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Why the Liberals Shouldn’t Abandon Tony Abbott

February 2, 2015

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Despite the annihilation of the LNP Govt in Queensland over the weekend, Senior Liberals have mounted a defence of Tony Abbott’s beleaguered leadership, warning government ministers against treating the prime ministership like a game of “pass the parcel”.

George Brandis, Julie Bishop and Barnaby Joyce have thrown their support behind the PM, with Joyce prepared to “bet his house” that Tony Abbott will lead the government to the next election, a gamble he may later come to regret.

Bizarrely, LNP supporters insist that the only failing they can be accused of is “failing to get the message across” to the Australian public, or for failing “to bring the public along with them” as they attempt to impose harsh austerity measures on those who can least afford it while the wealthy and big business get off relatively scot-free.

It’s the height of hubris to suggest that the Australian public have failed to “appreciate” what they would have us believe as being for our better good – massive cuts to health and education, slashing funds to public broadcasting, increasing the cost of seeing a GP, increasing the costs of higher education, and more recently proposing to slash penalty rates for low-income earners who work weekends.

I for one, sincerely hope that as many Liberals maintain, Mr Abbott remain in the top job until the election as he’s the best friend the Labor party ever had, and besides as the Liberal Party has always believed, when it comes to facing adversity it’s not in their DNA to “cut and run.”

Today, the Prime Minister will layout his plans for the next 12 months, and no doubt he will admit that while he acknowledges that a “couple of mistakes” have been made a long the way, he intends to take a more “consultative approach” and do what’s best for Australia’s future.

Unfortunately, for Tony, it’s a refrain we’ve heard all too often, and we all know it doesn’t last and he simply returns to form.

So, his leadership is undoubtedly finished, but for the sake of what’s only right and fair, he should be allowed the privilege of taking his leadership to the next election so that everything he has stood for and continues to stand for while insisting he knows what is right over and above everyone else is trampled with the public ignominy he so richly deserves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:10 am

    Mmmm … I was looking for a spot for this … even Malcolm Farr don’t get it …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-needs-to-change-his-leadership-if-he-is-to-survive/story-fncynjr2-1227204573453

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:12 am

    And BTW, check out the Abbott vid shot at the top of the article … anyone know what tugging yer earlobe indicates? 😉

  3. February 2, 2015 10:19 am

    From TB’s link…

    “”TONY Abbott today will argue for his political survival in a nationally televised speech backdropped by polling showing his government is being savagely rejected by voters.””

    Voters have already turned off.

    This will be a speech primarily aimed at his own rallying his own party to support him.

    A few people on twitter have speculated whether Laurie Oakes will be in the audience. Apparently he doesn’t ordinarily attend the NPC lunches, but when he does it usually signals the death knell of the leader.

    Another good thing about today’s lunch is that Tony won’t be able to run away when the questions get tough.

    This is his make or break performance.

  4. February 2, 2015 10:26 am

    “Another good thing about today’s lunch is that Tony won’t be able to run away when the questions get tough.”

    Let’s hope that the questions do indeed get tough. There needs to be some recompense from a press corps which generally failed to apply the blowtorch to Abbott prior to his ascendancy.
    I’d say he’s irreparably damaged, and his Party along with him. Not because they’re poor communicators, but because almost every move they’ve tried to pass off as ‘necessary’ has in fact been deemed ideologically motivated and unfair by the majority.

    If they really start to make audible public noises about dismantling IR, watch them plumb even deeper depths.

  5. February 2, 2015 10:28 am

    “Well, er. um Reb, er thank you for, er, your insights and, er, endorsement of my, er, leadership, that’s er, one word, er leadership not er two words as er in lead and then er er ship. A bit er, like our er, policies, um not quite clear some, um have suggested. But er Reb, I need to er, know, which is, er, the, um, sexier, er Julie or er Peta? Let me know on #abbottknowsbestsosodoffallofyou.

  6. February 2, 2015 10:29 am

    I love how Rupert, and (coincidentally, I’m sure) almost the entire cabal of conservative commentators in this country have turned on him this week; although todays contributions see some measured backpeddaling, obfuscation & apologia on the breeze.

    What time is his public humiliation televised (on the ABC, I assume?) ?

    I may even watch him squirm a little.

  7. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:40 am

    Let’s hope that the questions do indeed get tough. There needs to be some recompense from a press corps which generally failed to apply the blowtorch to Abbott prior to his ascendancy.

    That, imo, will be the only interesting bit today. Will the media recognise their mistakes of the past, or will they double down on them.

    My moneys on them continuing the protection racket.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:52 am

    This is his make or break performance.

    More like refund or replace … he can’t be repaired …

    … but because almost every move they’ve tried to pass off as ‘necessary’ has in fact been deemed ideologically motivated and unfair by the majority.

    Indeed … its nice to see Australia does still exist as a society … and no matter what Joe sprouts there’s enough competent economists to tell us that the economy is fine … and the budget is not a big scary thing … BOO!

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:54 am

    “What time is his public humiliation televised (on the ABC, I assume?) ?”

    LOL! @ Toillette … 🙂

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:55 am

    My moneys on them continuing the protection racket.

    Won’t that depend on Rupert’s instructions?

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:56 am

    The next election would be a good one for the Coalition to lose.

    It is almost certain we will lose our AAA credit rating within the next few years and the govt the credit rating downgrade happens under will get the blame.

    Better if it happens under Labor

  12. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:14 am

    and the govt the credit rating downgrade happens under will get the blame.

    reality need not apply

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:22 am

    Beats me why anybody would want Labor in power. Hawke/Keating was as good as it gets for Labor and the economic numbers under Hawke/Keating were a disaster.

    ALP/Greens supporters are psychopaths. They just don’t care about the damage they do to the lives of people or the country as long as Labor is in power.

    Like i said it would be good for the Coalition to lose the next election because it is almost certain Australia will lose our AAA credit rating within the next few years

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:33 am

    They just don’t care about the damage they do to the lives of people or the country …

    And how has your life been damaged, Kneel?

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:51 am

    It would be delicious to see the government despatched by the voters under Abbott’s leadership. Either way there are no happy endings to this story. Voters are sick of cynical lying opportunists and any replacement leader will still be leading a government of that cast. It is not about selling the message. First there has to be a message other than “I want power for its own sake.”

  16. February 2, 2015 11:51 am

    “ALP/Greens supporters are psychopaths”

    Neil ably demonstrates that he doesn’t comprehend what a ‘psycopath’ is.

    Then goes on to demonstrate that it’s ‘good’ if the Coalition lose the next election (I doubt the Coalition would be rationalising things suchlike). Guffaw!

    What a unique way of compartmentalising abject failure by the Team he welded himself to.

  17. February 2, 2015 11:52 am

    What splatter said!

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:54 am

    How about high unemployment from 1983-1996.

    How about the humungous debt Rudd/Gillard racked up for nothing in return

    How about the refugees stuck in UNHCR camps who we would have taken instead of the country shoppers we got under Rudd/Gillard

    How about the wasteful spending of locking up record numbers of asylum seekers.
    And we have spent an extra $12B on housing all these people. Yes that is $12B- most probably more money than on the F-35’s

    WE had 6 asylum seekers in detention in 2007.

    What worries me is that most Labor voters do not think debt is a problem. They say since we are sovereign in our currency we can pay the bills by printing money

  19. February 2, 2015 11:54 am

    “Voters are sick of cynical lying opportunists”

    I think this is a very positive development, and may well constitute the only way we’ll ever hold the bastards (of either stripe) to account.
    Now the pollies just need to learn their lesson.

    Abbott thinks social media is graffiti…when really he can’t see the elephant in the room.
    The immediacy of social media means that politicians no longer have anywhere to hide.

  20. February 2, 2015 11:56 am

    Now Neil is speaking for ‘most Labor voters’, to rationalise his absurd position.

    What about those of us who aren’t adherents to the ALP, Neil?

    The world is nowhere near as monotone as you pretend it is.

  21. February 2, 2015 11:57 am

    FWIW, I loathe the South Australian Labor government.

    The only thing keeping them in power is a longterm, utterly dysfunctional Liberal Opposition.

  22. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 12:47 pm

    Abbott thinks social media is graffiti…when really he can’t see the elephant in the room.
    The immediacy of social media means that politicians no longer have anywhere to hide.

    Exactly tb, even rupert with all his media enterprises that are obliged to report his view has taken to the free internet, namely twitter to voice his often ridiculed opinions!

    It is social media that is changing politics, no more of the one way dialogue that the political parties like where they tell us what to think and what we should know. The social media response is immediate and often more researched than anything the journalists transcribe.

    Breaking down the cosy symbiotic relationship between the press club journos and the pollies that they are meant to scrutinise.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 12:50 pm

    fark
    watching the abott press club, and it’s abbott govt, abbott govt, abbott govt , abbott govt!
    we’ve stopped the boats!
    [how would anyone know as there is no scrutiny allowed]

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 12:55 pm

    😆

    they are going to work on economic situation this year. They’ve already done the hard work on the budget [dont know how as not much through the senate] so no need to take from the family budget. Focus on SAH mums like margie was and careers for girls like his daughters!
    fck fck fck

    child care – yes, women are the greatest things ever and must be supported!

  25. February 2, 2015 12:57 pm

  26. February 2, 2015 12:58 pm

    Me too AO.

    It’s gold – it’s a shambolic mess!

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:02 pm

    PPL killed
    economic growth is best and fastest way [IPA wish list is in]
    more communication, transparency and demonstrate change for the better.

    GST won’t change unless supported by bill shorten and opposition

    we’ve heard all his lies before though [he promised we’d stay the same when LNP came to govt]

    underscore again – boats stopped, roads started

    now hand on heart ‘every fibre of my being’ for keeping us secure and protecting us.

    abbott govt, this abbott govt

    questions now

  28. February 2, 2015 1:03 pm

    That was Abbott’s last public speech.

  29. February 2, 2015 1:10 pm

    lt`s the same old blathering at the Press-Club today folks. All Labor, Labor, Labor, Gulags and carbon-tax. #reheated.zombie

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:11 pm

    oooh hard one

    have you read or researched anything hat says lowering minimum wage creates more jobs?

    abbott – that’s not something we’re interested in.

  31. February 2, 2015 1:21 pm

    ””’moneys on them continuing the protection racket””’#ditto

    #mr-rabbit runs to `international` flavors in just about all his answers to questions, plane/ukraine/etc

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:24 pm

    abbott – I don’t like to run a commentary on myself!

    you contradicted mentor when you said voters hire and fire – howard said in hands of the party room
    [about time someone points out the true voter non participation in politics]

    would you take a knighthood if offered?

    abbott – yes and no [he’s offered that ridiculous answer a couple of times now]

    why didn’t you keep your consultative, collegiality promises you made?

    I accept my two capt’s calls, accept I probably overdid it on awards
    i’ve listened learned and acted.

    you said no carbon tax under govt I lead, was that to your colleagues or to the opposition?

    abbott – a very cheeky question

    can you assure us no more capt’s picks?

    well, if airplane strike thing happened again i’d call it, I bravely called it. Can’t sometime wait for others when it comes to national security and atrocities. So basically no answer to that question.

    why don’t people seem to like you?
    I came to politics to do the right thing, not to be popular, made the tough calls

  33. February 2, 2015 1:32 pm

    Shorter Abbott…”LaborLaborLabor”…!!!

    How surprisement.

    Almost Neil-like…

  34. February 2, 2015 1:34 pm

    While mr-rabbit has blathered stock teabag answers and talk-points in opening speech. Teabag-media has not dug deep in questioning, preferring to stick with gentle quizzing and not produce the baseball bats. #timid.twits

  35. February 2, 2015 1:43 pm

    Ha Ha. The joke is on my abc which just `replayed` mr-rabbits answer to the question Toolman`tard asked him. Mr-rabbit repeated nearly every sentence like he was talking to a brain-damaged imbecile. #Suck.it.up.Tooman

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:43 pm

    can you guarantee that next time around you will meet the commitments you make?

    Can’t always keep the commitments, accept that broke abc/sbs commitment
    no mention of all the other broken promises. govt’s adjust when circumstances change [except when it’s gillard obviously]

    you do have serious threat to leadership, you panic or hold your ground, did you ask julie bishop to guarantee no challenge when you met last night?

    fluff, fluff, test of character, non-answer then back to julie – i have her full support

    disproportionate budget fairness, how long do you persist with those and what measures will you take for next budget?

    courteous constructive discussion for best and fairness outcome. I love fairness that’s why i’m here – but intergenerational theft, INTERGENERATIONAL THEFT, older australians are horrified, this generation of australians self indulgent,we have a mission to address, so will have another go at it, we owe it to the public.

    child care – what will it mean, your improving the system of multiple payments, please explain?

    labor will run a scare campaign, your job [the journo’s] is to hold all poltiicians and political parties to same standard of accountability – waffle about productivity commission etc and reports to come, scott morrison has plans.

    All I can say after that, is abbott really is stupid and blinkered, a plodding, dogmatic ideologue with no vision and no leadership qualities to offer us.

  37. February 2, 2015 1:44 pm

    He handled his Q&A session surprisingly well, but his speech was a mess.

    I suspect it will probably be enough to keep the saboteurs at bay (for the moment) which is a good thing.

  38. February 2, 2015 1:46 pm

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:50 pm

    That’s ok reb, no threat, did you see that kevin andrews is shadowing chaperoning her?

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:54 pm

    https://twitter.com/awelder/status/562080581693882368

  41. February 2, 2015 1:56 pm

    They’re determined to press on with implementation of policies which they didn’t take to the election, which public opinion would seem to suggest will not be tolerated. What a winning strategy.
    At least the IPA will feel gratified that he’s ‘holding the line’.

    Next time they make overt moves to fuck with people’s standard of living they’ll get spanked again. Particularly when they, inevitably, start in on IR.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 1:56 pm

  43. February 2, 2015 1:59 pm

    That whole ‘don’t run a media scare campaign’, coming from him, is rich indeed.

    There’s not enough sauce in all of Australia to make the shit sandwich AbbottCorp wants us all to sample taste appetising.

  44. February 2, 2015 2:00 pm

    “”did you see that kevin andrews is chaperoning her?””

    no but what a gruesome thought…

  45. February 2, 2015 2:01 pm

    The thing that struck me, was there was no hint on contrition…

    It was like a speech from 2013 – It’s all Labor’s fault, all Labor’s mess…. etc etc…

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 2:04 pm

    ABC reliving the speech and reminding us that abbott said

    the abbott families experience when kids were young is the same as every family now

    [except for abbott having free uni education, no need to work as student to pay for his study, wealthy parents and immediately gaining a well enough paying job to support family after uni]

  47. February 2, 2015 2:05 pm

    Exactly how I saw it too, reb.

    It’s like he was channeling Neil of Sydney.

  48. February 2, 2015 2:08 pm

    Carefully avoided mention of all broken promises, apart from cutting the ABC (a sop to make the Bolt’s of Australia feel aroused, no doubt), too he did.

    The real parallel between his low public acceptance & the Gillard government.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 2:10 pm

    It was like a speech from 2013 – It’s all Labor’s fault, all Labor’s mess…. etc etc…

    But when it boils down reb, isn’t that all the coalition have ever had ? It’s their MO?

    We all know that they can never tell the voters pre-election what they will propose in office or they will never be voted in, so they get into office by labor bad, labor bad, we’re great, we love and sympathise with all workers [don’t mention big business partners] and will give everyone everything they dream of.

  50. February 2, 2015 2:17 pm

    Quite frankly, l`d enjoy the irony (and-hysteria) if Joolee knifed him. #sharpen.up.joolee

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 2:20 pm

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 2:21 pm

  53. February 2, 2015 2:25 pm

    A direct quote from Bolt’s take on Abbott’s speech.

    “Verdict: It was very good.”

    One such as Bolt would be shitting himself at the prospect of a Turnbull resurgency. I don’t think Malcolm would want the poisoned chalice anyway.

    Enough support to keep Abbott front & centre until he can have his arse unceremoniously handed to him (presumably) in 2016. Very good then.

  54. February 2, 2015 2:28 pm

    “PM says Australians become “self-indulgent under Labor governments”. ”

    “he continues to blatantly insult anyone who doesn’t agree with or vote for him”

    Can we be sure that Abbott hasn’t been commenting here for years, under the NoS nom de plume?

  55. February 2, 2015 2:30 pm

    Wasn’t much of the ‘middle class welfare’, we’re supposedly so self indulgent over (which, I might add, I’ve never received) spawned under Howard’s vote bribery anyway?

  56. February 2, 2015 2:31 pm

    “”I saw TA beg for the job in 2010 -the public saw it today”””

    That’s GOLD!

  57. February 2, 2015 2:33 pm

    He also blamed Victorians for “absent mindedly” voting Labor back in.

    Rather arrogantly dismissive of him, I’d have thought.

  58. February 2, 2015 2:34 pm

  59. February 2, 2015 2:51 pm

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 2:55 pm

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 3:20 pm

    The thing that struck me, was there was no hint on contrition…

    Just finished watching it …

    Dead man walking …

    And the News Ltd, Aunt Sally’s, didn’t help at all …

  62. February 2, 2015 3:21 pm

  63. February 2, 2015 3:22 pm

    LULZ at that pic…

    How smug does Morriscunt look…

  64. February 2, 2015 3:24 pm

  65. February 2, 2015 3:29 pm

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 3:32 pm

    Maybe The Mad Monk should listen to Stephen Fry … Aussies like forthrightness – don’t we?

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/stephen-fry-calls-god-a-stupid-evil-selfish-maniac/story-e6frfmyi-1227204789990

  67. February 2, 2015 3:33 pm

  68. February 2, 2015 3:35 pm

    l wouldn`t be surprised if this was mr-talkbulls last `season` and quits at next election.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 3:36 pm

    Social media monstering sends potent political message to digital dinosaurs
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/social-media-monstering-sends-potent-political-message-to-digital-dinosaurs-20150202-133m9f.html

    Political donations are in. Lots of $ to lib party from businesses who want penalty rates removed.

  70. February 2, 2015 3:44 pm

    Nah, scratch JooLIE. She is crapping on about how her discussions with the poms over, bok-aram,isil tewwa-fearists, russia. More fcuking shit these dickheads dug themselves deep into.

  71. February 2, 2015 3:53 pm

    Ha ha. The kevin andrews zombie didn`t take too long before he said `death-cult`. They`re all prepare to sound like imbeciles at the drop of a hat. #shh-blib

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 3:53 pm

  73. February 2, 2015 3:55 pm

    If it’s a choice between Julie, Turnbull or Hockey as leader, I reckon they’ll go for Talcum.

    Julie doesn’t have the experience, Hockey has proven he is incompetent, and they know that Turnbull has the greatest potential to lure voters from Labor.

    The only thing going against Turnbull (depending on where you stand) is that the first thing he’ll do is get rid of fwits like Kevin Andrews…

  74. February 2, 2015 4:00 pm

    oh dear…

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:00 pm

    All the ALP barrackers always said Rudd was a psychopath, untrustworthy, he’d NEVER lead the party again. But in desperation they turned to him because he could give many a better chance of holding on to their jobs.

    For the same reasons the Libs will go with Turnbull.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:04 pm

    How can kevin andrews hair be so unnaturally black at his age?
    makes me wonder about him – vanity? good genes, naturally youthful?
    how old is he anyway?

  77. February 2, 2015 4:06 pm

    how old is he anyway?

    280, almost same age as Philip Ruddock.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:09 pm

    …Julie doesn’t have the experience…

    And besides, would the committed godbotherer fundies [who seem to be in a majority in the party] accept a reasonably progressive, non-married living-in-sin, barren female leader?

  79. February 2, 2015 4:10 pm

    Best question award goes to Mark Riley…

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:16 pm

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:23 pm

    Tony Abbott Kinda Crashed And Burned During His National Press Club Speech In Canberra Today
    Read more at http://junkee.com/tony-abbott-kinda-crashed-and-burned-during-his-national-press-club-speech-in-canberra-today/50201#o5FZbxiH5pmVvay4.99

    …The second half of Abbott’s speech, where he started talking about slightly different stuff, went from zero to completely bananas in about half a second when he got onto the topic of Islamist extremism and suddenly started sounding like a cross between Dick Cheney and Dolores Umbridge…

    …He called Australia’s debt level an “intergenerational theft,” which prompted approximately one billion people pointing out the existence of climate change on Twitter,…

    But the highlight of the day was this Lincolnian rhetorical flourish: “As I said so many times before the last election, we will end the waste, stop the boats, scrap the unnecessary new taxes and build the roads of the 21st Century. And the results? Waste down. Boats stopped. Carbon tax gone. And roads well and truly underway.” We did it. We broke him. He’s actually broken now…

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:26 pm

    …Best question award goes to Mark Riley…

    cripes, is he even allowed to speak to abbott after his last ‘interview’?

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:31 pm

    My favourite line … … when in a fit of absent-mindedness people elect Labor …

    How to win friends and influence people … he just don’t get it … do ‘e … Larf! Larf!

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:32 pm

    And Mark Riley was invited by The Mad Abbott to “continue” with the examples … must have been an absent minded moment …

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:33 pm

    I think that was The Mad Abbott’s last judicial appeal – rejected …

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:40 pm

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:48 pm

    “he just don’t get it “

    Abbott does have a point. Apparently we have spent $12B housing all the boat people who have come since Labor got into power in 2007.

    There were only 6 boat people in detention in 2007 costing almost nothing.

  88. February 2, 2015 4:52 pm

    “How to win friends and influence people … he just don’t get it … do ‘e ”

    Yes, inferring that everything would be just super, if only the ‘absent minded’ (almost half) of the electors hadn’t been so stupid as to vote for the other side, is contemptuous.

    I think Abbott just called his own Party’s bluff.

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:54 pm

  90. February 2, 2015 4:56 pm

    Here you go, Neil.

    Before you start, I’ll save you the bother. Someone else has already done the monocular fawning for you…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbotts_speech_the_verdict/

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:59 pm

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 4:59 pm

    Aaghghghhg … I almost clicked that link, Toillette!

    I felt a disease just hit my finger in time …

    WARNING in future, please …

  93. February 2, 2015 5:10 pm

    The /heraldsun/andrewbolt/ bit in the link kinda gave it away, TB. 😉

    Here’s the best comment on that thread, fwiw…

    “Alex replied to Seadrift
    Mon 02 Feb 15 (02:36pm)

    Sounded like an internal scare campaign to halt any takeover bids.

    Yup.

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 5:11 pm

    Monocular fawning is an interesting comment. I may also have some facts to back up my beliefs.

    Nothing the ALP does works. They gave the car industry $30B from 2007-2013 and did this help local manufacturing? No. Local sales went from 25% to 10% of the market.

    Another $12B housing 50,000 boat people. I think i got that $12B figure correct. I actually could not believe it when i saw it in an article.

    Plus who knows how many drowned trying to get here.

  95. February 2, 2015 5:28 pm

    You are a one trick pony, Neil.

    Sadly, you’ll still be astounded & incredulous when your lot gets hung, drawn & quartered, because…well, you seem incapable of seeing anything outside of your mental tunnel.

    You are so focussed on the misdeeds & failures of past Labor governments that you just can’t behold the same in the current government. It’s like you think the world isn’t in a constant state of flux & we should just pretend that life would be grand if we were perpetually stuck in 2007 (prior to Howard getting his arse handed to him, of course).

    Disingenuous governments get punished by the middle, thankfully. I’m very glad that people like you never decide electoral outcomes…because your minds are made up years prior to the ballot being called.

  96. February 2, 2015 5:29 pm

    “Nothing the ALP does works. ”

    A patently ridiculous, absolutist statement. Demonstrably false.

  97. February 2, 2015 5:32 pm

    “Plus who knows how many drowned trying to get here.”

    Plus, how the fuck do you know what’s going on on the high seas right now?! given the information blackout & deceitful nature of those with the capacity to divulge.

  98. February 2, 2015 5:41 pm

    Abbott’s ‘less than contrite’ diatribe did little to placate his backbenchers, apparently…

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/02/liberal-backbenchers-bill-remove-knight-dame-honours

  99. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 5:43 pm

    I can hold the current govt to account. I personally have no idea how to get the budget back into surplus. It may be impossible.

    I am not a believer in Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). It states that countries with a sovereign currency cannot go broke. The country can just print money to pay the bills.

    This is what they teach over at AIMN. It is amazing that people find what they want to believe.

    MMT suits lefties perfectly. You can spend whatever you want and not get into trouble.

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 6:16 pm

  101. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 6:32 pm

    wow AO, the msm looks like it is finally going to chase this.

    Probably yabot will just produce it, playing a smart ass. But, reckon the fact it hasn’t been addressed will add more to his woes than anyone asking.

    Also interesting that the records were made private. I wasn’t aware of that (I don’t think?)

    Also, didn’t catch the speech, but it seems to have gone down like a lead balloon. Wondered if anyone who watched it noticed if much was said about about his sudden interest in Domestic Violence. I don’t believe that he is personally invested in this and just using it to obfuscate but, if it garners attention, I don’t particularly care about the reason. It could be all he has left.

  102. February 2, 2015 6:43 pm

    “This is what they teach over at AIMN. It is amazing that people find what they want to believe.

    MMT suits lefties perfectly. You can spend whatever you want and not get into trouble.’

    Presumably, you’ve noticed that here is NOT AIMN?

    Noone is calling for what you claim.

    It is amazing how you defer any criticism of your chosen club with attacks upon those not in government.

    You do realise that AbbottCorp never released jack shit in the way of policies until mere days before the election? and has proceeded to break most ‘commitments’ made? (probably why the Party nationally (not just Abbott) finds itself with the monumental credibility deficit it now faces.

  103. February 2, 2015 6:45 pm

    I don’t like the whole ‘birther’ line of attack. It smacks of teabag nutjobs in the United States of Anus going after Obama for semi-relevant reasons; desperate for ,I>anything to bring him down.
    There are plenty of much more tangible reasons for Abbott to be routed. Honestly. 🙄

  104. February 2, 2015 6:46 pm

    It would however explain his bizarre allegiance to a foreign (former) Empire, over and above Australian citizens.

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:05 pm

    There are plenty of much more tangible reasons for Abbott to be routed. Honestly. 🙄

    When you look at it tb, it’s not a ‘birther’ thing, it is whether he has renounced his british citizenship according to our constitutional demand [which I believe he has] the question for me is when he did it. It may be that he’s been collecting an MP pay and entitlements for a long time when he wasn’t entitled to be sitting in parliament.

    I don’t see why some of them eg jackie kelly have to be thrown out and a byelection called when others get away with it, should be the same rules for all. I remember there was a guy who took abetz to court because he still had german citizenship for 10+ years as an MP, I think it was decided he’d been in there so long it didn’t matter anymore.

    Clearly the constitution of australia is only held up a ‘guideline’ and not and not a binding instrument for some.

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:05 pm

    No. Toilet.

    A long time ago we were British and Australian at the same time. It was just the way people felt about the mother country. Unless of course you were Irish.

    Apparently legally we were British subjects until 1949. We only became Australian citizens in 1949.

    People of Abbotts age pledged allegiance to QE2 every Monday morning in primary school and most probably high school. And God Save the Queen was the National anthem. And until relatively recently you became an Australian citizen by pledging allegiance to the Queen not Australia. Abbott lived through all that.

  107. February 2, 2015 7:16 pm

    “A long time ago we were British and Australian at the same time. It was just the way people felt about the mother country. ”

    “A long time ago”..being the operative words, Neil.

    Just how old do you think Abbott is?

    I’m guessing he’s younger than my parents, who presumably “lived through all that” too…and they wouldn’t piss on the idea of allegiance to a foreign monarch. I think your excuse for him doing so is patent bullshit.

    Still, I think the citizenship thang is a distraction, even if it does go to the heart of his devious obscurity.

  108. February 2, 2015 7:19 pm

    “Clearly the constitution of australia is only held up a ‘guideline’ and not and not a binding instrument for some.”

    I agree. I sincerely doubt that Gillard or any ALP MP would be afforded the same latitude by the current lot if they were in government.

  109. February 2, 2015 7:24 pm

    I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say I thought Abbott’s delivery and demeanour today were pretty good. I’d be the odd man out here, of course. The content would not have pleased most here, either. After all, where was the grovelling apology you all demanded? And the self-flagellation. I didn’t notice any. I thought he was a Catholic. Hasn’t he seen The Da Vinci Code?

  110. February 2, 2015 7:27 pm

    “It may be that he’s been collecting an MP pay and entitlements for a long time when he wasn’t entitled to be sitting in parliament.

    It is birtherism – unless you’ve got proof?

  111. February 2, 2015 7:32 pm

    His delivery and demeanour were fine.

    His words were poorly chosen at times. His motivations were of self & his rhetoric was predictable & flimsy.

  112. February 2, 2015 7:34 pm

    His ‘speech’ wasn’t to ‘us’. It was directed at his internal dissenters, and it looks like it failed to assuage them.

  113. February 2, 2015 7:36 pm

    Presumably, you’re one of the non-absent-minded Victorian voters he approves of. Good for you, but it won’t save him.

    Being a betting man, do you bet he’ll be PM at the next election? I’m not sure, but I hope so, because it would be a monumental anchor around conservative government’s neck.

  114. February 2, 2015 7:38 pm

    “His words were poorly chosen at times. His motivations were of self & his rhetoric was predictable & flimsy.”

    I watched “Abe Lincoln In Illinois” (1940) last night. Abbott is no Lincoln.

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:40 pm

  116. February 2, 2015 7:41 pm

    “His ‘speech’ wasn’t to ‘us’.”

    Of course not (if by ‘us’ you mean middle Australia). The Press Club’s audience are Canberra insiders. Only political junkies watched it on TV.

  117. February 2, 2015 7:42 pm

    “Presumably, you’re one of the non-absent-minded Victorian voters he approves of. ”

    I forget. What was the question?

  118. February 2, 2015 7:45 pm

    “Being a betting man, do you bet he’ll be PM at the next election?”

    Too soon to tell.

  119. February 2, 2015 7:48 pm

    All good answers.

    I reckon the Libs would rather shut their old, white appendages in a car door than move to Turnbull…unless it was a month out from a snap election & ‘saving the furniture’ was paramount (which it may be, if things stay as they are currently).

  120. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:48 pm

    There are plenty of much more tangible reasons for Abbott to be routed. Honestly.

    I’m not denying that. But, this is just another in along line of instances where yabot appears to think that he is above and beyond everyone else. Others have lost their seat for not going through the proper channels. Why the secrecy?

    Only political junkies watched it on TV.

    And all the poor mugs who got ambushed by it on the nightly news 😦

    Unless of course you were Irish.

    Or Aborigine, Madagascar, West Indies, Holland, France, Germany, Norway, Portugal, Jamaica, Sweden, Bengal India, and Scandinavia (all on the first fleet)

    We were once an Aboriginal nation too. #justsayin’ 😉

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:51 pm

    It is birtherism – unless you’ve got proof?

    well, that’s the thing, abbott’s mob won’t allow the proof to be released,that’s all that’s being asked.

    I don’t understand why they don’t have to produce their proof of sole citizenship to the GG office before they’re sworn in. Surely we don’t just take the word of people who belong to the most deceitful, lying, disrespected profession of all?

  122. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 7:54 pm

    It is birtherism – unless you’ve got proof?

    Have you seen anyone declaring that he hasn’t got the documents? All people want to do is see the document?

    A little different. Birthers are like Deniers, even when the document was there, they still refused to accept it.

    It’s simple minster yabot, are you still a pom or not? Not a difficult question to answer, and a pretty important one considering his position.

    The wrong answer would be embarrassing not just for him, but for press gallery who cheered him through.

  123. February 2, 2015 7:58 pm

    “well, that’s the thing, abbott’s mob won’t allow the proof to be released,that’s all that’s being asked.”

    Last week, a person who left his birth country as a baby, married a native of his new country, and is a naturalised citizen of that country, was referred to in a derogatory fashion as “Phil the Greek” – by none other than Bernard Keane. Identity Politics at its grubbiest.

  124. February 2, 2015 8:00 pm

    “It’s simple minster yabot, are you still a pom or not?”

    Yep. Birthers.

  125. Tom R permalink
    February 2, 2015 8:07 pm

    Yep. Birthers.

    pommers? 🙂

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 8:12 pm

    Identity Politics at its grubbiest.

    Politics that use aussie identity for political advantage eg flag waving nationalism, patriotism, xenophobia, racism and religion are not?

  127. February 2, 2015 8:13 pm

    I can hold the current govt to account. I personally have no idea how to get the budget back into surplus. It may be impossible.

    Maybe you should concentrate less on the simplex of “budget deficits” and vindictive blame for shit you don’t understand and think beyond the newspaper to the ultimate cause of a problem that will never be solved politically, only marginally controlled…

    Maybe ask yourself why the first thing Hokey did was borrow 9 billion to to gift to the reserve bank and excuse Murdock of his 880 million dollar tax bill.

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 8:29 pm

    “Or Aborigine, Madagascar, West Indies, Holland, France, Germany, Norway, Portugal, Jamaica, Sweden, Bengal India, and Scandinavia (all on the first fleet)

    Don’t know about the people you listed. But i do know that the Irish HATED pledging allegiance to the Queen to become an Australian citizen. Don’t know when that was stopped. Most probably under Hawke/Keating.

    What is strange about Abbott is that he has a Catholic background and i always thought that Catholics hated the British Crown. But his admiration for Britain is common for people born in the 1950’s unless you were Irish.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2015 8:49 pm

    The “Phil the Greek” nonsense is just that.

    Corfu was never part of the Ottoman Empire, never Turkish occupied. It owes much of its rich history to Venice, and more recently the English. There are few activities more civilised than sitting in an outdoor bar in Corfu and watching them play cricket.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 9:18 pm

    When you look at it tb, it’s not a ‘birther’ thing, it is whether he has renounced his british citizenship according to our constitutional demand [which I believe he has] the question for me is when he did it.

    And ya know its interesting that I was NOT an Australian Citizen when called up for NS …

    I turned up here in Jan 1961 … and realised I’d lived in the wrong country for 12 years!!!

    What a clever woman my Mum was …

    One thing I really hate is dual passports … I’m Australian – I only need one … (I’m entitled to a British and EU passport) …

    I’m not English Australian – I’m Australian FFS!… And proud of it!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What is strange about Abbott is that he has a Catholic background and i always thought that Catholics hated the British Crown.

    Nah! It just means they can’t wear it … history ain’t your thing either I see …

    But his admiration for Britain is common for people born in the 1950’s unless you were Irish.

    What cock … when were you last in the UK?

  131. February 2, 2015 9:19 pm

    Its a very simple question that should have a very simple answer. You would think Abbott with his rampart nationalism would be wearing his Aussiness like a mantle of credibility…

    What has he got to hide? Is he a ring in like Phil the greek and the rest of that inbred German pommy monarchy?

  132. February 2, 2015 9:22 pm

    What cock … when were you last in the UK?

    like the US.. never I’d guess

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 9:26 pm

    “What cock … when were you last in the UK?

    I have never been to the UK.

    It was common for Australians born in the 1950’s to have an admiration for Britain. Especially if their parents came from Britain.

    Abbott comes from that generation that admired Britain. Every Monday morning you had to pledge allegiance to the Queen at school during the 1960’s and 1970’s. Not sure when that was stopped.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 9:39 pm

    Every Monday morning you had to pledge allegiance to the Queen at school during the 1960’s and 1970’s.

    More BS … and guess when I went to school?

    I had to pledge allegiance to the Queen in 1970 or GO TO JAIL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Toillette, PB back in business … 😉

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2015 9:47 pm

    “More BS … and guess when I went to school?”

    I think the school principle had a big say. I would suspect that Catholic schools did not have a pledge of allegiance to the Queen but most State govt schools did on Monday mornings in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 9:52 pm

    There are few activities more civilised than sitting in an outdoor bar in Corfu and watching them play cricket.

    Just like the landed gentry of britain.

    But his admiration for Britain is common for people born in the 1950’s unless you were Irish.

    yeah, people born in the 50’s had ‘god save the queen’ rammed down their throats at school assemblies and official functions, every post office had a huge picture of HM queen in them. But we grew up as a country, we matured and developed our own identity rather than pay homage to the old country. We progressed and had stopped all that flag waving by about the 60’s and 70’s I think [others might know better]. Abbott’s family were ‘boat people’ arriving here in1960.

    I think abbott must have grown up in a very british household, people who were determined to remain british to their bootstraps. He only became an aussie citizen as a 24 yo so that he could qualify for the rhodes scholarship, to benefit financially from being an aussie [andrew bolt, please take note]

    Catholic church, plans of being a priest, jesuit teachings, all boys environments, mature male mentors etc the man never did mature and grow, I think it was more of an arrested development for him. Which is why he is still the dickhead he is today.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:15 pm

    “Just like the landed gentry of britain.

    Not really AO. Locals in Corfu play cricket with plenty of enthusiasm and the local bars don’t have any entry requirements, you should try it.
    —–
    When “greek” is used in a pejorative sense, it really isn’t the greeks that look like redneck dills.

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:34 pm

    Y’mean like Pommie, ToM?

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:37 pm

    more family history here:

    http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/in-1960-menzies-government-decided-to.html

  140. February 2, 2015 10:41 pm

    “Y’mean like Pommie, ToM?”

    Greek is to Phil, like Pommy is to TB. Both are naturalised citizens of their adopted country, who left their birth country at a young age. Did Prince Philip call TB a Pommy?

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:46 pm

    “Phil the Greek”

    “Greek” is used as an insult to diminish status. So if you choose to use nationality or race as an insult…

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 10:46 pm

    Not really AO. Locals in Corfu play cricket with plenty of enthusiasm and the local bars don’t have any entry requirements, you should try it.

    I have
    I played indoor cricket though!

  143. February 2, 2015 10:48 pm

    (At least Phil’s not a catlick. I suppose he gets points for that?)

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 2, 2015 11:00 pm

    Govt admits Australians can sidestep mandatory metadata retention:
    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4172660.htm

    …The admission came at a Senate inquiry this afternoon.

    It heard that if people used what’s known as Over The Top messaging, their communications would likely escape being caught up by ISPs.

    Over The Top messaging uses the internet to send messages, rather than traditional phone channels, and it’s seen huge growth rates over the past few years.

    The Department’s also confirmed that any metadata gathered and stored by internet service providers will also be accessible through litigation, for example by Hollywood studios prosecuting copyright cases…

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2015 6:34 am

    What surprised me about reading about Australian citizenship is that we did not become Australian citizens until 1949. Not in 1901.

    Apparently up until 1949 we were British subjects.

  146. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 7:35 am

    Are you trying to say that yabot is trying to take us back to the 1940’s, not the 1950’s as is often hypothesised nIl?

    Looking at the liberal mouthpiece today, it appears that yabot has been given a stay of execution. Great news for Labor 😉

    Y’mean like Pommie, ToM?

    oi oi oi! 😉

  147. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 7:59 am

    I did notice last night that the news mentioned that yabot had “finally” got rid of his PPL promise.

    No, I didn’t fail to note how the meeja were ‘thankful’ he had finally ditched his signature policy, his central, most binding commitment to the voters, and didn’t fail to compare that with the linguistic gymnastics they performed to plant the Carbon Price “lie” on Gillard, and continue to use that ‘lie’ word in almost every mention of her from that day on.

    No, I didn’t miss that huge leap of fucking hypocrisy you senseless twats.

  148. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 8:32 am

    Cool, I don’t have to listen to yabots spin, First Dog has interpreted it for me 🙂

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/feb/02/reform-is-really-hard

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2015 8:54 am

    AO – ”I have”

    Then I’m sure you’d agree that identifying someone as having been born in Corfu would be regarded as disparagement only by narrow minded rednecks that haven’t bothered to visit!

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:08 am

    Queensland election 2015: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson takes lead in vote count of Lockyer

    Never let it be said that Queenslanders miss an opportunity to turn to rednecks when given the opportunity!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-02/pauline-hanson-takes-lead-in-count-of-lockyer-seat/6064278

  151. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:08 am

    it really isn’t the greeks that look like redneck dills.

    I hate to say I AGREE!, but I do.

    I did cringe at the way the Prince all of a sudden became a whipping boy. He didn’t ask yabot to make an ass out of the whole system, yabot did that all by himself. As old fashioned and outdated as he is, I think his heart is in the right place, and, while limited, I think has moved the royals into the 21st century, with, it is to be admitted, many missteps along the way

    I’m not a royal, or even that fond of England, but I do recognise that we owe the British a lot, and the royals too.

    I just don’t think we should be sucking at their teat like yabot wants us to.

  152. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:25 am

    BillFixShorten has his opinion on our version of the Gettysburg address (will this upset teambaggerz or not? Will we care what teambaggerz think?)

    Labor Leader Bill Shorten said Mr Abbott had still failed to concede that the “unfair” budget, including the Medicare co-payment and university deregulation, was the government’s key problem.

    “We heard a desperate speech from a politically drowning man aimed at pleasing his MPs but nothing for Australian families,” Mr Shorten said.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/02/abbott-reaction/?utm_source=&utm_medium=Top%20Stories&utm_campaign=Top%20Stories

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:42 am

    Well what is Shortens solution??

  154. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:57 am

    Now we are re-living the Gillard years. She screws up so we get the remake, the Real Julia, then we get the Julia who wears out her shoe-leather selling climate change to community groups, then the “complete confidence in Craig” Julia, then the “that’s the answer I’m going to give you Julia” but it doesn’t get better. Just a slow death until she is stabbed just before the election.

    Now we face a gruesome couple of years as the terminally wounded Abbott twists in the wind, desperately seeking popular approval while trying to avoid the knives of his colleagues. He has lost the confidence of the electorate so badly that he is a laughing stock. This is a disaster for the country. It makes me angry.

  155. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 9:58 am

    Well what is Shortens solution??

    Well, he has already committed Labor to bringing a Carbon Price back in, that solves a few billion in problems 😉

    Pretty sure he has mentioned about going after foreign companies as well, unlike hockey, who is letting them get away with blue murder.

    And keeping Australian jobs onshore helps, even if it takes an initial outlay, the return far outweighs that outlay.

    And that’s with almost two years before another election. yabot didn’t have that level a week out.

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:01 am

    The problem with the “fix the deficit” narrative-
    • Medicare co payment – nothing to do with deficit because all funds were to be allocated to a research fund
    • University deregulation – nothing to do with deficit because the change was to be cost neutral during the next budgetary period

    Both of the most unpopular policies in the budget have nothing to do with the deficit, they’re driven by a conservative philosophy (and note – I support the GP co-payment)

  157. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:14 am

    Really, do any of those examples of the “real Julia” come close to the cluster fuck that is yabot?

    Or even tracksuits and “they’re throwing children overboard”?

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:17 am

    “Really, do any of those examples of the “real Julia” come close to the cluster fuck that is yabot?

    Most rational observers would think the “real Julia” and its aftermath was the biggest and most hilarious political fraud in memory.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:42 am

    So if you choose to use nationality or race as an insult…

    As I did … The Firm is The Firm … they all deserve to be insulted … why should I doff my cap and touch my forelock to a bunch of Robber Barons … especially the foreign ones … (what makes you think Phil the Greek is neutralised?)

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:43 am

    Ooops … “Phil the Greek is neutralised” (sarc alert)

  161. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 10:57 am

    Both of the most unpopular policies in the budget have nothing to do with the deficit, they’re driven by a conservative philosophy

    I’m feeling kind of dirty, but … I AGREE!

    Not to mention but, anytime Labor tried to pass something last Parliament to address the budget, it was attacked with relish as “Class War”

    And now, they are putting through some of those same things themselves 😯

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:00 am

    Never let it be said that Queenslanders miss an opportunity to turn to rednecks when given the opportunity!

    Research reveals that the people who vote for Pauline Hanson are Mexicans from Melbourne who travel to Queensland rather than live in – Victoria “The Place To Be”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m not a royal, or even that fond of England, but I do recognise that we owe the British a lot, and the royals too.

    Please explain? ‘Cause where I stand the help has been all one way …

    (discounting skilful, articulate and intelligent migrants who arrived from the UK in the sixties of course 🙂 )

    Australia is either a country or a colony hanging onto its Mother Country’s apron strings …

    Even the Poms don’t understand that … in fact they see Aussies as wimps when it comes to being a Republique …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    😯

    Now we face a gruesome couple of years as the terminally wounded Abbott twists in the wind, desperately seeking popular approval while trying to avoid the knives of his colleagues. He has lost the confidence of the electorate so badly that he is a laughing stock. This is a disaster for the country. It makes me angry.

    sb, you really only needed the bit above …

    … the bit above the bit above was just a waste of writing and reading time …

    … Ms Gillard has left the building … do keep up 🙂

  163. February 3, 2015 11:05 am

    Most rational observers would think the “real Julia” and its aftermath was the biggest and most hilarious political fraud in memory.””

    I guess that makes me “”irrational”” then cos I think Abbott’s “clean slate,” “reboot,” “refresh,” and fist thumping exercise yesterday far surpasses anything Gillard ever did as PM…

    Although the “”molecules”” explanation remains firmly entrenched in the history books.

  164. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:09 am

    Cause where I stand the help has been all one way …

    Well, the mother land did send over a lot of ‘free help’ when the nation was just beginning 😉

    But mainly, we got a country with an already established system of governance that has worked qute well for us. I don’t consider that to be something to be sneered at, and it also gave us a sense of identity when we didn’t have one.

    It is well past time we got our own identity though, that is what yabot and his ilk seem to miss

  165. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:10 am

    Most rational observers

    And I thought you were into IR, yet it is missing in your spiel 😉

  166. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:12 am

    Although the “”molecules”” explanation

    ???? ❓

  167. February 3, 2015 11:13 am

    This is fkn hilarious!

    Abbott and Bishop now have a Rudd-Gillard relationship…

    Meanwhile Margie’s busy sending out invitations to Abbott’s backbenchers (and their spouses) to attend an art gallery exhibition…

    Artworks to include:

    The Sacrifice of Isaac
    Saint Sebastian
    The Fall of Rome
    King Lear
    The Assassination of Julius Caesar

    “We have very high regard for Margie Abbott but we don’t want this kind of crap. We don’t want our spouses to be involved in these kinds of games.”
    “It’s about Abbott, not about our spouses. And if it was genuine this kind of invite would have happened a while ago.
    “Does the PMO think we are all stupid?”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-in-canberra-for-cabinet-meeting-as-leadership-speculation-mounts/story-fncynjr2-1227206047501

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:23 am

    Asked what line Thomson had crossed Gillard explained:

    “I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer.

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:28 am

    The worst thing about the current parlous state of Australian politics is that there does not seem to be an end in sight. If Abbott gets rolled things won’t improve much, if at all. And then when we finally get to vote the Libs out Shorten is a very unappetising prospect. What have we done to deserve this?

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:34 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/there-was-no-government-in-waiting-in-broke-queensland/story-fn8v83qk-1227205518618

    I wrote on January 8, not thinking the LNP could possibly lose, “Should the LNP lose, Queensland and Australia should abandon all hope of rational politics and economic reform.”

    The general rule for decades, that Labor spends irresponsibly — Cain-Kirner in Victoria, Brian Burke WA Inc, John Bannon State Bank of South Australia, Beattie-Bligh $80 billion debt in Queensland, Rudd-Swan debt and deficits as far as the eye can see — and is punished with two or more terms in opposition, is defunct. There is now only a one-term penalty for gross mismanagement.

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:43 am

    If the theory was that the ALP messes up the economy and the Libs restore it, Abbott has put an end to that notion.

    The lesson of this government is that a bunch of clueless morons are incapable of fixing the economy. And it is not just Abbott alone. Even if the Libs install someone more presentable it is still just lipstick on a very smelly pig of a government.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:54 am

    “Does the PMO think we are all stupid?”

    Why not? They seem to think everyone else is …

    Abbott and Bishop now have a Rudd-Gillard relationship…

    I see a subtle difference here … the problem The Mad Abbott has is with “we the people” and how we see him (know him) … in Rudd/Gillard’s case the argie bargy was internal …

    I’d hazard a guess that both Rudd and Gillard had far more support in public than The Mad Abbott does …

    If the LNP continue the farce people will begin to laugh not only at TMA but the LNP machine …

    I find myself just switching off, now listening to the half truths and BS … yes, is OK one day but its, really no, the next … click

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:56 am

    What have we done to deserve this? sb …

    But mainly, we got a country with an already established system of governance that has worked qute well for us. TR

    Chuckle … 😉

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:57 am

    Abbott yesterday, demonstrating that he is totally out of touch:

    We were elected in 2013 because the Australian people rejected chaos and we are not going to take them back to that chaos,

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2015 11:59 am

    “If the theory was that the ALP messes up the economy and the Libs restore it, Abbott has put an end to that notion.”

    Well they are finding it hard to get their policies through the Senate.

    But perhaps the mess is too big to clean up.

    Fact is the Coalition is this countries only hope. I have never seen an ALP govt pay off any debt. It is not in their DNA.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:03 pm

    “I wrote on January 8, not thinking the LNP could possibly lose, …

    That sorta destroys anything that comes after it – one would surmise … 🙄

    Even if the Libs install someone more presentable it is still just lipstick on a very smelly pig of a government.

    I agree, sb, and I can’t see another two years actually helping the smell to disappear … and unless the ALP can force a DD … its going to be “fun” for all …

    I guess maintaining a status quo might help the economy (eg business decisions) …

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:09 pm

    Fact is the Coalition is this countries only hope. I have never seen an ALP govt pay off any debt. It is not in their DNA.

    Aren’t you back in school yet?

    NSW must be later starters than Qld …

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:11 pm

    “Well they are finding it hard to get their policies through the Senate.”

    This excuse misses the point. The policies were the problem. Even if they were all passed they would not have fixed the economy.

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:20 pm

    “Aren’t you back in school yet?

    Do you have nay examples either State or Federal since say 1980 of any Labor govts paying off debt??

    I was in Geelong when the Pyramid Building society went under and Victoria almost went bankrupt under Cain/Kirner. Hawke/Keating, Beattie/Bligh, Brian Burke WA INC.,Rudd/Gillard

    All of them have trashed the budget

  180. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:33 pm

    I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer.

    Cheers sb

    Unfortunately, it makes sense to me 😯

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2015 12:39 pm

    “Unfortunately, it makes sense to me”

    Not surprised about that at all, Tom R.

  182. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 1:02 pm

    🙂

  183. February 3, 2015 2:37 pm

    RBA cuts interest rates to record lows – that’s pretty much an indication that the economy is fucked.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/economy/rba_cuts_rates_to_record_low_pc_kkNVthe4H33Na2tOlTXynK

  184. February 3, 2015 3:22 pm

    Comedy Gold!

  185. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2015 3:35 pm

    Where is there though?

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 3:41 pm

    … that’s pretty much an indication that the economy is fucked.

    I’d reckon … guess which part of society pays the price … we seem to get it either end of life … 16% mortgage rates at the beginning and low interest rates at the end …

    Have you noticed the intergeneration equity shite is being burbled again by the LNP?

    … first they re-create the class wars … and now they attempt to divide generations and control the chaos they create …

    I was born just after WWII/Korean War which generation do they think paid for that?

    And Vietnam (The America War – as they call it)? And Iraq and Afghanistan? I didn’t vote to spend all those billions of dollars helping the USA invade other countries …

    It IS the spending by INCOMPETENT POLITICIANS … on things that waste not produce …

    There should be Competency Assessments (maybe even a Diploma in Politics) and an age limitation (eg 30) before anyone can actually run for election … maybe there should be an Assets and Income Test like the Age Pension too …

    The most important job in the country is a circus … no wonder they can’t balance a budget … they’ve never had to in their lives … as for managing people – bunch of clowns …

    I rather enjoyed Jacqui Lambie last night … got a smidgin’ more polish but liked the outspoken replies …

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 3:45 pm

    Hockey on budget: “We are getting there. The plan is working.”

    Plan? What plan? There’s a plan?

    The good ship Jolly Roger … ?

  188. February 3, 2015 4:04 pm

    Nils you fiscal ignoramus.
    All you need to know about your debt mantra stupidity is right here…knock yourself out champion http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/03/remember-labors-skyrocketing-debt-the-coalitions-is-much-worse/

  189. February 3, 2015 4:15 pm

    “” guess which part of society pays the price … we seem to get it either end of life … 16% mortgage rates at the beginning and low interest rates at the end

    Aaaww, wait while I go and fetch my teeny weeny violin for the cashed up asset rich boomers who are sitting pretty living off their accumulated wealth.

    Meanwhile back in today’s world, UNI Grads are lucky to find work in McDonalds “little lone” in the profession of their studies.

    Youth unemployment is a staggering 20%+ in some parts of Australia, so good luck to you if you don’t have a degree or a trade qualification.

    I for one, am sick to bloody death of the boomer generation moaning about how tough it all is when they’re sitting pretty earning an income from their portfolio of investment properties and shares and then earning an income off the tax-payer funded Age Pension simply, well, because they can!

    Not content with that, they’ll borrow more money to invest so they can claim the interest payable as a tax deduction!

    All this bloody whingeing, yet THEY were the ones that could afford to buy a house in Sydney’s lower north shore for $30,000 in the 50’s and 60’s and one or two investment properties on the side as an afterthought.

    Yet today’s aspirational youth are facing down the prospect of fuck all work, living at home until their 30’s or 40’s and then maybe, and that’s a big maybe, possibly owning a modest home of their own when their parents kick the bucket.

    Maybe if the boomers hadn’t been so selfish, property prices wouldn’t be beyond the reach of ordinary young people today.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 4:48 pm

    Maybe if the boomers hadn’t been so selfish, property prices wouldn’t be beyond the reach of ordinary young people today.

    D’ja have a link for that little dummy spit?

    Ever hear of negative gearing? Family trusts? Councils/state not opening up enough land? Foreign buyers?

    Baby boomers fault?

    Most BBs have only ever owned one or two homes … and no properties … and have little or no super … (I got links BTW)

    We own our home (second one – we sold the first in ’84) and have enough super so that we don’t get all the pension … we get some (100% is $34000 for a couple) …

    I did leave school early at 14 and I did do a trade and I did enrol in uni at 40 and graduate five years later … and by my estimate paid well over a million dollars in tax …

    And I know your old enough to know that today’s work ethic ain’t quite the same as my/your day … and you know that people have families much later than we did my 21 for me 19 for The Minister …

    Having said all that I know I can’t judge all BB by my own life … and I know its tough for kids I have two 20 year olds live next door and my 16 yo reading in the next room …

    The point I was making is that life is “fluid” and opportunities change as do people … as does income/expenses/earnings …

    Blaming others? If I did that I’d still be trying to figure out how to fix cars …

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 4:55 pm

    as does income/expenses/earnings/governments …

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 5:07 pm

    The move is likely to take the typical standard variable mortgage rate down to 5.7 per cent and discounted variable rates to 4.85 per cent — the lowest cost of mortgage debt since July 1968.

  193. February 3, 2015 5:16 pm

    “”And I know your old enough to know that today’s work ethic ain’t quite the same as my/your day …””

    Actually my assistant is a young twenty something and has a tremendous work ethic.

    I think the difference is that today’s GEN Y get bored easily and have shorter attention spans. But give them an interesting project to run with and you’d be surprised at the results.

    The twenty somethings that work in my office are all much the same. They might “look dumb”but if you actually have a conversation with them they are actually quite intelligent, articulate and of course tech-savvy.

    So my prejudices have been proven incorrect in that respect.

    I hope that they similarly don;t look at me as just some old codger.

    In fact, I recall someone around these parts who used to take issue occasionally with regards to remarks that are “”ageist””. I think the same thing applies to young people..

    😉

  194. February 3, 2015 5:35 pm

    Gillard? supreme difference she legislates
    Abbott pontificates

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 6:16 pm

    In fact, I recall someone around these parts who used to take issue occasionally with regards to remarks that are “”ageist””. I think the same thing applies to young people..

    I agree,sreb …

    Oh, you were hinting at me! I think you might find I was referring to “work ethic” not age … let me check …

    And I know you’re old enough to know that today’s work ethic ain’t quite the same as my/your day …

    Mmmmm … no … nothing to do with age at all (and it wasn’t BTW) … fixed grammar …

    (gender and age mean nothing to me in the work place … team member/abilities win me every time) … I was referring more to being a “customer” I guess … and attendance issues …

    You might find this interesting tho’ …

    http://www.sgsep.com.au/insights/urbecon/baby-boomers-housing-and-productivity/

    Remember that most young people have to catch up with their parents wealth* … 🙂

    From the link above …

    As the baby boomers age, intergenerational wealth transfer is likely to have a significant impact on the wealth and housing circumstances of the recipients.

    It’s also got some interesting stats regarding financial assistance to kids from BBs.

    See what I mean by the intergeneration equality shite? My parents left me … zilch (they left my kids less than $20K each) … never expected anything …

    As far as we are concerned (much to the occasionally financial “advisor’s” chagrin), our house is our home, not an asset to be borrowed against … and, The Minister, has always insisted that our home be left to our children … (although 16 yo g/son wants it – apparently) …

    *Unless your born into The Firm or some other Robber Baron warren … 😉

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 6:17 pm

    Bugger did it again … “you’re” … fk ToM’ll have a fkn field day!

  197. February 3, 2015 6:24 pm

    “”I know you’re old enough to know that today’s work ethic ain’t quite the same as my/your day …”

    Hmmm. okay, I had interpreted that statement as being a reflection on the work ethic of young people today versus the work ethic of young people back then.

    I apologise if I got that wrong.

  198. February 3, 2015 6:49 pm

    I interpreted it the same way.

    I’m somewhere (in age) between you (reb) and the ipad generation. To give a little perspective, more than half of my life was pre-internet little lone let alone smartphones, vomitbook, twatter etc.

    I’d put my work ethic up against anyones.

    I think such things depend upon the individual, their sense of pride/responsibility & the diligence of their upbringing (not necessarily all traits). Not their age.

    Although I do despair at under 10yo’s who won’t even acknowledge your presence if they’ve got their face stuck in their i/pad/pod/phone; once again, using ‘devices’ for surrogate parenting is destined for bad outcomes.

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2015 7:03 pm

    I’m somewhere between Fifi and Lulu

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 7:18 pm

    I apologise if I got that wrong.

    Never necessary, sreb … the problem with written discussion …

    Just to clarify I’ve had amazing people work with me, dickheads, tardy folk , innovative, people who would work well over their finish time without pay (they did get time off) and the plodders that got things done … they all fall into so many categories … I can proudly say that good or bad eventually they all became team members

    … and as you know, my own learned homophobic outlook was changed dramatically by you and Joni …

    Toillette that last para is a reflection of our society …

    Although I do despair at under 10yo’s who won’t even acknowledge your presence if they’ve got their face stuck in their i/pad/pod/phone; once again, using ‘devices’ for surrogate parenting is destined for bad outcomes.

    Only this morning I watched a little guy who could barely run, head up the pavement and onto the road side of a car … I couldn’t see any parents … he was across the road from me, on the crest of a hill and I just moved out to wave cars down as his mum ran up to grab him … parents frighten the shite out of me … at any age!

    ToM … which one do you blow up first?

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2015 7:31 pm

    Check the date on this …

    TONY Abbott has been told directly by Liberal backbencher Dennis Jensen that he no longer has his support to lead the party.

    Dr Jensen told the Prime Minister he wanted him removed from the nation’s top job on January 23rd via text message.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/liberal-backbencher-dennis-jensen-says-he-no-longer-supports-tony-abbott/story-fncynjr2-1227206900863

  202. February 3, 2015 8:11 pm

    “I’m somewhere between Fifi and Lulu”

    🙂

  203. February 3, 2015 8:14 pm

    “… and as you know, my own learned homophobic outlook was changed dramatically by you and Joni …”

    How commendable. So you’re no longer a bigot?

  204. February 3, 2015 8:18 pm

    “”Only this morning I watched a little guy who could barely run, head up the pavement and onto the road side of a car …

    I walked passed a young man with no limbs touting for coins on the Streets of Koh Samui.

    I still feel the guilt.

  205. February 3, 2015 8:27 pm

    “”How commendable. So you’re no longer a bigot?””

    And you Tony, have you your views changed, or just be reaffirmed?

  206. February 3, 2015 8:31 pm

    Maybe I should join my friends and watch GoT as a replacement for indepedent thinking..

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:23 am

    ”How commendable. So you’re no longer a bigot?””

    He’s changed and grown, something we should all be doing throughout life. Good on you TB, love your candour!

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:58 am

  209. February 4, 2015 8:37 am

    “He’s changed and grown”

    He’s just got a few lingereing problems with “catlicks” and Greeks, apparently.

  210. February 4, 2015 8:44 am

    Look, can we please just all stop all this leadership speculation as according to Mathias Cormann and Joe Hockey there is no leadership speculation, and any such speculation is just pure speculation which is very unhelpful….

  211. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 9:00 am

    can we please just all stop all this leadership speculation

    Considering there are (l)iberal people actually calling for it in public, it is more than just speculation wouldn’t you say reb?

  212. February 4, 2015 9:02 am

    “”A backbench revolt in the Liberal Party could unseat the Prime Minister within a week. Three MPs last night publicly disavowed their leader in what appears to be a chaotic but coordinated campaign to force a spill in the party when it meets on Tuesday.””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-04/mps-break-ranks-against-tony-abbott-as-spill-talk-heats-up/6068030

  213. February 4, 2015 9:06 am

    “”it is more than just speculation wouldn’t you say reb?”””

    Well I might say that but according to Mathias Cormann the party is 100% behind Tony Abbott..

    Both Cormann and Hockey fronted the ABC this morning on a “charm offensive” (well you know, the LNP version of “charm”) insisting that we should all just “move on”….

    It’s pure poetry as both of their careers depend on throwing their support behind a leader who is universally loathed.

    #awkward

  214. February 4, 2015 9:12 am

    l must say l`m thoroughly enjoying the teabag-panic spreading out of queensland faster than cane-toads. The top-end teabumpkins are knifing, then un-knifing their teabumpkin, which has been quite amusing. Mr-rabbit tried to `stare-down` his teabags at the press-club, which looks to have failed wonderfully. lt will be interesting to see how the teabags `party-room` meeting will go for mr-rabbit. All we `really` need to worry about is keeping blib quiet. #shh-blib

    lt didn`t go un-noticed that a certain team-cheerer had a swipe up-thread neither. The team-cheerer should note that if `caucus` didn`t go against membership in last `leadership` vote, his-team could be swinging the baseball bat a lot more, and a lot harder on `leadership-disarray` with albo. lnstead, his-team is largely neutered by being led by the blood-soaked blib. #snip.snip

  215. February 4, 2015 9:32 am

    Cormann: “The prime minister enjoys the unanimous support of the cabinet and I believe he enjoys the overwhelming support of the party room.”

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/storystream/abbott-under-pressure-spill-talks-ramp

    Except for Mal Brough presumably..

  216. February 4, 2015 9:33 am

    ”””””””””’One notable absentee from Tuesday’s Cabinet meeting was Mr Abbott’s high-profile chief of staff, Peta Credlin.

    Ms Credlin has been a fixture at the meetings throughout the tenure of the Abbott Government and that has irked some ministers.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-04/mps-break-ranks-against-tony-abbott-as-spill-talk-heats-up/6068030

    ”””””””””””””””

    +

    ”””””””’Her absence was intended to send the message that the Prime Minister was making concessions and was prepared to change.””””””’

    #The puppet is fcuked now.

  217. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 9:35 am

    Cormann and Hockey fronted the ABC this morning on a “charm offensive”

    Did they bring the stogies? 😯

    Charming 😆

  218. February 4, 2015 9:50 am

    “” Treasurer Joe Hockey knows that if Abbott were to fall he would be toast; others wonder whether a new leader would promote or demote them.””

    http://theconversation.com/cabinet-ministers-back-abbott-while-they-wonder-how-events-might-change-their-fortunes-37123

  219. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 9:52 am

    his-team could be swinging the baseball bat a lot more

    Why do they need to?

    BillSave is playing a pretty good game I think. If they stuck their heads above the parapets right now, the ltdnews would have a field day with them. Why interrupt such a beautiful bitch fight.

    rudd was only successful because the media were willing to play his game to damage Labor. You think the media will let us forget that, especially when murdor is flailing for anywhere for his eye to land rather than the rump he helped get elected?

    When this is all over, and some sense of normality resumes, Labor will still be where they are (in front) and still with clean skin. I’m not sure Albo, as much as I like him (and, he was my preference too) would be able to refrain in the way BillSave has.

    Sounds to me more like your favourite didn’t win, and you still haven’t got over it. Are you even an ALP member? I’m not. But I have no real problem with people with more ‘skin’ in the game having a higher weighted vote than just anyone who can fill in a card and elect who they want. You want your vote to count for more, get more involved. You really need to get over your imagined slights, and get back to counting coloured cartons.

  220. February 4, 2015 10:15 am

    ”””””””””’Sounds to me more like your favourite didn’t win, and you still haven’t got over it. Are you even an ALP member? I’m not.”””””””’

    #that`s all team-cheerer horse shit, and totally not relevant. What l`m pointing out is being stuck with blib, all the alp can do IS lay low, which doesn`t do`em much good when the greens have been hammering the shit out of the teabags (you know, the greens, they`re the ones that usually pinch your-teams votes) and others like Lambie are getting some mighty fine kicks in too, even on qandaland.

    #still my view http://730reportland.wordpress.com/730reportlands_alp_vote_breakdown/

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 10:20 am

    How commendable. So you’re no longer a bigot?

    That I’ll ignore … says more about you than me …

    He’s just got a few lingereing (sic) problems with “catlicks” and Greeks, apparently.

    Calling out hypocrisy isn’t bigotry, ToSY, what a tiny world you must live in …

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 10:24 am

    Ta, KL … another family cliché … “stop learning and your dead” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see my new gravatar didn’t take last night … mmmm …

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 10:28 am

    I’m somewhere between Fifi and Lulu

    So which one do you blow up first, ToM … 🙂

  224. February 4, 2015 10:29 am

    l enjoy this teabumpkin`s tweet,

    ””””””””Tuesday’s last word should go to Nationals MP Darren Chester who tweeted: ”It’s days like these when it becomes self evident to journos who ask me:””””’

    +

    ”””””so why did you join the National Party?”””””

    +

    #The leadership is top-heavy with zombies, eleventy wouldn`t be the only one to get the heave-ho, l reckon dutton and morrison would be on the chopping block too. But, replace with what.?

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 10:35 am

    I see the ALP supporters and having fun.

    Do any of you have any idea to solve the problems you people created?

    Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck which most probably cannot be stopped.

  226. February 4, 2015 10:50 am

    “Calling out hypocrisy isn’t bigotry, ToSY”

    Is that what you call it? No worries, when I see you write something I think is bigoted, I’m going to call it out by writing ‘Bigot’. You can then explain how what you wrote is just calling out hypocrisy. Or not.

    Don’t worry, I’m not attacking your right to free speech and all that. I’m just exercising mine.

  227. February 4, 2015 11:02 am

    ””””’playing a pretty good game I think”””””’

    #Then think harder without the team-cheering. Elections are a `popularity` contest, which means they need to be both `visible` AND `likable`. When they can`t be `likable`, then it`s probably no point being `visible` either. (Not a problem for albo, but is for blib.) What ya`stuck with having blib, is the carry-over of the kevin07 knifing AND joolya knifing. l won`t be voting for team-blib, for the same reason l wouldn`t vote for team-joolya, they`re still going second-last. l won`t be the only one either, and others won`t vote team-blib for knifing joolya. The membership leader-vote was much more in tune with the general public IMO.

    #Playing a `good-game` would also include good interviews and public appearances. On insiders Barrie asked, and blib waffled on `republic`, a topic which was `thrashed` soundly by the public in 1999, and the public has since moved even further away from it. Remember, it`s a `popularity` contest, so ya`need `popular` topics.

  228. February 4, 2015 11:12 am

    I see the ALP supporters and having fun correct about this lying government

    Do any of you have any idea to solve the problems you people created?

    Yeah stop listening to the blatant lies

    Rudd/Gillard Abbot started a runaway debt LIE Fest which most probably cannot must be stopped.

    Couldn’t agree more only a few days to go and he is toast

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:16 am

    Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck.

    So did Reb, TB, Toilet, AO, TomR and anybody else who voted LABOR in 2007.

    Do any of you psychopathic deadbeats have any idea to solve the problem you people created??

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:25 am

    TB – ““stop learning and your dead…”

    I think you mean “you’re”

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:33 am

    You can then explain how what you wrote is just calling out hypocrisy. Or not.

    Only if I feel like it … and I’m certainly not worried … you’ve got the bee in yer bonnet about catliks … just turn the other cheek … 🙂

    And for the record I had a wonderful time in Greece … loved the Greek people … not the food and wine (retzina?) so much … loved ouzo – once I discovered how to mix it with water … 🙂

    My comment about Phillip was about the hypocrisy of a queen as head of state — for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, Australia and New Zealand — who’s family is German, and who has a Greek husband as consort … how you get bigotry from that befuddles me … fascinating hypocrisy I call it …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see Kneel’s getting a bit shrill again … no-one should talk to psychopaths like that … especially so many at once …

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:34 am

    I think you mean “you’re”

    Well spotted, ToM … it was attest to see if you were around … 😉

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:36 am

    “I see Kneel’s getting a bit shrill again

    Absolutely

    I lived through Hawke/keating with unemployment at 11% for several years

  234. February 4, 2015 11:44 am

    ”””””any idea to solve the problems”””””

    #Yeah fcuking easy if l was dictator for one-term.

    First, personal #Liberty`s, voluntary euthanasia, abortion, gay-marriage and medical-choof/iboga would be done`n`dusted with a `personal-libertys` act, the nation and state/s don`t have the right to interfere with womens medical decisions, chronically/terminally ill medical treatments, when they decide to die or the person they choose to love/live-with and marry.

    #Off-the-top corporate tax for corporations that off-shore/luxamburge and deduct to ridiculously-low, unfair levels, these bludgers would have to pay percentage of their `gross`. Limit deductions on other obscenities, say total deduction for boardroom salary packages 5-mill, company wants to pay`em 25-mill, fine, but NOT deductible. Ditto for invented `licencing` fees and similar. #revenue

    #Crack down on trusts, no more $1 pensions for north-shore trust beneficiaries and kick their rich-arse off the dole/pension. Big #savings here.

    #Full-time jobs tax deductable, junk-jobs not. Stop rewarding employers for destroying #jobs, putting more relying on dole part-payments, also destroying consumer-base.

    #The ABS/govt will also report clearly and simply the dole-office numbers out of the `database` each month, (along with the calculated bullshit that passes as `un/employment` numbers.) For elderly-pensions, handicapped-pensions, unemployed, partly-employed. #planning

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 11:50 am

    Toooooooooo Funny

    Your heros ALP/greens were in power from 2007-2013.

    And the budget went from a $20B surplus to a $40B deficit

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:04 pm

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:12 pm

    “…Do any of you have any idea to solve the problems you people created?…”

    Hey, we didn’t vote for stinking tony Abbott! You’ll have to blame yourself, especially as hockey has really increased the debt.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:14 pm

    “…And the budget went from a $20B surplus to a $40B deficit…”

    What is it now neil?

  239. February 4, 2015 12:26 pm

    “Bigotry is a state of mind where a person strongly, obstinately, irrationally, unfairly or intolerantly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. Some examples include personal beliefs, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:42 pm

    I strongly dislike lots of ideas. Does that make me a bigot?

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:45 pm

    I think Turnbull would do a good job, particularly compared to Shorten (and Abbott)

    Abbott has proved to be a dud, entirely disconnected to the orientation of most of the population.

    Turnbull appeals to me because he’s –
    * an economic conservative
    * a social progressive
    * no aligned to any particular religion or pressure group

  242. February 4, 2015 12:56 pm

    Turnbull appeals to me because he’s –

    * he’s got a nice accent
    * has good dress sense
    * seems quite pleasant
    * is quite eloquent and charming
    * isn’t Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison, Joe Hockey, Kevin Andrews, Christopher Pyne or Erica Betz

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:58 pm

    * rich

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 12:58 pm

    Turnbull appeals to me because he’s –

    Pity the LNP pollies don’t have the same appeal, ToM …

    That’s why it’s taking so long to get rid of The Mad Abbott …

  245. February 4, 2015 12:58 pm

    Gee Nils is a tedious bore..

    Coming in here vent his spleen for therapy as he watches the lies of his beloved “team Australia” disintegrate as the flaky false profits burn in thier own dishonesty.

    The lies he believed in small minded ignorance spun by corporatocracy’s apparatchiks would make him feel rather insignificant and stupid

    Nil.. ask yourself why they are further in debt? Why all their social engineering is failing and the only person standing for civil liberties is Scott Ludlam fighting the meta data laws in the senate…

    Forget this debt mantra its just another indoctrinated lie…

    Watch citizen 4 and grow up…

  246. February 4, 2015 1:02 pm

  247. February 4, 2015 1:03 pm

    Turnbull is an inside trader (the worldcom deal) and reniged on a handshake deal with Kerry Packer..
    Turdbull’s a self absorbed, corporate crook just like the rest of them.. even worse a merchant banker and lawyer, so he is a complete cunt.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 1:28 pm

    Here’s another way to save money, RP …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-man-iain-fogerty-pleads-not-guilty-to-public-nuisance-after-wearing-im-with-stupid-t-shirt/story-fnii5v6w-1227207505589

    I thought this shite had been dropped … what a waste of taxpayers money … and its been adjourned for hearing FFS!

  249. February 4, 2015 1:30 pm

    Mr-Talkbull appeals to me coz,

    +highly adored by nbn-nerd community

    +honesty on nbn plan

    +securing silicon valley and alberta future nbn-tech

    +not aligned to `pressure` groups (like teabags or by default ipa)

    +wouldn`t encourage waste on known losing ideas (republic)

    +never advocate/enhance `economic`bigotry

    +knows how to `handle` a qandaland audience

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2015 1:30 pm

    Do you meet the rest of the criteria sb?

    “…obstinately, irrationally, unfairly or intolerantly dislikes other people, ideas, etc…”

    Yes, turn bull stands alone. He’s the only one who can take on the far right of the party I think. Maybe bishop, but if she became leader after that spill, she would be treated the same as gillard. Plus, Labor supporters seem to like turnbull, but I think they’d be in for a shock at budget time!

  251. February 4, 2015 1:33 pm

    Julia Gillard Rushed To Hospital After Overdosing On Schadenfreude.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/02/04/julia-gillard-rushed-hospital-after-overdosing-schadenfreude

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 1:41 pm

    “I am determined to deliver steady, stable, solid, dependable government,” the Prime Minister said.

    Well, I’d like to see that …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Mr-Talkbull appeals to me coz,

    +highly adored by nbn-nerd community (WRONG – they know he BStted NBN)

    +honesty on nbn plan (WRONG he lied he knows the FTTN is the only way to stay ahead of the pack – and that the hybrid NBN will cost more money over time … LNP dodgy brothers deal)

    +securing silicon valley and alberta future nbn-tech (DUH?)

    +not aligned to `pressure` groups (like teabags or by default ipa) (RIGHT – but he has no power in the LNP because of it …)

    +wouldn`t encourage waste on known losing ideas (republic) (???? He led the last Republican Movement … let the Howard question in when everyone else was saying WTF! And lo and behold he’s suddenly a minister in the Howard government?????)

    +never advocate/enhance `economic`bigotry (WTF is that?)

    +knows how to `handle` a qandaland audience (AGREE he’s articulate alright …)

    You forgot that he’s a multi millionaire who understands people who have to live on $40K/ $50K a year … or less …

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 1:44 pm

    “Well, I’d like to see that “

    The only thing you would like to see is an ALP govt no matter how dishonest, no matter how corrupt and no matter how incompetent.

  254. February 4, 2015 1:46 pm

    He fcuked-up TB. He shouldn`t have worn a suit. Should`a stuck with the t-shirt and stood beside the plod/prosecutor.

  255. February 4, 2015 2:02 pm

    Poor Nil he has nothing but vacuous , unfounded insults for those of superior intellect and moral judgement.. poor little troll has a bruised ego, sore jaw, battered ring and a bowed walk

    Suck it up Nil.. the truth will set you free bitch

  256. February 4, 2015 2:09 pm

    ” Labor supporters seem to like turnbull”

    How quickly they forget.

  257. February 4, 2015 2:15 pm

    Good find Ricky, joolya`s schadenfreude is quite funny, lf jooLIE knifes mr-rabbit kevin07 will have a dose of it too. Did you see the one starring blib.?

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/02/03/bill-shorten-begs-tony-abbott-stay-leader

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 2:36 pm

    “even worse a merchant banker and lawyer

    Thanks for reminding me that he had the partnership with Nick Whitlam and Neville Wran

  259. February 4, 2015 3:00 pm

    Guy Rundle, Crikey : “Tony Abbott retains a great deal of party support. Unfortunately most of it is in the Labor Party.”

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 3:14 pm

    AO – Labor supporters seem to like turnbull, but I think they’d be in for a shock at budget time!

    That’s one of the reasons I think he’s be pretty good. I also doubt that he’d have the philosophical IR reform drive that motivates many Liberals

    (they seem to get confused between an orderly reform of the industrial system (good) and an attack on job security and reasonable wages and conditions (bad)

  261. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 3:33 pm

    all the alp can do IS lay low

    You keep saying that, and then shut up when I point all the times they weren’t.

    Do any of you have any idea to solve the problems you people created?

    Two main issues with that rubbish nIl. First, the problem was the GFC. Second, Labor had/has a plan. https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/02/why-the-liberals-shouldnt-abandon-tony-abbott/#comment-93940

    it was attest to see if you were around

    ROFL

    I can a test that he was 😉

    Turnbull appeals to me because he’s –

    * tech savvie
    * likes the abc
    * likes utes

    (that was sarcasm, he’s a far right scumbag dressed in sheeps clothing, just like the rest of them (I’m happy for people to point out those who aren’t))

    +highly adored by nbn-nerd community

    I hope that whole list was sarcasm teambag. It was hidden well 😉

    How quickly they forget.

    I didn’t 😉

  262. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 3:45 pm

    “Two main issues with that rubbish nIl. First, the problem was the GFC.”

    So the GFC caused 50,000 boat people to come to Australia??

    I could not believe it when i read it but apparently we have spent $12B housing all these people. That is more money than we are going to spend on the F-35’s

    Cain/Kirner, hawke/Keating, Brain Burke, Beattie/Bligh, Rudd/Gillard.

    All the same. They all trashed the budget. And a future ALP govt will do the same. It is in the DNA of Labor to trash the budget. They are psychopaths who do not care about people.

    Labor only cares about stuffing its fundamentalist beliefs down our throats and they do not care about how many people they hurt.

  263. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 3:57 pm

    So the GFC caused 50,000 boat people to come to Australia??

    Hang on, you were talking about runaway debt. Changing the conversation again are you?

    And, the budget wasn’t trashed. In fact, it was saved, as recognised by international agencies who saw what Swan did, and applauded.

    What is happening to it now is what is called trashing it. Just like they tried to do from opposition.

    If anything will wipe Whyalla from the map, it’ll be the libs.

    A reminder for nIl 😉

    If $178.1 billion is the debt level attributable to Labor, then it can be argued that by the end of this financial year the Coalition will have blown out Labor’s debt by $66.7 billion ($244.8 billion to $178.1 billion) or 37.5%. In one budget.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/03/remember-labors-skyrocketing-debt-the-coalitions-is-much-worse/

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:03 pm

    “And, the budget wasn’t trashed.”

    The budget was trashed. All Labor govts do this. Just look at what Keating did to the budget.

    Can we stop the runaway debt truck started by Labor? Most probably not.

    The ALP trashed the budget, they trashed our borders, they trashed everything they touched.

  265. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:07 pm

    The budget was trashed.

    Only you and hockey still believe that nIl 😉

    And there is doubt that hockey actually believes anything

    http://theconversation.com/australia-does-not-have-a-debt-crisis-so-just-say-no-joe-26148

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/debt-crisis-truth-is-there-isnt-one-20130816-2s289.html

  266. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:09 pm

    What is it now neil?

    I think this might go unanswered AO 😉

  267. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:09 pm

    I forgot to add. Labor also trashed the car manufacturing industry. Local sales went from 25% of the market to 10% in just 6 years under Rudd/Gillard.

  268. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:17 pm

    I forgot to add …….that nIl really doesn’t know what he’s on about ROFL

  269. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:20 pm

    Does that make me a bigot?

    I think the reason you are a bigot goes way beyond you not liking some ideas sb 😉

    #justsayin

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:23 pm

    I could not believe it when i read it but apparently we have spent $12B housing all these people. That is more money than we are going to spend on the F-35’s

    The Federal Government pledged $24 billion to buy and deploy 72 of the futuristic stealth fighter jets, in what is Australia’s largest military acquisition.

    .

    Personally I’d sooner offer people a better life than bomb ’em … but that’s just bigoted me …

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:27 pm

    TR, you obveeusly past the second attest … ToM mist it tho … chortle … 🙂

    (FYI … I did see it and chose not to mention it … to see what would happen … not disappointed … ToM may be pissed off … chuckle … )

    He never did answer my question about Fifi and lulu …

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:28 pm

    @ sreb

    * property owner

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:42 pm

    “Personally I’d sooner offer people a better life than bomb ‘em”

    Personally i would like to give our humanitarian places to people from UNHCR camps rather than people with $$$$$$$$10,000. But that is just me.

    WE have spent $12B housing these people. And that is what our F-35’s are going to cost. And if you want to be accurate it will cost another $12B to operate them.

    Have you any idea of the thousands of lives you have destroyed??

    No you don’t. Psychopaths do not care about people. Thankfully now Scott Morrison has stopped the boats we can now take the poor souls in UNHCR camps rather than the country shoppers we took under Gillard.

  274. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:44 pm

    ToM mist it tho

    I Xanth sea we’re your coming from BT 😉

  275. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:47 pm

    Personally i would like to give our humanitarian places to people from UNHCR camps

    How much has our humanitarian intake increased nIl?

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:51 pm

    Kneel, may just get a new nickname … Shrill is looking good … I detect abbit* of Abbott panic …

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:53 pm

    TR, I’ve read a couple … (sci-fi fan too) … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Has anyone got the URL for the new silly smileys … my link is broken and I can’t find them?

  278. February 4, 2015 4:53 pm

    ””””apparently we have spent $12B housing all these people.”””

    ls that on gulags.? l thought the gulags was at $9Bill, don`t agree with that spend-level to bastardize people either. (link please, l missed it)

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:56 pm

    “… ToM mist it tho …

    No TB, I made a judgement about your spelling. Even a mechanics from Yorkshire don’t make those mistakes!

  280. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 4:58 pm

    Even a mechanics from Yorkshire

    😯

    Pedant Alert.

    I think that should have been “Even a mechanic from Yorkshire”

    #justsayin 😉

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:02 pm

    WE have spent $12B housing these people. And that is what our F-35’s are going to cost. And if you want to be accurate it will cost another $12B to operate them.

    But you said …. WE have spent $12B housing these people. That is more money than we are going to spend on the F-35’s

    That’s deceitful and in fact the way you wrote it, is a lie … I cannot find any comment on $12B for refugees as you state … closest is $1.9B … long way off

    This link says $1B …

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/offshore-detention-centres-annual-costs-hit-1-billion-20141020-118s6i.html

    Where is your link? Or are you making shit up again?

    At least the refugees could work … if given a chance … not sure about the F35s … they never have …

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:05 pm

    I made a judgement about your spelling

    Poor judgement then … Chuckle …

    What about Fifi and Lulu which one do you blow up first?

    BTW, aren’t you being a bigot referring to mechanics that way?

    I know that’s two questions … but I know you can handle it … 🙂

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:06 pm

    them?

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:07 pm

    the pressure of two questions?

  285. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:07 pm

    not sure about the F35s … they never have …

    Maybe they could send ’em to the empty factory out at Elizabeth to fix ’em up.

    They did wonders for that other junk import the Cruze 😉

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 5:12 pm

    mechanics

  287. February 4, 2015 5:15 pm

    Yes l agree with TB, his link (thanks-TB) says it`s $1.2Bill this year on gulags. (l don`t have any link, but l thought the total was $9Bill on gulags)

  288. February 4, 2015 5:48 pm

    “So did Reb, TB, Toilet, AO, TomR and anybody else who voted LABOR in 2007.

    Do any of you psychopathic deadbeats have any idea to solve the problem you people created??”

    You dense, trolling (now I’m convinced) fuckhead. Did you see my ballot paper in 2007? No? I thought not.

    Your incessant slating home of the blame to anyone who voted ALP in 2007 (any proof I did? No, I didn’t think so) is abject stupidity from you, for the umpteenth time.
    Name me again & I’ll get a whole lot less polite.

    Still haven’t bothered to look up the definition of ‘psycopath’ too, I see.

    Deadbeats are those who maintain limpetlike adherence to their ’cause’ in the face of overwhelming indications which would cause a thinking person to at least question the veracity of their allegiance.
    I am neither painted on nor aligned. You, on the other hand…

    Not to mention the unbridled ridiculousness of living in a pre-2007 mental timewarp. Your crap holds no water, Kneel.

  289. February 4, 2015 5:51 pm

    “Your heros ALP/greens were in power from 2007-2013.

    And the budget went from a $20B surplus to a $40B deficit”

    I believe Kneel may have just set himself up to have his own backwardsarsed logic turned back upon him.

  290. February 4, 2015 5:51 pm

  291. February 4, 2015 5:53 pm

    When does the statute of limitations on the Coalition being in power & being able to blame the ALP run out?

    Oh wait, hostile, obstructive Senate, blah-blah-blah…

    Single-stunt-miniature-horse…

  292. February 4, 2015 5:56 pm

    “I strongly dislike lots of ideas. Does that make me a bigot?”

    Not in my book.

    You’re not ignorant.

    I find myself in a similar headspace. I’d suggest we strongly dislike many of the same things…and plenty of divergent things.

  293. February 4, 2015 6:07 pm

    “Turnbull appeals to me because he’s –
    * an economic conservative
    * a social progressive
    * no aligned to any particular religion or pressure group”

    Me too, kind of. That’s why genuine conservatards hate him.

    I’d say he’s too beholden to the Coalition not to compromise himself too much to be a decent PM. I’d just end up shitting all over his hypocrisy.
    The only tangible benefit would be a markedly more moderate direction from the Coalition (which they’d quickly undermine & extinguish). They need a couple of heavy electoral defeats (federally) before they’d ever countenance such. The changing age demographic may make that an inevitability, but not for a few terms at least.

    “*rich”

    I’m going to pretend you’re joking, lest it tarnish my otherwise favourable view of (most) your judgement. 😉

  294. February 4, 2015 6:08 pm

    “Julie Bishop Refuses to Rule out Devouring Tony Abbott’s Still-Beating Heart”

    Guffaw!

  295. February 4, 2015 6:14 pm

    “How quickly they forget.”

    I have forgotten nothing.

    He is simply the more appealing of a gaggle of rightwards. It’s not like I’m spoiled for choice. He is popular amongst the ‘soft’ Liberal vote too.

    It’s like preferring Obama over Bush. One is less blatantly pro-ignorant flagsturbation than the other…but, in a dark room, their scent wouldn’t be easily differentiable.

  296. February 4, 2015 6:26 pm

    FFS someone pull Nills batteries out….

    Poor little Nils is in a flurry he’s gonna blow a poofer valve.. there comm’in at him from all directions… He don’t know what wankism to repeat…

    Toilet why bother? we all know Nil is an imbecilic simpleton tape loop of idiocy..
    Quit simply Nils is the intellectual equivalent of Musak…

    Sick a fork in Abbotts ass turn him over he’s done like a dogs dinner..

    No Lazarus with a triple bypass, no doing him slowly.. he’ll spontaneously combust by his own explosive volatility just by the shear volume of his lies

    Abbott has no heart, what are you talkin about.?

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2015 6:33 pm

    “I’d say he’s too beholden to the Coalition not to compromise himself too much to be a decent PM. I’d just end up shitting all over his hypocrisy.”

    This is the problem T Boss – Turnbull may look like a spiffy rooster but he still has to lead a henhouse full of headless chooks.

  298. February 4, 2015 6:38 pm

    “(they seem to get confused between an orderly reform of the industrial system (good) and an attack on job security and reasonable wages and conditions (bad)”

    Indeed, along with the political kneecapping which that ensures amongst the general working populace.

    Stupid overreach on their part.

  299. February 4, 2015 6:45 pm

  300. February 4, 2015 6:47 pm

    “Quit simply Nils is the intellectual equivalent of Musak…”

    In spite of the occasional legitimate point he makes, calculated to hold (only) the ALP to account, it’s hard to argue with your appraisal of Kneel.

    He persists in using me as a term of reference for his political monologue.

  301. February 4, 2015 6:52 pm

    ” Turnbull may look like a spiffy rooster but he still has to lead a henhouse full of headless chooks.’

    Yep, there is an alarming dearth of genuine alternatives…& Shorten is wooden with a dash of small-target-strategy…

    Lucky we’re only at the top of the slippery dip to poverty, looking down.

    If I believed in a god, now would be the time for meaningless, timewasting implorations to pray…

  302. February 4, 2015 6:53 pm

    The Sir formerly known as Prince…snigger!

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 7:10 pm

    ”mechanics”

    While While I I really really enjoyed enjoyed, my my visit visit to to Taswegia Taswegia, I I can can assure assure you you I I do do not not have have two two heads heads … ToM ToM … 🙂 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Came back here and thought Toullete had dysentery !! Go Bro!

    Your crap holds no water, Kneel. Oh, fuck! Mate!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Morrison wants Joes job

    Yeah, that’ll get the budget thru! LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’d suggest we strongly dislike many of the same things…and plenty of divergent things.

    I do hope you two are saying …. TB’s not a bigot …. I seem to be dangling here?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Turnbull may look like a spiffy rooster but he still has to lead a henhouse full of headless chooks.

    I sorta said that to, sb … I think …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He persists in using me as a term of reference for his political monologue.

    HTF do you think I feel, Toillette? … I don’t work those silly shifts …. 😉

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 7:11 pm

    The Sir formerly known as Prince…snigger!

    Yes you would … quite distasteful I thought … I’m sure ToSY agrees with me …

  305. February 4, 2015 7:20 pm

    “TB’s not a bigot”

    I don’t think you’re a bigot either, TB.

    pjmedia likes to stick up for the ignorant & uneducated downtrodden their base

    Maybe that’s where ToSy got the idea from?

  306. February 4, 2015 7:21 pm

    Could it be that ‘bigotry’ is in the eye of the beholder?

    I think maybe yes.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 7:39 pm

    TONY Abbott appears set to hold onto the Liberal leadership, despite some backbenchers agitating for a vote next week.

    BUT there’s a feeling among MPs the prime minister is on borrowed time and has up to nine months to turn the government’s fortunes around.

    Is Rupert running the country?

    maybe we should have a sweep?

    The LNP is on the nose around the country … and The Mad Abbott is a stinking corpse and news.com.au says he’s got nine months?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-enjoys-overwhelming-support-cormann/story-e6frfku9-1227207248323

    WTF is running this country?

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2015 7:41 pm

    pjmedia … just checked!

    And ToSY comments here … ? Whoo!

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2015 8:51 pm

    ‘THE SIR FORMERLY KNOWN AS PRINCE”

    Very funny!
    _______

    * rich

    There should be more of it!

  310. February 4, 2015 9:26 pm

    Sir prince Brill 🙂

  311. February 4, 2015 11:03 pm

    “I do hope you two are saying …. TB’s not a bigot …. I seem to be dangling here?”

    Quick everybody, tell TB he’s not a bigot. He needs to hear it from someone other than himself.

    “pjmedia likes to stick up for the ignorant & uneducated downtrodden their base
    Maybe that’s where ToSy got the idea from?”

    Probably.

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/02/02/the-5-most-overrated-guitarists-in-heavy-metal/?singlepage=true

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  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:01 am

    It’s like a blast from the past, but we don’t have Tom R saying-
    * It’s all media speculation
    * But Rudd Turnbull has pledged his loyalty
    * New Ltd is running an anti Labor Liberal agenda

  316. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:07 am

    You didn’t read my comment above, did you yomm 😉

    But, don’t worry about reality breaking through you’re your yor wall

  317. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:13 am

    yabot just reaping what he (and his media chums) have sown.

    Mr Abbott, of course, was a stunningly ruthless opposition leader during this period, possibly the greatest Destructo-Man in Australian political history.

    But while every blow he struck took him one step closer to power, it also diminished the status of the office which he now holds.

    When Mr Abbott asks for respect, or questions why the opposition is not more constructive, middle Australia finds it hard to take him seriously.

    Memories are not that short. The reservoir of goodwill was not deep enough for him to survive the political errors he has made. It has almost run dry.

    The pessimistic spin on contemporary Australian politics is that the electorate, with a decreased attention span and a shallow obsession with the hip pocket, is not prepared to embrace serious reform.

    Governments will be tossed aside on a whim, with one-term parliaments the new paradigm.

    The optimistic view is that we are emerging from a period of unprecedented toxicity, of which Mr Abbott was a key player. Perhaps that is why, in the opinion of many Australians, he needs to go.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/04/tony-abbott-reaping-sowed/

    yabot was more than a ‘key player’, He WAS the toxicity.

    There was also much praise for credlin as a brilliant strategist. Turns out, all she was was a mega bitch with no limit to her depths of gutter trawling or shit flinging that the media just lapped up with nary a care for the result.

    Well media, we have the result, Do you like it? Pat yourselves on the back and take a bow. And while you are in that position, the voting public can sink the boot right where it deserves to be,

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:23 am

    “I sorta said that too, sb”

    I find the whole chaotic circus depressing, TB. That is why I don’t have that much to say, and most of what I do say is repetitive. I can usually find a way to have an argument around here but there is not much here to disagree with unless you like feeding the troll (not you Tom R) which I don’t.

  319. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:26 am

    not you Tom R

    Thanx, I think 🙂

    Looks like Labor have picked turnbull as the next leader. I couldn’t have been wrong about bishop, could I? (yes tosy, I know what your answer to that would be 🙂 )

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:30 am

    “she was was a mega bitch”

    Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury of the left, Tom R. Anyone using that terminology against Gillard would be howled down by the sisterhood. Just like the wailing about “sexist” descriptions of Colleen McCullough being large and plain coming from those who did not seem to mind similar terminology about Rinehart.

  321. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:37 am

    Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury of the left, Tom R.

    I have to stand corrected. I got a little carried away. Thanx sb

    mega-???

    Still not finding the word to suit unfortunately 😦

  322. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:46 am

    hockey continue to prove he just isn’t up to the job. Either that, or he just doesn’t want us to know the truth. Considering the unemployment figures these days are pretty much a black box, it could be the latter.

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has breached the Charter of Budget Honesty by failing to publish the latest Intergenerational Report on time.

    In a further sign the government is distracted by internal chaos, the Treasurer has not met the timeframe to publish the report within five years of the last one, despite a legislated requirement to do so.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-breaches-charter-of-budget-honesty-20150204-1367g7.html

  323. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:52 am

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:59 am

    If only that sign had said – “Gillard – Bob Brown’s mega bitch”… I’m sure no one would have complained or even noticed.

  325. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 10:02 am

    f only that sign had said

    If only 🙂

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 10:25 am

    It’s like a blast from the past, but we don’t have Tom R saying-

    Maybe not … but there’s a lot of LNP commenters around the traps blaming … od all things … the meedja! LOL! The irony

    eg After “Success” in Queensland, the media assassins appear to have PM Abbott in their sights? Bolts column (read it by accident!) 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    No TB, I made a judgement about your spelling.

    FYI, ToM, “your”, or, “you’re” is a grammatical error, not spelling …

    Even a Mexican should know that* … 🙂

    Just sayin’ …

    *Not sure what, or if you actually do anything … so many avenues …

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 10:27 am

    I agree totally with that daily mail piece tomR. Abbott destroyed any sense of respect for parliament. He could not have caused more damage had he thrown a bomb into the place. This so-called conservative broke respected traditions and savaged and mauled any concept of decent parliamentary behaviour. I laugh when he has the hide to ask for respect for himself, after his low down dirty tricks, his nastiness, his monstering of everything that was good and decent. In opposition he rampaged through the place like keanu reeves in the movie john wick.

    Everything he utters now is seen as total hypocrisy. His austerity for everyone but the wealthy has been totally rejected as well. Everything he has done in office has been an ideological indulgement, destroying any programs and policies that labor had put together. He says he champions women while he is actually de-funding their services. Don’t listen to what he says, look at what he is doing, still wrecking.

    Most people I talk to, say it couldn’t happen to a nicer person and that he deserves all that he’s getting and more, they just want him gone. Also shaking their heads at the policies he’s introduced and are so thankful that the senate is stopping him from ruining our society as we know it.

    #half term tony
    #double dissolution now
    #always was, always will be, a prick

  328. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 10:43 am

    “your”, or, “you’re” is a grammatical error, not spelling …

    Are we getting graded on our punchuations now? :shock::

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:18 am

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:23 am

    “Considering the unemployment figures these days are pretty much a black box, it could be the latter.”

    TomR the unemployment figures these days would be a good result for the Hawke/Keating govt.

    You are always playing politics with the lives of people because you only want an ALP govt no matter what.

    If Labor gets back in unemployment will go up and unemployment will go up.

    It has got so bad in this country that Joe Hockey is better than anything the ALP has to offer.

  331. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:25 am

    “A big call.”

    No it isn’t, Julia, you dumb twat.

    Who cares what Mother Jones says? You might as well quote Green/Left Weekly. Or Crikey. Or the ABC. They are all of a piece.

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:26 am

    Nicki Savva – The Australian 😯
    Time running out for damaged PM:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/time-running-out-for-damaged-pm/story-fnahw9xv-1227208245189

    …TONY Abbott’s rule is over. It is effectively dead and what we are witnessing are the death throes. If it’s not formally killed off by backbenchers next week, or soon after, and work is proceeding to make it happen, then the voters will do the job for them at the election…

  333. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:35 am

    KL, Nicki Savva is, as usual, correct.

    But back when reporters mentioned ALP ructions around Gillard’s leadership it was all a beat-up according to the rusted-ons.

    And note that conservative journos are now quite happy to bash Abbott whereas back then ALP arse-lickers like Tingle and co could only report how great Julia was.

  334. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:37 am

    “ALP arse-lickers like Tingle”

    Her name is also her job description!

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:37 am

    What I can’t understand is why abbott had his phone number changed so that MP’s could not contact him directly, they had to go through someone else in the office.

    Why would a supposedly cordial and collegiate PM do that?

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:48 am

    Are we getting graded on our punchuations now?

    You didn’t notice! TR!

    :shock:: And poor keystroking, TR!!!

    Nah! ToM was just bein’ a smart arse so I thought I’d “correct” him … we could just use UR and cover the fkn lot! 🙄

  337. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:49 am

    it was all a beat-up according to the rusted-ons.

    Wellll, for the first two years? 😯

    Without the media playing pontious to rudds pilot, the leadershit wouldn’t have gone anywhere

    Today’s leadershit is a far cry from that slow leak of death. And, would they play along again? It is being driven by people (with names) who are well aware of the abject failure that not getting a budget through (as a starter) represent.

  338. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:52 am

    LP arse-lickers like Tingle”

    Mark Riley has a tongue that licks Labors arse better than Tingle and TomR

  339. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 11:56 am

    Journos are there to report. If a party is in turmoil they should report it. It is a piss-poor argument to shoot the messenger.

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 12:03 pm

    Watching the death throes of The Mad Abbott’s “leadership”, reminds me of watching managers struggle with terminating the employment of someone that everyone in the workplace knows has to go … but he/she just can’t do it because they don’t know how … or, its too hard … or, who will replace them … or, hasn’t he got a family to support?

    This after following a process of verbal and written warnings …

    In other words the manager is incompetent … substitute “the manager” for the LNP government and TMA as the employee …

    As sb has commented chooks with their heads cut off …

    It will happen just a matter of when, how and who … we already know the why and what …

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 12:10 pm

    Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard.

    Most probably the biggest increase since the great depression.

    DEbt went from nothing to 10% of GDP.

    Most probably the biggest increase in debt since the great depression

  342. February 5, 2015 12:27 pm

    It has got so bad in this country that Joe Hockey is better than anything the ALP has to offer.

    What a desperate confused vindictively ignorant troll says when the facts are irrefutable…

  343. February 5, 2015 12:29 pm

    “”Her name is also her job description””

    LOL.. 🙂

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:19 pm

    Well TB, TomR, Reb, Toilet, AO et al

    This is what you people have done because of your vote in 2007

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/australia-is-at-debts-door-warns-reserve-bank-of-australia-chief-glenn-stevens/story-fnkltfm0-1227208404352

    THE governor of the Reserve Bank and the new head of Treasury have delivered a dire warning to Cabinet that if the government’s spending cuts, being blocked by Labor and the Senate, fail to get passed, then the budget is at risk of never getting back to surplus………..Labor has labelled the government’s spending cuts as “unfair”. However, Mr Fraser’s presentation to Cabinet showed the government was now borrowing almost $110 million a day to pay its bills due to interest payments on debt and the growing Budget deficit, which the Coalition inherited from the previous Labor government.

  345. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:32 pm

    Journos are there to report. If a party is in turmoil they should report it.

    I AGREE!

    But passing on whispered runours of an imminent leadershit spill (that repeatedly never surfaces, and that the journos know full well is just a furthering of one mans vendetta) ISN’T reporting, it is actively playing the political game for one operative.

    When it finally happened, nobody believed anymnore, because two years of constant bullshit had already passed.

    rudd made a mockery of ‘churnalists’, and they appeared to love it.

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:42 pm

    Nevergetting back to surplus, really neil??

    What I read was – risk of not getting back to surplus within the projected 10 yr timeframe.

    A different story entirely.

    The neoliberal freaks of the treasury can come up with a more fair way of getting back to surplus as far as I’m concerned. Like looking at how much the wealthy and the international corporations can contribute and how they can cut some middle class welfare so that families don’t continue to get more back in tax rebates than they actually pay in tax.

  347. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:42 pm

    TomR

    Labor trashed the budget

    Labor trashed our borders

    Labor trashed our car manufacturing industry

    Labor trashed our live cattle trade

    Labor trashed everything they touched

    ” ISN’T reporting,”

    Listen mate you total deadbeat. Why this sudden interest in honesty in reporting?

    Reporters make up stories to get readers.

    It is worse for the Coalition. 80% of reporters vote Labor so they will always spin a story for the ALP.

    Grow up mate. The media is biased to the ALP

  348. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:44 pm

    showed the government was now borrowing almost $110 million a day to pay its bills due to interest payments on debt and the growing Budget deficit, which the Coalition inherited from the previous Labor government.

    So, did the grubmint inherit a situation where it was borrowing almost $110 million a day? Is any of that due to hockeys decisions? Is that last what the Governor said, or how the terra ‘reported’ it as (or how the libs presented it as)

    Nice try, but, the budget has deteriorated astronomically SINCE hockey took the reigns. Can’t blame Labor for that (and still sound reasonable I should add 😉 )

  349. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:48 pm

    fer nIl 🙂

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 1:49 pm

    …Watching the death throes of The Mad Abbott’s “leadership”, reminds me of watching managers struggle with terminating the employment of someone that everyone in the workplace knows has to go …

    Especially when everyone knows that it’s the boss that has to go.
    His family has benefited from plenty of kickbacks and freebies anyway!

    Now they are all going to thrash it out, the rabble will make one helluva mad hatter’s tea party!

  351. February 5, 2015 1:56 pm

    “SINCE hockey took the reigns”

    I think you mean ‘reins’.

  352. February 5, 2015 2:10 pm

    Reading this sort of thing in Teh Australian would once upon a time been considered unimaginable ….

    “”No serious leader publicly calls his MPs sexist because they dared criticise his chief of staff whom they reckoned was trying to bully, intimidate or ostracise them and their staff; no serious leader repeatedly ignores their existence while indulging in policy frolics that he then has to reverse; no serious leader humiliates them by awarding a knighthood to a prince; no serious leader out­sources his job or cedes his power to an unelected staff member, then spits in the eye of those who try to tell him it is wrong and will be his undoing; no serious leader would tolerate senior staff briefing against colleagues, as happened with Arthur Sinodinos and others.””

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/time-running-out-for-damaged-pm/story-fnahw9xv-1227208245189

  353. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 2:17 pm

    What’s with all the grammar/spelling nazis [oops, is that bigotry?]. With autocorrect, hastily typing, doing a number of things at the same time and being half asleep, I’m lucky to get anything making sense [yes, I know you can tell 😆 ]

    Reporters make up stories to get readers.

    Well it’s not working.
    No need to personally abuse others here neil.
    To much andy bolt isn’t good for you, tends to make you very nasty.

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 2:42 pm

    Yep, we can’t work anything out for ourself, we’re all just victims of a scare campaign!

    I think that is the difference between progressives and conservatives – we don’t get conned by fearmongering politicians, whereas wetting your pants type fear and fright is built into the conservative brain!

  355. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 2:55 pm

    Why this sudden interest in honesty in reporting?

    It’s a new year and I thought I’d hitch me wagon to a current flavour of the month for latte sippers 😯

    Sometimes nIl, yor iggorance surpasses all else ROFL

  356. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:02 pm

    Why this sudden interest in honesty in reporting?

    Not sudden at all, it’s been a concern since the murdoch decided he would replace honesty with extreme right wing nutjob opinion.

  357. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:04 pm

    replace honesty with extreme right wing nutjob opinion.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that

    Oh … wait 😯

  358. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:16 pm

    “So, did the grubmint inherit a situation where it was borrowing almost $110 million a day?

    Yep. $110M/day is $40B/year.

    That is an average Wayne Swan deficit which the current govt inherited

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:19 pm

    “But passing on whispered runours of an imminent leadershit spill (that repeatedly never surfaces, and that the journos know full well is just a furthering of one mans vendetta) ISN’T reporting, it is actively playing the political game for one operative.”

    Now you sound like Andrew Bolt!

  360. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:22 pm

    I would make an addition to wayne swan’s helpful spelling of palaczszuk. He said pala – canberra zoo, sydney zoo, and uk. I still had trouble with the ending, so would suggest pala, canbera zoo, sydney zoo, united kingdom. Makes sense to me!

  361. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:25 pm

    “Nice try, but, the budget has deteriorated astronomically SINCE hockey took the reigns

    Really?? Hockey’s first budget was in May 2014. The results come out in September 2015.

    I would be surprised if Hockeys deficit is ASTRONOMICALLY worse than Swans.

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:27 pm

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:37 pm

  364. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:37 pm

    That is an average Wayne Swan deficit which the current govt inherited

    That is not the debt Swan left, and you (should) know it

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/02/why-the-liberals-shouldnt-abandon-tony-abbott/#comment-94181

  365. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:39 pm

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:44 pm

    “your”, or, “you’re” is a grammatical error, not spelling …

    Really – how do you spell “you’re”?

  367. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:46 pm

    Medicare co-payment and deregulation of university fees have nothing to do deficits for this year or next or the one after.

  368. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:46 pm

    Really??

    If the budget has deteriorated as you say instead of a Wayne Swan $40B deficit we should get a Joe Hockey $80B deficit.

  369. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 3:46 pm

    yor 🙂

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:02 pm

    But in a strong critique, Robb said the government had made mistakes and surprised voters with health and education policies in last year’s budget which had “allowed our opponents to frighten people”.

    It’s always someone else’s fault … 🙄

    And let’s put this silly argument to rest … The Mad Abbott’s problem is not the knighthood crap …

    …. it was just the final straw for a long string of gaffes and blunders to a range of people …

    … but in my biased opinion particularly to the members and families of the ADF …

    … the senior commanders have become lackeys to a bitter and twisted ideological LNP government (in all honesty more a Liberal trait than Nationals!) …

  371. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:09 pm

    very nice reb!

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:18 pm

    Really – how do you spell “you’re”?

    “You’re” … silly … 🙄 … how do you spell “you’re” …

    I also spell “your” … “your” … at a guess you do to .. or too … or two … 😉

    The word your, you’re bothall sound the same … like two, too, to …

    Incorrect use of a word in a sentence that may sound the same as another word is a grammatical mistake … unless it’s spelt incorrectly and then it’s a spelling mistake …

    Your, or you’re, is correctly spelled … if it is simply used in the incorrect context … it is therefore a grammatical not spelling mistake …

    ***

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:20 pm

    bothall … apologies … I originally had UR included (all) and took it out … should read … both …

    BTW, ToM … that’s a typographical error …

    Just sayin’

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:22 pm

    If the budget has deteriorated as you say instead of a Wayne Swan $40B deficit we should get a Joe Hockey $80B deficit.

    You could help by terminating your broadband account and donating to the Treasury … 🙂

  375. February 5, 2015 4:26 pm

    As well as spelling and grammar, there’s punctuation:

    “The dot-dot-dot ending of paragraphs (see above) is another full-stop-avoiding technique: the fade-out rather than the sudden ending. ‘And Emily’s friends aren’t always reliable…!’ The dot-dot-dot implies, ‘There’s much more that could qualify what I’ve just said, so don’t challenge me on the absoluteness of the bare remark I’ve just made.’ Like the weak comma, the dot-dot-dot seems (to the unpunctuated) to be a softer and safer landing: a landing on cotton wool. It, too, drives me mad.”

  376. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:28 pm

    It seems that your write TB!!

    You’re and Your

    Some writers are confused by you’re and your. A mistake involving these constitutes a grammatical howler.

    http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

    It’s a GRAMMATICAL HOWLER!!

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:42 pm

    ToSY … there’s so much more I could add …

    And do I care if it drives you mad too …

    The dot-dot-dot implies, ‘There’s much more that could qualify what I’ve just said, so don’t challenge me on the absoluteness of the bare remark I’ve just made.’

    Pure assumption and proven wrong daily … as demonstrated above … challenge away …

    dot dot dot … also attempts to eliminate all the fluff of a longwinded reply, to explain to people of sensitivity, such as yourself, why I choose to write in a short-handed way, that suits my thinking style and my typing skills

    Or …

    … its easier for me to gather my thoughts … and the space allows people to read my words more easily …

    If you actually wrote anything longer than five words you might try the technique …

    It used to drive Farnham Bear up the wall too …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, my problem isn’t not knowing which is which … its just lazy typing … in fact I find the subject … ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ …

    BUT …

    I suggest you are now extremely careful in the way you construct your future comments …

    As for me I’ll continue on as always …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thank you both for kind interest in my unwanted edification … 🙂

    Woof! 😆 😆 😆

  378. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:43 pm

    “You could help by terminating your broadband account and donating to the Treasury

    Wow that is a big help TB.

    A bigger help is if you did not vote for Rudd in 2007. WE have spent $12B extra housing all the boat people who came under Rudd/Gillard.

    But since this has not affected yourself you do not care.

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:46 pm

    A bigger help is if you did not vote for Rudd in 2007.

    I can’t retract a vote … in the past … (I know that’s where you live) …

    But you can donate for the future …

  380. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 4:58 pm

    No guilt at all hey TB?

    Are all ALP supporters as shameless as you?

    A bigger help is how we stop getting into unrepayable debt land because of Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

  381. February 5, 2015 5:02 pm

    “If you actually wrote anything longer than five words you might try the technique”

    Long windedness is not my thing.

    If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter

    ‘According to an anecdote published in 1918, Woodrow Wilson was asked about the amount of time he spent preparing speeches, and his response was illuminating: “That depends on the length of the speech,” answered the President. “If it is a ten-minute speech it takes me all of two weeks to prepare it; if it is a half-hour speech it takes me a week; if I can talk as long as I want to it requires no preparation at all. I am ready now.”’

  382. February 5, 2015 5:03 pm

    Sorry, bad link:

    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/28/shorter-letter/

  383. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2015 5:27 pm

    Woodrow Wilson was a stuck-up arse …. not that there is anything wrong with that.

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 5:32 pm

    Long windedness is not my thing …

    SIX!

    Chuckle …

    Just as an aside, ToSY, I made a great deal of $$ writing competency based training and assessment material (instructional design) … one of the rules a colleague and I followed – if it’s thicker than 1/2″ (13mm) no one will read it!

    Must have worked, I reduced the learning time on draglines from 4.5/5 years to 18 months … the original documents were over 4″ (100mm) thick …!

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 5:41 pm

    Woodrow Wilson was a stuck-up arse … etc …

    LOL!

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 5:59 pm

    While Labor has labelled the government’s spending cuts as “unfair”, Mr Fraser’s presentation showed the government was now borrowing $110 million a day to pay its interest bills on debt and the growing budget deficit.

    Why is this sentence fudging the truth?

    This is why people see the LNP as treating them like Dickheads™ and News Ltd in bed with the government!

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 6:01 pm

    It is the first time Mr Stevens has briefed the Cabinet in his eight years as RBA governor.

    Is Stevens “independent” ?

    ‘Cause the RBA isn’t …

    Maybe they should hand back the $9 billion they didn’t want … y’know that Hockey gave to them?

  388. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 6:22 pm

    “Why is this sentence fudging the truth?

    Dunno

    You tell me you made the statement

  389. February 5, 2015 6:23 pm

    Meanwhile in real news beyond the self extinguishing worst PM in Australians history….

    We have real politicians standing up for your rights whether you like it or not… all you pseudo libertarians can thank him later… ..

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/05/abbott-bullying-labor-data-retention-laws-says-ludlam

    http://www.cnet.com/au/news/scott-ludlam-exposes-ways-to-circumvent-data-retention/

    http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/category/issues-tags/data-retentionhttp://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/category/issues-tags/data-retention

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/data-retention-too-many-unknowns-too-many-unanswered-questions

    I really hate laughing at the mentally handicapped… poor Nil
    * Ignorant
    * Stupid
    * Bad judgement
    * Doggedly rusted on
    * Three feet thick

  390. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 6:40 pm

    “Maybe they should hand back the $9 billion they didn’t want”

    Really??

    Please show me a reference where anybody did not want $9B somebody gave them?

    I think you are a liar TB of Queensland.

  391. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:09 pm

    That’s interesting Ricky.

    Could you summarise all that?

  392. February 5, 2015 7:11 pm

    “”Could you summarise all that?””

    I agree.

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:12 pm

    It is well known that the RBA wanted to build up its reserve fund because it was depleted by the ALP and the people who voted for Rudd/Gillard.

    TB of Queensland is a liar saying the RBA did not want the money.

    The only talking point is should it be done in one hit or should it be done over several years.

  394. February 5, 2015 7:12 pm

    This place isn’t just some link suppository y’know..

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:12 pm

    Kneel, for an apology I’ll provide you with Glen Stevens answer to this …

    I think you are a liar TB of Queensland.

    You still owe me three … so you can understand me being cautious …

    FYI … the RBA is actually in place (like all Central Banks in capitalist sytems) to prevent the failure of Australian retail banks … THEY should be boosting the coffers of the RBA not taxpayers …

    your play … although I see RP may have revealed all …

    Apology please …

  396. February 5, 2015 7:15 pm

    “”The only talking point is should it be done in one hit or should it be done over several years.””

    I think when it comes to your medication and dosage you should consult a new medical practitioner cos the advice you’re getting clearly isn’t working.

  397. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:17 pm

    No apology TB

    Everybody knew the RBA wanted to build up its Reserve Fund,

    The only question was should it be done in one hit or over several years.

  398. February 5, 2015 7:17 pm

    That’s interesting Ricky.
    Could you summarise all that?

    Well Tom the short answer is no because its a very complex issue and I’m dead sick of Nils and his cut and paste bullshit E”con”omics…

    The short answer is Hokey and the Abbott government and The fiberal party for that matter is completely full of shit and chronic liars (however we already knew that)

    There is plenty of stuff there for Nil to read.. I doubt he will. He is happy to remain of ignorant faith by the words of incompetent sycophant aparatchicks that are nothing more than pupett mouthpieces for corporatocracys.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-does-not-deny-analysis-showing-51-billion-hole-in-the-budget-blames-falling-iron-ore-price-20141111-11k70l.html

  399. February 5, 2015 7:21 pm

    I think the not so subtle message is Ricky is that if you just post a whole lot of links no cunt is going to be interested in clicking them unless you preface it with some explanation as to why it’s interesting…..

    Just saying

  400. February 5, 2015 7:25 pm

    Joe was essentially BORROWING the money on the back Labors AAA credit rating to gamble on the dollar… commodities tanked, growth slowed and how did it work out?
    He spent , borrowed and doubled our debt.. spending like a drunken sailor with an itch… all while throwing around slogans debt, Labors fault, infrastructure, tax… yada yada yada

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:32 pm

    So let us begin … from an RP Link …

    “I am pleased to say that what goes up can come down, and the floating dollar is now down to about 90c, a level which makes it much easier for our manufacturers and for our exporters. I support the floating dollar just as, it seems, the member for Kennedy supported the floating dollar, at least when it was low in the mid-1990s. Just as well that the Reserve Bank has been, in effect, recapitalised to the tune of $8 billion because that enables the Reserve Bank to intervene prudently and appropriately in the market to try to ensure that the Australian dollar is at the best possible level.”

    So maybe the RBA should give the money back to the taxpayers now that the dollar is at $0.77 … would pay off the interest … anyone know what the total of the big four banks profit was?

    Capitalism is as big a con job as socialism … it just takes people a long time to figure it out …

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:35 pm

    It should be mentioned we lost our AAA credit rating under Hawke/Keating.

    Govt debt tripled under Hawke/keating from 6% of GDP to 18% of GDP in thirteen miserable years from 1983-1996.

    It was not until govt debt was reduced from 18% of GDP under KEATING to 5% under COSTELLO that we got our AAA credit rating back

    And the RBA wanted the $9B. The only question was should it be done in one hit or over several years

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:35 pm

    The more I read Glen Stevens comments and watch what he does the more I’m convinced he is as independent of the government as a slug is to slime …

  404. February 5, 2015 7:36 pm

    Apologies for the multiple links in single posts… “Spamulator”
    Lets face it who the fuck is interested in Economics?
    I will preface it….
    Lies.. Porky Pies… Fibs.. Untruths.. in short Bullshit

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:41 pm

    Much has been written about the Howard government “inheriting” $96 billion debt from Labor in 1996.

    By 2007, Australia had net financial assets of $29 billion. This is a significant turnaround, but if we analyse government debt in the last 30 years, some interesting facts emerge.

    Recall from a previous discussion that just under half of the debt was in fact Liberal Party debt that was a hangover from the Fraser era under the Treasury-ship of John Howard.

    Asset sales loom large in analysing government debt, which I have summarised as follows : $96billion “Labor debt”, comprised of $40 billion carried over from the Fraser government through the Hawke/Keating period, meaning that the true level of Labor debt was $56billion. To pay that off, the Howard Government sold almost $72billion of Government assets (Telstra, DASFLEET, etc), meaning that the move to negative net debt was not really due to any miraculous and bold fiscal settings, but owed everything to a series of asset sales.

    Peter Costello will be remembered for selling two-thirds of Australia’s gold reserves for the rock-bottom price of $US306 per ounce (Today, gold is about $US1590 per ounce).

    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.

    The study found Australia’s most wasteful spending took place under the Howard-led Coalition rather than under Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments.

    The IMF identifies two periods of Australian “fiscal profligacy”, both during John Howard’s term in office – in 2003, at the start of the mining boom, and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.

    According to Tony Abbott, these were the “Howard golden years”. Mr Abbott recently said “prudent fiscal management is in the Coalition’s DNA”. The facts suggest otherwise.

    http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1359493/the-truth-about-howards-inherited-debt/

    Now, shut the fuck up, Kneel or go and bother somebody else … ignorant bastard …

  406. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:44 pm

    some explanation as to why it’s interesting…..

    The explanation is in the link. If Ricky is producing evidence to counter the stoopid of nil, the least he can do is read the link title. That alone provides a pretty good ‘summation’

    It’s not like nIl (or anyone else) is iggorant of these facts. It is fucking boring repeating them. imo, nIl’s lucky to get the link. The more appropriate reply is “grow a fucking brain nIl and stop lying”

    Ricky was just being polite 😉

    That’s my opinion, not sure if its’ you’rse 🙂

  407. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:47 pm

    The more I read Glen Stevens comments

    If you are referring to those above about the debt per day, you have to remember, those are Glen Stevens comments, after being filtered through the coalitions “spokesperson’, which was then filtered through the terra’s monocular vocabulary

    Simply put. it isn’t exactly what Glenn Stevens said, I am fairly certain.

  408. February 5, 2015 7:47 pm

    Capitalism is as big a con job as socialism … it just takes people a long time to figure it out …

  409. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 7:49 pm

    He spent , borrowed and doubled our debt

    And nIl still tries to lay that at Swans feet, even after the mountains of links (some with ‘summations’) that show this is not reality.

    And wonders why he is ridiculed.

  410. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2015 8:02 pm

    Did anybody read what TB of Queensland posted?

    Just as well that the Reserve Bank has been, in effect, recapitalised to the tune of $8 billion because that enables the Reserve Bank to intervene prudently and appropriately in the market to try to ensure that the Australian dollar is at the best possible level.”

    TB says the RBA did not want the money.

    Glen Stevens said they did.

    Is TB telling lies????

  411. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 8:05 pm

    I think the term that should have been used is “request”. I’m sure they want money, everyone does

    Thought that should be cleared up since your all apparently pedants today 🙂

  412. February 5, 2015 8:32 pm

    Short: Why write 300 words to say what can be said in three?

    Shorter: Why use 300 words when three will do?

    Shortest: Why 300 words, not three?

  413. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2015 8:34 pm

    This one has Pictures…

    Yes, but summations were specifically requested Ricky, not piccies.

    Guess we fail at the internets 😦

  414. February 5, 2015 8:44 pm

    This was the article I was looking for…Tom R don’t bother with Nils he’s a fiscal fucktard.. He premises every post with Hawke Keating, Labor.. then some disgraceful comment about the morality of anyone that confirms his stupidity….

    Go on Nil..repeat some more shit, you’re compelling 🙄

    This is a great article… Nils should stop dreaming of his secret fantasy three way with Costello and Howard for a microsecond and read it.. but it does include facts and big words..so I wouldn’t expect too much…

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-and-hockeys-debt-and-deficit-disaster,6943

  415. February 5, 2015 8:54 pm

    Shorter: Why 300?
    Shorten: Why?
    In Short : Word

  416. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:00 pm

    …It, too, drives me mad.”..

    Hah! I’ll be sure to continue then… … … … … … … .. … …

    You lot might feel more comfortable taking some evening classes in english, I know, what about a bookclub?

  417. February 5, 2015 9:05 pm

    “You lot.”

    Inverted commas have significance, for the unpunctuated.

  418. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:10 pm

  419. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2015 9:20 pm

    “………………..Inverted commas have significance, for the unpunctuated………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..”

    😆

  420. February 5, 2015 10:18 pm

    Listening to Malcolm Turd Bull on APAC tonight turning on the charm on the central cast at politics in the pub…. He was bullshitting his ass off and I didn’t believe a word of it (the tech stuff is just codswallop) , but he charmed the pants off em…

    Dull Short mans nemesis 4 sure… he can sell.

    I know, what about a bookclub?

    is kind of book clubbing for the terminally stupid 🙂

  421. February 6, 2015 1:32 am

    Don`t worry .. TB .. l enjoy .. ya`dots .. .. and it seems .. to me anyway .. .. that those hoo arr .. `incapable` of .. adding anythink .. worthy to .. teh disk cushion! .. .. retreat to .. pointing owt .. speliing mustakez .. punkchewayshun .. and granmar .. so `they` can .. still feel .. relevant to the .. disk cushion .. .. which seems .. to be .. common among #teabags?

  422. February 6, 2015 2:49 am

    From TB`s Link”””””””’According to Tony Abbott,(#teabags and #teabag-media) these were the ”Howard golden years”. Mr Abbott recently said ”prudent fiscal management is in the Coalition’s DNA”. The facts suggest otherwise.”””””””’

    #Nice find TB. The `financial-responsibility` theme is, and always has been total horse-shit which mainly boils down to (in-scale) `selling `our` house to pay of a small credit-card debt`. This is the continual flogging-off of `our` federal/state/s owned assets to pay-off relatively small debts, and is basically `looting`. Both `teams` have been doing this.

    +

    ””””””””’Costello will be remembered for selling two-thirds of Australia’s gold reserves for the rock-bottom price of $US306 per ounce (Today, gold is about $US1590 per ounce).”””””””””

    #l would really like to know `who` ended-up benefiting from this, the `citizens`/`nation` obviously didn`t benefit at selling at the bottom of the market at $306/ounce. Just who were these buyers.

    +

    ””””””””Howard Government sold almost $72billion of Government assets (Telstra, DASFLEET, etc)””””””””’

    #At the dawn of the computer-internet-age, `how vision-LESS` to sell-off the backbone infrastructure and leaving nation/govts of future having to `start-from-zero` on any future required program, (ie-nbn) technology, and financial. #teabags

  423. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 7:25 am

    That article that TB posted at 7.41PM is wrong from beginning to end. It seems to be a cut and paste from the rubbish that Stephen Koukoulas posts.

    For a start not all asset sales were used to pay off debt. Money from the Telstra sale was used as seed money to start the Future Fund which now contains $80B.

    But if you want your AAA credit rating back which we lost under Hawke, asset sales to get debt down quickly is the way to do it.

  424. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 8:57 am

    For a start not all asset sales were used to pay off debt.

    It doesn’t say that all asset sales were used to pay off debt.

    Asset sales loom large in analysing government debt …. meaning that the move to negative net debt was not really due to any miraculous and bold fiscal settings, but owed everything to a series of asset sales.

    I don’t agree with “owing everything”, but it does owe much/most.

    A good article on just who is helping to cut “intergenerational theft”, and who is actually bolstering it.

    Glenn Stevens V hockeynomics

    New Treasury estimates released last week suggest that the impact of tax breaks on superannuation is set to blow out by more than $30 billion in the next three years.

    Today, young people on low and average incomes are subsidising the retirements of multi-millionaires through the lucrative tax concessions.

    Leading economist Dr Richard Denniss of The Australia Institute says there is no other policy area where the problem of “intergenerational theft” is so pronounced.

    And even though the super tax concessions are set to bleed the budget dry, the government is doing nothing about it.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/02/05/joe-hockey-vs-glenn-stevens/

  425. February 6, 2015 9:07 am

  426. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 9:11 am

    lol, I was just aboutto post that one reb, too slow 😦

    The Walking Dead
    Dead Man Walking

    I’ll do this one instead then.

  427. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 9:16 am

    “It doesn’t say that all asset sales were used to pay off debt.”

    Yes it does. Koukoulas says the same thing.

    Fact is some asset sales were used as seed money to start the Future Fund not to pay off debt

    Costello asset sales plus surplus budgets got our debt down quickly so we got our AAA credit rating back quicker.

    I notice for some strange reason Labor supporters claim credit for our current and soon to be lost AAA credit rating. It is totally shameless for Labor to claim credit for our AAA which we got back in 2003

  428. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 9:26 am

    Yes it does.

    If that’s you interpretation, then there isn’t really much I can do about that, is there, except to highlight it again.

    but owed everything to a series of asset sales.

    As I said, I disagree that the return to surplus owed “everything” to a series of asset sales. But I disagree that it said that ALL asset sales were used to return to surplus.

    There’s a difference there, I’ll see if you can pick it 😉

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 10:13 am

    New Treasury estimates released last week suggest that the impact of tax breaks on superannuation is set to blow out by more than $30 billion in the next three years.

    Today, young people on low and average incomes are subsidising the retirements of multi-millionaires through the lucrative tax concessions.

    I agree … but I too pay taxes for the multi-millionaires, so does everyone here … the real problem is the gap between the rich and the poor … no matter what age …

    The argument I keep trying to make is that the “intergeneration” cry is a smokescreen for the rich ripping us all off … blame the baby boomers – blame the baby boomers …

    … I put a link up the other day that shows that most baby-boomers aren’t as well off as some would have you believe … especially if you factor in the multi-millionaire tax breaks mentioned above …

    It aims (just like the class divide) to create chaos between the three generations – where there really is none …

    Rich grandparents usually look after their rich kids and g/kids …

    The whole welfare cart is lopsided (and does need fixing at the top end) … the intergeneration furphy is to hide that …

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 10:16 am

    Fact is some asset sales were used as seed money to start the Future Fund not to pay off debt

    Benefitting who? Exactly?

  431. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 10:18 am

    TomR

    i can see the difference but you are wrong.

    There were $72B of asset sales and $96B of Hawke/Keating debt. It is pretty clear what the author is trying to say. You picked up something that we could argue about for 10years and not come to a conclusion.

    But Koukoulas certainly does say ALL asset sales were used to pay off debt which is where the author that TB linked to gets his figures. Koukoulas is wrong. Telstra sale money was used to start the FF. I actually told Koukoulas this in comments but he still keeps telling lies. The man is the biggest fraud ever.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/how-peter-costello-got-rid-of-government-debt.html#.VNP5GYUgvel

  432. February 6, 2015 10:34 am

    Bill Shorten: “The Liberal Government wants a medal for getting out of bed these days, it seems” #Zinger

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2015 10:39 am

    Paying off unfunded liability is arguably debt reduction.

  434. February 6, 2015 10:41 am

    Tom don’t bother Nils is a Lying brain dead fuckwit… He thinks writing lies as a troll in a blog makes him smart…

    He’s nothing more than a base l eval bore…
    His repetitive mindless lies have him booted from most blogs…

    Reb obviously keeps him in here as the bunt of a joke…

    Maybe if we ignore him he will fuck off…

    http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/media/Trolls/Sqweal3_zps52187216.jpg.html

  435. February 6, 2015 10:54 am

  436. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:12 am

    Get your teeth into the things that bug you like this man tony, think of the fun you can have!

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/why-wikipedias-grammar-vigilante-is-wrong

    …If super-pedants were to admit to themselves that it’s just a question of individual taste, they’d probably leave the rest of us alone…

    The govt keeps screaming ‘debt and deficit’ like a mantra, it only impresses the rusted ons though. When they stop ‘talking’ about tax avoidance and actually legislate against it and then turn their magnifying glass to corporate welfare, I might start thinking they are serious.

    Inquiry’s roll call of tax avoiders:
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/inquirys-roll-call-of-tax-avoiders-20150205-136m5x.html

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:18 am

    Did Christopher Pyne just call Albanese a c**t?

    Is next Tuesday special in anyway?

    Wouldn’t put it past Pyne … but I live a closeted existence, as you know, and have never heard the “phrase” until now.

  438. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:27 am

    Very good article from our past host, telling it as it is.

    Tim Dunlop: OUR POLITICS ARE LIKE ‘HOUSE OF CARDS’
    http://www.spookmagazine.com/politics-like-house-cards/

    …In a recent and slightly crazed article for The Australian, Maurice Newman, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Business Advisory Council, said what almost no-one else associated with the Abbott Government has been willing to say out loud…

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:28 am

    G’day KL … just read your pedant link … six reasons? You only need one …

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:29 am

    “When they stop ‘talking’ about tax avoidance and actually legislate against it and then turn their magnifying glass to corporate welfare”

    See it is comments like this i do not understand.

    What did the ALP/Greens do about this from 2007-2013?

    They had the numbers to pass whatever legislation they wanted.

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:32 am

    Kneel, “they” means all pollies … some of us aren’t completely stuck on with rust …

    we don’t care who changes it – just change it … we stick it up both major parties but generally favour one … KL, actually favours the Greens …

    Speaking of pedants …

  442. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:42 am

    Sorry TB you do care.

    All this tax avoidance stuff only came out when the Coalition got into power.

    Lots of stuff only comes out when Labor lost the election.

    Kids in detention? ALP/Greens locked up more children than any govt in Australian history.

    An enquiry is initiated only when the Coalition is in power.

  443. February 6, 2015 11:50 am

    “Multimillionaire tax breaks on super”.

    This is a bullshit argument. Concessional contributions are capped, depending on age, at the same figure for all levels of wealth/income.

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/In-detail/Contributions/Super-contributions—too-much-super-can-mean-extra-tax/

    https://www.ato.gov.au/uploadedFiles/Content/SPR/downloads/SPRQC38466%20Super%20contribution%20limits.pdf

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 11:57 am

    All this tax avoidance stuff only came out when the Coalition got into power.

    No, Kneel, you only see it when the LNP is criticised … the regulars here get stuck in to all parties if they stuff up …

    Personally I’m more concerned for the people who need help that politics …

    … just because The Minister and I can manage our lives pretty well (friends laugh cause we still manage our household like our business) doesn’t mean I don’t care about those less fortunate than me …

    We all need a hand at some time in life … but those people who accumulate $$$ at the expense of others – The Robber Barons … are destroying the society I love …

    I have never seen so many people nervous about their future and stressed in the present … and we shouldn’t be … we truly are a rich nation but we are being bled dry … by the rich and powerful with lies and deceit …

    You may not like Tim Dunlop … but the article in KL’s link is dynamite … you should read …

    ++++++++++++++

    Nice to know that the Blogocrats here still run along the same path as Tim D … !

    Thanks for the find KL …

  445. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2015 12:03 pm

    “This is a bullshit argument”

    Tony

    Give it up mate.

    ALP/Greens people only say things for political purposes. There is no point in arguing with these people.

    The goal posts change depending on who is in power for ALP/Greens people.

    Why was this argument not mentioned from 2007-2013? Same goes for kids in detention.

    ALP/Greens locked up more men/women/kids than any govt in Australian history.

    They only complained when the Coalition got into power

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2015 12:10 pm

    I see The Mad Abbott still has his head up his arse …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/leadership-spill-not-on-my-agenda-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1227210174395

  447. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2015 12:16 pm

    they’d probably leave the rest of us alone…

    Shouldn’t that be “they’d probably leave the rest of us alone.” 🙂

  448. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2015 1:00 pm

    I see Bolt is hopping into Turnbull. That’s a badge of honour, for a political commentator, Bolt rarely shows any rational political judgement

  449. February 6, 2015 1:32 pm

    IT’S ON!!!!!!!!

    BREAKING: West Australian Liberal MPs Luke Simkins has emailed partyroom colleagues, announcing he will move a spill motion against the PM

  450. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 1:43 pm

    Coalition’s crony capitalism makes communication harder: [no paywall]
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/01/19/coalitions-crony-capitalism-makes-communication-harder/

    …The Coalition’s economic agenda is straightforward crony capitalism. No wonder they can’t explain it to voters…

    …There’s a name for this approach to public policy: it’s crony capitalism, pure and simple. Industries and business leaders with close connections to the Coalition, including extensive financial support for the Liberal and National parties, benefit from public policy through tax cuts, direct assistance, “deregulation” and government campaigns against their competitors. Those on the government’s hit-list find that there’s no “deregulation” or tax cuts awaiting them, but reviews and, in some cases, punitively higher levels of regulation. It’s more sophisticated than the naked crony capitalism that is on display in some developing countries, but all the more effective for that…

  451. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 1:47 pm

  452. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 1:52 pm

  453. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2015 1:57 pm

    *sigh*
    I’d better go and turn the telly on 😉
    I was being so productive at home here on my day off too, I’ll just have to work around #libspill

    there’s barry on the abc24, saying how it’s different to the ruddspill and going through a whole history of political spills.

  454. February 8, 2015 10:31 am

    ls dunlop trolling here armchair.? his `house-of-cards` post looks like an amalgamation of your and mine comments.

    +

    dunlop”””””””””the Budget itself, which independent assessors have shown targets Australia’s poorest.

    ”when they say they want to ”unwind the welfare state”, what they

    actually mean is cutting, undermining or otherwise damaging programs like the dole, Medicare or pensions”

    But to have this open secret stated so, well, openly, is rare.”””””””””””’

    +

    #dunlop should have included that teabags encouraging the `trashing` of full-time/living-wage employment only adds `more` to the need for these services. Some recent `fun-facts` wouldn`t have hurt either, like, 20,000 `new-jobs` was reported some time back, and not one of them full-time. Or, how nearly 65,000 jobs-lost since mr-rabbit has been in charge.

  455. February 8, 2015 10:36 am

    could have also added dodgey ABS number reporting, where the Aust Burro of Surveys, who now`a`days often don`t believe their own dodgey un/employment numbers either, so how-can/why-should anybody else #dunlop

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