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An Open Letter to the Rest of The World

February 25, 2015

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Dear the rest of the world,

On behalf of many Australians, I write to express our profound embarrassment over the way in which the President of the Human Rights Commission (HRC), Gillian Triggs has been treated by the Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abbott, and a number of his government officials.

It would be fair to say that many Australians feel a sense of palpable outrage and growing anger over Mr Abbott’s behaviour towards Ms Triggs, and in particular calling into question her competency as an independent official heading up an independent body that champions human rights.

Today, the Prime Minister used Parliamentary Privilege to further malign Ms Triggs’ reputation in what has become an all out vindictive assault on her ethics, integrity and professionalism in the wake of the damning report into children held in detention centres under the government’s watch.

Yesterday, Ms Griggs endured some seven hours of bullying, harassment, and intimidation delivered by LNP Senators, Ian Macdonald, Barry O’Sullivan and Attorney General George Brandis.

Mr Brandis and Mr Abbott insist that they have lost confidence in the President of the HRC.

We, the people of Australia couldn’t disagree more, and wish to make it clear that we have lost confidence in the Attorney General and Prime Minister.

In fact, the Attorney General is now the subject of a Federal Police Investigation following yesterday’s events, rendering his position potentially untenable.

Please be assured that many Australians are simply embarrassed and ashamed by the antics of our Prime Minister, and can’t wait to be rid of him at the next election.

In the meantime, we wish to express our support and respect for Gillian Triggs for having the fortitude of character to resist buckling under the reprehensible harassment and intimidation she has endured in recent days.

Yours sincerely

reb of melbourne

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. February 25, 2015 8:48 pm

    “We, the people of Australia couldn’t disagree more,”

    You were going okay till you spoke for the whole population. If you said, “We, the twitterati of Australia”, you’d be more accurate.

  2. February 25, 2015 9:06 pm

    To what Reb said so eloquently I can only add my absolute concurrence..

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:23 pm

    “We, the people of Australia couldn’t disagree more,”

    You were going okay till you spoke for the whole population. If you said, “We, the twitterati of Australia”, you’d be more accurate.

    Let’s fix it for yer, Shrill … how about …

    We the ordinary, caring, generous, sometimes larrikin, but genuine people of Australia …

    … as opposed to …

    … the (dwindling) supporters of the present bitter, angry, born to rule, money grabbing, fear-mongering, confrontationist, aggressive, lying, manipulative, deceitful, conspiratorial, conniving, uncommunicative and amateur Liberal National Coalition government that Australia has ever seen!

  4. February 25, 2015 9:24 pm

    Haha. I can see the bile dripping from the page.

    Calm down, TB. ToM tells me you’re at risk for the next two hours.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:25 pm

    And like The Mad Abbott … and all ignorant politicians around the world it seems … “We, the twitterati of Australia”

    Have far more political power than you can imagine!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:27 pm

    Calm down, TB. ToM tells me you’re at risk for the next two hours.

    I’m fine … anger and anxiety is a state of mind … I have neither … you sound alittle anxious tho’ … 😉

  7. February 25, 2015 9:29 pm

    “You were going okay till you spoke for the whole population.”

    I guess you skipped the opening sentence where I said “On behalf of many Australians…”

  8. February 25, 2015 9:32 pm

    ‘I guess you skipped the opening sentence where I said “On behalf of many Australians…”’

    Yeah, I think you changed half way through. But that’s just me being pedantic. I’ve got to stop doing that. (I’m upsetting TB.)

  9. February 25, 2015 9:38 pm

    ” I think you changed half way through”

    Nah, I think I qualified my audience with my opening paragraph, but heck you know ToSY you’re always welcome to publish an opposing view rather than just being a #sidelinesniper which is just your usual lazy default view.

  10. vanessa permalink
    February 25, 2015 9:42 pm

  11. February 25, 2015 9:42 pm

    No, you’re right. I’ve been a #sidelineniper this whole time. I’ve got to stop upsetting you and TB.

  12. February 25, 2015 9:51 pm

    (By the way, when I make a comment that disagrees with you and your loyal band of followers, how is that not “publishing an opposing view?”)

  13. Levan permalink
    February 25, 2015 11:39 pm

    This attack clearly displays the state of array that this government finds itself in. I have watched large sections of this senate hearing and I can say that the obvious hostility of the LNP Senators O’Sullivan and McDonald was deplorable and I commend Gillian Triggs for her calm demeanor during the her ordeal. I have watched these two LNP bully boys on quite a few occasions over the last few months – they are both well past their use by date. Their views are archaic while their approach to rational conversation hinges on ‘ who shouts and disrupts the loudest, wins’.

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:13 am

    ditto reb, well said.

    The only people on the government’s side over this are the redneck racists and the rusted ons who will willingly turn a blind eye to child abuse for as long as the dog whistle is blowing, no questions asked, if it means those poor wretched sods of humanity never step foot in australia.
    You’ve gotta wonder what abbott has to do to lose their support, perhaps strangle one of the kids with his bare hands right in front of them!

    Delay in commencing the report? You betcha, it’s about 14 years too late, ever since the pacific solution was dreamed up by our political psychopaths.

    Bring on the RC.

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:43 am

    …On behalf of many Australians, I write to express our profound embarrassment…

    Yep, everyone’s sick to death of him, even his own journo barrackers and MP’s. After the attacks on triggs, I don’t think there’s too many females rushing to vote for abbott and his thug pack.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbott-clutching-at-straws-in-attempt-to-protect-remaining-support-base-20150225-13owou.html

    …So long as Abbott is preoccupied with appealing to the 30 per cent of the voters who live on the conservative side of the Liberal party, he will continue to antagonise the other 70 per cent of the country. It’s about the shortest of short-term survival. It’s no way to win an election. It’s no way to run a country…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/an-aggressive-tony-abbott-fuels-campaign-against-himself-20150225-13ori0.html

    …A glance at the backbench when the Prime Minister is at the dispatch box hints at a dissatisfaction which has only hardened since the spill motion a fortnight ago…

    …Turnbull knows the Coalition has a better story to tell on children in detention than Labor. Liberals wonder why it is not being told.

    Instead Abbott this week doubled-down on Triggs, leaving himself nowhere to go and ensuring his second week of “good government” was more conflictual and unproductive than ever.

    Such an approach is leaving Abbott’s colleagues with little choice.

    Abbott had been warned against this course by the very backbench he had promised to respect and to include in the process after his “near-death-experience”.

    It is stunning that his justification, for what is an unprecedented political attack by the executive on a statutory officer, is the uncontestable claim the government has lost confidence in her.

    Because that’s precisely what his colleagues are now saying about him…

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:31 am

    Ben Fisher ‏@ben__fisher 6h6 hours ago
    “@John_Hanna: #schoolboy nice shoulder charge on @BillShortenMP @TonyAbbottMHR #auspol #bully #wanker #tossbag

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:17 am

    Graham Innes [The Drum]: “there has been a number of inquiries into children in detention over the years. I ran three of them when labor was in government”

    Peter Martin [also a guest on the drum] talking about the length of time that children have been in detention and that it has gone up considerably under the coalition and says they [coalition] must have something to hide, it’s the only reason they’d be doing this.

    Tony Abbott uses VIP jet to fly to Sydney for a 20-minute press conference on foreign investment
    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbott-uses-vip-jet-to-fly-to-sydney-for-a-20-minute-press-conference-on-foreign-investment/story-fns0jze1-1227238411558

  18. February 26, 2015 7:39 am

    #yeah, l agree, good job reb

    TeaBags”used Parliamentary Privilege to further malign Ms Triggs’ reputation in what has become an all out vindictive assault on her ethics, integrity and professionalism in the wake of the damning report into children held in detention centres”””””””

    # l`ve noticed two things, first, this is starting to smell like systematic misogyny, the way the personal attacks on Triggs is going

    #second, it seems mr-talk-bull is trying to look `prezidential` by feigning defense of triggs

  19. February 26, 2015 8:05 am

    Did anybody else see the exchange in parliament between blib and mr-poodle.? l only caught a glimpse of it on telly, l think blib was crapping-on in a defense-of-triggs/attack-teabags blurt. Blib seemed to get handed his arse by mr-poodle, mentioning blib hadn`t seen joolyas `idea`/policy/whatever, but blib agreed with it anyway, then knifed her. Seems like it would have been a good yarn, if halfwit-media bothered.

  20. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:05 am

    reb

    I AGREE!

  21. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:20 am

    armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:31 am

    That is our prime-miniature, a bullyboy to the core.. It harkens back when he lunged at a guy in a wheelchair, threatening him. What a grub.

    I read a snippet from an un-sourced news (I assume) item on the other thread yesterday, and, being out last night waiting on my kids, had time to peruse the Hansard. This was the comment, which relates to numerous nutjob (chris kenny mainly) bragging about Triggs lying in Senate Estimates.

    had spoken during the caretaker period, quite inappropriately, to two Labor Ministers, a fact concealed from the then Opposition

    concealed? inappropriate? Are they able to elaborate? Of course not, because elaboration shows a different story

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/labor-wants-afp-to-investigate-ag-department-over-triggs-offer/6257940

    This is from the Hansard
    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;db=COMMITTEES;id=committees%2Festimate%2F77cf2410-e68a-4aa3-bf67-1539b655e07e%2F0005;orderBy=priority,doc_date-rev;page=5;query=Dataset%3Aestimate;rec=2;resCount=Default

    Prof. Triggs : I think Minister Burke was the minister for a matter of weeks, just leading up to and through the caretaker period. I had at least one meeting with him, but very informally because I did not know where this was going to go.

    CHAIR: But you would not have been discussing it with the minister in the caretaker period.

    Prof. Triggs : I met with him over that period briefly and I think it was—

    CHAIR: That is entirely inappropriate, as you know. The caretaker period is the caretaker period for obvious reasons, and you do not discuss—

    Prof. Triggs : I think I will have to take this on notice because the precise dates are not clear in my mind. All I know is that I had fairly regular meetings with each of the ministers over the period from about—

    So, even as she says it, she doesn’t say it was specifically the caretaker period, but the Chair makes it appear that way. She even clarifies the statement there and then, remembering that these interruptions are coming thick and fast at her. The reason the caretaker period is even mentioned is because when she mentions the “election”, in her context, it is a period of months (due to Gillard making a date very early). She even clarifies it again later

    Prof. Triggs : Chair, if I can add one point, I could not have met with Mr Burke during the caretaker period. That was my mistake and I would like to correct the record in relation to that. I could not have met him then—it must have been within a couple of weeks of that. I will check the records and produce all of that evidence when I have had a chance to back to my office and look at the material.

    Something ignored, again. Yet re-printed without any thought to actually check the veracity of the statement. Well done churnos

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:37 am

    I see in the latest Hansard that Riggs, again, clarifies it, yet it is still getting airplay

    I couldn’t find a html friendly one, so the following is pasted from pdf, which has a tendency to crap things up

    Senator O’SULLIVAN:
    Thank you. So I can rule out that third date. Professor Triggs, I accept now that by
    June the planning was starting to firm up for a review that evolved into an inquiry. You were asked and you said
    in evidence

    and I can take you to each piece if we need to refresh your memory

    that you had not met any relevant Labor ministers. Then there was evidence that you had met relevant Labor ministers, and it was
    suggested that it was in the period after the election had been called. Then the
    re was a rebuttal of that

    that you
    had not met Labor ministers, particularly after the election had been called. What is your position on that now as
    at today? Did you meet

    I will be specific

    Mr Burke or Mr Bowen after the election was called?
    Prof. Triggs
    :
    I did meet Minister Burke during the caretaker period, as I said in my evidence in November.
    But I should say that it was at his invitation, and it was done to brief me
    and the staff on their plans for offshore
    processing. That meeting was not inconsistent with the caretaker protocols. I was, of course, very keen to know
    from him exactly how the offshore processing regime was going to work.

    Yet, it still gets a run

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:48 am

    The last post was from hte most recent Hansard, the previous was from back in November

    I watched the following youtube which relates to the estimatesback in November, and it appears that they are doing their best to trap Triggs, and, after going back into Hansard, that is precicely what they were doing. Trapping her, and then lying about it. and then the rwnj’s are running with it.

  24. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:50 am

    So from the youtube, the latest “lie” Triggs has been labelled with was that apparently she claimed she had not discussed this with the previous Government, but then later changed her mind, under interrogation, that she had. But when the actual text is read, it is clear that she did tell the inquisitors she had discussed it with the former government, it is just that the inquisitors verbal her. From the Hansard.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;db=COMMITTEES;id=committees%2Festimate%2F77cf2410-e68a-4aa3-bf67-1539b655e07e%2F0005;orderBy=priority,doc_date-rev;page=5;query=Dataset%3Aestimate;rec=2;resCount=Default


    Prof. Triggs : I think I will have to take this on notice because the precise dates are not clear in my mind. All I know is that I had fairly regular meetings with each of the ministers over the period from about—

    CHAIR: But you told me before that you did not.

    Prof. Triggs : I did not say I did not meet with them.

    CHAIR: Remember I said: ‘I’m not going to ask you what the advice was. I’m asking whether you actually spoke with him,’ and you said, ‘No’ and ‘No’ and ‘No.’

    Prof. Triggs : We are going around in a misunderstanding way. I have not advised them in any formal sense that I will be holding an inquiry, but in my informal discussions with them it was raised as a possibility that we would hold one for—

    CHAIR
    ………

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: Professor Triggs, I questioned you quite intently earlier about recollections about whether you had spoken to any minister. A passage of that was: in particular to ministers of the former government. You indicated to me that you had no recollection of having had discussions with them in relation to this inquiry. Hansard will prove that. Here is an opportunity. In the break, were you able to refresh your memory from a diary, from advice, from an officer of the commission or any other place to allow you to now come back? We are now talking about Chris Bowen and Tony Burke.

    Hansard WILL prove that.

    CHAIR: I cannot restrict you. Just before we conclude, Professor Triggs, can I just clarify, and I am not asking you what the advice was: did you give advice to the then minister in early 2013 about a hearing into children into detention?

    Prof. Triggs : No.

    CHAIR: You did not speak with the minister about that?

    Prof. Triggs : No.

    CHAIR: Or in 2012?

    Prof. Triggs : No.

    This is the denial they are referring to (apparently, because of the no, no, no answers). Note the specific dates in question, and then the broadness of the later accusation. But, even earlier in proceedings

    Prof. Triggs : I will give you advice about that, because I talk to the minister regularly—as I am sure he will attest—quite regularly. If I had at that point in time decided to hold an inquiry I am certain I would have advised him of that. But those are meetings at which minutes are not held but I would certainly have evidence of my own minutes, so I can give you whatever I had. But I can assure you that with those regular meetings with the minister—and there were at least two that I was dealing with at the time, but I met them regularly—that once any decision was made to hold an inquiry I would have immediately told the minister.

    So, she advices well back up in her testimony that she would have advised them. But, when it comes to the details, she also specifically tells them that, as is right with ministerial discussions, she will not reveal exactly. Again, noting the date.

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: Let me draw a line under the June matter. I think we are agreed that by June your mind had settled on the inquiry—your colleagues, the commission, will confirm that you had been talking about it for eight or nine months and you had settled it. Yet you cannot recall whether you did or you did not have a conversation with a Labor minister indicating that you would commence an inquiry after the change of government or after the election? It is a simple question.

    Prof. Triggs : The answer is that I am not answering the question. My discussions with the minister are private.

    Which again reflects on what she had said earlier
    Prof. Triggs : I will give you advice about that, because I talk to the minister regularly—as I am sure he will attest—quite regularly. If I had at that point in time decided to hold an inquiry I am certain I would have advised him of that. But those are meetings at which minutes are not held but I would certainly have evidence of my own minutes, so I can give you whatever I had. But I can assure you that with those regular meetings with the minister—and there were at least two that I was dealing with at the time, but I met them regularly—that once any decision was made to hold an inquiry I would have immediately told the minister.

    I mean, the entire episode is all about the chair and the other guy misrepresenting what Triggs has actually said. Some examples

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: Let me close it out so I do not badger you—and I will draw a line under June, because I want to go back to February. You introduced February, not me. In June—

    Prof. Triggs : I do not believe I did, but we can go on with that—

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: The Hansard will reflect that I did not invent February. It was your reference. You told me—

    Further back up, he had tried this on before, and Triggs had again attempted to correct him
    Senator O’SULLIVAN: You might see where I am going, Professor Triggs. Your earlier testimony is that, by February 2013, you had established in your mind to have an inquiry.

    Prof. Triggs : No, I am afraid you are misstating that—

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: No, I am happy for the Hansard—

    Prof. Triggs : If it is in the Hansard then the Hansard must be corrected because under no circumstances was it a crystallised intent by then. It was a matter of discussion between me and two or three or four senior members of the commission staff.

    He keeps referring back to Hansard but, as can be seen, Hansard is no friend of his, and shows that, while February might have been introduced by Triggs, it came with a heavy caveat.

    Prof. Triggs : I had been in my position then for about six or seven months. We had decided in the commission that we would hold an inquiry as a 10-year follow-up of the 2004 inquiry.

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: Let’s hold that point. That puts your decision and that of the commission at around about the Christmas of 2012-13. Correct?

    Prof. Triggs : No, I would say it was more like February or March we were pretty much deciding that.

    Senator O’SULLIVAN: Tomato, tomayto. Let’s go with February. That is my favourite date. That is when I arrived here. So around about February you had made your mind up to hold an inquiry. You had made your mind up in February. We did not have an election until September.

    Tomato, tomayto? What a tool. Claims it’s neither here nor there, then launches an assault on her later for “introducing” it as a date. Well, to be precise, she said “February or March”, which is not “February”, since he wants to be specific. And since he wants to pretend he’s “accurate”.

  25. February 26, 2015 9:08 am

    “”I mean, the entire episode is all about the chair and the other guy misrepresenting what Triggs has actually said.””

    Just like the other day when Ian Macdonald said something along the lines of “I’m going to keep repeating the question until you give me the answer I want you to give””..

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:17 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/gillian-triggs-set-on-a-course-of-selfmartyrdom-20150225-13oook.html

    When thousands of children were in detention, there was no national inquiry by the commission. …………..She signed off on a report whose very title is incendiary, inaccurate, and seeks to blame the very government which staunched the wound. Far from being forgotten, not a single child was placed in detention by the Coalition government……..She was never asked to resign. Both the Attorney-General, Senator George Brandis, and the head of his department, flatly denied ever asking for her resignation. In her testimony to the Senate inquiry on Tuesday, it emerged she had inferred this meaning out of comments made in a meeting that she herself had requested.

  27. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:24 am

    I’m going to keep repeating the question until you give me the answer I want you to give

    That seems to be about it. I’m not sure how other estimates go, I haven’t seen too many, but both the chair and the other guy were basically rephrasing Triggs answers to suit their accusations (questions?). And then referring back to their statemenst as if it was her words.

    And then get a run.

    I’ve just logged back into my twit account, and have been buggin kenny to perhaps explain the specifics of this. I said, if it’s censored, perhaps he could enlighten. Instead, he just keeps rabbitting on about Triggs without ever being specific. I had read this from one of his old articles

    And after denying she raised the matter with Labor before the election, she later admitted discussing it with two former immigration ministers, Chris Bowen and Tony Burke. It is understood the Abbott government and the minister who oversees the ­commission, Attorney-General George Brandis, have lost faith in Professor Triggs.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/human-rights-commission-chief-gillian-triggs-drowning-in-evidence/story-fn59niix-1227131308575

    Which led me to look into what was actually said, which doesn’t match his claim at all

    To date, he prefers to protect the “censorship” he rails against apparently lol

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:36 am

    What a pity it is then that Ms Triggs didn’t conduct her investigation in a more timely manner. What a pity she delayed even beginning the process until the timing was more politically suitable. It’s just a pity that she didn’t put the rights of children above the difficult political context. If only Ms Triggs had decided to act without fear or favour.

    Though she may not have exactly feared the politics, she only accommodated the politics.

    That is what has tainted her report, though I’ve no doubt its findings are entirely warranted.

  29. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:36 am

    When thousands of children were in detention, there was no national inquiry by the commission

    Sheehans a blinkered idiot. Again, from the Hansard in November

    CHAIR: I am going to stop Senator O’Sullivan there. He can come back to this later. But I must say, Professor Triggs, that you would accept yourself that some people would say that the fact that the commission effectively did nothing during the term of a previous government and then when the government changed it had this major inquiry raises questions about the independence of what has to be a very independent commission.

    Prof. Triggs : I really must challenge the premise of your question, because throughout the period of the former government the commission conducted an inquiry. My predecessor conducted an inquiry.

    CHAIR: When was that?

    Prof. Triggs : She reported in the middle of 2012, which is exactly when I came into the office. Cathy Branson had conducted an inquiry into the mechanism for determining the age of children in detention, which was a wrist X-ray. It was a very successful process. The government had, in fact, agreed to change their policy about the same time she reported. So it was a very successful exercise. I very much wanted to take some guidance from how she had managed it so well, in the sense that she had maintained good relationships with the department and achieved an outcome that was consistent with human rights.

  30. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:38 am

    Though she may not have exactly feared the politics, she only accommodated the politics.

    No yomm, that was, as she said last November, only one consideration. Try to keep up

    The people who had been left over from the 50,000 are reducing on the way, and you decide to leave it until February 2014 to commence an inquiry?

    Prof. Triggs : There are a number of reasons why I did not call an inquiry exactly at that moment, as I would very much have liked to have done, and that was that it was very well known and understood that we would have an election within weeks, and that is exactly what happened. Had I called the inquiry at the peak period, I would have walked straight into a caretaker mode or certainly into an environment in which this very fraught issue would be highly politicised. I made the judgement to leave it until the government had been in power for four or five months. When the numbers had not declined appreciably, and as they were being held for unprecedented periods of time, I decided it was time to call the election—

    CHAIR: No, you do not call the election.

    Prof. Triggs : Sorry, I beg your pardon, call the inquiry. The other answer to your question was that, as you might recall, we had an inquiry by the Human Rights Commission when children were first held in detention. That inquiry was entitled ‘The Last Resort?’ in 2004. It had been our plan from the day I arrived at the commission that we would hold a new inquiry to coincide with the 10-year anniversary of the first.

    The third answer, and perhaps this is really just a practical one, is that my predecessor had completed an inquiry literally as I arrived, and we had put a lot of resources into that inquiry. We know that we need huge resources to run any other inquiries, so I felt a little bit of a hiatus might be appropriate.

    I quite take your point about the numbers being so high in July. I have been asked that question very often, and I have had to defend it often. I believe it was the right decision to make. I think it would have been very dangerous politically, particularly in light of the point that you so clearly make, and that is that the whole commission must act in an unbiased and objective way. Had I done it right in the face of an election, I think that would have been very inflammatory.

  31. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:42 am

    Precious petal

    Are we OK not to read it. That seems to be the current method of evaluating it?

  32. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:44 am

    “”…………..If you said, “We, the twitterati of Australia”, you’d be more accurate…………..””

    LOL……………………Yep Absofuckinglutely………..!

    #I”llSidelineSniperWithYou

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:52 am

    ” only one consideration

    Fine – she only accommodated the politics

    …meanwhile a couple of thousand children were in detention, but never mind, the politics take priority!

  34. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:58 am

    …meanwhile a couple of thousand children were in detention, but never mind, the politics take priority!

    Do you really not read things correctly yomm? Are you a Chairthingy who doesn’t need to read things to think they know what they are.

    is that my predecessor had completed an inquiry literally as I arrived, and we had put a lot of resources into that inquiry.

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:01 am

    Prof. Triggs : There are a number of reasons why I did not call an inquiry exactly at that moment, as I would very much have liked to have done, and that was that it was very well known and understood that we would have an election within weeks

    She was elected in July 2012. The election was not until Sept 2013.

  36. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:07 am

    Read her explanations nIl, before yabbering senselessly

  37. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:11 am

    “”…………..as I would very much have liked to have done, and that was that it was very well known and understood that we would have an election within weeks”” ………..and that would have meant it would have been a report upon the ALPs time in office. So the kids had to be a bit patient.

    Was what she meant to say !

    Her track record on “inconvenient”” children is not too good at all when ya think back.

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:17 am

    There are plenty of partisan people with good intentions, and as I’ve said some of them post here.

    I think Ms Triggs is well intended towards her role, except that she put some partisan/political issues in front of doing her job “without fear or favour”

    This has obviously tainted her report.

  39. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:21 am

    she put some partisan/political issues in front of doing her job

    Sorry, you worded it wrong, she put political considerations, in the hope it wouldn’t be seen as partisan.

    Was what she meant to say !

    But what she DID say was

    There are a number of reasons why

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:33 am

    Ms Triggs could have commenced the inquiry 13 months earlier, commencing didn’t require her to call contentious evidence during an election period, it didn’t mean she had to publish the report during the election campaign.

    Who knows, if she’d started the report might have been published 10 months later, or 14 months later.

    But her own judgement was to delay even commencing to accommodate the politics.

    She put political complications in front of acting without fear or favour, meanwhile a couple of thousand children were in detention for an extra year.

    Ms Triggs’ own judgement has tainted the report.

  41. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:37 am

    But her own judgement was to delay even commencing to accommodate the politics.

    Amongst several other considerations, including resources, the fact that another report had just been completed and the anniversary of the other similar report.

    The reasoning adds up, unless of course you just cherry pick one reason and then pretend it is partisan in nature.

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:46 am

    TomR is trying to defend the indefensible.

    So TRiggs delayed the report. You do not delay reports like that for any reason.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:50 am

    Prof. Triggs : I really must challenge the premise of your question, because throughout the period of the former government the commission conducted an inquiry. My predecessor conducted an inquiry.

    Yes, Graham Innes [Australia’s Human Rights Commissioner for three and a half years] was on The Drum yesterday and said that there were inquiries held into children in detention during Labor’s time in office, he had conducted three of them himself.

  44. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:50 am

    You do not delay reports like that for any reason.

    Except perhaps if

    1) An election is imminent (caretaker period etc)
    2) A report has just been completed into this area
    3) An anniversary is coming up that will highlight just how far we have come in ten years.

    Except perhaps then. And, of course, once it is released, you should not shoot the messenger, but instead, read it, and then decide.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:59 am

    That is what has tainted her report, though I’ve no doubt its findings are entirely warranted.

    Then the report isn’t tainted … its the government whinging about the timing … this IS year TWO of their first (and last I suspect) term …

    I want to know just what IS in the Report?

  46. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:09 am

    he had conducted three of them himself.

    Ah, I see the problem

    0 = 3

    hockeys helped them out there 😉

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:09 am

    Hal Wootten: Why I Signed Up To The Open Letter In Defence Of Gillian Triggs:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/26/hal-wootten-why-i-signed-open-letter-defence-gillian-triggs

    Royal Commissioner Hal Wootten comes to the defence of an honourable public servant maligned by base politics…

    Ian Macdonald: Great At Sexism, Not So Good At Reading And Writing:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/25/ian-macdonald-great-sexism-not-so-good-reading-and-writing

    Sometimes, angry rants are best slept on overnight, then deleted. Or you could do what Senator Ian Macdonald just did…

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:13 am

    Why is the report being delayed by the government?

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:15 am

    That’s interesting. Ms Triggs predecessor said he could do one inquiry a year, but Ms Triggs couldn’t even start one in a year.

  50. February 26, 2015 11:18 am

    “”Why is the report being delayed by the government?””

    It’s already publicly available TB (see link below)…

    As an independent body the HRC doesn’t need the government’s “permission” to release the report.

    Which as you can imagine only makes Abbott and his neanderthals even more apoplectic…

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/publications/forgotten-children-national-inquiry-children

  51. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:22 am

    said he could do one inquiry a year

    Please Explain?

  52. February 26, 2015 11:24 am

    “That’s interesting”

    Actually not really…

    Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong to warrant her being stood down from her job.

    After 7 hours of intense questioning question, bullying, harassment and intimidation, Senators Ian Macdonald, Barry O’Sullivan and AG George Brandis couldn’t actually point to one single thing..

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:31 am

    Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong

    It’s quite bizarre. After reading the report, it actually has Labor looking, if anything, worst than the Libs.

    So why this asinine attack?

    Is there a bigger game? Or are they just so paranoid?

    And where’s timmy wilson?

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:35 am

    “Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong to warrant her being stood down from her job.”

    She shouldn’t be stood down. Her role as an independent commissioner is not subject to the whim of the minister.

    She should instead resign in shame. Her conduct has compromised the independence of her office.

  55. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:38 am

    Her conduct has compromised the independence of her office.

    Can you perhaps highlight the conduct that has compromised the independence of her office?

  56. February 26, 2015 11:42 am

    “”Her conduct has compromised the independence of her office.””

    Guffaw

    If anything her conduct has highlighted the sheer incompetence of Messrs Brandis, Macdonald and O’Sullivan.

    Even Brandis was left bewildered at the any of the day muttering “I don’t know where we can go from here…”

    Which is a fairly candid assessment of the entire LNP government.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:43 am

    Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong to warrant her being stood down from her job.

    I don’t think I’ve said she should be stood down. I’ve said I think her report is tainted due to her owning up that she delayed commencing it because of the political context.

    I’m not even saying that she should be dismissed, or offered another job, or that Brandis & Abbott are right, it’s simply that Ms Triggs showed an element of partisan or political behaviour. Her own judgement and actions have caused the distraction.
    ——–
    Please Explain?

    I’m only relying on AO’s comment – that her predecessor had conducted 3 inquiries in 3½ years.

    As a matter of interest, what did those reports say about a couple of thousand children in detention?

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:47 am

    It’s already publicly available TB (see link below)…

    Thanks, sreb … gotta tell ya I’m over the crap with this … surely it demonstrates the insensitivity of Australia’s politicians whoever they are … should be a few belting their desks with their shoes over this!

    What have we become … another day of words and inaction!

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:47 am

    The shame belongs to the abbott government, who have once again shown themselves to be unfit for high office. Their conduct has compromised a core principle of democracy itself, the separation of powers. Abbott has trashed just about every aspect of the westminster tradition of parliament, what we see now in parliament is just a nonsense.

    Overblown attack on Gillian Triggs leaves messy egg on Attorney-General George Brandis’s face
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/overblown-attack-on-gillian-triggs-leaves-messy-egg-on-attorneygeneral-george-brandiss-face-20150225-13nr0s.html

    …Moreover, she had met only one minister during the caretaker period – at his request – and had been advised that it was not in breach of the caretaker convention. Finally, the consistencies in her previous testimony had all been clarified in correspondence to the committee.

    To the suggestion that she had confided in either Brandis’ department head or in her human rights commissioners that she was considering resigning, the answer was emphatic. It wasn’t true.

    This, combined with her determination to continue to perform her role to the best of her ability, left Brandis with but one conclusion: “I don’t know where we go from here,” he said…

    The Islamophobia stirred up by Abbott and Bolt is a bigger threat to us than terrorism
    Julian Burnside
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/26/the-islamophobia-stirred-up-by-abbott-and-bolt-is-a-bigger-threat-to-us-than-terrorism

    …Right now, Islamophobia is the new antisemitism, and it is dangerous…

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:51 am

    Tom R, why play here we go round the mulberry bush again. You know the arguments and you have your excuses down pat.

    The timing of the inquiry suggests she is a partisan political hack as do her inconsistent excuses for that timing as does her meeting with the Minister Burke in the caretaker period.

    Given that you also are a partisan political hack yourself it is no wonder that you see nothing wrong with her behaviour.

    I am happy to hammer both sides, but on this particular issue I think her conduct, taken as a whole, has diminished her office.

    Further, her conduct has proved a major distraction from her substantive mission. Decent people in that situation, who put their mission above their own ego, resign. Unfortunately that idea is absent not only from both parties but also from the political hacks they appoint to statutory bodies.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:53 am

    “The shame belongs to the abbott government, who have once again shown themselves to be unfit for high office.

    The shame belongs to the ALP/Greens and the people who voted for them. It was the ALP who locked all these people up.

    And if the ALP wins the next election they will do the same. Natural totalitarians cannot help locking people up.

  62. February 26, 2015 11:58 am

    “”she delayed commencing it because of the political context.””

    Is that an established fact, or just an assertion?

  63. February 26, 2015 12:01 pm

    “” I think her conduct, taken as a whole, has diminished her office.
    Further, her conduct has proved a major distraction from her substantive mission. “”

    “Her” conduct… FMD… She’s been entirely polite, cooperative and dignified throughout this entire ordeal.

    I can only assume you didn’t see the Senate Estimates enquiry the other day where the LNP bovver boys were behaving like pigs?

  64. February 26, 2015 12:02 pm

  65. February 26, 2015 12:08 pm

    “As a matter of interest, what did those reports say about a couple of thousand children in detention?”

    They said you need to x-ray detainees’ wrists to ascertain whether they are kiddies children minors. As far as I can tell, anyway.

  66. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:12 pm

    The timing of the inquiry suggests she is a partisan political hack as do her inconsistent excuses for that timing

    Her reasoning has remained the same, there is no inconsistency, unless you can show it.

    her meeting with the Minister Burke in the caretaker period.

    Which, as shown above, had nothing to do with the report and, as my bold showed

    That meeting was not inconsistent with the caretaker protocols

    I would argue it is the behaviour of the grubmint and ltdnews that has proved a major distraction.

  67. February 26, 2015 12:16 pm

    “”I would argue it is the behaviour of the grubmint and ltdnews that has proved a major distraction.””

    STRONGLY AGREE!

    Compare Malcolm’s calm measured response to the report. That’s PM Material, not Abbott’s destroy the messenger at any cost approach.

    Abbott always was and always will be unsuitable to PM.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:24 pm

    “Abbott always was and always will be unsuitable to PM.”

    At least we can agree on that!

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:27 pm

    “That’s PM Material,”

    Says the person who would never vote for him.

    Reading the comments of the ALP/Greens supporters i can say that you people do not care about people.

    You only care about the ALP/Greens no matter what damage they do to Australia.

  70. February 26, 2015 12:29 pm

    Interesting: “Justice John Burns on Thursday found the prosecution had not proven Mr Slipper did not conduct parliamentary business on his visits to Canberra region wineries.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peter-slipper-conviction-overturned-by-canberra-court-20150226-13p7b1.html

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:34 pm

    …As a matter of interest, what did those reports say about a couple of thousand children in detention?…

    Have just re-watched it for you

    Innes didn’t say, he was initially talking [with peter martin] about the changes to disability pension and jobs [and pointedly, lack of disability commissioner in HRC]. He was asked what he thought about the triggs issue and thought it an appalling lack of respect re rule of law. He said he was part of the decision to run that kids in detention inquiry and immigration detention has been an issue that the commission has been running inquiries on for the last decade or so.
    When asked specifically about the timing of it by steve cannane, he said those inquiries happened all the way through labor’s term in govt, he ran three of them and now another one has happened while the coalition is in govt [no biggie]. There’s no basis for criticism and says it is classic ‘shoot the messenger’.

    Peter Martin [economist] thought there was more to the issue than the fact that the coalition had quite a good story to tell on AS and ‘stopping the boats etc. [as discussed with a female commenter, don’ know who she is] He said the length of time in detention has gone up and when he looks at it he thinks “what have they got to hide, what are they guilty of, there is some secret they want to deflect attention from, which is the length of time that children have been held in detention has been shooting up”. He says economists have a view on “how you add up misery, how you add up happiness”, says “it might be said that having one person or a few people locked up for two years might be worse than a large number for just a few months”

    I assume you can see previous reports somewhere on the HRC. You can catch the drum episode on iView too.

    No need to thank me 🙂

  72. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:34 pm

    I found this right at the end of the article tosy

    A Canberra court has thrown out Peter Slipper’s conviction for defrauding the Commonwealth.

    By end, I mean the top end 😉

  73. February 26, 2015 12:38 pm

    “I found this right at the end of the article tosy”

    So you can read, then.

  74. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:40 pm

    So you can read, then.

    Guess I’ll never get on an estimates committee for the libs hey 😉

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:41 pm

    I would argue it is the behaviour of the grubmint and ltdnews that has proved a major distraction.

    Deliberately so.

    They have nothing to fear if they’ve done nothing wrong [so they keep telling us] 😉

  76. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:45 pm

    The Abbott government’s efforts to scale back the renewable energy target (RET) have set the industry back 12 years, a Senate estimates hearing has heard.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ret-negotiations-set-industry-back-12-years-clean-energy-finance-corporation-20150225-13ok66.html

    Open for (some) business.

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:47 pm

    Did anybody read this article?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands.

    That article was dated March 2013. But Triggs said one of the reasons she delayed her report was that she was getting adequate information from the ALP govt.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:52 pm

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:54 pm

    “The Abbott government’s efforts to scale back the renewable energy target (RET) have set the industry back 12 years”

    Excellent news. That “industry” is just a bunch welfare leeches depending on government grants and regulations for survival while its executives and the bankers who stitch-up the wind farm deals grow fat.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 12:57 pm

    Forget coal seem gas, KL. We have a cheap energy source – coal. We should build more power stations that use coal to provide cheap power. Do that and break the union/bikie gang cartel and we might actually get some investment in industry.

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:00 pm

    Meanwhile Andrews is fucking up Victoria, running it for the benefit of his union overlords and Boss Ludwig’s minions are back in control of Queensland. By the time Pallachook works out the GST rate that state will be in economic ruin as well.

  82. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:01 pm

    That article was dated March 2013. But Triggs said one of the reasons she delayed her report was that she was getting adequate information from the ALP govt.

    Have you followed any of the comments above. That was one of the reasons why not earlier on. There were also several other reasons. It is all laid out for you back up thread

  83. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:02 pm

    Forget coal seem gas, KL. We have a cheap energy source – THE SUN

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:04 pm

    TomR

    Triggs said she was getting adequate information under Labor.

    However in March 2013 under ALP/greens she was denied access to Manus Island.

    The women is a liar.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

  85. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:07 pm

    Triggs said she was getting adequate information under Labor.

    “was” is probably the word you need to examine closely there nIl

    Remember, people were saying why there wasn’t one earlier. And, to be correct, it was Triggs predecessor who said their access to the sites was good enough.

    Just trying to get the record straight before you go off down another rabbit hole

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:09 pm

    “We have a cheap energy source – THE SUN”

    Not by the time it is converted to electricity. When it can produce continuous baseload power on a reasonable scale cheaply then its time will come. Until then I guess you’ll just keep wanking on.

  87. February 26, 2015 1:10 pm

    “Forget coal seem gas, KL. We have a cheap energy source – THE SUN”

    The source is cheap, but converting its energy to usable power, not so much.

  88. February 26, 2015 1:11 pm

    You beat me to it, sb. Just.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:20 pm

    Tom R also knows it very well, ToSY. We both should stop feeding that troll!

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:24 pm

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:43 pm

    Hey AO

    Why don’t you read this article again

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    Triggs was banned from going to Manus Island in March 2013 under ALP/Greens

    Yet you said how evil the Coaliton were for doing this.

    In March 2013 the ALP was in power.

  92. February 26, 2015 1:50 pm

    Neil I think you’ll find that Triggs has been critical of both the ALP and LNP governments so I fail to see what your point is.

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:59 pm

    My point is this. Here is what AO said about that article dated March 2013

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/abbott-govt-attack-on-gillian-triggs-backfires/#comment-96827

    Thanks NA

    That puts the government’s AS policy into perspective really, a secret prison with no-one allowed inside in case they hear the screams.

    Haven’t they recently been saying to people re privacy and metadata “those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear’”

    AO is just a partisian deadbeat. Triggs was banned from going to Manus under Labor in March 2013 but AO blames the Coalition who were not even in govt.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 1:59 pm

    Not by the time it is converted to electricity.

    The technology for power storage is still lagging behind generation … but its way ahead of carbon sequestration …

    Oh, that’s right …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws

  95. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:08 pm

    We both should stop feeding that troll!

    Or the Troll will just keep reminding you who the trolls are 😉

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/12/02/3081889.htm

    (Although I’m sure you are both aware of that article, or at least its arguments)

  96. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:08 pm

  97. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:09 pm

  98. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:11 pm

    Is there anyone on the grubmint who won’t become tainted by this visceral attack?

  99. February 26, 2015 2:12 pm

    “”Not by the time it is converted to electricity. When it can produce continuous baseload power on a reasonable scale cheaply then its time will come. Until then I guess you’ll just keep wanking on…””

    Big solar ’emerging as cheapest power source’: institute

    By 2025, the cost of producing large-scale solar power in Australia will have declined to between $0.05 and $0.15 per kilowatt hour, and by 2050 to as low as $0.02 to $0.11, according to a study by the Fraunhofer Institute.

    The study – Current and Future Cost of Photovoltaics – uses only ‘conservative’ assumptions about technological developments expected for solar energy, which it expects to be the lowest cost power source elsewhere as well.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/big-solar-emerging-as-cheapest-power-source-institute/story-e6frg90f-1227239302625

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:17 pm

    Neil I think you’ll find that Triggs has been critical of both the ALP and LNP governments so I fail to see what your point is.

    There is no point [is there ever any in his ‘gotchas’ except trollbaiting?] that’s why I’ve ignored him. For some reason he thinks repeating it over and over will prove something.
    It was a legal issue, which I assume was rectified after govt. getting further legal advice as she herself says that she was visiting centres in 2013.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/dont-shoot-the-messenger-says-human-rights-commission-president-gillian-triggs-20150215-13evmp.html

    …The report of that inspection visit was the first of three reports, six background papers and five extensive submissions to parliamentary and other inquiries that the commission completed on asylum-seeker issues in my first 15 months as president.

    In addition to this, as president I handle complaints made under the commission’s legislation which allege breaches of human rights. Between January 2009 and September, 2014, the commission received 159 complaints in relation to children in immigration detention – each of which is separately investigated and conciliated by the commission.

    So where was I and the commission in 2013? We were using the range of powers and functions available to us to address the longstanding and ongoing concerns about the treatment of asylum-seeker children. We were in detention centres, publishing reports and investigating complaints. Consistently, we were highlighting the collateral damage to children of maintaining a mandatory immigration detention policy.

    The year 2013 saw a peak in the number of asylum seekers globally – largely as a result of the unrest of the Arab Spring. This impacted on Australia, with asylum seeker numbers rising to a record high in July 2013. There were 1992 children in detention in that month. By October 2013, efforts to move children into the community had reduced this number to 1045.

    In stark contrast, over the six months after the new government took office, it became clear that children were being held for significant periods and were not being released. While the boats were stopping, the children were being detained for lengthening periods of time. When the inquiry was announced in February, 2014 children had been held on average for seven months and 1006 remained in closed indefinite detention…

  101. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:28 pm

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:32 pm

    QT:
    Warren snowden’s just been thrown out of parliament.

    Shorten straight into his first question re gilian trigg

    Division going on now re naming & suspension of jim chalmers [labor MP] who got told to withdraw and leave for calling PM a “pathological liar” he then repeated it as he withdrew and got ‘named’ for his trouble.

    What is the no. 82 item on the IPA wish list?
    https://ipa.org.au/publications/2110/25-more-ideas-for-tony-abbott

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dont-shoot-the-messenger-gillian-triggs-tells-critics-20150114-12o1gh.html

    …”A few weeks ago the government announced plans to slash the commission’s funding. Now the Prime Minister and other senior ministers are publicly criticising the president. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that both the cuts and the criticism are politically motivated – retribution against the commission for doing its job.”…

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:37 pm

    AO you should read this. You are so wrong.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96924

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:43 pm

    “The year 2013 saw a peak in the number of asylum seekers globally – largely as a result of the unrest of the Arab Spring. This impacted on Australia, with asylum seeker numbers rising to a record high in July 2013.”

    What a fucking lying troll. Australian asylum seeker numbers rose because the ALP put the people-traffickers back in business and when they finally realised the consequences of their murderous policies they were too incompetent to do anything about it so the numbers kept increasing. The drop in boat arrivals from 20,000 in 2013 to nil in 2014 had nothing to do with global factors and everything to do with government policy.

    The refugee-drowners moaned and wailed that the Coalition’s policies would not stop the drownings. But they did and for that Morrison will never be forgiven.

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:44 pm

    dreyfus just asking for the government to release the notes taken by the secretary [moriatis] as very important issue. Abbott craps on about notes belonging to the gentleman who made them and they have total trust in him – don’t attack his honesty & integrity [short answer – get fkd] *hypocrisy alert*

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:50 pm

    Hey AO

    Do you have anything to say about your comments about this article?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96922

    Triggs was banned from going to Manus Island in March 2013 but you abused the Coalition for banning her from going. The Coalition were not in power in March 2013.

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:51 pm

    …But they did and for that Morrison will never be forgiven…

    morrison will never be forgiven for secret gulags, orange plastic bubbles, refoulement policies, torture, burned hands on pipes, two deaths in his custody, the length of children in custody, the sexual, emotional and physical abuse of children in detention.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:53 pm

    neil, no matter how much you repeat and stalk, I have no intention of giving you or your link any attention at all. It’s not as if you have a history of genuine debate.

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:57 pm

    Julie bishop repeating twice – no job offers made to HRC “as the secretary said “it is a sensitive matter and didn’t wish to give details” so she won’t!

  110. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:57 pm

    lolz

    Apparently there was no job offer for Triggs, just a “specific role”

    ROFL

  111. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:58 pm

    While I’m ROFL’ing

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 2:59 pm

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:00 pm

    hah, I got it too tomR!

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:02 pm

    “neil, no matter how much you repeat and stalk, I have no intention of giving you or your link any attention at all. It’s not as if you have a history of genuine debate

    Too funny. Somebody posted this link

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    You then went into Coalition abuse mode. But you were too stupid to read the date.

    It was in March 2013 that Triggs was stopped from going to Manus island.

    You should apologise for your incorrect statements about the Coalition.

  115. February 26, 2015 3:03 pm

    “it is a sensitive matter and didn’t wish to give details”

    LOL a sensitive matter for whom? George Brandis??

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:04 pm

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:07 pm

    so you’ve said, over & over & over & over & over again neil, go bother someone else, still not interested.

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:11 pm

    Yes and you never apologised for your incorrect comments.

    You abused the Coalition for not allowing Triggs to go to Manus Island.

    But you were tooooooo stupid to read the date of the article (March 2013).

    It was the ALP/Greens who stopped Triggs

  119. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:12 pm

    Yes and you never apologised for your incorrect comments.

    ROFL

    You first perhaps nIl 😉

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:15 pm

    “morrison will never be forgiven for …..”

    Imagine the rage if he’d drowned 1,200 refugees!

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:18 pm

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:20 pm

    That Bernard Keane extract seals it for the government … any minister or backbencher attempting to lie that an offer wasn’t put to Triggs is in contempt of parliament and the people of Australia … and Brandis and Moriarty (I know) have some serious legal issues coming up … the Attorney General FFS!

    Just who IS running our country??

  123. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:21 pm

    “Is there an emoji for sprung?”

    lol

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:22 pm

    And people talk about terrorists and bikies … The Mad Abbott is akin to Attila The Hun!

    It really is amazing to watch it unravel …

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:26 pm

    “Imagine the rage if he’d drowned 1,200 refugees!”

    I am anti-Labor more than pro- coalition.

    Not only did Labor voters drown all these people, they stopped thousands of people from UNHCR camps from entering Australia.

  126. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:28 pm

    No job offer, it was a ‘competitive roll evaluation offer process’ ROFL

    Do they think Triggs is a friggin submarine?

  127. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:29 pm

  128. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:29 pm

    Not only did Labor voters drown all these people

    And you want other people to apologise ROFL

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:40 pm

    In the senate, it’s now a ‘specific senior role’, uhlmann says labor saying “what’s the difference between a job and a role?”

    stop being a dipshit neil, I owe you nothing.

    you linked to this:

    “Thanks NA
    That puts the government’s AS policy into perspective really, a secret prison with no-one allowed inside in case they hear the screams.
    Haven’t they recently been saying to people re privacy and metadata “those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear’”

    I stand by everything I’ve said. Now tell me where I am wrong on their detention policy [secret] and the statements on metadata.

    Can you tell me where the ‘abuse’ is in my comment you linked to? I hardly think that you have any moral authority when it comes to abuse in comments anyway, you little hypocrite and attention seeking troll 🙄

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:48 pm

    What’s the definition of an aggressive derailing troll?

    Could it be someone who spends the better part of two days trying to manufacture a gotcha over a non-issue while the rest of the discussion and debate flies right over his head?

  131. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:57 pm

    “”But they did and for that Morrison will never be forgiven…………for denying them a few hundred drownings as their political trophies””

    Fixed that for Ya Splatter as you missed a bit

  132. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 3:57 pm

    his head?

    Sure you didn’t mean “their” head AO 😉

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:11 pm

    I agree with this, I think labor has to admit to their own part in the harm caused to AS before they can move forward.

    The truth and repent will set them free.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:21 pm

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:22 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:25 pm

  137. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:28 pm

    “”Multiple sources say Triggs canvassed quitting in discussion w Moraitis & made it clear she would only do so if “looked after”……….””

    Ha…………….why am I not surprised given her conflicting and misleading bullshit evidence before the original Senate hearings when she initially could’n’t recall meeting Labor ministers then claims Moriatis contacted her first when it was her contacting him.

    She’s a lying sack of shit !

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:30 pm

    “I stand by everything I’ve said. Now tell me where I am wrong on their detention policy [secret] and the statements on metadata.”

    You were commenting on an article dated March 2013.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    You thought it was the Coalition who banned Triggs from going to Manus Island. It was actually the ALP who banned Triggs.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 4:39 pm

    Ha…………….why am I not surprised …

    ‘Cause you only saw the bit that you wanted to see, yer Wally … read the other tweets …

  140. February 26, 2015 4:49 pm

    I like all these tweets. They expose Van Onselen, Bongiorno and Grattan as partisan barrackers, not reporters. The same goes for Jericho, Keane and Koukoulas, but we already knew that. I wouldn’t even call Margo Kingston a journalist, so she’s off the hook.

  141. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 5:28 pm

    why am I not surprised given her conflicting and misleading bullshit evidence before the original Senate hearings when she initially could’n’t recall meeting Labor minister

    REALLY

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96843

    Fucken educate yourself

  142. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 5:55 pm

    They expose Van Onselen, Bongiorno and Grattan as partisan barrackers, not reporters.

    Well, to be honest, they are tweeting, not reporting. And, is there bias in the comments, or merely surprise at the outstanding stupidity and pathetic excuses of the grubmint?

  143. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 5:56 pm

  144. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 6:17 pm

    “”Prof. Triggs : If it is in the Hansard then the Hansard must be corrected…………””

    ROFLMAO………………..its all Hansard’s fault

    By the way TomRsole……………..go fuck yourself. I’m not playing your circular games.

    And you never did answer my question from last week specifically to you as to why you reckon our fiscal position is nothing to concern yourself about but Wayne Swan and Bowen were preoccupied with Surpluses whilst in Office even though they never delivered one.

    Only 2 out of 3 people can be correct. And you are as usual not one of them.

  145. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 6:52 pm

    If it is in the Hansard then the Hansard must be corrected

    Except, the Hansard didn’t need to be corrected, did it. The inquisitor was lying. She had never denied meeting the labor ministers, she had denied meeting them at a specific time.

    You too could do with edimication wally 😉

    And you never did answer my question from last week

    That’s unlike me. Perhaps you can link to the question? Although, I think I recall something like it, and I do recall saying something along the lines of, I’m not Wayne Swan (I can tell, I don’t have a Worlds Greatest Treasurer Statue 😉 )

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 6:53 pm

    You were commenting on an article dated March 2013.

    I’ve been thinking SO FKN WHAT all this time, but now I see what you’re on about. But, I didn’t see the relevance! You got your gotcha neil, I admit my error!

    No apology to you because I still stand by my comments, even more so after your dogged determination to shout IT WAS LABOR!!

    I didn’t notice the date, or immediately calculate who was ‘the federal government’ in question at the time [as you do first and foremost for every single issue]. The article doesn’t talk about which govt, labor or liberal, it just says ‘the federal govt’ So in my defence I think it was quite understandable. However, mistake or not, I do still stand by my comments about this issue. I had mistakenly assumed the article was directly relevant to the discussion going on and that ‘the federal government’ reference meant the government now.

    AR’s link [which you pounced upon and trawled through for any possible labor blame] says this:

    …The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands…

    Not labor, a federal legal advisor.

    ….Legal advice from the Solicitor-General, sent to Professor Triggs’ office late last week, argued she did not have the jurisdictional power on Manus Island and Nauru to hear the complaints of people kept in offshore processing centres.

    She could still hear and consider complaints from Australia but would be unable to verify conditions firsthand…

    A spokeswoman for the Attorney-General said that the government had not given any direction to Professor Triggs but said she had made a decision based on legal advice.

    Professor Triggs, who first announced her intention to visit Nauru in October, was told she would have to get legal advice about whether she had jurisdiction to hear the complaints at Nauru’s processing centre.

    But the initial legal advice given to Professor Triggs’ office states she has jurisdiction only over people on Australian soil, including asylum seekers kept in mainland detention centres and on Christmas Island, an Australian territory…

    What part of that says labor banned her from manus? What proof do you have to say that?

    Where’s all this abuse etc that you were ranting about eh?

    Manus is in another country isn’t it?

    How do you know that the legals didn’t get sorted out and triggs didn’t go to manus after all?

    Were you just trying to be a pedantic arsehole and get yourself back to labor, labor, labor.

    Don’t hold your breath for an apology over that, I think it was a mistake easily made and I’m more angry about the stalking from you for so long over such a pathetic thing.

    I would like to reiterate, just so we’re very clear, I don’t care if it’s labor or liberal, they have both behaved inhumanely and allowed immense psychological, physical, sexual and emotional abuse and trauma to innocent people.

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 7:27 pm

    Looks like turnbull and bishop will go head to head in the next spill.

    Turnbull told he’s got numbers to take top job:
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26443370/turnbull-told-he-s-got-numbers-to-takeover/

    …It won’t be a free ride for Malcolm Turnbull either – 7News can reveal that Julie Bishop’s supporters are now making clear that while she does not support another spill, if one is forced, this time she will stand against Mr Turnbull…

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 7:30 pm

    I would like to reiterate, just so we’re very clear, I don’t care if it’s labor or liberal, they have both behaved inhumanely and allowed immense psychological, physical, sexual and emotional abuse and trauma to innocent people.

    Me too, KL … and you may have noticed but I’ve stopped feeding the troll.

    I play with ToSY, tho’ (he has a revenge agenda) … but I keep telling him I’m not moving in … he gets so antsy … 😉

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 7:38 pm

    Except, the Hansard didn’t need to be corrected, did it. The inquisitor was lying. She had never denied meeting the labor ministers, she had denied meeting them at a specific time…

    She had made specific qualifications about that meeting and they should be reflected in hansard, she knew she had done everything right. If they have put anything different in hansard, it’s not true and must be corrected. She had denied meeting the labor minister inappropriately during the caretaker period, it was at the minister’s request and the subject of the meeting wasn’t a caretaker breach.

  150. February 26, 2015 7:48 pm

    Fantastic to see such support for the HRC and in essence for human rights. Maybe there is hope for Australia and Australians afterall.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 7:53 pm

    Maybe there is hope for Australia and Australians afterall.

    Indeed, iac, people often say we don’t have a culture in Australia … we do … and part of that is “looking after you mates” and “lending a hand to you neighbour” always comes to the fore …

    Despite the best attempts at making Aussies look like the worst of international neighbours!

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 7:57 pm

    “I don’t care if it’s labor or liberal,”

    I highly doubt that. Your response to that article is now completely different now that you realise that in March 2013 it was the ALP/Greens in government.

    It also shows that Triggs is most probably lying again. She said she held off her enquiry because she was getting adequate access to detention centers. But she was banned from getting access to Manus Island under Labor.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:05 pm

    Total BS neil, get fucked!

    …Me too, KL … and you may have noticed but I’ve stopped feeding the troll…

    I’m done with the mendacious moron too.

  154. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:08 pm

    I would like to reiterate, just so we’re very clear, I don’t care if it’s labor or liberal, they have both behaved inhumanely and allowed immense psychological, physical, sexual and emotional abuse and trauma to innocent people.

    I AGREE!

    It’s been a shameful period for oz, but, I cannot see it improving.

  155. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:09 pm

    She said she held off her enquiry because she was getting adequate access to detention centers.

    link?

  156. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:11 pm

    I’m done with the mendacious moron too.

    My Bad 😦

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:12 pm

    I’m done with the mendacious moron too.

    Chuckle … I’m a big fan of alliteration …

  158. February 26, 2015 8:15 pm

    “”Indeed, iac, people often say we don’t have a culture in Australia … we do*””

    *Australia meaning everywhere except Queensland.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:42 pm

    *Australia meaning everywhere except Queensland.

    Where a father and son just became millionaires overnight … requested crowd funding for $70,000 brought in over $3 million and climbing! For a brilliantly simple idea …

    Talented – QUEENSLANDER! 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In breaking news I see that Malcolm T has the numbers but the backbenchers say the Cabinet members have to make the move …

    LOL! What a bunch of spindly, legged cowards they are … the longer The Mad Abbott writes the sermons the lower the LNP will go in the polls …

    Simmer, simmer … love it …

  160. February 26, 2015 8:47 pm

    “I play with ToSY, tho’ (he has a revenge agenda) … but I keep telling him I’m not moving in … he gets so antsy … ;)”

    What are you on about now, you silly old cunt nice man from Queensland?

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 8:47 pm

    Don’t worry about anything, ToSY, I still love you …

  162. February 26, 2015 8:51 pm

    Heehee. I love fucking playing with you, too. 😯

  163. February 26, 2015 8:56 pm

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:13 pm

    😛

  165. Heather Wright permalink
    February 26, 2015 9:52 pm

    Yes and Amen. I support Gillian Triggs.

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:06 pm

    “The article doesn’t talk about which govt, labor or liberal, it just says ‘the federal govt’”

    It shows the bias of the Sydney Morning Herald.

    If a Coalition govt was in power when Triggs was banned from going to Manus Island the article would make it very clear who was in power when the banning occurred.

    It shows how subtle bias is.

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:17 pm

    GUFFAW!

  168. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2015 10:48 pm

    “What are you on about now, you silly old ………..from Queensland?”

    Careful you’ll get him angry

    He did wear a uniform in the Boer War or something like that.

    Mmmmmmm. Actually it might have been something else. I do recall ” canons to the left of them canons to the right as they rode…….”

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:17 pm

    GUFFAW!

    😆

    The challenge is on:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-challenge-is-on.html

    …They’ve chosen to spy on us rather than engage with us, unable even to trust us with a definition of the information they would use against us. They can’t accept that the information we share with them must be used for our benefit, and the information they must share with us must also be used for our benefit, too. The government are public servants or they are nothing – and that idea looms as a bigger shirtfront to this Prime Minister than even the President of Russia could muster. It’s on, all right. You bet you are. You bet I am…

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2015 11:32 pm

    WHY DOES THE FBI HAVE TO MANUFACTURE ITS OWN PLOTS IF TERRORISM AND ISIS ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS?:
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/25/isis-material-support-plot-involved-confidential-informant/

  171. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 7:43 am

    canons to the left of them canons to the right as they rode…….

    Ah wally, you know I can’t resist

  172. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 7:48 am

    WHY DOES THE FBI HAVE TO MANUFACTURE ITS OWN PLOTS IF

    I think they spelt AFP wrong AO 😉

    The day they both mistake an earthquake madman for the fallout Terrorist,
    Just another when the wild wind blows

  173. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 8:01 am

    why am I not surprised

    Is it too “circular” 🙂

  174. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 8:03 am

    opps, first part of the above convo with Katherine Murphy

  175. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 8:06 am

    Interesting theory

    I followed the link, I shouldn’t have. But, here is an indication of the level of blind obtuseness some are lost in.

    Tony Abbott has performed well these past couple of weeks.

    Mind you, always good for a laff (riff raff)

  176. February 27, 2015 9:23 am

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 9:26 am

    The similarities between the Libs and R/G/R are so striking it is though they are copying Labor’s playbook. Thus there is no doubt that Julie Bishop will be PM before the next election.

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 9:52 am

    I get the pure hatred of Bolt even though he is a much better journo than the lockstep leftist ghouls that haunt Fairfax and the ABC. Their holier than thou demeanour dissolves into psychotic spasms of apoplectic arrhythmia precisely because Bolt is so effective in informing people of facts the left would like to see swept under the carpet and which are dutifully ignored or downplayed by the ABC and Fairfax.

    Often Bolt gets things wrong. Or sees things through rose coloured glasses:

    Scott Morrison. Morrison has performed brilliantly as Social Services Minister. The man who stopped the boat now charms the votes. He looks genial and constructive. His presentation of the problems with rising welfare payments this week was masterly. His media presentation skills are of a high order, and he now commands the respect of most interviewers.

    But it is accurate observations like this that really upset his critics:

    On ABC Radio National Breakfast, three women of the Left – Fran Kelly, Laura Tingle and Michelle Grattan – all agree with each other that the media has not pushed along the campaign against Abbott, and agree Abbott is hopeless etc etc etc.

    I’ve been reading Bolt a bit more lately. I’d definitely rate him above the leftist dreck the ABC shovels down our throats and he does get a few headshots away.

    Hint: if you post ridiculous tweets by deeply stupid trolls like Mark Kenny or Carlton or Kingston or Badham or Burnside or Rundle or their ilk you really do look stupidly hypocritical attacking Bolt.

    The leftist campaign against Bolt (and the Murdoch press generally) is designed to deny Australians the opportunity of hearing a point of view that differs from leftist groupthink. The left are so stupid they would much prefer to shut people up than argue with them. Their ideas are so rancid that they wilt in the sunlight of free speech.

  179. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 9:55 am

    even though he is a much better journo than those who are not convicted racists 😉

    Fran Kelly, Laura Tingle and Michelle Grattan, of ‘teh’ Left ROFL

    As has been said repeatedly, they are only left of Hitler, not necessarily Left

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 9:56 am

    🙄 Ricky, why do you even bother quoting that disingenuous discredited old carpetbagger Tony Windsor?

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 9:59 am

    Fran Kelly, in a rare moment of candour, described herself as an activist. Must be right-wing activist then, eh?

  182. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:05 am

    Fran Kelly might be a fruitloop, that doesn’t make her left or right, just fruit.

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:08 am

    So what examples do you have of her fruitiness looping in a rightward direction?

  184. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:16 am

    So what examples do you have of her fruitiness looping in a leftward direction?

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:28 am

    The similarities between the Libs and R/G/R are so striking it is though they are copying Labor’s playbook. Thus there is no doubt that Julie Bishop will be PM before the next election.

    I disagree … the R/G/R silliness was about internal factional struggles in the ALP …

    The current crisis is about the voters not wanting The Mad Abbott … his policies are ideological in the extreme and Australia’s international reputation is heavily damaged … the country is being sold out via FTA … he’s trashed the Westminster System (damaged tho’ it was) and won’t pay the ADF but treats ’em like toy soldiers on a War Gaming table …

    He’s created more damage to the economy than I thought possible in so short a time …

    Abbott’s rogue and needs to be put down …

    🙄 Ricky, why do you even bother quoting that disingenuous discredited old carpetbagger Tony Windsor?

    ‘Cause he makes a lot of sense in very few words … unlike others …

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:31 am

    While at university Kelly became involved in the women’s movement and feminist theatre, and sang with bands.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Kelly

    Anyone who sings with bands would be a left wing activist.

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:35 am

    I disagree … the R/G/R silliness was about internal factional struggles in the ALP …

    Are you serious TB? Which faction was it that supported Rudd over Gillard?

    The motives for leadership change in the Liberals are exactly the same as they were under the ALP – parliamentarians crap themselves at the thought of losing their seats and having to go and find new jobs.

    In the ALP the impetus might be more organised, but the motivation for change is exactly the same.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:42 am

    Tick. What ToM said.

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:44 am

    Ah, the old answer a question with a question tactic, Troll R. You are never short on demanding examples but you don’t seem to like providing them your self.

  190. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:48 am

    “”………..and won’t pay the ADF but treats ‘em like toy soldiers on a War Gaming table … “”

    So enlighten me then.

    Why should a uniformed member of the ADF sitting in an army, airforce barracks on home soil or on a ship in the middle of Sydney Harbour on a sunny day like today be paid/or cop a percentage rise more than a public servant running the gauntlet of Canberra roundabouts and parking cops.

    Lets not talk about those combat zones or on UN missions or humanitarium missions who get paid various allowances.

    Why should a home soil ADF member get paid more or receive a larger payrise than a member of the Customs Department or perhaps a Federal Police Officer ?

  191. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:52 am

    You are never short on demanding examples but you don’t seem to like providing them your self.

    ROFL

    Oh, what, you were serious 😯

    Anyone who sings with bands would be a left wing activist.

    Wow, that’s decided it then 😉

  192. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:55 am

    kenny’s pushing the ‘Triggs asked for it’ (yes, I kept that ambiguous) line, with a thought free rant without any evidence but much (wilson?) sauce

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/triggs-was-prepared-to-shift-jobs/story-e6frg6nf-1227240725442

    However, multiple highly placed sources close to the government and the commission, together with the evidence at this week’s Senate estimates hearings, support the version of events that has Professor Triggs kicking off considerations about her future.

    “mulitple” sauces = Moraitis and ..?? wilson perhaps? lol
    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/23/is-australia-now-being-ruled-under-a-fascist-regime/#comment-96633

    As for “evidence” from the commission, this appears to be mainly a phone call Triggs made

    “Professor Triggs asked me to expressly seek from the attorney his views about her role and her status as chairman, which I undertook to do on my return to the office,” Mr Moraitis said.

    Sorry chris, this doesn’t equate to looking for another job (or ‘position’). It indicates somebody asking for clarification on someone elses view. To call it evidence is laughable.

    He also dips back into his slander of points so far unproven or proven to be wrong. Since he won’t get specific, it is difficult to tell.

    Professor Triggs ended last year deeply mired in controversy after a disastrous Senate estim­ates performance when she contradicted herself and failed to explain why she did not hold an inquiry into children in detention under Labor

    Well, Kenny is unable to highlight just where Triggs contradicted herself, and appears to have missed the details I listed where she explained just why she did not hold an inquiry into children in detention under Labor.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96840

    The fact that he doesn’t like the explanation does not mean the explanation is not there. All in all, an article about nothing, that provides more questions of the authors state of mind than anything.

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:59 am

    “I get the pure hatred of Bolt even though he is a much better journo than the lockstep leftist ghouls that haunt Fairfax and the ABC. “

    Bolt saved my sanity. I used to post with these people on Tim Dunlops blog back in 2007. I was amazed at the hatred shown by Labor supporters to John Howard. I had never seen such hatred and i thought Australians had gone mad.

    But in December 2007 i clicked on Bolts blog and said “I am home”

    “but I’ve stopped feeding the troll. “

    How long do i have to post before I am stopped being called a troll? I have been posting since 2007.

    There is almost nothing an ALP/Greens supporter says that i agree with. I disagree with most ALP/Greens supporters on most topics. I am not a troll. I give my honest opinion.

  194. February 27, 2015 11:02 am

    “”How long do i have to post before I am stopped being called a troll? “”

    LOL..

    I think that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy…

  195. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:03 am

    Bolt saved my sanity.

    I demand a second opinion!

  196. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:04 am

    AAAUUUUGGGGHHH

    FUCKERS!

    The Federal Government’s controversial $400 million plan to force telecommunications providers to store the metadata of all phone and internet users for two years will go ahead after the Labor party agreed to support the move.

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/web/metadata-retention-laws-will-pass-as-labor-folds-20150226-13qd4m.html

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:46 am

    The motives for leadership change in the Liberals are exactly the same as they were under the ALP – parliamentarians crap themselves at the thought of losing their seats and having to go and find new jobs.

    Can’t argue with the last sentence at all …

    Let me but in more simple terms …

    There’s was a lot of anger in ALP circles at the RGR argy bargy … but not much on the streets …

    Right now The Mad Abbott is seen as just that – on the streets … people are now talking openly about his poor performance and bad behaviour … he truly has angered a whole range of individuals and groups … both here and overseas … its astounding … he is a laughing stock in the UK according emails I get from family in both north and south of the country …

    … and most of the people I tend to associate with these days are LNP and monarchy supporters … to the extent that on many social occasions I’ve been given the big “nudge” by The Minister … these days I’m also careful about the quantity of booze I may imbibe!

    I might also point out that News Ltd with their current “reporting” are still having an each way bet – it almost looks unbiased … no such unbiased reporting with RGR …

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:47 am

    On ABC Radio National Breakfast, three women of the Left – Fran Kelly, Laura Tingle and Michelle Grattan – all agree with each other that the media has not pushed along the campaign against Abbott, and agree Abbott is hopeless etc etc etc.

    Three women of the left? hahaha, this is where the right look completely unhinged, picking targets to hate just for the sake of selling papers and working their always outraged bible thumping, conservative and very dumb audiences into a frenzy [sadly, I’ve read the comments there too]. So completely immersed in their culture wars, constantly looking for enemies, even if they have to make them up themselves. Just because those three journalists don’t carry on like the demented extreme right – miranda devine, sharri markson etc doesn’t make them left wing. It just makes them balanced and objective like most people who don’t live in the world of bolt who basically creates enemies just to sell papers and make himself as much money as possible.

    Bolt’s interpretations are nothing like journalism, it is an artful manufacturing and manipulation of half truths, outright lies and distortions deliberately designed to feed the hate and prejudice of his dumbed down audience. Most comments that I read in his blog really make you wonder about the sanity of the person, they seem to live in a land that bears no resemblance to the real world. It’s a place for the looney tunes to congregate and he panders to them, you couldn’t find a more miserable mob of angry, deluded and ignorant people if you tried.

    I’ve been reading Bolt a bit more lately.

    I can tell 😉

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:59 am

    …The Federal Government’s controversial $400 million plan to force telecommunications providers to store the metadata of all phone and internet users for two years will go ahead after the Labor party agreed to support the move…

    I just knew they would, Labor has been just as keen as the libs on this. How much of this has to do with pressure from the copyright predators rather than actual need for security concerns? We really have turned into a surveillance society, where all citizens are treated as criminals.

    No wonder people have moved to the greens, they’ve been the only ones speaking out against this invasion of privacy. Labor and libs have completely sold out our freedoms and rights to the corporocracy.

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 11:59 am

    HERE IS ANOTHER REASON I DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING AN ALP SUPPORTER SAYS

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/17/rostrum-19/#comment-96054

    “The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws (of which Australia is a signatory) against bribery and corruption in any business … FFS go back to school!”

    NO TB of Queensland. It was legal to sell food and medicine to Iraq. The Americans and Canadians were annoyed because AWB got the deal to sell wheat to Iraq rather than them.

    Just look up UN Oil For Food Program

    Like all ALP supporters you are deceitful.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:03 pm

    Lets not talk about those combat zones or on UN missions or humanitarium missions who get paid various allowances.

    We are talking about a base rate here not allowances …

    … my son spent 12 months in E Timor from Day 2 of the deployment … with two days R&R in Darwin … (his wife and 2yo son lived in Townsville)

    … he’d been med boarded from 3 to 1 just to get him there … this during an AAT hearing over his para accident for which they paid him the princely sum of $50k – four years after the accident … at the same time a pollie was paid $60K for falling of his fkn bike in Canberra within weeks!

    Various allowances for working under conditions you would have nightmares about.

    Many ADF members have been deployed to Afghanistan 2 and 3 times … there’s a lot of work around for an elite military of 50,000 people … who do you think is helping to clean up after Marcia? Certainly not Abbott and Turnbull – they’re just tourists …

    I might also remind you that ADF members are on call 24/7 365 days a year … and once they discharge generally forgotten by all governments …

    As for pay rises in the same period that the ADF were offered 1.5% pollies had received 34% … no … find the link yourself …

    What people don’t realise is that NCO’s particularly are resigning in large numbers – the backbone of the military anywhere …

    There ain’t much The Mad Abbott government hasn’t fkd up but this one may come and bite us all on the arse!

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:06 pm

    I think that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy…

    I don’t know why he doesn’t just go home and stay there … someone really should lock the gates …

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:06 pm

    “hahaha, this is where the right look completely unhinged”

    On the contrary, this is a typical case where stating the bleeding obvious sends leftists into paroxysms of purple rage. They hate being pinged for their corrupt bias.

    The very good point being made was that typically on the ABC a leftist presenter will have a couple of like-minded trolls as commenters who will all agree that Abbott is bad. This is standard operating procedure on the ABC. You will never on any mainstream ABC news or current affairs program have a conservative presenter with an entirely conservative panel. The closest you might get is a token conservative on Insiders, there for the sole purpose of being sneered at by Barrie and his leftist co-religionists.

    ABC news programming consists almost entirely of leftist ideologues thieving public resources to push their grubby agenda.

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:08 pm

    I tend agree with a comment that I read on twitter, I’ll just be glad to have a PM who can talk in sentences.

  205. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:09 pm

    You haven’t watched the Dum too often, have you sb 😉

    Can you name one that is all “lefty”

  206. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:12 pm

    “copyright predators”

    Ahemmmmmmmmmmmm !

    I think you mean the owners of the copyright.

    Rather than demonise the creative talents and those that pay them why dont you call them by their proper name rather than by your Leftist/Communist “everything you own I do too mentality”

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:12 pm

    my son spent 12 months in E Timor from Day 2 of the deployment …

    That was during Howard govt.

    What has that got to do with 2015

  208. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:14 pm

    “You haven’t watched the Dum”

    I’m sure you do

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:21 pm

    Abbott’s out of the safety of his office and into the political safety of the army. I just saw him ape walking amongst the troops in qld.

    You will never on any mainstream ABC news or current affairs program have a conservative presenter with an entirely conservative panel.

    Why the fck would you even want such a boring viewer turn off?
    As far as I can see there is nothing but conservative views on ABC & current affairs, they are positively crawling through the ABC like maggots.
    Never mind it being the opposite of fair, balanced and impartial.

    Skynews and that bolt show on ch 10, bolt, hadley, jones megaphone and multi media apearances would be pretty close. Are you not happy with the gigantic conservative RWNJ line up that exists now on our ABC – everyone from the oz, IPA – they seem to get a really good run, they’ve turned it into a rent-a-loony-rant.

  210. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:25 pm

    I’ve not watched The Drum at all. I listen to Philip Adams regularly and I don’t hear any conservative voices on LNL. The posturing old fart seems to spend a lot of time billing and cooing with major league idiots like Chomsky.

    Just for my edification, is there a regular segment on the Drum where a conservative presenter has an entirely conservative panel?

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:25 pm

    just ignore TB, resist, no point at all in taking the bait and letting him jerk-off in public!

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:29 pm

    “As far as I can see there is nothing but conservative views on ABC & current affairs”

    Relative to the looney-tunes progressive extremism you spout, that may actually be an accurate statement. The Greens, home as it is to sad old Moscow-line commos like Senator Rhiannon, makes most hum-drum leftist hacks look conservative.

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:33 pm

    Just for my edification, is there a regular segment on the Drum where a conservative presenter has an entirely conservative panel?

    I repeat, why would you even need that?

    There’s equally no regular segment on the drum where there is a progressive presenter and an entirely progressive panel either.
    The ABC presenters are so constrained by political correctness that they walk the tightrope, if anything I think they are too right wing and give the cranks too much airtime.

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:40 pm

    ” someone really should lock the gates …

    So says the Natural Totalitarian.

    A leopard never changes its spots.

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:43 pm

    Why do you think the population is rejecting right wing politics?

    First victoria then qld, wonder how it’ll go in NSW?

    Abbott has shown himself to be the complete nutter that keating warned us he would be and the libs are desperately trying to give him the boot for someone more moderate.

    That’s the problem, the conservative nutters, the teabags, have taken over the liberal party, there is no moderate and balanced voice getting out, all the public sees is this deranged US style teabag opinion and non-thought. It’s so extreme and cringeworthy that people just laugh.

  216. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:43 pm

    kenny gets called on his bullshit

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:45 pm

    Mate Australia is in big trouble.

    So wanting a balanced budget is right wing?

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 12:46 pm

    everything you own I do too mentality”

    unfortunately, even when we buy it and own it these days, it still belongs to them. Predatory practice, not copyright. How many times do people have to buy the one item?

  219. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:03 pm

    “HRC President @GillianTriggs has issued a statement denying the substance of @chriskkenny’s yarn today.”

    ROFLMAO

    Never believe anything until it is officially denied…………………..methinks she doth protest too much.

    She’s nothing but a lying grub

  220. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:06 pm

    The usual Fairfax climate change bullshit story.

    Scary story for this week…………………….Boooooooooooooo !

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-know-there-are-more-giant-craters-in-siberia-but-are-nervous-to-even-study-them-20150226-13q7b5.html

  221. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:06 pm

    Never believe anything until it is officially denied

    Wow, nice play. So, just keep making accusations, and, once denied, that proves it.

  222. February 27, 2015 1:08 pm

    How long do i have to post before I am stopped being called a troll?

    Mate Australia is in big trouble.

    So wanting a balanced budget is right wing?.

  223. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:13 pm

    She’s nothing but a lying grub

    Still looking for evidence of lies, rather than allegations

  224. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:24 pm

    “I might also remind you that ADF members are on call 24/7 365 days a year”

    So are Federal Police as are a lot of doctors, nurses, SES workers, Firemen.

    So you really have no strong argument about pay rises whist on domestic soil. You completely wandered off track talking about overseas deployment.

    So again. Why should a domestic soil ADF person be granted more of a pay rise than an ordinary public servant ?

    And dont wander off the plantation with your Leftist envy of Pollies pay. That’s a separate issue. I’m talking about ordinary PS.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:26 pm

    And the responses by the usual is so telling.

    What can’t you get through your thick heads?

    People don’t want to live in the place that right wing politics has gone, they are better than that. Most people I meet strive for goodwill and friendly relationships, helping each other out. They reject the hatred, misery and fear world that the conservatives are trying to force on us.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:38 pm

    But ALP/Greens locked up more men women and children than any govt in Australian history. That is what Totalitarians do.

    The ALP destroyed our relationship with Indonesia. Abbott is repairing this.

    We had untold riots deaths and suicides in ALP detention centers

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:51 pm

    I’ve not watched The Drum at all What was that chairman’s name again?

    ===============================

    just ignore TB, resist, no point at all in taking the bait and letting him jerk-off in public!

    No sweat, KL, when they start trying to piddle around … I know they’re not happy with what I write … and that’s a good thing …

    So you really have no strong argument about pay rises whist on domestic soil. You completely wandered off track talking about overseas deployment.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So again. Why should a domestic soil ADF person be granted more of a pay rise than an ordinary public servant ?

    1. You brought up allowances I just told you why … don’t even know what you wrote yourself – explains why you don’t comprehend much …

    2. Because ADF personnel are not “ordinary” PS and even you should know that (Maybe not)

    3. ADF personnel can be deployed to anywhere in the world at any time … usually crisis points … for which they train every day … that’s why they are rated by medboards 1/2/3 (and paid BTW) …

    You also show your ignorance if you think AFP personnel are only “employed” in Oz …

    And if you are what you claim to be I bet your shiny arse perks are far more user friendly than any Diggers … anyone can shove money around a screen all day …

    Probably why you rate our defenders with such contempt …

  228. Call Me A Thickhead permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:52 pm

    “What can’t you get through your thick heads?”

    After witnessing the wholesale near complete destruction of the economies of NSW, Queensland, Australia, Tasmania, and currently South Australia (a work in progress) under ALP/Green governments who the f**k do you think your kidding with your utter bullshit.

    The Labor/Green legacy is insurmountable debt everywhere it venture then it blocks all attempt to wind back that debt. Even when previous spending cuts were part of its own election pledges

  229. February 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    AO Nils and Walrus illustrate you point with precision… Normal people just don’t think like them. I’m filming a community CSG rally in a country town tomorrow and there is a united groundswell of people across the divide to this faux economic rationalism…

    Stuff like this is fucking insane… wrap this up in the election campain and then clain a mandate… its the Fiberal way…

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/powerhouse-museum-site-in-ultimo-to-be-sold-to-developers-20150226-13pn5o.html

  230. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 1:57 pm

    “Probably why you rate our defenders with such contempt …”

    Fuck off with the projections you idiot.

    “ADF personnel can be deployed to anywhere in the world at any time … usually crisis points … for which they train every day …”

    And for which they are compensated with allowances.

    So in the end you really have nothing to offer as an argument other than constantly referring to overseas deployments

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 2:18 pm

    CMAT

    Is that you in one of your disguises neil? 🙂

    Yep, still a thick head!

    After witnessing the wholesale near complete destruction of the economies of NSW, Queensland, Australia, Tasmania, and currently South Australia (a work in progress) under ALP/Green governments who the f**k do you think your kidding with your utter bullshit.

    Tel me how austerity programs make things better for ordinary workers?

    The economies were trounced by a GFC, something the thick heads refuse to acknowledge, wonder why? Tell me how abbott/hockey have improved things? 😆

    Now the australian economy is down because no-one had a plan for when the mining demand fell.

    Seen the recent capital expenditures?

    [crikey paywall]

    …Business investment continues to collapse, yesterday’s capital expenditure figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show.

    As forecast by the Reserve Bank, successive governments and every economist, the end of the mining investment boom has hammered private investment — and so far nothing from the non-mining sector is emerging to offset it. …

    …Despite being forecast, the size of the drop from the current actual estimate is stunning and suggests why the Reserve Bank moved to cut rates earlier this month — and why there may be at least one more cut ahead in the next few months, or even next week…

    …But while the mining sector is behind the collapse, the ABS also said spending by manufacturing companies will also be sharply lower in 2015-16 than 2014-15:..

    …Definitely a great time for the federal government to be trying to scare off foreign investors…

    …The ABS also revealed in its biannual average weekly earnings data that full-time adult average weekly total earnings had grown just 2.7% in the year to November 2014. But part-timers’ earnings were flat or even negative, as the average weekly total earnings for employers grew just 1.3% (both figures in trend terms). Yesterday’s Wage Price Index data showed how stagnant earnings currently are, with growth in the December quarter of 0.6% and annual growth in 2014 of 2.5%.

    The only thing keeping Australians’ wages growth in the black is the unusually low inflation rate driven by a flat economy and the oil price collapse. Not exactly a propitious time for that long-awaited “transition” from the mining investment boom to non-mining investment growth. Or to be framing a federal budget…

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 2:24 pm

    I’m filming a community CSG rally in a country town tomorrow and there is a united groundswell of people across the divide to this faux economic rationalism…

    Good for you ricky.

    The politicians are starting to meet the resistance of people fed up with being ignored and sidelined for the profits of corporate interests/political donors and politician insider trading.

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 2:36 pm

    “Is that you in one of your disguises neil? “

    That was not me but i agree with what was said

    “I know they’re not happy with what I write”

    Why should i when most of what you post is false TB.

    It was not illegal for AWB to sell wheat to Iraq as you stated. You know “trading with the enemy”. Hundreds of companies were selling food and medicine to Iraq. It was a legal program run by the UN. What was illegal was for bribes to be paid to win the wheat contract rather than the Americans or Canadians.

  234. February 27, 2015 2:44 pm

    “”Is that you in one of your disguises neil?””

    Close. You almost “sealed” it.

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 2:48 pm

    “Close. You almost “sealed” it.

    What is that supposed to mean? CMAT is not me. But i agree with the comment.

    And by the way TB is a teller of falsehoods. That is why we do not get on.

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:01 pm

    Close. You almost “sealed” it.

    Hah! I was going to say walrus first and then thought that neil might be getting fustrated 🙂

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:11 pm

    I notice the right whingers always get shrill when there is a crisis in their party … and waffle about anything other than The Mad Abbott’s pending demise … and as usual try and ply the man (or woman KL 🙂 ) …

    Par for the course … I wouldn’t mind so much but they play silly buggers when you present a logical argument …

    Typical catlik, Liberal, monarchists I suppose …

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:14 pm

    Your a Thickhead … there … happy … 🙂

    Its become very partisan again … government on the skidsnose, or just the return of Sir Willie Wanker?

  239. February 27, 2015 3:19 pm

    “But it is accurate observations like this that really upset his critics”

    No, I disagree.

    I’m more than happy to sift through the ‘facts’ Bolt puts up; usually just one sided interpretation of polemic arguments, but he does illuminate truths from time to time.

    What makes me read most of his output with contempt (not upset, that’s very different) is the way he contorts most facts (and absolutely excludes others) to cobble them into his long running narratives.
    Most of his posts are just throwing bones to his less discerning readers. There is great mirth to be had in the comments section of BoltBlog.

    If it wasn’t for Herr Bolt, arsehats like Neil wouldn’t be able to appropriate ridiculous terms like ‘Natural Totalitarian’ & misapply them.

    If there’s one thing Bolt does well, it’s to energise his (frequently) loony base…except when he misreads their bigotry & goes off message, confusing them, by not being a homophobe or calling out Abbott on some of his more gigantic idiocies etc. Then they attack him like he’s betrayed them.

    Bolt is the Bill O’reilly of the Australian blogosphere.

    I do agree that he makes a sensible point now & again though.

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:22 pm

    Yeah TB, those catholics are so anti Labor!

    Catholic schools have a special funding deal with the Federal Government which is separate to the funding arrangement with other non-Government schools. That special arrangement started with the Whitlam Government. Before 1974 there was no Federal Government funding of non-Government schools. Gough Whitlam introduced Government funding of private education, and in particular, he did that to support Catholic education. I think that makes the point about how close knit the Catholic Church and the Labor Party are.
    And why not? I have always found it curious that there is not a closer alliance between the left of centre political parties and Christian groups. Christians and social democrats are collectivists. Both groups put community above individuality in their doctrine.

    http://economics.com.au/?p=6402

  241. February 27, 2015 3:24 pm

    “Hah! I was going to say walrus first and then thought that neil might be getting fustrated ”

    Not Neil’s ‘style’. Definitely IATW’s ‘style’. 😉

  242. February 27, 2015 3:31 pm

    Currently, I think Bolt feels guilty for helping to start the last leadership spill pebble rolling down the hill with his (sensible) disendorsement of Abbott Knighting SirDuke on Ockertard Day.
    He’s spent a lot of time since in rearguard defence, obfuscating, apologia & sustained distractionary squealing of LaborLaborLabor, TurnbullTurnbullTurnbull & TriggsTriggsTriggs.
    It goes without saying that his daily vomit of IslamIslamIslam has continued unabated, doing the groundwork for Abbott’s fearsquirting campaign.

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:33 pm

    “Why do you think the population is rejecting right wing politics?

    First victoria then qld, wonder how it’ll go in NSW? “

    This is an interesting question. In Queensland you had a bad government of broken promises and unseemly behaviour. Victoria had an unstable government who broke promises and the Vics seem to like lefties so I hope they enjoy life now Andrews is taking the leash off the Union/bikie gang cartel.

    NSW is a good test. Despite the corruption of the Libs and the fact that about 10 of them have been booted to the cross benches, Baird has displayed some competence. If Baird is replaced by serial drunk driver Luke Foley then I will have some serious re-thinking to do.

  244. February 27, 2015 3:34 pm

    I forgot to mention.

    I think he genuinely believes that the world would be a far better place (read, conservatism would flourish …snigger, it’s actually withering on the vine for demographic reasons) if the ABC would just grant his wet dreams and become extinct.

    Ain’t gonna happen, Even Abbott isn’t bold or stupid enough to try that on in any substantial fashion.

  245. February 27, 2015 3:37 pm

    I think the Libs are ‘safe’ in NSW. The memory of ALP reign is still raw there.

    I think they deserve a spanking on ICAC alone though.

    We need Federal ICAC to put the fear in them all.

  246. February 27, 2015 3:46 pm

    *Cough cough ahem*

    Just as an aside, has anyone else noticed (clearly not), that my “”open letter to the rest of the world” has been shared on Facebook over 1,000 times…

    #justsayin’

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:49 pm

    Abbott or Turnbull who cares? The result will be the same next election. This government does not deserve to survive. For so long as political parties behave like a bunch of lying, power-hungry self-interested rabble all we as voters can do is turf them from office. Even if we think the opposition won’t be much better at least we will have had the satisfaction of booting these venal bastards out.

    If Abbott stays then we will get the pleasure of ejecting him personally. If he goes they might lose a few less seats. Either way the chaos and antagonism within the party will be such that they won’t be able to compete at an election.

    I would prefer Bishop to Turnbull. She is less smarmy and arrogant. Malcolm still seems like the stuck-up cat-strangling plutocrat he always was.

  248. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:50 pm

    ‘Ludicrous’: Gillian Triggs hits back at claims she canvassed possible resignation

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ludicrous-gillian-triggs-hits-back-at-claims-she-canvassed-possible-resignation-20150227-13qsph.html

  249. public toilet permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:50 pm

    I hadn’t noticed reb.

    I am kinda facebook illiterate though.

    You’d think that would send some unsuspecting victims traffic this way.

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:51 pm

    Does that mean other people read this blog?

  251. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:51 pm

    “We need Federal ICAC to put the fear in them all.”

    Tick.

  252. public toilet permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:51 pm

    Good to see your word being promulgated, BTW.

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2015 3:57 pm

    “shared on Facebook over 1,000 times”

    Well done reb! It is about time you got some recognition for the hard work and frustration involved in keeping this show on the road!

  254. February 27, 2015 4:05 pm

    “”Does that mean other people read this blog?””

    No, just us.

  255. February 27, 2015 4:06 pm

    Thank you bottom and toilet.

  256. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 4:51 pm

    “I deny any suggestion that I canvassed my future with other members of the commission at any time.”

    “No commissioner or staff member has ever urged me to resign”

    ROFLMAO !

    Carefully chosen words yet again.

    We’ll probably have to wait a few minutes before it becomes

    “Well I might have with one person”

    and another few minutes to become

    “Actually I do seem to recall having possibly spoken to two people”

    then a little bit longer until

    “Actually come to think of it I do now recall in detail”

  257. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 4:52 pm

    “Thank you bottom and toilet.”

    Amazing how bottoms and toilets are found together

  258. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2015 4:54 pm

    “Does that mean other people read this blog?”

    If you look at the Clustrmap someone reads it from North Korea.

    Thought that might just be KL on holidays

  259. February 27, 2015 5:37 pm

  260. February 27, 2015 5:45 pm

    Let’s see how much Abbott sticks his head up over the parapets in NSW (if indeed he’s still in the Big Chair!).

    If/when he stays away, it shows the degree to which his pungence is registered internally (again).

  261. armchair opionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 5:56 pm

    “…Thought that might just be KL on holidays…”

    Hey!
    Just because I’m at work now and can’t defend myself! 🙂

    Congrats reb, I must admit, I don’t ‘do’ Facebook, but good for you!
    Loved the rostrum post today too (don’t know if I’m on that thread already as too long to scroll thru on mobile while on my short break)

  262. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 6:03 pm

    No, just us.

    I don’t even think it’s that many going on some posts 😉

    Carefully chosen words yet again.

    Considering the way people like kenny and yaself mistreat them, one can hardly blame her.

  263. armchair opionator permalink
    February 27, 2015 6:20 pm

    “…Carefully chosen words yet again…”

    As opposed to ‘anonymous sources’ lies leaked to a murdoch hack to deliberately cause damage to a person who is standing her ground and refusing to be hounded out of office by a bunch of lib bully boys.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2015 6:35 pm

    You’d think that would send some unsuspecting victims traffic this way.

    Oh, it has … one of them calls itself Walrus … 🙂

    If/when he stays away, it shows the degree to which his pungence is registered internally (again).

    And obviously externally, Toiletwet!

    has been shared on Facebook over 1,000 times…

    Is that a lot?

    Maybe weyou could crowd fund Rebittology?!!!!

    …Carefully chosen words yet again…

    Well you’d be the expert Wally! 😉

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 27, 2015 6:40 pm

    “Carefully chosen words yet again.”

    If you are right Triggs has to resign.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2015 6:42 pm

    I’d imagine having this shared 1000 times is quite good!

  267. February 27, 2015 6:49 pm

    “I’d imagine having this shared 1000 times is quite good!”

    vomitbook, indeed social media in general, works exponentially…especially with topics de jour.

    You’ll reap those whom agree, and ‘share’, and those whom are affronted and ‘share’.

    So it will probably penetrate far beyond 1000 readers. A ‘share’ doesn’t encompass those who view without ‘sharing’.

  268. February 27, 2015 8:08 pm

    elder””””””””””Economists can make gullible journos feel smart; pollsters make them feel all savvy and insider-y. Next time you read a press gallery piece on the latest findings from HawkerTextor, remember:

    just because the journalist wants to believe, it doesn’t mean you have to get sucked in too.””””’#GUFFAW-and-TRUE

  269. February 27, 2015 8:15 pm

    andy elder””””””””’Australians are better educated than ever, and just when Murdoch homogenised the press as far as anyone could,

    social media came along and devalued the whole media-mogul thing.”””””’#haha

  270. February 27, 2015 10:06 pm

    Wow! Quite a bit of splattering, blot-fed, no doubt.

    ”””””Just for my edification, is there a regular segment on the Drum where a conservative presenter has an entirely conservative panel?””””””’

    #You`re on the wrong network splatters, try network-10 for all your nut-job desires, blotreportland. While l don`t blame`ya for not watching teh-dum, the charter my abc operates under (unlike-blots-shit) gives plenty, (if not too much) of voice/time/access to my abc`s platforms, to the cranks. Ya`really need to stop mindlessly chanting the pure shit ya`read at murdochs limited-news. You`ll end-up like devine.

  271. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2015 10:40 pm

    If you are right Triggs has to resign.

    And if the evidence given by everyone from both sides in estimates is correct, some libs should resign.

    Maybe they should have thought of that when opening their traps trying to trap someone else.

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