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What the Halal is Going On?

May 15, 2015

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First it was the guy in the chocolate shop, then it was the 17 year old kid who went overseas and blew himself up, then it was the news that Vegemite is linked to the ISIL “Death Cult,” now it’s speculation that “strict Islamic practices” are being introduced in an Islamic college in South Australia.  And all this as the US declares that a terrorist attack in Australia is now “likely.”
Just what the Bloody Halal is going on…..??!!!

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  1. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2015 3:21 pm

    I BLAME THE DEAF CUNT!

  2. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2015 3:22 pm

    oops, that was meant to be death cult 😯

    Dangerous days for spell checkers 😆

  3. May 15, 2015 6:30 pm

    If you build it…They Will Squirt…

    That is what is going on.

  4. May 15, 2015 7:49 pm

    Yeah! Manufacturing Consent.

    Wake up, sheeple!

  5. May 15, 2015 8:05 pm

    on my abc, reportland had women aged-35+ freezing their eggs for future breeding desires, l wonder if that`s `halal` (or-kosher)

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2015 9:46 pm

    Yeah! Women shouldn’t be able to use scientific advancement for family planning – “future breeding desires” just isn’t natural.

  7. May 15, 2015 9:54 pm

    Yeah!

    Fearsquirting isn’t a valuable political commodity at all.

  8. May 15, 2015 9:56 pm

    Yeah!

    Because cynical manipulative rhetoric & overstating threats never proves to be a useful tool of government, ever.

  9. May 15, 2015 10:31 pm

    Depps dogs look like Jihadists

  10. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 15, 2015 11:55 pm

    Yes PPL double dips by public servants is just so important because it’s bordering on misogyny to criticise it

    But did any of you fucking Lefties say much about this today. Oh I forgot they are your woman and gay hating Jihadis so that’s ok

    Brothers to the front Sisters to the back

    You fucking hypocrites

    http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307

  11. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 16, 2015 12:18 am

    Can’t wait until we send black people to the back of the bus.

    I do hope there’s no one called Rosa Parks on that bus.

    Wake up you brain dead Lefties !

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2015 1:22 pm

    GFWB … and you call others hypocrites?

    Don’t get too cocky … Negative gearing will hit the skids … I see property prices are skyrocketing!

  13. May 16, 2015 1:25 pm

    This is what turning back the boats looks like. 1000s starving out of sight, out of mind.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/boat-people-photos_n_7283178.html

  14. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2015 2:22 pm

    PPL double dips by public servants

    Does that mean that “women of substance” in the private sector aren’t “double dipping”?

    This is what turning back the boats looks like

    This is what turning back the boats has encouraged in other nations. We lead the world in one thing at least, the race to shed our humanity.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2015 6:48 pm

    Yep, public servants get a legislated standard that is designed for the public service, then sign up for the extra 18 weeks at the minimum wage.

    That is double dipping.

  16. May 16, 2015 9:50 pm

    Yes, it`s quite impressive that our nations latest and greatest `export` is blue-printing the great act/s of bastardy on the high-sea against frighted, hungry, fleeing brown people. Once again, both our `teams` have been equally crap towards boat-people, and once again, another issue we have no standing on. #yay.canberra

  17. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2015 8:34 am

    Yep, public servants get a legislated standard that is designed for the public service

    In a bargaining process where pay rates etc are often bargained away for better workplace conditions. abbot now wants to take those conditions, which had been bargained for in good faith, away from them.

    then sign up for the extra 18 weeks at the minimum wage.

    Just like everyone else in the country is able to.

    hat is double dipping.

    That’s the recommendation of the productivity commission. Even his own stacked Commission of Audit report didn’t call it “double dipping”.

    And from memory, no grubmint has ever called working parents doing precisely what a policy is designed to do as “rorters”. That’s just fucken low.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2015 9:08 am

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2015 9:33 am

    Notice both morrison and hockey are now denying that they ever called mums rorters and fraudsters – team abbott, just one stuff up after another!

    Govt to unemployed: get a job, ya bum, even if there are none:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/05/14/govt-to-unemployed-get-a-job-ya-bum-even-if-there-are-none/

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2015 9:54 am

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2015 10:06 am

    The mixed messages of Hockey’s budget:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/05/16/the-mixed-messages-hockeys-budget/14316984001886#.VVfY5vmqqko

    …It has left Liberal MPs, who are thrilled by other popular budget measures, perplexed about the government’s messaging and hoping the brouhaha will blow over. “I think it was inadvertent,” says one male Liberal MP. “But it was indicative of a lack of empathy and an absence of female representation in the decision making.”…

    Human rights lawyer George Newhouse wins defamation case against News Corp’s Andrew Bolt:
    http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/human-rights-lawyer-george-newhouse-wins-defamation-case-against-news-corps-andrew-bolt-20150402-1mdkpc.html

    …Mr Newhouse sued for defamation. In a judgment handed down on December 11, 2014, Justice McCallum found the five defamatory imputations pleaded by Mr Newhouse were capable of arising. These included that Mr Newhouse “has fraudulently represented to the public that people whom he represents are refugees when they are not”; that he “lied to the High Court”; that he is “motivated by deceit” and that he has “acted immorally”.

    Lawyers for News Corp had applied to have the imputations struck out.

    Justice McCallum said she agreed with the submission of Mr Newhouse’s barrister, Sue Chrysanthou, that “the whole thrust of the article is to expose the fraud of the representation that his clients were refugees”.

    Further, she said the following paragraph written by Bolt did give rise to an imputation of deliberate dishonesty to the High Court.

    “Mr Newhouse and barrister Ron Merkel QC have persuaded the High Court to issue a temporary injunction against returning these 153 to Sri Lanka and the same superheated rhetoric is heard about torture, the ‘disappeared’ and Nazis,” Bolt said.

    Bolt’s article opened with the line: “Here’s conclusive proof that our ‘refugee lobby’ is motivated by deceit, self-preening and insane hatred of the Abbott Government.”

    Justice McCallum said that paragraph gave rise to the imputation of motivation by deceit….

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2015 10:36 am

    I don’t think public servants “bargained” for the legislated standard of parental leave.

    In the public service this isn’t working as a top up, it is providing an additional period of leave

    In any event the notion of pen pushers and meeting attenders bargaining for their workplace rights is hilarious

  23. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2015 10:46 am

    I don’t think public servants “bargained” for the legislated standard of parental leave.

    You should have stopped with “I don’t think” there yomm 😉

    In any event the notion of pen pushers and meeting attenders bargaining for their workplace rights is hilarious

    Yes, we understand your opinion of workers rights yomm. But, just because yo are employed in a grubmint department, doesn’t mean you don’t have them

    The Prime Minister has been criticised for supporting a controversial plan to set up another Australian medical school.

    A “Medical Consensus” department? Will they focus on the link between wind farms and yolkless egss I wonder?

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2015 11:18 am

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2015 11:26 am

    I struggle with the notion that people that attend meetings and fill out forms at public expense are “workers” and privileged workers at that – enjoying far better benefits that the overwhelming majority of those that pay the taxes that give them the cushy, privileged and well paid life.

    That they then take industrial action, against the public, to protect their privileged position is quite odd.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2015 11:28 am

    I suppose News generally cops a bit of criticism for their political orientation, as does Bolt specifically.

    It’s reasonable that he points to examples of the bias that occurs at public expense.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2015 12:15 pm

    Having suffered through Sky news for the last week … I’m pleased we don’t squander our income on such right wing biased crap …

    Insiders wasexcellent … Typo but actually works! … Well done ladies … Barrie was good too …he let it run well …

  28. May 17, 2015 12:16 pm

    boo.of-melb””””pen pushers and meeting attenders””””’

    #l know. lt`s terrible. How dare useless critters even `exist` beyond the Tinfoil-cubicle, infringing on marked territory. #2319 .. #job.requirements

  29. May 17, 2015 12:27 pm

    theage””””””In the NSW Supreme Court on Thursday, Justice Lucy McCallum ordered a verdict for Mr Newhouse and said News Corp was to pay his legal costs.””””’

    +

    theage”””””’Mr Newhouse sued over an opinion piece written by Bolt on July 10, 2014, which carried the headline `Fearmongers’ hateful fraud””””

    #suck.it.up.teabags

    #yet again the imbecile troll leader has his `free-lies-hate-speech` jackbooted by `leftist` judges and laws.

  30. May 17, 2015 12:54 pm

    saturdaypaper”””””””The government payment, equivalent to 18 weeks at the minimum wage, would become a `safety net””””

    #yeah, l can really see check-out chicks working a few shifts a week in junk-job status, without a few/couple of weeks holiday pay, (or a waitress that also depends of the dole to survive, and those bumping along on rock-bottom earnings without the dole, but still quite poor) suddenly getting #18, l say again, ##18## weeks pay for breeding. This won`t happen.

  31. May 17, 2015 1:17 pm

    Yes armchair, on my abc `insiders` was automatically launching well by having more barrie and less toolman, and it continued to `soar` with laura and annabel on the clever couch, while niki managed to remain within sanity.

    Meanwhile, blot couldn`t drag mr-talkbull into his realm of teabag insanity, as mr-talkbull wouldn`t agree with blots pet arguments of my `abc-bias`. Ha-Ha.

    #yep. watched all of my abc insiders, which l rated today as `quite-good`, and watched the first 3/4`s of blot, which l rate as `usual-crap`.

  32. May 17, 2015 2:11 pm

    crikey””””Australia`s workforce participation, at 76%””””’

    #l wonder what that `really` means.

    #Does it mean 76% are in `living-wage`jobs, and 24% have no-job or junk-jobs.

    +

    crikey””””In fact, Australia`s workforce participation, at 76%, is already well above the OECD average of 71% ..  higher than America`s 73%,”””’

    crikey(#later)”””’in Denmark, where labour force participation stands at 78%.”””’

    #When countries are often very different, really, what the hell`s the point of measuring `micro`percentages of things and `comparing` them. This is often a con.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2015 4:19 pm

    Waiting for The Mad Monk to start the Australian campaign to save Morsi from the firing squad …

  34. May 17, 2015 8:27 pm

    “Abbott branded ‘Captain Chaos’ over medical school plan…”

    No, no, no! just ask Bolt!

    Owler is a (screeeech) leftist!!! Which presumably automatically invalidates his entirely relevant observations about the dearth of clinical training places & the announcement being more about pork barrelling a very marginal seat political opportunism than prudent healthcare policy.
    Methinks Bolt is still smarting because the AMA (read Owler, Bolt’s latest scapegoat) didn’t fall into line & allow the Government to ram through last year’s GP copayment unchallenged.

    Anyhow, Bolt’s hyperbolic apologia for AbbottCorp on the issue can be read at his pit of ideological incest.

  35. May 17, 2015 8:35 pm

    “It’s reasonable that he points to examples of the bias that occurs at public expense.”

    Yeah, except he froths & foams about anything related to the ABC & sees leftists in every shadow causing all of the world’s ills. In other words, he is not a credible source of criticism.

    A quick read around the internet never fails to discover the ‘left’ accusing the ABC of bias & the ‘Right’ claiming same. All that means is they don’t like it when their ‘team’ doesn’t get its knob polished in every interview.

  36. May 17, 2015 8:37 pm

    “Waiting for The Mad Monk to start the Australian campaign to save Morsi from the firing squad …”

    Or Tsarnaev?!

    I assume there’d be more a mood for lethal retribution & cheering for the death penalty on that one. Firstly, he’s not Australian, secondly, he’s a tewwawist!

  37. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 8:17 am

    I saw a preview of the advert about domestic violence, and was gobsmacked when I saw the misogynist yabot stick his fucken head in. Talk about destroying any credibility. They tried to rip apart funding for domestic violence in their first budget, and had to be dragged kicking and screaming by this “recalcitrant” opposition (thank fuck), while throwing millions at DEAF CULTS!. But even then, they are still kicking the vulnerable, while making platitudes that contradict their actions

    phA domestic violence shelter servicing 50 Aboriginal communities in the remote north of Western Australia has emerged as the latest project to miss out on funding under the Federal Government’s overhaul of Indigenous funding.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-17/funding-withdrawal-puts-indigenous-womens-lives-at-risk/6476132

    We need a lot more people “inconveniencing” commuters to highlight the viciousness of this regime.

  38. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 8:24 am

    And (probably been posted, so sorry if it has)

    On mothers, Abbott took to the election a proposal for six months’ paid maternity leave. He picked the period of 26 weeks rather than Labor’s 18 weeks “to support women to have the best chance to breastfeed and bond with their infant for the six-month period recommended by international and Australian health experts”. The Coalition’s policy still available on its website cites the National Health and Medical Research Council and the World Health Organisation as experts finding that the minimum recommended period of exclusive care and breastfeeding is six months.

    In the meantime, Labor’s paid parental leave scheme was ensuring that some women had more than 18 weeks. That was its aim. Its explanatory memorandum said the scheme would “complement” existing entitlements, being paid “before, after, or at the same time”. Never intended as a substitute for employer-provided leave, it was an add-on that would bring some women close to six months.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/paid-parental-leave-could-the-coalition-have-been-any-dumber-20150516-gh30om

    Highlights not only that yabot is a baldfaced liar prepared to get the hopes up of millions of women, he also has no problem victimizing them at the same time. How ANYBODY can run this “double dipping” argument without first throwing up is beyond me. It is so patently false and so obviously an attack on women that they deserve far more kick back than they have received already.

  39. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 9:27 am

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    ‘Less aggressive’: Malcolm Turnbull’s advice for ABC journalists Leigh Sales and Emma Alberici

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/less-aggressive-malcolm-turnbulls-advice-for-abc-journalists-leigh-sales-and-emma-alberici-20150517-gh3f7f.html#ixzz3aRQLZc5q

    I AGREE!. Journo’s are shit

    Was malcy crying crocodiles while ulman was lying to the pm, or chaff bags were being stuffed? What a wanker. Even poor widdle yabot is having a sook about nasty questioners not accepting his litany of lies.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 9:34 am

    Abbott’s parental leave scheme was flawed, not because it was too generous – it probably ranks around the middle on an international comparison of the benefit. It was flawed because it was a big bang approach. It should have been a 5 or 10 year plan.

    But it is probably time to make the current, very, very modest scheme a little more generous – move the cap to the average wage, and extend the leave to 26 weeks.

    The entire parental leave debacle has been humiliating for Abbott.

    This doesn’t alter the fact that public servants occupy a privileged position for these types of benefits.

    I just can’t understand why taxpayers (particularly those on lower incomes) have to cough up more taxes to pay for these benefits for overpaid public servants

    When an overpaid public servant gets a taxpayer funded parental leave benefit under legislation and then claims the taxpayer funded safety net benefit – there is something seriously wrong, regardless of whether it is called “double dipping”

    The average federal bureaucrat earns $81,900

    …which is far in excess of the earnings of the average worker (…and the $82k was 3 years ago)

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/top-public-servants-get-100000-pay-rise-20121218-2bl4t.html

  41. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 9:43 am

    hockey finally admits he’s a fuck head

    Joe Hockey concedes ‘double-dipping’ on paid parental leave is not fraud

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-concedes-doubledipping-on-paid-parental-leave-is-not-fraud-20150517-gh3ttg.html

  42. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 9:54 am

    This doesn’t alter the fact that public servants occupy a privileged position for these types of benefits.

    This doesn’t alter the fact that the public service generally value workplace entitlements over pay scales

    The average federal bureaucrat earns $81,900
    …which is far in excess of the earnings of the average worker

    Ignoring the point that a federal bureaucrat is not an ” average worker “. If you think that’s measuring apples with apples, it’s Granny Smiths against Sekai Ichi.

  43. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:03 am

    “”gnoring the point that a federal bureaucrat is not an ” average worker “ ……….””

    Would you care to define “average worker” so we can make a judgement on your statement ?

  44. May 18, 2015 10:05 am

    Leigh Sales gives me the shits.

    The recent “interview” she had with Scott Morrison degenerated into a contest between who could ask the questions the fastest and who could answer them even faster.

    No sooner has she asked a question, she’s interrupted the person answering with another question desperately hoping for a gotcha moment.

    I don’t care what side of politics you’re from but her whole “style” is just obnoxious, arrogant and rude, and that’s no substitute for a considered analysis of whoever’s being interviewed and what they are saying.

    In fact, IT’S PATHETIC!

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:22 am

    If the average public servant earns well over $80k a year, that’s a lot of money for attending meetings with your colleagues, eating tim tams and getting some flexi time.

    Bureaucrats are employed in that occupation because they prefer not to-
    *Buy their own lunch
    *Be accountable
    *Work

    I’m not in favour of padding out their benefits even more.

  46. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:26 am

    Would you care to define “average worker” so we can make a judgement on your statement ?

    Well, that would be someone ranging from production worker to ceo

    whereas ” a federal bureaucrat ” would be ranging from a white collar professional to a ceo

    In fact, IT’S PATHETIC!

    I AGREE!

    And it has been for a long time. Take this one from sales recent with Shorten

    LEIGH SALES: Into in your speech this evening you identified that the end of the mining boom will wipe $96 billion off the budget bottom line, but against that picture you went on to announce a range of new spending with no mention of what you’d cut to pay for it. You killed your credibility right there, didn’t you?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4236048.htm

    In her opening she claims he’s discredited because he didn’t announce cuts to pay for promises, but ignores the revenue side completely. It’s as if that doesn’t exist any more, and she has decided that he is guilty as charged without even asking a question.

    Shorten handled it poorly, he should have shut her down straight away. But I do recall when Gillard used to do that, and she was lambasted by everyone for being “argumentative” just because she didn’t accept a journos presumptions

    Nice to see the conservatives crying about it now though lol

  47. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:31 am

    that’s a lot of money for attending meetings with your colleagues, eating tim tams and getting some flexi time.

    Not to mention putting up with ignorant morons continually berating you when they obviously don’t have a clue what you really do.

    #justsayin 😉

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:55 am

    If the average public servant earns well over $80k a year

    Plus they have better job security than people in private enterprise plus they get better Super. Most people in private enterprise get 9%. I think PS’s get a lot more.

    It used to be that PS’s got lower wages for better job security. Now they are getting both. It always happens when people get their hands on taxpayers money. They use it to their own advantage.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 11:00 am

    Public servants –
    • More benefits
    • More pay
    • More job security
    • More tim tams
    • More cardigans
    • Less accountability
    • Less work

  50. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2015 11:09 am

    And more sick leave

  51. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 11:14 am

    yea, but they still gotta put up with morons without a clue continually berating them for no reason except murdoch said so. 😉

    • More cardigans

    I think the countries most subsidised occupation might disagree with you there yomm 😉

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 11:22 am

    And more sick leave

    And i bet you they use it as well. Most people in private enterprise only use sick leave when they are sick.

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 12:08 pm

    How amusing!

    Excellent. Another dead dog!

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 12:33 pm

    I think the PS’s shows why taxpayers subsidies often do not work. Since it is not their own money they do not appreciate it. The workers at Holden/Ford/Toyota did not improve the cars they were making. If anything the more govt money they got the worse the cars became they made. Same goes for PS workers.

    It is wrong that PS’s get higher wages and entitlements than people in the private sector.

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 12:35 pm

    It is wrong that PS’s get higher wages and entitlements than people in the private sector.

    I’m with you on this one Neil.

  56. May 18, 2015 12:36 pm

    It is wrong that people in the private sector get lower wages and entitlements than people in the public sector.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 12:38 pm

    The public sector should follow general industrial/workplace standards and entitlements – not set them.

  58. May 18, 2015 12:44 pm

    “”The public sector should follow general industrial/workplace standards and entitlements – not set them.””

    You mean, like the way politicians do…?

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2015 1:35 pm

    It is wrong that people in the private sector get lower wages and entitlements than people in the public sector.

    But do they?

    The public sector should follow general industrial/workplace standards and entitlements

    You mean like, negotiate with their employer 😯

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 2:08 pm

    ” You mean like, negotiate with their employer.”

    Negotiation public service style –
    • “You mean if I give you a pay increase, I get one too?!”
    • “So if I restructure and reclassify some of my staff, I also move up?!”
    • “If I look for greater efficiency and have to lose a few subordinates, my budget goes down, then my job evaluation goes down, then I’m not going to get my reclassification…it’s best I don’t look for too much efficiency”

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 2:15 pm

    Same goes with Holden/Toyota workers. Rather than making better cars they paid themselves higher salaries both management and workers.

    People have no regard for taxpayers money. It reminds of a story i heard from a wealthy man. He said he never bought his children expensive presents because they would not appreciate them. So he never bought them an expensive car even though he could afford to.

    And i am sure PS’s are on better Super schemes than most people in the private sector. The older PS’s were on defined benefit schemes. I believe that scheme has been stopped but i am sure the new scheme is generous.

    Most people in the private sector get 9% Super.

  62. May 18, 2015 2:24 pm

    ^^^^^^
    Repetition wrapped in irrelevance?

  63. May 18, 2015 3:00 pm

    The elephant in the room…

    All these ppl that are rushing into the Sydney and Melbourne property market (cos you know, Joe said now is the time to borrow and invest), are gonna find themselves up shit creek fairly soon I imagine…

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4237624.htm

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 3:14 pm

    I tend to agree with you. Also, same goes for anybody in debt ie the Australian govts, State, local and Federal.

    Trouble in predicting a property bubble is that I think Australia has never had one. Housing prices always go up or remain stable in the big cities. However if someone loses their job you are in big trouble with a debt.

    People are getting into property because bank interest rates are so low and not much is happening in the share market. Self funded retirees who have to survive on interest on money in the bank are doing it tough.

  65. May 18, 2015 3:19 pm
  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 3:22 pm

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 3:24 pm

    What a fuckwit Gauvin is! In fact there are dead white guys killed by cops but the local whites haven’t sent the city up in flames.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 3:26 pm

    The difference is that Fox condemns the thugs in both cases. Obama and Sharpton and the MSM encourage the thugs to kill cops.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 4:27 pm

    …Negotiation public service style…

    What good faith negotiation do you think they get from the government? You seem to forget that government departments are all run on the business model now, however inappropriate that is to actually provide services to the public.

    I don’t get angry a lot but I do when public servants are abused and attacked by people who have been educated to hate them by ideological political players and ignorant yobs.
    Working in the public service is often a thankless job, it’s hard to go to work each day when you have to be so personally affable and respectful to undeserving morons and private sector psycho bullies. Must always be professional, never tell people what you really think of them and more often than not, accept abuse, personal attacks and vilification with good grace and never ever feel tired or fed up with the very public that you serve.

    Most public servants that I know are very hard working and diligent people concerned to do the best work that they can, despite all the pressures they are put under by department heads who are always trying to save a few bucks to justify their own positions.
    My colleagues are not ‘up themselves’ the way that people in private enterprise tend to be, perhaps because the only bonuses they get are the occasional thank you from a client. No big bonuses [imagine the outrage], no workplace rewards, barely any acknowledgement of a job well done by management, just hurry and do more. Mostly they are thoroughly good and decent people. Don’t forget public servants pay tax too and they buy their goods and services from private enterprise.

    In defence of the public service:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/in-defence-of-the-public-service,5531

    …If people in the private sector lose their jobs, Coalition MPs shed tears and demand compensation. However, when people in the public service lose their jobs, Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey gloats about it.

    The reason for this is simple. The Coalition don’t understand that public servants are human beings worthy of respect, just like every other Australian. To them, they are “faceless bureaucrats” pushing paper in a grey office in Canberra. Making life more difficult for “hard-working” Australians.

    They are not understood as people with families and mortgages. People with the same hopes and fears as everyone else. To them, they are the heartless purveyors of red-tape, looking to strangle small business….

    ’…It’s pathetic when you think about it. Most of the politicians and journalists who attack the public service would never make the same sacrifices public servants make…

    …A life committed to public service is a noble one. No wonder then, then, that self-interested media companies or vain, ignoble politicians hold it in contempt.

    Lucky for Australia our federal public service is one of the most effective and least corrupt in the world.

    Lucky for the rest of us that those teachers and nurses, those aid workers and social workers, those customs workers and treasury officials go about their business quietly and competently no matter how much vitriol is directed at them.

  70. May 18, 2015 4:31 pm

    Well said AO…!

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 4:36 pm

    “Working in the public service is often a thankless job, it’s hard to go to work each day when you have to be so personally affable and respectful to undeserving morons “

    That issue is not confined to the public service!

    “Most public servants that I know are very hard working and diligent people concerned to do the best work that they can, despite all the pressures they are put under”

    I definitely find this to be the case.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 4:49 pm

    thanks sb and reb, I think the public servants who do not serve the public well and live a life of bludging entitlement with self devotion and personal corruption are the politicians. They are the ones who should be attacked for their deceptions and fraud on us.

    Who said morals shouldn’t come into business?

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:07 pm

    That is a business decision, not a moral one. Woolies has made a commercial judgment that it will be better off doing this.

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:12 pm

    Meanwhile the Bolivarian Revolution grinds its way to an inevitable conclusion.

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:14 pm

    Pretty sure Woolies will have briefed its PR and marketing teams to launch into extreme turd-polishing mode.

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:36 pm

    It takes a particular orientation to work in the public service, one that is more towards process than outcome, working to rules.

    It isn’t necessarily the fault of public servants that they’re inefficient, it is the system that is designed to protect politicians that makes it over burdened. They public system lacks accountability, it is costly and inefficient.

    Public servants may be hard working and well intentioned, that doesn’t make the public service efficient or them either for that matter.

    The fact that commonwealth public servants cost the taxpayer $85,000 each (then add superannuation etc) is stupid, it is loading up average wage earners with higher taxes.

    The place to start is cutting benefits – there is no reason for public servants to be given benefits that are not available to the majority of the rest of the workforce.

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:41 pm

    …Pretty sure Woolies will have briefed its PR and marketing teams to launch into extreme turd-polishing mode…

    We can all be sure of that sb. I’ve been reading recently that woolies has not been performing so well.

    If only they had the influence of twiggy, he expects the govt. to provide an iron ore cartel to benefit himself.

    Grant O’Brien on last legs at Woolworths:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/grant-obrien-on-last-legs-at-woolworths/story-e6frg9io-1227241384542

    Fairfax Ipsos poll: budget a winner for old blokes, but women underwhelmed:
    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/fairfax-ipsos-poll-budget-a-winner-for-old-blokes-but-women-underwhelmed-20150518-gh3j3u

    …The first answer is that it is a bloke thing. The split in the male primary vote has jumped from 38 per cent Labor/ 40 per cent Coalition just a month ago to 33 per cent Labor/46 per cent Coalition at the weekend – a five-percentage-point shift away from Labor. (The government even picked up an extra point from the Greens among blokes).

    Women have been less whelmed by the budget and the government abandoning everything it had previously said and saying something else entirely…

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2015 5:55 pm

    ToM, the work of public servants varies so vastly it doesn’t make sense to generalise too much. I don’t know why you have it in for them. What about school-teachers? They are another group that cop all sorts of flack for no good reason that I can see.

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:01 pm

    …The place to start is cutting benefits – there is no reason for public servants to be given benefits that are not available to the majority of the rest of the workforce…

    I suggest the place to start for the private sector is to progress, to offer evidence based, best employment practice and avail their workers of more benefits.

    You might have noticed there are a lot of women in the public service, that is simply because of govt. parental leave entitlements, an employer being willing to offer something to attract employees who might otherwise find the job unattractive. Gender pay inequity is more prevalent in the private sector too.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/paid-parental-leave-how-swedish-mums-and-dads-do-it-20140319-352gj.html

    https://sweden.se/society/gender-equality-in-sweden/

    Have to say this PM and his ‘death cult’ prattle is getting pretty tiresome.

  80. May 18, 2015 6:10 pm

    I think it’s worth drawing a distinction between public servants who do a thankless job providing frontline services like police, firefighters, nurses, mental healthcare providers and other social services versus the cardigan wearers who insist that certain forms must be completed on certain coloured paper before they’ll do anything.

    I have a lot of respect for the former but fuck all for the latter.

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:13 pm

    …It isn’t necessarily the fault of public servants that they’re inefficient, it is the system that is designed to protect politicians that makes it over burdened.

    They public system lacks accountability, it is costly and inefficient…

    There is always a trail of accountability when you have to dot every i and cross the t’s.

    I think that if you look at it with a non jaundiced and objective, rather than a biased view you will find it is the private sector that lacks the transparency and accountability principles that the public service adheres to.

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:25 pm

    I suggest the place to start for the private sector is to progress, to offer evidence based, best employment practice and avail their workers of more benefits.

    Spoken like a true socialist. Fact is the private sector has to generate its own revenue. A lot of small business people work for themselves and pay themselves less benefits than PS’s because they cannot afford anything else.

    Fact is when people have access to taxpayers money they will abuse it. No all PS’s of course but much more than in the private sector. Same goes for council workers. Oh we need a new coffee machine. Lets us put up the rates.

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:29 pm

    The public sector has become more and more inefficient because the private sector has muscled into it more and more. Whenever something gets outsourced it seems the service provision to the public goes downhill and the public ends up paying more and more out of pocket expenses.

    Pursuing ‘efficiency’ in the public sector: why privatisation is not necessarily the answer:
    https://theconversation.com/pursuing-efficiency-in-the-public-sector-why-privatisation-is-not-necessarily-the-answer-13142

    …There is a common misconception that the private sector is inherently more efficient at the provision of public services. But this is not supported by theory or evidence…

  84. May 18, 2015 6:48 pm

    Oh we need a new coffee machine.” Let’s form a sub-committee to establish a working group to prepare a tender to issue in the Public Notices section of the Local Newspaper to review proposals from interested consultants who may be interested in providing us with an “independent assessment” of the most appropriate coffee machines available on the market to suit our needs, then let the working group collate and evaluate the responses/proposals and provide us with a recommendation based on the proposals and cost estimates they have received (a minimum of three please), and then we will let the sub-committee make an assessment of the working group’s assessment for our consideration. Then “Lets us put up the rates.”

    There, fixed it for you Neil…. 🙂

  85. May 18, 2015 6:49 pm

    Your coffee machine cost $80,000…

    But, but, but we hired the best possible consultants…

    (your taxpayer dollars at work)

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:52 pm

    Meanwhile the Bolivarian Revolution grinds its way to an inevitable conclusion.

    That’s what happens when a government comes to power obsessed with ideology and lacking creativity and the ability to understand how an economy actually works … like the one in Canberra right now … hey?

    Pretty sure Woolies will have briefed its PR and marketing teams to launch into extreme turd-polishing mode.

    Big difference between moral responsibility and economic accountability … and legal irresponsibility!

    …There is a common misconception that the private sector is inherently more efficient at the provision of public services. But this is not supported by theory or evidence…

    Absofknlutely! If that was the case we would hire mercenaries and scrap the ADF … the biggest, smartest and most efficient logistics “company” in the country …

    But I will refrain from discussing the teaching profession and the “system” of rote learning they employ …

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:55 pm

    Great holiday … happy to be home …

    Apologies to ToSY … mate, while I had wifi it was powered by a steam engine … and reminded me of loading graphics via 51/4″ floppy disks in the ’90’s!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2015 6:56 pm

    5 1/4″

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:08 pm

    …Spoken like a true socialist. Fact is the private sector has to generate its own revenue. A lot of small business people work for themselves and pay themselves less benefits than PS’s because they cannot afford anything else…

    What they don’t pay themselves or their workers goes back into their business, their profit making enterprise. They also get assistance from the taxpayers to run their business.

    They are very good at being whinging martyrs too neil, apparently no-one can ever work as hard or sacrifice less than small business.

    If they are not making enough profit to cover themselves or their workers, they probably shouldn’t be in business.

    Usually they do manage to pay themselves and their families quite well, they pay less benefits because they resent paying anything that doesn’t end up in their own pocket. If they fold it’s the workers who lose because they’ve not been paying their wages or superannuation etc.They also put a lot of private household expense down as business expenditure and the taxpayer ends up paying for it.
    They would pay their employees nothing if they could get away with it and they will demand their workers do much more than their job description entails, often performing the personal tasks for the boss or family.

    They are not all like that of course, but enough of them are and they chew up the young, innocent and desperate all the time.

    …Your coffee machine cost $80,000…
    But, but, but we hired the best possible consultants…
    (your taxpayer dollars at work)…

    That’s what happen when you outsource to the private sector, using private consultants, these greedy, self important imposters, see govt. money as their magic pot of gold.

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:11 pm

    Hope you are feeling very relaxed and in great spirits TB!

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:18 pm

    False economies
    DECODING EFFICIENCY
    http://cpd.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CPD_Decoding_Efficiency_Chris_Stone.pdf

    …‘Our public service suffers the plight of the anorexic: no matter how thin it gets there are voices saying it’s too fat. Do we really want a size zero government?’.

    Arguments for reform often revolve around the presumption that the private sector is necessarily more efficient and effective than the public. Is this always true? Decoding efficiency outlines six ways in which market models can ‘mess up’. It explains three different economic definitions of efficiency, and then illustrates how mere equations simply cannot fully account for success or failure in service delivery…

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    When I refer to public servants/bureaucrats, I’m not talking about –
    • Nurses
    • Teachers
    • Military
    • Police (though I’m in 2 minds about the culture, the level of efficiency and rorting)

    I’m talking about the actual bureaucracy, the non value adding meeting attenders, the ones that spend their lives justifying their existence, speaking at conferences to one another – the ones that eat all the tim tams.

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    crikey:

    …McIntrye files unfair dismissal claim. The SBS soccer journalist who was sacked after a series of tweets about Anzac Day has filed an unfair dismissal claim against the broadcaster. On Anzac Day Scott McIntyre sent a series of tweets criticising people who commemorate the day, as well as Australian soldiers. He was fired less than 24 hours after the tweets were sent, after Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull alerted SBS managing director Michael Ebeid to the tweets. BuzzFeed is reporting that the claim was filed by law firm Maurice Blackburn, which said in a statement:

    “It is alleged SBS took action without a proper investigation and consideration of all relevant issues. It will be contended that Mr McIntyre had an unblemished work record and if a proper process had been followed, he would still be employed in his chosen career.”…

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2015 7:44 pm

    If they are not making enough profit to cover themselves or their workers, they probably shouldn’t be in business.

    Well i have a relative who is a builder in Country NSW. When he gets up in the morning he has to find someone who wants a renovation, a second story or a house to build. If not his family is in trouble. He has almost no Super. Perhaps you are right he should not be in business.

    But the fact is all the money to pay the wages of PS’s comes from taxing the private sector. Govt run organisations raise very little revenue by their own activities. Pull out the taxpayer funding and they would collapse.

  95. May 18, 2015 7:52 pm

    “ToM, the work of public servants varies so vastly it doesn’t make sense to generalise too much. I don’t know why you have it in for them. What about school-teachers? They are another group that cop all sorts of flack for no good reason that I can see.”

    Amen!

  96. May 18, 2015 7:53 pm

    Kneel is still stuck in his monocular pothole, apparently.

    Dependable, if naught else.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:28 pm

    I agree with reb.

    The non value adding, taxpayer funded overheads, the meeting attenders, form fillers, tim tam eaters – off load them, and until they’re offloaded – reduce their cardigan allowance.

  98. May 18, 2015 10:31 pm

    I’m not sure that you agree with reb.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:57 pm

    I agree with this bit –

    “I think it’s worth drawing a distinction between public servants who do a thankless job providing frontline services like police, firefighters, nurses, mental healthcare providers and other social services versus the cardigan wearers who insist that certain forms must be completed on certain coloured paper before they’ll do anything.
    I have a lot of respect for the former but fuck all for the latter.

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2015 10:58 pm

    …though I’m suspicious of police.

  101. May 19, 2015 12:04 am

    * duly noted…don’t think I’m not WATCHING

  102. May 19, 2015 12:16 am

    I disagree with everybody.

  103. May 19, 2015 12:28 am

    That’s why I love you.

  104. May 19, 2015 12:29 am

    Welcome to deathcamp

    *extrapolate

  105. May 19, 2015 12:50 am

    “Look at all the things the GOP have blocked, like bawling, squealing toddlers in the middle of a tantrum, throughout the last 6 years of Obama’s presidency. Suddenly they are dead keen to support his piece of legislation. Even if I knew nothing about it that alone would make me very very afraid.

    Since I do know about this abomination it comes as no surprise. Any party that backs this legislation should lose the vote of any sane person.”

    Welcome…

  106. May 19, 2015 12:52 am

    And, of course it was TPP….

  107. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:41 am

    I disagree with everybody.

    I AGREE! 😯

    Fact is the private sector has to generate its own revenue

    Yep, which would be why the “free market” kings are throwing billions out $20k at a time, not to mention things such as blackmailing Vics into building a road when it is obvious they want a train. 😯

    Many PS’s are a necessary evil,

    Govt run organisations raise very little revenue by their own activities.

    Well, unless of course they do

    “Cutting the guts out of the agency that is responsible for bringing in much-needed revenue makes absolutely no sense at all. We are calling on the Government to restore funding in the upcoming Budget to ensure that Tax staff can do their job and provide the revenue that society needs to fund the ever-increasing demand for services. Demand for services continues to rise, while the number of staff goes down. It doesn’t add up,” Mr Waters said.

    http://www.governmentnews.com.au/2015/04/multinational-tax-take-bleeds-after-huge-ato-staff-cuts/

    These kinds of cuts are just plain stupid. And, not to overuse the hypocritical word, but highly fucken hypocritical when hockey stands up and talks all tough, while doing this behind his back.

  108. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:57 am

    …It isn’t necessarily the fault of public servants that they’re inefficient, it is the system that is designed to protect politicians that makes it over burdened.

    Precisely. But what is saddest, is that it is the same pollies who overburden them crap to protect their own asses who are now using them as a punching bag to try and distract from their own failings.

    The same pollies who are actively sacking public servants so that multi nationals can continue to skirt around tax laws to minimise their own tax in ways that might not be illegal but are most likely immoral, and then have the nerve to call parents who are using ppl EXACTLY as it is designed to do and EXACTLY as it was legislated (by both parties) to be accessed as “rorters”

    You can call it ‘semantics’ hockey, I call it an act of bastardy

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2015 7:26 am

    Many PS’s are a necessary evil,

    Agreed. But people who have access to taxpayers money often do not respect money as much as people who have to generate money.

  110. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 8:17 am

    But people who have access to taxpayers money often do not respect money as much as people who have to generate money.

    Claiming full pay while cycling in a “charity” event springs to mind 😉

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2015 8:44 am

    Claiming full pay while cycling in a “charity” event springs to mind

    Exactly. But perhaps not as bad as you are trying to make out. Politicians meeting people could at a stretch be claimed as part of the perks of the job.

    Same goes with power. Anybody in power long enough will start to abuse it.

  112. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 8:52 am

    But perhaps not as bad as you are trying to make out.

    When you put that up against a long list of rorting from the taxpayer in this individuals case, then it is as bad as it looks

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:15 am

    “I think it’s worth drawing a distinction between public servants who do a thankless job providing frontline services like police, firefighters, nurses, mental healthcare providers and other social services versus the cardigan wearers who insist that certain forms must be completed on certain coloured paper before they’ll do anything.”

    This sort of binary bullshit distinction misses the point entirely.

    What do you call ATO officers? If you want to ensure that large business taxpayers meet their tax obligations then you need to hire highly skilled officers and pay them appropriately.

    If you are an officer charged with investigating and prosecuting dodgy vocational colleges you will be working very hard and copping a lot of abuse and threats while you are at it. And behind you there are hardworking people formulating the policy and legislation, ensuring it is rigorous as well as fair.

    If you are responsible for developing industry policy in a particular area then you probably have post grad economic qualifications and work with industry groups, external advisers and the Minister to turn government ideology and promises into a policy that has a chance at working.

    If you work in the ombudsman’s office dealing with complaints about sickening abuse you have to work hard to help victims while sorting out fact from fabrication.

    I know well family and friends who do these things. They are highly qualified and hard working. There are a few time-servers, but most public servants work hard and are committed to the work they do.

    The dichotomy is false and the generalisation inaccurate. Many non-frontline public servants do interesting and challenging work and work hard to achieve good outcomes for the society they serve.

  114. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:28 am

    They are highly qualified and hard working.

    Which brings us back to the pathetic comparison of “federal bureaucrats” and “average workers”.

    It would be interesting though to see a fair comparison of workers wages, if that is even possible?

  115. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:29 am

    lol, Will we get a “please explain”

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:39 am

    I was at a party and chatting to a professional young woman. She said she worked in ‘risk management’

    Safety, finance or governance, I asked.

    Media she replied. Her job was to monitor the media and get on top of any reporting or talk back that reflected badly on her bit of the public service.

    She considered the job quite important. No doubt she was intelligent and hard working.

    While taxpayers fund this type of non value adding job, the public service willl continue to prove it is inefficient

  117. May 19, 2015 9:40 am

    “”most public servants work hard and are committed to the work they do.””

    Oh that’s just egregious nonsense.

    Have you ever stepped foot inside a local council?

    Computer says no.

  118. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:55 am

    Media she replied.

    PMO? 🙂

    Funny you have a go at that after the discussion further up about wollies protecting themselves with media games over their exploitation of workers. Is that “inefficient”?

    Have you ever stepped foot inside a local council?

    I may be stupid, but I’m not dumb!

  119. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:57 am

    BLOCK ‘EM!

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2015 10:26 am

    The frontline vs bludgers dichotomy is an unfair stereotype.

    My views are based on regular and detailed discussions with family and close friends who work in the public service.

  121. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 10:29 am

    “My views are based on regular and detailed discussions with family and close friends who work in the public service.”

    OK……..we wont count your family and friends then.

    Canberra Public servants are by and large bludgers

  122. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 10:31 am

    Whoever fell for Twiggy Forrest’s bullshit …………….I mean seriously…………?

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining-group-takes-aim-at-fortescue/story-e6frfkur-1227359867179

  123. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 10:36 am

    Some of the best decisions a government can make involve spending nothing

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086494/The-Bangkok-bikie-Bandido-chief-stranded-Thailand-government-cancels-visa.html

    Personally I’d rather let Pistol and Boo back in than him.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:11 am

    The non value adding, taxpayer funded overheads, the meeting attenders, form fillers, tim tam eaters –

    If we actually sorted out a simple tax system we could get rid of a lot of money shuffling, key tapping, non-productive shiny arses in both public and private sectors …

    … and actually help the taxpayers be more productive and pay more taxes … (particularly small business who are compelled to have their tax returns – signed – by an accountant who charges like a wounded bull to transfer your own information onto a government tax form … with no fkn responsibility at all) …

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:19 am

    This sort of binary bullshit distinction misses the point entirely.

    exactly sb, the only reason that people don’t want the ‘plodding, form fillers’ on the job is because they are trying to get rid of any regulation on themselves and how they operate.

    Of course, these are also the same people who were so ‘screamingly outraged’ about the pink batts and their speedy roll out, blaming lack of regulation and oversight in the scheme.

    But people who have access to taxpayers money often do not respect money as much as people who have to generate money.

    Untrue. You obviously don’t work in the PS. I can tell you that those responsible for budgets treat every cent as if it comes out of their own pockets. A common complaint from people like me who continually have to butt heads with them to ensure we receive the equipment needed to work effectively and to get our correct pay and entitlements.

    Govt run organisations raise very little revenue by their own activities.

    That’s why business can’t wait to get their sticky hands on them – privatisation!

  126. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:26 am

    “… (particularly small business who are compelled to have their tax returns – signed – by an accountant who charges like a wounded bull to transfer your own information onto a government tax form … with no fkn responsibility at all) …”

    Hehehehehehehehehehe………………..!

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:34 am

    Exactly. But perhaps not as bad as you are trying to make out. Politicians meeting people could at a stretch be claimed as part of the perks of the job.

    Claiming from the taxpayer for travel when you go to a private wedding, using expensive air force planes and govt funded limosines, would seem to be a rort to me.

    What about accepting a $60,000 scholarship for a daughter that would not have been given it merit alone, given purely because of father’s position?

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:34 am

    …though I’m suspicious of police.

    They’re suspicious of you too, ToM … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Exactly. But perhaps not as bad as you are trying to make out.

    Is Kneel actually engaging in adult discussion these days? Wonders will never cease?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I know well family and friends who do these things. They are highly qualified and hard working. There are a few time-servers, but most public servants work hard and are committed to the work they do.

    The dichotomy is false and the generalisation inaccurate. Many non-frontline public servants do interesting and challenging work and work hard to achieve good outcomes for the society they serve.

    Nicely put, sb … I too prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy!

    Its about people working as one not working as individuals to cream as many people as they can, just to be able to trample on them … (there is a reason we have so many millionaires playing with our political system : /

    … its not the strength of the economy its the strength of the people that gets a nation up and running in times of trouble … in spite of politicians not because of them …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    lol, Will we get a “please explain”

    LOL! Plenty bugger up, hey! LOL! Fucken liars, cheats and thieves … and Sunday churchgoers all!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Canberra Public servants are by and large bludgers

    LOL! Good for Walrus Budget LOL!

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:34 am

    Just like power, everybody who works in a taxpayer job will abuse the taxpayers money. It is just a fact of life.

    The local council building near i live looks like the taj mahal. Anytime they need something they just puts the rates up.

    Same goes for the railway workers i see on the train on the weekends doing repair work. Most are standing around doing nothing. It was why tollways were contracted out. You never see anybody working for a private contractor building a road leaning on a shovel like you do with State Rail and the DMR.

  130. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 11:48 am

    Whoever fell for Twiggy Forrest’s bullshit

    er, the current grubmint. Didn’t he design their welfare policy?

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:04 pm

    Govt run organisations raise very little revenue by their own activities.

    That’s why business can’t wait to get their sticky hands on them – privatisation!

    The irony, KL …

    … my biggest government funded business rival was TAFE … and I actually did a bit of work for them … they simply couldn’t “compete” in the fields I worked in …

    … and re your comment concerning taxpayer money going to small business … it too is a generalisation … while an RTO could apply for funding to deliver/assess particular qualifications (to discount the price) … we never chose too … too much hassle and we simply didn’t need to …

    I’m not sure which small businesses you are referring to …

    And for many years small business had to pay “provisional tax” the most debilitating government concept ever foisted on small businesses …

    Clive Palmer thinks they still pay it (saw him on TV a couple of days ago) …

  132. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:22 pm

    “………..er, the current grubmint. ”

    Er……….no it looks to me the whole damn lot of them including the ALP plus Xenephone

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:23 pm

    Private enterprise could do with a few more pen pushers in their operations.

  134. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:24 pm

    “And for many years small business had to pay “provisional tax” ”

    They still do. They simply changed the name to Pay As You Go .PAYG is not just limited to salary earners.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:27 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:27 pm

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:29 pm

    Sadistic and degrading use of power over people.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:36 pm

    The last time they turned back the boats:
    https://overland.org.au/2015/05/the-last-time-they-turned-back-the-boats/

    …Today in the Straits of Malacca, we’re seeing a grotesque re-enactment of one of the great moral failures of the twentieth century, as the nations of the region collaborate to produce a new ‘Voyage of the Damned’.

    Some 8000 Rohingya asylum seekers and Bangladeshi migrants are currently stranded, lacking food, water and sanitation – and the governments of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia are pushing their boats back into the ocean, knowing they have nowhere to go…

    …It’s all depressingly reminiscent of the infamous voyage of the St Louis, a vessel that left Hamburg for Cuba in 1939 carrying 937 Jewish asylum seekers fleeing the intensifying Nazi persecution.

    By then, the treatment of the Jews had produced a refugee crisis spilling out across Europe. In 1938, the world’s leaders met at the Évian Conference, ostensibly to plan a unified response. At the time, Hitler taunted the participants at Évian about their hypocrisy: they condemned Germany but few welcomed Jews to their own countries. ‘I can only hope and expect,’ he said, ‘that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals [Jews], will at least be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid. We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships.’…

  139. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:55 pm

    Er……….no it looks to me the whole damn lot of them including the ALP plus Xenephone

    Please explain. Did Labor or Xenephone use twiggy’s brain farts to drive welfare policy?

  140. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 12:57 pm

    And both sides of politics, and us as voters, have had our dirty hands in the problems that Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia are now experiencing.

    We should ALL hang our heads in shame.

  141. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 1:07 pm

    “Did Labor or Xenephone use twiggy’s brain farts to drive welfare policy?”

    I’m not talking about Welfare. I’m talking about iron ore

  142. May 19, 2015 1:16 pm

    “We should ALL hang our heads in shame.”

    I’m so ashamed I think I’ll self-flagellate.

  143. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 1:20 pm

    I’m talking about iron ore

    I blame the mining tax!!

  144. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 1:22 pm

    “………….as wouldn’t give her sanitary pads”

    Wouldn’t give…………..or ………………..Didn’t have any ?

    Not that I’d even think that the Left would try and distort something like that.

  145. May 19, 2015 1:45 pm
  146. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 1:55 pm

    If you have an Iphone check this out

    Launch the Settings app from the Home screen of your iPhone or iPad.
    Tap on Privacy.
    Now tap on Location Services at the top.
    Towards the bottom of the next screen, tap on System Services.
    Again, towards the bottom of the next page, tap on Frequent Locations.

    Tap on the locations listed and it tells you how often you have been

    At the top of the next screen, turn the Frequent Locations option to the Off position.

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 2:28 pm

    The prime minister on an irony or inquiry??

    I’m so ashamed I think I’ll self-flagellate.

    Don’t forget to post photos 😉

  148. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 2:35 pm

    The prime minister on an irony or inquiry 😯

  149. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 2:39 pm

    You can’t believe anything this mob claims

    The PM’s position on East West Link funds amounts to yet another broken promise.
    …….
    It’s true, he did give Victoria $1.5 billion for the East West Link in his first 2014-15 budget ($500 million of which was diverted from other Victorian projects). But in extraordinarily odd timing, he handed it over in 2013-14, just ahead of the year to which that budget referred.

    Like all budgets these days the 2014-15 budget was handed down in May. The 2013-14 financial year had seven weeks to run. The budget shovelled out the money immediately, before 2014-15 began and well ahead of when it could possibly have been needed. The East West Link contract wasn’t signed until September.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-cant-sustain-victorias-raw-deal-in-budget-20150518-gh3ttk

    And then the right wing circus get all upset when Alberici points out how rubbery their numbers are. Something about being “too rude”

    fucken harden up princesses. Labor had to put up with that rudeness, but the lies were then coming from the journos, not the pollies.

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 2:40 pm

    They still do. They simply changed the name to Pay As You Go .PAYG

    Provisional WAS upfront each year based on last years earnings AND an expectation by the ATO of what they THOUGHT you would earn … PAYG is paid on earnings each quarter … we suffered the first and cheered at the latter …

    What do you do for a living again?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m so ashamed I think I’ll self-flagellate.

    You need to talk to ToM about his blow ups – Lulu and Fifi … aw shit … no … they may actually be Yorkshire terriers …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The prime minister on an iron ore inquiry…

    And this flip flop crap is what must be pissing off a lot of people … incompetent buffoons!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tap on the locations listed and it tells you how often you have been

    It lists the toilets?

    Fkn fanboi …

  151. May 19, 2015 2:50 pm

    “”If you have an Iphone check this out”””

    That’s pretty fkn scary Walrus.

    That means the govt can track our every fkn move.

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 2:59 pm

    At the top of the next screen, turn the Frequent Locations option to the Off position.

    I don’t know about the iphone, but someone I spoke to the other day said something about turning location off on an Android doesn’t do a lot, as google still maintain the database of wifi hotspots they were told to take down from their Maps api that they collect while doing street view (and they did remove it from the api)

    It apparently tracks via that as well as geo-location (the latter is turned off when you turn off location)

    So not just the grubmint, but major corporations also can track our every fckn move.

  153. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 3:22 pm

    they may actually be Yorkshire terrier

    Don’t let Barnaby get a hold of ’em

  154. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 3:37 pm

    “……AND an expectation by the ATO of what they THOUGHT you would earn …”

    So what the fuck are you on about. They still do . The only difference is its by quarter automatically. If I recall Provisional Tax was annual however you could apply for quarterly instalments. And they inflate it based on LY earings by a GDP factor.

    What is it you DONT do again ?

    http://www.stockjournal.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/payg-the-nightmare-of-provisional-tax-replacement/3705.aspx

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 4:36 pm

    That means the govt can track our every fkn move.

    LOL! 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What is it you DONT do again ?

    Bullshit and fiddle with other people’s money … 🙂

    Provisional tax was an ATO “guess” at how much you were “going” to earn paid upfront annually … BEFORE any earnings and each year the ATO “predicted” your following year’s earning’s … higher than the previous year’s of course and “adjusted” at the end of the year if it was actually lower …

    Pay As You Go (PAYG) is just that … paid when you have earned (or at least have a good idea of what’s coming in and going out) … paid monthly or quarterly … along with your Business Activity Statement (BAS) …

    Can you guess which one is better for small business? A big slug at the beginning of the year … or four smaller slugs through the year …? We operated under both systems … paid quarterly as a partnership (no choice) …

    Just read your 2000 (!) link … if you want to complicate tax give it to the government, an accountant, a tax consultant … or someone trying to blow their trumpet as a writer …

    My comments are anecdotal but PAYG was much easier to handle than the original … I can understand why you would say it is still provisional though …

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Business-activity-statements-(BAS)/Pay-as-you-go-(PAYG)-income-tax-instalment/

    But governments are always helping small business* … writing off $20,000 as a plant and equipment doesn’t actually give you $20,000 but it does put small business’ own money into the pockets of the likes of Hardly Normal! When they can least afford to buy …

    I’m still struggling with buying more equipment will get customers through the door … ?

    Sarc*

  156. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 5:08 pm

    “……Provisional tax was an ATO “guess” at how much you were “going” to earn paid upfront annually … BEFORE any earnings and each year the ATO “predicted” your following year’s earning’s … higher than the previous year’s of course and “adjusted” at the end of the year if it was actually lower …..”

    Yes and except for the name change nothing much has changed

  157. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:20 pm

    “That means the govt can track our every fkn move.”

    We need to form into militias and fight back at them. Expose the conspiracies

    Our slogan will be …………………….”Remember Waco”

  158. Walrus permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:23 pm

    “It lists the toilets?”

    No………that’s a separate App.

    It’s called the National Public Toilet Map and its in the App Store

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:28 pm

    Believe me Wally, ’twas a major change for us … however, having said that … why can’t small business pay tax on what they “actually” earn at the end of the year, rather than what they or the government “guesses” … other people do?*

    20% tax across the board …

    PAYG on all taxable income … when you get paid, no matter what you get paid, who pays you, or who you are, how you get paid, or where you get paid … 20% to the government …

    Financial year same as the calendar year …

    No deductions/claims …

    No tax returns for wage/salary earners …

    ATO would only need to seek out the company dodgers …

    The government(s) would be rolling in it and the taxpayers would be loving it …

    But no, its gotta be complicated … how else can “free” enterprise/markets work** … and democracy thrive** …

    Maybe we should go back to bartering … but then the government would probably make that illegal …. oh, wait!

    Sarc*

    **Because the government knows that 70% of start ups fail … in the first year … and 50% in the second and on and on … a business cannot call itself “established” until it has been operating for at least seven years!

    And most small business owners can hardly spell management practices – let alone put them into practice … a good tradie is just that!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:30 pm

    Remember Waco

    Mmmm … a bunch of religious nuts if I recall? Chuckle! 🙂

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 6:31 pm

    Hope you are feeling very relaxed and in great spirits TB!

    Almost missed this, KL … many thanks … and yes!

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2015 7:28 pm

    Our slogan will be …………………….”Remember Waco”

    And if you can’t remember it, you can always Google it 🙂

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2015 8:36 pm

    Three Australian members of Islamic State in the Middle East are in talks with the federal government to make their way back home, despite fears the trio could pose a danger to embassy staff who would arrange their return.
    The secret talks began several months ago for at least two of the men. No decision has been made about allowing the men back home, although negotiations are ongoing.

    My vote is for them to stay where they are. I see no point in bringing them back.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-islamic-state-recruits-in-talks-to-return-home-20150519-gh4nda

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2015 9:16 pm

    No question in my mind, ToM … make yer bed …

    And the Imam who saying they should be allowed back should be investigated …

    If the buggers became radicalised … they don’t suddenly become unradicalised … too dangerous for all Australians … IS has declared war on Australia … well The Mad Abbott anyway …

  165. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 8:17 am

    No question in my mind, ToM … make yer bed …

    I’m not so sure of that. I’d have thought that people who believed the hype and then have been there to witness it first hand and realised that they really are just terrible people, are the best ones to have back here to help prevent others from being radicalised. Sure, there’s a chance (I’d rate it slim) that they are bullshitting, but, daesh have proven they don’t need these methods to attract recruits, shit, our grubmint and media basically do the work for them.

    Unfortunately, all this does is further marginalise the population. It simply builds more resentment within the community, which creates more of a breeding ground for radicalisation.

    And around it goes.

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 8:51 am

    Besides, the stance of “NONE SHALL PASS” ignores the grey points that often arise in situations like this.

    An Islamic State defector who sparked a storm about whether those who join the terrorist group should be allowed to return to Australia has denounced the slaughter of innocent civilians and told of his wish to rejoin his Melbourne family.

    Adam Brookman, a father of five, said he was forced to join the group when he travelled to Syria to provide aid early last year.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/islamic-state-defector-says-he-never-went-to-syria-to-fight-20150519-gh5cog.html

    I also wonder what Hicks thinks of all this? 😉

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 10:07 am

    Brookman was a not a “radicalised” confused teenager … and a US citizen??

    The kids wandering over to Syria are told one thing about Islam and live in another world totally opposite to what they are taught – Australia … no wonder the poor sods are unsure …

    But if it was Brookman on the interview I saw last night (back to the camera) … while he was unhappy with the stonings and beheadings he finished by saying, “But it is Sharia” and he believed in it … FFS!

    And WGAF what Hicks thinks just a Dickhead wannabe … there was a good reason he was rejected by the ADF … and probably a good reason why he joined the enemy … : /

    Oh happy days! The local Sikh community is building a $6 million temple up the road … just what we need …

    Even Vanuatu is full of Presbyterians …

  168. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 10:23 am

    Pretty stupid of people to be going to syria when there is such ‘death cult’ political language being thrown around for political advantage, they shouldn’t give abbott a reason to spruik and terrorise us.
    Most will probably turn out to be innocent but that means nothing to a government that wants to parade scalps before the media pre election.

    Weren’t we all hating the syrian government a while ago because of the tyranny and abuses of Bashar al-Assad towards his own people? Didn’t they prevent his wife from shopping anywhere by refusing her use of credit cards? Do we think they are good people now, or is it baddy vs baddy?

    I wish the government was equally concerned about israeli australians going over to israel or other nations to fight in their armies. An army that is known to dehumanise, victimise and torture palestinians and their children. I think there should be one rule for all, no aussies joining any forces OS, if they want to join an army, sign up for the ADF.

    Looks like abbott is out of the blocks and campaigning already for the next ?early election.
    I don’t think I could cope with same again, the liberal friendly businesses, the hardhats, high vis vests and abbott pretending to be doing the work of the employees, I’ll have to turn the tv off. Spare us from the galute that is abbott greasing for votes and never ever getting properly questioned by the media.

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 10:30 am

    Oh happy days! The local Sikh community is building a $6 million temple up the road … just what we need …
    Even Vanuatu is full of Presbyterians …

    When will we be free of the yoke of paying for religion to propagate like weeds?
    How many billions would immediately go back into the economy if religion had to support itself through it’s own devotees. I don’t see how we can say that we have a secular government or democracy at all.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 10:46 am

    The Thirty Worst Things The Liberals Did Yesterday:
    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2015/05/19/the-thirty-worst-things-the-liberals-did-yesterday-257/

    …The Philippines President, Aquino, said he would take in the eight thousand starving, thirsting, miscarrying and screaming refugees and look after them, and thus proved Abbott was, in his words, ‘a murderous mad cunt, without precedent in this region in this century.’…

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:04 am

    If you get a chance, do watch yesterday’s ‘the drum’ on iview. The humanity and decency of bruce haigh is a sight for sore eyes.

    No flies on Scott Morrison:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/no-flies-on-scott-morrison.html

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:21 am

    The Philippines President, Aquino, said he would take in the eight thousand starving, thirsting, miscarrying and screaming refugees and look after them, and thus proved Abbott was, in his words, ‘a murderous mad cunt,

    And would Gillard/ALP have taken these people? I doubt it.

    AO why play politics with the lives of people???

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:27 am

    “Unfortunately, all this does is further marginalise the population. It simply builds more resentment within the community, which creates more of a breeding ground for radicalisation.”

    Bullshit. You are assuming that Muslims lack agency. In fact they decide whether or not they get all resentful at the government for taking a hard line on terrorists. They decide whether or not they adopt the jihadi version of their religion and whether they act on it.

    The fact that many Muslims are hypersensitive chauvinists when it comes to their religion should not cause any person to alter their behaviour nor should it cause the government to change its policy.

    Of course, since the ALP has sold out to Islam for the sake of a few Western Sydney seats their posture will be to take it up the arse from Islam. Hence your argument above.

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:33 am

    “I wish the government was equally concerned about israeli australians going over to israel or other nations to fight in their armies.”

    Why? Can’t you see any difference there?

    “An army that is known to dehumanise, victimise and torture palestinians and their children.”

    The Israeli army is one of the most humane in the World. Especially considering they fight terrorists who deliberately get their own civilians killed for propaganda purposes.

  175. May 20, 2015 11:39 am
  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:49 am

    About time! This should boost Blib’s poll numbers.

  177. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 11:59 am

    In fact they decide whether or not they get all resentful at the government for taking a hard line on terrorists.

    And the grubmint makes that resentment way to easy for them.

    Also, as the story I linked to highlights, there a multitude areas of grey that a one size fits all seems to ignore. As TB said, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four"we have always been at war with IRAQ….. Syria … ISIS

  178. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:21 pm

    lol reb, I should try to keep up 🙂

    I just posted it on your new thread 🙂

    As for returned “tewwa”, how others are tackling it

    AARHUS, Denmark — In many parts of Europe, he would now be in jail. But here in Denmark’s second biggest city, the young man, a 21-year-old of Turkish descent who spent 13 months in Syria fighting in the name of Islam, passes his days playing soccer, working out at the gym and waiting anxiously to see if he has secured a place to study engineering at a well-regarded local university.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/14/world/for-jihadists-denmark-tries-rehabilitation.html?_r=2

  179. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:30 pm

    This should boost Blib’s poll numbers.

    Great, Tones Tradies Vs blibs Bogans.

    Referendum Rumble!

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:43 pm

    …The Israeli army is one of the most humane in the World…

    Where did you hear that sb, from the australian and israeli governments? They would say that wouldn’t they, since they are both complicit. The army investigates itself and clears itself of every accusation.

    http://www.refusersolidarity.net/about

    …Refuser Solidarity Network vigil for imprisoned conscientious objectors, NYC, January 2003.
    With their own eyes, they have seen the reality of occupation. They have been confronted by “commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people.” And now these soldiers have declared that they will no longer help to “dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.”…

    Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of ‘genocide’:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:41 pm

    My own comments mirrored last night!

    As petition founder April Murphy argues: “This television show is a disgrace … It is appalling that we live in a country that will not support marriage equality but will support a television show such as this!”

    Many commentators agreed, while others felt it denigrated “real” marriage.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-will-new-marriage-reality-tv-show-be-a-turn-off-or-a-turn-on-at-first-sight/story-fnihsr9v-1227358217673#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-news-plus-story%7C2%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1432100210524

    And the psychologists are just a couple of dumbos prostituting their profession …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:58 pm

    … the liberal friendly businesses, the hardhats, high vis vests and abbott pretending to be doing the work of the employees

    Don’t forget visiting the schools and scaring little kids! (A practice that should be banned for all pollies!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Israeli army is one of the most humane in the World.

    “humane” my arse …

    … the leadership of Netanyahu in Isreal has been a vindictive, fascist approach to the Palestinians for decades and continues today … based on his military history his governance involving Palestine reeks of ingrained revenge!

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