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Abbott Relegates the Unemployed to “Junk Status” at Meeting of Business Leaders

May 20, 2015

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Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott has relegated unemployed people to “used car” junk status who can be used, abused and tossed back on the scrap heap if they don’t measure up to an employer’s expectations.

The controversial measure, largely overlooked in the recent budget, will see unemployed people perform “work experience” for employers as part of the Government’s “work for the dole” program.

Addressing Queensland’s Chamber of Commerce, Mr Abbott told business leaders that they will be able to have a “try before you buy look” at unemployed people.

“It gives you a chance to have a kind of try before you buy look at unemployed people,” he said.

The measure paves the way for exploitation of the unemployed with no onus on the employer to provide initial or ongoing training, or any surety of employment beyond the initial trial period should the employee perform satisfactorily in the role.

The scheme provides zero protection for job seekers who may simply fall victim to unscrupulous employers who may view the scheme as a revolving door opportunity to benefit from a free workforce.

The Prime Minister says job seekers will be available to do up to four weeks work experience without losing their welfare benefits if they have been unemployed for six months.

“I think this is good for you, it gives you the opportunity to get staff who want to have a go. And it’s also good for the unemployed people of our country, the young unemployed people in particular, because it gives them the opportunity to show a potential employer what they can do rather than what they can’t do.”

The “try before you buy” comment has already received some backlash, with independent senator Nick Xenophon saying the remark was unhelpful.

“It’s probably not helpful to compare someone who’s trying to find a job with a used car that you can take for a test drive,” he said.

The new proposal comes as the government abandons its controversial plan to force young unemployed people to wait six months for the dole.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:14 pm

    “It gives you a chance to have a kind of try before you buy look at unemployed people,” he said.

    Perhaps we should do that with pollies?

    Now we get stuck with them for three years, which doesn’t seem like much, but witness that current pace of societal trashing this mob has achieved just to date, without this latest “kick the poor” budget to contend with

    Labor says Joe Hockey’s planned changes to family benefits will leave a single income family with two kids as much as $6,000 a year worse off. The scheme includes a plan to stop Family Tax Benefit Part B when the youngest child turns six, leaving families around $3,000 worse off every year, …..

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/5/19/federal-budget/false-economy-abbotts-family-package

  2. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:19 pm

    That’s not nice reb 😉

  3. Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2015 12:48 pm

    “The scheme includes a plan to stop Family Tax Benefit Part B when the youngest child turns six, leaving families around $3,000 worse off every year, …..”

    And what salary level for the household is that at ?

  4. May 20, 2015 12:56 pm

    The thing that’s clearly lacking in this dog of a scheme is that there’s no obligation on the part of the employer to provide any sort of induction or training… Nor are there any agreed measures to determine whether the employee has performed satisfactorily in the role and has therefore been successful in the role and goes on to fully paid employment.

    It’s basically slave labour.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 1:55 pm

    Disgusting use and abuse of vulnerable people [especially the young] for the benefit of business profits. Now employers have free workers each and every day. At least have them do government work and not private enterprise who should be paying for every minute of the time given.

    We really have gone US teabag!

  6. Kerry Marcon permalink
    May 20, 2015 1:56 pm

    More upstairs downstairs values from this clown

  7. Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2015 2:01 pm

    I think its a great idea in non skilled areas especially.

    If they cant get a job send them off to pick fruit. Not much training needed for that.

    Its a Win Win

    Excellent idea !

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:00 pm

    I’m in favour of the mutual obligation – if you get the dole, you do some work. In fact I think this ought to be extended to as many forms of welfare as possible.

    But the “try before you buy” is a little crass – even for Tony Abbott.

    I think the minimum wage is somewhere around $17 an hour. I think it’s reasonable that people on the dole get some work experience for (perhaps/about) a couple of days a week.

    That’s not ripping them off in terms of minimum wage rates.

  9. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:29 pm

    If they cant get a job send them off to pick fruit.

    Wouldn’t that be a job, rather than work for the dole?

    if you get the dole, you do some work.

    If you do some work, don’t you have a job?

    In fact I think this ought to be extended to as many forms of welfare as possible.

    I AGREE! Not sure the Institute of Chartered Accountants will be as keen though. All their members having to get their hands dirty 🙂

  10. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:32 pm

    “…If you do some work, don’t you have a job?…”

    You’re right tomr, one hour and they are fully employed aren’t they?

  11. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:54 pm

    You’re right tomr, one hour and they are fully employed aren’t they?

    You look different AO?

  12. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 3:55 pm

    “Try before you buy”

    How demeaning, are they people or are they market produce. Perhaps we’ll see the employers checking in their mouths and weighing their scrotum for the best stock – just like the old slave days!

  13. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:03 pm

    Workchoices is coming back, just with stealth. And Goosesteps

    The commission’s paper contains proposals designed to stop CFMEU officials from defying court orders prohibiting pickets, boycotts and bans on building sites.

    Under the proposal, a variation of “move-on” laws would be introduced allowing a police officer to read out a court order before calling on persons to disperse. Any person still present at the site after a specified period – for example, 15 minutes – could be charged or arrested.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/under-pressure-employers-want-royal-commission-killer-blow-20150519-gh4zj7

    Funniest part of that story is the start though, which exposes the witch hunt for the political tool it always was designed to be

    Among Tony Abbott’s allies in the business community, there is growing frustration that the Coalition’s Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption is failing to uncover the evidence necessary to convince voters that tighter controls on unions are required.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:05 pm

    I think the minimum wage is somewhere around $17 an hour. I think it’s reasonable that people on the dole get some work experience for (perhaps/about) a couple of days a week.

    That’s not ripping them off in terms of minimum wage rates.

    If the work is there then people should earn the appropriate wage rate … and it IS ripping them off … I agree with TR and KL above!

    Disgusting … whatever happened to the Green Army?

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:07 pm

    What happened to the new Good Government begins today shite!

  16. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:11 pm

    whatever happened to the Green Army?

    Don’t worry, their coming to a neighbourhood near you to reduce working conditions take away work from garden maintenance operators.

    A ”green army” of 15,000 young people will be paid as little as half the minimum wage

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-green-army-will-be-paid-half-the-minimum-wage-20140301-33st7.html

    And it beyond me how they can get away with this. Well, if the legislation gets through, that is.

    Green army members will be exempt from Commonwealth workplace laws, including the Work Health and Safety Act, the Fair Work Act and the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act.

    That’s fucken ridiculous

    one hour and they are fully employed aren’t they?

    According to international standards it is. Apparently, it made Africa look not so bad, way back when.

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:25 pm

    How is it ripping anyone off, if they’re to be paid $17 an hour?

  18. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:27 pm

    “…You look different AO?…”

    Difference between laptop at home and mobile at work!

  19. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:30 pm

    if they’re to be paid $17 an hour?

    Who’s getting paid $17 an hour yomm?

  20. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:32 pm

    “…Green army members will be exempt from Commonwealth workplace laws, including the Work Health and Safety Act, the Fair Work Act and the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act…”

    Because they know they will be breaching their working rights. Just like when they legislated to ensure the navy would not be liable for with human rights abuses with ‘stop the boats’.

    Too devious and tricky by far.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:38 pm

    I’m suggesting that the dole equals about 14 hours at $17. So I really don’t have any problem with people working a couple of days a week of rheyre getting $250 from taxpayers

  22. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:39 pm

    Too devious and tricky by far.

    It’s not really devious though is it, it’s just plain stupid.

    What I cannot get, is they are doing this after they ran such a disgusting campaign against the Rudd Government for the Pink Batts program.

    The guys who died were all breaking workplace safety laws (and not always their fault either) that this fucken idiot mob now want to remove.

    It’s just so fucken DUMB!

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:39 pm

    “if they’re”

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:45 pm

    So we have a Tory government treating unemployed people like communists in a command system … while the rest of the workforce “benefit” from a “free” market …

    It’s fkn medieval!

    And unless you have been unemployed for any length of time then you do not understand the feeling of helplessness and low esteem it brings …

    Six weeks was enough for me, my wife and two small kids, mortgage and personal loan – I actually mowed over our last dollar the day I got a job interview – it now resides in my study laminated and framed … as a reminder!

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 4:47 pm

    Note: The Minister just reminded me that we didn’t actually receive the dole … at the time there was a six weeks waiting period …

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2015 5:04 pm

    I don’t think it is reasonable to have people work for less than $17 an hour, unless they’re juniors, students etc.

    If the only benefit is that they get some “work experience” on the cheap (for employers) it’s unsatisfactory.

    If the doles pays for about 2 days, the employer can pay for the other 3, and they’re still getting a discount/subsidised employee.

  27. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2015 6:03 pm

    I don’t think it is reasonable to have people work for less than $17 an hour

    So, you’will be marching in the streets against the green smarmy then I assume hey yomm?

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2015 6:37 pm

    I don’t think it is reasonable to have people work for less than $17 an hour, unless they’re juniors, students etc.

    So at what age would that be, ToM?

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2015 8:49 pm

    What i find funny is ALP supporters giving lectures on employment.

    TB of Queensland voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

    The ALP and its supporters do not know how to create a job.

  30. May 20, 2015 11:15 pm

    Well Abbott is the penultimate used car salesman.. difference is he will not any any promise of guarantee…
    I’m certain that the voters of this country certainly didn’t get what the expected and a Lemon would be a kind expression for a steaming turd
    Had voters been afforded a try before you buy with Rabbitt.. fuckwits like Nil would have peddled down the highway with no brakes to impending doom claiming its better than the last lot…
    Just more captains cattle call cockswabble

  31. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:00 am

    Whew, for a minute, I thought yabot was just being insensitive.

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:08 am

    hehe, he’s always got a problem with his figurative speech – it’s offensive and insensitive.
    The slogan bogan got it wrong this time, I guess we won’t be hearing that one repeated ad nauseum. Desperately seeking new three word slogan?

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:32 am

    Listened to another “expert” on radicalisation last night (Lateline) … many of the “experts” talk about “using” those Muslims who travel to Syria to fight IS propaganda here …

    These “experts” also suggest there is a small risk to the Australian population (if their “experiment” doesn’t work out …

    Well I for one won’t accept that risk to my family … why should we be part of a twisted social experiment (again!) …

    If “radicalised”, ignorant young men and women want to “experience” IS … then do so … but they should never be allowed back in this country …

    And that should be the DETERRENT to others … not some brain twisted moron who has changed his/her mind TWICE …

    The people our authorities should be pressuring and I mean pressuring … is the Imams who have contact with these poor sods (yes I feel sorry for them) from early childhood every week into their teens/twenties …

    I cannot believe that young people are only influenced by IS propaganda …

    And for these people to say they were shocked by the “reality” of beheadings, stonings and mass murder is beyond belief …

    As a nation we truly are becoming a target of soft heads …

    (Footnote: The “expert” last night suggested a moratorium on illegal weapons to make it more difficult for people like Man Monis can’t get hold of weapons … fkn experts!

    A moratorium so that the only people with a weapon on the street would be a crim … or a cop … China and Indonesia must love that idea.)

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:36 am

  35. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:43 am

    There are quite a few stories getting out about the “hopelessness” of Shorten. I can only see this as good news, it means they are running scared. Once they start attacking a Labor leader in earnest, it means that leader is doing the right thing imo

    Tony Abbott may be personally unpopular among middle-ground voters but the group that broke from the ALP at the 2013 election is not coming back to Bill Shorten, with many regarding him as a ranting puppet obsessed with political point scoring, and lacking in charisma.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-dysfunction-fears-bill-shorten-fails-to-cut-through-with-middleaustralia-20150520-gh61q9.html

    We’ll ignore the point that I’m sure there are many who would say exactly the same about yabot, but that’s beside the point. What I like most was the “options” for their poll.

    Poll: What do you think of Bill Shorten?

    He would be a good PM, but just needs more time for people to get to know him
    He needs to tighten up his act quick smart
    He’s simply not up to the task of being PM
    Other

    Nice choice of options there lol

    And after reading a story like that, it’s not hard to guess the “winner”

    All I can say is, keep doing what you are doing Shorten. You’ve got the main portion of the media scrum painting lipstick on this budget and yabot, reporting everything positive they can, while focussing on every negative (imagined or not) they can dream up about you.

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 10:47 am

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:23 am

    …Sure enough, there soon followed a classic “who me?” performance from the Prime Minister, saying he had never proposed an inquiry, never said there would be one and it was all Xenophon’s idea.

    Never mind the draft terms of reference, never mind his own words over successive days.

    Rewriting what was said or done yesterday has become a bad Abbott habit. Hockey does it too. If it doesn’t stop, not even those who eventually get what they want will respect them in the morning…

  38. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:28 am

    If it doesn’t stop, not even those who eventually get what they want will respect them in the morning

    It won’t stop unless the media call him out on it. I’ll grant that Savva has been one of the few, but, the majority of reports are just ‘meh, that’s our tones’

    Can you imagine the OUTRAGE had this been a Labor pollie lying like that?

    Even the headline from the liberal propaganda unit paints it as a win for ryabot

    Tony Abbott digs himself out of mining inquiry hole

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:34 am

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:44 am

    … the majority of reports are just ‘meh, that’s our tones’

    And that reflects on our nation … I for one do not want to be associated with a mealy-mouthed, misogynistic, mind changing, moronic anglophile!

    Flip flopping all over the place the Liberal Party is actually an uncontrolled rabble … I do get a bit concerned when people like Brandis suddenly become quiet and imbeciles like Bernardi are all over the current affairs programs …

    I do hope you are watching Charlie Pickering on The Weekly, ABC … I didn’t think he could come up to Shaun Micallef’s Mad as Hell … but last night was a scorcher!

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:46 am

    Flip flopping all over the place the Liberal Party is actually an uncontrolled rabble

    Says the man who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

  42. May 21, 2015 8:23 pm

    Australia`s””””””Prime Minister Tony Abbott has relegated unemployed people to `used-car` junk status who can be used, abused and tossed back on the scrap heap if they don`t measure up to an employer`s expectations.”””””””

    #to join the lower levels of working-poor, 457-slaves, and junk-jobbers l suppose.

    +

    #tonight reportland covered power-wall

    #nice to see east-coast teabag-media only be 19-months behind west-coast

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2015 11:34 pm

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:03 am

  45. May 22, 2015 12:50 am

    “It’s not really devious though is it, it’s just plain stupid.

    What I cannot get, is they are doing this after they ran such a disgusting campaign against the Rudd Government for the Pink Batts program.

    The guys who died were all breaking workplace safety laws (and not always their fault either) that this fucken idiot mob now want to remove.

    It’s just so fucken DUMB!”

    Yes indeed, but you seem to be disturbing the asslicking AbbottCorp narrative, TomR…& those of us who don’t/won’t are painted as Union/ALP lackeys.

    One thing I can give away…my employer is currently trying to reduce my/our annualised wage by $26+p.h.
    In spite of all of the productivity increases my employer has seen over the intervening time period.

    They’ve heard the federal dogwhistle, and if they are returned those of us not in cubicles will be supined ala the Third World.

    Luckily, my comrades have raised the middle finger, unequivocably, and it’s demonstrably sure that we’d all rather take them for what they owe us than supine ourselves & inevitably be shut on the cheap.

    Watch this space…after the confidentiality clauses are defunct & any sort of ‘loyalty’ becomes obviously whored out…

    I still hope working people will send these cunts into the political wilderness…

    And what was that about god’s representative in Australia for whom AbbottCorp Shills again?
    Semantics & distortions to obviously evade the ultimate, deserved, responsibilities coming his (let’s face it, there are no ‘she’s’) way.
    Lucky they raced him off to the Vatican…I’m sure he/they had no idea os the deplorable storm on the horizon…after all, they were just kids, and it’s such a long tim ago :sarc

  46. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 8:50 am

    yabot is not just relegating unemployed to junk status, he’s doing it with parents too. And highlighting just how porous his words are.

    Read that paragraph carefully, and you see why the Coalition is in so much trouble over parental leave. Before the election, the Coalition made it crystal clear that it viewed parental leave as a workplace right – “not a welfare payment.”

    Fast-forward to 2015, and the government’s rhetoric has changed. Dramatically.
    – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/21/paid-parental-leave-why-break-promise-once-when-you-can-double-dip#sthash.lgOe9qyL.dpuf

    How the media ever let him get away with “workplace right” while being subsidised by tax payers and not employers is beyond me. But how they don’t bury him for this most debilitating of back flips is beyond me.

    BUT, the ppl backflip is not the worst. At the same time, they are ripping FTB from those who need it the most, something that to date has been largely missed by the media

    Sole parents, single parents and parents of disabled children will be hardest hit under changes to family tax benefits, designed to save money and get primary carers back to work.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/single-parents-will-be-hardest-hit-by-budget-cuts-to-family-tax-benefits

    Once the sugar hit (reality) of the $20,000 small business tax “break” wears off (which will be quite soon I imagine), this budget will look quite contractionary, rather then stimulatory like the grubmint is currently (hypocritically) bragging about.

    Small business might have a spending splurge, but this will only reduce revenue for the grubmint into the near future, and it looks like families, the big spenders, will be tightening belts even further.

    They just can’t help but kick the poor this mob can they.

  47. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 8:52 am

    but you seem to be disturbing the asslicking AbbottCorp narrative

    Kind of lost me there toilet, as in, not sure what you are saying at all?

    I blame the cheap coffee at this hour 🙂

  48. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 9:42 am

    “”They just can’t help but kick the poor this mob can they.””

    Yeah…………families on $150,000 per annum getting FTB are certainly doing it tough.

    ROFLMAO

  49. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 10:11 am

    “”There are quite a few stories getting out about the “hopelessness” of Shorten. I can only see this as good news, it means they are running scared””

    ROFLMAO………………………you are on a roll……….keep em coming.

    Shorten is the LNPs best chance at getting re-elected.

    Did you see his Budget reply…………………………..fucking hilarious.

    Ever noticed how Foxtel replay every Seinfeld episode every long weekend.

    Well they should just put Shorten’s Budget Reply on a loop next holiday weekend

  50. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 11:15 am

    Yeah…………families on $150,000 per annum getting FTB are certainly doing it tough.

    Of course, the cuts go much further than that. Or were you too busy rofling to notice?

    ……..fucking hilarious.

    Can you explain why? Or you just listening to the likes of bolt attacking him no matter what?

    He not only put forward policies, he also outlined tax measures to pay for it, to which the gallery of course replied with the “but how will you pay for it” fucken muppets.

  51. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 11:16 am

    Well done SA, sometimes I’m very glad I’m here

  52. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 11:33 am

    “”he also outlined tax measures to pay for it, to which the gallery of course replied with the “but how will you pay for it” fucken muppets.””

    Well………………we know that’s just BS

    Plus not one spending cut.

    Like I said keep Shorten front and centre please.

    Then on top of his Thursday night disaster he was less than certain as to how to deal with returning Jihadiasts.

    Something about “deradicalising”” or some other sympathetic bullshit .

    Just hilarious.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:14 pm

    Just hilarious.

    What’s not hilarious is the way the Catholic Church has destroyed far more Australian families and individuals than any radicalised muslim jihadists …

    And the Prime Monster* openly defending Pell the Paedophile Rapist Protector …

    So why aren’t the “ordinary” Catholics up in arms and vocal about that … just as you expect the average Muslim to be about jihadists?

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:24 pm

    He not only put forward policies, he also outlined tax measures to pay for it,

    You should be a comedian. Labor measure to pay for anything means borrowing from overseas and going into deeper debt.

  55. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:30 pm

  56. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:31 pm

    “”What’s not hilarious is the way the Catholic Church has destroyed far more Australian families and individuals than any radicalised muslim jihadists …””

    Of course you have a link for that dont ya ?

    You really do display that typical old English bigotry towards the Catholic Church dont ya…………………….as I have pointed out before I might add’.

    And being a Leftie I’m not surprised that you embrace Jihad

  57. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:31 pm

    Plus not one spending cut.

    See what I mean, fucken journos have no idea, and you listen to them at your peril.

    And you are welcome to work with Labor on our clear, fair plans to improve the Budget bottom line by more than $21 billion dollars in the decade ahead.

    Making foreign multinationals pay their fair share of tax: a concrete, costed measure, raising over $7 billion dollars.

    Improving the Budget bottom line by an additional $14 billion, by tightening unsustainably generous superannuation tax concessions, subsidised by Australian taxpayers to those who already have millions in their accounts.

    http://www.alp.org.au/budget_reply_speech

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:40 pm

    And you are welcome to work with Labor on our clear, fair plans to improve the Budget bottom line

    Has there ever been a Labor govt that has improved the budget bottom line? It just aint gonna happen.

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 12:52 pm

  60. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 1:29 pm

    “”…………and you listen to them at your peril.””

    Oh I see……………………..increasing Revenue (whether it works or not and increasing Super Taxes) = Spending Cuts or should I say “‘Budget Saves””

    ROFLMAO

    Like I said………..not one spending cut

  61. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 1:42 pm

    increasing Revenue ! = Spending Cuts but both AND/OR can be used to improve the bottom line. It need not be “cuts or nothing”, as I mentioned in regards to 7,230’s position the other night. Shorten should have slammed her for it but, I suppose, once he did that, it would have been headlines of “Labor TAXES” (ignoring of course the reality)

    not one spending cut

    I’ll paste it slowly so you can read it slowly 😉

    by tightening unsustainably generous superannuation tax concessions,

  62. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 1:43 pm

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2015 1:58 pm

    http://thekouk.com/blog/it-s-the-coalition-that-it-addicted-to-tax.html#.VV6Joh2hS7U.twitter

    The Kouk has just gone against what most people said about the Coalition. The Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget say ALP supporters. Now Kouk is saying anyone can run a surplus if you tax the crap out of people.

    Wow! Isn’t it easy to run a budget surplus when you are taxing the tripe out of the population?

    I think ALP supporters loyalty is to the ALP first and Australia is well down the list.

  64. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2015 4:42 pm

    You really don’t make a lot of sense nIl

    #justsayin’

  65. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2015 5:30 pm

    “Senator Xenophon said the iron ore inquiry, which was formally abandoned by Treasurer Joe Hockey on Thursday, was “killed off by shock and ore”.”

    More like “killed off by common sense”

  66. May 22, 2015 5:50 pm

    Fuck you’re an insidious bore Nil….

    Most of those mining company types should be in clink.. bribery, tax fraud, sheer complete audacious asshatness

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2015 6:06 pm

    Of course you have a link for that dont ya ?

    You really do display that typical old English bigotry towards the Catholic Church dont ya…………………….as I have pointed out before I might add’.

    And being a Leftie I’m not surprised that you embrace Jihad

    1) Link? Read the Royal Commission reports on child abuse … I don’t need fkn links … pathetic … watch the news tonight …

    2) Far from Olde Englysh, cobber … you demonstrate yer, Pommie, Tory leanings far more …

    3) … demonstrated by your twisted logic that suddenly sees me as embracing jihad – I’M A FUCKING AGNOSTIC how many times must you be told?

    ALL organised religion is TRIPE and has caused more death, destruction and sorrow in the world than anything I can think of.

    4) Quite frankly your “attack is the best form of defence” replies are reflective (reflexive?) of the Catlik church to a tee … and its members in general … all you do is reinforce the Catlik Community mindset … a big blanket over the BS …

    5) You vote Liberal … obviously … 🙄

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2015 6:10 pm

    Like I said………..not one spending cut

    NEGATIVE GEARING is a good place to start … and people earning $75,000 per year from super – on the pension …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2015 6:12 pm

    You really don’t make a lot of sense nIl

    You’ve just found out! 😮

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2015 6:18 pm

    More like “killed off by common sense”

    No such thing as commonsense, or is it common-sense? Maybe it is common sense? We’d all spell it the same way …

    Perhaps it was someone (or is that some one) smart enough to tell the government that we survive in a wonderful free market, capitalist world, controlled by Robber Barons – and Vatican Cardinals … ?

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2015 7:37 pm

    You really don’t make a lot of sense nIl

    Actually it is labor supporters who make no sense. That link you gave by Koukoulas says the exact opposite of what most ALP supporters have been saying. The Kouk says the Coalition have always been high taxing which is why Costello ran surplus budgets. That is different to the usual line which is Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget.

    But as everybody with a brain knows, the Kouk is a fraud.

  72. May 22, 2015 9:44 pm

    Nil you can have a go when Tony’s finished

  73. May 22, 2015 9:50 pm

    The Kouk loves debt. Except when the Libs are in office.

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2015 10:25 pm

  75. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 23, 2015 12:39 am

    “Of course you have a link for that dont ya ?”

    Already read it

    It says nothing like you said

    So link it ……… Or is ghost just more of the usual BS from you .

    ” I prefer to retire early and sponge off the Taxpayer”

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2015 12:40 am

    While the Abbott government was adamant it wouldn’t subsidise the car industry it continues to provide billions of dollars’ worth of support to the miners.

    See this is wrong. What is it with ALP supporters and falsehoods??? What was made clear was that the subsidies that were promised were not going to be increased. This Richard Dennis guy is a liar.

    http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx

    The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.

    The ATS will provide $2.5 billion in capped assistance and approximately $348 million in uncapped assistance.”

    I have never met a people who tell more lies than supporters of the ALP.

  77. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 23, 2015 12:50 am

    “2) Far from Olde Englysh, cobber … you demonstrate yer, Pommie, Tory leanings far more …”

    Duh..,…….,..try Irish

    Try and keep up

    1803 via Canadia ( LOL ) to be exact

    But we cannot go past much before the 1700s because bigoted arseholes just like you burnt all the churches down

    Your wonderful claim to fame

    In fact you are pretty much the same at destroying History as The Islamists are smashing down stuff

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2015 9:57 am

    I guess the “experts” get there in the end …

    Suck all the wealth out of the economy and it grinds to a halt …

    >A global study warns the gap between rich and poor is widening at a dramatic pace.

    The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, or the OECD, has found that the world’s richest 10 per cent earns nearly 10 times more than the poorest 10 per cent.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-22/oecd-urges-higher-taxes-on-wealthy-to-address-income-gap/6490150

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ” I prefer to retire early and sponge off the Taxpayer”

    No-one gets the pension or part thereof until 65 … better to pay taxes and retire early than to dodge ’em and rip off the taxpayers for a lifetime, hey? 😉

    BTW I still pay taxes … stop sounding so miserable and jealous all the time … typical WCP

    But we cannot go past much before the 1700s because bigoted arseholes just like you burnt all the churches down

    Why would an agnostic want to burn a fkn church down? We don’t fkn care one way or the other … it was the sadistic churchgoers that fired each other’s churches …

    Maybe yer just not smart enough … my ancestry has been traced back to 1515 … 🙂

    And FYI it was the Great Fire of London in 1666 that caused the big loss of documents … and there wouldn’t have been many, if any from the Emerald Isle … you must try harder … as usual …

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2015 9:57 am

    Did I mention Robber Barons …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2015 10:30 am

    Did I mention Robber Barons

    Says the man who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

    Listen deadbeat, people have never changed. If in power they will abuse it. If given taxpayers money, human beings will abuse it.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2015 1:03 pm

    FED BUDGET FAILS FAIRNESS TEST: ACOSS

    THE Abbott Government’s budget measures will cost Australian families and low income earners $15 billion, a new report shows.

    BY keeping most of its 2014 savings measures and delivering new cuts, the Federal Government will rip the money from basic services and supports over four years, according to a Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) report released on Saturday.
    The figure includes $6 billion in cuts to family payments and a $1 billion decrease on health spending.
    ACOSS also says the two budgets will cut $1.8 billion, increasing to a total combined $80 billion over 10 years, from hospitals and education.
    CEO Dr Cassandra Goldie says the overall budget is unfair, with combined cuts from the two budgets to severely impact low and middle income earners.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/fed-budget-fails-fairness-test-acoss/story-e6frfku9-1227366175195

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2015 1:34 pm

    Too funnie. Lefties talking about fairness.

    It was not fair that Keating won an election when unemployment was at 11%.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2015 5:17 pm

    Church*goers attacking other churchgoers … not an atheist or agnostic in sight …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/isis-suicide-bomber-in-deadly-strike-on-saudi-shiite-mosque/story-fndir2ev-1227366086310

    History repeats … from protestants v catholics to shi’ite v sunni … can you see any difference …

    No atheist v agnostic reports I can find …

    *technically mosquegoers …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2015 5:22 pm

    SPESHUL BULETYN 4 WALLY:

    http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

  85. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 23, 2015 11:54 pm

    “And FYI it was the Great Fire of London in 1666 that caused the big loss of documents … and there wouldn’t have been many, if any from the Emerald Isle … you must try harder … as usual …”

    Are you fucking serious !

    You actually believe English and Superior Irish Racial records were kept in the same fucking City

    Hello…………….they were kept at each Irish Parish Church

    Until your ares hole sniffing English burnt most down

    Go read ya history !

  86. May 24, 2015 7:25 am

    Sounding a bit unhinged there Walrus.

    Upset you lost your argument over at the Catholic Church thread….?

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2015 9:05 am

    YES! Wonder how Wally will vote here? We are having a referendum aren’t we?

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/ireland-votes-in-favour-of-gay-marriage/story-e6frfkui-1227366869483

    Just a reminder it was the Irish who first banned ciggies in pubs and clubs …

    Oh! And BTW Wally because I can trace my ancestry to 1515 … my heritage is Norse gods then catlik via the Normans … my lot took England from Harold II at Battle in Sussex … it’s referred to as the Battle of Hastings …

    You actually believe English and Superior Irish Racial records were kept in the same fucking City

    Hello…………….they were kept at each Irish Parish Church

    Do I fkn care … you made the assertion in the first place … I have no time for organised crime religion … remember …

    I have plenty of time for the Irish tho’ … usually very friendly, open and interesting … but that’s in Ireland … 😉

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2015 10:26 am

    I just happened to look at the “hits”, sreb … so close to 1 million!

    That’s amazing! 😮

  89. Team Chapter 51 Verses 21-22 permalink
    May 24, 2015 12:32 pm

    It’s safe to say this is the one day of the year when it’s good to be green,” the English-born prime minister said. “It has been said of Australia that the English made the laws, the Scots made the money and the Irish made the songs. “Today we celebrate our Irish heritage. I’m sorry I can’t be there to share a Guinness or two, and maybe even three. But like you I do rejoice….”

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2015 4:33 pm

    I must be a wonderfully narrow lifestyle to simply have faith in what you are told instead of having to figure it out for yourself … and these people make decisions for who?

    It’s a far cry from the views of Senator Joanna Lindgren who told Fairfax Media she opposed gay marriage because of her Catholic faith.

    “I don’t believe in abortion, I don’t believe in euthanasia, I don’t believe in same-sex marriages,” she said.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/senator-jacqui-lambie-calls-for-australian-referendum-on-gay-marriage/story-fnizhakg-1227367144364

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2015 4:34 pm

    It … ahaha … beat ya two* it ToM …

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2015 4:57 pm

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2015 6:15 pm

    From your link, KL …

    The Catholic-led union has been a stumbling block for same sex marriage legislation, and could be again when the issue returns to Parliament later this year.

    Fairfax Media has investigated the political, industrial and social clout wielded by the SDA, and its close relationship with employers, including payments to retailers of as much as $40 million over the past decade as “commission” for the employers deducting union fees from members’ pay packets.

    Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    How can it be catlik led FFS! Oh how silly of me … the smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

    $40 million! Of members money?

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2015 11:30 am

    The shoppies pay woolies to deduct the union fees from payroll. This gives catholic joe de bruyn the largest membership and voting bloc at national conference where he uses that membership to defeat any gay marriage proposal.
    Joe de bruyn has never polled his membership on gay marriage, even though there are many gays in his union. De bruyn works in the shadows, the only time you see him mentioned in the papers is when he uses the media to give messages against

    Binding vote for Labor MPs on same-sex marriage ‘foolish’, says union heavyweight Joe de Bruyn:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/binding-vote-for-labor-mps-on-samesex-marriage-foolish-says-union-heavyweight-joe-de-bruyn-20150427-1mu1nt.html

    …Most SDA members will be surprised to discover that the union’s constitution commits it to a paternalistic “safeguarding” of their interests, not only industrially but “morally”, “socially” and “intellectually” as well. No need, therefore, to involve members in debates on matters such as marriage equality.

    Paid union staff are on a tight leash. The first clause of an organiser’s employment contract from the mid-2000s, obtained by Fairfax Media, demands “loyalty” to the elected secretary “at all time”. Clause two is headed “confidentiality”.

    Such control and discipline by long-serving officials with shared conservative values at national and state levels, make the SDA leadership a formidable political force…

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2015 11:45 am

    Battle surrounds union’s alleged anti-gay stance
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/battle-surrounds-unions-alleged-antigay-stance-20130524-2k573.html

    …One organiser who is questioning the union’s ethics was sacked Thursday – the day before he was set to challenge for the union’s top job as secretary…

    …Alan Swetman says the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association is lecturing young employees to stand against gay rights, euthanasia and abortion…

    …A second SDA member confirmed the lectures took place. ‘‘When we choose our shop stewards we have to make sure they are not gay and they have to have the same thinking lines along that type of thing,’’ the member said…

  96. May 25, 2015 1:16 pm
  97. Walrus permalink
    May 25, 2015 3:43 pm

    “Upset you lost your argument over at the Catholic Church thread….?”

    What argument and if there was one I dont see how I lost .

    I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the generalisations that you lot carry on about in regards to all Christianity.

    You all proved that to be quite correct

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2015 3:43 pm

    Ugg boot ban!!!

    That’s just so unfair by the bureaucrats. Next thing they’ll probably expect people to change out of their pyjamas and dressing gowns.

  99. May 25, 2015 3:59 pm

    Ross Gittens lets down his guard, confirming what we all knew to be true, anway: “Peter Costello had two counts against me: I was from Sydney and, like virtually all journos, I was biased against him politically.”

  100. May 25, 2015 3:59 pm

    *Gittins

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2015 4:25 pm

    Cloose … ToSY … everybody else workin’ today I see …

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2015 4:26 pm

    Ooops … close …

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2015 5:04 pm

    …Ross Gittens lets down his guard…

    Yes he has

    http://media.canberratimes.com.au/video-news/video-good-weekend/ross-gittins-a-sally-on-the-inside-6552453.html

    …“Peter Costello had two counts against me: I was from Sydney and, like virtually all journos, I was biased against him politically.”…

    A bit misleading, gittins basically says the opposite, says costello was the one assuming a political partisanship from him when it was not so.

    …Peter Costello had two counts against me: I was from Sydney and, like virtually all journos, I was biased against him politically. It’s true I criticised him on more issues than I supported him. But though I backed him vigorously on some unpopular measures, it would never have crossed his mind that my criticism arose from our differing values, not from partisanship…

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2015 5:53 pm

    Never let the facts get in the way of propaganda.

    Bureau of Meteorology rejects Maurice Newman’s climate claims:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bureau-of-meteorology-rejects-maurice-newmans-climate-claims-20150525-gh90md.html

    …”What I can say is the primary cause of global warming is the emission of CO2 and the primary reason CO2 emissions are increasing is from the burning of fossil fuels,” Dr Vertessy said. “Coal is a fossil fuel.”

    …Mr Newman’s comments were described by the UN’s top climate official Christiana Figueres last month as joke.

    “I really don’t take it very seriously because it doesn’t respond to the reality or to facts,” she said…

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2015 5:58 pm

    A public servant on tier way to work…

    Who could possibly object?

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2015 6:04 pm

    A public servant on tier way to work…

    I hear that style is in vogue right across, Melbourne this year, ToM …

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2015 6:11 pm

    ABUSE occurs in every faith but it seems to be more marked in Catholic institutions, psychiatrist and University of NSW Associate Professor Carolyn Quadrio told the child sex abuse royal commission

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/celibacy-doesnt-drive-sex-abuse-expert/story-e6frfku9-1227368070488

    I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the generalisations that you lot carry on about in regards to all Christianity.

    In my case its … Do I fkn care … you made the assertion in the first place … I have no time for organised crime religion … remember …

    If you didn’t twist and turn so much and put your words and thoughts into other people’s comments you might have a bit more credibility … but then that might mean you have to accept facts – just occasionally …

  108. May 25, 2015 7:59 pm

    “”If you didn’t twist and turn so much and put your words and thoughts into other people’s comments you might have a bit more credibility …”

    HEAR HEAR!!!!

  109. May 25, 2015 9:20 pm

  110. May 25, 2015 9:25 pm

    Richard Schmid, 1934 –

  111. May 25, 2015 9:34 pm

    Schmid

  112. May 25, 2015 9:35 pm

    Another by Richard Schmid, arguably the greatest living American artist …

  113. May 25, 2015 9:42 pm

    Schmid, nude:

  114. May 25, 2015 10:19 pm

    Schmid, Iron Fence …

  115. May 25, 2015 10:21 pm

  116. May 25, 2015 11:35 pm

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:25 am

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:37 am

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 8:16 am

    Did you know that gross government debt is expect to hit $1.5 trillion by 2055 under the policies in Mr Hockey’s budget?

    Did you know I’ll be 108 by then?

    No wonder Jockey won’t touch negative gearing, family trusts, pollie’s perqs or multinationals … he’s a Robber Baron … ever wonder why there are so many millionaires running “us” …

    An audience member asked the Treasurer if he believed it was double dipping when politicians received a $270 a night living-away-from-home allowance, but spent the money on a house owned by their spouse.

    “The figures they had was you claimed up to more than $100,000 in allowances relating to that. Did that go into the mortgage?” host Tony Jones asked him.

    “Well, Tony, I don’t know. I pay rent,” Mr Hockey replied.

    “You pay rent to your wife?” Jones asked.

    “Is there a problem with that?” the Treasurer shot back.

    Jones then brought the Treasurer back to the original question — whether struggling homeowners would find it acceptable that politicians get a taxpayer-funded subsidy for buying a house.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/treasurer-joe-hockey-faces-grilling-on-qa-over-this-years-budget/story-e6frfmyi-1227369005759

    Follow

    amagickeagle999 ‎@amagickeagle999

    Hockey just doesn’t get it… He could stay at his wife’s house for nothing.. Why is he still talking about his entitlements? #auspol #qanda

    10:16 PM – 25 May 2015

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  120. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 8:22 am

    lol, hockey wants the states to put in a tax cut for him, after ripping billions out. What a moronic wanker.

    Weren’t they just talking about upping the GST? Policey on hte run, or out the bum?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/joe-hockey-says-he-will-put-tampon-tax-question-to-states/6496512

    By the time we finish, we’ll basically have a gst on specific items charged at specific rates depending on that item …………..Not that there’s anything wrong with that. 😉

  121. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 8:24 am

    Why is he still talking about his entitlements?

    Because it’s the age of..

    He just forgot to mention it was the age of HIS entitlements

  122. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 8:29 am

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:15 am

    A generation ago, or less, Greece had the level of debt that Australia now has. The factors that caused the spiral into chaos-
    * Pensions and welfare – too easily available and not targeted
    * Large, militant public service that lacked accountability
    * Tax avoidance, and taxing a diminishing base at an increasing rate
    * Politicians taking easy options and blaming their predecessors

    Unless politicians get on top of the debt problem, we’ll start to confront a situation in about a decade and a half.

  124. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:20 am

    “If you didn’t twist and turn so much and put your words and thoughts into other people’s comments you might have a bit more credibility … but then that might mean you have to accept facts – just occasionally …”

    Hilarious coming from a stoopid bigoted c*nt like you who was on the evidence so far obviously brought up in the traditional English manner of hating catholics because well they are catholics.

    Ya Ma and Pa would be sooooooooooooooooo proud

  125. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:20 am

    yomm spends the early morning wettin his pantz.

    Stop reading murdoch yomm, it can’t be good fer the liver

    Meanwhile, the libs have locked in unsustainabilty, even though the opposition went out on a limb for bi-partisan action. Whilst the usual suspects clamored loudly that Labor weren’t offering up any way to get the books back into balance cutting . Never trust a lib with open arms.

    And then Abbott decided it was off. Eyes fixed on the next election, be declared there would no changes to the super tax concessions, not now, not ever.

    I am just one who’s been taken for a ride. Welfare lobbyists who cautiously supported the winding back of pension access in return for action on super; the super industry itself, which offered up modest savings; the opposition, which drew up its own proposals, believing the offer of bipartisanship was genuine – all of us have been waiting for something we are now told won’t happen.

    Except that it will. After the election whoever wins will (re)discover that tax concessions skewed to Australia’s highest earners exceeding the cost of the pension are not sustainable.

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/tax-reform-would-get-more-from-rich-targets-20150525-gh8ocx

  126. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:23 am

    Do people realise there’is a thread to either bitch about catlicks or continuing to protect kiddy fiddlers??

  127. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:29 am

    And now it is there for hockey to cry even more about

    NATSEM budget modelling released in full following furious political debate

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/natsem-budget-modelling-released-in-full-following-furious-political-debate-20150525-gh9hm0.html

    In this case, it looks like Labor have really played the libs own petulance back against themselves. The libs ramped this up with their stack on the staffer to new levels of bitchiness, and now it’s front and center. If it was done on purpose, it was well done, if not, then it fell down nicely for Labor

    “The results clearly demonstrate that low income families with children are the main family group to be adversely impacted by policy changes since the last election,” the report notes.

    “High income families and singles and couples without children are shown to be largely unaffected by this budget either in the short or longer term”.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:36 am

    Tom R prefers not to learn the lessons that Greece is so painfully learning.

  129. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:42 am

    “The Catholic-led union has been a stumbling block for same sex marriage legislation,…”

    “How can it be catlik led FFS! Oh how silly of me … the smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!..”

    “The shoppies pay woolies to deduct the union fees from payroll. This gives catholic joe de bruyn the largest membership…………”

    “Upset you lost your argument over at the Catholic Church thread….?”

    I didn’t bring it up on this Thread.

    But just look at the various bigots above. The irrational hatred just eats away at them constantly.

    Its quite funny watching it.

  130. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:46 am

    I didn’t bring it up on this Thread.

    It’s always about you isn’t it wally 😯

    Tom R prefers not to learn the lessons that Greece is so painfully learning

    I prefer not to wet my pantz when comparing decades of failure in Greece with modest deficits here.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:59 am

    So Greece a couple of decades ago was where we are now and they found it politically convenient to side step their mounting debt. Always saying it was manageable and really no worse than Japan, or Italy, or Spain…

    For a decade and a half they had the opportunity to find a solution but political division stymied the effort.

    If you think there’s no urgency in starting you’re in the same delusional state as Greece.

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:02 am

    HAHAHAHAHHAHA

    Australia’s enthusiasm for online streaming services like Netflix is showing no sign of slowing as new research suggests almost a million pay-TV subscribers are considering abandoning Foxtel.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/2015/05/24/foxtel-losing-war-netflix/

    So Greece a couple of decades ago was where we are now

    Is that what I said pantzwetta?

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:04 am

    A generation ago, or less, Greece had the level of debt that Australia now has. The factors that caused the spiral into chaos-

    Now, that deserves a LINK … some of us have spent some time in Greece over a few decades … and comparing Oz to Greece is something I find fkn hilarious …

    Just a couple of items that fk that argument … Greeks were eligible for a pension at 50 … the country relies on tourism almost totally … home owners who never “finish” their homes pay no rates nor state taxes …

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    But just look at the various bigots above. The irrational hatred just eats away at them constantly.

    It took a long time for the “bigots” to get a royal commission on child abuse … they’re still working on all the other “interference” … when its stops so will I … and others …

  134. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:08 am

    This is from the grubmint (and cheerers) who claim that the only way Labor can “balance the budget” is through CUTS.

    Hypocritical fuckwits.

    FactCheck: is tax up every year under the Abbott government?

    ……

    Verdict

    Mr Bowen’s statement is correct. Based on available Treasury data, the estimated tax-to-GDP ratio in 2014-15 is the highest since 2008-09. The ratio is also expected to increase further over the next four years. Therefore, the statement of the Shadow Treasurer is true.

    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-is-tax-up-every-year-under-the-abbott-government-41966

    FACTCHECK

    The libs raise our taxes, whilst simultaneously blowing out the deficit.

  135. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:11 am

    “It took a long time for the “bigots” to get a royal commission on child abuse ”

    So what has the Shops Union got to do with the Royal Commission ?

    Answer: Nothing………….only a true bigot would draw a parallel like you did above

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:11 am

    If you think there’s no urgency in starting you’re in the same delusional state as Greece.

    There is an urgency in supporting businesses of the future with good infrastructure … eg railways, trams, light rail, small buses and ring roads as opposed to highways and toll roads … and underground water storage and sharing as demonstrated in SE Qld right now … opening up the centre (lots of expertise in Israel) … and strongly supporting renewable energy capture and storage …

    Oh, and stop going to war with the USA and buying billions of dollars (to the USA) to drop bombs on people …

    But we’ll have to change the government to even consider any of the above …

    The Robber Barons are certainly running the joint … laugh at the Russian Mafia at your peril …

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:13 am

    Same goes for Spain

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/faq-why-is-spain-now-in-crisis-and-can-it-be-fixed/2012/05/30/gJQAYmAw1U_print.html

    Let me guess, Spain is in trouble because its government spent way too much and ran up big deficits, right?

    Not exactly. Before the financial crisis hit, Spain was actually running smaller deficits than even Germany. Its public debt was just 27 percent of GDP. Spain was considered a model of fiscal responsibility.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:14 am

    That’s interesting TB. I’ve previously posted the link showing comparative debt levels since the 1980s so you can find them if you like. I can’t be bothered getting them again.

    If you can’t see past some relatively minor cultural differences between Australia and Greece and look at economic facts, then you’re probably not really engaging your mind.

    If we’re comparing familiarity with Greece – I spent a good part of my 20s in Greece and went to a university there .

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:15 am

    So what has the Shops Union got to do with the Royal Commission ?

    See what I mean? Or did I miss something? Or did you miss your meds?

    “If you didn’t twist and turn so much and put your words and thoughts into other people’s comments you might have a bit more credibility … but then that might mean you have to accept facts – just occasionally …”

    TB Queensland permalink

    May 25, 2015 6:11 pm

    ABUSE occurs in every faith but it seems to be more marked in Catholic institutions, psychiatrist and University of NSW Associate Professor Carolyn Quadrio told the child sex abuse royal commission

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/celibacy-doesnt-drive-sex-abuse-expert/story-e6frfku9-1227368070488

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:19 am

    I spent a good part of my 20s in Greece and went to a university there .

    oh dear … and I’m not engaging my mind …

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/Greece/Economy

  141. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:20 am

    If you can’t see past some relatively minor cultural differences

    It was those relatively minor cultural differences that you might want to focus on yomm, and how that coped with being thrust into the EU

    #justsayin’

  142. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:21 am

    “……………then you’re probably not really engaging your mind.”

    He tries not to make a habit of it. And it kinda comes natural.

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:31 am

    Try some history – apparently learning from history (and the foibles of others) prevents repetition.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp

    Just put in the country and the year you wish to start from.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:41 am

    Ahhh … just figured out Wally’s convoluted thinking (again) …

    TB Queensland permalink

    May 24, 2015 6:15 pm

    From your link, KL …

    The Catholic-led union has been a stumbling block for same sex marriage legislation, and could be again when the issue returns to Parliament later this year.

    Fairfax Media has investigated the political, industrial and social clout wielded by the SDA, and its close relationship with employers, including payments to retailers of as much as $40 million over the past decade as “commission” for the employers deducting union fees from members’ pay packets.

    Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    How can it be catlik led FFS! Oh how silly of me … the smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

    $40 million! Of members money?

  145. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:49 am

    “How can it be catlik led FFS! Oh how silly of me … the smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!”

    “$40 million! Of members money?”

    “… just figured out Wally’s convoluted thinking (again) …”

    My “convoluted thinking.”………………………….?

    So what has Gay Marriage got to do with $40M of members $$$$$$$$$$$$$………………?

    Perhaps we need more Royal Commissions into Unions

    TomR would be on your side I’m sure

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:01 am

    So what has Gay Marriage got to do with $40M of members

    Read the link.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, that chart is really interesting to play with … especially when you look at the sharp spiking for a lot of different identifiers at around 2010 … private sector debt is an eye opener …

    Good web site tho’, hey …

    TomR would be on your side I’m sure … you may not have noticed it, Wally, but I don’t always agree with TR, nor he with me … not being a religious sheep … sometimes I even agree with you …

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:03 am

    Perhaps we need more Royal Commissions into Unions

    I’d bet 10:1 we’d find more in a RC on organised religion and rorts … based on the last RC on Unions …

  148. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:04 am

    Just put in the country and the year you wish to start from.

    I did. Let’s play charts 🙂

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt-to-gdp

    Perhaps we need more Royal Commissions into Unions

    Perhaps we do, rather than the witch hunt on offer now.

    The Royal Commission even went after the SDA, and all they found was ……………

    It took fairfax to reveal this, whilst the witch hunt was busy hunting ……..

  149. May 26, 2015 11:07 am

    “”A generation ago, or less, Greece had the level of debt that Australia now has.””

    Yes, but the main difference is that paying tax in Greece is a “”lifestyle choice”” that few subscribe to.

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:13 am

    Exactly, when taxes are too high, people find ways of avoiding them.

    Just like a SFR with over a million in super will have quite a lot less income than a pensioner. Tax super more and people will figure out how to hide the income and take the pension.

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:15 am

    As the chart shows, Canada has had relatively stable debt since the 1980s.

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:25 am

    Yea, from 66% GDP tp 90% ROFL yomm.

    reb hits the nail on its’ head for you yomm. Reflect on tho’se “relatively minor cultural differences” some more I would advise 😉

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:36 am

    …and our debt triples in 6 years and you’re not bothered??

    We’re increasing at the rate of around 50% a decade, and you don’t think we should get too bothered??!!

  154. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:47 am

    …and our debt triples in 6 years and you’re not bothered??

    What is our level yomm?

  155. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:47 am

    Or perhaps I should say

    What’s 2×0?

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:49 am

  157. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:52 am

    Idiocracy, here we come

    Australia is betting on plumbers and coffee-shop owners over scientists and researchers to drive the nation’s next wave of economic growth.

    The country that brought you refrigerators, black-box flight recorders, bionic ears and Wi-Fi will cut its research budget by 7 percent over the next 12 months, and another 10 percent in the following three years. At the same time it’s offering tax cuts and write-offs in its budget this month for small firms to buy equipment like espresso machines and lawnmowers as the centerpiece of a plan to build a “stronger and more prosperous Australia.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-25/australia-dumbs-down-as-government-bets-on-baristas-over-brains

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:03 pm

    What is our level yomm?

    Govt debt went from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 18% of GDP in 1996. And that is with asset sales like Qantas, Comm Bank, CSL. If keating was not thrown out in 1997 it would have tripled again and we would have hit the GFC with debt at 60% of GDP and would be at 100% by now.

    Our country should be thankful for what Howard/Costello did. Nobody but the Coalition can reduce debt.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:06 pm

    As I pointed out, we’re about where Greece was when I was there the first time, a generation ago. We’re at about 30% and heading north quite quickly.

    If you find the a comfortable economic state then you’re delusional.

    Of course I mean that in a positive way.

  160. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:09 pm

    We’re at about 30% and heading north quite quickly.

    And do we have the same “relatively minor cultural differences” yomm?

    If you find the a comfortable economic state then you’re delusional.

    Again, you need to point to where that has been stated. I was in support of Labor attempting to bring back a surplus, but that doesn’t mean I agree with the pantzwetterz over any debt at all. It’s called “the middle ground”. while you are looking into those “relatively minor cultural differences”, mayhap you should look into that too 😉

    Just a reminder, Government spending was falling under Labor. It is now rising again.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:20 pm

    Green power success stories take the wind out of Tony Abbott:
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/green-power-success-stories-take-the-wind-out-of-tony-abbott-20150526-gh9bd6

    …Germany, the world leader in installing renewable energy, had a moment last month. It was producing so much electricity from solar, wind and biomass that more than half of the country’s electricity was flowing from these renewable sources.

    There was so much, in fact, that the price of electricity actually fell to zero. And the price kept falling. It went negative. There were times on April 17 when wholesale electricity in Germany was selling for minus 14.91 euros for a megawatt hour. So it wasn’t free – it was cheaper than free…

    …The world is moving faster, to cheaper and cleaner renewable energy, than just about anyone had imagined. Especially the Abbott government…

  162. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:34 pm

    “Just a reminder, Government spending was falling under Labor.”

    And does that include the NBN ?

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 12:54 pm

    I don’t really give a crap whether the ALP or Liberals attack debt. The fact is that Swan squandered low debt, but Bowen is far more capable.

    In government I don’t think Bowen would continue stimulus spending when the economic indicators proved it was unnecessary.

    But the ALP isn’t showing a willingness to deal with debt.

    Hockey is also a dill.

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:10 pm

    nd does that include the NBN ?

    It includes what Treasury includes, same for both sides.

    The fact is that Swan squandered low debt

    The IMF disagrees 😉

    But the ALP isn’t showing a willingness to deal with debt.

    repetition repetition

    “Just a reminder, Government spending was falling under Labor. It is now rising again.”

  165. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:29 pm

    “Just a reminder, Government spending was falling under Labor. It is now rising again.”

    Well it has to. Your side introduced an unfunded NDIS

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:40 pm

    Your side introduced an unfunded NDIS

    Try not to make things up

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ndis-fully-funded-labor-tells-scott-morrison/story-fn59niix-1227165898999

  167. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:40 pm

    And this is just god awful scarey

  168. May 26, 2015 1:43 pm

    “And this is just god awful scarey””

    Talcum’s not a happy camper.

    Apparently The Telegraph caught wind of the announcement before cabinet was informed…

    Another “captain’s call?”

    #Collegiate #Consultative #Adultsincharge

  169. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:44 pm

    “Try not to make things up”

    Oh……………Jenny Macklin says it is so it must be

    ROFLMAO at YOU

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:46 pm

    “Just a reminder, Government spending was falling under Labor. It is now rising again.”

    No, it rose in an unsustainable way under the ALP, and Swan showed no inclination to get it under control until this became a political imperative.

    Swan was a crap Treasurer because he always put politics first, and had no idea what he was talking about**

    Swan landed us in the crap, and Hockey is quite unable to get us out of it. The

    ** (or if he did, he concealed it particularly well)

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:47 pm

    Tax super more and people will figure out how to hide the income and take the pension.

    And break the law … stop protecting Robber Barons …

    Yes, but the main difference is that paying tax in Greece is a “”lifestyle choice”” that few subscribe to.

    That was my take when I was there too, sreb …

    Gee … I’m seeing a lot of flip flop floundering from subject to timelines here … maybe Jockey’s appearance on Q&A hit some subconscious nerves …

  172. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:48 pm

    “The PM confirms the power to strip dual-nationals of citizenship will be applied at the Minister’s discretion in absence of a convicton”

    Completely necessary if we want to strand them overseas. At least 2 bikies have had their residency stripped from them whilst overseas. At the Ministers discretion.

  173. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:48 pm

    ROFLMAO at YOU

    Rofling all the way to the budget papers 😉

    she said, citing a 0.5 per increase in the Medicare levy and federal budget allocations out to 2020.

  174. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:49 pm

    “residence visas” that is

  175. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:51 pm

    “she said, citing a 0.5 per increase in the Medicare levy and federal budget allocations out to 2020. ”

    Budget allocations your side no longer will pass. Under a Budget drawn up by Mr Swan (the same man who gave us Surplus after Surplus)

    Like I said…………..ROTFLMAO at YOU !

  176. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:53 pm

  177. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:55 pm

    Budget allocations your side no longer will pass.

    Not Labors fault if the libs tie them to attacks on working families.

    It was budgeted, in a hung Parliament. hockey and yabot have fucked that up good and proper.

    If the libs can’t make their crap work, better to just go back to Swans original plan 😉

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:55 pm

    ““And this is just god awful scarey””

    Yes, it is probably anr example of the Libs taking an extreme position and giving the ALP the choice of-
    * following them, and deserting their traditional base, or
    * taking a more moderate position and being accused of being weak on terrorism

    I think there is probably an argument that citizenship could be revoked from people who chose to live here (and take out citizenship on a voluntarily), but the notion that it can be revoked on the basis of the parent’s country of birth (as in the UK) is a shocker.

  179. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:56 pm

    The End Game

  180. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 1:58 pm

    “Tony Burke told caucus Govt’s attack on an unelected staffer appeared co-ordinated according to this video from…”

    Did someone mention an attack on a staffer ?

    “Mr Swan spoke at the function on Wednesday evening after a comedian hired by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) made the remarks about Tony Abbott and his female chief of staff, Peta Credlin.”

  181. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:04 pm

    Did someone mention an attack on a staffer ?

    lol wally. Did they ever attack her directly in Parliament. Something about Apples and Oranges?

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:09 pm

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:12 pm

  184. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:19 pm

    The misogynistpm has abandoned hockeys brainfart, and wants Shorten to Govern for him ROFL

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:19 pm

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:21 pm

    But … but … but non-Australian citizens have served in the Australian Army …

    Oh, the hypocrisy of Liberal Governments through the decades …

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:22 pm

    Maybe The Mad Abbott just can’t say TAMPON! TR

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:24 pm

    Joh’s legacy

  189. May 26, 2015 2:24 pm

    “”Budget allocations your side no longer will pass””

    I knew it!!

    Walrus is Yoda! (AKA “Catching Up”)

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:46 pm

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 2:51 pm

  192. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 3:20 pm

    Is that the super savings that are supposed to be rising to 12% but has been locked in at 9.5% by this grubmint for the foreseeable future?

    THAT Super?

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:14 pm

    Tony Abbott believes we all should be able to rattle off the five lines of the oath and wants to talk to you about it if you can’t.

    The Prime Minister made that clear today as he confirmed plans to strip terrorists of their nationality.

    Mr Abbott wants a “national conversation” about the rights and duties of Australian citizenship as well as its privileges. He underlined the “profound commitment to this country” in the pledge to highlight the seriousness of withdrawing citizenship.

    “Every new citizen takes the citizenship pledge. Increasingly at citizenship ceremonies, all of us are invited to take the citizenship pledge,” the Prime Minister told reporters just before reciting it himself:

    From this time forward, under God,

    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,

    whose democratic beliefs I share,

    whose rights and liberties I respect, and

    whose laws I will uphold and obey.

    “These words must mean something. That’s the point. And this is the discussion we mean to have.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/pm-calls-for-discussion-on-being-australian-as-well-as-laws-to-strip-nationality-from-terrorists/story-fns0jze1-1227370071137

    Under fkn god …!

    Jesus wept!

    How to radicalise people in one easy lesson …

    … talk about self fulfilling prophesies …

    … and who to undertake this clever waste of taxpayers money … why, The Undertaker, himself, good ‘ole Phil Ruddock … given a sweetener after his grubby dismissal … a few dollars more … GMAFB …

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:21 pm

    As I thought …

    Prior to 4 April 2002, Australian citizens who became citizens of another country lost their Australian citizenship automatically.

    http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/dual_citizenship/

  195. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:33 pm

    “…..Under fkn god …!….”

    And there you go again. Never an opportunity missed

    It obviously really eats at you……certainly one big chip on your shoulder…………..ROFLMAO at Ya

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:42 pm

    G’day Wally, how was yer day?

  197. May 26, 2015 4:43 pm

    “…..Under fkn god …!….”

    Yes it is bullshit isn’t it?… Abbott’s not content to be a dog-botherer himself, he wants the rest of us to subscribe to the sky fairy nonsense too.

    Didn’t the Irish just tell the Catholic Church to just go and get fucked on a monumental scale just the other day?

  198. May 26, 2015 4:45 pm

    “”It obviously really eats at you……certainly one big chip on your shoulder………….””

    LOL…

    I think in some circles that’s called “projection

    Guffaw…

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:46 pm

    I think it should be – “under a god as approved by the prime minister this country”

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:49 pm

    Well, when the oppressor gets the finger from the oppressee they don’t get it … at least Wally has recognised a campaign … what he doesn’t get is that it is all about equality … if he wants to say “under god” I’m quite happy for him to say that … just don’t expect me to say it …

    In fact I’m not happy for him to say it in public loudly as Abbott wants … that assumes everyone believes in kiddy stories … I won’t say The Lord’s Prayer at Anzac Parades but recognise the tradition … I have been chastised in cinema’s for not standing for the royal anthem … I happily stand for the Australian Anthem …

    Why aren’t my beliefs as good as anyone else’s?

  201. May 26, 2015 4:50 pm

    “under a god as approved by the prime minister this country”

    Good point. I suspect Abbott’s state sanctioned dog doesn’t extend to the happy clappy Hillsong variety. Probably more akin to the exclusive brethren or the Tims (naturally).

  202. May 26, 2015 4:51 pm

    “” I have been chastised in cinema’s for not standing for the royal anthem …””

    Is that “a thing” in BrisVegas…..? 😯

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:53 pm

    Ahhh … memories of uni assignments …

    * Projection

    This involves individuals attributing their own thoughts, feeling and motives to another person. Thoughts most commonly projected onto another are ones that would cause guilt such as aggressive and sexual fantasies or thoughts. For instance, you might hate someone, but your superego tells you that such hatred is unacceptable. You can ‘solve’ the problem by believing that they hate you.

    From sreb’s, link above …

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:55 pm

    Is that “a thing” in BrisVegas…..?

    Used to be many years ago … but it was actually in England … I was a rebel as kid too … 🙂

    Best compliment I ever had was “You’re the oldest angry young man I’ve ever come across” …

    Luvved it!

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:57 pm

    Woeful healthcare standards have prompted the release of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians’ first position statement on asylum-seeker health

    Must be a lefty organisation. Like Triggs, the RACofP said nothing while Labor was locking everybody up but come out and make a statement when people have stopped being locked up.

  206. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 4:58 pm

    “…Yes it is bullshit isn’t it?…”

    Actually it seems like you are the ones shoveling the BULLSHIT……………..but what’s so new about that ?

    Pledge 1

    From this time forward, under God,
    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
    whose democratic beliefs I share,
    whose rights and liberties I respect, and
    whose laws I will uphold and obey.

    Pledge 2

    From this time forward
    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
    whose democratic beliefs I share,
    whose rights and liberties I respect, and
    whose laws I will uphold and obey.

    Most reasonably aware people already know about there being 2 pledges.

    Only the a bullshitter or the pig ignorant would not know that already.

    So pick ya position

  207. May 26, 2015 4:59 pm

  208. May 26, 2015 5:00 pm

    “”Most reasonably aware people already know about there being 2 pledges.””

    No one said there wasn’t.

    So WTF are you actually on about you poor deluded old git…??

  209. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:21 pm

    “No one said there wasn’t.”

    You clearly implied as much……………..

    “Abbott’s not content to be a dog-botherer himself, he wants the rest of us to subscribe to the sky fairy nonsense too.”

    Like I said there are 2 choices.

    You just conveniently ignore it because Religion in whatever form just eats at you too.

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:29 pm

    Lucky we’re already australian citizens by birth. I would certainly be a conscientious objector to the oath:

    From this time forward, under God</i.

    nope, can't agree to that

    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,

    They won’t get it just because we’re all australians, they will need to earn it.

    whose democratic beliefs I share,

    I don’t share the democratic beliefs of many of my countrymen and women already, I don’t think we have a democracy anyway, we have a corporocracy and oligarchy.

    whose rights and liberties I respect,

    What rights and liberties? they’ve been removed by the political class. This is why we urgently need a bill of rights, they are far too important to leave to the whims of politicians who want to change the country according to their particular ideology.

    whose laws I will uphold and obey.

    I can’t if i disagree with them, every citizen should refuse to obey unjust laws.

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:40 pm

    “Patriotism – the last refuge of a scoundrel”

    …Viereck: “Do you look upon yourself as a German or as a Jew?”

    Einstein: “It is quite possible, to be both. I look upon myself as a man. Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”…

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:42 pm

  213. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:43 pm

    These words must mean something.

    All the words?

    From this time forward, under God,

    Cos the Dog I learnded about in Sunday Skool wasn’t much like this one.

  214. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:45 pm

  215. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:50 pm

    oops AO, just saw y’o’u’r’s above 🙂

  216. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:52 pm

    And whether Parliament passes it or not probably wont even matter

    http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=56332

  217. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:55 pm

    “While there are several competing theories regarding constitutional interpretation, … according to the ‘orthodox rules’ of Australian constitutional interpretation, which were established and traditionally upheld by the High Court, the meaning to be given to a term is that which it had at the date of the Constitution, in 1901.”

    At the time the Constitution was drafted, he said, the definition of marriage was that enunciated by Lord Penzance in 1866: “The voluntary union for life between one man and one women, to the exclusion of all others.”

  218. May 26, 2015 6:03 pm

    “”You just conveniently ignore it “”

    You’re losing the plot. Where did I say there was only one citizenship pledge?

    As I said earlier, you seem to struggle with projection. You’re so desperate to have an argument, you create one in your mind and then get all uppity when no one plays along.

    You really ought to read what people say rather than what you think they say.

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:09 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/abbott-bundles-fight-against-is-extremists-with-battle-against-terrorists-at-home/story-fncynjr2-1227370178160

    NOPE! NOPE! NOPE!

    Stay out of religious faction wars … just ask catholics and protestants … or look at European history … history is actually repeating itself … and The Mad Abbott is playing Crusader King!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Most reasonably aware people already know about there being 2 pledges.

    Only the a bullshitter or the pig ignorant would not know that already.

    So pick ya position

    We were talking about FUCKING ABBOTT you moron! Read the links! FFS! Instead of playing attack GOD!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    et tu, sreb … 😉

  220. May 26, 2015 6:10 pm

    “”the definition of marriage was that enunciated by Lord Penzance in 1866:””

    Oh great, so it pre-dates the Ku Klux Klan, slavery, both World Wars, and giving women the right to vote, so obviously based on ideas worth preserving in today’s comparatively enlightened society…

    Honestly i thought Abbott was comical enough wanting to recreate Australia in his vision for the 1950’s and here you are wanting to drag us back to 1866!

    LOL… 🙂

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:12 pm

    At the time the Constitution was drafted, he said, the definition of marriage was that enunciated by Lord Penzance in 1866: “The voluntary union for life between one man and one women, to the exclusion of all others.”

    Why thank you, Wally, so it isn’t in the hands of the pollies … it is a constitutional referendum issue … now yer firing!

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:13 pm

    …“The voluntary union for life between one man and one women, to the exclusion of all others.”…

    well, why should only the heterosexuals get to debase marriage as defined by the constitution? no need to worry about gender anymore, it’s already been relegated to a nonsense by the number of divorces and remarriages in society today. Hey, we’ve even got a reality TV show about arranged marriages, complete strangers getting married for fame, fortune and voyeurism, never mind the TV ratings!

  223. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:13 pm

    “…………and here you are wanting to drag us back to 1866!”

    You really should act on your own advice……………..

    “You really ought to read what people say rather than what you think they say.”

    I was quoting the lawyer from my link……………..ROFLMAO at Ya

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:13 pm

    Just like old times … chuckle …

  225. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:17 pm

    “Where did I say there was only one citizenship pledge?”

    You should read posts more carefully ya know

    I didn’t say you said it. I said you implied it.

    What were you saying about …

    “You really ought to read what people say rather than what you think they say.”

  226. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:18 pm

    “Wally, so it isn’t in the hands of the pollies … it is a constitutional referendum issue … now yer firing!”

    YES !

    At least you get it !

  227. May 26, 2015 6:19 pm

    “”I said you implied it.””

    Where did I “”imply it”” then?

  228. May 26, 2015 6:21 pm

    “”it is a constitutional referendum issue “”

    Actually a referendum isn’t required.

    #Justsayin’

  229. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:21 pm

    I think it transcends the Parliament and gives both sides the chance to wash their hands of the issue and let the No and Yes cases be taken up by people who actually give a fuck about it.

    I couldn’t give a toss how it goes. To me it should be sorted out once and for all.

    Get rid of this needless distraction.

  230. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:22 pm

    “Actually a referendum isn’t required.”

    If it goes to the High Court it might well be.

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:23 pm

    Hear! Hear! KL … after 46 years I think I have a say … but I must confess The Minister and I were married in a Methodist church to shut the Mum’s up!

    Honeymoon after the reception (at the Pommies Club – my Mum was President) was a drive around the lagoon to our new home … a one bedroom flat … and back to work on Monday. Those were the days!

    Anecdote: My Mum-in-law was a wonderful lady* … thought the sun shone out of her two son-in-laws!

    But when we told her that we wanted had to get married she said … “you do know that The Minister isn’t baptized?” Chuckle … my old man said, “I hope you two are proud of yourselves?” … I refrained from saying … “Bloody oath!” …

    *Betty was killed in a car crash when she was 54 …

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:24 pm

    … taken up by people who actually give a fuck about it.

    I couldn’t give a toss how it goes.

    Chuckle …

  233. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:25 pm

    “Where did I “”imply it”” then?”

    You hang out with TomR too much………………………..and around and around we go.

    Scrollup. I think I was pretty clear where it was

  234. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:28 pm

    …At the time the Constitution was drafted, he said, the definition of marriage was that enunciated by Lord Penzance in 1866: “The voluntary union for life between one man and one women, to the exclusion of all others.”…

    Times change and society changes, ditch the constitution or have a binding referendum if they won’t allow us to progress. We all know that the politicians are hopelessly out of step on this.

    We should be telling them to allow and usher in the progress that the citizens want or get right out of the way of it.

  235. May 26, 2015 6:33 pm

    “”I think I was pretty clear where it was””

    No, I don’t think you were…

    And I don’t think I was. So unless you can actually point it out, the only conclusion to be reached is that “it all happened in your own mind..””

    (again.)

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:34 pm

    …“Wally, so it isn’t in the hands of the pollies … it is a constitutional referendum issue … now yer firing!”

    YES !
    At least you get it !

    Nope, it’s in the hands of the parliament. If howard could change the definition to include the words ‘man and woman’ when he had control of the senate, it obviously wasn’t in it before. And obviously parliament can change it, it’s not a constitutional issue, marriage is a federal rather than a states issue.

  237. May 26, 2015 6:34 pm

    “”I couldn’t give a toss how it goes.””

    Imagine if a tax deduction was involved…

  238. May 26, 2015 6:35 pm

    Exactly AO.

    It’s a simple change.

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:38 pm

    …And I don’t think I was. So unless you can actually point it out, the only conclusion to be reached is that “it all happened in your own mind..””
    (again.)…

    *muttley like snicker*

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:45 pm

    I assume the ACL and all the godbotherers around the country will be sent into a frenzy of MP letter writing, talkback radio imploring and much behind the scenes lobbying by big religion.

    Can hardly wait, will labor be able to withstand the pressure from joe de bruyn and their own religious nutjobs? Will they allow a party vote? Will the libs allow a conscience vote? The nation will be hanging by a thread!!

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:52 pm

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 6:54 pm

    oops, wrong order

    Super fund concessions for the rich are gaining on the age pension in budget stakes:
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/tax-reform-would-get-more-from-rich-targets-20150526-gh8ocx

    …Even within the department of human services the crackdown will be unbalanced. Minister Marise Payne says it will apply to the recipients of Newstart unemployment benefits and age and disability pensions, but not to the recipients of family tax benefits. That’s because family tax benefits are “supplementary payments”. They are middle-class rather than life-sustaining welfare.

    It’s a distinction that is running through everything the Abbott government does…

  243. May 26, 2015 7:02 pm

    May 25, 9:42~ gloryhole?

  244. May 26, 2015 7:08 pm

    *muttley like snicker*

    🙂

  245. May 26, 2015 7:13 pm

    “Hilarious coming from a stoopid bigoted c*nt like you who was on the evidence so far obviously brought up in the traditional English manner of hating catholics because well they are catholics.”

    Hilarious…well, I was brought up agnostic, unaligned & (most importantly) to be a critical thinker.

    And I recognise the smell of fish when it wafts past my nostrils, in regard to the Catholic Monolith (ie, not all Catholics…just the institution of paedophile protectors, ffs, splatter shows a lot more nouse on the ‘way forward’ from this horror than you).

    I attended a Catholic Boarding School, as an avowed atheist, and many of my long term friends are Catholic, Go figure…it’s not about the individual, it’s the fucking ‘Club’ which has been found (horrendously) wanting. Pell trades in diversionary, arse covering semantics.

  246. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 7:22 pm

    If howard could change the definition to include the words ‘man and woman’ when he had control of the senate, it obviously wasn’t in it before

    Very well put AO. Shoots the naysayers outta the water.

    I also notice that yabot claimed the Natsem report didn’t model this years budget in qt today. I must say, they seem pretty clear about what they were modelling. Not sure how he could have got that wrong? Will anyone call him on it?

    This paper provides the distributional household impact of the main ‘hip ‐ pocket’ Budget measures contained in the 2015 – 16 Federal Budget

    http://www.natsem.canberra.edu.au/publications/?publication=interim-analysis-of-the-2015-16-federal-budget

  247. May 26, 2015 7:27 pm

    “Einstein: “It is quite possible, to be both. I look upon myself as a man. Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”…”

    Sage!

  248. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 7:28 pm

    It is the measles of mankind.

    I’d always considered tabot more of a smallpox than measles meself.

  249. May 26, 2015 7:31 pm

    Readers of TGT are encouraged to follow John Johnsonson on Twitter.. He’s fun hilarious….!

  250. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2015 7:44 pm

  251. May 26, 2015 8:09 pm

    The new (for a couple of months, since AbbottCorp’s ‘near death’ experience) Orders…tell them what they want to hear, water down everything, ignore past statements & any sense of consistent legitimacy, rebuild political capital, we’ll fight the next election on fear squirting & avoid ‘fairness’ (apart from making it a cheap slogan)…then we’ll fuck them over again, nothing is off the shelf, it’s just hidden behind the prettier jars on the shelf.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 9:46 pm

  253. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 26, 2015 10:46 pm

    “splatter shows a lot more nouse on the ‘way forward’ from this horror than you”

    Where did I imply protection?

    I simply drew up a generalisation

    And y’all went for it

  254. Good for Walrus Budget permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:02 pm

    “”it is a constitutional referendum issue “”

    Actually a referendum isn’t required.

    Of course

    I’d always take the legal advice of a nurse over the linked constitutional expert everyday

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2015 11:34 pm

    …I’d always take the legal advice of a nurse over the linked constitutional expert everyday…

    You could do worse, you could keep arguing the same stupidity that you are doing now.

    Tell me why the Howard Govt. had the defnition of marriage changed walrus? and when?

    even wiki has it:

    The Australian Marriage Act 1961 is a law made by the Australian Parliament which regulates the rules for the recognition throughout Australia of marriages. The 1961 Act has been amended a number of times. The Act applies uniformly throughout Australia, and States and Territories are precluded from making any law inconsistent with the Act. Australian marriage law does not recognise any other forms of marriage, including traditional Aboriginal marriages,[1] same-sex marriages, nor polygamous marriages, but has since 2009 recognised de facto relationships.[2]…

    …Marriage Amendment Act 2004[edit]
    On 27 May 2004, approximately two months after the UK proposed its Civil Partnership Act 2004, the then federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock introduced the Marriage Amendment Bill 2004,[8] to incorporate the common law definition of marriage into the Marriage Act 1961 and the Family Law Act.[9] This bill was meant to clarify the meaning of the term ‘marriage’ in the Marriage Act because the Act had lacked a definition up till that time. In June 2004, the bill passed the House of Representatives. On 12 August 2004, the Senate passed the amendment by 38 votes to 6. The bill subsequently received royal assent, becoming the Marriage Amendment Act 2004.[10][11]

    Terms of the amendments

    The amendment specifies the following:

    Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.
    Certain unions are not marriages. A union solemnised in a foreign country between: (a) a man and another man; or (b) a woman and another woman; must not be recognised as a marriage in Australia.[12]…

    It’s not as if we weren’t paying attention during the howard regime walrus, it wasn’t that long ago and we were all participating in reb’s blog at that time as well. Abbott as howard’s disciple is is going the same route. If you look closely, all the hallmarks of howard’s govt [nastiness, mean & tricky, divisive and racist] are hiding in plain sight with the abbott govt.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:56 am

    The ‘tampon tax’ debate is a furphy. There are better ways to help women
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/26/the-tampon-tax-debate-is-a-furphy-there-are-better-ways-to-help-women?CMP=soc_568

    …The idea that menstrual GST is just straight-up sexist seems pretty clear, but it’s not really. The Stop taxing my period! petition makes the point that “[half] the population menstruates and shouldn’t be financially penalised for it”. This is true: women have periods and men don’t. The state is being asked to compensate for a consequence of sexual difference, in other words.

    As someone who believes the state should take measures to promote gender equity, I don’t find this a ridiculous argument. Rather, I think it doesn’t go far enough. If it’s wrong for the state to charge women for having menstruating bodies, it’s wrong for the state to allow an industry to profit from women for the same reason…

  257. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 8:56 am

    “You could do worse, you could keep arguing the same stupidity that you are doing now.”

    Well if the stupid advice of a nurse is to be taken over the Constitutional Lawyer I’ll take the lawyers advice over the nurse.

    I suppose you’ll be giving financial advice next

  258. May 27, 2015 9:00 am

    I just finished watching “Struggle Street” on SBS Catch Up.

    After all the pre-publicity, I was expecting a somewhat humorous “Housos”-type reality show. On the contrary, I’m quite shocked at how moved I was. I’m actually feeling quite devastated at the moment.

  259. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:17 am

    “I’m actually feeling quite devastated at the moment.”

    Yeah I know what you mean.

    Last weekend I learnt that a former colleague’s daughter (always a bit wayward) had died back in January when she made the switch from ecstacy to Ice.

    After quite a few years dabbling in cocaine and ecstasy her very first dose killed her at 34 years old.

  260. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:22 am

    “If it’s wrong for the state to charge women for having menstruating bodies, it’s wrong for the state to allow an industry to profit from women for the same reason…”

    What a monumentally stupid argument.

    What next………….free razors and shaving cream and face balm for Men ?

    Free hats for balding men ?

    Free this…………free that……………….A truly monumentally stupid argument

  261. May 27, 2015 9:24 am

    “”her very first dose killed her at 34 years old.””

    Jesus. That’s sobering news Walrus.

    And I’ve had people lecture me on other sites (twitter) that all the horror stories are just media hype.

  262. May 27, 2015 9:25 am

    “”I’m quite shocked at how moved I was. I’m actually feeling quite devastated at the moment.””

    Who are you and what have you done with the real ToSY?

    (or is this sarcasm?)

  263. May 27, 2015 9:30 am

    “Who are you and what have you done with the real ToSY?”

    I must also confess I’ve been up most of the night painting and drinking. (Which should in no way diminish my previous heartfelt comments.)

  264. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:30 am

    “And I’ve had people lecture me on other sites (twitter) that all the horror stories are just media hype.”

    Don’t believe their BS.

    As with many drugs including alcohol …………….different people different effects.

    First time user\victim.

  265. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:33 am

    “I must also confess I’ve been up most of the night painting and drinking. ”

    You really should sit down and take some advice from Molly Meldrum before doing that sort of thing. It could be dangerous mixing painting and alcohol whilst climbing ladders……………and at night…………….what were you thinking ?

  266. May 27, 2015 9:38 am

    Heh. No ladders were involved. and both pursuits are ongoing.

  267. May 27, 2015 9:41 am

    “”You really should sit down and take some advice from Molly Meldrum before doing that sort of thing””

    Chuckle..

    See you can be quite funny sometimes Walrus…

    When you’re not otherwise preoccupied being a cunt.

  268. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:45 am

    “When you’re not otherwise preoccupied being a cunt.”

    Well its about time you showed some respect.

    It’s Mister Cunt

  269. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:46 am

    It’s Mister Cunt (the Devil’s advocate)

  270. May 27, 2015 9:48 am

    Oh dear…

    Well it’s nice to see you still have a sense of humour. We’ll see how long it lasts…. 🙂

  271. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:55 am

    Fuck off !

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 10:11 am

    10:1 about half a day (Devil’s Advocate indeed!) LOL!

    Oh! I win! 🙂

  273. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 10:28 am

    “I don’t share the democratic beliefs of many of my countrymen and women already, I don’t think we have a democracy anyway, we have a corporocracy and oligarchy.”

    “What rights and liberties? they’ve been removed by the political class. This is why we urgently need a bill of rights, they are far too important to leave to the whims of politicians who want to change the country according to their particular ideology.”

    – Armchair Opinionator

    So why then are you so dead against a Referendum ?

    I recall you saying we should have a more direct method of people democracy and you advocating referendums to do it.

    Why not in this case ?

    This is a Social change which probably should go to a referndum and personally I’d probably vote for it in order to get the issue dead and buried once and for all. That’s how much I could not give a rats arse about it.

  274. May 27, 2015 10:29 am

    I think you mean a “rat’s arse.”

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 10:40 am

    Just in case you missed my new gravatar …

    GO QUEENSLAND! THE MIGHTY MAROONS!

  276. May 27, 2015 10:52 am

  277. May 27, 2015 11:22 am

  278. May 27, 2015 11:33 am

    Something from the archives. 2010, apparently.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:04 pm

    Chuckle …

    You paintin’ mick boy’s schools now, ToSY?

  280. armchair opionator permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:13 pm

    “…I recall you saying we should have a more direct method of people democracy and you advocating referendums to do it.

    Why not in this case ?…”

    Can you tell me where I’ve been “dead against” a referendum on this or anything walrus?

    You really don’t cope well with assertive women do you?

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:13 pm

    Nice work Tony – particularly if you were pissed and on a ladder.

  282. May 27, 2015 12:15 pm

    “You paintin’ mick boy’s schools now, ToSY?”

    Not quite, TB. It’s a place you’d probably find interesting. I know I did. I spent a whole day there. There are war-like artifacts going back to the Roman days. Utterly fascinating.

    http://www.musee-armee.fr/en/english-version.html

  283. May 27, 2015 12:21 pm

    I like the second one…

    You’ve really mastered your technique ToSY. It’s almost like a photograph!

  284. May 27, 2015 12:24 pm

    “It’s almost like a photograph!”

    😯

  285. May 27, 2015 12:34 pm

    “Nice work Tony – particularly if you were pissed and on a ladder.”

    Thanks ToM. It’s after the Bailey School.

  286. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:41 pm

    grog has a pretty wrap of the mendacity and lies of the libs in regards to their latest budget. I don’t know how they can so glibly get away with lying in Parliament?

    The Prime Minister and Treasurer may have demanded to see NATSEM’s modelling, but they have not shown any of their own modelling which would give us a reason to dispute NATSEM’s findings.

    Clearly, the Government is still touchy about the issue of fairness. Joe Hockey in Question Time on Monday tried to dismiss the attacks by the ALP by effectively misleading the House when he implied the author of the modelling was Bill Shorten’s press secretary, Ryan Liddell, rather than Ben Phillips of NATSEM.
    ………
    Tony Abbott in Question Time suggested the results were flawed because “the NATSEM modelling does not take into account the impact of people moving from welfare into work”.

    This is true. It doesn’t try to work out how many people will move from welfare to work because of budget measures, for the simple reason that doing so would involve some pretty bold and subjective predictions.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/jericho-unfair-budget-isnt-saved-by-hopeful-thinking/6498480

    As Greg highlights, unemployment is still looks like it will rise, so these jobs yabot talks of just are not there.

    He does skip over abotts biggest lie however, where he said ” Point number 2, the modelling does not actually model this year’s budget. It does not model this year’s budget.”

    Katherine Murphy tries to moisten over it for him by claiming “The modelling was presented as modelling the surviving measures of the 2014 budget as well as the 2015 budget.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/may/26/tony-abbott-plans-frontbench-role-to-combat-radicalisation-politics-live

    Which all well and good, but even in her defense of him, she exposes the lie, when she says “as well as the 2015 budget.” But it must also be remembered that much of the 2015 budget relies heavily on the 2014 budget and measures that have as yet (12 months later) not been passed, and yet this budget relies on them.

    Why won’t Labor attack these lies viciously?

  287. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 12:45 pm

    I’m particularly impressed with the third one tosy. Calligraphy is not an easy art.

  288. May 27, 2015 1:08 pm

    Yeah. I’m on my fourth bottle* of Oyster Bay Sav Blanc. So, whatever.

    *Wednesday is golf day.*

    *I haven’t played golf on a Wednesday for ages.

  289. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 1:41 pm

    “”Can you tell me where I’ve been “dead against” a referendum””

    So you prefer a referendum since you clearly dont trust our current democracy/parliament ?

    Afterall who knows how a vote on the Floor might go.

    Since yáll claim the polls say the public is for it then why not really test those polls out in a democratic referendum ?

  290. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 1:52 pm

    “”You really don’t cope well with assertive women do you?””

    Assertive doesn’t concern me.

    Intelligent ones present a challenge………………………..So far feeling pretty relaxed

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    Two articles that really tell you one thing …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/like-an-ocean-liner-without-lifeboats-hsbcs-dire-warning-for-global-economy/story-e6frflo9-1227371228341

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/media-heads-rule-ranks-of-best-paid-ceos/story-fn5tas5k-1227370710791

    Yeah, raise the retirement age … so many unfilled jobs …*sarc

    Lowering profit expectations is probably the most intelligent suggestion …

    The stupidity and greed of The Robber Barons is destroying the Western World … the Empire is Crumbling … and who suffers? The usual people …

    Economies fail when most of the money is sitting in the control of 5% of the population … it needs to circulate!

    GFC 2008 + 7 = 2015 … recession pattern seven and eleven years …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yeah. I’m on my fourth bottle* of Oyster Bay Sav Blanc. So, whatever

    Noice drop, ToSY … I notice your wearing rose coloured glasses, judging by your rendition, odd that you’re drinking a white tho’ … 😉

    I remember getting a phone call from my old man one afternoon – I had to visit him straight away – when I got there … he too had been painting all day and he was pissed (beer) … and he did some of his best work pissed … he’d done a portrait of JC on a crucifix rising through the clouds (top view looking onto JC’s head ie god’s viewpoint) … it was quite good … he’d named it The Rising of Christ …

    But the reason for the phone call was that he was scared shitless … he’d seen the fkn thing move!

    Warning Will ToSY …!

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 1:55 pm

    Assertive doesn’t concern me.

    Intelligent ones present a challenge………………………..So far feeling pretty relaxed

    Sigmund would have a ball with that …

    GO QUEENSLAND!

  293. armchair opionator permalink
    May 27, 2015 2:51 pm

    Obviously nothing to back up your claim of me being ‘dead against’ a referendum. That is because it doesn’t exist.
    Once more, a figment of your imagination. You do keep putting your words in others mouths a bad habit of yours.
    Keep on verballing!
    Must be a case of “if they don’t deny my fabrication, they must have done it”

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 2:54 pm

    “I notice your wearing rose coloured glasses”

    “you’re” … 🙄

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 2:56 pm

    D’ya think its a tory thing, KL?

    The Mad Abbott & Acolytes tell barefaced lies on telly and the reporters are so blithely ignorant they just let it pass … Tony Jones is probably the exception …

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:07 pm

    “Oyster Bay Sav Blanc”

    I’ve never tried it, shiraz seems to have better medicinal effects on me.

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:17 pm

    shiraz seems to have better medicinal effects on me

    Translation: I get pissed pretty quickly … 😉

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:17 pm

    Aw shite! Out of practice!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:31 pm

    Just arrived in my inbox …

    Dear TB,

    It’s time for our laws to reflect the values of modern Australia. It’s time for our laws to include everyone as equals. It’s time for marriage equality.

    Last night I gave notice that I will move a Private Member’s Bill on Monday which will finally bring about marriage equality in Australia.

    Whatever our religious views, I believe we have to change this law which discriminates against adult couples on the basis of who they love.

    If you stand with me for marriage equality, add your name here.

    Right now, Tony Abbott is holding Australia back by preventing his MPs from voting for marriage equality. All MPs should have a free vote on this matter.

    Marriage equality simply won’t happen unless Liberal MPs are given a free vote on the matter.

    We need to show Tony Abbott and the Liberals just how strong community support for this issue is. Can you add your name to show your support for marriage equality?

    Together we can make marriage equality a reality. Let’s make it happen.

    Thanks for standing with me on this,

    Bill

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:32 pm

    GO MAROONS

  301. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:45 pm

    “Together we can make marriage equality a reality. Let’s make it happen.””

    And that’s the same as what someone said on Radio this morning.

    Good to see all you Lefties on Alan Jones’side

  302. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 3:47 pm

    “”Economies fail when most of the money is sitting in the control of 5% of the population … it needs to circulate! “”

    Why dont you circulate some of your own rather than steal illegal downloads from the internet

  303. May 27, 2015 4:06 pm

    “and he did some of his best work pissed …”

    I get that. I’m definitely more adventurous and experimental at home, and even more so when loosened up by a couple of drinks.

    Whereas I tend to be more apprehensive and self-conscious in the few workshops I’ve done, There, one has to produce a result, in roughly four hours, which will be critically appraised in front of everybody else. That, naturally, has a constraining effect on what you paint. If an experiment at home doesn’t work out, it doesn’t matter, you can just paint over it. In a workshop, you’re judged on what you put up.

  304. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:15 pm

    GO MAROONS

    What is this “maroons” of which you speak?

    Is it Mick Malthouses new club?

    I’ve heard of them and “the blues” mentioned together

  305. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:16 pm

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:18 pm

    State of Orange 1 …. tonight, TR … the real one … 😉

    QUEENSLANDER!

  307. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:19 pm

    I get that. I’m definitely more adventurous and experimental at home, and even more so when loosened up by a couple of drinks.

    WAAAAAAAAY too much info there tosy 😯

    Oh, you were talking about painten’ Carry on …… up the …… 😉

  308. May 27, 2015 4:21 pm

    What are the “second round effects” these fuckwits economic experts refer to.

  309. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:25 pm

    What are the “second round effects”

    The door hitting us on the way out perhaps?

  310. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:26 pm

    Have we reached peak stupid yet? Or do people think there’is more to cum?

  311. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:30 pm

    Although to answer your question above without the glibness, Greggrog explains it best

    Tony Abbott in Question Time suggested the results were flawed because “the NATSEM modelling does not take into account the impact of people moving from welfare into work”.

    This is true. It doesn’t try to work out how many people will move from welfare to work because of budget measures, for the simple reason that doing so would involve some pretty bold and subjective predictions.

    As Phillips noted last year when explaining why NATSEM did not include such “second-round” effects in its modelling, not only is it standard practice not to do so, but “the calculation of such impacts in any case would be subject to considerable debate and imprecision”.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/jericho-unfair-budget-isnt-saved-by-hopeful-thinking/6498480

    It’s pretty rich for the assholes to dispute the modelling when they don’t even have any provided in the actual budget. it means though, that Labor could have plugged in whatever they liked, and the libs don’t have a leg to stand on.

    Of course, our media don’t see it that way. muppets.

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:33 pm

    Why dont you circulate some of your own rather than steal illegal downloads from the internet

    Ahhh … but I do … just bought Game of Thrones BD … $40 …

    We’ve been through this silly argument before (make things into a supply monopoly like Foxtel has and expect consequences) … you probably support the TPP … and that will only increase piracy … got your VPN and password protector yet?

    The new Plex is good too … just loaded it … and all our films and music …

    I just bought a new modem from Telstra … normally $216 got it for $160 (just reminded them that we had been customers for 46 years) … then it wouldn’t work … techies said they would have to put me on the faster cable speed … Cable 2.0 … no charge … no on going fees … and we are ready for NBN …

    And we just came back from Vanuatu … supporting two economies … but then we’ve both been paying taxes since we were 14 … when did you start*?

    Helping people to avoid minimise paying tax …?

  313. May 27, 2015 4:40 pm

    I note Grog argues for Labor policies, always*. Which is why you quote him so often.

    *Feel free to quote just one occasion when he has argued against Labor, which would disprove my assertion.

  314. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 4:57 pm

    *Feel free to quote just one occasion when he has argued against Labor, which would disprove my assertion.

    Challenge Accepted!

    Labor in a budget quagmire of its own making
    …………..
    If only the Federal Government had kept its plan for a slow and steady return to surplus, our budget position wouldn’t seem so doom and gloom, writes Greg Jericho.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/jericho-budget/4660850

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:01 pm

    It would be great if we could put Grog as Treasurer and see how his ideas work. Actually it would not be so great. ALP supporters are masters of the unforeseen stuffup.

    I find it interesting that Superannuation is in the news. This was one of the great achievements of the Hawke/Keating govt. But it does not appear to be working like it is supposed to. People are still going on the pension and it is unfair to poor people and good for rich people or so ALP supporters say.

  316. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:11 pm

    Which is why you quote him so often.

    Mind you, after having a free kick at the source, what part of the argument about NATSEM that grog raises do you disagree with?

    The fact that the libs don’t have any modelling of their own, so look pretty stupid complaining about Labors?

    The fact that NO modelling (of this type) from Treasury or NATSEM ever contain “second round effects”

    Or that hockey effectively lied to #QT (as did yabot, which grog didn’t address)

  317. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:14 pm

    But it does not appear to be working like it is supposed to.

    Yea, thanks howie.

    and it is unfair to poor people and good for rich people or so ALP supporters economists say.

  318. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:14 pm

    Interesting that Shorten thinks we need to show the Liberals. Does he expect the entire caucus to fall into line on this?

  319. May 27, 2015 5:14 pm

    “If only the Federal Government had kept its plan for a slow and steady return to surplus, our budget position wouldn’t seem so doom and gloom, writes Greg Jericho.”

    Guffaw. J

    ericho is arguing that Labor’s projected “return to surplus” was too rapid: “It’s at this point that we should remember that all this talk has been only about projections and goals. The Government for mostly political reasons decided to shift from a budget deficit of 4.2 per cent of GDP to a surplus in the space of three years. To give this context, it took the Keating and Howard governments in the mid-late 1990s five years to shift the budget from a deficit of 4.1 per cent of GDP to surplus”

    As we all know, Swan’s hundreds of boasts about surplus budgets were pure bullshit. Economic “expert” Grog accepted Labor’s claims of surplus budgets unquestioningly. He just wanted them to occur less rapidly.

    Bzzzzt. Try again.

  320. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:16 pm

    “I’ve heard of them and “the blues” mentioned together”

    That would be in the much quoted phrase

    “The Maroons will be feeling the deep Blues later tonight””

  321. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:21 pm

    Yea, thanks howie

    Yeah like most ALP policies one day its gunna work.

    Nothing this piece of filth of a political party works. If they get in the next election the ALP will destroy this country.

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2015 5:22 pm

    My comment – Interesting that Shorten thinks we need to show the Liberals. Does he expect the entire caucus to fall into line on this? – is referencing TB’s email from Bill –

    “We need to show Tony Abbott and the Liberals just how strong community support for this issue is. Can you add your name to show your support for marriage equality?

  323. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 7:31 pm

    Bzzzzt. Try again.

    You’ll have to explain to me why

    Feel free to quote just one occasion when he has argued against Labor,

    Even you claim

    J ericho is arguing that Labor’s projected “return to surplus” was too rapid:

    Which would be grog arguing against Labor

    Sorry if it doesn’t meet your lofty heights of “arguing”, but tough shit tosy

    Challenge accepted, and met 🙂

  324. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 7:33 pm

  325. May 27, 2015 7:41 pm

    Chris Bowen? Why don’t you just re-tweet the Labor Party feed?

    Oh wait. You do.

    #laborbarrackersrus

  326. May 27, 2015 7:47 pm

    Why don’t you just defend the Catholic Church?

    Oh wait. You do.

    #Pedodefendersrus

  327. May 27, 2015 7:48 pm

    “#Pedodefendersrus”

    That’s pretty piss weak, even for you.

  328. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2015 7:58 pm

    TomR

    And Labor did not care about a tax on Tampons until Abbott was elected.

    Labor did not care about deaths in detention centers until Abbott was elected.

    Labor did not care about kids in detention until Abbott was elected.

    The GST on Tampons has an amazing story. it was an issue when Howard was in govt. the issue died when Rudd was in govt. But became a story again when Abbott was elected.

    Truly the ALP and its supporters are totally corrupt.

  329. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 7:59 pm

    #laborbarrackersrus

    Like I said, you don’t like it, dispute it.

    Or just keep flaccidly flailing at those you hatze

  330. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 8:01 pm

    And Labor did not care about a tax on Tampons until Abbott was elected.

    Labor have always been ideologically opposed to the GST, it is regressive. So I’ll have to call bullshit

    Labor did not care about deaths in detention centers until Abbott was elected.

    Except they had an open system that allowed people with concerns in and reports into the conditions there. So I’ll have to call bullshit

    Labor did not care about kids in detention until Abbott was elected.

    Sea above. So I’ll have to call bullshit

  331. May 27, 2015 8:06 pm

    “”That’s pretty piss weak, even for you.””

    Is that a fact.

    The way I see it you have one of two choices, you can continue to defend Pell and the Catholic Church over their concealing of child sex abuse and protection of the priests who were perpetrating that abuse (not to mention attempting to malign and silence the victims of abuse with threats of retribution) or you can speak out and call the Catholic Church for what it is – a protection racket for paedophiles..

    Your track record suggests you side with the former approach.

    If you want an example of “piss weak” take a look at yourself.

  332. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2015 8:13 pm

    Except they had an open system that allowed people with concerns in and reports into the conditions there. So I’ll have to call bullshit

    Don’t recall people caring when this was going on.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

    12 deaths under Labor and nobody cared until Abbott was elected

  333. May 27, 2015 8:16 pm

    “Your track record suggests you side with the former approach.”

    Well you shouldn’t have any trouble providing examples, then, should you?

  334. May 27, 2015 8:17 pm

    Well you shouldn’t have any trouble proving me wrong then should you?

  335. May 27, 2015 8:19 pm

    Like I said, piss fucking weak.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2015 8:43 pm

    Hmmm….

  337. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2015 8:51 pm

    Don’t recall people caring when this was going on.

    See my answers above. So I’ll have to call bullshit ….. again

  338. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2015 9:11 pm

    See my answers above. So I’ll have to call bullshit ….. again

    According to gillian triggs 12 people died in detention under ALP/Greens rule as well as 4,000 serious incidents. I do not recall much being said until Abbott was in power and one person died on Manus Island.

    I call bullshit on everything you say.

  339. May 27, 2015 10:03 pm

    tr”””””quite a few stories getting out about the `hopelessness` of Shorten””””’

    #Those stories would seem `correct` to me team-cheerer, along with teh-polls, a couple of points off 50/50. FFS, having such a bunch of ruthless imbeciles like the zombies, with an even `quarter` effective opposition they should be 90% preferred leader, not `about` equal. Caucus really arse-fcuked their chances backing blib.

    #Notice too, both `teams` are clinging to `gay-marriage` this week. Both teams are desperate, trying to be liked/relevant by trying to steal indi/green-policies.

  340. May 27, 2015 10:24 pm

    dunny””””’my employer is currently trying to reduce my/our annualised wage””””

    #sorry to hear that dunny, hope things swing your way, the stupid fcuking cubicle dwellers still don`t comprehend the direct relevance that impoverishing the workforce is impoverishing consumer spending-power that also drive the economy.

    #l noticed the `hobart` canoe was completed this week, the teabags don`t want to build more canoes, so l suppose they will be sacked/retrenched too. Next thing, the teabags will bleat incessantly about high level of un/under-employment and stagnating economy in the canoe-state. #stupid.fcuks

  341. May 27, 2015 10:36 pm

    via armchair”””””””’Alan Swetman says the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees` Association is lecturing young employees to stand against gay rights, euthanasia and abortion”””””””

    #where`s my fcuking cubicle dweller on this one.

    #`gay rights, euthanasia and abortion`, none of which, is any of the fcuking onions or employers business. And all the catlicks explain why pedo-priests have got away for so long, and blib`s-lot are a bunch of teabags too.

  342. May 27, 2015 11:47 pm

    Sorry Tinfoil`osy, your track record IS a piss-weak, catlick, pedo-defender.

  343. May 28, 2015 7:19 am

    “”Tinfoil`osy, your track record IS a piss-weak, catlick, pedo-defender.””

    Yep.

  344. May 28, 2015 8:00 am

    “Yep.”

    And yet any evidence for such a serious accusation is non-existent.

    I’m happy to be accused of calling out anti-Catholic bigotry when I see it. But you’re drawing a very long bow to say that equates to being a “pedo-defender”.

  345. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 8:06 am

    According to gillian triggs

    ROFL. All of a sudden, you want to listen to her. Well, you should! And I AGREE! it was terrible, But, it was also known and exposed (most often on the front page of the news) So to claim people didn’t care is not supported by the facts. The fact that we now have no fucken idea what is happening shows that this most probably hasn’t changed (and most probably is worst), and the secrecy leads us to believe that this is how they want it to stay. It is a deliberate strategy by this grubmint to allow people to be harmed, and for us not to know about it.

    #Those stories would seem `correct` to me team-cheerer

    Of course they would, but, then, reality has a real issue breaking through into your consciousness, sub or otherwise.

    along with teh-polls

    lol, perhaps you should count polls, not colouredcardboardboxes

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/bludgertrack-quarterly-breakdown-march-2015/

    they should be 90% preferred leader, not `about` equal.

    In a media environment like this, it’s amazing they are in front at all, so I see it as a testament to Shortens and Labor’s abilities.

    both `teams` are clinging to `gay-marriage` this week.

    Or, you could say, Labor are dragging a recalcitrant grubmint back to the topic, but then, that wouldn’t fit with you world view, would it.

    Sorry Tinfoil`osy, your track record IS a piss-weak, catlick, pedo-defender.

    It’s no worst than some commentators defense of absolutely nothing and attack on absolutely everything backed up by a complete absence of absolutely anything.

    In many ways it’s far better, because tosy at least has a history of playing the topic. I’m just assuming he’s enjoying creating art for the moment rather than investing time in discussion, and good on him for it. I think he has a real talent, and am glad he not only has the guts to do it, but has the guts to show us all. So, even if he doesn’t always play how I would like now, his history is such that I’m quite happy to gloss over what I consider indiscretions (he may not see it as “glossing”), and will look forward to his next post regardless of if it’s more of his (or others) art, or his views on anything else (no matter how wrong they are (or I see them as 😉 ) )

  346. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 8:11 am

    But you’re drawing a very long bow to say that equates to being a “pedo-defender”.

    Unfortunately, the Royal Commission is drawing a very close line between the two at the moment Tony.

    It is, like the “Islamic terrorist”, a case of a small proportion tarring the remainder with the same brush, and, like the Islamic community, those being tarred really need to draw a line of distinction in the sand

    imo

  347. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 8:12 am

    oops, I has a longish post “awaiting moderation”

    note to self, don’t call kamahl a fuckwit 😉

  348. May 28, 2015 8:30 am
  349. May 28, 2015 8:36 am

    To be fair, I don’t believe that ToSY has ever defended the actions of paedophiles but he has a long history of being an apologist for the Catholic Church (alongside Snacty).

    As Tom R mentions, the Catholic Church has now become synonymous with prolific child sex abuse, vilifying victims and families who speak out, and protecting those who perpetrate the abuse.

    The entire organisation is a disgrace, and yet they still maintain they have some sort of high moral ground and feel entitled to tell others how to live their lives.

    The fact that 73% of Ireland’s population gave them the big finger the other day indicates how completely irrelevant they have become.

  350. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 8:36 am

    But, it was also known and exposed (most often on the front page of the news)

    I doubt many people knew that 12 people died under Labors watch in the detention centers plus 4,000 serious incidents. But everybody knew about that one guy who died on Manus Island after the Coalition won govt

  351. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:01 am

    I doubt many people knew

    I doubt you knew much at all

    But everybody knew about that one guy who died on Manus Island

    I think you mean “was killed by a guard under the employ of the Australian Government”

    And nah, I didn’t call kamahl a fuckwit, but it got him to take notice 🙂

    The entire organisation is a disgrace,

    It’s starting to look that way. I must say, I am torn, as I have also seen at street level the good that they (and other religious organisations) do. It is those foot soldiers that get tarred with this brush, even though the majority have done nothing but good (or what they thought was good)

    And the Catholic church is not the only organisation in the poo at the moment

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:09 am

    I think you mean “was killed by a guard under the employ of the Australian Government”

    And how did they 12 people die under Labors watch? I think 6 were suicides but what about the other 6?

    Nobody cared what went on in the detention centers until Abbott won govt.

  353. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:15 am

    And how did they 12 people die under Labors watch?

    You linked to the previously unreliable report yourself nIl that suddenly has become your favoured tome. As it should.

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:22 am

    My problem with Triggs is that she did not do much was done until Abbott was elected.

    Nobody cared about what went on in the detention centers until Abbott won govt. I was surprised to see mentioned 4,000 serious incidents under Rudd/Gillard.

    Who knew or cared?

  355. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:26 am

    My problem with Triggs is

    You listen to right wing nutjobs who bullshit

  356. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:32 am

    lol, tabot and eleventy having a punch up over the NATSEM report that highlighted how nasty this budget really is

    The prime minister, Tony Abbott, has accused the Labor party of “using and abusing” a leading modelling firm by commissioning an analysis of the government’s budget without including so-called “second-round effects” of its policies, but the treasurer, Joe Hockey, has conceded such flow-on impacts were usually “not taken into account” by modellers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/27/abbott-and-hockey-at-odds-over-labors-economic-modelling-of-budget-impacts

    Just a reminder 😉

  357. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:55 am

    Our DEATH CULT PM has been caught out bullshitting. Again!

    No foreign fighters had welfare payments cancelled under counter-terrorist laws passed last year because none were found to be claiming welfare, according to answers provided to a Senate committee.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/27/story-of-australian-jihadis-overseas-and-on-the-dole-turns-out-to-be-a-furphy

    Not sure how happy that’ll make yomm

  358. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:56 am

    “I must say, I am torn, as I have also seen at street level the good that they (and other religious organisations) do. It is those foot soldiers that get tarred with this brush, even though the majority have done nothing but good (or what they thought was good)”

    Exactly

    That’s been my main point on the other Tread. But some who shall remain nameless take my example of generalisation as a defence of Chrisianity. It’s simply an observation of the obsession in relation to the Christian religions and all who participate in said religions.

    And many of you wonder why after you attack their religion they are not very tolerant towards gay marriage ?

    I can understand why they’d be pissed off.

    Anyway as I said I do hope we get this whole marriage thing off the fucking agenda

  359. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 9:58 am

    Wow……………….Wow…………………….Wow

    Apparently FIFA is corrupt.

    Gee I’m so glad that Sepp Blatter has stated he is going to stay and guide the organisation through this time of need

  360. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:14 am

    And many of you wonder why after you attack their religion they are not very tolerant towards gay marriage ?

    You could always “turn the other cheek” 😉

  361. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:21 am

  362. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:22 am

    🙂

  363. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:22 am

    Fingers crossed

  364. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:27 am

    lolz, fucken idiot greens

    “I think people are sick of the sort of the nonsense that goes on in this place and, you know, if they want someone who is not going to play the game in that way, well great! And, if that doesn’t work out well, I’ll go back to growing some veggies at home.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/i-want-to-get-things-done-vows-new-greens-leader-richard-di-natale-20150506-ggvkad.html

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:41 am

    Always wise not to trust the Labor loving media especially Pater Hartcher. Remember the kerfuffle about Abbott calling from 30,000 feet to make sure there were no gays waiting for him?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/story_collapses_will_hatcher_now_say_sorry_for_his_slur/

    Pip Spence, first assistant secretary at PM&C, [told a Senate committee] she had been briefed by a male officer from ceremonial and hospitality branch of the department – known in bureaucratic parlance as a “CERHOS officer” – who had travelled ahead to organise the “low key” arrival of Mr Abbott’s travelling party into a Paris private airport.

    “As I understand it, based on conversations, the CERHOS officer advised the ambassador that because the Prime Minister was not travelling with Mrs Abbott it would just be the ambassador who would be in the greeting party,” she said.

    Maybe there should be some penalty if a journalist gets it wrong. What i found amusing was that anyone with a brain would even believe the story. But TomR believed it. He contributed a post about that story.

  366. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:58 am

    And no, there is no protocol preventing him being there.

    dolt forgot that one. You know, the defense all the libs and the’ir barrackers ran with 😉

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:08 am

    “I’ve heard of them and “the blues” mentioned together”

    That would be in the much quoted phrase

    “The Maroons will be feeling the deep Blues later tonight””

    FMD! Wrong again, WallY! … Blues defeated at home (even with help from refs) 11 – 10 … ! LOL!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  368. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:11 am

    even with help from refs

    You sure the “moroons” aren’t port adelaide? Sounds just like them after a game 😉

    So, I take it you had a big night TB 🙂

  369. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:13 am

    2 words for you today TB

    FUCK OFF

  370. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:14 am

    “So, I take it you had a big night TB”

    Any night is a big night for TB

    He’s at the age where you have dinner at 4:30pm

  371. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:19 am

    And no, there is no protocol preventing him being there.

    And what has Abbott got to so with this? You are the one who proclaimed that Abbott from 30,000 feet was barking orders on his mobile that no gays were to meet him when he arrived.

    Only a fool would believe that story. But Tom R believed it.

  372. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:22 am

    He’s at the age where you have dinner at 4:30pm

    I better get me affairs in order, cos ours aint much later than that lol

  373. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:23 am

    And what has Abbott got to so with this?

    He was one of the ones using it as a diversion from poor behaviour within his own office

  374. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:35 am

    TomR

    You are trying to defend the indefensible.

    No Australian PM is barking orders from 30,000 feet to make sure no gays are waiting to meet them.

    You are a fool and a liar.

  375. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:41 am

    But the PM told us that there was a protocol

    It appears he lied again.

    Same as about being the “infrastructure” PM

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:43 am

    You could always “turn the other cheek”

    … or spread ’em?

    But THAT is the crux of the matter … they don’t, not even the “foot soldiers”, follow their own “teachings” … particularly the 10 commandments – the simplest of rules to follow …

    It’s not just the defence of paedophiles and the stance of gay and lesbians in general and marriage in particular …

    … it is the largest case of groupthink (organised religion) in the world …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    To be fair, I don’t believe that ToSY has ever defended the actions of paedophiles

    Hear! Hear!

    So, even if he doesn’t always play how I would like now, his history is such that I’m quite happy to gloss over what I consider indiscretions (he may not see it as “glossing”), and will look forward to his next post regardless of if it’s more of his (or others) art, or his views on anything else (no matter how wrong they are (or I see them as 😉 ) )

    Absofknlutely!

    ToSY …

    “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And some people wonder why …

    And many of you wonder why after you attack their religion they are not very tolerant towards gay marriage ?

    I can understand why they’d be pissed off.

    Anyway as I said I do hope we get this whole marriage thing off the fucking agenda

    So its a trade off? I think?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On Tuesday a bloke I used to work with many years ago, suddenly asked me to be executor of he and his wife’s wills … because his wife’s sister suddenly flared up about the home his mother-in-law lived in and his wife is very upset … the sister and her husband are multi millionaires … my friend’s wife paid the house off for her mother – who passed away … and now owns it – according to the sister it was the family home – my friend’s wife is dying of cancer …

    I brought up the subject of religion (as executor I need to know) … guess what the multi millionaires are? So where’s the compassion?

    Maybe I’m just “lucky” or sumfin’ …

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:47 am

    He’s at the age where you have dinner at 4:30pm

    Not quite true but I can still feed myself … must be difficult with flippers … 😉

    I had expected a … ” congratulations on winning, TB”

    I’m just a poor old dreamer … 😆

  378. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 11:50 am

    But the PM told us that there was a protocol

    Did he?? No Australian PM is barking orders from 30,000 feet that no gays are to meet them when they arrive. They are too busy. They have one million things to do before they arrive and one million things to do after they arrive.

    TomR you are a fool and a liar. And you are an evil man who has destroyed the lives of thousands of people

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2015 12:10 pm

    Kneel’s a Dalek!

  380. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 12:33 pm

    Kneel’s a Dalek!

    But I kinda like Daleks 😦

  381. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 12:59 pm

    libs shooting the messenger again

  382. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 1:40 pm

    “Labor are dragging a recalcitrant grubmint back to the topic, but then, that wouldn’t fit with you world view,…….”

    And thank goodness for the Opposition.

    After watching Struggle Street and the endless references to Gay Marriage it contained its great to see the once great ALP finally dismiss poverty as a concern and get back on topic with Gay Marriage

  383. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 2:04 pm

    ALP finally dismiss poverty as a concern

    Do you have evidence of that claim wally? Although, just yesterday, yabot was telling us he wasn’t gonna bother with ssm and wanted to concentrate on small business.

    Hows that working for him?

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2015 3:18 pm

    Off to see San Andreas … watch for the review! 🙂

    Just spending to keep the economy afloat … must ask the cinema if they’ve bought that new $20,000 popcorn machine yet?

    Aw bugger BC&C … its not a small business is it!

    QUEENSLANDER!

    State of Orange* – Queensland 1 … Mexican Cockroaches 0

  385. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 4:21 pm

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”: Voltaire

    Errrrrrrrrrr………….actually Nope………………Nope……………………Nope

    What Voltaire actually said was “Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too”

    There is no record in his writings for the very first quote

    http://listverse.com/2008/05/15/top-10-famous-historic-misquotes/

    In “The Friends of Voltaire” Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase:

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

    which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire’s beliefs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2015 4:30 pm

    ”libs shooting the messenger again”

    I’m not so sure about that.

    If Q&A routinely had panels of –
    • Joe Hockey
    • Someone from the IPA
    • Andrew Bolt
    • Senator David Leyonhjelm
    • A visiting US Republican politician
    • Michael Costa (for ALP “balance”)

    It would probably be criticized for being unbalanced towards the right. Currently the show is usually composed of the polar opposite of this.

    I’m a little tired of my taxes propping up the ABC agenda

  387. May 28, 2015 4:46 pm

    Richard Schmid

  388. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 5:17 pm

    “Aw bugger BC&C … its not a small business is it!…”

    It will be if you and your thieving friends keep downloading illegals

  389. May 28, 2015 5:26 pm

    “”if you and your thieving friends keep downloading illegals””

    We can download asylum seekers these days?

    How long has this been going on….?

  390. May 28, 2015 6:21 pm

    Golf…

    The most ego-bruising past time ever

    * definitely qualified to comment on that.

  391. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 28, 2015 6:21 pm

  392. May 28, 2015 6:32 pm

    “Tony Abbott believes we all should be able to rattle off the five lines of the oath and wants to talk to you about it if you can’t”

    I dare the jingowanking fuckhead to attempt that conversation with me.

  393. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 28, 2015 6:38 pm

    Gina Rinehart loses control of $5b family trust
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/gina-rinehart-loses-control-of-5b-family-trust-20150528-ghbdx4.html

    …Further, Mrs Rinehart repeatedly sought to have the case stayed, referred to arbitration, kept out of the public domain, going as far as the High Court. She also tried to convince her children to withdraw the action, through her lawyers and other “influential connections” such as federal MP Barnaby Joyce who wrote to Ms Welker imploring her stop the case. Some of her tactics approached “intimidation” he said.

    “I have never seen such pressure exerted, so persistantly, on a litigant, as has been apparent in this case,” he said…

  394. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 28, 2015 6:43 pm

    I dare the jingowanking fuckhead to attempt that conversation with me.

    me too.

    It won’t be long before the school kids are singing ‘god save the queen’ again. Our back to the 50’s moment with abbott will be complete.

  395. May 28, 2015 6:49 pm

    “It will be if you and your thieving friends keep downloading illegals”

    That is like the buzzing of flies to ‘piracy’.

  396. May 28, 2015 6:54 pm

    “It won’t be long before the school kids are singing ‘god save the queen’ again. Our back to the 50’s moment with abbott will be complete.”

    It’s only them & theirs who adhere to such ridiculous proprieties still. They are a dwindling minority, an extinctive demographic; as it should be. As demonstrated by AbbottCorp’s spectacular trajectory in the polls when Cpt Colonialist-arselicker made his wise self pick to knight the queen’s husband.
    There should be more of it .

  397. May 28, 2015 6:58 pm

    “Gina Rinehart loses control of $5b family trust”

    Guffaw!

    ““I have never seen such pressure exerted, so persistantly, on a litigant, as has been apparent in this case,” he said…”

    Of course she’d never apply such leverage on parliamentary figures, or seek to have one of her ideological mouthpieces given a Sunday soapbox on a major free to air TV network. Absolutely not!

  398. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:01 pm

    It won’t be long before the school kids are singing ‘god save the queen’ again. Our back to the 50’s moment with abbott will be complete.

    Actually those days were not so bad. parents let their kids walk to school. Nobody locked their doors because there was no need to.. The PM had his telephone number in the phone book and did not have a bodyguard. And anybody who wanted a job could get one.

  399. May 28, 2015 7:02 pm

    “I’m a little tired of my taxes propping up the ABC agenda”

    I’m pleased with mine giving some small semblance of balance to RupertCorp.

    If they didn’t think enough of a majority of the population felt likewise, and could subsequently get away with it, AbbottCorp would take to the ABC with a bludgeon. They would feel the political fallout keenly, They are shitscared to try it on. It matters not how much the Boltophiles & other niches see the ABC as PRAVDA; it isn’t.

  400. May 28, 2015 7:05 pm

    “Actually those days were not so bad. parents let their kids walk to school. Nobody locked their doors because there was no need to.. The PM had his telephone number in the phone book and did not have a bodyguard. And anybody who wanted a job could get one.”

    Ever the halfwit, with his head yearning for the Howard years (and, on sight of that last comment, even further back into blissfully ignorant, irretrievable history.

  401. May 28, 2015 7:07 pm

    Because singing god Save The queen, or pledging to anything Under god…is so relevant.

    The conservative mind, so easily lead up the fucking garden path.

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:11 pm

    What is wrong with a society that does not need to lock their doors. Anybody can walk up to the PM because he does not have a bodyguard and his telephone number is in the phone book and kids have no worries about walking to school?

    Sounds like a great society to me.

  403. May 28, 2015 7:12 pm

    “The conservative mind, so easily lead up the fucking garden path.”

    I think you mean led. 😯

  404. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:29 pm

    I’m a little tired of my taxes propping up the ABC agenda

    lol, you ARE <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/is_the_abc_really_biased_tony_jones_asks_his_four_panellists_of_the_left/ andew dolt

    Ray Martin’s a lefty lol.

    I think you mean led.

    Led what man………

  405. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:30 pm

    Sounds like a great society to me.

    All they need fear is the slings and salami’s of school kiddies

  406. May 28, 2015 7:34 pm

    “I think you mean led”

    I think I meant ‘leaden’…~adjective

    1.

    inertly heavy like lead; hard to lift or move:
    a leaden weight; leaden feet.

    2.

    dull, spiritless, or gloomy, as in mood or thought:
    leaden prose; a leaden atmosphere.

    3.

    of a dull gray color:
    leaden skies.

    4.

    oppressive; heavy:
    a leaden silence.

    5.

    sluggish; listless:
    They moved at a leaden pace.

    6.

    of poor quality or little value.

    7.

    made or consisting of lead.

    verb (used with object)

    8.

    to make leaden, sluggish, dull, etc.:
    Fatigue had leadened his brain and step.

    …I didn’t mean light emitting diode.

  407. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:35 pm

    I find it amazing how many parents i talk to who drive their kids to school. I remember being terrified walking to school during some months. That was during magpie mating season. I took my brother and sister to school and we all carried sticks to drive off the dive bombing magpies. That is something so many kids miss out on these days.

    During the 1950’s/60’s very few people locked their doors. Kids walked to school and everybody had a job. If you didn’t like your job you left and got another job.

    All they need fear is the slings and salami’s of school kiddies

    Not sure what you mean by that but the 1950’s was not so bad. I find it amazing how many parents drive their kids to school.

  408. May 28, 2015 7:37 pm

    * I do enjoy the fauxgrammargestapocagematches though. I like word users.

  409. May 28, 2015 7:42 pm

    “During the 1950’s/60’s very few people locked their doors. Kids walked to school and everybody had a job. If you didn’t like your job you left and got another job.”

    Sounds like the nunuland reminiscences of a wistful childhood dream to me. Life was different not necessarily unambiguously better or worse, then. Same as it ever was.

    ” I find it amazing how many parents drive their kids to school.”

    Seems to instantly assume that every child lives within walking distance of a (public?) school.

  410. May 28, 2015 7:55 pm

    “I think I meant ‘leaden’…~adjective”

    Riiiight.

    “The conservative mind, so easily leaden up the fucking garden path.”

  411. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 28, 2015 7:59 pm

    hehe

  412. May 28, 2015 9:21 pm

    Tinfoil`osy”””’I`m happy to be accused of calling out anti-Catholic bigotry””””

    #yeah, the monster-institution really needs `you` to defend it and it`s flat-ground mantra, too bad you can`t bring yourself to defend kids

  413. May 28, 2015 9:29 pm

    tr”””””’it`s amazing they are in front at all, so I see it as a testament to Shortens and Labor`s abilities””””””

    #Totally agree team-cheerer. (tho not in any way which would please you)

    #With a strong history in `knifing`, l`m starting to wonder if blib will survive to the next election, or if caucus will wise-up to realize he shouldn`t.

  414. May 28, 2015 9:40 pm

    tr””””you could say, Labor are dragging a recalcitrant grubmint””””’

    #horse-hit. Your-team and zombie-team united under joolya to sink the gay-marriage vote. Now, in total desperation, both teams are trying to poach indi/green ideas, because they don`t have any of their own.

    #teabag+teabagLite=same.old.shit.out.of.canberra

  415. May 28, 2015 10:18 pm

    tb””””’guess what the multi millionaires are? So where`s the compassion?”””’

    #guess what the mafia and the pedo-club is too:-) teebz

    #l suppose Tinfoil`osy will `claim` blatant facts and honest observation/s as `anti-catlick-bigotry`, `again`, as negative aspects of dog-club are exposed. #teabags

  416. May 28, 2015 10:30 pm

    boo.of melb””’I`m a little tired of my taxes propping up the ABC agenda””””

    #2319 .. #Too bad ya not `tired` of your taxes propping-up corporate and dog-club largess, welfare and loop-holes, instead of the fringe imbecile talk-points you always swallow. What exactly is my `abc-agenda` blot has you believing you are propping-up.? You don`t even know, do you.

  417. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:50 pm

    Poor old Bill Shithead

    The “killing season” starts on ABC on 9 June

  418. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 28, 2015 10:58 pm

    Team glass jaw, they don’t mind acting like fools and wankers, but don’t let anyone say so.

  419. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2015 8:00 am

    The “killing season” starts on ABC on 9 June

    Fucken lefty abc! But then according to yomm, Ray Martins a “lefty” ROFL

    btw, when does “at home with tabot” start?

    I guess Sandilands is too now. Don’t upset the precious petals or be mean to then. The same pretty petals who were so rabid in opposition that school kids thought it was OK to launch salami sandwhiches at our PM. Yea, those precious petals. And don’t ask them questions in #QT about why, after they raise the tewwa thweat to eleventy, a madman contacts our highest “security” officer and asks for the phone number of the head of ISIS (WOW) and NOTHING is done. This same officer then uses this madmans actions to force through even more draconian laws. When it is obvious he is unable to use even those laws that were available. Laws that show quite clearly somebody with a modicumm of sensibility could well have foreseen the outcome.

    If you were not wearing the appropriate tin foil hat, you could almost be Zeppelined to believe that they DID foresee the outcome, and that it was one they wanted!

    But you’d have to be crazy to think that ………. wouldn’t you?

  420. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2015 8:02 am

    Australia… closed for business?

  421. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2015 8:35 am

  422. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2015 9:50 am

    Brandis certainly does have “Questions To Answer”

    And these relate to NOW, not 20 years ago.

    And it also relates to what this grubmint is supposed to be “tough” on, not inept at.

    Then, right on cue, the final Question Time for the week was dominated by more allegations of political opportunism. The Opposition vigorously pursued the Government over the letter from Man Haron Monis to the Attorney-General asking for advice in contacting the head of Islamic State.

    Monis, who took 18 hostages in the Sydney CDB, wrote in that October letter:

    … I would like to send a letter to Caliph Ibrahim, the leader of the Islamic State, in which making some comments and asking some questions [sic]. Please advise me whether the communication is legal or illegal.

    Shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus asked a series of pointed questions to the Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop, representing the Attorney-General in the House of Representatives.

    Bishop dismissed the questions as “loathsome”, given that two people, as well as the gunman, died in the siege. This, the Government attempted to spin it, was politics at its worst – opportunism and cynicism well beyond the raising of the gay marriage issue.

    Except this time it wasn’t.

    In this case, the questions – though political – were legitimate. The letter was received within weeks of the country being placed on the highest level of alert. A criminal on bail was telling the Government he wanted to contact the head of IS. At the very least, the letter should have been passed on to ASIO or the Federal Police, and not simply dismissed as “routine”.

    Somebody screwed up. The public is entitled to know who that was.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-29/cassidy-playing-politics-with-terrorism-and-marriage-equality/6504542

    This mob wanted to play tewwa card, then they get to own it.

  423. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:24 am

    HOW FKN MUCH! (or how to really throw money away …)

    News Corp’s National Aviation Writer Robyn Ironside reports that “to date, about $60 million has been spent on the search with Australia and Malaysia splitting the cost.

    “Both countries have committed another $50 million towards the search effort, and recovery — should the aircraft be found.”

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-is-the-most-expensive-mission-in-aviation-history/story-fnizu68q-1227373927698

    Economic managers my arse!

  424. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:26 am

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”: Voltaire TB Queensland!

    Shakes head – WRGAFF!

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:28 am

    I’m a little tired of my taxes propping up the ABC agenda

    ToM … then watch Poldark … ABC Sunday(?) … its not all about politics and news …

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:36 am

    … through her lawyers and other “influential connections” such as federal MP Barnaby Joyce

    So I wonder how much or what Barnaby’s price is to do such things … especially when “negotiating” deals overseas … shonky is as shonky does …

    … on the news this morning Price Waterhouse also wrote a letter to the daughter saying that they would have to pay capital gains tax if they won … AFTER advising Gina that they WOULDN”T have to pay … obstruction of justice, contempt of court, professional impropriety …

    The Robber Barons at play!

  427. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:39 am

    I’m not sure about Kyle Sandilands – i don’t listen to him. Is he on the ABC? Do my taxes pay his salary?

    The non ABC bit of the media will employee all sorts of contentious types – their main objectives are profits and audience share.

    But the ABC doesn’t have those objectives – so why shouldn’t programs like Q&A specifically and directly reflect the political orientation of the country?
    ————-
    I don’t watch much TV TB, I’m amazed that Abbott said he spent time watching Downtown Abbey. Why would he waste his time on that?

  428. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2015 10:42 am

    its not all about politics and news …

    fucken lefty arty farty shit propped up by yomms taxes no doubt!

  429. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2015 11:28 am

    “Somebody screwed up. The public is entitled to know who that was.”

    Of course you didn’t put in your comment Bishop’s full answer.

    I wonder why…………………………….or could it be that Dreyfuss actually received similar letters and his staff also followed the set protocols

    So there you go Dreyfuss did try to make political mileage out of the Seige

  430. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2015 11:31 am

    “Team glass jaw, they don’t mind acting like fools and wankers, but don’t let anyone say so.”

    So obviously you dont support our quarantine laws.

    Barnaby threatened euthanasia only if the dogs were not removed by the deadline. What Depp did in smuggling them into Oz deserved a straight forward response and Barnaby delivered one.

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 12:08 pm

    Why would he waste his time on that?

    Well it is set in the early 20th Century and is about his Lordship and Lady and the running of the stately home …

    Abbott’s a wannabe … so-o-o-o-o …

    Apart from that Downton Abbey is a very professional and slick TV series the Yanks can only dream about!

    BTW I think you meant Downton not Downtown … fkn pleb …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What Depp did in smuggling them into Oz deserved a straight forward response and Barnaby delivered one.

    Yeah! Kill the little bastards! Rather than place them in quarantine for 10 days … FMD …

    I’ve never watched a Pirate of C film they strike me as crap … BUT … they make a lot of money and keep a lot of people employed in our budding film industry …

    One of the Mad Abbott’s Acolytes just doing his job Father Barnaby not just killing a couple of little dogs off … but another money earning industry … yep, a straight forward response alright … 🙄

  432. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 12:18 pm

    I wonder why…………………………….or could it be that Dreyfuss actually received similar letters and his staff also followed the set protocols

    So there you go Dreyfuss did try to make political mileage out of the Seige

    Similar letters … how “similar” …

    On 8 April 2013, having expanded into Syria, the group Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) adopted the name Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.

    Starting in April 2013, ISIL made rapid military gains in northern Syria, where according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, it was “the strongest group”.

    Wikipedia

    So what were in these letters? Sent long before IS arrived on the scene and the terror alerts raised to the highest level … and the terror protocols increased in response to the threat level …

    Methinks, comparing rotten apples with good ones …

  433. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2015 12:35 pm

    “Yeah! Kill the little bastards! Rather than place them in quarantine for 10 days ”

    OK so now you advocate one law for a rich actor and another for the rest of us.

    Well guess what I dont give a flying bats arsehole about how many jobs might be lost in the film industry if a disease was to suddenly wipe out our fucking agricultural industry.

    And you cannot give them 10 days in quarantine if they are smuggled in. That sends the message if you do get caught everything will be OK anyway.

    Yet another stupid fucking argument you posted

  434. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2015 12:39 pm

    “Mark Dreyfus’s attack on me, based on a letter sent by Man Haron Monis and replied to by the Attorney-General’s Department, ignores the fact that the matter was dealt with in exactly the same way as it would have been under previous attorneys-general, including Mr Dreyfus himself,”

    “Mr Dreyfus also avoids the fact that letters from Monis were sent to him, as well as to other Labor ministers, including prime minister Gillard and attorney-general McClelland.”

    If its after 9/11 and after 2 Bali bombings and various other threats…………..why didn’t they act ?

  435. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 12:57 pm

    If its after 9/11 and after 2 Bali bombings and various other threats…………..why didn’t they act ?

    Read my earlier reply … hint … the terror level had been raised under BRANDIS … protocols are actually different …

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 1:03 pm

    And you cannot give them 10 days in quarantine if they are smuggled in. That sends the message if you do get caught everything will be OK anyway.

    Obviously people already know that … they went back to the USA and were quarantined …

    OK so now you advocate one law for a rich actor and another for the rest of us.

    Of course I do … *

    if a disease was to suddenly wipe out our fucking agricultural industry.

    The threat is/was from rabies … you generally need to be bitten …

  437. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 1:27 pm

    TB, if anyone writes a non threatening letter to a politician, why is it desirable to send it to the ASIO or police or any further authority?

    You might explain your take.

  438. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 1:29 pm

    But really, the critical question –

    WHY WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD DOZENS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT CHARGES, AND AN ATTEMPTED MURDER CHARGE AGAINST HIS FORMER WIFE, OUT ON BAIL??!!

  439. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 1:31 pm

    and …WHY WAS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL ON BAIL WHEN HE FACED SERIOUS CHARGES FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN???

  440. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2015 2:05 pm

    “WHY WAS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL ON BAIL ……..”

    And that is a matter for the DPP of NSW to answer and those dipshits are fighting AGAINST being made to give the reasons why.

    Its fucking Lunacy in the DPP

  441. May 29, 2015 2:11 pm

    WHY IS EVERYBODY SHOUTING….???!!!

  442. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 2:18 pm

    I AGREE, THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THE DPP AND JUDICIARY NOT TO BE PROBED ABOUT THEIR REASONS FOR ALLOWING A DERANGED CRIMINAL, FACING CHARGES OF VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AGAINST WOMEN, TO BE ON BAIL.

    I THINK THE SYSTEM OF BAIL OF THOSE TYPES IS F**KED.

    (I ALSO THINK SHOUTING EMPHASISES THIS POINT!)

  443. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2015 3:38 pm

    WHY WAS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL ON BAIL WHEN HE FACED SERIOUS CHARGES FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN???

    One of my first comments when it was first aired during the hold up/siege …

    erm … THIS IS SHOUTING … THIS IS SHOUTING LOUDLY!

    TB, if anyone writes a non threatening letter to a politician, why is it desirable to send it to the ASIO or police or any further authority?

    You might explain your take.

    For the third time … the terror threat had been raised to its highest level (ever) and the letter referred to IS … ie why would anyone want to write to the IS caliph? And Monis was known to NSW and AFP police … although I guess the Brandis staffer would not have known that … probably just one of his cousins … or a love chi … no, no …

    And in hindsight …

  444. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2015 3:59 pm

    I must admit, I’d be a little concerned if anyone who wrote a relatively innocuous and non threatening letter to a politician found that this was a reason to have ASIO launch an investigation into them.

    I think that’s genuinely bordering on a police state.

  445. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 5:10 pm

    …So obviously you dont support our quarantine laws…

    Did I say, or even imply that? I think you are verballing me again.

    What barnaby did was mouth off to the media like a drunken fool, trying to beat his chest and play the tough guy when it should have been handled much more tactfully. He was trying to big note himself and he came across as the right wanker that he is. That’s what he got called on, his attitude, no-one opposed our quarantine laws or thought depp should get away with it.
    If barnyard’s dept. had done it’s job properly the dogs should have been discovered on arrival, all it did was point out the dept’s incompetence and show how easy it is to smuggle anything into this country. Team orstraya caught napping.

  446. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 5:24 pm

    …I must admit, I’d be a little concerned if anyone who wrote a relatively innocuous and non threatening letter to a politician found that this was a reason to have ASIO launch an investigation into them…

    So all that death cult stuff is just made up?
    Someone expresses a desire to contact the very death cult that is so bad we have had to raise the security alert to hair raising high!
    Death cult, death cult, death cult, don’t dare go near them or we’ll lock you up for doing so, spruiked from the PM on a daily basis, but it’s just nothing when a female murdering,sexist and violent, supposedly religious extremist muslim wants to chat with the same death cult.

  447. May 29, 2015 5:58 pm

    It wasn’t the first time Monis had written to the authorities, apparently.

    “They were mostly dismissed as the rantings of a madman – a blizzard of letters directed to everyone from the Queen of England, the boss of Australia’s domestic spy agency, prime ministers and even then Senator Barack Obama.

    “From 2007 to 2010, Sydney siege hostage taker Man Haron Monis appeared desperate to come to the attention of authorities via a tireless letter writing campaign regularly discussing terrorists and terrorism and lashing out at the war on terror.

    “Every week for years he fired off correspondence to politicians, police, public officials, media outlets and prominent members of the Muslim community and then published the responses on his website, according to copies of the letters obtained by Fairfax.”

  448. May 29, 2015 6:22 pm

    ao””””””mouth off to the media like a drunken fool, trying to beat his chest and play the tough guy when it should have been handled much more tactfully. He was trying to big note himself and he came across as the right wanker that he is. That`s what he got called on, his attitude, no-one opposed our quarantine laws or thought depp should get away with it.””””””’

    #yep, agree fully armchair

    #bananasby`s ranting and raving went global, saw it on pbs?, aj?, etc, what a great thing to show the world, our ranting and raving teabumpkin.

  449. May 29, 2015 6:37 pm

    ao””””””’Death cult, death cult, death cult, don`t dare go near them or we`ll lock you up for doing so, spruiked from the PM on a daily basis, but it`s just nothing when a female murdering, sexist and violent, supposedly religious extremist muslim wants to chat with the same death cult.”””””’#ROFL^(#and-raping)

    #l think all mr-rabbits `wolf-crying` would have inoculated most govt depts `panic/bullshit-detectors` myself.

  450. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 6:46 pm

    …“Every week for years he fired off correspondence to politicians, police, public officials, media outlets and prominent members of the Muslim community and then published the responses on his website, according to copies of the letters obtained by Fairfax.”…

    Hadn’t he already killed one woman and bashed another?

    Just what does it take for him to be taken seriously, kill a man?

  451. May 29, 2015 6:49 pm

    “The conservative mind, so easily leaden up the fucking garden path.”

    Makes perfect sense to me…especially in light of the lengthy definition I provided. 😉

  452. May 29, 2015 6:53 pm

    I love how Mark Scott is rubbing Herr Bolt’s fur in the wrong direction at the moment.

    Showing Herr that his public opinion campaigns only have appeal to the niche, perpetually enraged, conservative base. No better than hairshirt wearing Greens; no matter how he’d like to paint them.

  453. May 29, 2015 6:54 pm

    “Just what does it take for him to be taken seriously, kill a man?”

    Who knows?

  454. May 29, 2015 6:58 pm

    “The “killing season” starts on ABC on 9 June

    Fucken lefty abc! ”

    Stop destroying Bolt’s narrative!

  455. May 29, 2015 7:00 pm

    “The big question tonight: does the Abbott govt take its own terror alert seriously? Politically: yes. Factually: no.”

    Don’t tell me!…it could be possibly for political mileage!?…no sir!
    Didn’t you lodge with George ‘Pious & Honest’ Pell? Say it isn’t so.

    *squirt, squirt

  456. May 29, 2015 7:05 pm

    “So obviously you dont support our quarantine laws.

    Barnaby threatened euthanasia only if the dogs were not removed by the deadline. What Depp did in smuggling them into Oz deserved a straight forward response and Barnaby delivered one.”

    I do. And I support Barnaby’s response, even if he did take the opportunity to milk his public profile…who knows, maybe that’s the level of gravitas it takes to make a fucking ‘celebrity’ obey foreign (to them) laws?

  457. May 29, 2015 7:11 pm

    “The threat is/was from rabies … you generally need to be bitten …”

    But could have potentially been so many other pathogens which our sea boundary precludes us from (until some rich/ignorant/oblivious) cunt brings it here.

    I don’t like Barnaby’s crap either, but on halal & Depptards he is correct (and fulfilling his role, as I see it).

    Obviously, I own two dogs & I would NEVER put them in the position depp arrogantly (presumably…I blame US cult of celebrity pervasive status) did.

  458. May 29, 2015 7:15 pm

    dunny””””I love how Mark Scott is rubbing Herr Bolt`s fur in the wrong direction”””

    #anything specific dunny.?

    #beyond the usual agitating of the imbecile herd, that is

  459. May 29, 2015 7:16 pm

    “Mister Moseley! you cannot put the poo with the pudding wine!”, said Mister Carson.

  460. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 7:22 pm

    These libs have got it bad. A plaintive cry comes from alby schultz’s death bed, he musters up all his strength to say “be nice to gina”. Apparently putting your kids through hell and back with litigation that goes on for years and years and refusing to grant their rightful inheritance is the act of a lovely, kind mother.

    Lay off ‘lovely, kind’ Gina Rinehart says former MP Alby Schultz
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/lay-off-lovely-kind-gina-rinehart-says-former-mp-alby-schultz-20150529-ghcndi.html

    …Former federal Liberal MP Alby Schultz has launched a passionate defence of his longtime friend and billionaire Gina Rinehart, urging the Australian media to lay off the country’s most successful businesswoman.

    Speaking from his hospital bed, Mr Schultz, who is being treated for cancer, said Mrs Rinehart deserved more recognition for her philanthropy and economic success.

    “I know what a lovely, kind person she is and I’ve never seen the person talked about by her children,” Mr Schultz told Fairfax Media on Friday.

    “I’m pretty angry with the Australian press because she is not like what she is portrayed to be,” he said.

    Mr Schultz and his former colleague, cabinet minister Barnaby Joyce, have been cited in the Supreme Court judgment handed down on Thursday, in which two of Mrs Rinehart’s children were awarded control of the family trust, estimated to be worth $5 billion.

    Mr Joyce and Mr Schultz both wrote to Mrs Rinehart’s daughter Hope Welker, urging her to drop the litigation…

  461. May 29, 2015 7:23 pm

    “I must admit, I’d be a little concerned if anyone who wrote a relatively innocuous and non threatening letter to a politician found that this was a reason to have ASIO launch an investigation into them.

    I think that’s genuinely bordering on a police state.”

    I must agree…the Brandis letter is a political distraction…and I don’t want to live in a world where I can’t send shit like that to a politician.

    Frankly, don’t give the fearsquirters an excuse to knuckle down on us all like that.

  462. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 7:24 pm

  463. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 7:25 pm

  464. May 29, 2015 7:32 pm

    “As you know, our politicians only ever do the 4-star Freebie laid on by the Israel Lobby”

    Yeah, them (Julia Gillard) & their megaphones, Andrew (not Gillard, but the megaphone of ‘others’) Bolt.

  465. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2015 7:35 pm

    …Frankly, don’t give the fearsquirters an excuse to knuckle down on us all like that…

    I think that ship has already sailed, seems australians are happy to give everything up when a politician tells them to be very scared. ASIO can do what it likes when it likes and no-one can ever find out anything about it.
    They’re so busy poring over our metadata with a magnifying glass that no-one can be spared to look at a simple, hand written, old style, paper letter.

  466. May 29, 2015 7:42 pm

    I just don’t want em becoming (more) like The Ministry Of Truth.

  467. May 29, 2015 9:10 pm

    Too late for that Winston. The Ministry of FearSquirt will continue to trample all before it.

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