‘Budget Bounce’ over for the LNP as ALP regain momentum with Shorten’s call for Same-sex marriage
Support for the Federal Govt has slumped 2% to 47% while support for Labor has climbed 2% to 53% according to this week’s Morgan Poll.
The poll was conducted over the last two weekends of May 23/24 & 30/31, 2015, with an Australia-wide cross-section of 3,140 Australian electors.
If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win easily.
Primary support for the LNP fell to 41% (down 0.5%) ahead of the ALP 37% (up 1.5%).
Support for the other parties shows the Greens at 13% (up 0.5%), Katter’s Australian Party 1.5% (unchanged), Palmer United Party (PUP) 1% (down 0.5%), while the Independents/Others were 6.5% (down 1%).
The ‘Budget Bounce’ for the Coalition Government has proved short-lived with the regaining a clear advantage over the LNP on a two-party preferred basis after Opposition Leader Bill Shorten promised to introduce a private member’s bill to Parliament to allow for a redefinition of marriage under Australian law.
Bill Shorten has seized on the groundswell of public support for marriage equality following the results of the Irish referendum last week in which Irish electors decided by a clear margin (Yes 62%, No 38%) to change the Irish definition of marriage to include same-sex relationships.
A Roy Morgan poll conducted in 2011 found an even larger majority of Australians (68%) support the right of gay people to get married compared to only 30% who think they shouldn’t have this right.
In addition, other Roy Morgan research shows an increasing majority of Australians believe homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children. In 2010 just under half of Australians (48%) agreed homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children and this figure has increased steadily each year since – to 51% in 2011, 56% in 2012, 58% in 2013 and 61% in 2014.
There have already been several attempts to legislate for same-sex marriage in Australia, including an attempt by the Australian Capital Territory to change the definition of marriage in the ACT which was ultimately reversed by the High Court on constitutional grounds following a challenge by the Federal Government which wanted to prevent a multitude of definitions of marriage being introduced in Australia.
Although Shorten introduced his same-sex marriage bill to the Lower House of Parliament today, less than half the chamber was in attendance with only a handful of Government MPs there to witness Shorten introducing his bill.
Shorten’s private member’s bill is the third same-sex marriage bill before Parliament along with similar bills by Liberal Democrat Senator David Leyonhjelm and a Greens bill also before the Senate.
There are now more same-sex marriage bills before Parliament than there are women frontbench MPs serving in the Abbott government.
theguttertrash.com 
The wider public is (generally) awake towards how AbbottCorp would seek to address ‘Budget Imbalances’, after last year’s thinly veiled ideological knife to the throat.
The ‘bounce’ was only ever gonna be temporary, as we all wait to see the fine print & the spin & deception unravel. Stupid fuckers got found out in 2014, large scale!
Only tremendous hyperbolic fearsquirting campaigns, coupled with actual (tragic) fortuitous nutjob attacks, will propel AbbottCorp into any sort of measurable lead now. No doubt, they’ll keep grinding that axe.
Playing ‘The Budget Is More Urgent Than Same Sex Marriage’ is just a neutered Boltism too, given that they couldn’t even implement last year’s budget.
They exposed their ideological underbelly too blatantly at the first chance…and mistook their actual political capital levels.
A Roy Morgan poll conducted in 2011 found an even larger majority of Australians (68%) support the right of gay people to get married compared to only 30% who think they shouldn’t have this right.
And I agree with, Wally, on this just do it … I’m assuming Wally is included in the 68% of course …
I’m looking forward to the next poll, after people see the lack of support by the government … ignore over 60% polls at your peril, I say!
They are ‘protecting’ their base vote, TB. Too bad a majority of us don’t encompass their base.
They’ve made this mistake since they took government.
Dumd, leaden, conservative cunts.
Australians are insane.
In 2007
unemployment = 4.3%
govt debt = zero
kids in detention = zero
asylum seekers in detention = 4
In 2013 after 6 years of ALP rule
unemployment = 5.8%
govt debt = 10% of GDP and increasing rapidly
kids in detention = thousands
asylum seekers in detention = thousands
And the ALP has no solutions to our increasing debt because they do not believe it is a problem.
Neil of Sydney is insane.
Immune to critical thinking.
Locked in a perpetual cycle of dumb blame-the-other…
How about, In 2015 after many months of Coalition rule?
hnnnnghhh…durrrrrrr
The facts are if the ALP gets back in, unemployment will go up and debt will explode.
How’s the budget deficit tracking under the Libs Neil?
Well not so great but it would be worse under Labor. The budget deficit will take 5-10 years to fix.
“not so great”
It’s quadrupled under the Libs Neil.
What should they do to fix it?
Are you talking about the budget deficit or the National debt?
I guess you are talking about the national debt and i find it hard to believe it has quadrupled. In fact we will not know the final outcome of Hockeys first budget until September this year. The result for the May budget is not announced until September the following year.
The facts will be decided whence they are eventually arrived upon. You are imagining facts over and beyond the event horizon, my good Kneel!
The facts will be decided whence they are eventually arrived upon
Here’s some facts for brekky 😉
Compared to the average level of spending in the last three full years of the previous Labor Government, the policies of the Abbott Government have spending around 1.4 percent of GDP higher. In today’s dollar terms that difference is more than $20 billion in extra spending every year.
http://adelaidereview.com.au/opinion/business-finance-opinion/budget-2015-the-abbott-governments-spending-explosion/#.VWwn9lK4u68.twitter
And those fucken lefties are at it again.
And it appears yabot took quite a lot from the GFC. Or not.
Self centered fuckwit
More evidence that the NATSEM modelling is correct and that this budget hits the poorer hard. And that hockey and yabot were outright lying in qt over their statements.
Senior academics have supported budget analysis that shows poorer families will be worse off because of family tax benefit changes
…….
In its modelling, Natsem found families with incomes of up to $47,000 with children will lose 7.1% of total disposable income by 2018-19 while the most well off families, with incomes of $119,000 and over, will be slightly ahead.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/abbott-accused-of-shooting-messenger-in-criticism-of-natsem-budget-modelling?CMP=share_btn_tw
Yea, but who cares, Roxons a Nanny!
This makes me laugh/mad TB
“The government should be upfront with the public about exactly what is in the budget sausage,”
Why should they, when the(ir) media won’t?
Self centered fuckwit
Yep, I hope housing prices dip a little, then show nil growth for a decade. Anyone hoping for continuing increases is a dill.
How does Abbott expect his kids to afford a house? With the (apparent) size of his mortgage, he’s not going to be in a position to offer much help.
Yep, I hope housing prices dip a little, then show nil growth for a decade.
This is way I recall it happening previously, before this century anyway.
More lies and bullshit from the grubmint intent on sending all manufacturing offshore
Defence secretary Dennis Richardson tells Senate committee he was ‘not aware of advice being sought in writing’ before Coalition announced its tender process
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/01/government-sought-no-written-advice-from-department-before-submarine-decision
Wow, how much longer will we continue to be the worlds worst pirates? Even the country hockey shed crocodile tears over has vowed to stop the practice.
Indonesian police say a boat carrying 65 asylum seekers has crashed onto a reef after being turned back by Australian authorities.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-02/asylum-seeker-boat-crashes-onto-reef-after-being-turned-back/6513520
I see yabot is continuing in his qt tradition of both not answering questions, and replacing an answer with a lie. Of course, the speaker thinks this is all fine.
Tony Abbott has brushed off the Treasury secretary’s comments about a housing bubble in Sydney by instead accusing Bill Shorten of wanting house prices to go down.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/tony-abbott-accuses-bill-shorten-of-wanting-house-prices-to-fall
I think (and have for a long time) that a continual rise in property values is unsustainable, and the we need a period of flattish prices over the longer term. Else, the re-alignment will be severe.
He is a fool to ignore the Treasury here, and must think us fools if he wants us to believe that that is what Shorten is saying.
But, howie played the same trick, and people followed along with him. Then the GFC arrived….
“Open” grubmint?
Tony Abbott had some detailed advice for his MPs and senators at Tuesday’s party room meeting about their interactions with journalists.
First, he said, they should talk about all the good things the government had done so far. When they finished, they should remind the journalist how bad Bill Shorten was. Then they should end the conversation.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/17/tony-abbott-tells-party-room-its-time-to-look-on-the-bright-side-of-life
Hows that working out fer ya yabot? 🙂
Team-cheerer, you just made a halfwit out of ya`self, at a level normally reserved for teabags. Last week sbs or my abc did a small report on smuggled goods, baccy included. Fun-Fact Thailand and China, cost of pack of smokes is less than $1.50, sell in Aust for `around` $20.
(and my baccy argument has never been the health/science aspect, no matter how much tap-dancing team nanny roxon does)
Fun-Fact
What was the “fact” dopey, that baccy’s cheap somewhere? No link I see, no idea what you’re meant to be claiming here? Did it mention smoking rates? Number of deaths?
and my baccy argument has never been the health/science aspect
No, you argument has been …………….. fuck only knows.
It is ALL about the health aspects, end of story, and what Roxon has done is another step towards banishing this poison from our culture forever. She should be congratulated but, for some unknown reason (ok, it’s cos she’s on a “team”) you flail against it.
Now other countries are following our lead. They see the sense, you just see the dreaded “team”, which you claim has “”micro-details of difference”, even though my last few posts just here defy that assertion with actual facts and supporting links.
Superannuation tax breaks for multi-millionaires need to be reined in, says the super industry’s peak body.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/06/01/super-industry-calls-review-tax-breaks/
I wonder if they mean in the way Labor did in the last Parliament, which hockey promptly undid, and then cried about revenue.
Just another ”micro-detail of difference” I guess 😯
Minister for Aborigine
Minister for Women
Continuing in that long line of irony
“”No, you argument has been …………….. fuck only knows.””
LOL… 🙂
“”The silent majority of Australians will reject moves to introduce same-sex marriage””
Yes, the peculiar thing about the self-professed “silent majority” is that they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.
Lenore Taylor sees the problem, but cannot find the source. And this just days after Labor spat the dummy with the speaker???
It’s astonishing how little policy debate is able to penetrate the chamber of slogans.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/bubbles-and-squeaks-over-housing-market-in-tony-abbotts-chamber-of-slogans
Here’s a hint, when someones asked a question, they can at least pretend to answer it, instead of ignoring it, and then making shit up about hte question in the first place.
Isn’t there supposed to be someone in Parliament to keep an eye on all those things?
they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.
One can only hope they aren’t silent come next election.
The biggest problem for Labor is, many who did vote for them, now want wunderland. So we end up with chunderland.
More lies, backflips, and ”micro-details of difference”
The Abbott government will spend up to $112 million to close the 61 Medicare Locals established by the former Labor government.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/medicare-locals-closure-to-cost-112-million-20150601-ghecei.html
Blatter announces his successor.
Unbelievable that it has come to this reb. How they got away with it for so long is the real question imo.
20.00-1.50=18.50 #great.margin #team.nanny.roxon
In””””””’a separate move, China’s ministry of finance recently announced a tax increase on the wholesale price of tobacco.
The move will affect the retail price for the first time.
However, the Beijing government faces considerable scepticism over the enforcement of the new law because previous efforts have been widely ignored.
The new price of a pack of cigarettes is unlikely to be a deterrent, as prices for one of the cheapest brands will rise by only 50 cents to 5.50 RMB or around $1.10.””””””””’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-19/beijing-to-introduce-tough-anti-smoking-law/6479254
#team.nanny.roxon
How does Abbott expect his kids to afford a house? With the (apparent) size of his mortgage, he’s not going to be in a position to offer much help.
How come he’s still got a fkn mortgage anyway? Oh, that’s right … if you can’t handle your own budget how can you fiddle properly with a nation’s … explains quite a lot, actually …
I think (and have for a long time) that a continual rise in property values is unsustainable, and the we need a period of flattish prices over the longer term. Else, the re-alignment will be severe.
The “real” issue is that people see houses as assets not homes … all this crap about increased value is worthless … if you sell your home then you have to buy into the SAME market for another …
It is investments and negative gearing (that encourages investment) that is destroying the industry and Australian society in general …
Our whole world is now aimed at making money as quickly and cheaply as possible – the less effort the better and if someone gets in the way just grease the palm of a local pollie … no-one seems to “live” anymore or expect to “work” for a living … or share in our nation’s development …
Yes, the peculiar thing about the self-professed “silent majority” is that they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.
And the silly woman obviously doesn’t understand how the “polls” work … she’s expecting the Libs to wing by a landslide next election too, I guess …
What is your point TB?
How come he’s still got a fkn mortgage anyway?
That’s really the question isn’t it TB
Especially with the amount of extra cash he’s fleeced off the taxpayers throughout his “career”
Newsflash for teamstupid
ciggies have cost a fucken lot more than other countries for decades. Not sure what this has to do with plain packaging? Probably nothing if yer history is an indicator
TomR
What has your comments got to do with the thousands of lives you have destroyed?
How many people in UNHCR camps are still in those camps because you voted for Rudd??
In 2007 we made 25% of cars in Australia. In 2013 we made 10%.
Kids in detention in 2007 = zero
Asylum seekers in detention in 2007 = 4.
Other than destroying the lives of people why do you exist??
The Coalition government risks making Australia’s $2 trillion superannuation system more vulnerable by refusing to reform the regime, the chairman of the financial system inquiry warned.
http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/superannuation-and-smsfs/coalition-inaction-on-superannuation-makes-system-more-vulnerable-says-david-murray-20150602-ghf9nl?stb=twt
And in reply to nil about “destroying lives”, all I can say to you is “nope nope nope”
You fucken well OWN that!
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Yes what a comment for all the people in UNHCR camps whose lives YOU have destroyed.
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Yea reb, WAKE UP! (I’m stuck in moderation again 😦 )
“”This is way I recall it happening previously, before this century anyway.””
Yeah but you happen to live in a dead beat state where no one outside wants to live.
Yeah but you happen to live in a dead beat state where no one outside wants to live.
So Sydney has been in a perpetual state of rapid house price rises?
http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/forward-planning/investment-strategy/market-trends/22658-ytc-monday-may-13-feature-soos.html
“Tobacco consumption down 17.5% since plain packaging laws too effect ”
So if it’s taken 3 fucking years for smokers to notice the new packaging then clearly its having little effect.
Try rising prices and illegal tobacco as the causes
Try rising prices and illegal tobacco as the causes
They tried that. The data pointed to something else
What could it be I wonders?…… 🙂
ROFL
Looks like the libs got pwnd and all their bullshit cries about “we must act NOW()” exposed for the cheap political stunt it was, all by a cheap political stunt.
ROFL
Labor has ambushed the Coalition in Parliament, which has resulted in the government voting against its own key budget measures that it has been calling on the opposition to pass as a matter of urgency.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-ambush-sees-government-vote-down-its-own-small-business-budget-measure-20150603-ghfip5.html
“”Labor has ambushed the Coalition in Parliament””
Good too see that whole “”good government” and “”adults in charge”” is working out well…
“What we saw from the opposition this morning was yet another childish stunt from the Labor Party, an attempt by the Labor Party to deny 11 Labor members and 31 Coalition members the right to speak on this bill and ensure that they were able to demonstrate their support for the small businesses of Australia,” Mr Abbott said.
“Madam Speaker, this bill will, in the ordinary course of events, pass this House either later today or tomorrow.”
How much do we pay these twerps! Get on with FFS!
These pricks would go broke in a month if they actually ran a small business or any business … oh wait!
Can I resign from Australia Ltd?
Very fkn limited at the moment … we’re obviously closed for business …
`Tobacco consumption down 17.5% since plain packaging laws too effect`
Tobacco WHITE MARKET SALES down 17.5% since MILITARY GRADE packaging laws too effect SAYS ABS, (who don`t believe own un/employment numbers) and re-echoed by kouk, all of which, don`t acknowledge customs only search 1% of shipping containers, customs admit they only intercept single-digit percentage(1%,2%,3%,etc) of `all-types` of contraband, and there isn`t any attempt to calculate size of black market. #ficks.det.four.ya
#but.don`t.let.inconvenient.facts.dampen.mindless.team.cheering:-}
#go.team.nanny.roxon
who don`t believe own un/employment numbers
Have they said the same about the consumption data, which is determined from industry figures?
and there isn`t any attempt to calculate size of black market.
Maybe they shouldn’t do it in the dark 😆
But then you say ……….
don`t.let.inconvenient.facts.
Heads up teamdopey, a lack of information isn’t facts. It’s really kind of the opposite.
#justsayin 😉
So, to “some” it up, the “facts” we do have, you don’t believe (after teamcheering for the tobacco industries immediately dis-proven set of numbers I’ll add). And to support your argument, you then tell us we don’t know, so it must be……..
Reading your drivel works better than a Bloody Mary first thing in the morning lol
#go.team.hair.of.the.dog
#go.team.hair.of.the.dog
‘I smoke a thousand cigarettes a day’: Johnny Depp
I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?
Just sayin’
Here’s @JoeHockey on #thedrum saying anyone who talks down the economy, the way he did for years, is a fool & a clown
I guess it’s refreshing that he has confirmed for us all just what he thinks of himself though 🙂
I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?
Yep, and Labors cowtailing to it all is depressing as fuck!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/deaths-of-bali-duo-linked-to-boats-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1227383785324
…The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indonesia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats…
Tony Abbott’s rhetoric is causing unease among voters who want stability:
http://www.afr.com/news/policy/tony-abbotts-rhetoric-is-causing-unease-among-voters-who-want-stability-20150604-ghgqpi?stb=twt
…No one can think of a funny retort to Tony Abbott, possibly because they are having enough trouble coming to terms with the unhinged nature of the rhetoric in which our Prime Minister now engages.
The business community and financial markets are deeply, deeply uneasy about Abbott’s rhetoric, but even more about his attempts to not just shut down the possibility of policy change in the current term but the next one.
Abbott is taking a wild punt on a message that would be coming out of the Coalition’s focus groups. That is, whatever voters think of him, the thing they crave more than anything else is stability and certainty…
…The Prime Minister is desperate to shut down any possible area of Labor attack. Yet all he is currently achieving is open warfare within his own ranks on a range of contentious issues from national security to gay marriage, and policy chaos in the pronouncements of his ministers. He is actually fomenting division between his cabinet and the party room on national security…
…Unfortunately, Tony Abbott seems to have perfected the art of looking ridiculous whether or not he is doing U-turns or not…
I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?
from the oz link above
“If an Australian military aircraft arrives as planned, China should use Russia as an example and take bold action and send our military aircraft to drive it away,” Mr Zeng wrote in the editorial. “If this does not work we should just shoot it down.”
The comments, which are the most hawkish yet in the escalating dispute, came after suggestions in the Australian media that Canberra was considering sending aircraft or ships to region.
They WANT to be SHIRTFRONTED by yabot.
After all, everyone loves a cuddly koala 😉
PM Tony Abbott: I believe Sarah Hanson-Young was in fact being looked after while she was on #Nauru
What a wonderful man. And people STILL dispute this fuckwit is a misogynist. jesus, he’s a fucken misogynist in the ancient meaning of the term as far as I can see.
Treasurer Joe Hockey has dismissed evidence the nation’s living standards are falling – even as fresh data showed the biggest trade deficit on record.
Perhaps he meant “clowns” living standards weren’t falling 😉
…The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indonesia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats…””
Yeah…………the Left are funny like that.
Because of the Boat Policy there are no more boats and no more Trophy Deaths at Sea for them to celebrate .
So the Left’s solution is to reach”out for another distant Trophy Death(s) to hold up with joy pointing at a couple of executions they say caused by our Boat Policy. Of course the fact that a number of other foreigners were executed as well is best forgotten
Yep if the Left cant have Trophy Deaths at Sea they’ll settle for distant Land Based ones.
“”@sarahinthesen8 was allegedly given the codename ‘Raven’..””
Stark Raving Mad !
So, you don’t think that us forcing back boats, which Indonesia specifically said don’t do, which then forced them into doing the same (which they then worked out that they aren’t that sub human enough to continue doing) would have any consequences?
If Alice is lonely, you can always keep her company down that rabbit hole lol
Stark Raving Mad !
Quoth the Raven
FINALLY!
http://www.readthetpp.com/
Free Riders r Us
Australia, with one of the world’s highest per capita emissions, “has gone from leadership to free-rider status in climate diplomacy”, it said.
The country was on course for emissions to rise 12-18 per cent above 2000 levels after scrapping the carbon price in 2014, compared with the promise of a 5 per cent reduction by decade’s end.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-singled-out-as-a-climate-change-freerider-by-international-panel-20150604-ghgbde?
“..which Indonesia specifically said don’t do, which then forced them into doing the same ………….. would have any consequences?”
There was no discrimination because of it. They killed other foreigners as well plus those foreigners in January.
Next batch might even contain a Pommy female.
There is no nexus.
If anything really proved to them Australia was not to be trusted it was your bunch spying on the previous President and his wife.
“The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indonesia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats”
Indeed. We already know that that this deeply stupid and highly politicised ratbag is quite prepared to trash the reputation and standing of the Human Rights Commission for a cheap political shot. She is truly as dumb as dogshit. Certainly reading her pronouncements is like eating same.
As long as the IPA loses their charitable status, australia’s version of ALEC is completely ideological, and ridiculously, funded by taxpayers.
They killed other foreigners as well plus those foreigners in January.
Except the French one of course 😉
When will the ALP find a fucking backbone and challenge the Fascist LNP state we are fast becoming?
I AGREE!
Don’t they realise that, even when in power, this will be used back against them?
Religious rather than ideological.
With friends like abbott …
Abbott Response ‘Creepy’ As More Evidence Emerges Nauru Contractors Spied on Sarah Hanson-Young:
https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/05/abbott-response-%E2%80%98creepy%E2%80%99-more-evidence-emerges-nauru-contractors-spied-sarah-hanson-young#sthash.NkNWCuux.dpuf
….Speaking at a press conference in Sydney, Hanson-Young said she had now been contacted by an employee of another contractor working on the island, backing the allegations in the submission.
“This wasn’t just some rogue group in Wilson security. Staff members of other service providers were told I would be watched,” she said.
“The fact I’ve been contacted by staff of another contractor, a different company on the island, who were briefed here in Sydney that I would be monitored… indicates this was much broader than just the Emergency Response Team inside Wilson security.
“The government and the Immigration Department now have to be absolutely up front here. Did they know about this?…
Bursting The Coalition’s Economic Bubble:
https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/04/bursting-coalitions-economic-bubble
It’s hard to know what’s more depressing: the gloomy prospects for our economy, or the fact that the current government seems utterly ill-equipped to deal with them.
When will the ALP find a fucking backbone and challenge the Fascist LNP state we are fast becoming?
If you are talking about the people in detention it should be mentioned that these people were all looked up by ALP/Greens.
And that spying thing happened in December 2013 just after the Coalition was elected. It is highly unlikely in such a short time the Coalition had anything to do with this.
This happened under Gillard published in March 2013
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html
“The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands.
Yes. What a dreadful connection Triggs makes – refugee policy results in the Indonesian government shooting Australian citizens.
Triggs really is duplicitous, does she have any evidence for this assertion. Unless she is capabe of showing some evidence, she should resign.
If Hanson Young was near my workplace, I’d keep a very close eye on her, she is probably the politician most likely to misrepresent and exaggerate.
Ah, here we go, just another attack on Triggs by the usual suspects I see.
There is no transcript of the speech but Professor Triggs’ office told the ABC she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region and did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/dutton-accuses-triggs-linking-bali-nine-executions-border-policy/6524802
This happened under Gillard published in March 2013
How can that be nil. Triggs didn’t do ANYTHING when Labor were in power (so the story goes)
What a self serving lot of crap from Triggs. She relates Indonesia’s position on the death penalty to the policy on asylum seekers and then says this isn’t related to recent executions.
Really Tom R – you fall for that?
Really Tom R – you fall for that?
Really yomm, you fall for this mob of proven liars over Triggs? Again?
Fool me once ………… lol
How many other countries have had citizens executed in Indonesia, even without having Abbott as PM?
Triggs should resign in shame.
“Professor Triggs’ office told the ABC she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region”
So Triggs relates the apparent unwillingness of Indonesia/the region to address the death penalty to asylum seeker policy.
According to her this observation is somehow isolated from the recent shootings in Indonesia that caused the death penalty to be of concern.
What a pathetic excuse, and Triggs’ credibility just suffers even more from the dishonesty of the excuse.
According to her
Do you have a transcript of the speech yomm? Before jumping on any bandwagons, just reflect on the accuracy or not of the commentators putting these words into her mouth, and their ulterior motives
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They knew what kind of a fuckwit he was back then lol
Fuckin Abbott ROFL
More ROFL
Sounds like ideology to me … is there a difference … really …
The government and the Immigration Department now have to be absolutely up front here. Did they know about this?…
Totalitarian state just around the corner … I have never seen so much controlling behaviour by any government (correction … JBP came very close) …
“”Do you have a transcript of the speech yomm?””
Oh………..has she denied she said it yet ?
Nope……………Nope……………….Nope
Well, I’m only using the words Tom R quotes from Triggs’ office – ” she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region and did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions
Fine, she doesn’t deny it.
When a public servant uses the death of Australians for some political point scoring, it’s time they figured out how to get themselves a new career.
The leaks! The lies! The whole nation is doing its nut! : First Dog on the Moon
I’m angry! Seriously, what’s wrong with us? I’m absolutely ropable! I’m Alan Jones-level furious! Is anyone even running this country?
did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions
Exactly, so, she denies it.
Of course, you (and others) will go along with the accusations of proven liars.
Your free choice I guess. Some people don’t seem to mind how often they are wrong as long as they get to slag their ideological opponents off along the way.
I have never seen so much controlling behaviour by any government (correction … JBP came very close)
It was the ALP who wanted to Fincklestein us.
And on second thought i would think it would be normal for a politician to be watched when they visit nauru just for security purposes. And it also means that Nauru was not off limits to politicians under the Coalition. Triggs was banned under the ALP.
it would be normal for a politician to be watched when they visit nauru just for security purposes.
If it was for security, then why would they keep it secret?
Triggs was banned under the ALP.
but…but…but… what happened to your months of “she’s a Labor stooge”
ROFL
Nope……………Nope……………….Nope
And I heard that, where? and in What context?
Stupid is …
Any1 else notice a pattern with this govt? When they want 2 distract us from something, they find a woman (today 2) & give her a kicking?
I was about to say that the Triggs paper is conveniently a distraction leapt upon by Wally (and others) further up the thread …
This government has bungfkled, backfknflipped, hypocrifkntised, deceived and lied so much I find it astounding that more than 10% of the population support them … just what’s in that Roman Catholic Church incense? And are there hidden messages in the hymns?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/female-libido-drug-given-tick-of-approval/6523666
I’m angry to read in news that the women’s libido pill has been approved by the FDA. Wonder how long before it is ‘necessary’ here. This ‘libido disorder’ has been manufactured by the drug company, they have been trying to make one for women ever since they started raking in sales for viagra.
Not wanting to have sex whenever a man may want is not a libido problem, I just hate that women will be told that something is wrong with them and told to see a Dr to get what is an anti-depressant med because they are told they have a problem. Also concerned about women unknowingly being given this medication.
…Flibanserin works differently from men’s erectile dysfunction drug Viagra — it targets the brain, while Viagra affects blood flow to the genitals.
Dozens of women also spoke to the panel about the distress caused by their low sexual desire and urged the FDA to approve flibanserin, whose proposed trade name is Addyi.
Critics characterised Sprout’s lobbying campaign as an attempt to bully the FDA into approving a drug with modest benefits and real safety concerns…
Dozens of women, wow, that many!
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/when-difference-of-desire-is-sold-as-a-deficiency-20100605-xloe.html
…Flibanserin began life as an antidepressant but wasn’t much chop. But during its trials some women reported sexual benefits. Boehringer looked further. It now claims that 50 per cent of women with low desire who take the pill for at least six months say their condition improved.
This outcome compares favourably with results reported for Europe, where trials failed to show any statistically significant benefit for women taking Flibanserin compared with a placebo…
…”The claim that one in 10 women have a chemical deficit in their brain that causes low desire is an absurd and shameful lie,” Moynihan told me. “The truth is that marketing is the foundation for these disorders. They use marketing to shore them up and make them appear more sold than they are.”…
I was about to say that the Triggs paper
Apparently it is is Triggs’ not Triggs 😉
This government has bungfkled, backfknflipped, hypocrifkntised, deceived and lied so much I find it astounding that more than 10% of the population support them
And what caused that outburst?? Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??
Speaking of sex!
Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/petition-to-stop-controversial-pastor-coming-to-australian-hill/6525774
…Hillsong Church is under pressure for inviting a disgraced American mega-church pastor who once likened women to “penis homes” to its annual conference…
…In what was dubbed the “Testosterone Gospel”, he preached of a muscular, angry Jesus and told men to take responsibility and stop being “wusses”.
He also told women to serve men.
“Within the covenant of marriage, men are the head and women are the helpers,” he said.
Ultimately, God created you and it is his penis. You are simply borrowing it for a while.
But it was the more extreme of his remarks that upset some of his female parishioners, in particular when he referred to women as homes for a penis.
“Ultimately, God created you and it is His penis. You are simply borrowing it for a while,” he said.
“While His penis is on loan you must admit that it is sort of just hanging out there very lonely as if it needed a home, sort of like a man wandering the streets looking for a house to live in.
“Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home.”
He told women to keep themselves tidy, saying a “wife who lets herself go” might lead her husband to sexually sin.
He also called America a “pussified nation”, with “men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers”…
And what caused that outburst?? Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??
We’re not all so narrow minded and tunnel visioned as you, Kneel , nor do we wake up and look forward to the daily Young Liberal and Adult Liberal pigswill propaganda …
My “outburst” is based on witnessing almost two years of incompetent government, cabinet and particularly shonky and very amateur fiddling with the economy of my country … this government would go broke running a kindergarten …
My “outburst” is based on witnessing almost two years of incompetent government, cabinet and particularly shonky and very amateur fiddling with the economy of my country
You must be blind. You just described the Rudd/Gillard govt.
But it beats me what makes news. Some strange story about Hanson-Young which has some bits deleted by the journalist. On second thoughts it makes sense that an Australian politician would be watched by security in a detention centre. I would want to be watched.
Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??
That’s the problem nil. SHY had no facts about “her protection” presented to her. It’s just creepy
We have no “facts” about Trigg’s’ ‘ ‘ speech, just accusations from proven liars.
Go hard with that nosy and noisy, sarah hansen-young too!
Why is it so outrageous that some people kept their eye on Hansen Young? Did they prevent her from doing what she wanted?
If Andrew Bolt was conducting an inspection of Monash University, don’t you think the student union might keep their eye on what he was up to?
If Andrew Bolt was conducting an inspection of Monash University, don’t you think the student union might keep their eye on what he was up to?
I’m pretty sure the bolter wouldn’t go anywhere near a house of learning!
Is andrew bolt a senator with parliamentary privilege?
Obviously the only terror that the australian govt is worried about is the terror of being embarrassed by the findings of their political opponents.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/greens-senator-sarah-hanson-young-nauru-spying-claims/6524430
…Whistleblower and independent MP Andrew Wilkie said he was deeply troubled by the allegation and would refer it to the AFP to investigate the claim immediately.
“To spy on a senator is obviously wrong on every level, including legally,” he said in a statement.
Mr Wilkie said he also wanted to know if there had been any “official collusion”.
He said if there was systemic misbehaviour within Wilson, then the company’s contract should be terminated and legal proceedings initiated against the ringleaders…
consumption=white.market.sales+black.market.sales
1.customs intercept data ignored
2.as is customs search data
3.ato valuation on intercepted baccy ignored
(these links provided to you months ago, on this blog)
Common sense should tell you that with all the other variables/numbers ignored (instead of being included) as the abs/kouk have done,
the fall of `17.5% consumption` is bullshit
#team.nanny.roxon #military.grade.packaging
Did they intercept her emails? Or tap her phone? Did they break into her accommodation and go through her stuff? Did they open her mail?
Unless they did stuff like that, it really isn’t “spying”, it’s being nosey.
Talking Point: Tobacco gangs push black market:
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/opinion/talking-point-tobacco-gangs-push-black-market/story-fnj4f64i-1227169434737
Chris Argent is director of corporate affairs at tobacco company Philip Morris Limited.
comments
Prof Simon Chapman AO of Sydney
POSTED AT 9:14 AM DECEMBER 31, 2014
Anyone wanting to understand what a total self-serving crock this article is should read my book Removing the emperor’s clothes: tobacco plain packaging in Australia. It’s free here
Click to access 9781743324295_Chapman_RemovingtheEmperorsClothes_FT.pdf
check out ch. 7 [p. 157-180]
Evaluating the impact of plain packaging
Did they intercept her emails? Or tap her phone? Did they break into her accommodation and go through her stuff? Did they open her mail?
Well, to be honest, we/she just don’t know. She had no idea she was being watched, so we don’t know what else WAS done.
And, why is tapping a phone different from covertly watching (and listening in on) somebody?
They are both invasions of privacy.
lol, just read who the author of the article you linked to is ao (not the Professor)
Chris Argent is director of corporate affairs at tobacco company Philip Morris Limited.
ao”””This `libido disorder` has been manufactured by the drug company, they have been trying to make one for women ever since they started raking in sales for viagra.”””’
#l saw this being peddled on one of the yank-tv shows weeks/month ago, it struck me as a big-pharma marketing-con at the time.
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ao”””Not wanting to have sex whenever a man may want is not a libido problem,”””’
#agree, (tho l think you injected your `feminista` here) is there any `real` libido problem women may have that `drug/s` may help (not-female, not-medical, so fcuking clueless)
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ao””’I just hate that women will be told that something is wrong with them and told to see a Dr to get what is an anti-depressant med””””
#utah, (home of mormons, with many wives,) is one-of/largest consumer of `anti-depressants`, and l think they `request` them off their quacks.
#the consumerism attitude gives me the shits generally, telling the public the answer to life`s problems is inside box of pills, bottle of booze or on a shop shelf, is as bad as saying the answer is in a holy-sky-fairy book.
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ao””’concerned about women unknowingly being given this”””
#so likely to be over-counter and not prescription here armchair
armchair, your `themercury` is a regurgitation/update of the same clap-trap the oz was peddling last time, ie big-baccy spin. Which doesn`t help the team-cheerer identify abs-spin.
“Obviously the only terror that the australian govt is worried about is the terror of being embarrassed by the findings of their political opponents.”
…or any insiders (doctors & nurses now, for fuck sake! if that don’t beat all) who might divulge factual appraisals which might paint detention centres as less than Club Med.
It is becoming totalitarian…sadly the other lot, when they get back in, are unlikely to repeal any of these governmentally expeditious, cynicism enabling laws.
When there’s a siege going on, the besieged will be the last to know…
That the race we’re running is a joke. And I’m a dropout.
Andrew Wilkie, well knows the price paid by whistleblowers.
Personally, I believe that genuine whistleblowing is THE greatest act of loyalty a person can enact unto their fellow countrymen. No wonder it frightens our ‘leaders’ so much they seem in a mad scramble to strangle it & call it anathema at every available public opportunity.
Says heaps.
Definitely no aroma of ‘Us & Them’ at work here…
Move along, passes the smell test…
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/05/coalition-says-kidnap-risk-means-wealthy-need-tax-reporting-exemptions
Unfuckingbelievable
A 4-yr-old asylum seeker was struck by a guard on the back of her head in a blow that ‘lifted her off her feet'”
AO how concerned were you when the ALP/Greens were locking up record numbers of people?? There were 4,000 incidents of self harm and 12 deaths under Rudd/Gillard. I do not recall too much being said until Abbott won govt.
Most children that Labor locked up have now been released.
“”telling the public the answer to life`s problems is inside box of pills, bottle of booze or on a shop shelf, is as bad as saying the answer is in a holy-sky-fairy book.””
Interesting point, however I’d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressents are not so much looking for the “answer to life’s problems” but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression.
…Interesting point, however I’d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressants are not so much looking for the “answer to life’s problems” but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression…
Yes reb, that is what the drug is made for, it’s an anti-depressive. It was noticed that some women reported a side effect of increased sex drive, then it became a wonder drug in search of a problem, but first they had to convince the regulators that such a problem exists for women. Looks like all their hard marketing finally has paid off.
I think my reply to you went straight to the spaminator reb, must have been because it had the s-e-x word in it.
Oh, now it is here!
Wow, is my laptop really slow or something? I only just booted up so perhaps it is still half asleep.
This is one gutsy and resilient lady, I can’t think of anyone else in high office that has been prepared to speak out about the atrocities and abuses being carried out in our names.
She stands head and shoulders above the rest, including all current MP’s, she will be crucified for it of course, but she has shown courage against an imposed fascism.
Her role is as a protector of people who are powerless, she takes it very seriously. Shows more humanity than the lot of them.
Do we even have a separation of powers in this country? Seems to me they all cower before ruthless government power.
Human Rights Commission chief Gillian Triggs refuses to back down, criticises foreign fighter, data retention laws that ‘expand ministerial powers’:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-06/human-rights-chief-stands-firm-on-criticisms-of-new-laws/6526798
…Instead she set her sights on laws which she says go too far, harming democracy and liberties.
Professor Triggs told the forum a “growing threat to democracy” was the diminishing of human rights and expansion of “discretionary, often non-compellable ministerial powers”.
“Respective governments have been remarkably successful in persuading parliaments to pass laws that are contrary, even explicitly contrary, to common law rights and to the international human rights regime to which Australia is a party,” she said.
She said counter-terrorism laws were passed with unseemly haste and plans to strip citizenship from foreign fighters were an example of executive power which had gone too far.
“This proposal strikes at the heart of Australia as a largely migrant country,” she said.
“Not only may this idea violate Australia’s international obligation not to render a person stateless, but also the detention may be at the discretion of a minister without recourse to judicial processes.”
Professor Triggs said “freedom of movement” was also threatened by the same act.
The human rights chief also criticised data retention laws, a recent bill giving detention centre guards powers of enforcement and the indefinite detention of some asylum seekers.
The speech was a far cry from what Mr Dutton had been demanding only hours earlier…
This is one gutsy and resilient lady
Yep. The bovver boy tactics from the grubmint and their media mates don’t look to phase her at all. They can make up any lie they like (and have), but that doesn’t seem to slow her at all. In fact, it might even be having the opposite effect.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/06/gillian-triggs-slams-scores-of-laws-threatening-fundamental-freedoms
She stands head and shoulders above the rest, including all current MP’s, she will be crucified for it of course, but she has shown courage against an imposed fascism.
I would have more respect for Triggs if she did what she is doing now when the ALP was in power. She just looks like a partisan deadbeat.
Does anyone else find this disgusting? We’re currently having a RC into institutionalised child sexual abuse and this govt. has regulated to cover it up. What kind of compensation will be paid out down the track? What will this ‘stop the boats’ farce end up costing the taxpayers?
She just looks like a partisan deadbeat.
No, that’s how you look.
No, that’s how you look.
The feeling is mutual
kids in detention in 2007 = zero
asylum seekers in detention = 4
kids in detention in 2013 = thousands
asylum seekers in detention in 2013 = thousands
corrupt and immoral people lead to corrupt and immoral results
Unfuckingbelievable @ TR …
So wankers couldn’t kidnap the CFO or CEO of public companies? FMD don’t these dopey pricks watch films …
Must spend too much time praying and singing hymns … 😈
Could you imagine a couple of thugs trying to kidnap Gina? Fkn hilarious! 😀
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/05/coalition-says-kidnap-risk-means-wealthy-need-tax-reporting-exemptions
Let’s rephrase without the political spin.
Coalition says wealthy should be exempt from reporting their tax because the public gets to know too much about their tax minimisation strategies and earnings, we don’t want them be victims of ‘class warfare’ due to a public backlash against corporate welfare.
Kathy Jackson fails to hand over work diaries, court documents claim:
http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/kathy-jackson-fails-to-hand-over-work-diaries-court-documents-claim-20150605-ghhvsx.html
…The HSU said it had become aware Ms Jackson kept detailed yearly work diaries, which recorded meetings and appointments on a daily basis and were relevant to her allegedly improper expenses.
Ms Jackson’s lawyer, Philip Beazley, cited a recent alleged arson attempt on Ms Jackson’s home and ongoing mental health problems as reasons for her failure to comply with orders of the court.
The statement also says Ms Jackson believes the claims against her amount to a “beat-up” that is lacking in any evidence.
HSU barrister Mark Irving told the Federal Court that Ms Jackson had released more than 1500 documents in a “document dump” in recent days, including what he suspects are hundreds of critical items that should have been uncovered during the discovery phase. Work diaries were not included in the dossier.
“She has engaged in a process of keeping secret thousands of documents,” Mr Irving said.
The court heard that Ms Jackson remains in “serious default” of court orders and has been accused of abuse of process…
Peter Dutton over-reaches on Gillian Triggs and Sarah Hanson-Young:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peter-dutton-overreaches-on-gillian-triggs-and-sarah-hansonyoung-20150605-ghhxes.html
“She has engaged in a process of keeping secret thousands of documents,” Mr Irving said.
The court heard that Ms Jackson remains in “serious default” of court orders and has been accused of abuse of process…
Pleased to see the “best laid plans” come unravelled … she was no better (maybe worse) than Thompson … her strategy was to do exactly what he had done … fleece the HSU!
… is “serious default” jargon for contempt of court? A jailable offence I believe …
Peter Dutton … is a Dickhead of the First Order© … what makes his performances as a politician and in particular a “minister” is his inept understanding of issues any more complicated than ordering a Big Mac … ask him if he “wants fries with that” and he’d go to fkn jelly …
His lack of research is frightening – he was a fkn cop for nine years! His stupidity his overwhelming, his ministerial performance poorly steered – he certainly can’t drive himself … his presence and articulation underwhelming … just another bleating Acolyte who can’t find his way …
The Mad Abbott should start issuing cow-bells to his ministers so he can find them – not that he stays on any straight and narrow himself … none of the pricks could read a compass … let alone spell it …
Peter Dutton (and a swag of others) owe a big grovelling apology to Triggs now AO.
Who’ll be first? yomm, wally, nil?
.Had Immigration Minister Peter Dutton had his office make some cursory checks, it would have been established that Australian Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs did not link the deaths of Bali drug smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats
Who’ll be first? yomm, wally, nil?
Do you have a link to what she said?
Why the f**k would I apologies TB? Triggs is a disgrace, and she is being dishonest and her excuse/explanation is cowardly.
Triggs said Indonesia was unresponsive to Australia re death penalty because of the government’s policy on asylum seekers
The only reason for the current activity around the death penalty is because the Indonesian President decided to shoot some Australian citizens. Triggs is being pathetically disingenuous in saying that her comments were unrelated to these executions. Cowardly too.
FINALLY!
http://www.readthetpp.com/
That would be so funny is it weren’t so fkn SERIOUS!
Good find tho’, TR …
Why the f**k would I apologies TB?
As Wally would say … FUCK OFF, ToM!
Triggs is playing right into the hands of tories being led by the fkn nose … all its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …
ll its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …
Nasty and dishonest there TB.
Nothing could be worse than the Rudd/Gillard govt
What about not requiring the wealthy to produce a tax report? Are some citizens more worthy than others?
We know gina doesn’t like doing that and was very late with previous ones.
Is there any real reason the wealthy should be allowed to have all their financial dealings in secret? I’m pretty sure she can well afford a serious security detail. It’s a wonder abbort & co. haven’t provided one for her from the taxpayers already!
Trigg is a cowardly and partisan public servant.
Even accepting her explanation – where is her evidence for even this assertion?
There is none and therefore she will be legitimately called a bulls**t artist who just makes up duplicitous, contentious, partisan comments, and then backs away in the most cowardly manner.
and she is being dishonest
Really yomm, can show us how?
Why the f**k would I apologies TB?
ToM, you are obviously on the sauce:
► I think you mean apologise …
► I DIDN’T ask you to apologise … TR did …
► Now I think I should have an apology
🙂
… all its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …
everything is a diversion for this mob. Don’t worry, even their diversions show them covered in shit. And, they can pretend the budget isn’t there, but, as time goes on, as with last years, the nasties come out. Reality will out in the end 😉
I DIDN’T ask you to apologise … TR did …
And I’m STILL asking any of these miserable acolytes to step up……… might have a drink whilst I wait 🙂
reb””””Interesting point, however I`d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressents are not so much looking for the `answer to life`s problems` but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression.”””””’
#l hear`ya reb, and somewhat agree. ln teh-usa `drugs` are directly advertised to consumers/the-public to `create` want or need, the `tag-line` at the end of these slick tv-adverts is usually something like `Ask-Your-Doctor`. l tend to agree with armchair more tho on the `wonder-drug in search of a problem`/market aspect.
`Ask-Your-Doctor`
And he will supply 😉
Thanks TB, I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.
And
apologiesapologise – apologies!I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.
Saturday has a clock?
They just peddled the `girls-viagra`shit on sbs world news, l wonder if it was an industry prepared(canned) report package. Smells like it is.
#IDrinkWithGillianTriggs
#IDrinkWithGillianTriggs
tr””’And he will supply””’
#yep team-cheerer, quack shopping (a`la michael jackson) is quite the rage in teh-usa, `free-market-rules` is a wonderful thing:-)
Kathy Jackson fails to hand over work diaries, court documents claim:
Looks like all the leaders of the HSU were corrupt. Just shows what power does to people.
#IDrinkWithGillianTriggs
Not me. I think you will find there were 2,000 kids locked up under Labor and now most have been released. And the time in detention is a lie. There are lies damned lies and statistics.
Under Labor there were hundreds of kids being detained. This stopped under the Coalition. As soon as you stop adding people to detention the average time in detention INCREASES. If 5,000 kids were locked up tomorrow the average time in detention for all the kids would fall dramatically.
Triggs is a pathological liar. Gee i wonder who she votes for.
tim ‘freedom’ wilson has rather sulkily reminded us that he previously wrote a piece for the oz on government legislating over rights. He didn’t stuck up for triggs though, nor did he even mention the issue. Appears to have no intention of criticising this government…ever.
Guess who will be handed the job if and when triggs is forced out?
He didn’t stuck up for triggs though
Triggs is a partisan scumbag who did nothing about the 2,000 kids ALP/Greens had locked up when she had the power to do so.
Abbott govt demonises the HR Chief
Triggs is a demon. triggs should have had an inquiry when labor/Greens had locked up more than 2,000 kids. But Triggs waited until after Abbott was elected.
Quoting Dr Nigel Stobbs – “It’s a statement of an objective and important fact.
If it is a fact, it can be proven. So prove it.
boo of melbourne”””Quoting Dr Nigel Stobbs”””
#2319 .. it`s stobbs tweet .. but it is the zombie dutton`s quote
Thanks TB, I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.
And
apologiesapologise – apologies!AcceptableAccepted.… but it is the zombie dutton`s quote … So prove it.
Dutton has always needed brain surgery but they can’t get his pants off …
I know the markets have had a flogging just lately and the RBA has cut the interest rate but economists seem to be up and down like a brides wedding dress on where we’re headed …
My gut feeling is that there is a massive economic disaster on the way … but I can’t tell where from!
Those unions and their officials have such a positive influence on the ALP!
The political future of state government MP Cesar Melhem hangs in the balance, with support among colleagues wavering and Premier Daniel Andrews not ruling out standing him down amid claims of union corruption.
Union officials and Labor MPs have expressed growing angst over a series of allegations against Mr Melhem, with some saying his position as upper house Whip is becoming untenable and others calling for him to be dumped as convener of the Australian Workers Union section of the caucus.
Cesar Melham was Bill Shorten’s successor. Did Bill follow a similar process in running the union?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/knives-sharpen-for-cesar-melhem-20150606-ghi9wl.html
Now the ACCC is on top the CFMEU!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/accc-claims-cfmeu-bosses-ordered-ban-of-boral-products/story-fni0fee2-1227386595671
This bit is the first quote –
Meanwhile the Brisbane Broncos trashed Manly Sea Eagles 44-10
After this magic try last week … and many of the “senior” players at the State of Orange camp …
Broncos now sit on top of the NRL Ladder …
Apologies the vid is against the Canberra Raiders last week, they played the Sea Eagles this week …
Well, well, well …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/superannuation/gfc-was-merely-the-beginning-of-the-end-what-do-you-do-when-the-iceberg-hits/story-e6frfmdi-1227386809222
Now I must share this with you all and I know many of you will guffaw.
I am not generally superstitious, believe in ghosts or fairy tales for children or adults … but every once in a while something comes along to “disturb” my cynicism.
This morning just as I woke up (or it woke me up!) I could see a graph, very quickly but very clearly and end of the line was in red and shot sharply down – just as I remember the ASX graph as the GFC hit!
We will be working on a variation of Pascal’s Wager next week – for obvious reasons. 😉
Governments around the world are running record budget deficits hand in hand with extreme levels of public debt,
And people want to vote the ALP back in. A political party that does not know how to reduce debt.
as previously discussed #ice-price
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network-10 news package just reported the price of `ice` has fallen to as little as $40`dose` in many parts of Aust .. and the `dose` will keep`em buzzing for around 2-days (big drop from the 300-500 we dug-up earlier)
package also said the `ingredients` are being imported very cheaply, from china, via online methods, which is `assisting/encouraging` new start-ups #yay.tpp
Maybe its because they’re using plain packaging, Tbagz …
Why on earth would a convicted criminal who ruined thousands of lives and families even be considered for a state funeral … this world is sliding backwards – fast …
Thanks to Robber Barons and their Wannabe “friends” …
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/alan-bonds-first-wife-back-home-in-perth/story-e6frfku9-1227386743164
supermarket tubs of SHOWBAG ice-cream contain 3-flavors in them,
toffee-apple(green), popcorn(white) and fairy-floss(pink),
Don`t waste ya`cash buying this shit, it`s absolutely disgusting, mate`s kid (that selected/tanty`ed for it) won`t even eat it,
yeah, l tasted it, fcuking horrible #730reportland.consumer.alert
Here’s the report in The Jakarta Post regarding Triggs’ speech.
– See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/06/05/australia-denies-asylum-policy-affected-indonesia-executions.html#sthash.IPRlN0Dx.dpuf
Jakarta Post … giggle …
t””Jakarta Post .. giggle”””
#it`s okay tb, rupert don`t own it .. yet
Don Weston – “Your an IMBECILE!!!
I think he means “you’re”
ANDREW BOLT: What an idiot we are.
guardian”””””’On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.
The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an âaffront to justiceâ when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing âextensive supportâ to the armed Syrian opposition.””””””
#nice find Tinfoil`osy
#it`s good to see this precedent/out-come, one which our canberra buffoons will ignore, and make further arse-hats out of themselves. Yep, remove `citizenship` or/and punish, for doing the same shit asis, asio, afp-plod govt are doing. #still.not.learning
So given that there is no evidence (whatsoever) that the Indonesian government is ignoring Australia about its shooting of people because of Australia’s policy on asylum seekers –
Is Triggs just making speeches about her sense of “the vibe”?
Is it appropriate that a statutory appointee make contentious speeches without any basis in fact?
Regardless of whether ppl “think” Triggs is right or wrong, is it appropriate for the Govt to be airing their criticisms through the media, rather than through the appropriate channels?
I think not.
It smacks of a deliberate attempt to destroy her career through some sort of “death by press release” personal sabotage than to pursue their grievances through the appropriate channels.
I tend to think that if a public servant makes some contentious, fact free comments about political issues, they’ve entered the political fray and can therefore expect some political replies!
Triggs is criticising government policy because the wrong party is in office. She was silent under a Labor government.
She really should try and feign impartiality. If she can’t see fit to do that, she shouldn’t complain when coalition politicians send criticism back her way..
rather than through the appropriate channels?
What are the appropriate channels?
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/survey-reveals-countries-where-citizens-dont-want-climate-change-action/story-fnjwvztl-1227388408028
What absolute cock! The Mad Abbott abuses power now because the last lot were so fkn silly and stupid with each other!
In fact …
Contradicts any “mandate” whatsoever … and I see there is no “author” …
So given that there is no evidence (whatsoever) that the Indonesian government is ignoring Australia about its shooting of people because of Australia’s policy on asylum seekers –
Have you read the what it was Triggs actually said yet yomm, or are you still viewing through the lense dutton and his morons presented it to you? This is from your link
“Is it any wonder that Indonesia will not engage with us on other issues that we care about, like the death penalty?”
Do you see her mention the current executions? Don’t you think it far more likely that she is speaking more generally of Australia’s ongoing attempts to have the death penalty eradicated, a central role in her job one would assume.
But, it is the two ministers who should be called on to explain their statement.
Dutton has just provided yet more evidence as to why he should under no circumstances be given sole power – even subject to judicial oversight – under the government’s proposed new law to revoke the citizenship of dual nationals involved in terrorist activities.
As for Brandis: well, as the nation’s first law officer, he should, frankly, know better. Brandis professes to believe in free speech, famously defending people’s right to be bigots. Yet he calls for an explanation of an arguable proposition – whether correct or not – from someone who is perfectly entitled to make it.
https://theconversation.com/brandis-and-dutton-play-some-dirty-pool-in-their-fight-with-gillian-triggs-42948
Both minsters have proven to be both inept and inaccurate, They should both resign.
She was silent under a Labor government.
You must have missed all those link nil put up earlier in the thread, where Triggs was VERY vocal with the previous Government 😉
“Is it any wonder that Indonesia will not engage with us on other issues that we care about, like the death penalty?”
Do you (or Triggs) have any evidence at all that they are declining to engage with Australia (or Brazil or the Netherlands etc) for any reason other than those stated by the Indonesian President?
Or is it just “the vibe” that you and Triggs get about Indonesia?
Weak argument … ToM …
Or is it just “the vibe” that you and Triggs get about Indonesia?
No doubt it is a “vibe”, backed up by words and actions that all point in that direction. Do you doubt that Indonesia is mightily pissed about the boat turn backs? A policy that has forced them to try the same, only stopped by their sense of decency, or inability to stay sunk that low.
Really TB?
Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection? Or is Triggs privy to some information that isn’t available to anyone else?
Or more likely – does she just make up stuff for the sake of getting some coverage of her political orientation?
“backed up by words and actions that all point in that direction.”
Which words and actions of Indonesia demonstrate that Indonesia declines to discuss the death penalty – with Australia, Brazil and the Netherlands?
Just nominate some specific words and actions. It should be easy for you.
Which words and actions of Indonesia demonstrate that Indonesia declines to discuss the death penalty
You misunderstand again yomm. The words and actions were in relation to boat turn backs. The words were. Don’t do it. The actions are, pretty much every interaction we have had diplomatically since.
As far as I know, yabots still sitting in his orifice waiting on that phone call from them. Keep waiting tones 😉
with Australia, Brazil and the Netherlands?
What do Brazil or the Netherlands have to do with it. Oh, that’s right, you are still arguing through the lens dutton provided you. Forget that yomm, and stick with reality.
Really TB?
Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection? Or is Triggs privy to some information that isn’t available to anyone else?
Or more likely – does she just make up stuff for the sake of getting some coverage of her political orientation?
Really, ToM … IDGAFF … Triggs seems to be doing her job …
I can assure you the government is run by a bunch of fkn wankers … they have damaged our international reputation irreparably as far as I can see … from the way they handled the spying (they knew about it – it was just atrociously handled), the turn back of the boats, to the threat of jail for journalist, whistle-blowers, doctors and teachers …
Even Amanda Vanstone has called Abbott a turkey re the citizenship debacle …
This is the worst government I’ve ever seen, full of amateur, incompetent buffoons … and I’ve lived through a few …
Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection?
We pushed boats back against Indonesia’s numerous public statements about their opposition to such an action.
Indonesia refuses to engage with Australia over the death penalty (and many other issues)
Connect the dots yomm.
I see, so for political expediency Jokowi decides to get rid of the informal moratorium on execution, and first up executes some poor, apparently insane Brazilian. He proceeds to do this despite the protests and imploring of his government.
Brazil made strenuous representations on behalf of their citizen, but he was shot anyway.
Similar with the guy from the Netherlands.
Both countries have been active in their representations and efforts about the death penalty.
But according to Triggs, Tom R and TB, the reason Jokowi won’t pay attention to representations is Australia’s policy on asylum seekers.
But this evidence free assertion requires the joining of dots – sounds like something to do with molecules!
But according to Triggs, Tom R and TB, the reason Jokowi won’t pay attention to representations is Australia’s policy on asylum seekers.
Like I said yomm, step away from duttons lense, and look at it through the lens of what was actually said.
Why do you continue to support powerful people slandering and belittling their betters with lies and smear? What is it about what Triggs has to say that you fear?
dutton is yomms oracle. This pretty much sums it up 🙂
Perhaps you would just explain what evidence you have for the assertion…beyond “the vibe aka “joining the dots”.
Otherwise you’re just expressing an opinion, without any basis in fact.
Otherwise you’re just expressing an opinion,
You mean, like Triggs was?
Mind you, I listed the “facts” above. It was an opinion based in facts in the real world, not the fevered imagination of a former drug cop who sounds like he got a bit close to the product at times.
tr”””’Dutton has just provided yet more evidence as to why he should under no circumstances be given sole power”””
#the dutton zombie has provided `evidence` that `sole`-power should never rest in the hands of EITHER team, they`re all fcuking shit-house.
#notice the cash-bonfire both teams feed in persecuting boatpeople, it is $470K-per-boatie. That`s the fcuking price of a HOUSE, which many of us can`t obtain, and many others struggle for decades to pay-off. All these stupid fcuks in canberra are bleeding us `all` dry with their extensive waste of tax-dollars.
You must have missed all those link nil put up earlier in the thread, where Triggs was VERY vocal with the previous Government
She was vocal after Abbott won govt. She delayed her inquiry until Abbott was elected. And that report i have linked to showing 12 deaths and 4,000 incidents under Labor was released after Abbott was elected.
If we’re going to accept that qualifications (drug cop vs law professor) we’ll then also accept that –
• My opinion carries more weight than Swan’s (or Hockey’s) because I have better qualification in economics than either of them
• Real world experience (such as law enforcement) carries little weight (when compared to the academic life)
“I listed the “facts” above.
I must have missed those “facts”. All I’ve seen is evidence free assertions.
…and Triggs has entered the political arena and therefore can expect a political response.
…and Triggs has entered the political arena and therefore can expect a political response.
I must have missed those “facts”.
Are you claiming that you missed Indonesia on multiple occasions voice their opposition to Australia sending boats back to them forcibly?
‘Asked’ to resign on Bolt’s platform, by a government Minister.
How quaint.
Requisite legitimacy applied to ‘request’.
Dutton will screw the pooch in his current portfolio as he has in all those past.
“We don’t like highlighting or discrediting of our mantras, so…shut up”. Leaden, hed, conservative pied pipers.
Peter Costello gives good reason not to trust economists/Treasury
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/taxpayers-the-real-victims-of-labor-war/story-fni0ffsx-1227388678265
Of the era, the part I like best is the Treasury explanation of the benefits of the stimulus in the 2009 Budget. It showed that without “temporary” stimulus, unemployment would peak in 2010 at 10 per cent but with it the outcome would only be 8.5 per cent. Do you know what unemployment turned out to be in 2010? It was 5.25 per cent.
Treasuries forecasts always seem to be wrong.
Peter Costello thinks Treasury are buffoons because Labor kept Unemployment low. 😯
This is the same costello who helped make houses unaffordable for the average person. Thanks, but no thanks.
It used to be said that house prices couldn’t climb to the level where owner-occupiers couldn’t afford to buy them. But it’s no longer true. John Howard severed the link in September 1999. A simple change to the Tax Act created a whole new class of buyers for whom occupying the house wasn’t the point. They could make big money by using houses as investments, getting someone else to live in them, and selling them later at a profit. From September 1999 only half of any profit they made was subject to tax.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-happy-to-blow–air-into-housing-bubble-20150608-ghimy1
Fuck costello and the hammock he swung in on on.
Peter Costello thinks Treasury are buffoons because Labor kept Unemployment low
No, he thinks people like you and Treasury are buffoons. Treasury predicted unemployment would reach 8.5% WITHOUT stimulus spending.
Speaking of ‘the vibe’, it appears that is how we are now guverned. Not just comments on opinions, but laws that affect us all are made on hte basis of ‘the vibe’
The Coalition did not receive any advice from security agencies before agreeing to shield 700 of the nation’s largest private companies from disclosing their tax affairs on the basis that the information could endanger the personal security of the wealthy individuals behind them.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-sought-no-security-advice-on-kidnap-fears-before-protecting-wealthy-from-tax-disclosure-20150608-ghiv74.html
I heard Bryan Burdekin, first human rights commissioner on radio national this morning.
He said he first raised the death penalty with Indonesia in 1992. What was the policy/political reason they didn’t engage on the issue 24 years ago?
Treasury predicted unemployment would reach 8.5% WITHOUT stimulus spending.
I think you meant WITH
Bad naughty Labor, keeping it even lower. So, what you are saying is, Labor implemented the policy even better than anticipated? 🙂
And, even then, we missed out on a recession by a whisker. We came so close that the libs media arm were claiming it was one anyway.
I think you meant WITH
OK 10% unemployment without stimulus and 8.5% with stimulus.
It shows Treasury cannot forecast anything accurately as we have seen under Swan.
What was the policy/political reason they didn’t engage on the issue 24 years ago?
Bryan Burdekin defended Gillian Triggs and supported her comments yomm.
And he didn’t say Indonesia didn’t ‘engage’, in fact, he mentioned that they did? Stop making shit up. Are you dutton?
[audio src="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/06/bst_20150609_0736.mp3" /]
It shows Treasury cannot forecast anything accurately as we have seen under Swan.
Or costello, or hockey, or anyone.
But it is the best we have, and all Treasurers work under those assumptions.
fckn UNIONS!
Labor backbencher Doug Cameron has launched a scathing attack on the Fair Work Ombudsman for her punishment of a Taiwanese company that perpetrated what he described as “one of the most egregious breaches of workplace law that I have seen for many years”. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/08/doug-cameron-takes-aim-over-slap-wrist-egregious-worker-exploitation#sthash.stz1uprJ.dpuf
yeah! For 24 years Indonesia has declined to take any notice of us regarding The death penalty.
But the problem is that we turn back back boats, from a little over a year ago.
Of course no mention. of their outrage over us spying on their president.
yeah! For 24 years Indonesia has declined to take any notice of us regarding The death penalty.
You said they refused to engage, whereas the previous commissioner spoke DIRECTLY of engaging with them.
What version of your inaccurate statement do you want to run with yomm?
Burdekin spoke to their FM 24 years ago, he said. Is their FM now refusing to speak to Australian representatives?
Do you think they were also offended about the spying on their president?
And, even then, we missed out on a recession by a whisker. We came so close that the libs media arm were claiming it was one anyway.
And we are now closer than ever, thanks to the ineptitude of The Mad Abbott & His Acolytes …
And we are now closer than ever, thanks to the ineptitude of The Mad Abbott & His Acolytes …
You judgement is very poor. Anybody who believes that unemployment will drop or debt will reduce if Labor gets back in is insane.
Or costello, or hockey, or anyone.
At least with Costello it was generally correct. If Costello predicted a surplus we got one it was just bigger than predicted. As for Hockey we will not know until September.
Is their FM now refusing to speak to Australian representatives?
Looks like things are going swimmingly
At the height of Abbott government’s efforts to seek clemency for the two men, Julie Bishop asked Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi what Indonesia does to secure clemency for its citizens on death row in other countries.
In reply the Indonesian foreign minister told Ms Bishop, ‘it’s none of your business.’
– See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/05/04/bishop-told-to–mind-your-own-business-.html#sthash.5s4JDOpr.dpuf
“”Indonesia refuses to engage with Australia over the death penalty (and many other issues)””
OK…….what is the highest profile instance of that you can think of and when did it occur ?
“none of your business” – perhaps because they cough yo lots of cash and preferred not to debate this?
and preferred not to debate this?
wow yomm. And what was Triggs comment again? 😯
Wiggle, wiggle going on here … (see above) …
What about more Liberal Party ineptitude …
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/grahame-morris-apologises-for-bizarre-anti-irish-rant/story-fns0jze1-1227389697808
TEST
So we have the Human Rights Commissioner raising the death penalty with Indonesia 24 years ago, but we’re not getting anywhere because we changed policy on asylum seekers 18 months ago.
Right, I think I’m getting Tom R’s logic now – there is none.
but we’re not getting anywhere because we changed policy on asylum seekers 18 months ago.
Even though, just above, you almost got there lol
and preferred not to debate this?
Close, but no bananna yet yomm 😉
Speaking of logic, here’s joe
“Sydney’s house prices have gone up 30% since 2011. “”
Only a truly dumb fuck would look at it like that. Sydney property was no where near as bouyant during the period 2004 to 2010.
So what did wages do during that period ?
So what did wages do during that period ?
I know … do you?
In Sydney and NSW between 4.2 and 4.8% for 2005 to 2011 which gives a compounded increase of between 33.4% and 38.8%
So you were gonna say something ?
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5673.0.55.003#Anchor3
Two things actually …
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/wage-growth
You can check out both here …
Even I know that real wage growth has nosedived … compounded? WTF! You obviously don’t live on a wage …
You probably think that CPI reflects actual cost of living!
“Even I know that real wage growth has nosedived … compounded?”
Oh I see instead of talking specifically about Sydney, which the original quote was related to, you want to muddy the waters as usual and talk about Australia wide.
Sorry but that’s a load of Bullshit. We were not talking of real house price growth over 2004 to 2011.
And I dont buy into your “vibe” thing.
And I dont buy into your “vibe” thing.
Of course you don’t … and do I care? You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too …
This time I know its on the way but can’t put my finger on it … maybe there are too many indicators …
Watch last night’s The Business (although it is on ABC) … oh, you’ll find it on iView you can find that, can’t you? They discuss China and the coming year …
Oh, and watch Assault on Wall Street – I watched that for the first time last night too … (I actually thought it was about a robbery – well, I suppose it was …)
As for wages … We were not talking of real house price growth over 2004 to 2011.?
Actually I do remember a discussion in a boardroom that a consultant from Sydney shouldn’t be discounted because his daily rate was twice that of one from Brisbane … because of the CoL … so I get your argument …
But “compounded”?
BTW … that consultant from Brisbane won the job on merit not fee … and worked for the company for nine years … you’ve been harassed by him for a decade now … 🙂
And frankly the cost of housing in Sydney interests me not one jot … but it is inflated … by negative gearing and foreign investment … please keep it there …
“You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too … ”
Perhaps you should not have used past tense there.
Still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg !
“And frankly the cost of housing in Sydney interests me not one jot ”
So why comment in the first place
Shakes head
Shakes head
You’d be the only one around here to ask that … should the bubble burst … it will waft like a very bad fart across the country …
It’s all based on Jockeyspeak – “if Sydney’s house prices were too high no-one would buy them” …
You probably agree with Jockey’s advice to first home buyers too … “get a well paid job” …
Out of touch or out of his mind … “let them eat cake” … silver spoons stuck up people’s arses really make them talk shite!
Get a hair cut, and get a well heeled job!
hockeys idiocy on display.
Would-be owner-occupiers have become a minority in a housing market they once dominated.
The latest figures released on Tuesday show would-be owner-occupiers accounted for just 48.4 per cent of the money borrowed for home loans in April – the lowest proportion on record.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/joe-hockey-is-wrong-houses-are-becoming-unaffordable-20150609-ghjys6.html
All those dole bludgers need to do is get off their arse, get born into money, and become investors. It can’t be that hard.
All those dole bludgers need to do is get off their arse, get born into money, and become investors. It can’t be that hard.
Then join the Liberal Party, a few nod, nods – wink, winks, get elected and become Treasurer, fkn easy!
BTW, TR, The Mad Abbott’s job must be really good he’s still got a mortgage (negative geared, is my guess) …
blubbers”””you want to muddy the waters as usual”””’
#it`s not teebz `muddying-waters` blubbers, it`s the `definition` or `description` attached to the `numbers` that muddy the waters.
#Take `household-income` which is bandied about in various metrics and political statements. Think about it. lt distorts the figures and overstates the `well-being` of wage-earners, particularly `singles`. lt would be much more accurate to use `individuals` income.
“You probably agree with Jockey’s advice to first home buyers too … “get a well paid job” …”
So you believe the unemployed and all those on low salaries are entitled to bank finance so they can live anywhere of their choosing ?
Mmmmmm……………..I wonder where they tried that before ?
“You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too … ”
Now you know why I’m still………………… ROTFLMAO
Joe Hockey left one thing out. The word “sacrifice”.
If you “sacrifice”you might find you’ll be able to buy a house faster
So you believe the unemployed and all those on low salaries are entitled to bank finance so they can live anywhere of their choosing ?
Mmmm … did I say that? Or are you up to your usual crap … trying to out-think people – badly … and put words into their comments that don’t exist?
The problem with Hockey’s statement is that there are too few “well paid, long term” jobs available … and interest rates low as 2% won’t help that …
Hockey also commented that if the house prices were too high people wouldn’t be buying them … er, only foreigners – OK Chinese – looking for somewhere to stick ill-gained profits and investors seeking to take advantage of negative gearing can afford them …
If the “housing price disease” in Sydney continues, then it will inevitably spread to other major cities …
Houses should be homes not investments … a home should never be an asset … people changed the name (home to asset) and changed the game – for the rich and greedy …
If you buy a home and it increases in value … then move, you are still selling and buying in the same market … but if the prices have been pushed up by investors then your “good job” income won’t keep up … simples ..
The French and the Americans had similar answers in different ways … both to greedy aristocracy … for that’s how the present government and its controlling Robber Barons see themselves … this country like most Western “democracies” are owned – seriously owned … we certainly have no free market? Free speech? Free enterprise? Free movement?
What a farce …
… in fact the government has done a lousy job in helping businesses to survive, building infrastructure to create new jobs (the miners have civil engineering skills), helping to create new industries to compensate for the loss of the mining boom (agriculture, light engineering, manufacturing, renewable energy) … it has done exceedingly well in spending money on wasteful exercises such as the RC on unions, school chaplains, jet fighters that don’t and pandering to the rich and crazy …
As for the sacrifice shit … you should know by now you’re talking to the wrong person …
But if you have nothing – what do you sacrifice?
Who would want to live in a rat hole like Sydney anyway?
“”Who would want to live in a rat hole like Sydney anyway?””
Because according to Tracey Grimshaw on ACA it would seem that the further North one travels the population of financial scammers, paedophiles, ill educated, safari suit wearing, whinging retirees, dole bludgers, and ant – vaccination types with rotting teeth exponentially increases
“”If you buy a home and it increases in value … then move, you are still selling and buying in the same market …””
Not so…………you might be shifting/downsizing to the apartment market.
Gillian Triggs (Law Professor) Vs Peter Dutton (Former Drug Cop)
“”Out of the mouths of total babes””
So now TomR and his Leftist mates decide to belittle the intelligence of cops as opposed to a Professor.
How quaint !
I think it is fair to allow negative gearing for new houses only. Also some stringent control over foreign investment in housing.
Hockey is wrong, the problem isn’t simply one of supply, there needs to be some tapering of demand.
So now TomR and his Leftist mates decide to belittle the intelligence of cops as opposed to a Professor.
I’m pretty sure most cops would understand the difference between themselves and a Professor. It’s illuminating that you don’t.
As for hockey, he’s a spoilt bully who talks out of his arse. Which wouldn’t be so bad, if his words didn’t affect people so detrimentally.
And we see that the boats haven’t stop. No, all that has happened, is that our Federal grubmint has become just another link in the people smuggling chain.
An Indonesia police chief has claimed Australian officials paid off people smugglers to turn back a boat full of asylum seekers.
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/10/03/37/australian-customs-officials-reportedly-paid-people-smugglers-to-turn-back-boat#vxyYXlxHdCFIuBT4.99
And to make matters worst, the same grubmint is also spying on our own politicians
The Immigration Department has confirmed Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young was spied on during her visit to Nauru by at least one Wilson Security officer who may have had a “brain explosion”.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/immigration-department-confirms-sarah-hansonyoung-was-spied-on-20150609-ghk0kr.html
And how did we forget this …………….Gillian Triggs again
“In light of my findings regarding the act of the Minister in failing to place Mr Basikbasik in a less restrictive form of detention than in an immigration detention centre, I recommend that the Commonwealth pay compensation to Mr Basikbasik in the amount of $350,000”.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-attacks-gillian-triggs-for-bizarre-ruling-20150108-12k3us.html
“Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young was spied on during her visit to Nauru..””
The Nauru government controls what goes on outside the detention centre. I realise you were obviously a pupil once with special needs so I’ll say it slowly………………………….
Its called sovereignty
Spying is what the previous government did to the President of Indonesia and his family – stuff like opening mail, listening to phone calls, looking at emails, personal stuff.
Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”
“”I’m pretty sure most cops would understand the difference between themselves and a Professor.””
Really…………………what like “real world”” stuff……………………….or would you care to elaborate ?
“Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”………””
“Perving”” ?
.or would you care to elaborate ?
Is it the qualifications of a police officer, or that of a Professor that you aren’t up on wally?
Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”
Nauru is a pub?
“”Is it the qualifications of a police officer, or that of a Professor that you aren’t up on wally?””
In Foreign Affairs do you mean ?……………..afterall that’s what she was talking about
Please point out her qualifications in Foreign Relations.
Do be quick I’m off to lunch soon
The Human Rights Commissioner is supposed to do her job………………..
“”(b) efficiently and with the greatest possible benefit to the people of Australia.””
How does that fit in with paying $350,000 to a convicted murderer (his own wife) who is not even a citizen.
Here we have Domestic Violence at its most extreme yet TomR has the absolute gall to cry foul about the government”s approach to Domestic Violence.
Please point out her qualifications in Foreign Relations.
Her qualifications are in Law wally, which she is speaking off. The death penalty being, you know, a law and all 😯
It even said it in the tweet you were responding to, so ignorance can’t really be your excuse this time … can it?
Now, police know a bit about the law, too, but, to compare the two especially on the finer details of interpretation is well…. like comparing an accountant with a productive worker in the community.
gall to cry foul about the government”s approach to Domestic Violence.
Is this the same grubmint who just tried to cut funding to female victims of Domestic violence? That grubmint. Being the Human Rights Commissioner, Triggs was standing up for someone who had served their time under our laws, but then remained incarcerated without charge. But I guess you think that’s fine that we keep people locked up without charge?
lolz
“Her qualifications are in Law wally,”
But what are her qualifications in Foreign Affairs ?
She was commenting on our Indo relationship afterall.
The Tweet was implying Dutton was just another dumbarse cop. You know how the Left and Policing dont go together well.
“” But I guess you think that’s fine that we keep people locked up without charge?””
If the person is assessed as a continued threat then lock him up by all means. I’d deport him but Human Rights peoplez say we must not.
Perhaps you have a spare room ?
She was commenting on our Indo relationship afterall.
It is also legal wally. The death penalty, boat turn backs, both are examples of laws, which is what she is an Emeritus Professor in. Yes, I think I’ll take her opinion over a drug cop any day.
The Tweet was implying Dutton was just another dumbarse cop.
I’m not denying that, although, I think he is far dumber than the average cop, many of whom are quite bright.
If the person is assessed as a continued threat then lock him up by all means.
So, was he? That’s really the crux of the matter isn’t it.
TomR
If you are supporting Triggs,this proves she is a partisan deadbeat.
You only support dishonest and corrupt policies/people.
Yep, Triggs is a lawyer, therefore agree with her opinion over a cop.
I have post graduate qualifications in economics, therefore you can take my opinion over someone less qualified.
As for hockey, he’s a spoilt bully who talks out of his arse. Which wouldn’t be so bad, if his words didn’t affect people so detrimentally.
As usual you are telling lies. It was Holden who threatened Hockey. They also threatened Gillard. If you were the Treasurer of Australia and a multi-national company threatened you what would you do?
Holden told both Gillard and Hockey, give us more money or we will leave.
TomR you are the definition of deceit.
I have post graduate qualifications in economics
Of course, just having a qualification isn’t the be all and end all, as yomm has just highlighted, especially considering his recent comment on the other thread 😉
Holden told both Gillard and Hockey, give us more money or we will leave.
And hockey said FUCK OFF, AND TAKE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS WITH YOU!
What did he say yesterday again? 😆 :sob:
Like I said…………………you purport outrage on the Domestic Violence front but defend the outrageous
“…..University of Queensland social work lecturer Deborah Walsh said
“He will have had no serious perpetrator intervention,” said Dr Walsh. who has worked with domestic violence offenders for nearly two decades.
“Having no intervention would put other women associated with him at risk.”…………””
http://morningmail.org/triggs-tedious-pest/
So why promote Triggs and disparage a cop on the basis of their qualifications?
Dont you hate it when a friend cancels lunch just because they ran up the back of a car ?
And hockey said FUCK OFF, AND TAKE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS WITH YOU!
Comments like that help nobody. Holden threatened Gillard
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/holden-job-cuts-threaten-car-handouts-20130408-ji0m5
Holden threatened to leave Australia last year unless the $275 million was forthcoming and the federal government hopes to calm things down. One source said the $275 million was “about securing investment in the two next-generation cars, not closing the place down’’.
Holden was continually threatening the Australian govt. Fact is no matter who was in power it is too expensive to make cars in Australia.
Fact is no matter who was in power it is too expensive to make cars in Australia.
Fact is, that is outright bullshit.
All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies to help cope with international tariffs, others countries internal subsidies, other countries direct taxes and the extremely high dollar.
But no, hockey wanted them gone, for purely ideological reasons, so out they must go.
Then he wonders why no one can afford a house! Not sure he’ll be getting Worlds Greatest Treasurer too soon
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHFxXYsXEAAoshl.jpg:large
All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies to help cope with international tariffs,
And that is what they got. Not for the one millionth time but for the 10 millionth time, after Ford left Holden went back to the Commonwealth govt and asked for double what was promised. Hockey said no. What was promised was enough.
And thankfully Hockey put an end to the endless threats from an industry that was too stupid to use the billions of dollars they were given to make a car that people wanted to buy.
What was promised was enough.
Obviously it wasn’t. If a grubmint won’t help out it’s industry (like it does for miners etc) then of course they will go where the Government will
And thankfully Hockey put an end to all of those potential home owners?
Some “context” for the millions the car Industry was requiring to keep trillions in investment going
blubbers”””If you `sacrifice` you might””’
#that`s another one of those bullshit terms tho too
#nowadays, many DO `sacrifice` and don`t get anywhere, it is as equally stupid as saying go get a `better` job, or telling the unemployed they are `bludgers` when there is no living-wage job to be had in their location
#teabag.talk
If a grubmint won’t help out it’s industry (like it does for miners etc) then of course they will go where the Government will
But they were helped out. Money was promised until 2020
http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx
The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.
But Holden wanted double what was promised after Ford left under Gillard. Hockey said no. And if Hockey did not say no and got what they wanted in five years time they would have come back and wanted even more.
tr”””All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies”””
#still trying to super-glue the auto-ashes back together l see
#team-cheerers should realize by now, that extorted govts around the world is not sustainable by those govts, instead of abdicating governing and paying the extortion, govts espousing free-trade, democracy, fairness and the slew of other catch-cries, should have used their `international` meet-ups to have `all` govts stand-up to auto-industry extortion.
#it is a totally ridiculous scenario paying extortion to auto to build unwanted product in Aust, and then `open` the doors to free-trade auto-dumping too. Both `teams`, state/s and federal have failed miserably on this aspect.
Money was promised until 2020
There lots of promises broken, and that was to enterprises the grubmint hadn’t just told to get fucked.
To all of those Holden and Toyota workers, hockey told them to get fucked, then he rubbed salt in their wounds, and told them to get a high paying job.
Dont you hate it when a friend cancels lunch just because they ran up the back of a car ?
Not a Maserati!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/hockey-made-one-blunder-telling-struggling-home-buyers-the-market-was-affordable/story-fn5tas5k-1227391579296
I think Farr nails it …
should have used
shoulda coulda woulda
With every other nation protecting their interests and doing what they can block out others, what hope for anything here when our grubmint is signing “free trade” deals that do nothing to protect our workers, and just make it easier for cheaper (read lower quality) shit to be imported. Think back not so long ago to frozen berries, and the requirements on production overseas compared with here.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-09/man-held-in-immigration-detention-claims-he-is-indigenous/6531112
Now I don’t have access to the Imm. Dept data but I did hear this bloke talking on radio yesterday … sounds more like an aboriginal than an Fijian to me … (strong Koori accent IMO) …
This struck me as an odd statement too – from a “foreign national” …
The fraud he is referring to is a passport arranged by the – South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council …
Fairly typical for Liberal governments … detaining and deporting the wrong people …
“………presiding over the lowest level of wages growth outside the GFC ”
Conveniently forgetting to include the Public Sector.
Barracking for the Team Bernard
So why promote Triggs and disparage a cop on the basis of their qualifications?
Because the cop is trying to disparage the Professor because ………. haterz gonna hate
tr”””shoulda coulda woulda”””
#fascinating team-cheerer, even tho all your bleating on the auto topic translates to `govt-shoulda-paid-the-extortion`
#and fyi, l don`t need to be reminded of #hep-berries or other law-dodging inflicted on the public from free-trade dumping, l`ve experienced it directly myself
Conveniently forgetting to include the Public Sector.,/i>
Good point Wally.
One would assume that would make it worst given whats been in the news recently about negotiations there.
ovt-shoulda-paid-the-extortion
So, keeping Australian jobs is “extortion”? 😯
l`ve experienced it directly myself
And appeared to have learnt ………….. nothing.
There lots of promises broken, and that was to enterprises the grubmint hadn’t just told to get fucked.
What promises were broken??
Actually Holden workers deserved what they got. They were given billions of dollars of taxpayers money promised until 2020 and ended up making cars nobody wanted to buy.
It was you TomR who destroyed our car manufacturing industry.
What promises were broken??
Really ROFL http://www.abbottslies.com.au/
It was you TomR who destroyed our car manufacturing industry.
Granted, I wasn’t the Greatest Toolmaker ever, but I wasn’t THAT bad 🙂
Meanwhile, my work with kenny is done. He complains (constantly) about the ABC not telling stories he wants to hear, but doesn’t like hearing stories he doesn’t like. Especially when they show he continues to lie.
“Good point Wally.”
Private Sector growth is obviously lower due to Union membership deals like the one exposed at the RC.
Granted, I wasn’t the Greatest Toolmaker ever, but I wasn’t THAT bad
Yep it was you and the ALP who destroyed our car industry. Subsidies with no accountability do not work. In 2007, 25% of cars were made in Australia. After 6 years of Rudd/Gillard only 10% of cars were made in Australia. You cannot have a local manufacturing industry in anything with 10% of the market.
l would suggest that cheering mindlessly for `teams` that have sold us all out, and want to keep repeating known failures, are those that have managed to `learn-nothing` #oh-team-cheerer-my-team-cheerer
that have sold us all out
says the guy running interference for tobacco killers
repeating known failures
Building world best cars is a “failure”?
Building world best cars is a “failure”?
How come nobody wanted to buy them?
LOL………..seems the CSIRO is finally seeing some sense…..
“…………Stefan Hajkowicz, the principal scientist working on strategy and foresight at the CSIRO, has written a book Global Megatrends: Seven Patterns of Change Shaping Our Future identifying trends that have the potential to disrupt society as we know it……….”
“The world doesn’t have a problem of food scarcity. But it does have problem about food distribution.The good news is that the world does have vast energy resources. A recent study found the total non-renewable energy resources (coal, uranium, natural gas and oil combined) will last the world another 574 years.”
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/the-seven-global-megatrends-that-could-change-our-future/story-fnu2pycd-1227391726908
How come nobody wanted to buy them?
Cheap imports?