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‘Budget Bounce’ over for the LNP as ALP regain momentum with Shorten’s call for Same-sex marriage

June 1, 2015

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Support for the Federal Govt has slumped 2% to 47% while support for Labor has climbed 2% to 53% according to this week’s Morgan Poll.

The poll was conducted over the last two weekends of May 23/24 & 30/31, 2015, with an Australia-wide cross-section of 3,140 Australian electors.

If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win easily.

Primary support for the LNP fell to 41% (down 0.5%) ahead of the ALP 37% (up 1.5%).

Support for the other parties shows the Greens at 13% (up 0.5%), Katter’s Australian Party 1.5% (unchanged), Palmer United Party (PUP) 1% (down 0.5%), while the Independents/Others were 6.5% (down 1%).

The ‘Budget Bounce’ for the Coalition Government has proved short-lived with the regaining a clear advantage over the LNP on a two-party preferred basis after Opposition Leader Bill Shorten promised to introduce a private member’s bill to Parliament to allow for a redefinition of marriage under Australian law.

Bill Shorten has seized on the groundswell of public support for marriage equality following the results of the Irish referendum last week in which Irish electors decided by a clear margin (Yes 62%,   No 38%) to change the Irish definition of marriage to include same-sex relationships.

A Roy Morgan poll conducted in 2011 found an even larger majority of Australians (68%) support the right of gay people to get married compared to only 30% who think they shouldn’t have this right.

In addition, other Roy Morgan research shows an increasing majority of Australians believe homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children. In 2010 just under half of Australians (48%) agreed homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children and this figure has increased steadily each year since – to 51% in 2011, 56% in 2012, 58% in 2013 and 61% in 2014.

There have already been several attempts to legislate for same-sex marriage in Australia, including an attempt by the Australian Capital Territory to change the definition of marriage in the ACT which was ultimately reversed by the High Court on constitutional grounds following a challenge by the Federal Government which wanted to prevent a multitude of definitions of marriage being introduced in Australia.

Although Shorten introduced his same-sex marriage bill to the Lower House of Parliament today, less than half the chamber was in attendance with only a handful of Government MPs there to witness Shorten introducing his bill.

Shorten’s private member’s bill is the third same-sex marriage bill before Parliament along with similar bills by Liberal Democrat Senator David Leyonhjelm and a Greens bill also before the Senate.

There are now more same-sex marriage bills before Parliament than there are women frontbench MPs serving in the Abbott government.

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322 Comments leave one →
  1. June 1, 2015 5:40 pm

    The wider public is (generally) awake towards how AbbottCorp would seek to address ‘Budget Imbalances’, after last year’s thinly veiled ideological knife to the throat.

    The ‘bounce’ was only ever gonna be temporary, as we all wait to see the fine print & the spin & deception unravel. Stupid fuckers got found out in 2014, large scale!

    Only tremendous hyperbolic fearsquirting campaigns, coupled with actual (tragic) fortuitous nutjob attacks, will propel AbbottCorp into any sort of measurable lead now. No doubt, they’ll keep grinding that axe.

    Playing ‘The Budget Is More Urgent Than Same Sex Marriage’ is just a neutered Boltism too, given that they couldn’t even implement last year’s budget.

    They exposed their ideological underbelly too blatantly at the first chance…and mistook their actual political capital levels.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2015 5:57 pm

    A Roy Morgan poll conducted in 2011 found an even larger majority of Australians (68%) support the right of gay people to get married compared to only 30% who think they shouldn’t have this right.

    And I agree with, Wally, on this just do it … I’m assuming Wally is included in the 68% of course …

    I’m looking forward to the next poll, after people see the lack of support by the government … ignore over 60% polls at your peril, I say!

  3. June 1, 2015 6:45 pm

    They are ‘protecting’ their base vote, TB. Too bad a majority of us don’t encompass their base.

    They’ve made this mistake since they took government.

    Dumd, leaden, conservative cunts.

  4. June 1, 2015 6:47 pm
  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2015 7:56 pm

    Australians are insane.

    In 2007
    unemployment = 4.3%
    govt debt = zero
    kids in detention = zero
    asylum seekers in detention = 4

    In 2013 after 6 years of ALP rule
    unemployment = 5.8%
    govt debt = 10% of GDP and increasing rapidly
    kids in detention = thousands
    asylum seekers in detention = thousands

    And the ALP has no solutions to our increasing debt because they do not believe it is a problem.

  6. June 1, 2015 7:59 pm

    Neil of Sydney is insane.

    Immune to critical thinking.

    Locked in a perpetual cycle of dumb blame-the-other…

  7. June 1, 2015 8:00 pm

    How about, In 2015 after many months of Coalition rule?

    hnnnnghhh…durrrrrrr

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2015 8:01 pm

    The facts are if the ALP gets back in, unemployment will go up and debt will explode.

  9. June 1, 2015 8:05 pm

    How’s the budget deficit tracking under the Libs Neil?

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2015 8:11 pm

    Well not so great but it would be worse under Labor. The budget deficit will take 5-10 years to fix.

  11. June 1, 2015 8:14 pm

    “not so great”

    It’s quadrupled under the Libs Neil.

    What should they do to fix it?

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2015 8:22 pm

    Are you talking about the budget deficit or the National debt?

    I guess you are talking about the national debt and i find it hard to believe it has quadrupled. In fact we will not know the final outcome of Hockeys first budget until September this year. The result for the May budget is not announced until September the following year.

  13. June 1, 2015 8:26 pm

    The facts will be decided whence they are eventually arrived upon. You are imagining facts over and beyond the event horizon, my good Kneel!

  14. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 7:51 am

    The facts will be decided whence they are eventually arrived upon

    Here’s some facts for brekky 😉

    Compared to the average level of spending in the last three full years of the previous Labor Government, the policies of the Abbott Government have spending around 1.4 percent of GDP higher. In today’s dollar terms that difference is more than $20 billion in extra spending every year.

    http://adelaidereview.com.au/opinion/business-finance-opinion/budget-2015-the-abbott-governments-spending-explosion/#.VWwn9lK4u68.twitter

    And those fucken lefties are at it again.

  15. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 7:55 am

    And it appears yabot took quite a lot from the GFC. Or not.

    Self centered fuckwit

  16. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 8:32 am

    More evidence that the NATSEM modelling is correct and that this budget hits the poorer hard. And that hockey and yabot were outright lying in qt over their statements.

    Senior academics have supported budget analysis that shows poorer families will be worse off because of family tax benefit changes

    …….

    In its modelling, Natsem found families with incomes of up to $47,000 with children will lose 7.1% of total disposable income by 2018-19 while the most well off families, with incomes of $119,000 and over, will be slightly ahead.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/abbott-accused-of-shooting-messenger-in-criticism-of-natsem-budget-modelling?CMP=share_btn_tw

  17. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 9:01 am

    Yea, but who cares, Roxons a Nanny!

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2015 9:49 am

    A SECOND independent analysis of the federal budget shows many households with children will lose disposable income.

    THE Australian National University analysis, which adopted “conservative assumptions”, found that changes to family tax benefits are unlikely to be offset by what the government says are second-round positive impacts, such as its childcare package and increased employment prospects.
    “The government should be upfront with the public about exactly what is in the budget sausage,” Crawford School of Public Policy academics Peter Whiteford and Daniel Nethery said on Tuesday, adding the budget papers should have detailed the impact on families, as had been done in the past.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/families-losers-in-budget-anu-analysis/story-e6frfku9-1227379114609

    Negative Gearing

    Trust Funds

    Pollie Perqs

    Multinational Tax

    Superannuation Abuse

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 10:40 am

    This makes me laugh/mad TB

    “The government should be upfront with the public about exactly what is in the budget sausage,”

    Why should they, when the(ir) media won’t?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2015 10:42 am

    Self centered fuckwit

    Yep, I hope housing prices dip a little, then show nil growth for a decade. Anyone hoping for continuing increases is a dill.

    How does Abbott expect his kids to afford a house? With the (apparent) size of his mortgage, he’s not going to be in a position to offer much help.

  21. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 11:02 am

    Yep, I hope housing prices dip a little, then show nil growth for a decade.

    This is way I recall it happening previously, before this century anyway.

  22. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 11:13 am

    More lies and bullshit from the grubmint intent on sending all manufacturing offshore

    Defence secretary Dennis Richardson tells Senate committee he was ‘not aware of advice being sought in writing’ before Coalition announced its tender process

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/01/government-sought-no-written-advice-from-department-before-submarine-decision

  23. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2015 1:47 pm

    Wow, how much longer will we continue to be the worlds worst pirates? Even the country hockey shed crocodile tears over has vowed to stop the practice.

    Indonesian police say a boat carrying 65 asylum seekers has crashed onto a reef after being turned back by Australian authorities.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-02/asylum-seeker-boat-crashes-onto-reef-after-being-turned-back/6513520

  24. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 7:44 am

    I see yabot is continuing in his qt tradition of both not answering questions, and replacing an answer with a lie. Of course, the speaker thinks this is all fine.

    Tony Abbott has brushed off the Treasury secretary’s comments about a housing bubble in Sydney by instead accusing Bill Shorten of wanting house prices to go down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/tony-abbott-accuses-bill-shorten-of-wanting-house-prices-to-fall

    I think (and have for a long time) that a continual rise in property values is unsustainable, and the we need a period of flattish prices over the longer term. Else, the re-alignment will be severe.

    He is a fool to ignore the Treasury here, and must think us fools if he wants us to believe that that is what Shorten is saying.

    But, howie played the same trick, and people followed along with him. Then the GFC arrived….

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 8:14 am

    “Open” grubmint?

    Tony Abbott had some detailed advice for his MPs and senators at Tuesday’s party room meeting about their interactions with journalists.

    First, he said, they should talk about all the good things the government had done so far. When they finished, they should remind the journalist how bad Bill Shorten was. Then they should end the conversation.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/17/tony-abbott-tells-party-room-its-time-to-look-on-the-bright-side-of-life

    Hows that working out fer ya yabot? 🙂

  26. June 3, 2015 8:58 am

    Team-cheerer, you just made a halfwit out of ya`self, at a level normally reserved for teabags. Last week sbs or my abc did a small report on smuggled goods, baccy included. Fun-Fact Thailand and China, cost of pack of smokes is less than $1.50, sell in Aust for `around` $20.

    (and my baccy argument has never been the health/science aspect, no matter how much tap-dancing team nanny roxon does)

  27. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:17 am

    Fun-Fact

    What was the “fact” dopey, that baccy’s cheap somewhere? No link I see, no idea what you’re meant to be claiming here? Did it mention smoking rates? Number of deaths?

    and my baccy argument has never been the health/science aspect

    No, you argument has been …………….. fuck only knows.

    It is ALL about the health aspects, end of story, and what Roxon has done is another step towards banishing this poison from our culture forever. She should be congratulated but, for some unknown reason (ok, it’s cos she’s on a “team”) you flail against it.

    Now other countries are following our lead. They see the sense, you just see the dreaded “team”, which you claim has “”micro-details of difference”, even though my last few posts just here defy that assertion with actual facts and supporting links.

  28. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:18 am

    Superannuation tax breaks for multi-millionaires need to be reined in, says the super industry’s peak body.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/06/01/super-industry-calls-review-tax-breaks/

    I wonder if they mean in the way Labor did in the last Parliament, which hockey promptly undid, and then cried about revenue.

    Just another ”micro-detail of difference” I guess 😯

  29. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:21 am

    Minister for Aborigine
    Minister for Women

    Continuing in that long line of irony

  30. June 3, 2015 9:28 am

    “”No, you argument has been …………….. fuck only knows.””

    LOL… 🙂

  31. June 3, 2015 9:30 am

    “”The silent majority of Australians will reject moves to introduce same-sex marriage””

    Yes, the peculiar thing about the self-professed “silent majority” is that they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.

  32. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:31 am

    Lenore Taylor sees the problem, but cannot find the source. And this just days after Labor spat the dummy with the speaker???

    It’s astonishing how little policy debate is able to penetrate the chamber of slogans.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/02/bubbles-and-squeaks-over-housing-market-in-tony-abbotts-chamber-of-slogans

    Here’s a hint, when someones asked a question, they can at least pretend to answer it, instead of ignoring it, and then making shit up about hte question in the first place.

    Isn’t there supposed to be someone in Parliament to keep an eye on all those things?

  33. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:33 am

    they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.

    One can only hope they aren’t silent come next election.

    The biggest problem for Labor is, many who did vote for them, now want wunderland. So we end up with chunderland.

  34. June 3, 2015 9:36 am
  35. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:40 am

    More lies, backflips, and ”micro-details of difference”

    The Abbott government will spend up to $112 million to close the 61 Medicare Locals established by the former Labor government.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/medicare-locals-closure-to-cost-112-million-20150601-ghecei.html

  36. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 9:41 am

    Blatter announces his successor.

    Unbelievable that it has come to this reb. How they got away with it for so long is the real question imo.

  37. June 3, 2015 10:14 am

    20.00-1.50=18.50 #great.margin #team.nanny.roxon

  38. June 3, 2015 10:32 am

    In””””””’a separate move, China’s ministry of finance recently announced a tax increase on the wholesale price of tobacco.

    The move will affect the retail price for the first time.

    However, the Beijing government faces considerable scepticism over the enforcement of the new law because previous efforts have been widely ignored.

    The new price of a pack of cigarettes is unlikely to be a deterrent, as prices for one of the cheapest brands will rise by only 50 cents to 5.50 RMB or around $1.10.””””””””’

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-19/beijing-to-introduce-tough-anti-smoking-law/6479254

    #team.nanny.roxon

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2015 10:45 am

    How does Abbott expect his kids to afford a house? With the (apparent) size of his mortgage, he’s not going to be in a position to offer much help.

    How come he’s still got a fkn mortgage anyway? Oh, that’s right … if you can’t handle your own budget how can you fiddle properly with a nation’s … explains quite a lot, actually …

    I think (and have for a long time) that a continual rise in property values is unsustainable, and the we need a period of flattish prices over the longer term. Else, the re-alignment will be severe.

    The “real” issue is that people see houses as assets not homes … all this crap about increased value is worthless … if you sell your home then you have to buy into the SAME market for another …

    It is investments and negative gearing (that encourages investment) that is destroying the industry and Australian society in general …

    Our whole world is now aimed at making money as quickly and cheaply as possible – the less effort the better and if someone gets in the way just grease the palm of a local pollie … no-one seems to “live” anymore or expect to “work” for a living … or share in our nation’s development …

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2015 10:49 am

    Yes, the peculiar thing about the self-professed “silent majority” is that they’re seldom silent and rarely a majority.

    And the silly woman obviously doesn’t understand how the “polls” work … she’s expecting the Libs to wing by a landslide next election too, I guess …

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2015 10:52 am

    What is your point TB?

  42. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:08 am

    How come he’s still got a fkn mortgage anyway?

    That’s really the question isn’t it TB

    Especially with the amount of extra cash he’s fleeced off the taxpayers throughout his “career”

    Newsflash for teamstupid

    ciggies have cost a fucken lot more than other countries for decades. Not sure what this has to do with plain packaging? Probably nothing if yer history is an indicator

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:15 am

    TomR

    What has your comments got to do with the thousands of lives you have destroyed?

    How many people in UNHCR camps are still in those camps because you voted for Rudd??

    In 2007 we made 25% of cars in Australia. In 2013 we made 10%.

    Kids in detention in 2007 = zero

    Asylum seekers in detention in 2007 = 4.

    Other than destroying the lives of people why do you exist??

  44. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:21 am

    The Coalition government risks making Australia’s $2 trillion superannuation system more vulnerable by refusing to reform the regime, the chairman of the financial system inquiry warned.

    http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/superannuation-and-smsfs/coalition-inaction-on-superannuation-makes-system-more-vulnerable-says-david-murray-20150602-ghf9nl?stb=twt

    And in reply to nil about “destroying lives”, all I can say to you is “nope nope nope”

    You fucken well OWN that!

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:24 am

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:30 am

    Yes what a comment for all the people in UNHCR camps whose lives YOU have destroyed.

  47. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:33 am

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Yea reb, WAKE UP! (I’m stuck in moderation again 😦 )

  48. armchair opionator permalink
    June 3, 2015 11:46 am

  49. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2015 12:20 pm

    “”This is way I recall it happening previously, before this century anyway.””

    Yeah but you happen to live in a dead beat state where no one outside wants to live.

  50. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:04 pm

    Yeah but you happen to live in a dead beat state where no one outside wants to live.

    So Sydney has been in a perpetual state of rapid house price rises?

    http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/forward-planning/investment-strategy/market-trends/22658-ytc-monday-may-13-feature-soos.html

  51. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:15 pm

  52. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:15 pm

  53. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:21 pm

    “Tobacco consumption down 17.5% since plain packaging laws too effect ”

    So if it’s taken 3 fucking years for smokers to notice the new packaging then clearly its having little effect.

    Try rising prices and illegal tobacco as the causes

  54. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:25 pm

    Try rising prices and illegal tobacco as the causes

    They tried that. The data pointed to something else

    What could it be I wonders?…… 🙂

  55. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2015 1:26 pm

    ROFL

    Looks like the libs got pwnd and all their bullshit cries about “we must act NOW()” exposed for the cheap political stunt it was, all by a cheap political stunt.

    ROFL

    Labor has ambushed the Coalition in Parliament, which has resulted in the government voting against its own key budget measures that it has been calling on the opposition to pass as a matter of urgency.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-ambush-sees-government-vote-down-its-own-small-business-budget-measure-20150603-ghfip5.html

  56. June 3, 2015 1:50 pm

    “”Labor has ambushed the Coalition in Parliament””

    Good too see that whole “”good government” and “”adults in charge”” is working out well…

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2015 2:30 pm

    “What we saw from the opposition this morning was yet another childish stunt from the Labor Party, an attempt by the Labor Party to deny 11 Labor members and 31 Coalition members the right to speak on this bill and ensure that they were able to demonstrate their support for the small businesses of Australia,” Mr Abbott said.

    “Madam Speaker, this bill will, in the ordinary course of events, pass this House either later today or tomorrow.”

    How much do we pay these twerps! Get on with FFS!

    These pricks would go broke in a month if they actually ran a small business or any business … oh wait!

    Can I resign from Australia Ltd?

    Very fkn limited at the moment … we’re obviously closed for business …

  58. June 5, 2015 12:48 am

    `Tobacco consumption down 17.5% since plain packaging laws too effect`

    Tobacco WHITE MARKET SALES down 17.5% since MILITARY GRADE packaging laws too effect SAYS ABS, (who don`t believe own un/employment numbers) and re-echoed by kouk, all of which, don`t acknowledge customs only search 1% of shipping containers, customs admit they only intercept single-digit percentage(1%,2%,3%,etc) of `all-types` of contraband, and there isn`t any attempt to calculate size of black market. #ficks.det.four.ya

    #but.don`t.let.inconvenient.facts.dampen.mindless.team.cheering:-}

    #go.team.nanny.roxon

  59. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 8:32 am

    who don`t believe own un/employment numbers

    Have they said the same about the consumption data, which is determined from industry figures?

    and there isn`t any attempt to calculate size of black market.

    Maybe they shouldn’t do it in the dark 😆

    But then you say ……….

    don`t.let.inconvenient.facts.

    Heads up teamdopey, a lack of information isn’t facts. It’s really kind of the opposite.

    #justsayin 😉

    So, to “some” it up, the “facts” we do have, you don’t believe (after teamcheering for the tobacco industries immediately dis-proven set of numbers I’ll add). And to support your argument, you then tell us we don’t know, so it must be……..

    Reading your drivel works better than a Bloody Mary first thing in the morning lol

    #go.team.hair.of.the.dog

  60. Gunshhhmoke permalink
    June 5, 2015 9:13 am

    #go.team.hair.of.the.dog

    ‘I smoke a thousand cigarettes a day’: Johnny Depp

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 9:46 am

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2015 10:05 am

    I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?

    Just sayin’

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:00 am

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:20 am

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:40 am

  66. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:41 am

    Here’s @JoeHockey on #thedrum saying anyone who talks down the economy, the way he did for years, is a fool & a clown

    I guess it’s refreshing that he has confirmed for us all just what he thinks of himself though 🙂

    I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?

    Yep, and Labors cowtailing to it all is depressing as fuck!

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:42 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/deaths-of-bali-duo-linked-to-boats-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1227383785324

    …The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indon­esia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats…

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:49 am

    Tony Abbott’s rhetoric is causing unease among voters who want stability:
    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/tony-abbotts-rhetoric-is-causing-unease-among-voters-who-want-stability-20150604-ghgqpi?stb=twt

    …No one can think of a funny retort to Tony Abbott, possibly because they are having enough trouble coming to terms with the unhinged nature of the rhetoric in which our Prime Minister now engages.

    The business community and financial markets are deeply, deeply uneasy about Abbott’s rhetoric, but even more about his attempts to not just shut down the possibility of policy change in the current term but the next one.

    Abbott is taking a wild punt on a message that would be coming out of the Coalition’s focus groups. That is, whatever voters think of him, the thing they crave more than anything else is stability and certainty…

    …The Prime Minister is desperate to shut down any possible area of Labor attack. Yet all he is currently achieving is open warfare within his own ranks on a range of contentious issues from national security to gay marriage, and policy chaos in the pronouncements of his ministers. He is actually fomenting division between his cabinet and the party room on national security…

    …Unfortunately, Tony Abbott seems to have perfected the art of looking ridiculous whether or not he is doing U-turns or not…

  69. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 12:19 pm

    I can’t help thinking someone is gearing up for a war?

    from the oz link above

    “If an Australian military aircraft arrives as planned, China should use Russia as an example and take bold action and send our military aircraft to drive it away,” Mr Zeng wrote in the editorial. “If this does not work we should just shoot it down.”

    The comments, which are the most hawkish yet in the escalating dispute, came after suggestions in the Australian media that Canberra was considering sending aircraft or ships to region.

    They WANT to be SHIRTFRONTED by yabot.

    After all, everyone loves a cuddly koala 😉

  70. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 12:38 pm

    PM Tony Abbott: I believe Sarah Hanson-Young was in fact being looked after while she was on #Nauru

    What a wonderful man. And people STILL dispute this fuckwit is a misogynist. jesus, he’s a fucken misogynist in the ancient meaning of the term as far as I can see.

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 12:43 pm

  72. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 12:51 pm

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has dismissed evidence the nation’s living standards are falling – even as fresh data showed the biggest trade deficit on record.

    Perhaps he meant “clowns” living standards weren’t falling 😉

  73. Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:07 pm

    …The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indon­esia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats…””

    Yeah…………the Left are funny like that.

    Because of the Boat Policy there are no more boats and no more Trophy Deaths at Sea for them to celebrate .

    So the Left’s solution is to reach”out for another distant Trophy Death(s) to hold up with joy pointing at a couple of executions they say caused by our Boat Policy. Of course the fact that a number of other foreigners were executed as well is best forgotten

    Yep if the Left cant have Trophy Deaths at Sea they’ll settle for distant Land Based ones.

  74. Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:07 pm

    “”@sarahinthesen8 was allegedly given the codename ‘Raven’..””

    Stark Raving Mad !

  75. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:09 pm

    So, you don’t think that us forcing back boats, which Indonesia specifically said don’t do, which then forced them into doing the same (which they then worked out that they aren’t that sub human enough to continue doing) would have any consequences?

    If Alice is lonely, you can always keep her company down that rabbit hole lol

  76. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:10 pm

    Stark Raving Mad !

    Quoth the Raven

  77. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:10 pm

    FINALLY!

    http://www.readthetpp.com/

  78. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:11 pm

    Free Riders r Us

    Australia, with one of the world’s highest per capita emissions, “has gone from leadership to free-rider status in climate diplomacy”, it said.

    The country was on course for emissions to rise 12-18 per cent above 2000 levels after scrapping the carbon price in 2014, compared with the promise of a 5 per cent reduction by decade’s end.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-singled-out-as-a-climate-change-freerider-by-international-panel-20150604-ghgbde?

  79. Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:32 pm

    “..which Indonesia specifically said don’t do, which then forced them into doing the same ………….. would have any consequences?”

    There was no discrimination because of it. They killed other foreigners as well plus those foreigners in January.

    Next batch might even contain a Pommy female.

    There is no nexus.

    If anything really proved to them Australia was not to be trusted it was your bunch spying on the previous President and his wife.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:33 pm

    “The head of Australia’s human rights watchdog has linked Indon­esia’s refusal to negotiate on the death penalty for executed Bali drug-smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats”

    Indeed. We already know that that this deeply stupid and highly politicised ratbag is quite prepared to trash the reputation and standing of the Human Rights Commission for a cheap political shot. She is truly as dumb as dogshit. Certainly reading her pronouncements is like eating same.

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:43 pm

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:48 pm

    As long as the IPA loses their charitable status, australia’s version of ALEC is completely ideological, and ridiculously, funded by taxpayers.

  83. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:51 pm

    They killed other foreigners as well plus those foreigners in January.

    Except the French one of course 😉

    When will the ALP find a fucking backbone and challenge the Fascist LNP state we are fast becoming?

    I AGREE!

    Don’t they realise that, even when in power, this will be used back against them?

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2015 1:52 pm

    Religious rather than ideological.

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 2:01 pm

    With friends like abbott …

    Abbott Response ‘Creepy’ As More Evidence Emerges Nauru Contractors Spied on Sarah Hanson-Young:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/05/abbott-response-%E2%80%98creepy%E2%80%99-more-evidence-emerges-nauru-contractors-spied-sarah-hanson-young#sthash.NkNWCuux.dpuf

    ….Speaking at a press conference in Sydney, Hanson-Young said she had now been contacted by an employee of another contractor working on the island, backing the allegations in the submission.

    “This wasn’t just some rogue group in Wilson security. Staff members of other service providers were told I would be watched,” she said.

    “The fact I’ve been contacted by staff of another contractor, a different company on the island, who were briefed here in Sydney that I would be monitored… indicates this was much broader than just the Emergency Response Team inside Wilson security.

    “The government and the Immigration Department now have to be absolutely up front here. Did they know about this?…

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 2:07 pm

    Bursting The Coalition’s Economic Bubble:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/04/bursting-coalitions-economic-bubble

    It’s hard to know what’s more depressing: the gloomy prospects for our economy, or the fact that the current government seems utterly ill-equipped to deal with them.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2015 2:33 pm

    When will the ALP find a fucking backbone and challenge the Fascist LNP state we are fast becoming?

    If you are talking about the people in detention it should be mentioned that these people were all looked up by ALP/Greens.

    And that spying thing happened in December 2013 just after the Coalition was elected. It is highly unlikely in such a short time the Coalition had anything to do with this.

    This happened under Gillard published in March 2013

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    “The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands
    .

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 2:42 pm

    Yes. What a dreadful connection Triggs makes – refugee policy results in the Indonesian government shooting Australian citizens.

    Triggs really is duplicitous, does she have any evidence for this assertion. Unless she is capabe of showing some evidence, she should resign.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 2:43 pm

    If Hanson Young was near my workplace, I’d keep a very close eye on her, she is probably the politician most likely to misrepresent and exaggerate.

  90. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:04 pm

    Ah, here we go, just another attack on Triggs by the usual suspects I see.

    There is no transcript of the speech but Professor Triggs’ office told the ABC she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region and did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/dutton-accuses-triggs-linking-bali-nine-executions-border-policy/6524802

  91. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:08 pm

    This happened under Gillard published in March 2013

    How can that be nil. Triggs didn’t do ANYTHING when Labor were in power (so the story goes)

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:14 pm

    What a self serving lot of crap from Triggs. She relates Indonesia’s position on the death penalty to the policy on asylum seekers and then says this isn’t related to recent executions.

    Really Tom R – you fall for that?

  93. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:23 pm

    Really Tom R – you fall for that?

    Really yomm, you fall for this mob of proven liars over Triggs? Again?

    Fool me once ………… lol

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:30 pm

    How many other countries have had citizens executed in Indonesia, even without having Abbott as PM?

    Triggs should resign in shame.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:31 pm

    “Professor Triggs’ office told the ABC she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region”

    So Triggs relates the apparent unwillingness of Indonesia/the region to address the death penalty to asylum seeker policy.

    According to her this observation is somehow isolated from the recent shootings in Indonesia that caused the death penalty to be of concern.

    What a pathetic excuse, and Triggs’ credibility just suffers even more from the dishonesty of the excuse.

  96. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 3:43 pm

    According to her

    Do you have a transcript of the speech yomm? Before jumping on any bandwagons, just reflect on the accuracy or not of the commentators putting these words into her mouth, and their ulterior motives

  97. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 4:16 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    They knew what kind of a fuckwit he was back then lol

    Fuckin Abbott ROFL

  98. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 4:18 pm

    More ROFL

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2015 4:36 pm

    Hamid: A religion becomes an ideology when the followers of this religion cannot tolerate the existence of those who have different views or beliefs, and when they understand their religious text literally and refuse to accept any way of understanding the religion other than their own way of understanding.

    Sounds like ideology to me … is there a difference … really …

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2015 4:56 pm

    The government and the Immigration Department now have to be absolutely up front here. Did they know about this?…

    Totalitarian state just around the corner … I have never seen so much controlling behaviour by any government (correction … JBP came very close) …

  101. Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:09 pm

    “”Do you have a transcript of the speech yomm?””

    Oh………..has she denied she said it yet ?

    Nope……………Nope……………….Nope

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:17 pm

    Well, I’m only using the words Tom R quotes from Triggs’ office – ” she was talking about Australia’s efforts to abolish the death penalty in the region and did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions

    Fine, she doesn’t deny it.

    When a public servant uses the death of Australians for some political point scoring, it’s time they figured out how to get themselves a new career.

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:21 pm

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:24 pm

    The leaks! The lies! The whole nation is doing its nut! : First Dog on the Moon

    I’m angry! Seriously, what’s wrong with us? I’m absolutely ropable! I’m Alan Jones-level furious! Is anyone even running this country?

  105. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:31 pm

    did not draw a direct link with the Bali Nine executions

    Exactly, so, she denies it.

    Of course, you (and others) will go along with the accusations of proven liars.

    Your free choice I guess. Some people don’t seem to mind how often they are wrong as long as they get to slag their ideological opponents off along the way.

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:37 pm

    I have never seen so much controlling behaviour by any government (correction … JBP came very close)

    It was the ALP who wanted to Fincklestein us.

    And on second thought i would think it would be normal for a politician to be watched when they visit nauru just for security purposes. And it also means that Nauru was not off limits to politicians under the Coalition. Triggs was banned under the ALP.

  107. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 5:46 pm

    it would be normal for a politician to be watched when they visit nauru just for security purposes.

    If it was for security, then why would they keep it secret?

    Triggs was banned under the ALP.

    but…but…but… what happened to your months of “she’s a Labor stooge”

    ROFL

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2015 6:17 pm

    Nope……………Nope……………….Nope

    And I heard that, where? and in What context?

    Stupid is …

    Any1 else notice a pattern with this govt? When they want 2 distract us from something, they find a woman (today 2) & give her a kicking?

    I was about to say that the Triggs paper is conveniently a distraction leapt upon by Wally (and others) further up the thread …

    This government has bungfkled, backfknflipped, hypocrifkntised, deceived and lied so much I find it astounding that more than 10% of the population support them … just what’s in that Roman Catholic Church incense? And are there hidden messages in the hymns?

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 6:19 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/female-libido-drug-given-tick-of-approval/6523666

    I’m angry to read in news that the women’s libido pill has been approved by the FDA. Wonder how long before it is ‘necessary’ here. This ‘libido disorder’ has been manufactured by the drug company, they have been trying to make one for women ever since they started raking in sales for viagra.

    Not wanting to have sex whenever a man may want is not a libido problem, I just hate that women will be told that something is wrong with them and told to see a Dr to get what is an anti-depressant med because they are told they have a problem. Also concerned about women unknowingly being given this medication.

    …Flibanserin works differently from men’s erectile dysfunction drug Viagra — it targets the brain, while Viagra affects blood flow to the genitals.

    Dozens of women also spoke to the panel about the distress caused by their low sexual desire and urged the FDA to approve flibanserin, whose proposed trade name is Addyi.

    Critics characterised Sprout’s lobbying campaign as an attempt to bully the FDA into approving a drug with modest benefits and real safety concerns…

    Dozens of women, wow, that many!

    http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/when-difference-of-desire-is-sold-as-a-deficiency-20100605-xloe.html

    …Flibanserin began life as an antidepressant but wasn’t much chop. But during its trials some women reported sexual benefits. Boehringer looked further. It now claims that 50 per cent of women with low desire who take the pill for at least six months say their condition improved.

    This outcome compares favourably with results reported for Europe, where trials failed to show any statistically significant benefit for women taking Flibanserin compared with a placebo…

    …”The claim that one in 10 women have a chemical deficit in their brain that causes low desire is an absurd and shameful lie,” Moynihan told me. “The truth is that marketing is the foundation for these disorders. They use marketing to shore them up and make them appear more sold than they are.”…

  110. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 6:24 pm

    I was about to say that the Triggs paper

    Apparently it is is Triggs’ not Triggs 😉

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2015 6:27 pm

    This government has bungfkled, backfknflipped, hypocrifkntised, deceived and lied so much I find it astounding that more than 10% of the population support them

    And what caused that outburst?? Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 6:55 pm

    Speaking of sex!

    Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/petition-to-stop-controversial-pastor-coming-to-australian-hill/6525774

    …Hillsong Church is under pressure for inviting a disgraced American mega-church pastor who once likened women to “penis homes” to its annual conference…

    …In what was dubbed the “Testosterone Gospel”, he preached of a muscular, angry Jesus and told men to take responsibility and stop being “wusses”.

    He also told women to serve men.

    “Within the covenant of marriage, men are the head and women are the helpers,” he said.

    Ultimately, God created you and it is his penis. You are simply borrowing it for a while.

    But it was the more extreme of his remarks that upset some of his female parishioners, in particular when he referred to women as homes for a penis.

    “Ultimately, God created you and it is His penis. You are simply borrowing it for a while,” he said.

    “While His penis is on loan you must admit that it is sort of just hanging out there very lonely as if it needed a home, sort of like a man wandering the streets looking for a house to live in.

    “Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home.”

    He told women to keep themselves tidy, saying a “wife who lets herself go” might lead her husband to sexually sin.

    He also called America a “pussified nation”, with “men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers”…

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2015 7:00 pm

    And what caused that outburst?? Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??

    We’re not all so narrow minded and tunnel visioned as you, Kneel , nor do we wake up and look forward to the daily Young Liberal and Adult Liberal pigswill propaganda …

    My “outburst” is based on witnessing almost two years of incompetent government, cabinet and particularly shonky and very amateur fiddling with the economy of my country … this government would go broke running a kindergarten …

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 7:01 pm

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 7:01 pm

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2015 7:16 pm

    My “outburst” is based on witnessing almost two years of incompetent government, cabinet and particularly shonky and very amateur fiddling with the economy of my country

    You must be blind. You just described the Rudd/Gillard govt.

    But it beats me what makes news. Some strange story about Hanson-Young which has some bits deleted by the journalist. On second thoughts it makes sense that an Australian politician would be watched by security in a detention centre. I would want to be watched.

  117. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 7:53 pm

    Some strange story about Hanson-Young without all the facts being presented??

    That’s the problem nil. SHY had no facts about “her protection” presented to her. It’s just creepy

    We have no “facts” about Trigg’s’ ‘ ‘ speech, just accusations from proven liars.

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 8:14 pm

    Go hard with that nosy and noisy, sarah hansen-young too!

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 8:22 pm

    Why is it so outrageous that some people kept their eye on Hansen Young? Did they prevent her from doing what she wanted?

    If Andrew Bolt was conducting an inspection of Monash University, don’t you think the student union might keep their eye on what he was up to?

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 9:05 pm

    If Andrew Bolt was conducting an inspection of Monash University, don’t you think the student union might keep their eye on what he was up to?

    I’m pretty sure the bolter wouldn’t go anywhere near a house of learning!

    Is andrew bolt a senator with parliamentary privilege?

    Obviously the only terror that the australian govt is worried about is the terror of being embarrassed by the findings of their political opponents.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/greens-senator-sarah-hanson-young-nauru-spying-claims/6524430

    …Whistleblower and independent MP Andrew Wilkie said he was deeply troubled by the allegation and would refer it to the AFP to investigate the claim immediately.

    “To spy on a senator is obviously wrong on every level, including legally,” he said in a statement.

    Mr Wilkie said he also wanted to know if there had been any “official collusion”.

    He said if there was systemic misbehaviour within Wilson, then the company’s contract should be terminated and legal proceedings initiated against the ringleaders…

  121. June 5, 2015 9:19 pm

    consumption=white.market.sales+black.market.sales

    1.customs intercept data ignored

    2.as is customs search data

    3.ato valuation on intercepted baccy ignored

    (these links provided to you months ago, on this blog)

    Common sense should tell you that with all the other variables/numbers ignored (instead of being included) as the abs/kouk have done,

    the fall of `17.5% consumption` is bullshit

    #team.nanny.roxon #military.grade.packaging

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2015 9:55 pm

    Did they intercept her emails? Or tap her phone? Did they break into her accommodation and go through her stuff? Did they open her mail?

    Unless they did stuff like that, it really isn’t “spying”, it’s being nosey.

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2015 10:58 pm

    Talking Point: Tobacco gangs push black market:
    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/opinion/talking-point-tobacco-gangs-push-black-market/story-fnj4f64i-1227169434737

    Chris Argent is director of corporate affairs at tobacco company Philip Morris Limited.

    comments
    Prof Simon Chapman AO of Sydney
    POSTED AT 9:14 AM DECEMBER 31, 2014
    Anyone wanting to understand what a total self-serving crock this article is should read my book Removing the emperor’s clothes: tobacco plain packaging in Australia. It’s free here

    http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au//bitstream/2123/12257/7/9781743324295_Chapman_RemovingtheEmperorsClothes_FT.pdf

    check out ch. 7 [p. 157-180]
    Evaluating the impact of plain packaging

  124. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:00 pm

    Did they intercept her emails? Or tap her phone? Did they break into her accommodation and go through her stuff? Did they open her mail?

    Well, to be honest, we/she just don’t know. She had no idea she was being watched, so we don’t know what else WAS done.

    And, why is tapping a phone different from covertly watching (and listening in on) somebody?

    They are both invasions of privacy.

  125. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2015 11:13 pm

    lol, just read who the author of the article you linked to is ao (not the Professor)

    Chris Argent is director of corporate affairs at tobacco company Philip Morris Limited.

  126. June 5, 2015 11:49 pm

    ao”””This `libido disorder` has been manufactured by the drug company, they have been trying to make one for women ever since they started raking in sales for viagra.”””’

    #l saw this being peddled on one of the yank-tv shows weeks/month ago, it struck me as a big-pharma marketing-con at the time.

    +

    ao”””Not wanting to have sex whenever a man may want is not a libido problem,”””’

    #agree, (tho l think you injected your `feminista` here) is there any `real` libido problem women may have that `drug/s` may help (not-female, not-medical, so fcuking clueless)

    +

    ao””’I just hate that women will be told that something is wrong with them and told to see a Dr to get what is an anti-depressant med””””

    #utah, (home of mormons, with many wives,) is one-of/largest consumer of `anti-depressants`, and l think they `request` them off their quacks.

    #the consumerism attitude gives me the shits generally, telling the public the answer to life`s problems is inside box of pills, bottle of booze or on a shop shelf, is as bad as saying the answer is in a holy-sky-fairy book.

    +

    ao””’concerned about women unknowingly being given this”””

    #so likely to be over-counter and not prescription here armchair

  127. June 6, 2015 12:34 am

    armchair, your `themercury` is a regurgitation/update of the same clap-trap the oz was peddling last time, ie big-baccy spin. Which doesn`t help the team-cheerer identify abs-spin.

  128. June 6, 2015 12:54 am

    “Obviously the only terror that the australian govt is worried about is the terror of being embarrassed by the findings of their political opponents.”

    …or any insiders (doctors & nurses now, for fuck sake! if that don’t beat all) who might divulge factual appraisals which might paint detention centres as less than Club Med.

    It is becoming totalitarian…sadly the other lot, when they get back in, are unlikely to repeal any of these governmentally expeditious, cynicism enabling laws.

  129. June 6, 2015 12:55 am

    When there’s a siege going on, the besieged will be the last to know…

    That the race we’re running is a joke. And I’m a dropout.

  130. June 6, 2015 12:59 am

    Andrew Wilkie, well knows the price paid by whistleblowers.

    Personally, I believe that genuine whistleblowing is THE greatest act of loyalty a person can enact unto their fellow countrymen. No wonder it frightens our ‘leaders’ so much they seem in a mad scramble to strangle it & call it anathema at every available public opportunity.

    Says heaps.

  131. June 6, 2015 1:03 am

    Definitely no aroma of ‘Us & Them’ at work here…

    Move along, passes the smell test…

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/05/coalition-says-kidnap-risk-means-wealthy-need-tax-reporting-exemptions

    Unfuckingbelievable

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:02 am

    A 4-yr-old asylum seeker was struck by a guard on the back of her head in a blow that ‘lifted her off her feet'”

    AO how concerned were you when the ALP/Greens were locking up record numbers of people?? There were 4,000 incidents of self harm and 12 deaths under Rudd/Gillard. I do not recall too much being said until Abbott won govt.

    Most children that Labor locked up have now been released.

  133. June 6, 2015 8:29 am

    “”telling the public the answer to life`s problems is inside box of pills, bottle of booze or on a shop shelf, is as bad as saying the answer is in a holy-sky-fairy book.””

    Interesting point, however I’d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressents are not so much looking for the “answer to life’s problems” but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 9:07 am

    …Interesting point, however I’d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressants are not so much looking for the “answer to life’s problems” but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression…

    Yes reb, that is what the drug is made for, it’s an anti-depressive. It was noticed that some women reported a side effect of increased sex drive, then it became a wonder drug in search of a problem, but first they had to convince the regulators that such a problem exists for women. Looks like all their hard marketing finally has paid off.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 9:09 am

    I think my reply to you went straight to the spaminator reb, must have been because it had the s-e-x word in it.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 9:12 am

    Oh, now it is here!
    Wow, is my laptop really slow or something? I only just booted up so perhaps it is still half asleep.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 9:56 am

    This is one gutsy and resilient lady, I can’t think of anyone else in high office that has been prepared to speak out about the atrocities and abuses being carried out in our names.
    She stands head and shoulders above the rest, including all current MP’s, she will be crucified for it of course, but she has shown courage against an imposed fascism.
    Her role is as a protector of people who are powerless, she takes it very seriously. Shows more humanity than the lot of them.

    Do we even have a separation of powers in this country? Seems to me they all cower before ruthless government power.

    Human Rights Commission chief Gillian Triggs refuses to back down, criticises foreign fighter, data retention laws that ‘expand ministerial powers’:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-06/human-rights-chief-stands-firm-on-criticisms-of-new-laws/6526798

    …Instead she set her sights on laws which she says go too far, harming democracy and liberties.

    Professor Triggs told the forum a “growing threat to democracy” was the diminishing of human rights and expansion of “discretionary, often non-compellable ministerial powers”.

    “Respective governments have been remarkably successful in persuading parliaments to pass laws that are contrary, even explicitly contrary, to common law rights and to the international human rights regime to which Australia is a party,” she said.

    She said counter-terrorism laws were passed with unseemly haste and plans to strip citizenship from foreign fighters were an example of executive power which had gone too far.

    “This proposal strikes at the heart of Australia as a largely migrant country,” she said.

    “Not only may this idea violate Australia’s international obligation not to render a person stateless, but also the detention may be at the discretion of a minister without recourse to judicial processes.”

    Professor Triggs said “freedom of movement” was also threatened by the same act.

    The human rights chief also criticised data retention laws, a recent bill giving detention centre guards powers of enforcement and the indefinite detention of some asylum seekers.

    The speech was a far cry from what Mr Dutton had been demanding only hours earlier…

  138. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:02 am

  139. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:03 am

    This is one gutsy and resilient lady

    Yep. The bovver boy tactics from the grubmint and their media mates don’t look to phase her at all. They can make up any lie they like (and have), but that doesn’t seem to slow her at all. In fact, it might even be having the opposite effect.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/06/gillian-triggs-slams-scores-of-laws-threatening-fundamental-freedoms

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:05 am

    She stands head and shoulders above the rest, including all current MP’s, she will be crucified for it of course, but she has shown courage against an imposed fascism.

    I would have more respect for Triggs if she did what she is doing now when the ALP was in power. She just looks like a partisan deadbeat.

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:11 am

    Does anyone else find this disgusting? We’re currently having a RC into institutionalised child sexual abuse and this govt. has regulated to cover it up. What kind of compensation will be paid out down the track? What will this ‘stop the boats’ farce end up costing the taxpayers?

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:20 am

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 10:22 am

    She just looks like a partisan deadbeat.

    No, that’s how you look.

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 1:01 pm

    No, that’s how you look.

    The feeling is mutual

    kids in detention in 2007 = zero
    asylum seekers in detention = 4

    kids in detention in 2013 = thousands
    asylum seekers in detention in 2013 = thousands

    corrupt and immoral people lead to corrupt and immoral results

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 2:12 pm

    Unfuckingbelievable @ TR …

    So wankers couldn’t kidnap the CFO or CEO of public companies? FMD don’t these dopey pricks watch films …

    Must spend too much time praying and singing hymns … 😈

    Could you imagine a couple of thugs trying to kidnap Gina? Fkn hilarious! 😀

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 2:26 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/05/coalition-says-kidnap-risk-means-wealthy-need-tax-reporting-exemptions

    Let’s rephrase without the political spin.

    Coalition says wealthy should be exempt from reporting their tax because the public gets to know too much about their tax minimisation strategies and earnings, we don’t want them be victims of ‘class warfare’ due to a public backlash against corporate welfare.

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 2:33 pm

    Kathy Jackson fails to hand over work diaries, court documents claim:
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/kathy-jackson-fails-to-hand-over-work-diaries-court-documents-claim-20150605-ghhvsx.html

    …The HSU said it had become aware Ms Jackson kept detailed yearly work diaries, which recorded meetings and appointments on a daily basis and were relevant to her allegedly improper expenses.

    Ms Jackson’s lawyer, Philip Beazley, cited a recent alleged arson attempt on Ms Jackson’s home and ongoing mental health problems as reasons for her failure to comply with orders of the court.

    The statement also says Ms Jackson believes the claims against her amount to a “beat-up” that is lacking in any evidence.

    HSU barrister Mark Irving told the Federal Court that Ms Jackson had released more than 1500 documents in a “document dump” in recent days, including what he suspects are hundreds of critical items that should have been uncovered during the discovery phase. Work diaries were not included in the dossier.

    “She has engaged in a process of keeping secret thousands of documents,” Mr Irving said.

    The court heard that Ms Jackson remains in “serious default” of court orders and has been accused of abuse of process…

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 2:50 pm

    Peter Dutton over-reaches on Gillian Triggs and Sarah Hanson-Young:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peter-dutton-overreaches-on-gillian-triggs-and-sarah-hansonyoung-20150605-ghhxes.html

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 3:05 pm

    “She has engaged in a process of keeping secret thousands of documents,” Mr Irving said.

    The court heard that Ms Jackson remains in “serious default” of court orders and has been accused of abuse of process…

    Pleased to see the “best laid plans” come unravelled … she was no better (maybe worse) than Thompson … her strategy was to do exactly what he had done … fleece the HSU!

    … is “serious default” jargon for contempt of court? A jailable offence I believe …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 3:17 pm

    Peter Dutton … is a Dickhead of the First Order© … what makes his performances as a politician and in particular a “minister” is his inept understanding of issues any more complicated than ordering a Big Mac … ask him if he “wants fries with that” and he’d go to fkn jelly …

    In 2008, when new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd apologised to the Stolen Generations, Dutton was the only coalition front bencher to abstain.

    His lack of research is frightening – he was a fkn cop for nine years! His stupidity his overwhelming, his ministerial performance poorly steered – he certainly can’t drive himself … his presence and articulation underwhelming … just another bleating Acolyte who can’t find his way …

    The Mad Abbott should start issuing cow-bells to his ministers so he can find them – not that he stays on any straight and narrow himself … none of the pricks could read a compass … let alone spell it …

  151. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 3:32 pm

    Peter Dutton (and a swag of others) owe a big grovelling apology to Triggs now AO.

    Who’ll be first? yomm, wally, nil?

    .Had Immigration Minister Peter Dutton had his office make some cursory checks, it would have been established that Australian Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs did not link the deaths of Bali drug smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to the Abbott government’s policy of turning back the boats

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 3:49 pm

    Who’ll be first? yomm, wally, nil?

    Do you have a link to what she said?

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2015 4:10 pm

    Why the f**k would I apologies TB? Triggs is a disgrace, and she is being dishonest and her excuse/explanation is cowardly.

    Triggs said Indonesia was unresponsive to Australia re death penalty because of the government’s policy on asylum seekers

    The only reason for the current activity around the death penalty is because the Indonesian President decided to shoot some Australian citizens. Triggs is being pathetically disingenuous in saying that her comments were unrelated to these executions. Cowardly too.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 4:17 pm

    FINALLY!

    http://www.readthetpp.com/

    That would be so funny is it weren’t so fkn SERIOUS!

    Good find tho’, TR …

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 4:20 pm

    Why the f**k would I apologies TB?

    As Wally would say … FUCK OFF, ToM!

    Triggs is playing right into the hands of tories being led by the fkn nose … all its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 4:37 pm

    ll its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …

    Nasty and dishonest there TB.

    Nothing could be worse than the Rudd/Gillard govt

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 5:17 pm

    What about not requiring the wealthy to produce a tax report? Are some citizens more worthy than others?

    We know gina doesn’t like doing that and was very late with previous ones.

    Is there any real reason the wealthy should be allowed to have all their financial dealings in secret? I’m pretty sure she can well afford a serious security detail. It’s a wonder abbort & co. haven’t provided one for her from the taxpayers already!

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 5:29 pm

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2015 5:38 pm

    Trigg is a cowardly and partisan public servant.

    Even accepting her explanation – where is her evidence for even this assertion?

    There is none and therefore she will be legitimately called a bulls**t artist who just makes up duplicitous, contentious, partisan comments, and then backs away in the most cowardly manner.

  160. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:12 pm

    and she is being dishonest

    Really yomm, can show us how?

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:13 pm

    Why the f**k would I apologies TB?

    ToM, you are obviously on the sauce:

    ► I think you mean apologise …

    ► I DIDN’T ask you to apologise … TR did …

    ► Now I think I should have an apology

    🙂

  162. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:18 pm

    … all its actually doing is diverting from the foul smelling pile of shite we currently call a government …

    everything is a diversion for this mob. Don’t worry, even their diversions show them covered in shit. And, they can pretend the budget isn’t there, but, as time goes on, as with last years, the nasties come out. Reality will out in the end 😉

  163. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:20 pm

    I DIDN’T ask you to apologise … TR did …

    And I’m STILL asking any of these miserable acolytes to step up……… might have a drink whilst I wait 🙂

  164. June 6, 2015 6:27 pm

    reb””””Interesting point, however I`d suggest that many ppl who are prescribed anti-depressents are not so much looking for the `answer to life`s problems` but rather seeking help to address the debilitating symptoms of anxiety and depression.”””””’

    #l hear`ya reb, and somewhat agree. ln teh-usa `drugs` are directly advertised to consumers/the-public to `create` want or need, the `tag-line` at the end of these slick tv-adverts is usually something like `Ask-Your-Doctor`. l tend to agree with armchair more tho on the `wonder-drug in search of a problem`/market aspect.

  165. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:39 pm

    `Ask-Your-Doctor`

    And he will supply 😉

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2015 6:40 pm

    Thanks TB, I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.

    And apologies apologise – apologies!

  167. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:04 pm

    I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.

    Saturday has a clock?

  168. June 6, 2015 7:05 pm

    They just peddled the `girls-viagra`shit on sbs world news, l wonder if it was an industry prepared(canned) report package. Smells like it is.

  169. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:08 pm

    #IDrinkWithGillianTriggs

  170. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:09 pm

    #IDrinkWithGillianTriggs

  171. June 6, 2015 7:14 pm

    tr””’And he will supply””’

    #yep team-cheerer, quack shopping (a`la michael jackson) is quite the rage in teh-usa, `free-market-rules` is a wonderful thing:-)

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:23 pm

    Kathy Jackson fails to hand over work diaries, court documents claim:

    Looks like all the leaders of the HSU were corrupt. Just shows what power does to people.

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:30 pm

    #IDrinkWithGillianTriggs

    Not me. I think you will find there were 2,000 kids locked up under Labor and now most have been released. And the time in detention is a lie. There are lies damned lies and statistics.

    Under Labor there were hundreds of kids being detained. This stopped under the Coalition. As soon as you stop adding people to detention the average time in detention INCREASES. If 5,000 kids were locked up tomorrow the average time in detention for all the kids would fall dramatically.

    Triggs is a pathological liar. Gee i wonder who she votes for.

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:47 pm

    tim ‘freedom’ wilson has rather sulkily reminded us that he previously wrote a piece for the oz on government legislating over rights. He didn’t stuck up for triggs though, nor did he even mention the issue. Appears to have no intention of criticising this government…ever.
    Guess who will be handed the job if and when triggs is forced out?

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 7:48 pm

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:05 pm

    He didn’t stuck up for triggs though

    Triggs is a partisan scumbag who did nothing about the 2,000 kids ALP/Greens had locked up when she had the power to do so.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:19 pm

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:20 pm

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:46 pm

    Abbott govt demonises the HR Chief

    Triggs is a demon. triggs should have had an inquiry when labor/Greens had locked up more than 2,000 kids. But Triggs waited until after Abbott was elected.

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:52 pm

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2015 8:56 pm

    Quoting Dr Nigel Stobbs – “It’s a statement of an objective and important fact.

    If it is a fact, it can be proven. So prove it.

  182. June 6, 2015 10:33 pm

    boo of melbourne”””Quoting Dr Nigel Stobbs”””

    #2319 .. it`s stobbs tweet .. but it is the zombie dutton`s quote

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 8:46 am

    Thanks TB, I’m not on the sauce, it’s only 6.30.

    And apologies apologise – apologies!

    Acceptable Accepted.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 8:52 am

    … but it is the zombie dutton`s quote … So prove it.

    Dutton has always needed brain surgery but they can’t get his pants off …

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 8:56 am

    I know the markets have had a flogging just lately and the RBA has cut the interest rate but economists seem to be up and down like a brides wedding dress on where we’re headed …

    My gut feeling is that there is a massive economic disaster on the way … but I can’t tell where from!

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:04 am

    Those unions and their officials have such a positive influence on the ALP!

    The political future of state government MP Cesar Melhem hangs in the balance, with support among colleagues wavering and Premier Daniel Andrews not ruling out standing him down amid claims of union corruption.
    Union officials and Labor MPs have expressed growing angst over a series of allegations against Mr Melhem, with some saying his position as upper house Whip is becoming untenable and others calling for him to be dumped as convener of the Australian Workers Union section of the caucus.

    Cesar Melham was Bill Shorten’s successor. Did Bill follow a similar process in running the union?
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/knives-sharpen-for-cesar-melhem-20150606-ghi9wl.html

    Now the ACCC is on top the CFMEU!

    CFMEU secretary John Setka ordered a systematic black ban of concrete company Boral during a meeting of 200 union leaders, Federal Court documents claim.
    The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission’s statement of claim reveals the mechanics of the alleged boycott, which has cost Boral up to $28 million and remains in force.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/accc-claims-cfmeu-bosses-ordered-ban-of-boral-products/story-fni0fee2-1227386595671

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:04 am

    This bit is the first quote –

    The political future of state government MP Cesar Melhem hangs in the balance, with support among colleagues wavering and Premier Daniel Andrews not ruling out standing him down amid claims of union corruption.
    Union officials and Labor MPs have expressed growing angst over a series of allegations against Mr Melhem, with some saying his position as upper house Whip is becoming untenable and others calling for him to be dumped as convener of the Australian Workers Union section of the caucus.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:36 am

    Meanwhile the Brisbane Broncos trashed Manly Sea Eagles 44-10

    After this magic try last week … and many of the “senior” players at the State of Orange camp …

    Broncos now sit on top of the NRL Ladder …

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:37 am

    Apologies the vid is against the Canberra Raiders last week, they played the Sea Eagles this week …

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:58 am

    Well, well, well …

    IF you’re approaching an iceberg, what should you do? The GFC was “merely the beginning of the end”, and we are heading towards a titanic disaster: the next financial crash.

    That’s the view of Jordan Eliseo, chief economist with ABC Bullion, who argues the problems that led to the onset of the GFC haven’t been dealt with and global economies are arguably in an even worse shape today.

    Governments around the world are running record budget deficits hand in hand with extreme levels of public debt, interest rates have been slashed to zero or below, and trillions of dollars, euros, yen, francs and pounds have been “created out of thin air” and pumped intravenously into the world’s economies.

    His comments echo those of HSBC chief economist Stephen King, who recently issued a dire warning that the global economy was “like an ocean liner without lifeboats”, with governments’ traditional recession-fighting ammunition all but exhausted following an “insipid” post-GFC recovery.

    Whether or not you believe the doomsayers that another financial crash is coming, it can’t hurt to protect yourself. Think of it as a Pascal’s Wager. But how?

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/superannuation/gfc-was-merely-the-beginning-of-the-end-what-do-you-do-when-the-iceberg-hits/story-e6frfmdi-1227386809222

    Now I must share this with you all and I know many of you will guffaw.

    I am not generally superstitious, believe in ghosts or fairy tales for children or adults … but every once in a while something comes along to “disturb” my cynicism.

    This morning just as I woke up (or it woke me up!) I could see a graph, very quickly but very clearly and end of the line was in red and shot sharply down – just as I remember the ASX graph as the GFC hit!

    We will be working on a variation of Pascal’s Wager next week – for obvious reasons. 😉

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2015 2:03 pm

    Governments around the world are running record budget deficits hand in hand with extreme levels of public debt,

    And people want to vote the ALP back in. A political party that does not know how to reduce debt.

  192. June 7, 2015 5:48 pm

    as previously discussed #ice-price

    +

    network-10 news package just reported the price of `ice` has fallen to as little as $40`dose` in many parts of Aust .. and the `dose` will keep`em buzzing for around 2-days (big drop from the 300-500 we dug-up earlier)

    package also said the `ingredients` are being imported very cheaply, from china, via online methods, which is `assisting/encouraging` new start-ups #yay.tpp

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 6:18 pm

    Maybe its because they’re using plain packaging, Tbagz …

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 7:22 pm

    Why on earth would a convicted criminal who ruined thousands of lives and families even be considered for a state funeral … this world is sliding backwards – fast …

    Thanks to Robber Barons and their Wannabe “friends” …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/alan-bonds-first-wife-back-home-in-perth/story-e6frfku9-1227386743164

  195. June 7, 2015 8:43 pm

    supermarket tubs of SHOWBAG ice-cream contain 3-flavors in them,

    toffee-apple(green), popcorn(white) and fairy-floss(pink),

    Don`t waste ya`cash buying this shit, it`s absolutely disgusting, mate`s kid (that selected/tanty`ed for it) won`t even eat it,

    yeah, l tasted it, fcuking horrible #730reportland.consumer.alert

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2015 9:27 pm

    Here’s the report in The Jakarta Post regarding Triggs’ speech.

    Australia’s conservative government introduced tough immigration policies in 2013 to stop an influx of would-be refugees.
    Asylum-seekers arriving by sea are sent to Pacific camps and boats are turned around when it is safe to do so, or taken back to their country of origin.
    Since the military-led operation began, the numbers attempting the route from Indonesia to Australia have declined dramatically, but turning back the boats irked Jakarta.
    The policy was not mentioned by Indonesian President Joko Widodo during his defence of the death penalty and refusal to debate the Chan and Sukumaran issue, insisting that Indonesia was facing an emergency due to rising narcotics use.
    Along with the Australian pair, five other foreign drug convicts were executed with them, sparking global condemnation.

    – See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/06/05/australia-denies-asylum-policy-affected-indonesia-executions.html#sthash.IPRlN0Dx.dpuf

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2015 9:40 pm

    Jakarta Post … giggle …

  198. armchair opionator permalink
    June 7, 2015 10:19 pm

  199. June 7, 2015 10:41 pm

    t””Jakarta Post .. giggle”””

    #it`s okay tb, rupert don`t own it .. yet

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2015 10:59 pm

    Don Weston – “Your an IMBECILE!!!

    I think he means “you’re”

  201. Team UKUSA permalink
    June 7, 2015 11:16 pm

    ANDREW BOLT: What an idiot we are.

  202. June 7, 2015 11:41 pm

    guardian”””””’On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

    The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.””””””

    #nice find Tinfoil`osy

    #it`s good to see this precedent/out-come, one which our canberra buffoons will ignore, and make further arse-hats out of themselves. Yep, remove `citizenship` or/and punish, for doing the same shit asis, asio, afp-plod govt are doing. #still.not.learning

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 11:16 am

    So given that there is no evidence (whatsoever) that the Indonesian government is ignoring Australia about its shooting of people because of Australia’s policy on asylum seekers –
     Is Triggs just making speeches about her sense of “the vibe”?
     Is it appropriate that a statutory appointee make contentious speeches without any basis in fact?

  204. June 8, 2015 12:45 pm

    Regardless of whether ppl “think” Triggs is right or wrong, is it appropriate for the Govt to be airing their criticisms through the media, rather than through the appropriate channels?

    I think not.

    It smacks of a deliberate attempt to destroy her career through some sort of “death by press release” personal sabotage than to pursue their grievances through the appropriate channels.

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 1:48 pm

    I tend to think that if a public servant makes some contentious, fact free comments about political issues, they’ve entered the political fray and can therefore expect some political replies!

  206. June 8, 2015 2:20 pm

    Triggs is criticising government policy because the wrong party is in office. She was silent under a Labor government.

    She really should try and feign impartiality. If she can’t see fit to do that, she shouldn’t complain when coalition politicians send criticism back her way..

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2015 2:30 pm

    rather than through the appropriate channels?

    What are the appropriate channels?

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2015 5:51 pm

    Even though Australians voted for the Abbott Government in 2013, giving it a mandate to axe the carbon tax, about 67 per cent surveyed last month thought the country was not doing enough to tackle climate change. This compared with 51 per cent in the US, and 86 per cent in China.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/survey-reveals-countries-where-citizens-dont-want-climate-change-action/story-fnjwvztl-1227388408028

    What absolute cock! The Mad Abbott abuses power now because the last lot were so fkn silly and stupid with each other!

    In fact …

    In Australia, 59 per cent believed the country should take a leadership role, and only 3 per cent disagreed with supporting an international agreement.

    Contradicts any “mandate” whatsoever … and I see there is no “author” …

  209. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:16 pm

    So given that there is no evidence (whatsoever) that the Indonesian government is ignoring Australia about its shooting of people because of Australia’s policy on asylum seekers –

    Have you read the what it was Triggs actually said yet yomm, or are you still viewing through the lense dutton and his morons presented it to you? This is from your link

    “Is it any wonder that Indonesia will not engage with us on other issues that we care about, like the death penalty?”

    Do you see her mention the current executions? Don’t you think it far more likely that she is speaking more generally of Australia’s ongoing attempts to have the death penalty eradicated, a central role in her job one would assume.

    But, it is the two ministers who should be called on to explain their statement.

    Dutton has just provided yet more evidence as to why he should under no circumstances be given sole power – even subject to judicial oversight – under the government’s proposed new law to revoke the citizenship of dual nationals involved in terrorist activities.

    As for Brandis: well, as the nation’s first law officer, he should, frankly, know better. Brandis professes to believe in free speech, famously defending people’s right to be bigots. Yet he calls for an explanation of an arguable proposition – whether correct or not – from someone who is perfectly entitled to make it.

    https://theconversation.com/brandis-and-dutton-play-some-dirty-pool-in-their-fight-with-gillian-triggs-42948

    Both minsters have proven to be both inept and inaccurate, They should both resign.

    She was silent under a Labor government.

    You must have missed all those link nil put up earlier in the thread, where Triggs was VERY vocal with the previous Government 😉

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:19 pm

    “Is it any wonder that Indonesia will not engage with us on other issues that we care about, like the death penalty?”

    Do you (or Triggs) have any evidence at all that they are declining to engage with Australia (or Brazil or the Netherlands etc) for any reason other than those stated by the Indonesian President?

    Or is it just “the vibe” that you and Triggs get about Indonesia?

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:26 pm

    Weak argument … ToM …

  212. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:29 pm

    Or is it just “the vibe” that you and Triggs get about Indonesia?

    No doubt it is a “vibe”, backed up by words and actions that all point in that direction. Do you doubt that Indonesia is mightily pissed about the boat turn backs? A policy that has forced them to try the same, only stopped by their sense of decency, or inability to stay sunk that low.

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:30 pm

    Really TB?

    Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection? Or is Triggs privy to some information that isn’t available to anyone else?

    Or more likely – does she just make up stuff for the sake of getting some coverage of her political orientation?

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:33 pm

    “backed up by words and actions that all point in that direction.

    Which words and actions of Indonesia demonstrate that Indonesia declines to discuss the death penalty – with Australia, Brazil and the Netherlands?

    Just nominate some specific words and actions. It should be easy for you.

  215. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 6:58 pm

    Which words and actions of Indonesia demonstrate that Indonesia declines to discuss the death penalty

    You misunderstand again yomm. The words and actions were in relation to boat turn backs. The words were. Don’t do it. The actions are, pretty much every interaction we have had diplomatically since.

    As far as I know, yabots still sitting in his orifice waiting on that phone call from them. Keep waiting tones 😉

    with Australia, Brazil and the Netherlands?

    What do Brazil or the Netherlands have to do with it. Oh, that’s right, you are still arguing through the lens dutton provided you. Forget that yomm, and stick with reality.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:09 pm

    Really TB?

    Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection? Or is Triggs privy to some information that isn’t available to anyone else?

    Or more likely – does she just make up stuff for the sake of getting some coverage of her political orientation?

    Really, ToM … IDGAFF … Triggs seems to be doing her job …

    I can assure you the government is run by a bunch of fkn wankers … they have damaged our international reputation irreparably as far as I can see … from the way they handled the spying (they knew about it – it was just atrociously handled), the turn back of the boats, to the threat of jail for journalist, whistle-blowers, doctors and teachers …

    Even Amanda Vanstone has called Abbott a turkey re the citizenship debacle …

    This is the worst government I’ve ever seen, full of amateur, incompetent buffoons … and I’ve lived through a few …

  217. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:10 pm

    Just explain how the assertion about the death penalty can be made. Is there any evidence of a connection?

    We pushed boats back against Indonesia’s numerous public statements about their opposition to such an action.

    Indonesia refuses to engage with Australia over the death penalty (and many other issues)

    Connect the dots yomm.

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:24 pm

    I see, so for political expediency Jokowi decides to get rid of the informal moratorium on execution, and first up executes some poor, apparently insane Brazilian. He proceeds to do this despite the protests and imploring of his government.

    Brazil made strenuous representations on behalf of their citizen, but he was shot anyway.

    Similar with the guy from the Netherlands.

    Both countries have been active in their representations and efforts about the death penalty.

    But according to Triggs, Tom R and TB, the reason Jokowi won’t pay attention to representations is Australia’s policy on asylum seekers.

    But this evidence free assertion requires the joining of dots – sounds like something to do with molecules!

  219. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:30 pm

    But according to Triggs, Tom R and TB, the reason Jokowi won’t pay attention to representations is Australia’s policy on asylum seekers.

    Like I said yomm, step away from duttons lense, and look at it through the lens of what was actually said.

    “Is it any wonder that Indonesia will not engage with us on other issues that we care about, like the death penalty?”

    Why do you continue to support powerful people slandering and belittling their betters with lies and smear? What is it about what Triggs has to say that you fear?

  220. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:31 pm

    dutton is yomms oracle. This pretty much sums it up 🙂

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:35 pm

    Perhaps you would just explain what evidence you have for the assertion…beyond “the vibe aka “joining the dots”.

    Otherwise you’re just expressing an opinion, without any basis in fact.

  222. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 7:40 pm

    Otherwise you’re just expressing an opinion,

    You mean, like Triggs was?

    Mind you, I listed the “facts” above. It was an opinion based in facts in the real world, not the fevered imagination of a former drug cop who sounds like he got a bit close to the product at times.

  223. June 8, 2015 7:54 pm

    tr”””’Dutton has just provided yet more evidence as to why he should under no circumstances be given sole power”””

    #the dutton zombie has provided `evidence` that `sole`-power should never rest in the hands of EITHER team, they`re all fcuking shit-house.

    #notice the cash-bonfire both teams feed in persecuting boatpeople, it is $470K-per-boatie. That`s the fcuking price of a HOUSE, which many of us can`t obtain, and many others struggle for decades to pay-off. All these stupid fcuks in canberra are bleeding us `all` dry with their extensive waste of tax-dollars.

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2015 8:02 pm

    You must have missed all those link nil put up earlier in the thread, where Triggs was VERY vocal with the previous Government

    She was vocal after Abbott won govt. She delayed her inquiry until Abbott was elected. And that report i have linked to showing 12 deaths and 4,000 incidents under Labor was released after Abbott was elected.

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 8:26 pm

    If we’re going to accept that qualifications (drug cop vs law professor) we’ll then also accept that –
    • My opinion carries more weight than Swan’s (or Hockey’s) because I have better qualification in economics than either of them
    • Real world experience (such as law enforcement) carries little weight (when compared to the academic life)

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2015 8:28 pm

    “I listed the “facts” above.

    I must have missed those “facts”. All I’ve seen is evidence free assertions.

    …and Triggs has entered the political arena and therefore can expect a political response.

  227. Inconvenient Advocacy permalink
    June 8, 2015 9:59 pm

    and Triggs has entered the political arena and therefore can expect a political response.

  228. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2015 10:12 pm

    I must have missed those “facts”.

    Are you claiming that you missed Indonesia on multiple occasions voice their opposition to Australia sending boats back to them forcibly?

  229. Rights Of Billing permalink
    June 9, 2015 12:15 am

    On Sunday, Mr Dutton was asked directly if she should resign. “You’ve put me in a tough position. Obviously, Professor Triggs is an appointment of the Attorney-General,” he said, before adding that she should consider her future.

  230. June 9, 2015 12:27 am

    ‘Asked’ to resign on Bolt’s platform, by a government Minister.

    How quaint.

    Requisite legitimacy applied to ‘request’.

    Dutton will screw the pooch in his current portfolio as he has in all those past.

    “We don’t like highlighting or discrediting of our mantras, so…shut up”. Leaden, hed, conservative pied pipers.

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:10 am

    Peter Costello gives good reason not to trust economists/Treasury

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/taxpayers-the-real-victims-of-labor-war/story-fni0ffsx-1227388678265

    Of the era, the part I like best is the Treasury explanation of the benefits of the stimulus in the 2009 Budget. It showed that without “temporary” stimulus, unemployment would peak in 2010 at 10 per cent but with it the outcome would only be 8.5 per cent. Do you know what unemployment turned out to be in 2010? It was 5.25 per cent.

    Treasuries forecasts always seem to be wrong.

  232. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:16 am

    Peter Costello thinks Treasury are buffoons because Labor kept Unemployment low. 😯

    This is the same costello who helped make houses unaffordable for the average person. Thanks, but no thanks.

    It used to be said that house prices couldn’t climb to the level where owner-occupiers couldn’t afford to buy them. But it’s no longer true. John Howard severed the link in September 1999. A simple change to the Tax Act created a whole new class of buyers for whom occupying the house wasn’t the point. They could make big money by using houses as investments, getting someone else to live in them, and selling them later at a profit. From September 1999 only half of any profit they made was subject to tax.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-happy-to-blow–air-into-housing-bubble-20150608-ghimy1

    Fuck costello and the hammock he swung in on on.

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:35 am

    Peter Costello thinks Treasury are buffoons because Labor kept Unemployment low

    No, he thinks people like you and Treasury are buffoons. Treasury predicted unemployment would reach 8.5% WITHOUT stimulus spending.

  234. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:36 am

    Speaking of ‘the vibe’, it appears that is how we are now guverned. Not just comments on opinions, but laws that affect us all are made on hte basis of ‘the vibe’

    The Coalition did not receive any advice from security agencies before agreeing to shield 700 of the nation’s largest private companies from disclosing their tax affairs on the basis that the information could endanger the personal security of the wealthy individuals behind them.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-sought-no-security-advice-on-kidnap-fears-before-protecting-wealthy-from-tax-disclosure-20150608-ghiv74.html

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:38 am

    I heard Bryan Burdekin, first human rights commissioner on radio national this morning.

    He said he first raised the death penalty with Indonesia in 1992. What was the policy/political reason they didn’t engage on the issue 24 years ago?

  236. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:43 am

    Treasury predicted unemployment would reach 8.5% WITHOUT stimulus spending.

    I think you meant WITH

    Bad naughty Labor, keeping it even lower. So, what you are saying is, Labor implemented the policy even better than anticipated? 🙂

    And, even then, we missed out on a recession by a whisker. We came so close that the libs media arm were claiming it was one anyway.

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2015 8:54 am

    I think you meant WITH

    OK 10% unemployment without stimulus and 8.5% with stimulus.

    It shows Treasury cannot forecast anything accurately as we have seen under Swan.

  238. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 9:01 am

    What was the policy/political reason they didn’t engage on the issue 24 years ago?

    Bryan Burdekin defended Gillian Triggs and supported her comments yomm.

    And he didn’t say Indonesia didn’t ‘engage’, in fact, he mentioned that they did? Stop making shit up. Are you dutton?

    [audio src="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/06/bst_20150609_0736.mp3" /]

  239. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 9:02 am

    It shows Treasury cannot forecast anything accurately as we have seen under Swan.

    Or costello, or hockey, or anyone.

    But it is the best we have, and all Treasurers work under those assumptions.

  240. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 9:04 am

    fckn UNIONS!

    Labor backbencher Doug Cameron has launched a scathing attack on the Fair Work Ombudsman for her punishment of a Taiwanese company that perpetrated what he described as “one of the most egregious breaches of workplace law that I have seen for many years”. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/08/doug-cameron-takes-aim-over-slap-wrist-egregious-worker-exploitation#sthash.stz1uprJ.dpuf

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2015 9:21 am

    yeah! For 24 years Indonesia has declined to take any notice of us regarding The death penalty.

    But the problem is that we turn back back boats, from a little over a year ago.

    Of course no mention. of their outrage over us spying on their president.

  242. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 9:23 am

    yeah! For 24 years Indonesia has declined to take any notice of us regarding The death penalty.

    You said they refused to engage, whereas the previous commissioner spoke DIRECTLY of engaging with them.

    What version of your inaccurate statement do you want to run with yomm?

  243. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 10:01 am

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2015 10:35 am

    Burdekin spoke to their FM 24 years ago, he said. Is their FM now refusing to speak to Australian representatives?

    Do you think they were also offended about the spying on their president?

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 10:45 am

    And, even then, we missed out on a recession by a whisker. We came so close that the libs media arm were claiming it was one anyway.

    And we are now closer than ever, thanks to the ineptitude of The Mad Abbott & His Acolytes …

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2015 11:10 am

    And we are now closer than ever, thanks to the ineptitude of The Mad Abbott & His Acolytes …

    You judgement is very poor. Anybody who believes that unemployment will drop or debt will reduce if Labor gets back in is insane.

    Or costello, or hockey, or anyone.

    At least with Costello it was generally correct. If Costello predicted a surplus we got one it was just bigger than predicted. As for Hockey we will not know until September.

  247. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 11:17 am

    Is their FM now refusing to speak to Australian representatives?

    Looks like things are going swimmingly

    At the height of Abbott government’s efforts to seek clemency for the two men, Julie Bishop asked Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi what Indonesia does to secure clemency for its citizens on death row in other countries.

    In reply the Indonesian foreign minister told Ms Bishop, ‘it’s none of your business.’
    – See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/05/04/bishop-told-to–mind-your-own-business-.html#sthash.5s4JDOpr.dpuf

  248. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 12:10 pm

    “”Indonesia refuses to engage with Australia over the death penalty (and many other issues)””

    OK…….what is the highest profile instance of that you can think of and when did it occur ?

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2015 12:45 pm

    “none of your business” – perhaps because they cough yo lots of cash and preferred not to debate this?

  250. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 1:35 pm

    and preferred not to debate this?

    wow yomm. And what was Triggs comment again? 😯

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 2:25 pm

    Wiggle, wiggle going on here … (see above) …

    What about more Liberal Party ineptitude …

    CONSERVATIVE commentator Grahame Morris has had to apologise to Irish people everywhere after a bizarre racist rant on Sky News saw him cop a thumping in the Irish press.

    The veteran Liberal adviser last week dismissed the Irish as “people who can’t grow potatoes” during a debate over same sex marriage last week.

    Referring to the marriage equality bill put forward by the Labor Party, the former Howard chief of staff criticised the party for taking queues from Ireland where a similar law had just been passed.

    “I love the Irish, the parliament is full of Irishmen, but these are people who can’t grow potatoes,” he said.

    “(They) have a mutant lawn weed as their national symbol and they can’t verbalise the difference between tree and the number three.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/grahame-morris-apologises-for-bizarre-anti-irish-rant/story-fns0jze1-1227389697808

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 2:27 pm

    TEST

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2015 3:08 pm

    So we have the Human Rights Commissioner raising the death penalty with Indonesia 24 years ago, but we’re not getting anywhere because we changed policy on asylum seekers 18 months ago.

    Right, I think I’m getting Tom R’s logic now – there is none.

  254. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 3:20 pm

    but we’re not getting anywhere because we changed policy on asylum seekers 18 months ago.

    Even though, just above, you almost got there lol

    and preferred not to debate this?

    Close, but no bananna yet yomm 😉

  255. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 3:21 pm

    Speaking of logic, here’s joe

  256. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 3:49 pm

    “Sydney’s house prices have gone up 30% since 2011. “”

    Only a truly dumb fuck would look at it like that. Sydney property was no where near as bouyant during the period 2004 to 2010.

    So what did wages do during that period ?

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 4:37 pm

    So what did wages do during that period ?

    I know … do you?

  258. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 4:58 pm

    In Sydney and NSW between 4.2 and 4.8% for 2005 to 2011 which gives a compounded increase of between 33.4% and 38.8%

    So you were gonna say something ?

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5673.0.55.003#Anchor3

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 5:06 pm

    Two things actually …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/wage-growth

    You can check out both here …

    Even I know that real wage growth has nosedived … compounded? WTF! You obviously don’t live on a wage …

    You probably think that CPI reflects actual cost of living!

  260. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 5:21 pm

    “Even I know that real wage growth has nosedived … compounded?”

    Oh I see instead of talking specifically about Sydney, which the original quote was related to, you want to muddy the waters as usual and talk about Australia wide.

    Sorry but that’s a load of Bullshit. We were not talking of real house price growth over 2004 to 2011.

    And I dont buy into your “vibe” thing.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 6:04 pm

    And I dont buy into your “vibe” thing.

    Of course you don’t … and do I care? You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too …

    This time I know its on the way but can’t put my finger on it … maybe there are too many indicators …

    Watch last night’s The Business (although it is on ABC) … oh, you’ll find it on iView you can find that, can’t you? They discuss China and the coming year …

    Oh, and watch Assault on Wall Street – I watched that for the first time last night too … (I actually thought it was about a robbery – well, I suppose it was …)

    As for wages … We were not talking of real house price growth over 2004 to 2011.?

    Actually I do remember a discussion in a boardroom that a consultant from Sydney shouldn’t be discounted because his daily rate was twice that of one from Brisbane … because of the CoL … so I get your argument …

    But “compounded”?

    BTW … that consultant from Brisbane won the job on merit not fee … and worked for the company for nine years … you’ve been harassed by him for a decade now … 🙂

    And frankly the cost of housing in Sydney interests me not one jot … but it is inflated … by negative gearing and foreign investment … please keep it there …

  262. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 6:10 pm

    “You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too … ”

    Perhaps you should not have used past tense there.

    Still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg !

  263. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2015 6:11 pm

    “And frankly the cost of housing in Sydney interests me not one jot ”

    So why comment in the first place

    Shakes head

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 7:29 pm

    Shakes head

    You’d be the only one around here to ask that … should the bubble burst … it will waft like a very bad fart across the country …

    It’s all based on Jockeyspeak – “if Sydney’s house prices were too high no-one would buy them” …

    You probably agree with Jockey’s advice to first home buyers too … “get a well paid job” …

    Out of touch or out of his mind … “let them eat cake” … silver spoons stuck up people’s arses really make them talk shite!

  265. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 7:34 pm

    Get a hair cut, and get a well heeled job!

  266. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2015 7:43 pm

    hockeys idiocy on display.

    Would-be owner-occupiers have become a minority in a housing market they once dominated.

    The latest figures released on Tuesday show would-be owner-occupiers accounted for just 48.4 per cent of the money borrowed for home loans in April – the lowest proportion on record.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/joe-hockey-is-wrong-houses-are-becoming-unaffordable-20150609-ghjys6.html

    All those dole bludgers need to do is get off their arse, get born into money, and become investors. It can’t be that hard.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2015 7:57 pm

    All those dole bludgers need to do is get off their arse, get born into money, and become investors. It can’t be that hard.

    Then join the Liberal Party, a few nod, nods – wink, winks, get elected and become Treasurer, fkn easy!

    BTW, TR, The Mad Abbott’s job must be really good he’s still got a mortgage (negative geared, is my guess) …

  268. June 9, 2015 11:04 pm

    blubbers”””you want to muddy the waters as usual”””’

    #it`s not teebz `muddying-waters` blubbers, it`s the `definition` or `description` attached to the `numbers` that muddy the waters.

    #Take `household-income` which is bandied about in various metrics and political statements. Think about it. lt distorts the figures and overstates the `well-being` of wage-earners, particularly `singles`. lt would be much more accurate to use `individuals` income.

  269. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 10:13 am

    “You probably agree with Jockey’s advice to first home buyers too … “get a well paid job” …”

    So you believe the unemployed and all those on low salaries are entitled to bank finance so they can live anywhere of their choosing ?

    Mmmmmm……………..I wonder where they tried that before ?

    “You laughed at John McPhilbin and me too … ”

    Now you know why I’m still………………… ROTFLMAO

    Joe Hockey left one thing out. The word “sacrifice”.

    If you “sacrifice”you might find you’ll be able to buy a house faster

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2015 11:08 am

    So you believe the unemployed and all those on low salaries are entitled to bank finance so they can live anywhere of their choosing ?

    Mmmm … did I say that? Or are you up to your usual crap … trying to out-think people – badly … and put words into their comments that don’t exist?

    The problem with Hockey’s statement is that there are too few “well paid, long term” jobs available … and interest rates low as 2% won’t help that …

    Hockey also commented that if the house prices were too high people wouldn’t be buying them … er, only foreigners – OK Chinese – looking for somewhere to stick ill-gained profits and investors seeking to take advantage of negative gearing can afford them …

    If the “housing price disease” in Sydney continues, then it will inevitably spread to other major cities …

    Houses should be homes not investments … a home should never be an asset … people changed the name (home to asset) and changed the game – for the rich and greedy …

    If you buy a home and it increases in value … then move, you are still selling and buying in the same market … but if the prices have been pushed up by investors then your “good job” income won’t keep up … simples ..

    The French and the Americans had similar answers in different ways … both to greedy aristocracy … for that’s how the present government and its controlling Robber Barons see themselves … this country like most Western “democracies” are owned – seriously owned … we certainly have no free market? Free speech? Free enterprise? Free movement?

    What a farce …

    … in fact the government has done a lousy job in helping businesses to survive, building infrastructure to create new jobs (the miners have civil engineering skills), helping to create new industries to compensate for the loss of the mining boom (agriculture, light engineering, manufacturing, renewable energy) … it has done exceedingly well in spending money on wasteful exercises such as the RC on unions, school chaplains, jet fighters that don’t and pandering to the rich and crazy …

    As for the sacrifice shit … you should know by now you’re talking to the wrong person …

    But if you have nothing – what do you sacrifice?

    Who would want to live in a rat hole like Sydney anyway?

  271. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 11:23 am

    “”Who would want to live in a rat hole like Sydney anyway?””

    Because according to Tracey Grimshaw on ACA it would seem that the further North one travels the population of financial scammers, paedophiles, ill educated, safari suit wearing, whinging retirees, dole bludgers, and ant – vaccination types with rotting teeth exponentially increases

  272. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 11:25 am

    “”If you buy a home and it increases in value … then move, you are still selling and buying in the same market …””

    Not so…………you might be shifting/downsizing to the apartment market.

  273. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 11:45 am

    Gillian Triggs (Law Professor) Vs Peter Dutton (Former Drug Cop)

    “”Out of the mouths of total babes””

    So now TomR and his Leftist mates decide to belittle the intelligence of cops as opposed to a Professor.

    How quaint !

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2015 11:47 am

    I think it is fair to allow negative gearing for new houses only. Also some stringent control over foreign investment in housing.

    Hockey is wrong, the problem isn’t simply one of supply, there needs to be some tapering of demand.

  275. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:00 pm

    So now TomR and his Leftist mates decide to belittle the intelligence of cops as opposed to a Professor.

    I’m pretty sure most cops would understand the difference between themselves and a Professor. It’s illuminating that you don’t.

    As for hockey, he’s a spoilt bully who talks out of his arse. Which wouldn’t be so bad, if his words didn’t affect people so detrimentally.

  276. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:06 pm

    And we see that the boats haven’t stop. No, all that has happened, is that our Federal grubmint has become just another link in the people smuggling chain.

    An Indonesia police chief has claimed Australian officials paid off people smugglers to turn back a boat full of asylum seekers.
    Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/10/03/37/australian-customs-officials-reportedly-paid-people-smugglers-to-turn-back-boat#vxyYXlxHdCFIuBT4.99

    And to make matters worst, the same grubmint is also spying on our own politicians

    The Immigration Department has confirmed Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young was spied on during her visit to Nauru by at least one Wilson Security officer who may have had a “brain explosion”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/immigration-department-confirms-sarah-hansonyoung-was-spied-on-20150609-ghk0kr.html

  277. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:20 pm

    And how did we forget this …………….Gillian Triggs again

    “In light of my findings regarding the act of the Minister in failing to place Mr Basikbasik in a less restrictive form of detention than in an immigration detention centre, I recommend that the Commonwealth pay compensation to Mr Basikbasik in the amount of $350,000”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-attacks-gillian-triggs-for-bizarre-ruling-20150108-12k3us.html

  278. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:23 pm

    “Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young was spied on during her visit to Nauru..””

    The Nauru government controls what goes on outside the detention centre. I realise you were obviously a pupil once with special needs so I’ll say it slowly………………………….

    Its called sovereignty

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:27 pm

    Spying is what the previous government did to the President of Indonesia and his family – stuff like opening mail, listening to phone calls, looking at emails, personal stuff.

    Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”

  280. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:29 pm

    “”I’m pretty sure most cops would understand the difference between themselves and a Professor.””

    Really…………………what like “real world”” stuff……………………….or would you care to elaborate ?

  281. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:30 pm

    “Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”………””

    “Perving”” ?

  282. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:35 pm

    .or would you care to elaborate ?

    Is it the qualifications of a police officer, or that of a Professor that you aren’t up on wally?

    Looking at someone while they’re in the pub or whatever, isn’t really “spying”

    Nauru is a pub?

  283. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:45 pm

    “”Is it the qualifications of a police officer, or that of a Professor that you aren’t up on wally?””

    In Foreign Affairs do you mean ?……………..afterall that’s what she was talking about

    Please point out her qualifications in Foreign Relations.

    Do be quick I’m off to lunch soon

  284. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 12:53 pm

    The Human Rights Commissioner is supposed to do her job………………..

    “”(b) efficiently and with the greatest possible benefit to the people of Australia.””

    How does that fit in with paying $350,000 to a convicted murderer (his own wife) who is not even a citizen.

    Here we have Domestic Violence at its most extreme yet TomR has the absolute gall to cry foul about the government”s approach to Domestic Violence.

  285. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:09 pm

    Please point out her qualifications in Foreign Relations.

    Her qualifications are in Law wally, which she is speaking off. The death penalty being, you know, a law and all 😯

    It even said it in the tweet you were responding to, so ignorance can’t really be your excuse this time … can it?

    Now, police know a bit about the law, too, but, to compare the two especially on the finer details of interpretation is well…. like comparing an accountant with a productive worker in the community.

    gall to cry foul about the government”s approach to Domestic Violence.

    Is this the same grubmint who just tried to cut funding to female victims of Domestic violence? That grubmint. Being the Human Rights Commissioner, Triggs was standing up for someone who had served their time under our laws, but then remained incarcerated without charge. But I guess you think that’s fine that we keep people locked up without charge?

  286. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:18 pm

    “Her qualifications are in Law wally,”

    But what are her qualifications in Foreign Affairs ?

    She was commenting on our Indo relationship afterall.

    The Tweet was implying Dutton was just another dumbarse cop. You know how the Left and Policing dont go together well.

    “” But I guess you think that’s fine that we keep people locked up without charge?””

    If the person is assessed as a continued threat then lock him up by all means. I’d deport him but Human Rights peoplez say we must not.

    Perhaps you have a spare room ?

  287. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:30 pm

    She was commenting on our Indo relationship afterall.

    It is also legal wally. The death penalty, boat turn backs, both are examples of laws, which is what she is an Emeritus Professor in. Yes, I think I’ll take her opinion over a drug cop any day.

    The Tweet was implying Dutton was just another dumbarse cop.

    I’m not denying that, although, I think he is far dumber than the average cop, many of whom are quite bright.

    If the person is assessed as a continued threat then lock him up by all means.

    So, was he? That’s really the crux of the matter isn’t it.

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:38 pm

    TomR

    If you are supporting Triggs,this proves she is a partisan deadbeat.

    You only support dishonest and corrupt policies/people.

  289. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:44 pm

    Yep, Triggs is a lawyer, therefore agree with her opinion over a cop.

    I have post graduate qualifications in economics, therefore you can take my opinion over someone less qualified.

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 1:55 pm

    As for hockey, he’s a spoilt bully who talks out of his arse. Which wouldn’t be so bad, if his words didn’t affect people so detrimentally.

    As usual you are telling lies. It was Holden who threatened Hockey. They also threatened Gillard. If you were the Treasurer of Australia and a multi-national company threatened you what would you do?

    Holden told both Gillard and Hockey, give us more money or we will leave.

    TomR you are the definition of deceit.

  291. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:03 pm

    I have post graduate qualifications in economics

    Of course, just having a qualification isn’t the be all and end all, as yomm has just highlighted, especially considering his recent comment on the other thread 😉

    Holden told both Gillard and Hockey, give us more money or we will leave.

    And hockey said FUCK OFF, AND TAKE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS WITH YOU!

    What did he say yesterday again? 😆 :sob:

  292. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:04 pm

    Like I said…………………you purport outrage on the Domestic Violence front but defend the outrageous

    “…..University of Queensland social work lecturer Deborah Walsh said

    “He will have had no serious perpetrator intervention,” said Dr Walsh. who has worked with domestic violence offenders for nearly two decades.

    “Having no intervention would put other women associated with him at risk.”…………””

    http://morningmail.org/triggs-tedious-pest/

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:05 pm

    So why promote Triggs and disparage a cop on the basis of their qualifications?

  294. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:05 pm

    Dont you hate it when a friend cancels lunch just because they ran up the back of a car ?

  295. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:11 pm

    And hockey said FUCK OFF, AND TAKE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS WITH YOU!

    Comments like that help nobody. Holden threatened Gillard

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/holden-job-cuts-threaten-car-handouts-20130408-ji0m5

    Holden threatened to leave Australia last year unless the $275 million was forthcoming and the federal government hopes to calm things down. One source said the $275 million was “about securing investment in the two next-generation cars, not closing the place down’’.

    Holden was continually threatening the Australian govt. Fact is no matter who was in power it is too expensive to make cars in Australia.

  296. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:20 pm

    Fact is no matter who was in power it is too expensive to make cars in Australia.

    Fact is, that is outright bullshit.

    All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies to help cope with international tariffs, others countries internal subsidies, other countries direct taxes and the extremely high dollar.

    But no, hockey wanted them gone, for purely ideological reasons, so out they must go.

    Then he wonders why no one can afford a house! Not sure he’ll be getting Worlds Greatest Treasurer too soon

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:26 pm

    All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies to help cope with international tariffs,

    And that is what they got. Not for the one millionth time but for the 10 millionth time, after Ford left Holden went back to the Commonwealth govt and asked for double what was promised. Hockey said no. What was promised was enough.

    And thankfully Hockey put an end to the endless threats from an industry that was too stupid to use the billions of dollars they were given to make a car that people wanted to buy.

  298. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:28 pm

    What was promised was enough.

    Obviously it wasn’t. If a grubmint won’t help out it’s industry (like it does for miners etc) then of course they will go where the Government will

    And thankfully Hockey put an end to all of those potential home owners?

  299. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 2:31 pm

    Some “context” for the millions the car Industry was requiring to keep trillions in investment going

  300. June 10, 2015 2:53 pm

    blubbers”””If you `sacrifice` you might””’

    #that`s another one of those bullshit terms tho too

    #nowadays, many DO `sacrifice` and don`t get anywhere, it is as equally stupid as saying go get a `better` job, or telling the unemployed they are `bludgers` when there is no living-wage job to be had in their location

    #teabag.talk

  301. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:20 pm

    If a grubmint won’t help out it’s industry (like it does for miners etc) then of course they will go where the Government will

    But they were helped out. Money was promised until 2020

    http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx

    The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.

    But Holden wanted double what was promised after Ford left under Gillard. Hockey said no. And if Hockey did not say no and got what they wanted in five years time they would have come back and wanted even more.

  302. June 10, 2015 3:25 pm

    tr”””All they needed was a few thousand each car in direct subsidies”””

    #still trying to super-glue the auto-ashes back together l see

    #team-cheerers should realize by now, that extorted govts around the world is not sustainable by those govts, instead of abdicating governing and paying the extortion, govts espousing free-trade, democracy, fairness and the slew of other catch-cries, should have used their `international` meet-ups to have `all` govts stand-up to auto-industry extortion.

    #it is a totally ridiculous scenario paying extortion to auto to build unwanted product in Aust, and then `open` the doors to free-trade auto-dumping too. Both `teams`, state/s and federal have failed miserably on this aspect.

  303. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:27 pm

    Money was promised until 2020

    There lots of promises broken, and that was to enterprises the grubmint hadn’t just told to get fucked.

    To all of those Holden and Toyota workers, hockey told them to get fucked, then he rubbed salt in their wounds, and told them to get a high paying job.

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:29 pm

    Dont you hate it when a friend cancels lunch just because they ran up the back of a car ?

    Not a Maserati!

    Treasurer Joe Hockey’s only blunder was in declaring Sydney real estate affordable because people could afford to keep buying it.

    It was akin to telling second-hand car owners that Maseratis are affordable simply because they keep rolling out of the showroom.

    It wasn’t his advice to first home buyers to just “get a good job”. That’s a given for anyone hoping to negotiate a mortgage and a purchase. It’s simple common sense.

    But saying the most coveted and expensive housing in Australia was affordable was the talk of a Maserati driver preaching to a 1987 model Mitsubishi owner.

    In real estate terms, that’s exactly what Mr Hockey is.

    He owns a 160ha farm in north Queensland, a home in Sydney’s Hunters Hill bought for $3.5 million in 2004, and his wife owns a Canberra apartment. When Mr Hockey stays in that apartment, he pays rent to his wife with an allowance provided to ministers by taxpayers.

    Good luck to him. It is no sin to be well off.

    But for a politician it is an offence to lose perspective and that is what Mr Hockey did with his comment yesterday on affordability.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/hockey-made-one-blunder-telling-struggling-home-buyers-the-market-was-affordable/story-fn5tas5k-1227391579296

    I think Farr nails it …

  305. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:32 pm

    should have used

    shoulda coulda woulda

    With every other nation protecting their interests and doing what they can block out others, what hope for anything here when our grubmint is signing “free trade” deals that do nothing to protect our workers, and just make it easier for cheaper (read lower quality) shit to be imported. Think back not so long ago to frozen berries, and the requirements on production overseas compared with here.

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:41 pm

    A man being held in Western Australia’s Yongah Hill Immigration Detention Centre says he is an Indigenous Australian and not a visa overstayer or asylum seeker.

    The Immigration Department has strongly rejected the claim, saying they have used fingerprint and facial recognition analysis and have found the man to be a Fijian national.

    Eddie David, 39, has been held in the centre since Friday.

    He said he was born on Murray Island in the Torres Strait, and his claim was backed up by a WA Aboriginal land council.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-09/man-held-in-immigration-detention-claims-he-is-indigenous/6531112

    Now I don’t have access to the Imm. Dept data but I did hear this bloke talking on radio yesterday … sounds more like an aboriginal than an Fijian to me … (strong Koori accent IMO) …

    This struck me as an odd statement too – from a “foreign national” …

    “I am Aboriginal, I am an Australian citizen, born and bred of this land.

    “I shouldn’t be in this detention centre. If it was a fraud, they should have put me in the cell, in the lock-up, in the jail, not a detention centre.”

    The fraud he is referring to is a passport arranged by the – South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council …

    Fairly typical for Liberal governments … detaining and deporting the wrong people …

  307. Lord Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:46 pm

    “………presiding over the lowest level of wages growth outside the GFC ”

    Conveniently forgetting to include the Public Sector.

    Barracking for the Team Bernard

  308. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:48 pm

    So why promote Triggs and disparage a cop on the basis of their qualifications?

    Because the cop is trying to disparage the Professor because ………. haterz gonna hate

  309. June 10, 2015 3:50 pm

    tr”””shoulda coulda woulda”””

    #fascinating team-cheerer, even tho all your bleating on the auto topic translates to `govt-shoulda-paid-the-extortion`

    #and fyi, l don`t need to be reminded of #hep-berries or other law-dodging inflicted on the public from free-trade dumping, l`ve experienced it directly myself

  310. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:51 pm

    Conveniently forgetting to include the Public Sector.,/i>

    Good point Wally.

    One would assume that would make it worst given whats been in the news recently about negotiations there.

  311. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 3:53 pm

    ovt-shoulda-paid-the-extortion

    So, keeping Australian jobs is “extortion”? 😯

    l`ve experienced it directly myself

    And appeared to have learnt ………….. nothing.

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 4:01 pm

    There lots of promises broken, and that was to enterprises the grubmint hadn’t just told to get fucked.

    What promises were broken??

    Actually Holden workers deserved what they got. They were given billions of dollars of taxpayers money promised until 2020 and ended up making cars nobody wanted to buy.

    It was you TomR who destroyed our car manufacturing industry.

  313. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 4:12 pm

    What promises were broken??

    Really ROFL http://www.abbottslies.com.au/

    It was you TomR who destroyed our car manufacturing industry.

    Granted, I wasn’t the Greatest Toolmaker ever, but I wasn’t THAT bad 🙂

    Meanwhile, my work with kenny is done. He complains (constantly) about the ABC not telling stories he wants to hear, but doesn’t like hearing stories he doesn’t like. Especially when they show he continues to lie.

  314. Lord Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 4:17 pm

    “Good point Wally.”

    Private Sector growth is obviously lower due to Union membership deals like the one exposed at the RC.

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 4:20 pm

    Granted, I wasn’t the Greatest Toolmaker ever, but I wasn’t THAT bad

    Yep it was you and the ALP who destroyed our car industry. Subsidies with no accountability do not work. In 2007, 25% of cars were made in Australia. After 6 years of Rudd/Gillard only 10% of cars were made in Australia. You cannot have a local manufacturing industry in anything with 10% of the market.

  316. June 10, 2015 4:38 pm

    l would suggest that cheering mindlessly for `teams` that have sold us all out, and want to keep repeating known failures, are those that have managed to `learn-nothing` #oh-team-cheerer-my-team-cheerer

  317. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 5:01 pm

    that have sold us all out

    says the guy running interference for tobacco killers

    repeating known failures

    Building world best cars is a “failure”?

  318. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2015 5:14 pm

    Building world best cars is a “failure”?

    How come nobody wanted to buy them?

  319. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2015 5:40 pm

    LOL………..seems the CSIRO is finally seeing some sense…..

    “…………Stefan Hajkowicz, the principal scientist working on strategy and foresight at the CSIRO, has written a book Global Megatrends: Seven Patterns of Change Shaping Our Future identifying trends that have the potential to disrupt society as we know it……….”

    “The world doesn’t have a problem of food scarcity. But it does have problem about food distribution.The good news is that the world does have vast energy resources. A recent study found the total non-renewable energy resources (coal, uranium, natural gas and oil combined) will last the world another 574 years.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/the-seven-global-megatrends-that-could-change-our-future/story-fnu2pycd-1227391726908

  320. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2015 5:42 pm

    How come nobody wanted to buy them?

    Cheap imports?

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