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Abbott Govt Attack on Gillian Triggs Backfires

February 25, 2015

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I watched the Senate Estimates hearing into the HRC report yesterday and it was an absolute disgrace.. LNP thugs Ian Macdonald and Barry O’Sullivan just looked like archaic misogynistic boofheads desperate for a “gotcha moment”(which never eventuated) with O’Sullivan quipping “I thought you might like to hear from a man for a change” after Triggs faced questions from Penny Wong and Sarah Hanson Young.

Even Brandis, in his own unique pompous and self-satisfying style thought he was on to a good thing until Triggs gently rolled a hand grenade in his direction with the revelation that his sidekick Moriarty had offered her a plum job if she agreed to resign as President of the HRC.

Of course, Brandis was the architect behind this initiative, no doubt designed to eliminate Triggs from the investigation into Children in Detention and have the report shelved, however he had the good sense to despatch Moriarty to do his bidding.

The plot quickly unravelled with Brandis clearly rattled at having come up with some explanation as to how he thought that Triggs was both incompetent, yet worthy of being offered a top legal job somewhere else.  It was Monty Python material.

Moriarty enjoyed his own Godwin Gretch moment, with Brandis giving him enough rope to hang himself, at once attempting to explain that he had kept notes, but then hadn’t kept notes. Apparently there were notes. He just hadn’t kept them.

Ian Macdonald was clearly out of his depth, readily admitting that he hadn’t read the report yet here he was chairing an investigation into its contents.  On several occasions he attempted to have Sarah Hanson Young and Penny Wong ejected from the hearing – a manoeuvre they both rejected after politely informing him that he had no jurisdiction to make. In other words “get fucked.”

Throughout the entire sorry ordeal Gillian Triggs remained polite and dignified which simply made the LNP grunts look more desperate and Neanderthalic.

So the net result of this seven hour hearing that was designed to destroy Triggs’ reputation is that the AFP have been called in to investigate whether the job offer was an illegal inducement.

It would be fair to say it was a complete disaster for the LNP however you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise from the subsequent reports in the mainstream media.

 

 

 

 

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:42 am

    There are plenty of intelligent, polite, well spoken, socially responsible people who are also partisan (there are even a few who hang around here!)

    The fact that the Liberals are represented by crass loudmouths cloned from the 1950s doesn’t necessarily make Ms Triggs report nonpartisan.

  2. February 25, 2015 10:42 am

    During a rowdy committee session, chairman LNP senator Ian MacDonald condemned the HRC report on young asylum seekers in detention — but then admitted he hadn’t read it.
    “I haven’t bothered to read the final report because I think it is partisan,” Senator MacDonald told the hearing.
    There was outrage from non-Liberal senators on the committee when Liberal Barry O’Sullivan jokingly interrupted to say, “I thought you might like to hear a male voice.”
    The Government denied it had asked for Prof Triggs’ resignation in January, before the report was delivered. But he had wanted to know whether she would stay or go.

    Not often I quote Newscorp but that is a cracker…
    The end is nigh for these imbeciles…

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:42 am

    …or at least the timing of commencing the report.

  4. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:45 am

    …or at least the timing of commencing the report.

    I AGREE. The timing doesn’t mean anything about partisanship

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:47 am

    What were those 14 points from yesterday again?

  6. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:50 am

    Apparently there were notes. He just hadn’t kept them.

    Did he use a whiteboard perhaps?

  7. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:52 am

    What were those 14 points from yesterday again?
    I’m not getting the reference TB. I missed much of yesterday afternoon evening with this horrid thing called “life” 😦

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:53 am

    I haven’t read the report, I’d imagine it is well considered and reasonable for a statutory human rights organisation. However, Ms Triggs has said that she held back on commencing the report due to politics.

    This taints her motives, and begs the question – should investigation of serious human rights concerns be delayed due to political considerations?

  9. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 10:58 am

    I haven’t read the report,

    There seems to be a bit of that going around

    Ms Triggs has said that she held back on commencing the report due to politics.

    true, but the point to be noted it wasn’t because of Partisan politics. In fact, it was in order to try to be non-partisan. (You know, election and all)

    It may seem like a minor detail yomm, yet it is quite a major one when the discussion is over her partisanship (or not)

    Surprised you continually fail to note that 😉

  10. February 25, 2015 11:05 am

    “should investigation of serious human rights concerns be delayed due to political considerations?”

    If Labor’s in office, yes. Otherwise, no.

  11. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:09 am

    If election … wait

    Especially while the system is still open and any cases can be investigated 😉

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:10 am

    So if there are serious breaches of human rights that the statutory organisation is responsible for investigating… you think it’s ok to delay commencing for a year because of the political context?

    “Justice delayed is justice denied”

    That has tainted the report

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:16 am

    Triggs was elected in July 2012. There was no election in 2012.

    Does anybody believe that if the Coalition was in power with all these kids locked up that Triggs would have held off an enquiry?

  14. February 25, 2015 11:58 am

    Tom I have read the report (fuck wont get that part of my life back) the report is damming of both sides.. it is well partisan.
    Timing is everything. If this was released during the election.. it would obviously be a pointless exercise. Trigs met with Morrison and Bowen…
    This, like the pink bats, the union commission is a showtrial .. shoot the messenger.
    The facist movement could learn a thing or two from this lot…
    The only person who should resign is the attorney general…

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tim-wilson-nowhere-to-be-seen-or-heard-20150216-13g14i.html

  15. February 25, 2015 12:10 pm

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:12 pm

    It should never be forgotten that it was the ALP/Greens who locked all these kids up.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    And ALP/Greens locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:16 pm

    As I said, I don’t need to be persuaded that the report is rational, well considered, damning of government(s). Most senior lawyers and others are capable of producing compelling material.

    But the timing leaves it open to the very claims that are now being made. The timing accommodated the political imperatives and context, it was not even commenced under the government that was responsible for the most of the detention of asylum seekers.

    Ms Triggs, by accommodating the political context and timing, has facilitated the political attack – her actions allowed this distraction.

    No doubt she is capable of mounting a defense, but if she had shown a fearless ( free of political context) intention to investigate, we wouldn’t be experiencing this distraction from the contents of the report.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:19 pm

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:20 pm

  20. February 25, 2015 12:21 pm

    International condemnation of the Abbott Government’s bullying of Professor Triggs: http://goo.gl/NstzPc

  21. February 25, 2015 12:27 pm

    Hey Nills shut the fuck up ..you haves belched all that cancerous postulating bullshit ad nausea.. how about you read the fucking report and educate yourself you imbecilic repetitive troll…

  22. February 25, 2015 12:28 pm

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:28 pm

    I stand with Gillian Triggs, but the fact that I need to is frightening:
    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/opinions/i-stand-with-gillian-triggs-but-the-fact-that-i-need-to-is-frightening/201502245351#.VO0kGHzQqSo

    …As was pointed out several times yesterday, she was not solely responsible for deciding upon, designing or authoring the Forgotten Children report. A national inquiry of this size requires a huge number of operatives and decision makers, and Triggs herself said the decision to launch an inquiry requires consensus from all commissioners.
    And yet Liberal senators, MPs, the attorney general and even the PM continue to imply she managed to orchestrate the whole thing on her own.
    Bestowing this kind of illogical power on Triggs speaks to a compulsion to prove that a woman in power is dangerous. We have seen it time and time again.

    …Sexism was almost brazen in yesterday’s hearing…

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:29 pm

    ” how about you read the fucking report and educate yourself you imbecilic repetitive troll…”

    No report would have been needed if you did not vote for Russ/Gillard in 2007

  25. February 25, 2015 12:30 pm

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:32 pm

    Ms Triggs, by accommodating the political context and timing, has facilitated the political attack – her actions allowed this distraction.

    Not if the government was actually run by adults who cared more about the children than their political careers … ALL Australian governments have handled this issue atrociously … but this government is only digging a deeper hole in its own shit!

  27. February 25, 2015 12:33 pm

    Tom the timing is just a smoke screen… The fibs want medals for their puffy chests and self importance.. the core problem of this government is they are above humility and incapable of any criticism.. it will be their downfall..
    The hubris and aggressive linguistics in that committee room was deplorable. More like a stable for high horse riding corporate cowboys

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:34 pm

    “ALL Australian governments have handled this issue atrociously”

    No

    It was the ALP/Greens and the people who voted for them who locked these kids up.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:34 pm

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:35 pm

    If The Mad Abbott is drowning then I wish he’d suck it up!

  31. February 25, 2015 12:36 pm

    “”The hubris and aggressive linguistics in that committee room was deplorable. “”

    It was unbelievable. I’ve never seen anything like it.

  32. February 25, 2015 12:39 pm

    “#IStandWithGillianTriggs”

    GMAFB!

  33. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:39 pm

    Wait. There’s a report? 😯

    Probably not needed if the system was open for investigation.

    You know, kinda like it was when Triggs was deciding not to go ahead with it initially. Funny that she decided once the libs closed off all access

    But no … PARTISAN.

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:40 pm

    I should repeat my comment.

    It was TB, Reb, Toilet, AO, Ricky, TomR who locked all these kids up.

    You lot locked these kids up because that is what you do.

  35. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:41 pm

  36. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:42 pm

    It was unbelievable. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    So you missed the Royal Witch Hunt going after Gillard then?

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:43 pm

  38. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:43 pm

    from retweets 😉

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:46 pm

    Do I smell TROLL???? 😈

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:46 pm

    No one thinks – justice delayed is justice denied?

  41. February 25, 2015 12:50 pm

    I don’t like reading reports. I just like arguing.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:52 pm

    No one thinks – justice delayed is justice denied?

    I don’t, I’m used to all of our inquiries and reports as well as political funding/donations records taking a very long time to be presented to the public. We never see anything for years after the events.

    The fastest thing to come out was that report on the siege and that has been called highly suspect due to what it has carefully left out and the lack of critical examination of the response.

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:53 pm

    “Do I smell TROLL???? “

    No

    TB it was your vote in 2007 who caused all these kids to be locked up.

    Being an ALP supporter you do not care about people.

  44. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:54 pm

  45. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 12:55 pm

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:04 pm

    Just in case there IS a TROLL around, I thought I’d check some of my comments about offshore processing …

    In a couple of seconds …

    1. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:52 pm

    Yep! Onshore processing … more efficient, effective and economic …

    1. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2012 10:06 am

    “… off shore processing remains unethical and inhumane …”

    Absofknlutely!

    What sort of desperation, determination and courage makes someone get on a tiny, leaky, unseaworthy, old timber boat crewed by teenagers (apparently) and attempt to sail thousands of miles to the “Promised Land” …

    … and all some people can say is … but … but … they’re jumping the queue … there IS NO queue for refugees and/or asylum seekers …

    As for all politicians, of all colours, it’s not about finding a solution … it’s about covering your arse till the next election …

    And I think I was replying to KL in the last one …

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:05 pm

    …This is simply ad hominem, where instead of engaging in the argument, Abbot and his colleagues attacked the person making the argument. Such conduct is disgraceful and unprofessional.
    The tragic irony is that in the response to the Forgotten Children report on children in detention, the children were forgotten…

    Perhaps that was the plan?

  48. February 25, 2015 1:08 pm

    “No one thinks – justice delayed is justice denied?”

    Speaking of which, has anyone been charged (little lone convicted) for the murder of Reza Barati?

    I mean, it’s only been 12 months…

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:08 pm

  50. February 25, 2015 1:09 pm

    “”It was TB, Reb, Toilet, AO, Ricky, TomR who locked all these kids up.””

    And here I was thinking no one noticed.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:11 pm

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:16 pm

    …Speaking of which, has anyone been charged (little lone convicted) for the murder of Reza Barati?
    I mean, it’s only been 12 months…

    An extremely important point you’ve made there reb.

    As if those kids are going to get any justice from this govt. anyway. I have lost all confidence in them.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:17 pm

    I mean, it’s only been 12 months…

    Was just thinking the same … plenty of “reports” but no-action …

    T’is PNG tho’ the “Wild West of the Pacific!”

  54. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:18 pm

    And here I was thinking no one noticed.

    Did you still have the key, or does TB have it now?

  55. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:20 pm

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:21 pm

    #IStandWithGillianTriggs

    http://thevuepost.com/2015/02/25/istandwithgilliantriggs/

    …Facts that are being revealed also indicate that, whether we are willing to acknowledge or not, we are potentially setting the foundations of a future Royal Commission into the suffering caused by our current asylum seeker policies.

    Arguably, every person from a third-world nation will be an ‘economic migrant’ in one sense. But arguments that asylum seekers from theocracies and war-torn countries, such as Afghanistan, Iran and Sri Lanka, are by-and-large non-genuine refugees is preposterous and defy logic.

    As to which side of the argument you stand on will most likely, and sadly, depend on your political affiliation given the politicisation and polarisation of the issue.

    When it comes to the government attacks on the President of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs, over her report into children in detention we are entering very dangerous territory that threaten the very foundation of our democracy…

    …The Liberal Party of Australia politicised and polarised the asylum seeker issue for electoral gain for years now. The timing of the AHRC report which highlights the dire consequences of the policies of successive governments may be seen as inconvenient by the current government, but it has been long time coming.

    To cry foul now, to satirically adapt the ill-conceived phraseology of Matthias Cormann, is the government behaving like ‘political girlie men’*…

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:24 pm

    “Just in case there IS a TROLL around”

    If you are talking about me i am around.

    It was YOUR vote in 2007 that caused all this trouble.

    And by the way. The people smugglers are waiting for an ALP govt in 2016 and then they can start their immoral but profitable activities again in 2016.

  58. February 25, 2015 1:25 pm

    It’s not like the HRC was sitting on their arses waiting for the Liberals to get elected.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot
    2.2 Children in detention

    There are particular challenges relating to the situation of children in immigration detention. The Commission has repeatedly raised concerns about the mandatory detention of children, the number of children in immigration detention and the prolonged periods for which some children are detained.[41] As at 5 September 2013, there were 1,428 children in closed immigration detention.[42] The average age of children in closed detention facilities was 10 years old.[43]

    The Commission welcomes the movement of a significant number of families and unaccompanied minors from closed detention facilities into community detention since October 2010. As at 5 September 2013, there were 1,395 children in community detention.[44]

    (a) Mandatory detention of children

    The CRC requires that a child should only be detained as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time.[45] Australia’s system of mandatory detention requires that children remain in closed immigration detention until they are granted a visa or removed from Australia, unless the Minister for Immigration and Border Protection (the Minister) decides to make a residence determination allowing them to live in community detention.[46]

    The Commission requested from the Department information regarding the length of time children had been held in immigration detention. This information had not been provided at the time of publishing.

    In 2004 the Commission released A last resort?, the report of the National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention (National Inquiry).[47] The National Inquiry found that Australia’s system of mandatory immigration detention of children was fundamentally inconsistent with Australia’s obligations under the CRC; one reason being that the detention of children is used as a first (rather than last) resort.

    Since the release of A last resort?, the Commission has welcomed positive changes including that children are no longer detained in high security immigration detention centres and the affirmation by the Federal Parliament in 2005 that minors should only be detained as a measure of last resort.[48] However, as mentioned above, as at 5 September 2013, there were still a large number of children being detained in closed immigration detention facilities.[49]

    (b) Conditions of detention for children

    In addition to its general obligation in relation to all persons in detention under article 10 of the ICCPR, Australia has a specific obligation under article 37(c) of the CRC to ensure that children in detention are treated with humanity and respect for their inherent dignity.

    The 1,428 children in closed immigration detention as at 5 September 2013 were held in the following facilities:
    •Construction Camp APOD, Aqua/Lilac APOD and Phosphate Hill APOD on Christmas Island
    •Wickham Point APOD, Blaydin APOD and Darwin Airport Lodge APOD in the Northern Territory
    •Brisbane and Melbourne ITA
    •Perth and Sydney IRH
    •Leonora APOD in Western Australia
    •Inverbrackie APOD in South Australia
    •Pontville APOD in Tasmania.[50]

    The Commission has raised concerns about the conditions of detention in some facilities in which children are detained. For example, the Commission has concerns about the impact of detention in harsh physical environments in remote locations (such as at the Leonora APOD),[51] and the lack of appropriate recreational spaces, activities and access to education in facilities such as those on Christmas Island.[52]

    The National Inquiry also found that children who are detained for long periods in immigration detention facilities are at high risk of serious mental harm, which may amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment in breach of the CRC.[53] The impacts of detention on mental health are discussed in section 2.4 below.

    (c) Unaccompanied minors in immigration detention

    As at 19 August 2013 there were 358 unaccompanied minors in immigration detention facilities around Australia.[54] Their ages ranged from 7 to 17 years.[55] In 2013 the majority of unaccompanied minors were held at Pontville APOD.

    The Commission visited Pontville in May 2013. The Commission raised concerns about the prison-like nature of the infrastructure at Pontville, which gave the facility a harsh and punitive feel. The Commission was also deeply concerned by the level of despair and anxiety expressed by those unaccompanied minors who had been held there for a prolonged period of time. Between 1 January 2013 and 14 August 2013 there were reports of 50 incidents of actual self-harm and 49 incidents of threatened self-harm at Pontville.[56]

    At 5 September 2013 there were 227 unaccompanied minors held at Pontville. Since this date the Australian Government has transferred a significant number of unaccompanied minors from this facility into community detention. On 21 September 2013 it was reported that there were no unaccompanied minors detained at Pontville.[57]

    Australia has obligations to children who arrive in Australia unaccompanied, especially those who are seeking asylum, to ensure that they receive special protection and assistance.[58] Australia has an obligation under the CRC to ‘ensure alternative care’ for these children.[59]

    An important element of the care of unaccompanied minors is effective guardianship. In the absence of their parents, the legal guardian of an unaccompanied minor has the ‘primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of the child’, and is under an obligation under the CRC to act in the best interests of the child.[60] Under Australian law, the Minister is the legal guardian of ‘non-citizen’ unaccompanied minors.[61]

    The Commission has a range of concerns relating to unaccompanied minors in immigration detention. Most significantly, the Commission is concerned that the Minister’s role as guardian of unaccompanied minors creates a conflict of interest, as the Minister is also responsible for administering the immigration detention regime under the Migration Act and for making decisions about granting visas. Given these multiples roles, it is difficult for the Minister, or his delegate, to make the best interests of the child the primary consideration when making decisions concerning unaccompanied minors.

    The Commission has repeatedly recommended that an independent guardian be appointed for all unaccompanied minors in immigration detention, to ensure that their rights are protected.[62] In 2012 the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Australia’s Immigration Detention Network also recommended that the legal guardianship of unaccompanied minors in immigration detention be transferred from the Minister.
    © Australian Human Rights Commission 2013.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/publications/immigration-detention-christmas-island
    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/publications/human-rights-issues-raised-transfer-asylum-seekers

  59. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:31 pm

    The usual suspects will ignore that Team Open Both Eyes , as they have in the past.

    The depths this mob have taken us

    The first law officer of the Commonwealth has gone on record directly accusing the president of the HRC of political bias in the performance of her statutory duties. It would be no less incendiary if he alleged that the Chief Justice of the High Court or the Chief Commissioner of the Federal Police was corrupt.

    That’s the territory we’re in. It’s a declaration of war. And it’s wrong, very badly wrong.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/bradley-brandis-or-triggs-must-go-and-it-shouldnt-be-her/6251370

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:34 pm

    I totally agree TOBE

    As the very talented stephen sandler says above [vue report]

    “It’s been a long time coming”

    We’ve had these poor people demonised and dehumanised for years by politicians who see votes in it.

    Personally, I can’t wait for a RC into our policies of detention, deprivation and physical, emotional torture [both sides of politics have disregarded human rights].

  61. February 25, 2015 1:34 pm

    Coincidentally I was just reading that article Tom R… It looks like Brandis has just made his own position untenable.

  62. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:39 pm

    It looks like Brandis has just made his own position untenable.

    Looks can be deceiving I think reb. If there is one thing this mob can do, it is cover their asses.

  63. February 25, 2015 1:56 pm

    I should repeat my comment.
    It was TB, Reb, Toilet, AO, Ricky, TomR who locked all these kids up.
    You lot locked these kids up because that is what you do.

    I Should publish your IP address… hows that sound ? and keep repeating it 🙂

    pretty easy for me to sort out the trolls, when they get nasty…. that is who they are and who they are working for especially when they are into vindictively moralising rusted on footy cheating political point scoring…

    Keep going Nils try me on…

  64. February 25, 2015 1:59 pm

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:05 pm

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:10 pm

    Thank you tim, shame about the silence and invisibility of your colleague tim wilson.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:16 pm

    QT is on

    Will moraitis be the fall guy expected to protect the arse of bluster brandis? – yesterday he failed to produce his notes from the time in question.

  68. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:19 pm

    shame about the silence and invisibility of your colleague tim wilson.

    I get the feeling that the only time he isn’t silent is when he’s in essence, leaking against the president. ?

    Is he the “mole”?

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/feb/24/tony-abbott-facing-more-damaging-leaks-politics-live

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:27 pm

    …Is he the “mole”?…

    The coalition installed president-elect-in-waiting [however unqualified for the job]?

  70. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:30 pm

    I see yabot is still misrepresenting Triggs in Parliament. It truly is cowards castle isn’t it.

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:31 pm

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:31 pm

  73. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:32 pm

    Labors going after Brandis big time.

  74. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:37 pm

  75. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:39 pm

    And he did use the “inducement” word again

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:39 pm

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:41 pm

  78. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:49 pm

  79. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:52 pm

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:53 pm

    Letter from ICC, Geneva to TonyAbbott MHR re abuse of GillianTriggs:

    http://www.ishr.ch/sites/default/files/article/files/the_prime_minister_of_australia.pdf

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:53 pm

    tomR, snap!

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:55 pm

    “Heartening to see the public support for my colleague @GillianTriggs”

    Upsetting to see any public support for this immoral women.

    She should have had this enquiry the day she was elected in July 2012.

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:56 pm

    dreyfus:

    “The role of the AG is to defend statutory office holders, this government has forgotten the rule of law”

  84. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:58 pm

    She should have had this enquiry the day she was elected in July 2012.

    Would she have been allowed a coffee first?

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 2:58 pm

    “…@AusHumanRights – we do our job without fear or favour”… and it won’t really matter if the investigation delayed for a year or so and all those awful human rights breaches also continue for another year or so, because Ms Triggs also has to be concerned about the politics of the investigation and report, and doing it any earlier was just so fraught politically…better to let those human rights problems just continue.
    ————-
    How do I start –

    #humanrightsdelayedishumanrightsdenied

  86. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:05 pm

    How do I start –

    Perhaps by acknowledging that Another reason the investigation didn’t need to be started was that access was available for the commission any time they wanted under Labor.

    #justsayin’

  87. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:06 pm

    😆

  88. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:08 pm

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:10 pm

    I see, so because there were a couple of thousand children in detention and there was plenty of evidence to indicate it had a very bad effect on their health, there was no reason to write a report or investigate… because Ms Triggs could see that.

  90. February 25, 2015 3:11 pm

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:12 pm

    “#IStandWithGillianTriggs because we have a duty to protect children from harm.”

    Except for the ones who were locked up under Labor. That is all of them.

  92. February 25, 2015 3:18 pm

    Look at that face…!

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:35 pm

    “#IStandWithGillianTriggs because I am the very model of a modern moral moron (and I’m in the ALP.)

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:39 pm

    “Shorten: “When powerful men move to silence . . . ”

    Here we go again with the misogyny card. Did McTernan write that for him too?

  95. February 25, 2015 3:39 pm

    Yes splatter you have no argument from us you epitomise of the post modern moral moron #fact

  96. February 25, 2015 3:45 pm

    Is splatterbottom Ian Macdonald?

  97. February 25, 2015 3:46 pm

    What is this, re-tweet central?

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:03 pm

    Minister Barnaby Joyce getting angry

    That was posed at 3.17, according to ABC news he is still in danger of a heart attack for 1 hour and 16 minutes.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:05 pm

    CALM DOWN. Those two words might not be easy to hear when you’re full of rage, but they might just save your life.

    A team from The University of Sydney and Royal North Shore Hospital has found a feeling of intense anger could trigger heart attacks up to two hours after it occurs

    There’s also a former public servant who used to be at risk on most days!

  100. February 25, 2015 4:11 pm

    “”That was posed at 3.17, according to ABC news he is still in danger of a heart attack for 1 hour and 16 minutes.””

    Maybe we should give him a call and see how he’s doing?

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:14 pm

    Gee i wonder who Greg Jerico votes for?

    You know it is really easy it tell these days which party a journalist votes for.

    But the biggest fraud of all is Stephen Koukoulas. Normally there is a contest to find out who is the best or worst in something.

    With Koukoulas there is no contest. He is easily the most dishonest journalist in all of human history.

  102. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:14 pm

    Here we go again with the misogyny card

    Did you read what was said, or is any criticism now “playing the sex” card. Even when that has nothing to do with it?

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:16 pm

    I tried to get some facts from the ABC news this morning. Apparently Triggs “revealed” that Brandis offered her an inducement. In fact Triggs “alleged” …. . And they didn’t mention that Triggs said she preferred not to use the term “inducement”. The report did not mention that the other party to the conversation in question denied Trigg’s unsubstantiated allegation. Nor did they quote Brandis’ stated reasons for having lost confidence in Triggs. That is flat out biased reporting. The impression from the news report was quite different from reality.

    Brandis said yesterday:

    But after the November (hearing of the) estimates (committee) when – on any view – Professor Triggs gave inconsistent and evasive evidence of the circumstances in which the decision was taken to hold the inquiry which we have been discussing, and, in particular, when Professor Triggs conceded that she had made a decision to hold the inquiry after the 2013 election and had spoken during the caretaker period, quite inappropriately, to two Labor Ministers, a fact concealed from the then Opposition, I felt that the political impartiality of the commission had been fatally compromised.

    Ricky, do you get that? Triggs is so politically sensitive that she couldn’t hold the inquiry well before an election is announced, but during the caretaker period thinks it appropriate to meet with two government ministers.

    Brandis is clearly right to have lost confidence in Triggs, especially when she has been kvetching with Minister Burke in the caretaker period. Any decent person would resign in shame. Especially one who pleaded her tender political sensibilities as an excuse for not holding the inquiry earlier. But not this moral moron.

  104. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:16 pm

    What is this, re-tweet central?

    How cheap do you think we are? 😯

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:26 pm

    ” Apparently Triggs “revealed” that Brandis offered her an inducement.”

    Alan Jones said on 2Gb Triggs rang up Moriatis. Not the other way around.

  106. February 25, 2015 4:31 pm

    Well this is about to get interesting…

    “”Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson has allegedly been promised Professor Gillian Triggs’ job as president of the Human Rights Commission””

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tim-wilson-already-promised-gillian-triggs-job,7416#.VO1bRGbwWO0.twitter

  107. February 25, 2015 4:45 pm

    “”Alan Jones said on 2Gb Triggs rang up Moriatis. Not the other way around.””

    Aw ok, I’m glad that’s all cleared up now then. 🙄

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 4:52 pm

    Jones may be a deeply biased fruitloop, but compared to Independent Australia and the ABC, Jones is very reliable.

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 5:15 pm

    … because Ms Triggs could see that.

    And thousands more Australians … its a political issue because people like The Mad Abbott have supporters like you …

    And still no-one is lifting a fkn finger to help the children! Don’t expect that Dolt Dutton to do anything … he wipes his mouth with toilet paper for a reason …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is flat out biased reporting. The impression from the news report was quite different from reality.

    That fkn ABC … against all that’s good in the world … I mean fancy a commissioner telling porkies about the Attorney General .. and Mr Brandis is such a nice deceitful, two faced, lying little shit … hey?

    Jones may be a deeply biased fruitloop, but compared to Independent Australia and the ABC, Jones is very reliable.

    Shit yeah! Go, Jonesy! Any suggestions about hessian bags?

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2015 5:20 pm

    “And still no-one is lifting a fkn finger to help the children!”

    That should have been done from 2008-2013.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 5:43 pm

    Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull today warned colleagues not to miss the key issue. It was a barely-veiled rebuke of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s strategy in responding to the report.

    “The issue is not Gillian Triggs, or personalities, or arguments about the Human Rights Commission, the issue is the children. All of us as parents in particular know how anguished it must be for children to be in these circumstances,” Mr Turnbull told reporters.

    Government back benchers have warned Prime Minister Tony Abbott the party political row with Labor was distracting from the plight of the remaining 126 asylum seeker minors facing sexual abuse and beatings, and those who already have been victims.

    Immigration Minister Peter Dutton today appeared to get the message as he left the Gillian Triggs issue to front bench colleague George Brandis.

    “That is an issue for the Attorney-General to comment on,” Mr Dutton told Radio National today.

    “I’m more concerned in my portfolio about those allegations which touch my areas of concern, in relation to children in detention specifically.

    “I’m determined as much as possible to reduce the number of children in detention but I just make the point we are coming to some very, very difficult cases and we would want to provide support to get those children out into the community.

    “We do it on a regular basis now. I think we have a lot more that we can achieve and there is a lot more that I can do in the system to keep kids — young boys, young girls — safe.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/torrid-party-political-row-over-gillian-triggs-distracting-from-debate-over-children-in-detention/story-fns0jze1-1227238586439

    Yeah, we’ll see Peter, we’ll see … actions speak much louder than words in a chamber(pot)!

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2015 6:04 pm

    “It was a barely-veiled rebuke of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s strategy in responding to the report.”

    Malcolm Turnbull is the new Kevin Rudd – a power crazed narcissist who a desperate party will, having previously booted him as leader, reinstall him just to claw back a few seats from falling into the abyss of electoral doom that inevitably awaits them.

    History repeats. The second time is always as farce.

  113. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2015 6:18 pm

    “There’s also a former public servant who used to be at risk on most days!”

    Is that lazy grubby low life hypochondriac cnut still alive and married ?

  114. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2015 6:19 pm

    Or should I say “let alone still married”

    #BringBackEgg

  115. February 25, 2015 6:24 pm

    I think you mean little lone.

  116. February 25, 2015 6:29 pm

    “And still no-one is lifting a fkn finger to help the children!”
    That should have been done from 2008-2013.

    think i’m joking?
    xxx.xxx.xxx.x10 xxxxn@xxxxxxx.com

    Jones was so good with children. He wrote many a love letter to the young boys at Kings admiring their form dreaming of ancient Greece after which he went on to an illustrious career in broadcasting. Alan personally helped insight race riots, spread lies, cash for comment and serial litigation for defamation, what a champion of the common man.

    Then there were his engaging lectures on the speaking circuit where he would talk for hours.

    Oh how we laughed…His raucous tales of public toilets and locker room homo eroticism were peppered with the colourful misogynist humorous references to Chaff bags and parents dying of shame…

    He shared some wonderful insight into his accolades whilst attending Oxford business school for 3 months ( not to be confused with Oxford university) where he did a certificate in numerology and faith healing. I am told he was hands down winner and dandy favourite at the glory hole…

    What a pillar of society, an icon of truth..is our Alan..
    How could someone ever doubt a word from that mouth that has sucked some of the most prestigious cock in some of the most splendiferous lavatories in Oxford.

  117. February 25, 2015 6:29 pm

    #BringBackEgg

    Don’t start.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:10 pm

    … a power crazed narcissist who a desperate party will, having previously booted him as leader

    The Liberal Party must be filled wiv ’em!

    History repeats. Fuck off, sb! That’s my line!

    #BringBackEgg

    Don’t start.

    Why the fuck were we so fkn worried about ‘im 🙄

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:17 pm

    TB Queensland PERMALINK
    February 25, 2015 5:15 pm

    Ms Triggs might have more credibility if she had bothered to exercise her considerable power earlier, even if it was a little politically inconvenient.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:31 pm

    Ms Triggs might have more credibility if she had bothered to exercise her considerable power earlier, even if it was a little politically inconvenient.

    And you of all people, ToM, you should know I don’t GAF about the politics or Ms Triggs – I care about the kids!

    But you continue with your prattle and defence … and “considerable power”? Compared to the fkn supposed PRIME MINISTER and the HIGHEST legal council in the land …

    Where I live they’d say – don’t come the raw prawn, mate!

  121. February 25, 2015 7:39 pm

    “”Where I live they’d say – don’t come the raw prawn, mate!””

    I have no doubts about that.

    None whatsoever in fact.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 7:43 pm

    I have no doubts about that.

    None whatsoever in fact.

    Gracias usted blog propietario

  123. February 25, 2015 7:55 pm

    Ms Triggs has no “power” to exercise fyi, TB Queensland.
    She has a statutory OBLIGATION to investigate human rights issues as & when they arise.
    As far as politically inconvenient timing ~ just a sparrows fart of knowledge is helpful ~
    Official barred from visits to Nauru, Manus Island
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 8:35 pm

    NA, you may want to reread my comment … here’s a bit for you …

    “I don’t GAF about the politics or Ms Triggs – I care about the kids!”

    You have obviously read my last comment and ignored a whole fkn thread … keep up or fuck off!

  125. February 25, 2015 8:36 pm

    There ya go the plot thickens , wonder why Tim Wilson is MIA?

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tim-wilson-already-promised-gillian-triggs-job,7416

  126. February 25, 2015 8:42 pm

    “Why the fuck were we so fkn worried about ‘im”

    I think you mean “why was I so worried about ‘im”.

    “… keep up or fuck off!”

    Hawhaw.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:10 pm

    “Why the fuck were we so fkn worried about ‘im”

    I think you mean “why was I so worried about ‘im”.

    “… keep up or fuck off!”

    Hawhaw.

    Wrong again, ToSY … a number of us were concerned about Wally’s wellbeing having visited the locale he was in … including me … strangely 🙂 … so … more than one is WE! Not singular I … do keep up or fuck off … it’s a losing road you travel, ToSY, and I don’t know why … intelligent, articulate but bitter somehow?

    BTW … if you had been “absent” for as long as Wally was – I would have been concerned for your safety too … strangely … but that’s just me … maybe that’s our real difference?

    BTW, it takes me a along time to edit my replies to you just lately … not because of grammar/spelling (I’m more than comfy with that) but I do have to remove a lot of expletives … just not done, old boy! 🙂 Hawhaw …

  128. February 25, 2015 9:17 pm

    Yeah, well, TB. I read it as you being worried about egg. My mistake.

    Even so, I’m sure Walrus can look after himself. (Except when Min attacked him over Mrs Slocombe’s pussy. But that’s an “in” joke only he and I would remember, probably.)

  129. February 25, 2015 9:20 pm

    “maybe that’s our real difference?

    That’s right. You’re a compassionate lefty, and I’m a right-wing nutjob. That about cover it?

  130. February 25, 2015 9:21 pm

    “a number of us were concerned about Wally’s wellbeing”

    Very good of them. Though I don’t recall anyone saying so.

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:34 am

    …Official barred from visits to Nauru, Manus Island

    Thanks NA

    That puts the government’s AS policy into perspective really, a secret prison with no-one allowed inside in case they hear the screams.

    Haven’t they recently been saying to people re privacy and metadata “those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear’

    Says it all.

  132. February 26, 2015 9:22 am

    “”Rarely has a federal government engaged in such a vicious, politicised campaign to demolish the integrity and professionalism of a statutory officer. The Prime Minister’s enthusiastic participation in this tawdry episode greatly diminishes the standing of his office.

    Senator Brandis says he wants the Human Rights Commission to focus on “projects that actually mean something to the mainstream of Australian people [and] will make a material difference to their lives”. His proposal highlights how fundamentally out of touch this government is with issues of human rights, because it is not mainstream Australians who are at risk. It is those at the margins who cannot speak for themselves, the young and disadvantaged, minorities and non-Australians (such as asylum seekers), who most need their human rights secured.””

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/the-attack-on-triggs-is-an-abbott-stitchup-20150225-13ogxw.html

  133. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:24 am

    “But that’s an “in” joke only he and I would remember, probably………..””

    Yep

    The shrinking violet routine that she put on after that was the stuff of projectile vomit into a line of buckets at 20 metres it was soooooooooooooooo sickly. It was such obvious bullshit yet plenty believed her portrayal of a shattered woman.

    Blowjobs at Darling Harbour weekend anyone ???????????????

    “Are You Being Serviced””

    She deserves whoever she gets hitched to

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:48 am

    Thanks NA

    That puts the government’s AS policy into perspective really, a secret prison with no-one allowed inside in case they hear the screams.

    Haven’t they recently been saying to people re privacy and metadata “those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear’

    AO

    Did you read the date on that article you are talking about? It was dated March 5 2013. Triggs was denied access to Manus Island under the Labor/Greens govt.

    So all your comments are wrong.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:51 am

    “But that’s an “in” joke only he and I would remember, probably………..””

    Yep

    And me, strangely enough …

  136. LeftistSocialist permalink
    May 30, 2015 6:53 pm

    fuck off leftist idiots.

  137. LeftistSocialist permalink
    May 30, 2015 6:59 pm

    I believe that homosexual marriage is a must, where else will we,poofters,paedophiles,lesbians and assorted socialist dysfunctionals get our kiddies to fondle from? I mean, If we don’t teach the kiddies ( with the help of the education departments).,that homosexuality is an “alternative lifestyle”., we will run out of fresh meat to fulfil our perverse,destructive needs.

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