Double Dissolution Just Wishful Thinking
***AN EXCLUSIVE GUTTER TRASH REPORT OF EXCLUSIVITY…!!!***
With thanks to our exclusive sources and LNP insider/whistleblower, The Gutter Trash can reveal that the Prime Minister, Minister for Women, and self-professed “Minister for Indigenous Affairs” (Tony Abbott), openly canvassed the prospect of taking this once great nation to the polls in a showdown ahead of the forecast 2017 timeframe in the form of a dramatic double dissolution election.
A double dissolution is generally brought on when a government is confident of winning an unscheduled poll and with the intention of securing a mandate to push through unpopular measures. It is seldom considered an option for a government languishing in the polls and with a PM as popular as anthrax.
The Gutter Trash has been told that the brain fart idea of going to a double dissolution election was raised at an LNP shindig following Monday afternoon’s cabinet meeting.
Some ministers were stunned that the issue was even raised as a possibility, given the government’s political situation. One described it as a “uniformly fucking stupid idea.”
It was raised in a general discussion in the context of the Coalition’s inability to get major changes through the Senate.
After its higher education proposals were voted down on Monday, Education Minister Christopher “”the fixer”” Pyne vowed to bring the bill back in the same form, and Abbott said on Wednesday the government would “have another go at this”.
The government has also indicated it could bring back the fair work (registered organisations) legislation which was voted down in early March.
Calling a double dissolution to break a parliamentary deadlock between the houses requires that a bill must be rejected twice, with three months in between the two votes, meaning the higher education and fair work bills could potentially become triggers by late June.
The government already has two double dissolution election triggers, but is unlikely to use either.
One is the clean energy finance corporation abolition bill and the other is the clean energy income tax rates and other measures amendment bill – which seeks to repeal the second round of tax cuts associated with the former government’s carbon tax.
The double dissolution teaser follows a litany of failures as the government struggles to pass any of its 2014 Budget measures through what it calls “a feral” senate.
theguttertrash.com 
Re the photo of Abbott
Some might see an image of a guy lamenting the futility of his inadequate effort.
I see vain man who combes his dyed hair over his bald patch and applies fake tan, also he’s a dud.
I see a man at peace with himself yomm, now that he has come around to the conclusion that the budget is NOT the fiscal disaster he (and his mates) painted it as both before the last election, and up to and including the day before yesterday.
It appears to have made a remarkable recovery. Or, to be more precise, debt is no longer bad.
Maybe, perhaps, we can actually have a REAL conversation about budgets.
Although, I doubt it, if they continue to use this as their meter
The Treasury has disowned the contents of the Intergenerational Report being used by the government to claim that it is a better economic manager than Labor.
Asked about the political content of the report, Treasury deputy secretary Nigel Ray told a Senate hearing the content was “a matter for the government”.
In Parliament, Prime Minister Tony Abbott continued to claim the report was a Treasury document,………
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-wasnt-ours-says-treasury-of-intergenerational-report-20150318-1m2csq.html
It will be interesting to see what the next budget does. Will they actually admit to extending borrowings this time? Will borrowing and giving it to already rich people actually help?
The Abbott government is now in serious lipstick-on-a-pig mode. The big changes from last year’s budget have hit the fence. The savings once declared essential have gone with them. The task now seems to be to dress up this failure of the first term agenda as something close to success.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/18/tony-abbott-2014-budget-success-just-lipstick-on-a-pig
If they go ahead with their Productivity Commission report into childcare which recommended rolling a number of different subsidies into one (which I think they also proposed for welfare more broadly) then helping poor people will not be on the cards. Continue to hit them will.
Parents on income support payments could be as much as $8,000 a year worse off by proposed changes to childcare payments, new modelling has revealed.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/19/productivity-commission-childcare-plan-could-cost-low-earners-8000-report?CMP=share_btn_tw
“”The task now seems to be to dress up this failure of the first term agenda as something close to success.””
Indeed. And it’s already proving highly entertaining.. The blatant lies are already free flowing with Julie Bishop saying that the Government “inherited the worst set of financial accounts in Australia’s history.”
A claim that turned out be well, how can we say it politely, “utter bullshit.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/fact-check–australia27s-economic-inheritance/6162670
Really, this displays an amazing amount of Chutzpah
Mr Abbott said while such a debt ratio, four times the current level, was “too high” and “we want to get it in a much better situation than that”, he added “a ratio of debt to GDP at about 50 or 60 per cent is a pretty good result looking around the world”.
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-abbott-loses-the-plot-on-debt-20150318-1m2906
This should haunt him even more than Gillards alleged lie, and all of the lies he took to the last election.
Will the assembled throng do it though, or will they applaud him for being brave enough to accept the truth of the matter (after ignoring Labors hapless pleas along the same line for years)?
Early signs are good. But will they maintain the position?
It is clear that someone who ran so hard and angrily against it for years cannot in all reality be allowed such an easy pass. And just highlights the need for renewal in the party.
But, I won’t underestimate the medias capacity to forgive poor old tones
But, but, but… Tony told us there was a BUDGET EMERGENCY!!
** I can’t take this anymore…**
Meanwhile sources in Queensland, not yet recorded as metadata and stored for two years, had early informed me that Abbott may be planning a coup with the three friends he’d made in the ADF …
… unfortunately that intention was inadvertently relayed to the troops, who are still coming to terms with a 2% pay rise and trying to figure out what the fuck anyone could spend an extra $4.20 a week on …
… Abbott also forgot that the GG just happens to be one of the most popular retired generals in Australia … and a coup means you take out the GG first … epic fail …
All metadata out of the PM’s office is now being stored forever … at the Vatican …
Well the credibility of this government has well and truly dissolved to a consistency that would make them the political equivalent of homeopathy…
Why not the parliament?
Interesting photo, but where are Abbott’s hands. I suspect they are on Christopher Pyne’s head, making sure the fucker doesn’t jerk it away at the critical moment.
LOL @ sb!
So now what do we do throw rocks? I’ve got a really good shanghai?
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/f-35-stealth-fighter-reports-identify-safety-reliability-combat-risks/story-fnpjxnlk-1227269104114
How do we get a refund?
How do we get a refund?
Send the Japanese subs out after ’em!
If they can go that far?
This will upset the CCC general meeting
The introduction of plain packaging for cigarettes in Australia has reduced the appeal of smoking among adolescents and prompted smokers to think about quitting, the most comprehensive research on the legislation to date shows.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/19/cigarette-plain-packaging-laws-reduced-smokings-appeal-to-teenagers-research?CMP=share_btn_tw
Some of you may recall that a couple of years ago (2012 actually) I was called up for jury service … and ended up being selected for not one – but two rape cases … the odds of being selected for one trial are pretty slim …
Well guess what just arrived in the post?
One day these fkn governments will just leave me alone!
This is the fourth time I’ve been called up for jury service …
Has anyone else had that many?
(Note: I blame Wally! He has contacts …)
Too Funny
Has there ever been an ALP govt since 1980 paid off any debt??
Labor party govts only produced debt for no benefit.
I will give the Labor party some credit when i see an ALP govt pay pay off some debt rather than trash the budget.
But i have never seen that.
Re – BUDGET EMERGENCY
I don’t know that it’s specifically an emergency, but I think the deficit is the most critical single issue that is likely to cause a decline in our living standards.
* Increase GST to whatever is necessary and apply it to everything
* Ensure anyone under 60 on public welfare has either a work or community service commitment
* Off load 10% of the Commonwealth Public Service, then another 10% in 2 years
* Get rid of negative gearing on housing
* Close the international cost transfer loopholes
How close is April 1st ? 🙂
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/mans-girlfriend-and-ex-partner-jump-into-river-to-see-who-hell-rescue/story-fnh81fz8-1227269168173
Comfy with your other suggestion, ToM … but would leave GST off fresh food and education … remember GST has more impact on families (and individuals) with fixed and/or low incomes …
* Increase GST to whatever is necessary and apply it to everything
BTW … would you guillotine negative gearing or phase it out … 🙂 just jokin’ … 🙂 sort of … 😉
Further poking the CCC bare
There is near-universal agreement that Australia’s implementation of tobacco plain packaging in December 2012 has seen the most virulent opposition ever experienced from the global tobacco industry.
While the industry bravely insisted early in its campaigning that plain packs “would not work” their legal actions, campaign expenditure, lobbying and general apoplexy rather suggests they feared it would be a devastating policy, with long term global ramifications.
Indeed, eleven other nations (Ireland, England, New Zealand, France, Norway, Finland, Chile, Brazil, India, South Africa, Turkey) have either legislated plain packaging or are now warming up to do so.
https://theconversation.com/cluster-bomb-of-new-research-explodes-tobacco-industry-lies-about-plain-packs-38978
If the above doesn’t, then this will 😉
Tobacco spokespeople made the outrageous claim that about one in seven of all cigarettes being smoked were such illegally obtained cigarettes. Apparently, while ordinary smokers across the country knew where to buy these easily, the full might and resources of the Australian Federal Police could not work out where these were being sold.
By the way spatter bum i am anti ALP rather than pro coalition.
These people drowned 1-2 thousand people and most probably 5 times more than that because they and you voted for Rudd in 2007.
Got that SPLATTERBUM.
How many lives did you destroy because you voted for RUDD in 2007????
On second thoughts – I’d allow negative gearing on NEW housing.
The object should be to take unnecessary demand out of the housing market and add to the housing stock..
TB – I understand the regressive nature of applying the GST to everything, but the current structure is complicated and has high compliance costs. Just put it on everything and figure out how to provide compensation to low income earners and (maybe) some SFRs.
“”Just put it on everything and figure out how to provide compensation to low income earners and (maybe) some SFRs.””
Why not just increase income tax on higher income earners, wouldn’t that be easier?
The “”problem”” with the GST is that it’s a consumption tax.. If you start giving subsidies to low income earners and pensioners, then it kind of defeats the purpose.
I think we should introduce a “Bogan Tax”. Just whack a shitload of taxes on ciggies, beer, fast food, cask wine, UDLs and track pants.
“On second thoughts – I’d allow negative gearing on NEW housing.”
As a general rule, the tax system should not be used to deliver indirect subsidies. The take-up of the subsidy can only be determined when tax returns are lodged some time after the subsidy is utilised. Often the amount of the subsidy is not known, nor is the effect on the relevant market. If the government is going to subsidise anything it should do so directly.
Also, the real issue with the housing market is on the supply side.
There are always too many loopholes for high income earners. They have all sorts of means to avoid tax.
Even eliminating trust “retrospectively” doesn’t prevent income splitting etc.
Over 30 years ago Keating argued for this model of a GST. I still agree with him.
I’m not sure it’s a subsidy SB, it’s just eliminating part of an existing tax deduction.
And I don’t think it is simply a supply side issue, artificially stimulated demand – by negative gearing attracted investors occupying a similar market to first home buyers – causes prices to be higher than they otherwise would be.
Chortle … how to lose millions of votes in one easy lesson … just another group this incompetent and childish government will get angry to turn against them at the next election (whenever that might be) … and such a pointless exercise …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/new-legislation-to-be-put-forward-to-block-torrenting-websites-but-will-it-work/story-fnjwneld-1227269448954
“will get angry to turn against them at the next election (whenever that might be) … and such a pointless exercise ”
TOOOOOOOOOOOO FuNNY
Says an ALP deadbeat who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.
Hey Reb
In 1993 unemployment was at 11% when Keating was PM.
Did you vote for keating like TB did?
Wow reb. Shorten IS Goebels hay?
I’m guessing Good Government has been put off for another day then? 😯
From your link, TB:
“With the proposed metadata laws due to be passed by the end of this month, new piracy laws could be the nail in the coffin for Australia’s freedom on the internet.”
The metadata laws are first and foremost aimed at empowering copyright trolls.
I’m not sure it’s a subsidy SB, it’s just eliminating part of an existing tax deduction.”
I think the tax system should be focused on revenue collection and should use a coherent approach so as not to create economic distortions.
In the case of deductions generally the idea is that to the extent that the expense is incurred in earning income it is deductible. Expenses of a capital nature are not deductible.
Unfortunately, in the case of interest expense the courts have decided that the interest on borrowings which have a mixed purpose (like property or shares which produce both an income stream and capital gain) should be all deductible, not apportioned.
In such cases there is a capital expense (i.e. that part of the interest which should be apportioned to capital) which is treated as deductible and this amount is, in effect, a subsidy. The excess deduction is a gift from the ATO to be set off against your other income.
There are all manner of arbitrages and anomalies in the tax system. This is one of the more obvious and not that hard to fix.
And if it is to be fixed, it should be done on a consistent and principled basis, applicable to all interest deductions.
The metadata laws are first and foremost aimed at empowering copyright trolls.
‘Course they are … and because of their ignorance the government AND the opposition think that the piracy laws will seal the
loop …massive wormhole of internet feedom of expression! LOL! 🙂The ACCC needs access to metadata laws to “stop cartels” … FMD! … call me a fool but NEVER treat me like one!
I think the tax system should be focused on revenue collection and should use a coherent approach so as not to create economic distortions.
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Jesus F Christ! … Wally v2.0 …. 😮
“”Has anyone else had that many?””
Yep……………….I got 4 summons in 2013. Got off each 1 of them.
In NSW you are on the Jury Roll for only 1 year at a time. So if you throw yourself in tears at them the 1st time they’ll let you off. Which they did.
Then I proceeded to book and pay 1 night (usually $40 in a camping ground in places really remote on the North coast and South coast 100s of kms from Sydney all on Thursdays so it fucked up the sitting week for me as a juror. I did this every 2 months.
So with every summons after the 1st I was able to show them ä prebooked “long wëekend”” which they have to allow you as its prepaid
It cost me around $130 for the year as I did it 3 times. Then by Christmas I was off the roll
the teabags have so many triggers now it`s hard to distinguish which one of`em is the lone-ranger
my abc fact check””””””””The verdict
Using Ms Bishop’s yardsticks of deficit and debt, and examining them relative to GDP to enable long-term comparisons, it is clear that the Abbott government did not inherit the worst set of financial accounts in Australia’s history.
Large borrowings to finance Australia’s participation in World War I and World War II and the impact of the Great Depression led to much higher deficits and levels of debt than any government has experienced since.
In more recent times, Mr Howard inherited more gross and net debt and a higher budget deficit relative to GDP than Mr Abbott.
Ms Bishop is wrong.””””””””””’
#the irony is the imbeciles have bad-mouthed the `economy` for so long now, that the `pro-biz` talking-heads all now claim biz is not doing much new hiring/investing/expanding coz biz has lost confidence, and project `downturn` for the next 2-years.
#Biz should wake up to themselves instead of backing imbeciles in the future. #but.they.won`t #get.fcuked.kneel
Limited News”””””””””””RELIABILITY. Manoeuvrability. Vulnerability. Accuracy. Now the US Department of Defense has added another item to its growing list of fears about the F-35 stealth fighter program:””””””
””””’Pilot safety.””””’
#l repeat ””””’Pilot safety.””””’
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””””””””let alone overcome more than 50 issues identified by audit.””””””’
#what a fcuking brilliant idea mr-rabbit had, if we buy `double` the flying-trashcans, we can `martyr` our pilots `twice` as fast. #death.cult.flying.junk
It cost me around $130 for the year as I did it 3 times. Then by Christmas I was off the roll
Why thanks, Wally, you explain yourself so well … in so many ways too … 🙂
BTW “off the roll” … you mean you don’t vote no more … jurors are selected off the electoral roll … (as a funny aside, I’m still listed as a “supervisor” – apparently) …
So you don’t get in the shit (seriously) …
http://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/find-out-about-jury-service-nsw
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I do wish people would acknowledge quotes from other people rather than let them look as if they wrote it … even if it is shite! 🙂
tbagz … March 19, 2015 3:10 pm this thread … link too ..
yawwwn””””””Increase GST to whatever is necessary and apply it to everything””””””’
#you-know-who doesn`t have a fcuking clue TB, doesn`t even have the nads to put a `guestimate` number, instead just deep-throats the vague `what-is-necessary` crap that the easily impressed, know-nothing types use, and lack the life experience to know the effects it will have #cubicle.dweller
“it is clear that the Abbott government did not inherit the worst set of financial accounts in Australia’s history. ”
I think you will find Bishop said they inherited one of the biggest deficits in Australian history. Which is true.
Please get your facts correct.
http://www.juliebishop.com.au/abc-program-interview-michael-brissenden/
Please get your facts correct.
Fuckwit™
“”I got 4 summons in 2013. Got off each 1 of them.””
How unsurprisement.
They have a knack of sniffing out the delusional and unhinged…
“”I think you will find Bishop said they inherited one of the biggest deficits in Australian history. Which is true. Please get your facts correct.””
LOL, oh do keep up you delusional cretinous fuckwit….
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/fact-check–australia27s-economic-inheritance/6162670
Limited News”””””””””Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Attorney General Senator George Brandis have been leading the charge on the piracy crackdown.
The site-blocking scheme has been likened to online censorship”””””””””
#when it comes to the teabags, they`re #still.not.learning
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””””””””””The same type of system has been in the UK since 2011 with little success. Some of the most popular torrenting sites in the world, including The Pirate Bay and Kick Ass Torrents have all been blocked, but locals keep finding a way to download content.
Typically, within hours of a site being put on the block list by an internet provider, hundreds of mirror sites that offer the same content pop up for users to access.”””””””’
#john-w spent squillion$ to play net-nanny, and a 16-year old dude cracked it in about 20-minutes #go.bittorrent #suck.it.up.teabags
“Julie Bishop: I’ve got to say it again, we inherited the worst set of financial accounts of any incoming government in Australia’s history, so it was going to be tough.”
I think you will find she was talking about the budget deficit. It was one of the worst financial accounts on our history.
So what is your point?
The budget Labor handed the Coalition was a totally trashed budget.
For Neil… https://theguttertrash.com/2015/03/19/double-dissolution-just-wishful-thinking/#comment-99520
Yes I read that. This is from the second paragraph
“all areas of the budget have to be considered for savings because we inherited the largest deficits in Australia’s history from Labor”.
This is true.
Howard handed Rudd a $20B surplus.
Rudd/Gillard/Reb/TB/Toilet/TomR/AO handed the Coalition a totally trashed budget.
Oh do fuck off Neil you moronic LNP troll.
I guess the truth hurts.
When you find it you will know.
MICHAEL BRISSENDEN Okay. Now the criticism has not just been of Tony Abbott over the last few months; there’s been a fair amount of criticism of the Treasurer too and his approach to the Budget and selling it. Does he have the full support of the Party?
JULIE BISHOP Yes, he does. The Prime Minister appoints the Treasurer. He has appointed Joe Hockey for the purpose of carrying out the role of Treasurer. Joe had a tough Budget because he had an appalling situation to work with. I’ve got to say it again, we inherited the worst set of financial accounts of any incoming government in Australia’s history, so it was going to be tough.
But Joe has heard the messages from the backbench. He’s out and about across Australia and he’s currently crafting a Budget that we believe will meet the challenges of the future but also provide the opportunities that this country needs to grow our economy and provide the opportunities that the people of this country deserve, to get a job, to start a business, to grow a business, to take risks, to create wealth for themselves, for their families and their employees.
Fucking moron …
It was one of the worst accounts
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/fact-check–australia27s-economic-inheritance/6162670
On March 16 she told ABC Radio’s AM program that “all areas of the budget have to be considered for savings because we inherited the largest deficits in Australia’s history from Labor”.
This is true.
They were also handed one of the fastest increases of debt in the Western world.
What a fucking moron
This fuckwit is the PM? he has brought the office into profound disrepute DD now
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/resources-slide-buffets-budget/story-fn59nsif-1227268688115
Consistent showing by the Fiberals
http://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/in-the-red/
“BTW “off the roll” … you mean you don’t vote no more … jurors are selected off the electoral roll … (as a funny aside, I’m still listed as a “supervisor” – apparently) …”
No in NSW they inform you before hand that you have been selected off the electoral roll to go onto the 1 year jury roll.
That’s the “red flag” to get prepared.
But if you can get out of the first call up they will send you a letter sayng you will go back on again let’s say next month. Because trials are so long these days you have a guesstimate of how the cycle works since in NSW they give you 4 weeks notice and tell you how long the trial should last.
That’s their weakness. The estimate is what you hold them to since you have a holiday booked. They can’t guarantee trial length so they’ll excuse you.
Then you do it again.
You get into their cycle and beat them at it
Yep. handed a total rubbish of a budget.
In 2007 Commonwealth debt was -3.7% of GDP. Yes that is right people. We had money in the bank.
After TB,Toilet, AO, Reb, Splatterbum, govt debt hit 10% in no time flat. And the Coalition was handed one of the fastest increases in debt in the Western world
After ruining Australia Day in January, Abbott somehow offended the Irish this week on St Patrick’s Day, prompting his Irish counterpart Enda Kenny (no relation to the author) to condemn the Australian’s stereotyping of the Irish character.
If his mistake on that occasion was piddling, no such excuse attaches to the egregious mention of Goebbels.
Liberals will be wondering how and when it ends.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbott-tries-his-colleagues-patience-with-yet-another-mistake-20150319-1m37gy.html
Being governed by fools is not funny:
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/laura-tingle/being-governed-by-fools-is-not-funny-20150319-1m2wd1
…”Idiot” is the word that comes most often in Labor’s focus groups when voters are asked about the Prime Minister…
…Voters in Western Sydney – selected because they had switched their vote from Labor to Liberal at the 2011 NSW election – described the Prime Minister as “incompetent, an international embarrassment and a fool”…
…It’s not just that voters don’t like Tony Abbott any more, or are angry about broken promises, they see the government as incapable of doing its job competently.
This is a particularly devastating assessment for a conservative government. The phrase the Coalition used before the last election was that voters needed to put “the adults back in charge”…
DD, only an Idiot would do that.
“Idiot” is the word that comes most often in Labor’s focus groups when voters are asked about the Prime Minister. And lest you’re thinking this is just what Labor would spin isn’t it, we had a confirmation this week from focus group polling conducted for Fairfax by one of Australia’s most respected focus group pollsters, Visibility’s Tony Mitchelmore, with the small caveat being that these voters didn’t describe Tony Abbott as an idiot but a fool.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/laura-tingle/being-governed-by-fools-is-not-funny-20150319-1m2wd1?login_token=GBWcAIBpEoq8qAcBtIeJBMqOfOzT0VxmsjfokOpg9u0OxWE70zLb77zGsYgzAQzsN92YrPdqw5eDKK6zXUaUqw1225461&member_token=Mx08CoD1GdJXcZqxb1ODOlh31yZlsVUT83jN7QTsmoreX4TgG5NoOBWp56fNXNPG9pyc0_0lmVJVZ-eh8kFQ9A1225461&expiry=1458376202
Will this be the next attack on Medicare?
The head of Australia’s largest private health insurer says he is optimistic the federal government will allow GP visits to be covered by insurers in future under a significant – and widely feared – reform.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/medibank-private-boss-george-savvides-says-he-is-optimistic-of-reform-to-allow-insurers-to-cover-gp-visits-20150319-1m3azt.html#ixzz3Us4pJpV0
I guess this confirms it.
A spokesman for Ms Ley said that while the government was listening to a range of proposals and monitoring Medibank’s current trial of an insurance-based model of GP care, the government has no plans to change current laws.
I can understand the concerns about deregulation of university fees and imposing huge debts on young people seeking an education. University students are usually about the poorest people around. I never supported the 6 month wait for the dole either – cruel, philosophically driven and without any real justification.
But I simply cannot understand the problem of having a small fee charged to see the doctor – cost – less than 2 cups of coffee, about 4 litres of petrol or a few cigarettes. Exempt pensioners, put a cap on the annual charge, but why the fake outrage about a small charge for a service?
Without some control health costs are uncontrolled.
“”but why the fake outrage about a small charge for a service?””
“fake” outrage…??
What about people who have chronic illnesses that require constant monitoring and regular GP visits?
I for one, have to visit my GP every two months just to get a prescription and I’m hit up for $80 each time…
Just to get a fkn piece of paper.
Being unimaginably wealthy, it’s not a huge impost, however if was living on the age pension it would be.
This so-called “government” basically has it in for anyone that isn’t wealthy.
Dreyfus is a fucking hypocrite. If Goebbels analogies upset him so then he shouldn’t use them himself.
• The Goebbels thing proves fake outrage is widespread.
• Paying a small GP fee allows everyone to pretend they’re a WCP! How good would that be for the self-esteem of those little people?!
Saying that propaganda by this government or any government is like the propaganda used by the Nazi’s (I suggest reading Edward Benays excellent book from the 1928) is very different to calling someone Goebbels..
The fucking imbecile got wrong anyways as it was Hjalmar Schacht whip was Hitlers finance minister.
What about Bishops behavior its untenable…
Tom.. you wanna hope you never get seriously ill..Then your tune will change from complaint ambivalent unison to a raging chorus of outrage…
Its like after complaining for years about the budget these imbeciles are given the purse strings and all of a sudden the reality of actually managing the economy has sunk in…
So in an incompetent panic they just decide that everything that society has worked for is now too expensive to deliver…
I have no faith in Chris Bowen to run the budget either albeit the chalk and cheese to Hokeynomics who is way out of his depth.
Without some control health costs are uncontrolled.
Luckily they are already controlled then, hey 😉
If Goebbels analogies upset him so then he shouldn’t use them himself.
Calling someone Goebbels is a far more direct analogy than saying that the coalitions media strategy was Goebbellian, and Dreyfus got plenty of flack back then for saying that.
This should clear it up. But, typical “look over there” attitude from the usual
Mr Dreyfus says he was referring to the nature of Mr Abbott’s campaign, not calling him a Nazi.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-11/abbotts-tax-strategy-likened-to-nazi-propaganda/2661892
Yabot called Shorten a Nazi. He took an already low blow, and dug that hole deeper. And, he’s supposed to be setting the example! A kinder, gentler polity ROFL
How good would that be for the self-esteem of those little people?!
Have you been called a condescending fuckwit yet today?
If the government doesn’t charge for a service, it is funded by taxpayers or debt. It’s time to reduce the burden on future generations (debt) by looking at reasonable means to reduce debt and a small payment for GP visits is sound policy.
Free stuff is over used.
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It does seem a range of ALP politicians have used the “Goebbels” insult, including Dreyfus, without provoking a walkout from parliament.
Fake outrage on display by Dreyfus and other ALP apologists.
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“Have you been called a condescending fuckwit yet today?”
No. But it’s only 10.17am
“Mr Dreyfus says he was referring to the nature of Mr Abbott’s campaign, not calling him a Nazi.”
That comment shows that, in addition to being stupid himself, Dreyfus thinks we are too. In your case it appears he may be correct.
ToM
You are just a condescending fuckwit.
“Bullying is hurtful and it’s wrong.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-20/pm-puts-his-support-behind-national-campaign-against-bullying/6334080
Unless you are Bill Goebbels Shorten!
What a fuckwit!
That comment shows that he was referring to the nature of the campaign, not the nature of the person.
Not that even that is right, but…. LOOK OVER THERE!!!
ToM
You are just a condescending fuckwit.
I’m off to a flyer! 10.30!
I’m off to a flyer! 10.30!
You assume he was talking to you
Mind you, a DD would probably be just what the economy needs right now 😉
Budget goes backwards by at least $80 billion since Coalition elected
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/budget-goes-backwards-by-at-least-80-billion-since-coalition-elected-20150319-1m2lsi
But paradoxically, Abbott’s pledge of a dull budget is wildly ambitious. This is mainly because it is asking us to believe several contradictory things at once. First, that the Coalition inherited a budget emergency. Second that its job of responding to that emergency has been relentlessly sabotaged by the opposition and other senate riff-raff. Third, that in spite of this relentless blocking, the budgetary repair job has somehow been done. Turns out the opposition weren’t blocking terribly much. Or that the stuff they were blocking was unnecessary to fix the budget, anyway, in which case they weren’t as irresponsible as we were being asked to believe.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/job-done-tony-abbott-promises-dull-budget-but-when-did-australias-debt-become-manageable-20150319-1m2lmr.html
Labor or Liberal – which side is best at job creation?
Here’s a hint, it aint the libs 😉
Recall, this is the average monthly per cent increase in employment for each government:
Abbott 0.09%
Rudd/Gillard 0.12%
Howard 0.17%
Hawke/Keating 0.18%
Fraser* 0.08%
……………
Labor 0.16%
Coalition 0.13%
http://thekouk.com/blog/labor-or-liberal-which-side-is-best-at-job-creation.html#.VQs6TeFm9W1
Like Coal is good for humanity and just about everything that comes out of the rank hypocrisy of the social disconnected…
I will treat that comment with the contempt it deserves…
Splatter.. in addition to being obstinately stupid..you have a comprehension problem….
Speaking of being being obstinately stupid
“What credibility do you have on bullying – you’ve been accused of it so often yourself?” Faine asked.
“Without foundation, I would say Jon,” Mr Abbott replied.
“This is where I think our country would benefit from a little bit more fair-mindedness.
“We are at the moment a somewhat querulous country and I think if we counted our blessings a little more, saw ourselves more in the way the rest of the world sees us, we might have a better public conversation, we might in the end have much more constructive debates
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-asked-why-he-keeps-saying-stupid-things-in-fiery-abc-interview-20150319-1m3izq.html
Says “ditch the witch”, ” die of shame”, ” “Bill Goebbels Shorten”, “pure of heart “, “shit happens” yabot
😯
Too many have great ideas for more spending, but not much to say on how to correct the ballooning deficit and debt that will be paid by the next generation.
“”not much to say on how to correct the ballooning deficit and debt that will be paid by the next generation.””
I guess you missed the bit where I said – tax the rich.
tax the rich
FUCK THAT!
I’m not a proponent of “tax the rich”
One of these days I hope to win lotto and at that time I don’t wish to pay more tax.
I’m not a proponent of “tax the rich”
So how would you “correct the ballooning deficit and debt that will be paid by the next generation.”?
“So how would you “correct the ballooning deficit and debt that will be paid by the next generation.”?
I’d start with this, as I outlined yesterday –
Re – BUDGET EMERGENCY
I don’t know that it’s specifically an emergency, but I think the deficit is the most critical single issue that is likely to cause a decline in our living standards.
* Increase GST to whatever is necessary and apply it to everything
* Ensure anyone under 60 on public welfare has either a work or community service commitment
* Off load 10% of the Commonwealth Public Service, then another 10% in 2 years
* Get rid of negative gearing on housing (though probably allow it for new housing)
* Close the international cost transfer loopholes
Close the international cost transfer loopholes
Such as?
The GST can stay where it is, as it is wrong to begin with. Sales Tax was a much fairer system. We can slap sales taxes back on individual items, imported cars and fast food come to mind. And miners making a mint out of irreplaceable resources. There’s a thought 😉
And the PS is already cut as low as it can go. Labor took it too far. We need PS, no matter how much you hate them.
another fine working example supplied by you-know-who,
yawn-1””””””’not much to say on how to correct the ballooning deficit and debt that will be paid by the next generation””””
yawn-2”””””’I`m not a proponent of `tax the rich”””””
#stuck in a feedback loop of their own making, teabags and various corporate deep-throaters won`t ever really seriously concern themselves with `debt` or `deficit` outside of political-football, they really don`t give a fcuk, it`s just about making the rich richer at the poors expense #tinfoil.cubile.hypocrisy
Transfer pricing is a means used by international companies to avoid paying tax in the countries where the revenue is earned. I’m quite happy for the government to figure out how to address this.
A broad based GST (as Keating correctly observed about 30 years ago) is an efficient tax. The current one is inefficient because of compliance costs. Compensate the old age pensioners and those on below (say) $40k pa, everyone else can have a good feeling that they’re paying a little more so that their kids can have a chance of economic prosperity.
We already have the mining tax Swan agreed to, how much does it raise?
I’ve had dealings with the public service and judging by the way they send multiple organisational levels to a meeting, and schedule it at about 1pm (to ensure they get a free lunch with the leftovers whisked away to the tea room), I think a 10% cut is very soft.
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I was at a party recently, and talking to a public servant … “what do you do” I asked. Her – “I work in risk management”. Me – “That’s interesting, finance, governance or OHS?”. Her “media”
Her job was to monitor the media and ensure that the” risk” of a pensioner calling talkback radio and complaining about some problems was addressed!!!
So much for a lean public service if we’re spending my taxes on those public servants.
laura tingle”””””””””improving the budget bottom line.
Well actually no it hasn’t. The accompanying table shows the evolving shape of the budget since the release of the Pre-Election Economic and Fiscal Outlook, prepared by the secretaries of the departments of Treasury and Finance, in 2013, and every updated estimate of the bottom line since then.
The bottom line for the current budget year has deteriorated from a forecast deficit of just $24 billion to a deficit of $40.4 billion.””””””””””’
#so again, that`s a `LABOR-DEFICIT-DOUBLED-BY-TEABAGS-DEFICIT` .. #get.fcuked.kneel .. #suck.it.up.teabags
..and I think I’ll post this here too…
“Don’t blame the “freedom fighters!!”
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From time to time f**kwits have argued that the warrior President Putin and the “freedom fighters” had no involvement in the shooting down of MH17.
The evidence is now starting to come out.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/mh17-evidence-dutch-journalist-discovers-fragments-of-russian-missile-amid-wreckage/story-fnpjxnlk-1227270469205
kenny””””””””’After ruining Australia Day in January, Abbott somehow offended the Irish this week on St Patrick’s Day, prompting his Irish counterpart Enda Kenny (no relation to the author) to condemn the Australian’s stereotyping of the Irish character.
If his mistake on that occasion was piddling, no such excuse attaches to the egregious mention of Goebbels”””””””””””
#mark kenny classically under-estimates the prime-imbeciles ability to insult/offend other nations in bulk. Who says mr-rabbit couldn`t offend Israelia, Irelandia and Indonesia all in the same week. Kenny in the usual journalistic manner, overlooked mr-rabbit is up to the letter `I` this week. Next week `J`. Watch out Jordania and Jamaicia.
Where the fcuk is Meta! #hope.he.is.okay
On my #abc24 l heard blib has sided with mr-rabbit on kidnapping everybody`s meta-data, way to fcuking go blib, ya`so fcuking different to the teabags. lt seems the greens are the only folks against the meta-bill, which was only given to `all` members?/senate? 30-minutes before HOR vote. #fcuk.blib.too
A broad based GST (as Keating correctly observed about 30 years ago) is an efficient tax
Yet an unfair one, which is why Labor never implemented it.
We already have the mining tax Swan agreed to, how much does it raise?
er none yomm, it has been repealed. It was scheduled to be reaping in millions by now though.
I think a 10% cut is very soft.
Yes yomm, I’ve witnessed the way you “think” before. Let’s just say, I “think” your opinions in this are somewhat jaded
So much for a lean public service if we’re spending my taxes on those public servants.
Perhaps you should engage wally 😉
so again, that`s a `LABOR-DEFICIT-DOUBLED-BY-TEABAGS-DEFICIT` .. #get.fcuked.kneel
Not sure what your point is. I am sure you were around from 2007-2013 where every prediction of the budget deficit was wrong. I think budget forecasting is a very inexact science.
Swans very first budget predicted a $20B surplus and we got a $20B deficit. A $40B turn around.
while still flying over hot battlefields, you-know-who missed this,
Transfer pricing is a means used by international companies to avoid paying tax in the countries where the revenue is earned.
So, are you a fan of Labors approach?
Labor will shut down loopholes which allow big multinational companies to send profits overseas, ensuring they pay their fair share of tax, just like everyone else has to.
http://billshorten.com.au/big-multinationals-to-pay-fair-share-under-labor
Yeah. I’m jaded by slothful pen pushers that want to work 37.5 hours a week with flexible time, defined benefit super and expect me to pay ever increasing taxes to fund their lifestyle.
..and of course the mining tax was repealed. How much did it raise?
Hawke and Kelty rolled Keating, not the ALP.
when it come to knowing nothing, nobody does it better than you-know-who and manages to display it in `one` paragraph!
yawn-1”””’A broad based GST is an efficient tax.”””
yawn-2”””The current one is inefficient because of compliance costs.”””””””
(#for the benefit of debate, let`s assume 1 + 2 above are true)
yawn-3”””””””’Compensate the old age pensioners and those on below (say) $40k pa, everyone else can have a good feeling that theyâre paying a little more so that their kids can have a chance of economic prosperity.””””””””’
#so if 1 + 2 above are `true`, as soon as we have to `compensate` various demographics, then we would incur `compliance-costs` which would need to be `policed`/`implemented` and also make the corporate deep-throat idea `inefficient`. .. #tinfoil.cubicle.wisdom .. #know.nothing.arse.hat
Well Malcolm seems to have got the message! Finally!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/whats-going-on-with-australias-economy-voters-are-tuning-out-to-governments-mixed-messages/story-e6frflo9-1227270756052
Apparently those of us who thought Keating was right on tax reform are ###know.nothing.arse.hats
Brilliant!
blib”””””””shut down loopholes which allow big multinational companies to send profits overseas, ensuring they pay their fair share of tax, just like everyone else has to.”””””””’
blib””””””’will bring at least $1.9 billion back to Australia in tax from big multinationals over the next four years, according to the Parliamentary Budget Office.”””””””””
#all this horse-shit sounds good in theory, unfortunately, blib will more than likely distract himself, (just as they distracted themselves last-time with .. #super.tinfoil.tax .. #military.grade.packaging .. #alco-pops .. #in.house.backstabbing and various other antics) and not end-up doing much, so they don`t damage their corporate friendly `teabag-lite` image. Team-blib isn`t trying to be any different on `tewwa-fear`, `boat-hate` or taday`s `meta-bill`. .. #assuming.blib.wins.that.is .. #blib.sux.too
If the government doesn’t charge for a service, it is funded by taxpayers or debt. It’s time to reduce the burden on future generations (debt) by looking at reasonable means to reduce debt. Free stuff is over used.
What free stuff would that be? Until very recently I had to pay $70 to a visit a GP – like sreb, three/four times a year for a prescription … it wasn’t long ago that you were saying that people liked to go to see the doctor for a chat … and a bit of socialising …
Or did you mean:
Negative gearing claims?
Family trust fiddling?
Pollies’ perqs after they are no longer pollies?
Big business not paying its fair share of tax onshore?
‘Cause if the RICH paid as much tax as they were supposed to … then the Liberal Party wouldn’t have this problem … nor would we …ya know the little people
… so that their kids can have a chance of economic prosperity.
Have a chance? You make and take opportunities … chance? Hold yer hand out … or take … from the older generation that got you here …
Nobody ever “reduced my fkn burden” in life … quite the opposite … reduce the burden!!!!!
The only “burden” I’ve ever seen is incompetent politicians and public servants … in all levels of government and in all politicians … not a manager amongst ’em!
Debt is a part of life … how much does your zombie phone cost per month?*… my generation looked after our parents as adults … now you expect your generation to be looked after by the same people?
I can assure you my kids are all self sufficient and contributors to society …
*Probably paid for by your employer/business and claimed as a tax deduction subsidised by taxpayers … 20% income tax across the board no claims!
Limited News”””””””””””””’Twelve months ago the economic message from Government leaders was accompanied by the political equivalent of sirens and claxons. Kiss your loved ones and seek shelter as we do all that is nasty and necessary to ride out this terrible Budget Emergency by sprinting to the sunshine of an immediate surplus.
Well, thatâs the way it seemed to many voters.
But 12 months later the alarms have been replaced by yawns as those same Government leaders tell voters there is no need for panic and the next Budget in May will be routine, possibly even dull.
The sunshine of a surplus is still a long way off, at least five years. Independent advisers are tipping never.”””””””””’ #ha-ha .. #get.fcuked.kneel .. #even.limited.news.is.abandoning.ship
The evidence is now starting to come out.
Jesus … don’t take up lawyering … you’ll starve to death …
And no I’m not taking sides … but the Ukrainians use Russian weapons … so–o-o?
TB, prosperity isn’t simply a function of individual effort.
Good for your kids, but if they are to “live in a society” then they will need a government that has fiscal flexibility, able to respond to changing circumstances, rather than one loaded with debt, with limited flexibility
If Australia’s debt had been 30% of GDP, do you think the “stimulus” during the GFC would have been as readily available?
tb”””””’Until very recently I had to pay $70 to a visit a GP â like sreb, three/four times a year for a prescription””””’
#75 bucks, my neighbor said, at his gp
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yawn”””those of us who thought Keating was right on tax reform”””
tb””””it wasn`t long ago that you were saying that people liked to go to see the doctor for a chat .. and a bit of socialising”””””’#yep
#yes, l would say #know.nothing.arse.hats that spend so much comments on trashing keating-package `universal-health`, `onion/quality-jobs`, `regressive-gst`, but want to cherry-pick `tax-reform` to hang imagined wisdom on, as nothing more than .. #corporate.deep.throaters .. and .. #know.nothing.arse.hats
TB, prosperity isn’t simply a function of individual effort.
I do patronising much better, ToM.
In fact most societies from bees to human do rely on the efforts of the individual to add to the synergy of the “hive” …
One person paying income tax won’t support the hive … but ? And the bees toss the shirkers out …
When our first child was born I was 21 The Minister 19 … we decided then that our children would grow up to be “contributing members to society” … and that’s not BS … there was a few giggles when we told some of our friends … but by and large most agreed … and their children mostly seem to be doing well … unless you have children its probably difficult to understand the role of a parent … and some are good and some are bloody awful – I suspect The Mad Abbott falls into the latter category …
But we have a government blaming a generation for our kids’ future – making a mockery of parenting (and in my case grand-parenting) …
… its a massive intergenerational wedging that could ruin what little “society” we may have left not focussed on making money and an individual’s approach to the hive (all the I make I eat!!) …
The REAL perpetrators are the greedy bastards bleeding society from the top … why would multi-millionaires want to be politicians? Only one answer $$$$$ … and that money doesn’t come from the rich and famous … unless you believe in the tooth fairy …
Its the old create chaos and manage the result tactic … create anarchy and rule the masses …
It will work with the simple minded maybe …
TB””””””””””’role of a parent .. and some are good and some are bloody awful .. I suspect The Mad Abbott falls into the latter category””””””’
#that would depend on ya`values system l guess Teebz, you and mrs-tb value things like `contributing`, `fairness-in-society`etc, while it`s probably not the same things mr-rabbit values, mr-rabbit seems to value `elitism` and `advantage` and probably teaches those `values` to his baby bunny/s, and would be able to justify why honey-bunny gets 60K `free-education`, while `working-class` `end-age-of-entitlement` get 80-100K hex-debt, and claim it `reasonable`, much in the manner you-know-who trashes the poorest workers conditions/pay.