Why I won’t Shed a Tear for the Bali Nine Duo
Look, I for one am well aware that the Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran may only have hours to live and that in itself is not “a particularly good thing” especially for those two guys concerned.
And you know, the cynic with me is tempted to pontificate whether these two wayward individuals would have gone on to participate in further drug smuggling endeavours had this particular mission not being foiled in the first place.
But heck, as well know that’s simply conjecture.
Certainly, Andrew and Myruran had the presence of mind not to conceal any drugs on their own person at the time the Bali Nine were apprehended and in fact Andrew and Myruran denied any association of being affiliated with the other drug mules whatsoever at the time of their apprehension.
From the testimony of the remaining Bali Nine members, Myuran was employed as the “hired muscle,” his mere foreboding presence serving as a reminder to the remaining mules as they were being strapped with packages of heroin on their bodies, that “backing out” at the last minute was not an option.
That we, as a collective nation should now be called upon to sympathise with the plight of Chan and Sukumaran as they face the consequence of their own actions as it’s being plastered across mainstream Australian media and along with it, the not so subtle condemnation of Indonesia’s perfectly legitimate legal system is something worth our consideration.
Perhaps if Chan and Sukumaran had kilos of heroin strapped to their own bodies in some ill-fated and naive attempt to make a few bucks, once could excuse that as the folly of youth. But they didn’t.
They knew what they were in for, and that’s why they set up others to take the fall.
I’d like to feel sorry for them, but I can’t seem to muster the feigned sympathy, other than for the fact that I feel sorry for their parents and what they are going through.
Perhaps Myurarn can take some comfort that within the next few days, his paintings are going to be worth a lot more than they are today, and as for Andrew, well, if he’s now so convinced that Jesus exists, well very soon he’s going to meet him.
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The death penalty had never been imposed in Bali for drug trafficking. It’s a stretch to say they knew what they were in for.
Of course Australian citizens aren’t the only people the Indonesian Government is planning to shoot-
Van Gogh sold just one painting while he was alive. Myurarn’s could be more successful than Vincent (provided he sells something in the next 24 hours).
Capital punishment is wrong.It is barbaric.It is always terrible.Under any circumstances.Give these two a very severe punishment for what they did Certainly..20 years in prison is hardly a rap on the hand.Or even life in prison is a very sever punishment for any crime.But never the death penalty!.It does nothing to deter criminals,Innocent people have been executed.There is no place for the death penalty in a civilised society; even for this very unsavoury couple.
lt`s a `stretch` to say,
boo of melb”””’It`s a stretch to say they knew what they were in for.”””
#you have to totally ignore a lot of posters, in a lot of languages that say `Asia Executes Drug Traffickers` (or similar) at our international airport departure points, including the passenger `tubes` they put against the aircraft. #2319 #still.flying.over.hot.battlefields
dear tony ,do you think it is possible that i have a painting from you on my wall here in holland?
No amount of posters on walls and stickers on passports will make any difference if people are being forced to do it by crime lords who have threatened their families, their friends and everything they hold dear.
Would this be a problem if drugs were legalised and regulated?
“”No amount of posters on walls and stickers on passports will make any difference if people are being forced to do it by crime lords who have threatened their families, their friends and everything they hold dear.””
My understanding is that the Bali 7 went there because it was an easy way to make a few bucks.
Andrew Chan was the orchestrator of the event.
Myuran Sukumaran was the “hired muscle” to make sure that no one backed out at the last minute.
There are signs plastered everywhere at the airport as you arrive in Indonesia (as well as depart) that smuggling drugs carries the death penalty.
It’s interesting that neither Andrew nor Myuran were carrying any drugs when they were apprehended. Only the seven mules were.
And when they were initially caught Andrew and Myuran denied any knowledge that they were travelling with the other seven.
It’s also interesting that the media haven’t interviewed the remaining Bali 7 who are languishing in jail thanks to Andrew and Myuran (and their own naivety) about how they feel about their impending execution. Perhaps it’s because they’re less than sympathetic?
It’s also interesting that the media haven’t interviewed the remaining Bali 7 who are languishing in jail thanks to Andrew and Myuran
It’s also interesting that the media as a whole seem to be uninterested in the AFP’s role in this, who had been tipped off about the venture, let them land in a country with the death penalty and actively enabled that the transpire?
My understanding is that the Bali 7 went there because it was an easy way to make a few bucks.
Andrew Chan was the orchestrator of the event.
Myuran Sukumaran was the “hired muscle” to make sure that no one backed out at the last minute.
None of them were the ringleaders though were they? Like the mafia, they were all under the control of people who make sure they can’t be connected to the crime.
Isn’t one of them a lotto winner? He’s kicking back and enjoying his millions while they all rot?
Where’s the condemnation of the actions of the AFP who have basically ensured the death of australian citizens?
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/who-was-the-ringleader-behind-bali-nine-drug-smuggling-syndicate/story-fnh81fz8-1227215579634
…Mr Di Carlo said evidence shows Mr Sukumaran and Mr Chan, as well as other drug mules in Australia, were low-level smugglers in a wider syndicate and “it’s quite clear [the police] never got the ring leaders.”…
…“There was many other ways the police could have handled it … but in the guise of having to chase other people, which ultimately they never got, they effectively created the situation where these people were trapped in a country where they knew they would be killed if they were caught,” he told news.com.au…
…He is now believed to be living in Sydney after avoiding police by not having played a “hands on” role in the drug syndicate.
Mr Sukumaran and Mr Chan have never revealed who they were working for as part of the drug smuggling gang, for fear of repercussions for their families….
Where’s the condemnation of the actions of the AFP who have basically ensured the death of australian citizens?
Exactly. The actions of the AFP were disgraceful, they have knowingly facilitated the shooting death of Australian citizens.
I’ve emailed them, and while sending
dull plodsofficers of the law a note probably won’t get any attention, it can’t really hurt either.complaintscoordinationteam@afp.gov.au
I’d like to feel sorry for them, but I can’t seem to muster the feigned sympathy, other than for the fact that I feel sorry for their parents and what they are going through.
Me too …
Capital punishment is wrong. It is barbaric.It is always terrible.Under any circumstances.
I agree … read about soldiers summarily executed …
There are signs plastered everywhere at the airport as you arrive in Indonesia (as well as depart) that smuggling drugs carries the death penalty.
If my kids, g/kids break the rules there is some form of punishment … as adults if we break the rules we are punished …
In Asia in particular most Australian travellers are cautious to say the least.
And in Indonesia the punishment for breaking their rules for drug smuggling are?
What astounds me is that two criminals can put at risk the relationship of a nation of 23 million people … with a nation of 250,000,000!
Unfknbelievable …
Indonesia really doesn’t value the relationship
Indonesia really doesn’t value the relationship
And yet we have been so accommodating to them. 😯
I’m not suggesting Australia is too flash, but we’re never been territorial or expansionist.
We have entrenched democratic values and despite obvious problems, the wealth distribution is a lot fairer.
The elite of Indonesia are far more entrenched and oppressive than Australia’s.
…I’m not suggesting Australia is too flash, but we’re never been territorial or expansionist…
We’re extremely territorial, we’re overly worried about letting any of the ‘foreigners’ in!
Is it time already to validly call this a “nanny” grubmint?
Hold your fire President Widodo: What are you trying to hide?
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/hold-your-fire-president-widodo-what-are-you-trying-to-hide,7635
The final snub…
The Minister for Armani will be on the 730 report tonight.
sreb, I just read that ABC report … I’m beginning to think Indonesia is engaging in brinkmanship here and there may be a last minute stay …
“Chan and Sukumaran denied spiritual support in the final moments before their executions”
So the Indos being the scumbags they are have appointed their own “spiritual advisors” to witness the deaths.
Obviously they want to control the information flow post execution
Indonesia isn’t beyond whipping up a little xenophobia for political ends.
They have devious, self seeking politicians too, only theirs are richer.
ABC now reporting the Bali 2 will now have no spiritual advisers at all.
So now no one except the authorities will witness their execution.
“ABC now reporting the Bali 2 will now have no spiritual advisers at all.
So now no one except the authorities will witness their execution.”
I was a bit sceptical at first Walrus, but if what you say is true then it seems they really are rubbing our noses in it.
The Indonesian authorities seem to be revelling in the way this is all playing out in the public domain.
Lining up 9 people for shooting in quick succession is barbaric.
Indonesia isn’t beyond whipping up a little xenophobia for political ends.
We have more in common with them than I thought.
but if what you say is true then it seems they really are rubbing our noses in it.
It certainly looks that way, doesn’t it. Tim Jones pretty much summed it up.
Lining up 9 people for shooting in quick succession is barbaric.
Its barbaric any way you shoot* unarmed people who can’t shoot** back!
*Kill **Fight
Seems all was left to JBish.
Has abbott made any public statement today?
Julie Bishop looking like genuine PM material on 730.
She has really grown into the role… #surprisingly
Tim Jones blames Abbott. What a self-satisfied fuckwit he (Jones) must be.
I think I might shed a tear for these two. If I don’t shed a tear, I’ll have a drink. Or something
I hope it doesn’t happen, though.
BTW Where was all the moral outrage and media hysteria when 25 year old Melbournian Nguyen Tuong Van was executed in Singapore in 2005 ??
At least he was trying to do something “honourable” in attempting to pay off his brother’s drug debts by importing heroin into Australia.
Hardly a peep from the Australian media at the time, nor the sense of palpable outrage we’re witnessing today.
#justsayin
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/01/death-penalty-van-ngyuen
I remember feeling sad and quite down the day of van ngyuen’s execution. I didn’t know him, I don’t know andrew and myuran either but I expect to feel sad for such a deliberate loss of two young lives.
I watched the doco about ngyuen’s life story [sbs I think] and felt sad all over again.
I felt much sadder about Nguyen’s situation AO. He was only trying to help out his brother…
But I guess our relative sympathies for all these people doesn’t mean anything… It’s just a waste of life.
There but for the grace of dog goes i…
boo of melb”””The actions of the AFP were disgraceful, they have knowingly facilitated the shooting death of Australian citizens.””’
#The `actions` of the donkeys facilitated their `own` executions, and the prison sentences of 7-other donkeys. .. #2319 .. #not.others.responsibility
I usually have a trip to Bali mid year. It’s no hardship to go to Biarritz in France this year.
It’s probably no great hardship
http://www.biarritzparadisesurfschool.fr/wp-content/themes/biarritzparadisesurfschool/timthumb.php?src=http://www.biarritzparadisesurfschool.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/header1.jpg&h=370&w=940&zc=1
boo of melb”””’I`m not suggesting Australia is too flash, but we`re never been territorial or expansionist.”””’
#guffaw #yes-sir-ee, we have never goose-stepped off to optional wars to expand empires or colonial powers. .. #2319
I quite liked Bob Carr, as NSW Premier and as Foreign Minister.
But tonight he’s saying we shouldn’t withdraw our ambassador to Indonesia. What a spineless c**t.
We should do that and discontinue our training of their military, and stop AFP co-operation.
…and I really don’t give a crap if they “unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers”
w””witness their execution.””
r””rubbing our noses in it.””
r””playing out in the public domain.””
#yep, these things do tend to be a double-edged sword, much more misery inflicted on the condemned`s families than needed. Let`s just remember mr-rabbit started much of this `public-domain`, `nose-rubbing` for his political benefit.
#Prediction. The next lot of aussie drug-donkey/s trying it on in lndo, will be dealt with a lot faster, quieter, and harsher. Even the next corby. Thanks mr-rabbit.
boo of melb”””and I really don`t give a crap if they `unleash a tsunami of asylum seekers”””
#Even tho you invested so much time and comment hating joolya for not stopping boat-people.? .. #2319
on my abc24, toolman just reported mr-rabbit will take `action` if the drug-donkeys are executed, some blathering later, but not `economic` actions, and not `policing` actions.
#ln short teabags, nothing.
teebz”””””Lining up 9 people for shooting in quick succession is barbaric.
Its barbaric any way you shoot* unarmed people who canât shoot** back!
*Kill **Fight””””””’
#That`s how l feel about drone-bombing people that can`t know they are even targeted, and had no trial. (probably-dunny-too)
Withdrawing ambassadors and ministerial contact … is childish …
While I really do feel for the innocents – their families …
… these two men are not martyrs, they set out to exploit drug mules to reduce their own risk of capture and the death penalty … and to make profit from other people’s misery … they paid the ultimate price for the ultimate risk …
And while we are at it … Ned Kelly was a ruthless, thief, murderer and gang leader … not a fkn hero of the people he robbed and murdered …
I guess I’ve seen too many people damaged by drugs over the years (including family and friends) …
Quite frankly I’m glad the media hype will be over soon …
I haven’t noticed anyone here portraying them as heroes TB, or downplaying their role in heroin importation or suggesting they’re martyrs.
But…
• The death penalty is ugly and barbaric in any circumstances
• State sanctioned murder is retribution, not a deterrent
• Both were in their early 20s, and some people are inclined to make bad decisions at that age
• Objecting to the death penalty does not translate to support for drug importers
• The death penalty saves lives.
• It is not murder, it is a deterrent. Retribution is a good thing. The main reason for this type of punishment is vindication of the bargain between the people and the state to the effect that the state will administer justice and individuals give up their right to do so.
• Killing them when young has valuable eugenic benefits.
• Telling other countries they can’t have the death penalty for serious crimes is presumptuous posturing.
The death penalty does not save lives.It does not act as a deterrent.Retribution is not a good thing.The rest is equally unsubstantiated rubbish.Ban the death penalty! Life in prison is enough punishment
for any crime.
boo of melb”””””Both were in their early 20s, and some people are inclined to make bad decisions at that age””””””’
And others manage to continue to make bad decisions to a much greater age. .. #2319
It is true that whilst there were warning signs in relation to trafficking drugs it doesn’t justify the consequence. It is unfortunate that the death penalty still exists.
“Indonesia’s perfectly legitimate legal system”?? The fact that the severity of punishment for a crime is dependant on who is in power only suggests how subservient Indonesia’s legal system is. (Not to mention the accusations of corruption and leniency)
In the whole scheme of things what has executing them achieved? For as long as there is sadness in life there will be drugs.
Execution nor persecution is the answer, rather rehabilitation. Do not marginalise the already alienated.
For as long as there is sadness in life there will be drugs … Do not marginalise the already alienated.
So sayeth – Drugs 1:1
And there shall be rationalisation in the world …
“I haven’t noticed anyone here portraying them as heroes”
Yes, but what about these dogfuckers then?
The Vice-Chancellor of the of the Australian Catholic University, the aptly named Professor Craven, said:
I don’t think ACU was condoning their crime. Or condoning the people that they were at the time of their arrest. They are paying tribute to their “reformation, courage and dignity”. Admirable qualities that should be recognised if seen in any person. Even the prison governor testified to their contribution and great character. I guess the definition of a hero is subject to each individual. But I think to an extent they were, and certainly to those who they helped within the prison.
Ultimately, there’s no use saying, “think about the lives that they would’ve destroyed”, those lives were destroyed the minute that they sought out drugs. If not from the 8kg of heroin that never reached our shores then from other readily available drugs and not to mention the ever growing list of substitute drugs.
Getting religion is a common practice for prisoners seeking leniency. Schapelle Corby tried it. Scott Rush rushed into circumcision for the purpose (and got his death sentence commuted to life) and Jake Drage was released after going head down arse up on a prayer mat facing Mecca. Sadly, it appears that Chan didn’t realise Indonesia was a Muslim country and paid the price for selecting the wrong religion.
The ACU scholarship was a publicity stunt by a third-rate university trying to cash in on the contemptibly maudlin sentiment sweeping the country following the death of a couple of wannabe drug lords.
Seriously, the country has been off its collective tits lately. I barely survived Anzac fatigue and since then I’ve been ground down by the relentless wailing and weeping over those two dead mongrel dogs. I am sickened by the semenesque sentimentality of the Australian people. There is really nothing for it but to go out and get sodomised by the Doberman. At least that will be less boring and more refreshing than reading another humourless homily from Julian Burnside.
The ACU scholarship was a publicity stunt by a third-rate university trying to cash in on the contemptibly maudlin sentiment sweeping the country following the death of a couple of wannabe drug lords.
yap. And it was these same toss pots who were supporting pynes ludicrous ideas also. Just for a reminder 😉
“…paid the price for selecting the wrong religion.”
You do know that they executed an Indonesian national; I don’t think choosing a religion had anything to do with it.
True, maybe it was a publicity stunt but it was a good one. Making Indonesian students write about the sanctity of life, that’s satire. Makes a good point too, although I think it should be extended to anyone who believes in capital punishment to be honest.
“Dead mongrels”? That’s a bit harsh. Not sure who I have publicly seen wailing and weeping apart from their families, which they’re surely entitled to do.
The “maudlin sentiment sweeping the country” was not in honour of “two wannabe drug lords”. It was in honour of the reformed men, men that had more dignity than half the people in our society. If they still had the mentality of “two wannabe drug lords” then our sympathy wouldn’t ring as loud.
Welcome back Gee, good to see you again… 🙂
…The “maudlin sentiment sweeping the country” was not in honour of “two wannabe drug lords”. It was in honour of the reformed men, men that had more dignity than half the people in our society…
Thank you gee.
“people can change”
Given the chance.