bligh finished with the place they have the highest.

    I am sick to death of paying higher taxes because of ALP incompetence.

  230. January 29, 2015 6:19 pm

    “”it is a little untidy””

    🙂

  231. January 29, 2015 6:21 pm

    “”I am sick to death of paying higher taxes because of ALP incompetence.””

    Maybe you should write to your local member?

  232. January 29, 2015 6:37 pm

    Neil, you don’t seem to realise that you concede rational defence every time you start back with your ridiculous personal blaming of Australia’s woes on how individuals may have voted in 2007.

    It’s almost like you think if we had a perpetual Howardian dictatorship, Long May He Suffer Reign!, then everything would be simply Utopian.

    Dense.

  233. January 29, 2015 6:49 pm

    Neil has a cute way of compartmentalising the damage done by those he’s welded his indefensible implacable ‘logic’ onto.
    Presumably so it doesn’t leak into his brain & cloud his tunnel vision, or cause an outbreak of impartial thought.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 6:58 pm

    “”I am sick to death of paying higher taxes because of ALP incompetence.””

    But quite happy to pay for wars and weapons from overseas …

    Dense …

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 7:30 pm

    The ALP provides the best difference between wisdom and knowledge.

    Lots of ALP supporters are highly intelligent and can pass exams very easily.

    But when there are 10 policies to pick from and you are only allowed to pick one the wise man will pick the correct one and the intelligent man will pick the wrong one.

    And that describes the ALP perfectly.

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2015 7:46 pm

    Lots of ALP supporters are highly intelligent and can pass exams very easily.

    Well, that proves I’m not an ALP supporter … 🙄

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2015 10:15 pm

    Neil, you don’t seem to realise that you concede rational defence every time you start back with your ridiculous personal blaming of Australia’s woes on how individuals may have voted in 2007.”

    No.

    Your comment is your own way of washing your hands of all the disaster caused by Rudd/Gillard.

    Anybody with any brains knew that Labor would trash the budget and trash our borders.

  238. January 30, 2015 12:08 am

    * A little untidy 😉 Drivers Dogs breakfast Tom..
    * Crisis what crisis?

    The ALP provides the best difference between wisdom and knowledge.
    Lots of ALP supporters are highly intelligent and can pass exams very easily.
    But when there are 10 policies to pick from and you are only allowed to pick one the wise man will pick the correct one and the intelligent man will pick the wrong one.
    And that describes the ALP perfectly.

    Not to brag but I finished my last two degrees with a HD average and took a few Phyc subjects…

    Me thinks this simpleton has blown a head gasket dispensing that “wisdom”

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 30, 2015 12:28 am

    Anybody with any brains knew that Labor would trash the budget and trash our borders.

    Anyone with any brains knew that abbott would be a ridiculous choice for PM and would be our worst PM ever..

  240. public toilet permalink
    January 30, 2015 3:39 am

    What ao said ^^^.

    I hold Neil responsible for everything that’s happened since Abbott got elected on a tide of ‘Anyone but the ALP ‘.

  241. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2015 8:21 am

    I hold Neil responsible

    Yes, but is that speaking from your knowledge, wisdom, or gut 😉

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