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Tony Abbott says Taxpayers can’t fund Aboriginals’ “Lifestyle Choice”

March 11, 2015

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Tony Abbott has made yet another reprehensible blunder declaring that people who live in remote communities do so as a “lifestyle choice.”

The Prime Minister, who coincidentally also happens to be the self-professed “Minister for Aboriginal Affairs,” said that it was “not unreasonable” that the West Australian Government intends to close almost half of the state’s 274 remote communities because the cost of providing services such as schools, apparently “outweighed the benefits.”

“What we can’t do is endlessly subsidise lifestyle choices if those lifestyle choices are not conducive to the kind of full participation in Australian society that everyone should have,” he said.

Mr Abbott said if people choose to live in areas where there are no schools or jobs, there is a limit to what they can expect the state to provide.

“If people choose to live miles away from where there’s a school, if people choose not to access the school of the air, if people choose to live where there’s no jobs, obviously it’s very, very difficult to close the gap,” he said.

The WA Government flagged the closure of up to 150 of the state’s remote Aboriginal communities after the Federal Government, which funded about two-thirds of the state’s remote Indigenous settlements, announced in September it was offloading that responsibility to the states over the next two years.

Labor’s Indigenous Affairs spokesman Shayne Neumann said Mr Abbott’s comments were highly offensive and threatened to undo the progress that has been made towards reconciliation.

“Here he is saying that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people should be evicted from the lands on which they’ve lived for millenia,” he said.

“He really is a disgrace and he really should apologise unreservedly for these comments.”

“Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have had more than 200 years of dispossession, dislocation and disadvantage and the Prime Minister wants to perpetuate this.”

West Australian Greens Sentor Rachel Siewert joined the chorus of criticism, releasing a statement describing Mr Abbott’s comments as “unbelievably racist and completely out of touch”.

“The cultures that exist within these communities are thousands of years old and stretch far beyond the Prime Ministers bizarre idea of a ‘lifestyle choice’,” she said.

“I urge the Prime Minister to apologise and retract his unthoughtful comments which downplay cultures that have stood the test of time. We should be working with communities rather than smashing through them”.

 

 

 

 

 

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414 Comments leave one →
  1. March 11, 2015 9:15 am

  2. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:18 am

    Yet he wants to fund the lifestyle choices of “women of calibre”, Private School Bullies and School Chaplains to name but a few

    Oh, and incompetent treasurers who get upset when a paper says nasty things. Gillard could have made a living out of taking ltdnews etal to courts if that was the norm.

  3. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:22 am

    “Similarly, it’s very difficult for the adults to get a proper job if there’s no employment within hundreds of miles and this is where we have to be a little bit realistic,” he said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/lifestyle-choice-tony-abbott-stands-by-controversial-comments-despite-indigenous-leader-backlash-20150310-140mn5.html

    well yabot, your grubmint has extended that perimeter quite considerably.

    Also good to see mundine finally making a stand, in a very wet lettuce manner.

    But Mr Abbott’s own chief advisor on indigenous affairs, Warren Mundine, told Fairfax Media the Prime Minister’s comments were wrong.

    “That is a complete misconception of what it is and he’s wrong in that regard,” Mr Mundine said. “It is not about a lifestyle, it is not like retiring and moving for a sea change, it is about thousands of years connection, their religious beliefs and the essence of who they are.”

  4. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:28 am

    “It is not about a lifestyle, it is not like retiring and moving for a sea change, it is about thousands of years connection, their religious beliefs and the essence of who they are.”

    In other words there will always be a Gap since the Taxpayer is not going to build schools for mere handfuls of children of differing ages.

    Seems logical except for the Twitterers as they unleash their foaming fury at such logic

  5. March 11, 2015 9:31 am

  6. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:34 am

    In other words there will always be a Gap since the Taxpayer is not going to build schools for mere handfuls of children of differing ages.

    If only there was some sort of solution to that?

  7. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:36 am

    lol @ reb 🙂

    cry @ reb 😦

  8. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:40 am

    fucken leaners

  9. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:43 am

    “”If only there was some sort of solution to that?””

    Yes but are they choosing to tune in ?

    And I suppose you would also like a hospital and an airport purposely built as well ?

  10. March 11, 2015 9:49 am

    “”I suppose you would also like a hospital and an airport purposely built as well ?””

    I think the point that you are missing is that the self-professed Minister for Aboriginal Affairs is quite happy to see funding for remote communities slashed by 50%, and then blames those communities for choosing to live there.

    This isn’t about funding new infrastructure. It’s about abandoning those communities and then blaming them for their predicament.

    IT’S A DISGRACE!

  11. March 11, 2015 9:50 am

  12. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:53 am

    And I suppose you would also like a hospital and an airport purposely built as well ?

    If only there was some sort of solution to that? 😯

  13. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 9:53 am

    IT’S A DISGRACE!

    I AGREE!

  14. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:00 am

    “”This isn’t about funding new infrastructure. It’s about abandoning those communities and then blaming them for their predicament.””

    It is everything to do with infrastructure. The Taxpayer cannot continue to provide infrastructure when people are exercising Lifestyle Choices.

    And they are indeed responsible for their predicament. The Taxpayer is certainly not responsible.

    I don’t care if a whole bunch of Indians or Greeks or Italians went bush. The Taxpayer should not follow them around to assist them.

  15. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:02 am

    I don’t care if a whole bunch of Indians or Greeks or Italians went bush.

    Miners are different then I guess, and so should be subsidised by the taxpayer?

  16. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:09 am

    If you really must “”Look over there”” Miners build there own infrastructure and get a depreciation allowance to offset against taxable income.

    I fail to see the connection between a taxpaying entity that builds its own roads on-site and capital equipment plus its own railways, power generators etc.

    But please feel free to link to a remote community that has and is a net taxpayer to the government.

  17. March 11, 2015 10:12 am

    “” It is everything to do with infrastructure. “”

    I think I said “NEW infrastructure”

    “”And they are indeed responsible for their predicament. The Taxpayer is certainly not responsible.””

    Just like the unemployed, asylum seekers, or people on public hospital waiting lists I suppose. Why can’t they just make better “lifestyle choices…??”

  18. March 11, 2015 10:14 am

  19. March 11, 2015 10:17 am

    If you really must “”Look over there””

    We subsidise farmers don’t we….?

    Or are you saying that some rural lifestyles are more equal than others…?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:33 am

    … plus its own railways, power generators etc.

    Not many of them … rail and power are usually built owned and operated by state authorities …

    BHPB owns/operates the Pilbara line …

    The Adani line is about to be constructed with heavy subsidies offered by the previous LNP government … withdrawn by the ALP government … which Adani says it never needed …

    I don’t know of any mine that generates its own power … doesn’t mean that there isn’t one now (I last tramped a mine site in 2005 – and never missed ’em)

  21. March 11, 2015 10:34 am

    Unsurprisingly, Bolt is going in hard on this today; one of his pet indignations, as it is.

    I find that amusing because, rightly or wrongly, Bolt’s loud allegiance with DuuuuhAbbott on issues such as this is likely to influence more people to think that Abbott is being racist; on account of Bolt’s ‘form’ in the area.

    As far as subsidies go…I don’t particularly like subsidising things like athletes, Olympic games or visits from the monarchy. It’s a hollow argument.

    Abbott/Bolt are just throwing bones to their base…the ones who’d vote for him anyway…while reinforcing his lack of political acumen to everyone else.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:35 am

    Or are you saying that some rural lifestyles are more equal than others…?

    Silly question … of course there, are its so obvious – tory voting, church going, shiny arses …

  23. March 11, 2015 10:36 am

    “”Abbott/Bolt are just throwing bones to their base…the ones who’d vote for him anyway…while reinforcing his lack of political acumen to everyone else.””

    Yep!

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:38 am

    Is that The Mad Abbott leading a hymn or bible bashing little kids …

    while reinforcing his lack of political acumen to everyone else.

    Which group of people hasn’t The Mad Abbott insulted yet?

  25. March 11, 2015 10:39 am

    Pretty sure there are several minesites in Australia who produce their own power via gas fired turbines, TB.
    I only know because I’ve had pretty intensive training & operate one myself. The trainer from the US parent company (and it’s not the only company which manufactures such turbines) definitely attends numerous mine sites in Oz.
    The turbine I am familiar with can generate about 23Mw, some of these mine sites run multiples.

  26. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:41 am

    “”I don’t know of any mine that generates its own power “”

    Not many but some do

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/fortescue-bid-to-sell-power-plant-in-pursuit-of-savings-20120718-22akn.html

  27. March 11, 2015 10:41 am

    “Which group of people hasn’t The Mad Abbott insulted yet?”

    School chaplains?

    Firemen?

  28. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:42 am

    “”Or are you saying that some rural lifestyles are more equal than others…?””

    Of course they are.

    There’s no hiding from that

  29. March 11, 2015 10:45 am

    Cecil Rhodes would be proud Tones.. he’s the living embodiment of the original intent of the Rhodes scholarship to proliferate the British Empire’s monarchy.

    Close your eyes for a minute and you would swear we are in Rhodesia …

    oh wait.. hang on …I think Tones is a bit confused between Rhodes Rhodesia and Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

    I guess its easy to confuse the despots, when your all bunged up with ideas awaiting another suppository of wisdom 🙄

    When did good government start again? Can you tell Tony we are listening too Reb.

    The problem with politicians getting to know the issues in indigenous townships is that we tend to suffer from what Aboriginal people call the ‘seagull syndrome’ – we fly in, scratch around and fly out.
    Tony Abbott

  30. March 11, 2015 10:47 am

    ” tory voting, church going, shiny arses …”

    You must be talking about large landholders who employ farmhands to be productive, coz that doesn’t sound like any ‘farmer’ I know (and I know plenty). Especially the ‘shiny arse’ bit.

  31. March 11, 2015 10:53 am

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:56 am

    Living in an indigenous community isn’t a “lifestyle” choice. They happened to have been born there as were the 1000 prior generations.

    Abbott has either lost the plot or he thinks being a redneck will resonate with the constituency.

  33. March 11, 2015 11:01 am

    “Abbott has either lost the plot or he thinks being a redneck will resonate with the constituency.”

    The latter…he’s a contemptible conservative monarchist with a political tin ear, but he’s not having an ‘episode’.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:02 am

    The turbine I am familiar with can generate about 23Mw, some of these mine sites run multiples.

    Yeh they would have to …

    The baby Marion draglines pull a lot of power …

    Drag Motors
    2 × 1230 kW (2 × 1,650 hp)

    Hoist Motors
    2 × 1230 kW (2 × 1,650 hp)

    Swing Motors
    2 × 477 kW (2 × 640 hp)

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:05 am

    You must be talking about large landholders …

    Just “implying” … 🙂

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:20 am

    Yes, I’d put it down to differentiating himself from Turnbull.

    Appealing to the redneck vote is bound to work (in Queensland)

  37. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:23 am

    “”Living in an indigenous community isn’t a “lifestyle” choice””

    We can argue all day about whether it is or not.

    The point is the Taxpayer cannot follow everyone around this joint handing out dollops of cash due to its sheer size.

    That’s the Reality of a continent this large with a population of just 24M est.

  38. March 11, 2015 11:23 am

    Indeed a differentiation Tom.. between certifiably Insane and Sane 🙄

  39. March 11, 2015 11:26 am

    ROLF Wally is implying he actually pays tax 🙂

    So economic rationalism dictates that Aborigenality should be neatly shoehorned around the tourist strips and mining leases…
    oh I see… 🙄

  40. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:31 am

    “”So economic rationalism ………………………..””

    Taxpayer rationalism to be more precise.

  41. March 11, 2015 11:48 am

  42. March 11, 2015 11:50 am

    “”We can argue all day about whether it is or not.””

  43. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 11:53 am

    “”This is what the PM’s chief advisor on indigenous affairs had to say about ….”

    That’s fine……………………considering his parents moved from Northern NSW to Sydney when he was a child to obtain (I assume) better opportunities for them and their kids.

    I’d say that was their Lifestyle Choice.

    The Taxpayer also has a choice

  44. March 11, 2015 12:04 pm

    “”The Taxpayer also has a choice””

    If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.

  45. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 12:11 pm

    If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.

    Ouch!

  46. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 12:19 pm

    “”If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.””

    Okay point taken

    Let me call it Treasury then

    I’m no fan of chaplains either

  47. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 12:22 pm

    Double Ouch !

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-bhp-leads-asx-plunge-20150311-3rux5.html

    Glad I sold my Banks and Telstra last week

    I was feeling a bad “vibe””

    But I kept my miners……………..Ouch

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 12:45 pm

    “”The Taxpayer also has a choice””

    If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.

    So lifestyle choice … taxpayer funded … and entitlements taxpayer funded … don’t apply to politicians who are no longer politicians?

    What a bunch of fkn hypocrites!!!

  49. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 12:49 pm

    Does the taxpayer have the choice to get paid to take hockey to court for defaming us and calling us leaners?

  50. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:02 pm

    hehe, we get to vote for yabot biggest blunder

    So many to choose from, and that’s a cut down list.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-10-biggest-gaffes-clangers-and-cringeworthy-moments-20150311-140qnp.html

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:24 pm

    So many alright … and there’s more of course …

    So bloody difficult … I checked Bernie … but the “shit happens” was almost … didn’t know the Brogden incident but just those three demonstrate a heartless prick who claims to believe in a dog and the crap that it entails …

    Hypocrite …

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:33 pm

    Maybe this should be changed …

    While our income tax system is proportional, meaning you pay more if you make more, superannuation is taxed at a flat rate.

    High-income earners pay over 45 per cent tax on every dollar they earn above $180,000. But if that income comes from a superannuation account, the tax rate drops to 15 per cent.

    Meanwhile, a low-income earner who makes $10,000 a year would pay no income tax but is still obliged to pay the same flat rate — 15 per cent — on their super.

    As a consequence, the benefits of super tax concessions flow largely to Australia’s super rich.

    “High-income earners get a tax break, while low-income earners pay more tax on their super than their income. It’s ridiculous,” Dr Denniss said.

    He said the worst part of the scheme was that any income from superannuation was entirely tax-free if you were over 65.

    “If people understood this there would be riots,” Dr Denniss said. “It’s legal money-laundering.

    “If you can sink $100 million into your super fund and you are over 65, you will never pay tax. It’s obscene.

    “The system is broken. It’s unaffordable and there is no chance it will last for the next 40 years.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/superannuation/the-great-australian-1nbsptrillion-rip-off-why-our-superannuation-system-is-broken/story-e6frfmdi-1227258188475

    A very interesting read … if we are discussing “lifestyle” choices …

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:37 pm

    Abbott did not destroy the budget

    Abbott did not destroy our borders.

    Abbott did not spend $12B housing 50,000 boat people.

    Abbot did not lock up 2,000 children.

    Abbott did not stop thousands of people from UNHCR camps from getting places in Australia because of boat people.

    Abbot did not cause unemployment to go from 4.3% to 5.8% in no time flat.

    Abbott did not cause our debt to go from -3.8% of GDP to 10% in no time.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:38 pm

    Oh

    And Abbott did not drown several thousand boat people.

  55. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:42 pm

    And Abbott did not drown several thousand boat people.

    How do we know?

  56. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 1:45 pm

    Speaking of which

    The former Immigration minister’s accusations against Save The Children workers are starting to look very shaky

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/03/11/fresh-revelations-weaken-scott-morrisons-claims-about-self-harm-coaching-staff-nauru

    Mind you, will the msm even care that morrison lied to them again? probably not.

  57. armchair opionator permalink
    March 11, 2015 2:22 pm

    “…And they are indeed responsible for their predicament. The Taxpayer is certainly not responsible…”

    Of course they are!
    We know that they had choice of all beautiful australia to live in, but after colonisation, they simply chose to live in the most arid unproductive land that the government designated for them.

    ‘lifestyle choice’ to the most disadvantaged (next to AS) group of people by every measure in australia is a flat out insult from the minister for aborigines.

    He just shit off many mp’s with his car funding capt pick, so he goes out and out racist to pander to the redneck base.

  58. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 2:30 pm

    so he goes out and out racist to pander to the redneck base.

    Yep, and the redknecks lap it up.

  59. armchair opionator permalink
    March 11, 2015 2:31 pm

    Of course Abbott’s supporters will all be happy to have an indigenous community right in their street.

    After all, it’s the desired lifestyle!

  60. March 11, 2015 2:31 pm

    Yes Nil Abbott did not do a lot of things… most of what he promised was a complete fabrication

    ROLF.. Wally again brags about his riches and share portfolio whilst attacking somebody’s credibility on the issue for bettering themselves… #irreleventtoissuefatcat

    Maybe the Aborigenals should recind all the mining rights on their land to keep all these communityes afloat…
    If they are so economically draining on the economy and royalties from tax evading mining mogals

  61. March 11, 2015 2:33 pm

  62. March 11, 2015 2:51 pm

    Hear that Wally????

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:00 pm

    “The former Immigration minister’s accusations against Save The Children workers are starting to look very shaky’

    no deadbeat.

    Claims have been made and Morrison had to look into them.

  64. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:26 pm

    Claims have been made and Morrison had to look into them.

    No, claims from what have turned out to be a very dodgy report were made and morrison used them to turn attention away from the real issue.

    Children Overboard anyone?

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:34 pm

    ” claims from what have turned out to be a very dodgy report ”

    Yep and Morrison looked into it.

    What is he supposed to do. Ignore the claims because they may be false?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:42 pm

    THE PARALLEL UNIVERSE OF TONY ABBOTT!

    “I’m not in the business of picking fights with anyone,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/indonesian-minister-tedjo-edhy-purdijatno-says-a-human-tsunami-could-be-unleashed-on-australia/story-fnh81fz8-1227257751232

    And that, to a degree, includes Chan and Sukumaran, who are increasingly becoming pawns in a game played by

    TWO

    new and inexperienced government ministers who speak without thinking.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:45 pm

    Interesting from news.com.au … the truth …

    Kevin Rudd, who reopened the way to asylum seekers in early 2008 by ending the Pacific Solution, later realised he had made a serious political miscalculation after people started coming by sea — and dying — in great numbers.

    Mr Rudd changed his tune for his own political survival, releasing a statement in July 2013 saying that no one who arrived by boat would ever settle in Australia but could find new lives in Papua New Guinea.

    It was, for Mr Rudd, a failed chance to try and save his prime ministership.

    The boats almost immediately stopped coming but he lost the election regardless. Incoming prime minister, Tony Abbott, continued Rudd’s policy and has since claimed victory for “stopping the boats”.

    My bold …

  68. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 3:55 pm

    What is he supposed to do

    To not ignore the initial allegations of sexual abuse, and to not loudly proclaim, with all the leading terms, that they were coached. Deflection, just like Children Overboard.

    They have form

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:19 pm

    It is outrageous that the Indonesian Government is threatening to unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers because they’re feeling some pressure from the Australian Government about their plan to kill some Australian citizens.

    Immoral and cowardly c**ts

  70. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:26 pm

    “”………whilst attacking somebody’s credibility on the issue for bettering themselves… ”

    Glad to see that you agree with me that the move to Sydney was a wise one.

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:33 pm

    The boats almost immediately stopped coming but he lost the election regardless. Incoming prime minister, Tony Abbott, continued Rudd’s policy and has since claimed victory for “stopping the boats

    Yeah. And Swan was just about to run a surplus budget. With the ALP it is always we were just about to do it but we lost office.

    Nothing but lies and deceit from ALP supporters

  72. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:42 pm

    Isn’t it unusual that the Twitter Sphere has not gone into a similar frenzy over Bill Shorten’s remarks today that the PM SHOULD NOT BE focussing on small communities.

    Funny that………….. ay……………………LOL

    Keep up the feigned outrage gang……….!

  73. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:45 pm

    “”Immoral and cowardly c**ts””

    And in doing so they have actually admitted to being corrupt and in fact able to control the actual flow.

    Lets not forget those savages have helped destroy plenty of lives by drownings at sea plus destroyed an ALP government and fanned the outrage over another LNP government.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2015 4:46 pm

    …and engage in forced colonisation.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 5:07 pm

    Lets not forget those savages …

    Time warp? Did I mention parallel universe?

    Did The Mad Abbott threaten Indonesia recently …

    …and engage in forced colonisation.

    Chuckle …

  76. March 11, 2015 5:09 pm

    Glad to see that you agree with me that the move to Sydney was a wise one

    Glad to see you are still the king of deflective irrelevance and creative tax evasion.
    I know you love twitter so I’ll tweet it for you

  77. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 5:21 pm

    Yes, it is outrageous that yabot humiliates the Indigenous and yomm is outraged about the Indonesians 😯

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 5:24 pm

    … yomm is outraged about the Indonesians 😯

    Think you mean savage Indos … or sumfink …

    Onward kristchun solderers …

  79. March 11, 2015 5:24 pm

    “During a press conference in Mount Gambier, Tony Abbott told reporters a $1m advertising campaign launched recently by the state Labor government blaming Canberra for cuts to pensioner concessions was “utterly dishonest”.”

  80. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 5:29 pm

    was “utterly dishonest”.”

    Did he explain how?

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 5:33 pm

    Hey Toilet

    What is your point?

    Did Abbott threaten you?

  82. March 11, 2015 5:55 pm

    This guy has a death wish…

    the first to charge the revolution will be the grey army no risk..
    The ALP, Greens and Independents will have none of it Toilet so I wouldn’t worry..
    I predict a shirt fronting off the richtor scale of magnanimous magnitude

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/07/abbott-ministers-want-to-negotiate-watered-down-pension-changes

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 6:02 pm

    Yep

    Labor and their supporters have totally trashed the budget. And they do not care.

    Leftie laa laa land means you can spend whenever you want on whatever you want without a care in world.

  84. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 6:07 pm

    Labor and their supporters have totally trashed the budget

    lol

    Australia is one of the lowest taxed countries in the developed world. That was true when Tony Abbott won office, and it was even more true after he scrapped the carbon tax but left the carbon tax compensation in place.

    Peter Costello had fun starving the beast while the economy was booming. But Joe Hockey is struggling to tame the beast now that economy is slowing. If he did nothing more radical than close some big tax loopholes, Joe Hockey could redefine the perception that the Abbott government is unconcerned with equity and incapable of delivering budget surpluses. But for many conservatives, the beast simply must be starved, even if there is plenty of food lying around.

    http://www.tai.org.au/content/austerity-not-only-choice

    And every change labor implemented to try and fix it, hockey has undone. Muppets.

  85. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 6:13 pm

    During a press conference in Mount Gambier

    Is that remote outpost on the chopping block too? 😉

    Hope you found a way to Chillax whilst he was there toilet.

  86. March 11, 2015 6:16 pm

    “If that were true, I wouldn’t be funding school chaplains.”

    AfknMEN!

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 6:20 pm

    “Peter Costello had fun starving the beast while the economy was booming”

    And the economy was booming because of Howard/Costello.

    Labor trashed the budget and it most probably will never be fixed.

  88. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 6:22 pm

    And the economy was booming because of Howard/Costello.

    Here I was thinking it was our terms of trade.

  89. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:02 pm

    Thanks for the confirmation nIl 😉

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:06 pm

    My figure shows terms of trade did not start to increase until 2004. And then they exploded under Labor.

    From 1996-2004 terms of trade were average.

    Thanks for confirming you are a total liar.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:06 pm

    …The boats almost immediately stopped coming but he lost the election regardless. Incoming prime minister, Tony Abbott, continued Rudd’s policy and has since claimed victory for “stopping the boats…

    ==>”…Yeah. And Swan was just about to run a surplus budget. With the ALP it is always we ==> were just about to do it but we lost office.
    ==> Nothing but lies and deceit from ALP supporters…”

    I see what you did there, the the old switcheroo. Get stumped out by facts so make an attack from a completely different subject!

    You look stupid with either one and it’s why you don’t deserve to be taken seriously on anything.

  92. March 11, 2015 7:14 pm

    “…and engage in forced colonisation.”

    Hnnnnnduuuuuuggggrrrrhhhh!”

  93. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:21 pm

    From 1996-2004 terms of trade were average.

    I think you meant to say “rising” 😉

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:26 pm

    AO

    Deranged thinking by ALP supporters.

    Everything Rudd/Gillard did failed.

    Swan promised a surplus budget a million times but it did not happen.

    To believe they would have stopped the boats is insane.

  95. March 11, 2015 7:44 pm

    “Is that remote outpost on the chopping block too? 😉

    Hope you found a way to Chillax whilst he was there toilet.”

    I played golf.

    Not many here have much tolerance for him. He should be concerned, coz this has always been one of the safest Coalition seats in Australia.

    Plenty on the chopping block down here, unfortunately SA ALP is contributing to it, not fixing it…

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 11, 2015 7:55 pm

    There was an extremely important point made on the drum tonight [ben wyatt, WA shadow minister aboriginal affairs]. No traditional aboriginal people are making a lifestyle choice of where they live he said, there is no choice, under westminster, we recognised only one right for aboriginal people, native title, mabo, continuous connection, continuous link with land. If you break that connection to land, you lose the one right that they have.
    Many are there right now because of decisions made by previous government.

    Jonothan Green – “who is going to benefit from the breaking of the continuous connection?”

    Josh Bornstein – “are they going to stop taxpayer funding and services to farmers who choose to live in remote areas and their taxpayer funding for droughts and floods. Abbott wouldn’t have said that about white farmers”

    Patricia Cavealis – the policy direction is substantive, federal government took away funding from the states/territories, now the states are backing away from it.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 8:05 pm

    You look stupid with either one and it’s why you don’t deserve to be taken seriously on anything.

    That of course includes Wally The Willie Wanker … parallel universe! Matrix? Divergent?

    Fkn incredible …

    I played golf.

    Giggle … with ear pods tuned HIGH to metal I presume! “Improves my par”, he said

    The Australian economy is being right buggered by the Yankee BS at the moment … but the dithering by the Federal government is only fuelling the fire to lower confidence and make people tighten the reins … governments don’t control economies they “influence” them – this lot is influencing down … and then blaming others … absfknolutely astounding!

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 8:07 pm

    Patricia Cavealis – the policy direction is substantive, federal government took away funding from the states/territories, now the states are backing away from it.

    But, but they get the GST …. incompetent fools … what a choice!

  99. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2015 8:11 pm

    unfortunately SA ALP is contributing to it, not fixing it…

    Too true. They have made quite a few quite drastic and imo wrong decisions since being voted back in.

    ‘Lifestyle choices’ is Abbott’s third and final strike on Indigenous affairs

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/lifestyle-choices-is-abbotts-third-and-final-strike-on-indigenous-affairs?CMP=share_btn_tw

    No shit, but by my count, he is way past three on Indigenous affairs alone.

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2015 8:50 pm

    ONYA MALCOLM

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/03/11/malcolm-turnbull-on-the-budget-problem/

    “In September 2013 the Coalition Government inherited a Federal Budget that had been heavily in deficit for six years and was projected to remain that way for at least another decade.

    The immediate reason for the deterioration from the Budget position left behind by the Howard Government was not difficult to identify. If we compare Peter Costello’s final budget in 2007-08 to Wayne Swan’s final Budget in 2013-14, we see that over Labor’s six years in office:

    ● Spending rose from $272 billion to $411 billion – an increase of $139 billion.

    ● Revenue rose from $295 billion to $363 billion – an increase of $68 billion…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..When the Howard Government lost office the Federal Government had $45 billion of cash at the bank (equal to 4 per cent of GDP). Seven years later, we are in net debt to the tune of $245 billion (or 14 per cent of GDP).

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2015 10:12 pm

    STINGER!

    But at least we have learned our lesson. The Intergenerational Report released last week by Joe Hockey provides a solid platform from which to reboot the Budget debate, and educate the public about the need for action.

    Not one mention of the GFC … a convenient deceit …

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    March 11, 2015 11:38 pm

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    March 12, 2015 12:25 am

  109. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 8:22 am

    C’mon armchair, just because hockey controlled it, doesn’t mean he knew anything about it.

    I mean, he controls our economy right? 😉

    Interestingly, arfur had the same excuse.

    “I’m not responsible, I’m just in charge” 😯

  110. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 8:30 am

    A plea from a Former subs commander to discuss the subs deal without the political rancour. Good luck with that. The interesting bit is how he dispells all of the rubbish the likes of murdoch and the libs have been pushing for years now. Degrading and belittling what is actually something we should be very proud of. Instead, the Muppets shoot it down and now try to force the build off overseas.

    What is it the hard right have against manufacturing and Australians recognising their own excellence?

    My reason for writing this letter is to try and set the record straight. I will argue that the Collins project was, in many ways, a remarkable success, both as an industrial build and operationally, having produced a highly effective submarine. That is not to say that there were not some problems. At the coal face, these problems were identified and solved whereas, at the political level, it seems that issues were seized upon, blown out of all proportion and repeated time and time again, creating the widespread impression of a “dud” submarine. Playing politics with a major part of Australia’s Strategic Defence should not occur. Have an informed debate by all means but keep the politics out of it.

    http://indaily.com.au/opinion/2015/03/11/former-subs-commander-stop-the-political-spin/

    He also addresses the inaccurate labelling of the “noisy” subs tag, and highlights that, for the years howard was in charge, the project was run down (deliberately?) which resulted in much of the bad press. He also mentions how the bad press effected the project, a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Another good article (with several others on the site) arguing the case for a local build, and highlighting the paucity of reasoning for building overseas, and the impossibility of an overseas manufacturer building here. Lots to read there, I have barely touched the surface. I’m sure it will be required reading for those making the mulit-billion dollar decisions? (ROFL)

    http://www.aspistrategist.org.au/why-australia-should-build-its-own-submarines-1/

    With a hat tip to David McRae and BK at PB

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/03/09/newspoll-55-45-to-labor-3/?comment_page=17/#comment-2147274

  111. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 8:35 am

    Giggle … with ear pods tuned HIGH to metal I presume! “Improves my par”, he said

    Maybe it does, maybe it does 😉

  112. March 12, 2015 9:07 am

    ”””””””’declaring that people who live in remote communities do so as a ”lifestyle choice.””””””’@post

    These fcukers just can`t make-up their mind whether to be `stupid` or `vile` can they. lt seems now they`re specialising in both. l wonder if that mundine fellow will still be on-side with mr-rabbit after this.

    #from my abc24, jooLIE / mr-rabbit has offered to pay lndo the life `prison-costs` if they commute the drug-dickheads sentences FMD.

  113. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2015 9:58 am

    “”That of course includes Wally The Willie Wanker … ”

    So what provoked that you moron ?

    Ohhhhhhh…………………..Bwaaaaaaaaaah……..!

    So the cranky senile one from Queensland is all soooooooo upset and cut up because he cant be consistent and he got caught out on it.

    Cry me a river you dickhead

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah…………………………!

    Its almost 10am……………………have you wet the bed yet ?

  114. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2015 10:47 am

    “”l wonder if that mundine fellow will still be on-side with mr-rabbit after this. “”

    Yes he is on board. On Sydney 2UE this morning he said the PM could have used better words but when you hear his entire 50 second statement he is essentially correct with the question how do you provide taxpayer services to small remote communities ?

    Then he went on to discuss Twitter flaming up the issue and not discussing it seriously.

    I cant believe Twitter users could be described as “flaming up”” an issue…………………..Extraordinary thing to say LOL

  115. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 10:55 am

    how do you provide taxpayer services to small remote communities

    Carrier Pigeons? 😯

    Why not tax large international companies who are currently fleecing us after hockey turned back Labors policies?

    You know, as a start 😉

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 10:58 am

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 11:02 am

    Wally The Willie Wanker alright …

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    March 12, 2015 11:17 am

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    March 12, 2015 11:21 am

  120. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 11:22 am

    lolz, godbothering IS a lifestyle choice for many armchair 😉

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 11:33 am

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    March 12, 2015 11:35 am

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 11:47 am

    Ha Jack’s still around I see … LOL!

    And HE’s still got problems …

    Speaking of “lifestyle” – I’m sick of supporting politicians and their families after they no longer work for Australia Ltd …

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:03 pm

    …Speaking of “lifestyle” – I’m sick of supporting politicians and their families after they no longer work for Australia Ltd …

    A good point TB, the ones currently working are known to push their personal costs onto taxpayers, it’s like they can’t tell the difference between work and play!

    Taxpayers Forced To Fund Lifestyle Choice Of Small Group Of Australians
    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/03/11/taxpayers-forced-to-fund-lifestyle-choice-of-certain-australians/

    Tony Abbott “Sick And Tired” Of Being Held To First World Standards
    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/03/11/tony-abbott-sick-and-tired-of-being-held-to-first-world-standards/

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:04 pm

  126. March 12, 2015 12:21 pm

    ””””””””””By the way, the good news is that per capita consumption of tobacco in volume terms is down around 16.5% since Plain Packaging laws started – Stephen Koukoulas (@TheKouk) March 11, 2015”””””””””””

    Has kouk posted any new data armchair. l still reckon the lions-share of that `16.5%` will have transfered to black-market myself. l followed thru to `fact-check` from one of rickys links which said `tonnage` was stable in both white and black markets.

  127. March 12, 2015 12:29 pm

    #abc24, bhp is threatening to sack two old geezers. The geezers want to keep working, but bhp has changed 8-hour days which geezers can do, to 12-hour days and is hard on the geezers health. Onion-rep reckons hockey and mr-rabbit aren`t doing a very good job selling `work-till-ya`drop` to bhp. #oh.the.irony #oh.it.burns

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:29 pm

    Yeah!!

    …and, and, and… footy needs tobacco sponsorship or all the teams will go broke!!

    (NRL about 25 years ago)

    …and, and, and… there’s not even any proof that smoking causes ill health.

    I saw a photo of Santa Clause smoking a Chesterfield years ago. He was old then, but he’s still going!!

  129. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:42 pm

    “”l still reckon the lions-share of that `16.5%` will have transfered to black-market myself””

    Which would = Price Elasticity

    Not the Kouk’s fucking obsession with Nanny Roxon and with packaging. He must have the hots for her.

    Unless people are transferring to the Black Market because they don’t like packaging…………………..Yeah sure !

  130. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:44 pm

    “Onion-rep reckons hockey and mr-rabbit aren`t doing a very good job selling `work-till-ya`drop` to bhp. #oh.the.irony #oh.it.burns””

    Common sense would dictate if its heavy physical and dangerous work then BHP have a point. Unless they can be re-assigned.

  131. March 12, 2015 12:46 pm

    heads-up armchair, just reported on my #abc24,

    rats with dementure/altsimers have responded positively using ultra-sound, which stimulates brain-repair

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2015 12:50 pm

    dementure/altsimers

    Heavens!! Must be serious ailments. I’ve not heard of them.

  133. March 12, 2015 1:00 pm

    ””””Common sense would”””also indicate that changing FROM 8-hour days TO 12-hour days, is a concerted effort by bhp to arse-fcuk `older` workers, with the added bonus of arse-fcuking eleventy and mr-rabbit in one fell swoop.

  134. March 12, 2015 1:09 pm

    ””””Which would = Price Elasticity””” How dare you doubt the rapid effectiveness of military-grade packaging. Team-Nanny-Roxon will be all over`ya, like fleas on a dog.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 1:17 pm

    …l still reckon the lions-share of that `16.5%` will have transfered to black-market myself…

    Do we have measured data on that assertion teabagz? Does anyone look into the ‘black market’ in anything in this country?

    …bhp is threatening to sack two old geezers. The geezers want to keep working, but bhp has changed 8-hour days which geezers can do, to 12-hour days and is hard on the geezers health…

    That’s true, 12 hr shifts are not for everyone, some have home commitments that must be met or health issues which are manageable for 8 but perhaps not 12 hrs. In my experience, it sounds wonderful in theory – 12 hr shifts, more time off etc. In reality, it turns into 12 hr shifts and don’t expect all your days off together, you’ll get them all over the place and feel even more fatigued. There are always more night shifts when 12 hr shifts are implemented [which some people don’t do too well].

    I know in nursing, when they bring in a new policy affecting shifts worked, it has to be an optional change, with union agreement and input. You can’t just change people’s shifts and lives immediately like that. Those few people on existing 8 hr shifts should be able to continue to do them if they wish and a flexible [remember that word!] workplace should be able to accommodate that.

    BHP must be trying to force the old ones out, mustn’t have seen the libs memo telling everyone we need to have people working until they are 70 yo [ideology doesn’t translate to the real world of employment]

    rats with dementure/altsimers have responded positively using ultra-sound, which stimulates brain-repair

    Another fix! Just last week they were talking about an injection to preserve mitochondria weren’t they? Lots of money being thrown at alzheimers it seems, everyone racing for a cure and the big money it will bring drug manufacturers.

    All hands on deck, the elderly must step up and become more productive!
    No-one wants to get old anymore, we need to work until we drop. Personally I find the way we care for our elderly in nursing homes and the lack of in-home support for them to be pretty terrible, so now we’re wanting them to be clearheaded enough to know their life is shit? What’s the point if we don’t fund our elderly to have a decent and dignified old age?

    I guess, the taxpayer funded BB’s will be the first in the queue 😉

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 1:45 pm

    I’m fed up with supporting farmers’ lifestyles …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/cyclone-hit-qld-famers-to-get-more-money/story-e6frfku9-1227259786317

  137. March 12, 2015 1:48 pm

    Cool experiment

  138. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2015 1:50 pm

    “”Just last week they were talking about an injection to preserve mitochondria weren’t they? “”

    Sooooooo you don’t remember just last week ????????????????????

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2015 1:54 pm

    “Looks like The Australian is about to embark on another effort to “take me down”. Oh dear.”

    Looks like Kook and Blot have a common enemy.

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:08 pm

    I have to post this again. This is a must read by Turnbull

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-brisbane-club-11-march-2015

    When the Howard Government lost office the Federal Government had $45 billion of cash at the bank (equal to 4 per cent of GDP). Seven years later, we are in net debt to the tune of $245 billion (or 14 per cent of GDP).[16]……………………………….But it is to Labor’s enduring shame that as custodians of the Budget during a period when almost three quarters of the resources boom revenue windfall flooded in, they turned a starting point of $45 billion of cash into $245 billion in net debt by the time they left office.

  141. March 12, 2015 2:13 pm

    ”””Do we have measured data on that assertion teabagz?”””

    l`m using a bit of common sense armchair, for years(decades) various `quit` campaigns achieved what, 1% of smokers to quit a year, but some-how, military-grade packs caused `16%` to quit. You really believe that.

    ””’Does anyone look into the `black market` in anything in this country?””

    Yeah, the ato gathers customs and plod data, and make some guestimates, but l`m pretty skeptical of most of their numbers too, as only about 1% of shipping containers are inspected/dog-sniffed, while around 90% of various prohibited stuff gets thru customs, including street-drugs. (don`t get me started on the Aust Burro of Surveys)

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:20 pm

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:23 pm

    I stopped by the Hockey proceedings this morning. It was a bit tedious. Goodsir is playing it well, but looks slightly ridiculous when he says stuff like “I want this nailed to the cross in more ways than one” was not a reference by him to crucifying Hockey.

    The most that came out of it is that Goodsir had it in for Hockey after being forced to apologise for a previous lie. The real question is whether the headline “Treasurer for Sale” (which was Goodsir’s creation) carries an imputation that Hockey is corrupt.

    The best outcome would be if the judge decided that reporters have wide latitude to criticise politicians without fear of being sued and Hockey has to pay $500k in costs for his lawyers and the Fairfax lawyers.

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:30 pm

    The Tele got that story right, KL. The unions own and control the ALP. They fund it so that when the ALP gets in it passes legislation so that the Union/bikie cartel can go about their corrupt business. This is every bit as sinister as the Libs accepting donations from business interests and then passing laws and granting approvals that benefit those donors.

    It should come as no surprise that as soon as Gillard got in she abolished the ABCC. The same with Andrews and his Union puppets passing pro-Union/bikie laws. Foley will be no different. He knows who pays the bills.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:40 pm

    … They fund it so that when the ALP gets in it passes legislation so that the Union/bikie cartel can go about their corrupt business. This is every bit as sinister as the Libs accepting donations from business interests and then passing laws and granting approvals that benefit those donors…

    I don’t see unions and bikies as being a cartel sb. I’ve always said that both sides are as bad as each other. Whereas tomM would always criticise unions without acknowledging the other side of the same coin, corporate donations, back room deals and the lobbying of big business. Quite openly we have invested business groups researching, deciding and writing govt policy and audits, is this democracy or a corporocracy?

    Our political system has entrenched corruption and needs a shake-up, perhaps a federal ICAC [with actual teeth] would help.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:45 pm

    …pretty skeptical of most of their numbers too, as only about 1% of shipping containers are inspected/dog-sniffed, while around 90% of various prohibited stuff gets thru customs, including street-drugs. (don`t get me started on the Aust Burro of Surveys)…

    You can only get what funding allows, if they are underfunded and understaffed they have to do what they can.

    Ideology again, Lib party don’t like regulating stuff, they like business to have free rein to do whatever they like without anyone interfering in their profiteering. Something to with ‘free market’ 🙂

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2015 2:50 pm

    “Our political system has entrenched corruption and needs a shake-up, perhaps a federal ICAC [with actual teeth] would help.”

    On this we can agree!

  148. March 12, 2015 3:10 pm

    ””””””””’QUEENSLAND researchers have made a breakthrough in the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease with a “revolutionary” drug free approach.

    Scientists at the Queensland Brain Institute in St Lucia have had success in using non-invasive ultrasound technology to treat the disease in trials involving mice.

    The approach breaks apart the neurotoxic amyloid plaques that result in memory loss and cognitive decline.

    It could fundamentally change the understanding of how to treat Alzheimer`s, research director Professor Jurgen Gotz said. “The ultrasound waves oscillate tremendously quickly, activating microglial cells that digest and remove the amyloid plaques that destroy brain synapses,” he said.

    “This treatment restored memory function to the same level of normal healthy mice.”

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk described the work as revolutionary.

    ”This is the first stage and the next stage will be research on other animals,” she said.

    ”We could be now one step closer to finding a treatment for this disease.”

    About 250,000 Australians have either dementia or Alzheimer’s – a number that could grow to 900,000 by 2050.

    Ms Palaszczuk congratulated Professor Gotz and said the work was being recognised internationally.

    ”This treatment is happening here in Queensland. It is a Queensland first,” she said.

    Human clinical trials are at least two years away.”””””””””###full-post

  149. March 12, 2015 3:12 pm

    The union Bikie cartel?

    Splatter if you want people to take you seriously dont write comments that are more befitting Nil

    Really fucking sick of Murdoch interfering in Australian politics…such corruption is getting beyond a joke

    Nil: I feel I need to repeat this…
    Me : Fuck off you imbecilic pustular hemorrhoid on the ass off society.

  150. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 3:20 pm

    The unions own and control the ALP

    Who Made Who?

    “I am guessing the fact these union goals are shared by the majority of the NSW population has something to do with how unions are mass organisations, made up of millions of ordinary working Australians. But we’re looking into it.”

    http://www.unionsnsw.org.au/unions_agenda_to_increase_number_of_nurses_teachers_and_paramedics_conceded

  151. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 3:22 pm

    I have to post this again.,/i>

    Just in case we didn’t laugh enough the first time?

    I mean, the libs saved us from the GFC 😯

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2015 3:39 pm

    l`m using a bit of common sense 

    How fascinating.

    While there is no evidence of this thus far, it is marvellous that you’ve decide to make a start!

  153. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2015 4:03 pm

    That is some serious discrimination Ricky! Neil gets “you imbecilic pustular hemorrhoid on the ass off society.” I don’t even rate a serious insult.

    The Unionland move into organised crime and bikie enforcers is well documented. We have Setka’s warm relationship with union “fixer” Mick Gatto, the CFMEU/Comanchero alliance and MUA use of bikie muscle in return for MUA funding of the challenge to anti-bikie laws.

  154. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 4:42 pm

    is well documented

    Do you have any of that documentation?

    I recall putting up some youtubes of the witch hunt where they made the allegations, and were torn to pieces with reality.

  155. March 12, 2015 5:36 pm

    “”We need to stop passively accepting “truisms” that long ago ceased to be true, and we should start with the myth about the Coalition’s superior economic credentials, writes Tim Dunlop….””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2015 5:45 pm

    Some more Turnbull

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-brisbane-club-11-march-2015

    The immediate reason for the deterioration from the Budget position left behind by the Howard Government was not difficult to identify. If we compare Peter Costello’s final budget in 2007-08 to Wayne Swan’s final Budget in 2013-14, we see that over Labor’s six years in office:[9]

    ● Spending rose from $272 billion to $411 billion – an increase of $139 billion.

    ● Revenue rose from $295 billion to $363 billion – an increase of $68 billion.

    So under Labor, for every $1 in new revenue, the Government committed to $2 of new spending.

  157. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2015 7:17 pm

    Some more churnbull

    Malcolm Turnbull late yesterday used the Federal Budget announcements process to again erroneously claim that the Coalition’s technically inferior version of Labor’s National Broadband Network project would be $32 billion cheaper, despite the fact that the Communications Minister is aware this claim is not true.

    http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/14/turnbull-taints-budget-nbn-cost-lie/

    churnbulls good at cherry picking numbers but not real good with getting facts into the equation 😉

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 7:18 pm

    Always agreed with Tim Dunlop’s stand on politics …

    Will someone please shove a GFC down its throat!

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 7:20 pm

    TR, you know how I champion the NBN … well my suburb is now surrounded by it … yep surrounded … no good turn goes unpunished I suppose …

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2015 7:29 pm

    The NBN has got to be the biggest waste of money in Australian history. However the Coalition is stuck with it.

    Some more Turnbull

    “When the global financial crisis struck in 2008 the fact that we had no net Government debt gave Labor virtually unlimited flexibility to respond with stimulus spending. How will we be placed if there is another GFC-like episode but we have accumulated a mountain of public debt………………….But it is to Labor’s enduring shame that as custodians of the Budget during a period when almost three quarters of the resources boom revenue windfall flooded in, they turned a starting point of $45 billion of cash into $245 billion in net debt by the time they left office. In opposition, they then proceeded to block $25 billion of savings (including $5 billion they themselves originally proposed) while cynically and irresponsibly declining to offer a single alternative measure until the past week when they unveiled, perhaps predictably, a plan for higher taxes.”

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 8:27 pm

    TR, just been looking at HIDE.me … good reviews …

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2015 9:22 pm

    Tim Dunlop.

    Remember how he arranged a discussion with an IR academic (who had participated in some union sponsored research) ?

    Remember how he got all bothered and closed the discussion because it emerged that the research had some unpublished data that was favourable to AWAs?

    Remember how Tim deleted some of the comments about that data?

    Tim wasn’t exactly committed to free speech unless it was convenient.

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2015 9:36 pm

    …and by the way, unions control the ALP in a manner that external groups don’t control other political parties.

    Some union officials work full time on ALP political matters and factional organisation.

    Union delegates are the organised section at ALP conferences, policy forums and many pre selection committees.

    In other parties there are a range of dubious relationships and influences, many corrupt ones.

    The difference with the ALP is that bikie infested unions like the construction div of the CFMEU are a formal part of the ALP.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2015 10:03 pm

    Sounds very much like an unsophisticated (but the same) relationship the catlik church has with the LNP … oh and the sticky fingers extend into the ALP too …

    So we’re fucked going up and we’re fucked coming down …

    But then those of us unaffiliated with the major parties already knew that …

    Haven’t seen any nurses or teachers riding around in club colours …

    The CFMEU builds/gloats on the shite that people talk about them BOO! … and there are probably more arseholes in that union than any other … I’ve met a few …

    But …

    Imagine if the stock exchanges stopped operating tomorrow (not retrospectively of course) …

    What would happen?

    Would/could the governments of the West save us? Nah … we’ve seen that they can’t …

    Who would actually run the country … ?

    The unions? Nah …

    The micks? Nah …

    The BANKS! Yep … as they already do … have for centuries …

    The West is actually run for the banks … from each central bank (The RBA is NOT a government entity) down to the smallest … but in Oz (and elsewhere) primarily for the big banks …

    Governments are puppets … of the banking system … the most powerful of all The Robber Barons …

    … who now play with fiat money rather than real value … the world will collapse because of debt … nothing has changed since the GFC … nothing … only that the USA has printed more money … and diluted the value of everything in the world … as predicted …

    The CFMEU and the bikies pale into insignificance beside the BANKS …

  165. March 13, 2015 12:07 am

    ”””””””””’As Liberals and Nationals, sound economic management is in our DNA. We’ve done it before and we are doing it again.

    What’s remarkable about this is not that he said it, or even that he believes it, but that his assembled audience of media heavyweights didn’t burst out laughing.”””””””””””’

    #l find it quite funny when the edges of the embedded-media become `self-aware` to some extent, but don`t realize some of the public are miles in front of them, while the bulk of teabag-media are still miles behind them.

  166. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:31 am

    bikie infested unions

    lol yomm. You start off sounding like you might want to be making a valid point, but end with a Crescendo of gibbering bullshit.

    bikie infested unions ROFL you’ve been feeding at the murdoch trough haven’t ya?

  167. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:33 am

    well documented by murdoch I’ll bet 😉

    Basing you views in innuendo, newspapers or channel nine is “highly Unprofessional” 😆

  168. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:50 am

    I get the feeling that this is closer to the truth than most would like,

  169. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 8:11 am

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:16 am

    Here you see the Bandidos providing muscle for the MUA and, funnily enough the MUA helps fund the challenge to anti-bikie laws. Business as usual in Unionland.

    Also unsurprising to see the Setka/Gatto alliance in full effect:

    Last night Mr Setka’s ally, underworld figure Mick Gatto, appeared to threaten the company with retaliation in the future if chief executive, Daniel Grollo didn’t compromise.

    And then we have the CFMEU/Comancheros cartel:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/tattooed-comancheros-bikie-norm-meyer-revealed-as-key-player-in-cfmeu-standover-tactics/story-fni0fee2-1227010638132

    And obviously the rights of union members linked to bikie gangs is a big issue in Unionland:

    The Queensland Council of Unions is also considering it’s own action against the laws, saying they infringe on the work rights of members linked to bikie gangs.

    But this is all probably just a figment of my imagination. Or it is so unremarkable in Unionland that blind-monkey ALP arselickers see nothing to worry about at all.

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:29 am

    And Dougie Cameron is the perfect example of the rottenness of Unionland. He is a union Don who has clawed his way to the Senate. His appearance at ICAC was instructive. He and Sleazy Albanese were warned by Foley that McDonald was shady and ought not be pre-selected. Cameron said the unions wanted McDonald pre-selected. Albanese said it was just realpolitik. That’s how things go down in Unionland.

    Cameron said he was shocked, shocked that McDonald was corrupt. Even though his daughter worked in McDonald’s office for 10 years immediately prior to McDonald’s corruption becoming public. Nepotism and corruption go hand in hand in Unionland.

    Isn’t it funny how Boss Ludwig’s idiot son got to be an ALP Senator and the minister who destroyed Australia’s live cattle trade? Isn’t it funny that the biggest corrupt deal of all, Obeid’s $100m rip-off of the people of NSW, is just another Unionland deal?

    And why do the pedophile politicians seem to always emerge from the Unionland sewer. And if a staffer dobs in the pedophile she is persecuted for being a Unionland rat. Someone having the decency to expose a pedophile is obviously a hated and lonely figure in Unionland.

    There is corruption aplenty in Australian politics and Unionland has more than its fair share.

  172. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:29 am

    providing muscle for the MUA

    Wow, or Union members enacting their right?

    MUA helps fund the challenge to anti-bikie laws

    Or protecting Australian citizens freedom of association.

    appeared to threaten

    Yes, lots of “appearances” 😉

    CFMEU/Comancheros cartel:

    ROFL, from the story

    Now there are calls for a royal commission

    well, the above snippets from that royal witch hunt showed just how “unprofessional” getting your gossip from newspapers is. Maybe the cops should do their own investigating instead of relying on biased reporters feeding them junkets.

    But this is all probably just a figment of my imagination

    I’d say more a figment of somebody elses that you have taken as gospel. As Doug Cameron said, “Basing you views in innuendo, newspapers or channel nine is “highly Unprofessional””

    I’d follow his advice were I you sb 😉

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:33 am

    The funniest thing of all is that there are a number of people here like Tom R and Bed Pann who (rightly) hammer Neil for being a one-eyed Liberal supporter but seem to be equally one-eyed when it comes to Unionland corruption. Cut from the same cloth, I’d say.

  174. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:36 am

    His appearance at ICAC was instructive

    You mean, by asking those making the same kind of allegations you linked to to show their non existent evidence?

    Nasty Bully isn’t he ROFL

  175. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:43 am

    when it comes to Unionland corruption

    So, even AFTER the royal witch hunt, that exposed …………… well, nothing, you still run hte line ROFL

    Come on, where’s your documentation. Not assertions from hateful little journos. REAL documentation.

    You have none, do you. The witch hunt proved it. Empty rhetoric, it’s all your left with, and hateful little stories from journalists who have been exposed as cranks.

    It’s all there in those witch hunt pieces. Police, relying on reporters, relying on …………. Innuendo

    A stitch up that came unstuck. ROFL

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:44 am

    Don’t go full drongo-troll on me, Tom R. It reminds me of how you grovelingly pleaded Craig Thomson’s case to the bitter end.

  177. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:48 am

    who destroyed Australia’s live cattle trade?

    This live cattle trade?

    In 2012 live animal exports were valued at A$891.7 million with the 540,209 beef cattle exported contributing A$428.8 million. The trade, which underpins the domestic market price of livestock employs around 13,000 people across rural and regional Australia and contributes $1.8 billion to the economy.

    http://www.cattlecouncil.com.au/live-exports

    😯

  178. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:49 am

    Don’t go full drongo-troll on me

    Sorry from bringing facts into the debate. My bad ROFL

  179. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:50 am

    Speaking of nIls, here’s a doco churnbull might be interested in

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:58 am

    “Or protecting Australian citizens freedom of association.

    That must go down as the most entertaining comment for quite some time. Unions like the MUA & CFMEU (Const Div) hate freedom of association. The collective mentality says that the collective will decide that everyone is in the union.

    In those unions there is no way individuals decide their associations.

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 9:58 am

    You can see the impact in the graph accompanying this article, Tom R.

    The fact is that the kneejerk decision taken by Boss Ludwig’s idiot son badly hurt the live cattle business and damaged relations with Indonesia.

  182. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:00 am

    That must go down as the most entertaining comment for quite some time.

    I’m still voting for “bikie infested unions”

    You should have gone though with “DEAD HAND of bikie infested unions” 😉

  183. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:01 am

    You can see the impact in the graph accompanying this article, Tom R.

    I think you forgot the article.

    I’m off to a meeting for a while, so make up stories amongst yourself for now 😉

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:02 am

    “So, even AFTER the royal witch hunt, that exposed …………… well, nothing”

    Is that what the final report of the RC said? Oh wait, the final report hasn’t been handed down yet. You’re just trolling again.

    And note the Unionland stooges in the Senate have rejected legislation that would put the same sort of obligations on Unionland officials as apply to company directors. Can’t have that in Unionland, can we?

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:04 am

    Link for Tom R.

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:40 am

    who (rightly) hammer Neil for being a one-eyed Liberal supporter

    I am anti-labor. There is almost nothing an ALP supporter says i agree with.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:42 am

    This Federal Government are nothing but a bunch of incompetent meddlers … their meddling in the Indonesian judicial system has damaged our relationship well past the fkn stupid magic 2055 costing the next generations far more than $$$$ …

    All over a couple of drug smugglers … the Aussie consulate in PNG wasn’t particularly interested in the fate of two sixteen year old girls who were kidnapped and raped with a sixteen year boy held at gunpoint by ten raskals in PNG …

    Hypocrites all … values nil …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/bali-nine-executions-not-up-for-negotiation-as-julie-bishop-tries-to-cut-deal/story-fncynjr2-1227260801524

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:58 am

    “This Federal Government are nothing but a bunch of incompetent meddlers … their meddling in the Indonesian judicial system has damaged our relationship well past the fkn stupid magic 2055 costing the next generations far more than $$$$ …

    What a lot of crap TB. Indonesia doesn’t really value the relationship with Australia, the country is deeply corrupt and we have little in the way of trade relations.

    When an Indonesian Government minister threatens to unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers at Australia because they’re tired of listening to rational pleas that they don’t kill some people, you know it’s corrupt.

    Apparently they’re now admitting that they control the movement of asylum seekers, and will use them for political opportunity.

    As you may know I go to Bali and (usually) Java a couple of times a year, and enjoy the holiday and surf, but I’m seriously questioning whether there is any real point in maintaining all the funding for nation building we provide.

  189. March 13, 2015 11:03 am

    “”full drongo-troll””

    LOL… 🙂

  190. March 13, 2015 11:18 am

    “Billionaires Australia”

    The WCP’s magazine of choice.

  191. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:19 am

    “… their meddling in the Indonesian judicial system has damaged our relationship well past the fkn stupid magic 2055 costing the next generations far more than $$$$ … ”

    Australia has done no more meddling than Indonesia does to rescue its own citizens from execution in chiefly Middle Eastern countries.

    For them to even complain about our “meddling” is totally hypocritical.

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:24 am

    What a lot of crap TB. Indonesia doesn’t really value the relationship with Australia, the country is deeply corrupt and we have little in the way of trade relations.

    And The Mad Abbott Rabble isn’t improving things … as a pantswetter you should be familiar with the fact that Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world 200,000,000 if memory serves … and why should Indonesia “value” our relationship the way we treat them … savages, according to Wally The Willie Wanker …

    When an Indonesian Government minister threatens to unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers at Australia because they’re tired of listening to rational pleas that they don’t kill some people, you know it’s corrupt.

    The Mad Abbott threatened the Indonesian government in the first place re tsunami aid … you’d be pissed off at that … and it does prove that Abbott and Morisscum didn’t stop the boats … the Indonesians did!

    And they are not “some people” … they are drug smugglers who used seven other people to mule the shit into the country so that they wouldn’t get caught … and even on death row they won’t give up name of their “boss” …

    Apparently they’re now admitting that they control the movement of asylum seekers, and will use them for political opportunity.

    Now you’re becoming repetitive …

    As you may know I go to Bali and (usually) Java a couple of times a year, and enjoy the holiday and surf, but I’m seriously questioning whether there is any real point in maintaining all the funding for nation building we provide.

    You don’t maintain the funding with your trips to Bali …

    … the best way to build a nation is to respect their laws and culture … some Australians it seems … think they are above that …

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:25 am

    “Billionaires Australia”

    Wannabes …

    How do you make a small fortune? Start with a big one …

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:27 am

    And I thought Australia had a policy of not negotiating with “terrorists” … it seem that we can attempt to “negotiate” for them though …

  195. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:29 am

    “……..according to Wally The Willie Wanker … ”

    Ha……………TB’s in a bad mood. Obviously I hit a sore point as to your choice of words the other day which you spent hours denying.

    Most normal people would admit the error and just rephrase the error like I did when I used “Taxpayer” when I should have used “Treasury”

    But not you being the arrogant prat you are

    Did your bag break ?

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:35 am

    Abbott has been completely inept on this issue. Nothing’s changed. Unfortunately for us he has a station well above his ideas.

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:36 am

    The Mad Abbott gaffes again … now its the Irish

    The video, supplied to the Irish Australian Chamber of Commerce, will not be played at either of the events it was intended for.

    Mr Abbott ended the clip apologising he “can’t be there to share a Guinness or two, or maybe even three”.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/tony-abbotts-patronising-st-patricks-day-message/story-fnkgbb6w-1227261065101

    If the LNP don’t get rid of this wanker they are going down bigger than the ALP did last time … I’m hoping they don’t … so then we can see the unions take control of the power stations and the bikies run the ADF …

  198. March 13, 2015 11:48 am

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:53 am

    “who (rightly) hammer Neil for being a one-eyed Liberal supporter”

    Under Labor local car manufacturing went from 25% of the local market to 10%.

    Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% in no time flat.

    Govt debt went from zero to 10% of GDP in no time flat with one the the fastest rates of increase in the Western world.

    And yes i know about the GFC. All the GFC did was accelerate what always happens under Labor.

    ALP policies do not work

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 11:59 am

    Abbott’s a fool. I’m married to one of those Irish bog-trotter types. They take offense easily.

    Funnily enough, the News website that reported the Abbott story forgot to link to their own collection of Irish jokes. Anyway, these are funnier:

    Paddy and Mick, walking down the street see a dog lying in the sun licking its balls. Paddy – “Ah Mick, I wish I could do that!” Mick – “I’d be careful Paddy. He looks a wee bit fierce.”

    “A Scotsman, an Englishman, and an Irishman are in town for a convention.

    They’re having a few drinks at the hotel bar when the Scotsman says, I really like my pub back home. Ya know, I go in there, pay for two drinks and get my third one free, every time.

    The Englishman says, well, that’s not bad, but I love my pub back home. Did you know that every night I go there, I get every other drink for free? It’s the best pub in the world.

    Not to be outdone, the Irishman says, well that sounds ok, but wait till I tell you about this pub we have back home. Any night, you can go in there and drink for free all night long. And then, if you want, you can go upstairs and get laid! As many times as you want! I’m telling ya, it’s the best pub in the world.

    The Englishman then says, Wait a minute, are you telling us this happens to you every time you go to this pub?

    The Irishman says, Well, not to me, but…my sister…..”

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:00 pm

    Thank you for reinforcing my point, Neil.

  202. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:05 pm

    Is that what the final report of the RC said?

    Who gives a fuck what the final report will say. Like every other report from this grubmint, it will be heavy with loaded language, more innuendo, and wishes for further examination, because his has exposed nothing.

    The clips above show accusations and innuendos that were aired by papers, accepted by cops, and trolled by pollies to be nothing more than fantasies.

    Are Unions completely free of corruption. No. Who exposes that? Union members do.

    Witch hunts trying to create links where none exist should be exposed for the sham they are. And yet people like yomm and yourself continue to repeat the assertions and then cry about others being “one-eyed”

    I’m a self proclaimed Labor supporter (not member). But I’m also happy to admit when they are wrong when faced with any facts that lend that. You just regurgitate dis-proven coalition talking points. That looks far more “one-eyed” to me.

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:10 pm

    “Who gives a fuck what the final report will say.”

    Obviously not you. It seems you have already made up your mind.

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:14 pm

    “Are Unions completely free of corruption. No. Who exposes that? Union members do.”

    Seems to me there are a lot of shonky practices in Unionland. Why not ensure senior union officials owe members fiduciary duties in the same way that company directors owe shareholders fiduciary duties?

  205. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:16 pm

    It seems you have already made up your mind.

    We have seen from all the other witch unts that the minds are made up before the witch hunts begin. Yes, I will disregard it, because of their history.

    What I will do is note the testimony of those there under oath, testimonies that differ widely from the allegations they make in other places.

    If you have any “documentation”, feel free. It is all I asked. The “documentation” you provided has already been exposed as worthless, but feel free to try other sauces 😉

  206. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:21 pm

    “Are Unions completely free of corruption. No. Who exposes that? Union members do. ”

    What absolute garbage !

    Fairfax Media might have something to say to you about Craig Thomson and Michael Williamson et al

  207. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    Where did Fairfax get their info from wally?

  208. March 13, 2015 12:39 pm

    Hey TomR nice king hit on Splatter mate….. I think that’s game set and match..thank you ball boys…
    I notice the return serve is quotes from the paper and playing the man… Screams volumes..

    Oh and splatter you may want to check my consistent comments and stand on union corruption (or any corruption for that matter) as opposed to show trial witch hunts by the fiberal corruptor kings to proliferate social engineering agendas for political advantage and bylines in the Murdoch press.

    The NBN has got to be the biggest waste of money in Australian history. However the Coalition is stuck with it.

    Possibly the most insular stupidity I have ever read in a blog.

    A glaring testament to the mindset of obstinate. political partisan buffoonery that prevails in politicking such an important project that would not have happened under Fiberal…

    It is obvious this ass clown is like all the other sheeple quoting the dumbed down near sighted inept rants of the Luddite liberals whos idea of technology policy is to collect the metadata of its citizens to spy on them as totalitarian sycophants of corporatocracies .

    No understanding whatsoever as to the importance of convergent service infrastructure essential for decentralised regionalisation of population and industry that is facing Australia’s competitive future.

    Yet in the same sentence they say they are helping the Bush whilst putting up CSG wells and coal mines on prime agricultural land..letting overseas supermarket oligopolies buy the town services stealthing local traders out of business…..astonishing hypocrisy.

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:44 pm

    Why not ensure senior union officials owe members fiduciary duties in the same way that company directors owe shareholders fiduciary duties?

    😯

  210. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:44 pm

    quotes from the paper

    They are Legion 😉

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:46 pm

    TR, did you check out hide.me?

  212. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:49 pm

    “Thank you for reinforcing my point, Neil.”

    Well if you want a bad set of economic numbers vote Shorten.

    Did any of the three Labor govts since 1972 leave the economy in better shape than when they left?

  213. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:50 pm

    “Where did Fairfax get their info from wally?”

    The HSU’s auditor………………chalk one up for the Chartered Accountants LOL

    “Ms Jackson’s letter says the union’s auditor wrote to the national executive last May saying he had become aware of the existence of this card and that there appeared to be no documentary evidence to support the cash advances.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-mp-accused-of-credit-card-rort-20090407-9zl7.html

  214. March 13, 2015 12:53 pm

    Not me my Sister…ROLF 🙂

    Hey Wally have you ever been a member of a Union?…
    hazarding a big fat walrus sized “No” here 🙂

    Most whistle-blowers come from within.. however your fiberal mates are going to sort that out to make it illegal along with making Journalists reveal their sources..
    Stalin would be proud of this lot…

    Nils is always on about the Labor party being totalitarian..whilst the fiberals are social enineering an Orwellian neocon totalitarian utopia

  215. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:58 pm

    TR, did you check out hide.me?

    I did thanks TB. I’ll have to look into it, seeing as they have a free version.

    Not that I have anything to hide, but, it is good to keep up on htese things and I can play with it for a bit.

    Cheers

    The HSU’s auditor

    It was kathy jackson who was “whistle blowing” wally

    Interesting that none of the allegations in the article got Thomson, it was for a misuse(?) of around $3,000 on a credit card over a three year period. Less than yabot falsely claimed to push his novella in one outing. Ludicrous.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 12:58 pm

    The HSU’s auditor………………chalk one up for the Chartered Accountants LOL

    So some of the CPAs* can read!

    That report is retrospective anyway ….

    Hey Wally have you ever been a member of a Union?…
    hazarding a big fat walrus sized “No” here
    🙂

    WTF do you think the CPA is, RP?

  217. March 13, 2015 1:13 pm

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:17 pm

    And you can see from the reaction of certain persons here that Kathy Jackson is about as popular as Gillian Sneddon was with the ALP after she blew the whistle on Orkopolous. Jackson may be flawed but at least she outed Thomson and ALP ex-President Williamson. The most hated people in Unionland are the ones that dob in the crooks.

  219. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:20 pm

    “”Hey Wally have you ever been a member of a Union?…””

    Yep…………..this one.

    http://www.charteredaccountants.com.au

    And its membership fee is not cheap

  220. March 13, 2015 1:22 pm

    WTF do you think the CPA is, RP?

    A right wing knitting circle for aspirant tax evading white colar criminals

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:27 pm

    Tom R, I’ve provided you with links to stories which support my initial claims (CFMEU/Comancheros, Setka/Gatto, MUA/Bandidos). And all you can do is yabber on without actually addressing the specifics. And when it comes to the Royal Commission, all you’ve got is your own blind prejudice: “Yes, I will disregard it.” Spoken like a true troll.

    This quote accurately sums up the weaknesses of partisans like you and Neil:

    I never before fully appreciated the degree to which some on the left can be just as closed-minded and vindictive as their counterparts on the right. … I think we’re suffering miserably right now from becoming entrenched in our various orthodoxies, whether secular or religious. We need a renaissance of open-mindedness and free thinking.

    It comes from a leftist partisan who finally came to understand the virtue of open-mindedness. Try it some time.

  222. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:29 pm

    “”Interesting that none of the allegations in the article got Thomson, it was for a misuse(?) of around $3,000 on a credit card over a three year period.””

    He would have been caught earlier if the Union was subjected to the same rules as Corporates. But the ALP voted that down

    “”It was kathy jackson who was “whistle blowing” wally””

    It would have been the auditor asking the difficult questions first, like what is the purpose of all these transaction. Auditors form opinions pretty damn quickly if you cant back things up/substantiate them.

    Then they would have reported it to Jackson or someone else in the governing food chain

    They are not fooled easily as their public practice licence depends upon it as do their insurance premiums.

    They always zoom in on credit cards.

    Thomson was just such fucking dope he thought he would not get caught.

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:31 pm

    A right wing knitting circle for aspirant tax evading white colar criminals

    Pretty close … “yesterday I couldn’t spell tax accountant … today I are one!” 🙂

  224. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:48 pm

    stories which support my initial claims

    The emphasis there is on “stories”. And I did specifically address “stories” in papers.

    He would have been caught earlier if the Union was subjected to the same rules as Corporates

    So, if the rules were different, he would have broken them ROFL

    As it was, he got done for a $3,000 infraction that nobody was aware of. What a fucken crook. Al Capone eat ya heart out.

    It would have been the auditor asking the difficult questions first

    Why were they being audited?

  225. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 1:54 pm

    “yesterday I couldn’t spell tax accountant … today I are too!”

    Fixed it fer ya TB

    They always seem to round things up 🙂

  226. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:05 pm

    “you may want to check my consistent comments and stand on union corruption (or any corruption for that matter) as opposed to show trial witch hunts by the fiberal corruptor kings to proliferate social engineering agendas for political advantage and bylines in the Murdoch press.”

    Ricky, you would have noticed that the Setka/Gatto link was from the AFR. In any event I’m more interested in the content rather than in shooting the messenger. Kathy Jackson looks like she has a few questions to answer herself, but that didn’t mean she was wrong on Thomson. She did the country a great service which is precisely why she is reviled in Unionland.

  227. Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:08 pm

    “”Why were they being audited?””

    Not playing that silly game of yours.
    .

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:08 pm

    Tom R and his mates – in defence of Craig Thompson –
    • He’s innocent
    • There’s no proof
    • He reached a confidential settlement with Fairfax
    • It’s all just media speculation
    • That’s not his signature
    • He has a nice wife
    • Think of the baby
    • Wait until he makes his comprehensive statement
    • Wait until FWA has completed the investigation
    • Look over there at that bitch/slut/traitor Kathy Jackson
    • The FWA investigator shares an office with Kathy Jackson’s lover
    • He hasn’t been charged by the police
    • Wait until he has his day in court
    • Wait until he appeals
    • Spending your employer’s money on prostitutes is one of the perks of being a union official
    • It’s really not that serious, who hasn’t pinched money from their employer?

  229. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:23 pm

    Not playing that silly game of yours.

    Of course not. It’s like the witch hunt, nobody likes where the answers lead 😉

    wow yomm, how many of you dot points checked out? ROFL

    I did note that you slurred him again by claiming he spent money on prostitutes. Shame on you,

    A $20,000 fine all because some judge deemed that, although he could use the credit card on absolutely anything (which he did spend tens of thousands, but all legally), it was for a mere $3,000 in cash withdrawals.

    As far as big time crooks go, that’s a pretty poor effort.

  230. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:43 pm

    That’s gotta hurt

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:43 pm

    As far as big time crooks go, that’s a pretty poor effort.

    But still a crook …

    Tahnks for the “correction” above … had to be rounded UP is suppose … if it had been retrospective it would read …

    “yesterday I couldn’t spell tax accountant … today I are none!”

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:51 pm

    although he could use the credit card on absolutely anything

    Exactly, so we should be really pleased that he used the money to support the good old Aussie service and hospitality industry,

    I mean it’s only right that a union leader who runs a union with a significant (majority?) female membership would spend their union expense account on a service sector (prostitution) that is also mainly female.

    Craig should be applauded for advancing the employment of women n a growing industry, rather than condemned!!

    And good for you for sticking by him – because he’s done nothing wrong!!

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 2:52 pm

    By the way, I think I could source a related comment for each of the dot points from “Tom R’s mates”

  234. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:05 pm

    I think I could source a related comment for each of the dot points from

    Feel free.

    And, I see you continue to make the slur about the prostitutes.

    Nice.

    because he’s done nothing wrong!!

    Is that what you are saying? 😉

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:08 pm

    So he didn’t spend any union cash or expense account on prostitutes?

    Though I suppose saying some prostitutes had Craig as a client is a slur on the profession .

  236. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:09 pm

    “Heffernan called my staff member last night and said if Barnaby had made a mistake in correcting Hansard then a lot of my Labor mates have made that same mistake too and he now had the evidence to prove it,” Fitzgibbon told Guardian Australia.

    “By any reasonable interpretation, the phone call was an attempt to intimidate me and have me back off this issue by suggesting people on my side of politics would be drawn into it if I continue to pursue it … he’s a Liberal fix-it man and he was telling me to back off. The Coalition seems very keen to make this issue go away.”

    Heffernan says Fitzgibbon’s interpretation of the phone call is nonsense.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/13/labor-accuses-bill-heffernan-of-intimidation-over-barnaby-joyce-saga

    I think it’s popcorn time 🙂

  237. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:10 pm

    So he didn’t spend any union cash or expense account on prostitutes?

    That is his claim, and his claims have all turned out to have been validated. The ones that have been tested.

  238. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:12 pm

    hmm, although “resigned” appears to equate to “terminated”

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:32 pm

    I think it’s popcorn time

    Wouldn’t call him a fix-it man … more a toe-cutter!

    Joel’s “girl” … (from the links) … typical tory arrogance …

    Don’t know what all the fuss is about we all know Joyce is fool …

    How come there are so many incompetent voters out there?

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:33 pm

    ” That is his claim,

    Hmm…

    • So we can’t be critical of Abbott for lies, because he denies lying, and he’s not been prosecuted for dishonesty
    • Rudd denied deliberately and persistently leaking to the media about Gillard. I think we should give Rudd the benefit of the doubt!
    • Hockey says his budget is good for the country, and there is no court proceedings that he’s guilty of to prove this wrong
    • Pyne obviously thinks students should have higher HECs debt, and he’s never been convicted

  241. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:54 pm

    Don’t know what all the fuss is about

    Because, if proven, it’s a sackable offense.

    because he denies lying

    Except he has been proven to be lying. You see the difference 😉

    yomm, you have lost the plot. But keep typing, it’s beer o clock, and the light entertainment helps the beer go down. 😉

  242. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 3:58 pm

    memo to Public Servants.

    TOE THE LINE

    THE head of the Federal Department of Agriculture has been sacked amid a falling out with Barnaby Joyce.

    http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/politics/department-of-agriculture-boss-terminated-amid-falling-out-with-barnaby-joyce/story-fnkerdda-1227261477374

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 4:05 pm

    Just to ensure I understand…

    although he could use the credit card on absolutely anything

    So what’s the fuss about. I could put in some expenses for prostitutes too. I’m not sure anyone has expressly said I can’t.

    It isn’t in any of my contracts, so how could anyone think it’s the wrong thing to do?

  244. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 4:14 pm

    So what’s the fuss about.

    er, you continuing to slur him with allegations he DID use it on prostitutes.

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 4:22 pm

    So he didn’t?

    So they really were fake accounts. Someone really was trying to frame him years and years before he got into parliament?

    His “comprehensive statement” is true? His not contesting the evidence means that he just wanted to run dead?

    Someone really did take his credit card, use it on prostitutes, forge his signature, and put the card back in his wallet!

    I suppose FWA Investigator Nassios really did “share an office” with Michael Lawler too

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 4:48 pm

    So who gets special treatment … the coal industry … anything successful is ideologically destroyed …

    PRIME Minister Tony Abbott believes his government is “inching closer” to a deal on the renewable energy target.

    Yeah? But when WILL you make a decision (one you won’t backflip on?)

    THE clean energy industry has been staring down the barrel of job cuts and failed businesses since the government announced plans to slash the target.

    Labor and the government have reopened talks over the previously bipartisan target, after negotiations fell over last year, but have so far been unable to agree on a figure.

    After a bipartisan target … there is no such thing with this lying, deceitful, cheating bunch of pricks … (apologies to JJ & S)

    Couldn’t find a fk in a brothel!

    The RET mandates 20 per cent of Australia’s power come from renewables by 2020. Changes in electricity usage mean the mandated target of 41,000 gigawatt hours is expected to overshoot by 20 per cent.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/ret-deal-inching-closer-pm/story-e6frfku9-1227261544550

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 4:55 pm

    ToM: “So he didn’t spend any union cash or expense account on prostitutes?”

    Troll R: “That is his claim, and his claims have all turned out to have been validated.”

    But it seems he did spend union money on prostitutes and this is not in any sense validation:

    A barrister representing Craig Thomson has told a judge the former federal MP lied about using union money to pay for sex because he was “under attack for moral turpitude” at the time.

    Neither does this validate his claim:

    Judge Carolyn Douglas found Thomson guilty of 13 counts of theft, related to the withdrawals of cash from ATMs when he used Health Services Union credit cards for personal use, including paying for sex.

    In fact:

    Judge Douglas said Thomson had “clearly deceived his employer” but said the prosecution case was put in error.

    And:

    Judge Douglas said it was clear Thomson deceived the HSU and described his breach of trust as “huge”.

    When summarising her reasons on the individual guilty charges, she said it was also evident he did not have authority to spend the union’s funds on items such as escorts.

    She said clearing Thomson of so many charges should not be seen “in any way” as an endorsement of his actions.

    Validated my arse.

    Or perhaps, Tom R you are related to Thomson:

    Judge Douglas said she accepted Craig Thomson had the ongoing support of well meaning family and friends, but in her opinion, they had a misconceived view of his honesty.

    That might explain it.

  248. March 13, 2015 4:56 pm

    Jackson is complicit by association and ajenda.. Grubby affair all round actually. Typically the fiberals are claiming moral high ground as defender’s of the richous whilst wielding the character assassin political sword

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 5:08 pm

    The RET should be abolished forthwith. It is the means by which the government forces higher electricity prices on consumers for the benefit of bankers and shonky businesses.

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 5:14 pm

    “Jackson is complicit by association and ajenda.. “

    Funny how Thomson was defended up until his conviction (and even after in the case of true rusted-ons like Tom R) yet for Jackson it is open slather long before she ever gets to court.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 5:14 pm

    That’s a short retort, sb …

    Others hate it too … ‘specially power companies – give ’em coal any day, hey!

    Origin Energy and Zen Energy Systems are to build a 3MW solar system on the rooftop of the old Mitsubishi factory in Tonsley, Adelaide, in what will be the largest rooftop solar array in the country.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/origin-energy-build-australias-biggest-rooftop-solar-array-78459

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2015 5:28 pm

    When we have better and cheaper technologies than coal then they will take over. Until then why screw people to make them pay overs for experimental technology?

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:07 pm

    Until then why screw people to make them pay overs for experimental technology?

    You got links fer that?

    I haven’t … just this one … I might remind you that Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse that other countries use as their benchmark … (I can provide links to that too) …

    http://www.sciencealert.com/germany-can-now-produce-half-its-energy-from-solar

    Did you know that I was born in the land of the Luddites … I actually lived in Marsden … so I was brought up with the understanding the pitfalls of ignoring/fighting advanced technology …

    What will we do when power is absolutely free and all the jobs are carried out by robots?

    Live …

    Enjoy … 🙂

  254. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:36 pm

    But it seems he did spend union money on prostitutes and this is not in any sense validation:

    “Seems” is the word you want to be careful of there. I will repeat again.

    Basing you views in innuendo, newspapers or channel nine is “highly Unprofessional”

    The quotation marks are because I am quoting News Ltd, not because News Ltd are quoting Greg James QC. In fact James said no such thing at all.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/the-waiting-craig-thomsons-appeal-all-over-bar-the-waiting/

    Judge Carolyn Douglas found Thomson guilty of 13 counts of theft, related to the withdrawals of cash from ATMs when he used Health Services Union credit cards for personal use, including paying for sex.

    That last bit has been interspersed by a journo, so has no relation to facts. It is a very misleading statement and based on an allegation, refuted by Thomson, and never proven in court.

    When summarising her reasons on the individual guilty charges, she said it was also evident he did not have authority to spend the union’s funds on items such as escorts.

    But she never said he did spend it on escorts, just that in her opinion he wouldn’t have the authority to. And, never charged him for anything in relation to that.

    Nice collection of unattributed comments that all lead people into thinking one thing without any proven fact to support it. Keep on slurring 😉

  255. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:38 pm

    When we have better and cheaper technologies than coal

    we already have better technologies than coal that don’t warm the planet, and they will be cheaper very soon. Just wait until the battery storage for Solar comes down a bit more in a couple of years. Wholesale abandonment of the Grid 😉

    Serves ’em fucken right too

    I just pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay.

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 7:58 pm

    I just pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay.

    They can borrow, amortise the cost and then have free from the sun – power …

    Its called “good debt” … and advancement … terms this present government and their supporters from the 1950’s would have to study … methinks … TR

  257. public toilet permalink
    March 13, 2015 8:04 pm

    I’ll be wholesale abandoning the grid as soon as that happens.

    Being connected to utility networks, as they currently are, is just enabling never-ending gouging.
    Even reducing actual household consumption doesn’t insulate from price rises because they jack up the unavoidable supply costs.

    Fuck being kept over a barrel like that.

  258. March 13, 2015 8:16 pm

    Fuck the grid. We burn wood in our cave.

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 8:21 pm

    Fuck the grid. We burn wood in our cave.

    I bet you mix egg yolk with the paint pigments to preserve them too, ToSY

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2015 8:27 pm

    Keep on slurring

    Particularly that bitch Kathy Jackson.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2015 8:31 pm

    So many people are suddenly realising that solar power actually means – POWER to the people!

    All we need now is a breakthrough in energy storage and the world changes again to – not the nuclear age, as predicted – but the Solar Age … and it looks like Fission Age will be my g/children’s legacy, I hope … 2055 what fkn nonsense is that!

  262. public toilet permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:36 pm

    My solar is fkn great.

  263. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:44 pm

    My solar is fkn great.

    Mind you, it’s gone a bit off the boil the last coupla hours 😉

  264. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2015 10:55 pm

    All we need now is a breakthrough in energy storage

    A Hot Rock (stone)? BreakThru?

    http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/breakthrough-grid-scale-renewable-energy-storage-battery-made-gravel.html

    😯

  265. Walrus permalink
    March 14, 2015 12:04 am

    “I just pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay”

    You ignorant arsehole

    Have you ever been to Asia ?

    Fuck you arseholes have no fucking idea !

    You are such fucking idiots !

  266. March 14, 2015 1:16 am

    Hows struggle street goin Walrus do you own a few tax deductible slums there?

    Go and sharpen you pencil and stick it up you tax evading fat cat ass you clueless North shore tosser…

    Newsflash jerk off.. try feeding a family on sub 50k in any capital city little own servicing a loan..

    Asia? what are you the king of irrelevance.. ? I have a clear idea that you are a clueless fucjktard living in a utopian tax haven with your merlot swilling elitist wannabe nouveau rich acquaintances.

  267. March 14, 2015 2:11 am

    What a complete fuckwit… somebody call the IRA FFS

  268. March 14, 2015 2:16 am

    When we have better and cheaper technologies than coal then they will take over. Until then why screw people to make them pay overs for experimental technology?

    What are you living under a rock in 1972?
    Base load Solar, wind and hydro are and have been available for the last 10 years…
    get with the program FFS

  269. March 14, 2015 7:32 am

    tr””””Wholesale abandonment of the Grid””””’

    #nice to see some fcukers around here ccatching up 🙂 even from the canoe-building state, tho l have noticed the chief canoe-builder is blathering on about nukies lately, smells like an excuse for a `nuke-dump` to me

  270. March 14, 2015 7:42 am

    dunny””””I’ll be wholesale abandoning the grid as soon as that happens.””””#ditto

    dunny””””’Being connected to utility networks, as they currently are, is just enabling never-ending gouging.

    Even reducing actual household consumption doesn’t insulate from price rises because they jack up the unavoidable supply costs.

    Fuck being kept over a barrel like that.”””””

    #yeah agree. Just as a heads-up, some of the `buy-back` prices have been cut savagely recently. Unfortunately l missed the part that said `where/who` was cutting the price, but it had to do with the `utility` having the `right` to alter/change the price they paid `solar-households` for their feed-back energy, and had also increased (or invented new) fees, so that `solar-households` would be no better-off and back to paying the utility.

    +

    tr”””pity the poor people who cannot afford the initial outlay”””

    #thanks, agree. lt aint as easy for us as teebz implies.

  271. March 14, 2015 8:50 am

    so, my #abc24 just reported that canoe-state tree-huggers are burring-up over the `nukie` ideas coming from their premier-canoe-builder. He has launched a `royal-commission` into `nukie` opportunities is the spin. On the up-side, reb will probably approve of the dude heading-up wetheralls royal-commission, apparently, he is a `rear` admiral. #fun.with.nukie.dumps

  272. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2015 9:44 am

    Asia? what are you the king of irrelevance.. ? I have a clear idea that you are a clueless fucjktard living in a utopian tax haven with your merlot swilling elitist wannabe nouveau rich acquaintances.

    Looks like wallee forgot their Chillax pills didn’t they. You certainly do have a way with an expression Ricky, I’ll give that to you lol

    If I might be so bold.

    What in the hell does Asia have to do with people over here not being able to afford to be able to get off the Grid?

  273. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2015 9:51 am

    Really lorrie, who gives a flying fuck what you or your sheltered workshop fucking think

    Those CEOs should make it clear they are just as angry about this as they were about Stephen Conroy’s attempt to impinge on press freedom through media regulation under the previous Labor government.

    Memories of the grief Conroy brought down on his head would undoubtedly make Abbott sit up and take notice.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/angry-media-wont-buckle-over-new-surveillance-laws/story-fni0fha6-1227261886014

    A) These rules have no equation whatsoever with Conroy media regulations that simply attempted to apply the same rules television broadcast has to print. Accountability! The only similarity is that you churnalists got all antsy.

    B) I’d be more convinced if you cared about the same intrusion on everybody, not just churnalists. You didn’t give a flying fuck when it was joe citizen, but once you (finally) clicked that it will impact joe churnalist, all of a sudden you leap into action.

    FUCK YOU lorrie, you sanctimonious mountain of selfishness! If you had applied a smidgen of journalistic integrity over th past several years instead of being spellbound by “colour and movement”, we quite possibly wouldn’t be in this fucken position to begin with.

    Fuck of to yor irrelvant recluse and don’t bother us with your self absorbed drivel

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2015 10:34 am

    I’m a reluctant to comment, so I’ll only ask a question about –

    little own

    Is Ricky really scaper???

  275. March 14, 2015 10:51 am

    sweet-laurie”””””””The Press Council is concerned the laws would crush investigative journalism.””””””””

    #teh `press-council` is too late Laurie.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2015 10:54 am

    So what’s the fuss about. I could put in some expenses for prostitutes too. I’m not sure anyone has expressly said I can’t.

    Unless they make up retrospective rules … Wally The Willie Wanker is an expert on the subject … apparently …

    Speaking of who …

    Have you ever been to Asia ?

    Yep … what a great industry to get the economies going … and powered …

    (BTW “asia” meaning?)

    What in the hell does Asia have to do with people over here not being able to afford to be able to get off the Grid?

    Mmmm … I thought that too … but knowing Wally he flips the page to suit his current mindset to reflect the negativity inspired brain farts …

    People who support coal as a power source are either not well informed, have shares in the coal industry, only interested in making profits … or to simply control society …

    Renewable energy is a simple, “relatively” cheap and effective way to empower (‘scuse the pun) people …

    Who said energy should be expensive … its the alternatives to muscle power – beginning with fire – and advancement in energy sources and use that have enabled the human species to develop … (well most of us anyway)

  277. March 14, 2015 10:58 am

    sweet-Laurie””””””’Bosses, journalists, even the Press Council, are up in arms, not only over this measure, but also over aspects of two earlier pieces of national security legislation that interfere with the ability of”””””

    ””””the media to hold government to account.””””’

    #oh come on Laurie, it won`t interfere at all. #team.cheering

  278. March 14, 2015 11:12 am

    sweet-laurie”””””””’for two years so security and law enforcement agencies can access it without warrant. Few would argue against the use of such material to catch criminals or terrorists.””””””

    #yeah, a real bright idea. Until, of course, a bunch of hackers get into this `data-trove`, and use it to their ends and means, adding `false` data, or setting-off a few `swatting` events.

    #Laurie is racing the govt to the bottom of the stupidity barrel.

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2015 12:08 pm

    Lefties being dishonest again. The fool Tim Dunlop quotes Koukoulas

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704

    “The budget papers … show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent.”

    OK Lefties, make up your mind. Some lefties say the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. Some lefties say Costello taxed too much.

    Which is it?

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2015 12:14 pm

    The Press Council is concerned the laws would crush investigative journalism

    No such thing anymore – its certainly not at risk – and any “sources” would be in the PM’s office anyway … I reckon its because they can’t spell “investigative” they don’t know what it means …

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 14, 2015 12:35 pm

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 14, 2015 2:36 pm

    OK Lefties, make up your mind. Some lefties say the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. Some lefties say Costello taxed too much.
    Which is it?

    OK RWNJ

    Try both

    The howard/costello tax cuts have left structural deficits in ongoing budgets which can’t be stopped without the ‘gimme gimme’ mob threatening political annihilation. The income from the mining boom that funded the cash splash is no longer, but we’re locked into spending as if it is.

    Howard/Costello was the highest taxing govt during a once in a generation mining boom, they could have chosen to tax us less with what they were getting and still provide better public services. They could have created much needed infrastructure or a forward thinking NBN while the rivers of gold flowed for them, but they chose to spend it all on pork barrelling electorates, corporate giveaways and selected bribes for votes. There was no ‘prosperity for all’ it was prosperity for the chosen ones.

    Now, with abott, the chosen ones are the wealthy elites, we can’t find any money to support the poorest and most disadvantaged people in the land, they plan to dispossess them of their lands all over again so that the wealthy landowners, the squattocracy and mining interests can continue to privatise their profits off the back of the traditional owners misery even though the taxpayers are forced to support those elites into the billions. Never mind the taxation that these foreign nationals refuse to give the host country by carefully crafted loopholes in the tax legislation. We are a wealthy country with white australians first in the queue for every assistance, but we can’t find any money to support the self determination of our first peoples.

    Abbott spruiks a lot about his love and support of aboriginal people but it is in his actions and deeds that show a man who believes in a superior white armband colonialist history and terra nullius. He offers nothing but insulting patriarchy, oligarchy and blackfella bashing for gaining leadership cred in the rednecks party.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/03/14/abbott-running-short-spares/14262516001594#.VQOaw9LQqSp

  283. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2015 2:44 pm

    AO

    I think you have the wrong like. However

    Howard/Costello was the highest taxing govt during a once in a generation mining boom, they could have chosen to tax us less

    Tax us less?? But Koukoulas says they were the highest taxing govt in Australian history. But some others says the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. make up your mind.

    Splatterbum

    I am anti-Labor. in all my life i have never met a more dishonest and deceitful people than those who vote for ALP/Greens

  284. March 14, 2015 4:15 pm

    Is Ricky really scaper???

    Are you singing this Tom?
    If i’m scraper, you’re Walrus

    Then Tosy is Reb who is really TB as Nil dresses as toilet?

    OK Lefties, make up your mind. Some lefties say the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. Some lefties say Costello taxed too much.
    Which is it?

    Simple you economic illiterate.. when Australians figured out that Costello and Howard were
    *over taxing
    *under investing after selling everything cheap to mates
    *squandered the mining boom opportunities
    *sold the gold reserves for fuck all
    *Lied their asses off
    Faced with the prospect of getting the much deserved Boot, they tried to bribe their way back into power with middle class welfare like paying people to breed…

    Poor Nils is stuck in a Howard masturbation loop he cannot deal the the present, its just too horrific to watch the road accident that epitomises the Abbot government as it massacre’s the Aussie economy with totalitarian social engineering masquerading as Terror Hokeynomics.

    I am anti-Labor. in all my life i have never met a more dishonest and deceitful people than those who vote for ALP/Greens

    I could imagine you make lots of friends saying that in public..
    I have mates that vote Liberal that would drop you on the spot if you said that to them in person..then again you are gutless little fucker and would never say such bollocks to anyone’s face .
    What sort of cunt says such utter rubbish….

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2015 4:21 pm

    KL, re the letter to the editor … that’s the Australia I grew up in … WTF happened?

    Abbott spruiks a lot about his love and support of aboriginal people but it is in his actions and deeds that show a man who believes in a superior white armband colonialist history and terra nullius. He offers nothing but insulting patriarchy, oligarchy and blackfella bashing for gaining leadership cred in the rednecks party.

    The Mad Abbott is just a preacher, KL, about everything! No action no positive outcomes just words and destruction the economy is slowing, jobs are getting fewer and people are either laughing or concerned about whatever/wherever the next brain fart idea or gaffe will come from …

    Morriscum is back attacking the pensioners I see … introducing the CPI increases by offering a three year review on whether the pension is “adequate” and if not increasing it with a “request” to government to make up the difference …

    er, it works now … without a review and any fiddling around the edges … just leave it alone … surely the Minister for Social Services should be helping age pensioners … not harming them?

    Ideology at work … AGAIN!

    No wonder the economy is slowing … no-one is game to spend any money in case the government decides to reduce their income!

    ► Negative Gearing … repeal the tax break

    ► Family Trusts … tax them

    ► Post Political Perqs … remove them – the era of entitlement is over

    ► Revise the age pension perqs for the rich and famous

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2015 4:29 pm

    Yes i want to say it again.

    Nothing more deceitful than an ALP/Greens voter.

    For years they told me that the Howard/Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget leading to a structural deficit.

    Now Koukoulas is saying that they were the highest taxing govt in history and anybody could run a surplus budget if they taxed like Costello.

    Lies , deceit and destruction of anything that is good is the stock in trade of an ALP voter.

  287. March 14, 2015 7:08 pm

  288. March 14, 2015 9:55 pm

  289. March 14, 2015 9:57 pm

    Abbotts that socially awkward weirdo guy at the BBQ that everyone avoids because he is looking at your girlfriends tits and laughs at his own inappropriate comments.whist everyone cringes.

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2015 10:02 pm

    Bill Shorten labour opposition leader – nose picker, snot roller, picker and eater of snot

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2015 3:42 pm

    “What are you living under a rock in 1972?
    Base load Solar, wind and hydro are and have been available for the last 10 years…

    Then we don’t need the RET, do we? Or maybe they cost too much so we have to screw ordinary citizens into subsidising them.

    How many times have we seen this scenario played out:
    1. Leftists have collective wet dream about saving humanity.
    2. Force everyone else to pay for their pious wankery.
    3. Wind up doing more harm than good anyway.

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2015 4:02 pm

    Tom R, you are giving Baghdad Bob a run for his money in the credibility stakes.

    Your assertion was that Thomson’s “claims have all turned out to have been validated”.

    You have not in any way demonstrated how his claims have been validated.

    Basically the judge said he was guilty of some offenses and would have been found guilty of more if the prosecution hadn’t fucked up.

    Interestingly, I discovered an earlier comment of yours about Craig Thomson:

    “My husband is a good man,” [Tom R] said.

    “I know Craig is sorry for the hurt he has caused his family, friends, colleagues and supporters.

    “I know I am lucky to have him and will continue to support him.”

    This explains a lot about Tom R’s heroically irrational defence of Thomson.

    OTOH, if you think you are being rational then please explain how Thomson’s claims have been validated.

  293. March 15, 2015 4:14 pm

    WSJ: Matt Ridley: Fossil Fuels Will Save the World (Really)

    “The environmental movement has advanced three arguments in recent years for giving up fossil fuels: (1) that we will soon run out of them anyway; (2) that alternative sources of energy will price them out of the marketplace; and (3) that we cannot afford the climate consequences of burning them.

    “These days, not one of the three arguments is looking very healthy. In fact, a more realistic assessment of our energy and environmental situation suggests that, for decades to come, we will continue to rely overwhelmingly on the fossil fuels that have contributed so dramatically to the world’s prosperity and progress.

    “In 2013, about 87% of the energy that the world consumed came from fossil fuels, a figure that—remarkably—was unchanged from 10 years before. This roughly divides into three categories of fuel and three categories of use: oil used mainly for transport, gas used mainly for heating, and coal used mainly for electricity.”

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2015 4:18 pm

    Also, Tom R you might want to explain why Thomson’s barrister said this about him:

    “If he hadn’t spent the money on prostitutes or pornographic movies then there was unlikely to have been concern,” Mr James said.”

    Obviously Greg James QC is working for the evil Murdoch and deliberately stabbing his own client in the back with that submission.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2015 5:57 pm

    Global head of economics at Macquarie Bank Richard Gibbs says Australia’s coal industry is facing a double whammy because supply is increasing after a decade of heavy investment while demand is shifting down.

    “The supply curve has a very long gestation period, is very expensive to scale down and cannot be finetuned as much as mining companies would like to,” Gibbs explains. “Ergo you’ll always get these downward parts of the economic cycle where mining companies overshoot the mark. So the million-dollar question is, is the downshift in demand terminal? I think it is.” …

    Gibbs is adding his voice to the chorus of commentators discounting Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s claim that coal is an “essential part” of our economic future. “I think we’re moving towards a coal-free future and what we’re seeing in the Bowen Basin is material evidence of that.”

    A new Chinese law banning the use of coal with high levels of sulphur and ash in areas around its largest cities to counter air pollution backs Gibbs up. The Bureau of Resource Economics warns the new law alone could reduce Australia’s thermal coal exports to China by one sixth. Coupled with a pledge to produce 15 per cent of its power from renewables by 2020 and advancements in micro nuclear reactors, China is closely approaching an infliction point known as peak-coal where long-term structural shift away from coal as a commodity sets in.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/the-aussie-towns-destroyed-by-chinas-economic-slowdown/story-fnkgdg1h-1227262601440

    And these need airing again …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/famous-predictions-that-were-spectacularly-wrong/story-fn6vihic-1226889769437

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2015 6:03 pm

    Just ’cause you don’t believe in train travel … don’t stand on the tracks to stop them …

  297. March 15, 2015 6:26 pm

    yeah teebz, it`s another topic the teabags are in complete denial about, l remember seeing doco`s years ago, on a little thing in china called 3-gorges dam, which is up and running now, powering up a pretty decent chunk of china. #go.team #peak.coal

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2015 6:29 pm

    Tom R believes that we should suspend any judgement on Thompson’s character because of the limited prosecution.

    It’s an oddly hypocritical standard he applies, where every (conservative) politician can be subjected to any form of speculation about their behaviour, actions and motives, but reasonable, evidence based conclusions about Thompson aren’t allowed unless he was specifically prosecuted for the action.

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2015 6:54 pm

    TomR is not to be trusted. He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/tony-abbott-effectively-shuts-holden-and-australian-car-industry/story-fnjwucvh-1226777479192

    As tensions between the Federal Government and Holden reached new heights Mr Abbott said: “There’s not going to be any extra money over and above the generous support the taxpayers have been giving the motor industry for a long time.

    “We think there’s more than enough money on the table. It’s available to the motor industry. But there is no more.”

    Since Ford announced in May that it will shut its Australian factories no later than 2016, Holden has stated repeatedly it needs more than the $275 million it was pledged by the then Labor Federal Government in March 2012 to build two new models from 2016 to 2022.

    What happened is that when Ford left Holden went back and asked for even more money. Abbott/Hockey said no. You are not getting any more, only what was promised.

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2015 7:05 pm

    Tom R believes that we should suspend any judgement on Thompson’s character because of the limited prosecution.

    Get a new needle the record’s stuck …

    Thom(p)son is old news …

    … farting around with it is simply taking heat off Chrissy Pain threatening scientists and blackmailing senators …

    Problem with tories is that they live in the past … not even the present!

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2015 7:07 pm

    He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

    ” … But there is no more.”

    Thick or what? 🙄

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2015 7:11 pm

    Get a new needle the record’s stuck …

    You’re welcome to scroll past if you’re not interested TB. But I think there has been a discussion going on, involving some people – other than you.

  303. March 15, 2015 7:39 pm

    How many times have we seen this scenario played out:
    1. Leftists have collective wet dream about saving humanity.
    2. Force everyone else to pay for their pious wankery.
    3. Wind up doing more harm than good anyway.

    Leftist? What a Moron… 🙄

    I guess that why the big energy companies are claiming over themselves to install alternative energy but its not the left that wants people to pay for it.. Its the Energy cartels…
    So I will take the above comment as you are ineptly commenting on shit that you are infinitesimally clueless about… attempting to link alternate energy to climate change as most clueless dullards do.
    Contry to the clueless fucking imbecile that is apparently running the country…

    Coal is not good for humanity, the ecology, the environment or in the long term the economy.. its is an inefficient finite energy resource that inevitably will erode our way of life in more ways than one… Like Thomson..its history

    Why are you prattling on about Thomson? He’s an asshole as is Jackson… He’s over done..dusted move on.. flogging a dead horse…what have you got Nils disease or something?

    TomR is not to be trusted

    That’s fucking rich coming from an insistent lying trol with a trust factor so low it could parachute out of a snakes ass and freefall for ten minutes…

    Tosy whats your point keep digging holes and wait till then to do anything because a TV capitalist with no scientific background bases his assumptions on market data?
    If he was any capitalist worth his salt he would be on the renewable gravy train like a fly to shit…

  304. March 15, 2015 7:40 pm

    tb””””Get a new needle the record`s stuck .. Thom(p)son is old news”””’

    #oh come on tb, let the teabags have their minor victories on things like thomson and slipper, it helps build their confidence and terminal stupidity. #1950.here.we.come

    +

    tb””””taking heat off Chrissy Pain threatening scientists and blackmailing senators””””’

    #what makes you think mr-poodle has any interest in `science`, going on previous efforts of mr-talkbull and mr-rabbit on #denial and #nbn .. l just think `science-and-technology` is really a teabag priority. #half.wits

  305. March 15, 2015 7:43 pm

    You’re welcome to scroll past if you’re not interested TB. But I think there has been a discussion going on, involving some people – other than you.

  306. March 15, 2015 7:52 pm

    rp””””’any capitalist worth his salt he would be on the renewable gravy train””””’

    #absolutely correct

    #problem is the dumb-fcuks have pre-welded themselves to #denial as stooges and useful idiots to big-coal for so long they have painted themselves into a corner with no place to go.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2015 8:57 pm

    Met, Bill Oddie, in a restaurant in London -Friday’s – one lunch-time (the day we arrived in the UK)… 1997 …

    I used to be Goodies fan so just introduced myself (he was at the next table) … nice bloke, offered me a chair, very chatty, told me he was writing plays and scripts at the time …

  308. March 15, 2015 10:14 pm

    TB huge Goodies fan here too.. that would have been awesome. Really clever stuff.

    Teabag.. from Tosy’s link.. excuse me if I don’t take a denialist quoiting unreferenced figures in a Murdoch rag with the contempt it deserves…

    We are seeing it at the moment in NSW.. they have the PEL2 licence owned by AGL with most of the water supply and aquifers from Wollongong to the base of the Hunter in rich Agg land.. Where is the gas going if it get extracted? Export.. same with the coal.
    .
    I interviewed Peter Fitzsimons the other day and he put it very succinctly
    we are facing a bright future or a black millennium
    Future generations will not be as concerned about money as they are about the squandered destruction of the energy, water and food supply jeopardised by nothing more than the unbridled greed of free market capitalism without conscience.

  309. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 9:47 am

    It’s an oddly hypocritical standard he applies, where every (conservative) politician can be subjected to any form of speculation about their behaviour,

    At the risk of chasing you away again, Link?

    but reasonable, evidence based conclusions about Thompson aren’t allowed unless he was specifically prosecuted for the action.

    reasonable? evidence based? The “evidence” placed was inconclusive, and he has no charge in relation to them. So continue your slurs, since you now freely admit that is what they are.

    You have not in any way demonstrated how his claims have been validated.

    Except of course via links that showed that the quoted utterances from unattributed “quotes” you supply are nothing but twisting of actual events, statements and outcomes. I’ll give you a hint to the passage, which you refuse to acknowledge ““Seems” is the word you want to be careful of there” 😉

    Interestingly, I discovered an earlier comment of yours about Craig Thomson:

    You may have discovered it, but I cannot. Perhaps you can link to it so we can get some perspective on it? Sounds to me like, if it was my comment, it was a quote from somebody else, not me, as you claim. But, again, without actually showing the source, we are going on your interpretation. Back it up so we can all see.

    if you think you are being rational then please explain how Thomson’s claims have been validated.

    I would have thought the court case that found him guilty of a mere three thousand dollars over three years that resulted from the manner he withdrew the funds would have done that, and didn’t include any or all of the salacious front page accusations made against him. The fact that he is not guilty of anything to do with Prostitutes normally validates innocence, except of course in the case of Thomson it appears. It would also appear that the vote yabot denied him was not tainted at all, as he is still eligible to sit in Parliament. The press seem to forgotten that aspect quite fortuitously.

    He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

    Of course, the grubmint currently re-instating that which they tried to have removed doesn’t really mean anything to you, does it NiL! 😯

  310. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 9:49 am

    Good to see the ALP FINALLY not rolling over. Mind you, this will give the libs and their media mates a lot to whack them with. And, I would have thought data retention would have been the most politically expedient one to oppose of the two?

    Labor will oppose “urgent” legislation to be introduced by the Abbott government this week to impose mandatory minimum sentences for firearms trafficking, paving the way for Coalition claims that the ALP is soft on national security.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/15/labor-to-stymy-new-push-for-firearms-trafficking-mandatory-sentencing?CMP=share_btn_tw

  311. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 9:54 am

    Gutter politics at its worst

    Education Minister Christopher Pyne has warned the Senate that 1700 research jobs will be scrapped if he doesn’t get his way on uncapping university fees. The tactic was immediately condemned as “toxic, reckless politics at its worst” and led to calls for Mr Pyne to leave behind his student politics ways.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/1700-researchers-become-the-bargaining-chip-in-government-fight-to-uncap-university-fees-20150314-144ckd.html

    Let us rip off the kids, or the scientists get it.

    Same blackmail tactic morriscum used with Children in Detention against the cross benchers. His worked, but has back fired in the long run. I don’t think Senator Ricky Muir will be trusting the libs ever again.

  312. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2015 10:01 am

    “Is Ricky really scaper??? ”

    Are you serious ?

    Ricky makes scaper look like a candidate for Mensa.

    And besides I did hear that scaper was reasonably good and fairly creative in his chosen field.

    Ricky’s musical output can be compared to the melodic sounds of an orchestra full of arseholes farting in unison. Yes he is that good !

    Not many devoted Communists have talent and Ricky is certainly no exception.

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 10:24 am

    Tom R, you are not getting away with this BS!

    Your assertion was that Thomson’s “claims have all turned out to have been validated”.

    You have not in any way demonstrated how his claims have been validated.

    “The fact that he is not guilty of anything to do with Prostitutes normally validates innocence, except of course in the case of Thomson it appears.”

    Thompson’s silk said this: “If he hadn’t spent the money on prostitutes or pornographic movies then there was unlikely to have been concern,” Mr James said.”

    Why on earth are you still arguing the point? His own fucking barrister admitted, on his behalf, that he used union money on prostitutes. Nothing in the appeal detracted from that.

    I expect that even you understand the difference between “not guilty” and “innocent”.

    I would also think that even you understand the difference between being found not guilty because the facts were in doubt, and a not guilty (on some charges only) verdict where the judge goes out of her way to say stuff like:

    Judge Douglas said it was clear Thomson deceived the HSU and described his breach of trust as “huge”.

    When summarising her reasons on the individual guilty charges, she said it was also evident he did not have authority to spend the union’s funds on items such as escorts.

    She said clearing Thomson of so many charges should not be seen “in any way” as an endorsement of his actions.

    That is not, as you claim, a validation of innocence, in any way shape or form.

    Thompson situation is of a piece with terrorist (and Obama mentor) Bill Ayers and his famous comment about getting off on a technicality: “Guilty as sin, free as a bird”

  314. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 10:28 am

    I expect that even you understand the difference between “not guilty” and “innocent”.

    You mean like, “Innocent until proven Guilty”. That sort?

    Of course, feel free to continue to slur, without any real attribution (even to your quotes, which you still haven’t provided links to)

    As to what his barrister said, that WAS covered above. You have still assiduously avoided that too I note 😉

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2015 10:42 am

    Of course, the grubmint currently re-instating that which they tried to have removed doesn’t really mean anything to you, does it NiL!

    Your statement that the Coalition has removed car industry funding came well before the current backflip. Funding was cut AFTER the car industry announced they were leaving but has now been reversed.

    There were no cuts to auto industry funding under the Coalition. They were always going to get what Rudd/Gillard promised. What happened is that they went back and asked for even more money because Ford left.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/tony-abbott-effectively-shuts-holden-and-australian-car-industry/story-fnjwucvh-1226777479192

    Since Ford announced in May that it will shut its Australian factories no later than 2016, Holden has stated repeatedly it needs more than the $275 million it was pledged by the then Labor Federal Government in March 2012 to build two new models from 2016 to 2022.

  316. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 10:54 am

    The last link was to an ABC report. You know you can google any of the quotes, troll.

    “As to what his barrister said, that WAS covered above.”

    By “covered”, I suppose you mean a link to wixxy!!!!!! At which he did not discuss the particular quote I referenced above, namely:“If he hadn’t spent the money on prostitutes or pornographic movies then there was unlikely to have been concern,” Mr James said.. You didn’t address it either, motherfucker. so why don’t you try now?

    Also note that both links above are to ABC sources. I take it that you, having used Wixxy as a source, will be way too embarrassed to criticise anyone else’s sources ever again! 🙂

  317. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:14 am

    Get over it Splatter

    The TRoll is just playing his games again.

    He’s always big on demanding Links but never does he put up any strong supporting Links ever and he’ll always claim conspiracy or insult the person you Link to.

    I’m not surprised he puts up Wix as a Link. Both enjoy a certain comraderie brought about the common intellectual deserts of logical thought they share

  318. March 16, 2015 11:24 am

    Ricky’s musical output can be compared to the melodic sounds of an orchestra full of arseholes farting in unison. Yes he is that good !
    Not many devoted Communists have talent and Ricky is certainly no exception.

    And by assholes you would mean 22 of the ASO’s finest led by a 1st string from the Royal Philharmonic… comrade? 🙄

    “let the vindictive strains of ignorant critics ring from the pigsty as you bring home the duly smoked bacon”

  319. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:29 am

    He continually said the Coalition removed funding from the car industry. Not true.

    Your defense is

    Funding was cut

    😯

    You know you can google any of the quotes, troll.

    And I have, and they all points made about trying to get his client of and speaking in a hypothetical, which the abc etc never highlight, but which I did above, and you ignored initially and now reject.

    Also note that both links above are to ABC sources.

    And that means … what exactly? That they are immune to poor journalism ROFL

    Are you able to link to the quotes you attributed to me earlier? I googled, I could not find them.

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:32 am

    Yeah right.

    Thompson’s lawyer admits in court that he spent union money on prostitutes, but apparently this doesn’t validate a reasonable conclusion that he spent union money on prostitutes.

    Interesting logic by Tom R as usual.

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:42 am

    And, I would have thought data retention would have been the most politically expedient one to oppose of the two?

    Yeah! TR, I’d be after the pricks who bring in illegal firearms … before interfering with personal privacy for no reason … its been a flop anywhere its been tried …

    The Gestapo would have loved access to metadata …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And besides I did hear that scaper was reasonably good and fairly creative in his chosen field.

    LOL! Yeah!

    That’s why he was looking for other work (and a political career -anything …) when he visited here … as for creative … having met the rockshifter – I can assure you, your “source”(s) were certainly pissing in your pocket …

    You do “hear” a lot of shit stuff … Sir Walter …

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:49 am

    TomR

    Actually it wasn’t cut. You are lying as usual.

    AFTER Holden said they were leaving promised money from 2017-2020 was cut because they will not be here. Who would they give the money to?

    You are being stupid. Holden was promised money if they stayed. And they are not staying.

  323. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:50 am

    Tom R, I’ll give you the link when you answer a simple question. You said (among other things to similar effect): “you slurred him again by claiming he spent money on prostitutes. Shame on you”

    No doubt you also noted that Greg James QC admitted that Thomson did spend money on prostitutes. Please explain why you persist in telling lies like the one above and persist ion claiming Thomson’s claim was “validated”.

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 11:58 am

    My comment about scaper vs Ricky was only a grammatical thing. I could hardly ignore “little own” after scaper’s famous “little lone” comment.

    Scaper was scarcely literate, but fully demented, his insults were threatening and unfunny. His orientation was obscure (other than – “how about we form a club and go and live in the unbearably hot, dusty, fly blown dessert and build a city!!”)

    Quite the oppose of Ricky.

  325. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:02 pm

    Actually it wasn’t cut. ………….promised money from 2017-2020 was cut

    😯

    claiming Thomson’s claim was “validated”.

    Rinse repeat, it really becomes tiresome. Because a judge did not find him guilty of it. If someone wants to find him guilty, they can charge him …. AGAIN! and again and again.
    Innocent until proven guilty. Remember the concept?

    His defence used it as a hypothesis, and in the abc article, as a highlight of the focus of media. But he denies it, and nobody had proven otherwise. That is all the validation someone who has been dragged through the courts that often needs. Well, you’d think, but the slurs continue.

  326. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:03 pm

    Meanwhile, back on the topic, I wonder if yabot considered Country Liberal Party MLA Alison Anderson to be making a “lifestyle choice”? And is he now going to force her to become an “Urban Aboriginal”?

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:09 pm

    Visiting here today is like returning to live with your elderly parents after being independent for years. Nothing new is said or done and memory recall of years ago is better than what happened yesterday or today. The world that time forgot.

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:13 pm

    So politicians who have a lawyer who is defending them in court and say – “he spent his employers money on prostitutes”, can’t be criticised?? Despite them denying those very actions for years and in their explanation to parliament?

    We can’t make judgments about the character of politicians unless their actions have caused a criminal prosecution and they have been found guilty?

    Any judgment about a shady political character isn’t valid?

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:15 pm

    Visiting here today is like returning to live with your elderly parents after being independent for years being punch drunk, or maybe without the punch.

  330. March 16, 2015 12:17 pm

    Being insulted by scraper was like treading on a slug…. little and owned
    As far as his creativity.. I would put him in on par with Nils and Walrus.. predictably petulant with the flair of a box of soggy saftery matches

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:18 pm

    Matt Ridley wants to gamble the Earth’s future because he won’t learn from the past:
    Ridley argues against climate action because he believes zombie myths

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jan/21/matt-ridley-wants-to-gamble-earths-future-because-wont-learn-from-past

    …Have you ever watched a zombie movie and wondered if the protagonists will grow physically tired from having to repeatedly kill zombies that inevitably rise once again from the dead? That’s how people often feel when confronted with climate change myths that were debunked years ago. These myths never seem to stay dead, inevitably being revived by climate contrarians no matter how conclusively and repeatedly they’ve been debunked.

    And so we have writer Matt Ridley once again published in the London Times complaining, “Rather than attack my arguments, my critics like to attack my motives.” That’s undoubtedly because when an individual keeps repeating the same myths over and over again, people eventually grow tired of debunking those myths and naturally question the motives of the individual who keeps making them…

    …He argues that rather than mitigate the immense risks posed by global warming, the world should share his belief and take the gamble on the best case scenario that climate change doesn’t turn out to be too terrible.

    This is the part of the story where we’re obligated to recall that Matt Ridley was the non-executive Chairman of Northern Rock, a British bank that in 2007, was the first in over 150 years to experience a run on its deposits. Under Ridley’s chairmanship, the bank pursued a high-risk, reckless business strategy that eventually backfired, and had to be bailed out by British taxpayers to the tune of £27 billion ($41 billion).

    Ridley apparently didn’t learn from that fiasco, and wants to repeat the same high-risk strategy with the global climate. His reasoning is based on zombie myths, and if he’s wrong again, this time nobody will be able to step in and bail out the Earth’s inhabitants…

  332. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:22 pm

    Tom R: youThomson’s own lawyer slurred him again by claiming he spent money on prostitutes. Shame on you him”

    Fixed it for you! That is your argument at its strongest.

    This will be rinse repeat forever because you are proving to be stupider and more intractable even than Iain Hall, the dumbest of all trolls to visit this blog.

    The world that time forgot.

    Yep, KL. Some people are still trying to pretend Thomson:

    • did not prong Misty in the Red Turbo room,
    • had nothing to do with prostitutes and
    • is completely innocent.

    Such is the parallel universe of the rusted-on ALP troll.

  333. March 16, 2015 12:36 pm

    AO… we can excuse Nils he permainantly lives in the past as he cant accept the present so he wites his own version of history…
    But ow did they arraive at Thomson and car subsidies from Abbots will to close down Indigenous communities because its too expensive and no doubt a hinderence to his coal humanity?

    Meanwhile the South Australian minister for closets and smarmy is about to be bent over the desk and duly rogered after threatening those scientist teworwists with cutting off their funding if they don’t sell Uni’s to the highest fibber

    Dont worry good government has started and the adults are listening

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 12:47 pm

    Dont worry good government has started and the adults are listening

    I’ve got a nice BIG BLACK pen* ready for 2016!

    Now allowed in the ballot box – apparently …

    (KL, said the same as you ‘tother day!)

  335. March 16, 2015 12:56 pm

    Hahahahahahaha… That was short lived…

    #adultsincharge #goodgovernmentbeginswhen?

  336. March 16, 2015 12:58 pm

  337. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 1:08 pm

    Thomson’s own lawyer slurred him again by claiming he spent money on prostitutes

    Applying the context you (deliberately?) ignore

    The so-called admissions were actually submissions based on the findings of guilt by the court.

    For the layman they are scenario’s that are offered up as explanations in order to reduce a sentence that is based on behavior that the court has assumed as factual. What they are not, are admissions of guilt.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/no-remorse-the-sentencing-of-craig-thomson-and-the-upcoming-appeal/

  338. March 16, 2015 1:19 pm

    Pyne getting it from all sides just how he likes it. Never take a childish blunt cutting butter knife to a adults blue especially when facing the brick with ears… #little&owned http://m.smh.com.au/national/education-minister-christopher-pynes-science-job-threat-backfires-with-senator-cory-bernardi-and-crossbenchers-furious-at-tactic-20150316-144jnf.html

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 1:22 pm

    I think it’s hilarious when anyone quotes Wicks.

    ”but, but, but …they shared an office!! So they must have exchanged favours, had smokes together!!

    Here’s the office they “shared”

  340. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 1:31 pm

    I think it’s hilarious when anyone quotes Wicks.

    Of course you do yomm. Laughter is all you have left really isn’t it 😉

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 2:39 pm

    Tom R channelling Wixxy:

    “The so-called admissions were actually submissions based on the findings of guilt by the court.

    For the layman they are scenario’s that are offered up as explanations in order to reduce a sentence that is based on behavior that the court has assumed as factual. What they are not, are admissions of guilt.”

    1. They are admissions alright. Greg James QC cannot mislead the court. If he does he is liable to be disbarred. In this case he was happy to admit his client had been rooting whores because the trial court found as a fact that Thomson had been rooting whores.

    2. Nothing that happened in the appeal that challenged that finding of fact.

    3. The appeal proceeded on narrow and technical grounds, none of which was about Thompson rooting or not rooting whores.

    So the result of the appeal is that Craig remained convicted on some charges. He was acquitted of others on a technicality.

    Judge Douglas said it was clear Thomson deceived the HSU and described his breach of trust as “huge”.

    When summarising her reasons on the individual guilty charges, she said it was also evident he did not have authority to spend the union’s funds on items such as escorts.

    She said clearing Thomson of so many charges should not be seen “in any way” as an endorsement of his actions.

  342. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 2:46 pm

    Nothing that happened in the appeal that challenged that finding of fact.

    Except for the fact he got acquitted from them. 😯

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:07 pm

    So (again) before we make a judgement about a shady politician, our judgement is based only on whether they have been convicted of a criminal offense, and not whether-
    • Their barrister stated in court that they had behaved in the way alleged
    • They say they have “settled” a defamation, when they didn’t
    • Their story in court is different to the one they tell the parliament

  344. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:19 pm

    is based only on whether they have been convicted of a criminal offense

    Nitpicky isn’t it.

    Who cares what a court decides, He’s GUILTY. and I bet he’s no heavier than a Duck!

    Their barrister stated in court that they had behaved in the way alleged

    Their barrister stated in court that they had behaved in the way it had already been deemed by that court. Again, a fairly important distinction. One that doesn’t appear to bother some people.

    Funnily, they are happy to use the initial charge as proof of his guilt, but want to ignore the subsequent acquittal of same charges.

    Cherry picking smears, a new low 😉

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:25 pm

    “Except for the fact he got acquitted from them. “

    No he didn’t. You are wrong.

    He was convicted of offences where he paid for sexual services.

    The Judge in paragraph 19 of her summing up said:

    The gravity of the offending is the gross breach of trust involved. The seriousness is reflected in the continued confidence, or arrogance, of Mr Thomson in having no regard for the responsibility imposed in him and the trust reposed in him by his employer as he abused that position by deliberately using the funds for his own purposes, which I describe from the material as “self-indulgent behaviour”. That includes charge 173, a lunch with his wife. The amount spent on that lunch was $400 including a bottle of wine for $200. Other offences involve paying for sexual services.

    This is from the judgement of Justice Douglas in relation to one of the offences Thompson was convicted on:

    On or about 12 June 2007 the appellant drew $500 cash in Bateau Bay in New South Wales where he lived. He then drove to Sydney. At 12.31 he called a brothel, Chandalay Massage in Roseville. At 1.55 pm he made another call on his phone near Roseville, and then an hour later another call in Chatswood, which is near where the brothel is. He attended at that brothel to receive sexual services and later drove home. There is no issue he attended at the brothel.

    Quick, quick you stupid fucking troll, run over to Wixxy. Maybe he has been through the court documents and has spun a web of lies about them too. (Or maybe he would prefer that his gullible readers not know about them.)

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:28 pm

    He’s GUILTY. and I bet he’s no heavier than a Duck! of lying, being a sleaze who is unfit for parliament and spending his member’s money on prostitutes.

    Fixed it for you.

  347. March 16, 2015 3:32 pm

    #this sums it up for me armchair,

    ””””””””’This is the part of the story where we`re obligated to recall that Matt Ridley was the

    non-executive Chairman of Northern Rock, a British bank that in 2007, was the first in over 150 years to experience a run on its deposits. Under Ridley’s chairmanship, the bank

    pursued a high-risk, reckless business strategy that eventually backfired, and had to be bailed out by British taxpayers to the tune of £27 billion ($41 billion).””””””””

    #l also see all the `denial-tit-for-tat-ing` in the embedded, so-called news-media as a major flaw. Part of a so-called journalist, so-called editor and so-called news-org, is to weigh-up whether the `story` is fact-based and/or `truthful`, or just bullshit. Too often, so-called news-orgs bury their worth-while `news` within bullshit-based junk and advertising `dressed` as news, they then wonder why they are held in the lowest of esteem by the public/viewer, and can`t convince them to buy their product. #teabag.media

  348. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:34 pm

    There is no issue he attended at the brothel.

    You didn’t follow the case too closely did you sb. They weren’t defending if he did or didn’t attend a brothel, they just said it didn’t matter in the context, so let it all go through to the keeper. But, he also added, he still maintains he didn’t. It has been explained dozens of times for you, but still you ignore, and continue to front up unattributed quotes from who the fuck knows where.

    Speaking of which, I have answered you, several times over, and you still have not supplied the source of the quote you attribute to me.

  349. March 16, 2015 3:41 pm

    faaaaaaaaaaaaark””””””””Speaking of which, I have answered you, several times over, and you still have not supplied the source of the quote you attribute to me.”””””

    sounds familiar team-cheerer, #pot.kettle #team.nanny.roxon #military.grade.packaging

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 3:51 pm

    “You didn’t follow the case too closely did you sb.”

    I followed the case very closely. Thomson went down (both at first instance and on appeal) for offences involving using union money to root whores. You think that this situation somehow “validates” Thomson’s claim that he did not root whores.

    The fact that Thomson now says he didn’t really root whores means nothing. The court at first instance, in convicting him, found he did root whores. So did the court on the appeal.

    Tom R I will link that quote when you start talking sense.

  351. March 16, 2015 4:04 pm

    “”They weren’t defending if he did or didn’t attend a brothel, they just said it didn’t matter in the context…””

    PML!

    Is the “context” like “”the vibe?”

    What about THE FACT that Thomson said he knew who had used his credit card to pay for brothel services but refused to name who that individual was?

    Honestly Tom, Thomson is a scumbag. I’m amazed that you continue to profess his innocence when even his own lawyer conceded that they would no longer contest the fact that he had used his HSC credit card to pay for prostitutes.

  352. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:05 pm

    Tom R“they just said it didn’t matter in the context”

    Wrong again TR. On page 64 of the ruling in DPP v. Craig Thomson, Thomson argued that the prosecution could not prove how the cash was spent.

    On both of the appellant, it was submitted that the prosecution cannot prove how the appellant spent the cash, as there is no record. The only reasonable inference in the circumstances is that the appellant used the $200, which he withdrew that night, on the same evening as he contacted the escort service.

    I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he used the services of the escort agency.

    Note the context here: the use of the cash was put in issue by Thomson.

    The judge decided the issue by finding beyond reasonable doubt that Thomson did root whores (or as the more genteel judge puts it “he used the services of the escort agency.”)

    Context my friend doesn’t help your pathetic trolling one little bit.

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:12 pm

    That includes charge 173, a lunch with his wife. The amount spent on that lunch was $400 including a bottle of wine for $200. Other offences involve paying for sexual services.

    His wife charges for sexual services … !!!! He paid everyone? He must be awful in bed!

    LOL! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:13 pm

    So many questions, so much secrecy, so few answers.

    How the AFP sold Abbott on mandatory data retention:
    http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-the-afp-sold-abbott-on-data-retention/

    The TPP has the potential for real harm
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-16/verrender-the-tpp-has-the-potential-for-real-harm/6321538

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:16 pm

    The judge decided the issue by finding beyond reasonable doubt …

    Wasn’t it a civil case? Should be “on the balance of probabilities” … odd …

    I do agree with sreb, tho’ … Thomson is a scumbag …

  356. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:33 pm

    “Wasn’t it a civil case?”

    No. The case is DPP v Craig Thomson.

  357. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:37 pm

    Unfortunately TB, I’ve had to spend more time with this than usual because that troll Tom R hasn’t found the level of his own stupidity yet and just keeps twisting in the wind.

    I guess that is why he is such a successful troll. But I’m not letting the fucker away with this one.

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 4:55 pm

    “I guess that is why he is such a successful troll. “

    I think it’s just great that he’s good at something!

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2015 5:15 pm

    Must be the first time Abbott’s knocked back a freebie.

    Abbott rejects Christian solar gift due to security concerns, cleaning costs:
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/abbott-rejects-christian-solar-gift-due-to-security-concerns-cleaning-costs-89515

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 6:00 pm

    I guess that is why he is such a successful troll. But I’m not letting the fucker away with this one.

    So its RECIPROCAL … I know how that feels …

    Thomson stole from the HSU … end of story for me …

    As a manager I had three reasons for instant dismissal … fighting (both parties) … stealing … and disobeying a lawful instruction …

    I’ve also dismissed on the spot … an employee who physically sexually harassed another employee in front of three witnesses and didn’t/couldn’t deny it …

  361. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2015 6:40 pm

    Lifestyle:
    http://www.pipingshrike.com/2015/03/lifestyle.html

    …The initial drive to roll back the Whitlam Settlement faded over last year as measures like the repeal of 18C went down like a lead balloon with a bemused electorate. By the Martin Place siege, Abbott was toning down the cultural warrior rhetoric, which he could while his main threat was Turnbull. Now in attempting to cling on to right support against a more serious rising threat from Morrison, he has speeded up again. He dropped the shenanigans over recognition and sped up the roll-back of the land rights framework and left his “friends” in indigenous politics high and dry. Clearly by his recent interview, Barnett would like this roll-back of the communities handled a little more delicately, but Abbott doesn’t have time for that…

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 6:49 pm

    KL, slipping, sliding, ducking, weaving, sneaking, greasing, fogging, playing, dumping, denying, lying, cheating … this government has all the hallmarks of sneakiness, obfuscation, ideology, bitterness, working for business not the people and a need to control every movement of Australia’s citizens like no other government … since 1901!

    Or they are absofknlutely, totally incompetent!

    And I’d love to say they have to go! But the alternatives are no better …

  363. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 8:15 pm

    The judge decided the issue by finding beyond reasonable doubt that Thomson did root whores

    IF the judge who presided over the appeal has used the alleged visits to brothels in her determination, then that is vastly different from all of those other statements you put up sb, and I would have to concede that he has not been vindicated for that. I have not seen that anywhere though, except in your unattributed quote above. I would like to see the attribution, but, I will take your word for it, and I will be happy to concede the point in that case that he has not been vindicated of brothel visits in the appeal.

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 8:36 pm

    “So its RECIPROCAL … I know how that feels … ”

    Duh!

    RETROSPECTIVE … !

    (I do have an excuse — but that’s all it is … never multi-task!)

    Pity, Wally The Willie Wanker couldn’t be so gracious, TR …

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2015 8:50 pm

    Heavens!!

  366. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2015 9:02 pm

    Pity, Wally The Willie Wanker couldn’t be so gracious, TR

    Well, s I said, if the appeals Judge has used that in her determination, then that pretty much null and voids my argument. But, the earlier examples were of the initial trial and media hype, none of relevant.

    I don’t doubt SB’s quote above either, in the same way I don’t doubt the quote he attributes to me, I just, in that case, don’t agree with the attribution.

    I wonder if a link for that will ever be supplied?

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2015 9:59 pm

    I wonder if a link for that will ever be supplied?

    I think it was promised …

    I took ToM’s advice – Heavens! – and skimmed through most of it … bit like dejavue … no – groundhog day for me …

  368. March 16, 2015 11:15 pm

    ao”””””’If it became a matter of `her or him` with the libs, he`d ditch her””””

    #l think you`re wrong on the `him-or-her` part armchair, while mr-rabbit is an imbecile, l reckon he sees it as `them`, remember, the `horsewoman` has got him to where he is, and he probably knows he would have been stuffed without her.

    #However, l think the teabag-mps probably have legitimate gripes with her/mr-rabbit/pmo in the same vain jooLIE did, when she got stuffed about trying to travel as foreign minister.

    #The tension caused, as l see it is, either mr-rabbit is giving horsewoman/pmo poor instructions which being `obeyed` fully, or horsewoman is over-stepping the mark. (but l just can`t work out which)

  369. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 7:59 am

    The DPP v Craig Thomson appeal to the County Court ruling and sentencing remarks can be found here.

  370. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 8:15 am

    Tom R: “I wonder if a link for that will ever be supplied?”

    Now that your logic faculty is showing signs of recovery, maybe your atrophied humour gland will spring to life.

    Here is what I said:

    “Interestingly, I discovered an earlier comment of yours about Craig Thomson:

    “My husband is a good man,” [Tom R] said.

    “I know Craig is sorry for the hurt he has caused his family, friends, colleagues and supporters.

    “I know I am lucky to have him and will continue to support him.”

    This explains a lot about Tom R’s heroically irrational defence of Thomson.

    I had been puzzled by Tom R’s excruciating logic defying loyalty to Thomson. Then, when I was reading that quote, it became obvious that Tom R was in fact Thommo’s wife, Zoe.

    All I did was clarify that the “she” in the original was in fact Tom R, which I put in square brackets to alert readers of the substitution. Of course I could be mistaken about this, but who could blame me given the blind irrational loyalty shown by Zoe/Tom R?

  371. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 8:17 am

    Thanks sb

    I’ll admit, my judgement had become clouded by the years of extremely poor coverage, and misrepresentations in the media of what had been said and done.

    But, a Judges verdict, especially the text as you quoted above, cannot easily be dismissed.

    Thanks for pointing it for me.

  372. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 8:26 am

    Of course I could be mistaken about this

    Ya Think? 😯

    And you accuse me of verbal gymnastics 😆 😉

  373. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 8:54 am

    The main misrepresentations were by Peter Wicks. If you read the judge’s summing up and the reporter’s statements about what she said (which were basically the same in ABC, Fairfax and News reports) it is apparent that the news reports fairly reflected the Judge’s comments.

  374. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 9:21 am

    “”Pity, Wally The Willie Wanker couldn’t be so gracious””

    Oh I am very gracious when ned be. You are just still in denial that you were caught up in your own bullshit of truying to deny the undeniable. You clearly agreed with KL when she said get rid of negative gearing immediately. Yet you deny it.

    You are absolutely full of “it” and of yourself.

    TB……………does that stand for TotalBullshit perhaps ?

  375. March 17, 2015 9:50 am

  376. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:34 am

    TomR

    Are you going to admit you were wrong?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/tony-abbott-effectively-shuts-holden-and-australian-car-industry/story-fnjwucvh-1226777479192

    There’s not going to be any extra money over and above the generous support the taxpayers have been giving the motor industry for a long time………….Holden has stated repeatedly it needs more than the $275 million it was pledged by the then Labor Federal Government in March 2012 to build two new models from 2016 to 2022.

    Holden boss Mike Devereux said in June that without an increase in government support “it is absolutely impossible to make cars in this country

    The Coalition did not cut any money to the car industry. Funding was there until 2022.

    What happened is that when Ford left Holden went back and asked for even more money. According to the article Holden wanted double what was promised.

    Hockey said no. Current finding is all you are going to get.

  377. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:50 am

    The Coalition did not cut any money to the car industry.

    Except of course for your statement above

    Funding was cut AFTER the car industry announced they were leaving but has now been reversed.

    ROFL

    Are you going to admit you were wrong?

    NEVER!! (except when I am of course 😉 )

  378. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:18 am

    TomR

    I see you changed the topic. Of course funding would be cut AFTER they left. Nobody will be making cars after 2017.

    Funding was there until 2022 if they continued to make cars.

    You cannot tell the truth. It is bad to be like that. Everybody knew that funding was there until 2022 except for you.

  379. March 17, 2015 11:20 am

    This is comedy gold. Only a dumbass buffoon like Joe Hockey would “put himself on trial” and with every passing day that this story gets covered in the media it’s with the headline “TREASURER FOR SALE” being mentioned and reinforced right across Australia…

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hockey-defamation-case-reasonable-actions-versus-malice-claims-20150316-1m0bf3.html

  380. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:23 am

    I see you changed the topic.

    Can you perhaps link to where I did that.

    I have always argued that the grubmint were “telegraphing” their desire. They didn’t want to fund anyone. Which is why hockey went taunting them in Parliament. Holden knew the writing was on the wall.

    And then, funding was cut. As you yourself state.

  381. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:34 am

    TomR

    NO. Funding was there until 2022. Everybody knew that.

  382. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:51 am

    Funding was there until 2022.

    Except of course when they took it away.

  383. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:07 pm

    TomR

    You just prove to me that ALP supporters are deceitful

    You should make an attempt to tell the truth from time to time but you are incapable of it.

    It is why most ALP policies fail. They are based upon deceit.

  384. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:34 pm

    You should make an attempt to tell the truth from time to time

    I’ve asked you repeatedly to show where I have lied nIl

    You could put up or shut up

    Or just keep on rambling like an Idiot.

    It is a free world 😉

  385. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:01 pm

    Well i don’t have a link but you told me the Coalition cut funding from the time they started office in 2013. You know the days of entitlement were over implying they were going to get no money. Holden was always going to get the $275m/year promised until 2022. But they wanted double that after Ford left.

    As long as Holden continued manufacturing they were always going to get the funding promised.

    You have now changed the story/topic. This recent funding cut which was reinstated only occurred after Holden announced they were leaving. There would have been no cuts if they had stayed until 2022. Why fund from 2017-2022 if they are not here?

  386. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:42 pm

    Well i don’t have a link but you told me the Coalition cut funding from the time they started office in 2013.

    I’d encourage you to get the link nIl before you embarrass yourself any further.

  387. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:31 pm

    TomR

    No embarrassment.

    You have told lie upon lie.

    You are the reason i will never believe anything an ALP supporter says.

    Funding was there until 2020.

    You said otherwise for political purposes.

    Like most ALP supporters you cannot tell the truth.

    Truth is not in your DNA

  388. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:56 pm

    The truth would be in the link you haven’t yet supplied nIl 😉

  389. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:37 pm

    Why don’t you remind me what you said?

    My recollection is that you said the Coalition stopped funding the car industry.

    Not true. Funding was there till 2022.

    What happened is that after Ford left Holden went back to Hockey and asked for double what was promised. Hockey said no. What was promised was all the were going to get.

  390. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:48 pm

    Why don’t you remind me what you said?

    Are you for real? You cannot remember what it is you are accusing of being a liar for?

    That takes some Chutzpah ;lol

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:01 pm

    No. I do not have a link for what you said. Why don’t you remind me?

    I guess i could spend hours searching for what you said. i will give it a go if you do not say what you said about the Coalition cutting funding to the car industry.

    There were no cuts. Hockey did tell them in no uncertain terms that they would not be getting the extra money they were asking. What was promised was all they were going to get.

  392. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:06 pm

    No. I do not have a link for what you said. Why don’t you remind me?

    You’re the one calling me a liar you pelican. At least you could have the common decency to remember what for.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:50 pm

    I remember what you said. You said the Coalition cut funding to the car industry.

    There were no cuts as long as they continued to make cars in Australia.

    Come on TomR. It should not be too hard to remember what you said. Why don’t you post it again.

  394. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:53 pm

    You said the Coalition cut funding to the car industry.

    I thought that would be a pretty straight forward argument, considering they are now re-instating it? 🙂

  395. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:02 pm

    More deceitfulness.

    You have got to be the biggest liar to post on the internet. There were not cuts as long as they continued to make cars in Australia

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/08/28/rostrum-18/#comment-71576

    Check your history nil, they left after hockey told them to fuck off!

    the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

    No, the subsidies were not stopping. They were to continue until 2022 if they continued to make cars in Australia.

    TomR you are a man with no ethics or honesty. You suit the ALP perfectly

  396. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:02 pm

    Oh…………we are still talking about the Car Industry over here.

    Could we switch subject to say……………………………….retrospective Negative Gearing perhaps ?

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:20 pm

    … retrospective Negative Gearing perhaps ?

    Or say … just negative gearing … and the many benefits to its removal …

    I have a link 🙂

  398. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:22 pm

    Walrus

    I just want TomR to tell the truth for once. he told me many times that Holden left because the subsidies were cut.

    Not true. Subsidies were there until 2022 as long as Holden and Toyota and Ford continued to make cars in Australia.

    The man TomR wiggles like a worm. He is a totally deceitful man who cannot tell the truth

  399. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:28 pm

    the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

    Did the subsidies stop nIl?

    Are they now being re-instated because ….. who fucken well knows.

    he told me many times that Holden left because the subsidies were cut.

    And yet all you manage to dredge up was me saying “were stopping”, which, if I’m not mistaken, or am myself a Timelord, differs markedly from “were cut” quite substantially in the more generically understood Timeline continuum 😆

  400. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:28 pm

    “Or say … just negative gearing … and the many benefits to its removal … ”

    I agree.

    It should only be applicable to new housing stock

  401. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:29 pm

    From a certain immediate date not affecting existing arrangements………………..of course

  402. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:33 pm

    It should only be applicable to new housing stock

    Why not existing houses wally, if you don’t mind?

  403. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:36 pm

    “Did the subsidies stop nIl?”

    No. They did not stop as long as they continued to make cars in Australia.

    Now they are leaving there is a discussion as to whether we should continue with subsidies. Why fund then from 2017-2022 if they will not be here?

    You wiggle like a worm. No wonder most ALP policies fail. They are designed by people with no ethics.

  404. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:39 pm

    No. They did not stop as long as they continued to make cars in Australia.

    Well, perhaps if hockey hadn’t bullied them out of the country, we would know.

    But when a grubmint runs around telling people they are not going to subsidies business, and the treasurers taunts them in parliament, the future for them is pretty clear.

    The subsidies stopped, as was threatened. But now, they are back?

    Is it because the job is done?

    Or is it so they won’t leave with an election coming up?

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:45 pm

    LOL! Good on ’em!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/christian-group-attempt-to-present-the-prime-minister-with-solar-panels-for-kirribilli-house/story-fnjww010-1227268114643

    BTW don’t we own Kirribilli House? It’s not The Mad Abbott’s decision … 88% is a majority anywhere …

  406. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:54 pm

    TomR

    You are a liar.

    For the one millionth time. The auto industry knew there were subsidies until 2022.

    What happened is that Ford left and then the remaining auto makers wanted even more money. Hockey told them to get lost. $275M/year is all they were getting.

    Why be dishonest? Is it because you cannot tell the truth. Telling lies helps nobody.

  407. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:58 pm

    “”Why not existing houses wally, if you don’t mind?””

    Overseas buyers supposedly cant buy existing houses and building sector drives Big Box Retail and TB would like to see the upcoming extinction of a few CAs.

    New Houses/Apartments . I’d like to se restrictions on houses for OS buyers. But I’m happy to sell them as much high rise as they like.

    Airspace is pretty much unlimited in supply (to a point)

  408. March 18, 2015 5:44 pm

    I’m happy to sell them as much high rise as they like. Airspace is pretty much unlimited in supply (to a point)

    Cool this would look nice in your back yard

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