An Open Letter to the Rest of The World

This attack clearly displays the state of array that this government finds itself in. I have watched large sections of this senate hearing and I can say that the obvious hostility of the LNP Senators O’Sullivan and McDonald was deplorable and I commend Gillian Triggs for her calm demeanor during the her ordeal. I have watched these two LNP bully boys on quite a few occasions over the last few months – they are both well past their use by date. Their views are archaic while their approach to rational conversation hinges on ‘ who shouts and disrupts the loudest, wins’.

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February 26, 2015 3:31 am

That is our prime-miniature, a bullyboy to the core.. It harkens back when he lunged at a guy in a wheelchair, threatening him. What a grub.

I read a snippet from an un-sourced news (I assume) item on the other thread yesterday, and, being out last night waiting on my kids, had time to peruse the Hansard. This was the comment, which relates to numerous nutjob (chris kenny mainly) bragging about Triggs lying in Senate Estimates.

had spoken during the caretaker period, quite inappropriately, to two Labor Ministers, a fact concealed from the then Opposition

concealed? inappropriate? Are they able to elaborate? Of course not, because elaboration shows a different story

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/labor-wants-afp-to-investigate-ag-department-over-triggs-offer/6257940

This is from the Hansard
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;db=COMMITTEES;id=committees%2Festimate%2F77cf2410-e68a-4aa3-bf67-1539b655e07e%2F0005;orderBy=priority,doc_date-rev;page=5;query=Dataset%3Aestimate;rec=2;resCount=Default

Prof. Triggs : I think Minister Burke was the minister for a matter of weeks, just leading up to and through the caretaker period. I had at least one meeting with him, but very informally because I did not know where this was going to go.

Prof. Triggs : I think I will have to take this on notice because the precise dates are not clear in my mind. All I know is that I had fairly regular meetings with each of the ministers over the period from about—

So, even as she says it, she doesn’t say it was specifically the caretaker period, but the Chair makes it appear that way. She even clarifies the statement there and then, remembering that these interruptions are coming thick and fast at her. The reason the caretaker period is even mentioned is because when she mentions the “election”, in her context, it is a period of months (due to Gillard making a date very early). She even clarifies it again later

Prof. Triggs : Chair, if I can add one point, I could not have met with Mr Burke during the caretaker period. That was my mistake and I would like to correct the record in relation to that. I could not have met him then—it must have been within a couple of weeks of that. I will check the records and produce all of that evidence when I have had a chance to back to my office and look at the material.

Something ignored, again. Yet re-printed without any thought to actually check the veracity of the statement. Well done churnos

The last post was from hte most recent Hansard, the previous was from back in November

I watched the following youtube which relates to the estimatesback in November, and it appears that they are doing their best to trap Triggs, and, after going back into Hansard, that is precicely what they were doing. Trapping her, and then lying about it. and then the rwnj’s are running with it.

I’m going to keep repeating the question until you give me the answer I want you to give

That seems to be about it. I’m not sure how other estimates go, I haven’t seen too many, but both the chair and the other guy were basically rephrasing Triggs answers to suit their accusations (questions?). And then referring back to their statemenst as if it was her words.

And then get a run.

I’ve just logged back into my twit account, and have been buggin kenny to perhaps explain the specifics of this. I said, if it’s censored, perhaps he could enlighten. Instead, he just keeps rabbitting on about Triggs without ever being specific. I had read this from one of his old articles

And after denying she raised the matter with Labor before the election, she later admitted discussing it with two former immigration ministers, Chris Bowen and Tony Burke. It is understood the Abbott government and the minister who oversees the ­commission, Attorney-General George Brandis, have lost faith in Professor Triggs.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/human-rights-commission-chief-gillian-triggs-drowning-in-evidence/story-fn59niix-1227131308575

Which led me to look into what was actually said, which doesn’t match his claim at all

To date, he prefers to protect the “censorship” he rails against apparently lol

When thousands of children were in detention, there was no national inquiry by the commission

Sheehans a blinkered idiot. Again, from the Hansard in November

CHAIR: I am going to stop Senator O’Sullivan there. He can come back to this later. But I must say, Professor Triggs, that you would accept yourself that some people would say that the fact that the commission effectively did nothing during the term of a previous government and then when the government changed it had this major inquiry raises questions about the independence of what has to be a very independent commission.

Prof. Triggs : She reported in the middle of 2012, which is exactly when I came into the office. Cathy Branson had conducted an inquiry into the mechanism for determining the age of children in detention, which was a wrist X-ray. It was a very successful process. The government had, in fact, agreed to change their policy about the same time she reported. So it was a very successful exercise. I very much wanted to take some guidance from how she had managed it so well, in the sense that she had maintained good relationships with the department and achieved an outcome that was consistent with human rights.

Precious petal

Are we OK not to read it. That seems to be the current method of evaluating it?

” only one consideration”

Fine – she only accommodated the politics

…meanwhile a couple of thousand children were in detention, but never mind, the politics take priority!

“Prof. Triggs : There are a number of reasons why I did not call an inquiry exactly at that moment, as I would very much have liked to have done, and that was that it was very well known and understood that we would have an election within weeks

She was elected in July 2012. The election was not until Sept 2013.

“”…………..as I would very much have liked to have done, and that was that it was very well known and understood that we would have an election within weeks”” ………..and that would have meant it would have been a report upon the ALPs time in office. So the kids had to be a bit patient.

Was what she meant to say !

Her track record on “inconvenient”” children is not too good at all when ya think back.

she put some partisan/political issues in front of doing her job

Sorry, you worded it wrong, she put political considerations, in the hope it wouldn’t be seen as partisan.

Was what she meant to say !

But what she DID say was

There are a number of reasons why

But her own judgement was to delay even commencing to accommodate the politics.

Amongst several other considerations, including resources, the fact that another report had just been completed and the anniversary of the other similar report.

The reasoning adds up, unless of course you just cherry pick one reason and then pretend it is partisan in nature.

Prof. Triggs : I really must challenge the premise of your question, because throughout the period of the former government the commission conducted an inquiry. My predecessor conducted an inquiry.

Yes, Graham Innes [Australia’s Human Rights Commissioner for three and a half years] was on The Drum yesterday and said that there were inquiries held into children in detention during Labor’s time in office, he had conducted three of them himself.

That’s interesting. Ms Triggs predecessor said he could do one inquiry a year, but Ms Triggs couldn’t even start one in a year.

said he could do one inquiry a year

Please Explain?

Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong

It’s quite bizarre. After reading the report, it actually has Labor looking, if anything, worst than the Libs.

So why this asinine attack?

Is there a bigger game? Or are they just so paranoid?

And where’s timmy wilson?

Her conduct has compromised the independence of her office.

Can you perhaps highlight the conduct that has compromised the independence of her office?

Perhaps you could point to one single thing that Triggs has done wrong to warrant her being stood down from her job.

I’m not even saying that she should be dismissed, or offered another job, or that Brandis & Abbott are right, it’s simply that Ms Triggs showed an element of partisan or political behaviour. Her own judgement and actions have caused the distraction.
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Please Explain?

I’m only relying on AO’s comment – that her predecessor had conducted 3 inquiries in 3½ years.

As a matter of interest, what did those reports say about a couple of thousand children in detention?

“The shame belongs to the abbott government, who have once again shown themselves to be unfit for high office.”

The shame belongs to the ALP/Greens and the people who voted for them. It was the ALP who locked all these people up.

And if the ALP wins the next election they will do the same. Natural totalitarians cannot help locking people up.

“That’s PM Material,”

Says the person who would never vote for him.

Reading the comments of the ALP/Greens supporters i can say that you people do not care about people.

You only care about the ALP/Greens no matter what damage they do to Australia.

Did anybody read this article?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

“The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands.

That article was dated March 2013. But Triggs said one of the reasons she delayed her report was that she was getting adequate information from the ALP govt.

Forget coal seem gas, KL. We have a cheap energy source – THE SUN

Triggs said she was getting adequate information under Labor.

“was” is probably the word you need to examine closely there nIl

Remember, people were saying why there wasn’t one earlier. And, to be correct, it was Triggs predecessor who said their access to the sites was good enough.

Just trying to get the record straight before you go off down another rabbit hole

Hey AO

Why don’t you read this article again

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

Triggs was banned from going to Manus Island in March 2013 under ALP/Greens

Yet you said how evil the Coaliton were for doing this.

In March 2013 the ALP was in power.

My point is this. Here is what AO said about that article dated March 2013

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/abbott-govt-attack-on-gillian-triggs-backfires/#comment-96827

“Thanks NA

Haven’t they recently been saying to people re privacy and metadata “those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear’”

AO is just a partisian deadbeat. Triggs was banned from going to Manus under Labor in March 2013 but AO blames the Coalition who were not even in govt.

We both should stop feeding that troll!

Or the Troll will just keep reminding you who the trolls are 😉

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/12/02/3081889.htm

(Although I’m sure you are both aware of that article, or at least its arguments)

AO you should read this. You are so wrong.

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96924

While I’m ROFL’ing

Yes and you never apologised for your incorrect comments.

ROFL

You first perhaps nIl 😉

“Is there an emoji for sprung?”

lol

“Imagine the rage if he’d drowned 1,200 refugees!”

I am anti-Labor more than pro- coalition.

Not only did Labor voters drown all these people, they stopped thousands of people from UNHCR camps from entering Australia.

“”But they did and for that Morrison will never be forgiven…………for denying them a few hundred drownings as their political trophies””

Fixed that for Ya Splatter as you missed a bit

“”Multiple sources say Triggs canvassed quitting in discussion w Moraitis & made it clear she would only do so if “looked after”……….””

Ha…………….why am I not surprised given her conflicting and misleading bullshit evidence before the original Senate hearings when she initially could’n’t recall meeting Labor ministers then claims Moriatis contacted her first when it was her contacting him.

She’s a lying sack of shit !

why am I not surprised given her conflicting and misleading bullshit evidence before the original Senate hearings when she initially could’n’t recall meeting Labor minister

REALLY

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96843

Fucken educate yourself

If it is in the Hansard then the Hansard must be corrected

Except, the Hansard didn’t need to be corrected, did it. The inquisitor was lying. She had never denied meeting the labor ministers, she had denied meeting them at a specific time.

You too could do with edimication wally 😉

And you never did answer my question from last week

That’s unlike me. Perhaps you can link to the question? Although, I think I recall something like it, and I do recall saying something along the lines of, I’m not Wayne Swan (I can tell, I don’t have a Worlds Greatest Treasurer Statue 😉 )

She said she held off her enquiry because she was getting adequate access to detention centers.

link?

Yes and Amen. I support Gillian Triggs.

GUFFAW!

😆

The challenge is on:
http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-challenge-is-on.html

…They’ve chosen to spy on us rather than engage with us, unable even to trust us with a definition of the information they would use against us. They can’t accept that the information we share with them must be used for our benefit, and the information they must share with us must also be used for our benefit, too. The government are public servants or they are nothing – and that idea looms as a bigger shirtfront to this Prime Minister than even the President of Russia could muster. It’s on, all right. You bet you are. You bet I am…

canons to the left of them canons to the right as they rode…….

Ah wally, you know I can’t resist

why am I not surprised

Is it too “circular” 🙂

Interesting theory

I followed the link, I shouldn’t have. But, here is an indication of the level of blind obtuseness some are lost in.

Tony Abbott has performed well these past couple of weeks.

Mind you, always good for a laff (riff raff)

Fran Kelly might be a fruitloop, that doesn’t make her left or right, just fruit.

So what examples do you have of her fruitiness looping in a leftward direction?

While at university Kelly became involved in the women’s movement and feminist theatre, and sang with bands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Kelly

Anyone who sings with bands would be a left wing activist.

“”………..and won’t pay the ADF but treats ‘em like toy soldiers on a War Gaming table … “”

So enlighten me then.

Why should a uniformed member of the ADF sitting in an army, airforce barracks on home soil or on a ship in the middle of Sydney Harbour on a sunny day like today be paid/or cop a percentage rise more than a public servant running the gauntlet of Canberra roundabouts and parking cops.

Lets not talk about those combat zones or on UN missions or humanitarium missions who get paid various allowances.

Why should a home soil ADF member get paid more or receive a larger payrise than a member of the Customs Department or perhaps a Federal Police Officer ?

kenny’s pushing the ‘Triggs asked for it’ (yes, I kept that ambiguous) line, with a thought free rant without any evidence but much (wilson?) sauce

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/triggs-was-prepared-to-shift-jobs/story-e6frg6nf-1227240725442

However, multiple highly placed sources close to the government and the commission, together with the evidence at this week’s Senate estimates hearings, support the version of events that has Professor Triggs kicking off considerations about her future.

“mulitple” sauces = Moraitis and ..?? wilson perhaps? lol
https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/23/is-australia-now-being-ruled-under-a-fascist-regime/#comment-96633

As for “evidence” from the commission, this appears to be mainly a phone call Triggs made

“Professor Triggs asked me to expressly seek from the attorney his views about her role and her status as chairman, which I undertook to do on my return to the office,” Mr Moraitis said.

Sorry chris, this doesn’t equate to looking for another job (or ‘position’). It indicates somebody asking for clarification on someone elses view. To call it evidence is laughable.

He also dips back into his slander of points so far unproven or proven to be wrong. Since he won’t get specific, it is difficult to tell.

Professor Triggs ended last year deeply mired in controversy after a disastrous Senate estim­ates performance when she contradicted herself and failed to explain why she did not hold an inquiry into children in detention under Labor

Well, Kenny is unable to highlight just where Triggs contradicted herself, and appears to have missed the details I listed where she explained just why she did not hold an inquiry into children in detention under Labor.

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96840

The fact that he doesn’t like the explanation does not mean the explanation is not there. All in all, an article about nothing, that provides more questions of the authors state of mind than anything.

AAAUUUUGGGGHHH

FUCKERS!

The Federal Government’s controversial $400 million plan to force telecommunications providers to store the metadata of all phone and internet users for two years will go ahead after the Labor party agreed to support the move.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/web/metadata-retention-laws-will-pass-as-labor-folds-20150226-13qd4m.html

On ABC Radio National Breakfast, three women of the Left – Fran Kelly, Laura Tingle and Michelle Grattan – all agree with each other that the media has not pushed along the campaign against Abbott, and agree Abbott is hopeless etc etc etc.

Three women of the left? hahaha, this is where the right look completely unhinged, picking targets to hate just for the sake of selling papers and working their always outraged bible thumping, conservative and very dumb audiences into a frenzy [sadly, I’ve read the comments there too]. So completely immersed in their culture wars, constantly looking for enemies, even if they have to make them up themselves. Just because those three journalists don’t carry on like the demented extreme right – miranda devine, sharri markson etc doesn’t make them left wing. It just makes them balanced and objective like most people who don’t live in the world of bolt who basically creates enemies just to sell papers and make himself as much money as possible.

Bolt’s interpretations are nothing like journalism, it is an artful manufacturing and manipulation of half truths, outright lies and distortions deliberately designed to feed the hate and prejudice of his dumbed down audience. Most comments that I read in his blog really make you wonder about the sanity of the person, they seem to live in a land that bears no resemblance to the real world. It’s a place for the looney tunes to congregate and he panders to them, you couldn’t find a more miserable mob of angry, deluded and ignorant people if you tried.

I’ve been reading Bolt a bit more lately.

I can tell 😉

HERE IS ANOTHER REASON I DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING AN ALP SUPPORTER SAYS

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/17/rostrum-19/#comment-96054

“The simpleton of simpletons … you don’t “deal” with the enemy … and feed soldiers who will try to kill Australian citizens … you don’t break UN sanctions against a dictator … and you don’t break international laws (of which Australia is a signatory) against bribery and corruption in any business … FFS go back to school!”

NO TB of Queensland. It was legal to sell food and medicine to Iraq. The Americans and Canadians were annoyed because AWB got the deal to sell wheat to Iraq rather than them.

Just look up UN Oil For Food Program

Like all ALP supporters you are deceitful.

“copyright predators”

Ahemmmmmmmmmmmm !

I think you mean the owners of the copyright.

Rather than demonise the creative talents and those that pay them why dont you call them by their proper name rather than by your Leftist/Communist “everything you own I do too mentality”

“You haven’t watched the Dum”

I’m sure you do

” someone really should lock the gates …”

So says the Natural Totalitarian.

A leopard never changes its spots.

kenny gets called on his bullshit

The usual Fairfax climate change bullshit story.

Scary story for this week…………………….Boooooooooooooo !

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-know-there-are-more-giant-craters-in-siberia-but-are-nervous-to-even-study-them-20150226-13q7b5.html

How long do i have to post before I am stopped being called a troll?

Mate Australia is in big trouble.

So wanting a balanced budget is right wing?.

“I might also remind you that ADF members are on call 24/7 365 days a year”

So are Federal Police as are a lot of doctors, nurses, SES workers, Firemen.

So you really have no strong argument about pay rises whist on domestic soil. You completely wandered off track talking about overseas deployment.

So again. Why should a domestic soil ADF person be granted more of a pay rise than an ordinary public servant ?

And dont wander off the plantation with your Leftist envy of Pollies pay. That’s a separate issue. I’m talking about ordinary PS.

But ALP/Greens locked up more men women and children than any govt in Australian history. That is what Totalitarians do.

The ALP destroyed our relationship with Indonesia. Abbott is repairing this.

We had untold riots deaths and suicides in ALP detention centers

“What can’t you get through your thick heads?”

After witnessing the wholesale near complete destruction of the economies of NSW, Queensland, Australia, Tasmania, and currently South Australia (a work in progress) under ALP/Green governments who the f**k do you think your kidding with your utter bullshit.

The Labor/Green legacy is insurmountable debt everywhere it venture then it blocks all attempt to wind back that debt. Even when previous spending cuts were part of its own election pledges

“Probably why you rate our defenders with such contempt …”

Fuck off with the projections you idiot.

“ADF personnel can be deployed to anywhere in the world at any time … usually crisis points … for which they train every day …”

And for which they are compensated with allowances.

So in the end you really have nothing to offer as an argument other than constantly referring to overseas deployments

Yeah TB, those catholics are so anti Labor!

Catholic schools have a special funding deal with the Federal Government which is separate to the funding arrangement with other non-Government schools. That special arrangement started with the Whitlam Government. Before 1974 there was no Federal Government funding of non-Government schools. Gough Whitlam introduced Government funding of private education, and in particular, he did that to support Catholic education. I think that makes the point about how close knit the Catholic Church and the Labor Party are.
And why not? I have always found it curious that there is not a closer alliance between the left of centre political parties and Christian groups. Christians and social democrats are collectivists. Both groups put community above individuality in their doctrine.

http://economics.com.au/?p=6402

‘Ludicrous’: Gillian Triggs hits back at claims she canvassed possible resignation

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ludicrous-gillian-triggs-hits-back-at-claims-she-canvassed-possible-resignation-20150227-13qsph.html

Does that mean other people read this blog?

Good to see your word being promulgated, BTW.

“I deny any suggestion that I canvassed my future with other members of the commission at any time.”

“No commissioner or staff member has ever urged me to resign”

ROFLMAO !

Carefully chosen words yet again.

We’ll probably have to wait a few minutes before it becomes

“Well I might have with one person”

and another few minutes to become

“Actually I do seem to recall having possibly spoken to two people”

then a little bit longer until

“Actually come to think of it I do now recall in detail”

“Does that mean other people read this blog?”

If you look at the Clustrmap someone reads it from North Korea.

Thought that might just be KL on holidays

No, just us.

I don’t even think it’s that many going on some posts 😉

Carefully chosen words yet again.

Considering the way people like kenny and yaself mistreat them, one can hardly blame her.

I’d imagine having this shared 1000 times is quite good!