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February 17, 2015

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Welcome to another sporadic, completely unplanned and unpredictable open discussion thread where you can talk about whatevervse youse like..

 

 

 

 

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  1. February 17, 2015 8:57 pm

    Why are people so unkind…?

  2. February 17, 2015 9:11 pm

    Because they`re basically monkeys, that accidently tumbled out of the tree-tops centuries ago, and weren`t bright enough to climb back up. (thanks-kamahl)

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2015 9:16 pm

    Thanks kamahl, you are very kind!

    I did light a soy, scented candle for reza tonight, the room is very fragrant. Reza barati’s murder while in detention angered me. Nobody has faced a trial yet.

  4. February 17, 2015 9:34 pm

    Did anybody watch qandaland last night.? Mr-Talkbull was on the panel and his appearance at times seemed to be a leadership sales pitch to back-bench/teabags at times. Blib may be in trouble yet.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2015 9:44 pm

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2015 10:08 pm

    I saw qanda bagz. Once again, malcolm showed his oratory skills and reminded us that he is the statesman that tony abbott is not.
    I liked lisa wilkinson, she asked questions that we wanted answered [malcolm waffled in a very congenial manner!] She didn’t get much air time though, nor did the human rights guy, I liked him too. ABC trying hard to avoid any accusation of bias. Aunty is nobbled!

  7. February 17, 2015 10:27 pm

    Qanda gave the show over to Malcolm. He’s their candidate for PM. If there must be a Liberal government, at least let their leader be Labor lite.

    #anyonebutabbott

  8. February 17, 2015 10:27 pm

    Fuck you Kamahl.

  9. February 17, 2015 10:36 pm

    That graph is funny armchair, its possibly a prank, tho l wouldn`t be surprised if it isn`t either.

    Teabags-80%, TJ-10%, 3-others,sharing-10%, as you can see, my abc hasn`t quite their `balance` issue solved.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2015 10:38 pm

    Baby identity cards in immigration detention are a thing now. Well done Australia

    Tattooed numbers are much cheaper …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fuck you Kamahl.

    You wish, ToSY … you arty, farty types are all the same …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see it was Lesley Gore’s time to leave … thank goodness none of it makes any sense at all to me yet … 🙂

  11. February 17, 2015 10:45 pm

    Yeah armchair, l quite like wilkinson too, she seems to be both sharp and ethical, unfortunately the morning platform the network has stuck her on is reasonably crap and wastes her talent (mostly), unfortunately the networks are doing less and less of the quality, investigative, hard-interview stuff which l think she would do/did/does pretty well.

  12. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:17 am

    While throwing mud at the likes of Triggs, it is clear the real political interference comes from the libs themselves.

    Pink Batts Royal Commission, Union Royal Commission, and now

  13. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:18 am

    And just a reminder of hockeys belligerence in the light of our skyrocketing unemployment figures (whatever they may be these days)

  14. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:19 am

    ABC trying hard to avoid any accusation of bias

    So, just how many NoBN questions DID malc get asked?

    at least let their leader be Labor lite.

    Labor might be many things, but they aint that form of ‘lite’

    MALCOLM TURNBULL:

    I support… no, let’s go through it. I support the re-prioritised funding of official development assistance. I support introducing co-payments for general practitioner pathology and diagnostic imaging services in the Medicare Benefits Schedule. I support the reforms to higher education. I support the changes to family payment reform. Do you want me to read through the whole Budget?

    Any fucken “liter” and he’d sink into the pavement.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:01 am

    I’ve said previously that I like Chris Bowen, but politicians have to be across the detail in their portfolio. Alan Jones is always posing random questions about detail, it’s hardly unexpected.

    Federal opposition treasurer Chris Bowen has been accused of not knowing a key area of his portfolio after he was unable to identify Australia’s tax-free threshold during a live television interview on Tuesday night.
    Repeatedly pressed by talkback host Alan Jones to outline Australia’s tax levels, Mr Bowen was unable to identify the $18,200 figure as Australia’s tax-free threshold.
    In the fumbling interview on Sky News, Mr Bowen appeared visibly uncomfortable as Jones pressured him to prove his knowledge of Australia’s tax structure.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chris-bowen-struggles-to-name-taxfree-threshold-during-alan-jones-interview-20150217-13hngs.html

  16. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:09 am

    Chris Bowen doesn’t even know the tax Free Threshold that his party raised. 😯

    Wow, that’s making hockey look competent

    Repeatedly pressed by talkback host Alan Jones to outline Australia’s tax levels, Mr Bowen was unable to identify the $18,200 figure as Australia’s tax-free threshold.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chris-bowen-struggles-to-name-taxfree-threshold-during-alan-jones-interview-20150217-13hngs.html

  17. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:10 am

    Doh, beat me to it yomm 😉

  18. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:13 am

    it’s hardly unexpected.

    But the fact that it was a big Labor initiative that (from memory) the libs tried to wind back in the last budget………

    Maybe more coffee before interviews?

  19. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:28 am

    One would expect Bowen to at least say “around the 18K area”” that would be somewhat excusable.

    But to have no idea AND be unable to nominate the first tax rate is inexcusable.

  20. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:31 am

    This is priceless. theirabc won’t do it (too busy spruiking malcontent) so the internets did

    “I just don’t understand what I have done to deserve all this”…………….

    “The National Climate Change,” says the first daughter.
    “Marriage equality,” quips the second daughter.
    “Medicare,” chimes in another.
    “Freya Newman,” says the first daughter again.
    “Probably the Canadia thing,” adds the last daughter.

  21. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:33 am

    But to have no idea AND be unable to nominate the first tax rate is inexcusable.

    Sadly true 😦

    I mean, it’s fine for hockey to be a bumbling idiot, but Bowen too 😯

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 9:56 am

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:02 am

    You know, we keep getting told that it’s cheaper to import shit because UNIONS. Well, thank fuck for them I say. And, stop pandering to dangerous countries

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:08 am

    I’m pretty sure Bowen would at least know the rate of the GST.

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:23 am

    This article is a good attempt at understanding Islamic State. It is quality journalism – seeking out experts and listening carefully to supporters. It has something for everyone and it will cause people from all points of view think about their assumptions.

  26. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:30 am

    I recall a post up about Sarah Feguson on the other thread that linked to a fairfax article that claimed

    One of the ABC’s most acclaimed journalists, Sarah Ferguson, was so hostile towards Treasurer Joe Hockey in an interview last year that she breached the broadcaster’s bias guidelines, an ABC-commissioned editorial review has found.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sarah-ferguson-interview-with-joe-hockey-breached-abc-bias-guidelines-review-20150217-13gbmj.html

    Except, it appears that the fairfax article was indulging in “bias” of it own.

    … a review it commissioned found she might have broken guidelines on bias during a heated interview with the treasurer Joe Hockey.
    …….
    But Ryan said the “tone” used by Ferguson towards a “rattled” Hockey “could have been interpreted by some viewers to be a potential breach of the ABC’s impartiality guidelines”.
    …….
    The broadcaster has stressed that Ferguson was not found to have breached any ABC editorial policy.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/17/abc-defends-sarah-fergusons-interview-with-joe-hockey-against-bias-accusation

    So, she didn’t breach anything, but some precious pets might think she did (I’m pretty sure that could be said of any interview, think back to ulman and Gillard)

    Fairfax have been shit for a long time. This is just another example of why.

  27. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:38 am

    That’s a good article (so far) sb. I don’t agree entirely with this though.

    Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it

    I’m not sure that people don’t believe it is religious nutters, but it is not “Muslim” in the generic sense. Or, no more than David Koresh or Jim Jones are “Christian”

    They are extremists, and should be treated as such.

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:42 am

    Chris Bowens ignorance of the tax free threshold shows a difference between lefties and Conservatives.

    If Hockey made that mistake there would be lots of photos with smart arse captions under them.

    Personally i do not have a problem with people not up on facts. Politicians need to know where to go to find out answers but mostly need wisdom to solve problems.

    Barrie Jones had a photographic memory but i think he was useless at solving problems.

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:48 am

    It is the job of journalists to go after poliies in interviews. The interviewer’s job is not to provide a platform for them to spout their nonsense. If the pollies aren’t up to it then they should quit the game.

    Problems of bias may arise with softball interviews, partisan editorialising, selection of commenters on a panel or selective outrage. But precious pollies not up to the task of a good cross-examination deserve the humiliation they get.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 11:07 am

    And, stop pandering to dangerous countries

    The new terrorism, TR, so who’s watching the borders?

    And an FTA coming to a country near you … jesus fkn wept …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … it will cause people from all points of view think about their assumptions.

    I’ll read it next, sb … wonder if it mentions uncontrolled, psychopathic, murderous thugs?

  31. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2015 11:23 am

    “……….., stop pandering to dangerous countries””

    I have never ben able to fathom why Australian producers have never bandied together with an “Australian Quality “” campaign revolving around safer food growing standards like the non use of certain pesticides, steroids, and fertilisers.

    If you have ever been near the Mekong River you would never ever purchase vannamei prawns or bassa fish from a local retailer here. Nor would you purchase ham off the bone unless it was labelled as from Oz.

    Personally I don’t even like purchasing loca grown grain fed meats preferring instead purely grass fed.

    Even a lot of garlic we have in our supermarkets is from Asia. And there you have a bulb plant grown fully immersed in “night soil””………………………..Mmmmmmm Yum.

    Hep A is a hazard of purchasing foodstuff from overseas that does not need further cooking before consumption……….i.e. berries

    We cant test everything that comes in and most of it comes from non FTA countries anyway

  32. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 11:27 am

    so who’s watching the borders?

    No-one’s watching the real threat (cheap and dangerous goods coming in), to busy victimising victims.

    I recall reading that these products come in without any checks (or next to none), yet ours have such stringent regulations to pass (in China at least) and, they are forced to enter through the north of China because of these regulations, that it makes many of them prohibitively expensive. I’ll see if I can track it down later)

    Free Trade My Arse (that’s NOT an offer 😉 )

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 11:30 am

    We cant test everything that comes in and most of it comes from non FTA countries anyway

    Yep! Agree with all that Wally …

    I understand that there is a loophole anyway from China via NZ … ? Strange when the all standards are Australian/NZ … hey?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sb, I’m about 1/4 of the way through and I have changed my opinion already … uncontrolled, psychopathic, murderous, intellectually limited, religious extremist, thugs?

    Off out so I’ll get back to The Atlantic later (a good read so far BTW) … and I do know why you put it up … hope some others here read it too …

  34. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 11:47 am

    I understand that there is a loophole anyway from China via NZ …

    Yes. We have taken to only buying BirdsEye frozen veges, as they are about the only ones that don’t go through NZ or direct from China.

    Well, they claimed they didn’t last time we checked.

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 18, 2015 1:09 pm

    PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/16/pms-strategy-hold-onto-power-matter-damage/

    …The dog whistle is extremely useful for a political leader who fears his support base is leaching away.

    That can be the only explanation for this call to arms from Prime Minister Tony Abbott…

  36. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 1:21 pm

    hold onto power, no matter the cost:

    That feeds back into your “wag the dog” link yesterday. Any cost, which is quite disturbing.

    Mind you, it has looked as if he has been looking for a war ever since he was handed the throne. But that could just be my “bias” speaking 😉

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 1:33 pm

    “it is not “Muslim” in the generic sense.”

    Not even sure what that means, Tom R. I guess you are saying that most Muslims would find it repulsive and that certainly appears to be the case. But IS is Islamic in the sense that it is clearly based on the teachings and life of Muhammad. There is good Islamic precedent for most of the grotesque stuff it does.

    One problem is that they appear to be extreme literalists. This sort of thinking, when combined with religious zeal, can have barbaric results. Fortunately there are not too many Christians and Jews still thinking that way:

    Dear Dr. Laura Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

    1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness – Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

    4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

    Jack

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 18, 2015 1:50 pm

    Religion, hate, bigotry and prejudice go hand in hand, as soon as we can wipe all religion off the face of the earth the better. Then we only have ourselves to blame for a lack of humanity. That is just too confronting for some people, no godspeak to hide behind.

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 2:02 pm

    Some religions do hate, bigotry and prejudice more than others. And some secular ideologies are worse than any religion. The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century.

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 2:08 pm

    “PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:”

    So says leftist Paul Bongiorno. As far as i am concerned Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon and any other leftist journalist are all liars.

    Just like the people who quote them.

  41. February 18, 2015 2:15 pm

    “”As far as i am concerned Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon and any other leftist journalist are all liars.””

    “”Just like the people who quote them.””

    But if the person doing the quoting is also a liar, then doesn’t that mean the original statement must therefore be truthful?

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 2:30 pm

    “PM’s strategy – hold onto power, no matter the cost:”

    Even if true, so what??

    How is this different to hawke/keating/Howard/Rudd/Gillard or any other PM?

    Bongiorno is an idiot.

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2015 2:35 pm

    All those religious rules seem a little restricting. Still, if it’s the will of God, I can’t argue.

  44. February 18, 2015 2:35 pm

    Apparently Everyone is an idiot but Nils…

    http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/rickypann/Trolls/repmono_zpsqg4xia44.jp

  45. February 18, 2015 3:34 pm

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 3:54 pm

    The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century

    So the Emir = Stalin? (The Emir has a way to go … Stalin was estimated to be responsible for between 20 and 40,000,000 deaths …)

    And Hitler is OK ’cause he believed in god, I suppose?

    Arseholes are arseholes … but add up the numbers since 1 AD and (if we’re counting) religious responsibility for “early” deaths come down hard on the religious side of the debt.

    Only a denialist would ignore the misery brought to ordinary folks courtesy of religion … or try to count the bodies

    In my world you’re either a good guy or your not (religious or not) … thoroughly dislike hypocrites and controllers … or foolers …

    And killing someone for religious non-belief or religious belief is wrong … at least if you don’t believe in a god … 👼

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon … that list is destined to get longer as the days go by … and will include such stalwarts as Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt (Piers isn’t so switched on – he could even be Kneel)

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:01 pm

    “and will include such stalwarts as Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt”

    I find myself in agreement with a lot of what Bolt and Jones say.

    I cannot say that for Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Martin, Keane, Gordon. Those guys make my skin crawl.

  48. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:17 pm

    Not even sure what that means, Tom R. I guess you are saying that most Muslims would find it repulsive and that certainly appears to be the case

    That would be why I mentioned the “Or, no more than David Koresh or Jim Jones are “Christian””

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    I was listening to a recent Sunday Safran when they had an Indian comedian talking about the Muslim faith, and how, in his opinion, Islam has yet to become “metro” (his term he had heard someone use to describe a very moderate muslim, and how he sees Christianity), as in, abandon all/most of the nasties like most modern Christians have with the bible. But it also seems that many of the nasties are not even in the religion itself but (a bit like catholics etc) has been introduced over the years by people with their own agendas.

    It certainly is something Islam as a religion must face, but something that Muslims as followers should be labelled with.

    A tricky line to walk.

    then doesn’t that mean the original statement must therefore be truthful?

  49. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:20 pm

    This has just so much going on in it

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:42 pm

    TomR

    Why don’t you do a funny caption with Bowens lack of knowledge of the tax free threshold.

  51. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:49 pm

    nIls

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 4:52 pm

    Well lefties seem to specialise in funny/stupid captions.

    But only for Conservative politicians. You generally leave alone ALP/Greens politicians.

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 5:18 pm

    “Only a denialist would ignore the misery brought to ordinary folks courtesy of religion “

    And only a denialist would try to pin all the bad stuff on religion, which was my point!

    I didn’t deny that people do bad stuff in the name of religion. I was trying to add a touch of balance to proceedings.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 5:21 pm

    What ISIS Really Wants … is the end of the world … long winded article but had some interesting information (tho’ on some occasions contradictory opinions) …

    … bunch of Dickwits® … another lot who believe in religious fairy-tales and the End of Days … although ISIS think they can bring End of Days on … and it explains the taunting of the West …

    Continue bombing them and keep Western soldiers’ boots off the desert sand …

    A conclusion would be to draw ISIS – ISIL – IS whatever … to Dabiq … and then nuke the lot of them …

    This article is way ahead of its time tho’ … headed – March 2015???????

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 5:34 pm

    I didn’t deny that people do bad stuff in the name of religion. I was trying to add a touch of balance to proceedings.

    Me too … but I’m not a religionist, a communist, a socialist, a capitalist or any “ist” … I have personal beliefs based upon my life/work experiences, observations, discussions (including here) and reading …

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 5:37 pm

    “I have personal beliefs based upon my life/work experiences, observations, discussions (including here) and reading …”

    But you voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:04 pm

    FMD, Neil. Who cares? The only purpose your comment serves is to diminish you.

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:12 pm

    Who cares?

    I do.

    TB voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

    If the Coalition was in power with unemployment at 11% TB would have said how could anybody vote for a party with unemployment at 11%.

    It shows that TB votes for a party not principle.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:33 pm

    Day Nine of Good Government …

    INDONESIA’S Foreign Ministry has reportedly rebuffed Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s statement that the nation should remember Australia’s Boxing Day tsunami aid in its deliberations over the fate of Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-to-indonesia-lets-not-forget-about-the-1b-tsunami-aid/story-fncynjr2-1227223657782

    200,000,000 Muslims in Indonesia as I recall … clever lad The Mad Abbott … 🙄

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:37 pm

    Would Rudd/Gillard said anything different?

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:39 pm

    Day Nine of Good Government and the gobbledygook, hypocrisy and contradictions escalate …

    Oh, and the persecution of children …

    “If we don’t keep this data, our crime fighting agencies and the police are flying blind,” Mr Abbott said.

    The $400 million cost represented one per cent of the $40 billion telecommunications sector.
    “It seems like a small price to pay to give ourselves safety and freedom,” Mr Abbott said.

    Asked if industry would have to pay for the measure, Mr Abbott said: “It is very important that if you do business in this country, you adhere to the rules.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/data-retention-to-cost-estimated-400m/story-e6frfku9-1227223966500

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 6:49 pm

    Wow the person who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11% makes a comment.

    Hey TB do you care about people?

    Unemployment is now at 6.4%. A good result if we were living in the Hawke/keating reign.

  63. February 18, 2015 6:54 pm

    “Hey TB do you care about people?”

    Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?

  64. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:12 pm

    Abbott’s statement that the nation should remember Australia’s Boxing Day tsunami aid in its deliberations over the fate of Bali Nine duo

    Can this fuckwit demean us any further. ffs, now he’s threatening them with foreign aid in a time of emergency 😯

    Considering the way morriscum threatened the release of kiddies from JAIL (and then reneged) so he could get his laws through, it seems to be more of a pattern of behaviour than a brain fart.

    This is how they operate, threats and intimidation.

    And they wonder why they can’t get their miserly budget through. Fucken bullying idiots

    (yes, I saw your link on the other thread too reb, but didn’t get around to posting there)

  65. February 18, 2015 7:20 pm

    Surely it`s `reasonable` in the name of corporate `deep-throating` that the public accept completely the `risk` of, being randomly contaminated (or school children in bulk) with hepatitis berries. Surely it`s `reasonable` to continue to allow `poor` corporations to circumvent food-safety laws along with work-place laws in the pursuit of profit. #Tinfoil.Cubicle.Wisdom #bleat.bleat.bleat

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:21 pm

    “Considering the way morriscum threatened the release of kiddies from JAIL”

    Put there by the ALP/Greens.

    You know the ALP/Greens locked up more men women and children than any govt in Australian history

    Here is a picture of ALP policy in action

  67. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:22 pm

    Poor hockey just carnt work out where all that money went. It must’ve been the Worlds Greatest Treasurers fault, really.

    Among the political donations, a $250,000 gift to the Liberal Party from the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association stood out.

    While there were bigger donations from individual entities, nothing from any other industry group came near it. And the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association is hardly one of the heavyweight industry bodies.

    Moving right along, there is item D20 of the tax expenditures statement: $750 million this financial year for “application of statutory formula to value car benefits”.

    And $760 million next financial year.

    And $830 million the following year.

    And $940 million the year after.

    It adds up to a rather large amount of money.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/car-leasing-tax-break-a-yardstick-for-governments-fiscal-integrity-20150217-13hccz.html#ixzz3S5CVgA4N

  68. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    Here ya go nIls

    http://www.howtotalktoyourliberalmate.com.au/

  69. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:26 pm

    Something to remember when ASC doesn’t get the gig

    Japan was initially deeply reluctant to work with Australian shipbuilder ASC or share technology, but Sky news reporter David Speers, who is on a Japanese-government funded trip to Japan, reported on Tuesday that Japan was now “willing to partner with the ASC even though this would require sharing sensitive military technology in an unprecedented manner”.

    But according to Speers Japan does not want “a tender or a competitive evaluation process in which it would compete against European companies” but rather prefers “a decision in favour of Japan before the Abe government decides how much of the build and the technology it is willing to share.”

    The government promised before the election that the submarines would be built in Adelaide.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/17/staged-tender-will-take-place-for-20bn-collins-class-submarine-replacement

    But really, just why is unemployment getting so high? It’s truly bewildering. Aren’t we “Open 4 Business”?

    “It is very important that if you do business in this country, you adhere to the rules.”

    And additional costs the Waste and Red Tape create 😯

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:33 pm

    “But really, just why is unemployment getting so high? “

    Because people voted for Rudd in 2007. it was at 4.3% when Howard lost office.

    Unemployment now is low if we were living in the hawke/Keating era. 6.4% is a great result for Hawke/Keating

  71. February 18, 2015 7:39 pm

    I’ll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing:

    Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2015 7:48 pm

    ” Hey Neil, do you care about people on Nauru?

    Most probably not.

    I care more about the people in UNHCR camps we would have taken if these country shoppers did not come here.

    But it is a difficult topic. Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees we have to have a quota system.

    How many refugees do you have in your spare bedroom?

  73. February 18, 2015 8:04 pm

    “”How many refugees do you have in your spare bedroom?””

    Not as many as I’d like, however I have met a number of asylum seekers and have donated food, furniture and financial assistance after hearing first hand their personal stories.

    How have you helped them Neil?

  74. February 18, 2015 8:19 pm

    l notice the teabags are still drinking deeply from the `tewwa-fearist` toilet-bowl, while ignoring all the blood-baths thru history created by other dog-club members. #pantywetters

    +

    #kneel.is.still.a.fcuking.yawn

  75. February 18, 2015 8:22 pm


    My next door neighbour came here on a boat. with nothing from Vietnam. Highly paid and educated taxpayer who is highly regarded in the community now. My dentist and his wife cane mer as children on a boat, does free work and donates time to give back…

    Both of these people as have many refugees, contributed way more than Nils to Australia, that’s why he’s so vindictive… jealousy.

    Fuck Nils , he;s just a intellectually challenged gutless fuckwit, Fucking spineless fudge plumber wouldn’t say half the stuff he says in here in real life… Just a gutless troll Reb

  76. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:24 pm

    while ignoring all the blood-baths thru history created by other dog-club members.

    Even though sb clearly acknowledged them back up thread?

  77. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:25 pm

    It’s no wonder we call her libtika

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:32 pm

    Dear Dr. Laura Thank you for doing so much to educate people

    I forgot to thank, sb, for the Leviticus (primarily) quotes … very apt, clever and the sarc is exactly right for TGT!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:35 pm

    Very time consuming here at the mo … daughter in hospital, son and wife away … so we have three g/kids staying (11/13/16 yo) … love ’em to bits but they do shatter the routine … 🙂

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:39 pm

    Yeah!

    That’s right!!! Why should we be concerned or interested in 21 people being beheaded in Libya when their religious forebears were probably doing that kind of thing 200 or 300 or 500 years ago.

    I blame Murdoch

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 8:49 pm

    I blame Murdoch … About bloody time, ToM!

    I take it that you’ve just wadedread through,sb’s, The Atlantic link?

    Just like not sending foot soldiers is the best of poor military decisions but we shouldn’t send any anyway?

    Lots of hindsight too …

    After all that tho’, the “history” and “religious interpretation” make bombing the best option so that the non-real-Muslims – will have to fight the real Muslims (IS) so that they don’t build hills of heads …

  82. February 18, 2015 9:00 pm

    Geez, shadow Bowen is making eleventy look fcuking brilliant. #18k #what.a.chump #team.blib

  83. February 18, 2015 9:37 pm

    l was including that atlantic link tomr, article ignores, 1.teh-usa `cleared` about half the landmass that`s claimed as islamic-state, and 2.`booker` gulag, kidnapped and tortured victims of teh-usa, when released when teh-usa pulled out, are one of the groups that united/joined the syrian/others (pronounced `booker`, unsure of spelling, buqka??)

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2015 10:23 pm

    Geez, shadow Bowen is making eleventy look fcuking brilliant

    Frightening stuff … Dumb and Dumber …

  85. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:14 am

    Alan Austin continues his examinations of hockeys budget, and the massive, glaring fails within.

    The Abbott Government’s first budget has failed on several levels. The Top 40 chart of wasteful spending decisions was shown in part one. Equally disastrously, multiple billions have been lost in revenue not collected.

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has no coherent long term tax program. And he has failed to implement any short term strategy to protect the economy while trying to traverse his preferred propositions through a wary new Senate.

    The Coalition’s tax white paper due last December has still not appeared. This is causing considerable anxiety in the business community.

    The fact that a sound revenue policy was not completed before the last election is clear evidence that Tony Abbott was not the “brilliant opposition leader” the Murdoch media lauds relentlessly. He was arguably the worst in living memory.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/joe-hockeys-budget-megafail-part-2,7384

    Of course, genius’ like nIl will blame Labor, and ask what they would do in their place. The question should be, of course, what wouldn’t they have done that hockey has that has so severely trashed our budget.

  86. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:25 am

    And, IA stays on the “birther” bandwagon

    Tony Abbott’s dual citizenship: Stop asking questions — he’s the PM!

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-dual-citizenship-stop-asking-questions–hes-the-pm,7382

    Many other MP’s have had to reveal their Form RN (?), and a few have been caught out. Why the absolute refusal? Especially for an “open” grubmint?

    So, “skeptics” can call it “birther”, but those interested in a truly open and honest grubmint simply call it, well, honesty.

    I mean, with yabots record, his word just isn’t enough anymore.

  87. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:28 am

    And the libs continue their bullying ways. I don’t know why Dreyfus didn’t just physically kick the individual out, or call security to have them forcibly removed. Don’t let them bully you, it just enables them.

    The shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, told Guardian Australia he had complained to Brandis after the attorney general instructed his staff member be present when Dreyfus met Triggs late last year, not long after the commission delivered to government its final report on children in detention. The meeting was not about the report.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/18/labor-objects-to-george-brandiss-staffer-overseeing-meeting-with-gillian-triggs

  88. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:29 am

    And speaking of bullies

  89. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:32 am

    And hypocrites (and baseless political footballs

    The tally of workers killed last year in industries the Abbott government is deregulating raises ominous questions. Not just about workplace safety, but also about hypocrisy in politics. The figures are grim.

    ………

    It ought be noted that the figure of 17 construction deaths in 2013 was abnormally low. The average for the last five Labor years was 33. The average for the last five years of the Howard government was 39. But, it also needs to be noted that the rise in workers killed in mining and construction in 2014 was despite significant contraction in workforce and activity.

    ………..

    Why this is a raw area for many practitioners in workplace safety and observers of government hypocrisy is that the Abbott team, when in opposition, gained great political advantage from the shameless exploitation of the deaths of four young workers on the home insulation program (HIP), part of the Rudd government’s 2009-10 stimulus spending. The names of those men and the circumstances of their deaths were well publicised by the mainstream media and an opposition out for blood. Government ministers were directly blamed.

    Less well publicised were the facts that the HIP insulated more than a million homes, that overall construction fatalities decreased in 2009 and, arguably, that the stimulus saved Australia from a devastating recession. So what will be the reaction of the media, the opposition and indeed the government to the additional 17 mine and construction workers killed in 2014 while those industries contracted markedly?

    Royal Commission, anybody?

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/01/13/workplace-deaths-abbott-punts-a-macabre-political-football/

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 9:11 am

    His lawyer Stephen Kenny said the court decision means Hicks was now an innocent man with no convictions.

    Innocent my arse … unless he can prove he thought he was at an exclusive adventure camp …

    But Hicks’ story began about 15 years ago when he left Australia to travel to Pakistan and then on to Afghanistan, where he joined an al-Qaeda training camp.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/hicks-lawyer-says-his-client-now-innocent/story-e6frfku9-1227224888442

  91. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 9:29 am

    But Hicks’ story began about 15 years ago

    ltdnews limiting the news again TB?

    Hick’s story “began” back when he ventured into the Kosovo War, which could go a long way to explaining his feelings for Muslims and their “enemies”

    But, too much detail for a ltdnews article

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks#Religious_and_militant_activities

    Depending on your “side”, Hicks was either a rancid terrorist sympathiser, or a wayward son who, once finding out that al-Qaeda were not like the KLA, attempted to extricate himself from the situation, whereupon he was captured.

    I’m sure the truth is somewhere between 😉

  92. February 19, 2015 9:47 am

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 9:54 am

    So what will be the reaction of the media, the opposition and indeed the government to the additional 17 mine and construction workers killed in 2014 while those industries contracted markedly?

    Your politicising the issue, TR …

    The insulation scheme was a great concept poorly managed by an incompetent minister (Garrett should have stuck to wailing on stages) and an overconfident PM. Both admitted culpability.

    But the states had greater responsibility being responsible for training – even tho’ we have a national training system it is administered via each states’ Act and Regs … WH&S is also each individual state’s responsibility … registration of contractors is also a state responsibility … the contractors themselves were not charged as I understand it … the RC was indeed a travesty for all concerned and I bet the families are feeling no better because of it …

    However … blaming the Abbott government for deaths in the construction industry (obviously taking notice of the CFMEU campaign) … is no better than the LNP political snottery of a RC…

    WH&S is still a passion of mine … and I’ve been involved in many campaigns to raise awareness of deaths and serious injury* and as you may recall the better part of my career was in training the workforce from the then Qld President of BHP Coal to high school kids about to go to work experience …

    But making safety a political football only makes it worse … more needs to be done in learning and assessment …

    *(safety officer, safety manager, NSCA training consultant, line manager/service/production/light engineering, RTO training consultant)

  94. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 10:10 am

    But making safety a political football only makes it worse

    A little late for that TB. The footy was kicked years ago. Are we supposed to ignore that? This goes back to the enabling bullies I mentioned. Being too polite to sink to their level will not make them stop, shoving their hypocrisy back in their faces is the best way to start the fight back imo.

    And, saying that the ministers admitted culpability is stretching it, isn’t it? Do you have a comment from them about that?

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 19, 2015 10:14 am

    Are you comparing accidental deaths to state sanctioned execution (as a result of the actions of an Australian government agency)?

  96. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 10:20 am

    Are you comparing accidental deaths to state sanctioned execution

    Are you posting before your meds kick in this morning yomm?

    Can you highlight whom the courts in Australia found culpability for those deaths attributed to?

    I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t anybody political.

  97. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 10:32 am

    Apparently, there are questions over if the census will be abolished, or cut back. After spending millions to bring it online ..

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:02 pm

    The tassie member for bullying and intimidation who has recently been upgraded to executive after much toadying to abbott.

    Dr Powell, The Examiner letter and Mr Nikolic MP:
    http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/dr-powell-the-examiner-letter-and-mr-nikolic-mp/

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:06 pm

    More tassie MP romps.

    Abetz and Channel Highway Land Deals
    http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/abetz-and-channel-highway-land-deals

    Erich abetz been a senator since 1994

  100. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:07 pm

    More bullying I see AO

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:11 pm

    The consumer has no idea that the berries they eat have come from a high contamination area because they don’t have to stick that info on a label. Nothing will change though, it’s all self [no] regulation, can’t ask too much of profit chasing business. Consumers don’t get a look in.

  102. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:13 pm

    Abbott rejects calls for better food labelling as it’s too much trouble for businesses

    Too much trouble to safeguard Australians

    “It seems like a small price to pay to give ourselves safety and freedom,” Mr Abbott said.

    But no price too high to spy on Australians

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:48 pm

    No need to overdo it
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/strewth/do-it-by-halves/story-e6frgdk6-1227224566624

    …AT the National Press Club, Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson waxed lyrical about the free market. A splendid ideal, though not one Wilson’s $325,000 job was ever exposed to. Unlike the experience of his fellow commissioners, whose jobs were advertised, Wilson simply received a phone call from George Brandis, who asked if he was interested. Of course, the Attorney-General was exercising his liberty in making that call. As they say, let freedom ring…

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:05 pm

    Of course, the Attorney-General was exercising his liberty in making that call.

    Vice Captain’s call, KL?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And, saying that the ministers admitted culpability is stretching it, isn’t it?

    No … you may be confusing liability with responsibility and culpability …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=culpability+definition&oq=culpability&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l10.1387.4434.0.6164.11.11.0.0.0.0.224.629.7j0j2.9.0.msedr…0…1c.1.61.hp..2.9.623.QXEKq1ZiX-U

    Hence my … the contractors themselves were not charged as I understand it … in other words no-one was found liable for the deaths …

    I and many other WH&S professionals in Qld argued long and hard for corporate manslaughter to be included in the Qld Act …

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:10 pm

    I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.
    Where did it come from?
    What’s wrong with the good old “that’s just the way it is”? too negative or something?

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:18 pm

    Hick’s story “began” back when he ventured into the Kosovo War, which could go a long way to explaining his feelings for Muslims and their “enemies”

    Yep, I know … but 15 years is long enough to be opposed to CoW troops including Diggers!

    And he just told reporters that he was “on holiday” in Afghanistan … lies upon lies … innocent my arse!

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:19 pm

    …I and many other WH&S professionals in Qld argued long and hard for corporate manslaughter to be included in the Qld Act …

    Goodness, can’t make the management responsible for the outcomes of their own profit driven demands!

    Best to dream up lots of WH & S policiies and place the responsibility on the employees to follow them although never aknowledging that it is it impossible to complete the work given in the time demanded if they follow the policies to the letter.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:24 pm

    Yeah, I remember and see it now, KL …

    Nothing much has changed in a decade 😯 ! (I retired in 2005!!)

  109. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:24 pm

    but 15 years is long enough to be opposed to CoW troops including Diggers!

    Did he ever fight against COW? It was 15 years ago, not 15 years of fighting. For most of those 15 years, he was locked up in a gulag being tortured.

    innocent my arse!

    of what though?

  110. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:25 pm

    I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.

    I AGREE!

    But, it is what it is 😉

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:29 pm

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2015 2:42 pm

    Went to BWS to buy some Bowlers Run.

    Apparently it does not exist anymore. It is now called Riverside Landing. But the price is the same.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 4:03 pm

    I think this …

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/03/remember-labors-skyrocketing-debt-the-coalitions-is-much-worse/

    Is far more enlightening than Bowlers Run now being called Riverside Landing – a bit of trivia that some of us knew a couple of weeks ago but thought there were more pressing issues … like the awful mess this Federal LNP government is causing …

  114. February 19, 2015 4:07 pm

    “I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.”

    Yes! It’s totally meaningless, as is “what you see is what you get”.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 4:17 pm

    Yes! It’s totally meaningless, as is “what you see is what you get”.

    That’s not meaningless … it means, “no more, no less” …

    It is what it is … means … it is what it is …

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2015 4:24 pm

    “like the awful mess this Federal LNP government is causing …”

    The awful mess was created by Rudd/Gillard and the people like TB who voted for them.

    Hockey is having trouble cleaning up the ALP mess.

    Guess what? It is most probably not capable of being cleaned up. I think we are in trouble.

  117. February 19, 2015 4:30 pm

    “It is what it is … means … it is what it is …”

    And what information is that meant to convey to the listener/reader?

    (Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room. 🙄 )

  118. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 6:18 pm

    Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room.

    No they can’t! 🙂

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTML_editors#WYSIWYG_editors

  119. February 19, 2015 7:21 pm

    Ha ha, yes armchair, l noticed bananabys bleating too last night. The #hep-berries will be one of those topics that show how adamantly looney the teabags are, and show, yet again, how the teabumpkins will be trodden on, as they `inadvertently` side with `consumer-rights` advocates and insist on some for of clear product labeling. #much.fun

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2015 7:37 pm

    “…And what information is that meant to convey to the listener/reader?…”

    I have no idea tony
    I just think – huh???

  121. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 7:45 pm

    I just think – huh???

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 8:51 pm

    (Fair dinkum, some people could start a fight in an empty room. 🙄 )

    But I agree … It is what it is … means … it is what it is … is stupid …

  123. February 19, 2015 9:43 pm

    I’m tired now of hearing the meaningless phrase “it is what it is” cropping up everywhere.

    I doubt the fuckers that use tha expression even know “what is”
    Danial (the most talented musician on the planet) tellin you what is…

    Went to BWS to buy some Bowlers Run.
    Apparently it does not exist anymore. It is now called Riverside Landing. But the price is the same.

    Easily pleased…His taste in grog matches his political taste.. Simple, sour, down market and cheap… 🙄

    Guess what?

    Your mad and were not?

    It is most probably not capable of being cleaned up.

    i hate when they cant hold their piss and start slurring…. keep drinkin that cheap plonk till ya pass out Nil…
    It probably isnt what it is…

    I think we are in trouble.

    Yep look at the government genius…

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 10:03 pm

    Easily pleased…His taste in grog matches his political taste.. Simple, sour, down market and cheap… 🙄

    Chuckle … guilty … 😆

  125. February 19, 2015 11:46 pm

  126. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:10 am

  127. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:33 am

    I think the lolstarlian have a typo

    Low-paid win from childcare overhaul

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/low-paid-win-from-childcare-overhaul/story-e6frg6nf-1227226304781

    Didn’t they mean to right/write

    CLASS WARFARE!

    I think I’ll wait on reading the fine print before making a judgement on the actual proposal 😉

  128. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:37 am

    And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row

    Some of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s senior colleagues are concerned that his tough talk with Indonesia may have undermined a carefully crafted strategy to save the lives of two Australians on death row.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fears-tony-abbott-has-damaged-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150219-13j3tn.html

  129. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:41 am

    And grog tears apart the libs mantra of “intergenerational theft”.

    O’Dwyer’s whole thesis is contained in her assertion that “at the family level, most parents look to build some wealth to leave to their children and grandchildren so that they have an easier start in life. At the government level, Labor took the opposite approach.”

    Except a government surplus is not national wealth.

    Australia’s economy – and its wealth – grew substantially though the Labor government period. Indeed, when you compare our performance against other major economies, we did very well:

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/feb/19/intergenerational-theft-a-coalition-favourite-that-ignores-the-long-term-benefits-of-spending

    His comments on a future Carbon Price, and the time bomb yabot has left, are interesting too.

  130. February 20, 2015 9:49 am

    Tom R… that’s it mate.. Nils cries bowlers green tears

  131. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:50 am

    “And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row”

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

    Usual Fairfax rubbish. Clearly no one is getting anywhere much with the Indos on a political level. The Bali 2 only hope is by putting a stopper on it via the legal system or pressure from other governments like the UK and Brazil who also have people to be executed. The UN has even weighed in on it.

    Abbott was simply telling it like it is. It will be much easier for us to cut aid to the Indos or redirect it somewhere else.

    Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide.

    But when a cunt like Hicks says he was in Afghanistan just for a holiday then you gotta hope Bill Shorten keeps on talking.

    Bill is just not upto being PM.

    And in NSW an LNP victory is basically now assure with the ALP releasing a shambles of an infrastructure policy where they have allocated monies twice by mistake. Plus Electricity workers are going on strike next week over a paltry 5% payrise.

    Keep it up boys the LNP thanks you in its hour of need

  132. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:51 am

    Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL

  133. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:52 am

    Not to mention Martin Parkinson and Glenn Stevens.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:35 am

    …Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL…

    Ask the greeks about austerity and how well it works for ordinary workers [hint: you might need protective head gear]

    …Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide…

    It was definitely an injustice and he should be allowed to sue. There was no australian law that he broke and there’s no law against being a dickhead [abbott would be in jail if there was]. Howard begged the US to keep hicks in the worst of gitmo, he was thrown to the wolves [just as the bali 9 were]. As hicks old lawyer ?dan mori said, the US and the UK did not allow their citizens to undergo the same justice that hicks copped, they got their pople out real quick.

    Howard and his ministers, abbott included, should have been answering charges themselves for AWB and an illegal war against a sovereign country. Hicks torture and incarceration should be another charge against them, playing war games with the lives of australians. Howard is dead set against an apology because he is as guilty as hell and he knows there should be compensation paid.

    Our government has shown that if you are not a good little sheeple allowing them to control and dictate every aspect of your life, if you step out of line or dissent from the way they operate, you are treated as the enemy.

  135. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:42 am

    “Ask the greeks about austerity and how well it works for ordinary workers …………””

    Compared to what is around the corner unless they negotiate in good faith the Germans are going to slam shut the piggy bank and so no more pensions and no more public service salaries.

    They run out of money in March and have already been bailed out and are now abrogating their promises to reform their economy from previous bailouts.

    If you don’t keep your side of the bargain your bankers will walk away as they should.

  136. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:43 am

    Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending

    Greece’s problems went far deeper than their borrowing. Theirs stems from years of providing tax exemptions that they could not afford.

    I won’t draw any comparisons to the exemptions hockeys currently handing out to his mates 😉

    Not to mention Martin Parkinson and Glenn Stevens.

    I’m assuming that you are referring to the ltdnews misrepresentations of their comments. Be careful listening to snake oil salesmen wally 😉

    Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks.

    So, you think it is OK to lock up and a torture a citizen for years and then discover that he has ” no case to answer”?

  137. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:44 am

    The libs hypocrisy continues to shine

    Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg shifts his work super into union-backed industry fund

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/assistant-treasurer-josh-frydenberg-shifts-his-work-super-into-unionbacked-industry-fund-20150219-13j49f.html

    The very funds they want to curtail. fucken hypocrits.

  138. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:45 am

    there’s no law against being a dickhead

    🙂

    Thank Fuck!

  139. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:45 am

    “”…he was thrown to the wolves [just as the bali 9 were]. ….””

    And how conveniently you all forget that Chan and Sukarmaran refused to co-operate in naming their higher contacts within their crime ring.

    That did not help their cause sentence wise.

  140. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:49 am

    That did not help their cause sentence wise.

    Does that excuse yabot from jeopardising their lives now?

  141. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 10:58 am

    “Does that excuse yabot from jeopardising their lives now?”

    Bishop already said there would be consequences. And she’s really doing the behind the scenes stuff.

    The Indos will shoot them anyway.

    The uneducated masses of Indonesia fucking hate us. And they vote

    Frankly I hope we pull a lot of Aid from them and give it to Cambodia instead. Far more deserving than those cnuts.

  142. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:02 am

    “…the US and the UK did not allow their citizens to undergo the same justice that hicks copped””

    Oh cry me a river.

    I’m sure Hicks would have been dealing out Taliban justice if he hadn’t been caught.

    Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:03 am

    “Howard and his ministers, abbott included, should have been answering charges themselves for AWB

    Why?? So some Australian company used bribes to obtain business. I would think that is normal for that part of the world.

    But i have never seen any evidence of a money trail from an AWB official to somebody in the Iraqi govt. It does look like money was siphoned off somehow but i doubt anybody knew what was going on. Apparently it was siphoned off as trucking fees or something like that.

    Beats me why the Howard govt has anything to answer.

  144. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:04 am

    The Indos will shoot them anyway.

    And just in case there was any sor of light at the end of that long miserable tunnel, yabots there to snuff it out for them.

    [abbott would be in jail if there was]

  145. February 20, 2015 11:19 am

    “”The Indos will shoot them anyway.””

    And you wonder why some people mistake you for being an optimist.

  146. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:20 am

    And you wonder why some people mistake you for being an optimist. human

  147. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:21 am

    Looks like there could be movement at the station

    EXCLUSIVE: AFP refer James Ashby to CDPP over perjury allegation

    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/exclusive-afp-refer-ashby-to-cdpp-over-perjury-allegation,7390

  148. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:30 am

    “”And you wonder why some people mistake you for being an optimist.””

    Not where the Indos are concerned. Even Singapore ignored us back in 2005 was it not.

    If you read some of the stuff on the Jakarta Post blogs the stupid fucking ignorant cnuts kep referring to the Australians as White.

    They cant even make the connection between Chan and Sukamaran being different to Smith or Jones. Stupid dumb fuckers they are.

    You cannot deal with collective idiocy like that. The vast majority of Indo pigs have already passed judgement.

  149. February 20, 2015 11:33 am

    “”Indo pigs””

    You’ve never really struggled with political correctness have you Walrus.

    #NTTAWWT

  150. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:36 am

    “”You’ve never really struggled with political correctness have you Walrus””

    LOL

    I don’t list it as a “strength” on my old CV

  151. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:41 am

    Its a bit strange when you go to Vietnam and Cambodi and they trow out the welcome mat to Australians and Yanks who blew the joint to bits in the 1960s.(They still despise the French)

    Yet Australia was critical in getting Indonesia independence from the Dutch yet now they hate our guts.

    They can go fuck ”emselves.

    They are just further proof of the usual corruption of mind that springs from Islam

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:43 am

    “And yabots yammering may have sealed the fate of the two Australians on Death Row”

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

    Obviously some folk don’t have much idea about the passive approach favoured in diplomatic circles … aggressiveness will usually get a result too … y’know, for every action there is an opposite and equal action …

    Meanwhile Bill Shorten reckons a great injustice was done to David Hicks. Whether it was or not is for Australians to decide.

    But when a cunt like Hicks says he was in Afghanistan just for a holiday then you gotta hope Bill Shorten keeps on talking.

    Bill is just not upto being PM.

    Yep, agree stupid, stupid man our Bill … that’s two major gaffes this week by the ALP …

    Ask the Greeks about the long term benefits of borrowing and over spending LOL

    Having been to Greece a couple of times, I can assure you that we are no where near the lazy laid-back Greek model of society!

  153. February 20, 2015 11:46 am

    Lets not cry #bowlersgreentears over those indo recalcitrant killas… its reality TV!!!!
    #soyouthinkyoucansmuggle

  154. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:50 am

    “”I can assure you that we are no where near the……””

    Yeah…………….that’s because the hard working ones emigrated to Oz, the USA , Canada and the UK years ago.

    They left the dregs behind

  155. February 20, 2015 11:50 am

    #soyouthinkyoucansmuggle

    LOL…

  156. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:52 am

    Any nation that kills smugglers yet allows the participants in the Bali bombing to now walk fre is seriously fucked up

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:56 am

    “Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird”

    You are describing the majority of ALP/Greens supporters.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:59 am

    Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg shifts his work super into union-backed industry fund

    That is so contrafkndictory hilarious … these pricks just blow around in the breeze!

    Imagine this dick as a salesman … “… these Sony TV’s are the best in the world, sir, you’ll love it!” … “… what brand do you own?” … ” … Samsung of course, but I do have an old Sony in the kid’s bedroom …”

    I would think that is normal for that part of the world.

    The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws (of which Australia is a signatory) against bribery and corruption in any business … FFS go back to school!

  159. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:00 pm

    If you read some of the stuff on the Jakarta Post blogs the stupid fucking ignorant cnuts kep referring to the Australians as White.

    Ignorant doesn’t really convey it, does it. Don’t they realise we aren’t white, we are BlueTied! (which does have it’s roots in White, I’ll agree)

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:03 pm

    “Anyone with a soft spot for that cunt is just weird”

    True enough. But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.

    “I don’t list it as a “strength” on my old CV”

    The fact that it is not on your CV is a strength.

    If I saw any hint of political correctness on a CV I would immediately bin it. And if it was apparent from the CV that I was dealing with a full-blown progressive I would invite them in for an interview just to waste their time and have something to laugh about at Friday drinks, having expressed interest in their PC concerns just to watch them go full progressive poseur on me.

  161. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:04 pm

    that’s two major gaffes this week by the ALP …

    Wow, declaring that a citizen (albeit perhaps a dickhead citizen) is locked up and tortured for years (while citizens from other countries on similar “holidays” are sent home free), only to find that he was doing nothing illegal (as opposed to immoral, or just stupid).

    Yea, what a gaffe. Who wants a Government to defend it’s citizens that way? 😯

    STOP THE DICKHEADS!

    Speaking of which, do we know if yabot has renounced his dickhead citizenship yet?

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:06 pm

    “But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.”

    But that is not why ALP/Greens support this guy. He is a hero to them for some reason.

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:06 pm

    Ricky there is something terribly wrong with that picture of Bob Hawke. His beer glass is full!!! The camera must have a ridiculously fast shutter.

  164. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:08 pm

    But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.

    It’s a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it.

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:12 pm

    I wonder why this was not mentioned before the spill?

    But don’t worry we get to do the “land-based testing” on the subs. Not sure how that works, but it probably isn’t the biggest part of the project.

  166. February 20, 2015 12:14 pm

    Well this is sad. I’ve read a few of his books, and always found them fascinating:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/20/oliver-sacks-reveals-terminal-cancer

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:27 pm

    “The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws”

    TB of Queensland you are insane.

    Trading with the enemy was a legally sanctioned UN program. Just look up UN Oil for Food program. Hundreds if not thousands of companies were ” trading with the enemy”

    The Americans/Canadians were annoyed because we got the business selling wheat to Iraq rather than them.

    Please don’t make any more comments until you know what you are talking about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme

    The Oil-for-Food Programme (OIP), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities.

  168. February 20, 2015 12:32 pm

    “”Please don’t make any more comments until you know what you are talking about.””

    Hear Hear!!

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:41 pm

    REb

    Did you read TB’s comment?

    “you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens …

    TB is trying to make out something was happening that wasn’t.

    Selling food, medicine and other humanitarian stuff to Iraq was a legally sanctioned UN program. Just look up UN OIl for Food program

    Hundreds of companies from all around the world were selling food to Iraq. We were selling wheat. Other Australian companies were selling stuff as well.

    TB of Queensland is telling lies and he does not care.

  170. February 20, 2015 12:44 pm

    “”TB of Queensland is telling lies and he does not care.””

    He does not care that he is “”telling lies,”” or he does not care about the “humanitarian stuff”..?

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:49 pm

    TB of Queensland does not care he is telling lies.

    After the first Gulf Wat Iraq was under sanctions. Th UN introduced a program where Iraq could purchase food, medicine and other needed stuff in exchange for oil (UN OIl for Food program)

    It was a legal program run by the UN.

    TB is trying to make out something like we were trading with the Germans or Japanese while the while WW2 was going on.

    TB is a total deceiver. It makes sense. He votes LABOR.

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:53 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme#Financial_statistics

    “Over US$53 billion worth of Iraqi oil was sold on the world market. About US$46 billion of these funds were intended to provide for the humanitarian needs of Iraqi people such as food and medicine in the context of international economic sanctions.

  173. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:57 pm

    “land-based testing” on the subs

    ROFL

    Perhaps they will be installing the fly screens on the portholes?

    FUCKERS!

    Didn’t even allow the ASC to tender. mirabella working her magic. Japan has it, always has. Labor, should they get in, should abandon it and just give it to ASC. The millions wasted will dwarf compared to the billions of waste this decision is creating. Thousands of workers, who we have spent untold dollars on training and gaining experienced, thrown onto the scrap heap, and more technology lost to this country.

    This fucken election better move on fast, if not just to limit the damage these fucken hypocrites reap.

  174. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:01 pm

    “…………..should they get in, should abandon it and just give it to ASC”

    Yeah…………lets just tear up another contract…………………..way to go…………………………..to sovereign bankruptcy

  175. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:19 pm

    lets just tear up another contract

    One that was written in such a unethical manner deserves no less

    to sovereign bankruptcy

    ROFL. sovereign risk. sovereign risk. That’s been worn out wally, try a new tune.

    The biggest risk we have is a pm who cannot even prove if he is there legitimately.

  176. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:52 pm

    “”………..a pm who cannot even prove if he is there legitimately.”

    I believe its upto you of the Lunatic Left to prove otherwise.

    Or just shut the fuck up..

  177. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:53 pm

    Get some tips from Donald Trump why dont ya LOL

  178. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:54 pm

    “ROFL. sovereign risk. sovereign risk.”

    We will soon see a demonstration of it with any Grexit

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 2:29 pm

    ”Greece’s problems went far deeper than their borrowing. Theirs stems from years of providing tax exemptions that they could not afford.

    I’m not of Greek origin, but I do have an affinity with the country for a couple of reasons, I even went to a university in Athens for a short while (English language) and celebrated with the progressive crowd when Andreas Papandreou and PASOK defeated New Democracy in the early 80s.

    Papandreou was probably the Greek version of Gough Whitlam, fresh – progressive and reformist after the staid conservative rule (though in Greece this included plenty of military government)

    In hindsight, it was again too much too soon, and Greek debt mounted. New Democracy also couldn’t get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.

    • Public servant jobs were a sinecure – just additional income, not earned, no attendance requirement, just income that supplemented your other job
    • Taxes – optional
    • Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)

    This Modern Greek tragedy is a lesson in the importance of government restraint and a reasonable and effective tax system. They should never have talked their way into the Eurozone.

    Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 2:34 pm

    Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)

    How much do they actually cost, ToM? BTW, do you have a compressor or blow them up personally?

    They should never have talked their way into the Eurozone.

    The EU’s prime purpose was preventing wars … the economic issues are related only … and the USA is shit scared that the EU will actually get that right one day …

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 2:36 pm

    ” … the economic issues are related only … ”

    But in a major way – economic strife in Europe has caused more than one nation to go to war …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 2:36 pm

    Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.

    Well?

  183. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:02 pm

    Somewhere there is actually a lesson for Australia in this.

    Yes, don’t have a portion of the population who could/should be paying taxes get away with dodging them.

    Oh …. wait.

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:09 pm

    or lazy public servants or expenditure that isn’t closely related to revenue

  185. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:12 pm

    hmmm, people not paying taxes, or blame “lazy” public servants.

    Always go with the lazy option 😉

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:20 pm

    I identified 3 main causes.

    If you think the problems of the Greek economy relate only to its (traditional & optional) tax system, you’re not familiar with the other problems outlined –
    • public servants just using the job to supplement their income from their other job
    • expenditure being unrelated to revenue

    Or don’t you think those other factors are important?

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:34 pm

    “expenditure being unrelated to revenue”

    What is wrong with that? Don’t you understand leftist economics?

  188. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:58 pm

    “Don’t you understand leftist economics?”

    Yeah……………….Like “Short Skirt” Shorten and his recent comment about making Revenue adjust to their Expenditure Agenda

    i.e. Much higher taxes

    Though I do hope Bill keeps talking. He’s been saying plenty of stupid things lately.

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:18 pm

    I have to comment on this again. Leftists are so deceitful

    The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws

    Feed Iraqi soldiers?

    It was legal to feed Iragi soldiers. After the first Gulf War in exchange for Irag oil money this money was used to buy food and medical supplies. Lots of countries did this. WE sold wheat.

    you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator

    No sanctions were broken. It was legal to sell wheat to Iraq. What was illegal was for money to be given to the Iraqi govt. Money from oil sales was put into a pot and this money was used to buy food and medicine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme

    The Oil-for-Food Programme (OIP), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities

  190. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:22 pm

    Or don’t you think those other factors are important?

    Yes they are important. I just don’t see them as being a problem facing Australia right now.

    As the libs found out when they got in, public services are already being run on a shoestring. Our spending is of an easily financed level. It is the tax side we need to look at.

  191. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:29 pm

    “Our spending is of an easily financed level. It is the tax side we need to look at.”

    You just dont get it do you. Our demographics are changing so rapidly raising taxes wont cut the deficit by that much anyway.

    You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole

  192. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:33 pm

    Fairfax Media are proud to announce a new climate scare campaign.

    Run for your lives

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cyclone-marcia-climate-change-is-expanding-the-tropics-20150220-13kdfi.html

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:36 pm

    To anyone who thinks the Greek experience isn’t relevant to Australia’s –

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp

    A generation ago, the Greek debt was at the level that Australia’s is now and back then they considered that their debt was “manageable”. They didn’t have a policy of – expenditure is a function of revenue.

    There’s a lesson in that.

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 4:37 pm

    (select year commencing 1981)

  195. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 5:42 pm

    Over the last 20 years the number of people reaching >65 years old is 1,100 per week. Many of those are destined for the pension as many dont have sufficient super benefits. Yet TomR and his ignorant cohorts think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives. We can be sure they mean all that’s why they keep promoting the $40B of saving.

    They can only count 1 way. They never think through the wider ramifications of a policy like that which is more people not less on the pension. Everything is just the Revenue side to them.

    So TomR why was Wayne Swan so gleefully announcing Projected Budget Surplus after Surplus when you reckon it matters fuck all but he seemed to think it did matter?????????????????????

    Only one of you could have been right !

    I think I’d bet on the bloke who is still in Parliament even if he never delivered one.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-18/fastest-growing-age-group-is-65-and-over-abs-says/5164202

  196. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:00 pm

    “Our government has shown that if you are not a good little sheeple allowing them to control and dictate every aspect of your life, if you step out of line or dissent from the way they operate, you are treated as the enemy.”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………………I think that sounds like Al Qaeda and the Taliban as well

    Which makes it hillarious coming from you KL in your defence of David Hicks

    Hicks was a member of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    Not exactly female friendly or female liberationists……………………….like I said absolutely fucking hillarious defence

    Like I have said before………………………

    “Behold I give you Leftist Values in all their Hypocrisy”

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:02 pm

    If you don’t keep your side of the bargain your bankers will walk away as they should.

    yes, I agree walrus

    Also no bailouts from governments to banks, no guarantees, no more “too big to fail” protections, let them all go belly up and teach them about logical consequences of their own actions. Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.

    …And how conveniently you all forget that Chan and Sukarmaran refused to co-operate in naming their higher contacts within their crime ring.
    That did not help their cause sentence wise….

    It was due to fear wasn’t it, the big dealers had threatened the lives of their family members if they dobbed them in.

    …“But the fact remains that if you are serious about defending basic freedoms, be it free speech or due process, you end up having to defend the rights of dickheads.”..

    Yes, even dickheads have a right to justice, due process and the protection of the law [he did not break any australian laws] and he did not get that protection from the howard & co]

    But that is not why ALP/Greens support this guy. He is a hero to them for some reason.

    Yes, it is why neil, stop putting your words in other people’s mouths [yet again]

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:13 pm

    …You just dont get it do you. Our demographics are changing so rapidly raising taxes wont cut the deficit by that much anyway.
    You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole…

    You don’t get a surplus by cutting taxes, you can’t get more money by taking less revenue.

  199. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:24 pm

    “Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.”

    Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.

  200. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:27 pm

    “…you can’t get more money by taking less revenue.”

    Superannuation can be “tweaked” away from those with funds of over say $2 to $2.5M. But the vast mass of money lost via super incentives are not those people. So whenever you see figures of $30B pa thats just BS

    You must address expenditure too.

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:29 pm

    Cutting the $27 billion going to superannuation welfare-for-the-wealthy is a pretty good start for a surplus.

    We want the whole budget story, not just half:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-11/jericho-we-want-the-whole-budget-story-not-just-half/6084600

    …Except all his rhetoric is about cutting Government spending rather than noting the revenue side. Indeed he only mentioned the falling revenue in a response to questions on tax cuts. He argued that “we are still absolutely committed to doing that (cutting taxes) but, obviously, we face challenges with the budget, because we’ve had falling revenue ourselves.”

    But instead of pointing out that aspect of the problem, he again straight away turned to expenditure saying, “I ask the Labor Party and the Opposition in the Senate to help us deal with the massive growth in expenditure that was a legacy of Labor”.

    Not surprisingly with this attitude the talk about Government expenditure is the only one being heard by the party faithful…

  202. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:33 pm

    “…….the big dealers had threatened the lives of their family members if they dobbed them in.”

    So they said………………………………but considering their cocky attitude to their predicament at the time I’m not so sure if it was true or not.

    Who knows perhaps they were hoping a big wad of money would land on their Judges doorsteps to ensure a lighter sentence but it never came.

    I doubt we will ever know the real truth even as to why did the AFP give them up ?

    I get the feeling their might have been a lot more going on at the time. Those were the early years of Terrorism post 9/11 as we know it today. Everyone was trying to cooperate as best they could and not withold stuff.

  203. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:35 pm

    “Cutting the $27 billion going to superannuation welfare-for-the-wealthy is a pretty good start for a surplus.”

    Its $27B if you count people on $80K plus as wealthy.

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:45 pm

    You must address expenditure too.

    yes, but the burden should not fall unfairly on the young, the low paid workers and the welfare recipients.

    The wealthy have got where they are by plenty of government assistance.
    They should not feel that paying tax here is only optional as well, we should get more off the tax evaders and stop giving them all those rebates and incentives.

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:52 pm

    “A generation ago, the Greek debt was at the level that Australia’s is now “

    And Greece is not a Federation like we are as far as i know.

    Lefties like to quote our low Federal govt debt thanks to Costello. But what about State and local govt debt?

    Federations like Australia have Federal/State/Local govt debt. It is not fair to compare our Federal govt debt with France or Britain who are not Federations.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:07 pm

    hmmm, people not paying taxes, or blame “lazy” public servants.

    I think that’s a subliminal (or maybe not) hatred of a public servant who runs another blog … (childish I know … but he does play with blow up dolls)

    =========================

    “expenditure being unrelated to revenue”

    What is wrong with that? Don’t you understand leftist economics?

    Leftist? Why just Leftist? Noddy Newman only got into politics to feed the developers … like his hero JBP …

    Robber Barons live on the right and left side of the river … most of us float down the middle!

    ___________________________________

    Shorten and his recent comment about making Revenue adjust to their Expenditure Agenda

    i.e. Much higher taxes

    And what’s wrong with the Robber Barons and “certain” WCP Wannabes actually helping Australians that haven’t been the born with intelligence, born into money, born with special ability, born into family contacts … helping those Australians born into poverty, with intellectual disabilities, those who are sick and disabled, aged and weak, who’ve paid taxes to develop the country, and need encouragement to help develop Australia as a leader in the world …

    Charity has always begun at home …

  207. February 20, 2015 7:11 pm

    “”I think that’s a subliminal (or maybe not) hatred of a public servant who runs another blog””

    I think you mean “former” public servant.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:21 pm

    You can fiddle with Super and Neg Gearing as much as you like. It wont fill the $40B p.a. hole

    Do that AND reinstate the income tax levels before the Howard Era!

    A $40 billion hole created in two years by The Mad Abbott’s Monastery!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    expenditure is a function of revenue

    And INCOME is a function of REVENUE!

    What do you do for a living?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yet TomR and his ignorant cohorts think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives.

    Not ALL – incentives for FUCKING (multi) MILLIONAIRES! If you are so fkn rich and powerful why would you be arguing so strongly!

    Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.

    Not if the banks have to provide their own $9 billion + support fund via the RBA … with regular top ups! Just look at the banks profits …sucking the country dry!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Its $27B if you count people on $80K plus as wealthy.

    Most of us do … fuck me, what a moronic self centred statement that is! Destroys any argument you thought you had! Amazing!

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:23 pm

    …Lefties like to quote our low Federal govt debt thanks to Costello. But what about State and local govt debt?…

    Righties like to quote public debt and repeat their debt and deficit mantra, but…

    What about private debt?

    Australia’s addiction to private debt:
    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/10/australias-addiction-to-private-debt/

    …A centrepiece of the Abbott government’s economic policy platform is its strident warnings about growing public debt: Australia’s ‘budget emergency’.

    This specious claim remains unchallenged…

    …History indicates there are two major causes for increases in public debt: World Wars (1914-1918 and 1939-1945) and responses to economic recessions and depressions caused by private debt-financed speculation: the 1890s, 1930s, mid-1970s, early 1980s, early 1990s and the GFC in 2008. Therefore, the key to preventing onerous levels of public debt is to thwart the state from committing to wars, and to eliminate parasitic rentier capitalists from the private sector.

    Unsurprisingly, such advice is conspicuously absent from mainstream political and economic commentary, whom ironically advocate increased expenditures for state aggression and rentier capitalism, but simultaneously maintain steadfast in explicitly opposing increasing public debt. Consequently, cuts to social welfare are advanced to further an agenda to enlarge the military and intelligence industrial complex and further subsidise the FIRE sector.

    The Heterodox Perspective

    There is a reason why mainstream economists ignore private debt while focusing intently upon public debt. Neoclassical economic models assume markets operate in a static state of equilibrium, but these models are based on a slew of preposterous assumptions which are never met in the real world. The banking and financial system is modelled by assuming that money, debt and banks do not exist! The element of time is also removed, making it difficult for economists to understand the inter-temporal allocations of debt.

    This is like an astronomer or astrophysicist building a model of our solar system absent the sun, moon and gravity – an inadequate framework that will inevitably produce glaring mistakes…

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:25 pm

    I think people on $80k would find life a bit of struggle.

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:26 pm

    “What about private debt?

    Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt?

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:30 pm

    “I think you mean “former” public servant.”

    Oh, yeah! 😉 Dobbed in or somefink?

    Clink! BTW … about to pour WT II … the way the wever is here, I may not get another chance … listening to the news …

    … its steadily raining outside – fairly calm … but by 10 pm all hell (rain?) is about to break loose -apparently …

    … only ever seen one cyclone get this close to Brissy and that weren’t pleasant …

    … at least we have the benefit of experience … I’ve learnt when to be shit scared over the years … and also – what will be, will be … that Nature is a canny bitch … cheers …

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:33 pm

    I think people on $80k would find life a bit of struggle.

    Chuckle …

    +++++++++++++++++

    KL, Australia’s addiction to private debt: … LNP’s obsession with shifting national debt to private debt …

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt

    Have a good look at the USA! Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!

  214. February 20, 2015 7:39 pm

    “Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!”

    You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.

  215. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 7:51 pm

    If I saw any hint of political correctness on a CV I would immediately bin it.

    Does this guy would suit the criteria?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/commuter-swears-at-passengers-on-london-underground-to-discover-man-is-interviewing-him-for-a-job-10057639.html

    think its a good idea to wind back all superannuation tax incentives.

    I haven’t actually said that though, have I.

    So TomR why was Wayne Swan so gleefully announcing Projected Budget Surplus after Surplus when you reckon it matters fuck all but he seemed to think it did matter?

    Probably because I haven’t said “it matters fuck all ” and probably because I am not Wayne Swan.

    You must address expenditure too.

    And history has shown that is just what Labor were doing. Government spending was less under Labor than both it’s predecessor and successor.

  216. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:07 pm

    You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.

    1 – Switzerland
    2- Finland
    3 – Germany
    4- Sweden
    5 – Netherlands

  217. February 20, 2015 8:08 pm

    A retired couple on say an $80,000 p.a. superannuation annuity would probably consider themselves ‘comfortable’, if not ‘wealthy’. A ‘working family’ on $80,000 income, and paying off a mortgage, while feeding, clothng, and putting through school one or several children, would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.

    If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread it’s that you can’t consider revenue without putting it in the context of expenditure.

  218. February 20, 2015 8:14 pm

    “1 – Switzerland”

    Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.

    “Switzerland thus has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Army-issued_arms_and_ammunition_collection_success

    I like the idea. Thanks.

  219. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:16 pm

    would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.

    No wonder I feel like I’m pushing shit uphill 😦

    If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread

    What! Theirs 🙂 learnin’ to be had at this site? I feel a little cheated 😉

  220. February 20, 2015 8:21 pm

    “If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread”

    What I really meant was, “if there’s one thing you economic ignoramuses should learn from this thread etc”. (You know who you are.)

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:26 pm

    “A $40 billion hole created in two years by The Mad Abbott’s Monastery!”

    More lies by the deceitful TB. The hole was created by Rudd/Swan.

    By the way it was absolutely legal to sell wheat to Iraq. Hundreds of companies around the world were selling food and medicine between the first Gulf WAr and the second Gulf War.

    What was illegal was giving money to the Iraqi govt.

  222. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:29 pm

    You know who you are.

    You can just say nIl and wally if you want tosy

  223. February 20, 2015 8:30 pm

    “You can just say nIl and wally if you want tosy”

    Hmm. That’s not who I had in mind, Tom R.

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:30 pm

    “…Which country is it that is in serious economic decline because of private debt…”

    “…Have a good look at the USA! Why anyone thinks that the USA is the land to emulate astounds me!..”

    “…Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.
    “Switzerland thus has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.”…”

    Bait and switch!

    We were talking specifically about economic system. Now you’re raving about guns and national service. 🙄

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:31 pm

    You must have a better one in mind. Please share your wisdom.

    Just how old/well travelled are you?

    A ‘working family’ on $80,000 income, and paying off a mortgage, while feeding, clothng, and putting through school one or several children, would not consider themselves either comfortable or wealthy.

    Is that you? Why should they be wealthy? Only the Robber Barons (or Wally) are …

    Every male person must do national service, and, after discharge, must keep their service rifle at the ready in their home.

    And Switzerland has never been invaded … (200,000,000 on our doorstep and we can’t own automatic rifles — they can?)

    If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from this thread it’s that you can’t consider revenue without putting it in the context of expenditure.

    Whose revenue and whose expenditure … you don’t like NS and rifles but the government you obviously support enjoys fighting in other countries (I can provide proof) national service (I can provide proof) and spending HEAPS on weaponry (I can provide proof) …

    I think your priorities or understanding are questionable … is their an art thread available?

  226. February 20, 2015 8:34 pm

    “I think”

    That’s nice. 🙄

  227. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:36 pm

    Hmm. That’s not who I had in mind, Tom R

    I don’t think yomm gets involved in these sort of discussions, unless he can Unions = BAD at some stage.

    Maybe you could provide an example of this persons lack of “knowledge”?

  228. February 20, 2015 8:37 pm

    “We were talking specifically about economic system.”

    Were you? How fascinating.

  229. February 20, 2015 8:42 pm

    “Maybe you could provide an example of this persons lack of “knowledge”?”

    This person linked approvingly to some “finance writer/economics expert” who declared that the government should be borrowing as much money as possible because money will never be cheaper. Abbott is an idiot for not following this path to prosperity, apparently.

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:43 pm

    “but the government you obviously support enjoys fighting in other countries “

    It was Bob Hawke who took us to the Middle East

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_contribution_to_the_1991_Gulf_War

    Australia was a member of the international coalition which contributed military forces to the 1991 Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 8:59 pm

    So the USA Is struggling more than Greece?

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:09 pm

    The USA is getting 30,000 illegal immigrants every month from Central and South America. Actions speak louder than words.

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2015 9:27 pm

    Does anyone think maybe there’s a connection between high public debt and poor economic performance?

  234. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2015 11:22 pm

    declared that the government should be borrowing as much money as possible because money will never be cheaper.

    Well, for one, I’m pretty sure “as much money as possible” wasn’t a phrase used but, there are a few of these “idiots” about, some with some very sound cases

    And there is also the opportunity cost of going into debt now.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/feb/19/intergenerational-theft-a-coalition-favourite-that-ignores-the-long-term-benefits-of-spending

  235. February 21, 2015 8:27 am

    Abbott wanted Australia to “go it alone” and invade Iraq with 3500 troops..

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/02/21/05/54/tony-abbott-suggested-sending-australian-troops-into-iraq

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:10 am

    Just read the same story,sreb!

    PRIME Minister Tony Abbott reportedly wanted to send more than 3000 defence force personnel to Iraq to fight Islamic State.

    NEWS Corp Australia reports that Mr Abbott raised the idea of sending 3500 troops to the troubled nation in a meeting in Canberra in November last year, saying the action would help stop IS in the north of the country.

    Mr Abbott is said to have taken to the idea to military officials, who told him it would be disastrous for the troops.

    It would have made Australia the only nation with troops on the ground in Iraq.
    Authorities have said about 90 Australians have gone to the Middle East to fight, including in Iraq and Syria, the latest of whom is reportedly a 23-year-old university student from Perth.

    I am convinced that this man is an incompetent buffoon … and he MUST go … he will get someone killed … for no other reason than his massive ego …

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:22 am

    Just checked this too …

    To understand the magnitude of the problem on a global level, and not just on the Syrian and regional fronts, we must be aware of just how significant the CIA’s estimation was on the number of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters.

    Less than two years ago, the CIA estimated their number at just a few hundreds, and a few months ago it estimated their number at 10,000.

    However, this week it admitted that ISIS forces have in a short period of time tripled to 30,000. Many governments across the world have also confirmed that many of their Muslim citizens have joined the group.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2014/09/13/ISIS-has-grown-larger-than-Kuwait-s-army-.html

    Even if you halved that … 15,000 (due to lack of training? etc – plenty of “leadership”!) … that’s just over 4:1 odds … and an extremely long supply line back to Oz! Add the local “supporters” and the ADF members would have been decimated!

    This is primarily a Sunni – Shi’a civil war! We should let the Muslim nations take care of their own shit.

    Wonder if The Mad Abbott has ever heard of Sun Tzu?

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:29 am

    Meanwhile, Campbell Newman has labelled the cyclone as the “first major stuff-up” of the new Labor Government. Speaking to his wife in the kitchen, he claimed “the cyclone wouldn’t have happened under my administration”.

    😆

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:32 am

    Here’s the rest of the article above … very tongue in cheek for news.com.au

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/cyclone-reporter-not-convinced-outside-cross-completely-necessary/story-fnki1jcy-1227232591603

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:46 am

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 11:39 am

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 11:42 am

    That story about Abbott wishing to send 3500 troops to Iraq is the main story in The Australian!

    All Murdoch ever does is report stories with a positive spin to give Abbott an easy political run.

    It’s a disgrace!

    Murdoch is also saying Credlin really runs the place. He’s only saying that so that people won’t be as worried about the perception that Abbott might be in control. Yet another boost for Abbott.

    It’s another disgrace!

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 11:43 am

    Restricted … KL … 😉

  244. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2015 12:54 pm

    I do note that Michael Pascoe uses a phrase very similar to “as much money as possible”, but with caveats.

    If a government really wants to plan for the future, limit tax pain later while continuing to provide our desired level of a social safety net, it needs to invest in Australia’s productivity now.

    Commonwealth 10-year bonds are trading with a yield of 2.5 per cent. Right now, the government could borrow as much as it can dream of for very little, invest it in infrastructure development with a double-digit rate of return, improve the nation’s productivity, overcome some of the shorter-term challenges of our structural adjustment, reduce unemployment, end its over-reliance on monetary policy and restore some of the inter-generational balance that has been lost by public sector investment falling to its lowest level in generations.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/scary-joe-hockey-has-cried-wolf-too-often-20150220-13ker7.html#ixzz3SJt09Nsg

  245. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2015 12:56 pm

    PR Teenager @SharriMarkson makes it clear her loyalties are with Murdoch as she cuts free Abbott & Credlin.

    Yep. yabots days are numbered, when your benefactor cuts you loose like that, it just shows there is no support for him anywhere.

    And, it doesn’t look like he will go quietly.

    There was a time when I would have been glad of that, but the damage he can still inflict with his buffoonery makes me wish for a quick, clean and quiet exit. Too much damage has already been done.

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 1:16 pm

    “Too much damage has already been done.”

    My thoughts exactly, TR … The Mad Monk Is far more dangerous to Australia than I think we realised …

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 1:28 pm

    Really, has Murdoch moved into supporting that catholic private school bully (Shorten)?

  248. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2015 1:50 pm

    has Murdoch moved into supporting that catholic private school bully

    Wrong catholic private school I think yomm. Use the noggin and see if you can work it out 😉

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 1:55 pm

    Xavier College doesn’t qualify for producing private school bullies?

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2015 2:21 pm

    “Too much damage has already been done.”

    Too funny. An ALP/Greens supporter caring about damage.

    The damage was done by Rudd/Gillard. Abbot is trying to clean up the damage.

  251. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2015 2:29 pm

    Xavier College doesn’t qualify for producing private school bullies?

    I’m sure it is quite capable of it. I just think that in this case, going on recent articles, murdochs “chosen one” graduated from elsewhere.

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2015 2:38 pm

    Damage?

    Local car manufacturing went from 25% of the market to less than 10% in just 6 years under Rudd/Gillard.

    Govt debt went from zero to 10% of GDP in no time flat under Rudd/Gillard

    Our borders were trashed under Rudd/Gillard allowing anybody with $10,000 to get in denying poor refugees in UNHCR camps a place in Australia.

    $12B was spent housing 50,000 boat people when there were only 6 boat people in detention in 2007 costing almost nothing.

    Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard throwing hundreds of thousands of people out of work

    ALP policies do not work. Never have never will.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 3:34 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-wanted-adf-ground-troops-in-iraq/story-e6frfku9-1227233304708

    False apparently?

    Problem is its the sort of crap The Mad Abbott comes up with no-one knows what is or isn’t anymore!

    I suppose shit happens … hey?

  254. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2015 4:01 pm

    When the lolstralian starts printing he said/she said shit that only puts someone in a bad light, you can be certain regime change is on their mind.

    I’m just not sure the libs are ready for their chosen messiah, or if she even wants the gig herself.

    And stories like this are just another reason why murdoch needs to be ignored. It does no one any help to have unattributed “sauces” speaking shit (or not)

    If you have something as explosive as this to say, put a name to it, else it is just made up in my opinion.

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 4:36 pm

    the Oz is standing by its story – apparently, sauce or no sauce … 😯

  256. February 21, 2015 4:56 pm

    ”””””””””Greek debt mounted. New Democracy also couldn’t get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.

    – Public servant jobs were a sinecure – just additional income, not earned, no attendance requirement, just income that supplemented your other job

    – Taxes – optional

    – Spending unrelated to revenue (a little like Fifi & Lulu)

    This Modern Greek tragedy is a lesson in the importance of government restraint and a reasonable and effective tax system””””””

    #yep, the corporate `deep-throater` is chasing all the `non-root-causes` yet again. yeah sure the `pigs` are basket-cases economically and `refuse-to/can`t-collect` tax-revenue.

    #what l notice, is teh-usa and Aust are no better, these tax-systems refuse to make the financial-whales pay a fair percentage, while continuing to try a bleed financial sardines dry(gst-for-example).

    #the `root-cause` of most nations financial woes is refusing to have a fair and equatable and policable tax revenue system. When they don`t, and allow the whales off the hook, you really can`t blame sardines for being crooked too.

  257. February 21, 2015 5:20 pm

    ””””””””Over the last 20 years the number of people reaching >65 years old is 1,100 per week. Many of those are destined for the pension(#Bubble1) as many don`t have sufficient super benefits””””””””’

    #Bubble2 and higher demand on universal-health/medicare

    #bubble3 skills shortage in various industry`s, as they retired

    #bubble4 change/drop in tax revenue possible

    #keating, as much as l hate his guts, DID identify the 4-bubbles above, would be coming thru the system, and the john-w regime ignored them, opposed them and denied them #teabags

  258. February 21, 2015 5:36 pm

    “invest it in infrastructure development with a double-digit rate of return”

    I note that none of Peter Martin, Greg Jericho, or Michael Pascoe can actually name one of these elusive double-digit projects. But that’s just me being pedantic about facts.

  259. February 21, 2015 5:38 pm

    Fantastic interview… with Greek finance minister..

    http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/01/29/talking-to-phillip-adams-on-the-abcs-lnl/

    ALP policies do not work. Never have never will.

    Imbecile 🙄

  260. February 21, 2015 5:46 pm

    ””””’Let the capitalist financial system stand alone without taxpayer support.”””””

    ”””””’Yes but that means the depoistors also lose their money or a large whack of it.”””””

    #no, that would mean scrapping the `limited-liability` fraud perpetuated against consumers, and allow them to pursue shareholders, boardrooms and high-paid upper management for their negligence/criminal-activity against consumers, and financial-fraud as the cba has recently done against its own customers, also should lose-out under `proceeds-of-crime` provisions.

  261. February 21, 2015 5:47 pm

    More Pascoe: “The excessive tax-haven aspects of superannuation have to be capped”

    Erm, as I keep pointing out, they are capped. Economics experts? GMAFB.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/scary-joe-hockey-has-cried-wolf-too-often-20150220-13ker7.html#ixzz3SMM86shG

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 5:47 pm

    The politburo is in a race against time. Operation ‘save my arse’ is in full swing. There will be no person of ethnic background left untrolled for a security/media alert. We must save tony australia.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/21/tony-abbott-hints-at-crackdown-on-welfare-abuse-by-terrorist-suspects

    …The prime minister, Tony Abbott, has foreshadowed a crackdown on abuse of welfare by suspected supporters of terrorist groups…

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:06 pm

    Inside SA senator Cory Bernardi’s business web:

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/02/21/inside-sa-senator-cory-bernardis-business-web/14244372001523#.VOgr6nzQqSp

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:17 pm

    Tony Abbott’s foul-mouthed fury at whip Philip Ruddock:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/02/21/tony-abbotts-foul-mouthed-fury-whip-philip-ruddock/14244372001513#.VOguyXzQqSo

    …Some months ago there was an ugly confrontation between Ruddock, parliament’s longest-serving member, and the PM. It ended in acrimony, with a prime ministerial “get fucked” adding colour. The topic was the long-time politician’s post-parliament job prospects. Abbott shocked his interlocutor by giving him rude short shrift…

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:27 pm

  266. February 21, 2015 6:33 pm

    Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:35 pm

    Rupert has turned on Tony!

    Just like he turned on Julia and Kev!! It’s all evidence that Rupert HATES the ALP and everything they stand for!! He’d do anything to help the Libs

  268. February 21, 2015 6:37 pm

    *troops

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:38 pm

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:45 pm

    …Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?…

    They didn’t. Because abbott’s brilliant brainfart was knocked on the head quick smart when it was run by defence.

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 6:46 pm

  272. February 21, 2015 6:49 pm

    ””””””’Speaking under parliamentary privilege, Bernardi admitted to having “produced, sold and promoted both free and expensive investment education products” throughout his career. As a part of its investigation,

    The Saturday Paper

    has learned that these products were offered on websites owned by Bernardi’s former finance company Dallancorp””””””””

    #l also noticed teabag michael kroger recently cashed-in big-time from the `child-care` kroger owns/associated-with.

    #Personally armchair, l think all this cashing-in that goes on really just shows how they are only interested in trough-snouting, and how they don`t actually work for us on `any` level.

    #lt also shows how `our` accountants and corporate-fluffers can`t actually identify `corrupt` behaviour. A waitress getting double-time 35-bucks an hour for actually working for her boss is a fcuking `disaster`, while pollies meant to be working for us, minimum 3500-bucks a week, and really are just running `their-own` business still.

  273. February 21, 2015 6:51 pm

    “They didn’t. Because abbott’s brilliant brainfart was knocked on the head quick smart when it was run by defence.”

    Oh. So he sought advice, and took it?

    Sounds, sort of, un-captainlike.

  274. February 21, 2015 7:03 pm

    ””””””””The Liberal leader promoted second-term Queensland Liberal National Party member Scott Buchholz to the job. It has a 30 per cent loading on a backbencher’s pay. A nice little earner”””””””””””

    #`loading`fun fact, from 3500/week, TO 4500/week

    #where is `our` corporate-fluffers and accountants `loading` bleating on this one, they don`t have to `travel` else-where, no added risk, no more inconvenient hours, just WTF is this `loading` for #teabags

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:11 pm

    Apparently when I say – “taxes – optional”, that means something other than some people and companies not paying their share of taxes. Apparently.

    #f**kwits

  276. February 21, 2015 7:12 pm

    bongo””””””””””””’Consider these facts as a pulse check for the right of Australian politics. The South Australian Liberals lose an “unlosable” election against a stale third-term government. The Victorian Liberals have two leaders in their first term and fail to hold government. Queensland sees a historic wipeout of a first-term whopping majority government, its premier the most prominent loser. In the Northern Territory, two or three chief ministers in the space of two years. The New South Wales Liberals seem to be travelling better, though they too have seen a first-term premier off the job. It is surely more than a coincidence. Much and all as the Abbott conservatives might hate to admit it, Turnbull was close to the mark with his TV observations. Slogans and dumbing down were patronising and ineffective. The fate of political parties in Australia is decided in “the sensible centre”.

    In recent weeks we have seen some spectacular leaks coming out of the cabinet and Coalition party room – a sure sign of deep-seated dysfunction.””””””””””””

    #well, it does seem in recent times bongo has fallen off the tea-trolley, considering bongo normally used to ride the tea-trolley with enthusiasm on meet-teh-press. l wonder what has made him change his tune, and resorted to stop team-cheering the teabags.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:15 pm

    Erm, as I keep pointing out, they are capped.

    Recapped or kneecapped … your choice … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tony Abbott, has foreshadowed a crackdown on abuse of welfare by suspected supporters of terrorist groups…

    I suppose to The Mad Abbott that’s anyone who’s not on Team Australia … is it still alive?

    …Some months ago there was an ugly confrontation between Ruddock, parliament’s longest-serving member, and the PM. It ended in acrimony, with a prime ministerial “get fucked” adding colour. The topic was the long-time politician’s post-parliament job prospects. Abbott shocked his interlocutor by giving him rude short shrift…

    I’m sure that will be refuted by The Mad Abbott, The Hockey Stick and That C+++t Cormann …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wait. Tony Abbott made a captain’s pick and sent 3,500 trops to invade Iraq? How is it we sheeple only find out now? And how did they go?

    Your a fkn goat … ToSY … no (trops – yeah saw the correction) military personnel (ie PEOPLE) were sent … just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott … do keep up …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s all evidence that Rupert HATES the ALP and everything they stand for!!

    Now you – are being a sheeple … you can’t figure that Murdoch just wants to control Australian politics – preferably with an LNP PM … I would have thought with all your uni education and consultant’s experience you could have figured that out? And that time to think and analyse while waiting for the big one … (wave or shark) …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh. So he sought advice, and took it?

    Sounds, sort of, un-captainlike.

    Passive defence again … ToSY ? Chuckle …

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:19 pm

    Your a fkn goat …

    You’re…

  279. February 21, 2015 7:19 pm

    guardian””””””””””’appear to be Man Haron Monis, the Iranian-born asylum seeker and gunman in the Sydney Martin Place siege””””

    #l notice teabag-media love referring to this event, tho they all miss the obvious question to report on.

    #Did 15 years of fed.govt `free-hate-speech` push this nutter over the edge.?

  280. February 21, 2015 7:22 pm

    “just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott ”

    An idea? How dare he?

  281. February 21, 2015 7:25 pm

    “Your a fkn goat …”

    “You’re…”

    He’ll get it, eventually. He was in training, don’t you know?

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:26 pm

    Apparently when I say – “taxes – optional”, that means something other than some people and companies not paying their share of taxes. Apparently.

    #f**kwits

    And you talk about tbagz? WTF are you rambling about, ToM?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ’Consider these facts as a pulse check for the right of Australian politics.

    Just demonstrates that The Westminster System is just that a fkn sytem to rip off the plebs by the wannabe (and real) Robber Barons …

    My (our) problem is how do you stop the bastards! The only people who can change it is the plebs … but the switcheroo at each election isn’t working and never will …

    And no-one will pick up a pitchfork in the 21st Century … JWH was very canny after the Port Arthur Massacre … and some of us are still wondering how one person could have done what Bryant did in so short a time and to so many victims (and the accuracy of the shots) …

  283. February 21, 2015 7:28 pm

    “… and some of us are still wondering how one person could have done what Bryant did in so short a time and to so many victims (and the accuracy of the shots) …

    When all else fails, go the conspiracy theory! You really are losing it (have lost it) TB Queensland.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:34 pm

    just a mad idea by The Mad Abbott ”

    An idea? How dare he?

    Yer being silly again, ToSY … I wrote … a MAD idea …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL!

    Your a fkn goat …

    You’re…

    Best ya got, ToM?

    He’ll get it, eventually. He was in training, don’t you know?

    Best ya got ToSY?

    Sad lads …

    I can just see the emails – we’ve got ‘im on the typo! Check the typo! Win! Well done, bro!

    Pathetic Pair …

  285. February 21, 2015 7:38 pm

    “I can just see the emails – we’ve got ‘im on the typo! Check the typo! Win! Well done, bro!”

    How pathetic. This is not Miglo and Min you’re talking about. I don’t do back-channel emails. You really do need to take a good hard look at yourself.

  286. February 21, 2015 7:47 pm

    #under the heading

    ”””’couldn’t get off the increased spending treadmill, it just sped up.”””

    #then a dot point

    ””’+ Taxes – optional””””’

    #your heading verses your dot-point

    #really just shows ya`don`t know know the importance/priorities,

    #without the `revenue`, ya`can`t fund improvements #wrong.prioriy

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:47 pm

    When all else fails, go the conspiracy theory! You really are losing it (have lost it) TB Queensland.

    You’re (!) beginning to sound as desperate as, Kneel, ToSY …

    Ever fired a weapon? Ever been to Port Arthur? Know how many rounds there are in the weapons Bryant supposedly used? Know how accurate they are? Know what training and skills Bryant had? Know how people react to gunshots? Can you distinguish a gunshot?

    Sure, it’s a theory but based upon experience and discussions with more experienced people than me … ?

    … when all else fails – WTF failed?

    The Westminster System? Are you happy with the way it works?

    BTW, unless you are American (wouldn’t surprise me ) … it’s

    … go TO the conspiracy theory!

    If YOU’RE going to play my comments with the grammar card … get your own corrected before you post …

    He was in training, don’t you know?

    I left this alone before … but if you want to play silly buggers … happy to oblige! Always your choice …

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:52 pm

    How pathetic. This is not Miglo and Min you’re talking about

    You’ve gotta be joking … not even an original reply – pathetic …

    You really do need to take a good hard look at yourself.

    Me? You questioned my fkn grammar … and everyone here makes typos or spelling mistakes … you made the “he’s in training” dig … if you want play time wasting Fuckwit again – happy to oblige!

  289. February 21, 2015 7:54 pm

    “I left this alone before … but if you want to play silly buggers … happy to oblige! Always your choice …”

    Gee, scary!

    Give me your (you’re) best shot. It can’t kill me, can it?

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2015 7:56 pm

    #whinging
    #f**kwit

  291. February 21, 2015 7:57 pm

    ” The greatest mass killings of all time were committed by atheist socialists last century.”

    And suggesting that atheism was a major impetus behind any of it is spurious in the extreme. 🙄

  292. February 21, 2015 7:57 pm

    BTW, who’s (whose) selling the popcorn these days?

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2015 8:48 pm

    There does seem to be a move on to remove Abbott. One conspiracy theory is that overseas powers want him removed before this conference takes place

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference

    Abbott will be less likely to sign away our rights whereas Turnbull will sign.

  294. February 21, 2015 8:57 pm

    this”””””””””’Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dismissed as “fanciful” and “fictitious” reports he raised the prospect of sending 3500 Australian troops to Iraq to fight IS in a unilateral action.””””””

    verses-that””””””””The newspaper says Mr Abbott initially put forward the idea to members of his staff, including chief of staff Peta Credlin, during a meeting in Canberra on November 25 where there was no opposition to the plan.””””””””’

    #LOL, of course mr-rabbit is imbecile enough to pursue tewwa-fetishes

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 8:59 pm

    Being a politician in this country is a license for insider trading with impunity. Worse when you create the legislation that your business mates want done and your family very handily buys into it (pollies wives do an awful lot of investing).
    It’s a giant trough in which the elites have got their snouts stuck deep.
    Arty sinodinos got caught out but most of them don’t. Kroger will do well when abbott makes his new child care policy. It’s a world of back scratching and favours for mates, all paid for by the mug taxpayers though.

  296. February 21, 2015 9:33 pm

    #Tinfoil`osy has raised `swiss-riflemen` with TB. l wonder if Tinfoil`osy is inferring that having a country with many marksmen and rifles in it, the swiss probably don`t suffer the impoverished, intellectually dishonest blather that canberra perpetuates which passes as `community-discussion`. Could swiss politicians be behaving better, because `grassy-knoll` moments could result.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2015 11:08 pm

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2015 11:21 pm

    Yep there is certainly a move to get rid of Abbott whether it is good for Australia or not.

  299. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2015 10:09 am

    I note that none of Peter Martin, Greg Jericho, or Michael Pascoe can actually name one of these elusive double-digit projects.

    Does this mean that you accept that the theory they are positing has some level of credence?

    Not that selecting the projects lies within the realm of their expertise (they are there to float possibilities, the bean counters on the front line are best suited to what, if any, projects suit) Peter Martin at least still gets pretty close without being specific. And they all come with caveats.

    If we are prepared to grasp it, there’s no shortage of projects that would set us up for decades to come. In education, in health, in the delivery to railway lines into suburbs that are at present barely accessible – in all of these areas there are projects whose benefits would exceed their costs and exceed them by more than enough to pay the minimal rate of interest being demanded.

    Some are visionary. Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist Saul Eslake says if Australia was to get serious about reducing its dependence on coal it would consider paying coal producers to close, and speeding up the commercialisation of battery technologies that would allow Australians with the next wave of solar panels to live off the grid.

    The risk is that bad projects would be chosen over good ones and the money wasted. Abbott himself provides reason for concern.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/low-10year-bond-rates-are-the-deal-of-the-century-but-abbotts-not-at-the-table-20150120-12tq4j.html

  300. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2015 10:12 am

    Just like he turned on Julia and Kev!

    Well, to be honest, he never ‘turned’ on Julia. He was out to get her from day one.

    WTF are you rambling about, ToM?

    Yea, spill the beans yomm. between you and bagz, Meta’s comments are comparatively comprehensible. And they have the added bonus of being worth the time to decipher.

    Abbott will be less likely to sign away our rights whereas Turnbull will sign.

    Heard of a little thing called “Trans Pacific Partnerships that this current mob are itching to get into? And this is from the mob who harp on about “sovereignty”. Yet they are the ones looking to bring in the biggest threat to it of all.

  301. February 22, 2015 10:45 am

    “Does this mean that you accept that the theory they are positing has some level of credence?”

    No.

    The government already has on issue around $350,000,000,000 (350 thousand million dollars!) in Commonwealth Government Securities*, just meet the governments current obligations, and they’ll need to issue more as big spending programs kick in and revenue falls. That is, just to “run” the country.

    To say that the government should now dream up infrastructure projects and pay for them by issuing even more securities – just because interest rates are low – is moronic. One of them, at least, acknowledges for such projects to be considered they should have a double-digit rate of return. None of your triumverate of economic fuckwits can name a single double-digit project, let alone one with any positive rate of return.

    *Note: “This is not the same as Commonwealth general government gross debt, as published in the Budget Papers, which includes other liabilities including those not managed by the AOFM.”

  302. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2015 10:51 am

    To say that the government should now dream up infrastructure projects

    Someone should tell the “Infrastructure PM”

  303. February 22, 2015 12:28 pm

    Budget projections are that there will be $470 billion of Commonwealth Government Securities on issue by financial year 2017-18. That’s without trying, and, if I recall correctly, the debt ceiling is now $500 billion.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2014-15/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst7.htm

  304. February 22, 2015 1:30 pm

    So there ya go folks Nis finally admits he supports Abbott…. and its all climate change conspirators fault that he is white anted, not is obvious incompetency..

    FFS this imbecile draws a strong case for euthanasia of intellectually feeble corrupted sheeple 🙄

  305. February 22, 2015 2:54 pm

  306. February 22, 2015 3:08 pm

    team-cheerer””””””””’spill the beans yomm. between you and bagz, Meta’s comments are comparatively comprehensible””””””””’

    # l would suggest your `comprehension` is more effected by the `prism` you view topics thru as a team-cheerer, than any fault of mine, yomms or metas, as we didn`t tell you to join team-kevin07, team-joolya, team-nanny-roxon, team-kevin13, team-blib. And let`s face it. lt must be very tiring joining all those teams!

  307. February 22, 2015 4:50 pm

    December 4, 2013

    Joe Hockey cuts deal with Greens to scrap debt ceiling

    Mr Hockey has just written to the Leader of the Federal Greens, Christine Milne, setting out the details of the agreement.

    We have agreed to repeal the current legislative limit on the total face value of stock and securities on issue set out in the Commonwealth Inscribed Stock Act 1911

    http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/12/04/1226775/309859-aus-news-file-hockey-letter.pdf

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 5:02 pm

    The reason that The Mad Abbott’s government is STILL on the nose in the electorate …

    The dodging and weaving and wheedling and fogging … and still they don’t get that they are targeting the wrong end of town …

    NEWS Corp says the government’s budget razor gang shelved a secret plan to get millionaires off the aged pension in favour of slashing the indexation of payments for every pensioner in Australia …

    It says the expenditure review committee was asked to consider slashing pension payments to wealthy seniors last year by changing the taper rate, the preferred option of former Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews.Mr Morrison said on Sunday he was not on the ERC at the time but there would have been a discussion about a range of options …

    “The great revelation here is the government decided not to do something,” he told ABC television.

    “I think that is a bit of a beat-up about something that happened over a year ago.” …

    … Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce said if it had been based on the CPI in recent years rather than average weekly earnings people would have been ahead.

    “We acknowledge we have to make hard decisions to turn the finances of the nation around,” he told ABC television.

    “If we don’t, we won’t have to worry whether it is the CPI because we won’t have the money, we won’t be able to borrow the money to pay for the pensions.”

    Labor leader Bill Shorten told News Corp that Mr Abbott had “lied to pensioners before the election”.

    “Now every single pensioner has to pay the price for that lie.”

    Barnaby Joyce needs someone to take him ’round the back of the local pub (wherever he now lives) and explain the facts of life to him …

    (My bold)

    And if you really need to see where the national dough is going …

    $15 billion – F35 program (cannot fly combat)

    $8.8 billion RBA “top up” (to support commercial banks)

    $8 billion – ASLAV light armoured vehicles

    $20 billion – submarines

    $51.8 billion

    Added to the budget in the last 18 months …

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 5:08 pm

    Well there’s an odd coincidence …

    From TWA’s link … above

    The deal requires the government to table debt statements in Parliament within three sitting days of the debt increasing by $50 billion. It also requires the government to set out the reasons why the debt has increased by $50 billion.

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2015 6:06 pm

    “Added to the budget in the last 18 months

    NO. Most of those things were not added to the budget. They were always going to be in the budget.

    We have an airforce of 70 F/A 18’s. These were always going to be replaced by 70 F-35’s.

    The Collins class submarines were always going to be replaced.

    Lots of other Navy stuff in the pipeline.

    And we will not pay for the F-35’s until they arrive in 2020.

    Unless you are arguing we should not have a military your points make no sense.

  311. February 22, 2015 7:00 pm

    Neil of Sydney…dumb as dogshit, whereby said dog is defecating pure quick-dry cement…

  312. February 22, 2015 7:05 pm

    “Ever fired a weapon? Ever been to Port Arthur? Know how many rounds there are in the weapons Bryant supposedly used? Know how accurate they are? Know what training and skills Bryant had? Know how people react to gunshots? Can you distinguish a gunshot?”

    I can answer yes to all of those questions, TB, and I still think the conspiracy theory is utter crap (sorry).

    Have you read much about Bryant’s childhood? his mental state? his pre-massacre red flags?

    Most of those head shots were in the Broad Arrow Café…point blank.

    Gun control…one of the only morally justifiable things John Winston Howard ever did.

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 7:12 pm

    So, The Mad Abbott wants to make Australian’s life a fkn misery (not knowing what is being recorded and what’s not – by whom, for what, when, why!

    MARTIN Place terrorist Man Haron Monis slipped through the net of security agencies, who believed he fell outside the top 400 counter terror investigations despite 18 calls to the national security hotline in the days leading to the Lindt cafe siege.

    A report into how he gained entry to Australia, won bail on offences associated with the murder of his ex wife and claimed welfare found he was just one of thousands of people who are potential threats to national security.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/sydney-siege-report-finds-man-haron-monis-was-not-treated-as-a-top-terrorism-priority/story-fnii5s3x-1227234175861

    The current laws are ADEQUATE … just use them smarter! Giving more legislative powers to spy on ordinary people could be a disaster … we’ve already seen how incompetent our police and security services are with the laws we already have …

    If the Mad Abbott’s Monastery gets it’s way … this time next year – I could be arrested for making this and the comments above …

    Liberal government’s love control – in 1970 I was forced to swear allegiance to the Queen … not Australia … as a Republican in 1970 I found that to be distasteful to say the least (had I said no, I could have gone to jail … what use is a swearing under duress?

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 7:14 pm

    “Liberal government’s love control ” Liberal governments love control … Pathetic Pair …

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 7:19 pm

    I can answer yes to all of those questions, TB, and I still think the conspiracy theory is utter crap (sorry).

    No probs, Toillete, I did say it was conspiracy theory … but as you’ve probably guessed I’ve listened/talked to many a soldier … and its the accuracy and the time frame that makes many think it was a two person operation …

    The café is relatively small and people would have been stunned I agree but the accuracy of the wounds is very high even at such close range …

    Gun control…one of the only morally justifiable things John Winston Howard ever did.

    Do you think guns are under control? Really …?

  316. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2015 7:21 pm

    # l would suggest your `comprehension` is more effected by the inability of certain individuals to string a comprehensible sentence together. It’s got nothing to do with #teamcheerinorbaggen, just the simplicity of the English language.

    It appears that even that is too much of a #team for you to cope with.

    found he was just one of thousands of people who are potential threats to national security.

    I can see the “herd” getting thinned from centerlink as we speak. Bloggers need not apply.

    I could be arrested for making this and the comments above

    Well, teabagz and yomm will b safe, their incomprehensions are still undecipherable, even by the Turin machines available in today’s market.

    It also requires the government to set out the reasons why the debt has increased by $50 billion.

    What’s the bet they’ll be “incrementing” it by $45 billion stages (not that theirs anything (or not too much) wrong with that)

    Better perhaps that we have no debt, and just a bagful of unemployed bludgers I guess.

  317. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2015 7:22 pm

    Picking Winners

    Picking Losers

  318. February 22, 2015 7:26 pm

    NO. Most of those things were not added to the budget. They were always going to be in the budget.

    Wot like
    *Changes to pensions
    *cuts to the CSIRO ABC and SBS
    * Medicare Co payment
    * Deregulation of the University sector
    *De funding of major charities
    and destruction of the clean energy sector?

    yeah right so many people would have voted for that.because it was all disclosed in that pamphlet…When was the last time Abbott used the word mandate you fuckin imbecile..

    For a dropkick with no grasp of the most fundamentals of economics you seem to harp on about prudent economics with no fuckin idea what it means.or how to ideify it uless its a team fiberal slogan chant

  319. February 22, 2015 7:33 pm

    “Do you think guns are under control? Really …?”

    Compared to a society where every citizen with a dose of paranoia or Teaxasitis can strap one on, or collect military grade automatic weapons at home…? Yes, absolutely I think guns are ‘under control’ here.

    You can never stop the black market. That’s completely different from the proliferation which would occur if we could all go out and compile an unnecessary arsenal legally, imo.

    The example of Sweden above is bogus, with relation to Australia at least. Sweden is a part of a continent which has been ravaged by conflict, on & off, for centuries. We are not Europe.

    There is no justifiable reason whereby Australian citizens require automatic rifles, automatic shotguns, pistols etc…for anything other than *sanctioned & controlled) sport or recreation (and I’m not big on killing wildlife for ‘sport’ either, fwiw).

  320. February 22, 2015 7:34 pm

    ideify it uless identify it unless

    better correct myself before Tom does 🙂
    We all charged up for Tony’s teworrist chanty tubthump tomorrow… Churchillian light

  321. February 22, 2015 7:35 pm

    “The current laws are ADEQUATE … just use them smarter! Giving more legislative powers to spy on ordinary people could be a disaster … we’ve already seen how incompetent our police and security services are with the laws we already have … ”

    Indeed!

    Imagine more draconian privacy invasion ‘at the discretion’ of political animals. A recipe for freedom degradation & exploitation…not ensurance of safety.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 8:18 pm

    Imagine more draconian privacy invasion ‘at the discretion’ of political animals.

    Don’t be silly, Toilwet! It’s the left wing Communists that want control us! (Communally called the ALP by the TORIES)

    And that brings us back to gun control (sort of) – BTW its Switzerland not Sweden – just be a Pathetic Triplet) … it’s not quite the same … just a lame joke …

    Australians are more like the Swiss or Canadians than the Yanks (who really are paranoid) …

    … and that’s because of the capitalist system they live under – no one is supported except those who actually live the American Dream – ie rich and/or famous … YOU CAN DO IT TO!

    It’s a silly as Communism … one system fits all …

    … and what mystifies me is a Royalist Liberal Party wants to emulate a Republican (not politically – well you know what I mean – not a Monarchial) Septic Tank society …

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 8:20 pm

    Apologise for typos … third glass of wine … whooo hoo!

    BTW … second episode of Fortitude on tonight … very unusual murder mystery … but worth watching … do a CatchUp …

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2015 8:23 pm

    Sorry do an iView … ABC …

    Why Fuckwits want to close it down is beyond me … apart from no ads … but then Fuckwit LNPs can’t work a Topfield let alone spell Topfield …

  325. February 22, 2015 8:30 pm

    ” I did say it was conspiracy theory”

    No, you didn’t.

  326. February 22, 2015 8:32 pm

    “From TWA’s link”

    I think you’ll find Team Wrong Again is that cunt Nature 5.

  327. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2015 8:45 pm

    “Neil of Sydney…dumb as dogshit, whereby said dog is defecating pure quick-dry cement…

    Why?

    Our 70 F/A 18’s were always going to be replaced by 70 F35’s.

    Our Collins Class subs are getting old and will be replaced.

    Military equipment has a use by date and gets replaced by a newer version.

    Unless we do not have a military F35’s, Subs and lots of other stuff will always be in the budget.

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 12:32 am

    #Coin for Abbott: Indonesians’ angry backlash at PM’s Bali nine diplomacy:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coin-for-abbott-indonesians-angry-backlash-at-pms-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150222-13l5n2.html

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 12:53 am

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:23 am

    The above is a big puff piece on credlin. Is it damage control?

  331. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:06 am

    attacks leaking Liberals, without naming anyone

    Oh, the irony. Reap what you have sown, kingmakers.

    Is it damage control?

    Without reading it, which I hopefully won’t (willpower, hold back) who cares. murdoch has publicly stated his wish, to date, yabot has defied him, and we have seen the result of that, anonymous leaks and attack stories, murdochs filth against all who defy.

    I get the sense that yabots attachment to credlin might even be stronger than his attachment to murdoch. Who knows what skeletons lurk?

    I really didn’t envision the libs imploding like this, and I really didn’t think I’d ever see the day when yabot would bite the hand that feeds. Does he really think he got the keys to the Lodge off his own back?

  332. February 23, 2015 8:38 am

    I see John Lyons is standing by the The Oz story about Abbott wanting to send 3500 ground troops to Iraq.

    And the Abbott Govt over the weekend is now using weasel words to reject the claim saying “no formal request” had been made.

  333. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:39 am

    That’s an interesting reference to the coins for Abbott AO.

    All those photos of the Rp1000 coins!! They’ll only need 10,000,000,000 of those coins before they can expunge any sense of obligation for the money Abbott referred to.

  334. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:47 am

    before they can expunge any sense of obligation

    That reference alone highlights the sense of “entitlement” that some people think we “deserve” for giving “aid”

    It should also highlight how any future “aid” we might give could be interpreted perhaps as a “bribe” rather than “aid”

    Everything yabot touches, sours.

  335. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:50 am

    now using weasel words to reject the claim

    Well, to be honest, weasel claims only deserve weasel replies.

    If they have something to say, tell us who is saying it, else, it is just more sauce for the mill.

    While I dislike yabot and his ilk, I dislike gutter churnalism and media barons trying/succeeding in controlling our Parliament through weasel columns.

    Yellow Journalism is back with a vengeance

  336. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:53 am

    Another missed opportunity when Labor were in power to wind back a clear rort into the CES. Sure, it was cumbersome and top heavy, but, that is the nature of oversight.

    The Federal Government has clawed back more than $41 million worth of false claims by private employment agencies in just the past three years.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/government-recovers-millions-after-rorting-of-jobs-scheme/6193022

    Some things should be left to Government. The proof is in the rorting.

    Exactly the same thing happened with Childcare.

  337. February 23, 2015 8:54 am

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:06 am

    ’That reference alone highlights the sense of “entitlement” that some people think we “deserve” for giving “aid”

    Do you really think any country gives aid out of pure altruism? Aid is provided-
    • because it makes us feel good,
    • to ingratiate ourselves with the aid recipient and
    • to provide some leverage

    Abbott may be very clumsy and gauche but accepting (and giving) aid means accepting the gesture of international friendship and all the obligations that goes with that.

    It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.

  339. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:14 am

    Do you really think any country gives aid out of pure altruism?

    That would be an altruistic view to take, wouldn’t it?

  340. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:15 am

    It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.

    I recall complaints from certain quarters about not letting Labor off just because “the libs are worst”, or comments to that effect

    #justsayin’

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:29 am

    “Oh, the irony. Reap what you have sown, kingmakers.”

    The Abbott government is, in terms of “good government”, a continuation of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd – broken promises, incoherent spin-driven policies, an opposition big on negativity and light on alternative policies, a really dumb treasurer and rats in the ranks undermining the leader. Oh the irony indeed!

    The tragedy is that by the time these fuckers are turfed from office Australia will have had a decade of incompetent government with no hope of better as Little Billy Two Knives takes the oath of office.

  342. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:33 am

    a continuation of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd

    ROFL 😯

    Except that (for Gillard at least) Government ran quite well, passing legislation and operating effectively (in fact, far more streamlined than ever before)

    Just because yabot and his coterie ran the “shambles” screed, didn’t make it true.

    As for lies, even IF you accept the Carbon TAx one, then that is …. well, ONE

    There have been nothing BUT lies since this rabble came to power, Luckily for the voters, they truly are too shambolic to get anything passed.

    And, speaking of the Carbon Price. That is now gone, but, where’s our $550?

    Coal prices have crashed, the carbon tax has gone, yet the cost of electricity continues to rise. Oil prices have halved, yet the price of gas, which is linked to oil, is going up 17 per cent.

    This used to be a country which thrived on an abundance of low-cost energy. Now virtually every consumer and every business is shackled by spiralling energy prices.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/a-conspiracy-to-stiff-gas-consumers-20150220-13keaa.html#ixzz3SVzkqcFY

  343. February 23, 2015 9:38 am

    “”because it makes us feel good””

    Well that’s debatable…

    The LNP (as attested by Abbott’s latest remarks), have wasted no time in suggesting that their should be some quid pro quo obligation on the part of the recipient in exchange for the funds, something which he now finds himself at odds with with his own Foreign Minister.

    I would suggest there is a difference between the type of aid we allow for every year in the Federal Budget against the type of aid offered during a natural disaster.

    The former appears to be about helping developing nations out of poverty and into a middle class existence and allowing Australian companies to benefit along the way in their development. It also acts as a disincentive for them to bomb the fuck out of us for the fun of it.

    The latter type of aid should come with no strings attached, and the LNP has a track record in offering a paltry sum in these situations and then succumbing to public (or international) pressure to offer more at a later stage.

    The LNP has already cut its foreign aid budget and to suggest that there should be some sort of “favour that can be called in” on a whim in return for humanitarian aid in the event of a disaster is distasteful and no doubt aimed at appealing to redneck voters who resent any suggestion of taxpayers funds being spent on foreign aid in the first place.

  344. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:43 am

    One wonder how johnwinston feels about one of the few good things he ever did as pm getting tainted by yabot the tainter?

  345. February 23, 2015 9:44 am

    “”Except that (for Gillard at least) Government ran quite well, passing legislation and operating effectively (in fact, far more streamlined than ever before)””

    Rudd and Gillard also enjoyed a degree of popularity amongst the electrorate, with Rudd enjoying a staggering 70% of voter support when he unseated the lying rodent.

    In contrast, Abbott hasn’t really enjoyed any popularity and only won the election because he was “the least unpopular,” oh and of course people believed him when he said there would be no cuts to health, education, ABC, SBS etc…

    #WorstPMever

  346. February 23, 2015 9:48 am

    “”It’s the Indonesians that are being as gauche as Abbott.””

    Oh that’s just nonsense.

    The Indonesians have been consistent throughout this entire Bali duo episode. It’s the Abbott govt who have been flapping about all over the place, with Bishop having to apologise for Abbott’s blunders, and let’s not forget it was Abbott who fucked up the relationship with Indonesia in the first place 18 months ago.

  347. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:59 am

    Abbott hasn’t really enjoyed any popularity

    Also, ltdnews has only turned when they too have sensed his popularity is fatal, unlike rudd and Gillard, who they attacked in order to bring their popularity down.

    yabots attacks are rear guard operations, designed not only to press murdochs agenda, but also I think to soften their “get Labor” image.

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:03 am

    The Indonesians have been consistent throughout this entire Bali duo episode.

    Consistently gauche, consistently brutal

    Did you see the link I posted where Human Rights Watch suggested the Indonesia discontinue their intrusive virginity checks for female police recruits?

  349. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:07 am

    “and let’s not forget it was Abbott who fucked up the relationship with Indonesia in the first place 18 months ago.

    What did Abbott do?

    All i remember is the Rudd/Gillard phone bugging and Labor trashing our live cattle trade.

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:09 am

    I’m not getting into “which turd stinks the worst” type arguments. The real issue is that we have had dysfunctional government for the best part of a decade and it is unlikely to get any better when Billy Two Knives takes over.

  351. February 23, 2015 10:13 am

    “”Did you see the link I posted where Human Rights Watch suggested the Indonesia discontinue their intrusive virginity checks for female police recruits?*

    What does that have to do with the favours in return for aid discussion?


    *Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices…. 😉

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:20 am

    Maybe it doesn’t have much to do with aid, but the virginity test has a little to do with a county being gauche

  353. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:30 am

    The real issue is that we have had dysfunctional government for the best part of a decade

    Even though you’re not getting into “which turd stinks the worst” type arguments. 😯

    Sorry, if you want to keep repeating something I disagree with, I’ll keep disagreeing, unless you can show me how I am mistaken. Can we agree on that 🙂

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:32 am

    The Mad Abbott has to go … despite the geriatric apologies of Gerard Henderson and his BS that Abbott is admired in international circles … Abbott is destroying our international reputation … insulting 200,000,000 followers of Islam right on your doorstep is stupid and downright dangerous in the extreme …

    This isn’t Diplomacy 101 … its Kindergarten Foreign Relations …

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coin-for-abbott-indonesians-angry-backlash-at-pms-bali-nine-diplomacy-20150222-13l5n2.html

    The Liberal Party itself is to blame … they are the only people who can remove him, from office – contrary to his own silly belief that he was voted in by the people .. a quick look at the polls will tell you we don’t want him as PM …

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:33 am

    Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices….

    I only do that when I’m wrong, and I really don’t recall that happening.

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:37 am

    … have wasted no time in suggesting that their should be some quid pro quo obligation

    I’m surprised this wasn’t pounced upon by the grammar Nazis … must be one rule for the blogmeister and another for the plebs …

    Just sayin’ …

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:37 am

    Really TB, there’s a handful or 2 of people in the video.

    I wouldn’t get too excited about the reaction.

    Did you know that the Indonesian government conducts virginity tests for women seeking to join the police?

  358. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:38 am

    I only do that when I’m wrong

    Others admit it before skulking off though

    Anyway, guess we’ll see later yomm 🙂

    Quick, look over the’re 🙂 , thei’r 🙂 horrible!

  359. February 23, 2015 10:41 am

    “”Or is this the point in the conversation where I just quietly back off and hope that no one notices…”

    I was just posting that as a hypothetical situation, not one that I am accustomed to myself naturally.

  360. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:46 am

    “. a quick look at the polls will tell you we don’t want him as PM …

    That appears to be true.

    But for you TB it does not matter what good Abbott does. You will vote ALP no matter what.

    You voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%

    “$51.8 billion

    Added to the budget in the last 18 months …

    No. Our 70 aging F/A18’s were always going to be replaced by 70 F35’s

    Our 6 Collins Class submarines are approaching 20 years of age and will need to be replaced by 6 new submarines before they reach 30 years of age.

    Unless you are arguing for no spending at all on the military your comments make no sense

  361. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:57 am

    🙂

  362. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:09 am

    I note that, speaking of subs, the “open tender process” or whatever it is called has explicitly ruled out ASC. I wonder how that SA lib who got lie to by yabot feels right now?

    If it is like a Muppet, then he is feeling exactly how he looks.

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:17 am

    Someone told me that IS/ISIS/ISIL has threatened to blow up a Westfield centre in Australia … can’t find anything … anyone else?

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:18 am

    Quick, look over the’re 🙂 , thei’r 🙂 horrible!

    Well, TR, if you are going to play the pedant card you should be consistent surely?

  365. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:21 am

    if you are

    ROFL

    anyone else?

    I just read it on a blog, so must be right.

    Meanwhile, our brave tewwa Xspurt refuses to buckle to tewwa questions!

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:27 am

    I just read it on a blog, so must be right.

    LOL!!!!!!!!! 😆

  367. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:34 am

    Thanx 4 keepin US saif TB 😉

  368. February 23, 2015 11:37 am

  369. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:43 am

    Maybe Australian Malls are only in by association:

    “Terrorist group Al-Shabaab released a video calling for attacks on shopping malls in the US, Canada and the United Kingdom, which included mention and images of the Mall of America in Minnesota.”

  370. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:46 am

    lol reb “10 flag” terra level.

    For a long time, successive governments have been concerned about organisations that breed hatred, and sometimes incite violence. Organisations and individuals blatantly spreading discord and division

    such as Hizb ut-Tahrir

    should not do so with impunity. Today, I can confirm that the Government will be taking action against hate preachers.

    I’m not sure alan jones or bolt will be too excited about this.

    18C anyone 🙂

  371. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:47 am

    “Sorry, if you want to keep repeating something I disagree with, I’ll keep disagreeing, unless you can show me how I am mistaken. Can we agree on that “

    Sure can, Tom R. But I am not going to waste my time on a catalogue of R/G/R grotesqueries. You are so rusted-on as to be oblivious to any such short-comings and most independent thinking people get it anyway.

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 12:15 pm

    Surely, The Mad Abbott, will make the call soon … onward to Dabiq!

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2015 12:16 pm

    OI!OI!OI!

    AUSTRALIA, a country of sports champions, innovators … and drug takers.
    The nation has the inglorious distinction of having the highest proportion of recreational drug users in the world — an embarrassing new low, albeit from getting high.
    Our collective craving for a hit is only set to heighten, with the number of drug users continuing to rise steadily.
    The frightening statistics in the United Nation’s 2014 World Drug Report confirm Australia as leading the world in the use of party drug ecstasy, third in methamphetamines and fourth in cocaine.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australia-comes-top-of-global-list-for-recreational-drug-use-in-united-nations-2014-world-drug-report/story-fni0cx12-1226979809971

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 12:23 pm

    And before I forget … ToSY

    February 22, 2015 8:30 pm

    ” I did say it was conspiracy theory”

    No, you didn’t.

    February 21, 2015 7:47 pm

    “Sure, it’s a theory but based upon experience and discussions with more experienced people than me … ? ”

    And if you argue “but you didn’t say conspiracy” … you really have got it bad …

  375. February 23, 2015 12:56 pm

  376. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:07 pm

    …should not do so with impunity. Today, I can confirm that the Government will be taking action against hate preachers…

    Does that include bolt and that catch-a-fire mob, or only mooslim hate preachers?

    10 x flag terror alert level!

    hehe reb, that is the funniest thing ever!

    …Prime Minister Abbott will NOT take questions from journalists at the ‘national security statement’ …

    Fkn gutless wonder, guess he won’t take another question until after the next election, that’s a choker chain credlin’s got him on. Oh, I forgot, he don’t do questions anymore, he does scripted statements that he has taped in his office by his own camera man which he then sends out to journos/media.

    Why do they play his game and bother showing them?

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:13 pm

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:15 pm

  379. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:17 pm

  380. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 1:51 pm

    So much for a more ‘consultative’ PM:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/matthewson-so-much-for-a-more-consultative-pm/6212010

    …The chastened PM promised he’d be more consultative in future, would “socialise” policy decisions before announcing them, and swear off making captain’s calls. But in the 14 days since then it’s become clear Abbott either has no intention of keeping those commitments, or is simply incapable of doing so…

  381. February 23, 2015 2:04 pm

    ‘And if you argue “but you didn’t say conspiracy” … you really have got it bad …’

    That’s right, because a ‘theory’ and a ‘conspiracy theory’ are the same thing. 🙄

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 2:09 pm

    Give it a fkn rest … its like reading a kindy playtime story … I actually gave you a bit more credit than I did Kneel – might have to re-assess that …

  383. February 23, 2015 2:10 pm

    “MORE FLAGS! WE CAN’T HEAR YOUR FLAGS!”

    The Nazis marched with Swastika flags; and now, Tony Abbott stands in front of Australian flags.

    Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?

  384. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 2:13 pm

    Is there a conspiracy that their is a conspiracy?

  385. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 2:44 pm

    Crikey says: take domestic violence seriously to protect us all:

    …Today, a desperate Tony Abbott, standing Obama-like in front of a row of flags, promised yet further strengthening of security and immigration laws, and further restrictions on free speech, and released a report calling for more money for security agencies.

    What no one is addressing is the extensive evidence that agencies didn’t need more power or more money or more information to stop Monis before he walked into the Lindt cafe — they needed to see violence against women as more than just a niche issue unrelated to their job of protecting Australians…

  386. February 23, 2015 2:51 pm

    “Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?”

    I believe it’s called syrupy, exploitative, sickly, overtly patriotic flagsturbation.

  387. February 23, 2015 2:53 pm

    Unsurprisingly, his ‘base’ love that shit.

    They probably like shiny things & being kept ‘safe’ too.

  388. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 2:59 pm

    …Can’t you sheeple see what’s going on here?…

    nationalism, patriotism and propaganda? Operation “save my arse”?

    Tony Abbott on national security: plenty of flags and rhetoric, but not much detail:

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/tony-abbott-on-national-security-plenty-of-flags-and-rhetoric-but-not-much-detail

    …There was little new in prime minister’s speech and his refusal to answer questions leaves the impression that its main purpose was to deliver soundbites on the ‘new dark age’.

    Tony Abbott’s rhetoric about the terrorist threat in his national security speech raced well ahead of any concrete details.

    And the new measures that were flagged appear to go beyond what was recommended in the two reports to which the speech was ostensibly a response – the review of Australia’s counter-terrorism machinery, done within his own department, and the joint report from the secretary of the prime minister’s department and the secretary of the NSW premier’s department in the wake of the Lindt cafe siege.

    The speech was delivered at the Australian federal police headquarters, where the prime minister was flanked by three ministers, scores of officials and six Australian flags, but where he was not available to answer questions about his statement’s contents. Which was a shame, because it raised a lot of questions…

  389. February 23, 2015 3:06 pm

    The hilarity!

    Over at Herr Bolt’s attack piece on Lyons, multiple Bolt-limpets are cancelling their online subscriptions to the Leftist (their words, not mine) newspaper, The Australian, in righteous fury!

    You couldn’t make this shit up!

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_oz_cant_run_this_bull_story_big_and_then_not_say_sorry/#commentsmore

  390. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 3:17 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/feb/23/tony-abbott-to-deliver-a-national-security-statement-politics-live#block-54ea9c69e4b02286e34091c6

    …Abbott chose to make his address at the AFP headquarters, not in a parliamentary forum, which would have been the more conventional forum at times when parliament is sitting.
    The prime minister’s decision forced the opposition leader Bill Shorten to make his reply in less optically desirable circumstances. Shorter Shorten: I’m with you Tony on the substance but I’m not with you on your rhetoric…

  391. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 3:22 pm

    the oz fail again

  392. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 3:29 pm

  393. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 3:46 pm

    …Tony Abbott has called on immigrants to Australia to “be as tolerant of others as we are of them” …

    Fck, if they treat us as we treat them…it’s not gonna be safe to venture outdoors!

    Sydney siege report was a ‘whitewash’ and security laws are ‘flawed’, Nick Xenophon says – video
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/feb/23/nick-xenophon-security-laws-sydney-siege-journalists-video

    Medicines forecast to cost taxpayers millions more in secret TPP trade deal:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/medicines-forecast-to-cost-taxpayers-millions-more-in-secret-tpp-trade-deal

    …Medicines will cost Australian taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars more each year if measures in a leaked draft of the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement are implemented, a new report says…

  394. Walrus permalink
    February 23, 2015 3:52 pm

    “”Did you know that the Indonesian government conducts virginity tests for women seeking to join the police?””

    Wow……………what a great job their Police Commissioner has.

    “I’m not a gynecologist………………………but I’ll have a look at it for you”

  395. February 23, 2015 4:06 pm

    Oops!

    KL has already posted link to same.

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 4:58 pm

    Australia secured asylum deal by staying ‘silent’ on rights abuses: Sri Lanka PM:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/australia-secured-asylum-deal-by-staying-silent-on-rights-abuses-sri-lanka-pm

    …Wickremesinghe said former president Mahinda Rajapaksa had agreed to help stop boats carrying asylum seekers leaving for Australia if Canberra kept quiet about alleged abuses committed by the previous regime…

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 5:08 pm

    Toiletwet, re Bolt’s BS … the comments are hilarious! Lefty journalists … chortle 😆

  398. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 5:46 pm

    [crikey paywall] Galaxy: 53-47 to Coalition in NSW:
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/02/23/galaxy-53-47-to-coalition-in-nsw-2/

    …Conducted last Wednesday and Thursday from a sample of 923, the poll has the Coalition’s two-party preferred lead at 53-47 – slightly down on the 54-46 lead the pollster recorded last month, in its first survey after Luke Foley became Labor leader. However, it’s quite a bit worse for the Coalition than the other major poll conducted on Foley’s watch, a 56-44 result in a poll for the Sydney Morning Herald by Ipsos – a pollster which appears to have a lean to the Coalition compared with its rivals, if its federal polling to date is any indication.

    Making things still more interesting is that all the numbers quoted above are based on previous election preferences, which blew pollsters nearly three points off course at the Queensland election. This is particularly significant given that Queensland and New South Wales alone share the optional preferential voting system, under which the previous-election method would seem to be especially unreliable. That is especially true when comparing a colossal electoral disaster for Labor with an election held when they are on the upswing – a situation which applies both in Queensland and New South Wales…

  399. February 23, 2015 9:06 pm

    hey teabags and team-cheerers, you may recall l have previously reported #ponzi-jobs in previous discussion

    tonights #4corners on my abc is `finally` reporting what my neighbors/friends have been telling me for years,

    the whole `dole-office` system is riddled with corporate looting and fraud that works `against` the un/under/employed

    #the `out-side` job-contractor system was started under the john-w regime, and kept during the joolya-regime, kevin07-regime, and still operates under the mr-rabbit regime. #go-team!

  400. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:04 pm

    Interesting … especially if you’re (chuckle) a CC follower …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/more-siberian-methane-blowholes-found-in-permafrost/story-fnjwvztl-1227236656999

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:15 pm

    Robber Barons at work! (With the help of the government) So where are the names of the rorters!

    The CES worked really well … until privatisation in 1998 …

    AN INVESTIGATION has uncovered a massive taxpayer rip-off perpetrated not by “dole bludgers” sponging off the unemployment system — but instead by the agencies tasked with finding people jobs.

    Unemployment in Australia is at 6.4 per cent, its highest rate in 12 years. But an investigation by Four Corners has found that a billion-dollar taxpayer funded scheme created to help job seekers find a work is instead being used to keep the money flowing to employment agencies.

    There’s evidence that both private and charity job agencies are “gaming” the Federal Government’s work scheme Job Services Australia, which it spends about $1.3 billion on every year.

    The agencies receive money for every person they look after, with thousand-dollar bonuses available if they find the person work. In 1998 the Federal Government essentially privatised the system so in order to keep their unemployment benefits, every jobseeker had to register with a charity or a private job agency.

    But with 780,000 people competing in Australia for just 150,000 jobs, there is not enough work to go round and the agencies have found other ways to make money.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/investigation-exposes-fraud-within-taxpayer-funded-jobs-services-australia/story-fnkgbb3b-1227237512956

    My bold above – its not difficult to see where the money should be spent … and its not on employment agencies … how much did Therese sell her business for?

  402. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:15 pm

    Things are certainly warming up at the IPCC. Head honcho and steamy novelist, Rajendra Pachauri, has resigned amid allegations that he is a sexual predator. Interestingly he has gone straight to the Craig Thomson excuse:

    “The said email has indicated misuse of my computer resources and communication devices, without my permission or consent,” he said. “From your email, I have come to know the factum that my computer resources including my email ids, mobile phone and WhatsApp messages have been hacked and that unknown cyber criminals have gone ahead and have unauthorisedly accessed my computer resources and communication devices and further committed various criminal activities.”

    Pachauri’s excuse seems to be about as plausible as Michael Mann’s claim to be a Nobel Laureate or anything else the IPCC publishes.

    And if you want a good belly laugh there are plenty to be had in this piece.

  403. February 26, 2015 8:36 am

    media-quote””””””’780,000 people competing in Australia for just 150,000 jobs”””””””””

    # hey Teebz, l reckon that is wrong. My Guess, 780,000-dole-people PLUS twice as many in junk-jobs, competing for 150,000 jobs. What do you think TB.?

    # My Guess, those 150,000 jobs, most of`em are probably `junk-jobs` too.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:27 am

    The internet is abuzz!

    How’s this for crowdfunding! And 3D technology?

    Now over $3 million and climbing!

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/crowdfunding-investors-went-nuts-for-this-gamechanging-australian-invention-a-beehive-with-a-honey-tap-2015-2

  405. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:39 pm

    Looks like the Bee’s Knees, TB. Are you an amateur apiarist?

    Also, the crowdfunding thing is evolving. It is now an important part of the marketing strategy of many companies. Pebble started there with their smart watch. Now they have grown to 130 employees and boast that “big and serious companies” are partnering with them. Yet they are going back to Kickstarter for another round of crowdfunding for the new model smart watch.

    They probably don’t need the money but if they do raise a lot in short space of time this will be good free advertising for them.

    And the money they do raise is better than debt or equity as they don’t have to pay interest or dilute the investors.

  406. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:17 pm

    Now from the land of “when people stop believing in god they don’t believe in nothing – they’ll believe anything” we have this puff-piece for a lefty-approved religion.

  407. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 5:06 pm

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation welcomed the FCC announcement of its proposal to regulate for net neutrality. So far, so good.

    But it seems that the FCC is going to pass the regulation before it is made public, which is causing concern about other aspects of the regulation:

    We are days away from a final vote, and it appears that many of the proposed rules will make sense for the Internet. Based on what we know so far, however, the general conduct proposal may not. The FCC should rethink this one.

  408. February 27, 2015 9:59 am

    “Pachauri is no stranger to the salacious, having penned a fictionalized autobiography full of boasts of sexual exploits, nor is this the first fracas in which he’s been involved. Five years ago he was accused of raising huge sums of money for his foundation on the basis of bogus IPCC claims that Himalayan glaciers were not long for this world.”

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/25/embattled-green-leader-resigns-as-ipcc-chief/

  409. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:06 am

    “bogus IPCC claims that Himalayan glaciers were not long for this world.”

    Pachauri is a true mountain man. Hence his predilection for mountain women.

    Funnily enough it now appears that Pachauri’s mountain mate is turning on him

  410. February 27, 2015 10:12 am

    “Unfortunately, since September 11 the United States government has been unwilling to apply the same standard of criticisms that we have applied to Christianity to the religion of Islam. Yet as with any other large tradition, the labors of selective tradition can be applied to Islam as well. Western governments have tied themselves in knots to the point of foolishness because they refuse to state what is obvious to many millions of people about the importance not of the religion of Islam per se but of interpretations of Islam in this era of terror. Just as it makes no historical sense to discuss slavery or the Holocaust without examining Christianity’s contributions, so it is ridiculous to assert that the Islamic State, the Hamas Covenant, the fanaticism of the Iranian mullahs, al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood have nothing to do with Islam. It amounts to saying that its adherents either do not mean what they say or that they don’t know what they are doing. Both assumptions are condescending. To be sure, these varieties of Islamism differ from one another, but they all engage in the labors of selective tradition. They did not invent the texts that they quote but they have selected and emphasized some rather than other components of the tradition. They can all point to passages in the Koran and in the commentaries about it that in their view justify attacks on the Jews, on Muslims of whom they disapprove, on Christians and on other assorted “infidels.” Bassam Tibi, the author of Islamism and Islam, has described Islamism as an invented tradition. He does not mean that Islamists have invented quotations that do not in fact exist in the Koran and its commentaries. Rather, he means that in selecting some and neglecting other aspects of key texts, they invented a distinctive 20th- and now 21st-century ideology that has fostered fanaticism and violence.”

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/23/one-standard-not-two-for-christianity-and-islam/

  411. February 27, 2015 10:15 am

  412. February 27, 2015 10:20 am

  413. February 27, 2015 10:21 am

    “Part of the problem is that the Left failed to criticize unions as their leadership often evolved to having more in common with the bosses than with their own members. As the Left moved away from worker issues in the Sixties to Civil Rights, the anti-war movement, feminism, and cultural issues, blue collar workers became alienated from those who were now largely content to support labor by merely singing Woody Guthrie and Weavers songs. The Left largely came to look down their noses at workers because of attitudes regarding culture and the war, only honoring workers when their issues were tied to something else, such as the largely Mexican-American United Farmworkers Union or access to jobs for women.”

    http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/one-thing-those-of-us-who-are-pro-union.html

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:25 am

    I’m outraged that every section of the hateful anti Gillard & ALP Abbott & Liberal press are speculating about the Prime Minister and a challenge, Rudd Turnbull has said there is no challenge, but the press continue to talk it up.

    The biased media wants to bring down Gillard Abbott.

  415. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:39 am

    “Rather, he means that in selecting some and neglecting other aspects of key texts, they invented a distinctive 20th- and now 21st-century ideology that has fostered fanaticism and violence.””

    Only it is not just a 20th- and now 21st-century ideology. The question is whether the original rules still apply or whether they were of their original time and place and are not applicable now.

    Early on the question arose as to whether or not one could have sex with female sex slaves given that adultery was forbidden. Mohammad answered that it was permissible and adopted the practice himself. It is not surprising then that those who believe that Islam is unchanging and that it is virtuous to imitate the actions of the prophet. None of what Islamic State do is innovative. Nor was it innovative in the 20th century. Wahabism goes back to the eighteenth century. In fact the 20th century “innovations” have been continuously present, though not always dominant strand of Islam.

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