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At The Movies: “It Follows” Movie Review

April 19, 2015

Before-It-Follows

The Gutter Trash presents another instalment in our sporadic series of movie reviews especially designed for the attention span challenged.

Today, TGT went along to see the new suspense horror flick the critics are raving about.

Following a strange sexual encounter, a teenager (Maika Monroe) has disturbing visions and the inescapable feeling that someone — or something — is after her.

In short, it’s The Ring meets chlamydia.

Three and a half stars.

 

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 10:26 am

    Three and a half stars? Did you get in for free? 🙄

  2. April 20, 2015 10:54 am

    I actually really enjoyed it. Best scary movie in years. Although V thought it was crap only gave it one and a half stars.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 2:57 pm

    Mmmm … there’s a few possible replies to that … I suspect V judges more like me …

    … “The Ring meets chlamydia” … oh, you do have a way with words …? 😮

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2015 3:11 pm

    Well TB, here is the very interesting submission from the union that all those ALP barrackers were vociferously supporting!!

    The union’s backing of laissaz faire economics is particularly entertaining and will no doubt be supported by all those ALP types that were barracking for the ALAEA in November 2011!!

    http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/188319/sub0183-workplace-relations.pdf

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:07 pm

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:11 pm

    let the gouging begin

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:14 pm

    🙄

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:37 pm

    ToM laissez faire always rings bells for me …

    Laissez-faire (/ˌlɛseɪˈfɛr-/, French: [lɛsefɛʁ] ( listen)) is an economic system in which transactions between private parties are free from government interference such as regulations, privileges, tariffs, and subsidies.

    I’ll have a look at the submission later on …

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:51 pm

    … if true free market unionism had existed and membership
    demarcation lines removed.

    FREE MARKET unionism … WTF … so a nurse could join the CFMEU … a miner could become a member of HSU … yeah I could see that working … 😮

    Yeah one National Union … that would work … if you then divided the industries and trade/crafts into groups … oh wait!

    Wonder how ALAEA would feel about having its members leave for other unions because its run by a bunch of Fuckwits who don’t understand the history, purpose and functions of a union … although I see ALAEA is an Association … 😆

    I could see the Pilots Union agreeing with the concept … chuckle … all the AWU members would want to switch …

    I couldn’t see a date on that submission either, ToM …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 4:52 pm

    FREE MARKET unionism … best oxymoron of the year!

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2015 5:04 pm

    Well TB, I’d only point out that it’s the submission of the union that so many ALP barrackers were supporting.

    Don’t you remember that my criticism of the ALAEA was proof that I was anti union, and that (apparently) I was making it up when I said there was a deep rift between the ALAEA and other unions.

    Where are they now? I should pop over to Miglo’s site and remind them that THEY WERE WRONG!

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 5:48 pm

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 5:49 pm

    Don’t you remember that my criticism of the ALAEA was proof that I was anti union,

    Did we need proof?

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 5:51 pm

    All these years of union bashing, unions=BOO! must have been a figment of our imaginations!

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 6:01 pm

    …The union’s backing of laissaz faire economics is particularly entertaining and will no doubt be supported by all those ALP types that were barracking for the ALAEA in November 2011!!..

    I think there’s plenty of union supporters who are very much against laissez faire economics and are deeply disappointed with the way labor and the unions have succumbed to the fraud on working people that is neoliberal economics.

    When our politics is a two party cartel, what choice have people had?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/neoliberal-theory-economic-failure

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2015 6:13 pm

    The mad Abbott & The Acolytes latest hit Intelligence From The Enemy …

    Incompetent or naïve/ Take your pick – I’m with Wilkie … he got it right with WMD in Iraq …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tasmanian-independent-mp-andrew-wilkie-urges-government-to-abandon-intelligence-sharing-plan-with-iran/story-fns0jze1-1227311853330

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2015 6:33 pm

    What is it with the snivelling drongo and his fake “passport”? Since when was “Aboriginal” a country? Does every new passport-holder get their own ‘Welcome to Cunt’ ceremony? Probably not as they already well and truly satisfy that criterion if the cretin in the picture is anything to go by.

    The way things are going the CFMEU bruvvers will be issuing passports in the states they now control with their bikie muscle.

  18. Team Tentative permalink
    April 20, 2015 8:10 pm

    “He told ABC Radio he presented his Aboriginal passport but was told this was not a valid travel document” : “We have also consistently asked the parliament to remain open to other means of achieving reform including legislation, a treaty or treaties, and genuine implementation of the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.”

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2015 8:25 pm

    That chap could be up for a few expensive vacations if that’s the only documentation he tries to use to get into most countries. He wouldn’t be able to leave the airport.

  20. April 20, 2015 8:55 pm

    tb”””’FREE MARKET unionism .. best oxymoron of the year!”””

    #yep. l see `boo` is peddling his usual nonsense again from his know-nothing point of view, let`s face it, anybody `boo` listens to or has contact with will have the same level of bias, willful-blindness and stupidity `boo` propagates.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2015 9:40 pm

    Do we say “boo” to the union (ALAEA) for –
    *opposing Joyce
    *supporting “free market unionism

    …or

    All the other engineering unions for –
    *reaching an agreement with Qantas without disputation
    *opposing a free for all in coverage
    ?

    Perhaps an illiterate f**wit will explain which of the union positions should be supported

  22. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2015 9:47 pm

    The Aboriginal Provisional Government (APG) was formed on the 16th of July 1990. Established on the principle that Aborigines are and always have been a sovereign people, the APG campaigns for Aboriginal self-determination and self-government. Our vision is for Aboriginal people to take our place among the nations and peoples of the world, not beneath them.

    http://www.apg.org.au/

    …Rejecting assimilation into the Australian state, the APG maintains that we as Aboriginal people have the right to decide the future of our lands and lives to the exclusion of colonial interference. We ran this country once, and our sovereignty as Aboriginal people is the authority we hold to run our country again…

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2015 10:41 pm

    I can understand people having this perspective, but I don’t imagine he seriously expected the travel document to be treated as legitimate.

  24. April 20, 2015 10:54 pm

    yawn”””supporting `free market unionism”””

    That statement tells me you don`t have a fcuking clue what you`re squawking about. (ditto if it`s in that pdf)

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:10 am

    ‘modern laissez fair market based principles’

    Since when did australia go the full libertarian route? It’s like the country’s held a secret coup and we’ve all been taken hostage without our knowledge.

    I’ve never seen such ideological nonsense before. That must have come directly from the US extreme right, I can almost hear yet another another american accent reading aloud from that document.

    If that outfit ever had the honesty to put their laissez faire to the public, it would be soundly rejected by 3/4 of the country.

    It’s laissez faire capitalism that brought us the GFC, it is an economic and market failure.

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 8:56 am

    “It’s laissez faire capitalism that brought us the GFC”

    Really? We still have laissez faire capitalism? Maybe in China, but certainly not in the West.

    In fact over-regulation was a major cause of the GFC. When the government forced lenders to lend to financially undesirable types who have little prospect of honouring their loan repayments then guess what? Prices will go up and then the bubble will burst as the historic rates of mortgage repayment no longer apply. Artificially low interest rates imposed by the government didn’t/doesn’t help nor does the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac government sponsored mortgage insurance racket.

    And then, at the point of failure when laissez faire capitalism was most needed the government then bailed the failures out. The executives who made the bad decisions kept their jobs and fat salaries.

  27. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 9:59 am

    When the government forced lenders

    I think you will find that those government loans had no issues with them. It was when the banks saw that model and applied their “laissez faire capitalism” to them that issues arose.

    Unless you have evidence to the contrary 😉

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:02 am

    In fact over-regulation was a major cause of the GFC. … The executives who made the bad decisions kept their jobs and fat salaries.

    Er … make your mind up, sb … the Fanni Mae/Mac concept was abused by banks because of poor regulation and supervision … (the concept was silly to start with and government supervision negligible) … but any moron could see that sub-prime loans would never work …

    I see 110% mortgage loans creeping in here … banks are leeches … vampires … and fkn greedy ones too …

    … it was the banks who invented the “investment packets” for the sub-primes splitting up the debit problem and flogging them to Europe … and then saying it was an EU problem …

    … we STILL don’t have enough regulation of the banks and on current trends we will face a GFC II sooner than most people realise …

    Really? We still have laissez faire capitalism? Maybe in China, but certainly not in the West.

    You’d really have to be creative to explain that statement … step over the line in China and your family will get the bill for a .22 round in the mail … now that’s regulation!

    Methinks your ideology may be blocking some logical thought here …

  29. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:03 am

    and that (apparently) I was making it up when I said there was a deep rift between the ALAEA and other unions.

    I don’t think that anybody disagreed that Unions are forever in a fight over “turf”.

    And this submission just looks like a continuation of that fight.

  30. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:11 am

    We still have laissez faire capitalism?

    Then how do grubmints know if an institution is funneling moneys to tewwawists?

  31. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:11 am

    Laissez faire superannuation?

  32. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:14 am

    “It Follows”

    I’m already cringing in anticipation of the second installment, and just what the title will be “to follow” 😦

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:31 am

    Tom R – ”And this submission just looks like a continuation of that fight.”

    That’s true, but this didn’t stop many of the crowd of elderly and mindless ALP/union barrackers (many of whom are well known to you) from –
    • Barracking for the ALAEA in the dispute with Qantas
    • Denying that the ALAEA didn’t have the support of other engineering unions
    • Equating criticism of this union with a general anti-union orientation

    If only that crowd hadn’t self banned, they would be here admitting that they were WRONG and really had no idea.

  34. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:39 am

    Perhaps you can be specific with a link over your concerns yomm?

    All I remember was Unions doing their best while joyce wrecked the joint. Luckily for him, ” laissez faire capitalism” doesn’t extend to his protected airline. Luckily for us too.

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 10:47 am

    I think you will find that those government loans had no issues with them. It was when the banks saw that model and applied their “laissez faire capitalism” to them that issues arose.”

    They weren’t government loans. The sub-prime NINJA loans mandated by the Community Reinvestment Act were risky and proved to be so.

    The pea and thimble trick was to be able to write risky loans, reinsure them with FM/FM and have a ratings agency rely on the quasi-government status of FM/FM to justify higher ratings for the bundled mortgage securities.

    Other government contributions to the GFC were artificially low interest rates, which pushed up property prices and an optimistic view of the probability of the repayment of mortgages. Optimistic because it was based on past repayments with no adjustment for the fact that the profile of borrowers had changed as a result of relentless leftist pressure to lend to those unlikely to be able to repay.

    Also, it didn’t help that many states have ‘walk-away’ provisions so that you can just hand your property back to the bank if its value is underwater.

    Now, you will have noticed that I don’t say the GFC is all the fault of the government. That would be as nonsensical as saying that it’s laissez faire capitalism that brought us the GFC. There is blame enough to go around.

  36. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:01 am

    The sub-prime NINJA loans mandated by the Community Reinvestment Act were risky and proved to be so.

    Perhaps you have been reading too many murdoch sites. Those regulated by the CRA were found to be quite secure. It was the laissez faire loans that mimicked the CRA that were found to be exposed.

    Fannie and Freddie, however, didn’t pressure lenders to sell them more loans; they struggled to keep pace with their private sector competitors. In fact, their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, imposed new restrictions in 2006 that led to Fannie and Freddie losing even more market share in the booming subprime market.

    What’s more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don’t, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.

    These private non-bank lenders enjoyed a regulatory gap, allowing them to be regulated by 50 different state banking supervisors instead of the federal government. And mortgage brokers, who also weren’t subject to federal regulation or the CRA, originated most of the subprime loans.

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html#storylink=cpy

    There is blame enough to go around.

    Then why would you say this?

    In fact over-regulation was a major cause of the GFC.

    #justsayin’ 😉

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:18 am

    “Then why would you say this?”

    Because it was a major cause, along with greed, stupidity and corrupt business practices.

    The fact is that laissez faire capitalism doesn’t exist in this over-regulated age.

    Regulation is necessary for markets to work. The problem comes when regulation is directed to implementing the utopian delusions of the crack-pipe left.

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:21 am

    …Really? We still have laissez faire capitalism? Maybe in China, but certainly not in the West…

    huh, laissez faire – literally means little government involvement.
    I can’t see that anything much happens in china without government involvement, regulation and ownership. Corrupt yes, but laissez faire? I just can’t see that, the government controls everything.

    There’s too much laissez faire economics here and our banks have become too big to touch, which is why there are calls for a RC into the financial sector [not that the political duopoly wants to touch that].

    We’ve recently had the information where staff from the banks [ANZ] had been seconded to treasury and treasury staff leaving for jobs at the banks.

    How cosy is all of this?

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/tax/rio-tinto-exec-works-on-tax-inside-treasury-amid-ato-dispute-20150410-1mfrwd

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/dastyari-lashes-kpmg/story-e6frg90f-1227296580745

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:22 am

    The restructure of Qantas is showing dividends now. The turnaround was never going to be overnight or even over a single year. Good for Joyce.

    The ALAEA are/were like the pilots union of 25 years ago, they occupy a critical but very narrow area of coverage and they don’t give a crap about other unions and their members. Their self interested, long term and disruptive campaign had to be addressed as part of the restructure. Their campaign was to inflict operational and financial damage (and cause delays to passengers) without suffering any consequences for their industrial action.

    But union barrackers (“Tom R’s mates”) didn’t seem to understand that the ALAEA’s attitudes were like those of the AFAP (pilots) over 20 years earlier, the barrackers naturally migrate to the position that “unions are right” and therefore attack anyone with a legitimate alternative perspective.

    Here’s another occasion where they were demonstrably WRONG!
    ————–
    Note – there is still plenty of efficiency to be harvested from the archaic work practices and inter union turf wars in engineering and maintenance at Qantas.

  40. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:25 am

    The problem comes when regulation is directed to implementing the utopian delusions of the crack-pipe left.

    Except when the evidence, as I showed above, shows otherwise 😉

    The CRA was regulated, much like our banking here, both of which kept a lid on the sub-prime fiasco. Mind you, ours was growing out of control, we were possibly lucky it hit the US before ours got out of control.

    It was the laissez fair lenders who adopted the CRA model without the oversight where things went pear shaped.

  41. April 21, 2015 11:26 am

    bottom”””””””Now, you will have noticed that I don`t say the GFC is all the fault of the government. That would be as nonsensical””’#WRONG

    #The so-called `adults` refused to supervise the `children`, which allowed dodgey loans.

  42. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:28 am

    Here’s another occasion where they were demonstrably WRONG!

    Except of course for the “demonstrably” bit 😉

  43. April 21, 2015 11:43 am

    l see `boo` is still hanging his hat on total nonsense,

    yawn””””I said there was a deep rift between the ALAEA and other unions.””””

    #So what, and big fcuking deal. There is no `law` that says all onions have to see eye-2-eye on all things, biz-groups either.

    l would `guess` that there is a `canyon` between the coal-biz-group and the solar-biz-group.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:54 am

    In looking for the link, I happen to have noted that just 3 ½ years ago you suggested that I had to back up my claim that the ALAEA didn’t have the support of other unions in their dispute with Qantas.

    I’d forgotten!

    So you were WRONG! too! But that’s become a habit for you!

  45. April 21, 2015 11:57 am

    The delusion continues,

    our `boo` actually thinks he has a ..

    yawn”””attack anyone with a legitimate alternative perspective.”””

    #ROFL

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:57 am

    Tom R, you can read the views and counterviews on the CRA as well as I can. I have the view that it was a material factor despite all the special pleading from the usual suspects.

    “The so-called `adults` refused to supervise the `children`, which allowed dodgy loans.”

    Unlike the kiddy-fiddling left, I don’t see the relationship between government and citizens as parent/child. All too often governments are the problem, not the solution.

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 11:58 am

    Not to mention the offensive tome you used to make the request. Fortunately Tom R you seem less offensive these days.

    It was probably the company you kept.

  48. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:13 pm

    Tom R, you can read the views and counterviews on the CRA as well as I can

    Yes, which is why I came to the view that the CRA was blameless except that it provided a model unscrupulous lenders borrowed from. But that was based on the evidence provided in those “views and counterviews ” 😉

    Not to mention the offensive tome you used to make the request.

    Nasty Fats Hobbitses hey yomm 😉

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:17 pm

    OK – “tome” “tone”

    Who says I never admit to being wrong!

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:18 pm

    I wouldn’t have expected you to take any other view, Tom R.

  51. April 21, 2015 12:18 pm

    Cocooned in his cosy cubicle `boo` came up with this little gem,

    yawn””””I had to back up my claim that the ALAEA didn`t have the support of other unions””””

    #hey numb-nuts, teh `alaea` don`t need `support` from `other` onions, their JOB is to represent THEIR members wishes. Ya`whole stupid argument is based on YOUR anti-worker, onion-panic based bias, ya`then run around the interwebs trying to find snippets of bullshit to back`ya arse-backwards opinion while ignoring `core` facts.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    hey bottom, ya`might have noticed a big part of the kiddy-fiddle territory belongs to teh `right`, with all the recent dog-club representatives in the media lately.

  52. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:19 pm

    I wouldn’t have expected you to take any other view, Tom R.

    You mean the one with no supporting evidence.

    Why, thank you 😉

  53. April 21, 2015 12:27 pm

    bottom”””””’I don`t see the relationship between government and citizens as parent/child.””””

    #mr-rabbit seems to, he says everything twice like he is talking to children, and l think mentioned `adults in charge` during election,

    #what`s up splatter, fallen off the tea-trolley 🙂

  54. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:40 pm

    Lest We Forget

    http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/m/p/1/k/z/image.gallery.galleryLandscape.600×400.fhd6.png/1429508757578.jpg

    And luckily, the people show they have better respect than the media.

    As the centenary commemorations at Gallipoli draw closer, some of Australian television’s biggest names have been caught in the cross-fire at the 11th hour as network bosses begin to wonder if they misjudged the national appetite for what had previously been considered a broadcasting bonanza.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/ww1/stars-pulled-as-networks-get-cold-feet-on-gallipoli-20150420-1mos5g.html

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:40 pm

    … as a result of relentless leftist pressure …

    Aw, dem poor Republicans couldn’t cope with the pressure … they just can’t say no … to ripping people off!

    FMD, sb that’s not one of your best arguments …

    And it gets worse …

    The problem comes when regulation is directed to implementing the utopian delusions of the crack-pipe left.

    In the USA its the Republicans stopping regulations (in fact attempting to reduce or remove them) for the big businesses that run the party … no different to big business running the ALP here* … 🙂

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:46 pm

    **sigh**

    The memories…

    Adrain claiming that the dispute was just to support Joyce’s objective of having Qantas based in Texas!

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:49 pm

    Re: Lest We Forget

    Several media executives have now started to wonder if audiences have developed a case of Gallipoli fatigue, opting for fluffier shows like My Kitchen Rules instead of tuning into the grim reality of a war that shaped much of our national psyche.

    Tell that to the Vietnam Vets … I’ve now seen on two occasions commentators on TV mention, “WWI, WWII, Iraq and Afghanistan” …

    … sadly, the Korean War has always been “the forgotten war” – seems VN has now fallen into the same trench …

    We Will Remember Them …

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:49 pm

    …and reb getting banned for objecting when Joyce was called ‘a gay leprechaun’ and because he said the comment that ‘Joyce’s wife was probably a man’ was homophobic and not relevant to the topic.

    I wonder whether that lot still think they occupy the moral high ground

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:50 pm

    And Wally!

    I just saw the headlines re the Sydney storms … hope you and Mrs Walrus are alright!

  60. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:57 pm

    I wonder whether that lot still think they occupy the moral high ground

    I suppose your going to try and claim it ROFL

  61. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 12:58 pm

    In looking for the link, I happen to have noted that just 3 ½ years ago you suggested that I had to back up my claim that the ALAEA didn’t have the support of other unions in their dispute with Qantas.

    You like taking these solitary trips down memory lane without sharing. Links that is 😉

  62. April 21, 2015 1:15 pm

    Happy Anzac Day!

  63. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 1:20 pm

    Happy Anzac Day!

    😯 🙂

    As Mel Gibson once said, what’s the point of a war if you can’t laugh at it? :sarc:

  64. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 1:21 pm

    And yes, stay safe safe wally

  65. April 21, 2015 1:39 pm

    ao””””I can`t see that anything much happens in china without government involvement, regulation and ownership.””””’

    #correct, from what l`ve seen, you need a `local-partner` to do biz in china, and your partner is `proc`, you bring your money, your designs, your equipment and the proc provides the sweet, sweet, cheap labor and the unfettered regulatory environment, no need to worry about pesky `safety`, environmental, employer-hindering laws. lt will only cost you a 50% shareholding and oversight within operations will be provided by the proc too.

    ao””””the government controls everything.””#yep

    #peoples.republic.of.china

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 1:51 pm

    Interesting Tom R that you didn’t ask Adrian (ME) for a link to justify his suggestion that it was part of Joyce’s plan to have Qantas move to Texas.

    It happens that I did, which caused an exchange with MIglo, who said I had no right to ask Adrian for links.

    ***those were the days***

  67. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:10 pm

    Interesting Tom R that you didn’t ask Adrian (ME) for a link to justify his suggestion that it was part of Joyce’s plan to have Qantas move to Texas.

    LOOK OVER THERE!

    oh, it’s not a link 😦

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:11 pm

    Subprime is alive and well under Obama:

    In separate new reports to Congress, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reveal Obama regulators are pressuring them to back high-risk home loans for “very low-income” borrowers. Here we go again.

    Both mortgage giants report that to meet new “affordable housing” quotas set and enforced by the administration, they have had to “relax underwriting standards” — including permitting late payments, higher debt ratios and “unemployment benefits as source of income.” They’ve also been forced to accept mortgages with as little as 3% down.

    “These loans do not perform as well,” Fannie warns in its 2014 Annual Housing Activities Report.

  69. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:13 pm

    But here’s one yomm 🙂

    Something I heard on the radio TomM.

    https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/qantas-%E2%80%93-i-still-call-australia-home/

    Justified?

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:14 pm

    Also interesting that when reb objected to the “gay leprechaun” and “his wife is a man” comments, good old Miglo said he was being disruptive and derailing the thread!

    **those were the days***

  71. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:22 pm

    Your link isn’t working sb, but not sure how the snippet you put up supports the fact that CRA loans were not exposed or dangerous like the rolled up sub-prime ones that caused the trouble back in pre GFC were?

  72. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:28 pm

    **those were the days***

    You mean, the days when ME told you had heard about Texas on the radio, and twice it seems he told you his source.

    And now you won’t link to something you claim you read on the internet and equate that with Mobius Echo (Adrian) hearing something on the radio without a link (?) and claim that as some kind of “justification”? ❓

    ROFL

    Well, you were always a “vociferous supporter” of not linking, except then it seems 😉

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:32 pm

    Well, I’ve read the CW thread and it seems that it was all a big misunderstanding. Sue’s much-maligned adjective was merely otiose as lunalava demonstrated: “A leprechaun (Irish: leipreachán) is a type of fairy in Irish folklore, ..”

  74. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:40 pm

    I see mrturnbull just cannot get anything right

    And shortly after NBN Co announced it was spending $620 million to build its own satellites, Mr Turnbull argued there was no need for NBN Co to do so when there was bandwidth on commercial satellites available for lease.

    “There are Australian companies, there’s one Australian company in particular NewSat …
    ……………

    Last Friday NewSat and six subsidiaries were placed into voluntary administration with PPB Advisory. The administrators have kept the company running while they examine the books and assets to determine NewSat’s future.

    http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/former-nbn-co-boss-mike-quigley-defends-building-own-satellites-amid-newsat-collapse-20150420-1mopac.html

  75. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:41 pm

    Well, I’ve read the CW thread

    How did you manage to find it?

    Oh, that’s right, linkies 😉

    They are handy sometimes, are they not lolz

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:43 pm

    Adrian (ME) – But this has nothing to do with that but everything to do with his long held desire to move as much as Qantas offshore as possible and base HQ in Texas.

    Hilarious, he asserts that he heard something or other on the radio (which station, which program?) but is sounds like a possible new code sharing arrangement. But Adrain then goes on to assert that this is evidence of Joyce’s – “long held desire to move as much as Qantas offshore as possible and base HQ in Texas”

    But there is so much on that thread and a few others Tom R-
    • Stupid conspiracy theories and time has demonstrated that the were stupid
    • Homophobia and racism
    • Mindless defence of the indefensible
    • Assertions dressed up as fact, without the benefit of any industry knowledge
    • Inconsistent standards of blog admin

    I think it’s fair to say that Adrian’s (ME) prediction of a Texas headquarters didn’t eventuate. Joyce didn’t go. Qantas has rebounded. Most of the engineering and maintenance unions didn’t support the ALAEA.

    What did that crowd actually get right? What a pity they don’t all pop in to correct the record.

    ***those were the days***

  77. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:50 pm

    which station, which program?

    I don’t know, why didn’t you ask him?

    But there is so much on that thread and a few others Tom R

    I’m not claiming there is not stupidity or inconsistencies everywhere yomm. I thought initially you were trying to prove a point about ALAEA?

    But you seem to have strayed from the reservation, so to speak 😉

  78. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 2:51 pm

    What did that crowd actually get right?

    Wow. Have you seen the current grubmint? If only we could have foreseen …….

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:02 pm

    I thought initially you were trying to prove a point about ALAEA?

    Thank you. That’s true, and in doing so I recalled the way some dills defended the ALAEA only because they were a union in dispute with a “gay leprechaun”.

    They didn’t really know anything about the dispute, the union structures (in Qantas), the orientation of the ALAEA or the history of union coverage in the aircraft industry.

    Of course when someone knowledgeable (such as me) attempted to help clarify these issues, the attack followed

  80. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:13 pm

    Of course when someone knowledgeable (such as me) attempted to help clarify these issues, the attack followed

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    It was about joyce being a dickhead. I might not agree with everything every Union (or Association) says or believes in, but I’ll pick them over a blustering idiot like joyce any day. Fucken grounds an entire airline (with its passengers) just to bully workers.

    What a wanker.

  81. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:15 pm

    Meanwhile, this grubmint continues to slowly bring on a “budget emergency”

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:28 pm

    Joyce grounded the airline because the effect of the bans the ALAEA had introduced were undermining airline performance and as a consequence there was a potential that safety would be compromised.

    FWA were persuaded that this was the case.

    So do you hate FWA too?

  83. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:33 pm

    there was a potential that safety would be compromised. ……….FWA were persuaded that this was the case.

    I’m really going to need a link for that one yomm. And claiming you heard it on a radio probably won’t suffice 😉

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:35 pm

    …and by the way, are you able to find a other unions chiming in their support for the action*of the ALAEA?

    *action = go slow on certification, delay the sign off of airworthiness, take longer to tow the aircraft from hangar to terminal, spurious defects.

    None of the other engineering and maintenance unions were on side with this action, Now that we can see that the ALAEA support laisse faire unionism you might comprehend that the union that the old crowd were barracking for is run by some fairly odd characters..

  85. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:47 pm

    None of the other engineering and maintenance unions were on side with this action

    Can you list these other Unions used by Qantas engineers?

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 3:59 pm

    Bizarre comments ToM …

    Could you explain “laissez-faire unionism” actually IS?

    (I assume that’s the same as “laisse faire unionism”?)

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 4:16 pm

    Tom R – Can you list these other Unions used by Qantas engineers?

    • Licenced avionic trades (the electrical, navigation, communication and instrument stuff) were covered by the ALAEA, PREIA (though they’ve dropped off/amalgamated with PSU) & ETU
    • Licenced engine and airframe trades (the mechanics of the bits that spin – engines & turbines, and the sheetmetal worker types that put the panels and structure together) were covered by the ALAEA.
    • Non licenced engineers (avionic) were covered by the ETU
    • Non licenced engineers (mechanical/airframe) were covered by AMWU & AWU
    • Licenced engineering supervisors were covered by the ALAEA and TWU
    • Non licenced engineering supervisors were covered by the TWU
    • Professional engineers were covered by the APEAMA

    Union coverage in Qantas is unnecessarily complicated, and is a hindrance to efficient operations.

    TB – Could you explain “laissez-faire unionism” actually IS?

    Read the ALAEA submission to the Productivity Commission TB. I’d not heard the term applied to worker’s collectives before, but I presume it means that they would like to have a huge and ongoing brawl with the other engineering unions about coverage, without FWA making rulings occasionally.

  88. April 21, 2015 4:38 pm

    Would anyone like to talk about the movie “It Follows?”

    #ApparentlyNot

  89. April 21, 2015 4:41 pm

    TB – Could you explain `laissez-faire unionism` actually IS?

    #As we all know teebz, it`s an invented management lingo, that`s entire purpose is to get dim-witted dills like `boo` onside, coz it sounds `impressive`, and gets the dill to ignore the `core` facts of life. lf we applied the dullard explainer to biz-groups, airline-biz-groups would have to merge with the retailers-biz-group simply because they `sell` stuff to the public which would make it `convenient` for onions to negotiate conditions at a one-stop shop.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 4:42 pm

    … but I presume it means that they would like to have a huge and ongoing brawl with the other engineering unions …

    That “could” be an interpretation … but it reads as if some wanker has gained a little knowledge somewhere (ie management styles – authoritarian, democratic, consultative, laissez-faire) and attempted to incorporate it into a rather childish submission … to another bunch of incompetents ie The Productivity Commission … if they are the same people as the present commission … which I somehow doubt …

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 4:45 pm

    Would anyone like to talk about the movie “It Follows?”

    #ApparentlyNot

    Mate, I know how you feel!

    One of the reasons I haven’t written a review for some time … but mainly because there’s not much I’d waste my money on at the moment …

    I’m actuallt watching “Cleopatra” (The Minister is a fan of MKR) … 😮

  92. April 21, 2015 4:52 pm

    teebz””””””””’it reads as if some wanker has gained a little knowledge somewhere (ie management styles .. authoritarian, democratic, consultative, laissez-faire) and attempted to incorporate it into a rather childish submission .. to another bunch of incompetents ie The Productivity Commission””””””””””””’

    #yep, and it impressed our `boo` to regurgitate the wankers incessantly. #ROFL .. #he.can`t.tell.shit.from.clay

  93. April 21, 2015 4:55 pm

    “”I’m actuallt watching “Cleopatra” (The Minister is a fan of MKR) …””

    Cleopatra? Is that how you’re referring to the Minister these days?

    How should we address you – King Tut? 😉

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 4:58 pm

    #ApparentlyNot
    &
    The Ring meets chlamydia.

    I was just talking to Fifi about that.

  95. April 21, 2015 5:01 pm

    ””Would anyone like to talk about the movie `It Follows?””

    #l can`t reb, haven`t seen it.

    (tho l must say this has been a great thread, our `boo` is fcuking hilarious) #desperation

  96. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 6:00 pm

    Union coverage in Qantas is unnecessarily complicated,

    Having one would be “unnecessarily complicated” for some. Whatever happened to “choice” (the catch cry of all conservatives those days)

    and is a hindrance to efficient operations.

    As above. But not sure how? And you seem unable to show how, except in “your opinion”

    Would anyone like to talk about the movie “It Follows?”

    In my defense, I thought I had begun an enticing conversation about it above, but nobody wanted to play 😦

    It Follows Figures.

    The Ring meets chlamydia.

    Isn’t there a vaccination for that now?

    King Tut?

    Marc Antony?

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 6:29 pm

    Cleopatra? Is that how you’re referring to the Minister these days?

    Pretty close … attractive, talented, discerning (married to me), controls all the treasure, keeps me under control, takes me to the occasional banquet, travels at the drop of a (fkn) hat … I’m just the tech guy apparently … 🙂

    King Tut and a change of gravatar sounds interesting …

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 6:30 pm

    Maybe just the gravatar … 🙂

  99. April 21, 2015 6:36 pm

    `Union coverage in Qantas is unnecessarily complicated”””

    #Says who boo.?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 6:42 pm

    Marc Antony? Or Julius C …

    Historically and technically correct TR … but check out the shit images!

    “Improvise, Adapt, Overcome “

  101. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 6:54 pm

    Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

    Clint Eastwood then?

    Do you have an empty chair?

    #Says who boo

    The same one who told us all how complicated Awards were 😉

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2015 7:37 pm

    “Improvise, Adapt, Overcome”

    erm, US SF … 1 out of 2 ain’t bad … 😉

    +++++++++++

    The same one who told us all how complicated Awards were 😉

    Shouldn’t pay and conditions be worked out by the owner of the business … after all they are the ones who provide the jobs and drive the country forward?*

    Y’know – like Hillsong 🙂

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 7:41 pm

    So if you operate (say) a small to medium metal fabrication workshop and you wish to employ a tradesman to look after the machines and a few people to operate them, how do you work out their classification?

    http://www.airc.gov.au/consolidated_Awards/AP/AP789529/asframe.html

  104. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 7:48 pm

    how do you work out their classification?

    If you don’t know what award covers your business, then you probably have no business in that business

    #justsayin’

    Of course, for the illitrate, their’s a linky for that

    http://awardfinder.fwo.gov.au/

  105. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 7:50 pm

    Shouldn’t pay and conditions be worked out by the owner of the business

    They tried that, but then slavery got abolished 😉

  106. April 21, 2015 8:25 pm

    Never fuck off a billionaire lefty with fuck you money.. priceless revenge..
    http://reverbpress.com/news/george-lucas-is-building-affordable-housing-for-the-poor/

  107. April 21, 2015 8:30 pm

    It Follows anyone, a movie about suspense and teenage angst…?

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 8:50 pm

    That’s so simple Tom R, so if someone is a machine operator in Victoria and wish to find their award rate and classification, they just type that in and get the following, simple result!

    http://awardfinder.fwo.gov.au/InternalError.htm?aspxerrorpath=/Default.aspx

  109. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 8:54 pm

    Of course, no technolgy is sufficiently idiot proof enough for yomm 🙂

    Of course, when you are that inept, just use the one where you only select and don’t have to type 😉

  110. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 8:55 pm

    PS yomm, there’s a phone number at the bottom also, if all else fails, try that (if possible)

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2015 8:57 pm

    So the award and classification system isn’t simple enough for people to figure out whether they are paid correctly or not.

    They need some expert advice, I thought so.

  112. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 9:03 pm

    They need some expert advice

    You need expert something yomm 😉

    And, it is simple enough, but even simple things appear beyond the simplest.

    Like I said, there’s a phone number. If you cannot work out how to make a phone call, then there is always a position as a consultant to Unionbashersforbusiness available to you 😆

  113. Tom R permalink
    April 21, 2015 9:10 pm

    whether they are paid correctly or not.

    So you are happy with this kind of exploitation?

    remember, without the Unions, this would go on uncovered.

  114. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 8:50 am

    Looks like Everything that is old is NEW again

    Capitalising on public dissatisfaction at the extent of tax minimisation by wealthy individuals who have been able to park pre-tax income in superannuation accounts to avoid the top marginal tax brackets applicable to other earnings, Mr Shorten will announce the new policy formally on Wednesday.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rich-to-lose-tax-breaks-on-supersized-super-under-future-labor-government-20150421-1mq49r.html

    And hockey shows he has no interest in taxing multinationals. Never mind his rhetoric.

    Meanwhile, Treasurer Joe Hockey, who is just weeks away from unveiling his second crucial budget, has written to Labor’s treasury spokesman, Chris Bowen rejecting opposition calls for tighter tax rules for multinational corporations.

    No, instead, they are still stuck in killing medicare, rather than going after tax dodgers.

    The rebates offered to doctors for medical services will be reviewed in a major overhaul of the Medicare system, health minister Sussan Ley has announced.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/21/sussan-ley-medicare-rebates-will-be-reviewed-in-overhaul-of-bloated-system

    dog only knows what this review has been told to find, but we can be sure that the targets are already there, we now just have to wait for the “review” to reveal them for us.

  115. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 8:52 am

    And the worlds biggest threat to democracy raises it’s ugly head again.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 10:07 am

    WHAT LABOR PLANS FOR SUPERANNUATION CONCESSIONS:

    * Reinstate a 15 per cent tax for earnings in the retirement phase over $75,000 a year that will affect about 60,000 people and raise $8.6 billion over the next decade

    * Remove the 10 per cent tax concession for defined benefits over $75,000 a year that will affect about 9500 people and raise $0.6 billion over the next decade

    * Lower the threshold for the 30 per cent high income superannuation charge from $300,000 to $250,000, raising $5.1 billion over 10 years.

    Now what will they do with NEGATIVE GEARING …?

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 10:20 am

    Well the last two comments epitomise the difference between the government and the opposition …

    FINALLY people may start to see what a bunch of puppets The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes really are – controlled by Robber Barons and driven by a very faulty ideology …

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2015 11:03 am

    “FINALLY people may start to see what a bunch of puppets The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes really are

    It was not the Coalition who created the current budget problem. It was the ALP and the people who voted for them. And Labor will never solve the problem because they created the problem and only create problems.

    If we need more money perhaps we could reverse the Wayne Swan tax cuts.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 11:06 am

    It was John Howard And Tip Custard wot did it!

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2015 11:33 am

    No it was the ALP and the people who voted for them that created our budget deficit. Blind freddy knew what would happen. You just have to look at the history of ALP govts since 1980 both State and Federal. They were all disasters.

  121. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 11:38 am

    Now what will they do with NEGATIVE GEARING …?

    Unfortunately, Labor have already dumped that one in the too hard basket.

    I notice nIl is still too stoopid to see 😦

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2015 1:24 pm

    Punish those that are trying to save a few bucks for retirement.

  123. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 2:10 pm

    a few bucks 😯

  124. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 2:15 pm

  125. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 2:21 pm

    Budget Emergency averted!

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 3:30 pm

    But Treasurer Joe Hockey slammed Labor’s plan, saying it was just another tax from Labor.

    “We have a tax white paper. We have a proper process, but Labor makes it up as they go along,” Mr Hockey said.

    “They spend too much, don’t want to reduce the tax burden on Australia.”

    The superannuation industry welcomed the policy announcement, but said any changes should be considered as part of the broader tax discussion initiated by the government.

    Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia chief executive Pauline Vamos said that “superannuation should be above politics and any changes needed wide public support”.

    Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said Labor will seek a mandate for the changes at the next federal election — unless the government moves on them first — then have a period of stability.

    Jockey is just so far out of his depth he flailing around and about to drown in his own spittle … LOL!

  127. April 22, 2015 3:41 pm

    l see the junior manager handbook is still in play,

    yawn””””””””That`s so simple Tom R, so if someone is a machine operator in Victoria and wish to find their award rate and classification”””””””’#guffaw

    #yet another working example of the depth of `cluelessness` from our `boo` who mindlessly bleats about `machine-operator`, which is a vague and generic term used thru-out multiple industries.

    #Which `type` of machine-op boo.? An `on-site` one on a commercial or civil construction, `remote` like a farm or mine-site.

    #Or `fixed` like in a factory, then which industry.? Textile.? Metal.? Timber.? Plastics.? Process.? Manual operated or computer.?

    #once again our know-nothing `boo` shows us he doesn`t have a fcuking clue beyond the tinfoil-cubicle, and readily recites from the junior managers handbook. #teabags

  128. April 22, 2015 4:43 pm

    Hey team-cheerer, l just checked-out your coffee-shop link, it seems `boo` has spent a lot of effort squawking over the single word `texas` on that thread, and this thread.

    #there seems to be no commitment of a380`s being repaired in Aust, so will `probably` be done off-shore, `probably` asia where the workforce is much cheaper and much more `timid`. Keeping that in mind,

    #While l didn`t see a link to the `texas` info, it is `probably` a reasonable bet that once `unfettered` by Aust-govt/s, we can `deduce` that if it is better for boardroom-salaries to `off-shore` the `hq`, the boardroom will do so.

    #No boo, not specifically `texas`.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 5:03 pm

    Budget Will Be Responsible, Hockey Says

    Yeah? What for?

    More concern and worry about what he’s going to damage or destroy in the real world of the weak, the young, the pensioners, the students, the sick and the elderly?

    Or letting the Robber Barons run rings around the ATO, sending soldiers off to another war we don’t belong in, helping the wannabe millionaires with trusts and negative gearing, maintaining the inequality of the rich at the expense of the nation?

  130. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 5:17 pm

    We have a tax white paper. We have a proper process

    Yet we still don’t have 2014 budget 😦

    Budget Will Be Responsible, Hockey Says

    Ceeabove 😉

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 22, 2015 5:18 pm

    …dog only knows what this review has been told to find, but we can be sure that the targets are already there, we now just have to wait for the “review” to reveal them for us…

    If it’s anything like their other reviews, we already know the outcome. There’ll be an ideological warrior in charge, someone who wants to privatise the entire health system, perhaps one of the CEO’s from the private system.

    Yes, susan ley, let’s just wait a year for the pre-determined outcome, would that be after the election? What was that about reviews and reports and such? Didn’t rudd gillard rudd get a pasting from abbott for having too many of them and not enough action [at least their budgets got through before the next one was due]

    IMO, their polling is telling them that team abbott is up shit creek and one of the main issues is health reform/medicare. Perhaps they think this announcement will give a few % points to abbott’s polling.

  132. April 22, 2015 5:20 pm

    tr””””we still don`t have 2014 budget””’

    #l`d suggest that`s probably a good thing

  133. April 22, 2015 5:30 pm

    ao”””””’polling is telling them that team abbott is up shit creek””

    #fully agree armchair, and would add, the teabags have lost a lot of biz-support too, they spent so much time trashing economic things, that has now `depressed` a lot of biz-outlook for `about` the next 2-years, according to the various talking-heads that appear on telly biz-reports anyway.

  134. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:06 pm

    #l`d suggest that`s probably a good thing

    touche (or some french word like that) 😉

    I do recall mentioning after the budget last year that the libs might not cop such a pasting because the real nasty stuff won’t get through, so people will sit back and go “what was all the fuss about?”

    Still unsure how that will play out by the election. At the moment, the libs have suffered immense pain, for very little gain.

    Thank my flea controlled dog.

  135. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:12 pm

    btw noteamteamer, I’m eagerly awaiting your next inane “small target” Shorten rant 😉

  136. April 22, 2015 6:45 pm

    That`s a bit presumptuous team-cheerer (or lack of faith),

    Who says blib will automatically earn my wrath when there is teabumpkins and teabags about.? 🙂

    #keep.the.faith

  137. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 7:10 pm

    Who says blib will automatically earn my wrath

    History. Most of Labor’s big statements have been followed up by you telling us they are playing the small target.

    It’s become quite entertaining actually 😉

  138. April 22, 2015 8:38 pm

    They’re never gonna stop ‘sharing’ on the internet.

    They…Just…Can’t…May….Not…Are…Not….Able…To…

    Foolish cnuts.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 2:05 am

    A little bit weird

    New Zealand Prime Minister Apologizes for Repeatedly Pulling Waitress’s Hair:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/22/new_zealand_prime_minister_hair_pulling_apologizes_to_waitress.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

    here’s one for tony

  140. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 7:54 am

    This should make TB happy. I could have sworn Labor ruled this out not long a go though?

    Speaking at the National Press Club, Mr Bowen said it would be “irresponsible to rule out going to the next election with changes to, for example, negative gearing”.

    “I have said our principle will be 1. Do not disadvantage people who have made investments in good faith under current rules. 2. Do not risk reducing the supply of new housing or, if possible, improve the situation with the supply of new housing’,” he said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/shadow-treasurer-chris-bowen-flags-labor-intention-to-wind-back-negative-gearing-20150422-1mqpu7.html?stb=twt

    Of course, dumbo thinks only Labor increases taxes. Is this because he is so ignorant of what his own grubmint is doing, or because he is an habitual liar?

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott last week ruled out any changes to negative gearing, saying he didn’t want his government’s tax reform plans to begin with “increasing taxes”.

    GST on internet for a start yabot? Weren’t you yourself spruiking that? hockey is as dishonest/stupid

    “I don’t like higher taxes; I am philosophically opposed to higher taxes,” he said.

    “Because if you increase taxes you’re just collecting someone else’s money.”

    Yea, we know how you like protecting big corporations making off with Other People’s Money

  141. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 8:20 am

    “Because if you increase taxes you’re just collecting someone else’s money.”

    WHY??? do the media NOT challenge them on these statements?

  142. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 8:48 am

    And yabot and hockey aren’t the only ones spouting ever increasing amounts of lying bullshit, pynes getting caught out too. This time, protecting denialists funded by our grubmint (like they don’t get enough from the people destroying our planet in the first place, now we taxpayers are subsidising them?)

    Coalition Set For Grilling On Lomborg Funding As Leaks Cast Doubt On Claims – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/04/22/coalition-set-grilling-lomborg-funding-leaks-cast-doubt-claims#sthash.PxSz8JeW.dpuf

    I saw a bit of Flannery on ABC24 last night, and he raised this very interesting point

    Professor Tim Flannery, who headed up the Australian Climate Commission before the government defunded it on taking office, has questioned “why the government has decided to fund Bjorn Lomborg rather than the very eminent group within the Climate Commission”.

    “To replace them with a Dane with no credibility or credentials in the area seems rather odd and I think it’s incumbent on them to explain to the Australian public why that is so,” Professor Flannery said.

  143. April 23, 2015 9:04 am

    Wi1l Boo Of Melbourne be regurgitating the Junior Managers Handbook today #2319

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:25 am

    A school that gets taxpayer funds no doubt…

    Girls at Al-Taqwa College have been banned from running at sporting events because the principal believes it may cause them to lose their virginity, former teachers claim.
    The schools regulator, the Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority, is investigating the allegations, which have been referred to the state and federal education ministers.
    It follows revelations in The Age last month that the principal of the Islamic school, Omar Hallak, told students that Islamic State was a plot by Western countries.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/girls-at-islamic-school-banned-from-running-teachers-claim-20150422-1mr0io.html

  145. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:28 am

    ROFl

    This is what our tax dollars are going to lol

    A school that gets taxpayer funds no doubt…

    You won’t get an argument from me about private schools receiving public money yomm 😉

    Not unless they are willing to adhere to the same restrictions and guidelines placed upon public schools anyway.

  146. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:53 am

    Despite its softly, softly approach, Labor’s policy is an important step. A serious discussion from the major parties about superannuation tax concessions was inconceivable three years ago. Are we now able to have a sensible bipartisan conversation about measures that help the budget but are not unfair?

    http://grattan.edu.au/news/labors-superannuation-tax-policy-needs-more-bite/

    Going on the comments from hockey and yabot, that seems entirely unlikely. Will the media follow the libs lead, or will they call bullshit and try to have this “serious discussion”?

    I don’t hold out much hope of that, going on previous behaviours.

  147. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:56 am

  148. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:06 am

    “To replace them with a Dane with no credibility or credentials in the area seems rather odd….”

    -Tim Flannery

    Same goes for the morons who claimed that our cities would never see their dams full again.

    What a jerk !

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:07 am

    An event called “Camp Gallipoli” cancelled because of rain. You are kidding me.

    Classic bullying! No wonder The Mad Abbott spends so much time with the Kiwi PM …

    (Reminds me of a couple of 1930’s “leaders” in Europe!)

    Probably “teases” small animals and pulls the wings of flies … how do these little people end up with so much power to abuse!

  150. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:09 am

    “This should make TB happy. I could have sworn Labor ruled this out not long a go though?”

    No it wont

    TB wants to follow the Loony Left’s usual path of doing it retro as he stated last week.

    So much for his bullshit protestations of a few weeks ago when I accused him of such but he squealed “innocence” of the allegation.

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:11 am

    Tim Flannery says someone else lacks credibility? LOL

    Look at the heads explode. The Klimatariat is in overdrive to stop this appointment. Everyone knows that governments are only allowed to fund alarmists! Alarmists get billions in research funding but even the hint of a pittance to someone who might dissent unleashes a vicious campaign against the miscreant.

    We’ve seen it all before. Anyone daring to disagree with the Hockey Team is slandered, threatened and vilified. Because that is their idea of a scientific argument. Generally just publishing a sound refutation would do. That, however, is obviously beyond the capabilities of climate “scientists” so they resort to thuggery and slander instead.

    At least Tom R this gives you a chance to use your trolling skills in the service of fraudsters and wannabe tyrants. But seriously is it the end of the fucking world just because a dissenting scientist gets some funding?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:12 am

    “Because if you increase taxes you’re just collecting someone else’s money.”

    Bright as a fkn birthday candle! Jockeyspeak …

    Happy to take it off the poorer in our society … G-M-A-F-B!

    BTW, TR, all of the above … in answer to your question!

  153. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:13 am

    Same goes for the morons who claimed that our cities would never see their dams full again.

    I’ve asked for the source of that before I’m sure you’ll recall. Go on, try to find it 😉

    So, sb, you are happy with spending $4million taxpayer dollars on a guy who wanted to spray sea water around to “cool” the planet

    ROFL

  154. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:15 am

    And the oz reports as only they can, with half the story, the half that suits their agenda.

    If you took the whole story, into account, the outcome would be reversed.

    So we really can’t blame nIl alone for his ignorance.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:16 am

    …or will they call bullshit and try to have this “serious discussion”?

    You can only have a serious discussion with intelligent and well informed people … The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes have already received a NYC in both categories …

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:19 am

    So much for his bullshit protestations of a few weeks ago when I accused him of such but he squealed “innocence” of the allegation.

    Hope NSW has Storm Insurance, hey?

    There is a difference in being accused of something that I actually disproved … and stirring you up … read Bowen’s criteria … I have no issue with that … its just a pity that The Madd Abbott’s Monastery don’t use the same criteria on the people they’ve been attacking!

  157. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:23 am

    “I’ve asked for the source of that before I’m sure you’ll recall. Go on, try to find it ”

    “So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems,”

    http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

    There it is in black and yellow

  158. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:24 am

    Bright as a fkn birthday candle! Jockeyspeak …

    Yea, it’s really mind numbingly stoopid. Where does he think taxes come from to begin with? For him, it seems it is ALWAYS Other People’s Money!

    I did like this reply on twitter but 😉

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:24 am

    Anyone daring to disagree with the Hockey Team …

    I disagree with the Hockey Team and your right … Wally is constantly trying to slander, threaten and vilify me!

    But seriously is it the end of the fucking world just because a dissenting scientist gets some funding?

    The way its been done is … no funds available and then suddenly there are funds available … even you must see the ideology involved …

    And I’m still agnostic on CC … beautiful day here in Brissy.

    Best wishes to all those who suffered in Sydney …

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:29 am

    From Wally’s link … the only mention of water and dams … (2007)

    PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we’re going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

    Read this …

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/drought.shtml

  161. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:32 am

    Flannery back pedalling……..

    “As the soil warms up more of the rain that falls evaporates and less goes into the dams and the point that I was trying to make was that even the rain that was falling then previously that was able to fill the dams IN FUTURE WOULD’NT DO THAT”

    -Tim Flannery

    Welcome to the future the dams are full

  162. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:33 am

    So let’s look at “context” shall we sb?

    SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

    PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we’re going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

    Now equate that with your statement

    Same goes for the morons who claimed that our cities would never see their dams full again.

    So, ignoring that this is based on projections out to …….. ?? Oh, no date.

    Or, is it right now?

    Across Australia, CSIRO predicts rainfall will probably decrease in southern Australia, and the predictions for the south-west are especially grave where the recent drying has left empty dams and greater reliance on groundwater.

    http://theconversation.com/saving-water-in-a-drying-climate-lessons-from-south-west-australia-28517

    So, when you want to garble someones comments like that, don’t do it when their actual comments are so easily found.

  163. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:34 am

    “Best wishes to all those who suffered in Sydney …”

    We lost power in Palm Beach.

    We had to book into a rather swank hotel in the City that’s dog friendly.

    Mrs Walrus and me plus the the 2 hounds……………LOL

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:35 am

    …You won’t get an argument from me about private schools receiving public money yomm 😉

    Nor me, I don’t see how that islamic principal is any different from catholic schools and their virgin mary preachings etc. They all believe and teach fanciful nonsense that was designed to control the population, especially the treacherous, traitorous, wimmens. it’s time we stopped funding religion, all of them and all of their god’s representatives on earth.

    Has the sexual abuse, torture, deprivation and downright inhumane treatment of people in their care as exposed by the RC taught us nothing? Stop this racket known as religion.

    …So, sb, you are happy with spending $4million taxpayer dollars on a guy who wanted to spray sea water around to “cool” the planet…

    How much money does it cost to fix communities after all these extreme weather events like sydney/hunter is having now and events like more frequent cyclones/floodings etc? We know they are the result of climate change instability.

    The longer it is denied, the more expensive it will be to fix, perhaps irretrievably.

    Climate change deniers don’t care about their grandchildren.

  165. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:38 am

    Welcome to the future the dams are full

    Tell it to Perth

    And we will see just how extreme the next drought is, in “the future”

  166. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:40 am

    Flannery back pedalling……..

    You mean, in the very interview he made the comment that was garbled by denialists? Where he was always speaking of “the future”

    ROFL

    What is it with denialists, and reality?

    So, have you invested in sea water spraying boats yet?

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:44 am

    Has this made the news yet, or will it be another case of self censorship when it comes to reminding us of abbott’s stuff-ups?

  168. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:44 am

    even you must see the ideology involved

    Only when the blinkers are adjusted it appears 😉

    How much money does it cost to fix communities after all these extreme weather events

    If only we could have guessed at it?

  169. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:44 am

    “So, ignoring that this is based on projections out to …….. ?? Oh, no date.”

    Oh so that’s the preferred method of defence now……. “Oh, no date” ROFLMAO

    So when 50 years, 100, 1,000, 10,000, 1,000,000 years…………..LOL……….the Climate bed wetterz just keep serving up endless humour

    If I wake up every morning for the next 1000 years predicting a Recession in the future eventually I’ll be right too…………………….LOL

  170. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:55 am

    Oh so that’s the preferred method of defence now……. “Oh, no date

    No, actually seeing what he said is my preferred method, unlike yours, which involves mis-quoting what was said.

    “And we’re seeing more extreme weather events right across the spectrum, from droughts, to storms ..” 26/09/2005

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1468878.htm

    Everything Flannery has said has been shown to be accurate. Of course, it is not accurate on every single event, but, then again, it’s cold here today. Obviously all those scientists were wrong (even though none of them actually said it would not be cold here today)

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:57 am

    Apparently we have to pay $500,000/day just to keep the desal plant at Kurnell running even if it is not being used. That is $180M/year for something we do not use. Plus the billions it cost to build the thing.

    Flannery is a false prophet. Gee i wonder which party he votes for?

    Every home in Sydney could have a rain water plant with that money. You may not drink the water but you could use it to flush your toilets.

    ALP/Greens policies do not work. And the Greens think we can control the weather.

  172. April 23, 2015 11:03 am

    l`m quite enjoying the flat-earth blubbering from the dude that`s been washed-out of his own house. #ROFL

  173. April 23, 2015 11:04 am

    The movie, “It Follows” is quite good.

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:10 am

    We had to book into a rather swank hotel in the City that’s dog friendly.

    I think that’s called a cathedral, Wally … 🙂

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:11 am

    Yes i apologise.

    I should have posted my comment on another post. But i could not resist.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:16 am

    Flannery back pedalling……..

    Backpedalling???? The transcript you provided was eight years ago

    How do you back pedal eight years into the future FFS?

    And TR, should have highlighted this … and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush.

    Every home in Sydney could have a rain water plant with that money

    WTF is a “rain water plant” …

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:17 am

    The movie, “It Follows” is quite good.

    Isn’t OT, sreb?

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:17 am

    “How much money does it cost to fix communities after all these extreme weather events like sydney/hunter is having now and events like more frequent cyclones/floodings etc? We know they are the result of climate change instability.”

    Only the truly pig-ignorant blather on about “more frequent cyclones”. That hideous lie is worse than all the religious horseshit you whine about.

    “The number of tropical cyclones hitting Queensland and Western Australia has fallen to low levels not seen for more than 500 years, new research published in Nature shows.

    Self-aggrandising spivs are cashing in on the Climate scare, diverting hundreds of billions of dollars away from programs that might actually save lives.

    The reason lefties are so on board with the global warming scam is that it makes them feel good about themselves to go about saving the world. They don’t give a shit that they are killing people with their stupidity. It is like they don’t give a shit about drowning refugees so long as they can feel morally righteous about ending the Pacific Solution. In fact that is leftism in a nutshell – posturing on the graves of “victims” it pretends to help.

  179. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:18 am

    “flat-earth blubbering”

    LOL

    Yes these storms that come around every 15 years or so are definitely a sign of human induced climate change

  180. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:18 am

    l`m quite enjoying the flat-earth blubbering from the dude that`s been washed-out of his own house. #ROFL

    LIKE

    The movie, “It Follows” is quite good.

    Do tell.

    But, what is “it”? Apart from another lame stephen king outing.

  181. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:21 am

    these storms that come around every 15 years or so

    What, there was a storm as strong as this 15 years ago? But weren’t they saying nothing like it in the last 100 years?

    Who to believe, who to believe?

  182. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:24 am

    “………after all these extreme weather events like sydney/hunter is having now”

    Sydney has a rich history of severe storms

    “On the night of August 20, 1857 – during storm conditions similar to those that caused so much damage to NSW recently – the Dunbar slammed into the cliffs between The Gap and Macquarie Lighthouse. ”

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/shipwreck-that-shook-sydney-to-the-core/2007/08/17/1186857771574.html

  183. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:25 am

    Only the truly pig-ignorant blather on about “more frequent cyclones”.

    Ignorant is harsh sb, but then, that’s your game, abuse before argument

    Extreme is the word rather than frequent

  184. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:28 am

    Sydney has a rich history of severe storms

    Yes, but this is apparently the worst in memory. You know, like the “increasing intensity” that Climate Scientists speak of.

    #justsayin’

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:31 am

    “Who to believe, who to believe?”

    Try this.

  186. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:35 am

    “Tell it to Perth”

    Approximately 40% of Perth’s mains water supply comes from ground water. Using it as a measure of anything is just plain silly.

  187. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:37 am

    “I think that’s called a cathedral, Wally … ”

    The closest I got to an old cathedral was the equally old Lord Nelson Hotel…………..Gee they do some nice craft beers there

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:38 am

    “Yes, but this is apparently the worst in memory.”

    This sort of storm is an annual event in Sydney. I walk a kilometre every day and get to experience this stuff day in day out. Every year we have five or six days of continuous rain storms. Last year wasn’t quite as bad. The year before was worse.

  189. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:38 am

    Yep, I’ll go with that sb

    Several years ago we found that 60% of all major dam-filling events in Sydney catchments can be attributed to East Coast Lows

    ..

    However, recent research is suggesting that the frequency of East Coast Lows, particularly the major winter systems that cause large waves, may actually decrease over the coming century given current climate projections.

    Not a good projection for “teh! future” of filling dams is it?

    If only there was something that could be built in the case the dams don’t fill. Because, by the time they don’t, it would probably be too late to build something, wouldn’t it?

  190. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:40 am

    Using it as a measure of anything is just plain silly.

    Of course that has nothing to do with the data coming from there, does it 😉

    (the image is from my link above)

    https://theconversation.com/saving-water-in-a-drying-climate-lessons-from-south-west-australia-28517

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:44 am

    The closest I got to an old cathedral was the equally old Lord Nelson Hotel

    I went there once. It looked like they did not clean the glasses after someone had dranked a beer. They just cleaned the rims and then gave the glass to the next person. But i could be wrong.

  192. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:46 am

    But i could be wrong.

    Perish the thought 😯

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:47 am

    They just cleaned the rims and then gave the glass to the next person. But i could be wrong.

    Sounds like a Wally drinking hole … 😉

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 11:54 am

    Not a good projection for “teh! future” of filling dams is it?”

    Anything based on “current climate projections” is not going to be a good predictor of anything. Given how badly the climate models have fucked up for the last fifteen years I wouldn’t be placing much value on their hundred year predictions!!

    With the climate models the argument isn’t just correlation ≠ causation. There is no fucking correlation to begin with – the CO2 spikes but temperature flat-lines.

  195. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:01 pm

    “They just cleaned the rims and then gave the glass to the next person. But i could be wrong.”

    Mmmmmmm………………maybe that’s why it tastes soooooooo good

    “Sounds like a Wally drinking hole …”

    Bring back the “hose out the vomit” tile floor pubs anyday. Far too much gentrification these days.

  196. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:06 pm

    “I went there once”

    Once…………….you have only been to the Lord Nelson once ?

    And you live in Sydney ?

    What about the Hero of Waterloo around the corner…………………or even the now renovated Opera Bar ?

    What about the Australian………or the Mercantile or the Fortune of War ?

    You don’t seem to get out much NoS………..!

  197. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:06 pm

    Anything based on “current climate projections” is not going to be a good predictor of anything

    Don’t blame me sb, all I did was “try” your link 😉

    I walk a kilometre every day and get to experience this stuff day in day out

    Do you countcolouredcartons while you are at it?

    I wonder why the Sydney papers aren’t reporting this every day then while you are out and about?

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:17 pm

    Tom R, on climate you are a fail-troll. You should go back to boosting the CFMEU crime syndicate. At least they might give you a ride in one of their fancy Maloo utes once in a while.

  199. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:22 pm

    on climate you are a fail-troll

    So, you don’t deny that you countcolouredcartons whist strolling in Sydneys daily cyclones?

    😆

  200. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 12:32 pm

    Well, it didn’t take that long to enter into the “mature debate” did it.

    Finding efficiencies in government spending programs, including hot button areas such as the health budget, are labelled by Labor as an assault on the Australian way of life. Remarkably the opposition has opposed the very same efficiency drive in higher education it proposed when in government.

    Failure to embrace any or all of the above at the same time as targeting the superannuation savings of the better-off renders yesterday’s announcement nothing more than deliberate class warfare.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/bill-shortens-wedge-politics-is-neither-clever-nor-productive/story-fn53lw5p-1227315984007

    What a wanker.

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 1:23 pm

    “What a wanker”

    Blib? Can’t really blame him for playing the Dr No game which Abbott used quite effectively when in opposition.

    Van Onselen seems sane enough (for a change):

    Yet now is not the time for piecemeal changes announced with the primary purpose of wedging the government ahead of the budget. Both sides need to present voters with a wide-ranging manifesto before the next election, which could be called as soon as later this year.

    Not sure what a “wide-ranging manifesto” is exactly but I doubt Hockey will present anything at all coherent on budget night. Nor will Shorten in his response.

  202. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 1:36 pm

    Blib?

    Did Blib write the article callling Labors proposal “class warfare”?

    No, I thought not.

    Don’t lose count of those colouredcartons in the driving wind and reign will ya sb 😉

  203. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 1:45 pm

    Not sure what a “wide-ranging manifesto” is exactly

    Quite simple really. It is something they apply to Labor, so that every policy they release can be ignored because it is just one policy (at a time)

    They want it all, and they want it now() It also means they don’t have to really examine the policy

    Whereas the libs “wide-ranging manifesto” is quite readily accepted as “it’s in our DNA”.

  204. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 2:58 pm

  205. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 3:01 pm

    So, pynes off the hook, it seems.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s office drove the push to provide government funding for “sceptical environmentalist” Bjorn Lomborg’s climate think tank, not Education Minister Christopher Pyne.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prime-minister-tony-abbotts-office-the-origin-for-controversial-bjorn-lomborg-centre-decision-20150423-1mrha2.html

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 3:58 pm

    Call me crazy

    I would not call Koukoulas crazy. i would call him a fraud however. He is easily the most dishonest commentator i have ever read. I notice he also believes this

    “If Hockey implemented Bowen’s super & neg gearing policies, he’d present a decent sized budget surplus in next year’s budget & be doing good”

    Koukoulas is a total fraud. If he tells the truth bout something it is just an accident.

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:03 pm

    I’ve just been out to a nice restaurant meeting in in The Rocks. No sign of this weather that everyone is talking about.

    Another climate scare item by the look of it.

  208. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:21 pm

    Oh so ToM is in Sydney

    You should stop by the redoneup Opera Bar for a quiet ale

  209. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:25 pm

    I’m afraid I have an early dinner date evening meeting.

    There’s just no let up in the pressure of eating discussing important issues with people

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:26 pm

    Hmmm…

    There’s just no let up in the pressure of eating discussing important issues with people

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:32 pm

    Anyone seen ‘Daredevil’?

    S1 on netflix

    Rather violent goodie superhero who also happens to be blind.

  212. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:35 pm

    “If Hockey implemented Bowen’s super & neg gearing policies, he’d present a decent sized budget surplus in next year’s budget & be doing good”

    Well that just shows that someone cant even add up.

    And what were Bowen’s neg gearing proposals anyway. From what I saw all he proposed pretty much was to present proposals some day in the future………………………………thats all.

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:35 pm

    …Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s office drove the push to provide government funding for “sceptical environmentalist” Bjorn Lomborg’s climate think tank, not Education Minister Christopher Pyne…

    I think all the ‘policy’ that team abbott are presenting comes direct from tony abbott’s office.

  214. April 23, 2015 4:37 pm

    It Follows, is not a bad movie (just in case anyone is interested)…

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:42 pm

    Has anyone seen any good films lately?

    Just askin’ …

  216. April 23, 2015 4:46 pm

    Very funny KT.

  217. Walrus permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:53 pm

    “Has anyone seen any good films lately?”

    Tell us………what was it like when your movie experience went from black and white to colour for the first time?

    And did your prefer the sound of an organ in the cinema over sound ?

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:02 pm

    Does no-one ever listen to me?

    I wrote about a rampaging keanu reeves and ‘john wick’ some time ago.

    Go and have a look at ‘daredevil S1’

    For drama I did like ‘imitation game’

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:02 pm

    Tell us………

    Asking sreb, questions like that could get you banned, Wally!

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:03 pm

    KL, we can’t afford Netflix I’m afraid …

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:08 pm

    …KL, we can’t afford Netflix I’m afraid …

    $12.00 a month TB, but australians still ripped off with content [don’t get all that is offered to US viewers].

    Do you have foxtel?

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:15 pm

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:18 pm

    Something to reflect upon.

    :You can tell a lot about the west by the way it celebrates autocrats’ deaths
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/you-can-tell-a-lot-about-the-west-by-the-way-it-celebrates-autocrats-deaths

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:27 pm

    I don’t have the patience to follow a series, so maybe something like Netflix would be good.

    A blind superhero!! What next. those Hollywood people think up a market for everything.

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:37 pm

    “It Follows, is not a bad movie (just in case anyone is interested)…”

    Movies are expensive. I will wait until it comes on television. i will then save it on my T-box.

    How much does it cost to see a movie these days?

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:47 pm

    Do you have foxtel?

    :O

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:57 pm

    :O

    😆

    me neither!

    My daughter and her partner have been in germany for a week to visit friends. They haven’t stopped eating since they got there, friends say partner has got a bit of a gut since being there and daughter says both her and his jeans are tighter.

    They will be gone for a total of 4 wks and have yet to eat the foods of italy, greece and france, at this rate they’ll need to buy entirely new wardrobes!

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:59 pm

  229. April 23, 2015 6:21 pm

    Even if l won squillion$ on the lottery l wouldn`t get foxtail .. #fcuk.rupert

  230. April 23, 2015 6:45 pm

    dunlop”””””Things got so bad at one stage that an ##establishment journalist## such as Laura Tingle felt compelled to write a piece in which she said that `we actually are being governed by idiots and fools` and she marshalled evidence to support the case.

    The #disturbing thing about her piece, though, was how #little impact# it had.”””””””””””

    #only part-way thru the post, l have #marked what seems to indicate how teabag-media remains quite a bit outside reality and inwardly focus on themselves. Of course `establishment-insider` tingle`s article had `little-impact`, many of us already realized pre-election the imbeciles would be total crap, even tho teabag-media `establishment-insiders` refused to tell us so. After the horse has bolted and the imbecile placed on the thrown, what do the likes of tingle and dunlop expect, other than `told-ya-so`. Had teabag-media `actually` done their job and challenged the imbecile pre-election, they might actually have an audience prepared to take notice of them. But they didn`t.

  231. April 23, 2015 7:15 pm

    dunlop.1””’Television in particular, where most people still get their news”””

    #tho true, dunlop overplays this, `viewer` numbers in free-fall

    +

    dunlop.2”””Twitter and other social media, of course, are full of complaints about the awfulness of the Abbott Government,””””

    #true, and politics/politicians generally,

    dunlop.3”””but those platforms don`t yet have the ability to supersede the influence of the mainstream.””””

    #dunlop.1+3, this is both true(older) and false(younger) depending on the demographics, young people don`t watch much telly, but lots of interwebs/device, older demographics catching up fast.

    #dunlop.3, total bullshit when it comes to `members` and `voters` talking directly to each other, teabag-media has its nose out of joint here, as they are no longer needed

    #the rest of the post was pretty good and worth reading, thanks armchair

  232. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 7:33 pm

    Anyone seen ‘Daredevil’?

    The wife and I watched the first one to gauge just how violent it was to see if it would be OK for the youngest son (14). Some violence in these things seem very extreme to my delicate constitution.

    While Daredevil himself seemed like a bit of a psychopath with his violence (but, I guess that’s the character, although I never got that from the very few comics I had seen him in way back when), the first episode didn’t seem too bad, by todays standards.

    My wife mentioned that the kid would probably fall asleep though. It did drag on. So I guess I’m up for sitting through it again 😦

    Interested to know if the violence gets worst though AO, if you have watched more than one episode that is, say episode two, the one “It Follows” (just so we don’t go off track on this thread ok reb)

  233. April 23, 2015 7:36 pm

    So much stuff on my “too see” list its ridiculous….

    Hey KL I started watching Daredevil.. may persevere…
    Watched 4400 recently, that’s OK
    Finally got around to House of Cards, totally awesome…
    I’m staying with American Netflix 9000 titles verse 2000 titles same price

    Saw inherent vice.. huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan here..
    Phoenix is great.. its pretty weird though..
    Quite brave for Anderson.. totally arthouse noir film…1/2 an hour too long though…

    “movies are too expensive” how much is a movie ?
    Z Moron

  234. April 23, 2015 7:42 pm

    It Follows is quite a good movie too, just in case anyone’s wondering….

  235. April 23, 2015 8:25 pm

    I could feel at the time
    There was no way of knowing
    Fallen leaves in the night
    Who can say where they’re blowing

    As free as the wind
    And hopefully learning
    Why the sea on the tide
    Has no way of turning

    More than this – there is nothing
    More than this – tell me one thing
    More than this – there is nothing

    It was fun for a while
    There was no way of knowing
    Like a dream in the night
    Who can say where we’re going

    No care in the world
    Maybe I’m learning
    Why the sea on the tide
    Has no way of turning

    More than this – there is nothing
    More than this – tell me one thing
    More than this – there is nothing

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:15 am

    Thanks ricky

    I’m going to check out some of those on your list.
    I had a binge on house of cards and now I’m left waiting for the next series which is why I ended up watching daredevil.

    I’m told that netflix is blocking australian credit cards and people using a VPN to get around geoblocking are getting letters to say they are being chucked out, do you know if that’s true?

    I’ve heard somewhere that a movie called ‘it follows’ is supposed to be OK, haven’t heard much about it though.

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:22 am

    …More than this – there is nothing…

    Much more than nothing, or just a little bit more? perhaps less is more?

  238. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 8:29 am

    perhaps less is more?

    more or less.

    I loved the article from Tim AO, he again hits the nail on the head (although the telling line is from a previous article)

    It is not just that there is a right wing media that dominates and is biased. It is that the opposite of right wing media isn’t left-wing media, it is sensible journalism.

    When you have a far right oligarch dictating terms to his media empire and the media empire controls the media landcsape within a country, then that is what you get.

    I don’t know the solution (except perhaps to introduce rules not to allow media outlets to lie)

    And, all along, this outlet has used not just its own sources, but now its payed for grubmint, to so totally bully and belittle the public broadcaster that we get the two differing “interviews” like we saw on 7.30 the past two nights.

    In the first one, sales actually uses liberal talking points to berate Bowens

    LEIGH SALES: On that point, the Coalition’s pointed out that those two policies are both about imposing new taxes, so should voters conclude that Labor’s approach to fixing the budget deficit will be higher taxes, not spending cuts?

    CHRIS BOWEN: Well that’d be the government which has tried a GP tax, a petrol tax increase, a deficit levy …

    LEIGH SALES: No, you’re announcing the policy. I’m asking, you know …

    CHRIS BOWEN: No, no, but they’re making an allegation about tax; they’re trying to ignore their own record.

    LEIGH SALES: No, but – no, but let’s talk about you.

    CHRIS BOWEN: And, look, we’ve announced two substantial packages. This is reining back tax concessions – no doubt about that. We’re doing it in a fair way, a sensible way, a sustainable way.

    LEIGH SALES: But my point is: is Labor’s approach going to be using tax rather than spending restraint?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4221817.htm

    I mean, she has Bowen on to talk about his policy, and all she can do is sprout liberal memes? What did we learn about the actual policy in that exchange?

    whereas in the second one, whatever pyne says, no matter how extreme the lie, it really just accepted as fact, and on she goes, allowing him to spout another

    Amazingly, what we’ve seen is that we have produced four times the emissions reduction in the very first auction than was achieved during the entire carbon tax experiment at about 1/90th of the price, at just over one per cent of the price of emissions reduction under the carbon tax. So what you see is that you have a massively expensive project experiment which failed to achieve its outcomes…

    LEIGH SALES: But…

    GREG HUNT: … versus something which just today has in its first auction achieved four times, four times the outcome.

    LEIGH SALES: Minister, if you can address my point, at $13.95 per tonne, the amount set today, given that you have $2.55 billion to spend, you will fall short of Australia’s targets by about 57 million tonnes.

    GREG HUNT: No, that’s false.

    LEIGH SALES: OK, so how are you going to reach the targets?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4222650.htm

    It really is an embarrassment. When every single piece of data shows that the Carbon Price achieved (and more) what it was designed for, and every indication to date, and all projections, are that direct action cannot achieve anything.

    But, when we have an environment where the Right wing control the media and therefore the debate, and the “left” wing stick to playing the straight bat, this slow creep of declining journalistic standards is the only real outcome we will see.

  239. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 8:43 am

    Here ya go mssales, something to keep in mind next time pyne starts lying to you.

    The results of the first round of the Government’s polluters’ slush fund released today show that Australians bought $660 million of carbon pollution at a price about twice that of Labor’s proposed emissions trading scheme. This confirms that the fund will fall about 40 per cent short of its carbon abatement challenge.
    ……..
    A number of troubling problems have been identified with the release of this material:

    1. Tony Abbott’s carbon price is twice the price forecast by Treasury for Labor’s ETS in 2013.

    2. This is a $660 million bill being footed by the taxpayer rather than big polluters.

    3. Taxpayers won’t be getting value for money. Taxpayers will be handing money to a large number of existing projects to fund things that were happening already.

    4. Assuming all contracts deliver their projected abatement, this policy will deliver, at best, 200 million tonnes of abatement by the middle of next decade. That’s a fraction of what will be needed to achieve the Climate Change Authority’s recommended emissions reduction targets.

    5. Meanwhile, Australia’s biggest polluters remain completely free to increase their own pollution levels.

    http://markbutler.alp.org.au/news/2015/04/23/abbotts-carbon-price-falls-far-short

    and

  240. April 24, 2015 10:05 am

    That’s an excellent read from Tim Dunlop, AO..

  241. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:07 am

    “That’s an excellent read from Tim Dunlop, AO..”

    If you are a rusted on Leftie who believes the World’s Media is all completely biased to the Right.

    After all the Guardian said it was so…………………LOL

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:10 am

    Qantas is the 5th most desirable place to work!

    Far from being a basket case with headquarters in Texas, as some tipped, it is now financially stable (for an airline) and performing well.

    On the other hand the union that was involved in the dispute is shown to be run by oddballs.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/virgin-australia-abc-top-workplace-wishlist-in-randstad-awards-20150423-1mrsmb.html

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:15 am

    Here’s some personal info, remember the slasher movie ‘psycho’? Well, I have glass shower doors now, but in previous times have always had to buy a clear plastic shower curtain, I hate not being able to see out when in the shower!

    …In the first one, sales actually uses liberal talking points to berate Bowens…

    That really annoys me, it’s like they can’t actually present their own investigation anymore, they have to adhere to a liberal party ‘viewpoint’ on everything. Probably because aunty is so knee capped by those false claims of bias every time the libs hear anything they don’t like. I don’t watch 7:30 any more, it’s too frustrating, I don’t know if it’s leigh sales or the lib friendly ABC management that is the problem. Sadly, it’s ‘their’ ABC now.

    I do like johnny depp and would probably see this movie.

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:16 am

    TR, I watched 7:30 last night and could not believe that taxpayers – sorry the government – are actually paying $16 a tonne to polluters to plant trees!

    Wasn’t the carbon price $13? And Hunt said they had made a saving????? $3 a tonne DOWN?

    BTW The interview was with Hunt (not Pyne) – who never stopped talking long enough to hear a question let answer one truthfully … just like Pyne does …

    After the first “auction” they’ve already reduced emissions! What a Fuckwit! Nothing’s actually happened yet … according to Hunt it will take an “average” of 22 years, whatever that means!

    The Ministers have learned (or been taught) to keep talking to their script and steamroll the interviewer … and it seems to be working …

    Still … keep fogging the good burgers of Ozland and eventually they’ll say … “FCUK OFF!

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:18 am

    KL, those sausage and beer halls are deadly … my mate couldn’t walk past one!!!

    And the big pretzels … and the apple strudel … The Minister has recipe from our trip mmm …

    Greek food is not to my liking much … nor their wine … do they make beer …

  246. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:25 am

    “I hate not being able to see out when in the shower! ”

    At my age I’m happier for my bathroom mirrors not being able to accidentally see in

  247. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:28 am

    “Wasn’t the carbon price $13? ”

    Nope……………over $25 I recall

  248. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:31 am

    After all the Guardian said it was so…………………LOL

    To be fair, I’m pretty sure they stole that line from me 😉

    and it seems to be working …

    seems to be? 😯

    It’s an absolute fucken joke.

    Recall the marathon accusations questions put to Gillard. Which she answered, which backfired massively on all of the conspiracy theorists.

    Now, we have a pm, who favors brits, who is about to embarass us all on the shores of Gallipoli again, and who will not front up with a simple document to prove that he is no longer a pom and eligible for the position.

    The media don’t care, because they don’t want to know the answer.

    Every now and then they stick their heads up above the parapet, but, if murdoch ignores it, it just dies away

    Academics at the University of Western Australia have demanded its hierarchy explain how “sceptical environmentalist” Bjorn Lomborg was appointed as an adjunct professor for a new “consensus centre”, questioning whether the Danish researcher hand-picked by Prime Minister Tony Abbott has the proper qualifications.

    ..

    On behalf of her school, Professor Dunlop wrote that Dr Lomborg did not have the necessary academic track record to justify his appointment as an adjunct professor.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/creation-of-tony-abbottbacked-lomborg-consensus-centre-has-tarnished-our-reputations-say-academics-20150423-1mry7n.html

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:38 am

    …BTW The interview was with Hunt (not Pyne) – who never stopped talking long enough to hear a question let answer one truthfully … just like Pyne does …

    Both of them have got nothing on the motor mouth of scott morrison!

    Must be the libs media management – talk fast, get your message out and never let the interviewer get a question in, if they accidentally do so, never acknowledge it, just keep spruiking your message.

  250. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:39 am

    “………and who will not front up with a simple document to prove that he is no longer a pom and eligible for the position.”

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

  251. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:41 am

    After the first “auction” they’ve already reduced emissions! What a Fuckwit!

    Yea, it’s nauseating in its fawning these days the abc. It has been shit for a long time, but after yabot and the grubmint went after it, they sucked down even further into the shell the conservatives built for them.

    It’s almost a pointless exercise.

    If Labor don’t make big changes the next time they get in, then I reckon I might jump on the “sell it” bandwagon.

    Basically we are paying for an extension of the murdoch empire, not an independent source of information.

    Information there now seems to be what the grubmint says. I recall the old days of “the opposition says”. That has now disappeared.

    And I think wally is right about the price though.

  252. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:41 am

    “Academics at the University of Western Australia have demanded its hierarchy explain how…………”

    If I was in their heirarchy I’d be telling them to go fook themselves.

    Who are they to demand anything ?

  253. April 24, 2015 11:42 am

    I’m told that netflix is blocking Australian credit cards and people using a VPN to get around geoblocking are getting letters to say they are being chucked out, do you know if that’s true?

    Absolute bullshit.. mostly made up shit via the Murdoch press.. they are doing this because they know that
    1: They love their scare.. its their thing
    2: They know Netflix cannot come out and say anything in the press..for obvious reasons
    3: They are losing customers hand over fist to netflix

    You will be waiting a very long time for that letter I can assure you.. it is not illegal to circumvent a geoblock or use a VPN in Australia.

    Check out “Top of the Lake”.. Jane Campions series breathtakingly shot in NZ by Aussie (Bowral Boy) cinematographer Adam Arkapaw (True detective)

    and The CODE.. another Aussie Joint.
    Also good but rather out there is Black Mirror the BBC 4 part series
    All are on Netflix

  254. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:45 am

    …BTW The interview was with Hunt (not Pyne) –

    My bad, I just noticed a lying little twerp and made an assumption 😉

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

    wally prefers ignorance.

  255. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:48 am

    Who are they to demand anything ?

    err, the people the heirarchy are supposed to be representing 😯

  256. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:49 am

    lumping our kids with debt

  257. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:50 am

    The grubmint, well and truly stuck in opposition mode

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:59 am

    So lumping our kids with debt isn’t so great these days?

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:01 pm

    …Check out “Top of the Lake”.. Jane Campions series breathtakingly shot in NZ by Aussie (Bowral Boy) cinematographer Adam Arkapaw (True detective)
    and The CODE.. another Aussie Joint…

    I saw and enjoyed both of those ricky, will now add black mirror to my list!

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:03 pm

  261. April 24, 2015 12:03 pm

    We have become a nation of individuals with a sense of entitlement, and are prone to narcissism, jingoism and chauvinism. What’s more, there’s no political leadership of any colour to turn this around, writes Bruce Haigh.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-24/haigh-if-we-were-ever-the-lucky-country-we-arent-now/6411240

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:09 pm

    …So lumping our kids with debt isn’t so great these days?…

    Unless it’s the huge burden of debt for the climate change clean up and paying the polluters to pollute, that seems acceptable, they don’t mind that being left for the kids. Guess the kids will inherit all those family homes, investment properties and superannuation ‘investment’ though.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:16 pm

    …We have become a nation of individuals with a sense of entitlement, and are prone to narcissism, jingoism and chauvinism. What’s more, there’s no political leadership of any colour to turn this around, writes Bruce Haigh…

    Thanks to John Howard and his protege abbott who is intent on ramping it up to the max with his hyper masculine politics, they believe these are the tried and true methods for coalition re-election for decades to come.

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:20 pm

    from the bruce haigh link:

    …Australia is moving into recession and there is nothing the Reserve Bank can do about it, armed with only the crude instrument of adjustments to the interest rate. Insufficient provision was made for the future by the populist Howard government…

    Some of us have been saying that for quite a while now.

  265. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:24 pm

    “wally prefers ignorance.”

    No…………………I prefer evidence that he is not qualified over idiocy.

    But I cant speak for you

    Let the accuser produce the evidence is generally how it works.

  266. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:28 pm

    “Insufficient provision was made for the future by the populist Howard government…”

    ROFLMAO.

    How about

    “Extreme expenditure commitments were made for the future by the unpopular Rudd/Gillard government…”

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:46 pm

  268. April 24, 2015 12:51 pm

    How about complete disregard and criminally negligent neglect of infrastructure (including selling our telecommunications infrastructure) for middle class vote bribe welfare and upper class tax evasion…
    ROTFLMAO

  269. April 24, 2015 12:53 pm

    “There you go kids! The Abbott govt has borrowed $21.55 billion which will not be repaid until 2033-2037”

    Hey, wait a minute. I thought these geniuses wanted the government to borrow more money, because the bond rates are so low and everything. It’s all soo confusing.

  270. April 24, 2015 12:56 pm

    SELL IT ALL (Ricky Pann Willing Ponies)

    The Pollies have conned us again
    Calling us their friend
    They sell the farm to pay the rent
    To a foreign land
    Telling me its progress
    while they build the road to nowhere
    Pepper the farms with CSG
    As they Strip the country bare

    Sell it all as progress
    All worship the economy
    As we worship money
    We die in community

    The Puppets call the mandate
    Like the issue is black or white
    Dividing us to conqueror
    Moralising who’s wrong or right
    Steamroll opposition to their ideology
    As they fix the game with media spin
    And call it democracy

    Sell it all as progress
    All praise the economy
    As we worship money
    We die in society

    Can we make a difference?
    Are we helpless fools?
    With party tricks they dance the same
    To the corporations tune
    People take a grain of salt
    from the river that’s run dry
    As their lips move they spruik
    Hope and faith
    Its just another lie

    Sell it all as progress
    All praise the economy
    As we worship money
    We die in community

    Sell it all as progress
    All praise the economy
    We don’t live in a bank
    We live in a society
    (all rights reserved Ricky Pann Sub Urban Voodoo Productions)

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:57 pm

    I want to see a RC into the finance industry, and another into asylum seekers, will labor ever have the guts to do it?

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:01 pm

    We live in a society, not an economy

    TB has one TM’d too. The greens have spruiked the message for a long time [which probably causes some in-fighting amongst the factions].

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:05 pm

    I remember when I said we should have lower debt and that we were loading up the next generation . A few years ago this was disdained and links to Kouk were provided to demonstrate that we shouldn’t worry.

    So Kouk thinks we should worry now? What a short attention span he has.

  274. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:14 pm

    “I remember when I said we should have lower debt and that we were loading up the next generation ”

    I do recall a few of us bloggers warning that after the first round of stimulus Swan was effectively leaving absolutely nothing in the Treasury coffers just in case we needed more “Fiscal Bullets”

    And I wonder if all those dead people (including pink batt installers) and backpackers cashed their $900 cheques

  275. April 24, 2015 1:15 pm

    So Kouk thinks we should worry now? What a short attention span he has.

    No what a short attention span you have Tom.. what he has been saying all along is that there is no economic emergency and infrastructure spending (debt ) is good for growth..
    Is this government building anything? Even things that are essential to growth and regionaisation, they devalue and fuck up like the NBN, which is essentially fucked before they deliver it…

    The infrastructure Prime Minister seems to about as credible as the minister for woman..

  276. April 24, 2015 1:38 pm

    As I have said all along Abbott is incapable of governing for all Australians, he is the most unworthy and dysfunctional PM since McMahon PM
    Like Minister for Woman and Bandis Minister for the Arts , its just a big fuck to you opponents of their neocon ideology

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:39 pm

    Really?

    NBN and similar infrastructure projects don’t appear as debt in the budget.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:49 pm

    And you wonder why I rant against it?

    Even the Murdoch Mob are starting to “get it”

    (Either that or they are encouraging wannabe Robber Barons!)

    HOW NEGATIVE GEARING WORKS:

    * You borrow money to purchase a residential property or other income-producing asset.

    * You make a loss after offsetting any income against interest on the loan and other outgoings.

    * You claim that loss as an offset against other income, such as your salary, resulting in a refund from the tax office.

    EXAMPLE:

    * You purchase a property for $750,000, taking out a $650,000 loan at an interest rate of 5 per cent.

    * You rent the property at $600 a week for an annual income of $31,200.

    * The annual interest payment of $32,500 creates a shortfall of $1300 even before you add in other tax-deductible outgoings.

    * Say the total shortfall adds up to $4000. That amount can be offset against other taxable personal income, such as your salary.

    Now what if you rented it to a mate and he let you live in it … and you gave him the money for the rent?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/negative-gearing-explained/story-e6frfku9-1227318676182

    My lecturer used to insist that you suffered a loss … not made one … I guess he was wrong.

  279. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:49 pm

    “Push to fund climate think tank for ‘environmental sceptic’ Bjorn Lomborg was PM’s office idea”

    So……like…………………who cares ???????????????????

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:51 pm

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp

    A generation ago, in the 1980s, Greece’s debt to GDP was where we are now. It really doesn’t take that long to become a basket case

    All I heard a few years ago was that debt wasn’t a problem. Now that the Liberals are racking up debt, has it become a problem?

  281. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:54 pm

    Let the accuser produce the evidence is generally how it works.

    Thom(p)son, Slipper, Gillard. Where were your crocodile tears back then?

    The evidence is in the lack of it. He has been asked to show the form. He has refused. When asked to produce something, the accused then must provide the evidence. Bring it on I say.

    I thought these geniuses wanted the government to borrow more money, because the bond rates are so low and everything.

    And spend on “worthwhile” projects. So far, where are those projects.

    But, the reason yoo’r confused is because, we were told this was BAD, by the same people now making a pastime of it.

    just in case we needed more “Fiscal Bullets”

    Is any of this front loading being used on “Fiscal Bullets”?

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:56 pm

    Price per tonne … Greg Hunt

    LEIGH SALES: On the carbon tax, you’ve raised it – you’ve raised it a few times, so let me ask you, under the previous government’s scheme, the carbon tax by now would have been floating at about $10 a tonne. Companies would have been paying that to the Government to pollute. Now under your scheme…

    GREG HUNT: Correct: to pollute.

    LEIGH SALES: To pollute. Now under your scheme, the Government is paying companies $14 a tonne not to pollute. How is that efficient use of taxpayer money?

    I got the values wrong but the COST is almost the same @ $4.00

    I think I also said an average of 22 years … it should read an average of 7 years which takes us out to 2022 (two years after 2020) and its an “average” not a “median”

    I like the weasel words “To pollute…”

    What a Fuckwit …

  283. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:58 pm

    “… and you gave him the money for the rent?”

    He’d have to declare it as income…………………your point ????

  284. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:58 pm

    ,i>So……like…………………who cares ?

    Well, for starters, anyone who believes in the advancement of science.

    But, couldn’t he even get local denialists to make shit up. He even outsourced that. Does he want NO Australian to have a job?

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:00 pm

    And I wonder if all those dead people (including pink batt installers) and backpackers cashed their $900 cheques

    While, some of us didn’t get a thing … limbo land of over 60 SFR at the time …

  286. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:00 pm

    “…………the carbon tax by now would have been floating at about $10 a tonne. ”

    I cant recall exactly but didnt the Carbon Tax have a Green imposed floor ?

  287. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:00 pm

    I like the weasel words “To pollute…”

    Should I even go there 😉

  288. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:02 pm

    “Well, for starters, anyone who believes in the advancement of science.”

    So why were so many non climate scientists appointed to the Climate Change Authority by the ALP ?

  289. April 24, 2015 2:07 pm

    So……like…………………who cares ???????????????????

    Many of the people that voted Fiberal who were hoodwinked by such “surprises” from the no surprise “Jack off Box”

    Really?
    NBN and similar infrastructure projects don’t appear as debt in the budget.

    Yeah Yeah Tom// the sale of Telstra showed as a nice brag for Honest John..
    The fallout of replacing it not so much. It basically set us back 10 years which is a century in terms of technology and decentralised infrastructure…
    But hey Fibre to the premises is just for gamers right? forget productivity, decentralise service industries, telecommuting, convergent services…

    The internet is for treating citizens like criminals and handing your metadata to signi-torys of the TPP so they can sue people for circumventing geoblock…

    The only infrastructure this lot are building are mines for foreign interest
    Technology…fail
    Roads..fail
    Rail..fail
    Schools..Fail
    NDIS..fail
    Health ..fail

    These fucktards cant even pass a budget.. yet the find money for chaplains and Lumberg…

  290. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:10 pm

    So why were so many non climate scientists appointed to the Climate Change Authority by the ALP ?

    They were?

    http://climatechangeauthority.gov.au/about-cca/authority-members

  291. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:11 pm

    (including pink batt installers)

    Probably the most horrendous lie placed upon us by the ones who care the least.

  292. April 24, 2015 2:12 pm

    I watched a movie last week.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:16 pm

    He’d have to declare it as income…………………your point ????

    Who would … ’tis only a contract on paper?

    ++++++++++++++++

    A generation ago, in the 1980s, Greece’s debt to GDP was where we are now.

    ToM, comparing Australia to Greece (at any time) is like comparing The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes to saints …

    Some of us have been there too …

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:18 pm

    I watched a movie last week.

    Have you seen, It Follows, yet, sreb? A mate of mine says its pretty good …

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:22 pm

    That’s fascinating from the CFMEU – every 9 minutes.

    It’s proof that we should believe the CFMEU!!

    …on the other hand…

    The Agriculture, forestry and fishing industry recorded the highest number of fatalities in 2013 (48) followed by the Transport, postal and warehousing (46), and Construction (19) industries.

    http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/about/publications/pages/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities-australia-2013

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:26 pm

    TB – “ToM, comparing Australia to Greece…

    A generation ago successive Greek governments thought they could borrow and spend their way to prosperity. Sounds like the “informed opinion” that gets advanced by “economists” and their blog supporters sometimes.

  297. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:26 pm

    Did you read the “injured” bit yomm? 😯

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:26 pm

    I saw a film once.

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:29 pm

    Yeah right Tom R, so there are 58,400 “severe injuries” and 19 deaths each year???

    Got a link for that, other than CFMEU bulls**t tweets?

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:43 pm

    There were actually 12,000 injuries according to the latest data, and an injury rate of 17 per 1000 employees. High and unsatisfactory, but lower than manufacturing, transport, warehousing, postal, agriculture, forestry, fishing.

    It’s a little higher than the public service.

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:46 pm

    It’s interesting to see that the sector that has seen a fall in union density – mining, where the CFMEU also has coverage – has shown a big improvement in injury rates.

  302. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 3:19 pm

    The preliminary data for 2011–12 show there were 13 735 successful workers’ compensation claims for serious injury or illness in the Construction industry. On average
    there were 39 claims each day from employees who required one or more weeks off work because of work-related injury or disease

    http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/about/Publications/Documents/430/Construction-Fact-Sheet-2011-12.pdf

    The latest data 😉 Not sure why you can’t get figures correct. Is it on purpose?

    Now, where’s your link for the falling Union Density?

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2015 3:36 pm

    So that’s one every 9 minutes?

    …and an expectation of lawful behaviour on building sites is due to the safety activities of the CFMEU? Got some evidence for that?
    ————–
    I saw a film once.

  304. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 4:01 pm

    Got some evidence for that?

    ROFL

    (really, it’s all it deserved)

  305. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 5:43 pm

    “They were?”

    Quigan, Hamilton, Fraser are NOT climate scientists. Chubb is a scientist but not a climate scientist, Karoly is the only one

  306. April 24, 2015 6:48 pm

    l””””don`t know if it`s leigh sales or the lib friendly ABC management that is the problem”””””””’

    #Over at my abc, l would suggest it is the board and upper-management that are the problem armchair, not the `on-air` staff. ln the last few weeks, reportland producer sally neighbor `departed` reportland, and joined 4corners.

    #l would also suggest neighbor has `tired` of creating the `guff` reportland is more-often using as `content` (book and film promo`s dressed as interviews, .. overly short interviews with politicians that can talk non-stop across `allotted` short-time-slot) as reportland `drifts` along the scale, toward teh-drum end of the scale, and `away` from the 4corners end of the scale.

    #l would also suggest the budget-cuts to my abc may have hit reportland harder, so as to keep 4corners more `viable` on the `investigative` front.

  307. Dud Economist permalink
    April 24, 2015 6:54 pm

    38 hours/week x 48 weeks = 1824 working hours/year
    1 injury every 9 working minutes = 12,160 injuries/year

  308. April 24, 2015 7:46 pm

    blubbering”””I prefer evidence that he is not qualified over idiocy””””’

    #tho you continually regurgitate blot #hypocrisy

  309. April 24, 2015 8:24 pm

    guardian”””’the west is more than happy to deal with China, another success story with a deplorable human rights record and worsening attacks on civil society.

    The tradeoff , stability and prosperity for authoritarianism , is global. When Saudi King Abdullah died in January this year, Australian government buildings lowered their flags to mark the death. Obama flew to the funeral to pay respects to the royal family.

    Alongside a massive entourage, including the CIA director and a host of Democrat and Republican figures”””””””””’

    #team.america #fcuk.yeah #slavery

  310. April 24, 2015 8:54 pm

    This film seems nice.

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 9:31 pm

    I thought that too …

  312. Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2015 1:02 am

    Lawrence of Arabia is quite a good film

    But it does need a bit more authenticity

    A few more beheadings would be good

    Has anyone noticed that all the travelling on camel was done left to right so people felt it was a journey ?

    Anyway watched it tonight with the big speakers going

    WONDERFUL !

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2015 9:30 am

    …Has anyone noticed that all the travelling on camel was done left to right so people felt it was a journey ?…

    I don’t get that walrus, can’t we ‘feel’ a journey when going from right to left? Why is it different? Some kind of visual trick?

    Australia ‘public enemy number one’ of UN climate talks, says Nobel laureate
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/25/australia-public-enemy-number-one-of-un-climate-talks-says-nobel-laureate

    …Peter Doherty, Nobel laureate of medicine, says a clear message has emerged at an international symposium of experts in climate, economics and business…

    …“People are saying informally that Australia and Canada are emerging as public enemy number one for the Paris talks on climate,” Doherty said.

    “No other names are being mentioned. Australia is seen as very much out of touch and out of sync with what’s happening globally.”…

  314. April 25, 2015 11:07 am

    guardian”””””””””The difference between people like me and

    ##the person running the government##

    is I`m interested in evidence, insights, solutions and solving problems, and

    ##he is interested in ideology and looking backwards##””””’

    ***guffaw***

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2015 10:29 pm

  316. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2015 11:26 pm

    https://thenickilic.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/are-we-even-able-to-debate-the-ideas-behind-anzac-day/

    …“SBS presenter Scott McIntyre has been sacked from the broadcaster after posting a series of comments about Anzac Day on Twitter that were described as “inappropriate and disrespectful”.”…

    Sydney Morning Herald – April 26th, 2015

  317. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:12 am

    It was a pretty stupid tweet to put out, especially since he aligns his account with SBS without declaring that the views are his own, which most journo’s tend to do these days. But watching the rwdb’s line up with the boot was even more entertaining, especially given their vociferous support of bolts similar transgressions along the way.

    Do these nutbags ever sit back and reflect on their hypocrisy?

    Not sure if a summary sacking is warranted, I would have felt more comfortable if he had been called in for a “please explain” session. He probably would have been sacked then, but he didn’t seem to even be able to voice his defense (from what I have seen). As it sits now, he seems to have been thrown under the bus in another clear example of Tim Dunlops recent article over the right wing lean of our media.

  318. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:15 am

    “We spent the revenues from the boom as they came in from 2003,” said Ross Garnaut, a professor of economics at the University of Melbourne who counseled Prime Minister Bob Hawke during the opening up of the economy in the 1980s. “That left us high and dry when the Chinese new model of economic growth ended our resources boom.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/australia-blew-a-1-trillion-export-windfall-what-happens-now-

  319. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:16 am

  320. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:20 am

    And of course, greg hunt is able to blatantly lie and the msm dutifully repeat the lies for him

    A Simple Guide To Understanding Greg Hunt’s ‘Nonsense’ Carbon Con – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/04/25/simple-guide-understanding-greg-hunt%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98nonsense%E2%80%99-carbon-con#sthash.gcS8fHOW.dpuf

    And the grubmint continues to fund idiots

  321. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:53 am

    What was the outcome of those people photographed with Pauline Hanson?

  322. April 27, 2015 8:54 am

    From Tom R’s link…

    Queen Elizabeth said it best:
    “To all those who have suffered as a consequence of our troubled past I extend my sincere thoughts and deep sympathy. With the benefit of historical hindsight we can all see things which we would wish had been done differently or not at all.”

    War, in hindsight, is like that.

    I believe it is best we seriously consider every conflict we devote our forces to. Especially consider the outcomes of previous (including similar) conflicts that we have sent young Australians to.

    I believe every ANZAC day in Canberra, those standing in front of the Australian War Memorial during the Dawn and National Service should every now and then turn around 180 degrees, look at the big house on the big hill and ask those inside, “was it worth it?”.

    I concur.

  323. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:08 am

    What was the outcome of those people photographed with Pauline Hanson?

    I don’t know the final outcome, I do know they weren’t summarily sacked though.

    “was it worth it?”

    And I think for most wars (WW2 being the obvious one out) the answer would be NO!

    But then, with WW!, would there have been a 2?

    I did try to move this to the other thread 😦

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:27 am

    And I think for most wars (WW2 being the obvious one out) the answer would be NO!

    I concur … have for many years … the only chance of Australia being invaded has been from the Japanese (not including the First Fleet) …

    In every other conflict we have invaded other countries … funny that, hey?

    I wonder if we would respect Turkey had they invaded Australia?

  325. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:36 am

    A classic. “Angry” Obama lays into Denialists

    And gets across a few other points in the process

  326. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:46 am

    Our msm hard at work again

    The number of people looking for a job has now been over three quarters of a million for the past nine months – it’s 18 years since Australia had that many people out of work. Last month’s count of the unemployed – 768,600 in trend terms – was 60 per cent more than before the global financial crisis.

    With numbers like that and the federal budget just two weeks away, you’d expect Joe Hockey would be talking a lot about the jobless. But in five lengthy media doorstops, interviews and Q&A sessions by the Treasurer last week he was not asked one question about unemployment. The transcripts for those interviews run to more than 7000 words but the word “unemployment” was only uttered once.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/joe-hockey-why-isnt-he-being-grilled-about-unemployment-20150426-1mtb66.html

  327. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:17 am

    Well, it looks like some in the msm are starting to question greg hunts “reliability” (lies I’ll call them)

    Even by the Coalition’s own standards when it comes to matters of climate change, the claim by Environment Minister Greg Hunt that the cost of reducing emissions under the carbon tax is 93 times more expensive than his brainchild Emission Reduction Fund is breathtakingly audacious.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/climate/greg-hunts-claims-about-reducing-carbon-emissions-are-not-believable-20150426-1mtb94?stb=twt

    It would have been nice if sales could have done that on 7.30, or even contradicted him with Labors talking points, in the same way she contradicts Labor pollies with liberal talking points

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:22 am

    THE company rolling out the national broadband network has shortened its name.

    NBN Co has now adopted the acronym that most people associate with the multi-billion infrastructure project.
    From Monday it will be just NBN, a name change that comes with an estimated $700,000 taxpayer-funded marketing message: “nbn:bring it on”.

    SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND FKN DOLLARS!

    This company puts fibre optic cable underground – how many homes could be connected for $700,000 !?

    Cost Benefit Analysis for this nonsense was conducted when? Wasteful in the extreme …

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:41 am

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:00 pm

    The Nats are a waste of space’: Windsor opens up about life in politics
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/24/the-nats-are-a-waste-of-space-windsor-opens-up-about-life-in-politics/

    …Windsor points out that the derided Gillard government, vilified by its opponents as a “shambles”, actually passed more than 500 pieces of legislation. While John Howard only passed one substantive reform — the GST — Gillard’s hung Parliament achieved six major reforms, Windsor says. They were the National Broadband Network, the National Disability Insurance Scheme, the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, climate change and renewable energy reforms, Gonski and the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse. Seven if you count cigarette plain-packaging reforms.

    Contrast this with today’s Parliament. The Coalition has been unable to pass a single substantive bill, while the 2014 budget is still hanging around like a winter cough. The PM’s approval ratings will soon put him on a par with Rolf Harris.

    However, Windsor says that while Julia Gillard was a good legislator, she was a poor marketer of her own policies. Part of the reason was that she got up every morning to face three opposition leaders — Tony Abbott, Kevin Rudd and the Murdoch press…

    …“Now that I am refreshed and still interested and concerned about where our nation is heading I would not rule out a return to politics … Watch this space…

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:22 pm

    If you thought subsidies for public transport were greater than those for cars, think again:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/24/do-cars-or-trains-cost-society-more/

    …The subsidy for public transport is mostly a financial cost — it is funded direct from the current budget. Hence, governments worry about it because they have to find the funds in the current term and these necessarily come at the expense of some other expenditure.

    The subsidy for cars, however, is mostly an economic cost. The cost of externalities like congestion, pollution and emissions are diffuse and are mostly borne by the community at large, e.g. in the form of slower travel times, poorer long-term health and climate change.

    Even where these costs impact the budget — e.g. higher health costs due to pollution-caused sickness — they mostly manifest years down the track and hence are of little interest to the current government…

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:56 pm

    I didn’t really know where to put this as it’s serious and not entertainment. The author wanted her book to be freely available and has included her insights into the system and how to change it for the better. She tells her story with her diary writings and I found it powerful and disturbing.

    It’s only 177 pages, am hoping that one or two of you might be interested enough to read it.

    Dealing With Sexual Abuse: A Young Person’s Insights:
    https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/439132

  333. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:04 pm

    It’s only 177 pages, am hoping that one or two of you might be interested enough to read it.

    Thanks AO, will have a read later. Downloaded the epub

  334. April 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    Saw Whiplash last night.. pretty bloody good

    Kitty check out Dirty Wars on Netflix…Heavy shit
    Primarily why I dont trust American Governments

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:18 pm

    According to the report, Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, and Australia are the top 10 happiest countries in the world.

    You wouldn’t know this by looking at some of the miserable types that hang around blogs!

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-2015-world-happiness-report-names-switzerland-as-the-happiest-country-in-the-world/story-e6frfq80-1227322891930

  336. April 27, 2015 2:19 pm

  337. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 7:51 pm

  338. April 28, 2015 1:02 am

    Windsor””says that while Julia Gillard was a good legislator, she was a poor marketer of her own policies””””””’

    #l still like windsor, he tells it how it is.

    #he seems to agree with me about the teabumpkins too 🙂

  339. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2015 4:43 am

    “#l still like windsor, he tells it how it is. “

    I don’t. I think Windsor is a liar. He is perfect for the ALP

  340. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 8:25 am

    and Australia are the top 10 happiest countries in the world.

    Thank Dog for the Unions who help us maintain that happiness hey yomm 😉

    I think Windsor is a liar.

    Speaking of which nIl, you claimed “Bolt is not allowed to speak.”

    You still haven’t stumped up on that claim.

    I was only reminded of it when you mentioned “liar” 😉

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 3:46 pm

    Yer’ve gotta really like coal power stations hey?

    Otherwise this trickery at more efficient more effective unlimited power would drive you up the wall … hey?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/first-floating-solar-system-turned-on/story-e6frfku9-1227326835295

  342. April 30, 2015 1:57 pm

    I watched and amazing documentary last night that I have been meaning to catch for ages called Finding Vivian Maier​ So a guy buys a box lot of negatives at an auction which leads him to find all this undeveloped 35mm film. He makes a startling discovery of an unknown Nanny who ends up being a profoundly talented photographer with an incredible eye for street photography. Her work is astoundingly prolific over several decades. The film itself is a great social documentary about the film makers accidental discovery of a formidable talent and his journey to find out exactly who this very private, eccentric loner is.. Its a compelling stuff and very well executed film. I will link the work below.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2015 3:53 pm

    Thanks, RP … just watched the slideshows – ran 2/3/4 all at once … really thinking of playing black and white again!

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