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Christopher “the Fixer” Pyne

March 17, 2015

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 9:10 am

    That’s priceless reb

    I have to repost this here now you have this thread up

    Poor old “save MyABC pyne” has had his arse well and truly handed to him. And, in the process, caused a journo to look further into lib failures. Finally

    Christopher Pyne’s higher education reforms are a smoking ruin.

    The National Tertiary Education Union points to the costly mess the Abbott government has made by encouraging private providers in the Vocational Education and Training sector. Changes there have cost almost $2 billion and have been open to blatant profiteering. The union’s Jeannie Rea says it shows how an open market gets out of control.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/03/16/f-fail-pyne-reforms-slammed-senate/

  2. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 9:12 am

    Mr Fixit indeed 😉

  3. March 17, 2015 9:49 am

    What a tosser…

  4. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:03 am

    “The political acumen of some of the vice chancellors is open to question,” Labor’s higher education spokesman Kim Carr told reporters in Canberra on Tuesday.

    The “political acumen”………………………………..?

    “”The political acumen of some …………”

    I think 50 out of 51 is a bit more than some

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/labor-takes-swipe-at-university-chiefs/story-fni0xqi3-1227265767424

  5. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:04 am

    The real question is, how many jobs have we lost already with pynes threats to funding?

    criticising the Minister for funding uncertainty which has left 1,700 science jobs at risk, and allegedly undermined billions of dollars of investment.

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/03/05/ante-just-got-upped-christopher-pynes-high-stakes-game-over-university-funding

  6. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:08 am

    And this is why pyne and yabot threatened all those scientists and destroyed who knows how much potential. All in the ideology

    Threats about research funding and changes to its higher education legislation reveal just how desperate the Abbott Government is to deregulate higher education fees. It’s clearer than ever that this is ideology in search of a problem

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-16/parker-uni-deregulation-ideological-motives-laid-bare/6323014

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:09 am

    Pyne is in a fix but apparently the fix is in (the budget)!

  8. March 17, 2015 10:12 am

  9. March 17, 2015 10:22 am

    I think 50 out of 51 is a bit more than some

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:51 am

    I think 50 out of 51 is a bit more than some

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    I think Wally means 40 (public) universities …

    (There are 43 universities in Australia: 40 public universities, two international universities, and one private university.

    Still, who knows what he means … he lives in retrospective universe himself …

  11. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:52 am

    But rebs not a blogger

    He’s a citizen journalist.

    I note brandi doesn’t address THEM!

  12. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:54 am

    Still, who knows what he means

    I had assumed he’d accidentally pasted the number of chair rotators he was claiming this year compared with last years in his taxation rip off scheme. claims.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:02 am

    Brandis really is a wally … has no idea of the modern world of communication, technology and digital social interaction …

    Luckily we rarely use our telephones … and VPN is relatively cheap …

    Every time I see Brandis I imagine him with an SS uniform holding a big white fluffy cat!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see Jockey claims rents will rise if negative gearing goes … but no-one asked him HOW or WHY!

    Wonder why? Just how many journalists, TV news/CA comperes and politicians own property with negative gearing? It’s another wannabe Robber Baron stitch up!

  14. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:04 am

    I see Jockey claims rents will rise if negative gearing goes … but no-one asked him HOW or WHY!

    Perhaps he assuming it will go as he starts using peoples super to inflate house prices?

  15. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:06 am

  16. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:49 am

    “”Negative gearing didn’t lead to higher rents outside Sydney and Perth. “”

    If Total Bullshit from Qld has his way they will.

    He wants it retrospectively.

    And he should know since he ran his own business, was conscripted into the Army, claims knowledge of OH&S and says he’s a self funded retiree that relies on Centrelink.

    He knows everything……….!

    And don’t argue……….after all……………………have YOU wore da uniform ?

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 11:51 am

    That guy from the grattan institute was very good on qanda last night tomR, he spoke sense and whipped out his facts and figures in a flash – hockey looked shocked at first and then did his usual blustering and “that’s not true” routine when caught out lying.

    If the govt. thinks that they can get by with expecting people to just take them at their word they are sadly mistaken.

    I also suspect Joe’s rage and fairfax defamation suit is more about his resume and career after politics than any reputation to protect now. Why highlight all the north shore cash shovelling?

    Our political system is very broken.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:01 pm

    If Total Bullshit from Qld has his way they will.
    He wants it retrospectively…

    Bit nasty [again] walrus. You know very well he never said that at all, you’re just shit stirring to goad a shark to bite your flimsy tiddler line. None of us have ever promoted retrospective negative gearing as govt policy.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:03 pm

    Like I said … Wally lives in his own rotating but parallel universe …

    He wants it retrospectively.

    Even thinks people believe what he interprets … 40 becomes 50 … negative gearing won’t put rents up … repeal becomes retrospective … laaa de da de da …

    Oh and BTW I don’t claim knowledge of OH&S I have knowledge and extensive experience … don’t know why that bothers him …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Our political system is very broken.

    Oh, yes, KL

    … just had an “in depth” discussion with The Minister to explain metadata retention and government “use” … hadn’t got very far when she said, “… but that takes away our freedom of speech …!”

    There is going to be a lot of very surprised and pissed off people when this bill is passed …

    … what irks me is the support from the ALP …

    Way too many hidden agendas …

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:06 pm

    As I said last night, KL … pity Wally isn’t as gracious as TR and concede he was mistaken …

    Most of us have conceded points over the years that’s what good debate is about …

  21. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:11 pm

    “”None of us have ever promoted retrospective negative gearing as govt policy.””

    You did…………and he agreed with you 100%.

    Its only once the destructiveness of such a policy is pointed out to you that you start wriggling.

    Do I really need to pull up your exact quotation again ?

  22. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:13 pm

    “”………and concede he was mistaken … “”

    You have missed a “technicality”” with that comment.

    it being “I wasn’t” LOL

  23. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:15 pm

    “”Bit nasty [again] walrus…….””

    Oh do fuck off KL.

    He’s the one carrying on with the Willie Wanker stuff each day even when I have not even commented.

    So I shall now address him as TotalBullshit from Qld.

    It fits too .

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:37 pm

    … what irks me is the support from the ALP …
    Way too many hidden agendas …

    The greens and nick zenophon have been the only ones trying to protect the public from what the duopoly is up to with these bills.

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:46 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/mar/17/metadata-deal-between-labor-and-coalition-stirs-controversy-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-55076e59e4b085eabdb77a22

    …Just back to the caucus metadata debate, we will chase more particulars of course, but on the current facts, this broad point can be made: the Labor caucus has reached the end of its tolerance for simply rubber stamping national security proposals from the Coalition.

    This end of internal tolerance is multi-factorial: part principle, part recognition that not enough detailed work was done on the first two tranches of legislation, part left wing MPs feeling some heat at the local level from the Greens and from their own progressive voters; and in this specific instance, a wary eye on growing opposition from the media industry.

    Interesting times…

    Labor MPs still nervous about metadata

    The Labor caucus has met this morning and (not surprisingly) metadata has been one of the items on the agenda. It sounds like a substantial debate – which went for almost an hour. There were 15 speakers.

    Senator Doug Cameron and a couple of other MPs, including Fremantle’s Melissa Parke, expressed concern that Labor had not gone far enough in the current negotiation with the government. Lots of questions about the detail. Some contributions were hedged – along the lines that Labor has achieved great progress through the intelligence committee and subsequently – and we need to keep going.

    Caucus passed a resolution to support passage of the metadata bill contingent on the government producing satisfactory amendments…

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:54 pm

    …“”None of us have ever promoted retrospective negative gearing as govt policy.””
    You did…………and he agreed with you 100%.
    Its only once the destructiveness of such a policy is pointed out to you that you start wriggling.
    Do I really need to pull up your exact quotation again ?

    Yes, you do and the link to it please, I still recall that I quoted or linked to an article saying how we could get the budget into surplus overnight and that would have been the reasoning in my statement. What I can’t recall is where I quoted that link, it may have appeared in another thread at a different time.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 12:54 pm

    Oh do fuck off KL.

    I recall this sort language from the first day I read your comments, Wally … and every other time you’ve tried to mask your persona with a new name … ’till you gave up …

    The reason I’ve been calling you Willie Wanker is because you refuse to admit that I have not used the word retrospective but repeal (knowing – as most intelligent commenters here do – that it could never be retrospective because too many greedy, rich folk have fed off the welfare … I’ve also explained and shown evidence … that I have never believed in retrospective laws … they damage society … even rich bastards who limit their tax as much as possible …

    You might think you’re clever but you really only make yourself look silly by putting words in other people’s comments to prove your own position … its called being deceitful …

    Now … a simple concession that on the balance of probabilities, after reading my comments for a decade … I didn’t refer to retrospective nor use the word … would be nice …

  28. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:06 pm

    “”… I didn’t refer to retrospective nor use the word … would be nice …””

    You did

    You agreed with KL plus you have had plenty to say on the subject previously as I pointed out.

    Last week I agred with a couple of others that my use of the word taxpayer was wrong so I admitted such and substituted it with Treasury. Yes I admitted it.

    Something YOU wont do

    I’m not backing down.

    You should just admit the same thing and that you should have stated “phasing out”of neg gearing.

    I did…….it aint hard.

    But you wont !

    You are the one being the arrogant prick

    So if you aint going to admit it……..so be it……….FUCKING MOVE ON FROM IT.

    I’m bored of you going on about it with your snipes as I’m sure others are

    I’m not backing down.

    So get over yourself

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:32 pm

    …You agreed with KL plus you have had plenty to say on the subject previously as I pointed out…

    Still waiting, please link to where I advocated for retrospective negative gearing.

  30. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:42 pm

    “”Still waiting, please link to where I advocated for retrospective negative gearing.””

    Stop playing games KL. You only posted it last week and got all defensive afterwards .

    You said “technically I was incorrect”…………………….whatever that means.

    Go find it yourself and you should get over yourself too and move on.

    Because I’m not revisiting it

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:45 pm

    You are the one being the arrogant prick

    So if you aint going to admit it……..so be it……….FUCKING MOVE ON FROM IT.

    I’m bored of you going on about it with your snipes as I’m sure others are

    I’m not backing down.

    So get over yourself

    You made the comment and attributed it to me … because you obviously fear a retrospective law …

    … simply withdraw the comment (’cause I KNOW I didn’t/wouldn’t use the word) …

    … or the “sniping” will continue …

    All you have to do is provide links … where I have used the word “retrospective” … I know how laws are structured … it is NOT something I would say (or even think) …

  32. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:49 pm

    “”… or the “sniping” will continue … “””

    So be it TotalBullshit of Queensland

  33. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:50 pm

    “”… because you obviously fear a retrospective law … “”

    And don’t assume you know anything about my $ you arrogant prick

  34. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 1:53 pm

    So be it TotalBullshit of Queensland

    Is retrospective sniping allowed? 😯

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/03/06/rostrum-melbourne-etiquette-edition/#comment-98436

  35. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 2:02 pm

    Who is the fixer, who is the trasher?

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 2:06 pm

    Stop playing games KL. You only posted it last week and got all defensive afterwards

    Not defensive, I suspected you of quoting out of context and trying to put words in my mouth [something you do all the time].

    Well link to it then, or I wil assume that you have quoted me out of context for your gotcha moment. You so relish it that you have to keep bringing it up.
    No, I don’t remember anything of the sort, I remember you trying to verbal me and quoting an unlinked few sentences. But I would really like to see the original and where I have actually advocated for RETROSPECTIVE negative gearing. To be honest, it never crosses my mind. I have loads of form in advocating for an end to negative gearing butI can’t recall saying anything about retrospectivity.

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 2:16 pm

    Back to the topic – the negative gearing debate should be about tax policy. The fact that you can deduct interest expenditure which is incurred for both capital and revenue purposes is wrong. The deduction should be apportioned. That issue should be addressed as a general rule for all interest deductions rather than on a case by case basis. The sooner the better.

    The impact on demand for real estate is neither here nor there. Housing price increases are essentially a supply issue anyway. That is how governments regulate this Ponzi scheme.

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  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 2:47 pm

    In other news, more sneaky coalition and a useless labor.

    It’s crikey paywall so have cut & pasted [scroll past if too long]

    Coalition wedged on media as Brandis sneaks away from protections:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/03/17/coalition-wedged-on-media-as-brandis-sneaks-away-from-protections/

    …The media revolt on data retention forced the government and opposition to cave in on protecting journalists — while George Brandis tried to sneak through a get-out clause for agencies.
    It took less than 72 hours for the politicians to crumble: after Laurie Oakes sounded reveille for a media onslaught on the government’s mass surveillance laws on Saturday — following a week of inept government efforts to calm the industry down — by Monday lunchtime first Labor, then the Coalition had buckled on the issue of protecting journalists.

    Inflict mass surveillance on ordinary citizens easy as you please, but whatever you do, don’t upset the media…

    …Suddenly the Byrne proposal was Labor’s lifeline to preserving its standing with the media despite rolling over on data retention. Faced with an alliance between Labor and all the major media players, the government decided yesterday to abandon the field rather than fight. The wedgers had been wedged — though not by any effort on the part of Labor…

    …In fact, the amendments will not implement the committee’s recommendation. Under the model recommended by JCIS, any time agencies seek to access journalists’ metadata to identify their sources, they would have to report that to either the Commonwealth Ombudsman or, for security agencies, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security. And both of those bodies would in turn be required to immediately report the effort to hunt down sources to JCIS. That is, the committee itself would know, in real time, if agencies were going after journalists’ sources, and be able to interrogate agencies on the matter using changes it recommended elsewhere in the report on its oversight of the broader scheme.

    That’s not what Brandis says he is legislating, however. Brandis’ detailed response to the recommendation 27 proposes that agencies will only have to tell the Ombudsman or IGIS that they’ve gone after a journalist and their source “as appropriate at the next relevant inspection”. And when they’re told of it, the Ombudsman and IGIS won’t report it to the committee, but to the Attorney-General, who will only tell JCIS once a year about the number of times journalists have been targeted.

    The result: no more JCIS oversight of the targeting of journalists. Brandis — at the behest of security agencies and AGD, who viscerally hate the idea of additional scrutiny — has tried to pull a fast one. We’ll see today if his bill reflects that, or whether he’ll do what he says he’s doing, which is implementing the recommendations of the committee…

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:14 pm

    Madame speaker is very stern today, lots of threats of being chucked out.

    Lovely green tie on barnaby joyce, artistically matching his red face [HT to tosy] the PM sticking with his trademark misogyny blue.

  42. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:24 pm

    lots of threats of being chucked out.

    8 in all today Armchair. Not a bad days body count 😉

    I actually watched a bit, and bishop the asbestos was asked if she could explain the tender process for the subs.

    She answered that if they knew anything about security, they wouldn’t need to ask that 😯

    And, apparently, that was a sterling “answer” ROFL

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:27 pm

    more crikey

    Rundle: one cheer for Clive, unlikely saviour of the Left:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/03/17/rundle-one-cheer-for-clive-unlikely-saviour-of-the-left/

    …Will Clive stick around at all? Without the balance of the balance of power, it’s going to be mighty boring there. He is criticised for poor attendance in the Reps, but really, what does it matter?

    That’s just part of the rhetoric around our pseudo-democracy — that the entire backbench of the Coalition might suddenly split down the middle, and the budget will hang on one vote, and it will all be down to one independent …

    But that’s been par for the course with the passing Palmer parade — stuff that goes on under the cover of party politics all the time gets special attention when Palmer does it.

    Thus we are shocked shocked to see the conflict of interest with a multimillionaire taking a seat in Parliament — as opposed to having had a Labor PM with a $150 million-plus family fortune gained from a labour supply firm, a Treasurer with a family fortune of $15 million-plus based on banking and investments, and a Communications Minister who made $200 million-plus on communications. Honestly …

    There is rejoicing in the land at Clive’s demise, not on party politics lines, but on general propriety lines. That is ridiculous. All Clive did was to show up how un-democratic our system is and how easily it could be gamed. If it’s possible for anyone to do what Palmer did — because of the absence of election spending caps, for example — then it’s the system that needs to be changed. The alternative is to expect all multimillionaires to be perfectly virtuous as regards politics — a long shot.

    Furthermore, whether people like it or not, Palmer proved to be the vital block, whereby the Abbott government’s horror budget, and its whole post-election strategy, could not pass — and in fact, came apart entirely. Had there been a crossbench consisting of eight entirely independent senators (or seven plus one extra Liberal), the odds of the Coalition getting the budget through — the co-pay, the dole malarkey, the higher ed charges — would have been much higher.

    And had it got those changes through, the government would have been in a much better place. Abbott’s gaffes would have appeared as the eccentricities of a PM who got a budget through and set an agenda. Now, with the budget collapsing in shambles, Abbott’s gaffes serve as stark reminders of a wider incompetence.

    That was the Clive effect, like it or not. More than that, it was Palmer who was willing to talk a simpler language of morality about things like the co-pay and its effects on pensioners, and the four little old ladies from Maroochydore (whatever their deal actually was …). Labor couldn’t hit that note, or didn’t even try.

    How important was that budget defeat? For the government, very, and not in a good way. But it was also important for the things themselves. We’re passing through a crisis for the Right, and for their neoliberal/neoconservative policies, and if things like the creeping privatisation of the health system can be held off, they can pretty much be taken off the table. But if they get through, it is far more difficult to reverse them.

    So one cheer for Clive Palmer, whatever happens now…

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:33 pm

  45. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:40 pm

    “”You so relish it that you have to keep bringing it up.””

    Pot meet Kettle

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:51 pm

    Just finished watching the Johnny Worriker Trilogy with Bill Nighy … if you like good British drama based on today’s Western government’s scaremongering and money trails, torturing and detentions …

    I highly recommend it …

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 3:57 pm

    Pot meet Kettle

    got that link yet??

    Thought so.

    kettle burned himself on his own steam after boiling dry.

  48. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:04 pm

    Yeah whatever !

  49. March 17, 2015 4:09 pm

    “”Thought so.””

    chuckle. 🙂

  50. March 17, 2015 4:11 pm

    “”Thought so.””

    Or as Christopher Pyne might put it…

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:12 pm

    (remember how my surfboard was stolen? I’ve got it back! i saw someone surfing it over the weekend and I retrieved it!!)

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:17 pm

    “”You so relish it that you have to keep bringing it up.””

    Pot meet Kettle

    And I’ll keep bringing it up …

    Where’s your proof of this … you made stuff up and got called out … this was your original comment in reply to sb … to my knowledge I hadn’t even been involved …

    “”Are you assuming the changes will be retrospective?””

    That’s what a certain contributor on here is implying on a regular basis. Of course now he will deny it.

    Otherwise the contribution to the forward revenues are negligible.

    HinT: Think Robber Barons……………..then Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn !

    On new builds you’d have to announce the changes in 2 or 3 years hence. Otherwise there are a lot of projects yet to be started that will fallover immediately with the deposits of many “”off the plan”” purchasers.

    I denied it alright because its not true … YOU made it up … to snipe at me and now accuse me of sniping at you …

    And this is your proof ???????

    “”It’s been pointed out many times how we can get back to surplus almost overnight and it’s not austerity for the poor.Tackle the middle class giveaways, the superannuation and negative gearing””

    armchair opinionator
    January 28, 2015 10:53 am

    “”The quick fix is to have a 20% across the board tax on anything earned … no special treatment no tax returns 20% for ALL tax … (including GST but with an increase for those on government welfare to cope – as they did originally) … wonder how businesses would cope with actually paying 20%?
    And as KL mentioned earlier …
    Repeal negative gearing*
    Dismantle every family trust in and out of Australia* “”

    TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2015 11:56 am

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/01/27/tony-abbott-and-prince-philip-beknighted-and-benighted/

    Note the 2 partners in crime and the use of use of …..

    “we can get back to surplus almost overnight

    AND

    “”The quick fix is to have ……..””

    And as KL mentioned earlier …
    Repeal negative gearing*…………………”

    Pretty conclusive I’d say as to your attitude…………you clearly agreed with Kitty

    But keep back peddaling……………….you do it so often you are getting better at it.

    No apology LOL

    Where’s the word RETROSPECTIVE from KL or me? You used the term … and BTW “forward estimates” are just that – estimates …

    Here’s my proof (again) that I don’t believe in retrospectives – unless its to get the truth …

    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/message-from-reb/

    Aug 3, 2009 – TB Queensland, on August 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm said: ….. even then and I found the idea of retrospective laws to be a real worry and still do.)..

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:19 pm

    (remember how my surfboard was stolen? I’ve got it back! i saw someone surfing it over the weekend and I retrieved it!!)

    HEY! Great news, ToM … was it retrieved – erm, …. gently?

  54. March 17, 2015 4:20 pm

    Excellent news ToM… Spill the beans.. How did you “retrieve” it…?

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:32 pm

    I saw them paddling around, and thought it looked like my board. When they came in I said – “that’s my board and it was stolen a few weeks ago, you can just hand it over, and I won’t call the police” etc…

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:33 pm

    …and being such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:43 pm

    …and being such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance…

    Well done tomM, did they deny the theft at all, or just admit to the theft straight away?

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:45 pm

    “…and being such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance.”

    I assume then that “they” was a smallish 12 year old and his little sister.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:53 pm

    …I assume then that “they” was a smallish 12 year old and his little sister…

    hehe, I assumed two puny, prepubescent 12 yr olds, but I didn’t want to be unkind 😉

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:55 pm

    They bought it from a “friend”

    But, but, but… it was a very large 12 year old

  61. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:56 pm

    “”I assume then that “they” was a smallish 12 year old and his little sister.””

    LOL

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2015 4:56 pm

    (an adult backpacker)

  63. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:03 pm

    “”“”The quick fix is to have a 20% across the board tax on anything earned … wonder how businesses would cope with actually paying 20%?””

    20% on turnover I assume you mean. No deduction for overheads.

    “No Claims” at all meaning no deductions

    Would you like to confirm that ?

  64. March 17, 2015 5:03 pm

    “”…and being such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance.””

    That’s just what I was thinking.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:10 pm

    They bought it from a “friend”

    LOL! How much for?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “No Claims” at all meaning no deductions

    Would you like to confirm that ?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:11 pm

    Yer point being that no deductions is immediate? LOL!

    Ever heard of grandfathering?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:14 pm

    How long do you think it takes to get new laws up?

    Especially ones that will put so many shiny arses out of work … ahhhhh …

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:16 pm

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:18 pm

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:20 pm

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:23 pm

  72. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:24 pm

    “”Especially ones that will put so many shiny arses out of work … ahhhhh …””

    Unless people stop wanting Estate planning and business valuations etc you are pissing into the wind with that one……………………..wet feet as usual

  73. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:26 pm

    So you have no desire to elaborate on your new laws “phased in”” (there I said what you should have said) over lets say 3 to 5 years

  74. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:44 pm

    And here is todays outrage.

    Obviously the PM of Ireland doesn’t leave his Mansion in Dublin very much or perhaps wander along Temple Bar and its various laneways

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-st-patricks-day-message-causes-offence-in-ireland-20150317-1m10h4.html

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:44 pm

    So you have no desire to elaborate on your new laws “phased in”” (there I said what you should have said) over lets say 3 to 5 years

    None at all …

    Because you’re fudging again …

    You accused me of calling for retrospective laws … these laws are always “phased in” – its usually referred to as grandfathering … and you should know that in your chosen trade.

    You accused me of saying something I disbelieve in let alone would say …

    And now you tell me I “should have said”! To agree with what you accused me of?

    FMD!

    This is the question for you – have I ever used thee terms retrospectively or retrospective laws in relation to negative gearing in my comments?

    Yes or no?

    If the answer is yes … then show me.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:54 pm

  77. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 5:59 pm

    I’m not revisiting your obsession as frankly I’m bored with it and so are many I suspect.

    As I have said on a number of occasions you should just move on.

    I’m asking about your other “”proposal””

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:05 pm

    As I have said on a number of occasions you should just move on.

    Answer my question and I’ll gladly move on … false accusations are not obsessions …

    You’ve always told people what to do it seems … don’t work with everyone …

  79. March 17, 2015 6:10 pm

  80. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:12 pm

    “Answer my question and I’ll gladly move on …””

    Ok……………..stay bogged in your mire.

  81. public toilet permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:14 pm

    Great news Sheriff of Melbourne!

  82. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:28 pm

    …and being such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance.

    So, you are saying that, because they were such a well built, muscle bound and intimidating type, they didn’t put up any resistance to you? 😯

    And here is todays outrage.

    I just finished listening to the bugle podcast, and Andy Altzman(?) finished it off by wondering if we’ll vote him back in just to see what he’ll do next

    I didn’t know if I should laugh or scream 🙂

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:44 pm

    Don’t worry about it TB, you’ll be the better person [because walrus is obviously incapable of it].

    I suspect walrus is much like tony abbott, the louder, more aggressive, more furious and unethical they come [that’s for the made up shit], the harder they fall.

    It ain’t easy for some to say sorry, I was a real jerk 🙂

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 6:57 pm

    Ok……………..stay bogged in your mire.

    If you get away with it this time – you’ll continue to do it … I’ve been reading your comments for ten years too … I’ve seen how you hound people … quite frankly you’re a bully and I only know one way to confront bullies … head on …

    And if you get away with it, with me, you’ll do it to someone else …

    Now find your evidence or apologise … easy choice …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks for the advice, KL … sorry you somehow got dragged into this …

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 7:00 pm

    … the Senate voted down the Liberals’ plan for $100,000 degrees.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 7:01 pm

    Pyne’s bill voted down in the senate …

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 7:07 pm

    FINALLY!

    A GROUP representing survivors of child sexual abuse by priests say the Catholic Archbishop of Adelaide is unlikely to be the last one charged with concealing a crime.

    PHILIP Wilson is believed to be the most senior Catholic official in the world to face charges of this nature.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/survivors-welcome-archbishop-sex-charge/story-e6frfku9-1227266855976

  88. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2015 7:18 pm

    “From Ireland we have Minister Tom Hayes, minister of state at the department of agriculture … that seems appropriate on St. Patrick’s Day and he’s accompanied by Mr Noel White, ambassador for Ireland to Australia.

    Madam Speaker, introducing distinguished visitors in the gallery, today, St Patrick’s Day.”

    …..

    Q: Ms Bishop, the Irish prime minister has made comments critical of Tony Abbott for his St Patrick’s Day message, maybe encouraging irresponsible consumption of alcohol on this most prestigious of days. I was wondering if the ambassador…

    Julie Bishop:

    Sorry, what’s the question?

    Q: I was wondering if the Irish ambassador has complained about Mr Abbott’s statement?

    Bishop:

    I have not had the Irish ambassador complain about a conspicuous consumption of alcohol.

    ……….

    Behind the prime minister, the education minister is making a gesture of reeling in a fish. Abbott is off on the great Shorten inteviews of all time. Like an Irish joke, he notes. Perhaps not entirely helpfully, given he’s already offended the Irish once today.

    And with the ambassador for Ireland to Australia in the Gallery

    Jesus wept.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/mar/17/metadata-deal-between-labor-and-coalition-stirs-controversy-politics-live#block-550798dae4b07784ec630403

  89. March 17, 2015 7:33 pm

    Don’t worry about it TB, you’ll be the better person [because walrus is obviously incapable of it].
    I suspect walrus is much like tony Abbott, the louder, more aggressive, more furious and unethical they come [that’s for the made up shit], the harder they fall.
    It ain’t easy for some to say sorry, I was a real jerk

    Let those who live in the falsity of fallible delusion, rot to crumble from the cancer of their own self inflated importance.

    even a dog knows when it is wrong, the difference is most are faithful

  90. March 17, 2015 8:23 pm

    “i saw someone surfing it”

    Yay, I just learned some surfspeak. I would have said (incorrectly, it seems), I saw someone surfing on it.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2015 8:29 pm

    Yay, I just learned some surfspeak.

    Surely that’s poor grammar … making excuses for other Grammar Police doesn’t really help your cause, ToSY … c’mon 🙄

  92. March 17, 2015 8:31 pm

  93. March 17, 2015 8:31 pm

  94. March 17, 2015 9:25 pm

    Pyne Voted down… seems he’s not that effective as a minister,,
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/labor-questions-judgment-of-vice-chancellors-for-backing-university-reforms/story-e6frgcjx-1227265988860

  95. March 17, 2015 9:25 pm

    ‘Surely that’s poor grammar’

    Que?

    http://grammarist.com/spelling/learned-learnt/

  96. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:45 pm

    “Now find your evidence or apologise … easy choice …”

    GO FUCK YOURSELF !

    I have given you the evidence

    And move on

    How many times do I have to say it to you Cnut !

    As to you KL

    given you past history of economic brain explosions KL you of all people on this Blog should never be given any benefit of the doubt insofar as your “eat the rich ” philosophy.

    And I don’t fucking care if I go the way of Egg.

    That’s Rebs call

    I have asked to move on you 2 won’t leave it alone
    because it’s you 2 that chose your words poorly

  97. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2015 10:51 pm

    And I notice you won’t even clarify as to how your 20% tax will work.

    You arrogant gutless prick !

  98. True Colours permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:38 am

    Poor form TB Queensland and armchair opinionator! You have both comprehensively pwned Walrus. We know he can never be wrong, so Mrs Walrus is probably being beaten to a pulp as we speak just because you’re right…

  99. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 6:15 am

    You arrogant gutless prick !

    Speaking of poor Grammar. C’mon wally, carnt ya lose ya shit with better Grammar? 😯

  100. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:25 am

    Considering most people consider progress to have gone backwards, then this could even be correct

    Of course, they have an interesting method of making “progress”. Progress for the big endo f town perhaps, not so much the little guy.

  101. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:32 am

    Rofl. This has nIl all over it

    Dear Labor stooge,

  102. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:38 am

    “”Speaking of poor Grammar””

    How dare you accuse me of that

    Here’s your punishment

  103. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:48 am

    “”You have both comprehensively pwned Walrus. We know he can never be wrong””

    Check your facts DICKHEAD !

    I have already admitted error in my use of Taxpayer instead of Treasury just last week you moron.

    Those who wont admit error are the 2 accused above

  104. March 18, 2015 9:11 am

    “”And I don’t fucking care if I go the way of Egg.””

    I don’t think you need to worry about that. You provide far too much entertainment value. Not to mention the occasional lucid observation when you’re not so incandescent with rage… 🙂

  105. March 18, 2015 9:11 am

    I think we should all have a whip ’round to buy Walrus a new keyboard.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2015 9:14 am

    Well thank you. It’s great to get my favourite board back, and to celebrate I’ve just ordered a new one. I don’t really surf longboards, but I’ve ordered a really fat longboard.

    People tell me that buying surfboards is a very cheap midlife crisis!
    ———————

    Re – Check your facts DICKHEAD ! etc…

  107. March 18, 2015 9:22 am

    I think we should all have a whip ’round to buy Walrus a new keyboard.

  108. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 9:30 am

    It is good to hear about the board though yomm. Unfortunately, the fact that it was found surfing locally again really just re-inforced the perception of the addled surfie. Not that that’s a bad thing 😉

    but I’ve ordered a really fat longboard.

    I didn’t realise they made my size boards. Maybe I’ll take it up 🙂

    I think I found the board for wally, or is this the one he already uses?

  109. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 9:31 am

    An Ode to our Punce Prince!

  110. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 9:38 am

    Wow, Open, Honest grubmint ROFL

    First, he said, they should talk about all the good things the government had done so far. When they finished, they should remind the journalist how bad Bill Shorten was. Then they should end the conversation.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/17/tony-abbott-tells-party-room-its-time-to-look-on-the-bright-side-of-life

    Business as usual then really.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:04 am

    And I notice you won’t even clarify as to how your 20% tax will work.

    You arrogant gutless prick !

    I accept I may be seen as arrogant by you (and others) … probably because of what I say and sharing all I have had the privilege of being able to achieve … and fail in, all the experiences and changes I’ve seen in my short life …

    And having an opinion often different to others … that offends many – especially when it turns out that I was right … arrogant? or just right? (Strangely most people choose the latter)

    … but I certainly object to “gutless” – never been my forte as my friends and family will attest … (in fact my children worry that I will intervene or comment/defend someone being wronged in the street” and be hurt for it – or worse …)

    Only one reason your language has become so “colourful, Wally …

    … you can’t provide any evidence for your accusation … and you know it …

    … you might have noticed too – in your black, angry fugue that KL and I (why you dragged her into this is beyond me) have remained calm (under the circumstances) …

    We both know – and all the regulars here … and the lurkers too … that you made a twit of yourself and tried to bluster through as you usually do …

    … one thing I’ve also noticed over the years of a variety of work and life experience 🙂 (that you obviously hold in contempt, in you posh swivel chair) is that bullies rarely deny that they are bullies when called out … they bubble and bluster …

    AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION – HERE”S A US REPUBLICAN (adviser to Ronald Reagan) WHO AGREES WITH ME (at a flat 12% tho’) …

    And I’ve been saying this for years too! (Since 1989 in fact after working in PNG)

    http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/business/NU1504H007S00#playing

    I suggest you revisit the foundations of your christian upbringing – I think it needs to be retrospectively revisited and repaired …

    Hopefully you may be a little more civil to other commenters here … in the future …

  112. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:12 am

    “”… (why you dragged her into this is beyond me)……””

    You seriously are a FUCKING denying idiot if you cannot recall that you were commenting on her original post and she started back pedalling with comments directed at me just like you did.

    Too late Dickhead

  113. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:23 am

    And as far as your policy of a 20% flat tax on turnover is concerned it demonstrates once again your paucity of knowledge of how many businesses in hospitality or FMCG work where their major overheads are usually rent, salaries/wages, interest. More often than not they are businesses where their margin on turnover is lower than 20 %.

    FMD you wont even give a deduction for state taxes like payroll tax

    To put it in technical terms……………………………you are an idiot.

  114. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:29 am

    Since this thread seems to be taken up by wally’s tantrum, would it be possible for the tantrummer to actually point the rest of us poor plebs to this massive slight inflicted upon him?

    Just so we can all see what massive liars they are 😉

  115. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:31 am

    I’m letting it go now for the fiftieth time until its brought up yet again by you know who

  116. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:38 am

    I’m letting it go now

    I’m guessing that’ll last right up until the next time you feel like abusing someone again 😉

    10 . 9 . 8. 7 . … 😆

  117. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:41 am

    “”I’m guessing that’ll last right up until the next time you feel like abusing someone again “”

    Shutup…………………………………………………..Ray Hadley is on the radio

  118. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:53 am

    “”……………your paucity of knowledge of how many businesses in hospitality or FMCG work where their major overheads are usually rent, salaries/wages, interest.””

    Not to mention Cost of Goods of course

    Seriously……………………………………(shakes head)

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 11:54 am

    Those who wont admit error are the 2 accused above

    rubbish, I was verballed by walrus just so he could have a go at TB, he says that I said something that I didn’t [and never have].

    He’s been asked to provide any evidence for his claim and can’t.

    Now he continues to lie about it. Pretty poor form really.

    He thinks that offence is the best form of defence because I see that he’s now going the personal attack.

    I’m happy to let the whole thing go, never cared much about it anyway until walrus kept repeating these lies about what I had supposedly said. Finally I had had enough yesterday and demanded he put up or shut up. He hasn’t put up, but he’s not shutting up either, which goes to character IMO.

    Being a WCP doesn’t allow you to lie and try to intimidate in order to win some kind of ‘victory’ in your little games walrus. It just makes you a prick.

    Best to stop digging.

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:00 pm

    …Since this thread seems to be taken up by wally’s tantrum, would it be possible for the tantrummer to actually point the rest of us poor plebs to this massive slight inflicted upon him?…

    He can’t and won’t, so he’ll abuse and accuse.

  121. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:13 pm

    offence is the best form of defence

    I see what you did there 😉

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:21 pm

    Being a WCP doesn’t allow you to lie and try to intimidate in order to win some kind of ‘victory’ in your little games walrus is better than not being a WCP.

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:25 pm

    Surely the high point of this discussion is this from Ricky:

  124. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:26 pm

    Meanwhile, back at the FixitFactory

    A legislative slap in the face on university reform may be the least of Christopher Pyne’s problems with voters in his home state of South Australia threatening to truncate his career as a Liberal MP.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christopher-pyne-facing-rumblings-of-dissent-in-home-state-of-sa-20150317-1m1f6b.html

  125. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:31 pm

    “”Dismantle every family trust in and out of Australia”” -TB

    Yet another bit of retrospective law making…………..otherwise how would you dismantle every future family trust .

    Quite a few families/individuals would be hit with capital gains tax plus not to mention property stamp duties. Taxes that they would never have foreseen.

    Lets hear the denials

  126. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 12:57 pm

    Denialists! 😆

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:03 pm

    Wally,

    You really are in a black fog … you don’t read links that answer your questions – by experts … and obviously didn’t watch the iView link I put up this morning … from a very right wing economist with a doctorate … (I know, I know he’s not a CPA …)

    You may recall that the concept of phasing in and grandfathering were discussed yesterday as you tried to fog the issue of me using the term retrospective

    In simplistic terms I do not expect to have to develop strategic and tactical approaches to any CONCEPT that I might raise on this forum …

    I did assume that laws of this Commonwealth of Australian would not be – as they have for two centuries – retrospective … how silly of me to assume that the level of intelligence and education displayed at TGT couldn’t allow for the one person supremely qualified in the area of tax not to know that …

    Back to the term retrospective (BTW a word dreaded by pensioners and SFR – that’s self funded retirees – we all know the consequences = suffering for the poorest) …

    Instead of asking me (nicely) if that’s what I meant … you assumed my position … and replied to a question from, sb … (not from me) and I quote – again!

    “”Are you assuming the changes will be retrospective?””

    That’s what a certain contributor on here is implying on a regular basis. Of course now he will deny it.

    Otherwise the contribution to the forward revenues are negligible.

    HinT: Think Robber Barons……………..then Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn !

    After providing evidence … that I have never been a supporter of retrospective legislation … you continue your blusterer and babble …

    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/message-from-reb/

    Aug 3, 2009 – TB Queensland, on August 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm said: ….. even then and I found the idea of retrospective laws to be a real worry and still do.)..

    Instead of destroying the credibility of myself and KL (in one fell swoop you thought) … I think its backfired …

    For the benefit of others here … I rest my case again … they can be the judge …

    But I won’t forget …

  128. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:13 pm

    “”Dismantle every family trust in and out of Australia”” -TB

  129. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:17 pm

    “”I did assume that laws of this Commonwealth of Australian would not be – as they have for two centuries – retrospective “”

    But let’s “”dismantle”” and bugger the other tax consequences which might be beyong the Commonwealth’s control ?

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:19 pm

    Wilkie to oppose dud metadata bills:
    http://www.andrewwilkie.org/content/index.php/awmp/home_news_extended/wilkie_to_oppose_dud_metadata_bills

    …“I oppose the metadata bill for a range of reasons,” Mr Wilkie said. “The most significant problem with the Government’s data retention proposal is that it is an unjustifiable and unreasonable extension of the power of the state.

    “Rather than expanding access to metadata, the Government should be doing quite the opposite and putting safeguards on what metadata access already exists. The fact is that authorities are already accessing metadata over 300,000 times a year without a warrant. Why should metadata be the exception when it comes to having your property searched?

    “When a data retention scheme was first proposed a few years ago it was on the basis that it would only be for national security purposes, but already we’ve seen the justification for the scheme expand to other forms of crime. This is just the sort of incrementalism which makes such reform especially problematic…

    …“In reaching this decision I was strongly influenced by my time on the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security in the 43rd Parliament, when the Committee conducted an investigation into metadata retention and received thousands of submissions from people very strongly opposed to the prospect. Frankly I’m in no doubt that the majority of Australians would not support this bill.”…

  131. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:23 pm

    ROFL

    We have reached Peak Stupid 😆

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:25 pm

    Don’t worry Wally … The Mad Abbott is in residence (for the time being anyway) … and most pollies will have negative geared properties and family trusts chipping away at reducing their tax – wealthy welfare – otherwise known as greed … while the nation crumbles around them …

    Nero was a whimp compared to today’s Robber Baron’s …

    The pollies are quite happy to dismantle the lives of the poor, the sick, the weak and the young and old … who aren’t born with a silver spoon ups their arses!

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:28 pm

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:29 pm

    “Quite a few families/individuals would be hit with capital gains tax plus not to mention property stamp duties. Taxes that they would never have foreseen.”

    Retrospectivity isn’t a simple concept.

    It is all in the implementation.

    John Howard introduced nakedly retrospective legislation with the Taxation (Unpaid Company Tax) Assessment Act in 1982. No warning just bad luck if you had entered into those transactions in the previous four years not knowing that the law would be changed.

    Most tax legislation is retrospective to the date of announcement. In that case you will be taxed on the basis of transactions you enter into after the announcement. But that still has many problems, especially if the new law is complex.

    The CGT legislation was announced on 19 Sept 1985 and took effect from that time even though the legislation was not seen until the following June. In one case the court acknowledged that the taxpayer could not have foreseen, on the basis of the announcement, the application of the CGT to his transaction in March but said: “To some the result may seem extremely unfair, but that is not a relevant consideration” and applied the tax anyway

    Often, existing arrangements are grandfathered and the law only applies to transactions after a particular date.

    Now, consider a proposal to tax trusts as companies (most politicians of both sides benefit from family trust arrangements. So that will never happen!)

    At its most innocuous, a decision to tax trusts as companies might apply only to trusts created after a specific date. Or it might have a phase-in period. Or it might apply to income earned or distributed after the legislation is enacted. None of these three examples is retrospective, strictly speaking. There is no actual or implied rule or promise that existing tax arrangements will persist in perpetuity.

    In addition, whether or not a change is strictly speaking retrospective, there are other ways of mitigating any harshness of the operation of the new law – there might be CGT exemptions or additional rollover relief for restructures from trust to company. States might widen their stamp duty restructure relief for a period to accommodate the changed law.

    My point is that just bellowing that something is “retrospective” doesn’t really add much to the discussion. The issue is whether or not the change is desirable in the long run and whether and to what extent harsh consequences can be mitigated by appropriate transitional measures.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:29 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:34 pm

    Thank you sb, for a very reasoned contribution and view.

  137. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:42 pm

    As kenny missing the more simplistic “No_ocracy” that yabot was so proud of displaying armchair?

  138. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 1:43 pm

    Is Kenny that should say 😉

  139. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:06 pm

    “”……….John Howard introduced nakedly retrospective legislation with the Taxation (Unpaid Company Tax) Assessment Act in 1982………….””

    I take your point(s) SB but that was to combat the Bottom of the Harbour Schemes and to claw back tax that was lost to that type of arrangement which was tantamount to fraud against the Revenue by deliberately causing insolvency after making others of zero means the directors of the companies involved.

    “”The issue is whether or not the change is desirable in the long run and whether and to what extent harsh consequences can be mitigated by appropriate transitional measures.””

    Agreed. Its all to do with phasing in. Something which others might mention when they talk about “overnight” fixes to the Budget. Which naturally implies a sense of “suddeness” which often comes from “repeals””

    Afterall has a country ever repealed the Death Penalty only for new convictions ?

    I can see the headline “”Indonesia phases out Death Penalty. 64 still to be executed”

  140. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:25 pm

    There’s probably more than a few who wished the death penalty could be retrospective 😦

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:50 pm

    …Agreed. Its all to do with phasing in. Something which others might mention when they talk about “overnight” fixes to the Budget…

    ‘Overnight’ always meant suggestions on how the budget could be easily fixed to get it into the surplus that the government was always screaming and ranting to the public about. Negative gearing was just one of those suggestions or ‘fixes’ put forward. It was never a debate on retrospectivity, but was obviously something that you wanted to bring in.

    As an accountant, it’s quite a valid point IMO, but something you could have introduced quite reasonably [just as sb did] without all the personal abuse, attacks, rage and fabrications because we hold a different political view to you.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 2:52 pm

    The TPP: an attack on our freedoms

    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/03/16/the-tpp-an-attack-on-our-freedoms/

    …I have a piece in Inside Story looking at the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

    Summary: It’s bad, and our only hope is that the US Congress will block it…

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:16 pm

    My point is that just bellowing that something is “retrospective” doesn’t really add much to the discussion. The issue is whether or not the change is desirable in the long run and whether and to what extent harsh consequences can be mitigated by appropriate transitional measures.

    Indeed … the concept of repealing the following:

    ♦ Negative gearing

    ♦ Family trusts ;and

    ♦ Post pollie perqs

    Is just that a concept – the method(s) of repealing are a different matter …

    Afterall has a country ever repealed the Death Penalty only for new convictions ?

    We not talking about the death penalty … we’re talking about removing middle/upper class welfare and those people finally paying reasonable tax … like everyone else …

    And I’m well aware of how government decisions change people’s lives and how those decisions eventually become meaningless … and often costly to the recipients and their families …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-vietnam-defence-training-planned/story-e6frfku9-1227267658863

    Being rich and not on welfare must be a shit!

    But … the age of entitlement is over … isn’t it?

  144. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:49 pm

    “”Being rich and not on welfare must be a shit!””

    I’m not rich…………………….I still live in a house without a lift

  145. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 3:53 pm

    “”…..‘Overnight’ always meant suggestions on how the budget could be easily fixed to get it into the surplus that the government was always screaming and ranting to the public about. Negative gearing was just one of those suggestions or ‘fixes’ put forward. It was never a debate on retrospectivity……….””

    We are going to have to permanently differ on that point.

    “”Övernight” and “”the budget could be easily fixed to get it into the surplus”” clearly implies “”ïmmediate”” which means no phasing in.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:12 pm

    I’m not rich…………………….I still live in a house without a lift

    Not aimed at you, Wally … yer just twitchy …

    I was talking about the multi millionaires (two families) I know whose kids received Austudy at uni … family trusts are not just tax havens … they are welfare robbers … (as an example)

  147. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:18 pm

    “”Wally … yer just twitchy … “”

    I think we can now agree that when CA’s see the words “”övernight”” and “”repeal”” used in close proximity to any legitimate piece of tax planning a certain primal fear is aroused which far exceeds that of any coming zombie apocalypse.

  148. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:19 pm

    Is a pensioner living in a $2M house exercising a Lifestyle Choice ?

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:27 pm

    Is a pensioner living in a $2M house exercising a Lifestyle Choice ?

    What’s your point?

  150. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:30 pm

    which far exceeds that of any coming zombie apocalypse.

    I get the distinct impression that the vast majority of people are in fact yearning for the Zombie Apocalypse.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 4:34 pm

    BTW Wally I read your comment on the Cars fred and chose not to contaminate TWO threads for the benefit of others …

  152. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 5:00 pm

    “”What’s your point?””

    Should the Treasury fund them ?????????????

  153. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2015 5:01 pm

    “”Not that there’s anything wrong with that.””

    I thought you were “living”” proof of its arrival

  154. March 18, 2015 5:38 pm

    Is a pensioner living in a $2M house exercising a Lifestyle Choice ?

    Totally depends on how much they paid for it and how much the pond scum ass wipes from the Real estate (far from reality IMHO) institute have inflated the housing market around them by driving bus loads of honkers and Chinese investors around to ream the market into inflated unaffordability ? Most suburbs close to railway corridors in Syney resemble Asia all thanks to asshole developers. bribing councils

    Why the fuck should a working class home in a newly fashionable area be deemed an asset to be sold because the Fiberal cunts cant manage the economy and their piggy donor mates want more action in the trough? ..

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 6:01 pm

    I think we can now agree that when CA’s see the words “”övernight”” and “”repeal”” used in close proximity to any legitimate piece of tax planning a certain primal fear is aroused which far exceeds that of any coming zombie apocalypse.

    😆

    Who knew those two words would be kryptonite? Turning a mild mannered mercurial, cardigan wearing, WCP into the prime squirter!

    toiletboss would be impressed!

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 6:11 pm

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 6:14 pm

    Abbott reckons a small business bribe will get him over the line.
    How does getting less revenue assist the budget?

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:08 pm

    “”What’s your point?””

    Should the Treasury fund them ?????????????

    Treasury doesn’t “fund” anyone … taxpayers do with our welfare system …

    Let me attempt to unravel your oblique question … did you mean … should a pensioner’s home be included in the assets test … if its worth $2M ?

    Is that what you meant to ask?

  159. March 18, 2015 7:10 pm

    This dysfunctional government epitomises feral..What do they think we were born yesterday forgetting their obstinate opposition to everything.. Their hypocrisy is astounding and mighty big chickens are comming home to roost in a mess of their own making.

    http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chaotic-scenes-in-the-senate-as-glenn-lazarus-demands-tony-abbott-apologise-for-calling-senators-feral-20150318-1m23mx.html

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:12 pm

    KL, nice pick-up … I left it alone deliberately … (seeing as how we are both baddies)

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:17 pm

    RP, I just read that link … Brandis is as incompetent as The Mad Abbott!

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:17 pm

    But then I knew that!

  163. March 18, 2015 7:27 pm

    I knew it!

    Walrus is Barnaby Joyce…..!!!!

  164. March 18, 2015 7:30 pm

    Without looking too deeply into it, I find plenty of what Leyonhjelm says noteworthy…and some of it beyond the divide between ideological impetus & profound nihilism…

    Anyhow…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/18/david-leyonhjelm-wants-native-wildlife-kept-as-pets-to-prevent-extinction

  165. March 18, 2015 7:33 pm

    True libertarians should be alarmed by the TPP..but aren’t.

    Go figure.

    It becomes a liberty rationalism whereby ‘Law Of The Fucking jungle’ trumps all…great if you’re already the hive of multinational exploitation, not so good for the rest of us.

    I’m Like This With The Devil…a toast to your death to myself coz I’m free…

  166. March 18, 2015 7:35 pm

    Splatterbottom is, arguably, a GIANT of a contributor!

  167. March 18, 2015 7:37 pm

    “”Splatterbottom is, arguably, a GIANT of a contributor!””

    I agree…!

    In fact a serious contender for The Gutter Trash Blogger of The Year Awards…!!!

  168. March 18, 2015 7:38 pm

    GUFFAW @ reb @ 7:27!

    So hard to stay above the fray!

  169. March 18, 2015 7:42 pm

    Splatterbottom regularly demonstrates the admirable capacity to hold a position just upon principle, not ideological lines in the sand.
    If everyperson was thus we could actually work shit out between us for the good of all…globally even.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:50 pm

    Splatterbottom is, arguably, a GIANT of a contributor!

    I agree … the adjectival phrases sometimes lead me astray … but yeah … as he has said before he and I have more in common than not …

    Agree with this too!

    If everyperson (sic) was thus we could actually work shit out between us for the good of all…globally even.

    In fact a serious contender for The Gutter Trash Blogger of The Year Awards…!!!

    While I agree …

    This bothers me a minim … what’s the prize award this time … I cannot keep cellophane wrapping the same fkn C&W CD, sreb! I keep telling you this!

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2015 7:56 pm

    Not only that, but I haven’t had to correct his grammar very often.

  172. March 18, 2015 7:58 pm

    “”I haven’t had to correct his grammar very often.””

    I think you mean “less frequently”..

    #Justsaying

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:16 pm

    Thank you

    **My correction of his grammar has been infrequent.

  174. March 18, 2015 8:19 pm

    ***My correction of his grammar has occurred less frequently.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:30 pm

    LOL! Apologies for upsetting the sarc and humour we all thrive on!

    ***My correction of his grammar has occurred less frequently.

    Than what? Who’s? Ahh, Wally’s … no one ever corrects Wally! oh shit – sarc alert*

    Enjoying a noice WT & soda *clinK* to imbibers … get fkd to temperance wallopers …

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2015 8:52 pm

    Thank you.

    Unlike some contributors, Splatterbottom’s grammar requires correction infrequently.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 10:08 pm

    …Splatterbottom is, arguably, a GIANT of a contributor!…

    I like his history lessons.

    What can I say, he’s an adult!

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2015 10:16 pm

    …Without looking too deeply into it, I find plenty of what Leyonhjelm says noteworthy…and some of it beyond the divide between ideological impetus & profound nihilism…

    He sounds like he’s speaking english and talking sense but when you look closely at what he says, it’s all a bit freakin’ crazy.

  179. March 18, 2015 10:17 pm

    The enemy has held three seasons
    Imparadised, whilst we writhed
    To psycho-dramas penned by aerial decree
    Now freed to plunder….
    Heaven torn asunder

  180. March 18, 2015 11:20 pm

    * ahem…I may have altered a word or two, here & there (ampersand…not FKN and! )

    Evening minuetto in a castle by the sea
    An arsehat more radiant than the TTP
    Lowered His Majesty’s mask to me
    The sublimest creature the Gods, full of fire
    Would marvel at making their Golem
    Infusing the air with His fragrant desire
    And my heart reeled with grave poetry….

    From grace I fell in love with Them (?)
    Scent and simpleton lure
    And jade woodland eyes that ushered in the arsehattery
    “Horrifyingly Patriotic, laden fantasies amid this warm Autumn night
    They lulled me away from the rich masquerade
    And together we clung in the bloodletting sewerage of jesus”
    Pearled moron, what spell didst thou cast on yon plasticminds?
    Your icy kiss fervoured their neck
    Like whispering waves ‘pon Anthony’s beach
    In a whirl of sweet voices and statues
    That phantomed the dying budget (from nearly 365 days ago mind you)
    This debauched Abetz in black will never!!!!! , took me….

    In a pale azured dawn like hoWARd reborn
    I tore free of my sleep – sepulchre
    On the tewwa misted lawn where stone figures, forlorn
    Lamented the spectre of Leftiststalinhitler
    Bewildered and weak, yet with passion replete
    I hungered for past barrels of tasty bacon
    The curse of unrest and Bolt’s ardent caress
    Came much more than my suspension of disbelief could endure….

    They at once endeavoured to see Him again
    Stirring from midnight’s inertia
    Knowing not even his name
    On a thin precipice over Islamic (squirt, squirt) abyss
    I danced like a blind acolyte
    Drunk on red wine, Rhodes’ dead lips on mine
    Suffused with the perfume of anti-scientism

    For hours I scoured the surrounding grounds
    In vain that we might meet Winston Churchill
    When storm clouds broke, ashened, fatigued
    I sought refuge in a mental cemeterty

    Sleep, usher dreams
    Taint to nightmares from a sunless nether

    Mistress of the dark
    I now know what thou art …

    to be continued

  181. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2015 9:38 am

    Here’s some retrospective legislation for ya.

    If you don’t like the signed contract just tear it up.

    Victoria…………………………….on its way to join SA as a financial basket case

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/state-government-considers-laws-to-avoid-paying-compo-for-scrapping-east-west-link/story-fni0fit3-1227268328412

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 19, 2015 10:44 am

    Thanks for the kind words. Obviously I am not offending people enough lately. I’ll try to be a more complete arsehole in future!

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2015 10:48 am

    Looks like it too … 🙂

    Just sayin’ …

  184. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2015 11:02 am

    “”I’ll try to be a more complete arsehole in future!”

    My book is on its way

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2015 11:11 am

    HD does a pretty good/interesting job on the commentary too.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2015 11:29 am

    HD of the BL … chuckle … long time ago … 🙂

    A fkn long time ago! 😮

  187. March 19, 2015 11:42 am

    “”HD does a pretty good/interesting job on the commentary too.””

    I concur. HD always provides a sensible antidote to Walrus’s rabid rants.

    It’s all about balance.

    The Yin and Yang thing.

  188. armchair opionator permalink
    March 20, 2015 6:57 am

    The late night fires were burning at the buffalo lodge, very creative thoughts.
    Is that called ‘slam’ poetry or was he just slammed!
    It hurt my head to work out what it means although I got the last bit about sleep beckoning before he passed out!
    Nice work.

  189. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2015 8:46 am

    If Senate Defeat Is Christopher Pyne’s Idea Of ‘Fixing It’, What Does Wrecking Higher Ed Look Like?

    ………..

    Nor is there truly a funding crisis. In the 2014 budget, the federal government allocated roughly $15.9 billion for universities, and $14.3 billion for secondary schools. Most of the schools funding went straight to non-government schools, with far fewer checks and balances than apply to universities. Yet we never hear any doomsday rhetoric from this government about a crisis in funding for private schools.

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/03/19/if-senate-defeat-christopher-pynes-idea-fixing-it-what-does-wrecking-higher-ed-look

  190. March 20, 2015 5:04 pm

    guardian”””””””Ludlam says the Labor leader Bill Shorten needs to be eyes wide open in this transaction.

    Do not throw this beleaguered failed prime minister a surveillance lifeline.

    The parliament is better than that, and this country needs an opposition at the moment.

    Get a warrant son. Greens senator Scott Ludlam, on ABC24, on metadata, and warrants for journalists – and for citizens.”””””””’

    #yep. there`s blib, being oh-so-different-exactly-the-same as mr-rabbit in privacy destruction, yay for no-warrant wire-taps #go.team!

  191. March 20, 2015 5:20 pm

    ao”””””In other news, more sneaky coalition and a useless labor.””””#agree .. #looking.more.like.another.non.choice.in.2016

    ao”””””It`s crikey paywall so have cut & pasted [scroll past if too long]””””””’#thanks-armchair 🙂 😉

  192. March 20, 2015 5:29 pm

    crikey””””””’Clive did was to show up how un-democratic our system is and how easily it could be gamed”””””

    #and how non-different the 2-big teams are. l disagree with crikey that its the `end` of clive, there are now several thousand pups in clives kennel

  193. March 20, 2015 5:41 pm

    blubbers””””And I don`t fucking care if I go the way of Egg””””#too.late .. #already.scrambled

  194. March 21, 2015 4:44 pm

    Limited News”””””””””””THE Andrews Government(#alp) has begun drafting legislation that could see it avoid paying compensation for scrapping the East West link.”””””

    blubbers”””’Victoria .. on its way to join SA as a financial basket case”””#agree

    #so blubbers, am l correct in assuming you think the 1.contract-must-stand and you are also happy to 2.have-this-president-stand of a govt in its death-throes too, remember its a double-edged sword, and will cut both ways. #victoria.disease.coming.soon

  195. March 22, 2015 9:43 am

  196. March 22, 2015 2:44 pm

    That’s GOLD Ricky!

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2015 6:11 pm

    That’s GOLD Ricky!

    Absofknlutely!

    They pissed themselves on Insiders this morning …

    I think they gave the Insiders’ editor credit …

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2015 6:19 pm

    But Pyne is right.

    41 out of 42 University heads or something like that want Pynes reforms.

    But Labor is blocking this.

    PS. TB if i want to know how to build a detention center or how to lock up kids in detention i will take notice of what you have to say.

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