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February 17, 2015
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Why are people so unkind…?
Because they`re basically monkeys, that accidently tumbled out of the tree-tops centuries ago, and weren`t bright enough to climb back up. (thanks-kamahl)
Thanks kamahl, you are very kind!
I did light a soy, scented candle for reza tonight, the room is very fragrant. Reza barati’s murder while in detention angered me. Nobody has faced a trial yet.
Did anybody watch qandaland last night.? Mr-Talkbull was on the panel and his appearance at times seemed to be a leadership sales pitch to back-bench/teabags at times. Blib may be in trouble yet.
I saw qanda bagz. Once again, malcolm showed his oratory skills and reminded us that he is the statesman that tony abbott is not.
I liked lisa wilkinson, she asked questions that we wanted answered [malcolm waffled in a very congenial manner!] She didn’t get much air time though, nor did the human rights guy, I liked him too. ABC trying hard to avoid any accusation of bias. Aunty is nobbled!
Qanda gave the show over to Malcolm. He’s their candidate for PM. If there must be a Liberal government, at least let their leader be Labor lite.
#anyonebutabbott
Fuck you Kamahl.
That graph is funny armchair, its possibly a prank, tho l wouldn`t be surprised if it isn`t either.
Teabags-80%, TJ-10%, 3-others,sharing-10%, as you can see, my abc hasn`t quite their `balance` issue solved.
Baby identity cards in immigration detention are a thing now. Well done Australia
Tattooed numbers are much cheaper …
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Fuck you Kamahl.
You wish, ToSY … you arty, farty types are all the same …
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I see it was Lesley Gore’s time to leave … thank goodness none of it makes any sense at all to me yet … 🙂
Yeah armchair, l quite like wilkinson too, she seems to be both sharp and ethical, unfortunately the morning platform the network has stuck her on is reasonably crap and wastes her talent (mostly), unfortunately the networks are doing less and less of the quality, investigative, hard-interview stuff which l think she would do/did/does pretty well.
While throwing mud at the likes of Triggs, it is clear the real political interference comes from the libs themselves.
Pink Batts Royal Commission, Union Royal Commission, and now
And just a reminder of hockeys belligerence in the light of our skyrocketing unemployment figures (whatever they may be these days)
ABC trying hard to avoid any accusation of bias
So, just how many NoBN questions DID malc get asked?
at least let their leader be Labor lite.
Labor might be many things, but they aint that form of ‘lite’
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
I support… no, let’s go through it. I support the re-prioritised funding of official development assistance. I support introducing co-payments for general practitioner pathology and diagnostic imaging services in the Medicare Benefits Schedule. I support the reforms to higher education. I support the changes to family payment reform. Do you want me to read through the whole Budget?
Any fucken “liter” and he’d sink into the pavement.
I’ve said previously that I like Chris Bowen, but politicians have to be across the detail in their portfolio. Alan Jones is always posing random questions about detail, it’s hardly unexpected.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chris-bowen-struggles-to-name-taxfree-threshold-during-alan-jones-interview-20150217-13hngs.html
Chris Bowen doesn’t even know the tax Free Threshold that his party raised. 😯
Wow, that’s making hockey look competent
Repeatedly pressed by talkback host Alan Jones to outline Australia’s tax levels, Mr Bowen was unable to identify the $18,200 figure as Australia’s tax-free threshold.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chris-bowen-struggles-to-name-taxfree-threshold-during-alan-jones-interview-20150217-13hngs.html
Doh, beat me to it yomm 😉
it’s hardly unexpected.
But the fact that it was a big Labor initiative that (from memory) the libs tried to wind back in the last budget………
Maybe more coffee before interviews?
One would expect Bowen to at least say “around the 18K area”” that would be somewhat excusable.
But to have no idea AND be unable to nominate the first tax rate is inexcusable.
This is priceless. theirabc won’t do it (too busy spruiking malcontent) so the internets did
“I just don’t understand what I have done to deserve all this”…………….
“The National Climate Change,” says the first daughter.
“Marriage equality,” quips the second daughter.
“Medicare,” chimes in another.
“Freya Newman,” says the first daughter again.
“Probably the Canadia thing,” adds the last daughter.
But to have no idea AND be unable to nominate the first tax rate is inexcusable.
Sadly true 😦
I mean, it’s fine for hockey to be a bumbling idiot, but Bowen too 😯
You know, we keep getting told that it’s cheaper to import shit because UNIONS. Well, thank fuck for them I say. And, stop pandering to dangerous countries
I’m pretty sure Bowen would at least know the rate of the GST.
This article is a good attempt at understanding Islamic State. It is quality journalism – seeking out experts and listening carefully to supporters. It has something for everyone and it will cause people from all points of view think about their assumptions.
I recall a post up about Sarah Feguson on the other thread that linked to a fairfax article that claimed
One of the ABC’s most acclaimed journalists, Sarah Ferguson, was so hostile towards Treasurer Joe Hockey in an interview last year that she breached the broadcaster’s bias guidelines, an ABC-commissioned editorial review has found.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sarah-ferguson-interview-with-joe-hockey-breached-abc-bias-guidelines-review-20150217-13gbmj.html
Except, it appears that the fairfax article was indulging in “bias” of it own.
… a review it commissioned found she might have broken guidelines on bias during a heated interview with the treasurer Joe Hockey.
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But Ryan said the “tone” used by Ferguson towards a “rattled” Hockey “could have been interpreted by some viewers to be a potential breach of the ABC’s impartiality guidelines”.
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The broadcaster has stressed that Ferguson was not found to have breached any ABC editorial policy.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/17/abc-defends-sarah-fergusons-interview-with-joe-hockey-against-bias-accusation
So, she didn’t breach anything, but some precious pets might think she did (I’m pretty sure that could be said of any interview, think back to ulman and Gillard)
Fairfax have been shit for a long time. This is just another example of why.
That’s a good article (so far) sb. I don’t agree entirely with this though.
Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it
I’m not sure that people don’t believe it is religious nutters, but it is not “Muslim” in the generic sense. Or, no more than David Koresh or Jim Jones are “Christian”
They are extremists, and should be treated as such.
Chris Bowens ignorance of the tax free threshold shows a difference between lefties and Conservatives.
If Hockey made that mistake there would be lots of photos with smart arse captions under them.
Personally i do not have a problem with people not up on facts. Politicians need to know where to go to find out answers but mostly need wisdom to solve problems.
Barrie Jones had a photographic memory but i think he was useless at solving problems.
It is the job of journalists to go after poliies in interviews. The interviewer’s job is not to provide a platform for them to spout their nonsense. If the pollies aren’t up to it then they should quit the game.
Problems of bias may arise with softball interviews, partisan editorialising, selection of commenters on a panel or selective outrage. But precious pollies not up to the task of a good cross-examination deserve the humiliation they get.
And, stop pandering to dangerous countries
The new terrorism, TR, so who’s watching the borders?
And an FTA coming to a country near you … jesus fkn wept …
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… it will cause people from all points of view think about their assumptions.
I’ll read it next, sb … wonder if it mentions uncontrolled, psychopathic, murderous thugs?
“……….., stop pandering to dangerous countries””
I have never ben able to fathom why Australian producers have never bandied together with an “Australian Quality “” campaign revolving around safer food growing standards like the non use of certain pesticides, steroids, and fertilisers.
If you have ever been near the Mekong River you would never ever purchase vannamei prawns or bassa fish from a local retailer here. Nor would you purchase ham off the bone unless it was labelled as from Oz.
Personally I don’t even like purchasing loca grown grain fed meats preferring instead purely grass fed.
Even a lot of garlic we have in our supermarkets is from Asia. And there you have a bulb plant grown fully immersed in “night soil””………………………..Mmmmmmm Yum.
Hep A is a hazard of purchasing foodstuff from overseas that does not need further cooking before consumption……….i.e. berries
We cant test everything that comes in and most of it comes from non FTA countries anyway
so who’s watching the borders?
No-one’s watching the real threat (cheap and dangerous goods coming in), to busy victimising victims.
I recall reading that these products come in without any checks (or next to none), yet ours have such stringent regulations to pass (in China at least) and, they are forced to enter through the north of China because of these regulations, that it makes many of them prohibitively expensive. I’ll see if I can track it down later)
Free Trade My Arse (that’s NOT an offer 😉 )
We cant test everything that comes in and most of it comes from non FTA countries anyway
Yep! Agree with all that Wally …
I understand that there is a loophole anyway from China via NZ … ? Strange when the all standards are Australian/NZ … hey?
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sb, I’m about 1/4 of the way through and I have changed my opinion already … uncontrolled, psychopathic, murderous, intellectually limited, religious extremist, thugs?
Off out so I’ll get back to The Atlantic later (a good read so far BTW) … and I do know why you put it up … hope some others here read it too …
I understand that there is a loophole anyway from China via NZ …
Yes. We have taken to only buying BirdsEye frozen veges, as they are about the only ones that don’t go through NZ or direct from China.
Well, they claimed they didn’t last time we checked.
Looks like this is about to get interesting…
http://www.news.com.au/national/philip-ruddock-told-tony-abbott-about-backbench-disquiet/story-fncynjr2-1227221344505
PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/16/pms-strategy-hold-onto-power-matter-damage/
…The dog whistle is extremely useful for a political leader who fears his support base is leaching away.
That can be the only explanation for this call to arms from Prime Minister Tony Abbott…
hold onto power, no matter the cost:
That feeds back into your “wag the dog” link yesterday. Any cost, which is quite disturbing.
Mind you, it has looked as if he has been looking for a war ever since he was handed the throne. But that could just be my “bias” speaking 😉
“it is not “Muslim” in the generic sense.”
Not even sure what that means, Tom R. I guess you are saying that most Muslims would find it repulsive and that certainly appears to be the case. But IS is Islamic in the sense that it is clearly based on the teachings and life of Muhammad. There is good Islamic precedent for most of the grotesque stuff it does.
One problem is that they appear to be extreme literalists. This sort of thinking, when combined with religious zeal, can have barbaric results. Fortunately there are not too many Christians and Jews still thinking that way:
Religion, hate, bigotry and prejudice go hand in hand, as soon as we can wipe all religion off the face of the earth the better. Then we only have ourselves to blame for a lack of humanity. That is just too confronting for some people, no godspeak to hide behind.
Some religions do hate, bigotry and prejudice more than others. And some secular ideologies are worse than any religion. The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century.
“PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:”
So says leftist Paul Bongiorno. As far as i am concerned Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon and any other leftist journalist are all liars.
Just like the people who quote them.
“”As far as i am concerned Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon and any other leftist journalist are all liars.””
“”Just like the people who quote them.””
But if the person doing the quoting is also a liar, then doesn’t that mean the original statement must therefore be truthful?
“PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:”
Even if true, so what??
How is this different to hawke/keating/Howard/Rudd/Gillard or any other PM?
Bongiorno is an idiot.
All those religious rules seem a little restricting. Still, if it’s the will of God, I can’t argue.
Apparently Everyone is an idiot but Nils…
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/rickypann/Trolls/repmono_zpsqg4xia44.jp
The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century
So the Emir = Stalin? (The Emir has a way to go … Stalin was estimated to be responsible for between 20 and 40,000,000 deaths …)
And Hitler is OK ’cause he believed in god, I suppose?
Arseholes are arseholes … but add up the numbers since 1 AD and (if we’re counting) religious responsibility for “early” deaths come down hard on the religious side of the debt.
Only a denialist would ignore the misery brought to ordinary folks courtesy of religion … or try to count the bodies
In my world you’re either a good guy or your not (religious or not) … thoroughly dislike hypocrites and controllers … or foolers …
And killing someone for religious non-belief or religious belief is wrong … at least if you don’t believe in a god … 👼
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Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon … that list is destined to get longer as the days go by … and will include such stalwarts as Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt (Piers isn’t so switched on – he could even be Kneel)
“and will include such stalwarts as Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt”
I find myself in agreement with a lot of what Bolt and Jones say.
I cannot say that for Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon. Those guys make my skin crawl.
Not even sure what that means, Tom R. I guess you are saying that most Muslims would find it repulsive and that certainly appears to be the case
That would be why I mentioned the “Or, no more than David Koresh or Jim Jones are “Christian””
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
I was listening to a recent Sunday Safran when they had an Indian comedian talking about the Muslim faith, and how, in his opinion, Islam has yet to become “metro” (his term he had heard someone use to describe a very moderate muslim, and how he sees Christianity), as in, abandon all/most of the nasties like most modern Christians have with the bible. But it also seems that many of the nasties are not even in the religion itself but (a bit like catholics etc) has been introduced over the years by people with their own agendas.
It certainly is something Islam as a religion must face, but something that Muslims as followers should be labelled with.
A tricky line to walk.
then doesn’t that mean the original statement must therefore be truthful?
This has just so much going on in it
TomR
Why don’t you do a funny caption with Bowens lack of knowledge of the tax free threshold.
nIls
Well lefties seem to specialise in funny/stupid captions.
But only for Conservative politicians. You generally leave alone ALP/Greens politicians.
“Only a denialist would ignore the misery brought to ordinary folks courtesy of religion “
And only a denialist would try to pin all the bad stuff on religion, which was my point!
I didn’t deny that people do bad stuff in the name of religion. I was trying to add a touch of balance to proceedings.
What ISIS Really Wants … is the end of the world … long winded article but had some interesting information (tho’ on some occasions contradictory opinions) …
… bunch of Dickwits® … another lot who believe in religious fairy-tales and the End of Days … although ISIS think they can bring End of Days on … and it explains the taunting of the West …
Continue bombing them and keep Western soldiers’ boots off the desert sand …
A conclusion would be to draw ISIS – ISIL – IS whatever … to Dabiq … and then nuke the lot of them …
This article is way ahead of its time tho’ … headed – March 2015???????
I didn’t deny that people do bad stuff in the name of religion. I was trying to add a touch of balance to proceedings.
Me too … but I’m not a religionist, a communist, a socialist, a capitalist or any “ist” … I have personal beliefs based upon my life/work experiences, observations, discussions (including here) and reading …
“I have personal beliefs based upon my life/work experiences, observations, discussions (including here) and reading …”
But you voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.
FMD, Neil. Who cares? The only purpose your comment serves is to diminish you.
Who cares?
I do.
TB voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.
If the Coalition was in power with unemployment at 11% TB would have said how could anybody vote for a party with unemployment at 11%.
It shows that TB votes for a party not principle.
Day Nine of Good Government …
INDONESIA’S Foreign Ministry has reportedly rebuffed Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s statement that the nation should remember Australia’s Boxing Day tsunami aid in its deliberations over the fate of Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.
http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-to-indonesia-lets-not-forget-about-the-1b-tsunami-aid/story-fncynjr2-1227223657782
200,000,000 Muslims in Indonesia as I recall … clever lad The Mad Abbott … 🙄
Would Rudd/Gillard said anything different?
Day Nine of Good Government and the gobbledygook, hypocrisy and contradictions escalate …
Oh, and the persecution of children …
“If we don’t keep this data, our crime fighting agencies and the police are flying blind,” Mr Abbott said.
The $400 million cost represented one per cent of the $40 billion telecommunications sector.
“It seems like a small price to pay to give ourselves safety and freedom,” Mr Abbott said.
Asked if industry would have to pay for the measure, Mr Abbott said: “It is very important that if you do business in this country, you adhere to the rules.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/data-retention-to-cost-estimated-400m/story-e6frfku9-1227223966500
Wow the person who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11% makes a comment.
Hey TB do you care about people?
Unemployment is now at 6.4%. A good result if we were living in the Hawke/keating reign.
“Hey TB do you care about people?”
Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?
Abbott’s statement that the nation should remember Australia’s Boxing Day tsunami aid in its deliberations over the fate of Bali Nine duo
Can this fuckwit demean us any further. ffs, now he’s threatening them with foreign aid in a time of emergency 😯
Considering the way morriscum threatened the release of kiddies from JAIL (and then reneged) so he could get his laws through, it seems to be more of a pattern of behaviour than a brain fart.
This is how they operate, threats and intimidation.
And they wonder why they can’t get their miserly budget through. Fucken bullying idiots
(yes, I saw your link on the other thread too reb, but didn’t get around to posting there)
Surely it`s `reasonable` in the name of corporate `deep-throating` that the public accept completely the `risk` of, being randomly contaminated (or school children in bulk) with hepatitis berries. Surely it`s `reasonable` to continue to allow `poor` corporations to circumvent food-safety laws along with work-place laws in the pursuit of profit. #Tinfoil.Cubicle.Wisdom #bleat.bleat.bleat
“Considering the way morriscum threatened the release of kiddies from JAIL”
Put there by the ALP/Greens.
You know the ALP/Greens locked up more men women and children than any govt in Australian history
Here is a picture of ALP policy in action
Poor hockey just carnt work out where all that money went. It must’ve been the Worlds Greatest Treasurers fault, really.
Among the political donations, a $250,000 gift to the Liberal Party from the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association stood out.
While there were bigger donations from individual entities, nothing from any other industry group came near it. And the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association is hardly one of the heavyweight industry bodies.
Moving right along, there is item D20 of the tax expenditures statement: $750 million this financial year for “application of statutory formula to value car benefits”.
And $760 million next financial year.
And $830 million the following year.
And $940 million the year after.
It adds up to a rather large amount of money.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/car-leasing-tax-break-a-yardstick-for-governments-fiscal-integrity-20150217-13hccz.html#ixzz3S5CVgA4N
Here ya go nIls
http://www.howtotalktoyourliberalmate.com.au/
Something to remember when ASC doesn’t get the gig
Japan was initially deeply reluctant to work with Australian shipbuilder ASC or share technology, but Sky news reporter David Speers, who is on a Japanese-government funded trip to Japan, reported on Tuesday that Japan was now “willing to partner with the ASC even though this would require sharing sensitive military technology in an unprecedented manner”.
But according to Speers Japan does not want “a tender or a competitive evaluation process in which it would compete against European companies” but rather prefers “a decision in favour of Japan before the Abe government decides how much of the build and the technology it is willing to share.”
The government promised before the election that the submarines would be built in Adelaide.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/17/staged-tender-will-take-place-for-20bn-collins-class-submarine-replacement
But really, just why is unemployment getting so high? It’s truly bewildering. Aren’t we “Open 4 Business”?
“It is very important that if you do business in this country, you adhere to the rules.”
And additional costs the Waste and Red Tape create 😯
“But really, just why is unemployment getting so high? “
Because people voted for Rudd in 2007. it was at 4.3% when Howard lost office.
Unemployment now is low if we were living in the hawke/Keating era. 6.4% is a great result for Hawke/Keating
I’ll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing:
Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?
” Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?”
Most probably not.
I care more about the people in UNHCR camps we would have taken if these country shoppers did not come here.
But it is a difficult topic. Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees we have to have a quota system.
How many refugees do you have in your spare bedroom?
“”How many refugees do you have in your spare bedroom?””
Not as many as I’d like, however I have met a number of asylum seekers and have donated food, furniture and financial assistance after hearing first hand their personal stories.
How have you helped them Neil?
l notice the teabags are still drinking deeply from the `tewwa-fearist` toilet-bowl, while ignoring all the blood-baths thru history created by other dog-club members. #pantywetters
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#kneel.is.still.a.fcuking.yawn
My next door neighbour came here on a boat. with nothing from Vietnam. Highly paid and educated taxpayer who is highly regarded in the community now. My dentist and his wife cane mer as children on a boat, does free work and donates time to give back…
Both of these people as have many refugees, contributed way more than Nils to Australia, that’s why he’s so vindictive… jealousy.
Fuck Nils , he;s just a intellectually challenged gutless fuckwit, Fucking spineless fudge plumber wouldn’t say half the stuff he says in here in real life… Just a gutless troll Reb
while ignoring all the blood-baths thru history created by other dog-club members.
Even though sb clearly acknowledged them back up thread?
It’s no wonder we call her libtika
Dear Dr. Laura Thank you for doing so much to educate people
I forgot to thank, sb, for the Leviticus (primarily) quotes … very apt, clever and the sarc is exactly right for TGT!
Very time consuming here at the mo … daughter in hospital, son and wife away … so we have three g/kids staying (11/13/16 yo) … love ’em to bits but they do shatter the routine … 🙂
Yeah!
That’s right!!! Why should we be concerned or interested in 21 people being beheaded in Libya when their religious forebears were probably doing that kind of thing 200 or 300 or 500 years ago.
I blame Murdoch
I blame Murdoch … About bloody time, ToM!
I take it that you’ve just
wadedread through,sb’s, The Atlantic link?Just like not sending foot soldiers is the best of poor military decisions but we shouldn’t send any anyway?
Lots of hindsight too …
After all that tho’, the “history” and “religious interpretation” make bombing the best option so that the non-real-Muslims – will have to fight the real Muslims (IS) so that they don’t build hills of heads …
Geez, shadow Bowen is making eleventy look fcuking brilliant. #18k #what.a.chump #team.blib
l was including that atlantic link tomr, article ignores, 1.teh-usa `cleared` about half the landmass that`s claimed as islamic-state, and 2.`booker` gulag, kidnapped and tortured victims of teh-usa, when released when teh-usa pulled out, are one of the groups that united/joined the syrian/others (pronounced `booker`, unsure of spelling, buqka??)
Geez, shadow Bowen is making eleventy look fcuking brilliant
Frightening stuff … Dumb and Dumber …
Alan Austin continues his examinations of hockeys budget, and the massive, glaring fails within.
The Abbott Government’s first budget has failed on several levels. The Top 40 chart of wasteful spending decisions was shown in part one. Equally disastrously, multiple billions have been lost in revenue not collected.
Treasurer Joe Hockey has no coherent long term tax program. And he has failed to implement any short term strategy to protect the economy while trying to traverse his preferred propositions through a wary new Senate.
The Coalition’s tax white paper due last December has still not appeared. This is causing considerable anxiety in the business community.
The fact that a sound revenue policy was not completed before the last election is clear evidence that Tony Abbott was not the “brilliant opposition leader” the Murdoch media lauds relentlessly. He was arguably the worst in living memory.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/joe-hockeys-budget-megafail-part-2,7384
Of course, genius’ like nIl will blame Labor, and ask what they would do in their place. The question should be, of course, what wouldn’t they have done that hockey has that has so severely trashed our budget.
And, IA stays on the “birther” bandwagon
Tony Abbott’s dual citizenship: Stop asking questions — he’s the PM!
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-dual-citizenship-stop-asking-questions–hes-the-pm,7382
Many other MP’s have had to reveal their Form RN (?), and a few have been caught out. Why the absolute refusal? Especially for an “open” grubmint?
So, “skeptics” can call it “birther”, but those interested in a truly open and honest grubmint simply call it, well, honesty.
I mean, with yabots record, his word just isn’t enough anymore.
And the libs continue their bullying ways. I don’t know why Dreyfus didn’t just physically kick the individual out, or call security to have them forcibly removed. Don’t let them bully you, it just enables them.
The shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, told Guardian Australia he had complained to Brandis after the attorney general instructed his staff member be present when Dreyfus met Triggs late last year, not long after the commission delivered to government its final report on children in detention. The meeting was not about the report.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/18/labor-objects-to-george-brandiss-staffer-overseeing-meeting-with-gillian-triggs
And speaking of bullies
And hypocrites (and baseless political footballs
The tally of workers killed last year in industries the Abbott government is deregulating raises ominous questions. Not just about workplace safety, but also about hypocrisy in politics. The figures are grim.
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It ought be noted that the figure of 17 construction deaths in 2013 was abnormally low. The average for the last five Labor years was 33. The average for the last five years of the Howard government was 39. But, it also needs to be noted that the rise in workers killed in mining and construction in 2014 was despite significant contraction in workforce and activity.
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Why this is a raw area for many practitioners in workplace safety and observers of government hypocrisy is that the Abbott team, when in opposition, gained great political advantage from the shameless exploitation of the deaths of four young workers on the home insulation program (HIP), part of the Rudd government’s 2009-10 stimulus spending. The names of those men and the circumstances of their deaths were well publicised by the mainstream media and an opposition out for blood. Government ministers were directly blamed.
Less well publicised were the facts that the HIP insulated more than a million homes, that overall construction fatalities decreased in 2009 and, arguably, that the stimulus saved Australia from a devastating recession. So what will be the reaction of the media, the opposition and indeed the government to the additional 17 mine and construction workers killed in 2014 while those industries contracted markedly?
Royal Commission, anybody?
http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/01/13/workplace-deaths-abbott-punts-a-macabre-political-football/
Innocent my arse … unless he can prove he thought he was at an exclusive adventure camp …
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/hicks-lawyer-says-his-client-now-innocent/story-e6frfku9-1227224888442
But Hicks’ story began about 15 years ago
ltdnews limiting the news again TB?
Hick’s story “began” back when he ventured into the Kosovo War, which could go a long way to explaining his feelings for Muslims and their “enemies”
But, too much detail for a ltdnews article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks#Religious_and_militant_activities
Depending on your “side”, Hicks was either a rancid terrorist sympathiser, or a wayward son who, once finding out that al-Qaeda were not like the KLA, attempted to extricate himself from the situation, whereupon he was captured.
I’m sure the truth is somewhere between 😉
So what will be the reaction of the media, the opposition and indeed the government to the additional 17 mine and construction workers killed in 2014 while those industries contracted markedly?
Your politicising the issue, TR …
The insulation scheme was a great concept poorly managed by an incompetent minister (Garrett should have stuck to wailing on stages) and an overconfident PM. Both admitted culpability.
But the states had greater responsibility being responsible for training – even tho’ we have a national training system it is administered via each states’ Act and Regs … WH&S is also each individual state’s responsibility … registration of contractors is also a state responsibility … the contractors themselves were not charged as I understand it … the RC was indeed a travesty for all concerned and I bet the families are feeling no better because of it …
However … blaming the Abbott government for deaths in the construction industry (obviously taking notice of the CFMEU campaign) … is no better than the LNP political snottery of a RC…
WH&S is still a passion of mine … and I’ve been involved in many campaigns to raise awareness of deaths and serious injury* and as you may recall the better part of my career was in training the workforce from the then Qld President of BHP Coal to high school kids about to go to work experience …
But making safety a political football only makes it worse … more needs to be done in learning and assessment …
*(safety officer, safety manager, NSCA training consultant, line manager/service/production/light engineering, RTO training consultant)
But making safety a political football only makes it worse
A little late for that TB. The footy was kicked years ago. Are we supposed to ignore that? This goes back to the enabling bullies I mentioned. Being too polite to sink to their level will not make them stop, shoving their hypocrisy back in their faces is the best way to start the fight back imo.
And, saying that the ministers admitted culpability is stretching it, isn’t it? Do you have a comment from them about that?
Are you comparing accidental deaths to state sanctioned execution (as a result of the actions of an Australian government agency)?
Are you comparing accidental deaths to state sanctioned execution
Are you posting before your meds kick in this morning yomm?
Can you highlight whom the courts in Australia found culpability for those deaths attributed to?
I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t anybody political.
Apparently, there are questions over if the census will be abolished, or cut back. After spending millions to bring it online ..
The tassie member for bullying and intimidation who has recently been upgraded to executive after much toadying to abbott.
Dr Powell, The Examiner letter and Mr Nikolic MP:
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/dr-powell-the-examiner-letter-and-mr-nikolic-mp/
More tassie MP romps.
Abetz and Channel Highway Land Deals
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/abetz-and-channel-highway-land-deals
Erich abetz been a senator since 1994
More bullying I see AO
The consumer has no idea that the berries they eat have come from a high contamination area because they don’t have to stick that info on a label. Nothing will change though, it’s all self [no] regulation, can’t ask too much of profit chasing business. Consumers don’t get a look in.
Abbott rejects calls for better food labelling as it’s too much trouble for businesses
Too much trouble to safeguard Australians
“It seems like a small price to pay to give ourselves safety and freedom,” Mr Abbott said.
But no price too high to spy on Australians
No need to overdo it
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/strewth/do-it-by-halves/story-e6frgdk6-1227224566624
…AT the National Press Club, Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson waxed lyrical about the free market. A splendid ideal, though not one Wilson’s $325,000 job was ever exposed to. Unlike the experience of his fellow commissioners, whose jobs were advertised, Wilson simply received a phone call from George Brandis, who asked if he was interested. Of course, the Attorney-General was exercising his liberty in making that call. As they say, let freedom ring…
Of course, the Attorney-General was exercising his liberty in making that call.
Vice Captain’s call, KL?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And, saying that the ministers admitted culpability is stretching it, isn’t it?
No … you may be confusing liability with responsibility and culpability …
https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=culpability+definition&oq=culpability&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l10.1387.4434.0.6164.11.11.0.0.0.0.224.629.7j0j2.9.0.msedr…0…1c.1.61.hp..2.9.623.QXEKq1ZiX-U
Hence my … the contractors themselves were not charged as I understand it … in other words no-one was found liable for the deaths …
I and many other WH&S professionals in Qld argued long and hard for corporate manslaughter to be included in the Qld Act …
I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.
Where did it come from?
What’s wrong with the good old “that’s just the way it is”? too negative or something?
Hick’s story “began” back when he ventured into the Kosovo War, which could go a long way to explaining his feelings for Muslims and their “enemies”
Yep, I know … but 15 years is long enough to be opposed to CoW troops including Diggers!
And he just told reporters that he was “on holiday” in Afghanistan … lies upon lies … innocent my arse!
…I and many other WH&S professionals in Qld argued long and hard for corporate manslaughter to be included in the Qld Act …
Goodness, can’t make the management responsible for the outcomes of their own profit driven demands!
Best to dream up lots of WH & S policiies and place the responsibility on the employees to follow them although never aknowledging that it is it impossible to complete the work given in the time demanded if they follow the policies to the letter.
Yeah, I remember and see it now, KL …
Nothing much has changed in a decade 😯 ! (I retired in 2005!!)
but 15 years is long enough to be opposed to CoW troops including Diggers!
Did he ever fight against COW? It was 15 years ago, not 15 years of fighting. For most of those 15 years, he was locked up in a gulag being tortured.
innocent my arse!
of what though?
I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.
I AGREE!
But, it is what it is 😉
Went to BWS to buy some Bowlers Run.
Apparently it does not exist anymore. It is now called Riverside Landing. But the price is the same.
I think this …
http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/03/remember-labors-skyrocketing-debt-the-coalitions-is-much-worse/
Is far more enlightening than Bowlers Run now being called Riverside Landing – a bit of trivia that some of us knew a couple of weeks ago but thought there were more pressing issues … like the awful mess this Federal LNP government is causing …
“I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.”
Yes! It’s totally meaningless, as is “what you see is what you get”.
Yes! It’s totally meaningless, as is “what you see is what you get”.
That’s not meaningless … it means, “no more, no less” …
It is what it is … means … it is what it is …
“like the awful mess this Federal LNP government is causing …”
The awful mess was created by Rudd/Gillard and the people like TB who voted for them.
Hockey is having trouble cleaning up the ALP mess.
Guess what? It is most probably not capable of being cleaned up. I think we are in trouble.
“It is what it is … means … it is what it is …”
And what information is that meant to convey to the listener/reader?
(Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room. 🙄 )
Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room.
No they can’t! 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTML_editors#WYSIWYG_editors
Ha ha, yes armchair, l noticed bananabys bleating too last night. The #hep-berries will be one of those topics that show how adamantly looney the teabags are, and show, yet again, how the teabumpkins will be trodden on, as they `inadvertently` side with `consumer-rights` advocates and insist on some for of clear product labeling. #much.fun
“…And what information is that meant to convey to the listener/reader?…”
I have no idea tony
I just think – huh???
I just think – huh???
(Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room. 🙄 )
But I agree … It is what it is … means … it is what it is … is stupid …
I doubt the fuckers that use tha expression even know “what is”
Danial (the most talented musician on the planet) tellin you what is…
Easily pleased…His taste in grog matches his political taste.. Simple, sour, down market and cheap… 🙄
Your mad and were not?
i hate when they cant hold their piss and start slurring…. keep drinkin that cheap plonk till ya pass out Nil…
It probably isnt what it is…
Yep look at the government genius…
Easily pleased…His taste in grog matches his political taste.. Simple, sour, down market and cheap… 🙄
Chuckle … guilty … 😆
I think the lolstarlian have a typo
Low-paid win from childcare overhaul
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/low-paid-win-from-childcare-overhaul/story-e6frg6nf-1227226304781
Didn’t they mean to right/write
CLASS WARFARE!
I think I’ll wait on reading the fine print before making a judgement on the actual proposal 😉
And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row
Some of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s senior colleagues are concerned that his tough talk with Indonesia may have undermined a carefully crafted strategy to save the lives of two Australians on death row.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fears-tony-abbott-has-damaged-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150219-13j3tn.html
And grog tears apart the libs mantra of “intergenerational theft”.
O’Dwyer’s whole thesis is contained in her assertion that “at the family level, most parents look to build some wealth to leave to their children and grandchildren so that they have an easier start in life. At the government level, Labor took the opposite approach.”
Except a government surplus is not national wealth.
Australia’s economy – and its wealth – grew substantially though the Labor government period. Indeed, when you compare our performance against other major economies, we did very well:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/feb/19/intergenerational-theft-a-coalition-favourite-that-ignores-the-long-term-benefits-of-spending
His comments on a future Carbon Price, and the time bomb yabot has left, are interesting too.
Tom R… that’s it mate.. Nils cries bowlers green tears
“And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row”
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
Usual Fairfax rubbish. Clearly no one is getting anywhere much with the Indos on a political level. The Bali 2 only hope is by putting a stopper on it via the legal system or pressure from other governments like the UK and Brazil who also have people to be executed. The UN has even weighed in on it.
Abbott was simply telling it like it is. It will be much easier for us to cut aid to the Indos or redirect it somewhere else.
Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide.
But when a cunt like Hicks says he was in Afghanistan just for a holiday then you gotta hope Bill Shorten keeps on talking.
Bill is just not upto being PM.
And in NSW an LNP victory is basically now assure with the ALP releasing a shambles of an infrastructure policy where they have allocated monies twice by mistake. Plus Electricity workers are going on strike next week over a paltry 5% payrise.
Keep it up boys the LNP thanks you in its hour of need
Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL
Not to mention Martin Parkinson and Glenn Stevens.
…Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL…
Ask the greeks about austerity and how well it works for ordinary workers [hint: you might need protective head gear]
…Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide…
It was definitely an injustice and he should be allowed to sue. There was no australian law that he broke and there’s no law against being a dickhead [abbott would be in jail if there was]. Howard begged the US to keep hicks in the worst of gitmo, he was thrown to the wolves [just as the bali 9 were]. As hicks old lawyer ?dan mori said, the US and the UK did not allow their citizens to undergo the same justice that hicks copped, they got their pople out real quick.
Howard and his ministers, abbott included, should have been answering charges themselves for AWB and an illegal war against a sovereign country. Hicks torture and incarceration should be another charge against them, playing war games with the lives of australians. Howard is dead set against an apology because he is as guilty as hell and he knows there should be compensation paid.
Our government has shown that if you are not a good little sheeple allowing them to control and dictate every aspect of your life, if you step out of line or dissent from the way they operate, you are treated as the enemy.
“Ask the greeks about austerity and how well it works for ordinary workers …………””
Compared to what is around the corner unless they negotiate in good faith the Germans are going to slam shut the piggy bank and so no more pensions and no more public service salaries.
They run out of money in March and have already been bailed out and are now abrogating their promises to reform their economy from previous bailouts.
If you don’t keep your side of the bargain your bankers will walk away as they should.
Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending
Greece’s problems went far deeper than their borrowing. Theirs stems from years of providing tax exemptions that they could not afford.
I won’t draw any comparisons to the exemptions hockeys currently handing out to his mates 😉
Not to mention Martin Parkinson and Glenn Stevens.
I’m assuming that you are referring to the ltdnews misrepresentations of their comments. Be careful listening to snake oil salesmen wally 😉
Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks.
So, you think it is OK to lock up and a torture a citizen for years and then discover that he has ” no case to answer”?
The libs hypocrisy continues to shine
Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg shifts his work super into union-backed industry fund
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/assistant-treasurer-josh-frydenberg-shifts-his-work-super-into-unionbacked-industry-fund-20150219-13j49f.html
The very funds they want to curtail. fucken hypocrits.
there’s no law against being a dickhead
🙂
Thank Fuck!
“”…he was thrown to the wolves [just as the bali 9 were]. ….””
And how conveniently you all forget that Chan and Sukarmaran refused to co-operate in naming their higher contacts within their crime ring.
That did not help their cause sentence wise.
That did not help their cause sentence wise.
Does that excuse yabot from jeopardising their lives now?
“Does that excuse yabot from jeopardising their lives now?”
Bishop already said there would be consequences. And she’s really doing the behind the scenes stuff.
The Indos will shoot them anyway.
The uneducated masses of Indonesia fucking hate us. And they vote
Frankly I hope we pull a lot of Aid from them and give it to Cambodia instead. Far more deserving than those cnuts.
“…the US and the UK did not allow their citizens to undergo the same justice that hicks copped””
Oh cry me a river.
I’m sure Hicks would have been dealing out Taliban justice if he hadn’t been caught.
Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird
“Howard and his ministers, abbott included, should have been answering charges themselves for AWB”
Why?? So some Australian company used bribes to obtain business. I would think that is normal for that part of the world.
But i have never seen any evidence of a money trail from an AWB official to somebody in the Iraqi govt. It does look like money was siphoned off somehow but i doubt anybody knew what was going on. Apparently it was siphoned off as trucking fees or something like that.
Beats me why the Howard govt has anything to answer.
The Indos will shoot them anyway.
And just in case there was any sor of light at the end of that long miserable tunnel, yabots there to snuff it out for them.
[abbott would be in jail if there was]
“”The Indos will shoot them anyway.””
And you wonder why some people mistake you for being an optimist.
And you wonder why some people mistake you for being a
n optimist.humanLooks like there could be movement at the station
EXCLUSIVE: AFP refer James Ashby to CDPP over perjury allegation
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/exclusive-afp-refer-ashby-to-cdpp-over-perjury-allegation,7390
“”And you wonder why some people mistake you for being an optimist.””
Not where the Indos are concerned. Even Singapore ignored us back in 2005 was it not.
If you read some of the stuff on the Jakarta Post blogs the stupid fucking ignorant cnuts kep referring to the Australians as White.
They cant even make the connection between Chan and Sukamaran being different to Smith or Jones. Stupid dumb fuckers they are.
You cannot deal with collective idiocy like that. The vast majority of Indo pigs have already passed judgement.
“”Indo pigs””
You’ve never really struggled with political correctness have you Walrus.
#NTTAWWT
“”You’ve never really struggled with political correctness have you Walrus””
LOL
I don’t list it as a “strength” on my old CV
Its a bit strange when you go to Vietnam and Cambodi and they trow out the welcome mat to Australians and Yanks who blew the joint to bits in the 1960s.(They still despise the French)
Yet Australia was critical in getting Indonesia independence from the Dutch yet now they hate our guts.
They can go fuck ”emselves.
They are just further proof of the usual corruption of mind that springs from Islam
“And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row”
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
Obviously some folk don’t have much idea about the passive approach favoured in diplomatic circles … aggressiveness will usually get a result too … y’know, for every action there is an opposite and equal action …
Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide.
But when a cunt like Hicks says he was in Afghanistan just for a holiday then you gotta hope Bill Shorten keeps on talking.
Bill is just not upto being PM.
Yep, agree stupid, stupid man our Bill … that’s two major gaffes this week by the ALP …
Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL
Having been to Greece a couple of times, I can assure you that we are no where near the
lazylaid-back Greek model of society!Lets not cry #bowlersgreentears over those indo recalcitrant killas… its reality TV!!!!
#soyouthinkyoucansmuggle
“”I can assure you that we are no where near the……””
Yeah…………….that’s because the hard working ones emigrated to Oz, the USA , Canada and the UK years ago.
They left the dregs behind
#soyouthinkyoucansmuggle
LOL…
Any nation that kills smugglers yet allows the participants in the Bali bombing to now walk fre is seriously fucked up
“Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird”
You are describing the majority of ALP/Greens supporters.
Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg shifts his work super into union-backed industry fund
That is so contrafkndictory hilarious … these pricks just blow around in the breeze!
Imagine this dick as a salesman … “… these Sony TV’s are the best in the world, sir, you’ll love it!” … “… what brand do you own?” … ” … Samsung of course, but I do have an old Sony in the kid’s bedroom …”
I would think that is normal for that part of the world.
The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws (of which Australia is a signatory) against bribery and corruption in any business … FFS go back to school!
If you read some of the stuff on the Jakarta Post blogs the stupid fucking ignorant cnuts kep referring to the Australians as White.
Ignorant doesn’t really convey it, does it. Don’t they realise we aren’t white, we are BlueTied! (which does have it’s roots in White, I’ll agree)
“Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird”
True enough. But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.
“I don’t list it as a “strength” on my old CV”
The fact that it is not on your CV is a strength.
If I saw any hint of political correctness on a CV I would immediately bin it. And if it was apparent from the CV that I was dealing with a full-blown progressive I would invite them in for an interview just to waste their time and have something to laugh about at Friday drinks, having expressed interest in their PC concerns just to watch them go full progressive poseur on me.
that’s two major gaffes this week by the ALP …
Wow, declaring that a citizen (albeit perhaps a dickhead citizen) is locked up and tortured for years (while citizens from other countries on similar “holidays” are sent home free), only to find that he was doing nothing illegal (as opposed to immoral, or just stupid).
Yea, what a gaffe. Who wants a Government to defend it’s citizens that way? 😯
STOP THE DICKHEADS!
Speaking of which, do we know if yabot has renounced his dickhead citizenship yet?
“But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.”
But that is not why ALP/Greens support this guy. He is a hero to them for some reason.
Ricky there is something terribly wrong with that picture of Bob Hawke. His beer glass is full!!! The camera must have a ridiculously fast shutter.
But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.
It’s a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it.
I wonder why this was not mentioned before the spill?
But don’t worry we get to do the “land-based testing” on the subs. Not sure how that works, but it probably isn’t the biggest part of the project.
Well this is sad. I’ve read a few of his books, and always found them fascinating:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/20/oliver-sacks-reveals-terminal-cancer
“The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws”
TB of Queensland you are insane.
Trading with the enemy was a legally sanctioned UN program. Just look up UN Oil for Food program. Hundreds if not thousands of companies were ” trading with the enemy”
The Americans/Canadians were annoyed because we got the business selling wheat to Iraq rather than them.
Please don’t make any more comments until you know what you are talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme
“The Oil-for-Food Programme (OIP), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities.“
“”Please don’t make any more comments until you know what you are talking about.””
Hear Hear!!
REb
Did you read TB’s comment?
“you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens …”
TB is trying to make out something was happening that wasn’t.
Selling food, medicine and other humanitarian stuff to Iraq was a legally sanctioned UN program. Just look up UN OIl for Food program
Hundreds of companies from all around the world were selling food to Iraq. We were selling wheat. Other Australian companies were selling stuff as well.
TB of Queensland is telling lies and he does not care.
“”TB of Queensland is telling lies and he does not care.””
He does not care that he is “”telling lies,”” or he does not care about the “humanitarian stuff”..?
TB of Queensland does not care he is telling lies.
After the first Gulf Wat Iraq was under sanctions. Th UN introduced a program where Iraq could purchase food, medicine and other needed stuff in exchange for oil (UN OIl for Food program)
It was a legal program run by the UN.
TB is trying to make out something like we were trading with the Germans or Japanese while the while WW2 was going on.
TB is a total deceiver. It makes sense. He votes LABOR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme#Financial_statistics
“Over US$53 billion worth of Iraqi oil was sold on the world market. About US$46 billion of these funds were intended to provide for the humanitarian needs of Iraqi people such as food and medicine in the context of international economic sanctions.
“land-based testing” on the subs
ROFL
Perhaps they will be installing the fly screens on the portholes?
FUCKERS!
Didn’t even allow the ASC to tender. mirabella working her magic. Japan has it, always has. Labor, should they get in, should abandon it and just give it to ASC. The millions wasted will dwarf compared to the billions of waste this decision is creating. Thousands of workers, who we have spent untold dollars on training and gaining experienced, thrown onto the scrap heap, and more technology lost to this country.
This fucken election better move on fast, if not just to limit the damage these fucken hypocrites reap.
“…………..should they get in, should abandon it and just give it to ASC”
Yeah…………lets just tear up another contract…………………..way to go…………………………..to sovereign bankruptcy
lets just tear up another contract
One that was written in such a unethical manner deserves no less
to sovereign bankruptcy
ROFL. sovereign risk. sovereign risk. That’s been worn out wally, try a new tune.
The biggest risk we have is a pm who cannot even prove if he is there legitimately.
“”………..a pm who cannot even prove if he is there legitimately.”
I believe its upto you of the Lunatic Left to prove otherwise.
Or just shut the fuck up..
Get some tips from Donald Trump why dont ya LOL
“ROFL. sovereign risk. sovereign risk.”
We will soon see a demonstration of it with any Grexit
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/police-insider-slams-proposed-metadata-laws/story-fn5j66db-1227231212046
”Greece’s problems went far deeper than their borrowing. Theirs stems from years of providing tax exemptions that they could not afford.
I’m not of Greek origin, but I do have an affinity with the country for a couple of reasons, I even went to a university in Athens for a short while (English language) and celebrated with the progressive crowd when Andreas Papandreou and PASOK defeated New Democracy in the early 80s.
Papandreou was probably the Greek version of Gough Whitlam, fresh – progressive and reformist after the staid conservative rule (though in Greece this included plenty of military government)
In hindsight, it was again too much too soon, and Greek debt mounted. New Democracy also couldn’t get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.
• Public servant jobs were a sinecure – just additional income, not earned, no attendance requirement, just income that supplemented your other job
• Taxes – optional
• Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)
This Modern Greek tragedy is a lesson in the importance of government restraint and a reasonable and effective tax system. They should never have talked their way into the Eurozone.
Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.
Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)
How much do they actually cost, ToM? BTW, do you have a compressor or blow them up personally?
They should never have talked their way into the Eurozone.
The EU’s prime purpose was preventing wars … the economic issues are related only … and the USA is shit scared that the EU will actually get that right one day …
” … the economic issues are related only … ”
But in a major way – economic strife in Europe has caused more than one nation to go to war …
Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.
Well?
Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.
Yes, don’t have a portion of the population who could/should be paying taxes get away with dodging them.
Oh …. wait.
or lazy public servants or expenditure that isn’t closely related to revenue
hmmm, people not paying taxes, or blame “lazy” public servants.
Always go with the lazy option 😉
I identified 3 main causes.
If you think the problems of the Greek economy relate only to its (traditional & optional) tax system, you’re not familiar with the other problems outlined –
• public servants just using the job to supplement their income from their other job
• expenditure being unrelated to revenue
Or don’t you think those other factors are important?
“expenditure being unrelated to revenue”
What is wrong with that? Don’t you understand leftist economics?
“Don’t you understand leftist economics?”
Yeah……………….Like “Short Skirt” Shorten and his recent comment about making Revenue adjust to their Expenditure Agenda
i.e. Much higher taxes
Though I do hope Bill keeps talking. He’s been saying plenty of stupid things lately.
I have to comment on this again. Leftists are so deceitful
“The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws”
Feed Iraqi soldiers?
It was legal to feed Iragi soldiers. After the first Gulf War in exchange for Irag oil money this money was used to buy food and medical supplies. Lots of countries did this. WE sold wheat.
you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator
No sanctions were broken. It was legal to sell wheat to Iraq. What was illegal was for money to be given to the Iraqi govt. Money from oil sales was put into a pot and this money was used to buy food and medicine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme
“The Oil-for-Food Programme (OIP), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities
Or don’t you think those other factors are important?
Yes they are important. I just don’t see them as being a problem facing Australia right now.
As the libs found out when they got in, public services are already being run on a shoestring. Our spending is of an easily financed level. It is the tax side we need to look at.
“Our spending is of an easily financed level. It is the tax side we need to look at.”
You just dont get it do you. Our demographics are changing so rapidly raising taxes wont cut the deficit by that much anyway.
You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole
Fairfax Media are proud to announce a new climate scare campaign.
Run for your lives
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cyclone-marcia-climate-change-is-expanding-the-tropics-20150220-13kdfi.html
To anyone who thinks the Greek experience isn’t relevant to Australia’s –
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp
A generation ago, the Greek debt was at the level that Australia’s is now and back then they considered that their debt was “manageable”. They didn’t have a policy of – expenditure is a function of revenue.
There’s a lesson in that.
(select year commencing 1981)
Over the last 20 years the number of people reaching >65 years old is 1,100 per week. Many of those are destined for the pension as many dont have sufficient super benefits. Yet TomR and his ignorant cohorts think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives. We can be sure they mean all that’s why they keep promoting the $40B of saving.
They can only count 1 way. They never think through the wider ramifications of a policy like that which is more people not less on the pension. Everything is just the Revenue side to them.
So TomR why was Wayne Swan so gleefully announcing Projected Budget Surplus after Surplus when you reckon it matters fuck all but he seemed to think it did matter?????????????????????
Only one of you could have been right !
I think I’d bet on the bloke who is still in Parliament even if he never delivered one.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-18/fastest-growing-age-group-is-65-and-over-abs-says/5164202
“Our government has shown that if you are not a good little sheeple allowing them to control and dictate every aspect of your life, if you step out of line or dissent from the way they operate, you are treated as the enemy.”
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………………I think that sounds like Al Qaeda and the Taliban as well
Which makes it hillarious coming from you KL in your defence of David Hicks
Hicks was a member of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Not exactly female friendly or female liberationists……………………….like I said absolutely fucking hillarious defence
Like I have said before………………………
“Behold I give you Leftist Values in all their Hypocrisy”
If you don’t keep your side of the bargain your bankers will walk away as they should.
yes, I agree walrus
Also no bailouts from governments to banks, no guarantees, no more “too big to fail” protections, let them all go belly up and teach them about logical consequences of their own actions. Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.
…And how conveniently you all forget that Chan and Sukarmaran refused to co-operate in naming their higher contacts within their crime ring.
That did not help their cause sentence wise….
It was due to fear wasn’t it, the big dealers had threatened the lives of their family members if they dobbed them in.
…“But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.”..
Yes, even dickheads have a right to justice, due process and the protection of the law [he did not break any australian laws] and he did not get that protection from the howard & co]
But that is not why ALP/Greens support this guy. He is a hero to them for some reason.
Yes, it is why neil, stop putting your words in other people’s mouths [yet again]
…You just dont get it do you. Our demographics are changing so rapidly raising taxes wont cut the deficit by that much anyway.
You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole…
You don’t get a surplus by cutting taxes, you can’t get more money by taking less revenue.
“Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.”
Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.
“…you can’t get more money by taking less revenue.”
Superannuation can be “tweaked” away from those with funds of over say $2 to $2.5M. But the vast mass of money lost via super incentives are not those people. So whenever you see figures of $30B pa thats just BS
You must address expenditure too.
Cutting the $27 billion going to superannuation welfare-for-the-wealthy is a pretty good start for a surplus.
We want the whole budget story, not just half:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-11/jericho-we-want-the-whole-budget-story-not-just-half/6084600
…Except all his rhetoric is about cutting Government spending rather than noting the revenue side. Indeed he only mentioned the falling revenue in a response to questions on tax cuts. He argued that “we are still absolutely committed to doing that (cutting taxes) but, obviously, we face challenges with the budget, because we’ve had falling revenue ourselves.”
But instead of pointing out that aspect of the problem, he again straight away turned to expenditure saying, “I ask the Labor Party and the Opposition in the Senate to help us deal with the massive growth in expenditure that was a legacy of Labor”.
Not surprisingly with this attitude the talk about Government expenditure is the only one being heard by the party faithful…
“…….the big dealers had threatened the lives of their family members if they dobbed them in.”
So they said………………………………but considering their cocky attitude to their predicament at the time I’m not so sure if it was true or not.
Who knows perhaps they were hoping a big wad of money would land on their Judges doorsteps to ensure a lighter sentence but it never came.
I doubt we will ever know the real truth even as to why did the AFP give them up ?
I get the feeling their might have been a lot more going on at the time. Those were the early years of Terrorism post 9/11 as we know it today. Everyone was trying to cooperate as best they could and not withold stuff.
“Cutting the $27 billion going to superannuation welfare-for-the-wealthy is a pretty good start for a surplus.”
Its $27B if you count people on $80K plus as wealthy.
You must address expenditure too.
yes, but the burden should not fall unfairly on the young, the low paid workers and the welfare recipients.
The wealthy have got where they are by plenty of government assistance.
They should not feel that paying tax here is only optional as well, we should get more off the tax evaders and stop giving them all those rebates and incentives.
“A generation ago, the Greek debt was at the level that Australia’s is now “
And Greece is not a Federation like we are as far as i know.
Lefties like to quote our low Federal govt debt thanks to Costello. But what about State and local govt debt?
Federations like Australia have Federal/State/Local govt debt. It is not fair to compare our Federal govt debt with France or Britain who are not Federations.
hmmm, people not paying taxes, or blame “lazy” public servants.
I think that’s a subliminal (or maybe not) hatred of a public servant who runs another blog … (childish I know … but he does play with blow up dolls)
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“expenditure being unrelated to revenue”
What is wrong with that? Don’t you understand leftist economics?
Leftist? Why just Leftist? Noddy Newman only got into politics to feed the developers … like his hero JBP …
Robber Barons live on the right and left side of the river … most of us float down the middle!
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Shorten and his recent comment about making Revenue adjust to their Expenditure Agenda
i.e. Much higher taxes
And what’s wrong with the Robber Barons and “certain” WCP Wannabes actually helping Australians that haven’t been the born with intelligence, born into money, born with special ability, born into family contacts … helping those Australians born into poverty, with intellectual disabilities, those who are sick and disabled, aged and weak, who’ve paid taxes to develop the country, and need encouragement to help develop Australia as a leader in the world …
Charity has always begun at home …
“”I think that’s a subliminal (or maybe not) hatred of a public servant who runs another blog””
I think you mean “former” public servant.
You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole
Do that AND reinstate the income tax levels before the Howard Era!
A $40 billion hole created in two years by The Mad Abbott’s Monastery!
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expenditure is a function of revenue
And INCOME is a function of REVENUE!
What do you do for a living?
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Yet TomR and his ignorant cohorts think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives.
Not ALL – incentives for FUCKING (multi) MILLIONAIRES! If you are so fkn rich and powerful why would you be arguing so strongly!
Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.
Not if the banks have to provide their own $9 billion + support fund via the RBA … with regular top ups! Just look at the banks profits …sucking the country dry!
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Its $27B if you count people on $80K plus as wealthy.
Most of us do … fuck me, what a moronic self centred statement that is! Destroys any argument you thought you had! Amazing!
…Lefties like to quote our low Federal govt debt thanks to Costello. But what about State and local govt debt?…
Righties like to quote public debt and repeat their debt and deficit mantra, but…
What about private debt?
Australia’s addiction to private debt:
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/10/australias-addiction-to-private-debt/
…A centrepiece of the Abbott government’s economic policy platform is its strident warnings about growing public debt: Australia’s ‘budget emergency’.
This specious claim remains unchallenged…
…History indicates there are two major causes for increases in public debt: World Wars (1914-1918 and 1939-1945) and responses to economic recessions and depressions caused by private debt-financed speculation: the 1890s, 1930s, mid-1970s, early 1980s, early 1990s and the GFC in 2008. Therefore, the key to preventing onerous levels of public debt is to thwart the state from committing to wars, and to eliminate parasitic rentier capitalists from the private sector.
Unsurprisingly, such advice is conspicuously absent from mainstream political and economic commentary, whom ironically advocate increased expenditures for state aggression and rentier capitalism, but simultaneously maintain steadfast in explicitly opposing increasing public debt. Consequently, cuts to social welfare are advanced to further an agenda to enlarge the military and intelligence industrial complex and further subsidise the FIRE sector.
The Heterodox Perspective
There is a reason why mainstream economists ignore private debt while focusing intently upon public debt. Neoclassical economic models assume markets operate in a static state of equilibrium, but these models are based on a slew of preposterous assumptions which are never met in the real world. The banking and financial system is modelled by assuming that money, debt and banks do not exist! The element of time is also removed, making it difficult for economists to understand the inter-temporal allocations of debt.
This is like an astronomer or astrophysicist building a model of our solar system absent the sun, moon and gravity – an inadequate framework that will inevitably produce glaring mistakes…
I think people on $80k would find life a bit of struggle.
“What about private debt?
Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt?
“I think you mean “former” public servant.”
Oh, yeah! 😉 Dobbed in or somefink?
Clink! BTW … about to pour WT II … the way the wever is here, I may not get another chance … listening to the news …
… its steadily raining outside – fairly calm … but by 10 pm all hell (rain?) is about to break loose -apparently …
… only ever seen one cyclone get this close to Brissy and that weren’t pleasant …
… at least we have the benefit of experience … I’ve learnt when to be shit scared over the years … and also – what will be, will be … that Nature is a canny bitch … cheers …
I think people on $80k would find life a bit of struggle.
Chuckle …
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KL, Australia’s addiction to private debt: … LNP’s obsession with shifting national debt to private debt …
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Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt
Have a good look at the USA! Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!
“Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!”
You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.
If I saw any hint of political correctness on a CV I would immediately bin it.
Does this guy would suit the criteria?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/commuter-swears-at-passengers-on-london-underground-to-discover-man-is-interviewing-him-for-a-job-10057639.html
think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives.
I haven’t actually said that though, have I.
So TomR why was Wayne Swan so gleefully announcing Projected Budget Surplus after Surplus when you reckon it matters fuck all but he seemed to think it did matter?
Probably because I haven’t said “it matters fuck all ” and probably because I am not Wayne Swan.
You must address expenditure too.
And history has shown that is just what Labor were doing. Government spending was less under Labor than both it’s predecessor and successor.
You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.
1 – Switzerland
2- Finland
3 – Germany
4- Sweden
5 – Netherlands
A retired couple on say an $80,000 p.a. superannuation annuity would probably consider themselves ‘comfortable’, if not ‘wealthy’. A ‘working family’ on $80,000 income, and paying off a mortgage, while feeding, clothng, and putting through school one or several children, would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.
If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread it’s that you can’t consider revenue without putting it in the context of expenditure.
“1 – Switzerland”
Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.
“Switzerland thus has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Army-issued_arms_and_ammunition_collection_success
I like the idea. Thanks.
would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.
No wonder I feel like I’m pushing shit uphill 😦
If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread
What! Theirs 🙂 learnin’ to be had at this site? I feel a little cheated 😉
“If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread”
What I really meant was, “if there’s one thing you economic ignoramuses should learn from this thread etc”. (You know who you are.)
“A $40 billion hole created in two years by The Mad Abbott’s Monastery!”
More lies by the deceitful TB. The hole was created by Rudd/Swan.
By the way it was absolutely legal to sell wheat to Iraq. Hundreds of companies around the world were selling food and medicine between the first Gulf WAr and the second Gulf War.
What was illegal was giving money to the Iraqi govt.
You know who you are.
You can just say nIl and wally if you want tosy
“You can just say nIl and wally if you want tosy”
Hmm. That’s not who I had in mind, Tom R.
“…Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt…”
“…Have a good look at the USA! Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!..”
“…Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.
“Switzerland thus has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.”…”
Bait and switch!
We were talking specifically about economic system. Now you’re raving about guns and national service. 🙄
You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.
Just how old/well travelled are you?
A ‘working family’ on $80,000 income, and paying off a mortgage, while feeding, clothng, and putting through school one or several children, would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.
Is that you? Why should they be wealthy? Only the Robber Barons (or Wally) are …
Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.
And Switzerland has never been invaded … (200,000,000 on our doorstep and we can’t own automatic rifles — they can?)
If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread it’s that you can’t consider revenue without putting it in the context of expenditure.
Whose revenue and whose expenditure … you don’t like NS and rifles but the government you obviously support enjoys fighting in other countries (I can provide proof) national service (I can provide proof) and spending HEAPS on weaponry (I can provide proof) …
I think your priorities or understanding are questionable … is their an art thread available?
“I think”
That’s nice. 🙄
Hmm. That’s not who I had in mind, Tom R
I don’t think yomm gets involved in these sort of discussions, unless he can Unions = BAD at some stage.
Maybe you could provide an example of this persons lack of “knowledge”?
“We were talking specifically about economic system.”
Were you? How fascinating.
“Maybe you could provide an example of this persons lack of “knowledge”?”
This person linked approvingly to some “finance writer/economics expert” who declared that the government should be borrowing as much money as possible because money will never be cheaper. Abbott is an idiot for not following this path to prosperity, apparently.
“but the government you obviously support enjoys fighting in other countries “
It was Bob Hawke who took us to the Middle East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_contribution_to_the_1991_Gulf_War
“Australia was a member of the international coalition which contributed military forces to the 1991 Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm“
So the USA Is struggling more than Greece?
The USA is getting 30,000 illegal immigrants every month from Central and South America. Actions speak louder than words.
Were you? How fascinating.
https://fdnfrank.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mooning.gif?w=497 https://fdnfrank.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/finger.gif?w=497
Does anyone think maybe there’s a connection between high public debt and poor economic performance?
Cyclones aren’t all bad
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960932/A-surfer-hit-beach-house-Great-Keppel-collapsing-ocean-crazy-drivers-ignoring-police-cross-town-Inside-eye-Cyclone-Marcia-batters-coast.html
declared that the government should be borrowing as much money as possible because money will never be cheaper.
Well, for one, I’m pretty sure “as much money as possible” wasn’t a phrase used but, there are a few of these “idiots” about, some with some very sound cases
And there is also the opportunity cost of going into debt now.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/feb/19/intergenerational-theft-a-coalition-favourite-that-ignores-the-long-term-benefits-of-spending
Abbott wanted Australia to “go it alone” and invade Iraq with 3500 troops..
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/02/21/05/54/tony-abbott-suggested-sending-australian-troops-into-iraq
Just read the same story,sreb!
I am convinced that this man is an incompetent buffoon … and he MUST go … he will get someone killed … for no other reason than his massive ego …
Just checked this too …
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2014/09/13/ISIS-has-grown-larger-than-Kuwait-s-army-.html
Even if you halved that … 15,000 (due to lack of training? etc – plenty of “leadership”!) … that’s just over 4:1 odds … and an extremely long supply line back to Oz! Add the local “supporters” and the ADF members would have been decimated!
This is primarily a Sunni – Shi’a civil war! We should let the Muslim nations take care of their own shit.
Wonder if The Mad Abbott has ever heard of Sun Tzu?
More Mad Abbott buffoonery …
http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-offends-own-cabinet-members-over-comments-to-indonesia/story-fncynjr2-1227231060581
😆
Here’s the rest of the article above … very tongue in cheek for news.com.au
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/cyclone-reporter-not-convinced-outside-cross-completely-necessary/story-fnki1jcy-1227232591603
That story about Abbott wishing to send 3500 troops to Iraq is the main story in The Australian!
All Murdoch ever does is report stories with a positive spin to give Abbott an easy political run.
It’s a disgrace!
Murdoch is also saying Credlin really runs the place. He’s only saying that so that people won’t be as worried about the perception that Abbott might be in control. Yet another boost for Abbott.
It’s another disgrace!
Restricted … KL … 😉
I do note that Michael Pascoe uses a phrase very similar to “as much money as possible”, but with caveats.
If a government really wants to plan for the future, limit tax pain later while continuing to provide our desired level of a social safety net, it needs to invest in Australia’s productivity now.
Commonwealth 10-year bonds are trading with a yield of 2.5 per cent. Right now, the government could borrow as much as it can dream of for very little, invest it in infrastructure development with a double-digit rate of return, improve the nation’s productivity, overcome some of the shorter-term challenges of our structural adjustment, reduce unemployment, end its over-reliance on monetary policy and restore some of the inter-generational balance that has been lost by public sector investment falling to its lowest level in generations.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/scary-joe-hockey-has-cried-wolf-too-often-20150220-13ker7.html#ixzz3SJt09Nsg
PR Teenager @SharriMarkson makes it clear her loyalties are with Murdoch as she cuts free Abbott & Credlin.
Yep. yabots days are numbered, when your benefactor cuts you loose like that, it just shows there is no support for him anywhere.
And, it doesn’t look like he will go quietly.
There was a time when I would have been glad of that, but the damage he can still inflict with his buffoonery makes me wish for a quick, clean and quiet exit. Too much damage has already been done.
“Too much damage has already been done.”
My thoughts exactly, TR … The Mad Monk Is far more dangerous to Australia than I think we realised …
Really, has Murdoch moved into supporting that catholic private school bully (Shorten)?
has Murdoch moved into supporting that catholic private school bully
Wrong catholic private school I think yomm. Use the noggin and see if you can work it out 😉
Xavier College doesn’t qualify for producing private school bullies?
“Too much damage has already been done.”
Too funny. An ALP/Greens supporter caring about damage.
The damage was done by Rudd/Gillard. Abbot is trying to clean up the damage.
Xavier College doesn’t qualify for producing private school bullies?
I’m sure it is quite capable of it. I just think that in this case, going on recent articles, murdochs “chosen one” graduated from elsewhere.
Damage?
Local car manufacturing went from 25% of the market to less than 10% in just 6 years under Rudd/Gillard.
Govt debt went from zero to 10% of GDP in no time flat under Rudd/Gillard
Our borders were trashed under Rudd/Gillard allowing anybody with $10,000 to get in denying poor refugees in UNHCR camps a place in Australia.
$12B was spent housing 50,000 boat people when there were only 6 boat people in detention in 2007 costing almost nothing.
Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard throwing hundreds of thousands of people out of work
ALP policies do not work. Never have never will.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-wanted-adf-ground-troops-in-iraq/story-e6frfku9-1227233304708
False apparently?
Problem is its the sort of crap The Mad Abbott comes up with no-one knows what is or isn’t anymore!
I suppose shit happens … hey?
When the lolstralian starts printing he said/she said shit that only puts someone in a bad light, you can be certain regime change is on their mind.
I’m just not sure the libs are ready for their chosen messiah, or if she even wants the gig herself.
And stories like this are just another reason why murdoch needs to be ignored. It does no one any help to have unattributed “sauces” speaking shit (or not)
If you have something as explosive as this to say, put a name to it, else it is just made up in my opinion.
the Oz is standing by its story – apparently, sauce or no sauce … 😯
”””””””””Greek debt mounted. New Democracy also couldn’t get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.
– Public servant jobs were a sinecure â just additional income, not earned, no attendance requirement, just income that supplemented your other job
– Taxes â optional
– Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)
This Modern Greek tragedy is a lesson in the importance of government restraint and a reasonable and effective tax system””””””
#yep, the corporate `deep-throater` is chasing all the `non-root-causes` yet again. yeah sure the `pigs` are basket-cases economically and `refuse-to/can`t-collect` tax-revenue.
#what l notice, is teh-usa and Aust are no better, these tax-systems refuse to make the financial-whales pay a fair percentage, while continuing to try a bleed financial sardines dry(gst-for-example).
#the `root-cause` of most nations financial woes is refusing to have a fair and equatable and policable tax revenue system. When they don`t, and allow the whales off the hook, you really can`t blame sardines for being crooked too.
””””””””Over the last 20 years the number of people reaching >65 years old is 1,100 per week. Many of those are destined for the pension(#Bubble1) as many don`t have sufficient super benefits””””””””’
#Bubble2 and higher demand on universal-health/medicare
#bubble3 skills shortage in various industry`s, as they retired
#bubble4 change/drop in tax revenue possible
#keating, as much as l hate his guts, DID identify the 4-bubbles above, would be coming thru the system, and the john-w regime ignored them, opposed them and denied them #teabags
“invest it in infrastructure development with a double-digit rate of return”
I note that none of Peter Martin, Greg Jericho, or Michael Pascoe can actually name one of these elusive double-digit projects. But that’s just me being pedantic about facts.
Fantastic interview… with Greek finance minister..
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/01/29/talking-to-phillip-adams-on-the-abcs-lnl/
Imbecile 🙄
””””’Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.”””””
”””””’Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.”””””
#no, that would mean scrapping the `limited-liability` fraud perpetuated against consumers, and allow them to pursue shareholders, boardrooms and high-paid upper management for their negligence/criminal-activity against consumers, and financial-fraud as the cba has recently done against its own customers, also should lose-out under `proceeds-of-crime` provisions.
More Pascoe: “The excessive tax-haven aspects of superannuation have to be capped”
Erm, as I keep pointing out, they are capped. Economics experts? GMAFB.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/scary-joe-hockey-has-cried-wolf-too-often-20150220-13ker7.html#ixzz3SMM86shG
The politburo is in a race against time. Operation ‘save my arse’ is in full swing. There will be no person of ethnic background left untrolled for a security/media alert. We must save
tonyaustralia.http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/21/tony-abbott-hints-at-crackdown-on-welfare-abuse-by-terrorist-suspects
…The prime minister, Tony Abbott, has foreshadowed a crackdown on abuse of welfare by suspected supporters of terrorist groups…
Inside SA senator Cory Bernardi’s business web:
http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/02/21/inside-sa-senator-cory-bernardis-business-web/14244372001523#.VOgr6nzQqSp
Tony Abbott’s foul-mouthed fury at whip Philip Ruddock:
http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/02/21/tony-abbotts-foul-mouthed-fury-whip-philip-ruddock/14244372001513#.VOguyXzQqSo
…Some months ago there was an ugly confrontation between Ruddock, parliament’s longest-serving member, and the PM. It ended in acrimony, with a prime ministerial “get fucked” adding colour. The topic was the long-time politician’s post-parliament job prospects. Abbott shocked his interlocutor by giving him rude short shrift…
Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?
Rupert has turned on Tony!
Just like he turned on Julia and Kev!! It’s all evidence that Rupert HATES the ALP and everything they stand for!! He’d do anything to help the Libs
*troops
…Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?…
They didn’t. Because abbott’s brilliant brainfart was knocked on the head quick smart when it was run by defence.
””””””’Speaking under parliamentary privilege, Bernardi admitted to having âproduced, sold and promoted both free and expensive investment education productsâ throughout his career. As a part of its investigation,
The Saturday Paper
has learned that these products were offered on websites owned by Bernardiâs former finance company Dallancorp””””””””
#l also noticed teabag michael kroger recently cashed-in big-time from the `child-care` kroger owns/associated-with.
#Personally armchair, l think all this cashing-in that goes on really just shows how they are only interested in trough-snouting, and how they don`t actually work for us on `any` level.
#lt also shows how `our` accountants and corporate-fluffers can`t actually identify `corrupt` behaviour. A waitress getting double-time 35-bucks an hour for actually working for her boss is a fcuking `disaster`, while pollies meant to be working for us, minimum 3500-bucks a week, and really are just running `their-own` business still.
“They didn’t. Because abbott’s brilliant brainfart was knocked on the head quick smart when it was run by defence.”
Oh. So he sought advice, and took it?
Sounds, sort of, un-captainlike.
””””””””The Liberal leader promoted second-term Queensland Liberal National Party member Scott Buchholz to the job. It has a 30 per cent loading on a backbencherâs pay. A nice little earner”””””””””””
#`loading`fun fact, from 3500/week, TO 4500/week
#where is `our` corporate-fluffers and accountants `loading` bleating on this one, they don`t have to `travel` else-where, no added risk, no more inconvenient hours, just WTF is this `loading` for #teabags
Apparently when I say – “taxes – optional”, that means something other than some people and companies not paying their share of taxes. Apparently.
#f**kwits
bongo””””””””””””’Consider these facts as a pulse check for the right of Australian politics. The South Australian Liberals lose an âunlosableâ election against a stale third-term government. The Victorian Liberals have two leaders in their first term and fail to hold government. Queensland sees a historic wipeout of a first-term whopping majority government, its premier the most prominent loser. In the Northern Territory, two or three chief ministers in the space of two years. The New South Wales Liberals seem to be travelling better, though they too have seen a first-term premier off the job. It is surely more than a coincidence. Much and all as the Abbott conservatives might hate to admit it, Turnbull was close to the mark with his TV observations. Slogans and dumbing down were patronising and ineffective. The fate of political parties in Australia is decided in âthe sensible centreâ.
In recent weeks we have seen some spectacular leaks coming out of the cabinet and Coalition party room â a sure sign of deep-seated dysfunction.””””””””””””
#well, it does seem in recent times bongo has fallen off the tea-trolley, considering bongo normally used to ride the tea-trolley with enthusiasm on meet-teh-press. l wonder what has made him change his tune, and resorted to stop team-cheering the teabags.
Erm, as I keep pointing out, they are capped.
Recapped or kneecapped … your choice … 🙂
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Tony Abbott, has foreshadowed a crackdown on abuse of welfare by suspected supporters of terrorist groups…
I suppose to The Mad Abbott that’s anyone who’s not on Team Australia … is it still alive?
…Some months ago there was an ugly confrontation between Ruddock, parliament’s longest-serving member, and the PM. It ended in acrimony, with a prime ministerial “get fucked” adding colour. The topic was the long-time politician’s post-parliament job prospects. Abbott shocked his interlocutor by giving him rude short shrift…
I’m sure that will be refuted by The Mad Abbott, The Hockey Stick and That C+++t Cormann …
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Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?
Your a fkn goat … ToSY … no (trops – yeah saw the correction) military personnel (ie PEOPLE) were sent … just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott … do keep up …
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It’s all evidence that Rupert HATES the ALP and everything they stand for!!
Now you – are being a sheeple … you can’t figure that Murdoch just wants to control Australian politics – preferably with an LNP PM … I would have thought with all your uni education and consultant’s experience you could have figured that out? And that time to think and analyse while waiting for the big one … (wave or shark) …
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Oh. So he sought advice, and took it?
Sounds, sort of, un-captainlike.
Passive defence again … ToSY ? Chuckle …
Your a fkn goat …
You’re…
guardian””””””””””’appear to be Man Haron Monis, the Iranian-born asylum seeker and gunman in the Sydney Martin Place siege””””
#l notice teabag-media love referring to this event, tho they all miss the obvious question to report on.
#Did 15 years of fed.govt `free-hate-speech` push this nutter over the edge.?
“just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott ”
An idea? How dare he?
“Your a fkn goat …”
“You’re…”
He’ll get it, eventually. He was in training, don’t you know?
Apparently when I say – “taxes – optional”, that means something other than some people and companies not paying their share of taxes. Apparently.
#f**kwits
And you talk about tbagz? WTF are you rambling about, ToM?
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’Consider these facts as a pulse check for the right of Australian politics.
Just demonstrates that The Westminster System is just that a fkn sytem to rip off the plebs by the wannabe (and real) Robber Barons …
My (our) problem is how do you stop the bastards! The only people who can change it is the plebs … but the switcheroo at each election isn’t working and never will …
And no-one will pick up a pitchfork in the 21st Century … JWH was very canny after the Port Arthur Massacre … and some of us are still wondering how one person could have done what Bryant did in so short a time and to so many victims (and the accuracy of the shots) …
“… and some of us are still wondering how one person could have done what Bryant did in so short a time and to so many victims (and the accuracy of the shots) …
When all else fails, go the conspiracy theory! You really are losing it (have lost it) TB Queensland.
just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott ”
An idea? How dare he?
Yer being silly again, ToSY … I wrote … a MAD idea …
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LOL!
Your a fkn goat …
You’re…
Best ya got, ToM?
He’ll get it, eventually. He was in training, don’t you know?
Best ya got ToSY?
Sad lads …
I can just see the emails – we’ve got ‘im on the typo! Check the typo! Win! Well done, bro!
Pathetic Pair …
“I can just see the emails – we’ve got ‘im on the typo! Check the typo! Win! Well done, bro!”
How pathetic. This is not Miglo and Min you’re talking about. I don’t do back-channel emails. You really do need to take a good hard look at yourself.
#under the heading
”””’couldnât get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.”””
#then a dot point
””’+ Taxes â optional””””’
#your heading verses your dot-point
#really just shows ya`don`t know know the importance/priorities,
#without the `revenue`, ya`can`t fund improvements #wrong.prioriy
When all else fails, go the conspiracy theory! You really are losing it (have lost it) TB Queensland.
You’re (!) beginning to sound as desperate as, Kneel, ToSY …
Ever fired a weapon? Ever been to Port Arthur? Know how many rounds there are in the weapons Bryant supposedly used? Know how accurate they are? Know what training and skills Bryant had? Know how people react to gunshots? Can you distinguish a gunshot?
Sure, it’s a theory but based upon experience and discussions with more experienced people than me … ?
… when all else fails – WTF failed?
The Westminster System? Are you happy with the way it works?
BTW, unless you are American (wouldn’t surprise me ) … it’s
… go TO the conspiracy theory!
If YOU’RE going to play my comments with the grammar card … get your own corrected before you post …
He was in training, don’t you know?
I left this alone before … but if you want to play silly buggers … happy to oblige! Always your choice …
How pathetic. This is not Miglo and Min you’re talking about
You’ve gotta be joking … not even an original reply – pathetic …
You really do need to take a good hard look at yourself.
Me? You questioned my fkn grammar … and everyone here makes typos or spelling mistakes … you made the “he’s in training” dig … if you want play time wasting Fuckwit again – happy to oblige!
“I left this alone before … but if you want to play silly buggers … happy to oblige! Always your choice …”
Gee, scary!
Give me your (you’re) best shot. It can’t kill me, can it?
#whinging
#f**kwit
” The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century.”
And suggesting that atheism was a major impetus behind any of it is spurious in the extreme. 🙄
BTW, who’s (whose) selling the popcorn these days?
There does seem to be a move on to remove Abbott. One conspiracy theory is that overseas powers want him removed before this conference takes place
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference
Abbott will be less likely to sign away our rights whereas Turnbull will sign.
this”””””””””’Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dismissed as “fanciful” and “fictitious” reports he raised the prospect of sending 3500 Australian troops to Iraq to fight IS in a unilateral action.””””””
verses-that””””””””The newspaper says Mr Abbott initially put forward the idea to members of his staff, including chief of staff Peta Credlin, during a meeting in Canberra on November 25 where there was no opposition to the plan.””””””””’
#LOL, of course mr-rabbit is imbecile enough to pursue tewwa-fetishes
Being a politician in this country is a license for insider trading with impunity. Worse when you create the legislation that your business mates want done and your family very handily buys into it (pollies wives do an awful lot of investing).
It’s a giant trough in which the elites have got their snouts stuck deep.
Arty sinodinos got caught out but most of them don’t. Kroger will do well when abbott makes his new child care policy. It’s a world of back scratching and favours for mates, all paid for by the mug taxpayers though.
#Tinfoil`osy has raised `swiss-riflemen` with TB. l wonder if Tinfoil`osy is inferring that having a country with many marksmen and rifles in it, the swiss probably don`t suffer the impoverished, intellectually dishonest blather that canberra perpetuates which passes as `community-discussion`. Could swiss politicians be behaving better, because `grassy-knoll` moments could result.
Yep there is certainly a move to get rid of Abbott whether it is good for Australia or not.
I note that none of Peter Martin, Greg Jericho, or Michael Pascoe can actually name one of these elusive double-digit projects.
Does this mean that you accept that the theory they are positing has some level of credence?
Not that selecting the projects lies within the realm of their expertise (they are there to float possibilities, the bean counters on the front line are best suited to what, if any, projects suit) Peter Martin at least still gets pretty close without being specific. And they all come with caveats.
If we are prepared to grasp it, there’s no shortage of projects that would set us up for decades to come. In education, in health, in the delivery to railway lines into suburbs that are at present barely accessible – in all of these areas there are projects whose benefits would exceed their costs and exceed them by more than enough to pay the minimal rate of interest being demanded.
Some are visionary. Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist Saul Eslake says if Australia was to get serious about reducing its dependence on coal it would consider paying coal producers to close, and speeding up the commercialisation of battery technologies that would allow Australians with the next wave of solar panels to live off the grid.
The risk is that bad projects would be chosen over good ones and the money wasted. Abbott himself provides reason for concern.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/low-10year-bond-rates-are-the-deal-of-the-century-but-abbotts-not-at-the-table-20150120-12tq4j.html
Just like he turned on Julia and Kev!
Well, to be honest, he never ‘turned’ on Julia. He was out to get her from day one.
WTF are you rambling about, ToM?
Yea, spill the beans yomm. between you and bagz, Meta’s comments are comparatively comprehensible. And they have the added bonus of being worth the time to decipher.
Abbott will be less likely to sign away our rights whereas Turnbull will sign.
Heard of a little thing called “Trans Pacific Partnerships that this current mob are itching to get into? And this is from the mob who harp on about “sovereignty”. Yet they are the ones looking to bring in the biggest threat to it of all.
“Does this mean that you accept that the theory they are positing has some level of credence?”
No.
The government already has on issue around $350,000,000,000 (350 thousand million dollars!) in Commonwealth Government Securities*, just meet the governments current obligations, and they’ll need to issue more as big spending programs kick in and revenue falls. That is, just to “run” the country.
To say that the government should now dream up infrastructure projects and pay for them by issuing even more securities – just because interest rates are low – is moronic. One of them, at least, acknowledges for such projects to be considered they should have a double-digit rate of return. None of your triumverate of economic fuckwits can name a single double-digit project, let alone one with any positive rate of return.
*Note: “This is not the same as Commonwealth general government gross debt, as published in the Budget Papers, which includes other liabilities including those not managed by the AOFM.”
Link: http://aofm.gov.au/files/2013/07/Portfolio-Overview-Dec-20141.pdf
To say that the government should now dream up infrastructure projects
Someone should tell the “Infrastructure PM”
Budget projections are that there will be $470 billion of Commonwealth Government Securities on issue by financial year 2017-18. That’s without trying, and, if I recall correctly, the debt ceiling is now $500 billion.
http://www.budget.gov.au/2014-15/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst7.htm
So there ya go folks Nis finally admits he supports Abbott…. and its all climate change conspirators fault that he is white anted, not is obvious incompetency..
FFS this imbecile draws a strong case for euthanasia of intellectually feeble corrupted sheeple 🙄
team-cheerer””””””””’spill the beans yomm. between you and bagz, Meta’s comments are comparatively comprehensible””””””””’
# l would suggest your `comprehension` is more effected by the `prism` you view topics thru as a team-cheerer, than any fault of mine, yomms or metas, as we didn`t tell you to join team-kevin07, team-joolya, team-nanny-roxon, team-kevin13, team-blib. And let`s face it. lt must be very tiring joining all those teams!
December 4, 2013
Joe Hockey cuts deal with Greens to scrap debt ceiling
Mr Hockey has just written to the Leader of the Federal Greens, Christine Milne, setting out the details of the agreement.
“We have agreed to repeal the current legislative limit on the total face value of stock and securities on issue set out in the Commonwealth Inscribed Stock Act 1911”
Click to access 309859-aus-news-file-hockey-letter.pdf
The reason that The Mad Abbott’s government is STILL on the nose in the electorate …
The dodging and weaving and wheedling and fogging … and still they don’t get that they are targeting the wrong end of town …
Barnaby Joyce needs someone to take him ’round the back of the local pub (wherever he now lives) and explain the facts of life to him …
(My bold)
And if you really need to see where the national dough is going …
$15 billion – F35 program (cannot fly combat)
$8.8 billion RBA “top up” (to support commercial banks)
$8 billion – ASLAV light armoured vehicles
$20 billion – submarines
$51.8 billion
Added to the budget in the last 18 months …
Well there’s an odd coincidence …
From TWA’s link … above
“Added to the budget in the last 18 months”
NO. Most of those things were not added to the budget. They were always going to be in the budget.
We have an airforce of 70 F/A 18’s. These were always going to be replaced by 70 F-35’s.
The Collins class submarines were always going to be replaced.
Lots of other Navy stuff in the pipeline.
And we will not pay for the F-35’s until they arrive in 2020.
Unless you are arguing we should not have a military your points make no sense.
Neil of Sydney…dumb as dogshit, whereby said dog is defecating pure quick-dry cement…
“Ever fired a weapon? Ever been to Port Arthur? Know how many rounds there are in the weapons Bryant supposedly used? Know how accurate they are? Know what training and skills Bryant had? Know how people react to gunshots? Can you distinguish a gunshot?”
I can answer yes to all of those questions, TB, and I still think the conspiracy theory is utter crap (sorry).
Have you read much about Bryant’s childhood? his mental state? his pre-massacre red flags?
Most of those head shots were in the Broad Arrow Café…point blank.
Gun control…one of the only morally justifiable things John Winston Howard ever did.
So, The Mad Abbott wants to make Australian’s life a fkn misery (not knowing what is being recorded and what’s not – by whom, for what, when, why!
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/sydney-siege-report-finds-man-haron-monis-was-not-treated-as-a-top-terrorism-priority/story-fnii5s3x-1227234175861
The current laws are ADEQUATE … just use them smarter! Giving more legislative powers to spy on ordinary people could be a disaster … we’ve already seen how incompetent our police and security services are with the laws we already have …
If the Mad Abbott’s Monastery gets it’s way … this time next year – I could be arrested for making this and the comments above …
Liberal government’s love control – in 1970 I was forced to swear allegiance to the Queen … not Australia … as a Republican in 1970 I found that to be distasteful to say the least (had I said no, I could have gone to jail … what use is a swearing under duress?
“Liberal government’s love control ” Liberal governments love control … Pathetic Pair …
I can answer yes to all of those questions, TB, and I still think the conspiracy theory is utter crap (sorry).
No probs, Toillete, I did say it was conspiracy theory … but as you’ve probably guessed I’ve listened/talked to many a soldier … and its the accuracy and the time frame that makes many think it was a two person operation …
The café is relatively small and people would have been stunned I agree but the accuracy of the wounds is very high even at such close range …
Gun control…one of the only morally justifiable things John Winston Howard ever did.
Do you think guns are under control? Really …?
# l would suggest your `comprehension` is more effected by the inability of certain individuals to string a comprehensible sentence together. It’s got nothing to do with #teamcheerinorbaggen, just the simplicity of the English language.
It appears that even that is too much of a #team for you to cope with.
found he was just one of thousands of people who are potential threats to national security.
I can see the “herd” getting thinned from centerlink as we speak. Bloggers need not apply.
I could be arrested for making this and the comments above
Well, teabagz and yomm will b safe, their incomprehensions are still undecipherable, even by the Turin machines available in today’s market.
It also requires the government to set out the reasons why the debt has increased by $50 billion.
What’s the bet they’ll be “incrementing” it by $45 billion stages (not that theirs anything (or not too much) wrong with that)
Better perhaps that we have no debt, and just a bagful of unemployed bludgers I guess.
Picking Winners
Picking Losers
Wot like
*Changes to pensions
*cuts to the CSIRO ABC and SBS
* Medicare Co payment
* Deregulation of the University sector
*De funding of major charities
and destruction of the clean energy sector?
yeah right so many people would have voted for that.because it was all disclosed in that pamphlet…When was the last time Abbott used the word mandate you fuckin imbecile..
For a dropkick with no grasp of the most fundamentals of economics you seem to harp on about prudent economics with no fuckin idea what it means.or how to ideify it uless its a team fiberal slogan chant
“Do you think guns are under control? Really …?”
Compared to a society where every citizen with a dose of paranoia or Teaxasitis can strap one on, or collect military grade automatic weapons at home…? Yes, absolutely I think guns are ‘under control’ here.
You can never stop the black market. That’s completely different from the proliferation which would occur if we could all go out and compile an unnecessary arsenal legally, imo.
The example of Sweden above is bogus, with relation to Australia at least. Sweden is a part of a continent which has been ravaged by conflict, on & off, for centuries. We are not Europe.
There is no justifiable reason whereby Australian citizens require automatic rifles, automatic shotguns, pistols etc…for anything other than *sanctioned & controlled) sport or recreation (and I’m not big on killing wildlife for ‘sport’ either, fwiw).
better correct myself before Tom does 🙂
We all charged up for Tony’s teworrist chanty tubthump tomorrow… Churchillian light
“The current laws are ADEQUATE … just use them smarter! Giving more legislative powers to spy on ordinary people could be a disaster … we’ve already seen how incompetent our police and security services are with the laws we already have … ”
Indeed!
Imagine more draconian privacy invasion ‘at the discretion’ of political animals. A recipe for freedom degradation & exploitation…not ensurance of safety.
Imagine more draconian privacy invasion ‘at the discretion’ of political animals.
Don’t be silly, Toilwet! It’s the left wing Communists that want control us! (Communally called the ALP by the TORIES)
And that brings us back to gun control (sort of) – BTW its Switzerland not Sweden – just be a Pathetic Triplet) … it’s not quite the same … just a lame joke …
Australians are more like the Swiss or Canadians than the Yanks (who really are paranoid) …
… and that’s because of the capitalist system they live under – no one is supported except those who actually live the American Dream – ie rich and/or famous … YOU CAN DO IT TO!
It’s a silly as Communism … one system fits all …
… and what mystifies me is a Royalist Liberal Party wants to emulate a Republican (not politically – well you know what I mean – not a Monarchial) Septic Tank society …
Apologise for typos … third glass of wine … whooo hoo!
BTW … second episode of Fortitude on tonight … very unusual murder mystery … but worth watching … do a CatchUp …
Sorry do an iView … ABC …
Why Fuckwits want to close it down is beyond me … apart from no ads … but then Fuckwit LNPs can’t work a Topfield let alone spell Topfield …
” I did say it was conspiracy theory”
No, you didn’t.
“From TWA’s link”
I think you’ll find Team Wrong Again is that cunt Nature 5.
“Neil of Sydney…dumb as dogshit, whereby said dog is defecating pure quick-dry cement…”
Why?
Our 70 F/A 18’s were always going to be replaced by 70 F35’s.
Our Collins Class subs are getting old and will be replaced.
Military equipment has a use by date and gets replaced by a newer version.
Unless we do not have a military F35’s, Subs and lots of other stuff will always be in the budget.
#Coin for Abbott: Indonesians’ angry backlash at PM’s Bali nine diplomacy:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coin-for-abbott-indonesians-angry-backlash-at-pms-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150222-13l5n2.html
The above is a big puff piece on credlin. Is it damage control?
attacks leaking Liberals, without naming anyone
Oh, the irony. Reap what you have sown, kingmakers.
Is it damage control?
Without reading it, which I hopefully won’t (willpower, hold back) who cares. murdoch has publicly stated his wish, to date, yabot has defied him, and we have seen the result of that, anonymous leaks and attack stories, murdochs filth against all who defy.
I get the sense that yabots attachment to credlin might even be stronger than his attachment to murdoch. Who knows what skeletons lurk?
I really didn’t envision the libs imploding like this, and I really didn’t think I’d ever see the day when yabot would bite the hand that feeds. Does he really think he got the keys to the Lodge off his own back?
I see John Lyons is standing by the The Oz story about Abbott wanting to send 3500 ground troops to Iraq.
And the Abbott Govt over the weekend is now using weasel words to reject the claim saying “no formal request” had been made.
That’s an interesting reference to the coins for Abbott AO.
All those photos of the Rp1000 coins!! They’ll only need 10,000,000,000 of those coins before they can expunge any sense of obligation for the money Abbott referred to.
before they can expunge any sense of obligation
That reference alone highlights the sense of “entitlement” that some people think we “deserve” for giving “aid”
It should also highlight how any future “aid” we might give could be interpreted perhaps as a “bribe” rather than “aid”
Everything yabot touches, sours.
now using weasel words to reject the claim
Well, to be honest, weasel claims only deserve weasel replies.
If they have something to say, tell us who is saying it, else, it is just more sauce for the mill.
While I dislike yabot and his ilk, I dislike gutter churnalism and media barons trying/succeeding in controlling our Parliament through weasel columns.
Yellow Journalism is back with a vengeance
Another missed opportunity when Labor were in power to wind back a clear rort into the CES. Sure, it was cumbersome and top heavy, but, that is the nature of oversight.
The Federal Government has clawed back more than $41 million worth of false claims by private employment agencies in just the past three years.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/government-recovers-millions-after-rorting-of-jobs-scheme/6193022
Some things should be left to Government. The proof is in the rorting.
Exactly the same thing happened with Childcare.
’That reference alone highlights the sense of “entitlement” that some people think we “deserve” for giving “aid”
Do you really think any country gives aid out of pure altruism? Aid is provided-
• because it makes us feel good,
• to ingratiate ourselves with the aid recipient and
• to provide some leverage
Abbott may be very clumsy and gauche but accepting (and giving) aid means accepting the gesture of international friendship and all the obligations that goes with that.
It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.
Do you really think any country gives aid out of pure altruism?
That would be an altruistic view to take, wouldn’t it?
It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.
I recall complaints from certain quarters about not letting Labor off just because “the libs are worst”, or comments to that effect
#justsayin’
“Oh, the irony. Reap what you have sown, kingmakers.”
The Abbott government is, in terms of “good government”, a continuation of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd – broken promises, incoherent spin-driven policies, an opposition big on negativity and light on alternative policies, a really dumb treasurer and rats in the ranks undermining the leader. Oh the irony indeed!
The tragedy is that by the time these fuckers are turfed from office Australia will have had a decade of incompetent government with no hope of better as Little Billy Two Knives takes the oath of office.
a continuation of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd
ROFL 😯
Except that (for Gillard at least) Government ran quite well, passing legislation and operating effectively (in fact, far more streamlined than ever before)
Just because yabot and his coterie ran the “shambles” screed, didn’t make it true.
As for lies, even IF you accept the Carbon TAx one, then that is …. well, ONE
There have been nothing BUT lies since this rabble came to power, Luckily for the voters, they truly are too shambolic to get anything passed.
And, speaking of the Carbon Price. That is now gone, but, where’s our $550?
Coal prices have crashed, the carbon tax has gone, yet the cost of electricity continues to rise. Oil prices have halved, yet the price of gas, which is linked to oil, is going up 17 per cent.
This used to be a country which thrived on an abundance of low-cost energy. Now virtually every consumer and every business is shackled by spiralling energy prices.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/a-conspiracy-to-stiff-gas-consumers-20150220-13keaa.html#ixzz3SVzkqcFY
“”because it makes us feel good””
Well that’s debatable…
The LNP (as attested by Abbott’s latest remarks), have wasted no time in suggesting that their should be some quid pro quo obligation on the part of the recipient in exchange for the funds, something which he now finds himself at odds with with his own Foreign Minister.
I would suggest there is a difference between the type of aid we allow for every year in the Federal Budget against the type of aid offered during a natural disaster.
The former appears to be about helping developing nations out of poverty and into a middle class existence and allowing Australian companies to benefit along the way in their development. It also acts as a disincentive for them to bomb the fuck out of us for the fun of it.
The latter type of aid should come with no strings attached, and the LNP has a track record in offering a paltry sum in these situations and then succumbing to public (or international) pressure to offer more at a later stage.
The LNP has already cut its foreign aid budget and to suggest that there should be some sort of “favour that can be called in” on a whim in return for humanitarian aid in the event of a disaster is distasteful and no doubt aimed at appealing to redneck voters who resent any suggestion of taxpayers funds being spent on foreign aid in the first place.
One wonder how johnwinston feels about one of the few good things he ever did as pm getting tainted by yabot the tainter?
“”Except that (for Gillard at least) Government ran quite well, passing legislation and operating effectively (in fact, far more streamlined than ever before)””
Rudd and Gillard also enjoyed a degree of popularity amongst the electrorate, with Rudd enjoying a staggering 70% of voter support when he unseated the lying rodent.
In contrast, Abbott hasn’t really enjoyed any popularity and only won the election because he was “the least unpopular,” oh and of course people believed him when he said there would be no cuts to health, education, ABC, SBS etc…
#WorstPMever
“”It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.””
Oh that’s just nonsense.
The Indonesians have been consistent throughout this entire Bali duo episode. It’s the Abbott govt who have been flapping about all over the place, with Bishop having to apologise for Abbott’s blunders, and let’s not forget it was Abbott who fucked up the relationship with Indonesia in the first place 18 months ago.
Abbott hasn’t really enjoyed any popularity
Also, ltdnews has only turned when they too have sensed his popularity is fatal, unlike rudd and Gillard, who they attacked in order to bring their popularity down.
yabots attacks are rear guard operations, designed not only to press murdochs agenda, but also I think to soften their “get Labor” image.
The Indonesians have been consistent throughout this entire Bali duo episode.
Consistently gauche, consistently brutal
Did you see the link I posted where Human Rights Watch suggested the Indonesia discontinue their intrusive virginity checks for female police recruits?
“and let’s not forget it was Abbott who fucked up the relationship with Indonesia in the first place 18 months ago.”
What did Abbott do?
All i remember is the Rudd/Gillard phone bugging and Labor trashing our live cattle trade.
I’m not getting into “which turd stinks the worst” type arguments. The real issue is that we have had dysfunctional government for the best part of a decade and it is unlikely to get any better when Billy Two Knives takes over.
“”Did you see the link I posted where Human Rights Watch suggested the Indonesia discontinue their intrusive virginity checks for female police recruits?*
What does that have to do with the favours in return for aid discussion?
*Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices…. 😉
Maybe it doesn’t have much to do with aid, but the virginity test has a little to do with a county being gauche
The real issue is that we have had dysfunctional government for the best part of a decade
Even though you’re not getting into “which turd stinks the worst” type arguments. 😯
Sorry, if you want to keep repeating something I disagree with, I’ll keep disagreeing, unless you can show me how I am mistaken. Can we agree on that 🙂
The Mad Abbott has to go … despite the geriatric apologies of Gerard Henderson and his BS that Abbott is admired in international circles … Abbott is destroying our international reputation … insulting 200,000,000 followers of Islam right on your doorstep is stupid and downright dangerous in the extreme …
This isn’t Diplomacy 101 … its Kindergarten Foreign Relations …
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coin-for-abbott-indonesians-angry-backlash-at-pms-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150222-13l5n2.html
The Liberal Party itself is to blame … they are the only people who can remove him, from office – contrary to his own silly belief that he was voted in by the people .. a quick look at the polls will tell you we don’t want him as PM …
Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices….
I only do that when I’m wrong, and I really don’t recall that happening.
… have wasted no time in suggesting that their should be some quid pro quo obligation
I’m surprised this wasn’t pounced upon by the grammar Nazis … must be one rule for the blogmeister and another for the plebs …
Just sayin’ …
Really TB, there’s a handful or 2 of people in the video.
I wouldn’t get too excited about the reaction.
Did you know that the Indonesian government conducts virginity tests for women seeking to join the police?
I only do that when I’m wrong
Others admit it before skulking off though
Anyway, guess we’ll see later yomm 🙂
Quick, look over the’re 🙂 , thei’r 🙂 horrible!
“”Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices…”
I was just posting that as a hypothetical situation, not one that I am accustomed to myself naturally.
“. a quick look at the polls will tell you we don’t want him as PM …”
That appears to be true.
But for you TB it does not matter what good Abbott does. You will vote ALP no matter what.
You voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%
“$51.8 billion
Added to the budget in the last 18 months …
No. Our 70 aging F/A18’s were always going to be replaced by 70 F35’s
Our 6 Collins Class submarines are approaching 20 years of age and will need to be replaced by 6 new submarines before they reach 30 years of age.
Unless you are arguing for no spending at all on the military your comments make no sense
🙂
I note that, speaking of subs, the “open tender process” or whatever it is called has explicitly ruled out ASC. I wonder how that SA lib who got lie to by yabot feels right now?
If it is like a Muppet, then he is feeling exactly how he looks.
Someone told me that IS/ISIS/ISIL has threatened to blow up a Westfield centre in Australia … can’t find anything … anyone else?
Quick, look over the’re 🙂 , thei’r 🙂 horrible!
Well, TR, if you are going to play the pedant card you should be consistent surely?
if you are
ROFL
anyone else?
I just read it on a blog, so must be right.
Meanwhile, our brave tewwa Xspurt refuses to buckle to tewwa questions!
I just read it on a blog, so must be right.
LOL!!!!!!!!! 😆
Thanx 4 keepin US saif TB 😉
Maybe Australian Malls are only in by association:
“Terrorist group Al-Shabaab released a video calling for attacks on shopping malls in the US, Canada and the United Kingdom, which included mention and images of the Mall of America in Minnesota.”
lol reb “10 flag” terra level.
For a long time, successive governments have been concerned about organisations that breed hatred, and sometimes incite violence. Organisations and individuals blatantly spreading discord and division
–
such as Hizb ut-Tahrir
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should not do so with impunity. Today, I can confirm that the Government will be taking action against hate preachers.
I’m not sure alan jones or bolt will be too excited about this.
18C anyone 🙂
“Sorry, if you want to keep repeating something I disagree with, I’ll keep disagreeing, unless you can show me how I am mistaken. Can we agree on that “
Sure can, Tom R. But I am not going to waste my time on a catalogue of R/G/R grotesqueries. You are so rusted-on as to be oblivious to any such short-comings and most independent thinking people get it anyway.
Surely, The Mad Abbott, will make the call soon … onward to Dabiq!
OI!OI!OI!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australia-comes-top-of-global-list-for-recreational-drug-use-in-united-nations-2014-world-drug-report/story-fni0cx12-1226979809971
And before I forget … ToSY
February 22, 2015 8:30 pm
” I did say it was conspiracy theory”
No, you didn’t.
February 21, 2015 7:47 pm
“Sure, it’s a theory but based upon experience and discussions with more experienced people than me … ? ”
And if you argue “but you didn’t say conspiracy” … you really have got it bad …
The Walking Dead are here already …
http://www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/themes/distinctive/img_resize/timthumb.php?src=http://www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/society-effects-of-smartphones-header.jpg&h=220&w=212&zc=1
I hear productivity is down too?
…should not do so with impunity. Today, I can confirm that the Government will be taking action against hate preachers…
Does that include bolt and that catch-a-fire mob, or only mooslim hate preachers?
10 x flag terror alert level!
hehe reb, that is the funniest thing ever!
…Prime Minister Abbott will NOT take questions from journalists at the ‘national security statement’ …
Fkn gutless wonder, guess he won’t take another question until after the next election, that’s a choker chain credlin’s got him on. Oh, I forgot, he don’t do questions anymore, he does scripted statements that he has taped in his office by his own camera man which he then sends out to journos/media.
Why do they play his game and bother showing them?
So much for a more ‘consultative’ PM:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/matthewson-so-much-for-a-more-consultative-pm/6212010
…The chastened PM promised he’d be more consultative in future, would “socialise” policy decisions before announcing them, and swear off making captain’s calls. But in the 14 days since then it’s become clear Abbott either has no intention of keeping those commitments, or is simply incapable of doing so…
‘And if you argue “but you didn’t say conspiracy” … you really have got it bad …’
That’s right, because a ‘theory’ and a ‘conspiracy theory’ are the same thing. 🙄
Give it a fkn rest … its like reading a kindy playtime story … I actually gave you a bit more credit than I did Kneel – might have to re-assess that …
“MORE FLAGS! WE CAN’T HEAR YOUR FLAGS!”
The Nazis marched with Swastika flags; and now, Tony Abbott stands in front of Australian flags.
Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?
Is there a conspiracy that their is a conspiracy?
Crikey says: take domestic violence seriously to protect us all:
…Today, a desperate Tony Abbott, standing Obama-like in front of a row of flags, promised yet further strengthening of security and immigration laws, and further restrictions on free speech, and released a report calling for more money for security agencies.
What no one is addressing is the extensive evidence that agencies didn’t need more power or more money or more information to stop Monis before he walked into the Lindt cafe — they needed to see violence against women as more than just a niche issue unrelated to their job of protecting Australians…
“Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?”
I believe it’s called syrupy, exploitative, sickly, overtly patriotic flagsturbation.
Unsurprisingly, his ‘base’ love that shit.
They probably like shiny things & being kept ‘safe’ too.
…Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?…
nationalism, patriotism and propaganda? Operation “save my arse”?
Tony Abbott on national security: plenty of flags and rhetoric, but not much detail:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/tony-abbott-on-national-security-plenty-of-flags-and-rhetoric-but-not-much-detail
…There was little new in prime minister’s speech and his refusal to answer questions leaves the impression that its main purpose was to deliver soundbites on the ‘new dark age’.
Tony Abbott’s rhetoric about the terrorist threat in his national security speech raced well ahead of any concrete details.
And the new measures that were flagged appear to go beyond what was recommended in the two reports to which the speech was ostensibly a response – the review of Australia’s counter-terrorism machinery, done within his own department, and the joint report from the secretary of the prime minister’s department and the secretary of the NSW premier’s department in the wake of the Lindt cafe siege.
The speech was delivered at the Australian federal police headquarters, where the prime minister was flanked by three ministers, scores of officials and six Australian flags, but where he was not available to answer questions about his statement’s contents. Which was a shame, because it raised a lot of questions…
The hilarity!
Over at Herr Bolt’s attack piece on Lyons, multiple Bolt-limpets are cancelling their online subscriptions to the Leftist (their words, not mine) newspaper, The Australian, in righteous fury!
You couldn’t make this shit up!
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_oz_cant_run_this_bull_story_big_and_then_not_say_sorry/#commentsmore
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/feb/23/tony-abbott-to-deliver-a-national-security-statement-politics-live#block-54ea9c69e4b02286e34091c6
…Abbott chose to make his address at the AFP headquarters, not in a parliamentary forum, which would have been the more conventional forum at times when parliament is sitting.
The prime minister’s decision forced the opposition leader Bill Shorten to make his reply in less optically desirable circumstances. Shorter Shorten: I’m with you Tony on the substance but I’m not with you on your rhetoric…
the oz fail again
…Tony Abbott has called on immigrants to Australia to “be as tolerant of others as we are of them” …
Fck, if they treat us as we treat them…it’s not gonna be safe to venture outdoors!
Sydney siege report was a ‘whitewash’ and security laws are ‘flawed’, Nick Xenophon says – video
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/feb/23/nick-xenophon-security-laws-sydney-siege-journalists-video
Medicines forecast to cost taxpayers millions more in secret TPP trade deal:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/medicines-forecast-to-cost-taxpayers-millions-more-in-secret-tpp-trade-deal
…Medicines will cost Australian taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars more each year if measures in a leaked draft of the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement are implemented, a new report says…
“”Did you know that the Indonesian government conducts virginity tests for women seeking to join the police?””
Wow……………what a great job their Police Commissioner has.
“I’m not a gynecologist………………………but I’ll have a look at it for you”
‘Free‘ Trade ‘Agreement (?)’, my arse…
Trans Profiteering Prostration
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/medicines-forecast-to-cost-taxpayers-millions-more-in-secret-tpp-trade-deal
Oops!
KL has already posted link to same.
Australia secured asylum deal by staying ‘silent’ on rights abuses: Sri Lanka PM:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/australia-secured-asylum-deal-by-staying-silent-on-rights-abuses-sri-lanka-pm
…Wickremesinghe said former president Mahinda Rajapaksa had agreed to help stop boats carrying asylum seekers leaving for Australia if Canberra kept quiet about alleged abuses committed by the previous regime…
Toiletwet, re Bolt’s BS … the comments are hilarious! Lefty journalists … chortle 😆
[crikey paywall] Galaxy: 53-47 to Coalition in NSW:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/02/23/galaxy-53-47-to-coalition-in-nsw-2/
…Conducted last Wednesday and Thursday from a sample of 923, the poll has the Coalition’s two-party preferred lead at 53-47 – slightly down on the 54-46 lead the pollster recorded last month, in its first survey after Luke Foley became Labor leader. However, it’s quite a bit worse for the Coalition than the other major poll conducted on Foley’s watch, a 56-44 result in a poll for the Sydney Morning Herald by Ipsos – a pollster which appears to have a lean to the Coalition compared with its rivals, if its federal polling to date is any indication.
Making things still more interesting is that all the numbers quoted above are based on previous election preferences, which blew pollsters nearly three points off course at the Queensland election. This is particularly significant given that Queensland and New South Wales alone share the optional preferential voting system, under which the previous-election method would seem to be especially unreliable. That is especially true when comparing a colossal electoral disaster for Labor with an election held when they are on the upswing – a situation which applies both in Queensland and New South Wales…
hey teabags and team-cheerers, you may recall l have previously reported #ponzi-jobs in previous discussion
tonights #4corners on my abc is `finally` reporting what my neighbors/friends have been telling me for years,
the whole `dole-office` system is riddled with corporate looting and fraud that works `against` the un/under/employed
#the `out-side` job-contractor system was started under the john-w regime, and kept during the joolya-regime, kevin07-regime, and still operates under the mr-rabbit regime. #go-team!
Interesting … especially if you’re (chuckle) a CC follower …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/more-siberian-methane-blowholes-found-in-permafrost/story-fnjwvztl-1227236656999
Robber Barons at work! (With the help of the government) So where are the names of the rorters!
The CES worked really well … until privatisation in 1998 …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/investigation-exposes-fraud-within-taxpayer-funded-jobs-services-australia/story-fnkgbb3b-1227237512956
My bold above – its not difficult to see where the money should be spent … and its not on employment agencies … how much did Therese sell her business for?
Things are certainly warming up at the IPCC. Head honcho and steamy novelist, Rajendra Pachauri, has resigned amid allegations that he is a sexual predator. Interestingly he has gone straight to the Craig Thomson excuse:
Pachauri’s excuse seems to be about as plausible as Michael Mann’s claim to be a Nobel Laureate or anything else the IPCC publishes.
And if you want a good belly laugh there are plenty to be had in this piece.
media-quote””””””’780,000 people competing in Australia for just 150,000 jobs”””””””””
# hey Teebz, l reckon that is wrong. My Guess, 780,000-dole-people PLUS twice as many in junk-jobs, competing for 150,000 jobs. What do you think TB.?
# My Guess, those 150,000 jobs, most of`em are probably `junk-jobs` too.
The internet is abuzz!
How’s this for crowdfunding! And 3D technology?
Now over $3 million and climbing!
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/crowdfunding-investors-went-nuts-for-this-gamechanging-australian-invention-a-beehive-with-a-honey-tap-2015-2
Looks like the Bee’s Knees, TB. Are you an amateur apiarist?
Also, the crowdfunding thing is evolving. It is now an important part of the marketing strategy of many companies. Pebble started there with their smart watch. Now they have grown to 130 employees and boast that “big and serious companies” are partnering with them. Yet they are going back to Kickstarter for another round of crowdfunding for the new model smart watch.
They probably don’t need the money but if they do raise a lot in short space of time this will be good free advertising for them.
And the money they do raise is better than debt or equity as they don’t have to pay interest or dilute the investors.
Now from the land of “when people stop believing in god they don’t believe in nothing – they’ll believe anything” we have this puff-piece for a lefty-approved religion.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation welcomed the FCC announcement of its proposal to regulate for net neutrality. So far, so good.
But it seems that the FCC is going to pass the regulation before it is made public, which is causing concern about other aspects of the regulation:
“Pachauri is no stranger to the salacious, having penned a fictionalized autobiography full of boasts of sexual exploits, nor is this the first fracas in which he’s been involved. Five years ago he was accused of raising huge sums of money for his foundation on the basis of bogus IPCC claims that Himalayan glaciers were not long for this world.”
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/25/embattled-green-leader-resigns-as-ipcc-chief/
“bogus IPCC claims that Himalayan glaciers were not long for this world.”
Pachauri is a true mountain man. Hence his predilection for mountain women.
Funnily enough it now appears that Pachauri’s mountain mate is turning on him
“Unfortunately, since September 11 the United States government has been unwilling to apply the same standard of criticisms that we have applied to Christianity to the religion of Islam. Yet as with any other large tradition, the labors of selective tradition can be applied to Islam as well. Western governments have tied themselves in knots to the point of foolishness because they refuse to state what is obvious to many millions of people about the importance not of the religion of Islam per se but of interpretations of Islam in this era of terror. Just as it makes no historical sense to discuss slavery or the Holocaust without examining Christianity’s contributions, so it is ridiculous to assert that the Islamic State, the Hamas Covenant, the fanaticism of the Iranian mullahs, al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood have nothing to do with Islam. It amounts to saying that its adherents either do not mean what they say or that they don’t know what they are doing. Both assumptions are condescending. To be sure, these varieties of Islamism differ from one another, but they all engage in the labors of selective tradition. They did not invent the texts that they quote but they have selected and emphasized some rather than other components of the tradition. They can all point to passages in the Koran and in the commentaries about it that in their view justify attacks on the Jews, on Muslims of whom they disapprove, on Christians and on other assorted “infidels.” Bassam Tibi, the author of Islamism and Islam, has described Islamism as an invented tradition. He does not mean that Islamists have invented quotations that do not in fact exist in the Koran and its commentaries. Rather, he means that in selecting some and neglecting other aspects of key texts, they invented a distinctive 20th- and now 21st-century ideology that has fostered fanaticism and violence.”
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/23/one-standard-not-two-for-christianity-and-islam/
“Part of the problem is that the Left failed to criticize unions as their leadership often evolved to having more in common with the bosses than with their own members. As the Left moved away from worker issues in the Sixties to Civil Rights, the anti-war movement, feminism, and cultural issues, blue collar workers became alienated from those who were now largely content to support labor by merely singing Woody Guthrie and Weavers songs. The Left largely came to look down their noses at workers because of attitudes regarding culture and the war, only honoring workers when their issues were tied to something else, such as the largely Mexican-American United Farmworkers Union or access to jobs for women.”
http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/one-thing-those-of-us-who-are-pro-union.html
I’m outraged that every section of the hateful anti
Gillard & ALPAbbott & Liberal press are speculating about the Prime Minister and a challenge,RuddTurnbull has said there is no challenge, but the press continue to talk it up.The biased media wants to bring down
GillardAbbott.“Rather, he means that in selecting some and neglecting other aspects of key texts, they invented a distinctive 20th- and now 21st-century ideology that has fostered fanaticism and violence.””
Only it is not just a 20th- and now 21st-century ideology. The question is whether the original rules still apply or whether they were of their original time and place and are not applicable now.
Early on the question arose as to whether or not one could have sex with female sex slaves given that adultery was forbidden. Mohammad answered that it was permissible and adopted the practice himself. It is not surprising then that those who believe that Islam is unchanging and that it is virtuous to imitate the actions of the prophet. None of what Islamic State do is innovative. Nor was it innovative in the 20th century. Wahabism goes back to the eighteenth century. In fact the 20th century “innovations” have been continuously present, though not always dominant strand of Islam.