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Andrew Wilkie Accuses Abbott Govt of “Crimes Against Humanity”

June 15, 2015

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The following article is by Andrew Wilkie, Independent Member for Denison…

Forget dirty bombs, homegrown terrorists and death cults, the greatest terror-related threat is the Liberal and Labor parties turning Australia into a police state.

Australia’s Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs was right when she warned that over the past 14 years Australian parliaments have passed “scores of laws” that threaten fundamental rights and freedoms.

The shift began after the 2001 terrorist attacks in the US and recently accelerated, putting Australia on a cusp of becoming such a police state.

Before you dismiss this grim diagnosis, let’s step through recent examples. For instance the new national security laws handed the security services a blank cheque, cosigned by the Federal Liberal Government and Labor Opposition, both desperate to beat their chests and look tough on terror. Among other things, these laws lower the threshold for the arrest of individuals from a belief they are about to commit a crime to a suspicion they’re up to no good.

Moreover there’s the new mandatory metadata retention law which requires telecommunications companies like Telstra, Optus and Vodafone to keep records of your electronic footprint for two years including details of what phone calls you’ve made, emails you’ve sent, websites you’ve accessed and even location data from your mobile phone. And, alarmingly, security agencies won’t need a warrant to search this data.

This is an unwarranted extension of the power of government and shamefully it passed the House of Representatives with the support of Labor. Only three people, including me, out of 150 MPs, voted against this legislation.

The major parties are in lock-step over war powers.

Most democracies require their parliament to authorise deployment of military force.

Not Australia, where the Government can declare war.

Liberal and Labor agree on indefinite detention without charge in some circumstances.

Consider this country’s shameful treatment of asylum seekers including the locking up of babies and children in appalling conditions. I’m so concerned about this I asked the International Criminal Court to look into the actions of the Government as possible crimes against humanity.

Then there’s the denigration of people who speak out against these policies. Just look at the Government’s sustained attack on Professor Triggs for simply doing her job and speaking up. This vitriolic display prompted international human rights groups to rebuke the Prime Minister.

More recently a Minister called Senator Sarah Hanson-Young an “embarrassment to this country” after she revealed she was spied on during a visit to Nauru. Treasurer Joe Hockey this week denounced his economic critics as “clowns”. These are the words of bullies, not statesmen.

Fearfulness in a population is a handy ingredient for a police state and the Government is excelling with the assistance of its cheerleaders in the media. For example the front page of a national newspaper screamed recently that Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Islamic State could build a “dirty bomb”, even though the sort of low-level radioactive material supposedly stolen from Iraq’s hospitals by the jihadists isn’t deadly enough to kill anyone, let alone be a weapon of mass destruction.

The truth is Australia helped create Islamic State by joining the invasion of Iraq, causing the conditions for the emergence of these jihadists.

Then there’s the nonsense about stripping Australians of their citizenship, even though the law and common sense compels us to prosecute and punish any Australian breaking an Australian law. Those Australians who think this is a good idea need to understand the Government is talking about having this power itself, rather than the courts, and that is scary. You wouldn’t want to get a Government Minister off-side just in case he de-Australianises you.

What makes Australia’s march to a police state more concerning is the Liberal and Labor parties agree on much of this nonsense. In other words, most politicians in Canberra think our pre-police state is okay and are not about to do anything about it.

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  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 15, 2015 10:43 am

    “The truth is Australia helped create Islamic State by joining the invasion of Iraq, causing the conditions for the emergence of these jihadists.”

    Yet more proof that sentences beginning “The truth is …” are inevitably untrue.

    Herr Wilkie should stick to bastardsing army cadets. Sieg Heil!

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2015 11:12 am

    The Reichstag Fire Decree … issued by German President Paul von Hindenburg in direct response to the Reichstag fire of 27 February 1933.

    The decree nullified many of the key civil liberties of German citizens.

    With Nazis in powerful positions in the German government, the decree was used as the legal basis for the imprisonment of anyone considered to be opponents of the Nazis, and to suppress publications not considered “friendly” to the Nazi cause.

    The decree is considered by historians to be one of the key steps in the establishment of a one-party Nazi state in Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

    So many similarities …

    And to this day no-one believes (or has evidence) that the fire was started by communists …

  3. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2015 12:55 pm

    are inevitably untrue.

    Interesting, because there was the fear at the time against the initial Iraq invasion that this invasion would create a vacuum where those filling the void might just be worst than those we were overthrowing. Chooks home to roost?

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2015 1:34 pm

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2015 2:31 pm

    We are seeing the same operation in australia. Unnamed and anonymous sources [from the government] leak some national security propaganda to the media who then treat it as true and run it exactly as written, without applying any scrutiny to it at all. The media not even asking “in whose interest does this serve”?

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/14/sunday-times-report-snowden-files-journalism-worst-also-filled-falsehoods/

    …Western journalists claim that the big lesson they learned from their key role in selling the Iraq War to the public is that it’s hideous, corrupt and often dangerous journalism to give anonymity to government officials to let them propagandize the public, then uncritically accept those anonymously voiced claims as Truth. But they’ve learned no such lesson. That tactic continues to be the staple of how major US and British media outlets “report,” especially in the national security area. And journalists who read such reports continue to treat self-serving decrees by unnamed, unseen officials – laundered through their media – as gospel, no matter how dubious are the claims or factually false is the reporting…

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2015 8:00 pm

  7. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2015 9:49 pm

    Looks like Triggs is looking for more “treatment”

    Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs has told a ceremony marking the anniversary of Magna Carta that Federal Government “overreach” is eroding Australia’s political system.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-15/gillian-triggs-says-overreach-eroding-political-system/6546524

  8. June 16, 2015 12:18 am

    wilkie””’Forget dirty bombs, homegrown terrorists and death cults, the greatest terror-related threat is the Liberal and Labor parties turning Australia into a police state.””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    wilkie”””new national security laws handed the security services a blank cheque, cosigned by the Federal Liberal Government and Labor Opposition””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    wilkie”””’an unwarranted extension of the power of government and shamefully it passed the House of Representatives with the support of Labor”””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    wilkie””””in lock-step over war powers .. Liberal and Labor agree on indefinite detention without charge”””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    wilkie””””Fearfulness in a population is a handy ingredient for a police state and the Government is excelling with the assistance of its cheerleaders in the media.”””” #teabag.panic #teabag.media

    wilkie””””Australia helped create Islamic State by joining the invasion of Iraq, causing the conditions”””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    wilkie”””’What makes Australia`s march to a police state more concerning is the Liberal and Labor parties agree on much of this nonsense”””” #teabag.verses.teabag.lite

    #it`s nice to see wilkie has collected my comments and included them in his post, it`s also good to see wilkie acknowledge that there isn`t any difference between the #teabags and the #teabag.lites which l point-out so often

  9. June 16, 2015 6:47 pm

    Couldn’t agree more.

    But consquirtatives thrive on being scared & shepherded by fear mongering cabals, like the current government, as it happens.

    Can’t see the wood for the fucking trees, as per usual.

  10. June 16, 2015 6:48 pm

    Fear Is The Mindkiller

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2015 7:02 pm

    Hear! Hear!

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2015 9:57 pm

    People smuggler cash: Stacks police say were paid to send asylum seekers on a ‘suicide mission’:
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/people-smuggler-cash-stacks-police-say-were-paid-to-send-asylum-seekers-on-a-suicide-mission-20150616-ghpa36

    …And in a blistering attack, the head of the people smuggling division of Nusa Tenggara Timur province, Ibrahim, said sending 65 asylum seekers back to Indonesia on two boats with just a drum of fuel each was akin to “a suicide mission”, asking: “Where is the humanity?”

    He said the boat had hit a reef and been stranded off Landu island, and if it had been high tide it would have been too dangerous for the local villagers to rescue the asylum seekers.

    In other revelations, the police officers told Fairfax Media the asylum seeker boat was intercepted by the navy warship HMAS Wollongong and an Australian customs boat in international waters…

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 9:13 am

  14. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2015 12:10 pm

    “”Bribery allegations constitute prima facie case of Abuse of Public Office S142.2 Criminal Code””

    That”s Crap !

    Our long standing National Security legislation specifically exempts ASIS and ASIO officers from prosecution when carrying out their duties.

  15. June 17, 2015 12:22 pm

    “” exempts ASIS and ASIO officers from prosecution when carrying out their duties.””

    So as long as “bribing ppl smugglers with taxpayer funded wads of cash” is on their position description I guess they’re covered…

  16. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2015 12:31 pm

    “I guess they’re covered…”

    Yep !

    There are a number of exemptions apparently.

    Afterall what’s the use of being a spy if you cant bribe for info then sneak up on someone and drive a cold sharpened blade (fashioned from Aussie iron ore) into their throat.

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2015 12:41 pm

    Once again lefties are being annoying. This stuff went on under Rudd/Gillard. The Indonesians wife had her phone tapped apparently under Rudd.

    But lefties only get out of bed when the Coalition is in power.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 1:25 pm

    “Gillard warned not to trust Shorten”

    Well, imagine that!

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 3:07 pm

    This stuff went on under Rudd/Gillard.

    I hope you have a link to back that up nil, else, you’re just bullshitting again.

    And, remember, paying criminals to be informants is not the same as paying criminals to be criminals

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2015 3:28 pm

    It’s too subtle a distinction for some folk … TR

  21. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 3:52 pm

    It’s too subtle a distinction for some folk

    constant reminders is all I have though TB 😉

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 4:53 pm

    One of Australia’s biggest builders paid Bill Shorten’s union nearly $300,000 after he struck a workplace deal that cut conditions and saved the company as much as $100 million on a major Melbourne road project.
    A Fairfax Media investigation has uncovered large payments from joint venture builder Thiess John Holland to the Australian Workers Union when Mr Shorten, now opposition leader, ran the union.
    The payments started soon after work began on the $2.5 billion East Link tollway in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs in 2005.

    Everyone knows why this payment was made – the AWU was broke and signed an agreement that contained rates and conditions below the target union settlements at the time.

    It made them unpopular with other unions, but the influx of membership and cash helped the union survive.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bill-shortens-union-took-hundreds-of-thousands-from-building-company-20150617-ghq5si.html

  23. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:03 pm

    struck a workplace deal that cut conditions

    I call bullshit!

    Again.

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:14 pm

    Everyone knows that the AWU deal for the construction of the tollway undercut the going rates..

    Theiss guys were really pleased with themselves when they cut the deal.

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:42 pm

    undercut the going rates.

    The going rates? Or the rates another Union was asking for?

    Fucken hilarious, last time, the Unions were wrecking the country because of unreasonable demands. Now, the Unions in the shit for NOT making unreasonable demands.

    Central to the East Link deal was the elimination of industry conditions routinely demanded by AWU arch-rival the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:46 pm

    And BTW …

    QUEENSLANDER!

    GO MAROONS!

  27. June 17, 2015 6:46 pm

    The likes of Neil won’t be happy until the minimum wage is abandoned as a concept and they’re living on $2 an hour…

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2015 6:48 pm

    … they’re living on $2 an hour… and all those Russian scientists are in an orange boat …

  29. June 17, 2015 7:02 pm

    Ahahaha…

    Sad, but probably true.

    What sort of experiments did those dastardly Russian Scientists subject poor Kneel to, to burden him with such prejudice? One can only wonder.

    As for the minimum wage, fuck everyone who wants to erode conditions of people who actually have, and want to keep, a job.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:09 pm

    Tom R, in Victoria construction unions caucus to agree on their claims for the next EBA round. They then round up some of the least resistant employers to agree, they then press other contractors, following the line of least resistance.

    AWU did a very contentious deal that undercut this position. That’s the reality, get over it.

  31. June 17, 2015 7:12 pm

    The lefties are annoying YomM too, it seems.

  32. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:12 pm

    That’s the reality, get over it.

    Shorten negotiated a deal that was above award the rates and that was accepted by his members and that was accepted by the companies and it was all done above the board

    That’s the reality, get over it.

  33. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:16 pm

    Just saw this on the nightly news under the heading “WIN, WIN, WIN”

    Seems they forgot to mention some things

  34. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:18 pm

    The lefties are annoying YomM too, it seems.

    Nasty Fat Leftieses

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:22 pm

    “that was accepted by his members

    Are you sure???

    Have you heard of greenfields agreements????

  36. June 17, 2015 7:25 pm

    I’m finding it hard to understand the smear gripe, if the workforce signed off on the Agreement; which is how it works, from personal experience.

    Must admit, I haven’t paid a lot of attention to this, we have our own (escalating) EBA negotiations going on (can’t comment on specifics, commercial in confidence, but it’s ugly & nasty).
    I see the Union RC as a Coalition attack by incumbent tool…apart from a legitimate scrutiny of Union corruption (which few would dispute).

  37. June 17, 2015 7:26 pm

    “Have you heard of greenfields agreements????”

    Yes.

    Why all the ???????????

  38. June 17, 2015 7:27 pm

    The world needs more Wilkies, btw.

  39. June 17, 2015 7:29 pm

    “Have you heard of greenfields agreements????”

    Is that the toon the ice cream van plays?

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:32 pm

    Lots of ???? because

    o My recollection was that the agreement was quite contentious at the time. CFMEU particularly was unhappy with the deal.

    o As it was a greenfields agreement, there were no employees to vote for or against it. It was agreed before any work (or employees) started… signed off by the union without any employee vote.

    Shorten had a reputation as being quite devious and ambitious, even for a union official!

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:33 pm

    By the way, I just paid for my 49 year old MG!

    I’ll collect it when I’m back from my surf safari.

  42. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:43 pm

    Lots of ???? because

    o My recollection ….

    Is clouded by the most partisan blinkers here, including even nIl.

    the agreement was quite contentious at the time.

    But, of course, the papers had to wait until Shorten was opposition leader and looking good for the next election to “ask questions”

    Why not ask yabot where his citizenship papers are?

    How his daughter got a scholarship?

    Or a house for that matter?

  43. June 17, 2015 7:47 pm

    “It was agreed before any work (or employees) started… signed off by the union without any employee vote.”

    Does sound fishy, but needs context.

    I do defer to your obvious experience in such things, although I doubt you’ve ever been on my side of the equation.

  44. June 17, 2015 7:48 pm

    I still think the RC is a partisan attack upon the Coalition’s natural enemies…because, it is.

  45. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:50 pm

    apart from a legitimate scrutiny of Union corruption (which few would dispute).

    The only problem is, the witch hunt isn’t finding it, it is Union people coming forward away from it that exposes it, when it does occur.

    The witch hunt is a circle jerk of over paid spivs tossing over straight forward arrangements like the latest smear on Shorten, and leaking dribbles of crap that our journos pounce on without any consideration for the motive (I hope)

    THE Transport Workers’ Union has demanded that the Royal Commission on Trade Unions end its attack on the union and its members after the ACCC today found there was no anti-competitive agreements with logistics firm Toll.

    http://www.bigrigs.com.au/news/money-wasted-royal-commission-says-twu/2673869/

    Meanwhile, while Unions like the TWU are tied up with the with hunt, the carnage on our roads just gets worst. And the TWU is too busy with this cluster fuck to really do anything else.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:51 pm

    No the questions come up because Cesar Melham looked particularly dodgy and evasive.

    Melham was Shorten’s chosen successor.

    It’s reasonable that people have a look at other dodgy stuff following this.

  47. June 17, 2015 7:52 pm

    “How his daughter got a scholarship?”

    At least as fishy, especially given he’s the ‘leader’ *cough of the country.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 7:52 pm

    HD, I’ve worked for a couple of unions back when I was idealistic. Unions knock that out of anyone.

  49. June 17, 2015 7:57 pm

    And yet, without them the average employee stands to get fucking pillaged.

  50. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:03 pm

    Does sound fishy,

    If the right language is emplyed, it always will, eg “a workplace deal that cut conditions ”

    but needs context.

    You won’t be finden none of that in our papers. It spoils the mood 😉

    Unions knock that out of anyone.

    Unions are hard work, no doubt. They fight the employers, they fight each other, and often, they fight their members. After all, not all members agree all the time. It is a hard yard of negotiating in the trenches with real people and real issues. Which is why, imo, those who have come through are ideally suited to politics and negotiations.

    Of course, some gut out of hard work, and take the easy route on corporate side, where money can buy the leverage they want to do the work for them. Not everyones built for the hard yards yomm 😉

  51. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:04 pm

  52. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:07 pm

    No the questions come up because .. yabot needed to spend more tax payers money smearing his political opponents

    And our media lap it up, the gormless tools.

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:38 pm

    People like Shorten have always been conflicted about their legitimate responsibilities as a union official, and their unsavourly role as an ambitious hack/powerbroker/warlord

  54. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:50 pm

    People like Shorten have always been conflicted about their legitimate responsibilities as a union official

    Yea, that’s obviously why he was negotiating such large agreements, his “unsavourly” (?) nature ROFL

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 8:59 pm

    “It was agreed before any work (or employees) started… signed off by the union without any employee vote.”

    I don’t like unions doing deals without the members input and agreement. They certainly should not be agreeing to any reduced conditions or wages like the shoppies in SA just tried to do.They should be transparent and open when negotiating with employers. As far as I’m concerned they have no authority to do deals with the employer behind closed doors, it has to be taken to the members.

    And yet, without them the average employee stands to get fucking pillaged.

    We all know that employers are just aching to give decent wages and conditions in this country 😉

    Of course, some gut out of hard work, and take the easy route on corporate side, where money can buy the leverage they want to do the work for them.

    Some even turn traitor and become corporate consultants, where they make big money advising companies on union operations and how to keep union influence away from the workers.

    I agree the union RC is a witch hunt to try and kneecap the unions.

    I just hope that Labor remembers all of the Libs abuses of power and legal system when they are next in government. The libs don’t mind shonks and criminal behaviour themselves, they just never get called on it. Somehow the AFP never gets around to any investigations when it comes to the grubby ‘ends justifies the means’ libs. Perhaps the RC could go a lot further in digging into their funding arrangements and follow the money trail with their associated entities and dodgy donations..

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 9:12 pm

    I have no faith in shorten going for the jugular with the coalition, he annoys me with his try hard smarminess and his mr. affable persona, I think he could be labor’s weakest link. Will they have the guts to change leaders before the next election?

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 9:16 pm

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 9:20 pm

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2015 9:26 pm

    AO – if all I did was advise companies about how to avoid union problems, I’d have been out of business years ago.

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 10:32 pm

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2015 10:32 pm

    The lefties are annoying YomM too, it seems.

    Unions and workers are not supposed to engage in the free market concepts of supply and demand …

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2015 10:42 pm

  63. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:21 am

    Looks like fairfax has decided to help out the libs by upping their smear against Shorten, with an editorial ruminating on their previous ruminations of the fact that a Union deal scored thousands of jobs, made sure the project came in early and under budget and created a model for negotiation that is still in force today.

    The position of Bill Shorten as federal Labor leader is becoming untenable.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/bill-shorten-should-consider-his-future-amid-awu-revelations-20150617-ghq7r5.html

    Apparently, getting better deals for workers that also hep projects to run better makes one “untenable”?

    Mr Shorten should respond to the questions immediately, in full, rather than wait until he fronts the royal commission into trade union corruption in late August.

    Questions again. What were they, oh, you forgot to ask them again, didn’t you. Of course, since he is appearing before a royal witch hunt, it is pretty obvious he would be stupid to answer anything you ask if you got around to it before he did it there. It also begs the question, where are you getting these “documents” from?

    Fucken hilarious that just recently it was the Unions who (allegedly) have been grinding our country to a stand still, yet, when we look, we see that BECAUSE of the Unions, projects are actually improving, and now, this is apparently BAD!

    The unhingement has begun again. On the bright side, if the media is so upset with Shorten, then he’s doing something right. I read yesterday that fairfax would do an ‘expose’ on Shorten in the next few days. Looks like I read that correctly as “smear”

    They said that they would expose who he is, yet all they will do is raise “Questions to Answer” that, like Gillard, are not questions, and require no answer, as the history is already there to see.

  64. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:25 am

    Meanwhile, with fairfax deliberate campaign against hte opposition leader, this kind of thing is being ignored by them. This is what happens when you start playing king maker. We saw how that ended last time, and here they go again.

    Foreign workers have been exploited and underpaid at one of Australia’s biggest chicken processors, according to an investigation by the Fair Work Ombudsman.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/foreign-workers-exploited-at-baiada-plant-investigation-reveals/6554570

    And this should be the big item news of the day, as our grubmint has just finished selling us off overseas. Is there any way back?

    Unions and industry groups say the free trade deal between Australia and China will put jobs at risk.
    ……..
    “Free trade agreements must support local jobs and industry and all indications are that the deal with China does not.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/free-trade-agreement-with-china-puts-local-jobs-at-risk-unions/6554460

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:26 am

    “Why not ask yabot where his citizenship papers are?”

    Tom R is a birther!

    “The witch hunt is a circle jerk of over paid spivs tossing over straight forward arrangements yadyadayada”

    Shorter Tom R: Back off! This is Unionland.

    You can’t inquire into Unionland corruption and you can’t hold Unionland leaders to ordinary disclosure standards so you most definitely cannot hold Unionland leaders accountable. Capiche?

  66. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:37 am

    Tom R is a birther!

    Birthers were people who kept thinking there was a problem AFTER the evidence proving it was brought forward. I’m just asking for evidence.

    You can’t inquire into Unionland corruption

    They have, and what have they found?

    That cops don’t know what fucken evidence is, and that bikies are used by builders to threaten workers.

    Apart from that, they did manage to clear Gillards name, and make every tool going after her look like a …….. tool

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:37 am

    “The world needs more Wilkies, btw.”

    Yes. He was trying to create them by demanding his cadets give him the Nazi salute.

    “And yet, without them the average employee stands to get fucking pillaged.”

    Sounds like what is happening now. Quick blame the messenger. Shut it down. We can’t have the disinfectant of sunlight in the Unionland sewer.

    The best of both worlds would be to keep the unions but to impose similar obligations on Union officials as apply to company directors. Labor and the Greens think otherwise and voted accordingly. That’s the way things go down in Unionland. So it will be business as usual in Unionland – shady deals in dark places, workers sold down the river. These days the raison d’etre of unions is as a stepping stone for ambitious chancers to jump onto the greasy pole of politics.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:40 am

    “Meanwhile, with fairfax deliberate campaign against the opposition leader,”

    Scary stuff. They were hammering the Coalition the day before. Yikes! We might have another unbiased news organisation on our hands. That must scare the shit out of ALP trolls like you, Tom R.

  69. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:41 am

    Quick blame the messenger.

    The “messenger” is not providing an unbiased message though, is it. It is printing only carefully leaked documents from … where, that tell us nothing except that Shorten and his Union achieved a lot of positives for workers, and our economy.

    That the “messenger” refuse to even consider this is telling.

  70. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:42 am

    They were hammering the Coalition the day before.

    They were reporting what was coming out of Indonesia. It looks bad for the libs because it IS bad.

    This is just their own ruminations about Union deals with workers and employers that benefit both, something that has been going on for years, and should go on for years.

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:43 am

    “So Shorten & the AWU are shonky for doing the sort of workplace flexibility deal employers & the Coalition are always demanding unions make?”

    So what is wrong with the members knowing about the kickbacks? Sunlight is to Unionland also what is to vampires.

  72. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:47 am

    We might have another unbiased news organisation on our hands.

    When they do an “expose” on yabot, then I’ll consider the fact that they might not be biased.

    They did just used to be shit, but now..

    Why not ask yabot to prove he is an Aussie citizen only.

    Why not ask him how his daughter got a scholarship while the institution got taxpayer dollars?

    Why not ask him about Ashby?

    Pauline Hanson?

  73. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:48 am

    So what is wrong with the members knowing about the kickbacks?

    It was publicly declared. Why wouldn’t they know?

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:50 am

    Dunnno. But the ALP arse-lickers are going ape-shit about it making headlines.

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 8:51 am

    Besides, you should be glad of the public humiliation of Little Billy Two Knives. How else can he be made to resign before the next election?

  76. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 9:00 am

    But the ALP arse-lickers are going ape-shit about it making headlines.

    Headlines that are nothing but more “Questions to answer”

    Here’s a thought, if the “journalist” was so worried about hte deal and it’s impact, why didn’t they put the actual deal up so readers can see for themselves just how bad it is?

    It’s not like it’s secret or anything. Publish the deal you are using as a smear so people can see for themselves.

    Of course, that just might make the smear less effective.

    you should be glad of the public humiliation of Little Billy Two Knives.

    As I said above, it proves he is doing the right thing imo

  77. June 18, 2015 9:05 am

    “Yes. He was trying to create them by demanding his cadets give him the Nazi salute.”

    Of course, what I meant was that the world needs more whistleblowers who are brave enough to openly defy the government of the day’s narrative; ala Wilkie on Iraq intelligence, many years ago. I believe Bolt was the governments tool of choice to then smear & leak against Wilkie in retaliation.
    We can’t have the plebs getting contrarian alternative information when we’re trying to march off to ill conceived foreign invasions now, can we.

    I couldn’t give a fuck about what Wilkie said or did at Duntroon (presumably). It is irrelevant; and the fact it’s even public just highlights how his recalcitrance against the then government lead to his sliming.

    Instead of protecting whistleblowers, the current government, aided by supine ALP, has gone out of its way to legislate heavily against such public service.
    Operational matters are not a free pass.

  78. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:02 am

    btw TB, nice Guernsey

    was there a game of something on recently?

  79. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:11 am

    Looks like Bullshit Bill’s week just got worse…………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-powerbrokers-lose-control-with-reform-back-on-the-agenda-20150617-ghqeiy.html

    Looking forward to the ALP taking to the next election a New Carbon Tax, Open Border Policy, Huge Government Expenditure promises requiring major tax increases with Crazy Tanya as leader.

    The Greens are looking more credible……………..ROFLMAO

  80. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:13 am

    “They were reporting what was coming out of Indonesia. It looks bad for the libs because it IS bad.”

    LOL

    The electorate does not give a flying ratsarse about it because its stopping the boats. And to be lectured to by the Indos about bribery is Comedy Gold

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:27 am

    A good question for the Walrus: Why is it socially acceptable to be an accountant?

  82. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:29 am

    This is what happens when militant Unions make humans inflexible and too expensive……………..

    Excellent news !

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydneys-patrick-terminal-goes-automated-with-fewer-staff-but-dancing-robots-20150617-ghqc24.html

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:30 am

    A better question is why it is socially acceptable to be a leftist i.e. a prattling idiot whose stupidity is exceeded only by their narcissism.

  84. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:31 am

    Leading businessman Tony Shepherd has strongly defended Bill Shorten, saying a deal he negotiated in 2005 to build the $2.5 billion EastLink road project in Melbourne delivered workers one of the highest rates of pay for any urban construction project and finished the project ahead of schedule.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-shepherd-backs-bill-shorten-over-eastlink-worker-sellout-claims-20150618-ghqu18?stb=twt

    The electorate does not give a flying ratsarse about it

    I don’t disagree, I just don’t see how perceptions affect the reality of what is happening. churnalists are supposed to report what is happening, not what they think their readers want to be happening (or what they want to be happening)

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:34 am

    When a current leader has a history of questionable ethics, Tom R prefers that the press (or even blog commentators) don’t probe this, unless it involves the conservatives.

  86. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:34 am

    sb prattles about why it is socially acceptable to be a leftist i.e. a prattling idiot ROFL

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:38 am

    By the way I thought the AWU deal on eastlink was fine, it did provide for continuous construction. This meant less public disruption and earlier access to the road.

    But I wasn’t aware of the payments to the AWU which taint the deal.

  88. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:40 am

    When a current leader has a history of questionable ethics

    Really yomm, what is “questionable” about it?

    “The site allowances on that agreement were very low when compared to what the CFMEU would have expected,” one construction figure said on Wednesday. “But the deal; was by no means, second rate and the workers were not disadvantaged.”

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/australian-workers-union-received-134500-employer-donation-under-bill-shorten-20150617-ghqmok

  89. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:41 am

  90. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:41 am

    But I wasn’t aware of the payments to the AWU which taint the deal.

    You mean the publicly available payments that were provided to the electoral commission way back when.

    Those ones?

  91. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:43 am

    “A good question for the Walrus………”

    LOL

    I’ve done my penance for it. Many a time when I was young and handsome I’d engage a pretty girl in conversation only to see her eyes glaze over after she enquired about my job.

    My friends used to call me “Anaphylaxis Shock” such was the effect on many of the mere mention of my career

    From Wiki………………………

    Anaphylaxis Shock:
    Gastrointestinal symptoms may include crampy abdominal pain, diarrhea, and vomiting.There may be confusion, a loss of bladder control or pelvic pain similar to that of uterine cramps.Dilation of blood vessels around the brain may cause headaches. A feeling of anxiety or of “impending doom” has also been described.

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:44 am

    “publicly available payments “

    Where can I get mine? 🙂

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:47 am

    Unions like CFMEU, ETU & AMWU hated the deal.

    But what would they know about construction industry agreements?

  94. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:48 am

    Where can I get mine?

    Best check with yomm 😉

  95. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:50 am

    Unions like CFMEU, ETU & AMWU hated the deal.

    It’s called losing.

    Funny, I thought these Unions were bankrupting our country. Now, they are the arbitrators of what’s right ROFL

  96. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:09 am

    So yomm, what is “questionable” about it?

    Still waiting 🙂

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:11 am

    A union cuts a deal that undercuts the going conditions and it’s strongly criticised by other unions and the deal saves the company huge $$$$$$$ and the union gets a huge payment from the company… Tom R says there’s nothing of interest.

  98. June 18, 2015 11:16 am

    Safe to say, the Union bashers on here are probably lone rangers who don’t work in environments where Unionism is essential to avoiding exploitation.

    Hammering Shorten is one thing, generalising about Unionism is something else entirely.

  99. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:17 am

    A union cuts a deal that undercuts the going conditions

    Perhaps look to facts yomm, not journalistic beat ups

    “The site allowances on that agreement were very low when compared to what the CFMEU would have expected,” one construction figure said on Wednesday. “But the deal; was by no means, second rate and the workers were not disadvantaged.”

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/australian-workers-union-received-134500-employer-donation-under-bill-shorten-20150617-ghqmok

    Under the three year workplace deal, pay rates started at three per cent above the award rate rising to 14 per cent over three years. It provided for a 36-hour week, double-time on Saturdays, 9 per cent superannuation and a number of site and travel allowances While the number of fixed RDOs was halved, the total number of days to be claimed as RDOs remained at 26, with 13 of the days to be flexible.

    So, it didn’t undercut going conditions , it undercut what the CFMEU wanted.

  100. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:24 am

    And, the good news today is…

    Is America baulking about taking too much away from us?

    Or are they worried that we just gave it all away to China before they could get it.

    OK, perhaps I’ll go read it

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:43 am

    I’m reasonably quite comfortable with the employer friendly provisions of the agreement Shorten signed, but it should be noted that-
    • The construction industry had a standard of a minimum flat contribution to super. This meant people on lower wages and casuals would get higher employer contributions. Shorten made an agreement that discontinued this.
    • Unions had spent years pursuing fixed RDOs – their argument was that workers should have some certainty about the timing of their days off and plan their leisure. Shorten’s deal stopped this.
    • Construction rates were well above the award. Shorten’s deal wasn’t.
    • It was a greenfield agreement, meaning there were no workers to vote on the agreement
    • Shorten’s union got HUGE $$$$$ from the employers who got the financial benefit of the deal

    While he may have a great explanation to all this, I think it’s reasonable that Shorten be pressed to justify his actions. But it will be hilarious if he just says “no comment” until August.

    The odour around former union leaders and their associates is damaging to the ALP.

  102. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 11:51 am

    Shorten made an agreement that discontinued this.

    READ: Shorten made an agreement that increased this

    Shorten’s deal stopped this.

    READ: Shorten’s deal halved this. Same number of RDO’s, more flexibility

    Construction rates were well above the award. Shorten’s deal wasn’t.

    READ: take yomms word for this ROFL

    Shorten’s union got HUGE $$$$$ from the employers who got the financial benefit of the deal

    READ: ALL Unions got money from companies for deals.

    The odour around former union leaders and their associates is ….. entirely fabricated and Union Haterz are happy to spread the Hatez

    Unfortunately, reality doesn’t gel.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:15 pm

    I’m happy with increased flexibility – and the fixed RDOs I construction were a problem.

    BUT, I didn’t like the change to superannuation. I had considered the minimum contribution to be a good idea – it encouraged employers to try to find ongoing jobs, rather than lazily use casuals – turning them on and off. It also topped up their super, to a higher level than would apply under SGL.

    But Shorten offloaded this, and you support him.

    Good for you!

  104. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:15 pm

    READ : ALL looks shit for Shorten if he fails to discuss before he goes before the RC.

    READ: All looks shit for Shorten after already being labelled as untrustworthy on Killing Season

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:20 pm

    “ALL Unions got money from companies for deals. “

    QED

  106. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:23 pm

    All looks shit for Shorten after already being labelled as untrustworthy

    I AGREE!

    regardless of if he is or isn’t. Hartcher has already decided, and then printed it.

    Will fairfax be back in court?

    it encouraged employers to try to find ongoing jobs, rather than lazily use casuals

    ROFL

    Shorten got a better deal on super, and this is BAD ROFL

    It also topped up their super, to a higher level than would apply under SGL.

    Unless this means something? SGL?

  107. June 18, 2015 12:25 pm

    LOL…

    “”Tony Abbott is facing fresh internal discontent, after reports he will not take a revised version of the contentious citizenship laws back to Cabinet….””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-18/reports-pm-will-not-show-revised-citizenship-laws-to-cabinet/6555258

  108. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:25 pm

    SGL = Super Guarantee

  109. armchair opionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:28 pm

    “…When a current leader has a history of questionable ethics…”

    Tony Abbott? He sure does, but the media refuses to highlight any of the questions that need to be asked re his past dirty deeds and thuggery.

    Thanks for that link toilet re wilkie, it really shows how the AFP is completely compromised & politicised. They need to be cleaned out. They work in league with the libs and refuse to investigate their illegal skullduggery.
    Certainly not good for democracy or any statuatory body that is supposedly independent. Look at the faux outrage over Triggs. Seems if the bodies are not in the libs pocket and do their jobs properly it’s not acceptable to them.

  110. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:31 pm

    QED

    Yes, probably not all, I overstepped there. But, it is not uncommon. And definitely not illegal.

    SGL = Super Guarantee

    Cheers wally. So, Shorten got above conditions for super, and yomm thinks it’s bad. It also negates the argument about him making conditions worst

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:36 pm

    No.

    Did Shorten get above the standard rate for super?

  112. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 12:41 pm

    Did Shorten get above the standard rate for super?

    He got the standard rate for the time

  113. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 1:04 pm

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 1:47 pm

    No problem Tom R. When you say – “Shorten got a better deal on super… ”

    What you mean is – “he got the standard rate for the time”

    Hilarious and great work by Bill!

  115. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:02 pm

    Hilarious and great work by Bill!

    So when you say “questionable”, you mean?

  116. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:02 pm

    Tanya’s favourite DVD…………………………………..?

    “Kill Bill”

  117. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:09 pm

    “Kill Bill”

    Get Shorty?

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:29 pm

    Trainspotting?

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:35 pm

    Rudd redux: MPs fear Bill Shorten doing a Kevin

    For Labor MPs who saw the decline of Rudd’s dominance as a result of an obsession with “owning” the news cycle — and the subjugation of strategy to tactics — there is a frightening parallel emerging.

    Some Labor people say the Opposition Leader only “wants to win the nightly news” while ­others bemoan a lack of strategy and policy development.

    Others eerily complain that Shorten is not listening to his senior and experienced colleagues, but prefers the advice of staffers and advisers.

    Some Labor MPs have also started to complain that they and their staff are being abused.

    But the real complaint is that Shorten only has an eye to winning the evening television news, just as Rudd did, to the detriment of his government and leadership.

    What they are really worried about is that when they ditch him (as they surely must) Blib will, like Rudd before him, go completely feral.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:42 pm

    I love “rags to riches” stories … here’s one about those “old, white, male”, property magnates … who got no help from her family at all … LOL!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/sydney-property-investment-guru-stephanie-brennan-has-23-million-portfolio-aged-24/story-fndban6l-1227403856040

    “Anyone can do it” … oh, how they cut me up … 🙂

  121. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 2:58 pm

    Miss Brennan has not been given any cash by her parents

    I think there was a few caveats to that TB 😉

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:02 pm

    “I love “rags to riches” stories “

    I love stories that encourage people to get off their arses. Humans are by nature optimists. Leftists hate that. They would rather divide society and foment social strife than see people take responsibility for their lives and have a red hot go.

    I hate the whining negativity of the victim pimps which fucks up peoples’ lives by reducing them to a state of learned helplessness.

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:04 pm

    And out comes the jeer squad!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:07 pm

    I think there was a few caveats to that TB

    I see I was not the only one … the $125 a month pocket money made me chuckle … when we were working our business, I asked The Minister (she was the Business Manager and a top notch book-keeper) if I could have “pocket money” – it’s hard to buy surprise presents when everything goes past the recipient! So for the last 20 years I’ve had $100 a month (naturally, The Minister gets the same) …

    Maybe I should start looking at small units or blocks of dirt in the outer suburbs?

  125. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:10 pm

    I love stories that encourage people to get off their arses

    Yep, all you need is a childhood where you get $125 a month pocket money, a granny with a lazy $50k, parents who are willing/able to go guarantor, and then lie about your education to the papers

    I mean, why hte fuck don’t people just get of their arses and get born to rich mining magnates ffs!

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:14 pm

    And out comes the jeer squad!

    The reality squad actually … anyone can do it … as if …

    Miss Brennan has not been given any cash by her parents, and she is even aiming to retire by 30.

    She saved most of her wages, along with $125 a month pocket money and birthday money — though she has indulged in travelling more recently and has visited 23 countries.

    Aged just 20, she became a policy adviser to politician Bronwyn Bishop before starting her own business consultancy …

    And while Miss Brennan admits her family is wealthy, she said she never received any financial help.

    “I was privileged in the sense that my sister and I were educated at one of Sydney’s finest private schools and we never struggled,” she said.

    Miss Brennan took a $55,000 a year job at a real estate agent to learn as much as she could and bought her first property on her 22nd birthday in October 2012, in Manly Vale, for $386,000, after originally being turned down for a mortgage.

    Though she had around $100,000 in savings she persuaded her mother to go guarantor for $60,000 with the Belrose family home — meaning she didn’t pay any deposit at all.

    Four months later she put $80,000 of her savings on her second place in Collaroy.

    Next, she bought a plot of land on a nature reserve in Glencoe, Scotland, with $50,000 left to her by her grandparents. She’s never visited but land in Scotland comes with a title, which makes her a Lady.

    She’s moved home with her mother, Cathy, who is divorced from her father, while she gets Step Loans off the ground.

    Pretty obvious attempt at geeing up the cheer squad … and obviously worked …

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:30 pm

    I didn’t comment on that particular story but rather on the miserabilist world view of the left.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:39 pm

    I didn’t comment on that particular story but rather on the miserabilist world view of the left.

    I gathered that (you couldn’t have) … it just fit in so nicely and precisely …

    I do like the list of advice tho’ … particularly number three …

    3. Some banks accept a relative’s house as guarantee or cash as security instead of a deposit, which means the banks will lend 105% — purchase price plus costs.

    What’s the opposite of miserabilist? (Is it even a word!)

    Oh! I know … Robber Baron! 🙂

  129. public toilet permalink
    June 18, 2015 3:49 pm

    As opposed to the fear squad & the incontinence of the right and its apparent need for boogeymen to cower beneath.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 4:43 pm

    He is broadly accused of making agreements with companies which bolstered the power of the AWU and his own political influence, at the expense of better outcomes for members in the workplace.

    There has been no suggestion of illegality by Mr Shorten, and one of his agreements today was highly praised as a model for deals by Tony Shepherd, a senior Australian business figure and adviser to the Abbott Government.

    Mr Shorten’s lawyer Leon Zwie today asked for the early hearing in a letter to the solicitor assisting the Commission, James Beaton.

    “Without waiving Mr Shorten’s legal professional privilege, Mr Shorten has been advised by me not to answer questions or comment on the issues that may be the subject of his appearance before the Commission,” Mr Zwie has written.

    “Mr Shorten has therefore instructed me to write to you to request that the Commission bring forward the date of his proposed appearance from August/September to July when the Parliament is in winter recess.

    “Mr Shorten desires to bring forward the date of his appearance so that he may address all issues of interest to the Commission at the earliest mutually convenient time.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/labor-leader-asks-inquiry-to-bring-forward-his-appearance-so-he-can-clear-his-name/story-fn5tas5k-1227403950107

    Sounds reasonable to me … but this sounds like shite!

    broadly accusedThere has been no suggestion of illegality by Mr Shorten,

    Each way bet or BS … 😕

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 5:11 pm

    Taking HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the employers you are negotiating has a bit of a whiff.

    But then, as Tom R points out, he did a sensational job in negotiating superannuation right up to the statutory minimum.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 5:29 pm

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 5:35 pm

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 5:40 pm

    Taking HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the employers …

    You have evidence of this? I mean evidence …

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 6:07 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 6:07 pm

  137. June 18, 2015 6:11 pm
  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 6:58 pm

    Oh! The HYPOCRISY!

    I do hope there is a hell … or even purgatory … what clever concepts religious zealots create …

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 7:07 pm

    Some companies should not exist, this is the other side of the IR coin. As far as I can see they get a slap on the wrist when they should be going to jail for exploiting workers and illegal activity. Is the watchdog another toothless tiger.

    Where’s the RC into business behaviour in australia?

    “we extend an invitation”

    🙄

    Chicken plant workers exploited: watchdog scathing of Baiada
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/chicken-plant-workers-exploited-watchdog-scathing-of-baiada-20150617-ghq28d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-13omn1677-edtrl-other:nnn-17/02/2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o&sa=D&usg=ALhdy28zsr6qiq

    …”In particular, we ask Baiada​ to publicly declare that it has an ethical, moral and social responsibility to join with the Fair Work Ombudsman to stamp out exploitation of vulnerable workers at its work sites, and we extend an invitation to Baiada​ to join with us in a compliance partnership.

    “In my view, Baiada​ and others in this supply chain now need to consider the legal, moral and ethical implications of continuing to operate in a manner that fails to deliver workers their minimum entitlements.”

    The report follows a three-year campaign by the ombudsman targeting the company which, the watchdog claims has failed to provide any meaningful help or explanation of its labour contract arrangements, which hampered enforcement…

  140. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2015 7:28 pm

    Taking HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the employers you are negotiating has a bit of a whiff.

    You mean the Union (READ members) get $300 Thousand (for fees, training etc), which saves the company over $1million (in productivity gains), on a job worth over $3 Billion??

    Is that the HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of which you speak?

    The HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that was publicly declared all those years ago?

    That HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ???????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    broadly accused

    They are probably right. They are also probably right that the CFMEU could be broadly accused of winning other agreements.

    broadly 😉

    But yes, he is on road to nowhere, with an outlet from one medias arm running an editorial declaring he must resign because he made agreements that made workers worst of, while another arm of the same media outlet tells us how much better off those workers were.

    What hope anyone in that environment.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2015 7:53 pm

    What hope anyone in that environment.

    Pretty much how the, Abbott Crash Works, operate too, the left BS doesn’t know about the right BS … so everyone’s confused … with journos I suppose it depends on who’s being fed at the time … and by whom …

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2015 9:31 pm

    Freudian slip “they never did a single Turnbull”

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2015 10:08 pm

    What hope anyone in that environment.

    Yeah!!

    Why should a union hack explain anything when they make an agreement that guarantees the minimum rate of superannuation and gets them BIG $$$$$$$ and has the added benefit of not needing any pesky members to vote for it!

  144. Goods and Services permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:30 am

    “Ultimately, we can learn a lot from our primate cousins, not only about their personalities, but about personality itself – not to mention learning a thing or two about ourselves and the social environment in which we evolved.”

  145. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 8:10 am

    that guarantees the minimum rate of superannuation and gets them BIG $$$$$$$

    So, getting workers BIG $$$$$$ is a bad thing now?

    I haven’t watched 7.30 and after this, probably won’t

  146. armchair opionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 8:37 am

    Hmm, kathy jackson eh?
    Very cosy with the libs and their anti union mated/backers isn’t she? Of course no set up going on;)
    It’s got the lib dirt smell again hasn’t it?
    Up to their usual tricks?

  147. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 8:39 am

    OK, I just had a quick read. Some pretty bold accusations, and some grand claims. Interestingly, the claims are complaining that when the members voted on their EBA (get that yomm 😉 ) he reckons there were pages missing. So why did you vote? Why did you not raise the issue? It’s not like you are shy, after all you are willing to go on National television to make “claims”

    Considering they went out of their way to get a liberal lawyer to offer his opinion on a hypothetical, it’s hard to give this guy much credence. I also LOVE the wrap.

    7.30 has analysed the 2004 enterprise bargaining agreement for Winslow Constructors and those of five other key competitors in Melbourne’s civil construction industry in the same period. Winslow Constructors paid its workers the lowest wages and any other entitlements like leave or overtime were the same or worse than the other deals.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4257903.htm

    Hey, 7.30, if you have ’em, why not produce them, and let us decide. Because, from your language, that could mean that, if you take the best bits of all the others, they could be better than the AWU’s

    And it also doesn’t mean shit about fairfaxs bullshit claim that the deals made workers “worst off”. The most, if true, is that it made them “potentially” worst off.

    Of course, the other thing could be that the others didn’t go past the first round of negotiations. You know, where you give a bit.

    Another massive stitch up, this time theirabc (fucken LEFTIES)

    And murdoch rests back on it’s haunches and laughs.

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 9:06 am

    I think you’ll find my reference to the greenfields agreement (ie not requiring a vote of employees) was for the Thiess tollway construction.

    But I’m entirely happy to be corrected because I’m just passing on the observations of the time.

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 9:09 am

    “So why did you vote?

    Really Tom R. Are you that ignorant about the construction industry?

    Didn’t you notice –
    *where he said the vote was held?
    *why he’s now willing to speak publicly?

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 9:21 am

    which saves the company over $1million (in productivity gains), on a job worth over $3 Billion??

    I thought the estimated savings were $100mill

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2015 9:52 am

    “This is how you arrest a white man who shot 9 people, and this is how you arrest a black man for selling cigarettes”

    Which was you say (or retweet) if you are intent on starting a race-war. In fact it is the difference between surrendering and resisting arrest.

  152. June 19, 2015 10:12 am
  153. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 10:53 am

    ROFLMAO………………..

    Cole Royal Commission 2002

    “Quest: What about the notion of the union fees of workers being paid by their employers. Is that a matter on which you have a view?

    Bill Shorten: In terms of the theory of it, I guess I would have two comments to make.
    One is: if an employer advance pays union dues and then deducts it from the workers, and this is done with the consent of the workers, that’s pretty good for cash flow for the organisation.

    The issue is if an employer pays money for workers who don’t know they are in the union, or haven’t asked to be in that union, well, I think that’s a pretty bold employer who does that. If that employer does it, and we would never advise an employer to simply pay money, for instance, to the CFMEU in the context of – in lieu of union membership, we don’t think employers should do that…. “

  154. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 10:57 am

    “There has been no suggestion of illegality by Mr Shorten, ………..”

    I seem to recall a certain ex MP called Thomson using that line

    LOL

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 11:09 am

    The Wally Royal Commission

  156. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 11:14 am

    Dont fall off your chair but I’d actually have one into Financial Institutions.

    And one of my recommendations would be that before ANYONE can access their superannuation they must complete a financial competency course.

    Basic shit like understanding the ASX, simple aspects of the tax system………etc

  157. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 11:15 am

    “Great article on Bill Shorten…”

    But the ALP needs 60% of the caucus to agree in order to shaft him.

  158. armchair opionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 11:21 am

    “…MT @sspencer_63: media outlets say polls have turned against Labor. WRONG, here’s what actually happened this weekpic….”

    Sounds more like a campaigning media trying to influence public opinion and produce an outcome favourable to libs and murdoch. Operation “cover tony’s arse”

  159. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:29 pm

    Operation “cover tony’s arse”

    It’s in full swing 😉

    But I’m entirely happy to be corrected because I’m just passing on the observations of the time.

    you mean “make shit up”? All of these bullshit stories are over EBA’s. And their biggest argument is others didn’t get the nod. What a fucken beat up.

    In the same week that our grubmint has been found paying criminals to perform criminal activities, the opposition leader is being crucified by lies and smears for getting workers better pay under conditions that also provide a better outcome for companies. Our media are fucked!

    I seem to recall a certain ex MP called Thomson using that line

    I seem to remember the media using that for a former PM. One who just got cleared unambiguously in this same witch hunt.

    “Great article on Bill Shorten…”

    Then why is he running the current media’s line about “On the one hand, he’s currently even less popular than his adversary” when, if it was such a great article, he might notice that, historically, this is generally the case. Opposition leaders usually are lower in approval than PM’s, but it doesn’t have any effect on them winning elections.

    Negates the “greatness” much

  160. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:31 pm

    This is how bankrupt our media is.

  161. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:34 pm

    “This is beyond simple partisanship.This does active harm to civil society & democratic governance. Diminishes us all ……….”

    And how’s the ABC going Timmy.

    You can always open your own newspaper ya know or get a rich Leftie mate to open one.

  162. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:38 pm

    Peak pyne?

  163. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:40 pm

    And how’s the ABC going Timmy.

    The abc has been exposed as a political player for the libs. It’s time to clean out everyone at the top, and start over. It has obviously become a political tool, and can no longer perform to its charter.

  164. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:42 pm

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:45 pm

    I see Tom R. So which part of my commentary is factually incorrect?

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:46 pm

    Its like watching an ever increasing whirlpool …

  167. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:53 pm

    So which part of my commentary is factually incorrect?

    The part where you said the workers didn’t vote. Thiess was an EBA.

    We won’t even go into the “questionable” comment again 😉

  168. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 12:58 pm

    Its like watching an ever increasing whirlpool …

    We are in the vortex one would think. Not sure about the reference to the oz’s cover. Could it be worst than the terrors?

  169. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 1:24 pm

    I can just see yabot now

    “We will not be lectured to by …..” oh, this might get awkward

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 1:30 pm

    Was that Thiess or Winslow Constructors employees that voted?

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 1:31 pm

    …because I’ve not suggested that Winslow Constructors employees didn’t vote.

  172. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 1:32 pm

    It’s becoming increasingly difficult to comment without breaking Godwin’s Law these days, so I’ll refrain.

    Suspected terrorists fighting abroad should have their citizenship revoked because a court of law might let them off if they are tried, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/courts-might-let-suspected-terrorists-off-says-tony-abbott-20150619-ghs1il.html

    And I get the feeling that the terror went all terror today because Dreyfus had the horrible idea that Australians suspected of fighting overseas should be brought back here for trial. Like, what a radical thought? 😯

  173. June 19, 2015 1:35 pm
  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2015 2:14 pm

    “This is beyond simple partisanship. This does active harm to civil society & democratic governance. Diminishes us all “

    Timbo, it is your stupid hyperventilation that diminishes you, mate.

    Apart from that it is a perfectly reasonable headline in all the circumstances.

  175. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 2:18 pm

    Was that Thiess or Winslow Constructors employees that voted?

    To my knowledge, all stories to date have referred to eba’s, so the short answer would be BOTH.

    Of course, happy to proved wrong there 😉

    Apart from that it is a perfectly reasonable headline in all the circumstances.

    Bringing people home to be tried in court is “welcoming”?

    Right 😉

  176. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 2:21 pm

    Tony Abbott Doesn’t Want Accused Terrorists To Stand Trial In Case They’re Found Not Guilty.

    Of course, if I was writing for the Bizarro ltdnews, that could be “Tony Abbott Doesn’t Want Aussies To Stand Trial In Case They may be Not Guilty. ”

    Haneef anyone?

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 2:26 pm

    No need for proof from me, I’ve already said I’m relying on my usually infallible memory.

    I think I’m correct because Eastlink was the biggest construction project in the state, and there was no opportunity for the CFMEU & ETU to try to spoil the vote.

    So I still think the “vote” refers to Winslow, not Thiess.
    ———————
    …and I suppose it would have been misogynist if people had been making these comments about Gillard.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 3:01 pm

    Apart from that it is a perfectly reasonable headline in all the circumstances.

    Mmmm … d’ya reckon?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve already said I’m relying on my usually infallible memory.

    GUFFAW!

    …and I suppose it would have been misogynist if people had been making these comments about Gillard.

    No, just the same extremely poor taste, lack of judgement, misuse of “journalism”, and an indicator that the tories are really becoming even more unhinged and stupid than usual and reek of desperation …

    And of course HEADLINES at any cost … next we’ll see the Opposition Leader’s head photo-shopped onto the body of an ISIL warlord – AK47 in hand … just childish shite!

    Guilty or not Australians should not be behaving as pseudo septic tanks … just because we import their Coke doesn’t mean we should act coke-heads …

  179. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 3:04 pm

    I’ve already said I’m relying on my usually infallible memory.

    Cheers yomm, a good laugh just in time for beer 0 clock 😉

    So I still think the “vote” refers to Winslow, not Thiess.

    The “vote” the guy was rambling about on 7.30 was Winslow, but Thiess was also an eba

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4257308.htm

    Of course, this is the “infallible memory” that forgot it was at one time a very vociferous supporter of workchoices, which is why I always like to question it 😉

    (clink)

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 3:06 pm

    HYPOCRITES!

    TONY Abbott’s views on fossil fuels, renewable energy and climate change differ strongly from those of Pope Francis, but Catholic bishops believe the prime minister is not beyond redemption.

    AUSTRALIAN Catholic Bishops Conference president Denis Hart thinks the Pope’s groundbreaking encyclical on climate change should prompt the catholic Mr Abbott and other political leaders to re-examine their positions.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/everyone-should-read-popes-text-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1227405130587

    Or just slow to catch on, hey?

    Shakes head …

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 3:12 pm

    I actually missed this story … but its like reading about the pauper wannabe royal family …

    TONY Abbott is pointing to the real estate success of his daughter to show it’s not impossible for young people to buy a home while paying off university debt …

    The family home still has a mortgage on it after Mr Abbott took out a second loan and in Opposition successfully lobbied for shadow ministers to be paid a premium for their extra work. He privately pleaded he was struggling with household expenses after losing the salary of a cabinet minister.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/tony-abbott-says-his-daughter-proves-it-is-possible-for-young-people-to-get-on-the-property-ladder/story-fnu2pwk8-1227392710384

    More stupid hypocrisy …

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 3:23 pm

    No worries! Happy beering!

    But where does that or another article refer to employees voting for that agreement (as distinct from the Winslow agreement)?

  183. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 4:49 pm

    wow, it’s an eba yomm, ratified by the fair work act. The workers would have had to vote for it.

    Meanwhile. This is where we have entered (or left)

  184. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:23 pm

    “Developed countries ought to help pay this debt by limiting their consumption of nonrenewable energy.”

    This new found enlightenment in what the Pope says about Climate Change will no doubt result in you also mirroring the Pope’s views on Gay Marriage wont it ?

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:23 pm

    Again, you’re not familiar with greenfields agreements? They are designed for projects and are negotiated before any work commences, and without any employees to vote for or against it. They’re also ratified by FWA.

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:24 pm

    libertarian logic:

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:30 pm

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:33 pm

    This government lives in lalaland, as do it puppeteers … The Robber Barons and lackeys …

    Add 50% GST for online goods and most of us will still be in front with the local retailer rip-off … I just bought two sets of guitar strings on eBay for $18.40 free postage from Victoria … the last set I bought over five years ago for ——— $19.90 …

    And for anyone in the know – D’Addario EJ16 …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/retailers-hit-out-at-online-gst-scare-campaign/story-fnkji35w-1227406138821

    Tony Abbott & The Zombies …

    FMD!

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:42 pm

    This new found enlightenment in what the Pope says about Climate Change will no doubt result in you also mirroring the Pope’s views on Gay Marriage wont it ?

    Re-read my comment, Wally … no, I’ll do it for you – its always hard to rewind you … Or just slow to catch on, hey?

    Eventually he’ll catch on to gay marriage too … although equality has never been a catlik strength … they even had an Emperor or two – married … and more than one who dallied with the same gender … but that must be rumour …

    If he doesn’t find enlightenment then WGAF according to Nostradamus he’s the last pope … thank christ … he seems more sensible than many daydream believers …

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:43 pm

    And BTW – what “new found enlightenment” … he’s only just pronounced it!

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 5:56 pm

  192. Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2015 6:10 pm

    I’m commenting on TomR’s post not yours.

    I generally scroll past yours.

  193. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 6:12 pm

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 6:49 pm

    I agree, but with this you kill two birds with one stone, the unions and your political opponent.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 6:59 pm

    I generally scroll past yours.

    There’s the difference, brother, I always acknowledge yours … just like you have, by commenting – despite your words … chuckle … it’s just that you can’t argue logically against what I said … the honesty’s too much! LOL!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:02 pm

    … the vague allegations, the sanctimonious editorials about things that happened years ago

    as opposed to the verified allegations against The Mad Abbott!

    So in ten years (the way its going) will I be dragged out into the street and executed?

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:03 pm

    This country is going to shit!

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:03 pm

    “clink”

  199. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:26 pm

    They’re also ratified by FWA.

    ffs, what does it matter. Simple, Shorten negotiated a deal that was lauded by everyone at the time, workers and employer. The workers were better off, the company was better off. And now, apparently, that is bad.

    It’s peak fucken stupid.

    Of course, you now think Shorten should have held them over a gun and made them give the workers poetry lessons or something?

    Shorten led the way in negotiating outcomes where everyone won. And now he is being brutalized for it.

    And all they can find is some sold out worker who is now employed by the company attacking them, and a lawyer who is (was?) a liberal party member.

    Think back to Gillard. It’s fucken rinse/repeat.

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:30 pm

  201. June 19, 2015 7:31 pm

    TB’s excellent points, re the Pope still stand, regardless of whether you pretend to scroll past or not!
    It seems odd that his comments can send you into such abusive rage if you’re just scrolling past them (did that just begin today?).

  202. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:32 pm

    as opposed to the verified allegations against The Mad Abbott!

    Like I said, peak stupid.

    So in ten years (the way its going) will I be dragged out into the street and executed?

    If it keeps going this way, then you’ll be considered one of the lucky ones. 😉

    the unions and your political opponent.

    The Unions have always been the target.

    I think someone else posted something, but I scrolled past it

  203. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:36 pm

    Why is Abbott Govt trying to exclude big firms from tax transparency?

    DEATH CULTS!!!

  204. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:38 pm

    It seems odd that his comments can send you into such abusive rage

    I was actually under the impression that his default was abusive rage and sometimes, I’m guessing mainly when reading my comments, he becomes somewhat mollified.

  205. June 19, 2015 7:41 pm

    haha

  206. Tom R permalink
    June 19, 2015 7:46 pm

    Things are gonna get Apocalyptic now 🙂

  207. June 19, 2015 7:47 pm

    This, precisely, goes to the core of wht’s so fucked up about AbbottCorp & its unmistakable, beholden behaviour.

    I can’t wait to see Abbott’s #1- silence, or #2-obfuscation regarding his pontiff’s recent, binding remarks on AGW & the ‘responsible’ obligations to it of developed nations.
    Make no mistake, the press will pursue him on this. He can’t just be a Catholic when it’s convenient (even though he clearly is).

  208. June 19, 2015 7:48 pm

    l quote

    “Former disability commissioner Graeme Innes has blasted the Abbott government’s plans to appoint a national wind farm commissioner when there is no full-time disability commissioner as “very hurtful” and “very damaging”. “

  209. June 19, 2015 7:53 pm

    I find it hilarious that the Australian Catholic Hierarchy is already imploring Abbott!

    The edifice, theirs & his, is crumbling.

    Magfuckingnificent!

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 8:02 pm

    I’m up for that!

  211. June 19, 2015 8:19 pm

    You`re correct reb, this IS a cracker.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/18/if-labor-wants-a-shot-at-the-next-election-it-needs-a-leader-who-is-not-bill-shorten

    guardian””””it may be because he`s an archetypal apparatchik, and it increasingly looks like there`s nothing more to him. Apart from a brief stint at a Labor law firm, he`s never had a job outside a union or the ALP. Since he was a teenager, his life has been devoted to the grind of the labour movement’s internal politics; of union versus union, faction versus faction.

    Ever since he came up directly against an adversary who he could not undermine from within, he`s looked out of his depth. His attempts to connect with voters are so strained and unconvincing””””’#blib

    #As `any` team-cheerer would know, the guardian is full of right-wing nut-jobs that only write to appease their solid teabag audience and have in no way given a `balanced` account of `all` that blib is, and all that blib stands for:-) 🙂 🙂

  212. June 19, 2015 8:45 pm

    dunny””””I can`t wait to see Abbott`s #1-silence, or #2-obfuscation regarding his pontiff`s recent, binding remarks on AGW””””

    #reasonable bet mandy-devine will out-do blot with the catlick-squirting on her blog at limited-news dunny

  213. June 19, 2015 9:34 pm

    rabble-cheerer””””Think back to Gillard. It`s fucken rinse/repeat”””

    #When it comes to the $134K team-cheerer, that`s what l`ve been thinking, joolya, slipper, godwin, there`s quite a string of this now, going all the way back to john-w`s tampa.

    #boo is full of crap as usual, and knowing nothing

    #my bet, when the dust is settled, the green/brown-field deal, $134K, winslow, will turn-out to be 6-months dues of winslow members dues, induction/safety training etc, all paid in one hit

    #the rabble/blib/onion will have been negligent in their book-keeping, not marking this $134K payment correctly, clearly `donation` and `other` are incomplete and/or `sloppy` book-keeping

    #unfortunately for rabble-cheerers, the sloppy book-keeping will give mr-rabbit plenty of ammo, as in, `the rabble can`t be trusted to keep proper records, so how can they manage the economy`etc

    #l agree with the vast bulk of the guardians round-up of how lacking blib is tho #shh-blib

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2015 9:55 pm

    From Fox News to Lindsey Graham: The racist murderer targeted ‘Christians’, not black Americans
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394450/-From-Fox-News-to-Lindsey-Graham-The-racist-murderer-targeted-Christians-not-black-Americans?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#

  215. June 19, 2015 11:06 pm

    huffpo”””””””White supremacists on Thursday quickly tried to distance themselves from the suspect in the mass shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, worried that a white man killing nine people in a black church in South Carolina looked bad for their movement.”””””””

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/charleston-church-shootin_n_7613540.html?1434649275

    +

    dailkos””””South Carolina`s Senator Lindsey Graham fessed up that while perhaps race may have been a factor, ””””””There are people out there looking for Christians to kill them. This is a mean time we live in.””””””’#via-ao

    +

    #the absurdity has gone `full-circle`, the kkk-types have the brains to realize this is racial mass murder, and the repug-teabags start wading into the swamp of denial, yet again. #tinfoil.bed.sheets

  216. June 20, 2015 7:21 am

    “I can’t wait to see Abbott’s #1- silence, or #2-obfuscation regarding his pontiff’s recent, binding remarks on AGW & the ‘responsible’ obligations to it of developed nations.
    Make no mistake, the press will pursue him on this. He can’t just be a Catholic when it’s convenient (even though he clearly is)”

    You mean judging whether or not Abbott’s a good Catholic.

    #moralisingmoralisers

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2015 8:54 am

    Rubbishing the RET for King Coal by David Leyonhjelm and The Australian
    https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/rubbishing-the-ret-for-king-coal-by-david-leyonhjelm-and-the-australian,6863#.VYQROAb_V3Q.twitter

    …Renewable energy is not the source of wealth of any of Australia’s top 50 richest people.

    So, in the end, this piece by Leyonhjelm sums up nicely how the voices of, and for, the fossil fuel industry have been so successful in demonising the RET and before that, the carbon price, as the ultimate destroyers of Australia’s economy.

    And I’ll close with this heard from ABC Radio National’s business editor, Sheryle Bagwell on Monday, 1 September…

    …“The crazy thing about all this is that there was a cheaper way than the RET to reduce Australia’s carbon emissions and it was the carbon tax. Next year it would have dropped from US$23 a tonne to less than $US10 a tonne.”…

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2015 9:07 am

  219. June 20, 2015 9:12 am

    “You mean judging whether or not Abbott’s a good Catholic. ”

    Well, no.

    I mean, exposing his inconsistent & opportunist convictions. He’s between a rock (his supposed devotion to an archaic Institution leveraging fantastical beliefs) and a hard place (his allegiance to his anti-AGW base & the fact that he’s beholden to certain vested interests who’d vastly prefer the status quo).
    I bet the hard place will win out, he’s a contrived political opportunist after all…and he’ll studiously avoid being trapped by commenting on the rock.

    Hypocrisy then, when he allows his conservative religious faith to influence his views on marriage or abortion, for instance.

    Like most religious people, I believe their ‘faith’ is easily ignored by them when it becomes inconvenient & expeditious to do so.

  220. June 20, 2015 9:16 am

    Their constant removal of tools for scrutinising them says heaps about AbbottCorp.

    If they had nothing to hide they’d welcome the inspection.

    Clear evidence that they’re afraid of public accountability & well recognise that plenty of what they get up to would be on the nose in voterland, were it widely known & understood.

    Stupid fuckers are only helping the ALP, who’ll gladly exploit the same subversive removals when they get back in; and they will get back in.

  221. June 20, 2015 9:18 am

    #moralisingmoralisers

    Yes, Abbott is the supreme example of one of those. Witness his lurid religious comments at the parliamentary prayer meeting only days ago.

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2015 10:34 am

    And his ‘come to jesus’ moments

    His every day language is biblical, his fire and brimstone messages of ‘good vs evil’, plus his allegiances with the christian [extreme] right of his party.

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2015 11:28 am

    Another one of the liberal christian happy clapper mouthpieces. Cameron belongs to the secretive american evangelical christian organisation, the fellowship/the family.

    I might add that we appear to have reached the point in liberal party history where the lawyers, miners, big business reps, anti climate change lobby, christian troglodytes and staffers eclipse the workers.

    Hypocrites

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2015 2:58 pm

    Apart from a brief stint at a Labor law firm, he`s never had a job outside a union or the ALP.

    Check out most politicians’ backgrounds on both sides of the house or senate … I mean one Liberal has only ever been a Federal politician … WTF voted for him? Twice!

    And have a good look at The Mad Abbott’s work history …

  225. June 20, 2015 3:34 pm

    Tinfoil`osy””””’You mean judging whether or not Abbott`s a good Catholic.”””’

    #Well tinfoil`osy it`s more like ”’whether or not Abbott`s a good”’ `anything` really. Mr-rabbit already showed us he was a crap negotiator when joolya negotiated victory with the indi`s and not him. The f.35 flying junk and tpp adds to his credentials as a crap negotiator and also shows him as incredibly `stupid` or incredibly `corrupt` to rabidly pursue such negatives to `our` nation. #crap.negotiator #crap.ideals

    #budget emergency, screamed non-stop, yet he has DOUBLED debt/deficit and spooked biz-confidence and dampened jobs/prospects. #crap.onomics

    #Dunny is correct, mr-rabbit will also prove to be a hypocrite and finds himself wedged between the rock-of-coal and the hard place of his own indoctrination and pontif`s pontifications. #crap.catlick

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2015 3:42 pm

    You mean judging whether or not Abbott’s a good Catholic.

    Nope, nope, nope … but my judgement of him being a good human being scores a big Not Yet Competent …

    As for catlik … The Mad Abbott is not, nor his mentor Pell, … just need for the Vatican to catch up with the rest of the Australia on that too …

    Still I may be setting the bar a little high – I tend to “judge” folk on ten simple instructions … whoever wrote them …

    Being agnostic – allows me to do silly things like that … 🙂

  227. June 20, 2015 4:38 pm

    TB””’Check out most politicians backgrounds on both sides”””’

    #l don`t think the `guardian` is trying to side with the other lot in the crap-verses-shit canberra panto teebz. l think the guardian is just pointing-out blib is yet another turd in the canberra septic system, which has managed to float to the top at this moment.

  228. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2015 4:46 pm

    lol, fucken muppets. Publicly trying to get their stories straight AFTER the smear has been run ROFL

    What a Fail

  229. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2015 4:52 pm

    Attorney-General George Brandis has slammed the claims, saying people engaged in criminal activity cannot be trusted.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/boat-allegedly-paid-turn-back-stopped-international-waters/6553966

    I guess that means we can’t trust our grubmint, since it seems they are not only guilty of paying criminals for criminal acts, but are also international pirates.

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2015 4:53 pm

    The Real Revolution is here!

    http://inhabitat.com/revolutionary-white-solar-panels-cool-down-buildings-while-generating-electricity/

    Eat yer heart out* Read it and weep, Wally!

    *needs one …

  231. June 20, 2015 5:46 pm

    afr””””Evidence also before the commission shows the AWU under Mr Shorten received $38,228 from builder Winslow Constructors in 2005 to pay the union dues of 105 employees.

    Winslow told the commission that the practice started in the 1990s, before Mr Shorten was at the AWU.””””””’via-reb

    #yes this kinda clears blib, it also shows blib isn`t up to getting on the front-foot on things too, unbright blib has been frightened for the last week or so and `not` just plainly stated this himself. #looks.like.a.dill

  232. June 20, 2015 6:13 pm

    inhabitat””””””””Swiss non-profit tech company CSEM has developed a new type of solar panel that can be seamlessly integrated into the walls of buildings. The photovoltaic panels are available in different colors and have no visible connections. This allows architects to subtly incorporate solar panels into their projects, and the panels keep buildings cooler to boot”””””via.tb

    #good.bye.grid #suck.it.up.teabags

    +

    #and there is this teebz,

    http://inhabitat.com/new-solar-module-uses-holographic-foil-to-create-cheaper-more-efficient-panels/

    foil”””””A new silicon-based solar panel which utilizes holographic foil is reported to be nearly twice as efficient as standard panels. Referred to as a `game-changing`technology,` the panels were developed by the Dresden-based Apollon GmbH&Co.KG and Solar Bankers LLC from Arizona. The technology is based on holographic optics which allow the new solar modules to be manufactured at a much lower cost than conventional solar panels.””””””””

    #suck.harder.teabags

    #it is absolutely fcuking GREAT to see both `technical` efficiency AND `financial` efficiency continually climbing in OFF-GRID technology, which will give consumers TRUE-CHOICE on power consumption. Not the false fossil or nukie (non)choice perpetuated by the zombie-herd.

    #prepare ya`selves teabags, my off-grid hard-on IS growing

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2015 11:13 pm

    The Robber Barons continue to eat into the real world ….

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/price-rise-hits-50-per-cent-of-prescription-medicines-on-july-1/story-fneuz9ev-1227406320230

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2015 1:02 am

    I see, so Shorten only continued the practice.

    That’s no problem at all then.

  235. June 21, 2015 7:48 am

    Good morning Teabags, what a treat l bring you today.

    #Barrie has finally convinced blib to man-up and appear on my abc insiders and reckons blib will answer/explain today, instead of waiting his `investigation` appearance next? month. Let`s see about that.

    #Will blib leave insiders looking better in some way to the voters, at least until tuesday (killing-season), or will blib manage hold on to his underwhelming, `not-much` image.

  236. June 21, 2015 8:03 am

    Well teabags, my abc are really flogging/hyping that blib will be on insiders in both the breakfastnews show, and fillers/ads.

    #my bet, blib will retain his `mediocrity`

  237. June 21, 2015 9:39 am

    Whew! blib securely hung-on to his mediocrity #insiders

  238. June 21, 2015 9:50 am

    Team-cheerers won`t enjoy todays #insiders. While discussing blib, the talking-heads described blib as `lack-of-ticker`, sound familiar team-cheerer.?:-)

  239. June 21, 2015 4:45 pm

    The Boltards are up in arms about Shorten on Insiders, apparently they apply different standards to Bolt’s gladhanding interviews with AbbottCorp metronomes on The Bog Report.

    Partisan arselickers, so predictable.

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2015 4:49 pm

    ”I can’t wait to see Abbott’s #1- silence, or #2-obfuscation regarding his pontiff’s recent, binding remarks on AGW & the ‘responsible’ obligations to it of developed nations.
    Make no mistake, the press will pursue him on this. He can’t just be a Catholic when it’s convenient (even though he clearly is). I can’t wait to see Abbott’s #1- silence, or #2-obfuscation regarding his pontiff’s recent, binding remarks on AGW & the ‘responsible’ obligations to it of developed nations.
    Make no mistake, the press will pursue him on this. He can’t just be a Catholic when it’s convenient (even though he clearly is).”

    After years of deriding Christianity, leftists now lionise the Pope??? A miraculous conversion indeed!

    Apparently gibbering idiocy is the order of the day, and your comment, T-Boss, is emblematic. There is not one correct or logical proposition in there at all. You’ve gotten all giddy with excitement and forgotten to re-engage your brain before typing. Luckily you are one of the smarter ones here and so should have no trouble seeing the error of your ways once you regain your composure.

    1. Firstly, encyclicals aren’t binding.

    2. Besides, the Church cannot make binding statements about matters scientific. Its bailiwick is faith and morals.

    3. It is not for the press or other moralising hypocrites to tell Abbott what to believe.

    4. Abbott certainly does not need to take lessons on being a Catholic from cynics who hate Christianity and vilify it at every turn.

    5. The (leftist) press will pursue him, no doubt. But only because that is what they do. There is nothing Abbott could say or do on any issue that would win praise from them.

    6. The very idea that the press should pursue a Catholic politician for following his own conscience rather than implementing the Pope’s program is bizarre. They will do it, of course, but just think for a moment how stupendously stupid that proposition is.

    7. For centuries the criticism of Catholic politicians has been that, rather than act in the best interest of their state, they are liable to disregard their consciences in favour of the latest Popish plot. Now, apparently you and other blithering idiots of the left think that it is perfectly reasonable to complain if a Catholic politician doesn’t do what the Pope says. Truly this proposition is the epitome of fuckwittery.

  241. June 21, 2015 4:49 pm

    The actual government is fucking the pooch right now , on several fronts, but hey…let’s concentrate on the nondescript Opposition Leader & his machinations from Times of Yore.

    I suppose they figure it may have had some deleterious effect upon the ALP Leader, twice removed?

  242. June 21, 2015 4:52 pm

    “After years of deriding Christianity, leftists now lionise the Pope???”

    Well, firstly, I take issue with being tagged as a generic ‘leftist’ (apparently, what is it with the left & violence…but what about the rightwing nutjob that just shot 9 people in a church ).

    Secondly…I never would, and didn’t, lionise the pope. Please demonstrate, if you think I did. I’m not that easy to corner…and my points stand!

  243. June 21, 2015 4:54 pm

    My comments were supposed to put a spotlight upon Abbott’s ‘flexible’ morality, in relation to how he interprets the so called tenets of his faith.

  244. June 21, 2015 5:01 pm

    “hate Christianity and vilify it at every turn. ”

    Hilarious.

    I don’t hate it at all. I think it’s silly. I don’t believe in Barney the Purple Dinosaur either, but I’ve actually seen him on TV. Go figure.
    Laughing at it & pointing out its legion logical inconsistencies is not ‘vilifying it’ by any means.

    As for vilifying, well that would more relate to the overblown hyperbole regarding Islam regularly seen here. Hint: I think Islam is silly too, for the same reasons.

    I don’t pretend to adhere to implausible crap. Abbott introduces his religion into the public sphere, he is fair game; and deserves to have his illogical imperatives rubbed in his face.

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2015 5:03 pm

    “Well, firstly, I take issue with being tagged as a generic ‘leftist’ “

    I certainly don’t think you are generic, and you are usually very clear-thinking and broadminded. As you can see I addressed you specifically in the second sentence. If I had directed the first sentence against you I would have said so. My first comment wasn’t about you. It was a wry observation about the reception in some quarters of the Pope’s encyclical.

  246. June 21, 2015 5:04 pm

    ” Now, apparently you and other blithering idiots of the left think that it is perfectly reasonable to complain if a Catholic politician doesn’t do what the Pope says. Truly this proposition is the epitome of fuckwittery.”

    I can only assume I struck a nerve, because you normally deduce what I actually mean.

  247. June 21, 2015 5:07 pm

    “. Besides, the Church cannot make binding statements about matters scientific. Its bailiwick is faith and morals.”

    Ok…and I agree with that.

    But…the pope is either god’s representative on Earth or he isn’t: and I think you’re too self aware to genuinely believe that he is.

  248. June 21, 2015 5:08 pm

    In any case, his own pope has painted Abbott into a corner, and I find that hilarious.

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2015 5:10 pm

    “I don’t pretend to adhere to implausible crap.”

    We all do that to some extent. However, some of us are more self-aware than others.

    Abbott is widely derided for being a Catholic but I don’t see how he “introduces his religion into the public sphere”. He governs for all Australians. He hasn’t, so far as I’m aware, purported to be the Pope’s man in Canberra. The left has often painted him that way and now the hypocritical fools are whining that he is not obedient enough for their liking.

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2015 5:13 pm

    “you normally deduce what I actually mean.”

    Which is essentially this: “In any case, his own pope has painted Abbott into a corner, and I find that hilarious.”

    He is far from in a corner. Unless you think that Abbott should allow his judgment to be overridden by the Pope.

  251. June 21, 2015 5:18 pm

    Quite an unsettling day today.

    I was on this tram today.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-critical-after-car-hits-tram-in-burnley-20150621-ghtn7c.html

  252. June 21, 2015 5:27 pm

    Sorry to hear that, reb.

    It’s not nice to see people being hurt.

  253. June 21, 2015 5:29 pm

    Most people can smell Abbott’s religiosity in his public stances & statements, splatter. And I certainly don’t believe that he ‘governs for all Australians’…that is just a cheap slogan all PM’s are expected to parrot; few live up to it, if any.

  254. June 21, 2015 5:32 pm

    Get chaplains the fuck out of public schools, for instance…or, at least, be open to trained secular alternatives.

  255. June 21, 2015 5:34 pm

    It was pretty awful boss. I was sitting at the front of the tram and saw the car come speeding towards us. He must’ve been doing about 80km and just drove head first into the driver’s side of the tram.

  256. June 21, 2015 5:42 pm

    Very nasty.

    Witnessing human tragedy, first hand, is awful.

    Completely different to the detached nature of seeing/reading it on the News, or having it recounted.

    Hope you’re Ok, and the people involved in the accident too. 80km/h is a fair clip.

  257. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2015 5:48 pm

    I hope you don’t get shock from this, reb. Keep an eye on your reactions, maybe. A car coming fast at you can be way more than unsettling. Particularly where the driver is then trapped in the wreckage.

  258. June 21, 2015 5:54 pm

    Thanks guys. We’re ok, no one on the tram was hurt. Just a bit shaken up. But obviously the guy in the car was not in a good way. He copped the full impact of the collision on the driver’s side of his car. Dog knows what caused it. At first I was thinking maybe he was texting or something, but ppl who are texting aren’t usually driving at 80km an hour…

    It was a pretty sharp reminder how fragile life is.

  259. June 21, 2015 5:56 pm

    The hardest part was waiting around for the ambulance and cops to arrive. It only took maybe ten minutes but it felt like forever and meanwhile this guy’s life is slipping away..

  260. June 21, 2015 6:03 pm

    It’s just been on Channel 9 news – driver is only 21 and in a critical condition..

  261. June 21, 2015 6:16 pm

    “It was a pretty sharp reminder how fragile life is.”

    Indeed it is.

    Context is everything.

    Even the most strongly held opinions wither in the face of harsh, mortal reality. Life is fleeting, and despite what the majority of the world’s religions would have us believe, we don’t get a second go at it…so, to see it slip away carries much gravity, for mine. That isn’t meant to be an extension of my prior comments here, it is what I live by.

    “The hardest part was waiting around for the ambulance and cops to arrive.”

    I think they always do their best. We’ve had some tragic road deaths down here in the last twelve months & the emergency responders bear the brunt of that, second only to family & friends.

  262. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2015 6:24 pm

    Good to hear you are ok reb, and I hope the young man pulls through. Yes toilet, there have been some absolute horror smashes, not just down your way, but on lots of country roads. People seem to forget the speeds, especially on longer trips. That’s how I see it anyway.

  263. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2015 6:31 pm

    but I don’t see how he “introduces his religion into the public sphere”

    Then perhaps you need to get the blinkers off. From RU-486, through to chaplains in our school, everything he does politically is “tainted” by his religiosity.

    And it is a religion that harkens back decades ago, not the more progressive moves by the churches of today.

    That the leader of one of the words most anachronistic religions can acknowledge the science while tabot steadfastly refuses to speaks more about the retrograde attitude of our own “dear leader” than any acceptance of a pontificating old fart half way around the globe, or any of his dog bothering fantasies.

  264. June 21, 2015 6:38 pm

    “. People seem to forget the speeds, especially on longer trips. That’s how I see it anyway.”

    I think it’s probably more complacency, or inattention, than speed. Generally, those of us who live in the regional areas are used to the speed…otherwise it would take us twice as long to get from A to B.
    Alcohol & fatigue are probably also to blame in many cases.

  265. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2015 6:43 pm

    A lot of the ones I have noticed though toilet are us townies going for a jaunt, and coming a cropper.

    Although, it’s probably a bit of it all. And more.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2015 7:06 pm

    That must have been very unsettling reb. Have a few medicinal reds to steady yourself.

  267. June 21, 2015 7:16 pm

    ” it’s probably a bit of it all. And more”

    Strongly agree.

    We have an horrendous road toll in SA this year. Too many from down here, too many elsewhere.

  268. June 21, 2015 7:46 pm

    “Have a few medicinal reds to steady yourself.”

    The treatment is currently underway…

  269. June 21, 2015 7:56 pm

    BTW, it’s “comforting” to have this “forum” to share and discuss life events like this with ppl I’ve come to know over the years even if it’s just on the inter webs… In a way I relate more to the ppl on here than ppl I know in teh real world..

  270. June 21, 2015 8:02 pm

    lnspecting the Long-Form splattering,

    ”””1.Firstly, encyclicals aren`t binding.”””#who.gives.a.flying.fcuk

    ”””2.Besides, the Church cannot make binding statements about matters scientific.”””’#evolution.class.rooms #womens.medical #terminally.ill.medical #marriage.registration #aids.denial.and.condoms.africa ”””Its bailiwick is faith and morals.”””’#fairy.tales

    ””’3.It is not for the press or other moralising hypocrites to tell Abbott what to believe”””#moralising.hypocrite.mr-rabbit #walk.the.talk

    ”””4.Abbott certainly does not need to take lessons on being a Catholic from cynics who hate Christianity and vilify it at every turn.”””#WRONG

    ”””5.The (leftist) press will pursue him, no doubt. But only because that is what they do. There is nothing Abbott could say or do on any issue that would win praise from them.”””#see.the.light #leftist=bullshit

    ”””6.The very idea that the press should pursue a Catholic politician for following his own conscience”””’#guffaw ”””rather than implementing the Pope`s program is bizarre.”””#bullshit ”””They will do it, of course,”””’#bullshit ”””’but just think for a moment how stupendously stupid that proposition is.”””#only.you

    ”””7.For centuries the criticism of Catholic politicians has been that, rather than act in the best interest of their state, they are liable to disregard their consciences in favour of the latest Popish plot. Now, apparently you and other blithering idiots of the left think that it is perfectly reasonable to complain if a Catholic politician doesn’t do what the Pope says. Truly this proposition is the epitome of fuckwittery.””””’#gobbledeegook #blather

    #your long form splattering of gobbledeegook and blathering bullshit wasn`t claimed by dunny or me. lf you paid fcuking attention splatters, you might fcuking notice me (and-dunny) point out the hypocrisy of certain islam-squirters that peddle their panic here, and over-look the long, long history your favored dog-club has on equally monstrous mass-murder over fairy-tales too. You need to check your thetan levels, as you can`t seem to understand that scientology, jew, islam, other, or `kristian` dog-clubs (and various flavors of) are all as ridiculous as the next. l am as worried of the `wrath` of your dog, as l am of a unicorn stampede.

    #by the way numb-nuts, just coz folks don`t agree with the looney teabag-zombies, it doesn`t make them `leftist` no matter how much blot tells you that. lt just means folks think for themselves and aren`t easily frightened.

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2015 8:39 pm

    Just finished watching Insiders and popped in …

    sreb, sorry to hear about you’re “adventure” today … (there is a reason I persist with the s – reb) … yer made of stern stuff but as you’ve just done, best to discuss your “trauma” … as I’m sure you are aware … that sounds so fkn patronising but it is well intended. 😉

    I’ll stay out of the theological discussion … looks like most of what I would say has been said … 🙄

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2015 11:20 pm

    Is this how “nonsensical diatribe” is spelt?
    _____

    Meanwhile, red medication cures most ailments in my experience, perhaps other than tolerance of f**kwits

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 8:18 am

    Meanwhile, red medication cures most ailments in my experience, perhaps other than tolerance of f**kwits

    Are you suggesting I should drink less ’cause it doesn’t help?

    BTW who commented – “nonsensical diatribe” – and in what context?

  274. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2015 9:37 am

    “who.gives.a.flying.fcuk “

    I didn’t raise the issue, Retardland. Just correcting an error.

    point out the hypocrisy … “

    And that is exactly the problem with the spit and bile analysis you present. You haven’t made any logical points at all.

    All we have so far is an encyclical which, if you had read it carefully, is broadly consistent with Abbott’s position. Specifically, both Abbott and the encyclical agree that man-made global warming is happening and both reject trading in carbon credits as a solution.

    Dancing about going “la-la-la” like some capering crackbrained clown does not a reasoned argument make.

  275. June 22, 2015 10:08 am

    Who will think of Human Ken?

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 10:21 am

    Hi reb, very sorry to hear about the tram incident this morning. You can’t help but reflect on human frailty and youthful invincibility.

    I remember when a man committed suicide by train at the time when my young nephew and niece were on that train coming home from school. The train was stopped and everyone ordered off the train. No parents were informed, no responsibility by transport dept. shown for the young school kids, they were dumped off to find their own way home at 7 and 10 years.

    Luckily it happened at the train station which is a couple of streets away from our house and luckily again, I was on a day off and home to answer the frantic knocking off two scared kids. It is now 15 years later and my nephew [the 7 yo] who witnessed the suicide still remembers it and talks of it occasionally. He had to have some counselling at the time, it really did affect him emotionally. I also hope the young driver survives such a reckless decision.

    You are much more mature than a 7 yo but even so, you might re-visit this in your thoughts and dreams.
    .

  277. June 22, 2015 10:32 am

    Hope your tram rides are drama-free today reb. The dude must have been hammering along. What`s the speed-limit in the area, a lot places now have reduced zones, 50km/hour in built-up areas, 40km/h in school-zone and `some` shopping strips.

    Yeah l understand the `shock` element you mentioned, many years ago, parents friend was stopped at red light, light went green, she moved into the intersection and was hit by a motorcyclist at about 120km`s. He died on impact, came thru the windscreen beside her. She was a nervous-wreck in cars for years after, even as a passenger.

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 10:39 am

    Watching politics this last couple of weeks has shown the inadequacy of shorten. Everything he does and says is so timid and so fake sounding. he just doesn’t have the ‘fire in the belly’ that i would like to see of someone who would take the fight up to the bare knuckled brawler that is abbott and his gutter dwelling politics. Shorten should have shown some aggro and fight when personally attacked, instead he completely backed down under abbott’s assaults.

    I hope there will be a new labor leader soon, I think albo might be the man. I’m wondering if labor even has the desire to govern, they are so lacklustre and so ‘small target’ that they have nothing to offer IMO.

  279. June 22, 2015 10:43 am

    Thanks AO and bagz.

    I reckon he must’ve been doing about 70 or 80km. There’s nothing worse than that horrible sound of steel crushing steel.

    As it happens AO, there was also a guy killed by train yesterday in Melbourne too – after he was lying on the tracks.

    I also had two meth addicts (women) approach me on two separate occasions yesterday for money. The looked about mid forties, but perhaps were only in their twenties or thirties… Hideous stuff this meth. And what it does to ppl…

  280. June 22, 2015 10:46 am

    “”I hope there will be a new labor leader soon, I think albo might be the man. I’m wondering if labor even has the desire to govern, they are so lacklustre and so ‘small target’ that they have nothing to offer IMO.””

    Completely agree.

    Albo, Plibersek or Bowen would be far better than Shorten.

    Shorten’s fake outrage is just so mind numbingly nauseas.It’s like being slapped around the head with a wet lettuce.

  281. June 22, 2015 10:53 am

    Hey folks, did anybody see mr-rabbits latest youtube clip today, it was shown on telly today. lt is straight out of 1984, you know the john-hurst? character on the `screens` peddling fire-and-brimstone. He just swapped `war` for `tewwa` in the script, and even emphasizes louder like the 1984 character does.

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:00 am

    I remember when a man committed suicide by train at the time when my young nephew and niece were on that train coming home from school.

    My mother-in-law remarried in 1979 … they hit a tree in their car same year, she died (54), he never got over it … 18 months later he just walked towards an oncoming train …

    I’ve never understood why people want to try and take others on their journey of sorrow …

    And yet I understand the need for euthanasia …

    Apologies for being maudlin … hadn’t thought about it for years …

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:04 am

    “I hope there will be a new labor leader soon”

    The Libs certainly don’t. They will probably go to an early election to pre-empt the change.

    Anyway, it is not that easy to remove Little Billy Two knives:

    Under the new rules, the only way to then remove the leader would be for 60 per cent of Caucus members to sign a petition requesting a new election.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:06 am

    Here’s a good reason for Australia’s quarantine laws … the fkn Black Death?!

    And vaccinations … nothing is new …

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/health-officials-declare-colorado-high-school-student-taylor-gaes-died-from-extremely-rare-case-of-plague/story-fno61i58-1227409203042

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:09 am

    Let’s have more RC’s! There’s plenty of self gratifying behaviour, nepotism and straight out graft to investigate from decades ago on both sides, why should the libs have all the fun.

    I would like to have seen a RC into abbott and his funding to jail pauline hanson, howard and abbott’s own funding mechanisms, we could easily have one into ashby, jackson & lawler, slipper, brough and the leaking to andrew bolt of wilkie’s report, AWB, AFP politicisation etc. there is so much the public wants to know.

    Connect the dots … the headhunter, the Treasurer and his wife:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2006/08/07/connect-the-dots-the-headhunter-the-treasurer-and-his-wife/

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/03/peter-costellos-alleged-conflicts-of-interest/

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:15 am

  287. June 22, 2015 11:15 am

    splatter”””remove the leader would be for 60 per cent of Caucus”””

    #caucus won`t have the nads to admit they fcuked up pushing blib onto the membership and public, even if they were bright enough to realize they fcuked up

  288. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:19 am

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:20 am

    If we spent more on renewable energy we’d all be b etter off including the kids’, kids’, kids …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-mining-spend-shortchanges-kids-report/story-e6frfku9-1227409287482

    If fossil fuels are so profitable why does the state have to “subsidise” them … more corporate welfare … for The Robber Barons …

    The time of entitlement is over?

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:23 am

    Pope Francis says those in weapons industry can’t call themselves Christian

    yeah, but according to sb, Francis is only talking about it … he doesn’t want anything to change … its about science and technology anyway … not in the pope’s portfolio according to sb’s last, epistle … 🙂

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:34 am

    …As it happens AO, there was also a guy killed by train yesterday in Melbourne too – after he was lying on the tracks.
    I also had two meth addicts (women) approach me on two separate occasions yesterday for money. The looked about mid forties, but perhaps were only in their twenties or thirties… Hideous stuff this meth. And what it does to ppl…

    Those events seem to be commonplace now reb.

    It’s a testament to the lack of mental health funding in this country.The youth are roadkill for ‘productivity’ and political apathy by the two major parties. We are really letting down the latest generation i believe.

    I can’t even go on my walk or get to work without someone asking me for $2 or a smoke. These young people don’t look particularly destitute either. I wonder if I look an easy touch, I generally smile and say hi to people, or is it just something that is done these days?

  292. June 22, 2015 11:35 am

    tb””’The time of entitlement is over?””’

    #ball-park total, 18bill$ fossil-welfare

    #maybe the time of `entitlement` is over, but clearly, the time of `absolutely-fcuking-stupid` is no where near it`s end

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:41 am

    LOL! @ tbagz

  294. June 22, 2015 11:52 am

    limited.news”””Taylor died on June 8, a day after his 16th birthday, in Larimer County in northern Colorado. .. ..

    Two weeks after his death, his ashes already scattered across his family`s ranch, local health authorities determined the cause of death, he died from the plague after contracting the bacteria from a flea bite.””””

    #l wonder if bananasby could `calmly` send this to johnny-depp.

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:53 am

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 12:02 pm

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2015 2:18 pm

    “We are really letting down the latest generation i believe.”

    Spot on. We have lived high in the good years, spent the benefits of the mining boom on pink batts and school halls, let the unions fuck up the economy, committed to massive future expenditure and wilfully ignored the effect of the aging demographic.

    Now we hand the next generation the keys to the exhausted economy and tell them to be sure to keep the pensions and welfare flowing. Especially the age pension for the boomers. We are handing them a divided society riven with hatred generated by the vile identity politics of the intelligentsia. If I were them the first thing I would introduce is compulsory euthanasia for the leftists who made this mess.

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 2:39 pm

    If I were them the first thing I would introduce is compulsory euthanasia for the leftists who made this mess.

    Spot the difference …

    http://www.carolinalive.com/uploadedImages/wpde/isis_recruiting.jpg?w=204&h=153&aspect=nostretch

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2015 2:53 pm

    on pink batts and school halls

    But lefties tell me electricity will be saved and therefore cheaper and schools can rent out the halls and make a lot of money.

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 2:54 pm

    The destruction of Australia’s economy and society has nothing to do with generations … its been going on for millennia …

    JC didn’t like the moneylenders any more than I do …

    The people most likely to find themselves at the bottom are over the age of 65, non-English speaking or those reliant on government payments.

    Target the right people if you’re going to play them and us by protecting The Robber Barons and their minions the tories …

    The peak welfare lobby group says inequality between the richest and poorest has grown alongside the nation’s run of nearly a quarter of a century without recession.

    An Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) study has found that the richest 20 per cent now earn around five times as much as those in the bottom 20 per cent.

    “Whilst we are nowhere near yet where, for example, the United States is in terms of the divide in the community, we are clearly heading in the wrong direction,” said Dr Cassandra Goldie, the chief executive of the Australian Council of Social Service, which published the report.

    “We’ve had a big trend here in terms of disproportionate growth of income by people at the top end compared to those at the bottom.”

    Especially the age pension for the boomers.

    Well that’s partly put paid to in 2017 … now we need to target the welfare for multi-millionaires’ massive tax breaks in super … (full age pension for a couple is $654 a week – just to put the rhetoric in perspective) …

    We are handing them a divided society riven with hatred generated by the vile identity politics of the intelligentsia.

    I can only assume that refers to Howard and Abbott who both play wedge politics (y’know, generation against generation) … and listen to “institutes”, “committees”, “business groups” and the CWA … and totally ignore their employers … the people …

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:00 pm

    We have lived high in the good years, spent the benefits of the mining boom on business giveaways, middle class welfare, vote buying exercises, structural deficit pink batts and school halls, austerity economics, which cause people to close their wallets and business inspired higher unemployment let the unions fuck up the economy and committed to massive future expenditure through structural deficits that can’t be rolled back without voter outrage and wilfully ignored the effect of the aging, wealthy superannuants and negative gearing demographic.

    Now we hand the next generation the keys to the exhausted economy and an environment legacy of climate change inaction which will cost them far more than the current deficit, yet tell them to be sure to keep the pensions and welfare flowing for the generation who did nothing for them. We are handing them a divided society riven with hatred generated by the vile racist and xenophobic identity politics of the LNP intelligentsia.

    Resources bust worse thanks to Howard–Costello
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/economy/2015/04/18/resources-bust-worse-thanks-howard-costello/14292792001768#.VYeTp_mqqko

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:05 pm

    And Iran is such a friendly place …

    A SENIOR Liberal MP says the government is right to seek a new deal with Iran to return citizens who have failed in their asylum claims.

    PARLIAMENTARY secretary for foreign affairs Steven Ciobo says Australia had sought assurances from Iran in the agreement being negotiated that returned people would be protected.
    “Let’s not lose sight of the fact that these are people who have been found not to have genuine claims … people who have travelled to Australia with the intention of securing an economic outcome for themselves, not to be safe from persecution,” Mr Ciobo told Sky News on Monday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-right-to-strike-deal-with-iran-ciobo/story-e6frfku9-1227409594239

  303. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:18 pm

    Investor-State Dispute Settlement: Australians deserve more detail from Government:
    http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2015/06/22/Investor-State-Dispute-Settlement-Australians-deserve-more-detail-from-Government.aspx?COLLCC=4132508400&

  304. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:29 pm

    And Iran is such a friendly place …

    Are their lives in danger?? Our humanitarian program is for people fleeing persecution. We have other schemes for people who want to come here for economic benefit.

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:36 pm

    Mayne: defeaning silence from the Oz as Rupert rigs markets
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/06/22/mayne-defeaning-silence-from-the-oz-as-rupert-rigs-markets/

    …If it’s bad that foreigners can’t collectively own more than 50% of Qantas, how can the News Corp board announce on Friday that for the next three years, only someone called Murdoch is allowed to own more than 15% of the voting shares in the company?

    These sorts of poison pills are undemocratic, selfish, paranoid and illegal in most sophisticated markets outside the board-friendly regime operating in News Corp’s host US jurisdiction of Delaware…

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 3:57 pm

    Don’t worry about pensions, corporate welfare is booming [and we don’t even get the benefit of them proper tax]

  307. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2015 4:00 pm

    KL, that article you linked to is a real hoot. If you seriously believe that imputation is a “tax break” then you are very stupid or a left-wing think tank or, as in this case, both.

    This is pure comedy gold:

    Says Gregory: “I don’t think we’re running out of luck in any long-term sense. In the long run we’ll be pretty good. If China slows a bit, well, there’s Thailand and Cambodia and all those places.

    Has this poor benighted fucker been to Cambodia recently?

    Also under Costello we did not have a deficit at all so it can hardly have been a structural deficit. It took Labor to deliver that. If you piss money against the wall to ‘stimulate’ the economy when it did not need it, waste billions on a boat-people problem that Rudd created de novo, and double down and commit to massive future expenditure like the NBN, DSP and Gonski then you are making it very difficult for anyone ever to balance the budget again.

  308. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 4:18 pm

    3:18pm: Meanwhile, in Senate question time, Greens co deputy leader Larissa Waters asked George Brandis (who represents the prime minister in Senate question time) about the Pope’s recent encyclical in which he calls for an urgent moral response to global warming.

    …”42 per cent of the Abbott cabinet is Catholic including the Prime Minister himself,” Senator Waters said.

    “The Prime Minister has failed to listen to scientists, will now he listen to the leader of his own Church and abandon his reckless attack on clean energy?”

    Government senators were unimpressed.

    Matt Canavan was forced to withdraw after calling Senator Waters a “bigot” while Barry O’Sullivan thought he would heckle Senator Waters about her marital status.

    Senator Brandis’s response was: “I believe coal is very good for humanity indeed.”

    Labor caught out on dodgy piracy data:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/06/22/labor-caught-out-on-dodgy-piracy-data/

    …Piracy was supposed to cost our creative industries 6000 jobs a year. But employment in movie sector has been growing steadily for two decades…

    …This week the government’s internet censorship bill will be debated in the Senate. It’s being referred to as the “site-blocking” bill, but let’s call it what it is — a mechanism whereby some of the world’s biggest companies can force your ISP to block your access to sites they don’t like, including, potentially, encryption and VPN sites.

    The bill is another bipartisan attack on the internet from the Coalition and Labor, the parties that brought you mass surveillance earlier this year, done at the behest of the copyright industry, which is a generous donor to both sides and particularly to the Coalition. In addition to their cash, the big parties are happy to also use the copyright industry’s arguments in favour of internet censorship…

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2015 4:32 pm

    Too funny

    Lefties are now saying we should listen to the Pope.

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 5:22 pm

    …If you piss money against the wall to ‘stimulate’ the economy when it did not need it,…

    Funny how the cons keep wilfully forgetting about the GFC, the big financial meltdown, the time when the great capitalist dream imploded upon itself and was bailed out by taxpayers. The economy most certainly did need it and had their usual version of pig ignorant austerity been implemented we would have had a recession. not that you lot could ever be as magnanimous with praise to rudd/swan as the rest of the world was.

    waste billions on a boat-people problem that Rudd created de novo, and double down and commit to massive future expenditure like the NBN, DSP and Gonski then you are making it very difficult for anyone ever to balance the budget again.

    The structural deficit created by howard & costello is the reason we are facing decades of deficit now. And how do you get the revenue you need for decent government services when you are giving tax cuts – stupidity!

    Peter Costello has the gall to attack Joe Hockey over budget structural deficit he created:
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/peter-costello-has-the-gall-to-attack-joe-hockey-over-budget-structural-deficit-he-created-20150417-1mlr3l.html

    …Oh, the rank hypocrisy of Saint Peter of the Three Smirks. It was he who betrayed the creed of budget prudence by cutting capital gains tax in half, by cutting tax on superannuation for those over 60 and by squandering the fruits of the mining boom on tax cuts for the rich.

    And that is leaving aside the idiocy of paying couples to have a third child for the country after one for mum and one for dad.

    It was John Howard’s treasurer Peter Costello who caused the budget structural deficit that he now attacks Joe Hockey about – daring to crow about his own record as he does so.

    The Costello castigation comes in a week in which several Coalition traits were brilliantly explained by science broadcaster Karl Kruszelnicki. Among the traits expressed for the umpteenth time were: beating up on the poor, rejection of evidence and science in favour of tendentious ideological gamesmanship, and favouring the big end of town…

    Economic History Lesson: The Howard/Costello Era:
    http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/economic-history-lesson-howardcostello.html

    …We were told there would be surpluses into the next decade. In fact, the budget was shot at the time of the election because too much of the revenue windfall from the resources boom had been handed back as tax cuts and increased spending.

    “The structural budget balance deteriorated from 2002-03, moving into structural deficit in 2006-07,” Treasury said in budget paper No1 on Tuesday night.

    The Coalition will resist this reading of recent history. It will want to argue that a larger surplus on paper in the good times would have been untenable because the electorate wanted its money back.

    It should give up now. Peter Costello left a trail of clues in the extensive interviews he gave to authors before and after the election that John Howard’s mania for spending was damaging the integrity of the budget…

    Hey, big spender: Howard the king of the loose purse strings:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html

    …Australia’s most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found.

    The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.

    It identifies only two periods of Australian “fiscal profligacy” in recent years, both during John Howard’s term in office – in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007…

    How Howard’s last budget planted the seeds of deficit
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/5/8/federal-budget/how-howards-last-budget-planted-seeds-deficit

    There’s plenty more evidence to be found 🙂

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 5:33 pm

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2015 5:48 pm

    There’s plenty more evidence to be found 🙂

    Yes, KL, and it gets wearying providing it … to dampen the shrill cries of tory pterodactyls …

  313. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2015 8:10 pm

    There’s plenty more evidence to be found

    Yes and here is some more

    http://thekouk.com/blog/the-highest-taxing-governments-in-australia-s-history.html

    This got me thinking about high taxes and which side of politics resorts to tax revenue in its budgetary planning…………..The top 7 go to the Howard government which takes the cake for the highest taxing government in Australia’s history.

    So Koukoulas says Howard/Costello taxed the crap out of people to get their surplus budgets. A totally different story to the links provided by AO.

    So some lefties say Costello did not tax enough and some other lefties say Costello taxed too much.

    Basically the hatred you people have for the Coalition is insane.

  314. June 22, 2015 8:11 pm

    Their internet strangling is doomed to fail, ultimately, but the Abbottlickers don’t care about the money wasted, nor indeed the ‘chilling effects’ (presumably the same ones which they cared so much about when paw diddums andwew bloort was under siege).
    Sharing isn’t stealing; prove otherwise.

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 9:38 pm

    I blame both majors. in their quest for total executive power and toadying up to insatiable and predatory US corporations, they have completely sold out the public interest. Never let them forget the day they censored us.

  316. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 10:58 pm

  317. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2015 11:07 pm

  318. June 23, 2015 1:01 am

    Teabags tend to panic when things get difficult or not go their way.

    saturday paper””””’The government`s three-word tax slogan, ”lower, simpler, fairer”, looked like `some kind of morbid joke`, Costello wrote”””’#via.armchair

    +

    sat-paper”””Hockey was stung and replied in kind, saying Costello was entitled to give free advice, but the fact that it was free indicated `what it`s worth`. He pointed out, quite fairly, that he faced a much more difficult economic situation than Costello #EVER did.

    `If I had the same revenue as he had, then I`d be getting $25 billion extra each year to be able to spend on things,` Hockey said.

    And there it was, the accidental #TRUTH.

    After 18 months of insisting he was dealing with a `debt and deficit disaster` caused by excessive spending by the previous Labor government,

    Hockey has finally acknowledged that the current budget crisis is much more about #REVENUE than spending.””””

    +

    #as we can see, as teabags implode the truth then tends to be released

    #notice that for all the wailing `our` teabags have done around here, these few paragraphs seem to be proving the NON-teabags arguments correct, such as: john-w squandered the economic boom, costello`s job wasn`t anywhere near as hard as swan07`s, joolya`s or eleventy`s. lt was always the revenue (and-jobs) they abdicated during the john.w regime. Along with a hell of a lot of corporate-welfare wastage.

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 23, 2015 1:20 am

    **sigh**

    How I miss the good old days when Swan was in charge of the economic policy.

    Remember how we had monetary and fiscal policy pulling in opposite directions?

    That was hilarious!

  320. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 7:51 am

    That was hilarious!

    Obviously the IMF and Euromoney were laughing all the way to the ………….. 😯

    😉

  321. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:21 am

    Speaking of hilarious, this is classic stand up

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:00 am

    Perhaps Wilson means that Triggs who has a taxpayer funded Public Service job should leave the PS and stand for public office if she wants to play politics.

  323. June 23, 2015 9:07 am

    Good morning Teabags, remember it`s `team-cheering-tuesday` so tune-in to my abc for the 3rd and final episode of the `killing-season`, proudly brought to you by kevin07, jooLiar and the team-blib all-stars.

  324. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:11 am

    who has a taxpayer funded Public Service job

    What’s wilson doing for a job now nil ❓ 😯

    the 3rd and final episode

    It may turn out to be not what people expect. Maybe just a reminder about how toxic that last parliament was

    “I really don’t know why this wasn’t a career-ending moment for Tony Abbott – sexism is no better than racism,” she says.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julia-gillard-on-the-moment-that-should-have-killed-tony-abbotts-career-20150622-ghug63.html

  325. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:21 am

    “I really don’t know why this wasn’t a career-ending moment for Tony Abbott – sexism is no better than racism,” she says.

    And that opinion just goes to show how fucked all her judgements are/were.

    Thanks for reminding us all

  326. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:24 am

    Public Servants have to be careful what they say.Wilson obviously believes that Triggs has crossed the line.

    I remember some lefties saying Howard stopped some scientists speaking about climate change. After doing a search i found the scientist in question, Pearman, was a CSIRO scientist ( a Federal govt organisation) about to turn up and speak at a rally organised by Anthony Albanese to speak out against Howard govt climate change policies. Now that is wrong.

    Taxpayer funded Public Servants should not use their taxpayer funded jobs for partisian purposes.

  327. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:27 am

    And that opinion just goes to show how fucked all her judgements are/were.

    Exactly, being the PM, she should have known how racist and sexist her country is.

    Interesting listening to the pundits this morning wondering about just why the means testing for public schools was even floated considering the grubmint has (awkwardly) ruled it out.

    Fucken muppets.

  328. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:30 am

    Wilson obviously believes that Triggs has crossed the line.

    And many believe (know) Wilson has on many occasions.

    An obviously politically driven appointment complaining about another one HE believes/is told is political is just fucken hilarious.

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:41 am

    An obviously politically driven appointment complaining about another one HE believes/is told is political is just fucken hilarious.

    Interesting point.

    But do you think Graeme Pearman, a CSIRO (Federally funded) scientist should turn up to a political rally organised by Albanese to preach against Howard govt climate change policies? I remember years ago lefties complaining about this saying Howard was silencing critics.

    And your tweet by Michael Woodhead compares Wilson working at IPA (He spent 7 years at IPA.) which is privately funded to Triggs working in a Federal govt taxpayer funded job. Woodhead made an incorrect comparison.

  330. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:43 am

    Woodhead made an incorrect comparison.

    Where the fuck is wilson employed NOW you dopey dimwit. Do you think wilson has suddenly changed his ways?

    IPA: Australian Human Rights Commission should be abolished

    https://ipa.org.au/publications/2146/ipa-australian-human-rights-commission-should-be-abolished

  331. June 23, 2015 9:44 am

    smh”””Julia Gillard says Tony Abbott`s appearance before sexist signs at a political rally should have ended his career.”””’

    smh”””’It`s the moment Julia Gillard says should have killed Tony Abbott’s career.””””’via-tr

    #These are the type of comments that show how far outside reality jooLiar was operating, and still is. JooLiar, all under her own steam, snatched-up the poison challis, and would not stop guzzling from it.

  332. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:52 am

    But do you think Graeme Pearman, a CSIRO (Federally funded) scientist should turn up to a political rally organised by Albanese to preach against Howard govt climate change policies?

    If you are asking should a federally funded scientist be blocked from offering his professional insight from his particular field of endeavour at an information session, then no, he should not be.

    This is after all what we pay professionals for. I take it you are for silencing information then?

  333. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:54 am

    Where the fuck is wilson employed NOW you dopey dimwit.

    It was Woodhead who made the incorrect comparison between Wilson employed by IPA for 7 years (privately funded) with Triggs (taxpayer funded) trying to influence public policy.

  334. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 9:57 am

    If you are asking should a federally funded scientist be blocked from offering his professional insight from his particular field of endeavour at an information session, then no, he should not be.

    Pearman was going to speak at a political rally organised by an Opposition politician (Albanese) to speak out against Howard govt climate change policies.

    I remember lefties say this was Howard trying to silence his critics. If Pearman wants to speak out against govt policy he can leave the Public Service (CSIRO) and campaign all he wants.

  335. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:06 am

    to speak out against Howard govt climate change policies.

    You are assuming that a scientist would do that. He was never given the opportunity to pass on his knowledge to others. THAT is a suppression in freedom of speech, something #freedomboy wilson has constantly baulked at because HE IS STILL AN IPA SHILL!

    He protects the corporations at every step, but will not defend Triggs for doing her job. He is the ultimate in political appointments, and for him to be lecturing others about that, is so fucken hypocritical that even a numpty like you must see it.

    The commission had not anticipated it would have to pay Mr Wilson’s salary as new appointees usually come with extra federal government funding, a spokesman said.

    Mr Wilson was appointed to the commission last week by Attorney-General George Brandis, in a move that shocked the political establishment, as Mr Wilson had been a director at the Institute of Public Affairs, which has called for the abolition of the Human Rights Commission.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tim-wilsons-appointment-as-human-rights-commissioner-could-see-cuts-to-a-program-on-school-bullying-20131222-2zt17.html

    These are the type of comments that show how far outside reality jooLiar was operating

    These are the type of comments that show how far outside reality our political system IS operating

  336. June 23, 2015 10:18 am

    Operating outside reality is not restricted to jooLiar alone tho,

    tr””””Exactly, being the PM, she should have known how racist and sexist her country is.””””””’

    #it is also the modus operandi of caucus, blib and poll-watching team-cheerers too.

    #What they `all` ””should have known””’ is knifing a `gough-like` prime meddler elected in an `its-time` fanfare moment, would definitely have `consequences` with the electorate.

    #Had team rabble taken into account the consequences of knifing kevin07, they would have realized jooLiar was doomed from day-one, the teabags however did seem to realize the consequences, this is why they could get away with the `bitch`n`witch` slogan signs, tim`s-gay and all the other grubby crap. Teabag and teabumpkin voters were not going to leave them for doing the grubby stuff. Kevin07 voters did leave the rabble for the knifing and seem to have mainly gone to the greenz, and they won`t come back for blib.

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:20 am

    He was never given the opportunity to pass on his knowledge to others.

    Wrong. Pearman was never stopped from publishing on climate change. He was banned from speaking at a political rally. I remember this was presented by lefties of Howard silencing his critics.

    http://anthonyalbanese.com.au/matter-of-public-importance-climate-change-and-independent-scientific-analysis

    On 28 July 2004 I organised a forum, at Newtown RSL in my electorate, titled, ‘The day before tomorrow: the real threat of climate change and what Australia should do about it’. I placed ads in the newspapers. We produced posters. I direct-mailed around the electorate. I had speakers advertised for this information forum—Kelvin Thomson, the shadow minister for the environment; Anna Reynolds, the climate change campaign director from WWF; and Dr Graeme Pearman from the CSIRO—on the greatest challenge facing the global community. But Dr Pearman rang us up the day before the forum was to take place—it was not taking place during an election campaign, it was not canvassing votes for any political party; it was doing what good local members in this place do on both sides of the House and doing what Dr Pearman has told me he has done before for forums of all political persuasions: being there as an eminent scientist—and said that he was told he was not allowed to come to that information forum in my electorate to talk about climate change.

  338. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:25 am

    So, this is what a “unity ticket” looks like.

    If the Australian public ever needed proof that school funding is a mess or that the Gonski reforms are all but dead, we now have it.

    A confidential discussion paper by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet shows how radically the Abbott government has departed from the equitable funding model proposed by the Gonski report in 2011. Not only is Gonski gone, but it also appears that a range of weird and wonderful new reform options is on the table.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/leaked-report-shows-school-funding-is-in-a-mess-20150622-ghu8c6.html

    #Had team rabble taken into account the consequences of knifing kevin07

    Had they taken into account the fact that rudd thought he was bigger than the party, and was prepared to bring the party down rather than accept their consensus

  339. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:29 am

    and doing what Dr Pearman has told me he has done before for forums of all political persuasions:

    But apparently not in the libs “free speech” world.

  340. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:36 am

    What’s wilson doing for a job now nil

    And he didn’t even need to face any competition, it was an ideological appointment, wilson as the libertarian cuckoo in the nest and the job handed to him on a silver platter. That’s how the private school boys roll. Libertarians aren’t much into human rights, they believe economic and property rights trumps all, it is an abuse of process for him to even be in that job IMO, he certainly had no qualifications for it.

    Triggs’ job is protecting human rights and that is exactly what she is doing – magnificently, She’s got more guts and integrity than the lot of them.

    …Wilson working at IPA (He spent 7 years at IPA.) which is privately funded to Triggs working in a Federal govt taxpayer funded job…

    Who funds the IPA neil?
    It could be the mafia for all we know, we do know that big tobacco, murdoch and perhaps gina funnel funds to them! It is a propaganda organisation and megaphone for radicalised big business which hides the source of it’s funding. And they get charity status too, so the taxpayers fund them. You could say they are a union pushing political advocacy and outcomes for big business extremists.

  341. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:36 am

    Also, what is interesting in todays context, is the fact that our present speaker, the one generally accepted as the most partisan speaker ever, was right there next to the misogynist abbott and the “Bob Browns Bitch” signs spurring him along and laughing at the whole thing.

    Is there any wonder our current parliament is such a friggin mess?

  342. June 23, 2015 10:45 am

    tr”””our current parliament is such a friggin mess?”””’

    #Yes it is, and team-rabble played a huge part to `enable` it to be this way. Currently, caucus and blib are more likely to aid in keeping it that way too.

  343. June 23, 2015 10:46 am

    A good article on the sad state of Australian politics…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-23/matthewson-dont-like-the-current-leaders/6562490

  344. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2015 10:57 am

    Yeah………..as usual the Left gets its facts wrong this time on Tim Wilson

    “Focus on what it says, focus on the research that’s gone into it and the human stories that have gone into it. That is what needs to happen because if we don’t then The Forgotten Children report will simply be forgotten and so will the lessons from it.’’

    – Tim Wilson

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/politics-news/tim-wilson-opens-up-over-gillian-triggs-report/story-fn59nqld-1227224325793

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:00 am

    Wilson is the one person I admire on the Human Right s Commission. The sooner the government sacks the thousands of leftists holding publicly-funded office and replaces them with genuine libertarians like Wilson the better for the country. For way too long leftist vermin have suckled on the public teat and poisoned society with their hateful agenda.

  346. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:04 am

    I think Q&A did the government a huge favour last night by highlinghting the thoughts of an Islamic extremist.

    I really dont know why the LNP are criticising the ABC over it. Whatever stunt the ABC had cooked up obviously badly backfired on them when the idiot at the front of the audience opened his gob

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/form-of-sedition-coalition-mps-slam-abc-for-allowing-former-terrorism-suspect-on-qa-20150623-ghv0dj

  347. June 23, 2015 11:15 am

    So the free speech advocates at the LNP are today outraged at the level of free speech allowed on QandA…

    Well I never..

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:16 am

    …and said that he was told he was not allowed to come to that information forum in my electorate to talk about climate change…

    Another example of howard’s politicisation of the public service. Don’t forget he also silenced the NGO’s/charities by threats to remove funding if they criticised the government. More like china or russia than an open and democratic country. You’ll never convince me that the libs aren’t fascist by nature, it’s in their DNA. I still remember the dark days of howard’s regime and abbott has taken us to a new level of oppressive control, I’d like to see a national dissent from his government.

    ..The sooner the government sacks the thousands of leftists holding publicly-funded office and replaces them with genuine libertarians like Wilson the better for the country.

    I don’t want leftists, rightists or libertarians in public office, I want professional and politically unbiased people who serve the public well, without an ideological crusade.

    What makes you think that australians want libertarian extremists creeping through their public offices anyway? The teabags of the LNP get more votes than them at elections. What % of the vote did Lleyonhelm’s party get? [and wasn’t that miniscule %age due to confusing people with their name?]

  349. June 23, 2015 11:23 am

    Albo warned the rabble that knifing kevin07 would kill-off TWO prime meddlers. That`s a fcuking fine `consensus` ya`got there team-cheerer.

    +

    Surprisingly, l quite enjoyed the yanks on the panel last night, particularly the dude that gave morris a right bollocking. #qandaland

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:35 am

    That was a very good article by paula mathewson reb. The first sentence says it all.

    “There is real despair in the community about our current political leaders,”

    One of the commenters said it better:

    “No – Australian voters are currently saddled with two dud political parties.”

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:39 am

    Thanks to howard and abbott pushing the politics of hate, this is the australia we now live in.

  352. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:40 am

    “I want professional and politically unbiased people who serve the public well, without an ideological crusade.”

    So you want the ABC propaganda unit closed down?

    “I think Q&A did the government a huge favour last night by highlinghting the thoughts of an Islamic extremist.”

    Exactly – big backfire for the attempted ambush by Snowcone Jones at his bleeding-heart soirée. The audience cheering the Islamist once again showed the leftist/islamofascist alliance in action. Ciobo is a legend!

  353. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:43 am

    “Thanks to howard and abbott pushing the politics of hate, this is the australia we now live in.”

    Lookout…………totally unhinged Leftie on the blog

  354. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:47 am

    “No – Australian voters are currently saddled with two dud political parties.”

    If you want to put it like that, then I’d argue the answer is 3.

    But I wouldn’t, there is only 1 dud political party, who is dragging everyone else down with it, ably enabled by a media that runs a protection racket for it.

  355. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:48 am

  356. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 11:59 am

    Ciobo is a legend!

    Is this the “slit Julia Gillard’s throat” ciobo?

  357. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 12:04 pm

    Another example of howard’s politicisation of the public service.

    Howard never did this.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/scientist-quits-csiro-amid-censorship-claims-20091203-k8vb.html

    “The spat centres on a paper Dr Spash wrote, The Brave New World of Carbon Trading, which criticised cap and trade schemes, such as that proposed by the Rudd Government.

    The CSIRO refused permission for the paper to be published in the journal New Political Economy because it deemed it in breach of the CSIRO charter, which prevents staff from publicly debating the merits of government or opposition policies.

    I remember Howard being condemned for silencing Pearman who actually was never silenced. Pearman could publish and present talks at scientific forums.

    But Rudd banned a paper from being published. Lefties would have exploded if Howard did that.

  358. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 12:40 pm

    Stating the obvious really.

    Julia Gillard exclusive interview: the timid ABC is rewarding Tony Abbott:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/23/julia-gillard-exclusive-interview-the-timid-abc-is-rewarding-tony-abbott?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Former Labor PM tells Guardian Australia that attacks by Abbott and the power of News Corp’s bias have led to a ‘pulling of punches’ by the national broadcaster…

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 12:47 pm

    But Rudd banned a paper from being published. Lefties would have exploded if Howard did that.

    Howard did more than that, he would have publicly crucified the bloke, got his murdoch media mates to do the same and then he would have got the guy sacked or forced him to resign and then he would defund the organisation.

  360. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 12:55 pm

    Bit crazy there AO. Howard govt never banned Pearman from publishing or speaking at scientific forums. He was banned from turning up to a political rally organised by a Opposition MP. And that is the correct ruling.The CSIRO is a Federal govt body.

    But Rudd govt banned Dr Spash from publishing because the content of the paper went against govt policy. I find that strange.

  361. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 12:57 pm

    Have people only just noticed? He’s been doing it ever since he became the leader of his party! Whenever they want a nasty policy to look reasonable they get the loonies to state something outrageous. He’s been playing us all along, but once more, no scrutiny at all.

    Gambling with education
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/the-monthly-today/sean-kelly/2015/22/2015/1434954014/gambling-education

  362. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 1:14 pm

    Pearman could publish and present talks at scientific forums.

    Exactly. Whereas, the other one was making political points, not scientific.

    That’s the problem.

  363. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 1:15 pm

    We should have known the moment they said “unity ticket” AO

    Oh, that’s right, some of us did. 😉

    And then the laughing stopped and the grins froze in place and everyone realised this jabbering toff from Adelaide was serious.

    Serious enough to float a proposal that the federal government stop paying anything towards state school education, while maintaining billions of dollars in funding to the elite private schools that so many members of this government went to, and which so many of them send their own children to now.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/tony-abbott-and-christopher-pynes-private-school-ties-are-a-lesson-to-us-all-20150622-ghubj6.html

  364. June 23, 2015 1:30 pm

    Today’s citizenship press conference. A ten flag affair…

  365. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 1:51 pm

    …He was banned from turning up to a political rally organised by a Opposition MP. And that is the correct ruling.The CSIRO is a Federal govt body…

    Yes, so what?

    Do governments get to dictate a public servant’s movements as a private citizen? or their political opinions, thoughts and affiliations?

    As long as he is not representing his govt department in public, as long as he is there in his capacity as a private citizen, it is OK. I don’t know anything about that controversy but governments’s can’t dictate a public servant’s private political opinions, they are allowed them the same as you and I in a democracy. It’s called freedom of speech, freedom of movement and association, otherwise we might as well be north korea.

    Different story if he went to the rally representing his government department and pushing opposing views.

    But Rudd govt banned Dr Spash from publishing because the content of the paper went against govt policy. I find that strange.

    Then you don’t understand, or can’t accept that the government of the day is elected to govern and are entitled to have their policies implemented, these have to be accepted by government departments and their employees. If they don’t like it, they can resign.

    And it wasn’t rudd, it was the CSIRO management that banned him, I would assume because one of their employees is publicly criticising current government policy.

    Govt departments are supposed to support the policies of the govt of the day.

  366. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 1:53 pm

    I’m not sure we have reached peak flag yet reb. Wait until the actual election

    Julia Gillard has delivered a biting critique of the modern media for shallow, policy-light reporting, bias, inaccuracy and succumbing to “bullying”, accusing the Daily Telegraph of “integrated bias” and the ABC of “pulling its punches” for fear of more attacks by the Abbott government.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/23/julia-gillard-exclusive-interview-the-timid-abc-is-rewarding-tony-abbott?CMP=share_btn_tw

    And, just in time to prove Gillard correct……..Again

  367. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:05 pm

    “Whereas, the other one was making political points, not scientific.”

    Bullshit. It was an economic paper that had passed peer review and was ready for publication. Shutting up people you don’t agree with is typical of the wacky world of climate “science”.

  368. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:06 pm

    Peak Flag REACHED.. Ten flag PM Presser

    😆

    death cult, death cult, death cult, death cult, death cult…

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:10 pm

    Do governments get to dictate a public servant’s movements as a private citizen? or their political opinions, thoughts and affiliations?

    I think they do. Speaking at a rally organised by an Opposition MP and preaching against Public policy i think is banned for a public servant.

    Dr Spash under Rudd had his paper banned from being published because it went against govt policy. I doubt if the Howard govt was in power that would have happened. Lefties like to say they are more progressive by they are actually more controliing.

  370. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:15 pm

    It was an economic paper that had passed peer review and was ready for publication.

    But it had not adhered to the CSIRO standards of not taking a political opinion. That is the issue.

    ”CSIRO staff are actively encouraged to debate publicly the latest science and its implications and to analyse policy options. However under our charter we do not advocate for or against specific government or opposition policies,” she said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/scientist-quits-csiro-amid-censorship-claims-20091203-k8vb.html

  371. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:17 pm

    death cult, death cult, death cult, death cult, death cult…

  372. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:25 pm

    I think they do. Speaking at a rally organised by an Opposition MP and preaching against Public policy i think is banned for a public servant.

    I don’t. PS’s are entitled to their own views.
    How can we have a situation where there is freedom of speech for everyone except PS’s, freedom for a publicly funded religion to discriminate even, yet a PS is not allowed to have and hold any personal opinions? That is not equality and is treating PS’s as second class citizens who are not allowed to enjoy the same democratic rights as other citizens.

    What was that rally about? Was the PS speaking at the rally in his professional capacity or private citizen capacity? and did he inform the public that his opinions do not represent the views of his organisation? Was he preaching against the public policy of his own organisation?

  373. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:31 pm

  374. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:34 pm

    But it had not adhered to the CSIRO standards of not taking a political opinion. That is the issue.

    These were new standards introduced by the Rudd govt. I remember Kim Carr getting up and saying these new standards/charter will make the CSIRO more independent.

    Dr Spash said the CSIRO charter, introduced by the Rudd Government last year, was leading to self-censorship. ”The way the publication policy and the charter are being interpreted will encourage self-censorship,” he said.

    Banning a paper is something the Howard govt would never have done.

  375. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2015 2:42 pm

    “But it had not adhered to the CSIRO standards of not taking a political opinion. That is the issue.”

    That would be “standards” introduced by Rudd to make sure that CSIRO scientists were gagged. This is completely consistent with the ALP’s contempt for free speech and its insanely thin skin when it comes to being criticised.

    Anyway what is political about disagreeing with cap and trade on economic grounds? That is a matter of economics. Only a thin-skinned psychopath would think otherwise. Oh wait, that is what the ALP said about Rudd. Remind me again why they decided to bring him back?

  376. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 3:01 pm

    Anyway what is political about disagreeing with cap and trade on economic grounds?

    It would depend on how it was couched, and, without seeing the paper, I wouldn’t know.

    That is a matter of economics. Only a thin-skinned psychopath would think otherwise.

    hehehehe

  377. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2015 3:16 pm

    This is how the new charters were announced by the Rudd govt. I love how lefties introduce censorship by saying how much better the new charter is.

    http://archive.industry.gov.au/ministerarchive2011/carr/MediaReleases/Pages/CHARTERTOPROTECTSCIENTIFICDEBATE.html

    Senator Kim Carr, Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research, today announced that the integrity and independence of public research institutions, and the right of their researchers to contribute to public debate on their areas of expertise, will be protected by new charters.

    Unless of course you are Dr Spash

  378. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2015 3:26 pm

    I love how lefties introduce censorship by saying how much better the new charter is.

    wow, you want to see censorship, telling someone not to be political in their professional role pales to what we have now.

    “They’ve given this disgraceful individual a platform and in so doing I believe the national broadcaster has badly let us down,” Abbott said. “I think many millions of Australians would feel betrayed by our national broadcaster right now. I do think the ABC needs to have a long hard look at itself, and answer a question I’ve posed before: whose side are you on?

    “Fair enough, we all believe in free speech, but in the end, you all have to make judgements.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/23/abbott-asks-the-abc-whose-side-are-you-on-over-zaky-mallahs-qa-appearance?CMP=share_btn_tw

    And that took 10 flags!

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2015 3:54 pm

    The audience cheering the Islamist once again showed the leftist/islamofascist alliance in action. Ciobo is a legend!

    I wondered how long the charade would last … leopards and spots, methinks …

    … Ciobo was a fool to reply the way he did … he let personal emotion get in the way of a logical response …

    … typical transactional analysis stuff … talk like a child and expect a child’s response from a childlike adult … rather than an adults response …

    … he was found not guilty by a court of LAW and Ciaobo wanted to run him out of the country, duh … and Zaky Mallah just hit back … foolishly I admit … it was an “Oh, yeah!” moment … and what does the The Mad Abbott do – comes out in a fighting stance with stupid Turncoat joining the Gang …

    What a bunch of whimps … I’ve never seen so much silly, macho, posturing and bullshit in all my life …

    … the audience support for Mallah wasthe fact that Ciaobo had set the program back to stop radicals going to Syria … and Mallah said so … shit how the truth hurts tories …

    And once the questions become too difficult to answer … the righties (if you want to play silly buggers) lose the plot from the top down … apparently … and all get out the latest hymn sheet … “rememeber to say that Ciaobo is a legend” … claptrap …

    Joel Fitzgibbon was as weak as water and sounded very much like a small L Lib … but I don’t hear anybody here say get rid of the ABC …

    What about “The Killing Season” … the tories would be apoplectic if something similar was running on the LibNits right now! (I do look forward to a similar series on the Abbott government – “The Silly Season” …

    I can’t believe that any Labor Party Member would even consider going onto a show like that, knowing it would be screened so close to an election … but not a whimper about the “biased ABC” from the left …

  380. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2015 4:23 pm

    “I do look forward to a similar series on the Abbott government – “The Silly Season” … “

    Very funny TB 🙂

    No doubt in the ABC version Abbott will be bonking Credlin and Pyne will be there, schoolteachers’ cane in hand, spanking them as they go at it.

  381. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 4:37 pm

    Anyway what is political about disagreeing with cap and trade on economic grounds?

    Well, you would be publicly disagreeing with govt policy.

    …That would be “standards” introduced by Rudd to make sure that CSIRO scientists were gagged. This is completely consistent with the ALP’s contempt for free speech and its insanely thin skin when it comes to being criticised…

    I don’t why they were even exempt from PS standards before that. Other PS depts have had code of conduct etc rammed down their throats for decades. The CSIRO was politicised and defunded during the howard years, it might have been necessary to remind them of the new government’s policies.

    Abbott has gone much further, he has defunded CSIRO again [111.4 M] and he has sacked the entire CSIRO board, that is the contempt the coalition has for science and scientific research and inquiry.

    Now we’re left with brainless ideologues.

    CSIRO head decries Coalition’s ‘brutal’ ruling out of Labor-appointed directors:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/06/coalition-ban-on-second-term-for-labor-appointed-agency-directors-brutal

    There appears to be a “brutal” rule that directors of federal government agencies appointed under Labor will not get another term, the outgoing CSIRO chairman Simon McKeon has said.

    “The reality is that, yes, there is a rule that no one on the board of a federal government agency has been reappointed,” McKeon said when asked about the Labor board appointees at an Australian Institute of Company Directors (AICD) function on Thursday. “It’s an issue that many people are finding worrying.”

    McKeon, whose term as the CSIRO chairman ends in June, said it was not about him.

    “The great majority of people who put up their hands to serve on a federal government agency are really doing it for the nation,” he said. “All I’m saying is we’re missing out on the corporate memory…

    Which is why abbott & co have been nothing but chaos, policies as thought bubbles one day only to be withdrawn the next. A minister saying one thing and the PM saying the opposite the next day, government by media release and leaks. Moribund zombies as ministers, who have just about everyone they’ve had dealings with.
    Death cult, death cult, death cult on overdrive instead of good governance, because there is no good governance, it’s a total shambles. I half expect the next thing for abbott to do is to surround himself with as many 4 star generals as he has flags, the conversion to a fascist dictatorship would be complete.

  382. June 23, 2015 4:54 pm

    For your discernment…

    Indeed, there are multiple ways to access blocked sites,Tor being a good free one, although the speeds are not great. I use a paid VPN, which also has stealth mode which can penetrate the GFWC by masking the VPN as normal HTTP traffic, like to see how our government could stop something like this if even the Chinese government can’t do so with their giant wall of censorship.

    My speeds are a bit reduced from normal, but I’ve found choosing a server from a country that’s not in a peak demand period (i.e choose predawn their time) will help speed things up.

    Our technologically regressive government is wasting time and our tax money with this ineffective measure, but that’s par for the course, anything to please Uncle Rupert et al, even if it’s blatantly obvious it won’t achieve their aims.
    Perhaps though it’s just another distraction from the dodgy budgets and Abbott’s ideological war on the poor.

    A few important things to note if you’re new to using VPNs:

    First, make sure your VPN of choice has a killswitch script, so if the VPN connection is lost or interrupted your activity won’t auto resume on your unprotected local network. Many VPNs now have this and it’s very simple to set up.

    Second, when you first start your VPN go to https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ and check your IP matches your VPN, if it doesn’t there are many guides online to set a custom dns via your OS of choice network manager or your router. It’s vitally important this is done to protect your privacy and to prevent your online activity from being detected and logged.

    An excellent resource for learning more about protecting your privacy online are the Electronic Frontier Foundation Surveillance Self Defense guides, if like me you are concerned that the mandatory data retention will make your stored metadata vulnerable to hackers I highly recommend checking it out for some tips to mitigate some of the risks…
    https://ssd.eff.org/

  383. June 23, 2015 5:00 pm

    I chose to allow the source to remain anonymous…and they were, for all intents, anyway…

  384. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 5:54 pm

    Bookmarked toilet!

    … he was found not guilty by a court of LAW and Ciaobo wanted to run him out of the country, duh … and Zaky Mallah just hit back …

    Of course he did, he was provoked by ciobo saying he would happily see his citizenship removed.

    The government has decided that if people say things they don’t like they will be banished forever from the country. Words are bullets to the ‘let freedom ring’ mob. A verbal threat is as good as the deed, remove them from this earth!
    Half the country would be non citizens if that law were applied equally to all, especially the domestic terrorists, the wife bashers and murderers.

    I did enjoy the foreigner antony who gave aboriginal people a platform to be heard, a beautiful singing voice too! What is wrong with us when it takes citizens from another country to give a voice to the forgotten and oppressed people here?

    Oh well, as long as the ‘aspiring’ and the wealthy get taxpayer funding to send their kids to elite schools and can negative gear another house for reno, who cares about the ones left behind or the ones being demonised for political gain.

    The two americans were there saying, you really don’t want to emulate us, our country stinks when it comes to equality, you should be really worried about going the way of the US, but we had two MP’s who spoke as one on going the full neoliberal desecration of our society. Fkn nuclear is mooted while the sun shines and the wind blows for free, but these knobs can’t see a way of personally profiteering off it and the wishes of the party donors/business lobby are more important than the country or it’s people. I expected ciobo to be a disgrace but joel fitzgibbon more than equalled him.
    The two majors are sickening in their kowtowing to the big business lobbies. Watch them all jump aboard the gravy train in an orgy of greed to get their sticky fingers into these [taxpayer funded] schemes. The public will get what they deserve if they don’t start voting out these corrupt, morally and ethically bankrupted parties who wouldn’t know the words ‘common good’ if they tripped over them.

    wtf, what have we come to! The sounds of jackboots ring very loud.

    good!

  385. June 23, 2015 6:26 pm

    “Bookmarked toilet!’

    Well worth it, but you won’t hear the usual suspects screaming for cost benefit analysis of these types of fraught government policies.

  386. June 23, 2015 6:30 pm

    ” I expected ciobo to be a disgrace but joel fitzgibbon more than equalled him.”

    Indeed.

    The two non-choices may, verily, go and fuck their dishonourable selves with the non-impact end of their clawhammers.

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2015 6:46 pm

    I expected ciobo to be a disgrace but joel fitzgibbon more than equalled him.

    The two majors are sickening in their kowtowing to the big business lobbies.

    Hear! Hear! KL … my take exactly …

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  388. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 7:57 pm

    Well worth it, but you won’t hear the usual suspects screaming for cost benefit analysis of these types of fraught government policies.

    We use avast internet security toilet [the full one]

    They also offer a VPN service which I can pay at $10/mth, $50 for 6 mths, or a yearly fee. All I have to do is click on the connect secure line VPN button, do you think that’s any good? Or do we need something more secure eg tor?

  389. June 23, 2015 8:07 pm
  390. June 23, 2015 8:15 pm

    “We use avast internet security toilet [the full one]”

    Me too.

    “They also offer a VPN service which I can pay at $10/mth, $50 for 6 mths, or a yearly fee. All I have to do is click on the connect secure line VPN button, do you think that’s any good? Or do we need something more secure eg tor?”

    They keep logs, and potentially may cave in & hand over said logs of your ISP activity, they certainly have never explicitly stated that they won’t, and the good ones [VPN’s] do) I am wary. My VPN is based in a foreign country not subject to various laws of Aus, US, UK etc. They do their business by being reputable.
    There was a good time had by all?

  391. June 23, 2015 8:17 pm

    I now use AVAST & a different VPN (paid). Worth it.

    Good, reliable VPN reviews may be found at torrentfreak etc.

  392. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:27 pm

    Thanks toilet 🙂

  393. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:34 pm

    I read somewhere that people should use an OS based email client too, something like Gmail [unsure of Gmail/google actually, I think they handed over some client records to the US feds recently] because our australian ones can be poured over by our feds.

  394. June 23, 2015 11:53 pm

    Apparent “infringers of the copyright” seem quite concerned about concealing their online activities and identities.

  395. June 24, 2015 12:06 am

    “Some of the motives for engaging in copyright infringement are the following:

    Pricing – unwillingness or inability to pay the price requested by the legitimate sellers

    Unavailability – no legitimate sellers providing the product in the country of the end-user: not yet launched there, already withdrawn from sales, never to be sold there, geographical restrictions on online distribution and international shipping

    Usefulness – the legitimate product comes with various means (DRM, region lock, DVD region code, Blu-ray region code) of restricting legitimate use (backups, usage on devices of different vendors, offline usage) or comes with annoying non-skippable advertisements and anti-piracy disclaimers, which are removed in the pirated product making it more desirable for the end-user

    Shopping experience – no legitimate sellers providing the product with the required quality through online distribution and through a shopping system with the required level of user-friendliness

    Anonymity – Downloading works does not require identification whereas downloads directly from the website of the copyright owner often require a valid email address and/ or other credentials”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Copyright_infringement#Motivation

    I’ll go out on a limb here and say most of the copyright infringement we’re talking about here is motivated by point number one: Pricing.

    That is, the copyright infringer values receiving copyrighted material for free, more than any right to a monetary return the copyright holder might have.

  396. June 24, 2015 12:10 am

    “The usual justification of copyright is to enable creators of intellectual wealth to financially support themselves and give them a motive to continue publishing their creations. With copyright in place, the author of a book or the photographer of a photograph can charge users who want to get a copy of their creations and thus support themselves. Before copyright, authors generally requested a large-sum one-off payment from the printer of their book before publishing it. Artists could publish a small subset of their creations and then request payment before they published more (also see the street performer protocol). With copyright in place, and assuming efficient enforcement, authors, photographers and other intellectual workers can publish their creations immediately and wait for licensing requests from people who want to use or re-publish their works. Examples of this model for funding photography are Alamy, Corbis, Getty Images, and other stock photography image banks).[citation needed]

    Copyright critics claim copyright law protects corporate interests while criminalizing legitimate uses, while proponents argue the law is fair and just, protecting the interest of the creator.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Justification

  397. June 24, 2015 12:20 am

    ‘The Statute of Anne, an act of the Parliament of Great Britain [in 1710], was the first statute to provide for copyright regulated by the government and courts, rather than by private parties … The statute is considered a “watershed event in Anglo-American copyright history … transforming what had been the publishers’ private law copyright into a public law grant”. Under the statute, copyright was for the first time vested in authors rather than publishers; it also included provisions for the public interest, such as a legal deposit scheme. The Statute was an influence on copyright law in several other nations, including the United States, and even in the 21st century is “frequently invoked by modern judges and academics as embodying the utilitarian underpinnings of copyright law”.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne

  398. June 24, 2015 12:28 am

    Some ‘infringers of the copyright’ might have motivations other than pricing i.e. wanting to hold on to their own money at the expense of the copyright holder. In which case, I’d love to know what they are.

  399. June 24, 2015 12:42 am

    As an aside, live sport is now the most valu(able)ed free-to-air/cable/online content.

    Live sport is only live once, during which advertisements can’t be skipped over. Copyright infringement can really only occur after the event, when the result is known, and the excitement of the unknown is removed.

  400. June 24, 2015 3:55 am

    Aust Voters ARE stuck with two shit major teams,

    ++But I wouldn`t, there is only 1 dud political party++ is the type of reply of team-cheerers deep in denial about the actions their own team took that reduced them from dizzying highs of popularity among voters in 2007, to the `dud-shit-crap-status` the team has occupied among voters since 2010.

    #To blame the teabag-media, even ruperts teabag-media, is total bullshit, none of the media had pre-warning of the knifing and were all caught by surprise when the knifing was on. The knifing `surprise` showed up teabag-media, particularly the canberra press-zombies, that none of them possessed `any` of the particular wisdom that they so often claim they have.

    #Post-knifing, the evidence shows the canberra press-zombies have learned little-to-nothing from it, as shown by 2010 election interviews thru to today latest `death-cult` regurgitation.

    #Likewise post-knifing, team rabble has learned `sweet-fcuk-all` too. Even having been hammered solidly from 2010 to 2013, just about every fcuking move and statement team rabble have made has been wrong since.

  401. June 24, 2015 5:23 am

    dunny””””My VPN is based in a foreign country””””

    dunny””””They keep logs,””””

    #l wouldn`t rely on getting away with naughtyness based solely on those two aspects, you haven`t mentioned anything on the server side, back-ups, maintenance, automated systems etc

    #You would also need to look at the `routing` both to users such as ya`self AND server side.

    #Tip, Aust web traffic departs queensland to southern california, `tumbles` around in teh-usa and canadia, departs french-canadia on their east-coast to irelandia (northern?), then on to englandia, then/or mainland europa. That`s the telco-cables. Wifi-mobile device, they can pin-point you by your `device` id-chip number.

    #All inbound and outbound traffic is split-off to homeland, has been since `about` 2003/04. lncluding server/image back-ups, updates etc.

  402. June 24, 2015 5:33 am

    oops #All inbound and outbound traffic is split-off to homeland

    #AT southern california

  403. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:33 am

    Copyright infringement can really only occur after the event

    Technology changes everything tosy 😉

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/periscope-proves-an-easy–free-method-for-pirating-mayweather-pacquiao-051526318.html

    I’m not a huge fan of torrenting, as I do understand that, while the big companies lose the money, it is the workers in the industry at the bottom who suffer the most. That is the real ‘trickle down’ economics.

    All inbound and outbound traffic is split-off to homeland

    Then encrypt it 😉

    http://www.tribler.org/

    Also, just when you thought it was safe to use your phone in privacy of your own home …….. Sting rays through the wall

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/stingray-conspiracy-theory-daniel-rigmaiden-radiolab/

    But not only does StingRay track the targeted cell phone, it also extracts data off potentially thousands of other cell phone users in the area.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-hi-tech-police-surveillance-the-stingray-cell-phone-spying-device/5331165

  404. June 24, 2015 8:04 am

    team-cheerer””’Then encrypt it””’#dumb.arse

    tribler””””Tribler does not protect you against spooks and government agencies.””’

    #try checking the link before ya`drop it and look like tool team-cheerer, and by the way `encrypting/encoding` doesn`t change anything, homeland will split-off(meaning-COPY) the encoding mechanism too, so they will already have a head-start on decoding/cracking.

  405. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:19 am

    #try checking the link before ya`drop it

    Does it encrypt it, #dumb.arse ???????????

    Did I claim the spooks can’t see you. In fact, I immediately followed it with a story about how you can run, but you can’t hide. I also supplied the link, and told you I use it, so I know the limitations.

    cheering for nothing is affecting your mind. If there was one to begin with. #dumb.arse

  406. Врачи без границ permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:20 am

    Snowden has blood on his hands.

  407. June 24, 2015 8:41 am

    team=cheerer””’Did I claim the spooks can`t see you.””

    #Well dumb-arse, you did reply to my spooks/homeland comment with the stupid ”’encryption”” and link, which is neither here nor there when homeland has copied every skerrick of data passing thru s.california, you may just buy ya`self a little time, whether it`s http, torrent, email, ftp, it won`t matter, it`s copied.

  408. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:54 am

    It’s like locking your car cheerer

    Don’t make it easy for them 😉

  409. June 24, 2015 9:23 am

    Just took a look at the `stingray` link team-cheerer, my bet is the mexican drug-gangs that control the border-towns will already have placed their orders for their own stingray gear. #double.edged.sword

  410. Switchkill Formula permalink
    June 24, 2015 9:30 am

    “A variation on the idea of a secure machine is to have an insecure machine: a device that you only use when….”

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 9:59 am

    In which case, I’d love to know what they are.

    As you know from my past comments I actually buy BD/DVDs but if they are not available I download … and I have hacked my home theatre system so its region free …

    However, having paid for and sat through shit films like “Noah” for over five decades I sometimes prefer to sample – and keep my money in my pocket … to answer your question …

  412. June 24, 2015 10:27 am

    “”I actually buy BD/DVDs””

    So do I… It’s just that they don’t always come from official channels…

    *cough* *cough*

  413. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:29 am

    …“Some of the motives for engaging in copyright infringement are the following:

    None of the above

    I lead a pretty boring life and don’t have anything that the feds would be interested in, but i am just contrary enough to feel that if i am doing nothing wrong then I should not be arbitrarily surveilled. I have a right to privacy, I don’t think the whole population should be automatically treated as criminals.

    I don’t believe these surveillance laws are necessary, they had enough laws in place already to catch the ‘baddies’.

    I do believe in civil liberties and very much resent the hyped up fear campaign imposed upon us and I resent the bedwetters who so easily acquiesce in giving up my civil liberties in order to stop trembling and somehow feel ‘safer.’

    On copyright, the predatory practices of copyright owners have become worth more than the products themselves, if i pay for something, i want to own it and I want to be able to share it with my friends and family if i so desire, just as I would a book. Copyright owners are leeches who want people to pay for something over and over again and never get to own it.

    Most importantly for me, in a globalised world market where there are supposedly no borders and no barriers, I deeply resent ‘geoblocking’. A digital download costs the same everywhere, there is absolutely no reason other than greed and gouging to have australians geoblocked to obtain a higher price and/or reduced quantity of items [netflix, software, games etc].

    The rules that they want us to play by are not fair, they are designed for one thing only, greedy corporate profiteering.

    I can’t wait for a bill of rights in this country, I am so tired of idiot politicians and their toadying to the US and global corporations. The truth is, if any of us were attacked by a terrorist, a bomb or something, the govt would be able to do very little to prevent it and would offer little to no protection. They can’t even stop women being attacked in their own homes or on the streets.

    Another truth is that the fear of terrorism is a by product of our own actions, if we commence ideological and religious wars, we can certainly expect that the people having their families killed and their cities reduced to rubble are going to become radicalised. Yet here we are all gung ho for more war, abbott wants to send more australian troops off, his only problem is obama won’t commit. So, to make abbott ‘popular’ he is happy to kill, maim and destroy whatever he can. he knows that what he does over there, will increase the likelihood of attacks on us here. Does he care? not one bit.

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:46 am

    One reason I use Kaspersky SKF … good (but very old – 2012 – in the digital world) article … and who would ever use McAfee or Symantec … that article gives good reason not to …

  415. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:47 am

    REVIEW: Geoffrey Robertson’s ‘The Statute of Liberty’
    http://www.cla.asn.au/News/review-geoffrey-robertson-s-the-statute/

    …Robertson takes on one of the main arguments of critics – a shift of power from elected politicians to judges: “… democracy since its inception has relied on judges (‘unelected’ precisely so they can be independent of party politics) to protect the rights of citizens against governments that abuse power.” (p8)…

    …I recommend it as compulsory reading to all genuine doubters, and even – for the benefit of having factual information – to Bob Carr, Professor James Allan of Queensland University, and several of the senior editorial staff and columnists of The Australian newspaper!…

    Open and shut: ASIS’ crime, and the Labor-Liberal cover-up
    http://www.cla.asn.au/News/asis-asio-are-govts-bother-boys/

    …We’re at a crucial point where a government desperate to exploit hysteria about terrorism is demanding unfettered power for the executive and its agencies. If that unfettered power is to include immunity from the consequences of breaking the law, then there is no rule of law in Australia…

  416. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:49 am

    … It’s just that they don’t always come from official channels…

    You mean, JB HiFi rather than hardly normals?

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:56 am

    Well said, KL … again …

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:56 am

    I know somebody who went to China for work purposes and brought back 30 pirated DVD’s. It is wrong. If people do not pay for DVD’s less movies will be made and wages will not be paid. Not for actors but for everybody making films. Even the cleaners.

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:58 am

    So where do I put my latest Film Review blogmeister?

    The Pastor fredd I reckon – that’s purely entertainment … 🙂

  420. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:20 am

    Wouldn’t this be called cheating or industrial espionage for competitive advantage anywhere else? Proves the US govt is just a servant of corporations. They give the security agencies impunity [like australia now] so that the govt and the corporations can operate above the laws of the land.

    WikiLeaks files reveal US wiretapped French presidents Hollande, Sarkozy and Chirac
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/us-wiretapped-three-french-presidents/6568836

    … “While the German disclosures focused on the isolated fact that senior officials were targeted by US intelligence, WikiLeaks’ publication today provides much greater insight into US spying on its allies,” WikiLeaks said.

    This includes “the actual content of intelligence products deriving from the intercepts, showing how the US spies on the phone calls of French leaders and ministers for political, economic and diplomatic intelligence”…

    just as an aside:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/matildas-pay-dwarfed-by-that-of-socceroos/6569022?section=sport

    …The Matildas will be paid less in match fees if they make it to the women’s World Cup final than the Socceroos get for a single group-stage game…

  421. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:05 pm

  422. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:12 pm

    “…The Matildas will be paid less in match fees if they make it to the women’s World Cup final than the Socceroos get for a single group-stage game…”

    And your point is? Given the crowds they draw you would expect that, no? there isn’t that much money in women’s soccer.

    We had this issue in tennis a while back. Now the tennis prize money is equal even though the amount of content generated by womens’ matches is less because they are shorter and even though women can’t play to the same standard as the men.

    I always wondered how this was sustainable given that the earnings from the womens’ matches is likely to be way less. I suspect the earnings deficit is overcome by the eye-candy factor and the tacit agreement of female players to wear apparel appropriate to that end.

  423. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:27 pm

    …I always wondered how this was sustainable given that the earnings from the womens’ matches is likely to be way less. I suspect the earnings deficit is overcome by the eye-candy factor and the tacit agreement of female players to wear apparel appropriate to that end…

    of course, are they allowed to wear what they want yet?

    I don’t think the women’s game should be seen as a comparison to the male game. It is useless to talk about power, height and strength. of course it’s different, but they are not playing the men are they? They play professional tennis the same as the men do.

    Perhaps we should have the separate game then, the men can have theirs for male audiences and women won’t bother attending them or supporting them financially through ticket sales, how about a 50% drop in profits for tennis?

    If you compare their games by gender, you are just reinforcing the patriarchy that exists within all systems of our society [males make the rules to benefit males in society, male superiority, economically and systemically].

  424. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:47 pm

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:59 pm

  426. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:31 pm

    “Perhaps we should have the separate game then, the men can have theirs for male audiences and women won’t bother attending them or supporting them financially through ticket sales, how about a 50% drop in profits for tennis?”

    That already happens in football. Guess what? The mens’ game is the highest earning sport on the planet. Plenty of women pay to watch the game played at that level. The womens’ game not so much.

    “They play professional tennis the same as the men do.”

    No. They play to the same rules but it is a substantially different game to watch – much slower and the girls grunt and moan more.

    It amazes me that people will watch a bizarre array of “sports”. Darts???? So there is probably a bigger market for womens’ sports if promoters can work out how to exploit it.

    “If you compare their games by gender …”

    You started it with a meaningless quip on how little the Matildas get paid.

    Look at the porn industry – the girls there earn way more. You don’t see men complaining about that.

  427. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:38 pm

    Look at the porn industry – the girls there earn way more. You don’t see men complaining about that.

    How do you know that, sb? Do you have a link? 😈

  428. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:43 pm

    They play professional tennis the same as the men do.

    I’ve always had difficulty that women’s grand slam matches are only 3 sets, vs 5 for men, particularly given that the prize money is about the same.

  429. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:03 pm

    Naturally, TB:

    But for the select few females who make it to the top of the industry, paychecks can be “upward of $350,000 a year, while top male performers can make more than $100,000 annually.”

  430. June 24, 2015 6:19 pm

    “In which case, I’d love to know what they are.”

    A leading question, which he already knows the answers to.

    I’m not about to justify my habits.

    I’d suggest coming up with a rational, legitimate explanation for geoblocking/coding, extorting Australian consumers? I’ve never seen one that holds water.

    Rupert can go fuck himself.

    I may be willing to pay for the select few programmes I actually seek…I certainly won’t be extorted into overpriced package deals full of miscellaneous shit I have no interest in. Dumb business model.
    Also, why the hell should we be precluded from streaming services overseas which are more ‘complete’ and cheaper?
    Protecting extortionate Australian monopolies much? Fuck the free market, I suppose.

    Also, #unstoppable #moralargumentsfromcorporateentitiesareeasilyignored

  431. June 24, 2015 6:29 pm

    “It’s like locking your car
    Don’t make it easy for them”

    Exactly how I see it, TomR.

    The new laws are meant to erode the numbers of torrent users, not eliminate them (because they can’t ).
    A lot of it is just scaring a proportion of downloaders into stopping.
    Wait until some of these BigMedia companies actually try it on in court here against individuals…ie. how do they prove internet activity in my house was conducted by me and not just my neighbours piggybacking off my wireless?

    It’s just the illusion of control they’re after. It may curtail a few people who don’t know to try alternatives, but it will not stop shit.

    these types of hapless blocks have been attempted in the UK for years, for little benefit. (google it, arselickers).

  432. June 24, 2015 7:18 pm

    “I’d suggest coming up with a rational, legitimate explanation for geoblocking/coding, extorting Australian consumers? I’ve never seen one that holds water.”

    I’d be more interested in a persuasive argument against copyright.

  433. June 24, 2015 7:28 pm

    I’d be more interested in a persuasive argument for copyright.*

    *Just for argument’s sake…..

  434. June 24, 2015 7:37 pm

    I still haven’t seen one that holds water.

  435. June 24, 2015 7:47 pm

    An ‘infringer of the copyright’ who doesn’t believe in the legitimacy of copyright would sleep soundly. Whereas those who think copyright is legitimate yet infringe to save themselves money may slumber more restlessly.

  436. June 24, 2015 7:48 pm

    I believe the original artist is entitled to earn an income from their creative output.

    But, as a user, if you have purchased the CD (for example) once, should you thereby be charged AGAIN for buying the same CD yet again on iTunes (for example). I don’t fkn think so.

  437. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:51 pm

    I’d be more interested in a persuasive argument against copyright.

    The fashion industry operates without Intellectual Property Rights. It is one of the biggest drivers of innovation (according to some)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/business/05scene.html?ex=1333425600&en=bfb7593c76d8b819&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&_r=0

    Meanwhile, on the other side, we have ridiculous patents within the software industry, that has actually held back innovation.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039282/10-tech-patents-that-should-have-been-rejected.html

    (note, I’m not against copyright per se, but there is always two sides to a coin)

  438. June 24, 2015 8:03 pm

    So as a champion and “protector of copyright,” I would be interested to know whether ToSY has sought approval for, and received confirmation from, the individual/organisation responsible for creating the “scales of justice” graphic icon ToSY uses as his gravatar that outlines their express permission detailing ToSY ‘s ability to use their proprietary intellectual property for his gravatar?

    I’m confident that ToSY (being so concerned with the abuse of copyrighted material) will be able to furnish us with this confirmation, what within 7 days…………?? Standing by and waiting……

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:27 pm

    Whereas those who think copyright is legitimate yet infringe to save themselves money may slumber more restlessly.

    Ya see ya keep asking the same question, ToSY, because you’ve ignored the answers and asked again … you still believe its to “save money” …

    So what do you think, ToSY, of US companies holding copyright and patent over your DNA and subsequent science … both particular and in general … so that if you should have a particular genetic disorder and a cure is available you may have to pay millions of dollars for that cure from the company that holds the copyright on that particular gene and the company that patented the medicine based upon a particular defect in that gene …?

  440. June 24, 2015 8:27 pm

    ” Standing by and waiting……”

    Haha. Just a wild guess, but I’m gonna say Tintin would be more the subject of copyright than the ‘scales of justice‘.

    #icouldbewrong

  441. June 24, 2015 8:31 pm

    “So what do you think, ToSY”

    What do you think, TB, of your IP that you keep banging on about mentioning? Do you think that should be protected?

  442. June 24, 2015 8:44 pm

    Haha. Just a wild guess, but I’m gonna say Tintin would be more the subject of copyright than the ‘scales of justice‘.

    Yeah, but you know, I never pretended to be a champion of copyright defenders, whereas you do. So how about simply furnishing evidence that you’ve sought permission to use the “scales of justice” image as your gravatar, or are you simply guilty of abusing copyright law that you accuse others of so blithely?

    And here’s hint for the ignorant/uninitiated, it doesn’t matter whether it’s an image of Tin Tin or some scales of justice, copyright law applies equally…

  443. June 24, 2015 8:48 pm

    #icouldbewrong

    hint:

    #youare

  444. June 24, 2015 8:53 pm

    “And here’s hint for the ignorant/uninitiated, it doesn’t matter whether it’s an image of Tin Tin or some scales of justice, copyright law applies equally…”

    So everyone with a gravatar with a non-generic image is in the same boat. Unless, of course, they’re the originator of that image.

    #pandora’sbox

  445. June 24, 2015 8:56 pm

    “So everyone with a gravatar with a non-generic image is in the same boat. Unless, of course, they’re the originator of that image.”

    Correct. Which is why breach of copyright is difficult to prosecute in a court of law, especially when it comes to damages.

  446. June 24, 2015 8:59 pm

    Or conversely, BLATANT breach of copyright is easy to prove, but calculating damages in a court of law is difficult to prove…..

  447. June 24, 2015 9:02 pm

    “Which is why breach of copyright is difficult to prosecute in a court of law”

    I’m sure you’re right, as I’m sure it’s (almost) impossible to prevent free downloads of copyrighted material. It’s up to the individual to work out what;s right.

    Far be it from me to judge anyone, especially all those drug-addled death-metal freaks. 😯

  448. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 9:36 pm

    Do you think that should be protected?

    It is and its been breached more than once … and I can probably “bang on” about IP rights as much as you …

    Just answer a question for a change – instead of asking them …

    I see you’ve really joined the aggressive right again … they must all be really rattled …

  449. June 24, 2015 9:51 pm

    “It is and its been breached more than once …”

    I’d feel for you, if you weren’t a breacher.

  450. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:27 pm

    I’d feel for you, if you weren’t a breacher.

    I would never let you feel for me … I’ve been copyrighted for 46 years …

  451. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:03 pm

    Well at least Bill Shorten is honest. He admits to lying.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-admits-to-lying-to-broadcaster-neil-mitchell-over-leadership-questions-20150624-ghwdnr.html

    “Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has admitted he lied on air to broadcaster Neil Mitchell during the Labor leadership crisis that felled Julia Gillard in mid-2013.

  452. June 25, 2015 2:20 am

    l agree with teebz, the copyrighting and/or patenting genetic material, whether human, animal, plant or microbe/virus/bacterial are a much bigger problem to the citizens of the world that some dvd/cd. Yes, l too noticed Tinfoil`osy only answers questions with a question, the tactic of a well indoctrinated teabag fear-squirt.

  453. June 25, 2015 7:22 am

    Good morning earl-greys, on my abc breakfast they are giving blib-Liar quite a pounding about lying to mitchell during the knifing. Yet again blib is fronting the media and not really performing too well, blib is coming across quite poorly and gives me the impression as fake/insincere.

    #Do we really need more blib-moments like these.

  454. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:34 am

    “blib is coming across quite poorly and gives me the impression as fake/insincere.”

    This is standard for most Australian politicians. The alternative persona seems to be that adopted by the PM – completely unhinged.

  455. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:53 am

    and gives me the impression as fake/insincere

    I get the feeling that anything blib says/does or thinks would ” give you the impression as fake/insincere”

    But then again, you seem to think that stealing cigarettes means something about “nannyroxon” ??

    I understand that you will interpret this as fake/insincere. The question to me is, is it as fake/insincere as hockeys tears as they blocked the Malaysian solution.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/jun/24/bill-shorten-labor-alp-asylum-migration-amendment-bill-speech-parliament-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

  456. June 25, 2015 8:58 am

    splatters”””This is standard for most Australian politicians. The alternative persona seems to be that adopted by the PM,

    completely unhinged.””””’

    #Well said splatters, 100% agree:-) #fake/insincere

  457. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:01 am

    So, Tom R, in the exchange below was Little Billy Two Knives being fake or insincere?

    Mitchell: Is there, Bill Shorten, any question that Julia Gillard will be Prime Minister, heading into the election?

    Shorten: No

    Mitchell: Will you review your support for her?

    Shorten: No

    Mitchell: Have you been asked to?

    Shorten: No…

    Mitchell: Have you spoken to Kevin Rudd?

    Shorten: I haven’t spoken to Kevin Rudd about the leadership

    Or, being a Unionland lickspittle, do you think Blib was taken out of context and was actually telling the truth to the best of his ability?

  458. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:16 am

    Of course he was being insincere

    As insincere as yabot was around their last leadership spill?

    It’s politics, and everybody lies about it until the actual event.

    Ask the Greens and their last “spill” and their treatment of Ludlum

    Pollies maneuvering within their party, that’s a different level of lying than “no cuts to …” (insert pretty much anything.)

  459. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:19 am

    Unionland lickspittle it is then!

  460. June 25, 2015 9:20 am

    tr”””I get the feeling that anything blib says/does””’#WRONG

    Back in the day when the Libs/gov-gen tore down the highly popular `gough` the alp/gough supporters became unhinged because their voting wishes and victory was squashed, somewhat unfairly.

    #Likewise, when kevin07 was ton down by blibLiar, jooLiar and caucus, the voting public that voted for kevin07 has become unhinged because their voting wishes and victory was squashed unfairly.

    #The difference between these two events is, 1.over time, as more detail is explained, the gough event began to calm, the kevin07 event the unhingement grows. 2.gough was done-over by others, kevin07 his own.

    #caucus, blibLiar and team-cheerers will need to take that(1+2) seriously if they want their team to succeed in the future, unless of course they`re happy to build greenz numbers.

    #it is wrong to team-cheerers to say `anything blib says/does` people are against at this stage. By now, blib has shown us his mettle, and folks have seen it aint much.

  461. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:26 am

    y now, blib has shown us his mettle

    And if, like you, you wander around with your eyes wide shut, it isn’t surprising you haven’t seen it.

    You don’t get to the top of a Union by being gutless.

  462. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:26 am

    You want to see gutless

  463. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:32 am

    “You don’t get to the top of a Union by being gutless.”

    You get to the top of a Union by being deceitful

    Fixed it for ya !

  464. June 25, 2015 9:33 am

    tr”””As insincere as yabot was”””

    #Really.? You think `that` is a good answer.? As somebody that gets a bit unhinged when the non-cheerers say both teams are the `same` or are teabag-lite, so now you want to green-light your team as `dishonesty-lite`.? Really.? That is what you want `your` team to be.?

  465. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:38 am

    You think `that` is a good answer.?

    If I did, I probably wouldn’t have added the rest of the post, would I

    Fixed it for ya !

    cheers 😉

  466. June 25, 2015 9:42 am

    “”This is standard for most Australian politicians. The alternative persona seems to be that adopted by the PM – completely unhinged.””

    Agreed rectum.

    The other emotions are “feigned disgust” which Hockey employs all the time.

    And “crocodile tears” aka Sarah Hanson Young in Parliament…

    Mind you, Hockey turned on the waterworks too when he said it would be “over his dead body” that children would be sent to Nauru..

  467. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:46 am

    Unionland lickspittle it is then!

    So why ask questions you think you know the answer to?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kevin Andrews decision to boycott @qanda is a bit like my announcement saying I am boycotting running in the Olympics 100 metres final.

    And about as useless as getting divorced when gay marriage is finally passed …

    Has Kevvy ever been asked to appear on Q&A …

    I see Sarah Henderson has called for the producers head … you can just the huddle … “yeah, get sarah to say something, didn’t she work there once?”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You get to the top of the Liberal party by being an aggressive, self-centred, catlik, lying thief

    Fixed it for ya !

  468. June 25, 2015 9:51 am

    oh-fcuk, did anybody else just see blib with the press-pack on my abc #dead.duck

  469. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:52 am

    So why ask questions you think you know the answer to?

    Especially when I did highlight it was common in politics, no mention of Unions.

    blinkered much?

    Has Kevvy ever been asked to appear on Q&A …

    He probably will be now 😉

    I think he has appeared on there, if only to push his redundant world view on people through a taxpayer funded soap box.

  470. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:52 am

    On a more pleasant note. I enjoyed a cheese and wine night at the local high school … my 17 yo had made brie as a chemistry “experiment” … and he and the other two members of his team had actually won third prize in the state competition!

    Discussions with the teacher and deputy principle were interesting too …

  471. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:02 am

    oh-fcuk, did anybody else just see blib with the press-pack on my abc

    No, tell us you un biased opinion ROFL

    Although, I get the feeling this will be worst for him than the turc shit, mainly because, in the long run, the turc stuff has turned out to be a positive.

    It shone a light into deals that made workers better off.

    This is just grubby back room politics, the kind of stuff the media didn’t look into when tabot knifed turnbull.

    Q: Is your own integritygoing to be a problem in thelead up to the nextelection?

    That is ridiculous. What I say is that the interview with Neil Mitchell was done in the heat of the worst period of internal division in the Labor Party for decades. They were particular circumstances. I certainly regret the answer I gave and I made a mistake.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jun/25/offshore-detention-laws-rushed-through-senate-to-avoid-high-court-politics-live#block-558b426ee4b0e0aeb01159ff

  472. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:02 am

    “I enjoyed a cheese and wine night at the local high school … ”

    Good to see those school halls being put to such economically productive good use

  473. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:05 am

    “…………done in the heat of the worst period of internal division in the Labor Party for decades.”

    And who exactly caused that in the first place you idiot Bill

  474. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:06 am

    my 17 yo had made brie as a chemistry “experiment”

    I think I just revealed my refined tastes when I had to google ‘brie’ 🙂

    Was the wine out of a cask, or had they gone to the trouble of pouring it from the cask into bottles for you 😉

  475. June 25, 2015 10:19 am

    tr”””No, tell us”””

    #Can`t. Has to be seen. Blushing. Body Language. #blib

    #l saw it on my abc1, l`ve switch over to my abc24 to see if they re-run it. Bet snippets will be used on rest of networks this week.

  476. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:29 am

    “my 17 yo had made brie as a chemistry “experiment” “

    You ate that cheese???? That is taking the supportive parent thing too far.

  477. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:31 am

    Q: Is your own integrity going to be a problem in the lead up to the next election?

    Of course it is. I told a deliberate cynical bald-faced lie.That is ridiculous. What I say is that the interview with Neil Mitchell was done in the heat of the worst period of internal division in the Labor Party for decades. They were particular circumstances. I certainly regret the answer I gave and I made a mistake.

  478. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:42 am

    Good to see those school halls being put to such economically productive good use

    Don’t be a dick all the time, Wally .. this school had a hall and a pool long before 2007 and I helped to pay for them … I know ’cause my kids graduated there … come to think of it The Minister was a graduate … and BTW it was in a classroom …

    You ate that cheese???? That is taking the supportive parent thing too far.

    G/parents rock – or didn’t you know! The cheeses … there was about a dozen – mostly brie but some blue vein (dry, tasteless) – were really very good, I was most surprised …

    … and the topper was my g/son’s marks from exams and the last assignment he got them yesterday – B thru to A+ … he had a bit of a lapse about six seven weeks ago and I’ve been working with him … very proud and pleased with his effort … half a year to go … LG!

  479. June 25, 2015 3:55 pm

    so did any of you cnuts actually watch qandaland .. or have you all just decided to wallow in the teabags zaky-squirting for the sport of it

  480. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 4:28 pm

    “so did any of you cnuts actually watch qandaland “

    I don’t watch political bukakke!

    This is a relatively trivial issue. Just business as usual at the ABC. I am surprised the government decided to make an issue of it but at least they have got the lefties frothing at the mouth.

  481. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 4:38 pm

    “…..so did any of you cnuts actually watch qandaland ”

    I only get to see the last few minutes. I like to catch up on repeats of the Bolt Report and Ray Hadley and Alan Jone’s Podcasts on Monday nights.
    🙂

  482. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 5:42 pm

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………….Yum

    But not very Halal of them……………

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-tesco-branch-pulls-ramadan-smokey-bacon-crisps-promotion-10341242.html

  483. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2015 5:47 pm

    Why does the left like Muslims? Generally the left hates religion and thinks religious people mad.

    But they will stand up for Muslims. beats me why they do this.

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 6:56 pm

    I don’t watch political bukakke!

    I noticed how well informed all you comments were … now I know why …

    Wally, is just being his usual selfie … ignore it and eventually it goes away … must be the call of the ice … walruses are like that …

    But they will stand up for Muslims. beats me why they do this.

    Hilarious … Generally the left hates religion and thinks religious people mad.

    And they are …

    Read what you wrote …

    “We” don’t give a shit about religion … yer right … but “we” do give a shit about justice, fairness, human rights and freedom of speech … all the things that are being destroyed by the religious nuts fucking running the joint right (chuckle) now …

    Some of us just won’t lie back and “enjoy” it!

  485. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 7:01 pm

    Think of the leftist/islamofascist alliance like the Hitler-Stalin Pact. Same goals despite apparent differences. Both leftists and Islamists are examples of the totalitarian mindset. Both groups think that they know how to solve the problems of the world if only they had the power.

    The left and Islam have a common agenda – the overthrow of Western Civilisation. UK leftist George Galloway said: “the progressive movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies”. They are natural allies. They both hate individual liberty, free speech, capitalism and Jews. Hence BDS, ISM and the reversion of Europe to it’s anti-Semitic traditions.

    When Obama’s good buddy Hugo Chavez went to Teheran he said: “Here are two brother countries, united like a single fist”.

    Michael Foucault described Ayatollah Khomeini as a “saint”. Jimmy Carter’s ambassador to the United Nations, Andrew Young, also called him “some kind of saint.”

    To leftists Islamic terrorism is sexy: German composer Karlheinz Stockhausen termed 9/11 “the greatest work of art for the whole cosmos,” while Norman Mailer called its perpetrators “brilliant.”

    Most leftists love the frison of violent revolution. Noted anti-Semite Noam Chomsky has a long record of supporting dictators and tyrants so it is no surprise to see him scurrying off to meet with the head of the terrorist organization Hezbollah. Carlos the Jackal said “only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States.” I’m sure a lot of Greens supporters feel the same way.

    It was no surprise to see Leunig’s work lauded at an Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest. There is much common ground between them.

    By pretending that Islam is race leftists can really get their rocks off shrieking “Raaaaacist” every time someone objects Islamic terrorism.

  486. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 7:06 pm

    Or take UK leftist George Galloway on why Muslims and progressives should unite:

    “Not only do I think it’s possible but I think it is vitally necessary and I think it is happening already. It is possible because the progressive movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies. Their enemies are the Zionist occupation, American occupation, British occupation of poor countries mainly Muslim countries. They have the same interest in opposing savage capitalist globalization which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world turning us basically into factory chickens which can be forced fed the American diet of everything from food to Coca-Cola to movies and TV culture. And whose only role in life is to consume the things produced endlessly by the multinational corporations. And the progressive organizations & movements agree on that with the Muslims…. So on the very grave big issues of the day-issues of war, occupation, justice, opposition to globalization-the Muslims and the progressives are on the same side.”

  487. June 25, 2015 7:32 pm

    He certainly lead me to believe he used vuze at least once, long ago though that may have been.

    I choose to assume he’s playing devil’s advocate…and failing.

  488. June 25, 2015 7:33 pm

    Sounds like a hapless subscriber, to me.

  489. June 25, 2015 7:39 pm

    “Far be it from me to judge anyone, especially all those drug-addled death-metal freaks. ”

    I do hope you were taking the piss, because, if you weren’t, I take extreme exception to ‘drug addled’, because I never have been and am not.
    My thoughts are sharp & if I abuse any substance, it’s alcohol.

    Being a death metal enthusiast & a ‘freak’ is a badge of obduracy, in my view.

  490. June 25, 2015 7:53 pm

    “Think of the leftist/islamofascist alliance like the Hitler-Stalin Pact. ”

    If you truly think that Stalin (ie…no discernible characteristic shared with Hitler apart from despotic totalitarianism) & Stalin were ever part of a “leftist/islamofascist alliance”, then you absolutely drank the koolaid & don’t have much historical concept of Stalin, Hitler, ‘leftists’ or islam.

    Pure hyperbolic bilge.

  491. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 7:56 pm

    By pretending that Islam is race leftists can really get their rocks off shrieking “Raaaaacist” every time someone objects Islamic terrorism.

    The only person “pretending” here is you, sb … you are talking Islam and racist … most of us are talking about one dickhead who should know better, claiming that another dickhead, who doesn’t know any better, should lose his citizenship … and vice versa …

    Personally I think it was a clash of inconsequence …

    … but the government wants everything that may oppose its agenda shut down … everything … and everyone … tho’ what Q&A has to do with that is a nonsense … but shutting down the NATIONAL BROADCASTER HAS! A weak excuse …

    … you can “defend” that position by laying it on the “leftists” all you want … but the plain and simple truth is that most of the commenters here, that you and Wally and Kneel “oppose”, would argue EITHER side of politics making the slow, steady stride to either fascist or communist totalitarianism … one right one left … is WRONG …

    … but you do seem to support the right of politics and this government in particular … a government that has, whether you see it or not, already made the first steps on that journey …

    Just as Germany and the world was caught by surprise one bleak autumn morning in 1933 … Hitler overturned the Republic … just as Caesar had done centuries before …

    History has an awful habit of repeating …

  492. June 25, 2015 8:05 pm

    “EITHER side of politics making the slow, steady stride to either fascist or communist totalitarianism … one right one left … is WRONG …”

    A no-brainer.

    The consquirtatives only seem to hear their own dogwhistles (which are having the fucking peas blown out of them in recent times). Same as it ever was.

    There is a dearth of self awareness on a certain side.

  493. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:22 pm

    “If you truly think that Stalin (ie…no discernible characteristic shared with Hitler apart from despotic totalitarianism) & Stalin were ever part of a “leftist/islamofascist alliance”, then you absolutely drank the koolaid”

    You have been drinking something a little stronger than Koolaid, TBoss. I didn’t say anything like that.

    My point was that apparent opposites can make common cause. So just as Hitler and Stalin made common cause we should not be surprised to see leftists joining with Islamofascists to fight their common enemy Western Civilisation.

  494. June 25, 2015 9:39 pm

    “I do hope you were taking the piss”

    Haha. Waddayoureckon?

  495. June 25, 2015 9:41 pm

    “He certainly lead me to believe he used vuze at least once,”

    I think you mean led.

  496. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:49 pm

    ….So just as Hitler and Stalin made common cause we should not be surprised to see leftists joining with Islamofascists to fight their common enemy Western Civilisation…

    ‘lefties’ are part of western civilisation, they just want to improve it so that we are behaving as a civilised people .
    There are better ways than ‘business as usual’ especially business that hasn’t worked the first time…or ever. We want progress, enlightenment and humanity, something that takes us all forward not backwards. Let go of the warmongering, simplistic beliefs and hatreds of bygone centuries when people were full of ignorance, superstition and fear.

  497. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:01 am

    So just as Hitler and Stalin made common cause we should not be surprised to see leftists joining with Islamofascists to fight their common enemy Western Civilisation.

    That’s insulting to members and families of the ADF – past and present …

    Do you think the military is only made up of right whingers? I can understand why you would … based upon your last couple of comments … (and others) …

    Your “argument” is based upon the – “yer either with us or against us, mindset …”

    I didn’t agree with the American War (as the Vietnamese call it) … but I do posses an honourable discharge …

    What is it with all the aggression from the “righties” … didn’t JC preach peace and harmony …

  498. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:06 am

    “That’s insulting to members and families of the ADF – past and present …”

    And so are your stupid comments in relation to comparisons of the LNP to Nazi Germany you hypocrite

  499. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:50 am

    “‘lefties’ are part of western civilisation”

    In the same way cancer cells are part of the human body.

    At the fag end of Western civilisation lefties are its nihilistic narcissistic mutant children pissing on its expiring corpse.

    “they just want to improve it so that we are behaving as a civilised people .”

    So let’s have a look at that proposition. A good place to start is with the French Revolution where the designation “leftist” originated. That revolution ended in blood-thirsty violence and the dictatorship of generals. Good contribution leftists.

    Contrast this to the American Revolution which initiated the longest period of democracy in modern times.

    The difference is that the leftists who drove the French Revolution believed, in their leftist arrogance, that their new ideas would create a better society. The US founding fathers spent a long time considering the lessons of ancient Greece and Rome and built on those lessons. It was in that sense a conservative revolution.

    Come Marx and the 20th Century we see leftism in all its murderous atheist arrogance. Socialism proved to be the greatest killing machine the world has ever seen. Still dripping in the rancid stench of their discredited ideology leftists rebranded as “progressives”. Hence you have dumb old commos like Rhiannon and Bandt quite at home in the Greens.

    Property rights and market economics drove the increase in material well-being over the last two and a bit centuries. Market economics has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty. Socialism failed utterly and immiserated hundreds of millions. The economic fruits of leftism are poverty, misery and death.

    What leftists do not understand at all is that every cent they would piss against the wall on their idiot schemes comes from the private sector. They have no theory, no plan, no clue how to generate the wealth they wish to steal and spend on their grand designs.

    Leftists seem to think that the economy is static, that the size of the pie is fixed and all they have to do is to rob the rich and give to the poor. They don’t seem to understand that the economy is dynamic and that their stupid actions have consequences, usually shrinking the pie.

    Take stupid mongrel leftist Hollande. He had a brain snap and increased the top marginal tax rate to 90%. That failed and within two years he reversed it. The British left tried the same thing in the sixties with the same result. Dumb leftists never learn.

    Individual liberty is a core value of Western Civilisation and something treated with contempt by the left. Especially the most fundamental of all liberties, freedom of speech. If you want to have a meeting to put a dissenting view of the world, Jake Lynch and his brown shirts will be there to shut you up. They have colonised the institutions of society like the academy and the ABC and now proceed to drive out people with different views.

    Western Civilisation is the most prosperous and most democratic because its values and attributes are conducive to producing those outcomes. Instead of helping cultures which are less successful at bringing their people material progress and liberty, the left fetishises the losers. They blame the West for every bad thing that has ever happened rather than try to teach inferior cultures some useful lessons.

    Instead of kicking Muslim lunatics up the arse and explaining to them that their religion does not trump the right to free speech and that their sharia law is vile, retrograde and per se a crime against humanity the left keeps whining about Islamophobia. So far up the Muslim arse are the left that they say not a word about anti-Semtism even though it is a much larger problem, particularly as it is widely practised by Muslims and leftists.

    Whining miserabilist leftists have nothing of value to offer society. They are not part of Western Civilisation they are the motor of its decline into poverty tyranny and violence.

  500. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:23 am

    “‘lefties’ are part of western civilisation”

    In the same way cancer cells are part of the human body

    Now why on earth would anyone read any more of your long winded drivel …

  501. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:26 am

  502. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:47 am

    “That’s insulting to members and families of the ADF – past and present …”

    By what twisted logic do you get to that conclusion?

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:50 am

    And so are your stupid comments in relation to comparisons of the LNP to Nazi Germany you hypocrite

    Maybe its the sudden upsurge in “nationalistic propaganda” and all the flag waving …

    … added to spending a few days in Germany … one at this place …

    … plus an interest in modern and military history … coupled with experiencing governments and amateur wannabe, politician generals, fooling around with weapons and other people’s lives in the past … and in present …

    From little things – big things grow …

  504. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:54 am

    What a stupid stupid analogy !

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:04 pm

    We’ll see … your Fuhrer is actually feeding the frenzy not cooling it …

    And I think you’ll find there are many others who see the “stupid (sic) stupid analogy”

    Sieg!

  506. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:09 pm

    …Maybe its the sudden upsurge in “nationalistic propaganda” and all the flag waving

    yes, and the rapid rise of all the hallmarks of a fascist government ever since tony abbott became PM.

    …What leftists do not understand at all is that every cent they would piss against the wall on their idiot schemes comes from the private sector…

    Except for when it comes from the taxpayers pockets, like when the capitalist schemes implode, as in GFC [as they always do] and the private sector goes begging to the government for a huge handout…and then they carry on business as usual until their next bailout.

    You might be able to make that claim when the private sector actually does stand on it’s own two feet, without any taxpayer subsidies to exist or turn to for assistance whenever their business isn’t profitable.

    Market economics has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty.

    And there’s hundreds of millions still in abject poverty while global corporations exploit their national resources and line the pockets of the despots and greedy few.

    You might read a little thomas picketty or seek some unjaundiced views on the miracles of capitalism.

  507. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:25 pm

    So just as Hitler and Stalin made common cause we should not be surprised to see leftists joining with Islamofascists to fight their common enemy Western Civilisation. sb

    And I repeat …

    “””””That’s insulting to members and families of the ADF – past and present …

    Do you think the military is only made up of right whingers? I can understand why you would … based upon your last couple of comments … (and others) …

    Your “argument” is based upon the – “yer either with us or against us, mindset …”

    I didn’t agree with the American War (as the Vietnamese call it) … but I do posses an honourable discharge …

    What is it with all the aggression from the “righties” … didn’t JC preach peace and harmony””””” …

    By what twisted logic do you get to that conclusion?

    Now you’ll tell me I took it out of context and you were referring to other leftists … not those who serve … just the civilian ones … who do you think “fights” …

    And your comments constantly refer to supporters of ISIL … once and for all …no-one … I repeat no-one … on this blog supports terrorists and particularly ISIL …

    My argument is with the war mongering coming from the government … which is doing far more damage to this country than any radical Islamic terrorists …

    … if you support the propaganda being used to politically prop up a cynical government that seems to fight anyone and everyone at every turn, then you need to get new glasses and hearing aids …

  508. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:55 pm

    TB, I wasn’t talking about forming an army. I gave examples. Of the 10 examples of the leftist/islamofascist alliance I gave, precisely none were about joining any army. NONE. So exactly how do you insert the ADF into what I said?

  509. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2015 3:13 pm

    Maybe its the sudden upsurge in “nationalistic propaganda” and all the flag waving

    I wonder if Gillard stood in front of flags?? That is one thing i have noticed about lefties. They pick on something they do not like when the other side is in power but are totally blind to the same things their own side has done.

  510. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 4:27 pm

    TB, I wasn’t talking about forming an army.

    I didn’t say you were … I was pointing our that some people who prefer the left side of politics are/have been in the ADF and vote … your statement is … the leftist/islamofascist alliance

    All embracing … but for the fact that the ADF are the people who have to do the “fighting”

    As I said no-one here – and no-one I know – supports extremism or Islamic radicalisation … if there are any Australians that do, who’s to say they are “leftist” … you.

    The only person creating chaos is borrowing Kirribilli House at the moment … and I’m sure you are aware of the – create chaos so that you manage the process – approach to misguided leadership …

    Both leftists and Islamists are examples of the totalitarian mindset. Both groups think that they know how to solve the problems of the world if only they had the power.

    And the right aren’t examples of totalitarianism (and Hitler suddenly disappears) and they can solve all the problems of the world (while greedily lining each others’ pockets)?

    What nonsense – as if anyone who lives in this country would want to live under any totalitarian regime … I guess that’s the issue … some of us believe that’s where we are headed … and others play smoke and mirrors with the truth and false accusations, to smooth the way …

    GMAFB …

  511. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 5:32 pm

    FFS TB. And MMV!

    Your argument seems to be that I insulted leftists since because the ADF contains some leftists then what I’ve said is “insulting to members and families of the ADF – past and present”.

    That is a deeply stupid argument. It makes no sense at all.

    “And the right aren’t examples of totalitarianism “ yada yada yada look over there!

    That is an evasion, not an answer. I don’t like totalitarians of any stripe. But this diatribe was about the left. It’s called speaking truth to power. Sadly, in this day and age the left have colonised so many institutions of our society that it is falling apart. They need to be called out for the tyrannical poseurs they are.

  512. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 5:35 pm

    “I wonder if Gillard stood in front of flags??”

    Why compare anyone to that lying grub.

    Let’s go back to your favourite fascist (according to Lefty jingoistic standards).

    Here is one of those psychopathic totalitarian rulers for ya. One who lead us into the first Iraq War

  513. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2015 8:10 pm

    Walrus

    Obviously i am a Coalition supporter. But that flag thing really drives me mad. i am sure i could find hundreds of pictures of Hawke/Keating/Rudd/Gillard standing in front of an Australian flag.

    But as soon as a Coalition person stands in front of an Australian flag the lefties go bananas

    Got me beat.

  514. June 26, 2015 10:49 pm

    #gothemightyfuckintigers

    #fucksydney

  515. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2015 12:20 am

    USA Supreme Court rules that partner choice is allowed under its constitution.

    Gay marriage recognised in 50 states

  516. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2015 10:26 am

    Is this true or has Treasury got it wrong again

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/home-ownership-inquiry-treasury-insist-housing-as-afforable-as-ever/story-fncq3era-1227417163980

    DESPITE rising house prices buying a property is as affordable now as in previous decades.

    Treasury officials told a parliamentary inquiry on Friday although house prices had increased across Australia, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, low interest rates meant affordability had not significantly changed.

  517. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 12:17 pm

    That is an evasion, not an answer. I don’t like totalitarians of any stripe. But this diatribe was about the left. It’s called speaking truth to power. Sadly, in this day and age the left have colonised so many institutions of our society that it is falling apart. They need to be called out for the tyrannical poseurs they are.

    sb, I have no idea what your talking about … maybe someone (other than sb) could translate for me …

    Just a little reminder where this “diatribe” began …

    So just as Hitler and Stalin made common cause we should not be surprised to see leftists joining with Islamofascists to fight their common enemy Western Civilisation. sb

    Based upon what … ?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Here is one of those psychopathic totalitarian rulers for ya. One who lead us into the first Iraq War

    You mean the liberation of Kuwait on request of the government of Kuwait and under UN sanction …

    Not the invasion of Iraq the second time for non-existent WMD (y’know like the ones the USA has!)* based upon misleading and deliberate lies fed to the UN … was very different … which “adult” was in charge of Australia then …

    Should we invade the USofA?

  518. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2015 2:39 pm

    Is Triggs insane or does she have a point??

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillian-triggs-demands-anz-apologise-to-armed-robber/story-fn59niix-1227416917268

    ANZ has rejected a recommendation by Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs to apologise to a man it refused to hire because of his conviction for an armed robbery offence and subsequent five-year jail sentence.

    The man, referred to as Mr AN in Professor Triggs’s report to protect his privacy, complained that the bank had discriminated against him on the basis of his criminal record…………..Professor Triggs noted AN was highly qualified, had no subsequent convictions, received the National Emergency Medal for services as a firefighter during the Black Saturday bushfire disaster and had been only 21 years old when the offence occurred.

  519. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 5:43 pm

    *Mr AN had a criminal conviction for armed robbery and the bank decided he wasn’t suitable for the job.
    *Triggs thinks this is discrimination!

    Of course a financial institution is entitled to discriminate on the basis of an applicant’s record of honesty and integrity. What the f**k does Triggs think represents a suitable personal history and record for working in a bank.

    This is evidence that Triggs had no idea and allows some twisted sense of fairness to overcome rationality. It isn’t up to financial institutions to give convicted armed robbers their new career.

  520. June 28, 2015 12:22 am

    boo-of.melb””””had no idea and allows some twisted sense of fairness to overcome rationality””””

    #2319 .. we have a blog-buddy with the exact same problem:-)

  521. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2015 3:05 am

    I’m fortunate to have my own personal troll.

  522. June 28, 2015 3:32 pm

    l don`t usually bother to even check the blotresquirt, but l thought l`d check it out today. Yep, it started off with the usual squirting, ho hum, nothing much. The next part, guest time. The topic is blib, and blot and albrectsen are having a field day. Unfortunately for blib, it`s accurate, and you folks might want to check-out the first 20-min or so, if they post it online.

  523. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2015 4:28 pm

    It isn’t up to financial institutions to give convicted armed robbers their new career.

    Inclined to agree with that … reminds me of the electrician who turned up for an interview with eyes like black holes and slurred of speech … sorry, sez, I …

    I don’t know why ANZ bothered to give a reason?

  524. June 29, 2015 9:42 am
  525. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 10:29 am

    sreb, shouldn’t that be the same hand taking it away?

    Or is the cat just dumb?

    Just what happens to an economy when no-one has a job?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/robot-brickie-perth-engineer-invents-worlds-first-robotic-bricklayer/story-fnjwucti-1227419524062

  526. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 11:16 am

    Not a lot of interest in aust politicians being infiltrated by the mafia. You’d think that would be important, but apparently fear of terror is where all attention must be focused.

    Aust politicians infiltrated by mafia: police
    Confidential police reports have revealed Aust politicians have been infiltrated by the Calabrian mafia.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/video/id-prZHV3dTpXy2PTSH_vJ-_DLBOK95es58

    A little problem like criminality can be overcome if money changes hands though.
    This is the mafia visa story. As always happens with the Libs, the AFP, despite a lack of trying, just couldn’t find any significant evidence.

    Suspected mafia link to Liberal fundraising:
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/suspected-mafia-link-to-liberal-fundraising-20140522-iudr8?stb=twt

    …The suspected mafia ‘‘godfather’’ of Melbourne helped bankroll a Liberal Party marginal federal seat campaign in the 2013 election, raising the prospect that the proceeds of crime have flowed into Liberal coffers…

    …This alleged drug trafficker was given a visa in 2005 after the suspected mafia boss lobbied and donated to the Liberal Party as part of a campaign to have the Howard government overturn its decision to deport the man on character grounds….

    Kathy Jackson struggling as claim fails
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/kathy-jackson-struggling-as-claim-fails/story-fn59noo3-1227419274370

  527. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 11:55 am

    Over in Greece, the banks have shut for a week.
    Their government is protecting capital, the greek citizens being forced to prop up private banks.

    It’s not Greece being bailed out – it’s the banks:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/verrender-its-not-greece-being-bailed-out—its-the-banks/6562330

    …For months now, even our own chief central banker, Glenn Stevens, has taken to delivering warnings of the limitations of monetary policy; that cutting interest rates is not the panacea to recession that Milton Friedman and his acolytes once proclaimed…

    …In good times, our bankers proclaim the benefits of laissez-faire free market economics. But when the going gets tough, they demand taxpayer support. And they get it…

    …An interesting finding in the OECD report was that the growth in banking and the financial sector fostered greater financial inequality…

    …Bankers created the global financial crisis. As Mike Smith, the soon-to-depart head of ANZ Banking Group, once candidly noted to me: “Bankers found new and interesting ways to destroy wealth.”

    Only one banker ever saw jail time as a result of the financial crisis. And when it comes to Greece, will anyone call Goldman Sachs to account for its role in hiding Greece’s debt from the rest of the European Union and the world?

    As for the now shaky prospects of a bailout by the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, it should be remembered that it is not Greece that is being bailed out.

    It is the European banks, the French and German institutions that recklessly doled out Euro loans to Greece, safe in the knowledge that any losses would be covered by Frankfurt…

  528. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 12:29 pm

    Brothers take up arms against the enemy, this is [culture] war, every man to the trenches!

    Not a political player? Might want to re-think that.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/second-panellist-pulls-out-of-tonights-qa-on-abc-tv/story-e6frg996-1227419899999

    …Menzies Research Centre executive director Nick Cater has pulled out of tonight’s Q&A program, saying the ABC had failed to take responsibility for its grave error in giving airtime to convicted criminal Zacky Mallah…

    …“The Menzies Research Centre is a public policy think tank, not a political player. The reputation of our ongoing public policy research must be protected.”…

  529. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 12:40 pm

    “The Menzies Research Centre is a public policy think tank, closely associated with the liberal party not a political player.

    What were that many libs doing on the panel anyway? I thought it was supposed to be a lefty show for ‘leftists’.

    If this keeps up, I might actually find qanda tolerable to watch!

    I do hope their politician protest extends to the rest of the ABC, no more abbott 10 x flag pressers, no more death cult death cult death cult, daesh daesh daesh for me – oh happy days!

  530. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 12:54 pm

    on and on it goes

  531. June 29, 2015 12:58 pm

    “” no more death cult death cult death cult, daesh daesh daesh for me “”

    You say “”death cult”” like it’s a bad thing..

  532. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 2:32 pm

    Back from lunch arranged by The Minister and my 13 yo g/daughter … and this thread is so depressing … more and more like Yankee Land …

    The West HAS lost the plot just not as MUCH as the East!

    I was born on this day but …

    And I am a dreamer …

  533. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 3:25 pm

    [crikey] We take a look at the last 45 years of the ABC’s history and its running battle with politicians from along the political spectrum … OK, mostly from one side of it.
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/06/29/a-half-century-of-the-government-trying-to-undermine-the-abc/

    The 1970s
    As we pointed out last Friday, government ministers lambasting the ABC over its choice of guests is nothing particularly new. When 24-year-old draft-dodger Michael Matteson appeared on the ABC’s current affairs program This Day Tonight in 1971, it sparked a conservative backlash the likes of we hadn’t seen until, well, last week…
    …A 2001 Senate committee inquiry into the appointment of ABC board members catalogued the laundry list of political appointments made over the preceding decades…

    1980’s
    As Gay Hawkins wrote in Culture in Australia: Policies, Publics and Programs, the increasingly commercial flavour of the ABC’s programming emerging under managing director David Hill in the late 1980s can be traced back to the Dix report.

    The Dix review also flagged issues with independence, noting that many Australians felt the government appointment of commissioners “[left] the ABC open to political pressure”. The next decade, as we’ll soon see, would only serve to highlight this trend…

    1990’s
    …The politicisation of the ABC’s management reached new heights in the 1990s, with Labor accused of stacking the board with trade unionists and party members, and Howard appointing a who’s who of conservative figures once the Coalition took power in 1996…
    …A 2001 Senate committee inquiry into the appointment of ABC board members catalogued the laundry list of political appointments made over the preceding decades…

    The 2000s
    The 2000s brought another Gulf War and more accusations of bias, this time from Liberal MP Richard Alston…

    The 2010s
    The Abbott government has been after the ABC from the get-go, using allegations of bias, anti-Australian sentiment, and alleged breaches of its own charter to attack the ABC before announcing funding cuts in the 2014 budget. Abbott’s views became clear when the ABC reported — via American whistleblower Edward Snowden 
    …Oh, and the last six years have also seen the Future Directions report, the Convergence Review, two separate Senate inquiries into regional television and news services, plus another efficiency review. So there you have it. If we’ve learned one thing, it might be this: the ABC has probably been reviewed more times over the years than Cats…

  534. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 3:38 pm

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/06/24/rundle-the-paralysing-fear-of-zaky-mallahs-hat/

    …Whether it was wise for Q&A to give an audience question slot to a man convicted of threatening ASIO officers remains to be seen — though you have to admire Zaky Mallah’s choice of a cap featuring a gold-plated cannabis leaf for his appearance (the show would be improved if all panelists had to wear such a hat). Given the determination of the right to shut down a forum it doesn’t control, a bit of circumspection might have been in order…

    The national security response was to be expected. It would be too much to hope that Tony Abbott would reaffirm a pluralist media sphere, and instead he marshaled a bit of soft totalitarianism by asking the ABC “Whose side are you on?”…

    …Thus Malcolm Turnbull — seen by some, inexplicably, as a bastion of genuine liberalism — claimed that Q&A had “put the audience at risk” and that the Australian Federal Police should be invited to vet the audience.

    Fear is a pretty dependable reactionary strategy — and one in particular need with the government still tanking in the polls — but even so, it seems only in Australia that a government minister could say with a straight face that a TV audience might be at risk from mere proximity to someone whose propensity for violence amounts to making threats and being something of a jerk.

    Turnbull’s comment joins to the obsessive, embracing fear that has been marshaled for months over the issue of jihadis, citizenship, homegrown terrorists, etc, etc. Doubtless there’s a small number of men who need to be kept an eye on, but the issue has expanded out of all proportion to the real risk. This is beyond even the capacity of the Coalition to keep it going. In Australia such fear has become autonomous, free-floating, just keeps rolling on. We are the commonwealth of fear, whether it’s halal food, wind farm infrasound, vaccination, or god knows what else. And the most despicable thing that the right does at the moment is to feed such fear at every opportunity…

  535. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 3:45 pm

    Most governments want to control the National Broadcaster … and make it a state broadcaster not … The Mad Abbott government … oh, no … they want to shut them down …

    Is that because they already have their OWN national broadcaster?

    News Corp … is Rupert really a CIA operative?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    FORMER Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella admits she made mistakes during the 2013 federal election campaign, as she tries to win back her Victorian seat.

    THE ex-MP, who lost the seat of Indi to independent Cathy McGowan, won Liberal pre-selection at the weekend.
    “I spent too much campaigning elsewhere out of the electorate (and) clearly people wanted to see more of me on the ground,” Ms Mirabella told ABC radio on Monday.

    LOL! Perhaps they saw too much of her … and she was on Q&A that must have sullied her reputation …

  536. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 4:09 pm

    …LOL! Perhaps they saw too much of her … and she was on Q&A that must have sullied her reputation …

    Well there was that memorable qanda performance TB!
    And in the last election, when she was being criticised for neglecting her electorate she reportedly said “the people of Indi aren’t interested in politics”

    Credlin’s mission to remove the Liberals’ woman problem
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-29/matthewson-removing-the-liberals-woman-problem/6579894

    [or to aid her own political ambitions]

  537. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 5:56 pm

    Dear T,

    On Sunday, we put out the call for donations to help us fight back against Labor, the unions and their massive election war chest.

    Yesterday, Liberal supporters across the country answered our call.

    In fact, we received more donations than we ever have on a Sunday.

    Thank you!

    If you haven’t yet donated and want to make a tax deductible* donation before 30 June, you still have time

    LOL! “massive war chest” …

    Time to learn the new National Anthem …

  538. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 6:01 pm

    Well there was that memorable qanda performance TB!

    I remember that! What a caring sharing person Sophie seems to be! Especially as she leans away and then pushes Simon away! Pretty much the way I see Libs these days … did I tell you all the catliks I know personally are Liberal supporters?

    Credlin’s mission to remove the Liberals’ woman problem

    The Liberal government … ?

  539. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 8:14 pm

    In fact, we received more donations than we ever have on a Sunday.
    Thank you!
    If you haven’t yet donated and want to make a tax deductible* donation before 30 June, you still have time…

    Gosh TB, jump on that bandwagon real quick or you’ll miss out!
    Your country needs you 😉

  540. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 10:00 pm

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    June 29, 2015 10:04 pm

  542. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 10:18 pm

  543. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 11:09 pm

    Wow, Freedom timmy finally gets to the reason for his being on qanda, having a go at tony jones & qanda. He was also getting pretty uptight with Krauss. Tim wilson is a complete hypocrite and fraud of a person.

  544. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 29, 2015 11:29 pm

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    June 29, 2015 11:43 pm

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