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Tony Abbott: “The Last Thing we want is Some Sort of Human Rights Free for All”

April 10, 2015

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AAP: Tony Abbott warns voters not to cave in to demands of Human Rights “do-gooders”

Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott says his government deserves more credit for the good work it’s doing in quashing a resurgence in political correctness and “human rights gone mad.”

In the wake of a damning report that found senior government officials were aware of human rights abuses occurring on asylum seeker detention centres on Naura and Manus Island, Mr Abbott warned voters against siding with the findings of the Human Rights Commission.

Mr Abbott told reporters in Queensland that the Coalition are the only government strong enough to stop the boats, and that any other government would have “succumbed to the cries of the human rights lawyers”.

That’s right, only an Abbott led government would have the intestinal fortitude to defend the physical, sexual and psychological torture of women and children held in its care as a significant achievement.

“Look, if we start giving these so called asylum seekers, illegals, refugees or whatever, human rights, then pretty soon everyone will want them,” he said.

Mr Abbott marked up the achievement as another feather in the government’s cap alongside scrapping the carbon tax – a former Labor government initiative designed to protect the environment for future generations.

Despite these achievements, the Prime Minister and his advisers remained puzzled by consistent polls that show that the Prime Minister has fallen out of favour in every state and territory across the country.

 

 

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2015 12:58 pm

    “succumbed to the cries of the human rights lawyers”

    I thought that was you just taking the piss again reb. Looks like yabot beat you to the punch.

    But, this pretty much sums it up.

    “This idiotic statement shows how desperate this government has become. It is astonishing that human rights has become an enemy of this government.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/09/tony-abbott-declares-only-the-coalition-strong-enough-to-stop-the-boats

  2. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2015 2:21 pm

    And (completely off topic of course) as much time as I have for Xenophon and his anti-pokies stance, when he branches out he really shows he doesn’t have much of a clue. Which is why HE shouldn’t be a Party. A party with him in it however ….

    The Abbott government’s Direct Action climate policy has been “neutered” and cannot guarantee greenhouse gas reductions, according to the independent senator Nick Xenophon, who says the government has reneged on undertakings it gave to secure his vote for the scheme.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/10/direct-action-climate-scheme-has-been-neutered-says-nick-xenophon

    I hate to say it xeno old boy, but you were warned plenty of times about the dog that is direct action. No point crying now.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2015 6:30 pm

    Nah, TR, surely this is taking the piss … “Look, if we start giving these so called asylum seekers, illegals, refugees or whatever, human rights, then pretty soon everyone will want them,” he said.

    … but then again it does have the ring of confidence authenticity about it when talking The Mad Abbott …

    Yeah, Oxymoron, does leap to simple conclusions but, sad to say, like all “good” politicians articulates them well …

    His $3.00 per $1K “suggestion” for part pension reform (from a $1.50) shows a lack of simple mathematical skills … its actually worse than the Jockey’s CPI debacle …

    If they have a discussion about pensions and super will they ask anyone who is a part pensioner to comment or ask questions I wonder?

  4. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2015 6:47 pm

    surely this is taking the piss …

    I’m pretty sure that one was TB, but, as you say, with a monk that mad, who can tell?

    Just saw this from the oz

    University heads have been pocketing massive salary increases while demanding the Senate pass government legislation to allow fee deregulation based on the ­argument their institutions are cash-strapped.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/as-universities-cry-poor-their-heads-take-home-millions/story-fn59nlz9-1227297824698?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Twitter

    So, having lost their war on Uni fees, they have turned on their previous comrades to blame them. Fucken hilarious. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of fuckwits

  5. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2015 6:50 pm

    What is it with the media and their selectivity?

    10’s at anti convoy of incontinence
    massive exposure

    10,000’s at march in march
    Zilch

    a few dozen at redkneck Australia protests
    massive exposure

    This. Nothing!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2015 7:32 pm

    Wa-a-a-a-a-ay OT … but this is why Holden ain’t Holden but General Motors and why people (most anyway) don’t buy their crap … I owned two FXs and a HD wagon (HD was translated into Hastily Redesigned in the trade – did I mention I spent 16 years in auto service) … everyone a passenger vehicle built like a TRUCK!

    For the last time HOLDEN has not existed for decades … ’tis a GM myth to flog metal (that’s all they are) in Oz …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/dodge-ram-pick-ups-are-coming-with-help-from-holden-special-vehicles/story-fnjwucvh-1227298550579

    And having been to Yankland they have no idea that Australia even has cities let alone roads … actually Septic Tanks don’t even know we exist … sort of … down there … somewhere …

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 10, 2015 8:12 pm

    Bring on the RC is all I can say.

    Do I remember correctly? Didn’t abbott grant the navy immunity from prosecution at the start of this venture into depravity? Says it all.

  8. April 10, 2015 10:01 pm

    “did I mention I spent 16 years in auto service”

    Oh. FFS!

    Did I EVER mention I’ve spent 37 years in the motor industry?

    Didn’t think so.

  9. April 10, 2015 10:11 pm

  10. April 10, 2015 10:18 pm

    Just come back from seeing Judith Lucy “Ask no questions of the moth”…

    Funny as all hell….

    “Whenever I see Tony Abbott’s face on TV these days all I think of is “burns victim”.

  11. April 10, 2015 10:28 pm

    It’s seems that “comedians” can bag one side of politics, but not the other.

    Just an observation.

  12. April 10, 2015 10:49 pm

    It seems that `hysteric shrieking shock-jock types` can bag one side of politics, but not the other. .. #Just.ANOTHER.observation.Tinfoil`osy

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2015 11:00 pm

    Jon Faine & Fran Kelly don’t quality as “shock-jock types” (apparently)

  14. April 11, 2015 12:07 am

    post””””””’only an Abbott led government would have the intestinal fortitude to defend the physical, sexual and psychological torture of women and children held in its care as a

    significant achievement.”””””””””””””’

    ”””””””Look, if we start giving these so called asylum seekers, illegals, refugees or whatever, human rights, then pretty soon everyone will want them,” he said.””””””””’

    #l know!

    #Where will it ever end.?

    #Next thing teh-gays will want marriage equality, and that would dissolve the very fabric that holds catlick marriages together!

    #Stop evil, evil, boat-people now, repent, dogs talking-snake said so.

    #Go.Team-Flat

  15. April 11, 2015 12:21 am

    yawn””’quality””#l suppose you`re correct yomm, the charter applies to my abc-radio too, (as well as tv and website) and does `somewhat` force a certain amount of `quality` onto the air-waves. l don`t listen to radio, so l can`t confirm or deny the specific `level` of `quality` on my abc-radio with your favorite `artists`, tho l do notice that from time to time video clips of them end-up on reportland and latelineland/etc, and they seem to allow `equally` mr-rabbit and blib to make lying arse-hats of themselves, in the continual search for my abc `quality` and `balance`.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:15 am

    Did I EVER mention I’ve spent 37 years in the motor industry?

    Didn’t think so.

    Ahhh … 37 years! Couldn’t get out, hey? 😥

    Feel for ya.

    Who’d ya work for, ToSY?

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/man-who-destroyed-jeep-makes-tongue-in-cheek-apology/story-fnn8dlfs-1227299144701#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-masthead-feature%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1428706516377

    o_O

    It’s seems that “comedians” can bag one side of politics, but not the other.

    Just an observation.

    Maybe one side of politics deserves more humour and laughter … or has less zingers!

    Just observin’ too … 🙂

  17. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:23 am

    It’s seems that “comedians” can bag one side of politics,

    Well, as was highlighted upthread, yabot provides the material.

    but this is why Holden ain’t Holden but General Motors

    Really ❓ No Shit 😯

    Of course, it does (did) go both ways

    Of course, someone with 16 years in auto service would have known that already 😉

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/173251/chevrolet-ss-holden-commodore-us-export-program-confirmed/

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:27 am

    et tu Brute … chuckle …

    On another topic (sreb’s not around so WGAF!)

    According to sustainability company The Seasteading Institute, autonomous ocean settlements could become a reality within the next five years.

    Check out the designs some are really quite cool …

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/incredible-floating-cities-that-could-save-us-all/story-fnjpja3r-1227298390577

  19. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:30 am

    Stargate already did that TB 😉

    I just know that I wouldn’t want the condo with kevin costner in it

  20. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:35 am

    And to “Distractify” further off topic (I take this is now a default Rostrum?)

    http://distractify.com/pinar/surreal-optical-illusions/

  21. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 9:46 am

    This WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!

    Abbott government to announce anti-vaccination parents will lose benefits

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-to-announce-antivaccination-parents-will-lose-benefits-20150410-1mie6x.html

    I have no time for anti-vaccers(?) but this is pure bastardry, especially from an anti-science mob like our grubmint. Why not with-hold payments from AGW deniers too? Yea, that’s why not!

  22. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 10:00 am

    If only the Commodore had the pms ear like some people do

  23. April 11, 2015 1:14 pm

    Cranks are funny, `this` reality denial is good, while `that` reality denial is bad. #teabags

  24. April 11, 2015 1:45 pm

    Those `floating` city`s look like nice juicy targets for tsunamis, tornados, and tewwawists. #sea.cadets .. Whatever happened to `domes` on mars. #space.cadets

  25. April 11, 2015 2:39 pm

    on my abc24, blib is saying the same thing as mr-rabbit on sending boat-people back to iran/home. #yay.choice .. #yay.teabag.lite

    +

    caucus should wake-up to themselves and instruct blib to stop saying the exact same things as mr-rabbit #shh-blib

  26. April 11, 2015 3:31 pm

    Hey Team-cheerer, l know`ya wishin`n`a`hopein the auto`s could be resuscitated,

    caradvice””””””’Holden says parent company General Motors wasn`t placed under any pressure by the federal government to arrange an export deal as part of a $275 million co-investment package””””

    #but all you will find is `coffin-nails`

    ””””’Holden says parent company General Motors wasn`t placed under any pressure””””””

    #nail.1 no pressure

    +

    ”””part of a $275 million co-investment package”””’

    #nail.2 code for taxpayers welfare-dollars

  27. April 11, 2015 3:43 pm

    CarAdvice””understands the export program involves a few thousand units, though Holden does describe the Chevrolet SS as a ”limited production derivative”.

    ”This is a real niche opportunity for us”””””””””

    #nail.3 being `niche` and being `limited` and `few-thousand-units` won`t keep an expensive, high-tech manufacturing assembly-line operating profitably for long, we have boardrooms and `licensing-fees` to pay.

    +

    ””””the sales trend for large cars continues a dramatic decline in Australia.”””’

    nail.4 wrong product

    +

    ””””””the Mazda3 to end the large car`s 15-year run as Australia’s best-selling car””””””

    nail.5 failing to learn/adapt/innovate (from industry success)

  28. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2015 4:33 pm

    being `niche` and being `limited` and `few-thousand-units` won`t keep an expensive, high-tech manufacturing assembly-line operating profitably for long

    Tell it to Ferrari 😉

    nail.4 wrong product

    Obviously you missed the discussion about how Holden Australia turned the Lemon Cruze into a world beater with Australian technology?

    nail.5 failing to learn/adapt/innovate (from industry success)

    C) above 😉

  29. April 11, 2015 5:02 pm

    tr””””Tell it to Ferrari”””’#surely even the most mindless of team-cheerers wouldn`t be foolish enough to compare an assembly-line product for the common-ish pleb to ferrari, porche and other high-end, squillionaire-market of hand-made and `tailored` or `one-off` product, and totally ignore pricing-points. Have you moved-in with kneel.

  30. April 11, 2015 5:08 pm

    Obviously””’you missed the discussion about how””” general-motors failed to sell wanted product and decided to fcuk-off once they could no longer extort the taxpayers of Aust. #team.cheerers

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2015 6:07 pm

    Obviously you missed the discussion about how Holden Australia turned the Lemon Cruze into a world beater with Australian technology?

    Ferrari???? v GM?????

    GM will need a massive input of billions of taxpayer dollars … but first they would need a niche product – what about a Mars Explorer? Military APC? I know — submarines!*

    *I had to put a sarc alert … ToSY don’t get ’em, nor does Wally … and they certainly skim rigt over Kneel’s baldy head … 🙂

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2015 7:19 pm

    Obviously””’you missed the discussion about how””” general-motors failed to sell wanted product and decided to fcuk-off once they could no longer extort the taxpayers of Aust. #team.cheerers

    It does not happen often but i agree with that comment. The sad thing is all the taxpayers money wasted for no reason. We could have used those millions of dollars we gave Ford/Holden/Toyota to start a local rainwater tank industry or something like that.

    I am not against subsidies but local car sales were 25% of the market in 2007. After 6 years of Rudd giving them millions of dollars they dropped to 10% of the market.

  33. April 11, 2015 8:25 pm

    smh””””””””Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon sits on the committee and said the matter could be put on the meeting`s agenda.

    ”But any suggestion that these internal factional maneuvers have any implication for Bill Shorten`s leadership is ridiculous,” Mr Fitzgibbon told Fairfax Media.””””””””””

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-dismisses-call-for-investigation-into-possible-rorting-of-labor-leadership-ballot-20150409-1mhyzb.html

    #l still suspect this will end-up blowing-up in blibs face. Of course things will heat up closer to election day as normal, but caucus over-riding members and selecting blib over albo will probably bite them in the arse. #just.a.vibe

  34. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2015 8:08 am

    Ferrari???? v GM?????

    You, like teamdopey, ignore what the comment was addressing. I was relating the this comment

    being `niche` and being `limited` and `few-thousand-units` won`t keep an expensive, high-tech manufacturing assembly-line operating profitably for long

    I didn’t say that was what Holden was, I highlighted that was what Ferrari IS. Holden still supplies the Commodores as family cars, but, the sales they lost in that market, they had made up in exports of the Commodore, until the GFC hit that is.

    l still suspect this will end-up blowing-up in blibs face.

    I do know that the meeja will try it on as hard as they can, as will the malcontents withing the Party who should have been booted with rudd. I mean “another” inquiry. Obviously they weren’t happy with the results of the first one. Why not ask Albo if he has an issue (he doesn’t, by the way)

    But, the media will milk it, as they do with any chink or alleged one (we will see the rape allegations again, trust me) in Labor.

    Yet they still refuse to examine yabot AT ALL

    I mean, has he yet provided the evidence that he is no longer a British citizen. Minor detail I guess that our PM, who our meeja pushed through, just might be ineligible for the job. Of course the meeja don’t want that sort of info coming out, do they.

  35. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2015 9:00 am

    Meanwhile, we are all getting sold out in the same way they sold GM Holden out.

  36. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2015 9:01 am

    And, the “infrastructure PM”?

  37. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2015 9:25 am

    Well, looks like I was Wrong, the papers DIDN’T ignore the rally in Melbourne over the closures of Indigenous Communities. No, they didn’t

    The Herald Sun Has Dismissed 4,000 Indigenous Rights Protesters As A “Selfish Rabble”
    Read more at http://junkee.com/the-herald-sun-has-dismissed-4000-indigenous-rights-protestors-as-a-selfish-rabble/54833#DSy1s2ZpEZJ14Cbg.99

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2015 1:10 pm

    Meanwhile, we are all getting sold out in the same way they sold GM Holden out.

    Can’t stop telling lies can you. You know telling lies helps nobody. Maybe this is one reason they left. Actually they left because it is too expensive.

    http://www.smartcompany.com.au/growth/economy/20621-20110627-automotive-manufacturers-thinking-twice-about-australian-investment-after-green-innovation-fund-scrapped.html#

    “The future of Australia’s automotive industry is in doubt, after the major manufacturers said the Government’s decision to scrap the Green Car Innovation Fund has led it to reconsider its commitment to local manufacturing……………The issue at hand is the scrapping of the Green Car Innovation Fund. ………We cut a deal with the prime minister of the country in the Lodge back in 2008, showed our business plan, as did Ford, as did Toyota, made investments and then midway through…the rules of the game changed.”

    “So it certainly worries a multinational parent when sovereign risk begins to be something that is – bandied about in terms of doing business with Australia.”

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2015 1:19 pm

    .@AndrewRobbMP asks why people think he would let the TPP make Australia worse off. Prod Com found the AUSFTA IP chapter made us worse off.

    And Andrew Robb is a moron and stupid does as stupid is …

    >>

    TR, won’t argues the toss with you anymore after this … but GM-H began its downhill slide in 1963 when Toyota and Nissan (Datsun) began imports to Australia … one of the few things that kept the Holden/Ford duopoly simmering was the V8 rivalry/racing especially the 1000’s under many sponsors at Mt Panorama …

    … and they even had to change the rules to favour the V8s then!

    After Richards and Skaife creamed the field (early 90’s) … turbo chargers were outlawed … I recall sitting in my lounge with a couple of mates, slowly getting pissed and chortling all the way to the finish line!

    Ford had pissed on the field earlier with a few Sierras as I recall …

    Holdens and Fords have always been trucks in disguise …

    And with over 60 marques to compete with they are simply outclassed in 2015 …

    We’d be better off spending on R&D into hydrogen powered vehicles or modern fireless enclosed steam engines …

    Finis …

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2015 1:20 pm

    TR, I think Kneel is making your point for you!!!!!!! 🙂

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2015 1:32 pm

    TB- the link is dated 2011.

    WE could have given every house in Australia a rainwater tank with the money Holden/Ford/Toyota got. Would not have needed those desal plants and most probably would not need any new dams for a long time.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2015 4:07 pm

    Wow give everyone a water tank and it magically fills itself – perpetually … 🙄

    Unless it happens in the cities most Australian forget about the real Australia …

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4213671.htm

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2015 6:04 pm

    Just saw a local Brisbane TV presenter say that what came out of Gallipoli was the Australian concept of mateship …

    … pity the present government don’t understand that concept …

    … after all the wars following Gallipoli … the best that, Shit For Brains, can say is … “… shit happens …”

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2015 6:19 pm

    Wow give everyone a water tank and it magically fills itself – perpetually …

    During the most sever drought on record I kept my swimming pool filled, my lawn alive (though not green) and my garden in fine condition by using rain water to fill the pool and recycling water for the garden.

    Water tanks work and would have been a far better stimulus than installing then removing pink bats.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2015 6:41 pm

    ToM, we have a 5000l SS water tank we use for drinking water … but if it doesn’t rain ??

    During the most sever drought on record … I kept … my garden in fine condition by using rain water to fill the pool …

    WTF do you consider to be a drought?

  46. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2015 7:25 pm

    During the most sever drought on record I kept my swimming pool filled, my lawn alive (though not green) and my garden in fine condition by using rain water

    😯

    WTF do you consider to be a drought?

    Well, he is from Melbourne. Less than 20mm/day would be considered a drought there wouldn’t it?

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2015 8:21 pm

    It’s simply a a factor of the area of the roof vs the area of the pool. Even after a light shower we’d get the pool filled by an inch or more.

  48. April 13, 2015 6:40 am

    tr””””’I didn`t say that was what Holden was, I highlighted that was what Ferrari IS”””’

    #and l was high-lighting what gm is not

    +

    tr”””ignore what the comment was addressing. I was relating the this comment”””

    #actually `you` ignored what l was addressing with,

    nail.3””being `niche` and being `limited` and `few-thousand-units` won`t keep an expensive, high-tech manufacturing assembly-line operating profitably for long””’

    {#paraphrased from `caradvice`}

    +

    #ferrari and other `high-end`, `custom` manufacturers would `correctly` say those things in my `nail.3` comment.

    #gm is a `volume` manufacturer, and it is wrong for them to use the `nail.3` talk, and only shows how out-of-touch the gm boardroom or/and talking-head that made the `nail.3` statements was at that time, with `their` consumers and `their` product. The `nail.3` statements demonstrates gm boardroom and senior management not only didn`t have a fcuking clue what consumers want, but also shows they didn`t have a fcuking clue about `volume` manufacturing either, and is this probably because, 1.they were too busy working-out their next extortion-pitch to Fed and State/s govt/s, and, 2.they probably no longer had the long-term workers with knowledge `continuity` still in the company (ie.lay-offs)

  49. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 8:27 am

    paraphrased from `caradvice`

    Which really is your problem then isn’t it. Holden are not/were not focussed on ‘niche’, that was one product, derived from their main product. Like the SS model here, a performance vehicle derived from a standard model. Trying to claim that is Holdens model is as stupid as claiming that niche models cannot work. It also ignores, as your following “nail” did, that the Commmodore was their only option, even after I highlighted the Cruze.

    Simple fact is, the High Dollar and the GFC (which caused massive downturns in manufacturing everywhere) brought sales down, especially exports, which all manufacturers are increasingly relying on. Against that backdrop, we had the addition of a grubmint intent on destroying the car industry, evidenced by their actions not just when they came into power, but by all the noise the party was making in the lead up to election, where they had to keep contradicting statements made by members that there would be no support. Then, when they came to power, it became evident that even that couldn’t be assured. But the final nail was when the Treasurer basically told them to leave in the midst of #QT. It was evident then just what kind of support any manufacturer would get from this mob.

    Whether or not it would have died on its own, we will never know. Considering GM were just placing a major order with Holdens here, it really looks unlikely doesn’t it? The fact is though, this grubmint did everything they could to drive them away, so must take the Lions share of the blame for their demise. And I for one will not let them forget it.

  50. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 8:33 am

    I’m still bemused over why the libs reject all science, except when it involves them taking money away from someone.

    (reminder, I’m no fan of ant-vaccers, they are as dangerous and deluded as AGW Deniers)

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 8:48 am

    The fact is though, this grubmint did everything they could to drive them away, so must take the Lions share of the blame for their demise.

    And there is your reason why ALP policies fail. ALP people have no brains. How do you explain why most of our manufacturing has left?

    Did you read this link from 2011?

    http://www.smartcompany.com.au/growth/economy/20621-20110627-automotive-manufacturers-thinking-twice-about-australian-investment-after-green-innovation-fund-scrapped.html#

    Fact is Holden knew exactly where they stood. Funding was going to happen until 2020 but they were not going to get any more than what was promised by Rudd/Gillard. You are just telling lies again. Your ignorance has destroyed our car manufacturing industry.

  52. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 8:51 am

    And hockeys headaches continue. Will Whyalla survive?

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has warned the deficit could blow out again as he prepares to write-off up to $25 billion more in revenue over the next four years by factoring in an iron ore price as low as $35-a-tonne in the May 12 budget.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/joe-hockeys-25b-iron-ore-budget-hit-20150412-1mj7gx?stb=twt

    But I found this the most interesting/hypocritical.

    “There haven’t been the wages increases that would normally give you the revenue that would help to meet growing expenditure,” he said.

    Really, the logic fails that repeatedly occur within the vast emptiness that is our treasurers head is quite impressive. Will he blame poor people for not driving enough should their Great Big New Tax on petrol fail to raise enough to satisfy his largesse to the top end of town?

  53. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 8:53 am

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:07 am

    By the way TomR the link i gave said Holden was threatening to leave under Rudd/Gillard. I guess you forgot about that.

  55. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:11 am

    Fact is Holden knew exactly where they stood.

    Precisely, and I’ll bet that was even before hockey told them to “Fuck Off!” 😉

  56. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:15 am

    I guess you forgot about that.

    I guess you forgot to note that they didn’t 😉

    This from your link is VERY pertinent to what hockey and the libs did to manufacturing in our country. And they will not be forgiven for it.

    “That is multinational companies, when they are looking at future investments in Australia, want to have a degree of certainty about the policy environment they face.”

    Meanwhile

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:17 am

    http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx

    “The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.”

    Funding was there until 2020.

    Your insane if you think Hockey had anything to do with Holden leaving. Actually not insane just dishonest. I doubt there is an honest bone in your body.

    This is what Holden said about Gillard in 2011.

    We cut a deal with the prime minister of the country in the Lodge back in 2008, showed our business plan, as did Ford, as did Toyota, made investments and then midway through…the rules of the game changed.”

    “So it certainly worries a multinational parent when sovereign risk begins to be something that is – bandied about in terms of doing business with Australia.

  58. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:22 am

    Your insane if you think Hockey had anything to do with Holden leaving.

    This is insanity

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/taunts-in-parliament-and-text-brought-about-general-motors-holdens-exit-from-australia-20131211-2z6i6.html

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:36 am

    TomR

    You said this

    This from your link is VERY pertinent to what hockey and the libs did to manufacturing in our country. And they will not be forgiven for it.

    My link was from 2011 when Gillard was in power. It shows what Gillard did to manufacturing in this country. And this is what Holden said about Gillard

    That is multinational companies, when they are looking at future investments in Australia, want to have a degree of certainty about the policy environment they face.”

    http://www.smartcompany.com.au/growth/economy/20621-20110627-automotive-manufacturers-thinking-twice-about-australian-investment-after-green-innovation-fund-scrapped.html

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:43 am

    “There haven’t been the wages increases that would normally give you the revenue that would help to meet growing expenditure,” he said.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Absofknlutely hilarious!

    Economics … NYC …. 😆

    Governmnets are not supposed to make a profit they are supposed to keep the wheels turning … but not just the squeaky ones … programmed maintenance has always been more effective and efficient than breakdowns and retro repairs … 🙄

  61. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:46 am

    It shows what Gillard did to manufacturing in this country.

    You mean, the manufacturing that remained? That is the flaw in your “argument” nIl. I realise that the term “sovereign risk” was bandied about a lot back in those days, yet it is now we see the real damage being done. Mines are closing, the automotive industry is dead, and it has nothing to do with Gillard of Carbon Taxes, and everything to do with hockey and the Liberals

    ”Are you seeing this question time attack on Holden?” read the text message, sent by a company insider. ”Taunting [Holden] to leave. It’s extraordinary.”

    Try and put that in context with your attempt to lay it at the feet of Gillard above

    So it certainly worries a multinational parent when sovereign risk begins to be something that is – bandied about in terms of doing business with Australia.

    Talk about Sovereign Risk! That should be hockeys middle name.

    You do realise that story above about GM placing an order for Commodores was in 2013? Try and put that into your logic bomb about an article from 2011.

  62. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 9:48 am

    Absofknlutely hilarious!

    Yep, hockeys problem is poor people are earning enough for him to give away to rich people 😆

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 10:34 am

    “the automotive industry is dead,”

    Same goes for most of our manufacturing. I am old enough to remember when we used to make everything and that was back in the 1970’s. And now it is mostly gone. And Abbott was not responsible for that. Companies only leave Australia because it is unprofitable, not because they are taunted to leave.

    And it was Holden who brought up Sovereign Risk relating to Gillard govt policies. My link was from 2011. I never heard Holden give Hockey a blast like they gave Gillard. And here is the blast

    We cut a deal with the prime minister of the country in the Lodge back in 2008, showed our business plan, as did Ford, as did Toyota, made investments and then midway through…the rules of the game changed.”

    “So it certainly worries a multinational parent when sovereign risk begins to be something that is – bandied about in terms of doing business with Australia.

  64. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 10:40 am

    And it was Holden who brought up Sovereign Risk relating to Gillard govt

    If you read his comment, he was referring to the term being “bandied about”

    Who was bandying it about? The fucken then opposition and their media mates. They did everything they could back then to demoralise industry, it took them getting into power to actually complete the task.

    And Abbott was not responsible for that.

    No, but he IS responsible for the loss of Holden and Toyota, and the billions lost in the renewables industry. That is all directly at his feet

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 10:44 am

    And is Abbott responsible for Ford leaving under Rudd/Gillard??

    Mate when Ford up and left it was all over. We do not need your false analysis of what happened.

  66. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 10:50 am

    Mate when Ford up and left it was all over.

    Except for the unfortunate fact that Holden and Toyota were still here, until hockey told them to “Fuck Off!”

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 11:04 am

    No he didn’t. They were threatening to leave. Hockey did tell them they were not going to get the extra money they were asking. After Ford left they wanted and extra $150M/year.

    Telling lies helps nobody. But being a Labor supporter you do not care about people.

  68. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 11:05 am

    They were threatening to leave.

    Gonna ask for a link there nIl 😉

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 13, 2015 12:04 pm

  70. April 13, 2015 1:33 pm

    2 paraphrased from `caradvice`

    tr”””Which really is your problem then isn`t it.””’

    #Well Team-cheerer, here is the `caradvice` quote, again, *sigh*

    #which looks a lot like `your` problem

    CarAdvice””””’understands the export program involves a few thousand units, though Holden does describe the Chevrolet SS as a ”limited production derivative”.

    ”This is a real niche opportunity for us””””””””

    tr””’Holden are not/were not focussed on `niche`, that was one product, derived from their main product”””#guffaw

    #nail.3 being `niche` and being `limited` and `few-thousand-units` won`t keep an expensive, high-tech manufacturing assembly-line operating profitably for long, we have boardrooms and `licensing-fees` to pay.

    #ferrari and other `high-end`, `custom` manufacturers would `correctly` say those things in my `nail.3` comment.

    tr””’Simple fact is””

    #gm is a `volume` manufacturer, and it is wrong for them to use the `nail.3` talk, and only shows how out-of-touch the gm boardroom or/and talking-head that made the `nail.3` statements was at that time, with `their` consumers and `their` product. The `nail.3` statements demonstrates gm boardroom and senior management not only didn`t have a fcuking clue what consumers want, but also shows they didn`t have a fcuking clue about `volume` manufacturing either, and is this probably because, 1.they were too busy working-out their next extortion-pitch to Fed and State/s govt/s, and, 2.they probably no longer had the long-term workers with knowledge `continuity` still in the company (ie.lay-offs)

    tr”””’Whether or not it would have died on its own,”””

    #well team-cheerer, they were not `making-it` on their `own` were they, always had their hand out for welfare.

    tr”””’we will never know.”””#guffaw

    #team-cheerers should stop trying to glue together the smoldering ashes of the auto industry, it only makes kneel look smart.

  71. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 2:29 pm

    always had their hand out for welfare.

    You only call it that if you accept that every other country producing vehicles has their own form of “welfare” too.

    And the “welfare” the automotive industry received pales into comparison with what the finance and mining industries receive (or, it did)

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2015 3:13 pm

    You only call it that if you accept that every other country producing vehicles has their own form of “welfare” too.

    Note how proponents of subsidy talk about the level per capita, not the subsidy per vehicle. Wasn’t our per vehicle subsidy about the highest in the world?

    I would have been quite willing to support continuing subsidies, as long as there was –

    • a genuine effort to reform the multitude of union coverage and eliminate the turf wars that go with that form of coverage
    • an auditable plan to move wage rates closer to the award
    • a no industrial action commitment for as long as the plants were receiving taxpayer funds

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2015 3:42 pm

    • a no industrial action commitment for as long as the plants were receiving taxpayer funds

    Didn’t you say you actually worked and/or were in a union, ToM?

    Are you getting confused with a Chamber of Commerce perhaps?

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2015 3:48 pm

    If employment is only surviving because of the generosity of the taxpayer, I think it is entirely reasonable for the taxpayers to expect the plant to operate without industrial disputation.

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2015 6:53 pm

    Who to believe?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/lies-damn-lies-and-car-subsidy-statistics/story-fnbkvnk7-1226824091831

    Reworking the figures, it turns out that Australia has subsidised the manufacturing of vehicles to an extraordinary extent — $US1885 per vehicle, compared with Sweden ($US297), Germany ($US206) and the US ($US166). In other words, Australia has the highest rate of budgetary assistance of the seven first-world countries listed.

  76. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2015 7:18 pm

    Reworking the figures

    We used to lose marks if we didn’t show our working lol

    Who to believe?

    Not the fucken oz, that’s for sure ROFL I mean look at her resource we have only to consult the Productivity Commission’s recently released position paper on automotive manufacturing.

    Yeah, this paper

    http://theconversation.com/productivity-commissions-myopic-failure-on-industry-assistance-28616

    Rubbish In, Rubbish Out. And the garbage collector nIl regurgitates it endlessly 😆

  77. April 13, 2015 8:32 pm

    tr””””””You only call it that if you accept that every other country producing vehicles has their own form of `welfare` too.”””””

    #l`ve always accepted `and` stated several times now, that auto globally focused on extorting govt/s for welfare, not focused on product.

  78. April 13, 2015 8:37 pm

    yawn””””””If employment is only surviving because of the generosity of the taxpayer, I think it is entirely reasonable for the taxpayers to expect the plant to operate without industrial disputation.””””””’

    #returning to his usual vomit l see

    #try, If boardroom is only surviving because of the generosity of the taxpayer, I think it is entirely reasonable for the taxpayers to expect the company to operate without fat-cat salary`s and `licensing`fees.

  79. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2015 8:05 am

    If employment is only surviving because of the generosity of the taxpayer

    But if those employed ARE taxpayers? Oh, wait

    And it also appears that “A fair works pay” is quite popular with taxpayers.

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