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Newspoll Versus Morgan: The Criminal Tendency Of Murdoch’s Numbers

March 24, 2015

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The following article is by Bob Ellis…

In its most audacious fraud in many a year Murdoch’s Newspoll showed Abbott’s government gaining half a million votes in the fortnight when he insulted the Irish, the Jews, the Aborigines, the United States and the Senate, backflipped on auto manufacturing and lied about submarines, and Pyne in a crazy shrieking outburst swore he’d sack seventeen hundred scientists if the Senate did not agree to pauper all future students by Tuesday, and when they wouldn’t do that weirdly chirped, ‘I fixed it.’

A simultaneous poll by Morgan had Labor with seven hundred thousand more votes, on 56 percent, than Newspoll’s 51 percent. When Paul Bongiorno noted this contrast, Fran Kelly threw him out of the studio.

Morgan always gets it right; in Queensland, it said, correctly, 49.5 for Labor and ‘too close to call’. And, however Newspoll dresses up its mendacity — preference flow as in 2013; numbers ‘weighted’ to reflect the population distribution; 9 percent ‘refused’ or ‘undecided’ excluded — it can only be guilty, this week and often, of criminal fraud.

For it is not likely that the Coalition gained half a million votes while Pyne behaved as madly as he did last week; while Abbott said Shorten was like Goebbels and deficits for sixty years were ‘not so bad, considering’; while the Moss Report revealed that blow-jobs for marihuana had become the currency of Nauru on Morrison’s watch and children were suiciding, and Morrison told pensioners they would get less money hereafter, and for the rest of their lives, precisely when they needed more.

But, like the Emperor’s new clothes, we are told by Col Allen there was no harm done Abbott that week, that fortnight, and the preposterous headline, TURNAROUND TONY, is thereby improbably, miraculously affirmed.

Yet the fact is pretty much what Morgan said it was: that the Coalition, in Pyne’s maddest week, and Abbott’s and Hockey’s most shamed one, lost three hundred thousand votes which it might not get back.

And, were an election held on Saturday, Labor would gain fifty or fifty-two seats, and the Greens two or three.

And no amount of shonky twisting and wrestling and mangling of numbers will get those lost sheep back.

And so it goes.

 

Robert “Bob” Ellis is an Australian writer, journalist, film maker and political commentator. 

 

 

 

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227 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2015 10:56 am

    This isn’t the first time, methinks …

    And wasn’t there some strange figures for unemployment? Or jobs recently … ?

    And just who do they think they’re fooling anyway? These are polls if you fudge the figures the actual voting won’t change.

    And Murdoch and the Liberals (what an alter – altar? – ego description that is) obviously don’t hear what people are saying in the real world …

    Heads up arses … and Pyne is a classic example …

    Divine right of Klingons …

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 24, 2015 11:18 am

    I love Bob Ellis. He is an utter nutter who writes so slobberingly well.

    An ABC type less given to conspiracy theories has this view:

    The ABC’s polling expert, Antony Green(link is external), says that all pollsters are aware of the limitations of polling and try to reduce statistical errors arising from their methods. And he believes that, often, the people who complain about a specific poll are those who don’t like the result, and who will question the poll’s methodology in a bid to cast doubt on unfavourable numbers.

    But he sounds a note of caution, too: “You have to choose your polls. And it depends on what you use them for.”

    Mr Green nominates Newspoll, founded on the same questions for 30 years, as providing the most consistently useful results, but believes some others are less reliable.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2015 11:36 am

    “Morgan always gets it right”

    I’m not sure about that.

    However polls bounce around, often due to sampling – margin of error. One month the sample will underestimate the Lib vote by 3% the next it might over estimate it by 3%. Both polls are within the margin of error. Reporting of the results will show a 6% turn around, but the actual voting intentions of the public might not have changed at all.

     Bob Ellis is a political entertainer, and he’s ok at that. His rantings shouldn’t be taken seriously
    ———-
    TB – the media reporting of the results might emphasise aspects of the poll – whether Shorten/Abbott is up or down, whether 2PP has changed, how the primary vote looks.

    But you are seriously deluding yourself if you think the Murdoch/the polling company is telling the people that conduct the survey to misreport what people are telling them, or telling the statistical people to misreport the findings.

  4. March 24, 2015 12:21 pm

    The only explanation I can think of is that the people who were polled think that Christopher “the fixer” Pyne and Tony “pass the onion” Abbott are now so fkn hilarious, that they want them to stick around for more laffs.

  5. Walrus permalink
    March 24, 2015 12:32 pm

    “………..and Tony “pass the onion” Abbott are now so fkn hilarious,…….””

    Yes………………It makes eating earwax look so passe

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 24, 2015 1:06 pm

    I know that it is in the main body above, but it is just so sadly, catastrophically funny I had to repeat it:

    Murdoch’s Newspoll showed Abbott’s government gaining half a million votes in the fortnight when he insulted the Irish, the Jews, the Aborigines, the United States and the Senate, backflipped on auto manufacturing and lied about submarines, and Pyne in a crazy shrieking outburst swore he’d sack seventeen hundred scientists if the Senate did not agree to pauper all future students by Tuesday, and when they wouldn’t do that weirdly chirped, ‘I fixed it.’

    I wouldn’t jump to a conspiracy theory, but I can see the attractions.

  7. March 24, 2015 1:43 pm

    Essential poll 54-46 (+2!) to ALP. ALP 41 L-NP 40 Grn 10 PUP 1

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 24, 2015 2:15 pm

    haha, that is funny sb – is that what ‘playing to the [de]base[d]’ does?

    If any of you are interested, netflix commenced in australia as of 12MN last night. You can sign up now for one month free trial.

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 24, 2015 2:17 pm

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 24, 2015 2:52 pm

  11. March 24, 2015 3:15 pm

    Tony Abbot Poll dancer

    Tony on Q and A

  12. March 24, 2015 3:16 pm
  13. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2015 3:49 pm

    … the people who complain about a specific poll are those who don’t like the result, …

    But you are seriously deluding yourself if you think the Murdoch/the polling company is telling the people that conduct the survey to misreport

    Not sure I did that … are you doing a Wally? (putting words into my comments?)

    Where did I say that?

    As opposed to just doubting the veracity of the message?

  14. Walrus permalink
    March 24, 2015 4:11 pm

    “”You don’t believe that Rupert could do anything deceitful (I mean he is a catlik an’ all) and manipulate polls (must be the staff again) … but other research companies would … and certainly unions BOO!

    But not our – Rupert The Kingmaker …””

    -TB

    I’m now going to Google bicycles with the handle bars mounted on the rear of the bike frame. It makes it easier for you to back pedal

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2015 5:14 pm

    ”You don’t believe that Rupert could do anything deceitful (I mean he is a catlik an’ all) and manipulate polls (must be the staff again) … but other research companies would …”

    Apparently I’ve misinterpreted this comment as meaning that Murdoch might manipulate polls.

    But TB has corrected me. He meant no such thing.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2015 5:40 pm

    But TB has corrected me. He meant no such thing.

    You don’t suppose YOU made those assumptions … and I asked why one group would/could and another wouldn’t …

    Your slip is showing, madam …

    ToM…

    I don’t believe they manipulate survey results for political purposes. The notion that Murdoch calls up the boss of newspoll and asks for a specific result is just stupid.

    I can imagine in commercial/product research a company might like a result that says – “people find Nutri Grain the tastiest cereal” and pay for the research,. This is in much the same way that unions will sponsor some research that will come up with a finding of – “people that join unions are better off than those that don’t”

    “”You don’t believe that Rupert could do anything deceitful (I mean he is a catlik an’ all) and manipulate polls (must be the staff again) … but other research companies would …” “””

    See the difference in context?

    Nice touch switching freds tho’ … very Murdoch (keep ’em guessing’, hey?)

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2015 5:42 pm

    Three blind mice … chortle … 🙂

    WT time, methinks … before someone decides to call me a troll …

  18. March 24, 2015 6:15 pm

    anna bligh on reportland last night made an interesting comment which is poll/election related, when sales asked how she felt about the noddy-teabags `drastic-win` to only lasting `one-term`, bligh reckoned it could be the `new-normal`, with the public who go digging on the web, being much better informed in their `topic/s-of-interest` than either the polical-teams or teabag-media.

    #resulting in many voters won`t put-up with too much bullshit, l suspect

  19. March 24, 2015 6:21 pm

    l agree teebz, yawns claims that `onions-polls` are the only `corrupt/stacked-polls` is ridiculous (coz they only dial numbers from onion-membership lists) and rupert-polls are clean coz rupert is too busy hacking-phones to have his polls dialing blot-radio `caller-lists` and blot-blog `subscribers` #Tinfoil.Cubicle.Arse.Hat

  20. March 24, 2015 10:15 pm

    The only truthful pole is the one Rupert inserted in Abbott’s ass to prop him upright…

  21. March 24, 2015 10:35 pm

  22. Walrus permalink
    March 24, 2015 10:38 pm

    Yaaaaaaaaaawn !

  23. Walrus permalink
    March 24, 2015 10:40 pm

    The individual Polls don’t matter. It’s the trend and your leader you should be shitting yourself about.

  24. Walrus permalink
    March 24, 2015 10:42 pm

    Newspoll is the poll most go by

  25. March 25, 2015 2:36 am

    Newspoll is the poll most murdoch reading sheeple go by

    Yeah no bias whatsoever
    My leader? ROTFL.. as usual clueless..

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 10:46 am

    The individual Polls don’t matter. It’s the trend and your leader you should be shitting yourself about.

    I agrre, Wally … YOU should … chuckle … 🙂

    Newspoll is the poll most go by

    “Most” – who tories …?

    As I “mentioned” at the beginning of this fred … you can poll all you want … the outcome at the ballot is what really counts … obviously Queenslanders can sort this shit out … must only be Mexicans that believe what they read in Murdoch’s many rags the newspapers …

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 25, 2015 11:20 am

    ““Most” – who tories …?

    If lazy trolling is your go then that would be your answer, I suppose. If you want to move on to actual thinking you could look at some more considered opinions. There you might find this from the ABC’s (obviously tory) polling specialist:

    Mr Green nominates Newspoll, founded on the same questions for 30 years, as providing the most consistently useful results, but believes some others are less reliable.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 12:20 pm

    If lazy trolling is your go …

    This place has become so predictable …

  29. Walrus permalink
    March 25, 2015 1:48 pm

    “Why you shouldn’t trust any polls … ”

    Have you actually been to Cessnock ?

    Perhaps its attractions are the golf courses, guest houses, wineries, cheesemakers ( Blessed are the Cheesemakers……………I had to get that in), B&Bs, old colonial pubs, countryside, fresh air, friendly people………etc etc

    ………..as opposed to

    the site of projectile vomiting Schoolies or Toolies, brawling bikies, garbage strewn about, cyclonic winds and rains, passed out young girls in high heels,a casino which has not seen a room renovation since circa 1980, expensive restaurants, 60 yo plus males dressed in safari suits urinating in laneways……..etc etc………………….oh and fuckwit Queenslanders.

    Did I miss anything ?

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 2:01 pm

    The Gold Coast is a hole.

    It is either dilapidated like Palm Beach or overdeveloped like Broadbeach or both like Surfers Paradise.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:15 pm

    Have you actually been to Cessnock ?

    Yep … and I NEVER, EVER go to the Gold Coast … as I continue to tell you dumb Mexicans!

    It’s like being a fkn ghost writer! Nobody sees or reads what you actually say!

    But I can assure you there are far BETTER towns in Oz than fkn Cessnock too!

  32. March 25, 2015 3:20 pm

    I see that Qantas has introduced a new dress code for the Qantas Club.

    About time too.

    It basically says “no one from QLD will be admitted””

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:29 pm

    Tom’s TRIPADVISOR’S TOP 10 OZ DESTINATIONS:
    1. Sydney Great Ocean Road/Surf Coast
    2. Melbourne Byron Bay
    3. Brisbane Coffs Harbour
    4. Cairns Port Macquarie
    5. Port Douglas Bondi/Tamarama/Bronte
    6. Hobart
    7. Margaret River Mornington Peninsular
    8. Noosa
    9. Adelaide Hunter Region
    10. Cessnock Port Douglas

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:30 pm

    Australia is truly under the control (well sort of) of zombies and mental institution inmates …

    And is evidenced more and more each day …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland-mp-andrew-laming-poured-bunker-fuel-over-himself-in-federation-chamber/story-fncynjr2-1227278137100

    The journalist make twits of themselves too …

    Bunker fuel is a type of thick fuel oil used in vessels. It is highly flammable.

    Highly flammable my arse!

    Still you’d have to question the security at Parliament House in this age of heightened terrorist threat, hey?

    Hypocrites or what …

    And then there’s Townsville Barracks secured by an off duty soldier because the gate guard are unarmed civilian “security” … 🙄

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/man-arrested-after-he-was-found-inside-townsvilles-lavarack-barracks-with-a-replica-pistol/story-fnii5v6w-1227276965120

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:32 pm

    I see ToM agrees with me …

    Remember this was about relying of OPINION POLLS!

    It basically says “no one from QLD will be admitted””

    ======================================

    Y’know the last time I was in a QANTAS lounge was 2010 our last trip to the UK (and I mean last!)

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:33 pm

    It basically says “no one from QLD will be admitted””

    It’s about time too!

    I dress in a suit, and wear leather shoes with laces. This is appropriate business attire, but in Queensland this is replaced with shorts, a singlet (with a beer, NRL or cricket logo) and thongs

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:35 pm

    With that comment I see we’er a few short of 100,000!!

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:35 pm

    And another reason not to bother with polls …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/john-howard-still-australias-best-pm/story-fncynjr2-1227278036015

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:35 pm

    So who will get

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:35 pm

    there first?

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:36 pm

    I’d like to think this

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:36 pm

    might be no 100,000!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:37 pm

    With that comment I see we’er a few short of 100,000!!

    ? 😕 ?

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:37 pm

    We’re? Just correctin’ … touché … 😉

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2015 3:55 pm

    Your write TB, it was a typo!

  46. March 25, 2015 4:06 pm

    Yesterday was “World TB Day”

    And he didn’t even prepare a speech.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 5:43 pm

    Aw shit … erm …

    Youse can all go and fuck yerselves!

    And thanks for linking me to a seriously infectious and a high mortality rate … 🙄

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2015 5:44 pm

    … add “disease” to above …

  49. March 25, 2015 7:28 pm

    londonderry”””””””””””A man who cut off his electronic tag told the authorities his dog had eaten it, Londonderry Magistrates Court has been told.

    In the dock was Darren Mark Curry (38), of Glenabbey Drive, who was on bail for assaulting his ex-partner on November 12, last year.

    The court was told the defendant was later found in a dog kennel and when asked about his electronic tag, he claimed his dog had ate it.

    The court heard that in the early hours of Sunday morning the 38-year-old admitted causing damage to an electronic monitoring tag which he was ordered to wear as part of his bail conditions.

    District Judge Barney McElholm was told by the Prosecution that Curry cut off the electronic tagging device and then went to his daughter’s house outside, which also happened to take place outside the hours of curfew previously imposed on him by the court. Curry had also consumed alcohol, which he was banned from doing.

    He was found hiding in a dog kennel and he claimed the dog had eaten his tag.

    Defence solicitor Seamus Quigley said Curry had gone to his daughter’s house because he was concerned about her.

    He urged the court to give his client one final chance on bail.

    District Judge McElholm estreated £300 and released Curry on the same terms and conditions of bail.

    However, the District Judge also warned the 38-year-old if there were any further breaches he would be remanded in custody.

    Curry will appear in court again on April 2.””””””

    http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/local-news/man-claims-his-dog-ate-his-electronic-tag-1-6625060

  50. March 25, 2015 7:53 pm

    Trioli is hosting reportland tonight, she just shredded blib

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:23 am

    So is Twiggy Forrest:

    A) A Communist looking out for the good of society?

    B) Just another Robber Baron at play?

    C) A multi millionaire ignorant of the content of, The Competition & Consumer Act, 2010?

    He wants all iron ore producers to cap production …

    We do live in a market economy, don’t we?

  52. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 8:57 am

    B) for above TubercuLand 😉

    And is bishop

    A) A hypocrite

    B) Just fckn stupid

    “I am currently scoping the opportunities for our next term on the UNSC,” she said.

    Australia ended its two-year term – which was secured by the former Labor government in spite of only lukewarm enthusiasm by the Coalition – on December 31.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-looks-to-get-australia-back-on-un-security-council-20150325-1m7my9.html

    Lukewarm ROFL!

    Australia’s bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council will be dumped if the federal opposition wins government.

    http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-news-national/scrap-un-security-council-bid-abbott-20100720-10itr.html

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2015 10:45 am

    And these people are trashingrunning Australia? Shakes head again …

    Good read …

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/opinion-why-scott-morrison-is-totally-wrong-about-gay-marriage/story-fnizhakg-1227278643141

  54. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 10:48 am

    she just shredded blib

    With what? Bullshit dusters? I’d get back to CCC’s were I you. Trioli’s a hack, and a bad one at that. vacuous and easily led, doing nothing but spouting grubmint lines to appease her backers. Here’s an example of here “shredding”

    BILL SHORTEN: Well, again, just to give you a different set of numbers than the ones you were quoting, we think there’s been a lot of myth-making about the cost of building submarines in Australia….

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Well the costs are definitely ones and the figures are the ones that have been referred to again and again as it being more in Australia. So just to move on quickly from this, ’cause we have lots to get through today.

    So the trioli just accepts the grubmints numbers as gospel (going on the case that they and their media mates sprout them a lot), and, when confronted with differing numbers, just wants to ‘move on quickly’ like a typical spruiker.

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Bill Shorten, let’s talk a little bit tonight about management and about leadership. There’s been a lot of very fine words spoken recently about leadership, particularly with the deaths of Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Fraser. You said last November that 2015 would be defined by the power of Labor’s ideas. It’s almost April. We’re entering a new budget cycle. Where are those ideas?

    BILL SHORTEN: Well we’ve already started to articulate our ideas. Three or four weeks ago, Labor put forward a comprehensive costed policy, for instance, to track – to crack down on multinationals using legal loopholes not to pay their fair share of tax in Australia. This is a downpayment on our approach. We think that people should pay their fair share of taxation. We also …

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Yes. I’m just going to move you on again because our time really is tight this evening. I don’t think anyone’s really going to argue with the multinational one. But the big ideas, …

    So, she asks a question, gets an answer, but then ‘moves on again’ to ask the same question that he is currently answering. What a dimwit. Or, did she not like him answering, so thought she’d ask again thinking people would forget?

    She then finishes him off (?) with the her devastating “you’re shit, yabot was great” hypothesis.

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: …..It was clear that Tony Abbott certainly gave Julia Gillard a whole lot of grief. Why haven’t you been able to?

    What an airhead. Even taking this latest poll into account, how she seen the polls?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4204889.htm

    Back to ya CCC teambagger, stick to what you’re bad at.

  55. Walrus permalink
    March 26, 2015 10:53 am

    “”Back to ya CCC teambagger, stick to what you’re bad at.””

    LOL………….Teabag just upset the vested interest SA Leftie

  56. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:18 am

    vested interest SA Leftie

    You say that like it’s a bad thing 😯 😉

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:36 am

    I think this article shows TomR was telling lies

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/carmakers-ethan-automotive-can-build-20000-cars-a-year-if-supply-chain-is-retained/story-fni6uo1m-1227270103802

    “CARMAKER Ethan Automotive says it could make 20,000 cars a year in South Australia but needs an intact supply chain to do so……………Under the legislation, there is money available until 2020, but it is tied to the number of cars being made.”

    TomR said the Coalition did not support the car industry and cut funding. There were no funding cuts as long as Ford/Holden/Toyota continued to make cars in Australia. Funding was promised until 2020. Actually i think it was 2022.

    What happened is that after Ford left (under Rudd) Holden went to Hockey and asked for double the funding that was promised until 2022. Hockey told them there was no more money other than what was promised.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:38 am

    Well, reading that portion of transcript … its not difficult to see that Trioli is in Uhlmann’s camp … “the move on quickly’s” seem to come quick and fast too …

    Speaking of vested interests …

    Wally what’s your take on the Twiggy Forrest idea of capping Australian iron ore production … ?

  59. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:39 am

    I think this article shows TomR was telling lies

    lol, nIl said “I think”

    ROFL

    C’mon thinker, show me where?

  60. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:41 am

    its not difficult to see that Trioli is in Uhlmann’s camp

    In her favour, she did refrain from outright lying to the Labor leader, unlike ulman has in the past.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:50 am

    TomR

    You said the Coalition did not support the car industry.

    Everything promised by Rudd/Gillard was untouched until 2020.

    There were no cuts as you stated if they continued to make cars in Australia.

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2015 11:57 am

    “You said last November that 2015 would be defined by the power of Labor’s ideas. It’s almost April. We’re entering a new budget cycle. Where are those ideas?”

    Apparently nobody told Shorten that thought-bubble mind-fart platitudes don’t count: “to crack down on multinationals using legal loopholes not to pay their fair share of tax in Australia. This is a downpayment on our approach. We think that people should pay their fair share of taxation.”

    So, Tom R where are those ideas?

  63. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:03 pm

    You said the Coalition did not support the car industry.

    I AGREE!. They didn’t.

    Everything promised by Rudd/Gillard was untouched until 2020.

    I’ll ask again, just what was recently re-instated by the grubmint?

    So, Tom R where are those ideas?

    http://www.alp.org.au/what_we_re_for 😉

    (although, i have linked to that before)

    And that’s on top of keeping subs here.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:18 pm

    Bill Shorten’s policy – “everyone is someone”

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:21 pm

    TomR

    You are the biggest liar to post on the internet.

    I told you a milllion times. There were no funding cuts as long as as auto makers CONTINUED to make cars in Australia.

    Funding was there until 2020. It was legislated.

    AFTER Holden announced they were leaving of course there were arguments as to why we should be supporting an industry that was leaving.

    You are incapable of telling the truth

  66. Walrus permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:28 pm

    “”Wally what’s your take on the Twiggy Forrest idea of capping Australian iron ore production … ?””

    Simple

    He’s running out of money or its causing him a lot of sleepless nights as to how much lower it might go.

    He does not have the highest quality iron ore and gets nowhere near what BHP and Rio get for there’s. Plus they have lower freight costs and port charges.

    Rio and BHP have got all the first tier assets in that regard. They could still make money at even lower prices.

    Nothing unusual about the World having a few cartels…………….De Beers……………..OPEC and the biggest one of all……………………………the EU……………..LOL

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:32 pm

    “(although, i have linked to that before)”

    You trying to put me off my lunch with that meaningless drivel, Tom R?

    Fact is ALP will not say much beyond motherhood BS. They certainly will not explain how they will pay for their policies.

    One of the most disgraceful acts of the last government was trying to take credit for policies that they had no idea how to pay for by making sure the real cost was beyond the forward estimates horizon.

    Anyway, this is just a sideshow to lure Tom R into discussion. The real issue is the current government. We know the Libs will try to point over there to the ALP’s lack of detailed policy. That should not be allowed to happen. The Libs should be judged on what they promised and what they deliver.

    I’m hoping (but not expecting) that we will see a budget that sets Australia on the road to prosperity, pays down debt in the foreseeable future, leads to jobs growth, small business growth and a decent level of social spending. And the government must be held accountable if this budget is as bad as the last.

    My view is that there has been too much focus on matters vindictive and trivial and this has, in some perverse way, seemed to help Abbott in the polls. The bottom line, the thing the Libs win or lose on, is their economic performance. It has been ghastly so far and is not likely to get better. Hopefully, now the focus will remain on this issue.

  68. Walrus permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:33 pm

    I’m waiting for an interview where someone might ask Bill Shorten this…………

    “What do you Mr Shorten really stand for and really believe in. What deep in your heart do you really stand for ?””

    Cut to Bill Shorten head down desperately trying to find the correct page of his notes

  69. Walrus permalink
    March 26, 2015 12:36 pm

    “”You are incapable of telling the truth””

  70. March 26, 2015 1:17 pm

    TomR
    You are the biggest liar to post on the internet.
    I told you a milllion times…..

    to not exaggerate? 🙂

    “”Wally what’s your take on the Twiggy Forrest idea of capping Australian iron ore production … ?””
    Simple
    He’s running out of money

    Totally agree.. Twiggy is about to snap..Tinkler on a bigger scale 30% higher production costs and less liquidity..
    Ironically this is him calling out for welfare…

    “What do you Mr Shorten really stand for and really believe in. What deep in your heart do you really stand for ?””

    Looks for camera crew…Sticks finger in the air to check wind direction..

    Still at his absolute worst he is still spades better than Abbottsourous extinctus

  71. Walrus permalink
    March 26, 2015 4:05 pm

    And of course Twiggy is not the first to feel the heat

    “”Lourenco Goncalves, president of Cliffs Natural Resources Inc, said his company was quitting the Australian iron ore business and putting its one mine, the Koolyanobbing Operation in Western Australia, up for sale to focus on the more promising US market.

    He said Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton had embarked on separate campaigns to saturate China with tens of millions of tonnes of Australian ore to drive out local competitors.

    Mr Goncalves told an industry conference on Wednesday that the Reserve Bank of Australia had manipulated its currency to help BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto displace Chinese domestic production of iron ore to their benefit. …………………….””

    What an idiot.

    It’s called competition lads.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/business/business/national/2015/03/12/cliff-ceo-blames-aust-for-falling-iron-ore-prices.html#sthash.kMn6nGYw.dpuf

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2015 4:13 pm

    Kiddies playing kindergarten … where are all the adults?

    THE federal government has defended its backflip on funding cuts to legal aid services, saying it was consistent with its push to tackle domestic violence.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2015 4:53 pm

    What an idiot.

    It’s called competition lads.

    I agree … so your conclusion is that Twiggy is an idiot just doing what Robber Barons do?

  74. March 26, 2015 6:35 pm

    BLIB””””’When it came to metadata and national security, which we think is very important, Labor put a peg in the ground and said we’ve got to have the ability of journalists to be able to protect their sources.””””

    #notice blib raised it team-cheerer, trioli follows,

    +

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Bill Shorten, on metadata, that’s – it’s clearly an issue where, to quote the crossbenchers today,

    you have vacated the field, because there may be protection there for journalists,

    but what about protection for ordinary citizens? This is where there’s been a complete about-face that one might be enormously critical of.

    #now watch blib faff and run

    BILL SHORTEN: No, that’s not a fair description of what’s happened since last October. Now Labor has to …

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: It’s certainly the way the crossbenchers see it and they believe they’ve got to step into the breach and they’re presenting themselves as the real opposition on this one.

    BILL SHORTEN: Far be it from me to interfere with the crossbenchers promoting themselves. But let’s go …

    VIRGINIA TRIOLI: They may be the people you have to deal with if you’re lucky enough to secure government.

    BILL SHORTEN: Well, we deal with them reasonably well. I think our record compares favourably to the Government’s, doesn’t it? But going to the heart of the matter which you’re saying: what’s Labor’s role in terms of protecting individual liberties? Labor is gravely conscious that we have to balance national security and also the personal liberties of Australians. It is Labor who’s made sure that the Commonwealth Ombudsman has the ability to investigate breaches of metadata requests if they were to occur in a way which hasn’t been able to to be done before, which goes to the heart of what you’ve said. And also whilst I know that you personally are very committed to press freedom, I would just remind viewers that but for Labor standing up, the Government would’ve got through its changes without any of the scrutiny that we’ve put forward. We’ve changed three sets of national security laws. Mark Dreyfus, Jason Clare, my colleagues..

    #yeah team-cheerer, blib did a great fcuking job, if ya`call being teabag-lite and fleeing `great`

  75. March 26, 2015 7:02 pm

    WhatTF is wrong with labor, team-cheerer, Fancy sending blathering blib to reportland for such a sloppy performance. FFS bring back beazley. Take a look at the first part of the interview on canoes, which was the least tragic part for blib. You really think that performance was a `good-sell` for canoe building. Think again. (tho trioli didn`t pwn blib at least)

    +

    the 2nd part, #wire-taps/meta, blib was on the run, fully pwned by trioli, two more questions were asked, blib blathered. Why the fcuk is labor helping mr-rabbit, which is what sending blib to reportland was.

  76. March 26, 2015 7:28 pm

    `Twiggy Forrest idea of capping Australian iron ore production””’

    #it will be interesting, if twiggy goes arse-up who the blame will fall on, remember, twiggy won`t be able to claim `over-paid-plebs`, his mines are loaded with robotics. #so.no.onions

  77. March 26, 2015 8:03 pm

    Caucus at least had the good sense to keep the skinless-chicken off reportland tonight. #shh-blib

  78. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 9:16 am

    Fact is ALP will not say much beyond motherhood BS. They certainly will not explain how they will pay for their policies.

    Well, they are not going to roll out a complete suite of fully costed policies are they. Why the hell would they? The libs haven’t even delivered one budget halfway through their (one and only?) term, and already people are crying for fully costed policies. But, even already, they have committed to re-instating the Carbon Tax (plugging a multi billion hole in the budget), plus re-instating their vision for the NBN (and the increased productivity that comes with that), along with other costed policies such as their multinational tax avoidance policy. They have also said they will re-instate many of the wrongs undone by the libs, like funding for domestic tourism marketing, Enterprise Connect, and increasing compulsory super to 12% (wow, what a way to take a burden of future retirement payments!)

    “What do you Mr Shorten really stand for and really believe in. What deep in your heart do you really stand for ?”

    Well, you could listen to him I guess.

    from his interview with trioli

    We’ve made it clear, for instance, that we support the constitutional recognition of our first Australians. We’ve made it clear that we support becoming a republic. We’ve made it clear that when it comes to standing up to outlaw hate speech, we didn’t support any watering-down of 18C. We’ve also got a view that to have a growing economy, which is fundamental to our future, we’ve got to make sure that we don’t leave people behind. So when we talk about key issues like science and innovation, jobs. Let’s look at the Renewable Energy Target. We’ve been standing firm to stop the Abbott Government, the Liberal National government in Canberra, from trashing renewable energy. These are big issues. On superannuation, the Government loves to talk about the crisis of growing old and the aged pension, yet we’re the only mainstream political party who says that we shouldn’t freeze superannuation increases, that we should in fact rather than cut pension increases, we should encourage Australians to save for themselves for the future. These are big ideas. These are big issues and we’re fighting hard.

    or his budget reply from last year

    I believe in a different Australia.

    An Australia where your destiny is not pre-determined by your parents’ wealth or your postcode.

    A fair and prosperous nation populated by a creative and productive people.
    ..

    The Budget papers reveal the economic truth.

    Australia is fundamentally strong, and so is the legacy Labor left behind.

    Low inflation

    Low interest rates

    Net debt peaking at just one seventh of the level of the major advanced economies.

    A triple-A credit rating with a stable outlook from all three international ratings agencies – one of only eight countries in the world.

    Superannuation savings larger than the size of our whole economy

    And around a million new jobs created

    That’s what we left.

    ……

    Labor created Medicare because we believe that the health of any one of us is important to all of us.

    We are all members of the Australian family and Medicare is, at its core, a family measure.

    And with it, we created a new community standard one that is now 40 years old.

    We reject a US-style, two-tiered system where your wealth determines your health.

    we want a quality education for all Australians.

    ……

    Labor knows the only answer to this challenge is to make the right investments in skills and productivity.

    Only through education will Australia fully develop our economic potential, our scientific potential, our artistic potential – our people’s potential.

    As Minister, I moved legislation in this parliament to raise super from 9 to 12 per cent.

    And reduced taxation on the modest superannuation contributions of Australians who earn $37,000 or less in a year.

    Yet one of the first acts of this Government was to abolish Labor’s Low Income Super Contribution

    As Minister, I moved legislation in this parliament to raise super from 9 to 12 per cent.

    And reduced taxation on the modest superannuation contributions of Australians who earn $37,000 or less in a year.

    Yet one of the first acts of this Government was to abolish Labor’s Low Income Super Contribution

    ….

    In short, Madam Speaker, to make our national budget sustainable.

    But make it sustainable in a fair and reasonable way.

    And why is this so important?

    Because the Budget supports and needs to support large numbers of dependent people, as it does families on modest incomes, and as it must, on schools and health.

    The Budget always needs a balance in its imposition on incomes, the contribution of companies, the incidence of its excises and those expenditures which underpin us as a civil society.

    Indeed, I believe, as a great social democracy.

    Labor has always held to these precepts.

    This is the kind of thoughtful responsibility I subscribe to.

    ….

    By contrast, Labor invests in our people to make our country stronger.

    Labor educates.

    Labor cares for all.

    Labor believes in an Australia writ large.

    We believe that economic growth comes from extending opportunity.

    We believe in a prosperous Australia: prosperity for everyone who works and prosperity which works for everyone.

    An Australia where your Medicare card – not your credit card – guarantees you access to quality healthcare.

    An Australia where the National Disability Insurance Scheme is a reality for people with disability, their carers and the people who love them – not a scapegoat for complaints about spending.

    Labor believes that a teenager in a regional town should be studying in a great school – and have the choice of a university education, learning a trade or taking up a rewarding job.

    We believe that science and innovation should be at the heart of national policy – because they are central to our prosperity.

    We believe in an Australia where small business can grow and thrive.

    An Australia that still makes things.

    An Australia with quality infrastructure – including digital infrastructure.

    An Australia where women are equal – and pays them equally.

    An Australia that is closing the gap and extending opportunities for the first Australians.

    Labor believes in an Australia that cares for its environment – and takes the science of climate change seriously.

    An Australia where multiculturalism is celebrated as a social and economic asset – not treated as sport for bigots and ideologues.

    An Australia that is a good global citizen, confident and engaged with the opportunities of the Asian Century.

    An Australia ready for the future, optimistic about the future and investing in the future.

    Well, Labor hasn’t forgotten.

    We still believe in fairness.

    We still believe in an Australia that includes everyone, that helps everyone, that lets everyone be their best, that leaves no-one behind.
    </i.

    http://www.alp.org.au/budget_reply_speech

  79. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 9:17 am

    Take a look at the first part of the interview on canoes,

    You meant he part where trioli ran the grubmints figures as if they were real and shorten spent most of the time correcting her?

    I never said it was a great piece or oration, but, it put forward their vision, with some explicit examples, and it also highlighted the stupidity of churnalists treating grubmint press releases and figures as gospel. And gave air to an alternative.

    fully pwned by trioli

    trioli pwned herself, even on the metadata, which I hate. But, I would also highlight that Labor have never been against this kind of policy, unlike the mob who are bringing it in now. Talk about Hypocrisy, the libs went hard against the child filter in the last Parliament, but are now pushing something far more extreme themselves. Labor are continuing in their meddlesome ways, but everyone expects them to oppose it, just because they are the “opposition”.

    I don’t agree with it, and it goes far further than their previous child filter policy, which I can see the use of, but I find it stupid in the extreme to lambast Labor over it and let the libs off scott free, when Labor have always argued for this kind of thing, and the libs, when it suits, argues against, then when it suits, argue for it. At least Labor is consistent, albeit too consistent in this regard

    Shorten highlighted to trioli that without Labor, even the small protections offered to churnalists wouldn’t exist, but she would have none of that, so quickly “moved on” to how great yabot was, and how shit Shorten is. She’s an embarrassment, and Shorten played it quite well considering the entrenched bias he was up against.

    You just don’t like ‘Blib”, in the same way yomm didn’t like Gillard, it’s just a pure hate without any real foundation but your own personal prejudices.

    So be it, but at least be big enough to admit to it.

  80. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 9:22 am

    THE federal government has defended its backflip on funding cuts to legal aid services, saying it was consistent with its push to tackle domestic violence.

    The fact that this backflip had to be bludgeoned into them shows just how divorced from reality they really are. And that when it comes to anything to do with the libs, ‘consistent ‘ is not a word to be used, except when grinding down the less well off, or attempts to. But, it is welcome news.

    The prime minister has called for an urgent national approach to tackle domestic and family violence and yet crucial services for victims are being cut. The loss of support services is causing alarm, especially in regional areas where victims are already isolated. Hagar Cohen travelled to Broken Hill and Mildura to investigate.

    Update: The Attorney General has announced that the cuts to Community Legal Services will not proceed, saving the jobs of many front line lawyers working with women experiencing domestic violence. 26th March 2015. Press release here.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2015-03-08/6277930

    Is there anything left from their previous budget at all? Will their next one just try and re-instate it all but with tact this time?

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 10:17 am

    Australia is fundamentally strong, and so is the legacy Labor left behind.

    Low inflation

    Low interest rates

    Net debt peaking at just one seventh of the level of the major advanced economies.

    This statement is sooo deceitful and typical of the party of deceit. All those things applied in 2007. But it is the debt statement that really gets me.

    To have low debt you have to pay it off. Name me one Labor govt either state or Federal since 1980 that has paid off any debt??

    Hawke/Keating took Federal govt debt from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 18% of GDP in 1996 and we lost our AAA rating under Hawke.

    It was not until Costello took Federal govt from 18% of GDP to approx 5% of GDP that we got our AAA credit rating back. That is something Labor never has done and never will do.

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 10:40 am

    TomR

    You have no right to speak on this subject. The party you support only produces debt. And it is unproductive debt.

    Name me one ALP govt since 1980 that has paid off any debt?

    Kennett paid off debt. Howard paid off debt. Labor only produces debt.

    What Howard/Costello did was amazing. They turned around the huge increase in debt created by Hawke/Keating.

    Nobody but the Coalition could have done that.

  83. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 10:49 am

    What Howard/Costello did was amazing.

    Not really, when you consider what htey trashed and sold to achieve a pretty set of numbers that largely mean squat, except politically these days.

    Did you like the quote above, same as the one below 😉

    but a ratio of debt to GDP at about 50 or 60 per cent is a pretty good result looking around the world

  84. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 10:49 am

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2015 10:56 am

    I hear on the grapevine that the CFMEU are going to introduce a go slow on building sites to ensure members have jobs …

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:03 am

    TomR

    You are deluded as usual. Actually not deluded but dishonest.

    Govt debt was 18% of GDP in 1996. It was not until Costello took govt debt to 5% of GDP that we got our AAA rating back.

    Govt debt tripled under Keating. And it would have tripled again if Keating won the 1996 election. We would have hit the GFC with debt at 60% of GDP if Keating won the 1996 election.

    Please try and tell the truth just once.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:18 am

    It is outrageously selfish to regard 50% of GDP as an acceptable level of debt.

    This simply saddles then next generation with limited policy options and lower prosperity because of the profligacy of this generation.

    It is irresponsible and selfish.

  88. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:26 am

    Please try and tell the truth just once.

    Can you please highlight where I wasn’t?

    It is irresponsible and selfish.

    Tell it the homeowners of the country 😉

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:35 am

    The worst thing about Australian debt is that most of it is foreign. We do not have the savings in Australia to fund our own debt. So we have to rely on foreign money to fund our debt.

    With the Americans and Europeans it is the opposite. They can fund the majority of their debt from local sources.

    We are now paying $1B/month on the debt that TomR, Reb, TB, Toilet, Walrus produced.

    Of that $1B in interest, $700M/month goes to foreign investors. Money leaving the country never to return

    PS TomR you posted a link where it was stated that our currently low govt debt has something to do with the ALP. That is a lie. Labor has never paid off any govt debt. never has never will

  90. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:40 am

    We are now paying $1B/month on the debt that TomR, Reb, TB, Toilet, Walrus produced.

    Actually, the current debt is foisted upon us by the libs

    Your comment needs to be amended 😉

    We are now paying $1B/month on the debt that TomR, Reb, TB, Toilet, Walrus and nIl produced.

    #justsayin

    PS TomR you posted a link

    I post many links. Ask yomm. You’ll have to be specifickerer than that.

  91. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:41 am

    If you don’t want me to feed trolls TB, keep it in the right thread 😉

    Oh, and be sure you aren’t guilty of it either 😉

    #justsayin #again

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 11:49 am

    TomR

    You really are a total piece of scum.

    The ALP trashed the budget and then blamed the Coaliton for not fixing up the mess you created.

    It was TomR, TB, Toilet, Walrus et al that created all this trouble

  93. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 12:08 pm

    It was TomR, TB, Toilet, Walrus and nIl that created all this trouble

    Fixed it fer a again like the scum I am 😉

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 12:22 pm

    No TomR

    Scum like you brag about our currently low level of Federal govt debt.

    Labor had nothing to do with this but they do like to claim credit for something Labor could never do.

    Name me one Labor govt since 1980 that has paid off any debt??

    If it happened it should not be too difficult.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2015 5:19 pm

    #justsayin #again

    Pardon me …

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2015 5:24 pm

    This simply saddles then next generation with limited policy options and lower prosperity because of the profligacy of this generation.

    It is irresponsible and selfish.

    I think you mean selfishness and greed … from any generation …

    Caught up in the politics and PR rather than the facts … you do realise that most of us have to work a lifetime to save a few bob … not just the first five years?

  97. March 27, 2015 5:25 pm

    tr”””You just don’t like ‘Blib`, in the same way yomm didn`t like Gillard””””#WRONG

    +

    tr””””it`s just a pure hate without any real foundation but your own personal prejudices””””””’#WRONG

    +

    tr”’So be it, but at least be big enough to admit to it””#WRONG

    +

    #blib was an excellent onion operator, successfully kicking overpaid arses like you-know-who and representing his members, l have never said otherwise, however, blib is well out of his depth (and on the nose #double-knifing) in federal politics, blib is now promoted well beyond his capability.

    #Clearly, blib has no new ideas, nor direction, other than to be teabag-lite. Not just on the `corporate-profit` topics either, but labor under blib will remain teabag-lite on `personal-liberties` too, voluntary-euthanasia, gay-marriage, and oh fcuk! this weeks `citizens-privacy` with their warrantless/secret wire-tap/meta, stick it to the little guy, be a fcuking teabag too! No social justice here with blib.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2015 5:28 pm

    This sort of greed …

    Meanwhile, West Australian Premier Colin Barnett said there had been an over-reaction to Mr Forrest’s idea to cap production.

    “If you flood the market, you hurt yourself, you hurt the smaller companies, you certainly hurt your shareholders, and I think the iron ore industry should be supplying to meet the market,” Mr Barnett said.

    “That’s not a cartel or predatory pricing.”

    Yes it is … and the ACCC thinks it is too … 🙄

  99. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 5:34 pm

    teabag-lite on `personal-liberties` too

    Or, are the libs being Labor=lite? After all, they are the “Liberals” are they not?

    And I guess Shorten and subs is being ‘teabag-lite’

    multinational tax avoidance is being ‘teabag-lite’

    Carbon Pricing is being ‘teabag-lite’

    Fair Work Act is being ‘teabag-lite’

    ….

    You really don’t put a lot of thought into your posts, do you. To busy with the CCCClub I guess 😉

  100. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 5:39 pm

    Pardon me …

    Like you need to ask.

    Meanwhile, in data retention land, I’ve decided to try out browsing (most things) with Tor Browser, and torrents with Tribler.

    I’ll let ya know how it goes 😉

    I’m trying to avoid paying for VPN 🙂

  101. March 27, 2015 5:59 pm

    well team-cheerer, the fact that you are `listing` at me, shows you (willfully.?) miss the point. For a start, l don`t give a flying-fcuk about the carbon-TAX, and never have, you present yourself as a fool using it (yet-again) in arguing it with me.

    #You also miss the point that the majority of voters decide, not by the whopping long lists team-cheerers run about with, they don`t. For example, single-mothers that were arse-fcuked by joolya when she recruited mr-rabbit to slash their pensions, remember that, not the carbon-TAX. Like-wise, those that care about their own PRIVACY, will remember how easily mr-rabbit recruited blib, and how little blib opposed giving away the average-joe`s privacy to the likes of mr-rabbit. Let`s also hope the independents and greens remember this at next election, and beat equally blib and mr-rabbit about the head with it, and cost the bastards seats.

    #Just like `privacy`, other voters will care about `gay-marriage` and `voluntary-euthanasia`, where too, they will not find any fcuking difference between blib`s lite-teabags and mr-rabbits full-strength teabags.

  102. March 27, 2015 6:14 pm

    trap of your own making team-cheerer, when it comes to,

    ””’multinational tax avoidance is being `teabag-lite””’

    you seem to forget, blib and friends were not focused on this as a `priority` in their -6-years, instead they chose to chase phantom `super-profits`, and shows a solid lack of judgment and unable to identify the important. Fancy not closing loop-hole for `all` mega-rich corporates, and fritter away efforts on market-dependent `phantoms` #military.grade.stupid

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2015 6:27 pm

    I’m trying to avoid paying for VPN

    Browser history isn’t kept, TR … but let me know how Tribler goes.

    TOR is supposed to slow downloading …

    The new ISP stopping pirate sites legislation in Australia (formulated by the “experts”) is laughingly stupid …

  104. March 27, 2015 6:30 pm

    tb””’Caught up in the politics and PR rather than the facts”””#yep.as.usual

    ”””””””you do realise that most of us have to work a lifetime to save a few bob .. not just the first five years?””””’#he.wouldn`t.have.a.clue

  105. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 6:30 pm

    #military.grade.stupid

    Sums up that post beautifully. So, you reckon a super profits tax, which would now be reaping million, is stupid. Don’t fucken complain about budgetary pressures then, cos they had a tax that was going to make money, and the libs got rid of it.

    As for Carbon Price, I don’t give a fuck about your opinion on it, the simple fact is Labor had one, it made money, the libs got rid of it.

    If you want to restrict examples of differences with libs to things you like, then you are more deluded than I had ever assumed

  106. March 27, 2015 6:43 pm

    “they had a tax that was going to make money”

    Yeah, except taxes don’t make money. They take money.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 27, 2015 6:52 pm

    #teabagz
    #yaytobacco
    #don’tblamepeoplethatshootmissilesataircraft
    #putinisaheman

    Yep –

    #military.grade.stupid

  108. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2015 7:13 pm

    They take money.

    My bad Tony

    they had a tax that was going to take money from rich multinationals (in most cases) who are plundering the resources from future generations (I threw that last bit in fer yomm 😉 )

  109. March 27, 2015 7:31 pm

    team-cheerer”””””””’So, you reckon a super profits tax, which would now be reaping million, is stupid.”””””’#it.didn`t .. #falling.prices .. #twiggy.wants.to.cut.production .. #go.team!

  110. March 27, 2015 7:35 pm

    tr”””””you want to restrict examples of differences with libs to things you like”””#WRONG

    #you`re bleating at me coz ya`didn`t like my comment/s on the reportland blib/trioli interview, ya`then started dancing round the mulberry-bush team-cheerer

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2015 8:56 pm

    This women is insane. Therefore we all know she votes for the ALP.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/gillian-triggs-admits-wife-killer-basikbasiks-detention-was-lawful/story-fn9hlxnq-1227281413148

    “Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs says fair-minded Australians would judge as “reasonable’’ her controversial recommendation that a detained refugee wife killer receive $350,000 in taxpayer-funded compensation.”

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2015 10:55 am

    The new Social Liberalisation of Australia … or is that Liberal Socialism … or Liberal Nationalism …. or National Socialism …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/federal-government-to-confirm-plans-to-expand-work-for-the-dole-to-49-year-olds/story-fns0jze1-1227281665031

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2015 11:39 am

    Well, that’s good TB.

    I see no problem with anyone (other than old aged pensioners) who receives welfare doing something in return.

  114. March 28, 2015 12:13 pm

    Limited News”””””Job seekers complained of completing endless amounts of training but with no job opportunities; one job seeker told me he could have wallpapered a room with all the certificates he had””””’#ponzi.quals

  115. March 28, 2015 12:16 pm

    Limited-News””””The federal government is poised to announce the results of tender process for its revamped $5.1 billion job services system”””#cash.bonfire .. #trough.snouting

  116. March 28, 2015 12:19 pm

    Limited News”””””job providers will receive outcome payments after placing unemployed people in work for 4, then 12, and then 26 weeks”””#ponzi.jobs .. #yay.slavery

  117. March 28, 2015 12:31 pm

    `I see no problem with anyone .. who receives welfare doing something in return”””””””’#clueless.cubicle.dweller

    #by all means, let`s discourage business from actually creating full-time jobs, it`s much better to have business wetting it`s break in the `welfare-pond` and receiving kick-backs for `minor`employment of `dole-office-slaves` and labor-hire.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2015 12:43 pm

    ToM, neither do I … but is a social concept … something the Liberals (tories) abhor … funny, hey?

    And tbagz makes very real point … there are very few jobs …

    In my 45 years in the workforce, I was only out of work for six weeks (and therefore ineligible for any support at the time – under then legislation – despite supporting two a wife and two small children) …

    I was 35 and told THEN by the Job Centre it would be difficult to find a job because I was now middle aged! I remember actually laughing at the woman …

  119. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2015 12:56 pm

    So, nIl goes to the oz to get his daily attack on a Public Srrvant. Nice.

    Try a news outlet for once. Love their headline, “admits”, as if Triggs had ever said otherwise. Try to get hte story, not the attack nIl

    “While the government of course has an executive power to detain someone … that executive power must be exercised in a way that is necessary and proportionate to achieve a legitimate aim,” she said.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/27/gillian-triggs-says-coalition-chose-to-challenge-basikbasik-report-via-media

    But it is this byline that cuts to the core of what is wrong with the oz attacking a PS for the grubmint.

    Human Rights Commission president tells senators her recommendation was questioned ‘in the pages of a particular newspaper’ rather than parliament

    Also wondering what has become of this request?

    The shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, wrote to the Australian federal police to ask them to examine whether the attorney general, George Brandis, had committed an offence by offering Triggs a job in exchange for her resignation.

  120. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2015 12:58 pm

    Speaking of murdoch running interference for the grubmint

    The cynicism or prematurity of the Telegraph’s article was exposed, but it served its purpose at the time. Last week, the Moss review recommended that “the department should review its decision to have the Save the Children staff members removed”.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/03/28/nauru-abuse-goes-further-than-the-moss-review/14274612001684#.VRYCh-Fm9W0

    How many times will benson get his stories wrong before they stop calling him a churnalist?

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2015 1:11 pm

    I must admit to being more than a little nonplussed with the latest Trigg drama and went looking for the manslaughter case against Basikbasik and came across this …

    Gillian Triggs is president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, longtime feminist, and super-articulate wonderwoman.

    And this week, she’s come under fire for making a decision at work involving a man who fatally beat his pregnant wife.

    Now, Mamamia has never — and will never — condone violence against women.

    We believe, in short, that there’s a special place in hell for men who kill their partners and children — and by all accounts, Basikbasik was a nasty, vile piece of work. But today, we’re defending Gillian Triggs against the Government’s attacks, and we’re defending her right to recommend that nasty, vile piece of work be freed from detention.

    And here’s why:

    Because the nature of human rights is that they apply to everybody – not just those people we agree with or the people whose actions and behaviour we like.

    The essence of human rights is that they’re universal, indivisible and interconnected.

    They apply to people convicted of crimes and to those with no criminal record, to people with mental disabilities, and to people with nasty temperments, and to people whose opinions or character we dislike.

    And under human rights law, there are some very clear rules which say, amongst other things, that everyone has the right to liberty, and to due process in court, and to freedom from arbitrary detention.

    Justice — and respect for human rights — does not mean a dangerous person like Basikbasik is jailed forever; instead, as Tom Dick wrote for Fairfax today: “It means he is given due process, and not detained without proper reason. It means his complaint is heard and those who determine it are respected.”

    Malala’s speech will once again knock your socks off.

    It is not appropriate for the Government to attack Triggs – a member of the judiciary – for interpreting the law as it stands. That is her job.

    When political leaders like Mr Abbott and Mr Morrison publically attack holders of public office like Triggs, that undermines their independence and impartiality, as a group of human rights academics wrote today in an open letter.

    Read more at http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/gillian-triggs-human-rights/#KxYIDiO0bkHOGZsO.99

    The article above does make a point about human rights and its application … however, I find the recommendation for $350,000 compensation ludicrous … around $44,000 per year …!!! Yeah …

    Holding the man for eight years AFTER he completed his sentence is quite wrong … unless you can make a case for that – and I don’t know enough to do that …

    I tend to attempt putting myself in the other person’s shoes …

    What if Basikbasik was one of my family how would I feel? ; and

    What if it had been my daughter and grandchild who were murdered?

    And I cannot reach an objective decision … I would help in one case and gladly pull the trigger in the other …

    That’s why the judiciary has to be objective, devoid of emotion and aloof from government influence …

  122. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2015 2:07 pm

    Because the nature of human rights is that they apply to everybody

    Unless they are you political enemies it seems

    And I cannot reach an objective decision

    And the murdoch empire ensures that it is very difficult for anyone to.

    And, as Triggs states from the Guardian piece

    “Normally it would be for members of parliament to read my reports, to question them if they chose to, and if appropriate, for the attorney to appeal against them.

    “That has not been done and unfortunately the choice has been made to do so in the pages of a particular newspaper, where the facts and legal reasoning were grossly misstated.”

    But this mob choose to attack her publicly, while not actually appealing them (it seems, perhaps they have this one?)

    Either way, the character assassination of political enemies (as with the Save the Children) continues unabated.

    But, now as I type it, when you have made political enemies of a Human Rights Commissioner, Save the Children and the UN, your intent seems clear.

    And it makes “Children Overboard” appear nostalgic and quite quaint in comparison.

    Also, from the oz

    At that hearing it emerged her relationship with the Abbott government was irreparable but she has refused to resign from her $410,000-a-year statutory post.

    Interesting way of framing a possibly illegal inducement from the grubmint, put it all back onto Triggs for not accepting said inducement. Their depths are immeasurable

  123. March 28, 2015 3:13 pm

    tb””tbagz makes very real point .. there are very few jobs””#correct

    #tho when l said

    ””I see no problem with anyone .. who receives welfare doing something in return””#clueless.cubicle.dweller””

    #it was also directed at the fact that people ARE doing something in `return`, while corporations are NOT,

    #unpaid-interns are one of those group of people, that ARE doing something for their `dole`, to the benefit of some of the big-corporations, more of them women too, but you won`t find you-know-who running his `pretend-feminista` routine here tho.

    #labor-hire, heaps of on `dole` too, one day here and half-day there aint enough to live on,

    #both groups are tax-payer subsided workers, with the `businesses` getting the major benefit, but the `numbers` are kept from the public.

    +

    #Happening-Now, highly paid `check-out`chicks are being laid-off by major retailers as `self-serve` check-outs are installed, we can rely on our `pretend-feminista` to not give a flying-fcuk about these women either and continue to bleat incessantly about the waitress getting double-time for her 3-hour shift once a week.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2015 4:26 pm

    But, now as I type it, when you have made political enemies of a Human Rights Commissioner, Save the Children and the UN, your intent seems clear.

    And we travel a similar path … to quote … me …

    “””The new Social Liberalisation of Australia … or is that Liberal Socialism … or Liberal Nationalism …. or National Socialism …”””

    #both groups are tax-payer subsided workers, with the `businesses` getting the major benefit, but the `numbers` are kept from the public.

    Yes … another “privatisation” con job on the people … the CES (Commonwealth Employment Service) was far more effective in matching employers and employees … (having used the “service” from both ends) … they concerned themselves with jobs … not counting live humans in and out of the door …

    highly paid `check-out`chicks …

    Many are actually young men if you look … as for highly paid????

    From my own perspective I refuse to use “self-serve” and loudly tell everyone why …

    Once all the jobs are robotised … what do the Robber Barons do then … build concentration camps and fool us with slogans like … “Arbeit Macht Frei”

    When there is no work … reason … meaning … society … love … caring … families … or $$$$$$ …

    Or does social independence kick in for all and we live a parallel to Star Trek’s Federation of United Planets … where people do what they excel at … within a society unrestrained from basic human needs … and greed …

  125. March 28, 2015 5:25 pm

    highly paid `check-out`chicks

    teebz”””Many are actually young men if you look .. as for highly paid????”””

    retail workforce study””””Traditionally, job roles in retail have been highly stratified by gender, type of occupation and whether employees work on a part-time or full-time basis.44

    As Table 12 shows, the occupation with the highest percentage of women is Pharmacy Sales Assistants (93 per cent), followed by

    ##Checkout Operators## and Office Cashiers (77 per cent). More than two-thirds (70 per cent)”””””’

    http://www.awpa.gov.au/our-work/sector-specific-skill-needs/Documents/Retail%20workforce%20study%20word.docx

    +

    #l`ve always seen previously, `check-out`chicks were a bit over 2/3rds female, (66-70%) teebz, yeah sure, there will be `locations` here and there that will be exceptions. l think the 77% this study uses is probably a bit over-blown, but then again, they did insist on using the ABS and l wonder if the ABS `believe` their own numbers here too.

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 28, 2015 6:10 pm

  127. March 28, 2015 6:45 pm

    Don`t worry kneel, we both know the garden-gnome will squeak back in. Let`s face it, nsw contains a special class of stupid, and they won`t have learned yet. They need a double-dose of teabag before `learning` will kick-in.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2015 7:10 pm

    Yeah, why do I get pissed off with catliks …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-priest-apologises-for-comments-about-about-jill-meagher/story-fnii5sms-1227281953138

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    #l`ve always seen previously, `check-out`chicks were a bit over 2/3rds female, (66-70%) teebz, yeah sure, there will be `locations` here and there that will be exceptions. l think the 77% this study uses is probably a bit over-blown, but then again, they did insist on using the ABS and l wonder if the ABS `believe` their own numbers here too.

    Shakes head … in today’s environment your original remark was SEXIST!

    My reply was … being “kind” … a simple “checkout operator” would suffice … and you added to the insult by calling them “highly paid” …

    You are aware of the battle for equal pay?

  129. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2015 7:17 pm

    You are aware….

    Therein lies perhaps the answer TB 😉

  130. March 28, 2015 8:05 pm

    tb”””’your original remark was SEXIST!”””’

    #only to pc-types that probably have never done the job, having just asked a `check-out`chook (too old to be a chick) most of`em use the term themselves, so disagree/wrong

    #but don`t take our word for it,

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/the-grandmother-of-checkout-chicks/story-e6frfm9r-1226437067559

  131. March 28, 2015 8:09 pm

    we just can`t take the word of the `working-class` tho teebz, we better check what the `elite` say over at brw

    brw””””I`m over work. I am over the travel, the politics. I have been there 15 years in May. I wouldn`t go back into a branch because I don’t like the sales and the quotas.” These women had the added difficulty of parents who required caring and who couldn’t provide babysitting support for them.Their ideal job? Check-out chick. School-friendly hours, you could forget about it when you’re finished and get 5 per cent off groceries.

    I hear a version of this conversation almost every time I listen to mothers talk about work.””””””’

    http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/rise_of_the_checkout_chick_when_vURNROSkgbnDqxkGAJVRIN

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2015 5:51 pm

    Well thanks for the edification, tbagz …

    But just because people other than you use a phrase or word doesn’t make the remark non-sexist … especially to people who work on checkouts (male and female) …

    … but then you add further to the demonstration of iggorance and use the term – “chook (too old to be a chick)” …

    … so we now have a sexist remark neatly coupled with an ageist remark …

    Well done … 🙄

    Fkn astounding …

  133. March 29, 2015 7:31 pm

    teebz””””””But just because people other than you use a phrase or word doesn’t make the remark non-sexist … especially to people who work on checkouts””””

    #Let`s un-pack that

    +

    But just because `check-out-chicks` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-sexist, especially to people who work on checkouts

    +

    But just because `waitress/es` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-sexist, especially to people who work as `waitperson/s`

    +

    But just because `gays` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-`phobic`, especially to people who are homosexual

    +

    #you`re peddling political correctness gone-mad teebz, l would consider it `iggorance` to try and ram down other demographic groups throat, the `slang` THEY-choose to use about/for themselves. EG l don`t particularly like the term `nigger`, but you have no hope in hell of convincing me to lecture the `hip-hop/rap-crowd` about it. lt`s THEIR choice.

    #Yes, l know several `waitress/es`, that say they go `waitressing`, NOT `waitpeople` going `waitpeopling/waitpersoning`

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2015 8:00 pm

    tbagz …

    Obviously NYC …

    FYI, I told three Gen X men as, I took ’em to a beer tasting in town yesterday, what we were talking about, (two of ’em ex ADF and one a truckie) … they flipped … most original comment, “what a fucking Dickhead®!”

    If you want to trade anecdotal quotes of you quoting a quote of someone reflecting what they thought was a quote from a complete stranger(s) …

    Do keep up … or head for your cave … winter is coming …

  135. March 29, 2015 10:03 pm

    tb”””two of ‘em ex ADF and one a truckie””’

    fascinating, and you `all` have a waitress and/or check-out-chick in family or girl-friends.?

  136. March 29, 2015 10:07 pm

    hint, holding-up adf/a personnel as an argument for `non-sexist` quotes or behaviour is not really a `strong` case

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 30, 2015 9:24 am

    Well I guess Labor could learn a lesson or two from the weekend:

    1. Reverting to traditional ALP memes like the Yellow Peril and the White Australia Policy doesn’t cut it any more.

    2. Dancing to the Union tune is not a good look.

    3. Plastering Sam Dastardly all over the media is pissing in our faces. It only reminds us that the ALP is rotten to the core. Remember, at the very same time that there was talk of the need to decrease Union control of the Party, Feeney and Dastyari were given parliamentary sinecures as reward for clawing their way to the top of the Unionland shit-pile.

    4. Memo to union hack Foley: The Greens are your enemy. They are rendering the ALP increasingly irrelevant. The Koala Summit and other Green arse-licking tactics make you look stupid and are a step towards your own demise.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2015 11:24 am

    …and Shorten, committed to putting authority into the people who join the party and reducing the control of the union hacks, failed to meet his commitment.

    His failure was so complete that he didn’t even attend the state conference.

    Unions ;continue to rule the party, over the heads of actual ALP members.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2015 12:37 pm

    hint, holding-up adf/a personnel as an argument for `non-sexist` quotes or behaviour is not really a `strong` case

    I was making the case its a strong as yours … but if you see nothing wrong then who I am to prevent you from being snotted one day – or night …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Treasurer Joe Hockey said on Sunday that the bank deposit levy – 0.05 per cent levy on deposits up to $250,000 – was shadow treasurer Chris Bowen’s tax because he proposed it when in government.

    I want to know why its up to $250,000 and not from $50,000 … I recall the banks putting a fee on balances under $500 …

    Bowen’s brain fart or not it wasn’t introduced – why is Jockey still trying to thump the poorer end of town?

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2015 12:56 pm

    You can gain an idea of the reason public servants need to be refreshed frequently by this little “complexity” gem …

    “Overly risk-averse attitudes from policy advisers and administrators, combined with complex legislative drafting styles, have also led to complexity. Governance arrangements should ensure tax design and administration practices minimise unnecessary complexity and support the implementation of sound tax.”

    How much do we pay these wankers?

    20% across the board tax on any income … no claims, no income tax returns …

  141. March 30, 2015 10:58 pm

    The meat and potatoes issue is,

    check-out chicks are being laid-off by major retailers as `self-serve` check-outs are installed

    #and l will go further and predict, the usual celebrity, talking-head feminista that court the media will totally ignore these women and their job-loss and/or job-reduction. So will teabag-media. That is largely why the females in my family think the feminista are cranks and largely useless, and only dabble in political correctness. (Notice many power-women publicly claim NOT to be feminists, gina, joolya, jooLIE-b, albrectsen, kelly-wbc-ceo)

    #you tb, have done what the feminista often do, and make much ado about little, remember Greer on qandaland making much ado about joolya`s jackets and joolya`s arse.?

    +

    teebz”””I was making the case its a strong as yours”””#WRONG

    #it is strange to see somebody that just bleated `sexist`, demographics white, male, probably never been a check-out chick, safari-suiter, thongs, think he has the right to call women that call `themselves` check-out chicks `sexist` is just plain absurd.

    hint, HER WORDS ””’check-out chook, (too old to be a chick)””’

    +

    btw, maybe sometime `dunny-scrubber` or `broom-pusher` will be used by me, save your breath, l think we `all` have been cleaners at some time or the other, no, not `sanitation-technician` or any other politically correct corporatised americanisms of the day either. We just don`t subscribe to that shit, tho you can if you want to.

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:12 am

    ”check-out chicks are being laid-off by major retailers’

    Yeah!!

    If only we could get rid of self-serve petrol stations too! And have a couple of guys walking around 25 cars filling the tanks and then going in and getting some cash change for us.

    And if only we could get rid of those scanning things and go back to the days when lots of people used to go around putting a price on everything and those checkout chicks used to push the buttons to add up the price.

    And if only Al Gore didn’t invent the internet, then we wouldn’t email all the time and we’d need even more posties to deliver lots more letters and Australia Post would be raking in the money instead of going broke.

    And if only nanna roxon didn’t make cigarettes have brown packs, we would all be smoking better quality tobacco and be healthier.

    And if only the teabagz or the feministas didn’t make that plane get shot down over the Ukraine

    Yeah!!

  143. March 31, 2015 9:28 am

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:28 am

    There is a good piece in the Tele today on the Green demographic. Gentrification has meant that ordinary working folk have been driven out of by moralising Greenie wankers. It is a sign of the times. ALP workers out, upper-middle class Greens in. No doubt Albo will, sooner or later, be replaced by a Green.

    Sadly, privileged lefties have swarmed inner-city neighbourhoods like a plague of cockroaches bidding up the price of housing so that the next generation of workers cannot afford to live there. As the old generation of workers dies out a flock of smug vultures, squawks and flaps and drools at the prospect of nirvana through inner city realty. Hypocritically their happiness depends on them perfecting the middle class lifestyle, all cafes, restaurants and wanky art galleries. Kill. Them. All.

  145. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:36 am

    “”Hypocritically their happiness depends on them perfecting the middle class lifestyle, all cafes, restaurants and wanky art galleries. “”

    Turkeys voting for Thankgiving comes to mind.

  146. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:38 am

    The Hon(ey) hockey proves just what Ge:nius he is reb.

    profits mean ….. 😯

  147. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:40 am

    And with Easter (and the accompanying bonanza of people on HOLIDAYS), the cafes want even MORE profits (which is not the same as a loss)

  148. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:41 am

    Well fuck ’em I say, and, if see any of these posters, this is what I’ll be doing also, going elsewhere

  149. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:51 am

    hockney shows just how talented he is with numberry things.

    The release of the December quarter financial accounts this week underscores the continuation of some concerning trends across the economy. Debt levels have reached record highs at 250% of GDP. And this is occurring due to rapid increases in the sectors where it is undesirable and not enough in sectors where it is needed. Of the former, household indebtedness hit a fresh record high in the quarter as the sector chases dwelling prices higher. This will become of increasing concern when interest rates do eventually rise again from a current record lows. The Commonwealth government’s debt also hit a fresh record high in the quarter. This is a reflection of the government not being able to pass any significant saving measures and a weaker nominal economy than expected.

    And unfortunately is not due to the significantly more preferable borrowing for well reasoned and costed infrastructure projects.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/03/rise-rise-rise-australian-debt/

    and, further down

    The key driver of the rise was Commonwealth government increasing its gross debt levels by $75bn, again the largest annual rise in the history of the series.

  150. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:59 am

    “………why are new cafes & restaurants opening at a rate of knots””

    Family businesses don’t pay penalty rates

  151. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:02 am

    “”Better a colon than semi-colon, which would have come across as half-arsed “”

    The Left and its usual arsehattery antics.

    Why talk about important policy when we can blather on with the usual fucking stupid sniping ?

  152. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:03 am

    Family businesses don’t pay penalty rates

    So all those bar staff, waiters and baristas I see are ‘family’ are they ROFL

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:03 am

    Profits – Hockey puts it so well. Statesman like.

  154. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:20 am

    “”So all those bar staff, waiters and baristas I see are ‘family’ are they ROFL””

    Not all but plenty would be. In fact the largest growth I have anecdotally seen myself is in the hole in the wall specialty coffee outlets that open at 6:30am and are closed by 5pm. They are so tiny they would barely pay any rent.

    They just sell coffee and snacks all day long and are often staffed by a man and a woman only.

  155. March 31, 2015 10:26 am

    “”They just sell coffee and snacks all day long and are often staffed by a man and a woman only.””

    So highly profitable then.

    What was your argument again…?

  156. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:26 am

    Why talk about important policy

    Unless you are in grubmint and not opposition

    A crackdown on superannuation concessions received by the wealthy appears to be the next major tax reform, with both sides of politics declaring they are looking to tackle the issue.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-reform-super-concessions-for-the-wealthy-in-the-firing-line-20150330-1maxz5.html

    Except Labor looked at tackling this, and did, against much opposition from the opposition and their cheerers. hockey even scrapped the 15 per cent tax on super earnings over $100,000, and now wants to “look into it”. Fix ya fuckups first hock:ey

  157. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:45 am

    “So highly profitable then.”

    They are indeed somewhat profitable. But only because they don’t pay penalties and they don’t take many breaks.

    If you look at the Award you’ll find that penalties also apply to openings before 7am.

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:59 am

    “What was your argument again…?”

    Something about a man and a women being highly profitable. Presumably if you put two men in a hole in the wall all day their specialties might expand include other things, like donuts. Profitability would depend on the manner and duration of service.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:01 am

    Why talk about important policy when we can blather on with the usual fucking stupid sniping ?

    Oh, the irony …

    Someone should tell Jockey that you suffer a loss, you don’t make one …

    I see the Tax Report wants a serious look at negative gearing too … its interesting to watch which TV programs leave it out of the list …

    They are indeed somewhat profitable. But only because they don’t pay penalties and they don’t take many breaks.

    That’s because they don’t get pissed off with the conditions because they are making a living

    If you look at the Award you’ll find that penalties also apply to openings before 7am.

    Because employees aren’t family and have their own lives to lead …

    Its easy to see people who haven’t worked for wages …

    I used to work four hours overtime every day except Friday – if I worked the extra day tax would take all my overtime @ time and a half …

    Penalty rates can be bypassed by paying people over the award (ie a decent living wage) … businesses always have a choice … but the hours are inconsistent …

    I was once “given” a management training consultancy (RTO) along with two consultants … after doing the numbers and checking the resumes, I “gave it back” … the headaches involved would have netted us @$20,000 … not worth it …

  160. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:11 am

    But only because they don’t pay penalties and they don’t take many breaks.

    And they reap the rewards personally from their business. A Wage worker won’t, they’ll just have the shit hours, without the benefits of a “somewhat profitable” business.

    If you look at the Award you’ll find that penalties also apply to openings before 7am.

    Cos getting up at 5 is not always “lifestyle choice”

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:13 am

    IT sounds like the name of a new TV station and it could prove to be just as entertaining.
    Jacqui Lambie is setting up her own political party to highlight Tasmanian issues on the national stage.
    The independent senator, previously a member of the Palmer United Party, has applied to the Australian Electoral Commission to register the Jacqui Lambie Network.

    What a complete joke.

    PUP – a mad woman, a fat crazed ex footballer and a fat mad bloke (with his side kick)

  162. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:13 am

  163. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:15 am

    the Jacqui Lambie Network.

    An unique way to search for a rich, well hung hubby perhaps

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:16 am

    Re – weekend & early/late penalty rates-

    They shouldn’t apply to bona fide full time students who work less than 24 hours per week.

    Problem solved.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:24 am

    All talk no action … the Mad Abbott and the Acolytes get all wobbly when it comes to “sharing” the pain …

    THE federal government appears reluctant to accept Labor’s bipartisan support to crack down on superannuation tax concessions for the wealthy.

    “COMPLETE rubbish” is how one government frontbencher has described the plan to rein in concessions, estimated to cost the budget $30 billion in revenue.

    Parliamentary secretary Steve Ciobo said only a small number of people had large sums in their super accounts.

    It was “nickel and dime stuff” in the grand scheme of things.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-reluctant-on-labor-super-offer/story-e6frfku9-1227285521646

    And I can get over the amount of deceitful drivel this government exudes …

  166. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:26 am

    They shouldn’t apply to bona fide full time students who work less than 24 hours per week.

    Why not?

  167. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:27 am

    Parliamentary secretary Steve Ciobo said only a small number of people had large sums in their super accounts.

    Did the journo ask if he was one of them?

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:27 am

    Why would millionaires join parliament … to get richer … and richer … and richer … by manipulating the system …

    They are NOT royalty … but they fucking act like they are!

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:29 am

    Indeed, TR!

    The avoidance of reforms to negative gearing and trusts is glaringly obvious!

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:31 am

    And is there any mention of post pollies perqs in the tax report … not on your bleedin’ Nelly …

    Some people would like us all to just shut up and quietly go a way … instead of “sniping” …

    … that generally happens when a few of the rounds find their mark …

  171. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:50 am

    Proportion of funds (%)

    Asset ranges

    2012–13

    $0–$50,000

    6.7%

    >$50,000–$100,000

    5.1%

    >$100,000–$150,000

    5.4%

    >$150,000–$200,000

    5.1%

    >$200,000–$500,000

    24.7%

    >$500,000–$1m

    23.4%

    >$1m–$2m

    17.6%

    >$2m–$5m

    9.9%

    >$5m–$10m

    1.8%

    >$10m

    0.4%

    Total

    100%

  172. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 11:57 am

    Nickel and Dime stuff Walrus

    Only supposed to reap $10 Billion over 4 years.

    Meanwhile

  173. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 12:04 pm

    And the grubmint shows it has no plan to combat Climate Change. We did, but they got rid of it.

    Australia’s climate change policy on course for ‘disastrous’ 4C warming

    The government’s just-released discussion paper on emissions reductions has no mention of the global goal to limit warming to 2C

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/30/australias-climate-change-policy-on-course-for-disastrous-4c-warming

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 12:35 pm

    I see Wally’s gone into meltdown again …

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 12:38 pm

    TR, do you get the impression Australia is becoming more like Russia every day? A rogue state!

  176. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 12:53 pm

    “…..do you get the impression Australia is becoming more like Russia every day? A rogue state!”

    If anyone has gone into “meltdown” it seems to be you…………………..pantzwetter

  177. March 31, 2015 1:03 pm

    “Not only did carbon emissions rise once carbon tax repealed, but household consumption of electricity boomed”

    Let’s see if Labor is stupid brave enough to go to the next election promising to reintroduce a carbon tax. The Kouk thinks it’s a good idea, apparently.

  178. March 31, 2015 1:08 pm

    ““COMPLETE rubbish” is how one government frontbencher has described the plan to rein in concessions, estimated to cost the budget $30 billion in revenue.”

    I think you’ll find that $30 billion is the total amount of all super concessions. The proposed tinkering around the edges on concessions for the “most wealthy” would amount to a fraction of that.

    Does anyone seriously propose scrapping all super concessions?

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:09 pm

    So I wonder which monstrous American pharmaceutical company will patent this … ?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/a-10th-century-recipe-for-eye-infections-has-tested-more-effective-than-modern-day-antibiotics/story-fnjwl1aw-1227285954684

    If anyone has gone into “meltdown” it seems to be you…………………..pantzwetter

    LOL! You do know you are only foolin’ yersel’, Sir Walter … keep tryin’ … its good for a laugh …

  180. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:10 pm

    brave enough to go to the next election promising to reintroduce a carbon tax.

    They have already said this is one of their policies tosy

    http://www.news.com.au/national/carbon-tax-gone-but-labor-leader-bill-shorten-vows-to-revive-it/story-fncynjr2-1226992713084

  181. March 31, 2015 1:11 pm

    “They have already said this is one of their policies tosy”

    Guffaw. How courageous of him.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:15 pm

    Does anyone seriously propose scrapping all super concessions?

    Only those used as a tax haven … Wally will explain …

    √12% x 34 / 52 – 67.3214 x 3 ÷ 90⅜ ≤ 1000.012 ≈ 9 ± 32456789 ≠ 0000000 = very rich

    🙂

  183. March 31, 2015 1:19 pm

    No need to explain, Walrus. I understand TB’s “equation” completely. 😉

  184. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:26 pm

    The proposed tinkering around the edges on concessions for the “most wealthy” would amount to a fraction of that.

    A number (not hockeys, so it could be correct) was highlighted in that news.com article that it might be around $10billion over 4 years.

    And the libs seem to think that is “tinkering”

    The same ones lauding their “red-tape” days ROFL

  185. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:32 pm

    The Abbott government has no intention of ever repaying government debt. None. It has, quite quietly, announced that it plans to keep borrowing so that government debt remains at 13 per cent of GDP right out to at least 2054-55 which means government debt will be $1.6 trillion. Yes $1.6 trillion of government debt.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/mr-hockey-s-plans-for-1-6-trillion-of-government-debt.html#.VRn_2GoA0fI.twitter

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:32 pm

    “TR, do you get the impression Australia is becoming more like Russia every day?”

    An interesting take on Russia today. A magical state?

  187. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:44 pm

    “No need to explain, Walrus. ”

    Perhaps he will next explain how his flat tax without deductions or was it a flat earth policy would work on a building project.

    Imagine being a builder who builds a new house but does not get a deduction for any of the labour he has hired or any of the materials.

    Could you just imagine how much the price of that house would skyrocket………………………..new home buyers would be really impressed by TB as PM……………………Not

  188. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 1:45 pm

    “”Only those used as a tax haven … ”

    So that’s a “Yes” ?

  189. March 31, 2015 1:49 pm

    “The Abbott government has no intention of ever repaying government debt. None.”

    I’m confused. Does the Kouk think this is a good thing or a bad thing? Or does he, like your three other gurus, think we should borrow an additional, say, $100 billion because money’s never been so cheap?

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 2:03 pm

    “The Abbott government has no intention of ever repaying government debt. None.”

    Sounds like real panic that the Libs might be copying the ALP strategy!

  191. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2015 2:14 pm

    I’m confused.

    So’s the monkey tosy 😉

    I mean, we WERE in a BUDGET EMERGENCY!!

    DEBT IS BAD!!

    But now, debt is good, s long as the libs are running it … apparently

    You see the confusion people just might be experiencing? 😯

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 2:17 pm

    It seems that when the ALP had Julia or Kev in charge, debt wasn’t a problem (according to Tom R and Kouk)

    Now that we have Tony & Joe in charge, debt is a problem.

  193. March 31, 2015 2:23 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Tribunal finds that you don’t have to be on drugs to play for Essendon.

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 2:28 pm

    This is a surprise. Given you have to be on drugs to watch the sport I’d always assumed you would need even better drugs to play it.

  195. March 31, 2015 2:55 pm

    “But now, debt is good, s long as the libs are running it … apparently”

    Debt is out of control. The government (this one, or a future Labor government, it makes no difference) will have to keep borrowing more and more, just to meet normal government expenditure. Without drastic reform, this is the situation we all now face.

  196. March 31, 2015 3:03 pm

    Historical Stats for Commonwealth Government Securities on issue, 1983-2014. Note something very peculiar happened between 1996 and 2007: debt went down every single year!. Why is it so?

    Table H13: Government securities on issue at 30 June 1983 to 2014

    Table H14: Government securities on issue, Australian dollar and foreign currency denominated, as a percentage of GDP from 1983 to 2014

  197. March 31, 2015 3:14 pm

    “Given you have to be on drugs to watch the sport”

    You don’t have to be, Splatter, but it certainly enhances the experience.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 3:14 pm

    LOL! Yer’ve gotta laff … negative gearing any one … LOL!

    Mr Hockey denied he’d “lost sight of it all”, saying he used to sweep the floor of his family real estate agency.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/treasurer-joe-hockey-denied-hes-lost-sight-of-his-values/story-fncynjr2-1227285914133

    Now tell me why millionaires become pollies … conflict of interest or what?!!!

    Just how “objective” is Jockey?

    It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking frightening! 👿

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 3:16 pm

    Essendon Football Club – Press Release
    Statement by James Hird
    On behalf of the club, I would like to say that we are glad this sorry saga has ended and the result has vindicated the club culture.
    Forthwith I am pleased to say Essendon Football Club will –
    • Resume injecting players with god knows what, and other stuff as well
    • Decline to keep records of the stuff we inject
    • Ensure our players sign consent forms, to protect the club from any problems about injecting them with some stuff that we feel like injecting
    • Use only the most highly qualified quacks to inject them
    • Engage only the best public relations companies and lawyers to protect our interests and reputation

    Personally, I’ve never stopped injecting stuff to make my hair blonder and my skin browner. I recommend it!

    James Hird
    Senior Coach
    Essendon Football Club

  200. March 31, 2015 3:17 pm

    “”he used to sweep the floor of his family real estate agency.””

    Just like Malcolm used to live in a rented flat.

    Pass me the fkn violin.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 3:37 pm

    “””” I understand TB’s “equation” completely. “””””

    Thank Christ for that … ’cause I don’t … 🙂

    Without drastic reform, this is the situation we all now face.

    Which situation is that, ToSY … the debt one? Or the budget? Or the economy? I thought we were talking about tax? Or is it spending cuts? As opposed to income?

    They got the first bit right … “Create chaos …” but fkd the last bit right up “… then control it”

    Note something very peculiar happened between 1996 and 2007: debt went down every single year!. Why is it so?

    BHPB and Rio Tinto dug more holes?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Given you have to be on drugs to watch the sport

    That’s quite gratuitous of you, sb … to call it a “sport” …

    … pi-i-i-i-i-ng ——- po-o-o-o-o-ong … six points for one goal and a consolation point if you miss …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Imagine being a builder who builds a new house but does not get a deduction for any of the labour he has hired or any of the materials.

    Why should they get a deduction … ?

    We live in a market economy … capitalism thrives on competition – doesn’t it?

    Material – 20% GST Boom!

    Subby/contractor … 20% of the value of the contract Boom!

    Tradies – 20% of income Boom!

    Tools – 20% GST … Boom!

    Complexity – 0%

    Simplicity – 100%

    Tax consultant … 0%

    Time for ATO to clamp down on cashies and sneakies – 100%

    (The 20% is arbitrary – shift up or down as you please …)

    If you don’t understand it, ToSY will explain it to you … 😉

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2015 3:43 pm

    I bet you the changes to Superannuation that Labor supporters want have the opposite effect.

    If wealthy people are not encouraged to contribute extra to Super i bet you they find other ways to avoid tax and the extra tax that the govt wants to collect may end up being the same or even less. The ALP is the party of the unintended stuff ups.

    I can’t think of anything at the moment but i am sure there are other ways the wealthy can avoid tax. Best to let them put money into Super and the govt gets at least 15%.

  203. March 31, 2015 3:50 pm

    February 2013, Australia’s Blackest Day In Sport press conferenve. Gillard Labor government then-Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare and then-Sport Minister Kate Lundy point the bone jump to conclusions:

    August 2014, Tony Abbott:

    ‘THE blackest day for Australian sport was actually a “pathetic” move by the Gillard government to manipulate the news cycle for its own political ends, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says.

    ‘Mr Abbott today stepped up his criticism of the previous Labor government’s response to claims of doping, game-fixing and links with organised crime within the country’s most popular sporting codes.

    ‘“I’m not saying everything’s perfect when it comes to sport and performance-enhancing drugs,” he told 2GB.

    ‘“But far from being the blackest day for Australian sport, it was a black day for politics frankly, it was a black day for the Labor Party.”

    ‘Realising it was in “all sorts of trouble”, the government had chosen to tarnish the reputations of Australia’s sporting elite and use the Australian Crime Commission to do it for a short-term political distraction, he said.

    ‘“It was a really silly, squalid, sordid thing for them to do … it’s absolutely pathetic,” he said.’

  204. March 31, 2015 3:58 pm

    “I can’t think of anything at the moment”

    No shit.

  205. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 4:05 pm

    “If you don’t understand it, ToSY will explain it to you …”

    Highly unlikely. ToSY tends to stick with rational concepts.

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2015 4:11 pm

    “Labor senator Sam Dastyari accused Mr Ferguson of a “bastard act” and the party is now considering a motion to expel him.”

    Obviously Sam Dastardly has no comprehension that he, and the corrupt cronyism that put him in the Senate, is the real problem. The reason Labor is out of touch is that it is so insistent on doing the bidding of its union overlords.

    Ferguson had the temerity to tell the Union lackey Foley what Keating and others had told previous NSW Labor leaders – serve the people not the Unions. For his trouble he gets a good screeching from someone who, in any sane world, would be a laughing stock – so enfeebled of brain, so crafty with deals and secrets is he.

    If you want to be really hated in the Labor party make sure you are the one telling it like it is – pedophiles, sleazebags and crooks get off lightly by comparison in Unionland.

  207. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 4:12 pm

    So lets see how this works on a $500,000 home using YOUR percentages

    Material – 20% = $100,000

    Subby/contractor … 20% of the value of the contract = $100,000

    Tradies – 20% of income = $100,000

    Tools – 20% = $100,000

    So the builder receives $500,000 in gross income and after paying for all the above (that’s $400,000) he is left with $100,000 before tax.

    So the ATO then steps in and takes 20% of $500,000 = $100,000

    Yeah………………that’ll really take off.

  208. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 4:15 pm

    “Obviously Sam Dastardly has no comprehension that he, and the corrupt cronyism that put him in the Senate, is the real problem. ”

    Imagine if that stupid c**t had been around when the dollar was floated or tariffs were reduced.

    Keating and Hawke would have been booted from the ALP.

    The ALP is soooooooooooooooo seriously fucked up these days there is no way back for them.

    Party of Reform..?………….Bullshit !

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2015 4:22 pm

    The reason Labor is out of touch is that it is so insistent on doing the bidding of its union overlords.

    They are still ahead in the polls. Just imagine how far in front they would be if they had some decent people.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 6:55 pm

    Yeah………………that’ll really take off.

    So re-work it! That was the idea!

    Jockey and The Mad Abbott want a discussion so rather than sniping (your word not mine) at my ideas offer some of your own …

    I’ll sip on my nice ice cold Mumm as I wait …

    On another note …

    The ALP is soooooooooooooooo seriously fucked up these days there is no way back for them.

    So you think the amateurs currently in power are better? Why?

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2015 7:57 pm

    ”blackest day in sport

    I think that puts paid to any leadership ambitions for Jason.

    Next time I think he should narrow the scope of the statement.

    “This is the blackest day in Australian ballroom dancing”

  212. March 31, 2015 8:17 pm

    blubbers””””””””’Family businesses don`t pay penalty rates”””””””””’

    #l see the dogs are returning to their vomit again.

    #You can`t possibly know whether `all` family business owners are drawing triple-time, double-time, ten-fold-time equivalents.

  213. March 31, 2015 8:19 pm

    Returning again to their vomit,

    blubbering”””””they don`t take many breaks””””’#pigs-arse

    #it`s just that cocooned cnuts that dwell behind desks don`t see them, for example motor-mechs and their ta might have their regular lunch-break at a slower part of the day, 1100-1130, so that they are ready for the 1200-100 busier period, when `accountant` types are most likely wanting to drop their vehicle in, and then have an arvo-smoko 200-220ish #teabag

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2015 8:47 pm

    I remember a doc arriving at 4:00 pm with his BMW for a four hour service (booked in for 11:00 am … and suggesting to me (service advisor) that we could put more mechs onto his car to get the service done more quickly … “like putting more surgeons on to finish the operation more quickly?” … or “more GP’s to speed up a diagnosis? You mean”

    He got the message …

    Many “professionals” are just egotistical twits … with no understanding of the world around them …

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2015 9:09 pm

    I did not know this but apparently negative gearing was a Hawke/keating invention

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing_%28Australia%29#Political_History

    In July 1985, the Hawke/Keating government quarantined negative gearing interest expenses (on new transactions), so interest could only be claimed against rental income, not other income. (Any excess could be carried forward for use in later years.) What is less appreciated is that Hawke/Keating introduced negative gearing only six months prior.

  216. March 31, 2015 9:29 pm

    teebz””””””’checking the resumes, I `gave it back` .. the headaches involved would have netted us @$20,000”””””””””’

    #so l suppose that equated to pissing-off 1000-workers by clipping each of them 20-bucks

  217. March 31, 2015 9:38 pm

    teebz”””””’just egotistical twits .. with no understanding of the world around them”””#agree

    #what amuses me the most is that they believe the road to x-topia relies on making the poorest poorer and dictating personal liberties of others, and they don`t think there will be any of the `blow-back` that has happened in history.

  218. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:01 pm

    “Many “professionals” are just egotistical twits … with no understanding of the world around them …”

    And they found a kindred spirit in you

  219. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2015 10:03 pm

    “So re-work it! That was the idea!”

    Sorry……….I don’t deal in fundamentally stupid ideas

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2015 11:56 am

    Wally … and you brought up “sniping” …

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2015 3:30 pm

    Another monument to ALP stupidity.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vic-desal-plant-continues-to-sit-idle/story-e6frfku9-1227287759250

    VICTORIA’S $6.1 billion desalination plant will remain idle for another financial year at a cost of $1.8 million a day to taxpayers.

    STATE water reserves sit at 71.4 per cent capacity, meaning the plant has remained idle since it opened in 2012 and won’t get a water order in 2015-16.
    Victorians pay $1.8 million a day to the builders even if no water is ever ordered.

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2015 3:59 pm

    “I did not know this but apparently negative gearing was a Hawke/keating invention”

    Not so:

    In December 1967, the Commissioner of Taxation issued an income tax ruling giving tacit approval to negative gearing.[26]

    On 30 June 1983 the Treasurer announced that the Commissioner would not be changing the long standing practice of allowing deductions in full for interest on moneys borrowed to invest in rent-producing properties where the interest and other outgoings exceeded the rental income in any year.[27] This came after a brief period when the Victorian Deputy Commissioner took matters into his own hands by denying real estate investors in Victoria a deduction for interest expenses to the extent they exceeded rental income.[28]

    However by 1985 the government came to realise that negative gearing of rental properties was one of Australia’s most popular tax shelters. The Draft White Paper on ‘Reform of the Australian Tax System’, published in June 1985, estimated that negative gearing of rental properties cost the revenue about $175 million per annum, and recommended quarantining measures.[29]

    This journal article on negative gearing details the relevant history. Wikipedia seems to be wrong on this point.

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2015 6:35 pm

    Thanks Splatter

    Just goes to show that you should not believe everything in Wikipedia. I have found Wikipedia to be pretty accurate. Anyway it is usually a good place to start.

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2015 4:52 pm

    And I intend to come back to this little gem too …

    So lets see how this works on a $500,000 home using YOUR percentages

    Material – 20% = $100,000

    Subby/contractor … 20% of the value of the contract = $100,000

    Tradies – 20% of income = $100,000

    Tools – 20% = $100,000

    So the builder receives $500,000 in gross income and after paying for all the above (that’s $400,000) he is left with $100,000 before tax.

    So the ATO then steps in and takes 20% of $500,000 = $100,000

    Yeah………………that’ll really take off.

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