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Anzac Fatigue: Why I Won’t be Buying Into the Collective Grief of Gallipoli

April 22, 2015

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It’s not even here yet and I am already well and fucking truly over Anzac Day. It’s not that I’m not sympathetic to the idea that 100 years ago a bunch of Australian soldiers (as well as New Zealanders and a host of others) were slaughtered on some ill-fated beach invasion in Turkey. I mean, that’s a pretty sad event by anyone’s measure, but it’s the increasing crassness and commercialisation of Anzac Day and the idea that as Australians we should all come together in some sort of collective consciousness of feigned teary-eyed melancholy. Hell mend you if you don’t feel inclined to participate.

The grotesque “Fresh in our Memories” social media campaign instigated by Woolworths is just one example, but there are many others.

The reality is that we’ve become such a harsh and uncaring nation, as evidenced by our treatment of asylum seekers (with some polls suggesting that 60% of Australians feel we’re still treating boat people too leniently), our indifference towards the young and unemployed – heck let’s cut them off welfare for six months, and the increasing hostility towards Muslims living in Australia.  It’s all part of the Abbott plan, and it’s a fucking disgrace.

It seems as though in the short space of just a few years, we’ve become such a hostile, selfish, and uncaring nation, that we almost need Anzac Day as a way to feel “human” again.  One day a year where we can pause to give thought to others who made a sacrifice that few of us will ever have to make, to ensure that the way of life we “enjoy” today is protected and maintained.

I wonder whether many of those soldiers, 100 years ago, would think twice about making that ultimate sacrifice if they could see what the Australian psyche has become today.

One could be forgiven for thinking that Anzac Day could easily be replaced with any other name, like “thanksgiving day” in the US, where for one brief moment in time, we pause to think of something other than ourselves and our own greedy obsessions with accumulating wealth and material possessions. A type of “confessional” that makes us feel better about ourselves for being the fairly ugly mob of self-serving obsessives we’ve become for every other day of the year.

Heck even the RSL clubs bear no resemblance to their original function or reason for being. Once, the meeting place for war veterans to meet and socialise and look after each other in a warm and supportive environment, today they are multi-million dollar enterprises that look more like Las Vegas casinos than organisations caring for war veterans.

The whole thing has become a fucking disgrace, and I for one won’t be participating in the collective love-in which is more about a “look at me” attention-seeking self-serving indulgence in feigned grief than anything to do with remembering the horrors of war and those who were caught up in the crossfire.

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  1. April 22, 2015 5:00 pm

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 5:17 pm

    I think I reflected a few days ago that I was pissed off as it became a commercialised shitfest …

    … the grope for the slimy dollar has buggered up just about everything good in society now from sport, christmas, easter, entertainment and simply going out for dinner – you name it and its tainted somehow and now the slick dicks are working on fucking up a simple day of remembrance of those who served …

    It seems as though in the short space of just a few years, we’ve become such a hostile, selfish, and uncaring nation, that we almost need Anzac Day as a way to feel “human” again. One day a year where we can pause to give thought to others who made a sacrifice that few of us will ever have to make, to ensure that the way of life we “enjoy” today is protected and maintained.

    Yep, Australia is fast losing international respect … and its really the people we elect as a nation doing it … I’ve always been proud to be Australian (particularly overseas – and especially in the UK) … now I cringe (not enough to say I’m a Kiwi tho’) …

    I still have the post I wrote some years ago for CW … I’ll have another read of that tonight.

    FYI, I will be marching alongside my son on Saturday and afterwards we will raise a glass to my parents who were both WWII Veterans … and obviously survived 🙂

  3. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 5:27 pm

    100 years ago a bunch of Australian soldiers (as well as New Zealanders and a host of others) were slaughtered on some ill-fated beach invasion in Turkey.

    As Something Wonky mentioned the other we, we seem to have remembered the wrong things, forgotten what we shouldn’t have. I am enheartnd by the outrage shown at things like the woolies campaign and the glorification witnessed on shows such as Sunday (I think it was, the ten or something??)

    I started watching it the other week, and while it was great to see the recognition of the soldiers, the sickening patriotism and slick commercialism of the whole thing got to me. I like my commemorations dry and factual, not glorified and uplifting. Wars have nothing to be uplifting about. That’s what we weren’t supposed to fucken forget!

    Swear I heard the angels cry
    Pray to god no more may die
    So that people know the truth
    Tell the tale of Paschendale

  4. April 22, 2015 6:18 pm

    Overcooked patriotism, garnished with Nationalist sentiment & re-served for the umpteenth time (made more sickly every year for the last decade…I blame Howard), put simply…tastes like shit.

    No amount of sauce makes it palatable in its current incarnation.

    Hijacked for expedience & label recognition.

  5. April 22, 2015 6:28 pm

    “great to see the recognition of the soldiers, the sickening patriotism and slick commercialism of the whole thing got to me. I like my commemorations dry and factual, not glorified and uplifting. Wars have nothing to be uplifting about. That’s what we weren’t supposed to fucken forget!”

    My sentiments exactly.

  6. April 22, 2015 6:31 pm

    I reserve my true sympathy for anyone sent to, or caught up within, war unwillingly.

    For My Country, is a bullshit reason to kill.

  7. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:39 pm

    For My Country, is a bullshit reason to kill.

    Only barely outstripped, imo, by For My Dog

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:43 pm

    Would it offend anyone here if I re-posted what I wrote in 2011?

    It is pretty long and was written by request as a post (not a comment) … and it’s certainly not commercial … 🙂

    Its very personal and it reminded me why I now attend Anzac Day …

    Any objections make it quick! 😉

    Or … sreb … you will remember it I’m sure … I could send it and you could vet it? (note the puns) 🙂

  9. April 22, 2015 6:44 pm

    For dog and cuntry.

  10. April 22, 2015 6:45 pm

    oh just post it FFS King Tut.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:45 pm

    BTW I will not be offended by any objections! Seriously!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:46 pm

    Don’t be like that, sreb … oh a’wright … BTW do you remember what I wrote?

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:46 pm

    Actually Diggers do it FOR their mates!

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 6:56 pm

    MY ANZAC

    I could try and wax lyrical about the Aussie Sprit of Anzac and the professionalism of our ADF members (for they truly are) … but my authoring capabilities are fairly limited to my own experiences and thoughts.

    Anzac Day is, I believe, many things to many people and in fact has become Australia’s de facto Remembrance Day (11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month) .

    A few still seem think that it’s a sabre rattling exercise – far from it, most soldiers I know/knew aren’t all that keen about being shot at! (unfortunately, free speech doesn’t actually come for free)

    Despite the awful mess at ADFA this year, that, I believe, should not taint the professional service of hundreds of thousands of military personnel past, present and future. They are, after all, human, just like the other 99.8% of the Australian population – in round figures the ADF is about 50000 out of 22 million.

    I didn’t want to be a soldier and I haven’t been in combat …but I’ve known a few who have.
    Both my grandfathers served in WWI. One served in France and was gassed but survived.
    My parents served in WWII, Mum on anti aircraft batteries during the London Blitz and my Dad in the Royal Navy on Atlantic convoys (North and South) as a signalman. My mother’s sister also served in the ATS and two of my uncles in the Navy.

    Post WWII, two more uncles served in Germany as National Servicemen, one in the air force and the other in the army. Another uncle, a professional, served as a WO during the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya in the 1950’s.

    In 1961 we emigrated to Australia and in 1969 I was called up for National Service… I never left Australia but two of my training platoon mates never returned from Vietnam …. our training platoon was unique in that we had a volunteer with us – an Aboriginal … the National Service Act didn’t apply to Aboriginals. ( I became an Australian Citizen some years after my Army Discharge).

    My son served in the ADF for over 12 years, enlisting as an army apprentice, he was attached to a number of units and was eventually accepted into the Paratroop Regiment, 3RAR. He was deployed to Bougainville and Timor, where he was seconded to the UN – 11 months in Timor with two days leave! (His wife and two year old son eventually came from Townsville to live with us for six months)

    My first “real” Anzac Day was at Bulimba in Brisbane … I was part of the Honour Guard provided by 1 Base Workshop … a dozen diggers in polyesters and shiny boots lugging an SLR rifle about … commanded by a very nervous 1st Lieutenant (pronounced “left-tenant” for those who watch American movies). Then back to the Bulimba RSL for a beer or two and a chat with the old diggers there. Very dim memories!

    I avoided Anzac Day Parades for nearly thirty years after I left the Army. (Nothing to do with me – I was just another Nasho).

    But … I hadn’t been speaking to my parents for a number of years and Dad asked my son if I’d go to the local Dawn Service – I did – and when the wreaths were laid, a little girl, eight or nine years old, slowly wended her way through the crowd, clutching a small, wilted, bunch of yellow flowers and laid it gently amongst the poppies … I’ve never missed a Dawn Service since.

    My son and I are both ex-members of the Royal Australian Electrical & Mechanical Engineers (RAEME).

    We’ll attend the local Dawn Parade with my 13 yo grandson (who proudly wears his great grandma’s WWII medals, my son his own and his grandad’s). We’ll have our own Gunfire Breakfast on the seafront and pour three tots of rum – one for me, one for my son and one for my father who passed away nine years ago – a small ritual, that we began in Dad’s RSL, the year he died.

    And then into the city by train at 10 am to meet up with the RAEME contingent..
    One of us a Nasho soldier and one a professional but we’ll march, side by side, father and son, through Brisbane (something else that was never on my “bucket list”), to remember our colleagues and their families – NEVER forget the ADF families and the support they give our troops and the hardships they suffer while loved ones are away.
    I have never believed in the “reasons” for the wars in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan but I will always support the diggers, air force and navy personnel that have had to fight them.

    Even our former enemies, and now friends, understand and remember.
    I saw this for the first time (I know it’s been around for a long time!) at Anzac Cove last year … carved into a massive stone.

    Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives.
    You are now living in the soil of a friendly country therefore rest in peace.
    There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours.
    You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace.
    After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

    Written by Kemal Ataturk, the Commander of the Turkish 19th Division during the Gallipoli Campaign and the first President of the Turkish Republic from 1924-1938.

    Ataturk must have been an exceptional person.

    Ironically, last year*, we were in Nurnberg on Anzac Day. (*2010)

    Every generation of my family has served in some capacity in international conflict.

    I sincerely hope that my son was the last …

    From a Nasho digger … thank you to all who have served before me, with me and serve now… and thank you to all the people who support us all … the living and the fallen .. .on Anzac Day…
    TB

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them

    “For the Fallen” – Laurence Binyon – Poems of the Great War (1914)

    ++++++++++++++

    My grandsons are now 23, 21,17 – so far, they seem to be relatively safe … from the stupidity of politicians …

  15. April 22, 2015 7:01 pm

    “Diggers do it FOR their mates!”

    Is that a slogan? Maybe STIHL could use it…

  16. April 22, 2015 7:07 pm

    Yeah l`m in the `fatigue` boat too, maybe not to the extent of others here, but l am sick to death of hearing teabag-media peddle it for corporate and political propaganda.

    +

    So dunny, is this another matches and tablecloth event. lf so, l hope ya`got a starry and stripy tablecloth handy too 🙂

  17. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2015 7:25 pm

    Nice post TB. Thanks

    A few still seem think that it’s a sabre rattling exercise

    I guess there will always be those. And, I guess a lot who went there were a bit like that too. It takes all sorts. And I don’t really begrudge them their attitude.

    But I get sick of corporations looking how to milk it, like in rebs tweet near the top, and pollie whop try to use it.

    yabot has already tried it on. I’m not convinced about this ‘terror threat’ just in the nick of time for Anzac day. It’s all too clean, and all to reminiscent of previous mass raids and plastic swords. This mob have form, so I will always think the worst of them now.

    The whole atmosphere is just soaked with patriotic fervour and then tinged with some edge of fear to keep the masses on their toes.

    It’s quite sickening really.

    And if yabot appears on a podium with a wall of flags, I think I’ll puke.

  18. April 22, 2015 7:48 pm

    t””A few still seem think that it`s a sabre rattling exercise””’

    #interestingly, there was a talking-head on the telly a couple of nights ago (with a yank accent), and was saying it is good that the Aust public hasn`t fallen victim to becoming `militaristic` (unlike teh-usa has) and tends to `restrain` some of the sillyness around going to war

    #well l thought, we didn`t seem to get `restrained` from all the gallipoli re-runs of trotting off to optional wars/battles on behalf of others, korea, vietnam, ww2-europe, afghan/iraq

    #where the fcuk do they find these idiot talking-heads

    #sure maybe the public aint `militaristic`, but the canberra buffoons seem to be

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2015 7:58 pm

    Is that a slogan? Maybe STIHL could use it…

    You on the piss again? 😉

    My rotisseried chook awaits … the aroma is mouth watering …

    We haven’t heard from Mr & Mrs Wally – I do hope they are OK …

  20. April 22, 2015 7:58 pm

    “Only barely outstripped, imo, by For My Dog”

    Indeed…at least a ‘country’ could be considered to be physically verifiable territory. Killing for made up fantasy overlord dogma societies (The Monarchy qualifies) is worse; now that I think about it.

  21. April 22, 2015 8:01 pm

    “Diggers do it FOR their mates!”

    On the battlefield, absolutely…but I’m not convinced that that’s why many ‘join up’ to begin with.
    Also, I don’t believe that there are no atheists in foxholes.

  22. April 22, 2015 8:02 pm

    “sure maybe the public aint `militaristic`, but the canberra buffoons seem to be”

    The Fiddle & The Drum…

  23. April 22, 2015 8:26 pm

  24. April 22, 2015 8:31 pm

    “So dunny, is this another matches and tablecloth event. lf so, l hope ya`got a starry and stripy tablecloth handy too ”

    Not this time, or ever on ANZAC Day.

    I too remember when it wasn’t just a colossal load of wank.

    In my imagination I am burning flag draped, oi-oi-oi-ing dickheads though, rest assured.

  25. April 22, 2015 8:33 pm

    Astonishingly, apologists for the Vietnam War still walk among us.

    The same mentality that brought Iraq#2 et al.

  26. April 22, 2015 8:36 pm

    Happily, I think we have advanced somewhat in the last century.

    I can see no contemporary politician with the (misplaced) ideological conviction necessary to inflict conscription upon the population.

  27. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2015 8:49 pm

    I have never been to a dawn service. If i remember to set the alarm i may go this Saturday

  28. April 22, 2015 8:51 pm

    Well done, bot.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 2:36 am

    …It’s not even here yet and I am already well and fucking truly over Anzac Day…

    So true, me too. They’ve been geeing it up like crazy. Abbott was almost begging everyone in the country to get to gallipoli and make his day!

    Too bad if you are a VN vet or saw some other military service, only anzac counts. I prefer to remember them all on the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the eleventh month myself.

    …I blame Howard), put simply…tastes like shit…

    I blame him too, it wasn’t enough that he was a racist bigot, spawned by his father’s activism in the nationalist/fascist new guard. Howard assured the bogan nation that it is quite acceptable for everyone to be the same. Abbott has, of course, ramped it up to the max.

    I wish I could be “vaccinised” against them 🙂

    https://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/john-howard-and-family-values/

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 2:44 am

    ‘Gallipoli fatigue’ causes poor ratings for WWI TV shows as war weary Australians switch off
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-22/gallipoli-fatigue-poor-ratings-for-wwi-tv-shows/6413536

  31. Steve permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:39 am

    Good article Reb. I can distil this down to its essence. No Anzac = no biscuits, its that simple

  32. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 8:41 am

    I haven’t had a chance to listen to this, so cannot offer any opinions, except to say that it looks interesting

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/what-anzac-day-overlooks/6409722

  33. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:16 am

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 9:59 am

    An event called “Camp Gallipoli” cancelled because of rain. You are kidding me.

    LOL! Conscription might be a useful thing****** 🙂

    Baaaaa … baaaa …

  35. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2015 10:10 am

    Conscription might be a useful thing

    😉

    Of course, the opposite argument is these kinds of events can/do raise awareness. I’m assuming it was targeted to younger kids. It depends on the message they send. I don’t know enough about the event to lay the boots in yet 😉

  36. April 23, 2015 4:02 pm

    The casual passer-by might look in the office window, and at first-look, see a bunch of whining anti-anzac cnuts, whining for no reason. Well, not so, even the professor`s that lurk around the corridors from time to time at my abc acknowledge the `fatigue` of anzac.

    my abc””””””Professor Clare Wright says many Australians are suffering from `Gallipoli fatigue`.

    Commercialised and politicised aspects of Gallipoli centenary commemorations have left people wary and resulted in a distorted view of the Anzac campaign, one historian says.

    “I think people are feeling like it`s been turned into a kind of circus sideshow that we’re all being sold tickets to,” historian Clare Wright told The World Today.”””””””””””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-22/gallipoli-fatigue-poor-ratings-for-wwi-tv-shows/6413536

    +

    #and yes dear casual passer-by, there does seem be political and corporate propaganda too,

    my abc””””””””””there`s been millions of dollars spent by recent governments, certainly the Government at the moment is spending over $300 million on Anzac commemorations.”

    Australia is spending more money on its World War I commemoration than any other country in the world, according to Professor Wright.”””””””””’

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:40 pm

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 23, 2015 4:56 pm

    …FYI, I will be marching alongside my son on Saturday and afterwards we will raise a glass to my parents who were both WWII Veterans … and obviously survived :)…

    March proudly TB, though I dislike the politicians hijacking anzac day and the marketing of it as a commercialised form of the culture wars, I will always support the soldiers and their sacrifices..

    I will never support the military and spies being used as vote grabbers, backdrops and reflected glory of shameless politicians.

    What’s with king tut, is there a story?

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:41 pm

    I prefer Abbott’s original response. First Dog is a gutless tool playing with himself as much as with words.

    Adam Smith had some interesting things to say about empathy for others in far away places.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 5:58 pm

    Thanks, KL …

    What’s with king tut, is there a story?

    sreb, probably knows … I can’t remember now … he said something smart intellectually stimulating and it went from there …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I prefer Abbott’s original response.

    Which one, sb … shit happens

    Or a painful 20 seconds of silence …

    I’ve noticed you’re back to tackling the player not the ball again …

    Just sayin’ …

  41. April 23, 2015 5:58 pm

    I””’prefer Abbott`s original response””””’

    #it sounds like moon-dog nipped somebody on their anal-nerve

    +

    What`s””’with king tut, is there a story?””””’

    #you know how it is with kweenzlanderz, give them a gold crown, and it goes straight to their head

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 6:08 pm

    Adam Smith had some interesting things to say about empathy for others in far away places.

    Adam Smith? Written in 1775? The link in 2008?

    And I read it twice … and I’m still shaking my head …

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 6:23 pm

    Well i am glad i missed the lot. I missed WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2.

    So many young kids died without getting a chance to marry and have kids.

    The amazing thing about our military in WW1 and WW2 is that they were all volunteers. Nobody had to go but i guess there was enormous peer pressure to enlist.

  44. April 23, 2015 6:27 pm

    One of the best Documentaries I have seen on Anzacs for a long while
    http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/lest-we-forget-what/DO1321H001S00

  45. April 23, 2015 7:15 pm

    “”sreb, probably knows … I can’t remember now “”

    Oh do come along KT….

    I do recall that you and Molly Meldrum have something in common – a penchant for Egyptian themed decor…

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 7:17 pm

    The amazing thing about our military in WW1 and WW2 is that they were all volunteers.

    Volunteers:

    WWI

    Korea

    Iraq (G1 and G2)

    Afghanistan

    (In fact there have been no conscripts in the Australian Army (or other branches of the ADF) since 1972)

    The 39th Battalion and the 53rd Battalion were “militia” – part time soldiers and fought the Kokoda Trail … called “chokos” by the regular army … ’cause they would melt in battle … like chocolate … the militia under the Defence Act of the day prohibited sending these troops overseas but … as we all know politicians are good at telling porkies and changing their minds … the 39th was well led and fought one of the most famous defensive withdrawals in our military history … the 53rd was poorly led a suffered for it – badly …

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2015 7:20 pm

    I do recall that you and Molly Meldrum have something in common – a penchant for Egyptian themed decor…

    Not much else … and actually it’s The Minister and I can assure you she has NOTHING in common with Molly …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    One of the best Documentaries I have seen on Anzacs for a long while

    The Crater ABC tonight is supposed to be good too … I’ll be watching it tomorrow on iView …

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2015 8:06 pm

    “the militia under the Defence Act of the day prohibited sending these troops overseas but

    You know that is something i have never understood. I need to talk to somebody who knows about these things.

    Apparently Australia did not have a standing Army until 1947. In WW1 and WW2 i guess people volunteered, got some training and then were sent off to battle.

    Our greatest General, Monash was a part time officer. He was an engineer and served in the Militia and only became full time when WW1 started.

    Our next greatest General Morshead was a school teacher and then was a manager of Orient Lines. He was in the militia also. Morshead also served in WW1. Between WW1 and WW2 he was a civilian. Morshead got his old job back when WW2 started.

    Before we got a standing Army in 1947 the vast bulk of our soldiers were in the Militia. I guess they went to work and got time off to get some military training.

    Beats me why we sent off the volunteers and the trained soldiers (Militia) were not allowed to leave Australia. New Guinea was considered part of Australia at that time.

    I am willing to be proved wrong but only volunteers left Australia while our trained soldiers (Militia) were not allowed to leave

  49. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 8:37 am

    Adam Smith

    When our passive feelings are almost always so sordid and so selfish, how comes it that our active principles should often be so generous and so noble?

    First Dog clearly highlights with examples of past behaviours from yabot that the title “a man of humanity” is not one that yabot will be burdened with

  50. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2015 8:37 am

  51. April 24, 2015 10:07 am

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 10:43 am

    Tell me, why would you bother putting yourself through it, especially if you are elderly and frail?

    Gallipoli 2015: Dawn service attendees to expect ‘uncomfortable’ conditions at security heavy event:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-24/gallipoli-dawn-service-will-be-uncomfortable/6417680

    …Over the past week, there have been periods of cold, wet and windy weather on the peninsula, and due to beefed-up security measures, people attending the dawn service will have to arrive early and spend several hours in the grandstands before the service begins.

    In previous years, the majority of visitors have been under 30 years old but this year a large number of attendees will be elderly.

    “I have been at pains to tell people that this is going to be uncomfortable, but I think most people understand,” he said.

    …”I think people are quite happy to pay what I would view as a small price sitting in stands for a few hours.”…

  53. April 24, 2015 10:58 am

    Tell me, why would you bother putting yourself through it, especially if you are elderly and frail?

    Ask yourself what has happened to our society where we need such security on Anzac day? I’m a pacifist, however I respect those who fought for this country so I have not had to. The way things are going, if anything went down on Anzac day, I could be a tipping point from which there is no return.

  54. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:10 am

    “The way things are going, if anything went down on Anzac day,………”

    Watch as the Indo’s flip their filthy middle finger up at us and announce the 72 hour notice periods for the 2 executions on our most commemorative of days.

  55. April 24, 2015 11:21 am

    “”Watch as the Indo’s flip their filthy middle finger up at us and announce the 72 hour notice periods for the 2 executions on our most commemorative of days.””

    I was just thinking that myself..

  56. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 11:22 am

    “Our greatest General, Monash was a part time officer”

    He should actually be considered as one of our greatest Australians.

    “I would name Sir John Monash as the best general on the western front in Europe”

    – Bernard Montgomery (Monty)

    However Charles Bean wrote of him

    “We do not want Australia represented by men mainly because of their ability, natural and inborn in Jews, to push themselves”,

    Monash was of German parents and Jewish

  57. April 24, 2015 12:11 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Alan Jones to perform live at Gallipoli commemoration event…! https://youtu.be/jX7QMz76JPA

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:29 pm

    “I would name Sir John Monash as the best general on the western front in Europe

    I was amazed to find out our Generals were part timers. I had always assumed we had an army but we did not get a standing army until 1947.

    Morshead who was our second greatest general served in WW1. After WW1 ended he went back into civilian life because there were no jobs for generals. I think he did school teaching and then became manager of Orient Lines- a shipping company. He only became a full time General again when WW2 broke out.

    Apparently most of our soldiers were in the militia before 1947. I guess they were allowed to take time off work. I think the militia is similar to what we now call the Army Reserve.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:31 pm

    …BREAKING NEWS: Alan Jones to perform live at Gallipoli commemoration event…! …

    That’s another reason to keep as far away from it as possible.

    Conscientious objectors deserve our recognition:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-23/noone-conscientious-objectors-deserve-our-recognition/6415166

    …Cecilia John and a banned anthem

    The Women’s Peace Army had a favourite song, which the government tried in vain to stop; namely “I didn’t raise my son to be a soldier”. Here are some lines from the proscribed song:

    I didn’t raise my son to be a soldier,
    I brought him up to be my pride and joy.
    Who dares to put a musket on his shoulder,
    To kill some other mother’s darling boy?

    The song and the women activists stressed that it was not fear of battle that made a conscientious objector to war but fear of killing other human beings. Holders of this opinion were mocked and persecuted.

    On one occasion in Brisbane, Cecilia John, a superb contralto, sang the banned anthem of the Women’s Peace Army to a meeting of 1000, and the police did not dare arrest her…

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2015 12:50 pm

  61. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 1:06 pm

    “Anti-Conscription Campaign Committee”

    I think they might have been a tad too late in forming. Conscription actually existed all through World War 1 and World War 2

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 2:36 pm

    Conscription actually existed all through World War 1 and World War 2

    I don’t think that is correct. WE fought two world wars with volunteers. We did have conscription during the Vietnam war but that split the country.

    As far as i know every soldier who left Australia in WW1 and WW2 chose to go.

  63. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 3:46 pm

    “I don’t think that is correct. ”

    Well sorry but it is.

    Civilians were conscripted to Military Service/Training in both Wars. The problem was they could only serve within Australia not Overseas. That’s why both Billy Hughes attempts failed.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 4:16 pm

    OK. So only volunteers could leave Australia which is the point i was trying to make.

    I did not know about people being conscripted to Military service.

    I still cannot work out why people in the Militia which i think it similar to what we now call the Army Reserve were not allowed to fight overseas. They did fight in New Guinea but that was part of Australia at the time.

    Surely the people in the militia had the training needed to fight overseas.

  65. Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2015 4:32 pm

    I’ll let you in on a little secret NoS………………but you must not tell anyone.

    I know someone who served in WW2 with “Sparrow Force” on Timor fighting the Japs.

    When they were finally evacuated via USS Gudgeon (a USA Sub) one of the personnel who held out his hand to this person I know who was getting out of a small boat was an Aussie Militiaman (on the sub for reasons still unknown but likely to have been an evacuated Coast Watcher.)

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………………………dont tell anybody. Apparently during Wars some rules get bent in this case a guy was conscripted then volunteered. In this case he was out of Australian waters even PNG serving in Dutch Indo waters in a US sub.

    Apparently some rules get bent in War

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 4:45 pm

    Oh, the irony …

    ANZAC Day footy pioneer Kevin Sheedy believes more Australians should do national service and that schoolchildren should be better educated on the deeds of our war heroes.

    As Australians and New Zealanders prepare to commemorate the centenary of the landing at Gallipoli in World War I, Essendon legend Sheedy has spoken of his passion for the day and respect for those serving their nation.

    Sheedy will be special guest at an inaugural Anzac Eve lunch tomorrow, a day before Essendon and Collingwood clash in the annual blockbuster he helped bring to life.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    New Guinea was considered part of Australia at that time.

    No it wasn’t … it was a Protectorate – ei administered by Australia … and its Papua New Guinea … the nationals insist upon it … New Guinea is in the North E … Papua South W …

    I am willing to be proved wrong but only volunteers left Australia while our trained soldiers (Militia) were not allowed to leave

    You did read my comments above?

    April 23, 2015 7:17 pm

    “”” The 39th Battalion and the 53rd Battalion were “militia” – part time soldiers and fought the Kokoda Trail … called “chokos” by the regular army … ’cause they would melt in battle … like chocolate … the militia under the Defence Act of the day prohibited sending these troops overseas but … “”””

    Even Wally “gets it” … Apparently some rules get bent in War … rules? Mmm

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 5:14 pm

    You did read my comments above?

    Yes i did. But Papua New Guinea was not considered overseas. I thought it was considered part of Australia. That is why the militia were allowed to fight in New Guinea (I think).

    But why was the militia not allowed to fight overseas? They were the ones with the military training. Apparently only volunteers were allowed to go overseas. I am guessing after volunteering they got some basic training and then shipped off.

  68. April 24, 2015 5:45 pm

    rp”””if anything went down on Anzac day, I could be a tipping point from which there is no return””””’

    #yeah l fully agree with that ricky, it would be used in a new-york911 type of excuse for various `war-stupidity` by the usual suspects.

  69. April 24, 2015 5:49 pm

    blubbers””””middle finger up at us and announce the 72 hour notice periods for the 2 executions on our most commemorative of days””””

    #probably correct blubbers #as predicted #wink wink

  70. April 24, 2015 6:03 pm

    crikey”””””It`s an all­-Australiana jamboree. Just issuing tickets for the Gallipoli event will cost more than half a million dollars, and an events management company in Melbourne is pocketing a cool $27 million for a multi­-year contract to keep everything well organised on the day. What started as a simple ceremony is now an enormous commercial enterprise. Cartoonist Michael Leunig has captured it best: ”They`ve put a big thumping hoon outboard motor on the back of a tragedy.”””””””””””’

    #lt`s good that we aren`t just a small pack of miserable pricks claiming `fatigue` on anzac. lt seems many others are noticing that `fatigue` has set in, driven by the `commercialisation` of anzac, of course. #teabags

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 6:19 pm

    Yes i did.

    The Defence Act forbade the deployment off -shore … look up what a Protectorate was …

    The 39th and 53rd were SENT to PNG because our regular troops were still in the Middle East … the 6th and 7th Divisions …

    Militia were not “allowed to fight overseas” because they were “part time soldiers” … and the law said they couldn’t … until they changed the rules!

    They were the ones with the military training. I think you are confusing WWI with WWII ..

    Maybe you should read this …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#World_War_II

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 6:50 pm

    From your WW2 link

    “Militia units distinguished themselves and suffered extremely high casualties during 1942, in New Guinea, which was then an Australian territory.”

    I think PNG was regarded as Australian territory.

    And i think i am correct. The Militia were the only ones with military training. We did not get a standing army until 1947. Before 1947 most soldiers were in the militia. I guess they were allowed to take time off work a bit like the Army Reserve today.

    I think the soldiers sent overseas were ordinary people (doctors, lawyers, teachers, train drivers etc) who volunteered, got some basic training and then off they went.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army#History

    The history of the Australian Army can be divided into two periods:

    1901–47, when limits were set on the size of the regular Army, the vast majority of peacetime soldiers were in reserve units of the Citizens Military Force (also known as the CMF or Militia), and Australian Imperial Forces were formed to serve overseas,[3][4] and

    Post-1947, when a standing peacetime regular infantry force was formed and the CMF (known as the Army Reserve after 1980) began to decline in importance.”

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 7:08 pm

    1901–47, when limits were set on the size of the regular Army

    I really do give up … its like talking to a robot .. ah!

    CMF (known as the Army Reserve after 1980)

    Also known as Weekend Warriors or Cut-lunch Cowboys …

    Kneel,

    We had/have

    Regular army …

    … or standing army of professional soldiers (who do you think trained the volunteers?)

    Volunteers

    … who were trained to be soldiers to fight particular wars ie the AIF and the 2nd AIF … (eg the 2/14th was formed in WWII) … see the “2” in front of the 14th – both light horse units …

    …one rode horses — the 14th Light Horse and the other — the 2/14th rode vehicles … Ferret Scout Cars, Saladins, Saracens and … when I was fixing the fkn things for them … they also operated M113 APC’s …

    National Servicemen… (about 290,000)

    3 months in the 1950’s and two years service (between 1965-1972) during the Vietnam War

    In the last NS you had a choice … serve two years nasho – five years CMF or go to jail …

    Reserve – people who attend “parades” on a regular basis and learn military skills …

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2015 7:26 pm

    … or standing army of professional soldiers (who do you think trained the volunteers?)

    Don’t know. Perhaps Militia leaders. We did have a small professional army before 1947 but most people were in the militia. Even our generals were part time.

    General Morshead was a WW1 General and WW2 General but what did he do between WW1 and WW2???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Morshead#Between_the_wars

    “Morshead returned to Australia in November 1919 and his AIF appointment was terminated in March 1920………..After working in odd jobs he joined the Orient Line in Sydney on 24 October 1924. He was appointed passenger manager of the Sydney office in 1926. Many Orient Line appointments followed. He became publicity manager in January 1927, acting manager of the Melbourne office in May 1928,………..All this time, he remained active in the part-time Militia, commanding the 19th Infantry Battalion from 1921 to 1925.[36] He became commander of the 36th Infantry Battalion on 1 August 1926.[37] He was promoted to colonel in 1933, and was appointed to command the 14th Infantry Brigade on 1 January 1933.

    Our second most famous General (Morshead) was a manager of Orient Lines between WW1 and WW2. He only became a full time General when WW2 started.

    Morshead led the Rats of Tobruk when the 9th division gave the German Army its first defeat in battle at Tobruk

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2015 7:34 pm

    Robot?

  76. April 24, 2015 11:06 pm

    darlek

  77. Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2015 12:52 am

    Danger approaching Will Robinson !

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2015 6:48 am

    Went to the Dawn service this morning. My first time ever. Lots of people. It was just a sea of heads. I could not see the service just listen to it.

  79. April 25, 2015 9:15 am

    Good for you, Neil.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2015 10:09 am

    I found it interesting that they opened the service with a Christian prayer and then we sang Abide With Me.

    Strange in pagan Australia to be singing a Christian hymn.

  81. April 25, 2015 11:15 am

    You might appear in the commemorative, celebratory, collectors edition, centenary dvd boxed-sets of anzac that every network will be peddling over the next several months.

    Ya`better buy em`all.

  82. April 25, 2015 11:23 am

    They will come with a set of free steak knives.

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 25, 2015 9:35 pm

    Bali 9 given 72 hours notice of execution.

    It’s a disgraceful decision.

    Is Anzac Day just a coincidence or is Indonesia giving Australia the finger?

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/countdown-to-death-bali-pair-given-final-notice-20150425-1mt4eo.html

  84. April 25, 2015 10:02 pm

    Finger Time. (and seems well earned) #lndo

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2015 2:18 pm

    I wonder how much the “coins for Australia” people have raised and repayed now.

  86. April 26, 2015 7:06 pm

    Prediction.

    Sometime this week mr-rabbit will lose his drug-donkey distraction, but mr-rabbits good-luck will hold. As he moved from `hot-battlefield` distraction to `drug-donkey` distraction, mr-rabbit will move from drug-donkey distraction to `earthquake` distraction.

    Teabag-media will fully assist mr-rabbit in his distraction transfer.

    +

    Meanwhile, not content to leave mr-rabbit and the zombies floundering, blib and bow-wow will open themselves and their team up to `un-ending` punishment, by claiming they want to fcuk about with super. They still won`t realize that mr-rabbit getting all the attention as he flounders in the political quicksand is good for them, so blib and friends will jump in the quicksand, just so they can get attention too, shh-blib.

    Teabag-media will fully assist blib in his disasters too.

    #media.balance

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2015 10:00 pm

  88. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:01 am

    It appears that not everyone was buying into the collective grief.

    https://storify.com/number86/geoff-lemon-on

    As I said here https://theguttertrash.com/2015/04/19/at-the-movies-it-follows-movie-review/#comment-102412

    I think that sbs were required to do something, but the summary sacking seems over the top, especially in light of this statement from sbs

    Respect for Australian audiences is paramount at SBS.

    Late on Anzac Day, sports presenter Scott McIntyre made highly inappropriate and disrespectful comments via his twitter account which have caused his on-air position at SBS to become untenable.

    Mr McIntyre’s actions have breached the SBS Code of Conduct and social media policy and as a result, SBS has taken decisive action to terminate Mr McIntyre’s position at SBS, with immediate effect.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/aboutus/news-media-releases/view/id/953/h/Statement-from-SBS-Managing-Director-Michael-Ebeid-and-Director-Sport-Ken-Shipp

    Really, when a group of rwdb’s who do nothing but criticise and berate public broadcasters, especially around diversity of views, start calling for the gallows when a guy actually voices a dissenting view and the broadcaster dutifully complies, somethings very wrong

    Respect for accuracy and relevance is what their motto should be, even if it upsets Australian audiences. As it now sits, they are simply playing to the crowd. And the crowd is dominated by hypocritical nutjobs.

  89. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:10 am

    A pantless bolt? Not a pretty picture lol

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:22 am

    Do we actually think our defence force is any different today?
    Haven’t we recently witnessed the inquiry into the sexual assaults and harassment/bullying of their own colleagues? No journalists are allowed to report on our soldiers at war, the ADF tightly controls all media, do we really think that our soldiers are pure in war?

    The ANZAC recipe: bullshit, oats, and golden syrup
    https://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/the-anzac-recipe-bullshit-oats-and-golden-syrup/

    …We have evidence of Australians murdering their Japanese prisoners, of Australians raping Japanese women, of ‘our’ side doing all of the things for which we revile the enemy.[29] But this is not acknowledged in our national narrative. This will not be mentioned in ANZAC Day speeches any time soon. We are as much in denial of our past as we claim modern Japan to be of theirs. For us as for them, the true information can be found by a determined researcher, but the available public version is scrubbed clean…

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:31 am

  92. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:31 am

    I’ll admit, I unaware of the murders and rapes of the Japanese by Australians, which really puts the tweets from the sbs (footy) journo in a different perspective.

    I was under the impression he was wrong about that. Seems I was wrong, and raises even more questions over his summary sacking, for what it turns out was telling the truth.

    And the nutbags still applaud that while complaining about bolt getting a hand slap for lying.

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:38 am

  94. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:42 am

    Misinformation keeps us from clarity.

    Hardly surprising then that the likes of bolt and chris kenny are at the forefront of the calls for Scott McIntyres head

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:53 am

    I don’t think that insensitive dill, who was after a bit of notoriety, should have been dismissed.

    There is a time and place for making rigorous points about dead people, and the day that their loved ones are remembering them, isn’t the time.

    I think people that make these comments on ANZAC Day are about as attention seeking as Alan Jones, and about as rational.

  96. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:01 am

    I think people that make these comments on ANZAC Day are about as attention seeking as Alan Jones, and about as rational.

    I feel dirty, but I AGREE (except for the rational bit)

    And, I think his tweet went a bit too far, seeming to link all ANZACs with the atrocities. Poorly written, and timed, but a summary sacking at the complaint of a few rabid right wingers?

    The bullying of our media is complete. And Tim Dunlops article was a timely reminder of how this occurred.

  97. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:02 am

    Meanwhile, speaking of poor taste.

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:05 am

    The tragedy of Gallipoli:
    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/04/25/the-tragedy-of-gallipoli/

    …Some facts

    * The ANZACs were only a small part of the forces on the Allied side. British, Irish and French troops also fought, suffering many more casualties. Overall, the campaign cost at least 100 000 lives, with the Allies and the Turks losing about equal numbers
    * The attack (which followed a failed naval assault) coincided with the beginning of the Armenian genocide in which the Ottoman government killed somewhere around 1,000,000 Armenian Christians.
    * Although the Gallipoli campaign failed, the war objective of dismembering the Ottoman empire was ultimately achieved in large measure, leading to the creation of Iraq, Syria and most of the other states collectively known today as the Middle East. The overlapping wars in which Australian soldiers are fighting today can be traced to this partition

    There is a natural human tendency to look for some good outcome from such horrific carnage. In the case of Gallipoli reflected in Australian and Turkish national foundation myths in which both the Anzacs and their Turkish opponents were fighting for their respective nations’ freedom. But the reality is that there was nothing good about the Great War, and that nothing came from it except the seeds of even more war and genocide.

    Finally, why was Australia at war with Turkey and what were the Anzacs doing in Gallipoli?…

    Anzac Day: Time for Australia to stop fighting other peoples’ wars:
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/anzac-day-time-for-australia-to-stop-fighting-other-peoples-wars-20150425-1msefn.html

    …It remained only for Whitlam to end conscription, which he did in Labor’s first week of office.

    Fifty years later and the anniversary of Australia’s entry into its first war without Britain, the “mother country”, is ignored, smothered by the jingoism of the circus the Gallipoli centenary has become. Two defeats, both conflicts in which Australian forces were no more than battle-field fodder manipulated by two “great and powerful friends”, one defeat deified as “glorious” and “nation-defining”, the other nobody wants to know…

    …Tony Abbott says this latest “training” program – cutely labelled the Australian Build Partner Capacity program – is to be a two-year project to be reviewed after 12 months. So how do Australian numbers get to be almost a thousand?…

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:13 am

    …And, I think his tweet went a bit too far, seeming to link all ANZACs with the atrocities. Poorly written, and timed, but a summary sacking at the complaint of a few rabid right wingers?…

    What about the latest meme “we need to have a national conversation about this” and this freedom of speech thing that is supposed to be so important to some people?
    Funny how the people wanting him sacked are the freedom warriors who defend all kinds of hate speech, vilification and racist views are frothing at the mouth about a relatively civilised ‘different’ viewpoint.

  100. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:20 am

    What about the latest meme “we need to have a national conversation about this”

    I have nothing wrong with having a conversation, but the way he went about it was “crude” to say the least letlonaaloneley “relatively civilised” AO. I think he has made it harder to have a convo now, although perhaps he has opened the floodgates. Perhaps it will prove to be a catalyst to highlight the fact that we, and our ancestors, are also human.

    I would have like to have seen him have the opportunity to defend himself though. The way sbs just cut him loose show more about them than it does about him. And the way the dingbats, who last week were arguing about the “right to offend” is just fucken ludicrous, as you highlight

    It is ok to offend, as long as you don’t offend them.

    Hypocritical fuckwits one and all

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:26 am

    “And the way the dingbats, who last week were arguing about the “right to offend” is just fucken ludicrous, as you highlight”

    I think you will find Bolt says the State should not prosecute offensive speech. That is he should not be taken to court.

    Now it is a different situation if a company wants to get rid of someone. And everybody should be free to say what they think about his comments.

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:33 am

    …Now it is a different situation if a company wants to get rid of someone. And everybody should be free to say what they think about his comments…

    Yes, the SBS, the multicultural station, sacks someone for sounding unaustralian!

  103. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:34 am

    I think you’ll find the convicted racist is quite happy with the “summary sacking” nIl, regardless of the accuracy or not.

    If journalists portray their own country as the worst terrorist nation — a land of white trash with an army of rapists and murderers — who can blame some young Muslims for feeling obliged to destroy it?

    Of all “hate speech” now, McIntyre’s is becoming the most dangerous. He had to go.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/reckless-sbs-host-deserves-no-tears/story-fni0ffxg-1227322028612

    He really is a vacuous fuckwit

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:35 am

    …I think you will find Bolt says the State should not prosecute offensive speech. That is he should not be taken to court…

    Isn’t the SBS state owned and funded?

  105. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:42 am

    if a company wants to get rid of someone

    Well, one would hope they are on fairly strong ground when getting rid of someone. There are protections for being sacked unfairly, Of course, the sbs “charter”, if it reads that way, seems to be able to sack someone for upsetting someone else.

    journalism by bullying. The right have thoroughly bullied our public broadcasters into total uselessness

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:43 am

    “I think you’ll find the convicted racist”

    And i think you will find that it what Bolt is trying to say. The State should not prosecute offensive speech.

    But Bolt would say he is free to be as offensive as he wants. But then everybody is also free to disagree with him.

    It is always dangerous when the State gets involved.

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:44 am

    … who can blame some young Muslims for feeling obliged to destroy it?

    Unusually, Bolt, actually makes a point …

  108. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 11:52 am

    The State should not prosecute offensive speech.

    While cheering on the state sacking someone for offensive speech.

    Look up the term “Hypocrit” nIl.

    Unusually, Bolt, actually makes a point …

    Probably not in the way he intended though TB 😉

    re my remarks on being sacked unfairly. I wonder if Scott McIntyre will take it further?

  109. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:06 pm

    Michael Koziol risks his future as a “journalist”

    It doesn’t pay to question the orthodoxy in this country, as Scott McIntyre, formerly of SBS, found out the hard way this weekend. His career was the latest victim of – as he termed it – the “cultification” of Anzac, which has likewise claimed our sense of historical perspective and freedom of speech.
    …………
    Which does make you wonder – why the protectionism over Anzac? After all, the Right’s stock response to “outrageous” speech is “more speech”. Why censor, in this case, rather than debate?

    Perhaps it is because, as Hitchens said, the heretic’s statements might contain a scary grain of historical truth, and might give people pause for thought as to how they know what they think they know about this chapter of Australia’s past. You don’t have to agree with McIntyre to defend him – indeed, all the better if you don’t.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/dont-rock-the-boat-on-the-anzac-tradition-20150426-1mtinw.html?stb=twt

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:08 pm

    …We have evidence of Australians murdering their Japanese prisoners, of Australians raping Japanese women,

    I’d like to see that evidence … I’m not aware of Australian troops engaged on Japanese territory?

    Probably not in the way he intended though TB

    I understand his “sentiments” but we are at war – again – like it or not … and I do believe we have sedition laws … wonder how far free speech actually goes?

    Ironic how people who inherited free speech abuse the ones who fought for it … I expect the real ANZACS would simply say “shut yer mealy mouth” and move on …

    I have no time for war as you know and particularly the politicians who play with real soldiers … but I have a great deal of respect for diggers …

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:15 pm

  112. April 27, 2015 12:27 pm

    Talcum talks…

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:38 pm

    So, out of one side of his mouth, malcolm says it is a ‘company management decision’ while out of the other side of his mouth he, as minister, is phoning the SBS MD, dobbing in the reporter and telling him how offensive and deserving of widespread condemnation the reporter’s tweets were. The minister demanded the scalp.

    Government interference.

  114. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 12:53 pm

    From turnbulls pontius moment

    a number of provisions of which were breached by him with his offensive tweets.

    Is anyone able to pinpoint the actual provision/s he breached, apart from upsetting some wingnuts?

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:03 pm

    I would imagine that SBS would have media and social media policies which would set out expectations about cultural sensitivity as well as requiring employees not to engage in commentary that does not reflect poorly on their employer.

    Arguably his comments repeatedly and wilfully breach those obligations.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:03 pm

    that reflects poorly

  117. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:07 pm

    Arguably his comments repeatedly and wilfully breach those obligations.

    Yes yomm, it is the “Arguably ” bit that concerns me. Which is why I would like to see the “specifically”

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:30 pm

    Desertion, VD, murder and rape: the flip side to the Digger myth:

    …According to the publisher’s blurb: ”These were the men who went absent and deserted, caught or concealed VD, got drunk and fought their comrades, who stole, malingered, behaved insolently towards officers or committed more serious offences, including rape and murder.”

    Dr Stanley says there was no official cover-up. ”All the records are sitting there in National Archives…

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:42 pm

    Fundamental right of dissent falls victim to braying mob:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/27/fundamental-right-of-dissent-falls-victim-to-braying-mob/

    …At the core of this question sits our fundamental democratic right to freedom of political thought and speech — and McIntyre’s tweets were nothing if not political…

    …But McIntyre’s @mcintinhos is not one of the official SBS Twitter accounts. Anyone who thinks that merely mentioning your job in your Twitter bio, as McIntyre does, makes you a mouthpiece for your employer would have to be remarkably dim…

    …Perhaps it’s time that employers were reminded that they’re hiring their employees to perform a certain set of duties, or achieve a certain set of goals, in the work environment, and that is all. Owning their every thought and word 24/7 comes at a higher price. In every sense of that phrase…

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 1:49 pm

    ANZAC Day is the day for honouring and respecting those who died in (pointless?) battles.

    Those that use it as an opportunity to push a counter theme (usually for self-aggrandisement, or to sell a book or to get a bit of notoriety) should be ignored, and if not ignored – condemned.

    ANZAC Day isn’t the day for the debate about the worst behaviour.

  121. April 27, 2015 1:58 pm

    “”ANZAC Day isn’t the day for the debate about the worst behaviour.””

    Surely the most appropriate day to make a protest about something is the day when others are “celebrating” it?

  122. April 27, 2015 1:59 pm

    Wow Abbott is about as popular as Nil
    all time low 12%
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6206-preferred-leaders-liberal-labor-april-2015-201504260519

  123. April 27, 2015 2:00 pm

  124. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:00 pm

    should be ignored, and if not ignored – condemned.

    ignored, condemned, listened to, whatever, but “summarily sacked” at the behest of “free speech” warriors. SBS, the bullied media (they seem to have gone further down the cowering track then the abc has). I’m still interested in these questions.

  125. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:02 pm

    And speaking of “Free Speech” lolz

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:12 pm

    Surely the most appropriate day to make a protest about something is the day when others are “celebrating” it?

    I’m not trying to ban people that wish to make a contrary point, but the media, and those who are employed in it, should err on the side of more restraint, rather than on the side of more self aggrandisement.

    Most of those that make the self promoting points could wait for few days, until people have stopped grieving over their lost sons, daughters, fathers, mothers…

  127. April 27, 2015 2:15 pm

    “”Most of those that make the self promoting points could wait for few days””

    …until all the publicity, pomp and ceremony dies down…?

  128. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:16 pm

    should err on the side of more restraint

    Tell it to the likes of bolt and kenny, who are happy to trounce anyone on any day, but will not stand for it on “their” day.

    Hypocritical snactimoniousness ™ fuckwits.

    And I hope more comes of a ministers involvement in dictating a public broadcasters internal policies.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:20 pm

    Yes, I suppose their self aggreanisement would be much less effective if they showed restraint for a day or 2.

  130. April 27, 2015 2:21 pm

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:21 pm

    …Most of those that make the self promoting points could wait for few days, until people have stopped grieving over their lost sons, daughters, fathers, mothers…

    I don’t think that families grieve on that one day only.

    It’s a day for governments and military to glorify the ‘ultimate sacrifice’ so that they may continue to ask for and send other people’s sons and daughters off to war whenever it suits.

  132. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:26 pm

    I suppose their self aggreanisement would be much less effective if they showed restraint for a day or 2.

    Similar restraint might be applied to a “summary” decision prompted by a federal minister, without any oversight

  133. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:28 pm

    Well, to be honest reb, I think Woolies suffered a fair bit of backlash. Not sure if anyone was summarily sacked though?

  134. April 27, 2015 2:29 pm

    Maybe the world would be a better place if people didn’t protest at all and just fell into line with whatever jingoistic call to patriotism was being shoved down our throats on any given day..

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 2:39 pm

    What used to be a sombre ANZAC day commemoration has become a political, jingoistic nationalism/patriotism celebration and gee up by conservatives, ANZAC day has been hijacked by them for their ongoing culture wars.

  136. April 27, 2015 2:40 pm

    In fact, maybe Australia should just pipe down a bit and wait until after the Bali Nine duo are executed before protesting. Now is not the time to be making a fuss for the sake of some sort of self aggreanisement.

  137. April 27, 2015 2:43 pm

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 3:00 pm

    I see lefties are happy to see Bolt prosecuted for what he said by a court. But are unhappy about what happened to the guy who made the offensive tweets.

    I wonder what you lot would say if the guy was taken to court and prosecuted for what he said like Bolt was?

  139. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 3:07 pm

    I wonder what you lot would say if the guy was taken to court and prosecuted for what he said like Bolt was?

    That at least he had his day in court.

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 3:22 pm

    Bolt is not allowed to speak.

    This guy can now speak all he wants.

    If News does not like what Bolt says let News Limited deal with it. Most employers have guidelines which they expect their employees to follow.

    Fact is lefties are natural totalitarians. You just loved it when Bolt was silenced by the court. And you lot cheered.

  141. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 3:28 pm

    First Dog get in on it

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/27/un-australian-crimes-against-patriotism-feat-the-anzacs

    Bolt is not allowed to speak.

    Gunna need a link for that, because the judge very specifically said that he can continue to comment on the matter, he just isn’t allowed to spread the lies he had just been done for.

    So please, back up your inane claim with some facts nIl

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 3:50 pm

    Maybe I’m wrong. That’s a first.

    I suppose we should encourage self promoting attention seekers to speak offensively as often as possible, and particularly on the days when they’re most likely to cause offense.

    I may have been practicing that for quite a while.

  143. April 27, 2015 3:51 pm

    “”I suppose we should encourage self promoting attention seekers to speak offensively as often as possible, and particularly on the days when they’re most likely to cause offense.””

    Well you’re generally always here.

    😉

  144. April 27, 2015 3:53 pm

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 4:07 pm

    …I suppose we should encourage self promoting attention seekers to speak offensively as often as possible and particularly on the days when they’re most likely to cause offense…

    I thought we already do, has anyone stopped abbott ?

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 4:16 pm

    12 Times Conservative Commentators Were More Outrageous Than Scott McIntyre And Kept Their Jobs:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/04/27/12-times-conservative-commentators-were-more-outrageous-scott-mcintyre-and-kept-their

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 4:31 pm

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 4:38 pm

    Yeah and here are some people who lost their jobs for telling the truth (from Bolt)

    – The sacking of Glenn Milne as a panelist on the ABC’s Insiders for his column on Julia Gillard’s involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal.

    – The sacking of Piers Akerman as a panelist on the ABC’s Insiders for noting (correctly) that some Canberra journalists had debated the sexuality of Julia Gillard’s boyfriend (despite Akerman making clear that scuttlebutt was false and offensive).

    – The sacking of Howard Sattler as 6PR host for asking Julia Gillard if her boyfriend was gay (a sacking I supported, by the way).

    – The dumping of Michael Smith as 2UE host for asking Julia Gillard “unauthorised questions” about her involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal.

    – The forcing out of Barry Spurr as professor of poetry at Sydney University for using terms such as “Mussies”, “Abos” and “Chinky poos” in private emails he said were jokes.

    – The banning by the Federal Court of two of my columns arguing that we should identify more as individuals rather than as members of a “race”, especially when we have ancestors of multiple “races”.

  149. April 27, 2015 4:40 pm

    Well.. I have no problem against the guy having an opposing view no matter how offensive it is. What I do have a big problem with is him using his position at SBS through an SBS sanctioned twitter account to make it. How far would you people go tweeting this Shiite from your company account? If it was one of my employees at the news bureau I would sac them on the spot… Try that shit at the ABC see how long you last..
    Lets face it the guy is a fucking moron.

    Nil you fucking brainless fucktard..
    The tweets bear no resemblance whatsoever to Bolts crime, which was a baseless personal sensationalist attack on the reputation of people, intellectually superior to him riddled with lies..
    So fuck off with you totalitarian bullshit , you imbecilic Abbott voting sperm spittoon… You will love it when Tania Plibesek is PM I cant wait 🙂

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 4:54 pm

    Scott McIntyre’s sacking highlights our confusion about social media:
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/the-monthly-today/sean-kelly/2015/27/2015/1430115260/twitterversy#round-up

    …We’ll never know whether this particular scandal would, in ordinary circumstances, have lasted beyond the cyber rage life cycle of a few hours, because Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull chose to make his presence felt at 9pm, tweeting in reply to McIntyre “Difficult to think of more offensive or inappropriate comments … Despicable remarks which deserve to be condemned.”

    Turnbull may well have felt strongly about the tweets, but it was still an enormous call to involve himself directly in such a matter. It’s hard for an employee to come back from that.

    One might have hoped for better from McIntyre. But one might have hoped for more, too, from Turnbull, a man with a history of fighting for people’s right to say controversial things, and a minister with more important things to do than individually chastise sports reporters for saying controversial things about history…

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2015 5:07 pm

    On Scott McIntyre: the greatest insult is to whitewash the fallen:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/27/on-scott-mcintyre-the-greatest-insult-is-to-whitewash-the-fallen

    …It was bizarre watching the Scott McIntyre situation unfold. As an SBS football reporter, the man hardly inhabits the pinnacle of public consciousness…

    …Here was a barrel with a dugong jammed in the top: Malcolm Turnbull and all manner of media populists only had to tweet something about a disgrace, include McIntyre’s Twitter handle, then sit back and watch their followers go to work…

  152. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 5:41 pm

    Yeah and here are some people who lost their jobs for telling the truth

    milne got sacked for printing a lie.

    akerman for propagating a smear

    sattler for starting the smear

    smith for making shit up to continue a smear

    spurr for being a racist fuckwit

    bolt got legally labelled a racist by a court of law because he is and always was a racist.

    Have you got your evidence to back up your previous statement about bolt not being able to comment? Considering you reckon your list of cry baby cries comes from …. bolt, should be interesting.

  153. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 5:45 pm

    From the Guardian article AO

    But those responding to him were not about challenging his views, they were attacking him for stating them.

    Yea, the one thing we learned/was reminded of here, was how hypocritical these numbnuts are. Not least of all malcom turnball and his previous defense of a free and open media.

  154. April 27, 2015 5:47 pm

    “I’d like to see that evidence … I’m not aware of Australian troops engaged on Japanese territory?”

    So would I. I note there was a book footnoted in KL’s linked article, War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War, by a John W. Dower. According to the reviews I found online, Dower is an American academic, and the thesis of his book is that the allies’ war with Japan was a race war. Hopefully he’s got some pretty strong documentary evidence for his claims about diggers, because the idea behind his book is patently false.

  155. Walrus permalink
    April 27, 2015 5:51 pm

    “”the man hardly inhabits the pinnacle of public consciousness…””

    Yeah he only has 30,000 followers………………….hardly a significant private individual at all………………..oh that’s right he deliberately used his SBS branded account to gather followers and to then issue his offensive comments.

    Free Speech has consequences and he has exercised it and his comments remain on Twitter even now.

    So his Right to Free Speech has not ben interfered with at all.

    And it would be good if he could enlighten us all as to how Australia could have prevented the USA dropping its bombs on Japan ?

  156. Walrus permalink
    April 27, 2015 6:06 pm

    “”… I’m not aware of Australian troops engaged on Japanese territory?”

    The only ones “ëngaged” on Japanses territory were slave labourers from Asia

    Post War we had the British Commonwealth Occupation Force

    https://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/bcof/

  157. Walrus permalink
    April 27, 2015 6:18 pm

    Correction :”” …………….were captured Australian slave labourers from Asia”

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 7:17 pm

    Government interference.

    Talcum has always been two faced … remember the Republic Referendum … ?

    Forked tongue …

    Dr Stanley says there was no official cover-up. ”All the records are sitting there in National Archives…

    You seem to think that ADF personnel are not human beings like the rest of us, KL, until you’ve walked the walk rather than talked the talk?????

    Surely the most appropriate day to make a protest about something is the day when others are “celebrating” it?

    “Celebrating”? Death? Dying? Fear that never leaves you? Injuries that are permanent? Families who suffer the consequences? For a politician’s whim!

    FMD! Blame the troops! And some of us had no choice!

    Stop the wars – don’t blame the diggers!

    If you read this thread the sacking of a “reporter” who has extremely poor timing, taste and intelligence is far more important than the poor sods that died for his right to say the stupid things he did …

    What has this country become!

    Imagine Australia WITHOUT a professional standing army, airforce and navy!

    Maybe the world would be a better place if people didn’t protest at all and just fell into line with whatever jingoistic call to patriotism was being shoved down our throats on any given day..

    Glad I had a choice* … two years in the army or two years in jail … wife and kid and being paid sort of influenced that … and as you may know by now, I hate to be controlled, hope you never have to decide … think we are now up to roughly a thousand in the ME! Don’t get too cocky with the mob now in charges … Direct Action and the Green Army could be a sinister secret!

    Tell it to the likes of bolt and kenny, who are happy to trounce anyone on any day, but will not stand for it on “their” day.

    You’re quoting Bolt and Kenny to justify it?

    What used to be a sombre ANZAC day commemoration has become a political, jingoistic nationalism/patriotism celebration and gee up by conservatives, ANZAC day has been hijacked by them for their ongoing culture wars.

    Yea! I thought I’d lost yer, KL!

    sreb, that cartoon is really , really true! More than most understand .. we have a new wave from Afghanistan … from what I heard a couple of days ago its really is bad …

    ToSY and Wally … have I switched sides or you? Anyway – thanks for your support … 🙂

    And I love youse all …

    Just read above … what a wonderful country we all live in … even with the occasional twit … but we all put up with ToM … 😉

    Just jokin’ TM .. 🙂

  159. April 27, 2015 8:24 pm

    Mr-Talkbull couldn`t allow unruly tweets go un-answered when they could inter-fear with commemorative, celebratory, anzac flavored memorabilia and merchandise sales. #2319

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:38 pm

    Thought so … how many nom de plumes do you have, 7:30?

  161. April 27, 2015 8:39 pm

    That’s very interesting BoP.

    Say, You’re not by any chance related to #bagz of #teabagz #bag of this and #bagz of that, by any chance? Not meaning to pry or anything but the vernacular seems strangely familiar…

  162. April 27, 2015 8:45 pm

    OT, but can anyone recommend a decent restaurant for dinner in Adelaide this Wednesday night? Due to unfortunate circumstances I will find myself in Adelaide for work reasons (why else), and wouldn’t mind some tips.

    I’ve looked on urbanspoon, and judging by the reviews I’ve read, staying in my hotel room and simply wrapping my head in a plastic bag until I lose consciousness seems to be the best option so far.

  163. April 27, 2015 8:45 pm

    MEAA””””””””believes that employers must recognise that their employees are entitled to a private life, with their own beliefs and opinions; opinions that should be able to be expressed without heavy-handed retribution by the employer. Striking a balance between engaging in debate and freedom of expression requires social media policies to be nuanced. What MEAA is finding is that social media policies of employers are inflexible and deny staff the right to have and express a personal opinion.”””””””””

    #lt seems the meaa is making a decent argument that businesses should have an `official` account that the business operates (if they choose to be on `social`media) while all `individual` accounts should be considered individual/personal. Just because somebody works at (my-abc, sbs, afl, nrl) should not mean employment `contract` should be able to remove an individuals `personal-liberties`, except in the most extreme of jobs, prison-guard, police, spooks, adf, where there is `specific` reasons.

    #mr-talkbull has just shown he really is a teabag too lefties

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:46 pm

    “milne got sacked for printing a lie.

    akerman for propagating a smear

    sattler for starting the smear

    smith for making shit up to continue a smear

    spurr for being a racist fuckwit

    So you obviously do not believe in freedom of speech.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:48 pm

    Could someone explain to me what a “small majority” means in psychology, please?

    Whether their stories have triggered our anger and punitive desires, as they have for the small majority of Australians who believe they should be executed, or touched our compassion and our sense of horror, the fact is we care about them.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/bali-nine-duo-andrew-chan-and-myuran-sukumaran-hold-a-truth-were-compelled-to-connect-to/story-fnh81fz8-1227323693557

  166. April 27, 2015 8:55 pm

    l recently watch `monsters-inc`, and enjoyed how being frightened of small things and teabag-panic was depicted as 2319, and reminded me somewhat of Boo-of-Melbourne.

    (l put my url in so `hover` if in doubt:-)

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2015 8:59 pm

    OT, but can anyone recommend a decent restaurant for dinner in Adelaide this Wednesday night?

    The pie cart is (was?) good outside the Casino … 🙂

    Seriously – opposite the Casino is an Italian restaurant that was very good when I was there in 1992 (yeah – I know) for my graduation – it was family owned so may still be operated by them …

    Actually the pie floaters are really good!

  168. April 27, 2015 9:03 pm

    “”opposite the Casino is an Italian restaurant that was very good when I was there in 1992″”

    Gee, thanks for the tip TB, I’ll be sure and look that one up….. 🙄

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:50 pm

    “but can anyone recommend a decent restaurant for dinner in Adelaide this Wednesday night? Due to unfortunate circumstances I will find myself in Adelaide for work reasons (why else), and wouldn’t mind some tips.”

    My best advice for a meal in these circumstances is that you get a 5.30 flight out, arrive Melbourne at about 7.15 and get a taxi to Brunswick St.

  170. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 9:53 pm

    simply wrapping my head in a plastic bag until I lose consciousness

    So, you’ll be at the footy then?

    Honestly, I don’t eat out much, but I could recommend Goodlife Organic Pizza on Hutt Street for a quality pizza (imo, and if it is still there), or for a more refined outing you could try Tiffins on the Park, but a bit pricey and refined for my preferences 😉

    So you obviously do not believe in freedom of speech.

    You obviously interpret it in the same way freedom boy does, by his own perceptions.

  171. April 27, 2015 9:59 pm

    “”I don’t eat out much, but I could recommend Goodlife Organic Pizza on Hutt Street for a quality pizza “”

    Gee, thanks Tom.

    On the off chance that I don’t feel up to an “organic pizza” would you happen to know of any dealers where I might be able to secure enough ketamine to euthanase a small horse?

  172. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:11 pm

    Probably the same establishment reb 😉

  173. April 27, 2015 10:12 pm

    Gee, Adelaide sounds like an exciting place. Pie floaters, organic pizzas, and 1992 Italian restaurants. It’s a shame I’m not planning a trip there, ever.

  174. Tom R permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:14 pm

    We miss ya already tosy
    luckily we have Coopers with which to cope

  175. April 27, 2015 10:16 pm

    I’ve been looking in urban spoon for recommendations and so far their advice is to just “kill youself” too.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2015 10:17 pm

    I had dinner here – http://rigonis.com.au/ about a year ago. It was ok for Adelaide.

  177. April 27, 2015 10:23 pm

    “luckily we have Coopers with which to cope”

    Fair enough, I’ll give you points for that.

  178. April 27, 2015 10:28 pm

    r”””””find myself in Adelaide for work reasons”””””’

    So, ya`finally heading to canoe-town to deal with the team-cheerer huh #sort.him.out

  179. April 27, 2015 10:33 pm

    This guy has spent the last 126 years trying to come up with a reason to visit Adelaide.

  180. April 27, 2015 10:36 pm

    r””””looking in urban spoon for recommendations””””

    #yeah, l googled `adelaide restaurant`, the results were a flood of `urbanspoon` and similar `review` sites, which bury any actual `restaurants` sites, especially if you want to see their menu or other details. Fcuk the `review` sites, l agree with yomm, get the early flight.

  181. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 8:31 am

    Some pearler’s from #freedomboy(when it suits)

    I’m not a big fan of confected outrage culture

    ……….

    And the idea that we can kind of have a society where people are free to express their opinion, but not have a degree of accountability for their conduct

    ……….

    Does the use of “water canons” constitute a “confected outrage culture” ❓ 😯

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4224900.htm

    And Greg Barns pwned him perfectly here, it’s just that #freedomboy(when it suits) was so busy tying his disparate threads back into his rightwing worldview he really missed it.

    GREG BARNS: Let’s focus on Malcolm Turnbull. I think there’s no doubt that SBS jumped because the minister said, “Jump”. I mean, what Tim was saying about consequences is well and good and right. He didn’t say the same thing about Andrew Bolt. He was one of those who condemned Justice Mordy Bromberg in his decision on 18C and Andrew Bolt’s comments about certain people’s Aboriginality, but I’m glad to see that he’s now come round to the Bromberg view.

    TIM WILSON: But that’s complete and utter rubbish. The difference between a voluntarily-entered-into contract as a condition of employment is entirely different from a law, which if you do not adhere to the consequences of its interpretation can send you to jail.

    😯

    While I feel for Scott McIntyre, I’m not completely against the action that SBS took, but I DO question the process. Interesting that wilson is claiming that Scott was offered to take the tweets down and was only sacked after refusing to. That does change things, if it is true. Interesting that SBS didn’t mention that in their statement on Sunday? Is it ass-covering, or just ineptidude? But to claim that a contract is somehow more binding or relevant than a LAW!!??

    And this our human FarRight commissioner ROFL (sob)

  182. April 28, 2015 8:40 am

  183. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 9:00 am

    Probably because the ones who hired him are even more offensive reb 😉

    btw, If you want real food reb, try Villi’s Cafe’s, or for the ultimate, a Steak Sandwich from the Caravan (well, it was) at the Cavan Hotel. None of this antsypantsy MKR “fine dining” shit. Or, as TB said, if they are too far off the beaten track for ya, get a pie floater down ya. Nothing like trying to spoon down pea soup ‘n’ pie while drunks and lost gamblers are rubbin’ up against ya

  184. April 28, 2015 9:09 am

    More right-wing nonsense from Tim Wilson:

    “Since then there has been a huge debate about whether his sacking is an attack on free speech. Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think it is. Free speech allows you to say what you like and not be jailed. It does not give you protection from trashing your own career.”

    Wait, my mistake. It’s not Tim Wilson after all. It’s Paul Barry.

  185. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 9:22 am

    It’s not Tim Wilson after all.

    You had me worried for a minute there, it almost made sense.

    But, does Anybody really agree with this statement?

    Free speech allows you to say what you like and not be jailed.

    I mean, REALLY agree with it?

    Because, if they do, where was their OUTRAGE over the recent TEWWA threat of teenagers making threats about police?

    I recall a time when that used to be a police matter, not a NATIONAL THREAT!

  186. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 9:36 am

    We really have entered peak stupid

    The broader issue is not free speech but how an increasingly hysterical culture led by social media is resulting in people losing their jobs. McIntyre is not alone. Had he tweeted content interpreted as homophobic, racist or sexist, some would be calling on SBS to sack him, not tweeting “free speech”.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/sbs-within-its-rights-to-sack-anzac-day-tweeter-scott-mcintyre/story-e6frg6zo-1227323655253

    Is he referring to the “hysterical culture” that lobbied sbs through twitter for the guys head? Is he saying that it is fine to be “homophobic, racist or sexist” and, if we are, that people shouldn’t be calling for a sacking?

    Oh freedomboy, you’re starting to look double’ jointed these days with the twisting and turning.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 9:42 am

    Or, as TB said, if they are too far off the beaten track for ya, get a pie floater down ya.

    TR, if people ask for suggestions and then just provide sarcastic remarks then there’s just no helping selfish, up their own arses, WCPs … I’ve been on to the Qld Visa Police and they are aware of who we are referring to … they simply said … “We are aware of ladyboi Mexicans and we are reviewing certain visa requirements, thank you for your help, citizen!”

    I bet the SA Visa cops are well aware of a certain alien visitor about to lob into the KNU state … :mrgreen:

    Watched most of Q&A last night (not my fave show) but was amused at the “circle” of discussion … wars are bad we shouldn’t be involved, diggers are bad we shouldn’t respect them so much, etc etc … then near the end of the show a Coptic priest pops up with a vid question … “Coptic Christians are being killed in Syria” … so now Australia should be more involved and we should be doing this and doing that – with diggers?

    People are generally amusing but everyone once in a while stupid hypocrisy really laughs its head off!

    And BTW, we do not “celebrate” on Anzac Day … we “commemorate and remember” … and then those of us lucky enough NOT to be dead – reminisce and meet others who have served … some we may not have seen for decades (I didn’t even recognise my old sergeant!)

  188. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 9:47 am

    we do not “celebrate” on Anzac Day … we “commemorate and remember

    I heard it put quite succinctly recently

    “Lest we Forget” has been replaced with “Anzac Anzac Anzac, Oi Oi Oi!”

    😦

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 10:21 am

    “Lest we Forget” has been replaced with “Anzac Anzac Anzac, Oi Oi Oi!”

    One of the things I have always feared is that we become crass like the Yanks … seems I was right …

  190. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 10:36 am

    To brighten your day TB, since you are so far from the floating pies 😉

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 11:11 am

    I quite liked elizabeth broderick.
    I wonder who will replace her, judging by abbott’s other appointments to public office can we assume it will be mark mcinnes?

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 11:44 am

    I thought this ex serviceman was excellent on qanda last night.

  193. April 28, 2015 12:19 pm

    “”TR, if people ask for suggestions and then just provide sarcastic remarks then there’s just no helping selfish, up their own arses, WCPs “”

    Look, maybe your pie and pea floater idea may have been well received “if” I was some pissed bogan visiting from QLD, but the reality is I’m visiting Adelaide on business and as such the company will be paying for dinner so you’ll forgive me for being less than receptive to the idea of consuming “something” that’s typically only considered edible for human consumption at 4:00am in the morning after a night out on the turps.

    **I prefer to thrive making sarcastic remarks, than survive making glib one liners and bland observations**

  194. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 12:58 pm

    **I prefer to thrive making sarcastic remarks, than survive making glib one liners and bland observations**

    I AGREE!

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 1:26 pm

    **I prefer to thrive making sarcastic remarks, than survive making glib one liners and bland observations**

    I AGREE!

    Wot you sayin’ Willis!

    (Actually I’ve only been to Adelaide once – for my graduation – didn’t go into the casino, gambling does nothing for me … we stayed in a hotel that happened to be across the road from the casino … lot of Mexicans coming and going – you could tell from there accents … )

    😉

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 1:26 pm

    “their” – before ToSY and ToM turn up …

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 2:36 pm

    Sacked for speaking your mind? Don’t expect the free speech brigade to help:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/sacked-for-speaking-your-mind-dont-expect-the-free-speech-brigade-to-help?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …The model of free speech parroted by Wilson and his ilk is nothing more or less than the rule of property: they just want us to be more easily managed. We should reject it, and assert and extend our right – held in common with Scott McIntyre — to speak our minds as citizens on public matters, regardless of what our boss thinks. Any freedom less encompassing than that is not worth its name…

  198. April 28, 2015 3:36 pm

    “”to speak our minds as citizens on public matters, regardless of what our boss thinks. Any freedom less encompassing than that is not worth its name…””

    Hear Hear!

    Although I can appreciate that sometimes this can be a little uncomfortable…

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 3:37 pm

    … and assert and extend our right – held in common with Scott McIntyre — to speak our minds as citizens on public matters, regardless of what our boss thinks.

    That would be fine … if McIntyre wasn’t insulting all defence and ex-defence personnel and being extremely loose with the truth … why wasn’t his rant about the politicians? Or the German’s, Italian’s and Japanese atrocities … and I could just imagine Australia saying to the USA … please don’t drop a bomb on Japan … oh, OK they’d say … 🙄

    Before anyone rants on “anti-social media”- to the world – at least get yer facts right …

    McIntyre is obviously uneducated with a limited intelligence to say what he said (mostly incorrect) on ANZAC Day …

    … and to associate SBS is utterly stupid … if he’d written that many gay men are paedophiles on the night of the Gay Mardi Gra I wonder what SBS would do … and his supporters say?

    Free speech is fine – this is mine – if the prick had worked for me (highly unlikely he would have been hired) – I would have terminated his employment in a flash … he breached his employment contract and I haven’t seen it … it will contain words to the effect of “not brining the organisation into disrepute” …

    The same “supporters” are quick to jump in if defence personnel say the wrong thing … and Defence deals with it the same way as SBS! No one complained about that?

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 4:42 pm

    The cultification of an imperialist invasion of a foreign nation that Australia had no quarrel with is against all ideals of modern society.

    Just re-read the tweets … is “cultification” even a word?

  201. Walrus permalink
    April 28, 2015 4:55 pm

    “…….to speak our minds as citizens on public matters, regardless of what our boss thinks. Any freedom less encompassing than that is not worth its name…”

    Absolute CRAP !

    He had the followers because he was an SBS commentator. He has used the power of the SBS branding to publicise his obnoxious views.

    Therefore whoever is the custodian of SBS branding (i.e. the CEO) has done what he could to protect it and fired him.

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 5:24 pm

    …That would be fine … if McIntyre wasn’t insulting all defence and ex-defence personnel and being extremely loose with the truth … why wasn’t his rant about the politicians? Or the German’s, Italian’s and Japanese atrocities … and I could just imagine Australia saying to the USA … please don’t drop a bomb on Japan … oh, OK they’d say … 🙄

    He’s only allowed 140 characters to tweet his messages!

    Anyone is free to reply to his rant and put him straight about the politicians and also the atrocities. That is what should happen, point out where he is wrong in fact and educate him.
    I very much disagree with an employer having the right to fire someone for giving their personal opinion on anything, he has a right to it, george brandis says so too!
    An employer’s total ownership of the person 24/7 is not a labour contract, it’s slavery. Besides, he didn’t insult all defence personnel.

    …He had the followers because he was an SBS commentator. He has used the power of the SBS branding to publicise his obnoxious views…

    Lots of people have obnoxious views, many of them are in our parliament, why is this one different to others? I don’t buy into ANZAC as sacred and untouchable from criticism.

    SBS being so popular and mainstream. Goodness, andrew bolt must have the most forgiving boss in the world, he was convicted of racism, yet he gets his own bigotry and attacks on people expanded into as many outlets as possible.

  203. April 28, 2015 5:35 pm

    teebz”””not brinGing the organisation into disrepute”””

    #yeah, but that was my point, it`s a bit of a `vague` catch-all that employer-orgs can use at their whim, look at all the afl and nrl players `silenced` over `rulings`etc from public discussion which everybody else is free to discuss, and it`s about them.

    blubbers”””He has used the power of the SBS branding to publicise”””

    #is his twit-account `sbs`branded.?

    #did sbs-boardroom require he sbs`brand` his twit-account.?

    #This still seems another good example that folks should use `nicks/handles` and not use their `social`accounts for biz-purposes.

  204. April 28, 2015 5:41 pm

    When it comes to the `branding` aspect and number of `followers`, this applies to mr-talkbull too. My bet, if `our` TB-Qld took offence, and the same actions as mr-talkbull, `sbs` would have told our TB to fcuk-off (in a politically correct manner).

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 5:47 pm

    … george brandis says so too!

    Brandis? Bottom of the barrel?

    Besides, he didn’t insult all defence personnel.

    This does …

    Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan

    I don’t buy into ANZAC as sacred and untouchable from criticism.

    Neither do I … but I do from a snotty nosed little twit taking advantage because of his job …

    … andrew bolt

    Bolt? There’s a hole in the barrel!

    Anyone is free to reply to his rant and put him straight about the politicians and also the atrocities. That is what should happen, point out where he is wrong in fact and educate him.

    Yep, yep, yep – why – he should do his own research – obviously not difficult in 2015? Most of us here make sure we know what we are talking about before tapping the keys … and we don’t have careers to kill … in the public eye …

    He was fired because he breached his employment contract. He insulted thousands of taxpayers … we pay for him to commentate on soccer (WTF is he anyway) not on historical events he obviously has no clue about … he confuses WWI and WWII … and just who are the poorly-read, largely white, nationalist drinkers and gamblers … ?

  206. April 28, 2015 5:56 pm

    teebz”””’we pay for him to commentate on soccer (WTF is he anyway) not on historical events he obviously has no clue about”””””’

    #maybe so teebz, but my bet is he is `also` a taxpayer, and there is a hell of a chunk of `taxpayer`cash devoted to this anzac flavored memorabilia event. By your logic, we don`t have a right as taxpayers, to bitch about dog-club tax-free preferences, coz we are not `members` of a dog-club.

  207. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:00 pm

    Besides, he didn’t insult all defence personnel.

    I certainly took it as a fairly blanket statement when I read it initially, and it still reads that way to me.

    I haven’t had any confirmation that he was asked to take the tweets down, but I’ll go on that hypothesis, which means sbs did the right thing imo.

    But, this other fucken tool made me laugh at first, but then I remember the hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars he is receiving each year to so badly get his job wrong. I’m just pissed off now! I mean, he should be sacked too for this level of stoopid. Can I get a minister to apply pressure to his boss?

  208. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:03 pm

    we pay for him to commentate on soccer (WTF is he anyway) not on historical events he obviously has no clue about

    To be fair TB, it was his private Twitter account, that mentioned where he worked. He should have had a disclaimer though, apparently SBS advise that apparently.

  209. April 28, 2015 6:13 pm

    tr””’it was his private Twitter account, that mentioned where he worked””’

    #l think that is the wrong `metric` team-cheerer. As an example l will use `breakfast` on my abc. When you watch `breakfast` both trioli`s and `micheals` twit-accounts are `promoted` on-screen, in text, by my abc. l don`t think these should be classed as `personal`, but are `corporate`. They can`t have it both-ways, and the best of both-worlds. They should `declare` the corporate `social`accounts, undeclared are `personal` and not promoted via the `corporate` platform.

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:15 pm

    How far should the corporatism of democracy and our society be allowed to go? Tim ‘freedom’ wilson is the embodiment of corporate power over people. He believes that corporate rights are more important than human rights [libertarians don’t do equality and human rights].

    This case shows why freedom wilson’s HRC job, was and is, a complete conflict of interest and a total mockery of human rights.

    Tim Wilson should speak up for Scott McIntyres:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-27/barns-tim-wilson-should-speak-up-for-scott-mcintyres/6425154

    …Bruce Barry, a professor of sociology at Vanderbilt University in the United States, has observed:

    Every time someone gets fired for blogging, or bumper stickers, or letters to the editor, I worry about its chilling effect, the message it sends that your speech can get you in trouble even when it’s relatively harmless. Professor Barry is right. And Tim Wilson ought to understand that if his role as a champion of freedom of speech is to be meaningful, he must champion the Scott McIntyres of the world….

  211. April 28, 2015 6:18 pm

    Tim Wilson is a walking contradiction of a man.

    A homosexual who is also a fervent member of Hillsong, the religious cult that preaches that homosexuals can be cured of their affliction. A Human Rights Commissioner who seeks to defend those who perpetrate human rights abuses. Employed by a govt that supports discrimination against homosexuals and discredits the Human Rights Commission.

    One could be forgiven for thinking that he’s a simpleton with few principles and is easily coerced and manipulated. Religion and a $390,000 per annum salary can do that to people.

    Others might just think he’s a smug c**t.

  212. April 28, 2015 6:20 pm

    [libertarians don’t do equality and human rights].

    So true.

    The religious right/conservatives are seldom satisfied without someone to hate.

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:21 pm

    I haven’t had any confirmation that he was asked to take the tweets down,

    That is what i heard on the radio. SBS asked him to remove the tweets which he refused to do. That is why he was fired. If he removed them he would have still had his job.

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:38 pm

    …One could be forgiven for thinking that he’s a simpleton with few principles and is easily coerced and manipulated. Religion and a $390,000 per annum salary can do that to people…

    I didn’t know he was into the ‘greed is good’ cult as well reb, but it figures though, what’s one more US style indoctrination?

    The greatest conflict was a ‘no government’ IPA preaching, libertarian fundamentalist taking a job where he is sucking off the public teat to the tune of $390,000 pa!

    Complete hypocrite I’d say.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:48 pm

    … your speech can get you in trouble even when it’s relatively harmless.

    Define “relatively harmless” in the context we are discussing?

    And I agree Tim Wilson has made some fkn hypocritical statements …

    McIntyre was playing Fuckwits and got burned … without twitter and the WWW (world wide!!!!) I would never have known …

    Learn the system and use it to your advantage* … (ie sometimes keep yer fkn mouth shut!)

    *disadvantage for some!

  216. April 28, 2015 6:58 pm

    r””’A homosexual who is also a fervent member of Hillsong”””’

    #oh that explains it. l could never follow this cnuts `bipolar` nonsense, and wondered why the fcuk the network/s gave him air-time. So, he basically ticks various `demographic` boxes, and receives too-much air-time. #FFS

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2015 6:59 pm

    Most people that have an employment contract are required to behave in a manner that is not detrimental to the interests of their employer – at work and in their private lives – and in their public utterances.

    That sounds reasonable – particularly for someone that earns their living off the taxpayer.

  218. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:06 pm

    As an example l will use `breakfast` on my abc.

    As an “example”, why not use the actual account? Do you have any evidence of him having used it in the way you mention?

    Tim Wilson is a walking contradiction of a man.

    Here I was thinking he was just a fucken idiot 🙂

    That is what i heard on the radio.

    Is that you Adrian?

    particularly for someone that earns their living off the taxpayer.

    Why single them out? Anyone working under a contract should/must abide by it.

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:13 pm

    “Anyone working under a contract should/must abide by it.

    Sure, but taxpayer funded employees may be of greater public interest

  220. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:16 pm

    Sure, but taxpayer funded employees may be of greater public interest

    Only if yer a public servant haterz. A contract is a contract is a legal thingy, like a law thingy, that #freedomboy thinks is just really different.

    If you work for a public entity, you are still an employee. End of story. Doesn’t mean they deserve a special form of witch hunt just for them, no matter how much it gets you off.

  221. April 28, 2015 7:17 pm

    tr””’As an `example`, why not use the actual account?””’

    #l used the example to show the quagmire being created, l don`t know scott-mc or what he does on sbs, nor give a fcuk really. l also don`t agree the `default` for twit-accounts (or-other) is biz/corporate.

    #The `default` for twit-accounts should be personal, and `clauses` claiming `ill-repute` to cover-up biz-sins should be few and far between, and only in exceptional, few cases.

    #Citizens should retain all rights to `social`.public discussion in the majority of cases.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:28 pm

    #Citizens should retain all rights to `social`.public discussion in the majority of cases.

    Is that what it was? Or just some Boofhead® ranting about something he has no idea about …

    … pity he didn’t find an RSL or a unit gathering on ANZAC Day and have that “social public discussion” … he would have been re-educated as suggested earlier … 🙂

  223. April 28, 2015 7:39 pm

    Clearly you don`t like the content of scott-mc`s tweets. So now you against free-speech. The measure of `free-speech` is allowing content you don`t like being able to be said. (See 5.56 5.35 and 5.41 which you ignored.)

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:46 pm

    Looks like he was sacked because he did not obey an order to remove the tweets.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/malcolm-turnbull-did-not-request-scott-mcintyre-sacking-20150427-1mua5l.html

    A source in the SBS sports department said McIntyre’s colleagues were told at a staff meeting on Monday that McIntyre was sacked because he disobeyed orders to remove the offending tweets.

    AND

    SBS management said in a statement on Sunday that McIntyre had breached the broadcaster’s Code of Conduct and social media policy. The latter document states that “while SBS employees have the right to make public comment and to enter into public debate in their personal capacity, it is important to ensure that SBS is not brought into disrepute”.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:53 pm

    ‘This Day Is Not For You’: Police Stop Black Digger From Marching For Frontier Wars:
    https://newmatilda.com//2015/04/27/day-not-you-police-stop-black-digger-marching-frontier-wars#sthash.JMlQ0ZUB.dpuf

    …Police prevented a black ex-serviceman from joining the main Anzac parade in Canberra, because he was marching to acknowledge his people’s war dead.

    An Aboriginal ex-serviceman who’s great uncle was the inspiration for the famous poem ‘Coloured Diggers’ was told “this day is not for you”, threatened with arrest and refused permission to march with his non-Indigenous colleagues after joining a procession to mark the ‘undeclared Frontier Wars’ intended to shadow the official ANZAC day march in Canberra…

    https://newmatilda.com//2015/04/27/day-not-you-police-stop-black-digger-marching-frontier-wars#sthash.JMlQ0ZUB.dpuf

  226. April 28, 2015 7:56 pm

    teebz””just some Boofhead ranting about something he has no idea about””’

    #boo of melb.? #kneel.?

    #it`s called `opinion` teebz, l also don`t accept that `social`sites (like-here) should be inflicted with the clap-trap that pollutes teabag-media to produce endless nonsense.

    #lf teabag-media or other corporates don`t like what goes on in the `social`sphere, they should just fcuk-off, not dictate to the rest of us.

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2015 7:58 pm

    “Only if yer a public servant haterz.

    I don’t think so.

    If your a broadcaster funded by the taxpayer, the public is entitled to be more interested than if you’re the marketing officer for some retailer.

    Though I recall someone that worked for Woolworths getting the flick for their public comments about Gillard ( think). THat got plenty of media coverage, despite their relative junior status.

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2015 8:11 pm

    Heavens!!

    If you’re…

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2015 8:55 pm

    …Though I recall someone that worked for Woolworths getting the flick for their public comments about Gillard ( think). THat got plenty of media coverage, despite their relative junior status…

    Do you mean the woolies chief executive who donated the chaff bag jacket ? All in his “private capacity” as woolies media said. Or another woolies staff member? Woolies don’t sound very labor friendly do they?

    [linkedin] Simon Berger

    Chief of Staff, Parliament of Australia
    Canberra Area, AustraliaGovernment Administration
    Current
    Parliament of Australia
    Previous
    Menzies Research Centre, Liberal Party of Australia (National Campaign Headquarters), Woolworths Limited

    Yeah, he really did lose his job [or tossed it in] and then vaulted straight up to be head of abbott’s dirt unit!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbotts-secret-hit-squad-the-coalition-advisory-service/story-fncynjr2-1226872278629

    …TONY Abbott has established a covert political hit squad which is funded by taxpayers, operates outside parliamentary scrutiny and has a controversial leader.

    The under-the-radar Coalition Advisory Service supplies Government backbenchers with media information and ammunition to aim at the Labor Opposition. It has offices in Parliament House.

    …It’s head is Simon Berger, the former Woolworths executive who left the company after organising the auction of a “chaff-bag jacket” at a September 2012 Young Liberal fundraising dinner addressed by Sydney broadcaster Alan Jones…

  230. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 8:32 am

    Lest We Forget

    In a speech to the Sydney Institute on Monday night, Ms Bishop said the so-called Islamic State and the ideology behind it tore up the rules of nation-states that had helped moderate international conflicts for centuries.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/islamic-state-bigger-threat-to-world-order-than-cold-war-communism-julie-bishop-20150427-1mujvf.html

    Well, that didn’t last long, did it 😯

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 9:23 am

    …it is important to ensure that SBS is not brought into disrepute”.

    Ring a bell — anyone?

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 9:28 am

    Back this arvo … off to help my 86 yo mate with his new computer.

    What did Ned Kelly say again …

    Have you noticed that the majority of us live life within a community as well as we can – yet the arseholes get all the limelight? Just thinking of my old mate. And those that have died along the way …

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2015 9:28 am

    “Do you mean the woolies chief executive who donated the chaff bag jacket ?

    He wasn’t “chief” executive. He was a relatively junior PR type, and woolies gave him the flick.

  234. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 11:09 am

    He was a relatively junior PR type

    Maybe on your scale he was “junior”

    Mr Berger was the state government relations manager for Woolworths

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/jones-scandal-claims-first-scalp-20121006-274mt.html

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2015 11:22 am

    WOW!!

    A state level public relations type with a supermarket l!! He’s a high flyer!! He was probably in charge of government orders of Tim Tams, tea bags and Pablo instant coffee for public servants!…and that’s huge business!

    No wonder he was given the flick for his involvement in political activities.

  236. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 11:25 am

    with a supermarket

    Yea, one of the largest supermarket chains, and therefore most powerful, in the Cuntry

    No wonder he was given the flick for his involvement in political activities.

    He was given the flick for his disgusting misogynistic behaviour.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2015 11:29 am

    He probably reported to the State Manager for Public Affairs, who reported to the State Director of Corporate and Government Relations, who would report to the Executive General Manager of Government and Public Affairs, who would report to the National Director of (something or other), who might report to a CEO.

    This guy would have been in charge of booking lunch for some local MPs. About 5 levels removed from influence.

  238. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 1:11 pm

    yes possibly maybe could’ve yomm 😉

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2015 1:37 pm

    He was probably in charge of government orders of Tim Tams, tea bags and Pablo instant coffee for public servants!…and that’s huge business!

    He certainly got a big promotion when abbott got into power then didn’t he? wonder why that was, services rendered to abbott & libs?

    He was also a failed liberal party candidate for election, so he was very political.

    more on anzac:

    Anzacs behaving badly: Scott McIntyre and contested history:
    http://theconversation.com/anzacs-behaving-badly-scott-mcintyre-and-contested-history-40955

    …Less excusable and far less innocent, even with the knowledge of hindsight, is the behaviour of the Anzacs stationed in Egypt before being shipped to Gallipoli. There the men treated the locals in an overtly racist manner.

    One soldier, Victor Ault, wrote about how “we thrash the black fellows with whips … Every nigger who is impudent to a soldier gets a hiding … I can’t say how many I’ve belted and knocked out.”…

    …All this is well known to historians, but clearly less well known to the public. There is an obvious disconnect between what historians know and what the popular perception of our past is. It is this disconnect that has jarred with some in the public and led to McIntyre’s sacking…

    …Most people are familiar with the Japanese treatment of Allied POWs, but Australian soldiers killed Japanese prisoners in Papua, including on at least one occasion wounded Japanese soldiers in hospital.

    Take the 1943 diary entry of Eddie Stanton, an Australian posted to Goodenough Island off Papua New Guinea. “Japanese are still being shot all over the place,” he wrote. “The necessity for capturing them has ceased to worry anyone. From now on, Nippo survivors are just so much machine-gun practice. Too many of our soldiers are tied up guarding them.”…

    …The response to McIntyre’s tweets is a demonstration that the popular perception of Anzac is completely out of step with the historical reality – but his remarks are also timely. We should not forget that war is never a one-sided affair in which our boys are squeaky-clean heroes and their boys murdering, raping villains…

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2015 1:51 pm

    ANZAC day as a quasi Australia Day

    http://theconversation.com/the-past-is-not-sacred-the-history-wars-over-anzac-38596

    …It has been noted, for instance, that Anzac Day works better as a national day because it avoids the contentious matters that Australia Day brings to the fore – Aboriginal dispossession and colonisation…

    Why we don’t hear about the 10,000 French deaths at Gallipoli:
    http://theconversation.com/why-we-dont-hear-about-the-10-000-french-deaths-at-gallipoli-40014

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2015 2:33 pm

    So, he basically ticks various `demographic` boxes, and receives too-much air-time. #FFS</i?

    More to the point, where are his qualifications for a HRC?

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/about/commissioners/human-rights-commissioner-mr-tim-wilson

    …Prior to his appointment Tim was a public policy analyst and a policy director at the world’s oldest free market think tank, the Institute of Public Affairs. He has also worked in trade and communication consulting, international aid and development, as well as politics. He has served as a Board member of Monash University’s Council, Alfred Health and on the Victorian Board of the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency.

    He has extensive experience in public debate and has had many regular radio and television commitments, with both commercial and public broadcasters. The Australian newspaper recognised Tim as one of the ten emerging leaders of Australian society. He has written extensively for newspapers, journals and books. He recently co-edited the book Turning Left or Right: Values in Modern Politics.

    Tim graduated with a Bachelor of Arts (Policy) and a Masters of Diplomacy and Trade (International Trade) from Monash University. He has also completed executive education at Geneva’s Institut de Hautes Etudes Internationales et du Développement and the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s Worldwide Academy…

    hehe

    “…The Australian newspaper recognised Tim as one of the ten emerging leaders of Australian society…” 🙂

    The australian would, wouldn’t it?

    Freedom commissioner Tim Wilson: method to Abbott’s madness @e2mq173 comments – See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2013/12/22/tim-wilson-ipa/#sthash.hkPM63Ko.dpuf

    …Tony Abbott has already implemented a number of the IPA’s recommendations, including abolishing the Clean Energy Fund, repealing the mining tax and ceasing support for the Australian car industry.
    The IPA’s idea number 82 is: “Abolish the Human Rights Commission”.
    And the IPA’s Tim Wilson will now take up a role paying more than $300,000 per year with the organisation he wants abolished…

    The mole?

    …If your a broadcaster funded by the taxpayer, the public is entitled to be more interested than if you’re the marketing officer for some retailer…

    Nice downgrade to marketing officer, next you’ll be claiming he works in the woolies call centre or is a storeman. ‘Some retailer’ – only the largest retailer in a national duopoly. Sure you’re not a spin merchant yourself?

    I’m not the least interested in sports journalism and isn’t sbs known more for soccer?

    What are the viewer numbers for sbs compared to the other channels and foxsports?

    The thing that bothers you is a reporter from a govt funded organisation [public servant] dared to make a personal opinion known because everyone knows that they are the only people in the land who are not allowed to have a personal opinion or exercise free speech.

    Even woolies let the executive off for ‘acting in a personal capacity’, it was he who fell on his sword and resigned, no ministerial intervention or anything.

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 2:41 pm

    I do hope this country is never invaded … I really do …

    Around 420,000 Australians enlisted for service in the First World War.

    In total, 63 Victoria Crosses were awarded to members of the Australian armed forces in the First World War

    Died before discharge from the AIF 60,284

    Wounded in action (including gassing and shell shock) 155,133

    Prisoners of war 4,044

    Suffered from sickness or non-battle injuries 431,448

    Note: the numbers given for wounded, sick, and injured represent the number of “woundings” or of sickness and injury, not the number of wounded, sick, or injured men. It was common for men to be wounded or sick on several occasions.

    The Roll of Honour records the number of Australian deaths during the First World War as 61,5142. This includes deaths until the formal disbandment of the AIF on 31 March 1921. During the period 4 August 1914 to 11 November 1918 there were 59,357 deaths2. On average, 38 members of the Australian armed forces died per day during the 1,560 days of the war.

    At 64.8 per cent, the Australian casualty rate (proportionate to total embarkations) was among the highest of the war

    I have always wondered how I would have reacted in a fire fight; or

    Seeing a mate beheaded; or

    Or blown to pieces; or

    A child hoisted on a bayonet; or

    A pregnant woman raped and her unborn child cut from her stomach; or

    A village ignited and its residents tortured and murdered; or …………………………………….

  243. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 3:13 pm

    freedomboy

    He is also strongly committed to equality before the law and government.

    well, those laws he likes anyway 😉

    I do hope this country is never invaded … I really do …

    YouRe not listening to the whistles correctly TB. IT’S BEGUN!!

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 3:57 pm

    Shakes head …

    Why do the majority of people make decisions on emotion …

    I avoid crowds too, TR … good risk management! 😉

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2015 4:33 pm

    This boofhead didn’t even get to start her job before she was sacked … 🙄

    A SINGLE mother has been fired from her job — before she even started it — after posting a Facebook rant about children that quickly made its way to her new boss.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/facebook-rant-gets-child-care-worker-kaitlyn-walls-sacked-on-first-day/story-e6frfm9r-1227326954043

    I’m more than convinced the world is full of morons … most now have a zombie phone too …

    Infkncredible!

  246. Walrus permalink
    April 29, 2015 4:59 pm

    “…….I’m more than convinced the world is full of morons … most now have a zombie phone too … ”

    Once again a complete moron has demonstrated that in the hands of a challenged IQ its quite easy to get fired via interacting on Social Media

  247. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2015 5:30 pm

    Once again a complete moron has demonstrated that in the hands of a challenged IQ its quite easy to get fired via interacting on Social Media

    And you’se all wunda why I blog anon 😉

    And, I just got a zombie phone. Danger Will Robinson, Danger!

  248. April 29, 2015 6:41 pm

    Tim””was a public policy analyst and a policy director at the world`s oldest free market think tank, the Institute of Public Affairs””””’

    #he is the `go-to crank` for teh-drum too it seems, he is often on, as l scroll the channels, keeps my abc `crank-balance` quota at the correct level, l suppose 😦

  249. April 29, 2015 6:46 pm

    tb””’I do hope this country is never invaded .. I really do””’

    #Don`t worry teebz, it won`t happen. With the continual goose-stepping our national-govt/s has done over the years, we will be targeted as a `nukie` first-strike. We won`t be left as a `life-boat` for teh-usa.

  250. April 29, 2015 6:51 pm

    A””’child hoisted on a bayonet; or

    A pregnant woman raped and her unborn child cut from her stomach; or

    A village ignited and its residents tortured and murdered; or”””

    #sounds a bit like `me-lye` #go.team

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