Tony Abbott says Taxpayers can’t fund Aboriginals’ “Lifestyle Choice”

“Similarly, it’s very difficult for the adults to get a proper job if there’s no employment within hundreds of miles and this is where we have to be a little bit realistic,” he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/lifestyle-choice-tony-abbott-stands-by-controversial-comments-despite-indigenous-leader-backlash-20150310-140mn5.html

well yabot, your grubmint has extended that perimeter quite considerably.

Also good to see mundine finally making a stand, in a very wet lettuce manner.

But Mr Abbott’s own chief advisor on indigenous affairs, Warren Mundine, told Fairfax Media the Prime Minister’s comments were wrong.

“That is a complete misconception of what it is and he’s wrong in that regard,” Mr Mundine said. “It is not about a lifestyle, it is not like retiring and moving for a sea change, it is about thousands of years connection, their religious beliefs and the essence of who they are.”

lol @ reb 🙂

cry @ reb 😦

“”If only there was some sort of solution to that?””

Yes but are they choosing to tune in ?

And I suppose you would also like a hospital and an airport purposely built as well ?

IT’S A DISGRACE!

I AGREE!

I don’t care if a whole bunch of Indians or Greeks or Italians went bush.

Miners are different then I guess, and so should be subsidised by the taxpayer?

Cecil Rhodes would be proud Tones.. he’s the living embodiment of the original intent of the Rhodes scholarship to proliferate the British Empire’s monarchy.

Close your eyes for a minute and you would swear we are in Rhodesia …

oh wait.. hang on …I think Tones is a bit confused between Rhodes Rhodesia and Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

I guess its easy to confuse the despots, when your all bunged up with ideas awaiting another suppository of wisdom 🙄

When did good government start again? Can you tell Tony we are listening too Reb.

The problem with politicians getting to know the issues in indigenous townships is that we tend to suffer from what Aboriginal people call the ‘seagull syndrome’ – we fly in, scratch around and fly out.
Tony Abbott

“”Living in an indigenous community isn’t a “lifestyle” choice””

We can argue all day about whether it is or not.

The point is the Taxpayer cannot follow everyone around this joint handing out dollops of cash due to its sheer size.

That’s the Reality of a continent this large with a population of just 24M est.

“”This is what the PM’s chief advisor on indigenous affairs had to say about ….”

That’s fine……………………considering his parents moved from Northern NSW to Sydney when he was a child to obtain (I assume) better opportunities for them and their kids.

I’d say that was their Lifestyle Choice.

The Taxpayer also has a choice

If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.

Ouch!

Double Ouch !

http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-bhp-leads-asx-plunge-20150311-3rux5.html

Glad I sold my Banks and Telstra last week

I was feeling a bad “vibe””

But I kept my miners……………..Ouch

Does the taxpayer have the choice to get paid to take hockey to court for defaming us and calling us leaners?

Abbott did not destroy the budget

Abbott did not destroy our borders.

Abbott did not spend $12B housing 50,000 boat people.

Abbot did not lock up 2,000 children.

Abbott did not stop thousands of people from UNHCR camps from getting places in Australia because of boat people.

Abbot did not cause unemployment to go from 4.3% to 5.8% in no time flat.

Abbott did not cause our debt to go from -3.8% of GDP to 10% in no time.

And Abbott did not drown several thousand boat people.

How do we know?

“…And they are indeed responsible for their predicament. The Taxpayer is certainly not responsible…”

Of course they are!
We know that they had choice of all beautiful australia to live in, but after colonisation, they simply chose to live in the most arid unproductive land that the government designated for them.

‘lifestyle choice’ to the most disadvantaged (next to AS) group of people by every measure in australia is a flat out insult from the minister for aborigines.

He just shit off many mp’s with his car funding capt pick, so he goes out and out racist to pander to the redneck base.

Of course Abbott’s supporters will all be happy to have an indigenous community right in their street.

After all, it’s the desired lifestyle!

“The former Immigration minister’s accusations against Save The Children workers are starting to look very shaky’

no deadbeat.

Claims have been made and Morrison had to look into them.

” claims from what have turned out to be a very dodgy report ”

Yep and Morrison looked into it.

What is he supposed to do. Ignore the claims because they may be false?

It is outrageous that the Indonesian Government is threatening to unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers because they’re feeling some pressure from the Australian Government about their plan to kill some Australian citizens.

Immoral and cowardly c**ts

The boats almost immediately stopped coming but he lost the election regardless. Incoming prime minister, Tony Abbott, continued Rudd’s policy and has since claimed victory for “stopping the boats

Yeah. And Swan was just about to run a surplus budget. With the ALP it is always we were just about to do it but we lost office.

Nothing but lies and deceit from ALP supporters

“”Immoral and cowardly c**ts””

And in doing so they have actually admitted to being corrupt and in fact able to control the actual flow.

Lets not forget those savages have helped destroy plenty of lives by drownings at sea plus destroyed an ALP government and fanned the outrage over another LNP government.

Yes, it is outrageous that yabot humiliates the Indigenous and yomm is outraged about the Indonesians 😯

was “utterly dishonest”.”

Did he explain how?

Labor and their supporters have totally trashed the budget

lol

Australia is one of the lowest taxed countries in the developed world. That was true when Tony Abbott won office, and it was even more true after he scrapped the carbon tax but left the carbon tax compensation in place.

Peter Costello had fun starving the beast while the economy was booming. But Joe Hockey is struggling to tame the beast now that economy is slowing. If he did nothing more radical than close some big tax loopholes, Joe Hockey could redefine the perception that the Abbott government is unconcerned with equity and incapable of delivering budget surpluses. But for many conservatives, the beast simply must be starved, even if there is plenty of food lying around.

http://www.tai.org.au/content/austerity-not-only-choice

And every change labor implemented to try and fix it, hockey has undone. Muppets.

And the economy was booming because of Howard/Costello.

Here I was thinking it was our terms of trade.

Thanks for the confirmation nIl 😉

…The boats almost immediately stopped coming but he lost the election regardless. Incoming prime minister, Tony Abbott, continued Rudd’s policy and has since claimed victory for “stopping the boats…

==>”…Yeah. And Swan was just about to run a surplus budget. With the ALP it is always we ==> were just about to do it but we lost office.
==> Nothing but lies and deceit from ALP supporters…”

I see what you did there, the the old switcheroo. Get stumped out by facts so make an attack from a completely different subject!

You look stupid with either one and it’s why you don’t deserve to be taken seriously on anything.

From 1996-2004 terms of trade were average.

I think you meant to say “rising” 😉

unfortunately SA ALP is contributing to it, not fixing it…

Too true. They have made quite a few quite drastic and imo wrong decisions since being voted back in.

‘Lifestyle choices’ is Abbott’s third and final strike on Indigenous affairs

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/lifestyle-choices-is-abbotts-third-and-final-strike-on-indigenous-affairs?CMP=share_btn_tw

No shit, but by my count, he is way past three on Indigenous affairs alone.

C’mon armchair, just because hockey controlled it, doesn’t mean he knew anything about it.

I mean, he controls our economy right? 😉

Interestingly, arfur had the same excuse.

“I’m not responsible, I’m just in charge” 😯

Giggle … with ear pods tuned HIGH to metal I presume! “Improves my par”, he said

Maybe it does, maybe it does 😉

“”That of course includes Wally The Willie Wanker … ”

So what provoked that you moron ?

Ohhhhhhh…………………..Bwaaaaaaaaaah……..!

So the cranky senile one from Queensland is all soooooooo upset and cut up because he cant be consistent and he got caught out on it.

Cry me a river you dickhead

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah…………………………!

Its almost 10am……………………have you wet the bed yet ?

“”l wonder if that mundine fellow will still be on-side with mr-rabbit after this. “”

Yes he is on board. On Sydney 2UE this morning he said the PM could have used better words but when you hear his entire 50 second statement he is essentially correct with the question how do you provide taxpayer services to small remote communities ?

Then he went on to discuss Twitter flaming up the issue and not discussing it seriously.

I cant believe Twitter users could be described as “flaming up”” an issue…………………..Extraordinary thing to say LOL

lolz, godbothering IS a lifestyle choice for many armchair 😉

Yeah!!

…and, and, and… footy needs tobacco sponsorship or all the teams will go broke!!

(NRL about 25 years ago)

…and, and, and… there’s not even any proof that smoking causes ill health.

I saw a photo of Santa Clause smoking a Chesterfield years ago. He was old then, but he’s still going!!

“Onion-rep reckons hockey and mr-rabbit aren`t doing a very good job selling `work-till-ya`drop` to bhp. #oh.the.irony #oh.it.burns””

Common sense would dictate if its heavy physical and dangerous work then BHP have a point. Unless they can be re-assigned.

“ dementure/altsimers

Heavens!! Must be serious ailments. I’ve not heard of them.

“”Just last week they were talking about an injection to preserve mitochondria weren’t they? “”

Sooooooo you don’t remember just last week ????????????????????

I have to post this again. This is a must read by Turnbull

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-brisbane-club-11-march-2015

When the Howard Government lost office the Federal Government had $45 billion of cash at the bank (equal to 4 per cent of GDP). Seven years later, we are in net debt to the tune of $245 billion (or 14 per cent of GDP).[16]……………………………….But it is to Labor’s enduring shame that as custodians of the Budget during a period when almost three quarters of the resources boom revenue windfall flooded in, they turned a starting point of $45 billion of cash into $245 billion in net debt by the time they left office.

The unions own and control the ALP

Who Made Who?

“I am guessing the fact these union goals are shared by the majority of the NSW population has something to do with how unions are mass organisations, made up of millions of ordinary working Australians. But we’re looking into it.”

http://www.unionsnsw.org.au/unions_agenda_to_increase_number_of_nurses_teachers_and_paramedics_conceded

l`m using a bit of common sense 

How fascinating.

While there is no evidence of this thus far, it is marvellous that you’ve decide to make a start!

is well documented

Do you have any of that documentation?

I recall putting up some youtubes of the witch hunt where they made the allegations, and were torn to pieces with reality.

Some more Turnbull

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-brisbane-club-11-march-2015

The immediate reason for the deterioration from the Budget position left behind by the Howard Government was not difficult to identify. If we compare Peter Costello’s final budget in 2007-08 to Wayne Swan’s final Budget in 2013-14, we see that over Labor’s six years in office:[9]

So under Labor, for every $1 in new revenue, the Government committed to $2 of new spending.

The NBN has got to be the biggest waste of money in Australian history. However the Coalition is stuck with it.

Some more Turnbull

“When the global financial crisis struck in 2008 the fact that we had no net Government debt gave Labor virtually unlimited flexibility to respond with stimulus spending. How will we be placed if there is another GFC-like episode but we have accumulated a mountain of public debt………………….But it is to Labor’s enduring shame that as custodians of the Budget during a period when almost three quarters of the resources boom revenue windfall flooded in, they turned a starting point of $45 billion of cash into $245 billion in net debt by the time they left office. In opposition, they then proceeded to block $25 billion of savings (including $5 billion they themselves originally proposed) while cynically and irresponsibly declining to offer a single alternative measure until the past week when they unveiled, perhaps predictably, a plan for higher taxes.”

Tim Dunlop.

Remember how he arranged a discussion with an IR academic (who had participated in some union sponsored research) ?

Remember how he got all bothered and closed the discussion because it emerged that the research had some unpublished data that was favourable to AWAs?

Remember how Tim deleted some of the comments about that data?

Tim wasn’t exactly committed to free speech unless it was convenient.

bikie infested unions

lol yomm. You start off sounding like you might want to be making a valid point, but end with a Crescendo of gibbering bullshit.

bikie infested unions ROFL you’ve been feeding at the murdoch trough haven’t ya?

I get the feeling that this is closer to the truth than most would like,

providing muscle for the MUA

Wow, or Union members enacting their right?

MUA helps fund the challenge to anti-bikie laws

Or protecting Australian citizens freedom of association.

appeared to threaten

Yes, lots of “appearances” 😉

CFMEU/Comancheros cartel:

ROFL, from the story

Now there are calls for a royal commission

well, the above snippets from that royal witch hunt showed just how “unprofessional” getting your gossip from newspapers is. Maybe the cops should do their own investigating instead of relying on biased reporters feeding them junkets.

But this is all probably just a figment of my imagination

I’d say more a figment of somebody elses that you have taken as gospel. As Doug Cameron said, “Basing you views in innuendo, newspapers or channel nine is “highly Unprofessional””

I’d follow his advice were I you sb 😉

His appearance at ICAC was instructive

You mean, by asking those making the same kind of allegations you linked to to show their non existent evidence?

Nasty Bully isn’t he ROFL

Don’t go full drongo-troll on me

Sorry from bringing facts into the debate. My bad ROFL

“Or protecting Australian citizens freedom of association.”

That must go down as the most entertaining comment for quite some time. Unions like the MUA & CFMEU (Const Div) hate freedom of association. The collective mentality says that the collective will decide that everyone is in the union.

In those unions there is no way individuals decide their associations.

That must go down as the most entertaining comment for quite some time.

I’m still voting for “bikie infested unions”

You should have gone though with “DEAD HAND of bikie infested unions” 😉

who (rightly) hammer Neil for being a one-eyed Liberal supporter

I am anti-labor. There is almost nothing an ALP supporter says i agree with.

“This Federal Government are nothing but a bunch of incompetent meddlers … their meddling in the Indonesian judicial system has damaged our relationship well past the fkn stupid magic 2055 costing the next generations far more than $$$$ …

What a lot of crap TB. Indonesia doesn’t really value the relationship with Australia, the country is deeply corrupt and we have little in the way of trade relations.

When an Indonesian Government minister threatens to unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers at Australia because they’re tired of listening to rational pleas that they don’t kill some people, you know it’s corrupt.

Apparently they’re now admitting that they control the movement of asylum seekers, and will use them for political opportunity.

As you may know I go to Bali and (usually) Java a couple of times a year, and enjoy the holiday and surf, but I’m seriously questioning whether there is any real point in maintaining all the funding for nation building we provide.

Meanwhile this little story has past most of us by………

http://www.billionairesaustralia.com/japan-executes-two-people-as-capital-punishment-row-continues/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=au

“… their meddling in the Indonesian judicial system has damaged our relationship well past the fkn stupid magic 2055 costing the next generations far more than $$$$ … ”

Australia has done no more meddling than Indonesia does to rescue its own citizens from execution in chiefly Middle Eastern countries.

For them to even complain about our “meddling” is totally hypocritical.

“……..according to Wally The Willie Wanker … ”

Ha……………TB’s in a bad mood. Obviously I hit a sore point as to your choice of words the other day which you spent hours denying.

Most normal people would admit the error and just rephrase the error like I did when I used “Taxpayer” when I should have used “Treasury”

But not you being the arrogant prat you are

Did your bag break ?

“who (rightly) hammer Neil for being a one-eyed Liberal supporter”

Under Labor local car manufacturing went from 25% of the local market to 10%.

Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% in no time flat.

Govt debt went from zero to 10% of GDP in no time flat with one the the fastest rates of increase in the Western world.

And yes i know about the GFC. All the GFC did was accelerate what always happens under Labor.

ALP policies do not work

It seems you have already made up your mind.

We have seen from all the other witch unts that the minds are made up before the witch hunts begin. Yes, I will disregard it, because of their history.

What I will do is note the testimony of those there under oath, testimonies that differ widely from the allegations they make in other places.

If you have any “documentation”, feel free. It is all I asked. The “documentation” you provided has already been exposed as worthless, but feel free to try other sauces 😉

Where did Fairfax get their info from wally?

“Where did Fairfax get their info from wally?”

The HSU’s auditor………………chalk one up for the Chartered Accountants LOL

“Ms Jackson’s letter says the union’s auditor wrote to the national executive last May saying he had become aware of the existence of this card and that there appeared to be no documentary evidence to support the cash advances.”

http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-mp-accused-of-credit-card-rort-20090407-9zl7.html

“”Interesting that none of the allegations in the article got Thomson, it was for a misuse(?) of around $3,000 on a credit card over a three year period.””

He would have been caught earlier if the Union was subjected to the same rules as Corporates. But the ALP voted that down

“”It was kathy jackson who was “whistle blowing” wally””

It would have been the auditor asking the difficult questions first, like what is the purpose of all these transaction. Auditors form opinions pretty damn quickly if you cant back things up/substantiate them.

Then they would have reported it to Jackson or someone else in the governing food chain

They are not fooled easily as their public practice licence depends upon it as do their insurance premiums.

They always zoom in on credit cards.

Thomson was just such fucking dope he thought he would not get caught.

stories which support my initial claims

The emphasis there is on “stories”. And I did specifically address “stories” in papers.

He would have been caught earlier if the Union was subjected to the same rules as Corporates

So, if the rules were different, he would have broken them ROFL

As it was, he got done for a $3,000 infraction that nobody was aware of. What a fucken crook. Al Capone eat ya heart out.

It would have been the auditor asking the difficult questions first

Why were they being audited?

Tom R and his mates – in defence of Craig Thompson –
• He’s innocent
• There’s no proof
• He reached a confidential settlement with Fairfax
• It’s all just media speculation
• That’s not his signature
• He has a nice wife
• Think of the baby
• Wait until he makes his comprehensive statement
• Wait until FWA has completed the investigation
• Look over there at that bitch/slut/traitor Kathy Jackson
• The FWA investigator shares an office with Kathy Jackson’s lover
• He hasn’t been charged by the police
• Wait until he has his day in court
• Wait until he appeals
• Spending your employer’s money on prostitutes is one of the perks of being a union official
• It’s really not that serious, who hasn’t pinched money from their employer?

That’s gotta hurt

although he could use the credit card on absolutely anything

Exactly, so we should be really pleased that he used the money to support the good old Aussie service and hospitality industry,

I mean it’s only right that a union leader who runs a union with a significant (majority?) female membership would spend their union expense account on a service sector (prostitution) that is also mainly female.

Craig should be applauded for advancing the employment of women n a growing industry, rather than condemned!!

And good for you for sticking by him – because he’s done nothing wrong!!

I think I could source a related comment for each of the dot points from

Feel free.

And, I see you continue to make the slur about the prostitutes.

Nice.

because he’s done nothing wrong!!

Is that what you are saying? 😉

“Heffernan called my staff member last night and said if Barnaby had made a mistake in correcting Hansard then a lot of my Labor mates have made that same mistake too and he now had the evidence to prove it,” Fitzgibbon told Guardian Australia.

Heffernan says Fitzgibbon’s interpretation of the phone call is nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/13/labor-accuses-bill-heffernan-of-intimidation-over-barnaby-joyce-saga

I think it’s popcorn time 🙂

hmm, although “resigned” appears to equate to “terminated”

” That is his claim,

Hmm…

• So we can’t be critical of Abbott for lies, because he denies lying, and he’s not been prosecuted for dishonesty
• Rudd denied deliberately and persistently leaking to the media about Gillard. I think we should give Rudd the benefit of the doubt!
• Hockey says his budget is good for the country, and there is no court proceedings that he’s guilty of to prove this wrong
• Pyne obviously thinks students should have higher HECs debt, and he’s never been convicted

memo to Public Servants.

TOE THE LINE

THE head of the Federal Department of Agriculture has been sacked amid a falling out with Barnaby Joyce.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/politics/department-of-agriculture-boss-terminated-amid-falling-out-with-barnaby-joyce/story-fnkerdda-1227261477374

So what’s the fuss about.

er, you continuing to slur him with allegations he DID use it on prostitutes.

When we have better and cheaper technologies than coal

we already have better technologies than coal that don’t warm the planet, and they will be cheaper very soon. Just wait until the battery storage for Solar comes down a bit more in a couple of years. Wholesale abandonment of the Grid 😉

Serves ’em fucken right too

I just pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay.

I’ll be wholesale abandoning the grid as soon as that happens.

Being connected to utility networks, as they currently are, is just enabling never-ending gouging.
Even reducing actual household consumption doesn’t insulate from price rises because they jack up the unavoidable supply costs.

Fuck being kept over a barrel like that.

My solar is fkn great.

Mind you, it’s gone a bit off the boil the last coupla hours 😉

“I just pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay”

You ignorant arsehole

Have you ever been to Asia ?

Fuck you arseholes have no fucking idea !

You are such fucking idiots !

Really lorrie, who gives a flying fuck what you or your sheltered workshop fucking think

Those CEOs should make it clear they are just as angry about this as they were about Stephen Conroy’s attempt to impinge on press freedom through media regulation under the previous Labor government.

Memories of the grief Conroy brought down on his head would undoubtedly make Abbott sit up and take notice.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/angry-media-wont-buckle-over-new-surveillance-laws/story-fni0fha6-1227261886014

A) These rules have no equation whatsoever with Conroy media regulations that simply attempted to apply the same rules television broadcast has to print. Accountability! The only similarity is that you churnalists got all antsy.

B) I’d be more convinced if you cared about the same intrusion on everybody, not just churnalists. You didn’t give a flying fuck when it was joe citizen, but once you (finally) clicked that it will impact joe churnalist, all of a sudden you leap into action.

FUCK YOU lorrie, you sanctimonious mountain of selfishness! If you had applied a smidgen of journalistic integrity over th past several years instead of being spellbound by “colour and movement”, we quite possibly wouldn’t be in this fucken position to begin with.

Fuck of to yor irrelvant recluse and don’t bother us with your self absorbed drivel

Lefties being dishonest again. The fool Tim Dunlop quotes Koukoulas

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704

“The budget papers … show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent.”

OK Lefties, make up your mind. Some lefties say the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. Some lefties say Costello taxed too much.

Which is it?

AO

I think you have the wrong like. However

Howard/Costello was the highest taxing govt during a once in a generation mining boom, they could have chosen to tax us less

Tax us less?? But Koukoulas says they were the highest taxing govt in Australian history. But some others says the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. make up your mind.

Splatterbum

I am anti-Labor. in all my life i have never met a more dishonest and deceitful people than those who vote for ALP/Greens

TomR is not to be trusted. He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/tony-abbott-effectively-shuts-holden-and-australian-car-industry/story-fnjwucvh-1226777479192

As tensions between the Federal Government and Holden reached new heights Mr Abbott said: “There’s not going to be any extra money over and above the generous support the taxpayers have been giving the motor industry for a long time.

Since Ford announced in May that it will shut its Australian factories no later than 2016, Holden has stated repeatedly it needs more than the $275 million it was pledged by the then Labor Federal Government in March 2012 to build two new models from 2016 to 2022.

What happened is that when Ford left Holden went back and asked for even more money. Abbott/Hockey said no. You are not getting any more, only what was promised.

How many times have we seen this scenario played out:
1. Leftists have collective wet dream about saving humanity.
2. Force everyone else to pay for their pious wankery.
3. Wind up doing more harm than good anyway.

Leftist? What a Moron… 🙄

I guess that why the big energy companies are claiming over themselves to install alternative energy but its not the left that wants people to pay for it.. Its the Energy cartels…
So I will take the above comment as you are ineptly commenting on shit that you are infinitesimally clueless about… attempting to link alternate energy to climate change as most clueless dullards do.
Contry to the clueless fucking imbecile that is apparently running the country…

Coal is not good for humanity, the ecology, the environment or in the long term the economy.. its is an inefficient finite energy resource that inevitably will erode our way of life in more ways than one… Like Thomson..its history

Why are you prattling on about Thomson? He’s an asshole as is Jackson… He’s over done..dusted move on.. flogging a dead horse…what have you got Nils disease or something?

TomR is not to be trusted

That’s fucking rich coming from an insistent lying trol with a trust factor so low it could parachute out of a snakes ass and freefall for ten minutes…

Tosy whats your point keep digging holes and wait till then to do anything because a TV capitalist with no scientific background bases his assumptions on market data?
If he was any capitalist worth his salt he would be on the renewable gravy train like a fly to shit…

It’s an oddly hypocritical standard he applies, where every (conservative) politician can be subjected to any form of speculation about their behaviour,

At the risk of chasing you away again, Link?

but reasonable, evidence based conclusions about Thompson aren’t allowed unless he was specifically prosecuted for the action.

reasonable? evidence based? The “evidence” placed was inconclusive, and he has no charge in relation to them. So continue your slurs, since you now freely admit that is what they are.

You have not in any way demonstrated how his claims have been validated.

Except of course via links that showed that the quoted utterances from unattributed “quotes” you supply are nothing but twisting of actual events, statements and outcomes. I’ll give you a hint to the passage, which you refuse to acknowledge ““Seems” is the word you want to be careful of there” 😉

Interestingly, I discovered an earlier comment of yours about Craig Thomson:

You may have discovered it, but I cannot. Perhaps you can link to it so we can get some perspective on it? Sounds to me like, if it was my comment, it was a quote from somebody else, not me, as you claim. But, again, without actually showing the source, we are going on your interpretation. Back it up so we can all see.

if you think you are being rational then please explain how Thomson’s claims have been validated.

I would have thought the court case that found him guilty of a mere three thousand dollars over three years that resulted from the manner he withdrew the funds would have done that, and didn’t include any or all of the salacious front page accusations made against him. The fact that he is not guilty of anything to do with Prostitutes normally validates innocence, except of course in the case of Thomson it appears. It would also appear that the vote yabot denied him was not tainted at all, as he is still eligible to sit in Parliament. The press seem to forgotten that aspect quite fortuitously.

He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

Of course, the grubmint currently re-instating that which they tried to have removed doesn’t really mean anything to you, does it NiL! 😯

Gutter politics at its worst

Education Minister Christopher Pyne has warned the Senate that 1700 research jobs will be scrapped if he doesn’t get his way on uncapping university fees. The tactic was immediately condemned as “toxic, reckless politics at its worst” and led to calls for Mr Pyne to leave behind his student politics ways.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/1700-researchers-become-the-bargaining-chip-in-government-fight-to-uncap-university-fees-20150314-144ckd.html

Let us rip off the kids, or the scientists get it.

Same blackmail tactic morriscum used with Children in Detention against the cross benchers. His worked, but has back fired in the long run. I don’t think Senator Ricky Muir will be trusting the libs ever again.

Of course, the grubmint currently re-instating that which they tried to have removed doesn’t really mean anything to you, does it NiL!

Your statement that the Coalition has removed car industry funding came well before the current backflip. Funding was cut AFTER the car industry announced they were leaving but has now been reversed.

There were no cuts to auto industry funding under the Coalition. They were always going to get what Rudd/Gillard promised. What happened is that they went back and asked for even more money because Ford left.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/tony-abbott-effectively-shuts-holden-and-australian-car-industry/story-fnjwucvh-1226777479192

Since Ford announced in May that it will shut its Australian factories no later than 2016, Holden has stated repeatedly it needs more than the $275 million it was pledged by the then Labor Federal Government in March 2012 to build two new models from 2016 to 2022.

Get over it Splatter

The TRoll is just playing his games again.

He’s always big on demanding Links but never does he put up any strong supporting Links ever and he’ll always claim conspiracy or insult the person you Link to.

I’m not surprised he puts up Wix as a Link. Both enjoy a certain comraderie brought about the common intellectual deserts of logical thought they share

He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

Your defense is

Funding was cut

😯

You know you can google any of the quotes, troll.

And I have, and they all points made about trying to get his client of and speaking in a hypothetical, which the abc etc never highlight, but which I did above, and you ignored initially and now reject.

Also note that both links above are to ABC sources.

And that means … what exactly? That they are immune to poor journalism ROFL

Are you able to link to the quotes you attributed to me earlier? I googled, I could not find them.

Actually it wasn’t cut. ………….promised money from 2017-2020 was cut

😯

claiming Thomson’s claim was “validated”.

Rinse repeat, it really becomes tiresome. Because a judge did not find him guilty of it. If someone wants to find him guilty, they can charge him …. AGAIN! and again and again.
Innocent until proven guilty. Remember the concept?

His defence used it as a hypothesis, and in the abc article, as a highlight of the focus of media. But he denies it, and nobody had proven otherwise. That is all the validation someone who has been dragged through the courts that often needs. Well, you’d think, but the slurs continue.

Visiting here today is like returning to live with your elderly parents after being independent for years. Nothing new is said or done and memory recall of years ago is better than what happened yesterday or today. The world that time forgot.

Visiting here today is like returning to live with your elderly parents after being independent for years being punch drunk, or maybe without the punch.

Thomson’s own lawyer slurred him again by claiming he spent money on prostitutes

Applying the context you (deliberately?) ignore

The so-called admissions were actually submissions based on the findings of guilt by the court.

For the layman they are scenario’s that are offered up as explanations in order to reduce a sentence that is based on behavior that the court has assumed as factual. What they are not, are admissions of guilt.

http://wixxyleaks.com/no-remorse-the-sentencing-of-craig-thomson-and-the-upcoming-appeal/

I think it’s hilarious when anyone quotes Wicks.

”but, but, but …they shared an office!! So they must have exchanged favours, had smokes together!!

Here’s the office they “shared”

So (again) before we make a judgement about a shady politician, our judgement is based only on whether they have been convicted of a criminal offense, and not whether-
• Their barrister stated in court that they had behaved in the way alleged
• They say they have “settled” a defamation, when they didn’t
• Their story in court is different to the one they tell the parliament

The judge decided the issue by finding beyond reasonable doubt that Thomson did root whores

IF the judge who presided over the appeal has used the alleged visits to brothels in her determination, then that is vastly different from all of those other statements you put up sb, and I would have to concede that he has not been vindicated for that. I have not seen that anywhere though, except in your unattributed quote above. I would like to see the attribution, but, I will take your word for it, and I will be happy to concede the point in that case that he has not been vindicated of brothel visits in the appeal.

Heavens!!

Thanks sb

I’ll admit, my judgement had become clouded by the years of extremely poor coverage, and misrepresentations in the media of what had been said and done.

But, a Judges verdict, especially the text as you quoted above, cannot easily be dismissed.

Thanks for pointing it for me.

The Coalition did not cut any money to the car industry.

Except of course for your statement above

Funding was cut AFTER the car industry announced they were leaving but has now been reversed.

ROFL

Are you going to admit you were wrong?

NEVER!! (except when I am of course 😉 )

TomR

NO. Funding was there until 2022. Everybody knew that.

TomR

You just prove to me that ALP supporters are deceitful

You should make an attempt to tell the truth from time to time but you are incapable of it.

It is why most ALP policies fail. They are based upon deceit.

Well i don’t have a link but you told me the Coalition cut funding from the time they started office in 2013. You know the days of entitlement were over implying they were going to get no money. Holden was always going to get the $275m/year promised until 2022. But they wanted double that after Ford left.

As long as Holden continued manufacturing they were always going to get the funding promised.

You have now changed the story/topic. This recent funding cut which was reinstated only occurred after Holden announced they were leaving. There would have been no cuts if they had stayed until 2022. Why fund from 2017-2022 if they are not here?

TomR

No embarrassment.

You have told lie upon lie.

You are the reason i will never believe anything an ALP supporter says.

Funding was there until 2020.

You said otherwise for political purposes.

Like most ALP supporters you cannot tell the truth.

Truth is not in your DNA

Why don’t you remind me what you said?

My recollection is that you said the Coalition stopped funding the car industry.

Not true. Funding was there till 2022.

What happened is that after Ford left Holden went back to Hockey and asked for double what was promised. Hockey said no. What was promised was all the were going to get.

No. I do not have a link for what you said. Why don’t you remind me?

I guess i could spend hours searching for what you said. i will give it a go if you do not say what you said about the Coalition cutting funding to the car industry.

There were no cuts. Hockey did tell them in no uncertain terms that they would not be getting the extra money they were asking. What was promised was all they were going to get.

I remember what you said. You said the Coalition cut funding to the car industry.

There were no cuts as long as they continued to make cars in Australia.

Come on TomR. It should not be too hard to remember what you said. Why don’t you post it again.

More deceitfulness.

You have got to be the biggest liar to post on the internet. There were not cuts as long as they continued to make cars in Australia

https://theguttertrash.com/2014/08/28/rostrum-18/#comment-71576

Check your history nil, they left after hockey told them to fuck off!

the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

No, the subsidies were not stopping. They were to continue until 2022 if they continued to make cars in Australia.

TomR you are a man with no ethics or honesty. You suit the ALP perfectly

the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

Did the subsidies stop nIl?

Are they now being re-instated because ….. who fucken well knows.

he told me many times that Holden left because the subsidies were cut.

And yet all you manage to dredge up was me saying “were stopping”, which, if I’m not mistaken, or am myself a Timelord, differs markedly from “were cut” quite substantially in the more generically understood Timeline continuum 😆

From a certain immediate date not affecting existing arrangements………………..of course

“Did the subsidies stop nIl?”

No. They did not stop as long as they continued to make cars in Australia.

Now they are leaving there is a discussion as to whether we should continue with subsidies. Why fund then from 2017-2022 if they will not be here?

You wiggle like a worm. No wonder most ALP policies fail. They are designed by people with no ethics.

“”Why not existing houses wally, if you don’t mind?””

Overseas buyers supposedly cant buy existing houses and building sector drives Big Box Retail and TB would like to see the upcoming extinction of a few CAs.

New Houses/Apartments . I’d like to se restrictions on houses for OS buyers. But I’m happy to sell them as much high rise as they like.

Airspace is pretty much unlimited in supply (to a point)