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Is Australia now being ruled under a Fascist Regime?

February 23, 2015

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In 2003, Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism, after examining the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics that were common to each regime.

As Australia’s PM Tony Abbott today unveiled new “National Security” measures ostensibly aimed at “Keeping Australia Safe” we can’t help but find some startling similarities. Britt’s 14 characteristics of a fascist regime are as follows:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; progressives;  communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military 

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism 

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media 

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.

7. Obsession with National Security 

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organising power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

 

 

 

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258 Comments leave one →
  1. February 23, 2015 4:49 pm

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 5:06 pm

    Is Australia now being ruled under a Fascist Regime?

    Frighteningly close to one – according to those 14 points above, sreb …

    Uncanny isn’t it …?

    Great find BTW … be afraid – be very afraid …

  3. February 23, 2015 5:15 pm

    fascist-lite

    fascist-wannabe

    pseudo-quasi-jingo-fascist

  4. February 23, 2015 5:17 pm

    I admit, I can see parallels with that list…but the true nature of genuine, repressive fascist regimes probably shouldn’t be cheapened.

    Still…ticking a lot of boxes, although I’m sure AbbottCorp adherents would suggest the same about any ALP government.

  5. February 23, 2015 5:26 pm

    “be afraid – be very afraid …”

    Or not.

    For the sake of discussion”:

    “This is a highly flawed article. It is not a very accurate picture of fascism and frankly was a ripoff from a much better article by Umberto Eco: Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

    “The Britt article started with what is happening in the U.S. and then crafted a description of fascism that only highlights those points that will support the thesis. This is a logical fallacy (the false notion that things that are similar in some aspects are identical in all aspects).

    “See also these definitions/descriptions:

    http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

    http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

    “Fascism is an especially virulent form of extreme right populism. Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity and collective rebirth while seeking to purge imagined enemies. It attacks both revolutionary movements and liberal pluralism in favor of militarized, totalitarian mass politics. Fascism first crystallized in Europe in response to the Bolshevik Revolution and the devastation of World War I, and then spread to other parts of the world. Between the two world wars, there were three forms of fascism: Italian economic corporatism; German racial nationalist Nazism; and clerical fascist movements such as the Romanian Iron Guard and the Croatian Ustashi. Since WWII, neofascists have reinterpreted fascist ideology and strategy in various ways to fit new circumstances.

    “Roger Griffin, an influential scholar of generic fascism, argues that “facism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding the ‘people’ into a dynamic national community under new elites infused with heroic values. The core myth that inspires this project is that only a populist, trans-class movement of purifying, cathartic national rebirth (palingenesis) can stem the tide of decadence.”

    “There are other common components of fascism, including an exclusionary form of ethnonationalism that narrowly defines who the real “people” or Volk are; the idea of the primary importance of the homogenous whole (Integralism); and the diminution of the importance of the individual in a society ruled by leaders who metaphysically represent the will of the people (Organicism). These factors create a drive for totalitarian control in fascist movements and states. Totalitarian movements and governments insist on intruding into and controlling every aspect of a person’s life-public or private-political, social, or cultural. Totalitarianism is a term that still has analytical value despite its frequent misuse to bash the Left. Most notorious was Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, 1981-1985, who promulgated a theory that communist governments were totalitarian and could never be reformed, but brutal right-wing dictatorships were merely authoritarian and thus could be reformed through alliances with the United States. While this misrepresented the work of Hannah Arendt in her definitive book The Origins of Totalitarianism, it also suffered from a certain lack of historical accuracy when communism collapsed in Europe.”

    Chip Berlet, Political Research Associates
    Co-author, “Right-Wing Populism in America”

    ………………………

    There’s also this point of view:

    “I’m going to disagree with most of the points on this list. I think it’s very vague and inaccurate. Personally, I believe that Kevin Passmore has produced the best description of Fascism in his book “Fascism: A Very Short Introduction” for Oxford University Press. His research into the matter is impeccable and gives arguments for different sides before giving a solid justification for his definition (pg. 31). This definition is also similar to those presented by Ernesto Laclau and Roger Eatwell and is the definition I use to define fascism. However, 90+% of my criticisms are simple refutation by historical evidence so this definition should play very little (if any) part in my criticisms.

    “2. Disdain for the importance of human rights is a characteristic of many totalitarian governments, not just fascist ones. Sadam Husein disregarded more human rights than could be said of some fascists yet he certainly wasn’t a fascist.

    “5. Saying rampant sexism is a defining characteristic of fasicsm is blatantly incorrect. Many fascist parties had strong support from feminist organizations and certain feminist goals were part of the Fascist party’s original goals (but then of course so was a dedication to democracy). Sexism was only a later result of making women more productive for the nation and possibly appeasing conservative groups. It is quite concievable that a fascist party could operate in an entirely different way if they believed it to be more productive for the nation to do so.

    “7. Many countries are obsessed with national security. Yes, the fascists did care deeply about national security but that was mostly in regards to their goal of controlling every aspect of the nation. The same could be said about any national issue.8. I wonder where this comes from but it does not seem to have any real basis. The Fascists were opposed to the Catholic political parties at various times and the church to a degree. I can’t seem to find any references of “religious and ruling elite coming together” in the different fascist movements.

    “9. This is partially true. The Fascists protected buisnesses so far as they were beneficial to the welfare of the nation. Although, many buisnesses were reorganized, all buisnesses were forced to join the fascist “corporations”, and some buisness leaders felt betrayed by the Fascists. Laissez faire capitalism would “protect” companies more than fascism’s corporatism I think. I’d say the fascists regulated buisness more than protected it.10. This is like the sexism one: historical evidence says otherwise. Labor was one of the main target of the Fascists for voters. Their goal was to provide a “right-wing” alternative to socialism that would persuade the workers to vote for them. After gaining power the unions that were fascist were merged into the corporations while the others (usually socialist/anarchist/generally left leaning) were eliminated. However, workers’s rights did take a backseat to the perserverance of the nation but saying that largescale oppression of labor is a common definition for fascist movements is just wrong.

    “11. This is another one of those points that seems directly contradicted by historical evidence. Many intellectuals of the period advocated fascism. In fact, the entire fascist movement in Romania came from the students and professors of the universities and many Nazi leaders were influenced by anti-semitic writings of “learned scientists” and professors of the period. Also, both Hitler and Mussolini funded art projects. Heck, fascism was widely regarded as the ultimate form of government by the futurists in Italy and many futurist artists had posts in the Fascist government.

    “13. Cronyism? Sure. Corruption? Possibly, but nothing immediately springs to mind. Any specific events that could back this up?

    “14. I would have to see specific data on this but both the Fascists and the Nazi’s were legally voted into office in the beginning. Afterwards, they mostly passed laws consolidating their power and making elections more or less unnecessary but, again, I’d have to see the data for this.While I think that the current definition can be revised/expanded the points you list seem to have no relation on real fascist movements. Could you give us more information on where this information specifically comes from?

    “EDIT: I found the article this is from. It can be read here: [1]. The definitions presented in this article can not be seriously considered as a proper definition of fascism. The work is horribly POV and is designed with the express purpose to villify fascism. I’m making no judgement about the quality of the article or the views expressed in it but such a work can not be considered to be a neutral, scholarly work on the nature of fascism.” – DNewhall

    …………………………..

    “I’ve read Britt. I think he crafted his definition of fascism precisely as a stick with which to beat the present-day U.S. Republican Party.” — Jmabel | Talk 07:54, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

    ……………………………..

  6. February 23, 2015 6:00 pm

    Shorter ToSY: It’s not really fascism, it’s just #fascismlite

  7. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:02 pm

    So the defence against fascism is other assholes who aren’t fascist have

    Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
    Disdain for the importance of human rights
    Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
    The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
    Rampant sexism
    A controlled mass media
    Obsession with national security
    Religion and ruling elite tied together
    Power of corporations protected
    Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
    Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
    Obsession with crime and punishment
    Rampant cronyism and corruption
    Fraudulent elections

    so obviously yabot isn’t one 😯 [sarc]

    Well, maybe he’s not, but this grubmint exhibits at least all but two of the above, which is piss poor enough of itself. And the mass media is controlled instead by a party sympathiser, which produces immoral, if not fraudulent, elections.

  8. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:03 pm

    #fascismlite

    🙂

    In yabots case, I think it’s more like faecism.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:05 pm

    Toiletwet, when I read your comment I thought … mmm hadn’t thought about it that way … so I went back and measured the points against Gillard government …

    My assessment that would NOT fall under ALP foundations …

    1/2/3/4/5?/6/7/8?/9?/10/11/12

    So … 13 and 14 are positive … the ? indicates some traits …

    Only my opinion … but as you say the LNP tick a lot of (I’d hazard an – all) boxes …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:08 pm

    Fascism is an especially virulent form of extreme right populism. Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity and collective rebirth while seeking to purge imagined enemies.

    Mmmmm …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TR, “all but two” … which two?

  11. February 23, 2015 6:09 pm

  12. February 23, 2015 6:11 pm

  13. February 23, 2015 6:18 pm

    “”Muslim leaders are furious at Tony Abbott’s suggestion that the community does not do enough to stamp out extremism, saying the statement is the “last card” of an embattled leader who is using dog-whistle politics to “inflame racism”.””

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/23/muslim-leaders-outraged-by-tony-abbotts-admonishment-over-extremism?CMP=soc_568

  14. February 23, 2015 6:21 pm

    Bolt has made token reference to the ‘dangers’ inherent in Abbott’s SaveHisArse twaddle regarding ‘national security’ (that old chestnut again…at a time of personal political peril, how coincidental) today…in amongst his heraldry & fawning over Abbott’s joining his campaign of cookie cutter LCD Islamophobic generalism, of course.

    But, Bolt did at least acknowledge the foreboding sense that Big Brother is getting its tentacles potentially far too deeply into our freedom of expression.

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:22 pm

    “In 2003, Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist,”

    He wasn’t a “Doctor” of any sort. He isn’t a political scientist either.

  16. February 23, 2015 6:30 pm

    “Fascism is an especially virulent form of extreme right populism.”

    I’m soooo confused!

    I thought I’d heard tell that Mussolini (sic?) & Hitler were Leftists?!…and probably only did it coz they were in atheist league with Uncle Joe (Stalin).

  17. February 23, 2015 6:35 pm

    “Liberal Party insiders said Abbott’s National Security address was “the last card” he had to play.”

    I strongly agree with that…and I think the fact that he has played it is desperation writ large.

    The Australian & other NewsCorp sites doing daily undermining of him really is something to behold. I doubt he can last against that sort of widespread, sustained whiteanting while he’s trying to reimagine himself for the (already jaded beyond return) public.

    Something else which highlights the desperate futility of his position, imo, is his refusal to take questions anymore & his new penchant for stagemanaged prerecorded ‘anouncements’ from the safety of his office.

    Dead cunt Man Walking

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:38 pm

    “When Fascism Comes to America, it will be Wrapped in the American Flag and Carrying a Cross.” Huey Long

    “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini.

    It’s the Corporate State, Stupid:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm

  19. February 23, 2015 6:42 pm

    I really wonder what sort of advice Abbott is getting these days. This so called “announcement” today was nothing other than a desperate attempt to regain some ground on the last remaining thread that the litany of LNP govt traditionally have some credibility.

    Their budget is fucked
    Their track record in creating jobs is fucked
    Their so-called commitments to not cutting ABC and SBS funding is fucked
    Their commitments on health and aducation are fucked
    Pensioners (their core voter base) don’t trust them anymore
    Young people don’t trust them (education “reform”)
    As well as rocketing youth unemployment

    Not to mention those images of Hockey and Conmann smoking cigars on the eve of the budget that would slash and burn the earnings of ordinary Australians.

    The only thing Abbott has left is to blab on about is “keeping you safe” while most of us don’t feel “threatened” at all.

    (Maybe ToSY does tho)

    The reality is that the lone nutter that was responsible for the Lindt siege was indeed a lone nutter.

    But that hasn’t stopped Abbott from using that episode to declare that we’re all (apparently) under threat and only he can keep us safe.

    I for one, don’t buy his BS.

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:44 pm

    …I thought I’d heard tell that Mussolini (sic?) & Hitler were Leftists?!…and probably only did it coz they were in atheist league with Uncle Joe (Stalin)…

    😆

  21. February 23, 2015 6:45 pm

    “When Fascism Comes to America, it will be Wrapped in the American Flag and Carrying a Cross.” Huey Long

    Sage words AO.

  22. February 23, 2015 6:47 pm

    Bolt’s pissweak ‘qualification’…

    Should be titled…Hyperbolically Overstating The Danger, In Order To Manufacture Consent And Enable Tightening Of Governmental Intrusion Upon All Domestic Citizens…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbotts_terrorism_statement_honest_about_the_danger_and_serious_but_a_dange/

    Apologetics with a limpwristed acknowledgement & a whole lotta fearsquirting.

  23. February 23, 2015 6:49 pm

    I’m no expert on the topic, but this sounds about right.

    “Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle and workers’ internationalism as threats to national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power. Its vision of a “new order” clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.”

    http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

  24. February 23, 2015 6:50 pm

    “”I think the fact that he has played it is desperation writ large.””

    Agree! Agree! Agree!

    But alternatively he could’ve just played low for a while, or gone oversees..

    His “popularity” seems to take a pause in its downward trajectory when that happens.

    Me thinks this was a last ditched attempt at “something” (anything) to get a bounce in the polls, and it will no doubt fail miserably (maybe the rodent gave him the “national security” advice)…

    He’s fucked.

    Next Newspoll is out tomorrow…

    #guffaw

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:51 pm

    …(that old chestnut again…at a time of personal political peril, how coincidental)…

    Note the use of defence and AFP as props all the time. He seems to be araldited to the AFP Just how political is that organisation?

    AFP HQ, just a short walk back to his bedroom/squat.

  26. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:53 pm

    He’s fucked.

    As long as we all aren’t with him.

    Still crossing anything crossable that labor DO NOT waive these threw.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:54 pm

    …I really wonder what sort of advice Abbott is getting these days…

    Credlin isn’t it? [the supposedly unelected PM]

  28. February 23, 2015 6:54 pm

    “The only thing Abbott has left is to blab on about is “keeping you safe” while most of us don’t feel “threatened” at all. (Maybe ToSY does tho)”

    Oooh, yeah. Get me a mop.

  29. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:54 pm

    Oh, and TB, as for the two from the list 😉

    And the mass media is controlled instead by a party sympathiser, which produces immoral, if not fraudulent, elections.

    Thems two

  30. February 23, 2015 6:54 pm

    “” Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle…. it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating… [it] ….rejects individual autonomy and rights….””

    I agree ToSY. I’m glad you do too.

  31. February 23, 2015 6:55 pm

    “But that hasn’t stopped Abbott from using that episode to declare that we’re all (apparently) under threat and only he can keep us safe.

    I for one, don’t buy his BS.”

    I, for two!

    Yes…apparently we’re meant to shit ourselves if we’re out in public (maybe even in our own houses!!! ) and we see a brown person with a beard & a mobile phone (obviously, the machete will be hidden until we are beheaded).

    * squirt, squirt…

  32. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 6:55 pm

    I’m no expert on the topic

    Sonds like sage words tosy

    Perhaps it could be argued that extreme left has many things in common with extreme right. And then leave it at that.

  33. February 23, 2015 6:57 pm

    “”Get me a mop.””

    I was thinking these might be more appropriate..

  34. February 23, 2015 6:58 pm

    “Still crossing anything crossable that labor DO NOT waive these threw.”

    Theirs something wrong they’re, but I just cnt put my finger on it.

  35. February 23, 2015 7:00 pm

    “I’m no expert on the topic, but this sounds about right.”

    Yep, sounds like a pretty good definition.

  36. February 23, 2015 7:00 pm

    Think they might be a bit small. I was thinking something more like this.

  37. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:03 pm

    obviously, the machete will be hidden until we are beheaded

    I just hope they only have the plastic one still

    Is this not the most obvious dog whistle of all.

    Or is it too blatant to still be referred to as a dog whistle?

  38. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:04 pm

    Theirs something wrong they’re,

    Lukes fyne ta mee

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:08 pm

    I for one, don’t buy his BS.”
    I, for two!

    I, for three

  40. February 23, 2015 7:10 pm

    “Or is it too blatant to still be referred to as a dog whistle?”

    In the current political climate, I believe that the cadence is more a ‘FatLadySinging’, than a ‘DogWhistle’. To the trained ear at least.

    My dogs hate Tony Arsehat, fwiw.

  41. February 23, 2015 7:12 pm

    I think ToSY would probably recognise, better than most, the underlying degradations of liberty in our ratcheting up the fearsquirting to legislate against us to ‘protect’ our individual ‘freedoms’.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:13 pm

    Still crossing anything crossable that labor DO NOT waive these threw.

    or through? not that I care, we can all do it 😉

    sigh, but they will waive them through, they’re more worried about being wedged and abbott painting them as weak on national security.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:19 pm

    Pensioners (their core voter base) don’t trust them anymore

    Yeah? 😯

    I for one, don’t buy his BS.

    That’s two of us … 23,004,667 to go …

    And just read, Toiletry’s, comment … 23,004,666 === Ahggggg the sign of the Abbott debil!

    Me thinks this was a last ditched attempt

    That’s “Methinks”, sreb … hate to see you charged over a space

    DO NOT waive these threw.

    Now you’re/your just toying with, ToSY …

    Ahhh … just read ToSY’s reply … I see a sense of humour still exists … thank Hitler for that …

  44. February 23, 2015 7:19 pm

    Yes, amongst all of this (extremely warranted) pisstaking of Abbott, it shouldn’t be forgotten that the ALP will usher in this shit & use it opportunistically next time they have the throne (sooner rather than later, on the current political wind).

    No greater reason exists to treat efforts by any government to incrementally put its citizens under surveillance, or indeed bring in legislation to express ‘unpalatable’ opinions or pronouncements, with extreme cynicism.
    All such efforts should be resisted as a matter of urgency. Once liberties are given away they are hard won back; if at all.

  45. February 23, 2015 7:20 pm

    “I think ToSY would probably recognise, better than most, the underlying degradations of liberty in our ratcheting up the fearsquirting to legislate against us to ‘protect’ our individual ‘freedoms’.”

    Yes, and I read Abbott’s speech carefully. The one line that bothers me most is this one:

    “And it will include stronger prohibitions on vilifying, intimidating or inciting hatred.”

    It’s about restricting speech, something a “liberal” government should not be contemplating.

  46. February 23, 2015 7:20 pm

    ” thank Hitler for that …”

    Snigger

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:21 pm

    Lukes fyne ta mee

    ar’ye a Jummy tu?!

  48. February 23, 2015 7:22 pm

    “It’s about restricting speech, something a “liberal” government should not be contemplating.”

    Absolutely.

    Although, to me, these fuckers are ‘liberal’ in the same way that North Korea is ‘democratic’.

    Thinking people should be concerned.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:23 pm

    It’s about restricting speech, something a “liberal” government should not be contemplating.

    But only a few months ago Brandis the Bandit was exhorting us to be bigots? Why don’t they make up their fkn minds?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:24 pm

    Thinking people should be concerned.</I.

    D'ja wot?

  51. February 23, 2015 7:26 pm

    “ut only a few months ago Brandis the Bandit was exhorting us to be bigots? ”

    He lost that argument, apparently.

  52. February 23, 2015 7:31 pm

    ” or indeed bring in legislation to express ‘unpalatable’ opinions or pronouncements”

    Should read… or indeed bring in legislation to suppress the expression of ‘unpalatable’ opinions or pronouncements…

  53. February 23, 2015 7:37 pm

    “He lost that argument, apparently.”

    He failed to sell it.

    He sounded like an IPA billboard.

    The general population, whom I believe do support ‘freedom of speech’ (as a rule, but vaguely defined because the ‘general population’ really doesn’t consider such things in any depth until they’re being beaten around the head with it) would be open to properly enunciated, reasonable measures to protect it.
    When ‘they’ make Bolt their martyr, they alienate a vast swathe of the population who are familiar with his (largely generic FoxNewsesque ) output.

  54. February 23, 2015 7:38 pm

  55. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:39 pm

    they’re more worried about being wedged

    I’m not so sure on this occasion (or perhaps it’s my false hope)

    But, yabots a pollie on the way out. He has burnt his political capital, and this is just so breathtakingly obvious that I think Shorten etal would be wise to play it slow and, without making loud noises, just string it along and drag it out, and hopefully make the right decision. He has been largely uncomittal at this point. I have heard people declare his actions for both sides. Which leads me to think he playing a bit of the “do him slowly” game.

    But, than again, I wouldn’t be putting any cold hard on that assumption 😦

    With fence sitting like that, I could become a political scientist 🙂

    ar’ye a Jummy tu?!

    Perishable that thought be 😯

  56. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:41 pm

    Sickening stuff that will make all of us less secure.

    Yea, but I’ve heard the 2015 fridge magnets are bullet proof, to better reflect our “heightened” tewwa.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:46 pm

    “ut only a few months ago Brandis”

    That’s … but … ToSY 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Perishable that thought be

    Fkn, Yoda!!!

  58. February 23, 2015 7:48 pm

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 7:54 pm

    View from the Street: PM’s security statement declares war on the scary baddies:

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/view-from-the-street/view-from-the-street-pms-security-statement-declares-war-on-the-scary-baddies-20150223-13mijm.html

  60. February 23, 2015 8:02 pm

    “With fence sitting like that, I could become a political scientist”

    Your fence sitting is a function of your …ahem…more favourable disposition towards one particular Party, TomR. 😉

    I don’t think you’re really a fence sitter, just (perhaps…haha) more optimistic with regard to affiliates?

    I also think you’re intelligent enough to recognise when they’re all having a fucking lend. You frequently demonstrate that you are.

  61. February 23, 2015 8:03 pm

    Your thoughts on the ‘NUCLEARISATION’ of (presumably regional) SA, TomR?

    I find that to be a challenging mental exercise, personally.

  62. February 23, 2015 8:04 pm

    I can’t deny it. Tom R is a self-declared rusted-on.

  63. February 23, 2015 8:07 pm

    “Tom R is a self-declared rusted-on.”

    And you are a _ _ _ _ _ ??

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:11 pm

    Chuckle …

  65. February 23, 2015 8:13 pm

    “And you are _ _ _ _ _ ??”

    Country squire.

    You?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:13 pm

    We’ve had one guy in a chocolate shop, are we really under a terrorist threat?

    So how many would constitute a threat?

    Just askin’ … 🙂

  67. February 23, 2015 8:13 pm

    “And you are _ _ _ _ _ ??”

    And you are he is— a ‘fundamental’ libertarian (?) as far as I can tell.

    Very different to a conservative (little lone let alone a religious conservative) or an ignorant bigot, imo.
    Although there is the appearance of feeling obliged to defend religious (read Judaic?Christian) fundaments & ‘soft’ conservative topics dejour (I blame PJ media consumption…Australia isn’t The United States Of Monopolism [yet]).

    * this comment is an observation & is in no way meant to be condescending or overtly judgemental

  68. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:14 pm

    I can’t deny it. Tom R is a self-declared rusted-on.

    I resemble that remark!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:14 pm

    Lord ToSY … or is that, good lord, ToSY?

    Is there any “country” in South Yarra?

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:16 pm

    * this comment is an observation & is in no way meant to be condescending or overtly judgemental

    It’s got a bit that way just recently, hey, Toiletry, so much for TGT freedom of speech … :lol:!!!

  71. February 23, 2015 8:16 pm

    “Is there any “country” in South Yarra?”

    Heh. That’s the “town” house, TB.

  72. February 23, 2015 8:18 pm

    “Country squire.”

    Me too.

    And I selflessly gave up my (presumably, by conventional standards) claim (as eldest male son) to the Soldier Settler Farm. So that either makes me foolish, shortsighted, careless or more interested in family harmony.

    Not sure how I can be defined, given all of that.

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:25 pm

    …We’ve had one guy in a chocolate shop, are we really under a terrorist threat?…

    Was he a terrorist? Or was it a siege? Do they call those guys who take their own families hostage – terrorists?

    When you look at his history, the man was already monitored by ASIO, a known offender and they had plenty of access to all his metadata. He was having ongoing federal court cases about his ‘freedom of speech’ issues.

    They decided he was ‘just’ a wife murderer with a history of sexual assault and violence to women.

    No need to be concerned at all 🙄

  74. February 23, 2015 8:39 pm

    Concerned…after the fact…and using him to reverse rationalise posthumous freedom raping.

    Go Team Fearsquirter!!!

  75. February 23, 2015 8:47 pm

    The chocolate shop hostage-taker was motivated by some version or other of Wonka-ism.

    Obviously.

  76. February 23, 2015 8:51 pm

    And what was Anders Breivik motivated by?…nutjobs everywhere could cherrypick a cause to blame…ISIS have just made it easier to pin the tail on the fucking donkey…and the media saturation has, in turn, made it easier for them to proliferate their backwardsarsed uber-religious-literal-conservative-ideology…

    But yeah, let’s pretend Monis woulda been fine if it wasn’t for (squirt, squirt) Islaaaam…

  77. February 23, 2015 8:54 pm

    None so blind as those who will not see.

  78. February 23, 2015 8:58 pm

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 8:58 pm

    Heh. That’s the “town” house, TB.

    Ahh … the Hacienda, ke?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    None so blind as those who will not see.

    Praise Adolf and pass the turnips …

  80. February 23, 2015 8:59 pm

    “And what was Anders Breivik motivated by?”

    I dunno. Right-wing nutjobism? Christianity? Who knows? You obviously have some idea.

    What are the several (tens) (hundreds) of thousands of head-chopping barbarians, yelling Allahu Akbar, motivated by? Any idea?

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:00 pm

    Noice pencil drawing, RP … just needs a moustache and some glasses …

  82. February 23, 2015 9:01 pm

    Moi?

    Do you really think I endorse a single thing about Religious Extremism?

    Inferring that the entire muslim population has Monis Motility is fucking ridiculous.

    Been assimilating too much BoltianSteynism.

    Once again, we all have far more in common than divisions…& the squeaky wheels get the fucking grease…

  83. February 23, 2015 9:02 pm

    “Inferring that the entire muslim population has Monis Motility is fucking ridiculous.”

    Yeah, well, who did that?

    #strawman

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:03 pm

  85. February 23, 2015 9:03 pm

    I obviously have some idea?

    Well, mayhaps he laid out his ‘manifesto’ at least as clearly as Monis ever did.

    Pretty sure it’s all on the record.

    Partisan cherrypicking won’t change that.

    He even referenced Bolt, from memory.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:05 pm

    Any idea?

    Well in Saudi Arabia friends of our friends the Septics … its The King and Their version of Sharia law …

    As for ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh … ? Read the link, sb, put up acouple of days ago (or google theatlantic … or Daqib … IS is motivated to bring about The End of Days on the plains of Daquib – apparently …

  87. February 23, 2015 9:08 pm

    You’ve got one Brevik (unless you can think of more).

    I’ve got – let’s be conservative – hundreds of times as many examples of Islamist nutjobs.

    Can you see a pattern?

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:09 pm

    cripes!

  89. February 23, 2015 9:11 pm

    “Yeah, well, who did that? ”

    Ok, fair enough.

    I prefer the nuance of splatter’s link if we’re gonna talk about a ‘whole’ religious movement.

    May I remind you, I think anyone who predicates their behaviour upon fable adherence is ‘hindered’ in their judgement? Some are just more literal than others (and, it goes without saying, the more literal the worse it gets).
    For fuck sake, what’s wrong with the here and now and not having to reverse rationalise existemce?

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:11 pm

  91. February 23, 2015 9:13 pm

  92. February 23, 2015 9:13 pm

    ” Any idea?”

    Too easy…

    Unfettered, (relatively, locally) unchallenged, indefensible literal religious conservatism.

    Can I just say…FUCK THAT ?

  93. February 23, 2015 9:16 pm

    “Can you see a pattern?””

    Can you…? 😯

  94. February 23, 2015 9:16 pm

    “You’ve got one Brevik (unless you can think of more).”

    McVeigh?

    There are more…but it’s a dumb game.

  95. February 23, 2015 9:17 pm

    How many of the unhinged mass shooting fuckheads in the US in the last decade were ‘Islamists’? I’m saying that would be a skewed data set.

  96. February 23, 2015 9:19 pm

    “Can you…? :shock:”

    Yes. Yes I can.

    #sidelinesniper

  97. February 23, 2015 9:23 pm

    I recognise the pattern you are detecting…I call it The Anthony Abbott Test Pattern.

    If Jeb Bush gets in, I’m sure he’ll quickly appropriate it.

  98. February 23, 2015 9:27 pm

    “You’ve got one Brevik”

    That would be “Anders Behring Breivk”, btw… 😉

    +100 pedant, toiletboss WINS, flawless victory

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

    ‘Brevik’ sounds like a fucken Scandinavian toaster.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:28 pm

    What about all those kids shooting up schools in the US, were they RWNJ’s growing up in a gun culture?

    our own tassie killer martin bryant

    Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012.
    Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009.
    Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008.
    Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
    The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
    Murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998.
    Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
    Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
    Alan Berg, June 18, 1984
    Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.

  100. February 23, 2015 9:29 pm

    Ha!

    The wiki link spells it wrong too!…it’s a socially-Marxist conspiracy orchestrated by the arch leftist Adolf Hitler (prove he’s dead) and the Austrian school.

  101. February 23, 2015 9:29 pm

    Oh. I see. All these hostage-takings and beheadings were random events. Nothing to do with any version of Islam.

    Good to know.

  102. February 23, 2015 9:32 pm

    “our own tassie killer martin Bryant”

    clearly organised by John Howard and carried out by our Special Forces to remove firearms from the general population to allow a future passive takeover by reptilians

    Yes, and him

    Mentally unstable.

    Can’t be stopped by tightening the mental/online thumbscrews on the entire population (and making us fucking pay dollars for the affront!).

  103. February 23, 2015 9:34 pm

    ” “Anders Behring Breivk”, btw… ;)”

    Guffaw!

  104. February 23, 2015 9:37 pm

  105. February 23, 2015 9:38 pm

    “‘Brevik’ sounds like a fucken Scandinavian toaster.”

    Breivk sounds like a short Russian,

  106. February 23, 2015 9:38 pm

    “Oh. I see. All these hostage-takings and beheadings were random events. Nothing to do with any version of Islam.”

    To echo…”Yeah, well, who said that?”

    Man Monis though…just nailing his colours to the ISIS mast (ffs, he wasn’t even sunni) to go out like a genuine ‘threat’. Grist for the mill, not ‘terrorism’…unless we’re gonna squirt perpetually.

    This reminds me of the whole (amongst ignorant cunts who’ve never left the 80km zone of the city where they grew up) argument that ‘a gook is a gook’…(sorry to be blunt). It’s only monochromatic arsehats with no perspective who could see the Vietnamese as being chinese, or Japanese, or thai, or malay, or Indonesian or phillipino…honestly.

  107. February 23, 2015 9:40 pm

    “Breivk sounds like a short Russian”

    Has inflections of atheism too, now that I know he’s Russian.

  108. February 23, 2015 9:44 pm

    “Has inflections of atheism too, now that I know he’s Russian.”

    It would be even more scary if he was a scientist.

  109. February 23, 2015 9:47 pm

    Yes, Russian Scientists are from the nTH plane of Hell.

    Not quite so despicable as humans who voted for the ALP in 2007 though…or so I’ve heard told.

  110. February 23, 2015 9:47 pm

    “To echo…”Yeah, well, who said that?””

    Touche.

    (I don’t get your ‘gook’ reference, though.)

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:49 pm

    Has inflections of atheism too, now that I know he’s Russian.

    Isn’t that the opposite of what you just said above … not all Russians atheists just because the old USSR was … or did you miss the *?

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 9:50 pm

    Dramatic split in PM’s power base over finances and Credlin, leaked emails reveal
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dramatic-split-in-pms-power-base-over-finances-and-credlin-leaked-emails-reveal-20150223-13mokb.html

    …In two extraordinary emails sent to members of the federal Liberal Party executive over the weekend, federal treasurer Phil Higginson wrote of being “overwhelmed by the sheer vitriol” within the party at present and his unease at seeing his “good friend” Mr Abbott being “brought down this way”.

    Mr Higginson explained in one email that he had only in the past week signed off on the party’s 2013/14 accounts because of a “significant delay in obtaining the information I sought” from Mr Loughnane and the party’s secretariat about expenditure…

    …In an email likely to be as devastating as former Liberal director Shane Stone’s infamous “mean and tricky” memo in 2001 about the Howard government, Mr Higginson wrote that the “most serious current dilemma” facing the party was conflict of interest between the political and organisational wings because of Mr Loughnane and Ms Credlin’s marriage.

    He wrote “how this party ever let a husband and wife team into those roles” was beyond him and it was a situation that would not be tolerated in corporate Australia.

    “A managing director would never allow his executive assistant to be the wife of the chairman,” Mr Higginson, who heads corporate governance body ProNeb, wrote…

  113. February 23, 2015 9:52 pm

    All that is meant by that unsavoury reference is “All Of Islam Is Not IS”.

    Most people, of any persuasion, are moderates by default.

    the Islamist ‘scourge’ is overdramatised, overstated and spun for partisan political purposes. That is not to deny the atrocities of extremists, just to put them into perspective.

  114. February 23, 2015 9:54 pm

    “Isn’t that the opposite of what you just said above … not all Russians atheists just because the old USSR was … or did you miss the *?”

    I’m certain that plenty of ‘old USSR’ weren’t atheist either…they just had the terrible misfortune of living there at the time.

  115. February 23, 2015 9:57 pm

    ha ha, dot points of Teabag-theory

    +

    ”””””’13. Cronyism? Sure. Corruption? Possibly, but nothing immediately springs to mind. Any specific events that could back this up?””””””

    # AWB Tinfoil`osy

  116. February 23, 2015 9:58 pm

    “the Islamist ‘scourge’ is overdramatised, overstated and spun for partisan political purposes.”

    I agree, but I take issue with those who deny the abhorrent behaviour of radical adherents of islam just because they themselves resent Christianity.

    “That is not to deny the atrocities of extremists, just to put them into perspective.”

    Good.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:16 pm

    I agree, but I take issue with those who deny the abhorrent behaviour of radical adherents of islam just because they themselves resent Christianity.

    But no-one here has done that …

  118. February 23, 2015 10:35 pm

  119. February 23, 2015 10:38 pm

    ”””””””Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini.

    It’s the Corporate State, Stupid””””””’

    #yeah armchair, that pretty much sums it up for me

    +

    dunny””””””ticking a lot of boxes, although I’m sure AbbottCorp adherents would suggest the same about any ALP government””””

    TB”””””””””’mmm hadn’t thought about it that way … so I went back and measured the points against Gillard government .. My assessment that would NOT fall under ALP foundations ..

    1/2/3/4/5?/6/7/8?/9?/10/11/12

    So … 13 and 14 are positive … the ? indicates some traits …

    Only my opinion … but as you say the LNP tick a lot of (I’d hazard an – all) boxes””””””””

    # l guess it depends on your perspective, and how you see `each` team. lf you see team-teabag as the `righties` and team-joolya/blib as `lefties`, and thus, `opposites`, then l guess you may see `differences`.

    # l tend to see them more/most often as team-teabag/austerity as an extreme looney-right/corporate/facist team, with the other team nearly as far right on the scale, and just slightly `left` of the teabags, with very often, little difference on topics, and thus little (non)choice at ballots. (teabag-verse-teabag-lite or austerity-verses-austerity-lite) A `real` choice would be `teabag-verses_anti-teabag` or `austerity_verses_anti-austerity`

    # Unfortunately both teams keep mimic-ing the other team as often as possible, TB raised `joolya`, but even on `misogyny` day, joolya then joined the misogynist to hammer single-mother welfare, (an act of misogyny maybe.?), no gay marriage or voluntary euthanasia (from an atheist, unmarried woman, an act of teabag-lite maybe.?)

    # team-blib won`t be any different (if he makes it)

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 10:49 pm

    I resent them all equally. If the behaviour of the perpetrator is abhorrent, it is abhorrent no matter which religion the crime is committed under.

    The way I see it, religion is used as an excuse by criminals, rather than taking the responsibility for it themselves.
    Funny how these people always interpret their scriptures according to their own belief system, prejudices and bigotry. They find something in religion to fit their worldview and live out their lie by having others think better of them because they are supposedly a ‘good christian’ or a ‘good muslim’.

    They use their religion as a shield from punishment and their own abhorrent behaviour.

    All the more reason to me, to do away with all religion and hold people accountable for their own thoughts and actions, make them self-responsible, with nowhere to hide.

  121. February 23, 2015 11:02 pm

    ””””””I take issue with those who deny the abhorrent behaviour of radical adherents of islam just because they themselves resent Christianity”””””

    # it is funny that those that claim to see the `radical` of one dog-club and can`t see the `radical` in other dog-club/s #team.fear.squirt

    # for the record Tinfoil`osy, l see `all` the dog-clubs as looney (along with dog-club-like fetish beliefs no matter how destructive, ie-carnivorous-corporatism)

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:07 pm

    I think that we are more likely to die of Hep A due to negligent deregulation in the food chain than from a muslim terrorist act.

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:14 pm

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:25 pm

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2015 11:28 pm

  126. February 23, 2015 11:29 pm

    Yep. #Hep.berries super-bugs, ebola, sars. All have missed us or been minimal due to sheer good luck. Not good management. (but still much more likely than #fear.squirt)

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:02 am

    “I think that we are more likely to die of Hep A due to negligent deregulation in the food chain than from a muslim terrorist act.”

    Genius argument! And women are more likely to die from a heart attack than domestic violence.

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:05 am

    Looks like the Telegraph didn’t get Rupert’s memo. Its front page screams” Abbott Back In the Game”. How’s that leftist nutjob conspiracy theory going?

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:08 am

    “We got the warnings about Monis before siege, ignored them, and now we need deeper surveillance? “

    The point being that most of these likely came from the Muslim community. I wonder why Abbott did not make that point?

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:10 am

    “Fascism is an especially virulent form of extreme right populism.”

    So how come leftists like Mussolini and Hitler are fascists? And I suppose Putin is as well?

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:11 am

    “And it will include stronger prohibitions on vilifying, intimidating or inciting hatred.”

    What a hypocritical cunt! Although the left should be up for this – oh wait, he may ban the wrong sort of speech.

  132. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:21 am

    the Islamist ‘scourge’ is overdramatised, overstated and spun for partisan political purposes. That is not to deny the atrocities of extremists, just to put them into perspective.

    Some more perspective.

    For the political writer of the late 19th century, “terror” and “terrorism” retained their association with the policies of Maximilien Robespierre and the Jacobin party during the French Revolution. In everyday use, the term “terrorism” had evolved to include violence or threats used to sway opinion but it tended to refer to the actions of a state (or at least a collective) rather than the deeds of an individual: hence, in 1898, Sydney’s Sunday Times was bemoaning the “extent to which the larrikin pushes of the city still exercise a terrorism.”

    Nevertheless, even if the label was different, the response was the same: the Nicholson Street bombing was generally understood as a local manifestation of an international campaign of political violence.

    After all, just three weeks earlier, a similar blast had detonated in a lane off Napier Street at the residence of a Mr Underwood (whom The Age described as “an Israelite, engaged as a carrier for John Terry and co., the well known timber merchant”).

    Many feared Melbourne faced a bombing campaign. The immediate suspects were not, however, Muslims, but anarchists.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/02/in-the-end-we-forget-the-anarchists-bombers-and-lone-wolves-but-the-hysteria-they-provoke-stays-with-us

    So, not to belittle what is happening now, but also, not to let the tewwa out grow it’s place in historical context.

  133. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:25 am

    Although the left should be up for this

    Well, that would depend on the form wouldn’t it. Considering, as you said, these ‘hypocritical cunts’ fought tooth and nail against reforms that simply lent protection to slanders from those more powerful than them, and this call comes amidst racial profiling of an extreme variety, I wouldn’t be too confident of that summation.

    And I see Hitler is a lefty again :sigh:

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:30 am

    For so long as Hizb ut-Tahrir stays within the law it should not be banned. It seems to be a bit like Sinn Fein – it stays within the law and participates in public discussion, leaving the dirty work to others. Ed Hussein, now a Guardian journalist was a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK and has a different view:

    Husain argues that government policy has been a disastrous combination of laissez faire and political correctness. It turned a blind eye to Hizb ut-Tahrir, refusing to ban it, unlike countries such as Germany, not recognising how it incubated the mentality that saw some members graduate to terrorism. It patronised Islamist organisations like the Muslim Council of Britain, whose moderation was a mask for entryist tactics. And its policies of multiculturalism encouraged separate communities; multiculturalism was the perfect cover, he argues, for his Hizb ut-Tahrir ativities.

    It is far better to have their views out in public than to drive them underground.

  135. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:34 am

    It is far better to have their views out in public than to drive them underground.

    I AGREE!

    I understand there is a fear of “appeasement” since Hitler but, every radical/alternative needs to be taken in their own context.

  136. February 24, 2015 8:57 am

    “”By choosing to foster fear and division, by failing to embrace truly meaningful security recommendations such as a gun crackdown, Abbott has inadvertently exposed his weakness, not his strength.

    If we withdraw the benefit of the doubt, we see a failing leader merely posturing on national security in a sad effort to hold his job.””

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-national-security-address-a-siren-call-to-the-nation-20150223-13mmqo.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-13omn1677-edtrl-other:nnn-17/02/2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o&sa=D&usg=ALhdy28zsr6qiq

  137. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 9:09 am

    This from your link reb (to hartcher of all people)

    is it a prime minister’s job to engender fear among his people? Isn’t that the terrorists’ job?

    If even tools like hartcher can see it, it’s even more obvious than I guessed.

  138. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 9:19 am

    Media Watch did a piece on the misrepresentation of the Sarah Ferguson interview with hockey after the budget.

    Well, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Even if it’s as one-sided as Chris Kenny’s and Andrew Bolt’s often is.

    But it’s worth pointing out that Colleen Ryan’s final conclusion actually gave the ABC a pretty clean bill of health, saying:

    “In my assessment, the overall quality of the Budget coverage was excellent.

    … I found no hint in any of the coverage that either stated or implied that any perspective was the editorial opinion of the ABC.

    — ABC Editorial Review no 4, February, 2015”

    Ryan also praised Ferguson’s professionalism, saying the ABC host had done a fine job on Budget night in difficult circumstances.

    Her interview with Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen, said Ryan, had been similarly tough and aggressive.

    And, issues of tone aside, she concluded:

    “Ferguson is an intelligent and incisive interviewer.

    … who treats both sides of politics in the same manner and gives no sense of where her own political views may lie. Scrutiny is an important element of quality current affairs television and Ferguson performs this admirably.

    — ABC Editorial Review no 4, February, 2015”

    All in all, a pretty good reference.

    Note: She treats both sides of politics in the same manner.

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4185606.htm

    If only the msm would treat both sides of a story the same, instead of lying to us about them. Like the recent yabot crap from the oz. Who cares about unsauced “allegations”. There’s enough actual failures in plain site without having to make shit up, as is the lolstralians wont.

  139. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 9:34 am

    And I see that the lolstralian, the bastion of makingshitup, is running a story about someone “threatening” to take media watch to court. Sounds familiar.

    ACOUSTIC expert Steven Cooper is considering launching legal action against the ABC’s Media Watch program for its portrayal of him and his research on the effect of the Pacific Hydro wind turbines on local residents.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/legal-move-threatened-over-media-watch-report/story-fna045gd-1227234600320

    Except, I’m guessing it won’t get past the “threatening” stage.

    As for the rest of the lols story

    Other experts lined up to slam the report included the Australian National University’s Jacqui Hoepner and Will Grant, who wrote about it for The Conversation. Grant has a PhD in politics and Hoepner is a journalist and neither has either acoustic or medical training.

    Except, that’s not entirely accurate.

  140. February 24, 2015 9:47 am

    Hartcher: “Perhaps more notable than Abbott’s promises of action are his omissions. Just one day earlier he brought down the findings of an official review into the Monis hostage-taking in Martin Place.

    “Among other sensible recommendations, the review called on the federal and state governments to “give further consideration to measures to how to deal with illegal firearms”. The authorities estimate that there are a quarter of a million illegal guns in Australia today.

    “This would surely be a prudent measure that would curb the risk posed by criminals of all kinds, including terrorists. What did Abbott say on this? Nothing. The politics of this are too hard for a weakened conservative.”

    Too hard for any politician, I’d say. Illegal firearms are just that: illegal. What would Hartcher propose the government do? House to house searches? Of every residence, or just those of people that fit a certain profile?

    John Howard’s laws made illegal that which was previously legal. Current governments can’t make illegal guns any more illegal than they already are.

  141. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:12 am

    What would Hartcher propose the government do? House to house searches? Of every residence, or just those of people that fit a certain profile?

    yabot used to have all the answers. Until he was forced to show them that is.

    TONY Abbott has accused Julia Gillard of aiding and abetting a “reign of terror” and gun crime across western Sydney, linking 88 drive-by shootings to cuts in the border protection budget.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-aiding-reign-of-terror/story-fn59niix-1226299768563

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:17 am

    BOOOOOOOOM!

    And finally, the Prime Minister’s absence did not go unnoticed: many users pointed out that the self-appointed Minister for Women was curiously missing from one of the most poignant national conversations Australia has ever had.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/rosie-batty-launches-frank-and-heartbreaking-conversation-about-domestic-violence/story-fncynjr2-1227236263041

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:20 am

    All the more reason to me, to do away with all religion and hold people accountable for their own thoughts and actions, make them self-responsible, with nowhere to hide.

    Hear! Hear!

  144. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:28 am

    I’m glad that yabots failure on womens issues was AGAIN highlighted TB

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:30 am

    Interesting insights …

    All the more reason to me, to do away with all religion and hold people accountable for their own thoughts and actions, make them self-responsible, with nowhere to hide.

    So how come leftists like Mussolini and Hitler are fascists? And I suppose Putin is as well?

    It is far better to have their views out in public than to drive them underground.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Too hard for any politician, I’d say. Illegal firearms are just that: illegal. What would Hartcher propose the government do? House to house searches? Of every residence, or just those of people that fit a certain profile?

    John Howard’s laws made illegal that which was previously legal. Current governments can’t make illegal guns any more illegal than they already are.

    Exactly, ToSY … couldn’t have put it better myself!!

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:31 am

    Very funny here!

    But we’re a long way from being ruled by fascists.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:36 am

    I’m glad that yabots failure on womens issues was AGAIN highlighted TB

    I’m glad that the subject was discussed so intelligently and empathetically … for personal reasons …

    But on the same issue … y’know I wake up each morning and think – “NowI wonder what The Mad Abbott has stuffed up today …”

    I’m rarely never disappointed surprised …

    The man has to go!

    Did I read above 68% disapproval … what are the dorks in the Liberal Party thinking?

    His shit doesn’t just stink … it’s putrid it’s rotten … it’s toxic.

    Unless they do something pretty quickly the LNP deserve to stay in the political wilderness for a very long time!

  148. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:39 am

    I note that Gillian Triggs is currently pouring a bucket of shit in estimates.

    BOOOOOOOOM! indeed.

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:41 am

    “do away with all religion “

    How would you do that exactly? Go house to house burning bibles? A number of leftist atheist totalitarian regimes have already tried this.

    “hold people accountable for their own thoughts and actions”

    Your inner fascist is showing. Be fucked if I give a shit what some dumb progressive thinks of my thoughts and actions.

    “make them self-responsible”

    I am “self-responsible”. I live my life according to my own lights and, unlike our finger-wagging thought police, I respect other peoples’ right to do the same. Even dumb progressives.

    “with nowhere to hide.”

    I am not hiding! Here I am, out and proud and a whole lot happier than the narcissistic nihilistic nomenklatura trying to impose their victimist view of the world on the rest of us from their pampered perches in the institutions of society.

    “Hear! Hear!”

    Say what????

  150. February 24, 2015 10:51 am

    “”Here I am, out and proud””

    Good for you SB, good for you…

  151. February 24, 2015 11:01 am

    “How would you do that exactly?”

    The same thing crossed my mind, but then I realised nobody could seriously entertain the possibility of eliminating all religion. It’s a Marxist-Leninist fantasy.

  152. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:10 am

    Here I am, out and proud

    Let’s hope the weathers warm there 😉

  153. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:25 am

    “Let’s hope the weathers warm there”

    I’ll just bend over and let the sun shine forth.

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:42 am

    “Unless they do something pretty quickly the LNP deserve to stay in the political wilderness for a very long time!”

    Why?

    It was Labor who trashed our borders. It was Labor who allowed 50,000 boat people in costing us $12B housing all these people.

    It was Labor who took unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8%.

    It was Labor who trashed our car manufacturing industry with locally made cars going from 25% of the market to 10% in just 6 years.

    It was Labor who trashed our budget wasting billions of dollars.

  155. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:42 am

    lol

  156. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:45 am

    More lolz

    When asked how yabot has “changed”, his Senate leader Eric Abetz had to take the question on notice. Priceless look from Wong at the end

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:49 am

    I am “self-responsible”. I live my life according to my own lights and, unlike our finger-wagging thought police, I respect other peoples’ right to do the same. Even dumb progressives.

    As do we all …

    But if that’s the case why do ALL religious institutions in this country get special treatment?

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 11:59 am

    Typical Wong – cynically wasting time scoring cheap points.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:02 pm

    Genius argument! And women are more likely to die from a heart attack than domestic violence…

    Women are more likely to die from DV than terrorism, that’s kinda the issue, big frights put on about terror while the government defunds women’s centres and the police look the other way while women are terrorised, held in siege conditons and murdered in their own homes.

    …I am not hiding! Here I am, out and proud and a whole lot happier than the narcissistic nihilistic nomenklatura trying to impose their victimist view of the world on the rest of us from their pampered perches in the institutions of society…

    You don’t sound happy at all, I reject that claim!
    You wouldn’t have a clue whether you’re happier than me, anyone else on this blog or “the narcissistic nihilistic nomenklatura trying to impose their victimist view of the world on the rest of us from their pampered perches in the institutions of society.” Obviously angry diatribe is the new happy!

    “How would you do that exactly?

    We could start with:

    Education
    Cease taxpayer funding of all religious advancement, stop the free ride.
    Get religious organisations out of public schools and no taxpayer funding for theirs.
    Have the secular state undertake their own social responsibilities such as feeding and housing the poor, the homeless, caring for the elderly, and the mentally ill etc.
    Leave religion on it’s own, to grow by itself and the funding of it’s supporters .

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:06 pm

    What special treatment in particular?

    Some of it is OTT, some justified and some just historical. Most of the population is religious. But even sceptics and rationalist societies and quasi-religious greenie organisations get tax breaks.

    Basically governments should stay out of religion.

  161. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:16 pm

    cynically wasting time scoring cheap points.

    You mean like asking someone to explain comments from the PM?

    Yea, he should just say anything and be let off ROFL

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:39 pm

    Organised religion feeds off the poor, the hopeless, the uneducated and those who can’t cope.

    …Some of it is OTT, some justified and some just historical. Most of the population is religious…

    OTT and historical is no reason to keep funding religion. I would argue about justified as well. Taxpayers have shown time and time again that they don’t wish to fund the purple economy.

    Most of the population is religious.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/fotinopoulos-why-does-the-church-still-get-a-free-ride/4918626

    …More recently, a worldwide poll conducted by Win-Gallup International, found that 48 per cent of Australians said they were not religious; 10 per cent declared themselves “convinced atheists”; and 5 per cent did not know or did not respond. Only 37 per cent were religious…

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:46 pm

    But even sceptics and rationalist societies and quasi-religious greenie organisations get tax breaks.

    And shouldn’t! And they do pay some tax.

    Basically governments should stay out of religion.

    I think that’s back to front … if only religion stayed out of politics …

    Gotta go and check on the faeries at the pond …

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:47 pm

    “”Here I am, out and proud””

    Good for you SB, good for you…

    Ooops … missed the sarc in the little flurry above … chuckle! 😉

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:48 pm

    What about al these new religions that crop up all the time? The crackpot cults that we fund because they claim to be a religion? They have to be funded simply because religion is funded. It is a fraud upon the taxpayers and they completely get away with it.
    The government doesn’t even ask them to account for the money they give them. I think labor has tried with new regulations, but the libs are busy undoing them.
    Any rip off merchant and ‘entrepreneur’ can claim ‘religion’ just to take advantage of the tax exemptions and live a wealthy, privileged life courtesy of taxpayers.

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 12:54 pm

    Here’s a radical idea. Maybe the best way to stop terrorism is to stop funding the religion that supposedly supports it. Why should taxpayers fund their own terror??

    You can’t stop funding one without stopping it for all of them though.

  167. February 24, 2015 12:54 pm

    “Any rip off merchant and ‘entrepreneur’ can claim ‘religion’ just to take advantage of the tax exemptions and live a wealthy, privileged life courtesy of taxpayers.”

    You mean like Rebitology?

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:09 pm

    Why do lefties hate religion but seem to be supportive of Islam?

    Could it be that Islam is the natural enemy of Jews and Christians?

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:10 pm

    You mean like Rebitology?

    exactly 😉

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:11 pm

    …Why do lefties hate religion but seem to be supportive of Islam?…

    Just shows you don’t bother reading the comments, you just troll and bait.
    I’ll continue to ignore.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:13 pm

    Why should taxpayers fund their own terror??

    Firing! KL … best comment yet!

    (Note: Ignore the stupid troll ramblings!)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When thieves fall out …

    Ms Credlin could not do anything without the authority of the Prime Minister so any complaints should be directed to him.

    Mr Loughnane and Ms Credlin form a partnership credited with being a significant force in bringing the Liberals from the 2007 rout to government in 2013.

    Prime Minister Abbott consults and respects both and today repeated he was not going to break up his team — mainly a reference to Ms Credlin.

    However, as long as his chief of staff is seen as a obstacle to the Government in 2015 regaining its electoral strength, the greater the pressure on the party organisation, headed by Mr Loughnane, to resolve the matter.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/pms-marital-woes-could-brian-loughnane-ask-tony-abbott-to-sack-peta-credlin/story-fns0jze1-1227236743145

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:33 pm

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:40 pm

    “Why should taxpayers fund their own terror??”

    Exactly.

    First step is to abolish all organisations promoting multiculturalism.

  174. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:44 pm

    One would hope when yabots in Syria he doesn’t get in a fight

  175. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 1:45 pm

    First step is to abolish all organisations promoting multiculturalism.

    Wow, how did we end up there?

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:00 pm

    Wow, how did we end up there?

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:14 pm

    But, but, but…

    • He’s innocent
    • Wait until he makes his “comprehensive statement” to parliament
    • Think of the baby
    • It’s a media beat up
    • There’s no proof
    • Thom(p)son
    • Wait for the court case
    • Wait for the appeal
    • Everyone uses their employer’s credit card to pay for prostitutes
    • Gillard has “complete confidence” in him

    Craig Thomson agrees to pay $25,000 court fine within two years

    Former federal MP Craig Thomson has staved off the threat of jail time by striking a deal to pay his $25,000 court fine within two years.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/craig-thomson-agrees-to-pay-25000-court-fine-within-two-years-20150224-13n8uc.html

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:15 pm

    Nothing wrong with the Hollies. Graeme Nash is a fantastic singer.

    OTOH, multiculturalism is a divisive social evil promoting the tribalisation of society. Thousands of teenage girls were abused in the UK because authorities were too scared of the multiculti mafia to take action. What has multiculturalism given Europe? Massive increases in rape and violent crime and anti-Semitism because, like, you know, Islamophobia. All cultural practices are not equal and some are rotten and should be called out as such.

  179. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:26 pm

    multiculturalism is a divisive social evil promoting the tribalisation of society

    Well, if you are a racist, it might seem that way.

    Illegal is still illegal, and now ALL cultural practices are assimilated, no matter how much you want to think they are.

    Is it perfect, of course not, but far better than just stamping out any culture with some barbaric rituals.

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:34 pm

    “Illegal” didn’t help the young girls of Rotheram. Multiculturalism hurt them and helped their persecutors.

  181. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 2:54 pm

    Multiculturalism hurt them and helped their persecutors.

    No, people breaking the law did that. Trying to pin it on Multiculturalism is futile and will likely miss the real reason, which is most probably a combination of Class and misogyny

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:09 pm

    Because the majority of perpetrators were known to be Asian or of Pakistani heritage, several council staff described themselves as being nervous about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others, the report noted, “remembered clear direction from their managers” not to make such identification.[29] One Home Office researcher, attempting to raise concerns with senior police officers in 2002 about the level of abuse, was told not to do so again, and was subsequently suspended and sidelined.[30] The researcher told BBC Panorama that:

    …she had been accused of being insensitive when she told one official that most of the perpetrators were from Rotherham’s Pakistani community. A female colleague talked to her about the incident. “She said you must never refer to that again – you must never refer to Asian men. “And her other response was to book me on a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise my awareness of ethnic issues.”[15]

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:16 pm

    Of course a Labour pollie is going to blame it on class. She said:

    “Issues around gender and class were at the root of events in Rotherham, together with the ease of covering up scandals in a one-party town.” What party would that be???

  184. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:33 pm

    And of course, those that failed in their duty of care will try and blame it on a word.

  185. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:38 pm

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:43 pm

    And those who did their duty but were persecuted by the multiculti mafia for doing so?

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:54 pm

    Same thing happened here with the ALP staffer who outed ALP paedophile Orkopoulos. She was persecuted by the party for doing the right thing.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 3:55 pm

    I suppose this does take the conversation away from The Mad Abbott … but he’s still as mad as a cut snake …

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 4:06 pm

    “Trying to pin it on Multiculturalism is futile and will likely miss the real reason, which is most probably a combination of Class and misogyny”

    It is no surprise that a Labour politician would blame it on anything but political correctness given that the British mass immigration program was essentially designed to import a Labour-voting underclass with the added benefit of “rubbing the right’s nose in diversity”.

    That was also Keating’s project and why he allowed that wonderful culture-enricher Sheikh Hilali to stay here in spite of departmental advice to the contrary.

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 4:14 pm

    Abbott reached the point of no return with the Prince Philip knighthood. It was in one sense trivial but it was also the point when he moved from politician to punchline, when the entire electorate saw him has a laughing stock. There is no way back now the public has ceased to take him seriously.

  191. armchair opionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 4:54 pm

    Not that any white males have ever sexually assaulted, raped or gang banged any women. Of course it’s only ‘ethnics’ who do stuff like that!

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 5:13 pm

    “Not that any white males have ever sexually assaulted, raped or gang banged any women. Of course it’s only ‘ethnics’ who do stuff like that!”

    Of course the PC crowd love that to happen. Every time there is a rape or murder they pray it is a white male perp. When the perp is from a designated victim group all the excuses come out including deeply stupid comments like the one you just made. It is precisely that fucking sick attitude that caused so many teenage girls to be raped in the UK. The whistleblowers were ignored and denigrated and the PC mongrels who told them to shut up get promoted. And they keep deflecting and denigrating and making dumb comments like the one you made so that the problem never gets properly addressed.

    But whatever else don’t offend the multiculti mafia:

    Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

    The fact is there is a massive social cost to importing large numbers of people from primitive backward societies. If we can’t afford the costs of properly integrating them then we should decrease the intake.

  193. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2015 5:27 pm

    Just to be clear KL, I’m not saying your comment isn’t true. It is irrelevant. It is a stupid talking point thrown out there to deflect attention from a serious problem.

    The fact is that thousands of girls, many in their early teens, were sadistically passed around, traded and raped by gangs of men. Because the gangs were predominantly composed of “little brown people” the authorities, fearing a backlash from the multiculti mafia, failed to take any meaningful action. The price of multiculturalism is not small and certainly not borne by its proponents and enforcers. They just go from one high-paying public sector job to another, making glib excuses as they go. As human beings they aren’t worth shitting on.

  194. armchair opionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 5:49 pm

    “…Just to be clear KL, I’m not saying your comment isn’t true. It is irrelevant. It is a stupid talking point thrown out there to deflect attention from a serious problem…”

    All sexual assault is relevant I think sb and it is all serious no matter what colour or ethnicity of the offender. I don’t want our own aussie predators to slip by unnoticed and not condemned.

    Sorry, I’m not able to pay much attention, I’m at work. Are you talking about here in oz or the UK? How do you know the authorities would behave the same here?

    The last ones we had were some Lebanese men who were pretty nasty if I recall. They are in prison for a really long time or possibly life aren’t they?

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 6:06 pm

    Of course the PC crowd love that to happen. Silly comment … no one supports rapists that I know …

    Every time there is a rape or murder they pray it is a white male perp Stupid comment … just more over the top than the last …

    When the perp is from a designated victim group all the excuses come out including deeply stupid comments like the one you just made.

    Deeply stupid???

    Then you did a double take …

    Just to be clear KL, I’m not saying your comment isn’t true. It is irrelevant. It is a stupid talking point thrown out there to deflect attention from a serious problem.

    “Stupid talking point” -The original comment that KL challenged or her actual comment?

    Rape is about power & control!

    Whatever race, creed or culture you pretend to be part of.

    Personally I’d be happy to support the death penalty for rapists and paedophiles … waste of space, time and money – all of them … and 90% male (certainly wouldn’t call ’em men) …

  196. February 24, 2015 7:22 pm

    Abbott is a laughing stock

  197. February 24, 2015 8:34 pm

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 9:02 pm

    Double dipping, ToSY … tut. tut … 🙂

    It is what it is?

  199. February 24, 2015 9:45 pm

    Well let me have a stab..
    *Extreme white ring..tick
    *Authoritarian…tick
    * Intolerant of others views and non conciliatory..tick

    Extreme right-wing, authoritarian and intolerant views pretty much personifies the epitome of these dysfunctional autocratic sycophant apparatchiks…

  200. armchair opionator permalink
    February 24, 2015 10:35 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/24/tony-abbotts-death-cult-act-is-already-wearing-thin

    “…In his 17 months as prime minister Tony Abbott has addressed the topic of national security and terror on over 320 occasions, in media releases, speeches, doorstops, interviews, and so on.

    Abbott feels secure talking about security, but a seasoned theatre critic might think the whole death cult show is wearing a little thin – something like the 250,000th performance of The Mousetrap?…”

  201. February 24, 2015 10:48 pm

    Great article AO.. interesting it shut resident nutter Hall up too..

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:09 am

    Another self inflicted balls up!

    Labor refers Brandis to police over offer to Human Rights Commission president:
    http://theconversation.com/labor-refers-brandis-to-police-over-offer-to-human-rights-commission-president-37984

    …Is it really credible Abbott wasn’t briefed on the discussions with Triggs?

    The government is trying to force out the head of a statutory body, the issue is being fiercely contested at a committee hearing on the day, and the Prime Minister says he is not across it!

    If this is true, he is guilty of arrogance or negligence.

    Reflecting on the situation towards the end of the day, Brandis told the committee, “I don’t know where we go from here”. Indeed. The government, one might say, had stitched itself up…

  203. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 6:53 am

    Has anybody on the grubmint benches actually read the report do you think AO? All hey are doing is attacking, it is the only defense they know.

    I saw it on the news last night, which was quite vague, I had no idea Labor had taken it this far, it was just a shot of yabot saying Triggs hadn’t used the word “inducement”. But, when she elaborates, she really did all but, I guess perhaps not to perjure herself maybe?

    “inducement” : “a thing that persuades or leads someone to do something.”

    Triggs was careful to avoid describing the offer as an “inducement”. “I prefer not to use that term, especially as it is a legal term of art. At that time, I would not have been thinking along those lines at all. But I certainly, in a layman’s sense, saw it as a basis for motivation.” Not, however, one that motivated her.

    I recall watching her say this in a sidebar on a page yesterday and mentioned something about it back up thread. The news really just skimmed over it, but this I think could give the grubmint real headaches.

    Even IF you accepted the grubmints premise, the fact that they have ignored the contents speaks volumes for their character. They don’t give a flying fuck about the people in detention, kids or otherwise. The fact that their premise is a load of bollocks just makes them look even more cold hearted and self absorbed.

    The criminal code says it is an offence to offer “a benefit, or the promise of the provision of a benefit … with the intention of influencing a public official”.

    According to Triggs, Moraitis asked for her resignation, on behalf of Brandis, and offered her “other work with the government”. She said there was no doubt the resignation request and the work offer “were linked” and she considered the proposal “disgraceful” because the Human Rights Commission is an independent statutory authority. Asked whether she thought it was an inducement, she said, “I prefer not to use that term, especially since it is a term of legal art.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/24/liberals-senate-estimates-gillian-triggs-human-rights-commission

    And let’s not forget the lolstralians filthy attack on Triggs over the past months. They are just as bad, maybe worst, than the grubmint. At least we get to vote the grubmint out. The lolstralian is her for as long as murors other media arms can keep it here I would guess.

  204. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:26 am

    And in relation to murdors media arms, and his constant, hypocritical attack on “debt and deficit”

    I am worried about debt. I am worried about some of the things News Corporation newspapers are saying about debt. For most of its life, News Corporation has been up to its eyeballs in debt. That is how it grew big.

    In 1990, a few years after buying 20th Century Fox, it was paying more than $1 billion a year in interest. A billion dollars was an awful lot of money back then. News Corporation owed more than it was worth.

    …….

    Australia’s mining workforce has slid by 44,000 in the past year. The unemployment queue has climbed by 64,600. There are 100,000 more Australians unemployed than there were when Labor left office. Borrowing for big projects for which there are skills available makes complete sense. If the government is worried that the present ultra-low rates on offer will not last, it could borrow for 30 years instead of 10. Treasurer Joe Hockey suggested it in opposition.

    His job isn’t easy. But it isn’t helped by talk of a staggering debt crisis, when debt is one of the few things that could help.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/scaremongering-about-government-debt-is-not-helping-borrowing-more-might-20150223-13lvnd.html

  205. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:30 am

  206. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:41 am

    chris “bulldog” kenny shows both his lack of empathy AND understanding

    what a tool

  207. February 25, 2015 8:36 am

    Tom R, before I start; are you linking to that Peter Martin article approvingly?

  208. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:18 am

    C’mon tosy you don’t need my approval to start 😉

    But, I will also put this up, before you “start” 🙂

    the Australian Industry Group, which stated in a pre-budget submission that “Australia’s fiscal position is still sufficiently robust to permit the modest stimulus that is appropriate in the circumstances we are likely to face in 2015-16”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasure-joe-hockey-hangs-tough-despite-jobs-slump-20150213-13eaov.html

  209. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:21 am

    Public servants are still unsure how the Coalition’s climate policy will meet Australia’s emissions reduction target and are basing their confidence on achieving the goal on the country’s past performance on environmental policy.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/24/still-no-modelling-to-show-whether-direct-action-will-meet-emissions-target

    But the churnalists aren’t as finicky as the Public Servants, and seem happy with hunts assurances. Muppets.

    Although, it appears that this grubmint has already done much of the “heavy lifting” in tackling AGW

    However, environment minister Greg Hunt has pointed out that the decline in Australian manufacturing and energy efficiency measures means that the 5% task is falling, to around 421m tonnes of abated greenhouse gas by 2020.

    So simple, just kill the automotive and now defense industries (their only Union jobs anyway), and we’re well on our way to reductions.

    It’s Fucken GENIUS! 😯

  210. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:26 am

    This is a little interestment

    George Brandis in the hearing now is verging into Woodward and Bernstein territory. He says he had two sources indicating to him that Triggs (independently of any government considerations) was considering her position. One was Moriarty. (Sorry that was the Wong joke. I’ll desist immediately.) One was Moraitis. He says the commission was also, in essence, leaking against the president. He says numerous commission sources (who contacted the attorney-general on the condition of anonymity) told him that Triggs was considering resigning in order to protect the reputation of the commission. Therefore Brandis decided to act.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/feb/24/tony-abbott-facing-more-damaging-leaks-politics-live

    Forget the fact that his “two” sauces became Moriarty and “numerous” others (maybe hockey helped him out there?). It’s interesting that someone from within the commission is leaking to the libs. I wonder, has there been any appointments since the libs came to power to the commission that might have appeared …. questionable?

    And, what has timid wilson had to say about all this (publicly, that is)?

  211. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:30 am

    Great article AO.

    I AGREE!

    Ben Eltham nails it, with supporting evidence.

    Unfortunately, they deleted halls comment, (he just said he disagreed, but congratulates him on backing up his argument with evidence) but this applies to others too Ricky

    calyptorhynchus
    Posted Tuesday, February 24, 2015 – 20:18

    Yes, Iain we wait with bated breath for the sources that you can cite to disprove Ben’s article.

    ………………..waiting

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:31 am

    KL, the reason your “white men” comment was an irrelevant deflection is because the topic I was addressing was the impact of multiculturalism. I wasn’t saying white men don’t commit violent crime, including rape, but rather the problem of violent crime is exacerbated when multiculturalist prejudice prevents proper investigation of such crimes.

    “Are you talking about here in oz or the UK? How do you know the authorities would behave the same here?

    UK. One of those involved in the cover-up has now moved on to a job with the Victorian government.

    In Australia multiculti bullshit is often used to excuse or exculpate sex offenders:

    REGISTERED sex offender, Ali Jaffari, accused of attempted child-stealing, has had all charges against him dropped after a Magistrate told prosecutors he would have trouble finding Jaffari guilty.

    Magistrate Ron Saines said if he was hearing the matter, he would have reasonable doubt, citing ‘cultural differences’ as one factor, which would result in the charges being dismissed.

    Aboriginal peopel have suffered in the name of multiculturalism and continue to do so. What chance do you think kids have of academic or economic success if they are not taught English as a first language? And many children suffer because of they are taken from homes to be placed in the care of someone more culturally appropriate even if they are more at risk in that environment. Many more are denied protection because of the fear of another so-called stolen generation.

  213. February 25, 2015 9:34 am

    I’m not asking for your approval to start, Tom R. I want to know if you agree with what Peter Martin wrote. You know, to save any confusion once I tear him a new one point out where he’s wrong.

  214. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:41 am

    I’m not asking for your approval to start, Tom R.

    I gathered that tosy but, since you were being childish, I just thought I’d return in kind 🙂

    I don’t have a problem with some more modest borrowings in light of the current state of affairs.

    When unemployment is expanding beyond projections, and business conditions are weakening rather than strengthening, it seems to be the right thing to do, imo.

    ltdnews themselves, as shown, are not against the concept either, they just argue against it.

  215. February 25, 2015 9:55 am

    Martin tries to compare Fox’s debt position with that of the Australian government:

    “Fox owes 2.8 times its annual earnings, a sum that would make the Australian government blush.”

    Yes, (if an institution could even blush) it would blush with embarrassment end envy.

    Fox makes an annual profit (albeit before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) equal to just over a third of what it owes. If we assume Fox pays 10% interest on its debt (it probably doesn’t), and after depreciation and amortisation pays 30% company tax (it probably doesn’t), it could, if it paid no dividends in the interim, pay off all its debt in around five years.

    Now compare this to the Australian government. The Australian government makes no profit (surplus). It is losses (deficits) as far as the eye can see, and no realistic prospects of a surplus, no matter what party is in government.

    So we can pay off our debt: NEVER!

    Martin at least acknowledges we have a deficit problem, but he’s a debt denier.

    The government securities already on issue will need to be paid out when their redemption date arrives. The only possible way the government can do this is issue more securities. We are paying off one credit card with another one. Anybody who has even a skerrick of knowledge about money-management knows this is a recipe for disaster.

    What kind of economic fuckwit advocates more debt – for some airy-fairy make-work stimulus-type ‘projects’ he can’t even name, with a rate of return he cannot quantify – when we have no plan or remote prospect of ever paying off our existing massive debt (which, in Commonwealth Government Secirities alone, will be $470 Billion by 2017-18)?

    I’m flabbergasted these people are actually paid to write about economics.

  216. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:19 am

    The Australian government makes no profit (surplus)

    Costello will be surprised to hear you say that.

    So we can pay off our debt: NEVER!

    Or if we get more tax intake (think Carbon Price, Mining Tax, fbt rorts)

    I’m flabbergasted these people are actually paid to write about economics.

    Me too. They should just blog 🙂

  217. February 25, 2015 10:58 am

    “Costello will be surprised to hear you say that.”

    I said <i<makes no surplus (present tense), not has never made a surplus.

    “Or if we get more tax intake (think Carbon Price, Mining Tax, fbt rorts)”

    No surprise your solution is more taxes. That’s always Labor’s modus operandi: tax and spend. And you are, after all, a rusted-on Labor barracker (by your own admission).

    At least you implicitly acknowledge a problem. Here’s an idea: how about we stop spending more than we’ve got. That might be a good first step to moving the budget back in the surplus direction.

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:32 am

    It is what it is?

    Grrrr! 😉

    …KL, the reason your “white men” comment was an irrelevant deflection is because the topic I was addressing was the impact of multiculturalism. I wasn’t saying white men don’t commit violent crime, including rape, but rather the problem of violent crime is exacerbated when multiculturalist prejudice prevents proper investigation of such crimes…

    It’s not irrelevant to any woman sb, but I take your point. I’m not aware of anything like that happening here, have there been such cases? In any case, of course proper investigation needs to be carried out, the public and the victim/families expect that. If people in authority are too gutless or too close to the problem to do their jobs they need to be booted.
    How many investigations, not just multicultural types, don’t get done properly because of police prejudice, police protecting their own and their mates, political interference etc anyway? I can’t for the life of me understand why we would have police investigating their own, to me that is open to cover-up and corruption. Why isn’t there an independent body?

    [crikey]
    …Senior statutory appointees fall out with governments, and new governments like to replace appointees with their own; there is nothing new in a government wanting to remove an appointee but being frustrated that his or her statutory term does not end for several years. Why Brandis, the oleaginous Brisbane lawyer who has constantly proven a poor performer even by the Abbott government’s lamentable standards, didn’t have the courage to pick up the phone to Triggs himself rather than dispatch a public servant to convey his resignation request is perhaps something for the Attorney-General to explain…

    Which brings me to another crikey read.

    I hope I get around copyright by ensuring that this piece is attributed to guy rundle of crikey
    [sorry for long cut & paste, please scroll past if bored]

    Rundle: we are watching the throes of a dying govt, and it is so good:

    …How good is this? Seriously, how good is it? I know I should start a piece about the Abbott government in some more serious vein, about the new stuff about redrawing the line between security and freedom being the desperate act of a dying government but no less dangerous for that, but ehhhh …

    Whatever advantage the Abbott government gets from another plunge into national security politics is being offset by the uproar it’s creating in Muslim community circles, the further disquiet in wider multicultural power networks and the consequent panic in the same backbenchers who had to cop the flak during the 18C debate.

    As is usual today, it’s difficult to tell how much is planned and how much is Abbott putting that extra 10% on the top and cancelling whatever political advantage may have been gained. By now Abbott’s distinctive combination — surplus aggression and surplus sycophancy — should be utterly familiar. It’s had the exact effect here that it always does.

    The whole point of national security politics is to move with gravitas, as if this is sheer statesmanship by the natural party of government. Fanging it on Muslim community leaders, who all but the most blinkered can see have bent over backwards to tackle Islamist radicalisation, is a) sucking up to the people who want you to go in harder, gain some advantage, b) finding an outlet for your surplus aggression; and thus c) looking like a dickh– a hothead.

    Well, maybe it’s good for a coupla points. But for how long? Abbott looks exactly like Howard did in 2007. Nothing works. Magic acts only work when you like the magician, hence the show and the glamorous assistant (who appears to remain unsackable). When you stop liking him, show’s over — he’s just a bloke with a rabbit down his pants.

    There’s now far too much happening to contain in a single narrative. Seven ministers previously loyal announce that Abbott’s on notice. The party’s treasurer says he didn’t sit through years of meetings with blue rinses and loonies to put up with the dysfunctional threesome at the heart of power. We should ask them to pace it out, so we have something to read on the weekend.

    Meanwhile the collapse of trust between the news-propaganda wing of the Right and the propaganda-propaganda wing widens even further. John Lyons’ backgrounded piece claiming that Abbott had explored the option of a unilateral Australian anti-Islamic State mission in Iraq involving 3500 troops gained two reactions: 1) Greg Sheridan saying “well of course he did, don’t be stupid”; and 2) Andrew Bolt saying “well of course he didn’t, don’t be stupid”.

    Bolt’s reasoning on this is particularly specious: he claims that since the alleged conversation is claimed to have taken place in late November 2014, after American and other support troops had already been committed, it could not have been unilateral, so there. But as Lyons’ report made clear, Abbott’s inquiry was about a full independent military force, going after IS, which is quite a different thing.

    Which seemed to be what Greg Sheridan was saying, although really, the piece was so self-parodic — Sheridan has enough self-parodies for a slim Christmas stocking-filler by now — it was really hard to tell. The man seems to have taken on Zhdanov’s wager: if you’re going to abase yourself and turn all your intelligence to the service of political kitsch, commit to it totally, make it your project.

    Sheridan presumably believes Abbott to be a goner now, and all he has left to do is throw himself on the rock-hard corpse (“has rigor mortis set in?” “It’s Tony Abbott, how would you tell?”). Speaking of Sheris, even Markson got a piece of the action, with table talk in the media section reporting that John Howard had told what sounds like a dinner party in hell, or, y’know, Deepdene, that he couldn’t understand why Tony Abbott hadn’t become more prime ministerial. Yes, what is it about the deadbeat-teenage-dad-Oxford-blue-failed priest-mediaevalist-who-lives-in-the-police-college that could possibly have suggested difficulties in adjusting to changing realities?

    The leaks come so fast now that they take on a compulsive and occult quality. This appears to be less an attempt to position or influence than simply to disown. At some point it becomes a matter of personal shame to have it believed of you that you believed in Tony Abbott. An anecdote, a rumour or, best of all, hard fact, as to his ineptitude or doubtful sanity serves as a sacrificial offering, a token of separation. “Me? I was never fooled. I heard he was a trucker on the Belanglo Forest … ”

    With the exception of Sheridan, who’s in love, and utterly counter-productive, the only two water-carriers willing to bail Tony out are the Bolter and Gollum Henderson. Gollum, he of the Ratty Room In A Terrace House Institute, is always careful and has of late confined himself to pointing out that Tony Abbott was not the only politician to use the term “Holocaust” for things they didn’t like. True, but all the others weren’t being scrutinised by their close colleagues for evidence of poor judgement at the time. Gollum is, in his own way, backing away from Mr Tony too.

    But the Bolter! The Bolter is going in hard for Tony. He’s doing magnificently. For what he’s doing for Tony, he should get a Tony. Having attacked the integrity and reliability of The Australian (“The Oz can’t run this bull and not say sorry”), he went on 2GB and described Lyons and others as “far-Left journalists”. Ladies, gentlemen, welcome to the far Left. Smocks are over there. Barista class in five minutes. I hope you like lentils.

    There are three possibilities from this malarkey: 1) The Bolter is deranged and genuinely believes they are far-leftists, 2) The Bolter believes his own publicity and thinks he has more power than the Newscrap hierarchy; or 3) The Bolter knows something, i.e. that Chris Mitchell’s editorship is in the terminal ward, and can afford to go in hard. Interesting.

    Also interesting and deranged at the same time has been the outbreak of bitter right-wing elitism that followed the Queensland election and the spill. It’s ably covered by Jeff Sparrow in The Guardian, but I propose to go over all the details again in loving detail tomorrow, because it is so good.

    It is all so good…

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:52 am

    Turnbull gives the knife another twist.

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:04 pm

    Recently controversial Willie Soon makes no. 10 on the poster [pdf]

    http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Heartland-58-Experts-DeSmog-Remix.pdf

    Willie Soon, Ph.D. USA
    Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering. Astronomer since
    1992. Every grant he received at least between 2002
    and 2013 has been from oil or coal interests.
    Published a deeply flawed paper on climate in 2003,
    leading to the resignation of several editors

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:12 pm

    Reflecting on the situation towards the end of the day, Brandis told the committee, “I don’t know where we go from here”. Indeed. The government, one might say, had stitched itself up…

    And he’s the Attorney-General? Jesus wept!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … it would blush with embarrassment end envy.

    I think you mean “and envy” …

    What kind of economic fuckwit advocates more debt

    Stop all banks lending money … call in all the mortgages …

    Unfortunately the world (of Uber Kapitalism) RUNS on debt* …

    Unfortunately countries are not businesses nor households … they are cyclic value multipliers if they run the budget correctly … eg maintain the development of society and the economy by assisting where appropriate and balancing debt and income with expenditure … it all depends on whose pockets the government of the day chooses to piss in …

    Its pretty obvious that the present government chooses to piss all over the weaker, poorer, uneducated, unemployed and older Australians … and shit all over its international neighbours … we all ready know who has wet pockets …

    What kind of economic fuckwit advocates more debt – for some airy-fairy make-work stimulus-type ‘projects’ he can’t even name, with a rate of return he cannot quantify

    Like the Green Army? Or Direct Action?

    (think Carbon Price, Mining Tax, fbt rorts)

    Good point … BHPB’s half year profit – $4.2 billion … a couple of % of that would have helped … especially if this government had the balls to extend the tax to the bloodsuckers banks …

    There is good debt and bad debt … building railways and roads to improve commerce and travel or funding health & education to improve the nation … or buying bombers, submarines and armoured vehicles – for what?

    Take yer pick …

    *(Disclaimer: Personally we’ve been debt free for 30 years – paid off two mortgages – this is our second home.)

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:16 pm

    Rundle’s article, like Rundle himself, is stupid. He should stick to doing what he does best, defending pederasts like Polanski.

    He seems more interested in his own schadenfreude and displaying his palid sense of humour than making any substantive points. FMD, even Mad Mike Carlton is funnier than this shite.

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:16 pm

    “The main point is about the children”

    Toooooo funny.

    If it was the Coalition who locked all these kids up the main point would be about the evil Coalition govt.

    Lefties have no ethics.

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:24 pm

    Morrison’s hard at work I see …

    THE welfare system is expensive and cumbersome and the Government is considering hacking it back from 20 benefits to a basic five in a “major redesign”.

    The dole would become a tiered Working Age Payment. There would be Supported Living Pension, a means tested Child and Youth Payment, a Carer Payment and the Age Pension.

    Social Services Minister Scott Morrison today is releasing a detailed final report into the $150 billion welfare system by Patrick McClure, the former head of Mission Australia.

    I’m still wondering a bit about this statement …

    The cost of paying benefits to the Budget also is a problem. Mr Morrison said of the 10.1 million Australian income tax payers, eight million pay that tax to fund the $150 billion bill.

    “If Australia keeps going this way, it will inevitably reach 10 out of 10 income tax payers,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/welfare-system-to-be-reformed-mcclure-report-released/story-e6frflo9-1227238082865

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:27 pm

    “Its pretty obvious that the present government chooses to piss all over the weaker, poorer, uneducated, unemployed and older Australians”

    No. They are trying to get us out of trouble.

    Trouble you created by voting Labor in 2007

  226. February 25, 2015 12:31 pm

    “Like the Green Army? Or Direct Action?”

    Yes, exactly like them. But Peter Martin can’t even think of one he’d advocate, yet he wants the government to borrow all this “free money”.

    Moron. .

  227. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:37 pm

    “Moron. .”

    And Peter Martin is the best of a bad bunch. Martin gets some things right from time to time.

    But Keane, Gordon, Koukoulas, Bongiorno, Jabba the hut, and lots of others lefties like to link to are all liars.

    Just like the people who link to these frauds.

  228. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:52 pm

    Yes, exactly like them. But Peter Martin can’t even think of one he’d advocate

    You’re sounding more and more like nIl every day tosy, it’s getting boring.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/17/rostrum-19/#comment-96251

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:05 pm

    Thanks for reminding me.

    You can add jericho and Pascoe to the list of liars and traitors to Australia.

  230. February 25, 2015 1:12 pm

    “tosy, it’s getting boring.”

    What’s boring is how you keep linking to the ghostly trio who advocate more borrowing, but can’t actually pit their finger on what the money should be used for. Just that it’s cheap money, so we should grab it!

    (By the way, do they think the government isn’t already borrowing money at the prevailing – relatively low – interest rates, just to meet general government expenditure?)

  231. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:17 pm

    but can’t actually pit their finger on what the money should be used for

    Except of course for

    In education, in health, in the delivery to railway lines into suburbs that are at present barely accessible

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/17/rostrum-19/#comment-96251

    maybe I should have Linked! to that earlier 😉

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:20 pm

    … but can’t actually pit their finger

    I think you meant … “put” …

  233. February 25, 2015 1:25 pm

    “the delivery to railway lines into suburbs that are at present barely accessible”

    I think you’ll find those are state government responsibilities.

  234. February 25, 2015 1:26 pm

    ‘I think you meant … “put” …’

    Thanks for the corrections. I’ll be sure to repay the favour.

  235. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:29 pm

    those are state government responsibilities.

    Wow, so now we are arguing the jurisdiction of non existent projects.

    I’ll call that progress (although other terms might be more appropriate)

  236. February 25, 2015 1:40 pm

    Guffaw!

    Your gurus are urging the federal government to issue more securities (borrow more money) to spend on what?

    Education: they already do that. In fact, I recall something called Gonski which was supposed to allocate more expenditure to education.

    Health: They already do that: “Health is a key area of spending growth. Health spending is currently 4.1 per cent of GDP, but the Productivity Commission recently estimated that, without changes to Government policy, over time this would rise to 7.0 per cent.” http://www.budget.gov.au/2014-15/content/glossy/health/download/Health.pdf

    This is all being paid for by tax receipts and the issuing of government securities at – guess what interest rate? – whatever the prevailing rate is at the time of issue, which, at the moment, is relatively low.

    Then we have trains to suburbs.

  237. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:44 pm

    but the Productivity Commission

    GUFFAW

    There have been numerous articles exposing the lie about our spending on Health, it is not growing (GDP wise)

    Education also can do with spending, and our Rail system badly needs it.

    There are many examples of Fed funding on local issues, especially railways. And allowing people in outer suburbs to commute cheaper and faster will only increase productivity.

    Productivity Commission

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  238. February 25, 2015 1:47 pm

    “There have been numerous articles exposing the lie about our spending on Health”

    By who, Peter Martin?

  239. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:01 pm

    By who, Peter Martin?

    lol

    At least you still have your sense of humour 😉

    there’s no real evidence that the Australian economy is unable to accommodate likely growth in health spending.

    http://theconversation.com/abbott-redux-needs-to-revisit-sustainable-health-spending-36602

    So, I was wrong about it not growing as a percent of GDP, but not about it being the huge problem it is made up to be

    The composition of GDP varies with technology and demand, and increasingly (as agriculture and now manufacturing, decline in percentage terms), services – including health services – have expanded.

    http://theconversation.com/australias-unsustainable-health-spending-is-a-myth-26393

    So, it CAN be unsustainable, but it isn’t at the moment, or for the foreseeable future

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:14 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/treasury-to-take-on-unreasonable-estimates/story-e6frfku9-1227238976411

    Even senior PS Fat Cats are concerned about the spiffle that the present government’s SENIOR Ministers spout!

    Never seen this before … sign of the tymes (that’s a deliberate typo, ToSy & ToM)

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:22 pm

    Thanks for the corrections. I’ll be sure to repay the favour.

    Don’t bother … I value my time … 🙂

    “Health is a key area of spending growth. Health spending is currently 4.1 per cent of GDP, but the Productivity Commission recently estimated that, without changes to Government policy, over time this would rise to 7.0 per cent.”

    Always good to look at it in context … wonder what “defence” will rise to?

    The Minister for Defence, David Johnston, has asserted that the Budget sets the Government firmly on its way to achieving its stated target of spending 2 per cent of GDP on defence:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201415/DefenceBudget

    Mmmm … decisions, decisions … health or killing people in other countries – ADF ???

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:25 pm

    Productivity Commission
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Translation – Razor Gang …

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:27 pm

    “There have been numerous articles exposing the lie about our spending on Health”

    By who, Peter Martin?

    The Superhumans always make me giggle … to start with …

  244. February 25, 2015 8:36 pm

    “then I realised nobody could seriously entertain the possibility of eliminating all religion. It’s a Marxist-Leninist fantasy.”

    Yes, it cannot be eradicated. Just put back in its box & kept for those who wish to so indulge would be fine.

    ” Most of the population is religious. But even sceptics and rationalist societies and quasi-religious greenie organisations get tax breaks.

    Basically governments should stay out of religion.”

    I’d seriously dispute that ‘most’ of the (Australian) population is religious…and plenty of those that are ‘aren’t really’.

    As for calling greenie organisations ‘religious’, well that’s comical…and damning of ‘religion’ as a concept (a little counterproductive, no?…it reminds me of the lofty rhetorical device…I’m Not, You Are! so Nyaaah).

    Governments should ensure that religion stays out of them.

  245. February 26, 2015 5:17 am

    splatter”””””’Most of the population is religious.”””””#WRONG

    +

    via-armchair”””””””””#worldwide`#poll` conducted by Win-Gallup International, found that 48 per cent of Australians said they were not religious; 10 per cent declared themselves “convinced atheists”; and 5 per cent did not know or did not respond. Only 37 per cent were religious”””””””#interesting

    +

    #when it comes to having something designating `religion` on Aust birth certificates, sure splatters, 80-90% do have something `designated` by the `parents` of the new-born, more in the manner of `family-tradition`.

    #that does not make, nor mean that new-born `is` actually `religious` tho, often the parents aren`t either, often done to placate older family members. When it comes to being religious, as we slide thru the scale of `just-how-religious`, atheist, agnostic, non-believers, doubters, lukewarmers, tepids, and non-practicing-mild-believers are a much bigger group(70-80%maybe) to the (20-30%) of `devout`, solid-believers that practice their `faith` daily/weekly and vote or lobby for their `dog-club`. The majority only go to church for funerals and weddings etc.

  246. February 26, 2015 5:33 am

    #ha-ha””””””””””Tony Abbott has addressed the topic of national security and terror on over 320 occasions”””””””

    # l know l said previously mr-rabbit would flee to the `tewwa` topic as often he could, coz he`s crap on `local` topics.

    # But `320` times or more! FMD. Good to know the guardian is amusing itself keeping count.

  247. February 26, 2015 6:27 am

    armchair”””””””””the public and the victim/families expect that. If people in authority are too gutless or too close to the problem to do their jobs they need to be booted.”””””””””’

    #while l somewhat agree, l think a fair bit of this is muddled. Usually sex-crime-plod and `victim-support` workers seem to work hard and take their job very seriously. Where the wheels seem to fall off, is the courts and laws-enacted for sentencing.(ie-the-pollies)

    +

    AO””””””’How many investigations, not just multicultural types, don`t get done properly because of police prejudice,”””””””’

    #this seems to be the words of feminista talking-head types that flutter thru teabag-media when the usual media-sexy topics occur from time to time, while ignoring the systematic trampling of crime-victims, including the systematic misogyny against female-victims. (VIC, Jill Meager was 22nd victim of Bayley) and (NSW, female armed guard persecuted by system, after being beaten with rifle? by attacker/robber)

    +

    AO”””””””police protecting their own and their mates, political interference etc anyway?

    I can`t for the life of me understand why we would have police investigating their own, to me that is open to cover-up and corruption. Why isn’t there an independent body?”””””””””’

    # Fully agree. This is just as stupid as corporate self-(non)-regulation, and both high-light yet again, just how poorly the public is served by politicians, state/s and federal.

  248. February 26, 2015 7:20 am

    dunny”””””””’Yes, it cannot be eradicated. Just put back in its box & kept for those who wish to so indulge would be fine.””’#agree-LOL

    ”””””Governments should ensure that religion stays out of them.”””’#and their `treasury` too

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:18 pm

    Its seems we can’t defend ourselves anyway … incompetence all around!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/why-dont-our-top-defence-officials-understand-what-submarines-are-on-offer/story-fnpjxnlk-1227239418825

    Incredibly simple … you wouldn’t let theses turkeys fill up the bath (little own) play with ships and subs in it …

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:47 pm

    Wonder if The Mad Monk and The Acolytes have seen this story …

    1. Climate driven changes may be responsible for the widening of the earth’s tropical zone, which is currently the area between 30 degrees north and 30 degrees south.

    2. The estimation of expansion is between 138 to 277km per 25 years.

    3. For Australia, this means that the climate boundary between the tropics and the temperate zone will shift south. This then impacts other climate zones. As the tropics shift, the dry subtropical belt will shift south into areas that currently receive sufficient rain for agriculture and water supply.

    4. An implication of this is a drying trend for subtropical regions creating problems for water management and agriculture.

    5. Further, an expansion in the tracks of tropical cyclones would potentially mean pulling them further south to areas not previously affected by cyclones. This will cause problems for human health, the economy and biodiversity.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/cyclones-heading-south-was-marcia-just-a-taste-of-whats-to-come/story-fnjwvztl-1227240222096

    And Queensland still only has 30% of its power lines underground! What no brainer!

  251. February 26, 2015 5:25 pm

    Who’s running News.com and what have they done with Rupert? (Maybe he’s gone full Malcolm Fraser in his dotage.)

  252. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 6:32 pm

    Wow I just had a look at that list for Fascist regimes. I never realised that Curtin, Chifley and Billy Hughes ticked so many of those boxes.

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