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$50 Billion Budget blowout mocks Govt’s “Superior Economic Managers” Claim

May 4, 2015

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Following the runaway success of last year’s Federal Budget, everyone’s favourite National Living Treasurer, Smokin’ Joe Hockey, is staring down the barrel of a $50 billion Budget blowout that will leave Federal finances deeply in the red well into the next decade.

With only days remaining until Mr Hockey is due to deliver his next Budget, Deloitte Access Economics has delivered a scathing assessment of Joe Hockey’s performance as Federal Treasurer and predicts that the nation’s finances are set to deteriorate further.

According to Deloitte, which last year accurately predicted the problems that would face Mr Hockey today, said a combination of falling commodity prices, stagnating wages and stalled spending cuts were all plunging the Budget into a precarious position.

Deloitte believes the current deficit will hit $45.9 billion this year and barely improve in the coming 2015-16 Budget.

Coupled with much bigger deficits in coming years, it leaves Government debt climbing well above $500 billion by the middle of next decade.

SUPERIOR ECONOMIC MANAGERS

With no end to the red ink in sight, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten will today warn in his main pre-Budget speech Australia cannot afford a “dull” Budget – as Prime Minister Tony Abbott has tried to characterise this year’s document — because the global economy is changing faster than ever.

“We need a Budget planning for the next 10 years, not a plan for Tony Abbott to survive to the end of the year,” he will say.  #Zinger.

He will say Labor’s three part test for Budget measures will be if they honest and responsible, fair and the right thing for the future.

The Prime Minister yesterday used the words “responsible and fair” to describe the Budget, pledging it would boost jobs, growth and opportunity.

“Our economy is strengthening and I think people will be more confident and optimistic on Budget night,” he said.

Oh how we laughed.

But Access director Chris Richardson said next week’s Budget was akin to a fiscal horror movie.

“2015-16 looks like it has been written by Stephen King,” he said.

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The fall in iron ore prices has been cited as one of the biggest hits to the Budget but Joe Hockey reckons it is likely to stay above the $US35 a tonne mark that had been forecast by some analysts.

But Access found that the slowdown in wages was looming as one of the biggest threats to the Budget bottom line.

Slow wages growth delivers fewer tax dollars and ultimately feeds a long-term Budget hit.

Trouble in China was also running into the Government’s failure to get measures from last year’s Budget through the Parliament.

There had also been backtracking on previous commitments that ultimately left the Budget in a poor shape.

“Politics is cruelling efforts at Budget repair, while the economy is hurting the fiscal outlook further. That says the repair task has grown but the appetite to tackle it has faltered,” Mr Richardson said.

The pain continues long into the future and well beyond the next election that is due in the second of next year.

In last year’s Budget, Mr Hockey forecast the nation would be running a deficit of just $2.8 billion in 2017-18.

That was revised downward to $11.5 billion in the mid-year update. Access believes it will be closer to $24 billion.

Late last month the Government changed its language around the return to surplus, saying that as a proportion of GDP the deficit would shrink.

Even on the pessimistic numbers painted by Access, the Budget improves in terms of GDP.

Access are the most pessimistic forecasts for the Budget yet released although some analysts are not expecting much better.

ANZ is forecasting Mr Hockey to reveal a deficit of $39 billion next week and an overall $20 billion deterioration to the nation’s finances.

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414 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 10:54 am

    That’s all very well but has the Abbott Government actually lied to anyone?

  2. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 11:17 am

    That’s all very well but has the Abbott Government actually lied to anyone?

    No one they give a shit about. 😉

  3. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 11:21 am

    And the papers run the “fall in commodity” and “obstructionist senate” line, but seem to ignore the “WASTE and CHAOS” that has come to epitomise this grubmint

    Having been in power for less than 20 months, the Abbott government has added over $83 billion to the level of government debt.

    http://www.thekouk.com/blog/mr-abbott-s-binge-on-government-debt.html

  4. May 4, 2015 11:26 am

    $230 million for school chaplains….

    #Justsayin’

  5. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 11:30 am

    How much for their advertisement information campaigns?

    Even those into policies they never got through ROFL

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2015 11:32 am

    And this whole problem was created by the ALP and the people who voted for them in 2007.

    I think we are doomed. Labor cannot solve the problem they only create problems.

    It has become so bad that Hockey is our only hope..

  7. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 11:51 am

    And this whole problem was created by the ALP and the people who voted for them in 2007.

    The ALP forced the grubmint into paying for school chaplains?

    Interesting thesis nIl

  8. May 4, 2015 12:02 pm

    lt`s all blibs fault. lf blib hadn`t knifed kevin07 the commodity prices would still be good.

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2015 12:02 pm

    Yep the ALP trashed the budget as they always do. Without fail. As usual.

  10. May 4, 2015 12:07 pm

    lf kevin07 hadn`t burnt the batts, eleventy would have learned to count.

  11. May 4, 2015 12:14 pm

    You have nothing NIL.. Your immoral lying radial Neocon are in charge.. you can blame Labor all you like but its official Hokey is the worst treasurer since Howard…
    Give up and grow some moral fortitude … the figures speak for themselves

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2015 12:15 pm

    What a dud Hockey has proven to be. An opportunistic senate full of economic illiterates is only partly to blame.

    Does anyone still think we shouldn’t worry about deficits?

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2015 12:23 pm

    We should be worried about Labor getting back in. Hawke/keating is as good as it gets for Labor and govt debt went from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 18% of GDP in 1996.

    No good economic numbers under Hawke/Keating and that is with a “good ” ALP govt. Shorten would be a shocker.

  14. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 12:38 pm

    Does anyone still think we shouldn’t worry about deficits?

    Does anyone say that?

    Perhaps you mean “worry so much” 😉

    A deficit alone is not a problem, particularly if the economy is sift or external factors difficult

    But, when you run a scare campaign so strong and hard without ever acknowledging it, and then find yourself in the position where a deficit is largely unavoidable, then I wish all the bad karma right back at ya

    Sucked shit hockey and the libs, you are simply reaping what you have sown.

    And, even now, they refuse to have an “adult” conversation about the budget, falling back on “less tax” and “bad Labor” sloganeering, even after Labor offered up olive branches of policies that they could piggy back off.

  15. May 4, 2015 12:45 pm

    Nil give it up.. let go… your repetitive lies and delusional hatred of the greatest treasurer in Australian history and his unbeatable legislative legacy that the worlds laziest treasure inherited then squandered is testament to your immoral sexual fiction of fiberal propaganda lies…

    Its OK to be wrong, just accept it the truth will set you free.. put on a nice frock, grab your favorite handbag, pity in a fresh tampon and let go of all that one dimensional festering hate sweetheart…

    The figures are out.. you are wrong and looking pretty fucking stupid prosecuting a defense for the indefensible….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-04/budget-deficit-figures-likened-to-stephen-king-novel/6441346

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/03/australias-budget-deficits-to-blow-out-by-47bn-over-four-years-modelling-shows

    And just as the Fiberals lie as their poor economic stewardship is just a myth.. So too is their consistent failure on not understanding the significance of the digital economy, preferring to stifle the NBN and sell Telstra…fiscally incompetent and short sighted…

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/australias-slow-digital-economy-needs-government-innovation-says-ernst–young-20150504-1mxv7g.html?stb=twt

  16. May 4, 2015 1:00 pm

    boo of melb”””Does anyone still think we shouldn`t worry about deficits?”””

    #2319 .. #worrying won`t change anything, particularly the current destructive imbeciles we are stuck with for next 2-years.

  17. May 4, 2015 1:09 pm

    Two enormous preeminent cunts promoting extreme cuntery, stroking each others cunts at cuntfest 2015

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-the-next-contemporary-prime-minister-of-australia-mirabella-20150504-1mz6pa.html

  18. May 4, 2015 2:26 pm

    “”If Prime Minister Tony Abbott stopped giving superannuation tax breaks to the rich, restricted negative gearing, scrapped the capital gains tax discount and slapped a minimum tax rate on high-income earners, he could raise up to $19.5 billion in annual revenue.””

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/tax-the-rich-and-save-the-budget-195b-a-year-the-australia-institute-urges-20150504-1mz7h4.html

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 4, 2015 2:40 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/tax-the-rich-and-save-the-budget-195b-a-year-the-australia-institute-urges-20150504-1mz7h4.html

    We’ve said that before reb, but according to walrus that’s very bad as immediately his sphincter tightens and he has a panic attack – something to do with scarey retrospectivity. You can’t change the rules on the wealthy avoiders just like they were pensioners dependent on a govt budget. They have to have years of warning and planning to look for other options and loopholes [or else they’ll get caught and have to pay money to the taxman]!

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 3:19 pm

    “”If Prime Minister Tony Abbott stopped giving superannuation tax breaks to the rich, restricted negative gearing, … etc

    Now why does that sound so familiar?

    Still I shouldn’t grumble … as long as the clever folks figure it out eventually, hey? 🙄

    … but according to walrus that’s very bad as immediately his sphincter tightens and he has a panic attack …

    … LOL! @ KL!

    Chuckle!

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 3:44 pm

    Some of you may remember our discussion and I said training is about helping people to learn not chasing $$$ … government loans to RTO’s would damage the quality and simply bring out the used car sales teams?

    Read on … this government destroys industries at every utterance – and has simply taken its eye off the ball to tackle the players with its ideology …

    … in fact … it is slowly but surely destroying our society with its obsession with the economy … instead of governing the country for all … not the 10% – AKA The Robber Barons …

    THE federal government says it is willing to consider a wide-scale audit of training providers to weed out rorting of the $1.6 billion VET FEE-HELP loans scheme with inflated course fees.

    It comes as evidence emerges of massive pricing discrepancies between fee-for-service and VET FEE-HELP courses being offered by a number of registered training organisations (RTOs), with taxpayers forking out up to 400 per cent premiums to line the pockets of training companies with government loans, many of which will never be repaid.

    The deregulation of the VET FEE-HELP scheme has led to a massive increase in for-profit, private education providers and an industry-wide decline in quality.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/this-is-a-blatant-rip-off-of-the-taxpayer-training-colleges-facing-audit-of-predatory-pricing/story-fnagkbpv-1227334354066

  22. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 3:53 pm

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 3:54 pm

    I rather like Xylophone … but he does have his dumb moments …

    Reacting to the news, independent Senator Nick Xenophon said the government had “missed an opportunity to level the playing field for small retailers, and with it supporting jobs for small businesses”.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/government-backdown-on-online-shopping-tax/story-fnagkbpv-1227334277719

    How many times to pollies have to review and report on the impracticalities of collecting GST in the interwebby … and that even an additional 10% GST would not put anyone off – the pricing is way lower than retailers here are prepared to sell for … thick as …

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 4:00 pm

    RE: Forked Tongue Jockey … he only represents the rest of the government and that’s why no-one listens anymore … flip flop flip flop … they have no idea … incompetence in the extreme … even the The Fixer don’t know if he’s fixed it or fkd it from day to day!

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 4, 2015 4:01 pm

    [ABC 24] The labour hire companies are disgusting. The farmers are paying the company what they should for the workers but the company is skimming off profits. Some migrants paid as little as $3/hr and female workers are also being sexually harassed/assaulted.

    That’s been known for ages hasn’t it? I’ve never understood why the workers aren’t paid directly by the farmers, why the wages go to the labour hire firms, it’s almost as if it was all designed to skim profits and exploit workers.

  26. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 6:05 pm

    yabots witch hunt is becoming overly blatant now it appears

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2015 6:10 pm

    And yet the multinationals … keep on ripping us off … TR

  28. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2015 6:27 pm

    And yet the multinationals … keep on ripping us off

    Which brings us to this comment TB

    How many times to pollies have to review and report on the impracticalities of collecting GST in the interwebby

    Every time the multinationals get busted ripping us off 😉

    LOOK OVER THERE!

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2015 6:44 pm

    And yet the multinationals … keep on ripping us off

    How come this topic did not come up under Rudd/Gillard?? I suspect the multi-nationals are not ripping off as much tax as people think.

    It just suits the class warfare soldiers of the ALP.

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2015 7:25 pm

    Well lets wait and see. But i do not recall this topic being discussed until recently.

    Same goes for kids in detention. Not much was said about the record numbers of kids Labor locked up until the Coalition got into power. I don’t recall many blogs mentioning the kids in detention until Abbott won govt.

  31. May 4, 2015 7:50 pm

    Nils is shrilling Class Warfare? what a fucktard.. team fiberal releases a social engineering totalitarian manifesto that the commo’s would be proud to own and calls it a budget..

    Here is budget 2 and buget 1 still hasn’t been passed due to its disgraceful ideology based fiscal vindictiveness targeting the poor and middle class. Along with promising to deliver surpluses like it was a mark of success, no matter what the social impact of that may be upon service delivery effecting the poor,.. Hokey promised to make these corporations pay.. but what does he do? fuck all…

    Nills sticking up for corporate robber baron tax cheats… what type of pathetic disgrace morally bankrupt liar keeps repeating the same bile…?

    Its hard to defend class warfare when you keep shooting yourself in the foot..

    Joe Hokey is not “our” only hope..its the right wing radical neocons running the fiberals last hope…Our best hope is to toss this lot before they destroy our economy and social structure.

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:10 am

    “…How come this topic did not come up under Rudd/Gillard?? I suspect the multi-nationals are not ripping off as much tax as people think…”

    “…It just suits the class warfare soldiers of the ALP”

    I suspect the multinationals are ripping off much more than people think.

    It did, actually. I recall rudd being accused of, guess what? class warfare! Swan was also accused of it. Whenever you point out how many ways the wealthy rip everyone off, it’s class warfare!

  33. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 10:09 am

    I recall rudd being accused of, guess what? class warfare! Swan was also accused of it

    Every time Labor attempted reform, reform which now the media and grubmint (at times) are actually arguing for, they were slammed with the “class warfare” tag AO.

  34. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 10:14 am

    And I see hockeys getting tough on tax avoidance instead of actually doing something

  35. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 11:46 am

    How much money is this witch hunt going to take up?

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 11:54 am

    If you really want to see rampant Über Kapitalism at work look no further than the banks …

    … if any industry deserves to pay a super tax it is definitely banks …

    And I watched Twiggy playing communist last night on The Business hilarious … what would be hilarious if it wasn’t so serious be got stuck into Rio Tinto … I’ve seen the RT management in action what a bunch of foulmouthed authoritarian arseholes they were … I was shown a video sent to management in Australia from London … unbelievable stuff from any management team …

  37. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 12:04 pm

    Is this the same twiggy who makes policy on the run for this grubmint TB?

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 12:43 pm

    …Joe Hockey to move on fraud, identity crime and tax avoidance…,/i>

    yeah, he’s going to establish a committee, now lets see

    Committee led by the CEO of CBA, westpac, NBA, Google, 21st century fox and the mining companies.
    Members include the business council of australia, IPA, ACCI, westfield, james hardie,

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 12:57 pm

    https://twitter.com/awelder/status/595417076212363266

  40. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 1:13 pm

    Members include the business council of australia, IPA, ACCI, westfield, james hardie,

    And their target will probably be anyone in or associated with a Union 😉

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 5, 2015 1:23 pm

    nd their target will probably be anyone in or associated with a Union

    I don’t know that union activism is a problem for any of those businesses. Unions seem to have successfully put (private sector) unionised organisations out of their misery.

  42. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 1:44 pm

    eg?

  43. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 2:40 pm

    Interest rates down to 2%

    “they’re not cutting interest rates because the economy is doing well. Interest rates are being cut to 50 year lows because the economy is struggling.”

  44. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 3:04 pm

    Little wonder then, that AGL – which last month said it would phase out coal fired generation by 2050 – on Friday announced it would fast track its battery storage offering to consumers. Utilities are now realising that they need to act quickly to stay relevant in rapidly changing markets.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/tesla-battery-storage-will-accelerate-exit-of-coal-generators-88203

    :facepalm:

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 3:06 pm

    … will never be a ‘non-mining economy’. #auspol

    Never say never … Walter Mitty …

    Slow – so fkn slow …

    So once again the older folk pay the price … Interest rates down to 2%

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 3:31 pm

    …Joe Hockey to move on fraud, identity crime and tax avoidance…,/i>

    yeah, he’s going to establish a committee, now lets see

    Committee led by the CEO of CBA, westpac, NBA, Google, 21st century fox and the mining companies.
    Members include the business council of australia, IPA, ACCI, westfield, james hardie,

    Please tell me your winding us all up, KL …

  47. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 3:51 pm

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 3:53 pm

    you’re …

  49. May 5, 2015 4:31 pm
  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 5, 2015 5:06 pm

    That sounds great Tom R. just get us paying more tax rather than trying for better value from the taxes we already pay.

  51. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 5:19 pm

    better value

    I can’t think of better value than not giving mining skivers my tax yomm 😉

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 5:28 pm

    If the government accept the ACOSS recommendations to reduce part pension threshold to $150,000 assets for couples (now $286,000) and singles to $100,000 (now $202,000) … it will mean a serious problem for many …

    … currently the part pension is reduced by $1.50 for every $1000 over the threshold … ACOSS proposes $2.00 per $1000 …

    Do the numbers on say $500,000 assets for a couple (eg super) … ie a reduction of 214 x $1.50 today … or a reduction of 350 x $2.00

    … a reduction of $321 (now) or $700 (proposed) … per fortnight …

    … max pension for a couple, $1,296.80 …

    … so a present part pensioner couple receives $946.80 per fortnight ($24616.80pa ) …

    … this will be reduced to $596.80 per fortnight ($15,516.80pa) … an annual reduction of $9,100.00!

    And it looks like the returns on super are about to get worse … this is a sneaky call on people with super below $1,000,000 … who are already in retirement … suffered the GFC … and most paid taxes for a part pension as young men and women …

    The Greens are talking about supporting it … Xylophone too …

    In fact the more I look at this, it actually attacks the savers …

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw/customer/publications/resources/rt010/rt010-1503en.pdf

  53. May 5, 2015 6:12 pm

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 6:18 pm

    CONSUMER confidence fell last week largely due to concerns about next week’s federal budget and the state of the government’s finances.

    CONFIDENCE was down 2.8 per cent, completely reversing the previous week’s 2.8 jump, ANZ/Roy Morgan’s consumer confidence barometer found.

    Despite the drop off, ANZ chief economist Warren Hogan on Tuesday said consumers seemed less worried about this year’s federal budget than they did in the lead up to the 2014 budget.

    “While confidence fell sharply in the weeks ahead of last year’s budget, this year we are seeing a more modest decline,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/confidence-drops-ahead-of-federal-budget/story-e6frfkur-1227336395855

    Maybe confidence in the Senate has “jumped” …

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 6:25 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/prime-minister-tony-abbott-and-treasurer-joe-hockey-in-awkward-pre-budget-photo-op/story-fn84fgcm-1227336853100?pg=1#comments

    This pair of twits must have already ruined thousands of lives … and will continue to do so until they are summarily dismissed by the board of directors in 2016 … US!

    Maybe we should be able to put politicians on a six month probation period?

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2015 6:28 pm

    That sounds great Tom R. just get us paying more tax rather than trying for better value from the taxes we already pay.

    Paying more tax? You’re a WCP too? Of course yer a Mexicano shiny arse …

  57. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2015 6:58 pm

    Maybe confidence in the Senate has “jumped” …

    Pay that one TB 😉

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 7:55 pm

    This pair of twits must have already ruined thousands of lives

    Strange that is my opinion of you TB and anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007. Unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007 and trending down. Detention centers empty. We took our refugees from UNHCR camps ie the most needy.

    Your vote in 2007 destroyed all that.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 8:26 pm

    …Abbott wanted Ambassador’s same-sex partner to “wait in the car”? Seriously? WTF? Unbelievable…

    Wow, that’s incredible media management isn’t it?

    Abbott refusing to be photographed with the two of them, that’s how tightly managed his appearances are. He’s a charlatan and a cowardly git to boot!
    I’m pleased the ambassador told him to f*ck off and disobeyed the order.

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 8:31 pm

    …Abbott wanted Ambassador’s same-sex partner to “wait in the car”? Seriously? WTF? Unbelievable…

    You people are all insane. As if Abbott is on the phone making sure there are no same-sex couples waiting to meet him.

    Anybody who believes that story has no common sense. Bernard Keane is a fool to believe that story. But however keane is a fool so it makes sense.

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:05 pm

    …The Prime Minister’s office did not deny the incident took place,…

    Someone has stuffed up, the ambassador resigned over it, no small thing.

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:10 pm

    Bolt gives an explanation

    the order was not driven by homophobia but a fussy insistence of the usual protocol, the prime minister traveling alone is met by the Ambassador without partner. Only when the Prime Minister is accompanied by his wife is he greeted by the Ambassador with his his partner, too.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:20 pm

    …Only when the Prime Minister is accompanied by his wife is he greeted by the Ambassador with his his partner, too…

    Wouldn’t the ambassador know that? he’s been one since 1999.

    The smh story said it was a non-ceremonial event

    …The arrival was a small non-ceremonial event. It took place not at the main Paris airport but at the smaller airport reserved for private jets, Le Bourget. France was represented by a junior protocol officer…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-05/pm-says-he-was-happy-to-meet-french-ambassador-and-partner/6447306

    …It said ambassador Stephen Brady was on the tarmac with his long-term partner, Peter Stephens, when the Prime Minister’s travelling party sent an instruction that Mr Stephens should remain in the car.

    The arrival was not a public event.

    The ambassador reportedly refused and following the incident, offered his resignation to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT)…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-05/pm-says-he-was-happy-to-meet-french-ambassador-and-partner/6447306

    …It said ambassador Stephen Brady was on the tarmac with his long-term partner, Peter Stephens, when the Prime Minister’s travelling party sent an instruction that Mr Stephens should remain in the car.

    The arrival was not a public event.

    The ambassador reportedly refused and following the incident, offered his resignation to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT)…

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:26 pm

    oops, sorry for repeating myself, I thought it seemed a bit long

    😳

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:28 pm

    From your link

    The ABC has been told it is protocol for an ambassador’s partner or spouse to be part of a welcoming party when the prime minister is travelling with his or her spouse.

    However, Margie Abbott did not travel with the Prime Minister to Paris.

    It would be unusual for a Prime Minister to choose the members of a greeting party at an airport.

    The decision is most often made by staff or foreign affairs department, according to protocols.

    Sounds like some Public Servant being anal with diplomatic protocol.

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:40 pm

    …Who is Peter Stephens, the man asked to wait in the car?…
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/who-is-peter-stephens-the-man-asked-to-wait-in-the-car-20150505-gguwcb.html

    …’Toughen the f— up’: Former Labor MP attacks Bill Shorten over Abbott story…
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/toughen-the-f-up-former-labor-mp-attacks-bill-shorten-over-abbott-story-20150505-gguuji.html

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:47 pm

    …Sounds like some Public Servant being anal with diplomatic protocol.

    “…when the Prime Minister’s travelling party sent an instruction that Mr Stephens should remain in the car…”

    Sounds like someone from the PM’s party being anal with diplomatic protocol.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 9:54 pm

    From your SMH link

    One theory doing the rounds on Tuesday night was that it was simply a matter of protocol.

    Mr Abbott was not accompanied by his wife Margie and therefore it was not protocol for Mr Brady’s partner to be present.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 10:12 pm

    andy bolt was quick to mop up wasn’t he?

    …Mr Abbott was not accompanied by his wife Margie and therefore it was not protocol for Mr Brady’s partner to be present…

    Are you listening neil? it wasn’t a formal visit!

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2015 10:28 pm

    From your SMH link

    Mr Brady, a career diplomat with the Department of Foreign Affairs, was said to be furious with the request for his partner to wait in the car. He was, according to sources in Paris, “literally screaming” at the protocol person

    Sounds like a protocol problem.

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2015 10:40 pm

    Perhaps he was making his stand for gay rights, seems to be a bit of it about in corporate australia [which can only be a good thing].

  72. May 6, 2015 12:44 am

    Bolt…always first with the leaked apologist talking points & rearguard damage control.

    He may even be ‘right’, but it’s impossible not to just take his output with a grain of salt, purely because his track record is that of a polemic bilge-artist with political allegiance writ large. Also, he should be judged more by what he chooses to omit than the ‘facts’ which his histrionics swing upon.

  73. May 6, 2015 12:45 am

    I don’t think Abbott is a homophobe, by the way.

  74. May 6, 2015 2:01 am

    Or, more correctly (I think): Je suis un poseur de hashtag.

    #hashtagposer #poseurdehashtag

  75. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:12 am

    Bolt gives an explanation

    I think the term is “piss poor excuse”

    Yep, it is gutter politics. Sucked shit yabot . But, if you don’t want gutter politics, don’t play in the fucken gutter. And he deserves all that can be thrown at him. As for Shorten “toughening Up”, even what he did gets him attacked enough. I mean, that article alone drifted off to leadershit and backstabbing, the incident becomes all abot Shorten, not the PM whose office acted like such fuckwits in the first place. It’s really pathetic. We barely heard about yabot backstabbing the nbn killer, but a story about a homophobic pm office and it scrapes up old leadershit in Labor. And the abc article is simply a complete list of excuses and scapegoats, running a very poor backward defense. The public broadcaster has been pussy whipped into obedience it seems. It offers up many excuses, but doesn’t ever get to the guts, or even try to. Who made the call? And did yabot know? And if not, why not?

    So, who will lose their job. I mean, the media guy lost his job over the Australia Day incident with Gillard, even though yabot started that one too, and all the media guy did was tell the public where a public figure was attending a public function ffs.

    But no one will lose their job here because our pommypm felt “threatened” by a gay man will they? And the media will get this off the front pages as quickly as they forgot about yabot lying about talking to European “officials” on asylum seekers. The lies and bad behaviour come so thick and fast, but are moved on so quickly and succinctly, that it is almost like they didn’t happen. Did they?

    Meanwhile, we are still reminded of ancient leadershit!

    I don’t think Abbott is a homophobe

    Maybe not, but that doesn’t stop him from being a pretentious imperious knob.

    #threatened #overkill #hashtagyesweknowitis 😯

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:16 am

    I think this story shows how gullible Labor supporters are. TomR couldn’t wait to forward on a Bernard Keane tweet. Lots of comment in twitter but no Labor supporter was a little bit careful.

    As if Abbott is on the phone while the aircraft is circling the airport making sure there are no same-sex couples waiting to meet him.

    Also apparently this Brady had some association with Rudd so most probably wanted to create trouble for Abbott.

    Also we can now tell if we didn’t already know that Peter Hartcher votes LABOR.

  77. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:22 am

    Meanwhile, in the midst of a “budget emergency”, the grubmint continue their witch hunt, regardless of the cost. A witch hunt that has miraculously been extended out to “the next election”. Can it be more obviously partisan political?

  78. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:24 am

    As if Abbott is on the phone while the aircraft is circling the airport making sure there are no same-sex couples waiting to meet him.

    But someone did. WHO?

    And why would the PM allow that within his office.

    lol, now you reckon it’s Rudds fault 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    I’m sticking with blaming our pommypm, because the buck stops where?

    Peter Hartcher votes LABOR.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  79. May 6, 2015 7:30 am

    Abbott is already on record as saying he feels “threatened” by gay people.

    It seems that the instruction for the ambassador’s gay partner to remain in the car was all about avoiding a potentially uncomfortable situation for Tony Abbott.

    And because, well you know, dog forbid Tony Abbott should ever be made to feel uncomfortable in what would otherwise be an ordinary situation for anyone else.

    The only casualty of course, is that the ambassador and his partner were made to feel like second class citizens simply because the PM’s staff were of the view that protecting Abbott’s ingrained homophobia was more important.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:33 am

    But hartcher said it was Abbott.

    I guess it was the protocol officer because Brady was found screaming at him.

    What gets me is lefties have no suspicion about any bad stories about Abbott. I am immediately suspicious because the lefty media just cannot wait to tell anything bad about Abbott.

  81. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:53 am

    were made to feel like second class citizens

    It’s a common theme with this mob who actually run the “class warfare” meme every time their mates are threatened.

  82. May 6, 2015 7:56 am

    And another thing!

    Do we honestly think that the ambassador’s spouse would’ve been told to wait in the car if hi partner was his wife?

    #Idontthinkso

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:04 am

    Apparently it is diplomatic protocol.

    Abbott travelling by himself is meet by the ambassador by himself.

    Abbott travelling with his wife is meet by the Ambassador and his wife/partner.

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:22 am

    Apparently it is diplomatic protocol.

    Although, as has already been pointed out dil,

    The arrival was a small non-ceremonial event.

    Do we honestly think that the ambassador’s spouse would’ve been told to wait in the car if his partner was his wife?

    #Ifuckenwellknowshewouldn’t

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:31 am

    The arrival was a small non-ceremonial event.

    So what. These Public Servant types are anal about protocol.

    Do we honestly think that the ambassador’s spouse would’ve been told to wait in the car if his partner was his wife?

    That is what would have happened. And Abbott certainly would have nothing to do with who meets him at the airport.

  86. May 6, 2015 8:38 am

    “”Abbott certainly would have nothing to do with who meets him at the airport.””

    But his staff clearly did.

  87. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:01 am

    Australians have politely asked if Prime Minister Tony Abbott would mind waiting in the car while they continue with 2015.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/05/05/australia-asks-tony-abbott-to-wait-in-the-car-while-they-get-on-with-the-21st-century/

    I don’t think it’s satire 😉

    These Public Servant types are anal about protocol.

    If they were anal about protocol, wouldn’t they have known that protocol wasn’t required in this situation?

    But his staff clearly did.

    And did yabot? I fear that he has “questions to answer” ROFL

  88. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:02 am

    Brave sirhockley ran away

  89. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:05 am

    With the budget less than a week away, here’s how the Government could reap billions in new revenue each year without targeting the poorest among us, writes Greg Jericho.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-06/jericho-a-path-to-surplus-that-doesnt-gouge-the-poor/6447744

    I know they want it to be “dull and boring”, but I don’t think it can be. They made too much of it in opposition for us just to forget about it now. Mind you, they are pulling out all stops in hte “dull and boring” stakes.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:17 am

    Greg Jericho – But as I have often noted, there is another side to the budget – that involving revenue.

    People that often earn their living on the public teat (ie us taxpayers) often prefer higher and more taxes (“revenue) to more efficiency and value out of the taxes we already pay.

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:22 am

    But his staff clearly did.

    No the Public Servant Protocol Officer did.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:29 am

    While Jockey & Co are miserably (still) attacking age pensioners he should to take a look at the NZ system …

    It 65 and you are eligible … no assets tests, no complex formulae, just a simple tax based income test anyone can follow …

    http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/map/deskfile/nz-superannuation-and-veterans-pension-tables/new-zealand-superannuation-and-veterans-pension-ra.html

    I found this interesting too … the Kiwi government is Liberal but in the true sense the Australian Liberal Party has always had policies closer to the pommie tories (the UK Conservative Party)

    We now know that, contrary to what some may think, it is not a choice between addressing causes of social dysfunction or saving money. Rather, if we successfully address social dysfunction, even by spending more money upfront, we will save money and, more importantly, improve lives in the longer term.

    We have recycled capital by using the $4.7 billion proceeds of the government’s sale of minority shareholdings in energy companies to reinvest in new public assets, such as schools and hospitals.

    We are approaching surplus and Crown debt will peak at less than 27 per cent of GDP before falling, less than half what was expected by the early 2020s.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-tough-decisions-paid-off-for-new-zealand-writes-prime-minister/story-fnihsr9v-1227337713288#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-masthead-feature%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1430868265585

  93. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:32 am

    to more efficiency and value out of the taxes we already pay.

    Except, as hockey found out, the ps is already running at a very efficient rate. They tried cutting further, but instead just broke things. This “efficiency” thing is so 20103 yomm. It has been exposed. labor cut to the bone. The libs went further, then wondered why we no longer have any idea what the actual unemployment rate, why our science departments are fracturing.

    Always looking for the cut that isn’t there, yet, when someone points out that there is revenue (TAXES) sitting there, straight back to “cut”.

    Move Along time I think yomm

    No the Public Servant Protocol Officer did.

    You mean, the one on his staff who called to tell the gay guy to stay in the car? 😉

  94. May 6, 2015 9:32 am

    “”the Public Servant Protocol Officer “”

    What even is that?

  95. May 6, 2015 9:32 am

    Thanks for clarifying Tom… 🙂

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:33 am

    What even is that?

    Scapegoat #29 😉

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:39 am

    What even is that?

    From my earlier link

    literally screaming” at the protocol person

    Apparently these people exist.

  98. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:41 am

    And, as the grubmint spends money on lawyers to accuse Union officials publicly (but which inevitably lead to nothing), we have the fwc making our workplaces more un-safe.

    A CRACKDOWN on the construction union and the banning of union officials from building sites is putting workers safety at risk, according to the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union.
    …..
    CFMEU state secretary Aaron Cartledge said union officials had a key role in workplace safety, as the construction industry nationally saw the number of deaths jump from 18 in 2013 to 29 last year.

    SafeWork SA figures also show workplace injuries in SA resulting from falls from buildings and other structures had increased from six in 2013 to 11 last year.

    Mr Cartledge said that “in our view, the less union officials on site the more unsafe procedures are going on’’.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/building-union-claims-watchdog-crackdown-compromising-safety/story-fni6uo1m-1227337857085

    I loved this from the story

    But the regulator says it had successfully sought the ban on the union officials because their behaviour was “causing havoc’’ on worksites.

    I guess making people wear hard hats could be termed “causing havoc’’?

    We watched House Rules last night, and couldn’t believe it when they told the contestants that they could take the hard hats off because the “demo” phase was done. Even though the house was basically an empty shell and a full on building site. So I wasn’t surprised when a tile fell down and cracked some poor contestant on the head.

    Safety is for pussies! Right 😉

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:44 am

    What a surprise, a CFMEU official says CFMEU officials do a great job!

  100. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:46 am

    What a surprise, a CFMEU official says CFMEU officials do a great job!

    And the numbers seem to support their case to yomm 😉

  101. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:47 am

    Apparently these people exist.

    Soon to be known as “Joe the Cameraman” I reckon.

  102. May 6, 2015 9:53 am

    “”Soon to be known as “Joe the Cameraman” I reckon.””

    Indeed, not “Peta the Credlin…”

    What ever happened to Peta? She just seems to have vanished… 😯

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:54 am

    Safety is for pussies! Right 😉

    Shakes head … after all the years I (and thousands of others) put into WH&S the dills that run the “show” still don’t “get it” …

    Nothing changes …

    OT sort of … I watched the first three of a six part series last night called Inside Combat Rescue* … USAAF Combat Medic Teams in Afghanistan – 2012 … really interesting … and the teams extremely dedicated … their motto struck me too … “That Others May Live” … and they really live up to the motto …

    *National Geographic series …

    Highly Recommended ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:55 am

    What ever happened to Peta? She just seems to have vanished… 😯

    Who?

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 9:55 am

    With the budget less than a week away, here’s how the Government could reap billions in new revenue each year without targeting the poorest among us, writes Greg Jericho.

    Why doesn’t Jericho resign from his job and seek election in the ALP and become Treasurer.

    Trouble with these armchair critics is that it is not as easy as they think.

    Jericho is just another dumb leftie who starts to worry about the budget after the Coalition is in power. Just like with Children in Detention.

  106. Walrus permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:22 am

    “Do we honestly think that the ambassador’s spouse would’ve been told to wait in the car if hi partner was his wife? ”

    Clearly Abbott has snatched the radio from the co-pilot’s hands and angrily screeched over the airways demanding that airport security clear the tarmac of gay peoples.

    I’m sure it would have been at the forefront of his mind.

    By the way an ambassador that actually knew his protocols would not have brought his wife or partner to the airport in the first place

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:24 am

    The ambassador should indeed have offered to resign after making a complete ass of himself, basically not understanding protocol.

  108. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:27 am

    By the way an ambassador that actually knew his protocols would not have brought his wife or partner to the airport in the first place

    Yep, it’s all somebody elses fault that yabot office told the gay guy to wait in the car 😉

    For the slow ones.

    The arrival was a small non-ceremonial event.

  109. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:30 am

    basically not understanding protocol.

    The slow is strong in the slow ones today.

  110. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:30 am

    lol (sigh)

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:35 am

    The rush to blame Abbott personally for this incident and to use it to damn him as homophobic is cynical and wilfully dishonest. It doesn’t even make sense.

  112. May 6, 2015 10:37 am

    BREAKING NEWS!

    I interrupt your regular whinging to advise that Christine Milne has just resigned as Leader of The Greens.

  113. May 6, 2015 10:37 am
  114. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:39 am

    is cynical and wilfully dishonest. It doesn’t even make sense.

    It’s like the opposition to the entire Gillard years wrapped up in one day really isn’t it 😉

  115. armchair opionator permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:40 am

    “…Do we honestly think that the ambassador’s spouse would’ve been told to wait in the car if hi partner was his wife?…”

    If the name was peta and not Peter 🙂

    BTW, does Abbott just sit in the car mute while this is going on?
    Who is the boss giving the directions to staff?

  116. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:42 am

    Christine Who?

  117. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:43 am

    BTW, does Abbott just sit in the car mute while this is going on?

    Depends on what peta says

    Who is the boss giving the directions to staff?

    See above 😉

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:45 am

    It’s great that Christine Milne has resigned! Do they have anyone that –
    * is sane, and
    * has an IQ of over 70

  119. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:46 am

    pyne, proving yet again that he seems ideologically opposed to education

    The Abbott government will axe funding for The Conversation website in next week’s budget, Education Minister Christopher Pyne says.

    The Conversation, whose executive director is former Age editor Andrew Jaspan, was created in 2011 to give academics a platform to promote their research to a broader audience.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/government-funding-for-the-conversation-website-to-be-axed-christopher-pyne-20150505-ggv19d.html

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:48 am

    erm, do I really care about the ambassador and his partner … it seems to have got a lot of “airplay” … when there is more serious shit being stuffed up, literally, by The Mad Abbott and Jockey CPA* …

    So be interesting to see how Sarah handles the new job … 😮

    Actually I saw a bloke recently on TV from Tassie Greens who didn’t seem too dumb …

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:52 am

    pyne, proving yet again that he seems ideologically opposed to education

    It’s like watching a bunch of wrecking balls bouncing backwards and forwards and we never know where/who they’ll hit next, TR …

    The sooner they are turfed out of the crane’s cabin the better … let’s just hope there’s some of the village left to live in …

  122. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 10:53 am

    Do they have anyone that –

    She was with the Greens apparently yomm, not the libs 😉

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:00 am

    Public service – the inefficiency isn’t just with Commonwealth public servants.

    The federal government funds the health sector, where there has been a HUGE growth in non patient related overheads in the past decade or so. It funds local governments – ditto

    …and the Victorian treasurer has just announced that public service wage related costs will increase by over 7% this year

    There is plenty of room for efficiency in the money the government already collects.

  124. Walrus permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:00 am

    So Sarah Hanson – Young is favourite ?

    Never trust anyone with a hyphenated name

  125. Walrus permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:01 am

    For all this bleating about Negative Gearing (which I admit could do with a workover) dont forget that with interest rates this low Negatve Gearing just aint that negative anymore

  126. May 6, 2015 11:02 am

    “”do I really care about the ambassador and his partner …””

    With a cavalier attitude like that I may be compelled to write a piece about why we should care about baby boomer retirees who have done very well financially over the years, only to leave the emerging Gen Y with a legacy of unaffordable housing, record levels of youth unemployment and unaffordable education.

    But I’m a little more sympathetic than that.

    Today, anyway.

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:02 am

    Great choice of song, Tom R.

  128. May 6, 2015 11:03 am

    “”So Sarah Hanson – Young is favourite ?””

    Now that would be just hilarious.

    There would be no end to the rivers of tears flowing in Parliament.

    She’s probably so niaive to believe she deserves to be leader too.

  129. May 6, 2015 11:05 am
  130. May 6, 2015 11:09 am

    The very same Kevin Andrews of the freedom-choking, fear-peddling Liberal Party, presumably.

  131. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:11 am

    There is plenty of room for efficiency in the money the government already collects.

    That’s just what hokeypokey and his deficit plan used to play. Seems they couldn’t find it with razors even more inconsiderate than your yomm. I’m sure they’d love to see this “waste and mismanagement” they harped on about. 😉

    Great choice of song, Tom R.

    As always 🙂 I looked for a live one, but well, they really aren’t that great live, unless you are there.

    I love SEEING them live, great showmen, great songs, but their musical talent ………………. oh wells

    Now that would be just hilarious.

    I wouldn’t put anything past anyone in this political climate.

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:19 am

    The very same Kevin Andrews of the freedom-choking, fear-peddling Liberal Party, presumably.

    You forgot “community destroying” to tus…

  133. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:20 am

    REB 4 GREENS COMMISSAR!

  134. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:21 am

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:49 am

    The rush to blame Abbott personally for this incident and to use it to damn him as homophobic is cynical and wilfully dishonest. It doesn’t even make sense.

    I am more anti-labor than pro=coalition but it is things like the protocol thing that confirms to me that most labor supporters have no principles. Everything they do seems to be for political advantage. It just depends what side of the bed they get out of what principle they will stand by.

  136. Walrus permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:52 am

    Here’s hoping that Lee Rhiannon gets the Leadership of the Greens.

    That would be the end of them

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 11:56 am

    “I’m sure they’d love to see this “waste and mismanagement” they harped on about.

    Compare an organisation chart of a hospital or local government – today vs a decade ago.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2015 12:15 pm

    Here’s hoping that Lee Rhiannon gets the Leadership of the Greens.

    That would be the end of them

    Ditto Ludlum or the Child-Senator from SA.

    The only useful purpose of the Greens is providing an index of that ultra-leftist mental illness characterised by compulsive public masturbation blighting the Australian population.

  139. May 6, 2015 12:32 pm

  140. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 12:39 pm

    Compare an organisation chart of a hospital or local government

    So, we’ll just take your word for that will we yomm?

  141. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 12:45 pm

    Apparently, the pommypm thinks that it is below him to personally tell the gay guy to stay in the car. It’s all in the wording really 😉

  142. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 12:58 pm

    Everything they do seems to be for political advantage.

    Funny you should say that 🙂

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 1:08 pm

    Apparently, the pommypm thinks that it is below him to personally tell the gay guy to stay in the car

    Did you call Gillard the Welsh PM. You really are a nasty person totally suitable for the ALP.

    “PM says he’s the PM and “doesn’t concern himself” with protocol questions which are the job of a “junior”.

    What is wrong with that??

  144. armchair opionator permalink
    May 6, 2015 1:22 pm

    I think there’s been friction in the greens for a couple of years now.

    I like scott Ludlam and that Peter wish – Wilson myself.

  145. May 6, 2015 1:29 pm

    Captain Catlick Calls define Abbott, only nasty fucktards like Nil blinded by hate would condone the actions of the worst government in Australia’s history led by a gay hating moralist liar who is unworthy of office and about as popular as NIL…

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 1:50 pm

    Here’s a judicial view (the very latest) of the union (CFMEU) that Tom R so readily quotes here (just out on Monday!)-

    The concept of the rule of law was anathema to it.
    The table contained a list of some 87 cases, involving contraventions of industrial legislation by the CFMEU, since 1999. In most of these cases the CFMEU was found to have sought, by means of threats, coercion or unlawful industrial action, to achieve industrial outcomes. Most of the cases involved multiple contraventions.
    …the CFMEU’s record as being “dismal” and indicating “an attitude of indifference … to compliance with the requirements of the legislation ….
    They, nonetheless, bespeak a deplorable attitude, on the part of the CFMEU, to its legal obligations and the statutory processes which govern relations between unions and employers in this country. This ongoing willingness to engage in contravening conduct must weigh heavily when the need for both specific and general deterrence is brought to account.

    So, what brought about this behaviour???? The CFMEU wanted to stop an employer from making an agreement with the AWU!!

    …but let’s not let facts and judicial findings concern us here.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2015/407.html

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 2:27 pm

    Never trust anyone with a hyphenated name

    Well that puts paid to a lot of Liberal voters … hey Willy-Wally?

    For all this bleating about Negative Gearing (which I admit could do with a workover) dont forget that with interest rates this low Negatve Gearing just aint that negative anymore

    LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

    Apologies, Wally, well said …

    … but I don’t agree with the last sentence … repairs and maintenance and rental losses and costs can still be claimed …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    we should care about baby boomer retirees who have done very well financially over the years, only to leave the emerging Gen Y with a legacy of unaffordable housing,

    And I’d gladly discuss that most baby boomers have had to work their arses off since they were 15/16 and many have less than $300,000 to their name and some a mortgage to boot … few with qualifications (in my day less than 10% had degrees) … and been stuffed around (and continue to be) by every government since Menzies … many of us can remember ration cards after WWII … some of us lived off army ration packs to survive!

    And why shouldn’t baby boomers own most of the homes …

    1) There’s more of them – that’s why they are called the BBs

    2) They are older and have had more time to accumulate

    3) They still support families in their homes

    4) Most are not ready for the Soylent Treatment yet

    5) And they get on with it instead of whinging

    Personally … we worked for three years to get our (required) deposit of 25% … took eleven years to pay off our first loan … built our present home 31 years ago … it is NOT an asset …

    … and if Gen Y want homes they might need to look at issue such as negative gearing, foreign investors, not enough land being approved, getting into the market at the lower end and in the suburbs and banks reluctant to lend to them … less of the “good” things in life and more at the “practical” … eg gap year was only ever for the rich … like new cars, mobile phones, $200 tickets to rock concerts … and did I mention partying till five in the morning in town – after the family party?

    Yeah we could debate those arseholes the baby boomers … the ones that supported two other gens and still do … gotta blame someone (else) … hey?

    … but if we want to get hooked up on another stupid gaffe by Abbott’s staff and blame him … then we have lost the plot and we are falling for the News Ltd look over there … go for it …

    OK, sreb … sucked in … 😉

    Wonder how much pension Ms Milne is eligible for … ?

  148. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 2:41 pm

    Here’s a judicial view

    Yea, cos the law is so fair on Unions ROFL. Tell it to ya solicitors 😉

    Three young lives were lost because of the failures of Grocon to properly ensure workplace safety and the company was fined $250,000. In contrast, the CFMEU was fined $1.25 million over a dispute with Grocon about serious safety breaches.

    http://www.cfmeuvic.com.au/news/statement-by-john-setka-in-response-to-fine-ordered-for-fatal-grocon-wall-collapse

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 2:56 pm

    As I said… let’s ignore the judicial findings, the 87 prosecutions (most of which involve multiple breaches)

    Let’s ignore that this latest prosecution was caused by the CFMEU taking action against an employer that wished to make a union agreement, just not with that union.

    Let’s just face it, it’s only the CFMEU that has a right to represent workers.

  150. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:01 pm

    it’s only the CFMEU that has a right to represent workers.

    I’m not sure I agree with that opinion, but you can hold that opinion if you want 😉

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:06 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that the CFMEU thinks that other unions eg AWU don’t have eights to represent workers without their permission.

    And employers that deal with the AWU are likely to get into a serious union turf war.

    But why would we get concerned about that?

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:08 pm

    “rights”

    I’m really not enjoying this phone

  153. May 6, 2015 3:12 pm

    “”… and if Gen Y want homes they might need to look at issue such as negative gearing, foreign investors, not enough land being approved, getting into the market at the lower end and in the suburbs and banks reluctant to lend to them …

    Yeah let’s just forget that it was the BB’ers who wee’d themselves with delight when the property market exploded and they were fortunate enough to have bought a house on Sydney’s lower north shore for $30,000 plus a couple of investment properties to boot. The BB’ers laffed all the way to the bank while their grandkids now can’t afford to live anywhere within a 2 hour commute to Sydney.

    “the lower end of the market””

    Where exactly is that in relation to Sydney…..? Dubbo??

  154. May 6, 2015 3:15 pm

    “”5) And they get on with it instead of whinging””

    Well some of them do.

    Others end up on “backwater blogs”™ ranting and raving about how Gen Y never had it so good, and how the BB’ers are just so hard done by.

  155. May 6, 2015 3:17 pm

    AND ANOTHER THING!!!!

    Why, oh why do we pay taxes?? Why not just tax fat people with poor dress sense.

    They’re only going to die of obesity anyway, and it sets a poor example for young adolescents who haven’t made up their mind yet.

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:26 pm

    Where exactly is that in relation to Sydney…..? Dubbo??

    Adelaide 😉

    Welcome to the buyers market 🙂

    Why, oh why do we pay taxes?

    To keep accountants employed.

    But why would we get concerned about that?

    Because there are bigger issues than Union “turf” wars.

    I’m more concerned with employers blocking Union access while their workers die

    Call me sentimental.

  157. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:30 pm

    What do the libs have against public transport. Soon it will be as underfunded as Public Schools to the point where they can no longer deliver acceptable services.

    Oh………

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:48 pm

    “Why not just tax fat people with poor dress sense.”

    Finally a sensible and practical contribution to the economic debate!

    I’m sick of having to look at those types, and if they had to pay more tax I wouldn’t be so bothered by them. Most of them are probably bludging off welfare or sick pay or something.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 3:52 pm

    Yeah!!

    Unions should be free to please themselves about the law. Why should they have to obey things like that? Laws get in the way of unions, particularly when they want to have a blue with another union about which union people should be corralled into.

    Laws are for wimps.

    (same goes for taxes)

  160. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 4:00 pm

    Laws are for wimps.

    (same goes for taxes)

    And safety regulations!

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 4:15 pm

    Where exactly is that in relation to Sydney…..? Dubbo??

    See! You want me to give you all the fkn answers instead of looking for them yourself …

    Are you trying to fool folk into thinking you’re Gen Y … LOL!

    And then!

    How ironic … This story was published: 1 hour ago May 06, 2015 3:17PM

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/generation-sponge-why-more-australians-are-forced-to-mooch-off-mum-and-dad/story-e6frfmcr-1227338761347

    Its not the generations that are causing the issue … that’s what The Mad Abbott wants people to believe … its the greedy pricks … in all generations …

    BTW … I’ve always lived 25 klicks from the city … but then I’m not a party boy … 😉

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2015 4:20 pm

    Tom R, what is with your recent spate of cheerleading for the CFMEU crime syndicate? Have you been appointed Consigliere? Or maybe you’ve up and joined the Comancheros? Or perhaps all it took was for one of the junior footsoldiers to give you a ride in a Union Maloo?

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 5:03 pm

    … one of the junior footsoldiers to give you a ride in a Union Maloo?

    The mind boggles, sb!

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 5:21 pm

    Tom R behind the wheel –

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 5:42 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/disgraceful-liberal-frontbencher-challenges-report-of-pm-snub-20150506-ggv2d4.html

    Mr Tudge said that his understanding was that the usual protocol required that if a Prime Minister was travelling with his or her spouse, then the ambassador would be accompanied by his or her spouse.

    In this instance, Mr Abbott had been travelling without wife Margie and so “in that instance the usual protocol in my understanding is that the ambassador would therefore greet the Prime Minister by his or herself”.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2015 6:19 pm

    Robber Barons at work … again …

    ONLY one of the nation’s big four banks, ANZ, has followed the RBA’s lead and cut standard variable home loan rates by 25 basis points.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banks-rebuked-over-home-loan-rate-cuts/story-e6frfkur-1227338895950

    SUPERTAX!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Notice how the Young Liberal Troll is still pursuing – nay, pushing – the “protocol” story … all quiet on the budget front ..

  167. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:05 pm

    what is with your recent spate of cheerleading for the CFMEU crime syndicate?

    Probably because there has been a recent spate of attacks on Unions, and a recent spate of Unions protecting workers, and a recent spate of workers being exploited where the Unions are not able to protect workers

    Speaking Spately of of course 😉

    Tom R behind the wheel

    Not that I’d mind 😉

    Notice how the Young Liberal Troll is still pursuing – nay, pushing – the “protocol” story

    Even though, apparently, there are no guidelines over who meets the pommypm, contradicting stories throughout the day defended the threatened pommypm

    http://tenplay.com.au/news/national/2015/5/6/same-sex-partner-snubbed

    At about 1.50 😉

    … all quiet on the budget front ..

    patience Grasshopper. The fun is yet to begin 🙂

  168. public toilet permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:49 pm

    Yes indeed.

    AbbottCorp are about to walk the budget plank again.

    They had so much success last year, it’s bound to boost their stagnant negative polling.

    The pre budget spin machine has been marvelous in its contortions of history and logic.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2015 7:58 pm

    “Probably because there has been a recent spate of attacks on Unions”

    Tom R probably thinks this is an “attack”…

    The concept of the rule of law was anathema to it.
    The table contained a list of some 87 cases, involving contraventions of industrial legislation by the CFMEU, since 1999. In most of these cases the CFMEU was found to have sought, by means of threats, coercion or unlawful industrial action, to achieve industrial outcomes. Most of the cases involved multiple contraventions.
    …the CFMEU’s record as being “dismal” and indicating “an attitude of indifference … to compliance with the requirements of the legislation ….
    They, nonetheless, bespeak a deplorable attitude, on the part of the CFMEU, to its legal obligations and the statutory processes which govern relations between unions and employers in this country. This ongoing willingness to engage in contravening conduct must weigh heavily when the need for both specific and general deterrence is brought to account.

    Some members of the judiciary have form in “attacking” criminals and those with a contempt for the law.

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:00 pm

    AbbottCorp are about to walk the budget plank again.

    Yes trying to fix up the mess Rudd/Gillard/Swan created and the people who voted for them.

    It is actually starting to get serious. ALP supporters do not care about debt or the trouble it may cause.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:07 pm

    No doubting who the UK papers are campaigning for.

  172. public toilet permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:14 pm

    Who’s been in power for the best part of two years now, Kneel?

    When does the statute of limitations for blaming everyone else expire?

  173. public toilet permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:17 pm

    We’ll see how much AbbottCorp cares about it, Kneel.

    It’s most likely that it will be a ‘saving their political arses’ budget, after last year’s repudiation.

  174. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:17 pm

    Wow they are supposed to clean up the mess in 2 years.

    As for limitations, i don’t know. But i do believe it is getting serious. No time for politics. But unfortunately labor does not care about debt.

  175. public toilet permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:42 pm

    You may find that AbbottCorp talked up the debt way harder when it was far less, then tried using that hyperbole to lubricate the implementation of ideologically masturbatory budget ‘fixes’ last year.

    They have painted themselves, and you, into an almost inextricable corner. They are now unlikely to take drastic remedial budget action for fear of their political hides.

  176. public toilet permalink
    May 6, 2015 8:44 pm

    Also, their overblown negativity about debt has become a self fulfilling prophecy, whereby the horses are well and truly spooked.

  177. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:06 am

    and those with a contempt for the law.

    When a Union is fined $1.25 million over a dispute with Grocon about serious safety breaches and then that company is only fined just $250,000 after pleading guilty to its role in the deaths of three innocent people , then I would argue that some of the laws deserve contempt.

    Wow they are supposed to clean up the mess in 2 years.

    Well, that’s what they told us they’d do.

    Also, their overblown negativity about debt has become a self fulfilling prophecy, whereby the horses are well and truly spooked.

    Precisely. In the shadow of the GST, we had one half of the political spectrum, and the vast majority of the media aligned with them, talking down the economy every step of the way, spooking investment and raising “sovereign threat” on an almost daily basis. You really cannot blame business leaders for listening, after all, these were the supposed economic geniuses.

    That myth is well and truly shattered now, in less than two years.

    All indications to date are that this will be an “election” budget, with goodies rather than nasties. The “budget emergency” has faded into the past, replaced with “boring” giveaways.

    The next big question is, does this mean that there WILL be an election before the end of the year?

  178. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:11 am

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:15 am

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/ambassador-to-france-stephen-brady-broke-the-rules-over-his-partner-meeting-tony-abbott-in-paris/story-fni0cx12-1227339295377

    THE Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet has confirmed Australia’s dummy spitting Ambassador to France contravened a longstanding protocol by insisting his partner be present when he greeted Tony ­Abbott in Paris two weeks ago.

    Well now we know Peter Hartcher is a Labor supporter. Hartcher even stated on the radio that it was Abbott himself who issued the directive. And people wonder why i never trust what a Labor supporter says whether they are journalists or voters.

  180. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:25 am

    lol nIl, there’s nothing there that says that if he isn’t accompanied, then the partner isn’t allowed. Brendan Nelson confirmed on tele last night there is no such restriction. Murdoch running cover for a threatened yabot yet again.

    He’s got the 24hour news cycle down pat hasn’t he. Two days ago, he lied about the Europeans, yesterday, threatened by gays, what will today bring?

    In case you missed it nil http://tenplay.com.au/news/national/2015/5/6/same-sex-partner-snubbed

    And all the tele can do is say the pm staffs reckons their right, but still can’t get it right ROFL

  181. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:36 am

    yabot reflecting on “the right order of things”

    ROFL

  182. May 7, 2015 8:40 am

    Over at The Awfulstralian they’re sending a clear signal to Joe Hockey that if the polls slump any further he’ll be the fall guy.

    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-budget-is-joe-hockeys-do-or-die-moment-of-truth/story-fnahw9xv-1227339116889

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:41 am

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/paris-envoy-stephen-brady-threatens-to-resign-after-his-partner-barred-from-greeting-tony-abbott/story-fni0cx12-1227337850196

    DFAT rules stipulate that when a PM is travelling alone, he or she is greeted by the ­ambassador only……………..The Paris Embassy was made aware of this in advance of Mr Abbott’s arrival.

  184. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:51 am

    Sorry nil, but did you watch Brendan Nelson in the link say that there IS NO hard and fast rule for the visit yabot made?

    If they can produce the relevant piece that says that this is required for a non formal landing, then go ahead, till then, I’ll believe Brendan Nelson over the tele, especially with the tele’s record of factual consistency.

    And yabot dismissing it off to underlings instead of just saying “sorry, seems to have been a mix up”. But sorry seems to be his hardest word. Maybe even harder when he is “threatened”.

    Hockey is the perfect fall guy, love to see that landing 🙂

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 9:36 am

    TomR

    You are insane and continue to make me believe Labor supporters are fools.

    As if the PM of Australia no matter who it is spends time on the phone making sure there are no gay couples waiting to meet him. Also Brady and Abbott are on friendly terms and Abbott appointed him to France.

    And i will continue to believe the media is not to be trusted and are mainly cheerleaders for the ALP.

  186. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 9:49 am

    And i will continue to believe the media is not to be trusted

    While continuing to link to the tele ROFL

  187. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 9:51 am

    I also note that the libs have taken up practicing “waste” against yomms best advice

    Federal budget 2015: Census saved, $250m investment in Bureau of Statistics

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/federal-budget-2015-census-saved-250m-investment-in-bureau-of-statistics-20150506-ggvdrp.html

    liberal grubmint just pandering public servants I guess hey yomm 😉

  188. Walrus permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:10 am

    Well well well……………….looks like the new Greens leader at this very early stage might just be a bit more moderate than that idiot Milne ever was going to be.

    If I was an ALP supporter I’d be very worried about the inner city metro seats the ALP holds (Albanese and Tanya Plib in Sydney) with a more moderate Green leader in place.

    I’d bet that some of the ALP vote will over the coming few years drift to the Greens making the ALP possible dependent someday on a coalition government ALP/Green within the next 5 to 10 years…………………or so my crystal ball says

    And that will scare plenty of not so sure ALP voters back to the LNP

    Should be interesting

  189. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:19 am

    coalition 2.0 hey wally 😉

    Was funny hearing the journos saying how having this “moderate” will be good because tones can now negotiate with someone willing

    ROFL. They still don’t get it that it’s the grubmints fucken policies, not the oppositions intransigence that is the problem. Keep looking everywhere BUT the source.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:27 am

    And that will scare plenty of not so sure ALP voters back to the LNP

    Welcome to Neverland, I’m Peter … XD

  191. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:40 am

    I’m Peter …

    And Wendy can just stay in the car!

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:48 am

    Why does such a shitty little party like the Greens need two deputy leaders? Because two privileged white males have stabbed Milne in the back. They needed a compliant token woman for cover.

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 10:49 am

    Welcome to Neverland, I’m Peter

    Yeah unemployment at 11% I will vote for Keating. Govt debt triples under Hawke- vote Labor

    Rudd/Gillard trash everything they touch- vote Labor

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2015 11:05 am

    Speaking of Neverland … 🙄

  195. May 7, 2015 11:10 am

    So, Kneel, they lied about not broadening the GST!?

    Given that it’s about to be broadened to online purchases.

    Of course, you either can’t recognise or won’t admonish the lie.

  196. May 7, 2015 11:12 am

    Like Australians aren’t paying more for most digital downloads etc (than other countries’ consumers) already.
    Now our deceptive government wants to get their hand deeper into our pocket.

    Small government my arse.

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2015 11:17 am

    How to demonstrate that you are a Dumb Treasurer and really don’t give a shit or understand how the real people have to live in the country you are supposed to be caring for … here’s a hint … interest rates FLUCTUATE borrow at 4% and they go up to 6% and you’re fkd if you don’t get a pay rise or lose your job …

    So what does the Dumbest Treasurer on the planet advise … ?

    TREASURER Joe Hockey is urging Australians to borrow and invest in the Australian economy in the wake of yesterday’s historic interest rate cut by the RBA.

    Despite bank deposits becoming virtually worthless as a place to store money, many are wary of the lure of investing in an overheated property market. And for first home buyers — in Sydney at least — things are only going to get harder.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/joe-says-borrow-but-should-you/story-e6frfmn0-1227339321558

    I suppose he could borrow to buy a few more ceegars …

    Arrogant Fuckwit!™

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2015 11:19 am

    Mornin’ Toylet … 😉

  199. May 7, 2015 11:23 am

    Guten morgen, TB. 😉

  200. May 7, 2015 11:26 am

    The downward spiral continues after next week’s Budget, which will further demonstrate the cynicism & outright deceits being perpetrated by the Federal Government as they ignore their previous hyperbolic stances & deliver what they hope will be a ‘well received’ (unlikely, imo) plan to salvage their political arses.

  201. May 7, 2015 11:40 am

    “”Joe Hockey is urging Australians to borrow and invest””

    Yeah I was gobsmacked when I heard that too.

    Does he mean invest in property? Then all you’d be doing is buying at the peak of the market and then watching yourself go bankrupt when interest rates go higher and the bubble bursts.

    He’s a total fkn moron.

    Now is definitely NOT the time to borrow and invest.

  202. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 11:42 am

    He’s a total fkn moron

    Not when you consider that it’s his mates that’ll profit from it 😉

  203. May 7, 2015 12:17 pm

    canoe-town now””””””workplace safety, as the construction industry nationally saw the number of deaths jump from 18 in 2013 to 29 last year.

    SafeWork SA figures also show workplace injuries in SA resulting from falls from buildings and other structures had increased from six in 2013 to 11 last year.””””””””””””

    #lt`s only the tip of iceberg team-cheerer, over the next several years, expect the body-count and injuries to rise sharply.

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 12:28 pm

    He’s a total fkn moron.

    Maybe so. But he is better than Swan who you voted for.

  205. May 7, 2015 12:30 pm

    twitter”””””””””’Does it really matter who will lead the freedom hating @Greens? Their anti-family & community destroying policies remain #greenspill #auspol . Kevin Andrews (@kevinandrewsmp) May 6, 2015””””””””’

    #that`s either a true zombie, or a great parody #Love.it

  206. May 7, 2015 12:45 pm

    team-cheerer”””””””””’Three young lives were lost because of the failures of Grocon to properly ensure workplace safety and the company was fined $250,000. In contrast, the CFMEU was fined $1.25 million over a dispute with Grocon about serious safety breaches.””””””’

    #l checked around after the `grocon` fine, yep, 80k per-head is `about` the going rate for `corporate-murder-by-negligence` (and none were drug-donkeys as far as l know) but onions that haven`t killed anybody get fined millions, there is plenty of injustice much closer to home for `bleeding-hearts` to bleat about.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2015 12:50 pm

    I may have to eat humble pie!!! (And its awful, so I will make sure) …

    Whoever is advising, Jockey, now, is much smarter than last year … just where is Peta?

    Because of the change in asset treatment the charts (middle of the article) here don’t actually look too bad (recall my $500,000 asset example above) …

    I’ll check them out more thoroughly later – in the middle of painting!

    MORE than 172,000 pensioners will be $30 a fortnight better off under an overhaul of pension eligibility ­designed to cut part-payments to the wealthy and help struggling retirees.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/budget-2015-winners-and-losers-in-pension-overhaul/story-fni0cx12-1227339644386

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Now is definitely NOT the time to borrow and invest.

    And the sharemarket is crumbling at the moment … 1% down right now … and had a rough three days …

  208. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 12:51 pm

    lt`s only the tip of iceberg team-cheerer, over the next several years, expect the body-count and injuries to rise sharply.

    Will there be a royal commission though? Will there be a witch hunt into the MP’s who fought for the changes that allowed this to happen?

    But he is better than Swan who you voted for.

    Not according to the IMF

    Hockey, voted Worlds Best Fall Guy 2015 🙂

  209. May 7, 2015 1:00 pm

    reb””””’their grandkids now can`t afford to live anywhere within a 2 hour commute to Sydney.

    “the lower end of the market””

    Where exactly is that in relation to Sydney”””””

    #lt`s a multi-prong, compounded problem. You would look 40KM`s plus, for `working-class` priced houses, which is generally the blacktown to penrith(60km) area. Parramatta(30km) is now too dear, and has become a bit of a hub.

    #so being pushed out to the `outer-ring` areas, you NEED a RELIABLE car to work and EARN to pay the home off, so you are also stuck with lots of driving, petrol, tolls, paid-parking As public transport is non-existent in many places. Rail hasn`t expanded into the `new`/outer areas, as corporate/govt `partnerships` for toll roads/tunnels have `non-compete` clauses in them, along with road-closures to funnel traffic onto toll-roads. #melbourne.ditto

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 1:02 pm

    Not according to the IMF

    Still team cheering no matter how many lives you destroy.

    In 2007 25% of cars were made in Australia. After 6 years of ALP rule this was slashed to 10%.

    Other than destroying peoples lives why do you exist?

  211. May 7, 2015 1:12 pm

    dunny”””””’their overblown negativity about debt has become a self fulfilling prophecy, whereby the horses are well and truly spooked”””””

    #it is absolutely delicious watching eleventy, mr-rabbit and the rest of the teatards wallow in their crapulence and have achieved nothing but dog-whistling their imbecile herd.

    #oh.how.l.fcuking.laugh

  212. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 1:16 pm

    After 6 years of ALP rule this was slashed to 10%.

    hmmm, one wonders if the GFC would have had any impact on that at all? You know, skyrocketing dollar while others collapsed.

    Other than destroying peoples lives why do you exist?

    Laughing at you is another 😉

  213. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 1:22 pm

    I love how it’s all about how Bill Shorten should worry. The only time they pay any attention to him, is when they can pretend to sink the boot in.

    he sounded authentic

    Wow, here’s a thought, don’t write crap ROFL

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 1:31 pm

    Laughing at you is another

    Yeah you laughed when local car sales went from 25% to 10% and our car industry was destroyed.

    I am not against subsidies but it should be linked to performance. If sales went from 25% of the market to 35% you give them some money.

    But you have no conscience. Destroying peoples lives gives you a sexual thrill.

  215. May 7, 2015 1:32 pm

    why am l not surprised the 2-donkeys came from the hills-district and have at least one connection to hillsong

    +

    mr-rabbit is not more `phobic` at airports

  216. May 7, 2015 1:40 pm

    “”Destroying peoples lives gives you a sexual thrill.””

    😯

  217. May 7, 2015 1:52 pm

    guardian””””””””’The Greens feel like a party of the future while both the Coalition and Labor look increasingly like parties of the past. As Elon Musk launches the Tesla home battery to worldwide acclaim and coal-fired power looks like the 21st century equivalent of blacksmithing, the Greens are already ahead of the game.”””””””””’

    #suck.it.up.teabags

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/with-christine-milne-gone-its-wall-to-wall-blue-ties-in-canberra

    +

    rebs guardian””””””””””Most voters have probably never heard of Richard Di Natale, but Bill Shorten might be just a little concerned about the new Greens leader and, in time, Tony Abbott might be too.

    In his first outing Di Natale proved he could deliver a progressive political message , zinger free , and without torturously scripted soundbites.”””””””””

    #watch.out.blib #good to see somebody with potential to shake-up and scare the crap out of the big`teams` come along, l would `guess` our canberra imbeciles will be crapping themselves, as they see the uk heading toward another hung/minority parliament and voter disinterest.

  218. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2015 1:59 pm

    Destroying peoples lives gives you a sexual thrill

    Perhaps he’s trying to snactify me ❓

  219. May 7, 2015 2:37 pm

    guardian”””””””””It is a tribute to the Greens and an unspoken (but no less glaring for that) criticism of their opponents(#blib) that the transitions from Brown to Milne, and from Milne to Di Natale, have been achieved calmly, graciously and without controversy.

    There was no factional fighting,(#blib) no public counting of numbers, no weeks of speculation, no dramatic leadership spills, no dead men or women walking. This in and of itself builds the Greens brand.”””””””””’

    #it is good to see at least some of teabag-media have woken-up, as armchair and l have been saying for some time now, just coz mr-rabbit is total crap, it doesn`t just `default` that the votes will go to blib, as many of us are looking elsewhere to vote, estimated 30%-of voters.

  220. May 7, 2015 5:17 pm

    “”Joe Hockey is urging Australians to borrow and invest””

    “Yeah I was gobsmacked when I heard that too.”

    So was I. I was in the car and nearly drove off the road.

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2015 6:25 pm

    I’d bet that some of the ALP vote will over the coming few years drift to the Greens making the ALP possible dependent someday on a coalition government ALP/Green within the next 5 to 10 years……

    Good.

    …Most voters have probably never heard of Richard Di Natale,

    Isn’t he a Dr?

    …Whoever is advising, Jockey, now, is much smarter than last year … just where is Peta?..

    It only took languishing in the polls for 18 mths or so for them to realise they pissed off their core voting group, the >65’s.

    Talk about shitting in your own nest!

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2015 7:32 pm

    Now is definitely NOT the time to borrow and invest.

    For property investors they could be in real trouble if interest rates go back up to normal levels like say 8%.

    Now is the time to get out of debt. I just wish Australian voters support a govt that wants to run surplus budgets.

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:31 pm

    ”one wonders if the GFC would have had any impact on that at all?

    Hmmm…government revenue seems to dip for a year only (2008-09) , so for every year after that commonwealth revenue was higher than in 2006-07.

    So there was an impact on revenue for a single year, and since then there has been only prevarication about getting the budget in reasonable condition.

    (queue reply from Tom R – that Swan can’t be blamed)

    ww.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/5506.0Main%20Features22011-12?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=5506.0&issue=2011-12&num=&view=

  224. public toilet permalink
    May 7, 2015 8:34 pm

    The problem is that people have a nose for what’s ‘fair’, to a certain extent, Kneel.

    The way the current government attempted to get back to surplus smelled ideological and didn’t pass the ‘fair’ test to a lot of people.

    The Coalition are beholden to the privileged and go about making their alterations accordingly. A majority of people don’t belong to the ‘privileged’ category and respond accordingly.
    If there was widespread public support for the types of changes the Coalition wants to make, they’d have eased the changes through.

    I think it’s highly amusing that AbbottCorp thought they had enough political capital to try their unapologetic fetishes out in last year’s budget. In actuality, they gained government chiefly because the population had had enough of Rudd/Gillard Labor. ..not because of a lust for AbbottCorp.

  225. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 8:13 am

    Hmmm…government revenue seems to dip for a year only (2008-09) , so for every year after that commonwealth revenue was higher than in 2006-07.

    Thank you for confirming the success of Swans response to the GFC yomm. 😉 Of course, with that strength in our economy compared with the rest of the world, our dollar skyrocketed, making it very difficult for manufacturing (amongst others). But, after all of these years of complaint and outright denial, right there is evidence that what Swan and Labor did was the correct course of action, and not only saved us from recession, but provided the platform for the country to come back stronger and faster than other countries. The liberals course of action would have seen us sink into recession in 2008-09, and the following years returns would have been far less appealing. Looks like they are not too late to achieve that it turns out.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 8:28 am

    our dollar skyrocketed, making it very difficult for manufacturing

    Why?? Might make exports less attractive but i think local manufacturers get cheap imports with a high dollar or have i got that the wrong way around?

  227. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 8:49 am

    or have i got that the wrong way around?

    I really don’t think you have it any way round at all nIl.

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2015 8:50 am

    No, despite revenue returning to pre GFC levels, Swan couldn’t get spending under control – and he didn’t even have the senate to blame.

    What the figures demonstrate is that it is an expenditure problem, rather than a revenue one.

  229. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 8:59 am

    Oooh, poor ol howie’s gettin’ slandered ROFL (about bloody time)

    The first thing you won’t be hearing much about is the actually significant thing the government is doing in this budget: taking its first major steps to undo the disastrous budget damage, and even more disastrous budget politics, instigated during the Howard years.

    That is, it will be undoing some of the Howard push to re-engineer spending into an unending flow of new individual entitlements – that were never affordable beyond the resources boom – instead of directing funding through institutions.

    Child care funding is a classic of the genre, as is the spread of the “welfare safety net” to people who didn’t need it.

    You won’t hear about it in those terms because, well, one cannot cast aspersions on the sainted former leader and his brilliant government.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/the-policy-debates-you-will-not-hear-amid-the-budget-blather-20150507-ggwaze

    So, will we see screaming front pages with “class warfare”?

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 9:09 am

    Gee i wonder who Laura Tingle votes for??

    Why are Labor supporters so full of hate and dishonesty?

  231. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 9:19 am

    Swan couldn’t get spending under control

    Some learnin’s fer ya’ yomm 😉

    Why are Labor supporters so full of hate and dishonesty?

    Says nIls hatefully and dishonestly 🙂

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 9:22 am

    Koukoulas another nasty ALP supporter.

    Will the treasurer blithely accept the forecast for the unemployment rate to remain above 6% for the next couple of years?

    That is where it was for 13 years of Hawke/keating govt.

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:05 am

    So was I. I was in the car and nearly drove off the road.

    I didn’t know you could drive, ToSY … do you have a licence?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re: Pension changes …

    No need to eat humble pie … 🙂

    … ’cause they changed the minimum level (eg from $286,500 for the full pension of $34000 for a couple with home) to $375,000 … (and appropriate changes for single) …

    In fact the numbers seem to work out to a “reasonable” outcome from what I can see …

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:06 am

    Historically unemployment sits at a mean of around 6% …

  235. Laughing Walrus permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:08 am

    “Coalition never delivered a budget that cut govt spending in real terms. ALP did 5: 3 by Keating & 2 by Swan ”

    Lets include the NBN and see what that does to her statement.

  236. Laughing Walrus permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:09 am

    “Historically unemployment sits at a mean of around 6% …”

    Yep……….any lower and you are just left with a pool of scum to employ. Cream floats to the top. Mud tends to sink

  237. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:11 am

    Lets include the NBN and see what that does to her statement.

    I’m sure if we change the rules, anything can be made of anything, hey wally 😉

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:40 am

    Coalition never delivered a budget that cut govt spending in real terms. ALP did 5: 3 by Keating & 2 by Swan ”

    That statement by Koukoulas shows how dishonest the man is. Easily the biggest fraud to post i have ever seen.

    There are lies damn lies and statistics. If Labor is so good at cutting spending how come they never run surplus budgets?

  239. May 8, 2015 10:50 am

    tingle””””””’Politics rather than policy is likely to completely dominate the assessments of the budget: what it means for Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey; whether Bill Shorten can or will set up an aggressive alternative economic strategy and credentials.””””””’

    #it will also `dominate` the `contents` of said budget too, just don`t tell our brave `insider` Laura.

    #so far, blib hasn`t had or been an `alternative` anything really, and sweet laura should know this by now.

    #what it will only mean for eleventy and mr-rabbit is still, sink-or-swim together, they have pre-welded themselves to each other, they are a `team` and will continue to be so, until credlin decides otherwise, laura.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:54 am

    Yep……….any lower and you are just left with a pool of scum to employ.

    “Laughing Walrus” … 🙄 Wally, Wally, Wally … Widecrack Wisecrack Wally … 🙂

    I’m sure if we change the rules, anything can be made of anything, hey wally

    Like next weeks budget, TR, I understand that bills that haven’t (a hope) gone through the Senate yet are still included as savings … chuckle … in the real world that would be illegal …

    Easily the biggest fraud to post i have ever seen.

    Nah, I can think of one …

    how come they never run surplus budgets? … ’cause they actually DO stuff to advance society … Democracy 101 …

    … rather than line the pockets of Robber Barons … Tory Ideaology 01, 1001

  241. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 10:59 am

    #so far, blib hasn`t had or been an `alternative` anything really, and sweet laura should know this by now.

    “sweet laura” is aware of all of the alternative policies that the opposition has put up to date, barely halfway through a term, so would be aware just how stupid that statement would be.

    … in the real world that would be illegal …

    This grubmint left Kansas a long time ago TB 😉

  242. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:01 am

    All I know is, this budget is not going to be boring, no matter how much yabot and co want it to be.

    A late surge in iron ore prices has failed to lift the budget’s bottom line, with estimates suggesting it has probably deteriorated by about $1 billion in the past four weeks.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/federal-budget-2015-numbers-deteriorated-as-final-pieces-were-put-in-place-20150507-ggwipn.html?stb=twt

  243. May 8, 2015 11:01 am

    tingle”””””’In 1996, John Howard launched a war on indigenous organisations, starting with the then Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission. The charge was financial mismanagement.

    ATSIC certainly had its problems. But Howard at the same time also painted the articulate, young indigenous leadership that emerged during the Mabo negotiations, as Labor stooges and cast them into the political wilderness. His government systemically broke the institutional structures of Black Australia by cutting funding to the indigenous bodies like the land councils and health and legal services.

    Writing in this month`s The Monthly, Noel Pearson, describes a new `Aboriginal Industry` that has grown up in its place, which he says `is largely not comprised of black fellas, but a ##vast parasitic## industry## of government and private-sector## players`.””””””

    #lt is good to see pearson (and-tingle??) start acknowledging that `private`sector` (so=called free-market things) are actually `parasitic` and short-change the `consumer` on the `accountability` front. Not to mention the hefty slice of budget hoovered-off for `profits`.

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:09 am

    ’cause they actually DO stuff to advance society … Democracy 101 …

    Well then don’t brag about our AAA credit rating when it suits your purposes. Lefties like to post pictures of our still low govt debt. But it will not be low much longer. If we had hit the GFC with debt at 60% of GDP well we would have been cactus.

    And there goes your society.

  245. May 8, 2015 11:11 am

    tr”””””””sweet laura` is aware of all of the alternative policies that the opposition”””””””

    #is that more than `one` now, team-cheerer:-)

  246. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:21 am

    #is that more than `one` now, team-cheerer

    It has been for a considerable, #teamignorance 😉

    But it will not be low much longer.

    Nope, #hopelesshockey is making sure of that 😉

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:25 am

    Nope, #hopelesshockey is making sure of that

    And you winder why i call you a fraud. Name me one Labor govt either State of Federal that has left govt with debt lower than when they won office?

  248. May 8, 2015 11:27 am

    tingle””””””””’Unravelling the complexities of service delivery and debating their merits these days seems””””’

    #complete `cons` and abdication of responsibility/s have made it difficult-to-impossible in finding `merits` no matter how much `unravelling` they will `pretend` to do.

    tingle””””’beyond the capacity of modern politics or modern media.””””””

    #agree, and it is nice to see sweet laura opening the door to `self-awareness`

  249. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:42 am

    with debt lower than when they won office?

    Whitlam.

    #agree, and it is nice to see sweet laura opening the door to `self-awareness`

    I AGREE. Although, in Tingle’s defense, she is one of the few that rise above the fray.

  250. May 8, 2015 11:43 am

    team-cheerers shouldn`t bandy about teamignorance hashtags when `historical-fact` is not on their side. Only a few weeks ago team-blib was bragging about their `first` `very-own` policy, not a reheated kevin07-regime policy, not a reheated joolya-regime policy, not a reheated kevin13-policy.

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 11:50 am

    Whitlam.

    Well you have been doing your research. I meant to say since 1980.

    But Gough increased spending by 20%. But he also increased revenue by 20%. Also he was only in power for 2.5 years. Any longer and we would have been cactus.

  252. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 12:40 pm

    `historical-fact` is not on their side

    Says the ColouredCartonCounter ROFL

    Now you’re getting fussy about “reheated”. Well, does the fact that they have stated they remain committed, as they always have since the debate started, to pricing Carbon. Re-heated.

    + Multi-nationals, Super … yea, your counting sucks 😉

  253. May 8, 2015 12:40 pm

    tr”””””””in Tingle`s defense, she is one of the few that rise above the fray””””””

    #sweet laura is quite canny and mindful of her audience

    #when on my abc, sweet laura tends to display more wisdom and less teabag tendencies like `false-logic` as she understands the audience not-so-much teabag

    #likewise, sweet laura understands the afr audience is more teabag, so she tends to hide wisdom and give `weight` to `false-logic` and other teabag tendencies

  254. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 12:52 pm

    Historically unemployment sits at a mean of around 6% …

    What history are you talking about?? Under Menzies unemployment was at 2% and anybody who wanted a job could get one. i remember my Dad telling me that under menzies if you did not like your job you left and got another one.

    Under 23 years of Coalition rule unemployment was at 2% and anybody who wanted a job could get one. Then Gough was elected in 1972 and unemployment doubled to 4%.

  255. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 12:54 pm

    and anybody who wanted a job could get one.

    Unless you were Aboriginal or female of course 😉

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2015 1:04 pm

    Really??

    It is really bad that you have to back to 1972 to find a Labor govt that ran a surplus budget. But Gough exploded spending. luckily he matched explosive spending with explosive revenue. But also luckily he lost office after just 2.5 years. Any longer and deficits here we come.

    And unemployment was at 2% under Menzies. That is the history under the Coalition.

  257. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 1:06 pm

    history being the optimum word there nIls

    6.2 at the last shot in the dark guess care of a de-funded guestimation unit 😉

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2015 2:49 pm

    Has anyone noticed a subtle change in the writing style of, Kneel?

    The Young Liberals have swapped seats … interesting …

  259. May 8, 2015 2:53 pm

    “”Has anyone noticed a subtle change in the writing style of, Kneel?””

    Nope.

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2015 4:17 pm

    I’ve only noticed that there is one contributor who oscillates between illiterate and semi-literate.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2015 6:16 pm

    Nope.

    More “engagement” than before … and less “aggression” … more “detail” …

    Just read … May 8, 2015 1:04 pm … above

  262. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2015 6:57 pm

    ’ve only noticed that there is one contributor who oscillates between illiterate and semi-literate.

    I think that’s pretty harsh yomm.

    You don’t oscillate 😉

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2015 9:55 am

    Don’t panic: Joe Hockey’s budget more than just a mixed message:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/dont-panic-joe-hockeys-budget-more-than-just-a-mixed-message-20150508-ggwy5k.html

    …Having spent four years telling us that governments, like households, need to live within their means, on Tuesday he told mums and dads that households need to crack out the credit cards to keep the economy strong. According to the Treasurer “Now is the time (for households) to borrow and invest … invest in the things that help to create jobs”. No Joe, that’s the government’s job.

    Having had more positions on fiscal policy than the karma sutra, Joe Hockey has now invented one all of his own – he wants to outsource fiscal stimulus to Australian households. He wants Australian households to rack up more debt to help create jobs for their neighbours. This guy is actually our treasurer…

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 11:09 am

    Now is the time (for households) to borrow and invest

    I notice the journalist puts households in brackets. I would think that Hockey would be mainly speaking to small and big business.

    “No Joe, that’s the government’s job.”

    No it is the job of private industry to create jobs.

    But then Richard Dennis says this

    “The vast majority of economists believe that borrowing money to make good long run investments is good for the economy in the long run
    .

    I wish Richard Dennis would make up his mind.

    Richard Dennis like all Labor supporters is an immoral pig. A liar. A deceiver. A false prophet. And a nasty human being.

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2015 11:34 am

    …I notice the journalist puts households in brackets. I would think that Hockey would be mainly speaking to small and big business…

    No, he wasn’t, he was speaking of households.

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2015 11:42 am

    Scott Morrison steals the show:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/05/08/scott-morrison-star-performer/

    …Yet if it was merely a mix-up over diplomatic niceties, some key questions remain.

    Why did the ambassador insist on his partner remaining to greet the PM, and why did he later offer his resignation for doing so? How could a prime ministerial or diplomatic staffer be so clueless to put the PM in situation where he is seen to be snubbing a same-sex couple? And finally, who leaked the juicy foreign affairs incident to the media, and why?…

  267. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 11:48 am

    No, he wasn’t, he was speaking of households.

    Was he? Can you show me a link. Also i am not saying Hockey is stupid. I will say he is better than Swan. Swan is the dumbest, biggest liar and the most evil treasurer this country has ever had.

  268. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 1:39 pm

    OK Thanks TB. I have just got so used to leftoids telling me lies that i do not trust what you people say.

    Households? What are we supposed to invest in? Most households are struggling to survive.

  269. May 9, 2015 1:42 pm

    canberratimes”””””””Whether it is designed to deliver for the 1 per cent or the majority”””””””

    #l have no doubt which side the teabags will `deliver` for armchair, nothing will stop these imbeciles short of a sniper.

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2015 1:45 pm

    Most households are struggling to survive.

    I think most of us agree with that …

  271. May 9, 2015 1:45 pm

    on my abc, they said a bunch of teabags were caught with explosives by vic-plod, l guess mr-rabbit will be trotting out soon to say `death-cult` several times over very soon.

    #teabag.panic

  272. May 9, 2015 1:55 pm

    canberratimes”””””most actual economists think that cutting spending when the economy is slowing will make things worse, not better.

    But from the Coalition`s point of view, doctrine demands his first step should be to create ##panic (an `emergency` if you like) and then `rescue` the budget by cutting services and income support for low income earners. Fortunately for the economy, and unfortunately for Hockey, neither the Senate nor his own backbench will let him have another crack at

    ##the traditional Liberal play book##.”””””””””

    #ha-ha, teabag-panic being pointed out, along with usual teabag-bullshit, if the silly fcuks weren`t so busy trying to wreck the standard of living of the common worker/consumer, they`re own job wouldn`t be so difficult. lt is terrible the country depends on fools with less economic understanding than a first year high-school student.

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 1:56 pm

    And the recent interest rate cuts by the Reserve Bank are bad for people who are retired.

    I can see now why people are getting into property and Telstra shares. I suspect the recent rise in the telstra share price has a lot ton do with the drop in interest rates. The Telstra dividend is excellent.

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2015 3:54 pm

    lt is terrible the country depends on fools with less economic understanding than a first year high-school student.

    Agree with all of the above, tbagz …

    … to get money “multiplying” in the economy the government should be spending right now on infrastructure projects … even the early governors of NSW knew that FFS … its Economics 101 … and it would employ thousands of people from the mining industry (that’s what they do!) provide training and opportunities for school leavers … and churn $$ back into the economy … however, the infrastructure should have already begun!

    Problem the LNP has is that it simply seeks to make a profit for The Robber Barons …

    … instead of serving society to make it more efficient and effective, ensuring employees are paid a decent wage with good conditions to enable families to be content and productive and thus make a profit … the LNP prefer to spend money on non-productive ideological flim flammery …

    … even paying a decent age pension helps the economy but only if the pensioners are not concerned that the money they have will not be taken away … if they feel safe they will spend – thus greasing the wheels of free enterprise and the market economy …

    … remove treasure from the economy and it squeals to a halt … the reason that the Western economies are wheezing right now … too much wealth going one way and not being put back into the production/consumer cycle … pushing $$$ around on a computer screen is non productive but that’s where most of the wealth is being piddled around …

    Wealth isn’t trickling down (what a stupid concept) its gushing up like a broken water pipe … and we are running out …

  275. May 9, 2015 5:49 pm

    limited news”””””’Dull budget` is code for tinkering at the edges of required social and economic stimulation and change. This will be a budget devoid of courage and vision, this will be a budget to serve the interests of the governing Coalition in seeking re-election; it will not serve the interests of the people of Australia; it will rather aim to spin and deceive. Don’t be fooled, don’t succumb, serve it back to them, they are after all using our tax dollars to achieve their political goals.””””””’

    #Wow! that`s quite a pasting. l`m a bit surprised the limited-news trolls allowed that on their platform. l wonder why they`re allowing/posting such a wonderfully delicious slamming of mr-rabbit, eleventy and the budget. lt`s not like limited-news has a bullshit `quota` or anything. #Brilliant find teebz, ROFL-ed the whole way thru it:-)

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 6:11 pm

    Problem the LNP has is that it simply seeks to make a profit for The Robber Barons …

    Too bad the facts do not support your perverted beliefs. Under John Howard unemployment went from 8% to 4%.

  277. May 9, 2015 6:55 pm

    Well done knuckle-head. The ABS don`t even believe their own bullshit `un/employment` numbers. Junior teabags should definitely cling to them.

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2015 6:57 pm

    Yeah!!

    It’s better to guess.

  279. May 9, 2015 7:02 pm

    “The Vibe” is always preferable to the facts.

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2015 7:32 pm

    The ABS don`t even believe their own bullshit `un/employment` numbers.

    That is a little different to what lefties used to tell me.

    Lefties used to say that late one night the dastardly John Howard snuck into the ABS office and altered the way the unemployment rate was measured. Nobody knew about this except lefties who posted comments on blogs.

    If true after losing the elcection in 2007, Rudd/Gillard got the advantage of this dastardly act.

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2015 7:46 pm

    Personal experience is important in establishing things like the unemployment rate.

    I am 100% occupied, therefore I estimate the unemployment rate to be 0%

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2015 8:49 pm

    Roy Morgan would beg to differ.

    Australian real unemployment down to 10.4% (1.31 million) but under-employment increases to 9.0% (1.14 million)
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6221-roy-morgan-unemployment-estimates-april-2015-201505050235

    …1,137,000 Australians are under-employed, working part-time and looking for more hours – (9.0% of the workforce), up 63,000 since April 2014;

    Unfortunately 2,446,000 Australians are unemployed or under-employed – (19.4% of the workforce), up 72,000 since April 2014.

    Despite this month’s decrease the latest Roy Morgan unemployment estimate of 10.4% is still a substantial 4.3% higher than the figure currently quoted by the ABS for March 2015 (6.1%)…

  283. May 9, 2015 9:38 pm

    oh dear teabags, roy`s caught my `vibe`, again .. #2319

  284. May 9, 2015 9:55 pm

    2319”””Personal experience is important in establishing things like””’

    Who is telling lies, and, Who knows nothing.

  285. May 9, 2015 10:13 pm

    “”Who is telling lies, and, Who knows nothing.””

    Thanks for that Yoda, whatever the hell it’s meant to mean….. 😯

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2015 8:26 am

    What a stupidly biased article on housing prices … 23% is only a small percentage apparently … and there is no evidence that the Chinese are influencing the market … just that the buying is concentrated in Sydney and Melbourne and guess where the massive increase in prices has taken place … and who defends the Chinese? The foreign property financial providers and “analysts” … their advice to first home buyers – “go to another city” …

    China Towns all over the world … and buying up big in major cities … commercial invasion rather than military?

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2015 8:30 am

    Ooops you might want to read the article …

  288. May 10, 2015 9:26 am

    reb””””Thanks for that Yoda””’

    Well, during the next year, hypothetically, 2-million more people could be sacked and end-up on the `dole`. Under current bullshit, those 2-million would be sent to system-run ponzi-jobs for 1-hour a month and NOT classed as un-employed, while at the same time, still reporting `mythical-6`ish-percent` un-employment numbers. While `our` teabags will continue to swallow `mythical-6`ish-percent` un-employment` numbers as a `meaningful` or `true` metric, `roy` and l won`t be. #vibes

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2015 3:12 pm

    More Jockey Hogwash

    WOULD RENTS RISE?

    This is the big obstacle faced by the anti-neg gearing side: The notion that eliminating the concession would halt investment in rental properties and push up rents.

    “If you abolish negative gearing on investment properties, there’s a strong argument that rents would increase,” warned Treasurer Joe Hockey.

    The tax concession has been dumped only once, by Labor between 1985-1987, and, Mr Hockey said, “The net result was you saw a surge in rents.”

    Well, rents did rise but only in Sydney and Perth. The ABC fact checking unit has taken exception to Mr Hockey’s reading of history.

    “During the period that negative gearing was abolished real rents notably increased only in Sydney and Perth — where rental vacancies were at extremely low levels,” said the fact checking verdict.

    “This is inconsistent with arguments that negative gearing was a significant factor, with negative gearing likely to have a uniform impact on rents in all capital cities.

    “At the same time, high interest rates and the share market boom of the mid 1980s increased consumer demand for rental properties, encouraged existing investors to pass on high mortgage costs to renting consumers, and discouraged additional investors from investing in the rental property market.

    “While the rent increases in two cities did coincide with the temporary removal of negative gearing tax deductions, it is unlikely that change had a substantial impact on rents in any major capital city in Australia.

    “Mr Hockey’s claim doesn’t stack up.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/the-truth-about-negative-gearing/story-e6frfm1i-1227342622089

  290. May 10, 2015 4:09 pm

    my abc fact check”””””””’The verdict

    During the period that negative gearing was abolished real rents notably increased only in Sydney and Perth – where rental vacancies were at extremely low levels.

    This is inconsistent with arguments that negative gearing was a significant factor, with negative gearing likely to have a uniform impact on rents in all capital cities.

    At the same time, high interest rates and the share market boom of the mid 1980s increased consumer demand for rental properties, encouraged existing investors to pass on high mortgage costs to renting consumers, and discouraged additional investors from investing in the rental property market.

    While the rent increases in two cities did coincide with the temporary removal of negative gearing tax deductions, it is unlikely that change had a substantial impact on rents in any major capital city in Australia.

    Mr Hockey’s claim doesn’t stack up.”””””””’

    #ha ha teabags

    #while it is no surprise things eleventy says don`t pass muster,

    #what is surprising is, limited-news is now quoting my abc verbatim, `and` linking to my abc (they never used to)

    #what`s going on, has team-rupert tumbled right-off the tea-trolley:-)

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2015 5:40 pm

    I suspect that negative gearing costs taxpayers more than it should is because investors claim more than they should. Investors are allowed to maintain the status of the property but they cannot deduct the cost of capital improvements like renovating the kitchen. But since our tax system is an honor system i am sure lots of investors improve the property and then claim the improvement as a tax deduction.

    However i am not sure negative gearing is as lucrative as people think. You have to get capital growth of at least 5% every year to make a profit. And then you may get the tenants from hell who trash the property. While repairs are a tax deduction you never get all the money back from from the deduction.

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2015 7:05 pm

    Kneel, look up “capital gain” …

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 5:25 am

    Not sure what your point is. I did say you need capital growth/gain of 5%/year in the value of your investment property for negative gearing to be of value otherwise you would be better leaving your money in the bank.

  294. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 8:12 am

    lol. This budget hasn’t even been released yet and it’s already a fizzer, from their own team ROFL

    National party senators are joining the Labor party and the Greens in questioning the cuts to single income families’ benefits that the Abbott government says are essential to pay for the new childcare package that forms the centrepiece of its budget.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/10/nationals-senators-to-oppose-cutting-benefits-to-pay-for-childcare-package?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Not sure if it’s worth finding out what’s actually on offer because so much shit is already tied to it that even their own “coalition” won’t be a part of it 😯

  295. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 9:48 am

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:01 am

    happy mothers day!

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:03 am

  298. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:09 am

    Does abbott lying to people over his grand ppl scheme and now ripping Labors ppl scheme away from working mothers constitute “double dipping”?

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:13 am

    Tomr

    your post at 9.48AM is quite deceitful. We have been losing our manufacturing since the early 1980’s. For the bulk of this time Labor has been in power. making smartarse comments does nothing to solve any problems.

    We should have learned from the auto manufacturing fiasco that subsidies without performance guidelines do not work. Management and workers just gorge themselves on taxpayers money. With local manufacturing at 25% of the market in 2007 perhaps Holden/Toyota could have been told they would get even more money if local content went to 35%. Unfortunately it went to 10% under Labor.

    ALP policies almost never work.

  300. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:16 am

    your post at 9.48AM is quite deceitful.

    When has any previous Treasurer of any ilk told an employer to fuck off and take their jobs with them?

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:37 am

    Please correct me if I’m wrong…

    I had no idea that public servants (for example) could claim parental leave at full pay, then also claim the basic government scheme.

    That looks like a rort. Is anyone really opposed to getting rid of a rort?

  302. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:39 am

    Is that what Hockey said?? Perhaps you could post a link as to what Hockey actually said.

  303. May 11, 2015 10:45 am

    Tony Abbott says it’s a “complete invention” that Scott Morrison asked him for the Treasurer’s job. I guess that means it’s true then.

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:47 am

    Quick, to the barricades! Everyone to be on high alert and very alarmed for possible border breach by non white, non christian peoples.

    Rohingya Muslim boat people land in Indonesia, thousands more stuck at sea
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/rohingya-muslim-boat-people-land-in-indonesia-thousands-more-stuck-at-sea-20150510-ggygky.html

    The abandoned homeless should do everyone a favour and quietly die!

  305. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:53 am

    Is that what Hockey said?

    You know what he said, and that pretty much sums it up.

    I guess that means it’s true then.

    Yes, but what is “truth” in this new brave world where yesterday a gold plated ppl was VITAL, but today Labors existing and previously “lacking” ppl is now gratuitous

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:57 am

    Renting should top housing affordability policy, Senate committee says:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/10/renting-should-top-housing-affordability-policy-agenda-senate-committee-says?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …Coalition senators reject findings of report that also calls for a review of negative gearing and the appointment of a federal minister for housing…

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:03 am

    You know what he said, and that pretty much sums it up.

    As i suspected. You put your interpretation on the events. Hockey actually asked them to clarify their intentions.

    Holden/Toyota knew exactly where they stood.

    http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx

    The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.

    What happened for the one millionth time is that after Ford left they went back to the govt and asked for even more money. Approx double what was promised. It looks like they threatened the govt saying they would leave if they did not get the extra money. Hockey just wanted clarification about the intentions of Holden after Ford announced they were leaving.

  308. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:06 am

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:21 am

    For once i agree with you. The media should not be trusted. Mark hawthorne said in the article you posted that the Coalition was not going to give the car industry any money. WRONG. Funding was guaranteed until 2020.

    Hawthorne must vote for the same party as Hartcher who said Abbott was barking orders just before his plane was about to land that no same-sex couple should be meeting him.

    Hawthorne is a liar and hartcher is a liar. And so are you.

    Hockey wanted clarification because Holden was threatening he govt.

  310. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:22 am

    I see that libs continue to lie even after they leave politics

    Bill Shorten should be pinned down to explain his laughable notion that the current pension is sustainable in the long term.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/budget-2015-what-joe-hockey-should-be-announcing-tomorrow-night-20150510-ggxah7.html

    amanda should be pinned down for her claim methinks 😉

  311. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:28 am

    WRONG. Funding was guaranteed until 2020.

    This the same funding that the libs just re-instated? 😉

  312. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:30 am

    Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp is ATO’s top tax risk:
    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/tax/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-is-atos-top-tax-risk-20150510-ggy6cf

    ..The Australian Taxation Office has only one company in its highest risk category for tax avoidance – Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation…

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:30 am

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:32 am

    This the same funding that the libs just re-instated?

    That statement just reaffirms my belief that you are a person with no honesty. You are just full of deceit. Funding was there until 2020 provided they stayed in Australia.

    It was Holden who threatened Hockey. They wanted double what was promised after Ford left.

  315. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:36 am

    You are just full of deceit.

    ROFL

  316. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:40 am

  317. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 11:47 am

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    May 11, 2015 12:04 pm

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    May 11, 2015 12:14 pm

  323. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 12:19 pm

    Labor cut $15 billion out of Family Tax Benefit payments when they were in Government

    Was that part of their “waste”, or was that just bullshit too?

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 12:36 pm

    ROFL

    i don’t find it funny at all.

    It was Holden who threatened Hockey. Give us double what we were promised or we will leave.

    There were no funding cuts as you stated. You should take your own advice. Do not believe anything a journalist says. Especially those who vote Labor.

    You were fooled by Hartcher. hartcher says that with a million things to do before Abbott lands in France he does not get someone who works for him but Abbott himself is on the phone making sure there is no same-sex couple waiting when he arrives,

    Says all i need to know about you and your morality that you believed crap like that.

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  326. May 11, 2015 12:41 pm

    Did team-cheerers notice the uk-election result. lt seems the uk-voters dumped their teabag-lites en-mass, it seems their blib-like candidate got smashed. As l`ve been saying for a while now, `teabag-lite` is not much of a selling point.

    #watch.out.blib

  327. May 11, 2015 12:45 pm

    So, has the budget been rejected yet. #teabag.panic

  328. May 11, 2015 12:54 pm

    Geeze Nils is trying deflective car industry troll aversion therapy to abrade his high anxiety af the prospect of trying feebly to defend another disastrous Fiberal government that is subject to the last budget being passed… which hasnt..
    What arrogance….
    Well tit proves one thing Fiberals are incapable of governing, highly unpopular, scarily dysfunctional, totally incompetent, incapable of negotiation and fiscally useless..

    No surprises the adults are in charge?

    Surely this is Hokeys last stand.. Corman is running around babbling about cutting jobs and another efficiency commission show and tell.. is this guy for real?

    Bring on an election for fuck sake.. i’d even settle for shortman over this lot who have proved to be everything the promised they would not and make Labors dysfunctionality look positivly glorious.

  329. May 11, 2015 1:12 pm

    vanstone”””””Shorten should be pinned down to explain his laughable notion that the current pension is sustainable in the long term””””””

    #ha ha, mandy vanstone doesn`t seem to realize blib isn`t the `budgeteer` and her boy eleventy is. Clearly sweet mandy doesn`t have fcuking clue when it comes to what the public/voters want either, she just wasted much of her post telling the viewer what blib isn`t doing, which is useless, and NOT telling the viewer what they need to know, that is, what is happening. ls it any wonder the press can`t sell their product. lnstead the will continue to pave their way to oblivion with this type of horse-shit.

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 2:24 pm

    Maurice Newman v the UN: logic behind the crazy:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-11/sparrow-maurice-newman-v-the-un/6460160

    …The call of a “new world order” is a key phrase in the lexicon of paranoiacs. So why is the chairman of Tony Abbott’s Business Advisory Council using the term to talk about climate change and the UN? Jeff Sparrow writes…

    …It’s a rhetoric instantly recognisable to anyone familiar with fringe politics in the United States. The “New World Order” is a key phrase in the lexicon of American paranoiacs, a term ubiquitous on the websites of gun nuts, religious fanatics and survivalists…

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2015 2:32 pm

    Topping up seems sensible, but aren’t there people claiming BOTH the government scheme based on the minimum wage, and an employer funded scheme based on thier actual earnings?

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  334. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 3:02 pm

    based on thier actual earnings

    I think you mean “thei’re” yomm

    #justsayin’ 🙂

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  338. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2015 3:57 pm

    One of the better photos of Hockey, silly old bear that he is.

  339. May 11, 2015 4:29 pm

    smh””””’Shorten had tweeted of the story: `I sincerely hope this isn’t true`.

    Within minutes, Mr Gibbons had responded directly to Mr Shorten, writing: `Mate, you have to toughen the f—up, you are constantly letting Abbott off the hook, Beazely [sic] did the same #hopeless”””””””

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/toughen-the-f-up-former-labor-mp-attacks-bill-shorten-over-abbott-story-20150505-gguuji.html

    #even blib`s former co-workers aren`t happy with blib`s performance

    #l think this quote sums things up well, and l still think caucus over-riding the membership`s vote for albo will probably bite them in the arse, keeping in mind the uk-rejection of their teabag-lite

  340. May 11, 2015 4:59 pm

    my abc”””’Why does Newman flirt with the rhetoric of bonkderom?”””

    #funny how noddy and bananasby are the names that turn-up in a post with the word `bonkerdom` in it.

  341. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 5:05 pm

  342. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2015 5:09 pm

    #l think this quote sums things up well

    So sayeth the coloured carton counters of Australia!

  343. May 11, 2015 5:19 pm

    defending shonky abs numbers won`t get blib over the line team-cheerer

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2015 5:21 pm

    So the public service is launching a huge industrial campaign!

    1. Don’t fill out flexi time sheet
    2. Leave the tea bags in the sink
    3. Don’t do up top button of cardigan
    4. Take 17 minutes for morning tea

  345. May 11, 2015 5:29 pm

    The next week or so, in political deviance, will likely prove interesting.

    Seems to me that even News.com is (admittedly softly) launching some preemptive undermining of The Budget.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/the-stinker-budget-that-wasnt-abbott-governments-litany-of-backdowns/story-e6frfmci-1227350609100

  346. May 11, 2015 5:38 pm

    on my sbs, they were talking about risdon prison in tasmania, the co$t per day, per prisoner is 300-bucks, which works out to (x365) $109,500-pa.

    #those teabags, that think `cutting` the fcuk out of everything, and `pushing` people towards crime is some kind of `savings` measure should get their head read.

  347. May 11, 2015 5:45 pm

    your post at 9.48AM is Every post I troll is quite deceitful.

    Pretty sure unlike Pokeys budget there is wide consensus on that, If fact you could use the term Mandate.
    Even Swaney agrees

  348. May 11, 2015 6:00 pm

    Who’s up for playing Budget Night Bingo tomorrow night?

  349. May 11, 2015 6:30 pm

    Can’t drink before Nightshift, reb, but will be around checking out the fallout & precipitous downward spiral.

    I’m rather convinced that Abbott’s fucked because even News.com is cracking in (softly).

    Not sure who they think’s gonna improve their (conservative) stocks?

    Honestly, the country is on a downward spiral…and political pom-pom girls on either side make it perilous to navigate.

  350. May 11, 2015 6:42 pm

    “”Honestly, the country is on a downward spiral…and political pom-pom girls on either side make it perilous to navigate.””

    Agreed. I (almost) pity the fools who would heed Joe Hockey’s advice to “borrow and invest” in today’s economic climate.

    In the words of Leonard Cohen – “there’s a mighty judgement coming (although I could be wrong)”

  351. May 11, 2015 6:52 pm

    “I (almost) pity the fools who would heed Joe Hockey’s advice to “borrow and invest” in today’s economic climate.”

    Yes, that was frighteningly shameful advice from a cornered political opportunist.

    Leonard plumbs the relevant depths.

  352. May 11, 2015 6:53 pm

    So Long Maryanne…

    * Maryanne= National ascent

  353. May 11, 2015 7:19 pm

    Joe Hockey’s ‘Netflix Tax’ end result = Australian consumers paying more tax (note: not Netflix et al paying more tax) + fuck you Joe Hockey = VPN & even more rationale to plunder the internet by stealth.

    Well done, fuckheads.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/11/budget-2015-to-include-netflix-tax-and-greater-powers-to-deal-with-avoidance

  354. May 11, 2015 7:47 pm

    yeah agree dunny, tho l do think the `netflix`/google whatever tax is more about a greater scheme of retaining the elites power over/ability to oppress the common plebs, as the interwebs have been able to relegate much more equality. l reckon the canberra zombies envy china bitterly over the censorship ability china has wielded, and are thus, wanting the same for themselves. Tewwa, netflix tax, nambla, are all just the `excuses` they are using to sell their trolling laws wishlist.

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 7:55 pm

    Crikey [paywall] Says

    …A weak Hockey is bad for Abbott

    It’s hard to recall a budget in the modern era that has been delivered by so wounded and humiliated a treasurer. It now appears to be open season on Joe Hockey even before he stands up to deliver the government’s second budget tomorrow night.

    The embarrassment for Hockey yesterday, of fronting the key pre-budget interview with Laurie Oakes and not being able to discuss the centrepiece of the budget, despite the childcare announcement having been lavished on News Corp’s Sunday tabloids, was bad enough. But the Treasurer was also given the task of revealing the downside of the package — that women who had access to employer-funded childcare would be punished for “double-dipping” and not be eligible for taxpayer-funded parental leave.

    Suddenly the reason for Hockey’s poor body language in recent days is clear. There has plainly been a decision by Tony Abbott and his office to reward Scott Morrison at the expense of Hockey, who looks increasingly as if he is being lined up to take the fall if the budget fails to deliver a revival for Abbott. The News Corp newspapers have clearly been given the green light to go after the Treasurer. And this morning, astonishingly, Morrison compared Hockey to Greg Bird, a rugby league player of ill repute who is currently sidelined during the most important part of the rugby league calendar.

    But if Abbott thinks he can simply offload his Treasurer at his convenience, he’s wrong. An effective treasurer is a core part of an effective government. For however long a wounded and humiliated Hockey continues to occupy the role, the government will under-perform. And what if Hockey decides he’s not going to go quietly? The treatment of Hockey is worse than shabby — it looks profoundly ill-advised…

  356. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2015 8:04 pm

    Be interesting what unprincipled comments Labor supporters make about the budget.

    Labor supporters have no principle. The budget could be perfect but you lot would find something to condemn.

  357. May 11, 2015 8:14 pm

    “Labor supporters have no principle.”

    I think you mean “principles.”

  358. May 11, 2015 8:26 pm

    Neil always displayed such impeccable principles in his political orations too.

  359. May 11, 2015 8:27 pm

    the last para is quaint,

    crikey”””””if Abbott thinks he can simply offload his Treasurer at his convenience, he`s wrong.”””

    #credlin will off-load eleventy when ready, and the rest of the teabags will fall into line.

    crikey””””’An effective treasurer is a core part of an effective government.”””’

    #crikey is making the false assumption that eleventy and mr-rabbit `can` be `effective`, crikey should know better.

    crikey”””’For however long a wounded and humiliated Hockey continues to occupy the role, the government will under-perform.”””””

    #here too, crikey should know better. There is no `excellence` to be found in these zombies and can only `under-perform`, it`s the mentality.

    crikey””””And what if Hockey decides he`s not going to go quietly? The treatment of Hockey is worse than shabby — it looks profoundly ill-advised”””””

    #kicking and screaming.? So fcuking what crikey. The teabags will toe the line as usual, and eleventy will be on the `outer` with them in a Costello-esque fashion.

  360. May 11, 2015 8:30 pm

    damn, forgot to ask before clicking `post`, hey armchair, any goodies on the wa-uni/Lomborg lately from behind the `great-wall` of crikey.

  361. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 8:46 pm

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 8:57 pm

    damn, forgot to ask before clicking `post`, hey armchair, any goodies on the wa-uni/Lomborg lately from behind the `great-wall` of crikey.

    sure thing bagz 🙂

    Please scroll past if annoyed by lengthy cut & paste

    …Why the right hates universities so much: Guy Rundle

    The Bjorn Lomborg fiasco is symptomatic of an all-out war being waged by the right on the intelligentsia since the ’60s.

    For some years, the right has been conducting an assault on the university — more particularly the humanities, which are the university. That began in the 1960s, as much of the humanities began to use various critical theories, such as Marxism and psychoanalysis, to analyse culture and everyday life. This period had waned by the 1980s, as the dreaded “post-structuralism” and “deconstruction” took over. The critical theories had argued that it was possible to discover “truth”, and that these truths often exposed oppression and ideology — the idea that “the great books” enforced sexism, racism etc. This was criticised from the right as the era of “tenured radicals”. They should have been relieved when deconstruction, etc, came along, which argued that any grand theory, including Marxism, etc, were founded on contradiction, and no simple big Truth could be stated.

    But that only seemed to drive them a bit crazier. In the last 20 years the right has been so infuriated by the stubborn refusal of the university to simply admit the eternal Truth of liberalism and simply shut up shop, they have begun to propose intervention. In the US, the right began to propose that state-funded universities should mandate equal employment between “liberal” and “conservative” thinkers. This bizarre form of affirmative action was comical, but its intent was sinister — to control the process of free thought in a university by means of the state. The relentless assault on the humanities — done locally by Institute of Public Affairs figures such as John Roskam — gives the lie to the claim of “defence of freedom”. The right don’t like the fact that thinking in the humanities does not go in their direction, and they regard defence of the university principle — the place where thought should go where it will, without reference to current political or practical considerations — as unimportant.

    The Bjorn Lomborg fiasco can be seen in this light. Having the government ginger up a “dissident” climate unit and attach it to a university isn’t the advance of freedom, it’s a co-option of it. Universities should be funded and then make their own choices of academics and researchers, according to their own standards. Such standards might well rule Lomborg out, since his principal arguments against any notion of catastrophic climate chance are — like all climate change deniers — based on picking one to three year stretches of observation, and expanding them to argue a general case.

    The belated decision of UWA to act like a university and reject funding for the centre has sent the right into a frenzy with two op-eds, an editorial and a cartoon in the Oz, and a full column from Andrew Bolt, all speaking with one voice to condemn “groupthink”. What nonsense. The university’s academics have taken a stand against the state trying to directly control inquiry — who does it and how they’re chosen. That is the freedom of the university against the state, something these guys are meant to take seriously. But as we’ve seen numerous times since the election of the Abbott government, when you control the state, you start to be less picky about how much of it you criticise…

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 9:15 pm

    Over at JoNova they got pretty incensed

    Lomborg’s Centre cancelled: UWA caves in to bullies who use anger to silence debate:
    http://joannenova.com.au/2015/05/lomborgs-centre-cancelled-uwa-caves-in-to-bullies-who-fight-to-silence-debate/

  364. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 9:16 pm

  365. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 9:18 pm

  366. May 11, 2015 9:29 pm

    The budget could be perfect but you lot would find something to condemn.

    Hey fuckwit, they haven’t passed the first budget which was unanimously rejected..

    They couldn’t even negotiate through any amendments it was such a piece of draconian social engineering wrapped around lies masquerading as fiscal prudence…

    Now the second budget has measures conditional to passing the unanimously rejected first budget after they have doubled the deficit that they promised they would fix because it was a, dire emergency…. 🙄

    Don’t think they are off to a good start… they have proved to be an atrocious government, monumentally incompetent and dysfunctionally the worst, bar none, in Australia’s history.

  367. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:01 pm

    I like budget bingo but I’ll be out of town. I usually finish up pissed, so reb should ask Hockey to do bis budget speech on a Friday night. Or maybe Morrison next time.

  368. May 11, 2015 10:02 pm

    thanks armchair, it`s a goodie:-)

    crikey”””’universities should mandate equal employment between `liberal` and `conservative` thinkers”””

    #this shows how looney the teabags are, uni-profs are `nerds` much more interested in their field of `nerdishness` and won`t want to be wasting their time and efforts arguing the toss with deniers dressed-up as false prophets declaring the globe is still flat. (my bet too, the profs are probably the same as the rest of us, with an 80ish percent of dislike/distrust of the political dickheads)

    #l`m still punting the other uni`s will follow wa-uni on lomborgs ipa-echo chamber:-)

  369. May 11, 2015 10:31 pm

    Hey Kitty great reply Article by Will J Grant responding to paid IPA lobbyist, now ring in human rights commissioner Tim Wilson
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/universities-censor-bad-ideas-all-the-time-tim-wilson-its-called-learning

  370. May 11, 2015 10:37 pm

    Timboss May 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm · Reply Perhaps Jo, with all your experience publishing peer-reviewed science, could take up the position instead.

    +

    Joanne Nova May 8, 2015 at 11:01 pm · Reply Perhaps Timboss, if you were proud of your arguments you might use your name?

    +

    #`nova` kicked an `own-goal` her real name is codling

    #got tetchy being asked about HER `peer-reviewed-science`

    #l normally don`t bother with nova-clap-trap, but codlings obedient critter hyperventilating over lomborg is quite funny

  371. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2015 10:38 pm

    Universities ‘censor’ bad ideas all the time, Tim Wilson. It’s called learning:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/universities-censor-bad-ideas-all-the-time-tim-wilson-its-called-learning

    The Bjorn supremacy – is Australia getting the climate advice it deserves?:
    http://theconversation.com/the-bjorn-supremacy-is-australia-getting-the-climate-advice-it-deserves-40716

    ….As such, one has to have some sympathy for Lomborg, who is a strange kind of “climate change refugee”. In 2012, the Danish government pulled all funding from his centre. Since, he has only set up shop in countries that have strong climate change-denying lobbies – both in the private sector and within mainstream media. He has enjoyed this in the US.

    Lomborg operates by attaching himself to these centres as an adjunct professor, which will be his title at UWA, rather than a staff member. This offers the freedom to command remuneration well above a professorial salary – such as the US$775,000 he was paid in 2012 by the CCC and the US$200,484 paid for his work in 2013…

  372. May 11, 2015 11:08 pm

    wilson/guardian””””””’culture that tolerates dissent and allows for challenging ideas”””””””””

    #that shows, yet again, ricky, the teabag cranks are wrong. A proper `uni-culture`, in the vast majority of topics, would be to educate students with `proven` facts.

    #The wa-uni is not prohibiting lomborgs `free-speech`, lomborg is free to speak in other places, such as limited-news or teh-ipa that support `crank`, denier` and the rest of `teabag-culture`.

  373. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 8:27 am

    That lomberg shite is all that is wrong with this grubmint. They tried to implement a political position into a University, with someone who not only reflects their obvious political position, but is also an academic minnow.

    The list of academic takedowns of his novels is quite extensive and compelling, which alone should be enough to prove the argument against his position there. But add to that the bumbled process by which this think tank was thrust onto the Uni, which is now shown to be entirely from within the grubmint, and I cannot recall anything similar before. There are channels and processes by which Universities choose these things, none of which were followed. Good luck to them finding another Uni to push their denialism.

    And wilson is a prize class toss-pot himself. That tweet above AO I along with quite a few others replied to. His stock standard reply was “Clearly didn’t read article …”, which, if you read the replies, was quite obviously wrong. It seemed like his dismissive way of silencing any argument. Or just a vain attempt to get people to read it. Which was a disappointment because it was so vacuous and obviously partisan. But, I guess that’s Freedom in the newspeak.

    As for the Netflix tax, I’m not overly upset. I understand they probably won’t make any actual dollars out of it, but, I’m also not a fan of having one delivery system taxed without another. And that’s from a Netflix #fanboy. What I am incredulous about is their focus on foxtels/ruperts competitors, but that’s where they draw the line. “Strengthening” powers for a department from which they have slashed so much that no amount of powers will enable them to do anything is, quite obviously, the same as doing nothing, especially without changing the rules, because, as we have seen, what the multi-nationals are doing, is not currently illegal. Much ado about nothing.

  374. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 8:48 am

    Employers will respond to new restrictions on paid parental leave by dumping their own schemes, business leaders warn.

    …..

    The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry warned that employers would respond by getting rid of their own schemes, denying the government the $1 billion in savings it anticipates.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/budget-2015-employers-will-dump-parental-leave-business-leaders-say-20150511-ggyq2d

    All this will do is reduce the ppl available for those on lower incomes. Which is obviously the aim.

    But since abbott took a gold plated bribe to the election, this hypocrisy and clear attack on Australian women, of substance or not, needs to be hung about his neck as the Albatross it clearly should be.

    Not only that, this reduction in the ppl scheme comes with kicking people by removing FTB, and tying any grubmint payment to nothing but childcare. What about those who choose to have a parent at home? What about those who have no option?

    What the hell happened to “choice”. Dictators telling us we MUST use childcare, from the party of alleged “choice”

  375. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 9:02 am

    Now we see why there has been a spate of highly visible “tewwa” waids without any actual outcome/clarification/ information.

    SPY agencies and counterterrorism units will be among the big winners from today’s Budget with a $450 million boost to track down and capture terrorists before they strike.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/federal-budget-450m-boost-to-foil-terrorists-before-they-strike/story-fnii5s3x-1227350934824

    One would hope with all this additional funding they might actually be able to find somehting more than a plastic sword, should it even be there.

    But, how the tables have turned. Why, just yesterday (figuratively speaking), it was all about Labors profligacy, but now, they were such tight arses the nothing worked (even though, there has been a spate of highly visible “tewwa” waids without any actual outcome/clarification/ information. )

    Mr Abbott said he believed the threat of terrorist attacks was growing, despite the resources being pumped into the national security architecture — which had been run down under the former Labor government’s efficiency dividend budget cuts.

    Yea, our “Death cult” pm reckons the “Death cults are becoming more Death cultish, (and Labor didn’t “waste” enough to stop the death cults)

    I wonder if it ever occurs to them that the more they malign people, the more death cultish they become. I wonder…………..

    But, haven’t we always been at war with death cults? 😯

    A shame they won’t be able to find anything in the budget for the home grown terrors – such as homelessnesss, hunger, domestic abuse……………

  376. May 12, 2015 9:28 am
  377. May 12, 2015 9:31 am

    An extra one billion dollars for national security… I shit you not.

  378. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 9:52 am

    I shit you not.

    Sorry reb, that shits me 😦

  379. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 10:46 am
  380. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:15 pm

    Costello was the most profligate Treasurer in history, he is the source of the structural deficit – see Good Fight

    Looks like it is permanent. Labor Party politicians and their supporters cannot stop telling lies. Why did Swan brag about his tax cuts if we had a revenue problem??

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    “The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.

    Wayne Swan May 2013.

    Swan even has a column showing how much bigger his tax cuts were compared to Costello.

    Wayne Swan is a shocking liar. Just like TomR

  381. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:26 pm

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    May 12, 2015 12:27 pm

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    May 12, 2015 12:28 pm

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:34 pm

    I think I posted a link a couple of days ago that showed that government revenue returned quite quickly after a dip in 2008 due to the GFC. Despite the return in revenue, Swan continued to plough money into school halls including those of really, really ((really) expensive private ones.

    He also continued to install home insulation only to have it removed later.

    $900 cheques anyone?

    Swan spent despite the country not getting within 4% of his forecast of 10.5% unemployment.

    (Hockey is a dill too, particularly his – “borrow and spend” suggestion. How does he think we got into this crap?)

  385. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:42 pm

    Swan continued to plough money into school halls

    It’s yawnyomm time again, going over the same old rebutted crap like a broken watch that starts at the number 13.

    THE Australian economy grew at a much slower pace in the first quarter than at the end of last year as the withdrawal of Kevin Rudd’s economic stimulus to combat the GFC, surprising weakness in business investment and sluggish growth in export volumes took some of the steam out of activity.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/mining-sector-investment-to-speed-up-recovery-from-slowdown/story-e6frg926-1225874550046

  386. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:42 pm

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:50 pm

  388. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 12:52 pm

    Now it’s a miracle the deficit smaller.

    And yet still far larger than projected by Treasury under Labor.

  389. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:03 pm

    And yet still far larger than projected by Treasury under Labor

    You mean like this prediction under Labor

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    Wayne Swan 8/5/2012.

    I have to say it again TomR. You are so deceitful and a perfect fit for the ALP.

  390. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:10 pm

    You mean like this prediction under Labor

    Or Hockeys at the time 😉

    How much did he give away to the Reserve Bank that they didn’t request and tried to pin that on Labor too 😉

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:27 pm

    As usual. No apology for Swans prediction which he made in May 2012. Just look over there.

    You believe Hartcher, you believe treasury. Do you have any discernment?

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:36 pm

    Tom R, the fact is that there was a year of lower revenue, after that it returned to pre GFC levels

  393. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:42 pm

    Do you have any discernment?

    Well, I can discern you are a fucken idiot 😉

    the fact is that there was a year of lower revenue, after that it returned to pre GFC levels

    Thank Dog Swan 😉

    Although, to be honest yomm, no, you didn’t post a link, you posted a garbled text that might have said anything

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/05/04/4794/#comment-103473

  394. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2015 1:50 pm

    Well, I can discern you are a fucken idiot

    Really?? At least i am not a liar. I have never seen any Labor supporter condemn Swans prediction he made in his budget speech as Treasurer of Australia in May 2012 that we would have surplus budgets for the next 4 years.

    Just imagine the comments if Costello had made that prediction and it never happened.

    I was going to call you a fool TomR. But you are worse than that. You as a master of deceit, a false prophet and you are just a deceiver. You do this of your own free will and you do not care what damage you do.

  395. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2015 2:00 pm

    I have never seen any Labor supporter condemn Swans prediction he made in his budget speech as Treasurer of Australia in May 2012 that we would have surplus budgets for the next 4 years.

    Well that kinda makes you a liar really doesn’t it, cos I said it was stoopid.

    and you are just a deceiver

    Oh, I thought I was more than that 😉

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2015 4:14 pm

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    May 12, 2015 4:26 pm

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2015 5:28 pm

    In transit on budget night. That’s poor planning.

  399. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2015 6:16 pm

    Ah we having our annual drinking game tonight

    Here is my selection

    Deficit
    Surplus
    Taxes
    Spending
    Revenue
    Madam Speaker

  400. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2015 6:18 pm

    “Joe Hockey’s ‘Netflix Tax’ end result = Australian consumers paying more tax”

    Joe Hockey’s ‘Netflix Tax’ end result = Australian consumers paying correct tax

    Fixed it for you !

  401. May 12, 2015 6:22 pm

    “Ah we having our annual drinking game tonight”

    Don’t know, but I’ll be around.

    (I think you mean ‘are’.)

  402. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2015 6:24 pm

    “(I think you mean ‘are’.)”

    I think I meant “Are……”

  403. May 12, 2015 6:36 pm

    😀

  404. May 12, 2015 6:53 pm

    “Ah we having our annual drinking game tonight”

    Jesus, you lot are a pack of fickle cnuts. I asked the question yesterday and no one seemed interested… Anyhoo here it is!!!!

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/05/11/budget-night-bingo-live-drinking-game/

  405. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2015 11:31 am

    cos I said it was stoopid.

    Did you make any funny captions about Swans statement. here it is again on budget night to all of Australia in may 2012

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    Wayne Swan 8/5/2012.

    It is already looking like Hockeys predictions are more careful than Swans

  406. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2015 1:35 pm

    Even more proof that TomR is a liar. He said that Hockey threatened Holden. It was actually the other way around. Holden threatened Hockey and the Commonwealth.

    They also threatened Gillard. From when the ALP was in power.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/holden-job-cuts-threaten-car-handouts-20130408-ji0m5

    “Holden threatened to leave Australia last year unless the $275 million was forthcoming and the federal government hopes to calm things down.

    Well thank goodness those deadbeats have left. Evil human beings who gorged themselves on generous taxpayers subsides. Both management and workers paying themselves higher and higher salaries and caring about nobody but themselves.

  407. Team Have Ago permalink
    May 14, 2015 10:35 am

    “Madam Speaker, this Government knows there are many Australians who want a job and can’t get one. As part of our economic plan, we are doing more to help.”

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