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Tony Abbott’s Hysterical Obsession with Terrorism: At what point do we Question his Sanity?

June 23, 2015

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Tony Abbott’s obsession with terrorism parted ways with reality some time ago, but his most recent behaviour – particularly in the context of consistently poor polls – has escalated his determination to grandstand on issues of national security with desperate pleas to do whatever it takes to “keep Australia safe.”

It’s a fairly cynical and blatant attempt to wedge Labor on one of the last bastions of credibility that the LNP has left and Labor is yet to blink, lest it be seen as weak on national security.

In the wake of a budget dud that failed to deliver a boost for the government, and a litany of broken promises on health, education and pensions, Tony Abbott is pinning his very survival on his terrorism fanfare.

Abbott’s preoccupation with terrorism has transcended the realms of hysteria to the extent that reasonable people within his own party must now surely be questioning his mental health.

The constant repetition of the so-called ISIL “death cult” is not just weird, but it plays exactly into the publicity ambitions of those terrorist organisations.

The more recent proclamation that Labor is “rolling out the red carpet” for terrorists is not just idiotic, it is counterproductive to a reasonable and factual bipartisan discourse on national security.

Today, the PM has taken his obsession further, unleashing a scathing attack on the national broadcaster and its Q&A program, asking “whose side are you on” after an Australian man convicted of threatening Commonwealth officials appeared on the program.

Mr Abbott said the ABC had effectively given a “terrorist sympathiser” a national podium to express his views.

“They have given a platform to a convicted criminal and terrorist sympathiser – they have given this individual, this disgraceful individual, a platform and in so doing, I believe the national broadcaster has badly let us down,” he said earlier today.

THE ABC IS A “LEFTY LYNCH MOB”

The PM’s comments followed remarks he made to the Coalition joint party room during which he described Q&A as “a lefty lynch mob”.

“I think many, many millions of Australians would feel betrayed by our national broadcaster right now, and I think that the ABC does have to have a long, hard look at itself, and to answer a question which I have posed before – whose side are you on? Whose side are you on here?” Mr Abbott said.

Last year, Abbott berated the ABC for taking “everyone’s side but Australia’s”.

The attack coincides with Tony Abbott’s controversial proposal to strip Australian dual nationals of their Australian citizenship status at the Immigration Minister’s discretion.

MEANWHILE ROME BURNS…

As the economy continues to weaken with no signs of resurgence occurring any time soon, it might be reasonable to ask whether the Prime Minister’s obsession with boat people and terrorism is commensurate with the actual risk, or is the fabricated hysteria and fear-mongering simply a feeble smokescreen to divert attention away from the gross incompetence of this government in genuine areas of national significance?

ABBOTT INSISTS TERRORISTS WANT WORLDWIDE DOMINATION

Just last week Mr Abbott said the threat posed by IS, also known as Daesh, was global.

“Daesh is coming, if it can, for every person and for every government with a simple message: ‘Submit or die’,” he said.

“The declaration of a caliphate, preposterous though it seems, is a brazen claim to universal dominion.”

“You can’t negotiate with an entity like this, you can only fight it,” he said.

Talk of worldwide domination may suit Abbott’s political agenda, but at what point should the public indulge this overblown hysteria and hyperventilating before we start questioning his sanity?

Or do we simply acquiesce willingly and only wonder why we didn’t question it when it’s too late?

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517 Comments leave one →
  1. Team Charter Boat permalink
    June 23, 2015 4:20 pm

    Death cults are good for humanity.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 23, 2015 5:26 pm

    He’s probably insane, but that’s never been a barrier to becoming Prime Minister.

  3. June 23, 2015 5:35 pm

    He’s not insane at all.

    He’s cynically calculating, and he knows that fearsquirting plays well with a generally politically disengaged electorate (while he fucks you over for Big Business, Foreign Monopolies & Teabag [there, I said it…and I mean it] Ideology, with his other hand in your back pocket by stealth on their accord).

    The threat is being overstated, it always has been,. The response is politically expedient & requisitely disproportionate.

    I pity you fearsquirters…but you’ll take the freedom of the rest of us down with you; cunts.

  4. June 23, 2015 5:39 pm

    Have a good hard think about the potential mission creep of the shiny new internet ‘blocking’ laws?

    Then have a think about how either side of our political dichotomy in this country may exploit such open invitations to stymie oversight, free flow of information & immediate access to topical issues for their own debauched agenda, into the future.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2015 6:26 pm

    There is a difference between Labor and the Liberals … and its contained in this extract …

    Asked about the children of terrorists, Mr Abbott said they “will be subject to the law”.

    “And the law will be enforced with its full rigour by this government to keep our community safe,” Mr Abbott said.

    Ms Bishop said the return of Khaled Sharrouf’s family to Australia will only be considered after his death has been confirmed.

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the welfare of the children must be a priority.

    “I feel very much for the children. For me the wellbeing of the children is what’s important,” he said.

    “In terms of the wife, we need to get a briefing from the government on what’s happening.”

    Demonstrates two approaches to the same issue … should the children be subjected to the law or should people be concerned for their welfare?

  6. BOSSMAN permalink
    June 23, 2015 6:46 pm

    Terrorism is an excuse to control us ALL! If he was fair dinkum he would stop the terrorism going on in Australia everyday, old people getting terrorised, people getting murdered,robbed,rape,bashings etc etc there are more people dying in Australia from disgusting crimes and yet he talks about the death cult!
    My question WHO IS TONY REALLY WORKING FOR?

  7. June 23, 2015 6:47 pm

    That’s easy…himself.

    The playbook has worked for consquirtatives for many a long decade now.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2015 6:53 pm

    TeamCharter … interesting link … not sure Zaky Mallah is actually that articulate in conversation or on a keyboard … but the point(s) is well made …

    Welcome to you and to BossMan … (mmmmm … )

  9. June 23, 2015 7:10 pm

    I recognise ‘something’ too, TB.

  10. June 23, 2015 7:10 pm

    (mmmmmmmmmm…)

  11. June 23, 2015 7:15 pm

    Maybe the title should be:

    Tony Abbott’s Hysterical Obsession with Terrorism: At what point do we Question our Sanity?

  12. June 23, 2015 7:18 pm

    We do occasionally get “new” readers here…… ( I know, who knew? )

    Welcome Bossman…. 🙂

  13. June 23, 2015 7:27 pm

    I must say, I do concur with Bossman’s thrusts…(seriously).

    I just assume, these days, we’re either under attack from trolls (or ‘old’ enemies friends) , bots, troofers (but probably not on this thread) or partisan arselickers.

    All apologise to new contributors if those caps don’t fit. (seriously!)

  14. June 23, 2015 7:29 pm

    I hate the term, “fair dinkum”. it just shits me. It reeks of jingsturbation.

    I don’t fit in…hahaha…and fucking proud of it!

  15. June 23, 2015 7:30 pm

    * ‘jingosturbation’…

  16. Johnnol1 permalink
    June 23, 2015 8:27 pm

    The word recently minted to epitomise Abbott is ‘Fuctard’

  17. June 23, 2015 8:31 pm

    “I do concur with Bossman’s thrusts…(seriously).”

    At my time of life I’ll take whatever “thrusts” I can get… They tend to be so far and few in-between these days…. *sigh*

  18. June 23, 2015 8:46 pm

    Hahaha…I’ll be 40 this year. It’s better than being decomposing, is about all I’ve decided about it. 😉

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:31 am

    Hahaha…I’ll be 40 this year

    Yeah, me too.

  20. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 6:58 am

    Mallah later said: “The Liberals now have justified to many Australian Muslims in the community to leave and go to Syria and join Isis because of ministers like him.”

    Q&A’s host, Tony Jones, labelled the comments “out of order”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/23/former-terrorism-suspect-and-mp-steve-ciobo-trade-insults-on-rancorous-qa

    It appears the grubmint has the “lefty” abc cowed. For jones to jump in like that is understandable, he has been a wanker for a while. But this is just ludicrous.

    In attempting to explore important issues about the rights of citizens and the role of the Government in fighting terrorism, the Q&A program made an error in judgement in allowing Zaky Mallah to join the audience and ask a question……..

    http://about.abc.net.au/statements/abc-statement-qa/

    Wow, we have reached the stage where allowing a person who would be directly affected by these laws from commenting is out of order. How are we supposed to have a conversation where one part of the conversation is taboo?

    And, rather than just not allowing someone to claim that our grubmints actions are actually reinforcing the DAESH lure, why not counter it?

    Or is it because the truth hurts?

    Funny watching the pretentious “slit Julia Gillard’s throat” creep talking about people who have used threatening language being kicked out the country.

    So, is tabots tewwa election helping the tewwawists?

  21. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:09 am

    Also, no wonder they call him a weather vane. He first castigated the ABC, last week he was thanking them, now he’s castigating them again.

    so a very thin skinned weather vane.

  22. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:39 am

    I can see this taking off

    The ABC’s flagship political discussion program Q&A will now just be Tony Abbott standing in a row of empty audience seats asking questions, before running back to the stage to answer them.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/06/23/qa-to-just-be-tony-abbott-answering-his-own-questions/

  23. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:41 am

    OH MY GOD

    yabots “rolling out the red carpet” to tewwawists

    Tony Abbott’s plan to use ministerial discretion to cancel the citizenship of dual nationals suspected of terrorism activities – without trial or conviction – has proved unconstitutional, forcing him to accept a more minimal option of updating the nearly 70-year-old Citizenship Act to treat terrorist fighters in the same manner as those fighting with foreign armies.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-laws-on-terrorism-could-be-retrospective-for-dual-nationals-20150623-ghvf07.html

    Labor need to kick him where it hurts for this.

  24. June 24, 2015 7:48 am

    TB”””Demonstrates two approaches to the same issue”””’

    #Disagree Teebz. Somewhat strongly.

    #What you have got there is what l commonly call a `micro`-detail, the smallest of points of hot-air generated to give the impression of a totally different `brand` instead of publicly showing blib`s lot are despot-lite.

    #lf we were to dig down to the meat`n`potatoes, where it `truly` counts, would we find that blib and his rabble are goose-stepping along with mr-rabbit and passing freedom-sapping `bills` in parliament. #teabag.lite

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:17 am

    What you have got there is what l commonly call a `micro`-detail,

    What we have got here is what l commonly call a fucken idiot

    Speaking of fucken idiots

    To blame the teabag-media

    yea.. right.

  26. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:57 am

  27. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:01 am

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:16 am

    More Wedge Politics from Abbott’s Acolytes … I mean when will people wake up …

    What is it with Liberals and aggression?

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:25 am

    Points victory to the Courier Mail! The art of the headline is not dead.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:34 am

    You get your sabre out and give it a good rattle, sb … I’ll grease the wheels on the tumbril and sharpen the guillotine …

    I’ve never seen such divisive shit in all my life … these Fuckwits© want to go to war constantly … its like a meat grinder for young men and women …

    Some stupid 20 something upsets the government apple cart and Rupert’s comics go bananas …

    Remember it was dopey Ciobo who was stupid enough to make the first threat … I would have had a go at him had he said he’d be happy to take my citizenship away … any Australian would … and I’m entitled to three passports …

  31. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:35 am

    More Wedge Politics from Abbott’s Acolytes

    It seems to be working. I truly hope this is a misrepresentation of what was said.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:37 am

    reinserting? WTF!

  33. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:41 am

    these Fuckwits© want to go to war

    And they’re not even trying to hide it.

    100 years on from the Great War, and these mongrels want to start it all up again.

    Just so they can continue to feather the nests of the chosen.

    The emerging and growing potential for trade preferences to impose net costs on the community presents a compelling case for the final text of an agreement to be rigorously analysed before signing. Analysis undertaken for the Japan-Australia agreement reveals a wide and concerning gap compared to the Commission’s view of rigorous assessment.

    http://www.pc.gov.au/research/recurring/trade-assistance/2013-14

  34. June 24, 2015 11:42 am

    AlexHawkeMP””””””’Following last night’s shameful airing of extreme views I have asked ABC’s @mscott to take #qanda off air pending the outcome of a review

    Canberra, Australian Capital Territory 12:39 AM – 23 Jun 2015”””

    #my guess, this has to be a teabag, one extremist `outraged` by another #giggle

  35. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:47 am

    reinserting? WTF!

    I think you meant to say

    WHAT THE FUCK!

  36. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 11:48 am

    Further to feathering the nests of the chosen.

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:08 pm

    oops, I put this on the other [wrong] thread, I get confused!

  38. June 24, 2015 12:11 pm

    my abc”””””””ABC statement – Q&A

    23RD JUNE 2015

    In attempting to explore important issues about the rights of citizens and the role of the Government in fighting terrorism, the Q&A program made an error in judgement in allowing Zaky Mallah to join the audience and ask a question.

    Mr Mallah has been interviewed by the Australian media on a number of occasions. The environment of a live television broadcast, however, meant it would not be possible for editorial review of the comments he might make prior to broadcast, particularly if he engaged in debate beyond his prepared question.

    Tony Jones correctly and immediately ruled a statement made by Mr Mallah as out of order.

    Q&A will continue to raise issues that are provocative and controversial. There is always risk in undertaking live television.That is the nature of the Q&A program since it first aired in 2008.

    As has been the case in the past on Q&A, circumstances will happen that are not anticipated. The critical question is whether risks could have been managed and the right editorial judgments made in advance.

    The circumstances of Mr Mallah`s appearance will be reviewed by the ABC.

    Richard Finlayson

    Director ABC Television””””””””#FULL-post

    #this is just teabag-panic as far as l`m concerned, what `zaky` said probably has a good whack of truth to it, and l reckon my abc is probably getting jumped on because the political arse-hats got their arses kicked by every other member on the panel, to big cheers from the audience, zaky was just icing on the cake.

  39. June 24, 2015 12:14 pm

    What about when Bronwyn Bishop appeared on Q&A and launch a partisan personal and politically motivated attack on Gillian Triggs?

    Isn’t she mean to be independent in her role as Speaker of the House?

    Where’s the outrage from the Libs and Murkdork over that….??

  40. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:22 pm

    Where’s the outrage from the Libs and Murkdork over that….??

    That wasn’t partisan in their eyes reb. It’s like freedom of speech. It’s free if you agree.

    kenny the dog botherer is laughable, after lying about Triggs, and refusing to acknowledge that and continue to claim the same thing, he is the last person to lecture about “mainstream”

    I’m still laughing about him blocking me on twitter because I linked back to this site to explain how he was mistaken about his Triggs claim. He’d rather ignore the truth than confront it.

    This is how you do “mainstream” 😉

  41. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:28 pm

    “…..after lying about Triggs, ”

    Link ?

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:34 pm

    As far as I’m concerned triggs is a hero for speaking truth to power.

    The judiciary is all that stands between us and the country being ruled by politicians with impunity for any and all of their actions.

    We elect politicians but we don’t want them to be above the rule of law. Just to say “you can vote us out if you don’t like what we’ve done” is not nearly enough punishment for politicians who are corrupt and act against the australian laws and it’s people.

    Untrammelled power at the hands of the ruthless like tony abbott? cripes!

  43. June 24, 2015 12:37 pm

    on my abc, according to toolman, mr-rabbit contacted blib last night to pass `bill` that will close loop-holes that could let tewwa cases be thrown out of court during canberra winter break.

    #this smells like mr-rabbit is trying to bum-rush the rabble into stripping away more of peoples `rights`, and my bet is blib will fall for it.

  44. June 24, 2015 12:45 pm

    Q. What`s the difference between a journalist and a shopping trolley?

    A. The shopping trolley has a mind of it`s own!

    #press.club #Lambie

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:56 pm

    “The judiciary is all that stands between us and the country being ruled by politicians with impunity for any and all of their actions.”

    She is not part of the judiciary. She is finger-wagger-in-chief intent on implementing her divisive tribalism to the applause of leftards everywhere. There is no judge in the country who would insert themselves into partisan politics the way she did. She is a revolting political hack who can’t even keep her lies straight.

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 12:57 pm

    haha, Lambie sets about making friends of the journalists at the press club 🙂

  47. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:04 pm

    “She is a revolting political hack who can’t even keep her lies straight.”

    LOL

    And when she’s not lying she gets a case of the “vagues” = “I cant recall”

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:06 pm

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:06 pm

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:09 pm

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:20 pm

    Larry Pickering has some things to say about Triggs.Don’t know if these things are true but it should be posted.

    http://pickeringpost.com/story/triggs-under-labor/4999

    “An exclusive report from an ex-staffer on Christmas Island lifts the lid on how Triggs has shockingly politicised and all but destroyed the Human Rights Commission. Her Commission’s role is now entirely untenable………….Serious incidents of theft, rape, sexual and physical abuse of children and even murders reported prior to that date were completely ignored by Triggs………..The truth is that since Rudd’s and Gillard’s demise the Abbott Government has largely reformed a dangerous and disgusting environment that persisted unchecked under Labor where many of over 2,000 children were callously abused by Afghan and Iranian men on a daily basis.

  52. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:37 pm

    Link ?

    As always 😉

  53. June 24, 2015 1:41 pm

    So kneel, what does celebrity teabag pickering have to say about women generally and homosexuality .. Do Tell.

  54. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:50 pm

    Don’t know if these things are true

    You can post it, just makes you and him look stoopid

    Contracted to chair of the Commission for a five year term by Kevin Rudd soon after he was elected in 2007, with her contract being renewed by Julia Gillard in 2012

    A quick google would have saved both of you the embarrassment

    Triggs returned to Australia in 2007, to become the Dean of the University of Sydney Law School and Challis Professor of International Law. She took up this role in October 2007.[10] On 27 July 2012, Triggs retired as Dean of the Sydney Law School[4] to take up her appointment as the President of the Australian Human Rights Commission, for a period of five years commencing 30 July 2012.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillian_Triggs

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:56 pm

    You can post it, just makes you and him look stoopid

    Yes i knew that when i posted the link about the error in Triggs apointment. I guess you will say if he he got one thing wrong the rest is also wrong.

    But i posted it anyway.

  56. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 1:59 pm

    I guess you will say if he he got one thing wrong the rest is also wrong.

    I guess I’ll say if he cannot get something easily verifiable correct, I’m not going to give a lot of credence to something he claims that is unverifiable.

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:02 pm

    Well i guess you have a point. i would have said the same thing. But Pickering did say this

    The truth is that since Rudd’s and Gillard’s demise the Abbott Government has largely reformed a dangerous and disgusting environment that persisted unchecked under Labor where many of over 2,000 children were callously abused by Afghan and Iranian men on a daily basis.

    Is this a total lie or is there some truth to this statement?

  58. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:08 pm

    The libs economic cred is in tatters

    The Productivity Commission has launched a scathing attack on Australia’s latest series of free trade agreements, saying they grant legal rights to foreign investors not available to Australians, expose the government to potentially large unfunded liabilities and add extra costs on businesses attempting to comply with them.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/free-trade-agreements-preferential-and-dangerous-says-productivity-commission-20150624-ghw7rk.html

  59. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:10 pm

    Is this a total lie

    No, there is some truth the Abbott Government has largely reformed the environment, except, it appears that they have made it an even more dangerous and disgusting environment

    So kind of completely wrong on that last bit 😉

  60. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:12 pm

    Will they do it? I truly hope so.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:17 pm

    So kind of completely wrong on that last bit 😉

    Too funny. Your vote in 2007 encouraged 50,000 boat people to come to Australia.

    We spent $12B housing all these people.

    The ALP is a corrupt and immoral political party elected by corrupt and immoral people.

    The truth is that since Rudd’s and Gillard’s demise the Abbott Government has largely reformed a dangerous and disgusting environment that persisted unchecked under Labor where many of over 2,000 children were callously abused by Afghan and Iranian men on a daily basis.

  62. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:33 pm

    corrupt and immoral

    Considering you just linked to pickering, you really aren’t in any position to lecture anyone about being “corrupt and immoral ” are you nil

  63. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:34 pm

    qt looks like it is hotting up.

    As Tony Burke was saying before he was cut off:

    The parliament has been misled today by the foreign minister…

    Christopher Pyne jumped to his feet:

    I move the member be no longer heard.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jun/24/australians-already-jailed-for-terrorism-could-have-citizenship-stripped-politics-live#block-558a32c9e4b024f829c5d043

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:44 pm

    Considering you just linked to pickering

    Yes i did link to pickering

    Today, despite the screams of foul play from Triggs and Hanson-Young, offshore detention centres hold a diminishing number of 100 children who await processing of their parents………….The horrors that prevailed under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd reign were hidden until there was a change of government, only then was Triggs jolted into action with her outrageously false claims against the current administration.

  65. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:47 pm

    And you keep reprinting lies. then call others liars ROFL

    stoopid is what stoopid does I guess 😉

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:51 pm

    What lies?

  67. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 2:56 pm

    The horrors that prevailed under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd reign were hidden

    You yourself have even linked to stories, from Triggs, from then, highlighting the atrocities.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:01 pm

    Yes i did. Triggs published the horrors after Abbott was elected.

  69. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:11 pm

    Yes i did

    So you agree, there were stories, from Triggs, while Labor wee in power, in the papers, highlighting the atrocities.

    Not very well hidden then, were they?

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:22 pm

    If you hate the country so much that you plan to murder as many citizens as possible with the objective of bringing down its system of government, there’s a fair argument to suggest that you’re not particularly interested in maintaining citizenship.

    Maybe.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:32 pm

    If you hate the country so much that you plan to murder as many citizens …

    Agree … so what’s your point?

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:40 pm

    Well,I think there’s a case for loss of citizenship, but I’m not persuaded that this should be ministerial discretion.

  73. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:47 pm

    so what’s your point?

    Pedant alert!

  74. June 24, 2015 3:51 pm

    Oooooh… This is about to get interesting! Pass the popcorn….

  75. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 3:53 pm

    but I’m not persuaded that this should be ministerial discretion.

    That even needs “persuasion” (consideration).

    It should be rejected out of hand.

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:19 pm

    I don’t get the fuss about Zaky. It was just business as usual at the ABC – trying to set up a gotcha moment for the conservative panellist on the show.

    Q&A is like that – a live to air bukakke session where they invite a token conservative to be accused and browbeaten into submission as Snowcone Jones, his lefty panellists and select members of the audience work themselves into a righteous lather of indignation and pour their scornful juices over the miscreant as he bears their shame away.

    Given that the tastes of the ABC audience (according to the ABC) run to dogfucking jokes you can understand why they thought it was perfectly reasonable to give a live mike to a chap who advocates the public gang-raping of Rita Panahi and Miranda Divine.

  77. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:32 pm

    Apparently Zaky was picked up by ABC shuttle bus (Home to Studio back to Home)

  78. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:33 pm

    So the ABC apologises but the program in its entirety is still on their podcast plus on Catchup

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:36 pm

    Who else was on the shuttle bus? Probably did a big pick-up of Citizens of Marrickville along the way to bolster their neutral audience.

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:36 pm

    ISIS has clearly demonstrated a new level of cruelty, intolerance and hatred. Given that this is their badge of honour, I’m quite ok with the proposal that people that choose to help them don’t come back

  81. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 4:55 pm

    “Who else was on the shuttle bus? ”

    Not sure but apparently according to him ( on Twitter) he had some supporters on the way home.

    Nothing surprising about the ABC Left I suppose

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:02 pm

    So the ABC apologises but the program in its entirety is still on their podcast plus on Catchup

    So the apologists can actually see how Ciobo made a twit of himself as a senior member of government …

  83. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:07 pm

    o the ABC apologises but the program in its entirety is still on their podcast plus on Catchup

    You’re right.

    The ABC have nothing to apologise for.

    “Who else was on the shuttle bus? ”

    hmm, so, someone says that the actions of the current grubmint are encouraging youths to gravitate towards terrorist organisations, and THAT is the question?

    What about, WAS HE RIGHT?

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:12 pm

    THE Abbott government will soon test the market to see if a private operator could upgrade and operate the registry functions of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission.

    REGISTRATIONS of interest open on June 29 and end on July 27.
    “This is the first step in a competitive process to explore whether a private operator is better placed to run the ASIC Registry and take on the necessary investment in technology to enhance customer service,” Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said in a statement on Wednesday.

    What did he just say? What??????

    Why don’t we get a private company to run government for us too … Jesus fkn wept … and we could pay to vote – if we wanted to – $100 a vote … the more you pay the more votes you get … oh, wait?

  85. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:14 pm

    So the Lefties are happy to support a convicted criminal who now advocates that 2 female columnists should be raped.

    Nice one Lefties

    Showing your true colours as usual.

    Nice to see KL also defending the crim with silence

  86. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:17 pm

    “Why don’t we get a private company to run government for us too ”

    You might be onto something with that !

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:19 pm

    Tim Blair is too funny

  88. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:22 pm

    So the Lefties are happy to support a convicted criminal who now advocates that 2 female columnists should be raped.

    So the Lefties are happy to support “the free speech” of a convicted criminal ………..

    I don’t know what you are referring to at the end there. Context perhaps?

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 5:28 pm

    I don’t know what you are referring to at the end there. Context perhaps?

  90. June 24, 2015 5:38 pm

    Consquirtatives…in uproar about fearmongering shit.

    dead silent on stuff that might make an appreciable difference.

  91. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 6:14 pm

    Yes, pretty repellent nil

    We should have him deported.

    Along with the arsehat who wrote the Gillard menu

    or pickering, your favourite source of “information”

    fucken “free speech” warriors, run like hell well when the speech turns against them

    I also note there is a distinct lack of comment on the accuracy or not of Zaky Mallah’s “inflammatory” remark.

    Too worried about buses and his sickening attempts at irony

  92. armchair opionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:05 pm

    “…Nice to see KL also defending the crim with silence…”

    Do you mind if i work?
    According to walrus I’m condemned for being at work and not commenting!
    Get real, you fkn idiot!

    Apparently, we are like Muslims, must immediately condemn any behavioulr the RWNJ’s don’t like or we are terrorists or condoning terror, or something equally irrational.
    🙄

  93. armchair opionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:19 pm

  94. armchair opionator permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:20 pm

  95. June 24, 2015 7:42 pm

    I know, that you know, that walrus is only running interference on such topics.

    Get him on a topic he isn’t emotive about & he usually makes good sense & can definitely display impartial thought.

  96. June 24, 2015 7:44 pm

    The Coalition should call an early election & campaign actively to abolish the ABC…but they won’t, because they recognise the political suicide far better than their useful hemholders.

  97. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:58 pm

    The thin skinned weathervane, summed up in one (ok, two) tweets.

  98. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 7:58 pm

    hmm, the first tweet then

  99. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:05 pm

    More vain than weather

    What happens if they get off? That’s the problem,” he said on Friday.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/courts-might-let-suspected-terrorists-off-says-tony-abbott-20150619-ghs1il.html

    Then, the next Wednesday (yea, just now)

    Tony Abbott then delivered the Magna Carta lecture, which opened with this quote.

    “The rule of law serves just as much to protect us from criminals as it does to protect us from tyrants.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jun/24/australians-already-jailed-for-terrorism-could-have-citizenship-stripped-politics-live#block-558a67bbe4b024f829c5d0a1

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:12 pm

    Nice to see KL also defending the crim with silence

    That’s pretty shitty of you, Wally … but long memories will always prevail … in fact what you’ve just revealed is your own modus operandi …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I also note there is a distinct lack of comment on the accuracy or not of Zaky Mallah’s “inflammatory” remark.

    Well, TR, with the new interwebby laws (and with the old ones) I’m sure ASIS will be all over the “real” ownership of that twitter account?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apparently, we are like Muslims, must immediately condemn any behaviour the RWNJ’s don’t like or we are terrorists or condoning terror, or something equally irrational.

    Yep, yer either “agin’ us or with us” mentality, KL …

    … and I, to put it as bluntly as I can, I’m not and never have been – an US … in oh, so many ways!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good. And much of the problem is that a young Muslim was rude to a minister

    No, a young Australian was demonised by a senior member of government … on national TV … who then reacted … so who do we expect to be even tempered …

    and BTW a Parliamentary Secretary is NOT a Minister … he is privy to the nonsense of one Jhockey tho’ …

    “””Rude to a minister””” FFS!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I know, that you know, that walrus is only running interference on such topics.

    Agree – absolutely … but why so aggressive? Defending a lifestyle, methinks … 😉

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:28 pm

    I don’t really accept the proposition that government policy is radicalising Muslim youths.

    We have TBs generation that was conscripted into a foreign war, against their will. The result was protest and organised political action.

    I hate the stupid explanations that suggest that politician’s words are encouraging people to go to the cruelest of foreign wars.

  102. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2015 8:50 pm

    I hate the stupid explanations that suggest that politician’s words are encouraging people to go to the cruelest of foreign wars.

    You mean words like “who’s side are you on!”

    No, of course that won’t marginalise anyone

  103. June 24, 2015 8:53 pm

    “”politician’s words are encouraging people to go to the cruelest of foreign wars.””

    Look I know. but having visited suburbs like Chadstone and some other place that I can’t remember, a lot of disaffected (and unemployed) youth only have the local mall to look forward to. 80 virgins (or whatever it is) would naturally seem like a palatable alternative.

    Who can blame them….??

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:30 pm

    I hate the stupid explanations that suggest that politician’s words are encouraging people to go to the cruelest of foreign wars.

    Yeah, but this government wants you to go to war … too …

    I think its 70 virgins, sreb … 35 girls, 35 boys … 😉

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2015 10:36 pm

    Yeah, but this government wants you to go to war … too …

    How do you know? Wishful thinking? ESP?

    It was the Hawke govt who took us to the Middle East

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:08 am

    Shoot the messenger, now, how many times have we seen that happen since abbott lied his way into the top job. If you don’t want or don’t like to hear any other voices, use the power of office to rip them to pieces, like a pack of feral hyenas.

    [Greste]…The furious government reaction to Zaky Mallah’s appearance on Q&A on Monday night was Tony Abbott’s attempt to shut down debate in a crucial area of policy, says journalist Peter Greste.

    Greste, who was convicted and jailed in Egypt on terror offences for simply doing his work as a journalist, has lashed out at the government for its habit of “shooting the messenger” to avoid public debates on important issues…

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:38 am

    Liberal party email invokes terrorism and citizenship laws to seek donations:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/24/liberal-party-email-invokes-terrorism-and-citizenship-laws-to-seek-donations

    …The Victorian Liberal party has been accused of “sickening” fundraising tactics after it invoked the threat of terrorism and the Abbott government’s proposed citizenship laws in an email seeking political donations.

    The email – which accused Labor of “playing politics with our national security” – contained a photo of Tony Abbott and a quote declaring that terrorists who are dual nationals will have their citizenship stripped.

    The Victorian Liberal party urged supporters to “Donate now to support a SAFER Australia”. The email – authorised by state director Simon Frost – said the fundamental job of government was “to keep its citizens safe”…

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:47 am

    Spencer5796 2h ago
    …I can’t imagine what sort of cashed up moron would donate to the LNP based on this poster.
    Won’t the donations go straight to paying off people smugglers anyway?

    DocSubandrio 2h ago
    Thank you Mr Abbott for keeping us safe.

    You have made Australia one of the safest and happiest places to live in the World.

    Since you came to office there has not been one act of terrorism, nor have you prosecuted or proven in Court, that even one terrorist exists in Australia.

    Thank you. Thank you Thank you.

    We are, however, feeling uneasy about business closures, the property bubble bursting, living standards falling, your Government’s budget blow out, weak and indecisive Government and falling business and consumer confidence…

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 1:29 am

  110. June 25, 2015 3:28 am

    t1”””’Just been on with @rglover702 explaining that Zaky Mallah is an outspoken OPPONENT of IS. Entire 702 discussion assumed he`s a supporter

    Jonathan Holmes (@jonaholmesAge) June 23, 2015””””

    #from memory, zaky is one of the vj`s that went to syria to film the disaster/s and war-crime/s the syrian regime was inflicting on democracy protesters

    #our fcuking canberra imbeciles chucked them in the gulag

    +

    t2””””@jonaholmesAge @rglover702 Good. And much of the problem is that a young Muslim was rude to a minister

    Alan Atkinson (@alanatko) June 23, 2015””””’#ditto

  111. June 25, 2015 4:16 am

    blubbering”””Nice to see KL also defending the crim with silence”””

    #No, l don`t think so. More of a projection of your own support of things like slavery couched within `free-trade` dogma that you are trying to project onto armchair. #teabag.mentality

  112. June 25, 2015 6:25 am

    As we all know in team-nanny-roxon, sightings of `colored` packs just cannot be seen. Military-grade packaging is only `ever` seen now, and the military-grade packs are `definitely` taxed.

    nsw-plod”””””Police investigate large scale cigarette theft – Smithfield

    Sunday, 24 May 2015 05:02:07 PM

    Police from Holroyd Local Area Command are investigating the theft of a large quantity of cigarettes from a warehouse in Smithfield over the weekend.

    A warehouse located on Woodpark Road containing various brands of cigarettes was broken into between Saturday 23 and Sunday 24 May 2015.

    A total of 500 cartons were stolen.

    Police were notified about 10.45am today (Sunday 24 May 2015), and an investigation is now underway.””””’

    http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archive?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZWJpenByZC5wb2xpY2UubnN3Lmdvdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGNDY0MDYuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:55 am

    “Peter Greste: shutting down Zaky Mallah means shutting down debate”

    Spoken like a true minion of the Muslim Brotherhood!

    OK Pete you start the debate – who should get gang-banged first: Rita or Miranda? And do you prefer to go in early or wait around for slops?

  114. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:10 am

    Spoken like a true minion of the Muslim Brotherhood!

    wow, free speech IS dead, isn’t it.

    The political climate is spiralling fast down into the abyss. We have yabot ramping up the rhetoric on “us or them”, wanting to go back to medieval system of justice, and overnight, trying to prove how “tough” he is, has released sensitive information that has no other aim than to spread fear and resentment, precisely the point Zaky Mallah was trying to make.

    Labor is demanding Prime Minister Tony Abbott explain how classified documents showing terrorist-recruiting hotspots in Melbourne and Sydney were allowed to be filmed during his visit to ASIO’s headquarters yesterday.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/sydney-melbourne-top-terrorist-recruitment-suburbs-revealed-asio/6571248

    And, while I was initially horrified at Labor pushing through the laws yesterday, listening to Shortens speech has mollified me somewhat. Will the msm at large pass this on, or will they remain fixated on events from years ago?

    The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, told parliament on Wednesday evening: “Sometimes in life the very people you attack are the very people you need to turn to.

    “This is one of those times.”

    “We will vote for this bill because there are some things more important than partisanship or political agendas. We will vote for this bill because we are guided by our compassion,” he said.

    Shorten pointed out that the Coalition was quick to oppose the then Labor government’s Malaysian people swap deal in similar circumstances, under the threat of a high court case.

    “Labor is determined to be better,” he said. “My job as opposition leader is to put the country first.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/24/labor-criticises-coalition-but-votes-in-favour-of-offshore-detention

    As I am sure, if Labor had held this up, the next few months would have been a ramped up version of this week and Labors “red carpet” treatment.

    I am hoping a text of the speech is up somewhere soon.

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:17 am

    “wow, free speech IS dead, isn’t it.”

    Wow, stupidity on a stick.

    Please tell me that you get that free speech does not include the right to a publicly funded platform.

  116. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:30 am

    Please tell me that you get that free speech does not include the right to a publicly funded platform.

    You have just as much right to appear on qanda as he did.

    They’ll probably even provide a bus.

    Preventing someone from speaking just because they are not articulate, or have a poor message, is not free speech, which his very crude tweet was trying to say.

    I see kevin andrews has run away from qanda, probably because it allows any idiot to ask him a question, nasty lefties.

    I also not that the yabot grubmint has already broken their grovelling treaty with Indonesia

  117. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:34 am

    “And do you prefer to go in early or wait around for slops?”

    ROFLMAO

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:02 am

    OK Pete you start the debate – who should get gang-banged first: Rita or Miranda? And do you prefer to go in early or wait around for slops?

    He has worked in more dangerous places and put his own life on the line, more often than the tough talking ponce that is tony abbott has ever done. Isn’t it great to talk tough when you know that you can call up your defence forces, your police and your national resources to protect you from any possible consequence of your own actions. And you will never see abbott in any truly dangerous situation, unless falling off his pushie is considered risky.

    Well done though, making light of rape, which you might know is quite a problem in this country with the sport gleefully undertaken by more white male aussie dregs than muslim terrorists.

  119. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:07 am

    “Do you mind if i work?
    According to walrus I’m condemned for being at work and not commenting!”

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe !

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:16 am

    fuck sake, what is that supposed to mean walrus?

    You really are unhinged yourself, is it the manic phase or is it just how the mature ‘young libber’ behaves when he needs to defend teh establishment?

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:21 am

    Maybe you’ll feel better getting your aggro off your chest, go out into the street, punch in the head and rape the first woman you see and I’m sure you’ll feel a lot better.

    Better take your viagra first!

  122. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:23 am

    Dance………..dance……….dance !

  123. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:24 am

    Dance………..dance……….dance !

    I take that to mean he will be taking you advice AO 😉

  124. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:25 am

    Why do the cartoonists get it well before (if ever) the churnos do

  125. June 25, 2015 10:34 am

    tr””””’And, while I was initially horrified at Labor pushing through the laws yesterday””””

    #as.predicted #teabag.lite #yet.again #sigh

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:35 am

    He’s obviously off with the fairies tomR, there will be no sense out of him today.

    Here’s ricky muir in the guardian today

    It’s a slippery slope if we enact laws based on fear rather than reason:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/its-a-slippery-slope-if-we-enact-laws-based-on-fear-rather-than-rationale

    …When I was young I remember asking if Santa was real. This was followed by a comment like, “Come here mate, we need to have a talk.” After this talk I was disappointed, but understood and accepted the reality.

    I also remember questioning whether God was real at a similar time. Unlike the Santa question, this ended a little different. It was more along the lines of, “If you don’t believe in God, you will go to hell,” followed by a descriptive definition of demons, fire and all sorts of things which filled me with fear. So much fear that I essentially believed the boogie man was coming to get me, would pull the blankets over my head and pee the bed.

    Now, many years later, I see the same ruling-by-fear tactics being handed down through the media by our own prime minister and attorney general…

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:42 am

    …Please tell me that you get that free speech does not include the right to a publicly funded platform…

    Could you tell us why it doesn’t?

  128. June 25, 2015 10:48 am

    on my abc24 even the dutton-zombie is managing to give blib a head-kicking, (last week mr-poodle was successfully leg-cocking on blib), the dutton-zombie was reminding viewers this time of year `is` the killing season, that plib was eyeing-off the leadership, and blib was fully experienced in this #quite.well.said.for.the.dutton.zombie

  129. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:49 am

    It’s a slippery slope if we enact laws based on fear rather than reason:

    Will be interesting to see what happens with the citizen laws, which I think are being put forward today?

    Hard to know. I thought they were supposed to in earlier in the week, and, every day, we seem to get different info on what is actually in them.

    So obviously a wedge play, but the media keep playing it with a straight bat. I get the feeling these will be quite tame, basically extending the existing law to include terrorist organizations instead of just foreign armies. But I think in the rub, the general population won’t be too sure just what is in them.

    Unless they are already through, it’ been a chaotic time just lately

  130. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:50 am

    He’s obviously off with the fairies tomR, there will be no sense out of him today.

    Just another day then AO 😉

    on my abc24 even the dutton-zombie is managing to give blib a head-kicking

    wow, more insight-fulness from the sightless 😯

    You mean, dutton keeps saying shit, then you turn off?

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:51 am

    Kevin andrews in protest mood, I do hope he gets on board with the ACL and divorces or asks someone to kill him if the gays ever get married. Go kevin!
    I think if the kevin zombie ever did appear on qanda, TV’s around the nation would be flicked off in protest!

  132. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:52 am

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:54 am

    “He has worked in more dangerous places and put his own life on the line” as a willing tool of a Muslim Brotherhood front organisation.

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:56 am

    Bolt Oblivious

  135. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:11 am

    “Kevin Andrews announces he’s boycotting Q&A, which he’s never appeared on, ever, in any of its 288 episodes ”

    Just goes to show how removed from reality you actually are KL

    Mr Andrews has formally rejected an invitation to join next week’s panel with Labor’s Tanya Plibersek.

    Get your facts right for a change

  136. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:11 am

    “Bolt Oblivious”

    Yep SP.

    And the Left defend him. Zaky is one of them

  137. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:14 am

    “……with the sport gleefully undertaken by more white male aussie dregs than muslim terrorists.”

    Got a link for that ?

    Otherwise it’s complete dribble

  138. June 25, 2015 11:26 am

    seems if the andrews-zombie hasn`t been on qandaland before armchairs facts `are`correct` blubbers .. anyway, it`s no fcuking loss to viewers if the andrews-zombie does boycott qandaland .. he will only regurgitate zombie-lines and say nothing new. #teabag

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:28 am

    Politicians should be psychologically assessed, says HR expert
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/politicians-should-be-psychologically-assessed-says-hr-expert-20150621-ghtsji.html

    …”Corporations take such assessments seriously because the wrong leader or executive can lead to millions of dollars of loss. But the wrong political leader can cause billions of dollars of loss and all kinds of social problems,” Mr Tatton said.

    “People think being a Rhodes scholar means you can’t be a fool, but the two are not mutually exclusive. You can be a Rhodes scholar and still have a personality totally unsuited to being a leader or decision maker.”

    Qualities and competencies that can be assessed include communication skills, critical thinking skills, people skills, leadership and motivation, resilience and ability to cope with stress and conflict…

  140. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:31 am

    Bolt Oblivious

    blot irrelevant

  141. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:33 am

    “blot irrelevant”

    So you support Zaky’s lovely Tweet I take it ?

  142. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:34 am

    “He has worked in more dangerous places and put his own life on the line, more often than the tough talking ponce that is………….”

    Talking of totally fucking irrelevant

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:35 am

    The point is that Zaky’s tweet is channelling Ciobo.

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:44 am

    Means-test welfare, but not education. That’s privatisation by stealth:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/means-test-welfare-but-not-education-thats-privatisation-by-stealth?CMP=share_btn_tw

  145. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:47 am

    So you support Zaky’s lovely Tweet I take it ?

    I support his right to make it.

    Do you think he should be deported for making that statement?

  146. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:50 am

    I also loved “The ABC still hyperventilates about Tony Abbott standing near a “Ditch the witch” sign he didn’t see. ”

    This is just a few posts after his hyperventilating about some things Bill Shorten said a few years ago

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_bill_shorten_caught_lying/

    yep, blot … irrelevant.

    (fyi, both histories are relevant)

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:53 am

    …“with the sport gleefully undertaken by more white male aussie dregs than muslim terrorists.”
    Got a link for that ?
    Otherwise it’s complete dribble…

    Talk about dribble, you’re swimming in it.

    How many convicted muslim terrorists do we have here?

    How many convicted terrorists have also been convicted of rape?

    How many rape convictions are there in any given year here?

    Think about it.

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 11:59 am

    dilbert does walrus

  149. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:00 pm

    “How many convicted muslim terrorists do we have here?”

    You said …………..”Well done though, making light of rape, which you might know is quite a problem in this country with the sport gleefully undertaken by more white male aussie dregs than muslim terrorists.”

    Where did you say “muslim terrorists in Australia”…….let alone “convicted”. There are plenty of muslim terrorists in the ME raping on behalf of your side of politics.

    You change the goal posts as you go along

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:05 pm

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:06 pm

    “in this country” = australia

    🙄

  152. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:10 pm

    “…..“in this country” = australia….”

    Correct

    “muslim terrorists” = muslim terrorists anywhere.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:34 pm

    You are deliberately trying to manipulate – equating something I said with something you have said I said and making a complete nonsense of it all. Keep trying, we’ll wait for a lucid moment.

    Just letting you know that I’ll be leaving for work in the next hour, just in case someone thinks there can be any false treason accusations made because of my internet ‘silence’.

    #conservativebrainfugue

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:41 pm

    Zaky Mallah, Q&A, and the media at its worst
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/green-zaky-mallah-qa-and-the-media-at-its-worst/6571576

    …It takes a special kind of dulled self-awareness to produce front page images of Mallah in every major capital outside Perth and then complain, with heated outrage, of how the ABC had given this demon “publicity”. Never mind equating the entire staff of the public broadcaster with IS, that’s just offensive hyperbolic groupthink; the hypocrisy is the real killer.

    And as good a demonstration as you might hope for of how profoundly self-regarding and fundamentally broken mass media is in this country: that one corporation’s sense of indignation and outrage can somehow become a strangely confected, stable-wide news event. It’s too easy to imagine that the real intent of Wednesday’s ubiquitous News Corp covers was to do harm to a public broadcaster whose presence in the Australian media is the last remaining coherent check on the ubiquity of its readily manipulated media message…

  155. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:43 pm

    “…equating something I said with something you have said I said and making a complete nonsense of it all. ”

    Just copying you

  156. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 12:47 pm

    “………was to do harm to a public broadcaster whose presence in the Australian media is the last remaining coherent check on the ubiquity of its readily manipulated media message…”

    ROFLMAO

    “coherent check” meaning allowing/inviting/transporting a criminal with a serious conviction who was jailed for 2 years who sympathises with IS and who advocates the rape of journalists and the killing of a PM to ask a question on national TV.

    “coherent check”.?…………………fucking bullshit !

  157. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 1:24 pm

    who sympathises with IS

    I think you need to check your facts wally.

    Also, did you ever watch Chopper?

    and the killing of a PM

    So, I guess you missed the bit about who was actually advocating for the “killing of a PM” then

  158. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 1:25 pm

    Wow, this is getting gulag quick

    Tony Abbott says someone should be sacked over the Q&A episode showing Zaky Mallah and then its repeat.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jun/25/offshore-detention-laws-rushed-through-senate-to-avoid-high-court-politics-live#block-558b7074e4b024f829c5d3e0

  159. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 1:55 pm

    “So, I guess you missed the bit about who was actually advocating for the “killing of a PM” then”

  160. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:05 pm

    I guessed right

    I was Ciobo who said it years ago. The tweet is obviously a feeble attempt at irony, as Zaky has remarked on it previously (the fact that Ciobo can make the statement about Gillard and RWNJ’s just brush it off.

    Now those same nut jobs are attacking Zaky with it ROFL

    So, should the ABC be in trouble for having someone like Ciobo, who actually made the comment, appear on their show?

  161. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:06 pm

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:13 pm

    “I guessed right”

    Finally you got it!

    And wasn’t it you who kept on about Ciobo’s throat-slitting fantasies.

    Hence my original link titled “Bolt Oblivious”.

  163. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:24 pm

    Finally you got it!

    Actually, now you’ve really lost me

    Apparently, for Ciobo to say “slit Gillards throat” is fine, she’s just being pretentious.

    But when Zaky does, and ironically, STRIP HIS CITIZENSHIP!

  164. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:26 pm

    Apparently ASIO are now fine with detailed maps being put out.

    Funny, yesterday, before yabot started copping flak, it was a different story

  165. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:29 pm

    It appears that Dreyfus just got named

    also

    Dreyfus to Abbott: Yesterday when asked for copies of maps on display at the prime minister’s media event, Asio replied – and I quote – “we are unable to provide the documents. They are for official use only”. But this morning Asio described the documents as – and again I quote – “carefully edited and unclassified”. What contact did the prime minister, his office, his ministers or their officers have with Asio after the initial response?

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jun/25/offshore-detention-laws-rushed-through-senate-to-avoid-high-court-politics-live#block-558b7f79e4b024f829c5d3f5

    qt is a sham

  166. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 2:37 pm

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 3:07 pm

    …Please tell me that you get that free speech does not include the right to a publicly funded platform…

    Could you tell us why it doesn’t?

    Beat me to it, KL …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So you support Zaky’s lovely Tweet I take it ?

    Can you prove it was his tweet?

    Just sayin’

  168. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 3:34 pm

    Ciobo said of the ALPs Nick Champion

    ”Well, I think if anybody saw today’s press conference that Kevin Rudd conducted . . . they’d know that they’re anything but united behind Julia Gillard,”

    ”I think that if anybody had the opportunity to slit Julia Gillard’s throat, Nick would be one of the first ones to be there.”

  169. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 3:53 pm

    Ciobo said of the ALPs Nick Champion ……. slit Julia Gillard’s throat

    Case rested 😉

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2015 4:19 pm

    “…Please tell me that you get that free speech does not include the right to a publicly funded platform…

    Could you tell us why it doesn’t?

    Beat me to it, KL … “

    Unfknblvble! (is that how you spell it, TB?)

    The clue is in the word “freedom”. As in you are free to do something, in this case speak. The notion of freedom does not include the right to require someone else to do something. That is not granting a freedom rather it is imposing an obligation.

    Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights States:

    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    The right to free speech is the right to say stuff without being punished by the state. This also includes the right not to be shouted down by vile leftist mongrels who show up purely for the purpose of shutting down your free speech as the left is want to do. However, it does not entail a right to appear on Q&A.

  171. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 4:21 pm

    “Case rested”

    Only according to you

    “So, I guess you missed the bit about who was actually advocating for the “killing of a PM”

    Exactly where does he incite Champion to slit Gillard’s throat ?

  172. Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2015 4:23 pm

    Next week on Q&A………………………….”Gun Violence in Australia”

    Special guest commentators via video link Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 6:40 pm

    The right to free speech is the right to say stuff without being punished by the state.

    A RIGHT that ALL Australian citizens have …

    This also includes the right not to be shouted down by vile leftist mongrels

    Or elected members of parliament … Ciobo made the first insulting remark … ie I’d sleep soundly if you were out of the country …

    who show up purely for the purpose of shutting down your free speech

    The current government is doing JUST that … if you can’t see that then you are not as smart as you think you are … or I was led to believe …

    … as the left is want to do.

    The right side of politicsare the ones who have a history of control, born to rule, love of titles and monarchy and an obsession with a religious divine right over all others … you know the rich will trickle down the wealth to the poor diarrheic theory …

    However, it does not entail a right to appear on Q&A.

    Actually it does … the audience has the right to ask questions of the panel … but that does not make the panel “special” and allowed to insult members of the audience …

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 6:43 pm

    Special guest commentators via video link Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat

    Martin Bryant will be interesting … do keep up, Wally … as usual so out of “touch” …

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2015 6:45 pm

    Ciobo made the first insulting remark

    Wow .Now telling the truth is insulting. And white is black and left is right.

  176. Tom R permalink
    June 25, 2015 6:56 pm

    as usual so out of “touch” …

    I wonder if he realises that one person has “paid his debt”, whilst the others are “paying”

    Wow .Now telling the truth is insulting.

    Am I reading this correctly. Do you agree with ciobo that Gillard needs her throat slit?

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:14 pm

    Do you agree with ciobo that Gillard needs her throat slit?

    That is a figure of speech. Gillard did “stab Rudd in the back”. And that is also a figure of speech which i have used myself.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:47 pm

    Do you agree with ciobo that Gillard needs her throat slit?

    That is a figure of speech. Gillard did “stab Rudd in the back”. And that is also a figure of speech which i have used myself.

    That’s fucking frightening extension of language if ever I heard one …

    … from that reply I perceive that in some sick minds ciobo’s comment was in some way “acceptable” …

    Torturing animals, leads to killing animals, leads to torturing humans, leads to murder … leads to mass murder …

    What a sick world it has become …

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 8:54 pm

    Myth 5: Negative gearing only benefits rich people to get tax refunds.

    Negative gearing is not only used by rich people and the tax refund still doesn’t cover your loss.

    The bulk of negative gearing happens where people have borrowed to buy an investment, and the interest cost of their debt exceeds the income from the asset. This loss can then be written off against the person’s normal income.

    So, yes, it can help to reduce someone’s tax bill, but don’t forget the person has still lost money on their investment in the short-term. If their loss for the year is $10,000 they don’t get $10,000 back from the tax office. Even if they are on the top tax rate, they’ll get back $4900 and will have to cover a loss of $5100.

    And as for benefiting the rich, negative gearing losses are apparently claimed by about 1.9 million taxpayers, but the ATO’s latest statistics apparently show only 0.34m people are in the top tax bracket.

    Hopefully now your view on tax is a little clearer and a little less smoke and mirrors. But if you have doubts you can always consult the ATO website.

    All the more reasonS to get rid of negative gearing … who else gets a “tax break” for a “loss” on an investment … certainly not small business … or market investors .. or the poor sods in super in 2008 …

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:07 pm

    Finally some level headedness !

    COMMUNICATIONS Minister Malcolm Turnbull has refused to endorse the prime minister’s claim that heads should roll at the ABC, after it allowed a convicted criminal on live television.

    TONY Abbott made the call after the public broadcaster replayed Zaky Mallah’s appearance on the Q&A program, despite admitting it was an error of judgment.

    “I will decide what metaphors I use and the manner in which I use them,” Mr Turnbull told ABC TV on Thursday night, when asked if he agreed with Mr Abbott.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/turnbull-doesnt-back-up-pms-abc-call/story-e6frfku9-1227415140835

    The “et tu Brutus” moment for the Mad Abbott may be closer than the Acolytes think know …

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:09 pm

    heads should roll

    MMmmm … I see where Kneel gets it from …

    I’ve noticed over the years that folk who use such terms are generally weaklings who piss off at the first sign of trouble …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:14 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/gina-rinehart-wants-workers-to-take-pay-cut/story-e6frfmci-1227414588391

    Sicker and sicker … Twiggy wants a price cap and Rhino wants workers pay cuts … ME ME ME ME ME …

    But, but I do it for Australia and the people!

    Yeah we know …

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2015 9:18 pm

    heads should roll

    Might be interesting to do a search about which side of politics uses figures of speech like that the most.

  184. armchair opionator permalink
    June 25, 2015 10:43 pm

    http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/qa-mark-scott-fires-back-at-tony-abbott-saying-abc-is-not-a-state-broadcaster-20 150625-ghxr9g.html

    “…It is the ABC’s independence from government, Mr Scott said, “that shapes the ABC as a public broadcaster, not a state broadcaster”.

    “I hope no one seriously wants the ABC to be a state broadcaster,” he said.

    “We know the examples. North Korea and Russia. China and Vietnam. There are many others.” …”

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:10 am

    I think it is entirely reasonable to be critical of the ABC. I didn’t see Q&A but there is an orientation to promote contentious (and usually left) views on the program.

    Routinely the show will be comprised of a panel along the lines of – a Green, ALP spokesperson, an activist (environment or indigenous) a left oriented academic and a Liberal.

    Has there ever been a panel comprised of IPA, farmers federation, Country Women’s Association, Liberals, Andrew Bolt and an ALP MP?

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:20 am

    …and it’s not as if the NFF and IPA have anything in common in terms of economic policy, but Q&A tends to assign a single conservative/Liberal to express views on behalf of the right.

    Q&A prefers to treat the right as homogeneous, while acknowledging the diversity of the left.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:03 am

    …However, it does not entail a right to appear on Q&A…

    He’s allowed to go on qanda like any other person in the country is, usually the program is monopolised by politicians trying to bombard us with partisan political messages.

    …Routinely the show will be comprised of a panel along the lines of – a Green, ALP spokesperson, an activist (environment or indigenous) a left oriented academic and a Liberal…

    I disagree, rarely do you see a green rep on the panel, that’s something I pay particular attention to, there is usually 2 x libs and 2 x labor pollies or their spinners and a couple of academics or artists. You people on the right seem to assume that any program should reinforce your view on anything. Well, the show should put forward all views and opinions, just like society is made up of. We see enough left vs right crap every day from the pollies and their media mouthpieces, it is nice not to hear them for a change. The best shows on qanda are the ones that don’t have any pollies on, or have them in a minority so we can hear other people speak.

    I didn’t know anything about zaky mallah, it was actually good to hear what he had to say and how he got to those views and actions. It appears he wasn’t the ‘terrorist’ that the faux outraged would have us believe. I don’t need to agree with him and I didn’t at times, but I do like to hear the other point of view. I like to make my own mind up, not get force fed some tripe that others want me to think for party political purposes.
    Personally, I was more offended by the stated views of ciobo and fitzgibbon than anything that Zaky Mallah was trying to say on qanda, however inarticulately.

    The only people who seem to be wanting to shut down our free speech and control our every movement and thought appears to be this abbott government.

    death cult, death cult, death cult x 10 flags worth!

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:07 am

    …Has there ever been a panel comprised of IPA, farmers federation, Country Women’s Association, Liberals, Andrew Bolt and an ALP MP?…

    Weird, you reckon 4 x lib/barrackers and 1 x ALP person is balanced? Throw in the CWA so they can sit there ignored all night?

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:25 am

    Has there ever been a panel of all women [of any political persuasion], or a majority of women? Has there ever been a panel where the women have managed to get much of a word in without the men talking over them and monopolising all the air time?

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:46 am

    When you look at the facts, it seems that people were objecting on the basis of who mallah is rather than what he said, because he didn’t say much at all, certainly nothing particularly offensive.

    Even with Hendo working hard on fabrications and outright porkies – he is a disgrace.

    Debate: Jonathan Holmes and Gerard Henderson:
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4262136.htm

    …Has there ever been a panel comprised of IPA, farmers federation, Country Women’s Association, Liberals, Andrew Bolt and an ALP MP?…

    Has there ever been a panel comprised of all muslims or all aborigines, male or female? We could play this game forever!

  191. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 7:52 am

    That’s fucking frightening extension of language if ever I heard one …

    Exactly. “stabbed in the back” is a political term that has it roots in over two thousand years of political bastardy.

    The other term is a just a violent expression of doing someone in. It is taking it to extremes.

    Which is why it so outraged some commentators here when Zaky used it. But it was fun to watch them do an abrupt 180 once the real source of the phrase was revealed.

    it was actually good to hear what he had to say and how he got to those views and actions.

    Exactly. And, it is becoming very clear, this grubmint is not interested at all in hearing their whipping boys views or defense. It is their way, or no way. It is Fascism writ large in our own country.

    Routinely the show will be comprised of a panel along the lines of – a Green, ALP spokesperson, an activist (environment or indigenous) a left oriented academic and a Liberal.

    Educate yourself yomm

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/past-programs-by-date.htm

    Q&A prefers to treat the right as homogeneous, while acknowledging the diversity of the left.

    depends on where your line of “right” is. Since “right” these days seems to be “far right” for any one else, then I guess anything not far right being “left” will make it VERY diverse, won’t it.

    When you look at the facts, it seems that people were objecting on the basis of who mallah is rather than what he said, because he didn’t say much at all, certainly nothing particularly offensive.

    Exactly AO. And these are probably the same people who lined up to watch shows like “Chopper”, Blue Murder and Underground latest series glorifying crooks. As long as the crooks are the right colour I guess.

    I mean, Chopper himself has made a mint from public appearances on the tales of his crimes. This guys not making money, just putting an opinion forward. Free Speech … these fuckers fear it.

  192. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 8:15 am

    Union and employer representatives will have to cede some of their seats on the boards of industry super funds under rules that will require one-third of the directors of each fund and the board chairman to be independent.

    ……………….

    Industry Super will oppose the requirement, arguing that the present rules have allowed its member funds to escape the scandals that have engulfed for-profit funds.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/unions-to-lose-some-seats-on-industry-super-boards-20150625-ghxvs2.html

  193. June 26, 2015 9:12 am

    boo.of.melb”””I didn`t see Q&A”””’

    #BUT

    boo.of.melb”””I think it is entirely reasonable to be critical of the ABC.”””’

    #2319 .. #way to go numb-nuts

  194. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 9:26 am

    Can I please have this confirmed if satire or not 😉

    The Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff Peta Credlin will present the ABC’s seven o’clock bulletin from next week, in a move designed to ensure Australians hear the right news.

    Ms Credlin – who will take on the role in addition to her existing responsibilities – has extensive media experience and is seen as having a better grasp than her predecessors of the types of stories Australians should hear.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/06/26/peta-credlin-named-new-abc-news-anchor/

  195. June 26, 2015 9:27 am

    boo-of.melb”””’Q&A prefers to treat the right as homogeneous”””

    #would that be because they very largely are

    boo.of.melb”””panel comprised of IPA, farmers federation, Country Women`s Association, Liberals, Andrew Bolt”””’

    #and when your wet-dream panel is asked about, VE, gay-marriage, renews, closing-tax loop-holes, or fcuking-over national-health/education/dole-office, which one of then would `actually` have an answer different to the rest. A `panel` full of teabags say `no-gay-marriage-or-VE` with micro-details of weasel words would be batshit boring telly. #qandaland

    #there is nothing `new` coming from the teabag-zombies on qandaland, you could find every word they utter on their website, ipa`s or limited-news

  196. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 9:30 am

    Has yabot jumped the shark. Will this signal the end of Labors capitulation?

    The Abbott government has been caught red-handed using national security, our independent police and security agencies, and the fear of terrorism itself, as tools for Liberal Party gain.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/caught-redhanded-how-tony-abbotts-national-security-push-is-being-used-for-political-gain-20150625-ghx6gm.html

    The government’s political point scoring on national security measures is having a counter-productive effect on reducing the threat of terrorism in Australia, an expert says.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/06/25/political-point-scoring-has-counter-effect-on-terrorism-expert/

    That last is pretty much what Zaky said on qanaa. Will The New Daily be put on a Tewwa Watch List! Should we have their stories funnelled through a department of information of thruthiness?

  197. June 26, 2015 9:41 am

    boo of melb”””Q&A tends to assign a single””#teabag

    #wrong again numb-nuts .. #2319

    #had you seen the last episode, you would know there was two teabags on the panel and one teabag-lite from the political class, and the political class got their arse kicked for the nearly the whole show, by the other three on panel, two of which were yanks that kept telling our fcuking idiots they don`t want to make our country the same as the yanks, and why.

    #and as you should know by now, l`m very, very fcuking rarely impressed with `yanks`

  198. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 9:50 am

    two of which were yanks that kept telling our fcuking idiots they don`t want to make our country the same as the yanks, and why.

    That is one story completely overlooked in all the tewwa mongering. Americans, warning us not to take that path. We need to stop the disaster now.

  199. June 26, 2015 9:58 am

    tr”””’political point scoring on national security measures is having a counter-productive effect on reducing the threat of terrorism””(#inside the nation or on recruiting)

    #yeah team-cheerer, that`s actually quite old info too, it has been in various doco`s for decades now (think it was even in one of michael moores films)

  200. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:00 am

    “….as usual so out of “touch” …”

    “…I wonder if he realises that one person has “paid his debt”, whilst the others are “paying”…”

    The two resident dopes communicate with each other not realising the real meaning being the “appropriateness and risk” of going out of one’s way to give certain convicted individuals a publicly funded platform on Live TV to spew forth their rubbish.

    Dopey1 and Dopey2………………………….LOL

  201. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:03 am

    And it might come as a surprise to Dopey1 and Dopey2 that Anthony Albanese also criticised the actions of Q&A for having that c**t on TV on Monday night.

    Whether he has paid his time or not is totally irrelevant.

    But clearly lost on you two dopes

  202. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:08 am

    certain convicted individuals

    So, only ‘certain’ convicted (and now free) individuals?

    Anthony Albanese also criticised the actions of Q&A for having that c**t on TV on Monday night.

    Of course, Labor jumping at shadows doesn’t make it right.

    Even freedomboy has come out said what’s the problem? Wow, so now I’m disagreeing with Albanese, and agreeing with freedomboy.

    And you think someone who stirs up that kind of discussion should be banned ROFL

    As for albo and Shorten paying out theirabc, read Tingles excellent analysis

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:16 am

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:26 am

  205. June 26, 2015 10:31 am

    The qandaland `drama` is bullshit blubbers.

    For those interested, the meat`n`potatoes of the show was our three politicians getting soundly arse-fcuked by the non-politicians.

    Because team-politician comprised of two teabags, this gave limited-news the so-called `reason` to find something to bleat about, and the minor excitement provided by `zaky` in the final few minutes allowed them to include my abc in their attack.

    The embedded media being what it is, and loves to talk to itself about itself, can`t help itself but wallow in it`s own crepulence and frighten many timid politicians along the way.

    There is no massive `charter` infringement by the live-to-air show no matter how much team death-cult screams otherwise. Just a distraction from the meat`n`potatoes of the show, and self indulgence by the embedded media.

  206. QANDA All women edition permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:32 am

    For armchair opinionator

    [video src="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/vodcast/qanda_2015_ep07.mp4" /]

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:34 am

  208. QANDA All Aboriginal edition permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:37 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4040700.htm

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:41 am

    For armchair opinionator
    [video src="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/vodcast/qanda_2015_ep07.mp4" /]

    link didn’t work

    did you find one episode of all women? Would be an exception rather than the rule. Was it mother’s day? 😉 [hopefully it was DV]

  210. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:47 am

    Well done to the Greens for getting this renewable energy project of hte ground

    oh … wait..

    A deal has been struck to build a $450m windfarm in Victoria, days after the renewable energy target finally passed parliament.
    …………….

    “With certainty comes investment, that’s our experience overseas and that’s what we’ll see here in Australia now that the RET is fully resolved,” said GE Australia’s president, Geoff Culbert.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/26/deal-to-build-450m-windfarm-struck-after-renewable-energy-bill-passed?CMP=share_btn_tw

  211. June 26, 2015 10:51 am

    ao”””did you find one episode of all women?””’

    #ya`wrong armchair, they do `womadelaide` in canoe-town on an annual basis, country women-teabags have had a seat on `rural` episodes, had an aboriginal one too, l hope that soothes your `raging` feminista somewhat:-)

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:01 am

    l hope that soothes your `raging` feminista somewhat:-)

    when they are as common as the male panels…maybe 🙂

    After all, we are 50% of the population!

  213. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:09 am

    they do `womadelaide` in canoe-town on an annual basis

    ???????????

    sarcasm perhaps?

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:09 am

    heads should roll
    stabbed in the back
    slit somebody’s throat

    I will agree that saying somebody’s throat should be slit is a more extreme figure of speech than some other figures of speech. i suspect the others were just as shocking when first mentioned.

    But lefties are just playing double standards again. i am sure the same thing was said about John Howard by lefties and nobody complained.

  215. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:15 am

    i suspect the others were just as shocking when first mentioned.

    I’m pretty sure Julius Caesar thought so too.

    But lefties are just playing double standards again.

    Should I draw your attention to the OUTRAGE displayed when some thought it was Zaky who initially said it, and then hte defense when the truth finally filtered through?

    Yes, howard copped a lot of shit, you can put that up for ‘balance’ if you like. But, it is undoubted that hte vitriol that has come into our political discourse has been excaleted, and you draw a distinct line of its rise to when tabot “stabbed turnbull in the back” and became ol

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:16 am

    ““With certainty comes investment, that’s our experience overseas and that’s what we’ll see here in Australia now that the RET is fully resolved,” said GE Australia’s president, Geoff Culbert.”

    That thieving rent-seeker would say that now the subsidy is locked in. As usual the ordinary citizen is screwed again.

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:20 am

    Yes, howard copped a lot of shit, you can put that up for ‘balance’ if you like

    Biggest understatement ever. lefties just play politics all the time.

    I notice whenever Abbott stands in front of flags to make a statement lefties post lots of pictures. Might be interesting to see pictures of Gillard when she made similar statements.

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:20 am

  219. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:21 am

    As usual the ordinary citizen is screwed again.

    Fucken thieving rent-seeker s

    Australian Government tariff and budgetary gross assistance to industry amounted to over $17 billion in 2013-14.

    http://www.pc.gov.au/research/recurring/trade-assistance/2013-14

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:28 am

  221. June 26, 2015 11:31 am

    ao””’as common as the male panels”””

    #armchair, l don`t think the panels are decided in the way you infer,

    #l suspect the panels are decided via `topic` and `availability`

    #after all, it`s not cabinet

    #l sometimes catch teh-drum, it has at least two women in the `host` rotation and often has two-of-three women on panel (tho l admit l don`t see/watch it that often) which might mean there may not be much difference when you add teh-drum and qandaland (same-format) together between fe/male air-time. ??

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:31 am

  223. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:33 am

    “Australian Government tariff and budgetary gross assistance to industry amounted to over $17 billion in 2013-14. ”

    Good to see you are finally against car industry assistance

  224. June 26, 2015 11:35 am
  225. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:39 am

    wow AO, that is just so WRONG

    compare and contrast

    So, according to the libs, the most vulnerable should be treated as market capital?

  226. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:43 am

    Good to see you are finally against car industry assistance

    wow, are you claiming that the car industry got $17 billion in 2013-14?

    Just to be clear of what you are trying to say of course 😉

  227. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:44 am

    This is where we have sunk now reb, john howard is now the voice of reason 😦

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:48 am

    Tony Abbott incites threats against ABC by conservative terrorists.

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:51 am

  230. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:51 am

    “wow, are you claiming that the car industry got $17 billion in 2013-14?”

    No but its part of i.

    Like I said…….good to see you are against it now

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:56 am

    “Actually, now you’ve really lost me

    Apparently, for Ciobo to say “slit Gillards throat” is fine, she’s just being pretentious.

    But when Zaky does, and ironically, STRIP HIS CITIZENSHIP!

    That was my original point. Bolt read Zaky’s comment literally and was oblivious to the intended meaning which was the apparent hypocrisy of Ciobo.

  232. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:57 am

    ” ABC offices placed in security lockdown “

    Completely unnecessary. The terrorists and criminals are on the inside.

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:02 pm

    The ALP’s map of enemy recruitment hotspots in Sydney:

  234. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:07 pm

    That was my original point. Bolt read Zaky’s comment literally and was oblivious to the intended meaning which was the apparent hypocrisy of Ciobo.

    Fair enough SB. Others didn’t see the irony/sarcasm. I missed it in your initial post.

  235. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:11 pm

    The terrorists and criminals are on the inside.

    Obviously, yabots dog whistling has convinced some mad fuckers that that is the case.

    He WILL get his tewwa event, he might just need to try a bit harder.

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:20 pm

    I can’t think of a more irresponsible and reckless PM in modern history as abbott.

    He has created, sponsored and incited domestic terrorism against the national public broadcaster. A total negligence of his duties and abuse of power in office for personal political purposes and a servant to the agenda of the murdoch media.

    Abbott is acting against the best interests of the australian people, his unhinged lunacy driven by personal ambition is the only danger to the public.

  237. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:23 pm

    The ALP’s map of enemy recruitment hotspots in Sydney:

    I don’t know why he deleted it. It highlights ably what yabot was doing with his ‘security” meeting televising “hotspots” around the country.

    This bloody dog whistle is so obvious though, it’s really unkind to even call it that. It’s outright fear mongering

    Have you heard what they said on the news today
    Have you heard what is coming to us all?
    That the world as we know it will be coming to an end
    Have you heard, have you heard?

  238. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:25 pm

    It’s true, just laugh at the fuckers

  239. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:38 pm

    “The ALP’s map of enemy recruitment hotspots in Sydney:”

    ROFLMAO…………yes I’m sure Jason Clare, Tony Bourke and Chris Bowen are mightily amused by their colleagues “Danger” and “Bogan” areas.

    I wonder why he deleted it.

  240. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:41 pm

    “It highlights ably what yabot was doing with his ‘security” meeting televising “hotspots” around the country.”

    Yeah……………..who would have thought that the vast majority of Australian Islamic Extremists actually live in Islamic neighbourhoods in close proximity to Sydney’s Sunni Mosques.

    Unbelievable !

    Who would have thought ?

  241. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:51 pm

    Who would have thought ?

    It’s aimed at crazy fuckers isn’t it, like the ones who now believe that abc is a hotbed of militant reporters with hatchets.

    It even had targets painted for ’em.

  242. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:54 pm

  243. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 12:58 pm

    Whose side is the daily tewwa on?

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:07 pm

    Whose side is the daily tewwa on?

    This time they are on the right side. The ALP is rabble unfit for government.

  245. June 26, 2015 1:26 pm

    ao”””’incited domestic terrorism against the national public broadcaster”””’

    #not to worry armchair, the silver-lining would be nsw-plod `tactical` would get some practice dealing with armed tinfoil-clad imbeciles and raise the states iq

  246. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 1:29 pm

    If the ALP is sooooooooooooooooooo concerned why put them on Twitter and then not delete them ?

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:03 pm

    “He has created, sponsored and incited domestic terrorism against the national public broadcaster. “

    Say hello to the pixies at the bottom of the garden for me.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:12 pm

    The ALP is rabble unfit for government.

    I know where the fkn rabble is … but I can see the pattern of misinformation and obfuscation a mile away …

  249. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:33 pm

    Say hello to the pixies at the bottom of the garden for me.

    Because asking if a media company “is on our side” is rational behaviour 😯

  250. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2015 2:55 pm

    Awkward

    FORMER immigration minister Amanda Vanstone has been asked by the Australian Federal Police to explain why she granted a visa to an alleged Italian crime figure.

    Three serving Liberal MPs are also believed to have been interviewed or contacted by police as part of a probe into tens of thousands of dollars in donations to the Liberal Party by supporters of Francesco Madafferi when he was facing deportation from Australia.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/vanstone-quizzed-in-mafia-case-20091109-i5d1.html

  251. Terrarium Australis permalink
    June 26, 2015 4:52 pm

    Is the Abbott Government fascist?

  252. Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2015 5:21 pm

    Welcome Terrarium Australis

    A word of advice……..anyone who cites John Pilger as a credible source should be treated as an idiot.

    Thanks for the Link

    Now go back to your village………it misses you

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:52 pm

    Thanks terrarium oz
    You couldn’t put a cigarette paper between abbott and fascism.
    Anyone who quotes pilger would be very well informed, though I’m not sure that you did, did you?

    I’m excited! This is truly well worth a read, it will be presented at Labor’s National Conference, a new economic policy, just what I have been waiting for!

    [john quiggin] A progressive alternative economic agenda:
    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/06/26/a-progressive-alternative-economic-agenda/

    …This is a statement released yesterday and endorsed by a group of unions and individuals, including me. It calls for a progressive alternative economic policy. It’s a statement of principles rather than a program, and essentially a restatement of the social democratic position that represents the best of the Australian labor movement, free of both dogmatic leftism and the capitulation to market liberalism we’ve seen over the past thirty years or so.

    A program developed on these principles would, I believe, be electorally popular if only we could get it before the public. But the policy elite, including journalists and the press, remain under the spell of market liberalism, despite its evident failures. So, our public debate will continue to be dominated by silly pointscoring about debt, deficits and the need for “reform”.

    The full text is over the fold (the link goes to a properly formatted version)…

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 10:57 pm

    …Awkward
    FORMER immigration minister Amanda Vanstone has been asked by the Australian Federal Police to explain why she granted a visa to an alleged Italian crime figure…

    I remember reading about that a few years ago tomR, and it seemed [as with all things liberal], the AFP just sat on it, twiddling their thumbs, until it went away.

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:10 pm

    TB, you’ll love it! [good debate in comments too]

    A progressive alternative economic agenda
    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/06/26/a-progressive-alternative-economic-agenda/

    …We intend to build a nationwide campaign for a progressive political economic strategy. That involves a broader debate about how the economy and politics work to mainly benefit the rich and powerful, and what are the basic values that a progressive economy should serve – security, fairness and ecological sustainability. The economy should serve society, rather than the reverse.
    To begin this process of challenge and change, the People’s Economic Alternative has proposed a set of values and principles that can underpin a new progressive economic agenda and a process for uniting the many dynamic parts of the labour and broader social justice movements…

    comments:
    …Sam B
    June 26th, 2015 at 09:42 | #9 Reply | Quote
    Man, how many times have I seen theoretical economists (and the very good ones) looking at workers and unemployment and wages only as units and numbers and not a human matter. I am glad to be an empirical economist and thinking the same way as this manifesto…

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2015 11:27 pm

    The Drum 25/6

    Mark Scott – “the ABC is a public broadcaster, not a state broadcaster”

    Mike Seccombe – “The government has it’s own state broadcaster, it’s called News Corp”

    A Zaky Mallah Q&A fact check

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-26/a-zaky-mallah-qa-fact-check/6576942

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 12:14 am

  258. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2015 12:53 am

    You truly are an idiot KL with Mark Scott.

    If you think you can divert to the subject of frec speech when dealing with a preacher terrorism of gangbangs of females and violence against women plus being convicted and jailed

    You are seriously are a moron

    I suggest on your next shift you should walk into the psych ward and lay down on the nearest couch !

    Pathetic !

  259. June 27, 2015 1:28 am

    quig””””security, fairness and ecological sustainability. The economy should serve society, rather than the reverse””’via-ao

    #so should so-called democratic governments of any flavor

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 5:08 am

    The ‘free speech’ argument on this topic is crap.

    It isn’t up to taxpayers to provide a soapbox to spruiking criminals (who advocate rape).

    Like others with a point of view they can argue their point on a blog or they can start their own or they can join a like minded group of criminals.

    But why should taxpayers foot the bill to broadcast the crap?

  261. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 8:15 am

    That’s a poor argument. Why should taxpayers pay for many things?

    I can think of numerous examples of my tax dollars being used in ways that I don’t like.

    Words are not deeds, no matter how unpleasant they are, if they were, the right wing shock jocks would be off the airwaves and half the country would be in jail.

    It seems that there is only room for the right ‘free’ speech by those of the right. So much advocacy for free speech aka bolt, but free speech has to be right wing speech or there is a meltdown.

    You’re being manipulated by abbott for his political ambition and his attack dog media in their agenda of destroying the public broadcaster.

    You obviously haven’t heard of the attacks upon muslim women and the every day threats that are directed [and written] at them by the supposedly good, white folks of this country.

    Our days are filled with terror induced fear courtesy of the abbott govt. It’s not a bad idea to know how one of these people being so demonised is thinking and why IMO.

    Perhaps if we had these conversations more instead of shutting them down and being faux outraged by them, we might learn something more than how to react when your chain is yanked by politicians.

    I think it’s telling how some are still ‘outraged’ and screeching about this issue 5 days after the event when abbott [with help from labor] has been busy behind the scenes removing our civil liberties and rights/freedoms without a whimper from you lot. That is what you should be outraged about.

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 8:41 am

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 8:52 am

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 9:11 am

    In defence of the ABC
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-26/scott-in-defence-of-the-abc/6575408

  265. June 27, 2015 9:23 am

    boo-of melb””But why should taxpayers foot the bill to broadcast”””’

    #2319 .. This is really what you mean tho isn`t it `boo`.

    #Just another opportunity to spout the zombie-message, and as usual, you don`t include any real original explainer why the taxpayers shouldn`t have a fully integrated comms network. #teabags

  266. June 27, 2015 9:40 am

    ao”””the attacks upon muslim women and the every day threats that are directed [and written] at them””#and-women-generally

    #l don`t know if you have noticed armchair, but `boo` is quite the `pretend` feminista. That is, deplorable things, brutal acts of violence, which he knows cannot be condoned, boo will lend his voice. Otherwise he remains silent, or often voices `reasonable`ness when it is for working-class women to be solidly trampled. #boo.IS.a.teabag

  267. June 27, 2015 10:01 am

    on my abc24 they just discussed `zaky` in a left/right `panel` format,

    #eva cox for team-left/feminista

    #kate carnel for team-crank/teabag

    #(notice TWO chicks armchair:-) and they both basically agreed, qandaland is lively and dynamic, my abc didn`t commit a giant sin (little-sin), and it is `overblown` and mr-rabbit/team are behaving `poorly` trying to damage my abc and/or staff with the hysteria

    #notice, when you can`t convince carnel to argue `black-is-white` for the teabags (which-is-rare) then you know the topic is total bullshit

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 11:37 am

    I suggest on your next shift you should walk into the psych ward and lay down on the nearest couch !

    Pathetic !

    Was there a logical argument in all those insults aimed at KL?

    You really are getting shrill and uptight … trouble is you we don’t know what about.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But why should taxpayers foot the bill to broadcast the crap?

    You must feel the same about taxpayers funding religious schools and chaplains in state schools too, ToM …

    It is about free speech and John Howard said so … 🙂

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 12:02 pm

    TB, you’ll love it! [good debate in comments too]

    I do and it is … a bit rough around the edges and needs a great deal of polishing but the concept is about right …

    There are some good comments too and the obligatory mad liberal troll I see …

    Thanks for the link …

    Prosperity with Integrity!

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy!

  270. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2015 1:17 pm

    Prosperity with Integrity!

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy!

    Me to. But you will not get it with ALP policies.

  271. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2015 2:58 pm

    the AFP just sat on it, twiddling their thumbs, until it went away.

    You know, the alacrity with which they jumped onto the libs targets, and the laissez fair attitude to complaints from the Labor side, makes you think that something just isn’t right in the land of fascists.

    If you think you can divert to the subject of frec speech when dealing with a preacher terrorism of gangbangs of females and violence against women plus being convicted and jailed

    Anything I could add to TB’s comment would just be superfluous “Was there a logical argument in all those insults aimed at KL?”

    But why should taxpayers foot the bill to broadcast the crap?

    Have you heard of this thing the abc (and the libs used) to proclaim about called “balance”

    Unfortunately, Australia isn’t made up of just nice, robotic droids. we have a wide and varying conglomerate of cultures, and some are even allowed to speak. In fact, I’ve seen red neck morons on their abc before spouting their rubbish. We didn’t see the outburst we have when their targets get a turn.

    But you will not get it with ALP policies.

    Worlds Greatest Treasurer 😉

  272. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2015 3:17 pm

    Meanwhile, these economic pygmies are selling the kitchen cupboards too

  273. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2015 3:18 pm

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2015 3:27 pm

    Worlds Greatest Treasurer

    If Swan is the worlds greatest Treasurer this world is in big trouble.

    I suspect he got that award because when the GFC hit net debt was zero and the Europeans were amazed at our zero debt.

    Not for long however. Nobody can rack up debt faster than the ALP. Anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 has damned this country for decades.

  275. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2015 3:37 pm

    I suspect he got that award because he implemented policies in a timely manner that prevented unemployment rising to the levels other countries saw, and the resultant recessions they experienced.

    In fact, he implemented them so well, that even Treasury were surprised by their efficacy. I guess after a decade of a loser like costello, expectations would have been low 😉

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2015 3:50 pm

    I guess after a decade of a loser like costello,

    Under Costello unemployment went from 8% to 4%. Govt debt went from 18% of GDP to zero. We were the envy of the world.

    Hope you don’t think i have any respect for your opinions. Other than destroying people lives i am not sure why you exist.

    Name me one ALP govt since 1980 that has paid off any debt?

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 5:13 pm

    The point is AO that Q&A has deliberately become a forum for marginal groups and wannabe shock jocks.

    It’s fine if private media companies decide there’s a buck to be gained from giving them a soapbox, but it’s not up to taxpayers to fund promotion of their views.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 5:56 pm

    Have you heard of this thing the abc (and the libs used) to proclaim about called “balance”

    Speaking of “balance” … I guess The Mad Abbott’s “we love you ABC” last week contrasts with “head should (or was it must) roll” this week …

    … or does that simply reflect the roller coaster we’ve been on since the “adults have been in charge” (22 miserable months of insecurity for most Australians) …

    … we won’t do this but then we’ll do that … but we are going to do this … nope, nope, nope we aren’t going to do that …

    … we’ll roll back this and we’ll roll back that ….

    … but we will have school chaplains and we will have a windfarm commissioner – what about a fkn coalmine commissioner or a fracking commissioner …

    … the imbalanced flip flopping is driving people nuts!

    Just as the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd bickering did …

    … no-one knows what will happen next! Least of all The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes … the hymn sheet changes daily ! Nay fkn hourly!

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 6:09 pm

    Under BHPB – RIO TINTO unemployment went from 8% to 4%. Govt debt went from 18% of GDP to zero. We were the envy of the world.

    Costello “lost” $10 billion … had he done that in the private sector he would have resigned – before he was terminated … gross incompetence!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s fine if private media companies decide there’s a buck to be gained from giving them a soapbox, but it’s not up to taxpayers to fund promotion of their views.

    I think you’re misunderstanding “balance”, ToM … Rhino bought into Channel 10 and gave Bolt a job promoting the right wing politics she and other billionaires promote …

    You support that because you agree with it …

    I don’t agree with anything Bolt says … but I cannot afford to buy into a TV station and appoint my “mouthpiece” …. nope, nope, nope … I have to listen to the shite of Ciaobo … and Zaky Mallah … but I do get both points of view … not just Rhino’s … Bolt is on a chain …

    And I actually get TWO BS artists not just one dickhead …

    … and FYI the ABC is not just about political shows it has some of the finest drama on TV … watch Janet King or The Secret River … and for comedy Still Open All Hours is a world classic …

    Narrow minded you are not … but your comments are heading that way … ’cause you’ve lost your objectivity supporting the arsehole raping our country!

    And in case you’re wondering right now … I have always enjoyed your input and our “relationship” …

    … and no, Shorten does not have my support …

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 6:13 pm

    What’s really special is the bronco’s fifth win in a row … in the middle of the State of Orange!

    And where do they sit on the NRL Ladder … read it and weeeeeeeep, Wally …

    http://www.nrl.com/DrawResults/TelstraPremiership/Ladder/tabid/10251/Default.aspx

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 6:14 pm

    …The point is AO that Q&A has deliberately become a forum for marginal groups and wannabe shock jocks…

    In your opinion only, if you identify with the extreme right with abbott corp and the murdoch media, any other normal public discourse looks marginal or ‘lefty’ to you. There’s a lot of other people in the community who aren’t having their views represented by the extremists of murdoch and the IPA who will drown them out or ignore them . Newscorp itself, is a marginal group, they don’t represent the mainstream view, nor does the IPA. They are given more of a forum and promoted far more than they deserve.

    …but it’s not up to taxpayers to fund promotion of their views…

    Actually, it is, the public broadcaster is there to promote views in the public interest, there are many issues that don’t get into the public domain because the pollies and murdoch don’t want them in, but that doesn’t mean the public isn’t interested in having the discussion.

    It’s not up to murdoch or abbott to decide who or what is in the public interest, it is supposed to be independent, they have their own megaphones to trumpet their agendas. The ABC is not a state broadcaster and should not be controlled by the state, certainly shouldn’t have murdoch and his minions dictating to the ABC, it is owned and controlled by a foreign national who only has his own interests uppermost, not the australian public.

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 6:57 pm

    [Tony Windsor] Asylum-seeker policy a dark spot in Australia’s history:
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/06/27/asylum-seeker-policy-dark-spot-australias-history/14353272002050#.VY5fEfmqqkp

  283. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 7:00 pm

    Tobacco industry playbook used to kill renewables [MIKE SECCOMBE]
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/06/27/tobacco-industry-playbook-used-kill-renewables/14353272002054#.VY5lz_mqqko

    …Anti-renewable lobbyists have infiltrated politics, and are exploiting the tricks learned from Big Tobacco…

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2015 7:29 pm

    Oh =, the hilarity!

    T–

    Our Party went to the last election with a plan to build a strong, prosperous economy and a safe, secure Australia.

    Today, I reported to the Federal Council of the Liberal Party on our progress and to set out our next steps in achieving this goal.

    Our plan means backing hard working Australians to get ahead and to fulfil their dreams.

    Our plan is working. Since you elected this government:
    • Almost 290,000 new jobs have been created.
    • Economic growth is now stronger than in most developed nations.
    • We’ve stopped the boats and secured our borders.
    This government has steadfastly met the challenges of the past 22 months.

    We’re making our country safer and more prosperous for everyone.

    Read my speech at liberal.org.au.

    Regards,

    Tony Abbott

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 7:52 pm

    The ABC: You Know You’re Doing Something Right When Even Nauru Hates You:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/27/abc-you-know-youre-doing-something-right-when-even-nauru-hates-you#sthash.xYlGpzAl.dpuf

    …The release started on the Mallah incident, but quickly segued into a broader attack.

    “The [Nauruan] Government recently complained to ABC managing director Mark Scott over an edition of the 7:30 program but received no reply. The program aired unsubstantiated and false accusations that Nauruan Justice Minister David Adeang, a single father of seven, attempted to hinder investigations into the death of his wife,” it said…

    ….7:30 didn’t actually air the allegations Adeang claims it did. The program did, however, point out the following facts: when the Justice Minister’s wife burned to death on her own front lawn no evidence was collected from the scene, and the police said they were too scared of Adeang to investigate…

    …Furious though they are, these heroes of free speech have had nothing to say about the curtailment of civil liberties on Nauru. The Abbott government likes to play culture wars at home, but has no problem when a subservient foreign government outlaws free speech, so long as it keeps locking up the asylum seekers who would otherwise call Australia home.

    With that in mind, we can only hope the editors of the outlets currently bleating about Aunty soon take up residency on Nauru. It’s exactly the kind of refugee incarcerating, civil liberties detesting, dissent squashing, corporate donor dictated state they’ve been hoping we’ll become for years…

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 8:05 pm

    Abbott has given up on debt and deficit reduction, but few have noticed
    :http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/26/abbott-has-given-up-on-debt-and-deficit-reduction-but-few-have-noticed?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …There is no doubt the debt issue had an impact on the electorate when it cast its vote, even though the Coalition was embarrassingly wrong on the issue.

    It is also relevant to note the abject failure of the Abbott government to act on its concerns, however misguided they are, to halt the rise in debt.

    The Abbott government has not only given up on debt and deficit reduction, but has done a U-turn that has a framework of large deficits and rising debt as it strives to buy favour with the electorate. It is extraordinary that very few people have noticed, notwithstanding the $2bn of new debt the government has accumulated each and every week since it was elected…

  287. June 27, 2015 8:16 pm

    I’m not sure which is the appropriate thread for Q&A/Zaky Malek, but this will have to do for now.

    Firstly, I didn’t watch the infamous episode of Q&A. I stopped watching Q&A months (years?) ago, because I can’t stomach the earnest world-changing righteousness of most of the guests (and the host).

    I think the fact that this guy was given a soapbox by the ABC is unsurprising. He was put there to provide a gotcha to the current minister. Whether this would have happened under a Labor government is the subject of conjecture. (Personally, I doubt it.)

    But.

    I have no problem with this person’s appearance on the program. Actually, I think there should be more of it. I strongly disagree with what this person has to say, but I want as many people as possible to hear what it is he believes.

  288. June 27, 2015 8:39 pm

    Tinfoil`osy””””I didn`t watch the infamous episode of Q&A.”””

    Tinfoil`osy””””I strongly disagree with what this person has to say,”””

    #ROFL

  289. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 8:55 pm

    AO – In your opinion only

    Maybe, if I could be bothered I’d compile a list of guests. I think it would show the orientation I’ve suggested.

    But the issue remains – the ABC chose to give a soapbox to a criminal who has advocates rape as a political response

    I think the ABC has expressed that this was a mistake. The mistake occurred because of its determination to provide a platform to marginal loudmouths. It routinely does this as a matter of programming policy . It is in strife as a direct result of its policy.

  290. June 27, 2015 8:57 pm

    That`s right dill. Keep regurgitating the zombie talk-points.

    boo-of melb””’Q&A has deliberately become a forum for marginal groups and wannabe shock jocks.”””’

    #`marginal`=gays,aboriginals,beaten-wives

    boo.of.melb”””it`s not up to taxpayers to fund promotion of their views.”””’

    #Really.? #2319 #Another stupid comment from our corporate deep-throater.

    #l would ask him for an explainer, but blot hasn`t given him one yet.

  291. June 27, 2015 9:02 pm

    #freespeechexposesfuckwits

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 9:18 pm

    Here it’s summer and the surf is about a metre and very clean.

    And I’m sitting in the town square of a very pretty Basque town.

    Not even mindless f**kwits can spoil my mood!

  293. June 27, 2015 9:44 pm

    “I have no problem with this person’s appearance on the program. Actually, I think there should be more of it. I strongly disagree with what this person has to say, but I want as many people as possible to hear what it is he believes.””

    I agree 100%…

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2015 10:17 pm

    If we’re constantly reminding each other that we need to listen to moderates, why would the publicly funded broadcaster go out of its way to give voice to an extremist?

    It is just the ABC having their own version shock jockism.

  295. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2015 11:03 pm

    “I think the fact that this guy was given a soapbox by the ABC is unsurprising. ”

    I agree

    But what I am also fucking pissed off about is that Q&A /ABC with 5 producers also has a fucking number of mini buses to pick arseholes up and deliver them home.

    Fucking unbelievable ( smh today)

    Ultimo studio is well served by public transport. It’s inner Green Sydney.

    Cut 30% out of them easy.

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2015 11:20 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/in-the-fight-with-the-abc-tabloid-tony-rules-20150627-ghygaz

    …Mallah introduced himself as the first man in Australia charged with terrorism, admitting he had “done and said some stupid things, including threatening to kidnap and kill”. He had been convicted over the death threats, but acquitted on the terrorism charges. His question: “What would have happened if my case had been decided by the minister himself and not the courts?”

    The response from Steve Ciobo, the parliamentary secretary to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, could hardly have been more provocative. “I’m happy to look you straight in the eye and say that I would be pleased to be part of a government that would say that you’re out of the country as far as I’m concerned,” he said.

    Mallah’s reply triggered a swift rebuke from host Tony Jones and stunned silence from the studio audience. “The Liberals now have justified to many Australian Muslims in the community tonight to leave and go to Syria and join ISIL because of ministers like him,” Mallah said…

    There it is, the terrible, disgusting commentary from mallah, I could barely read it without gagging and retching.

    Also happens to be the very debate that is happening right now in the community about the marginalisation and constant demonising of muslims causing them to radicalise and mallah has voiced it.

    Tabloid Tony doesn’t want any of that to be heard because he’s busy trying to get re-elected. Tabloid tony doesn’t want his secret to come out, that his political re-election strategy is putting our country at risk. tabloid tony insists that the demonised must never, ever be heard, must remain voiceless and powerless. “Off with their heads” [how’s that for terror talk!]

    …But the issue remains – the ABC chose to give a soapbox to a criminal who has advocates rape as a political response…

    Isn’t mallah a free citizen, asking a question at a public forum? I thought it was only prisoners serving a custodial sentence who are denied their rights as citizens.
    Would you think he could also be a taxpayer whose taxes fund the ABC too?

    Anyway, we all know this is all a big play act to have another go at the ABC because professional, competent journalism frightens the living shit out of the lying, conniving conservatives and the criminal foreign national that is murdoch, doesn’t like any competition.

  297. June 27, 2015 11:37 pm

    ao”””this is all a big play act to have another go at the ABC because professional, competent journalism frightens the living shit out of the lying, conniving conservatives .. and the criminal foreign national that is murdoch, doesn`t like any competition.”””’#correct

    #it is all `Look-Over-There` panto, and the usual suspects ARE looking

  298. Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2015 12:40 am

    Of course you are including conservatives like this

    http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/keatings-mace-spray-at-qa-20111103-1mwk9.html

    You are such dickheads

  299. Tom R permalink
    June 28, 2015 7:30 am

    Whether this would have happened under a Labor government is the subject of conjecture.

    Conjecture no longer 😉

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/15/abc-lined-up-assange-for-gillard-but-denies-ambush/

    Of course, considering the knowledge ciobo displayed about a 10 year old case, it didn’t really look like the question was “sprung” upon him.

    Although, I do agree with Keating, qanda is a distraction in navel gazing futility

    But, why not just say the show is crap, rather than pick out one question you take offense to. I take offense to most of it, so I just don’t watch.

    It is obviously being ramped up for two reason. To keep the “tewwa on our doorstep” front and center, and to continue to kick the public broadcaster.

  300. Tom R permalink
    June 28, 2015 7:30 am

  301. Tom R permalink
    June 28, 2015 7:31 am

  302. June 28, 2015 9:22 am

    Good morning Terabags, on my abc barrie in handing mr-talkbull his arse over `zaky`, (yes, it`s still going on), barrie opened the segment with a clip of hicks asking john-w about his torture and dodgey trial, and it was all down-hill for mr-talkbull from there

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2015 11:02 am

    Its not just about the Muslim radical terra at all! It’s here on our doorsteps and in our workplaces … and shops and stuff … you’ve got it all wrong … my latest missive from the Liberal Party

    Dear T,

    The ACTU is building one of the biggest war chests in Australian political history.

    They’ve put a compulsory levy on union members to come after us and give Labor a massive advantage at the next federal election. It’s raising many millions already.

    The CFMEU is also now running a massive scare campaign with direct calls into households.

    Can you help us fight back?

    We’re getting on with the job of backing hard-working Australians with our strong economic plan. And we’re repairing Labor’s record debt and deficit.

    A return to Labor and corrupt union influences will cripple Australia’s economy and the prospects of all Australians – just look at what Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and Bill Shorten did in just 6 short years.

    Please donate now to help us take on Labor and the unions.

    Any amount, large or small will help – and donations may be tax deductible.*

    Regards

    Brian Loughnane
    Federal Director

    Aggggh fear, fear, panic – it’s a Jurrasic World!!!!!! Full of monsters and shit …

    … although I see The Mad Abbott has skipped the country for a couple of days … so we can feel comfy for a little while anyway …

  304. armchair opionator permalink
    June 28, 2015 11:18 am

    Doesn’t that make you want to donate TB?

    I suggest the one building a massive war chest is the libs. A very unpopular needs lots of money for fear mongering and attack ads.

    Did he happen to mention the massive donations from mining billionaires and big business plus front organisations streaming into the libs like rivers of gold?

  305. armchair opionator permalink
    June 28, 2015 11:28 am

    It’s not the religion that creates terrorists, it’s the politics

    http://gu.com/p/4a6fb?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy to clipboard

    “…Earlier this year, Professor Arun Kundnani published a fascinating account of how the rhetoric of radicalisation has created “a decade lost”. In it, he summarises the flimsy empirical basis on which the connection between radical theology and terrorism has been built and the extent to which the burgeoning radicalisation industry, especially in academia, is linked by a revolving door to conservative political lobbyists keen to blame conservative Islam for terrorism…”

  306. armchair opionator permalink
    June 28, 2015 11:42 am

    Go home Labor, you’re drunk. And basically evil

    http://gu.com/p/4a7vt?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy to clipboard

    Does Labor serve any purpose other than to rubber stamp the Abbott government’s decisions and wait for their turn to be in power?

  307. June 28, 2015 1:41 pm

    Hey Team-cheerer, moon-dog is agreeing with me again.

    #check-out the `stoop-o-meter` .. #blib

  308. June 28, 2015 2:49 pm

    tr”””Keating, qanda is a distraction in navel gazing futility .. just say the show is crap”””

    #somewhat agree team-cheerer, when it comes to `most` (the-politician) it is crap, as most of them just spout the `on-message` bullshit eg mr-poodle, the exceptions have been the `leader-only` shows, which were quite good.

    #The shows that are on `special-topics` or from `other-locations` tend to be quite good too, as they have a much better dynamic and not just the left/right horse-shit of the regular shows.

    #The format has the potential to be much better but it seems to be wedged by my abc`s charter so it devolves to left/right clap-trap too often. One episode l particularly remember was david suzuki and another `international` were on, unfortunately spoiled by have ipa/limited-news flat-earth trolls given equal time to shout them down. The show would have been heaps better without the trolls, just the internationals.

    #Unfortunately my abc can`t seem to break free of it`s charter induced fake-balance so floods it`s platform with various reality deniers when it should be using some `representative-balance` as the bbc now does.

  309. Walrus permalink
    June 29, 2015 5:40 pm

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 6:14 pm

    And you think Mallah is dangerous, Wally?

    And yet you put up a redacted screen capture from a site that has been shut down because of its extreme right wing content …

    In fact you run the risk of this blog being shut down … mainly because of the laws just passed by the government you support … and the ALP support … because if they are elected next time they will NOT repeal the laws that reduce all our freedoms … not the ISIL supporters … another bunch of Dickwits℞

    See how free speech (yours) is put at risk …

  311. Walrus permalink
    June 29, 2015 6:38 pm

    So you overdosed on your “Bitter and Twisted”Pills this morning

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2015 7:37 pm

    So you overdosed on your “Bitter and Twisted”Pills this morning

    Duh! Because you want to nuke innocent people – who are being killed, raped, pillaged and maimed by ISIL – I’m bitter and twisted??????????

    Think again … really … if you can … just what is “bitter and twisted” about my comment compared to yours?

  313. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 9:16 am

    freedom boy just got his ass handed to him on a platter on qanda last night. And the grubmint spokesman, paul kelly (from the oz, speaking on behalf of the grubmint, fer real) was shoved up in there too. All those nasty filthy lefties ganging up against the midddle.

    Or was it just three reasonable people highlighting the ridiculousness of two radicals?

    Still watching it, so haven’t seen the hate in the papers yet, but reckon it’ll up high.

  314. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 9:34 am

    “I’m bitter and twisted??????????”

    Yep, there seriously is something wrong with you

    Your obsession with comparing the LNP to the Nazis pretty much demonstrates a pathetic regard to those who lost their lives during WW2. Without any shame (because you have none) you completely trivialise WW2’s massive loss of life with such comparisons.

    Y

  315. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 9:41 am

    Your obsession with comparing the LNP to the Nazis

    I DISagree.

    I think we have reached the point where we compare Nazis to the LNP 😉

    You should head over to qanda and watch the cosmologist tell freedomboy what REAL freedom of speech is all about 😉

    hint, sending someone overseas san citizenship IS NOT freedom, speech or otherwise.

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4246615.htm

  316. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 9:59 am

  317. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 10:25 am

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2015 10:33 am

    Your obsession with comparing the LNP to the Nazis pretty much demonstrates a pathetic regard to those who lost their lives during WW2.

    Yer reckon … I was born following WWII 1947 … and my Mum still needed ration cards when I was six!

    Both my parents served in the armed forces (along with a few uncles and an aunt) … I was given a pretty good education in what totalitarian dictatorships can do to a country – there were still plenty of bomb damaged buildings around in 1960 … even simple things like all the iron railings cut off walls for the smelters … not many pots and pans in kitchen – collected for aluminium … to send for war matériel … I didn’t taste some foods until I was seven or eight … a big hooha over bananas of all things … and red meat was a luxury …

    And stories I finally heard from my Dad who served in the Royal Navy in both the North and South Atlantic … on convoys … like the U boat crew they machine gunned – they’d watched merchant sailors burned to death in the oil on the sea the night before … I was in my 30’s then … my Mum spent her war years in plotting bunkers in London anti-aircraft batteries …

    My comparison to Hitler’s Nazi Party and the LNP is because of the parallel freedoms that Germans lost over a short period of time just before WWII … and absolutely nothing to do the respect I have for the Allies who died for OUR FREEDOM … in fact quite the opposite …

    I grew up with many military personnel and you of all people know my strong relationship with past and present serving members …

    Don’t confuse the sacrifice of military personnel for our freedoms with the political expediency of present day politicians to control or limit those freedoms so dearly won … or you own ideological beliefs … ’cause I don’t … I’ve already experienced two years of that shit – you haven’t … and two of my mates paid the ultimate price in Vietnam …

    If it makes you feel any better (’cause I don’t) I wouldn’t trust the ALP as far as I could walk on water either!

  319. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 10:35 am

    And yet freedomboy doesn’t think the abc should “provide a platform ” for those with opposing views.

  320. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 10:55 am

    TomR

    Thats a Miranda parody account you dill………………….LOL

  321. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:03 am

    Thats a Miranda parody account

    But isn’t miranda a parody herself?

  322. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:06 am

    Oh OK then………….LOL

  323. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:12 am

    So here comes the Greek exit from the Euro…………or will someone blink first in this fast paced game of chicken

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/atms-run-dry-banks-closed-as-panic-rises-in-cash-strapped-greece/story-e6frflo9-1227421396404

  324. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:16 am

    This is an excellent explanation of just why the greens let down people with their pension deal.

  325. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:26 am

    or will someone blink first in this fast paced game of chicken

    I think the best thing for the Greeks is to get the hell out of dodge. From what I have read, the only losers from this is the Greek people. That’s not how it is supposed to work.

  326. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:28 am

    “This is an excellent explanation of just why the greens let down people with their pension deal. ”

    Fran Barlow simply falls back onto the old Leftie envy of those who have looked after their own retirement.

    Massive escalation of marginal tax rates and removal of all incentives to salary sacrifice is just plain fucking stupid but coming from her not unexpected

  327. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:33 am

    “I think the best thing for the Greeks is to get the hell out of dodge.”

    Yep

    Spanish/Italian/French and above all German taxpayers are not going to cop working and paying taxes until around 65 whilst Greeks retire at around 56.

    The Greeks are voting for austerity in the form of higher taxes and lower pensions and more privatisation or Recession/Economic collapse.

    And politically the other EU leaders cant afford to subsidise their lifestyle anymore or face their own voter backlash.

  328. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:33 am

    Fran Barlow simply falls back onto the old Leftie envy of those who have looked after their own retirement.

    No, she realises that super rich retirees are scamming a shitload from taxpayers in super concessions, that ” those who have looked after their own retirement” shouldn’t be getting

  329. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:48 am

    “No, she realises that super rich retirees are scamming a shitload from taxpayers in super concessions….”

    She is advocating the end of all tax incentives to save into Super ( fucking real real dumb) plus other pension phase concessions which you are referring to which above certain levels I dont have a problem with …………………although I think a certain resident (who regularly posts here) residing on the banks of a certain river running thru a certain southern capital city might be slightly opposed to that sort of thing

  330. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:49 am

    I dont have a problem with applying some tax to them I mean

  331. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:50 am

    working and paying taxes until around 65 whilst Greeks retire at around 56.

    Not an entirely accurate portrayal is it wally?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:52 am

    Furore over ABC’s Q&A mishandled:
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2015/06/27/furore-over-abcs-qa-mishandled/14353272002045#.VY-hbybXenN

    …For News Corp – enthusiastic in its condemnation this week – it is about trying once more to shake Mark Scott from his leadership of the network. His competence is a sore for Rupert Murdoch’s company. His push into digital is unwanted competition. His network’s fair reporting is irksome balance.

    Scott leads the ABC well, a source of irritation to opponents. He erred this week in not defending Q&A – and, worse, in reportedly pulling an interview with Mallah to be aired after the incident. But his error pales alongside the indulgence of his critics, alongside the histrionic front pages and the government’s obscene attacks on the network’s independence…

  333. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 11:58 am

    She is advocating the end of all tax incentives to save into Super

    Yes wally, I don’t agree with her solution, I was more interested in her mea culpa.

    So however disingenuous and hypocritical the attacks on us were, the reality is that we failed in this case to mao our values to our conduct, instead becoming involved in a game of wonkish arbitrage on the fringes of an unjust system, rather than proposing a just solution, or even a path to one.

    The Greens played politics, and ruined an ongoing dialogue for more widespread changes.

    She is advocating the end of all tax incentives to save into Super ( fucking real real dumb)

    I AGREE!

    But, the current rules are abhorrent, especially for those at the bottom end.

  334. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:08 pm

    “Not an entirely accurate portrayal is it wally?”

    You will find that civil employees (a huge portion of the workforce) are entitled to a pension from 56. Private sector simply does not pay tax

  335. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:10 pm

    You will find that civil employees (a huge portion of the workforce) are entitled to a pension from 56.

    I don’t disagree with that statement, but I’ll follow the data on the outcome 😉

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/retirement-age-men

  336. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:11 pm

    If people refuse to pay income taxes then their GST must increase which is what the EU wants. Plus the Greeks have not delivered the reform they previously promised to get earlier bailouts.

    Lets see if someone kicks the can down the road again…………………..I hope not

  337. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:20 pm

    OK it seems to be consistently stated at 57 (part pension after 35 years in fulltime work) to full pension 61 which is much below Germany

  338. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:20 pm

    And your earlier Link supports that by the “explosion” in non employed after 61

  339. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 12:43 pm

    nd your earlier Link supports that by the “explosion” in non employed after 61

    You might have to be clearer on the link there, not sure what you are referring to

  340. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:02 pm

    Granted this is 5 years old but there seems to still be general confusion. However its still more generous in pension age and amount than other EU nations

    “Greek pensions are a thicket of confusion…………. but according to this conference paper, civil servants in Greece employed before 1992 can retire after 35 years service, if they have reached 58, and retire on 80% of their final basic salary. That certainly sounds a great deal more generous than similar civil service schemes in Germany, which seem to insist on 40 years of service, and set the pensions rates in the low 70% range of final basic salaries.”

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2010/02/greeces_generous_pensions

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:05 pm

    …For News Corp – enthusiastic in its condemnation this week – it is about trying once more to shake Mark Scott from his leadership of the network. His competence is a sore for Rupert Murdoch’s company. His push into digital is unwanted competition

    I clicked on the link to see the lunatic who wrote that garbage but it was an editorial.

    Andrew Bolt is correct. The ABC is too big. I uses taxpayers money for political purposes. The ABC is also destroying lefties rags like The Age and SMH.

  342. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:33 pm

    but there seems to still be general confusion.

    Which brings me back to my original point 😉

    Andrew Bolt is correct.

    I think I saw the spot where you went wrong there nIl

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:43 pm

    I have no problem with this person’s appearance on the program. Actually, I think there should be more of it.

    The problem with Zacky is not what he says but what he may do. He is a security risk. Although i notice that lefties are keen to ban people who have beliefs they do not like. I wonder if somebody with highly racist views would be allowed to speak by lefties?

  344. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:58 pm

    “Which brings me back to my original point ”

    Not really

    From your Wiki link when only 18% of your 60 to 64 year olds are still employed and you are a relatively poor nation you have a problem especially given the generosity of the pension amount itself

  345. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 1:59 pm

    He is a security risk

    How so? His issue with the authorities is a decade ago, and, back then, he was released back into society.

    Unless you know something I don’t.

    I just listened to kenny on a radio program, and the latest line seems to be that the abc ‘crafted’ the question for him.

    I wonder if somebody with highly racist views would be allowed to speak by lefties?

    bolt is still allowed to speak, and he’s a convicted racist.

  346. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:01 pm

    Not really

    then I guess we’ll agree to disagree. fer historical references

    “Not an entirely accurate portrayal is it wally?”

  347. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:02 pm

    I don’t have an active account for hte whole story, but I guess we get the drift 🙂

    Let it be known that the moment when Paul Kelly, the rooster of News Corp, became a goose was nine minutes and 55 seconds into last night’s episode of Q&A.

    By the end of the show he was less that than a chicken on the rotisserie, slowly turning in the heat.

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:03 pm

    …The ABC is also destroying lefties rags like The Age and SMH…

    History of conservative attacks on the ABC: rise and fall of the Christian State in US and Australia;
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/29th-june-2015/6581710

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:09 pm

  350. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:17 pm

    Wondering why #4Corners revelations aren’t all over news today?

    I’m totally at a loss AO. I’ll go and have a think about it and see if I can come up with something 😉

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:43 pm

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 2:59 pm

  353. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 3:24 pm

    Tony Abbott’s national security scare campaign hides the truth: he’s making a hash of the economy:
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-national-security-scare-campaign-hides-the-truth-hes-making-a-hash-of-the-economy-20150630-gi16ie.html

    …Am I the only person who isn’t cringing in fear, looking for a rock to hide under and hoping Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton will save us from the tide of terrorism surging towards our shores?

    As is their wont, the media are enthusiastically indulging our desire to dwell on all the gruesome details of a spate of terrorist acts in faraway countries of which we know little.

    But this seemingly innocent nosiness is leaving us with a quite exaggerated impression of the chances of our ever coming into contact with such an event.

    Apparently, all you have to do to be in mortal danger is attend the making of an ABC current affairs program. It’s a field day for any attention-seeking nut of Middle Eastern background.

    Would you say our Prime Minister is seeking to calm our overblown fears or is playing them for all he’s worth?

    Precisely. And I’ll tell you why. Because he’s discovered he’s not much chop at leadership – at inspiring us with a vision of a better future, at explaining and justifying necessary but unpopular measures – but he is good at running scare campaigns, to which the Aussie punter seems particularly susceptible.

    But, above all, because he wants to divert our attention from the hash he’s making of managing the economy…

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 3:33 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-national-security-scare-campaign-hides-the-truth-hes-making-a-hash-of-the-economy-20150630-gi16ie.html

    …” The death cult is coming to get us” The PM’s actual words. Never have I heard more ridiculous and childish language from an elected official in Australia in my life. I had to re read it to check it was actually said. Where is the condemnation? Its the sort of statement a parent would use to frighten a small child. Just embarrassing.
    Australians have fallen for this terrorism scare mongering nonsense hook line and sinker. And with the Murdoch press firmly in line, we are now even forbidden to discuss the issue, or risk being labeled traitors. Meanwhile the economy continues to slide into recession with these fools at the helm. When will the Government discuss actual matters of importance rather than spending a whole week attacking the ABC’s Q and A program?
    CommenterMrsydney Location Date and time June 30, 2015, 2:25PM…

  355. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:02 pm

    “Australians have fallen for this terrorism scare mongering nonsense hook line and sinker…..”

    Must say it makes a nice change from you Climate Change scare mongering pants wetters and your scare campaigns

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:09 pm

    Will The Mad Abbott turn back the boats from Greece?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Australians have fallen for this terrorism scare mongering nonsense hook line and sinker…..”

    Must say it makes a nice change from you Climate Change scare mongering pants wetters and your scare campaigns

    So Wally agrees with the terra scarin’ but not the science of CC … explains a lot …

    Love to be a fly on the wall when he “advises” — “clients” …

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:11 pm

    When will the Government discuss actual matters of importance like adults would rather than spending a whole week attacking the ABC’s Q and A program? like a bunch of spoilt and undisciplined children!

  358. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:13 pm

    Jeer Squad’s attitude to Islamic terrorism:

    Jeer Squad’s attitude to the Great Climate Scam:

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:18 pm

    SMH editor Goodsir’s animus to Mr Hockey has just cost his employer $200K! And enriched Smokin’ Joe by the same amount. Ain’t politics grand?

  360. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:29 pm

    Libertarians aren’t our allies in building a progressive Australia
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/libertarians-arent-our-allies-in-building-a-progressive-australia

    …Yet people like Leyonhjelm exemplify a form of business populism that, in parts of provincial Australia, thrives like lantana. Flat-taxing and Canberra-bashing, given to kooky theories, and committed above all to something called “development” – it’s a common philosophy among those who think that their stint in small to medium enterprise gives them unique insights and entitlements.

    It’s been on display for a long time, among white shoe Nationals, the rank and file of the IPA, and the letters page of the Australian. Leyonhjelm is a perfect exemplar of this bumptious tradition. Such an attitude can never be an ally of the Australian left, because it is what the Australian left exists to fight against…

    Joe Hockey’s defamation crown sits a little askew:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/30/joe-hockeys-defamation-crown-sits-a-little-askew

    …When ordinary citizens are defamed, their only option is to seek redress through the courts – if they can afford it, of course.

    Parliamentarians, by contrast, are powerful people with considerable resources and multiple rights of reply. Politicians can call a press conference to set the record straight. These days press conferences are even broadcast live. They can also make comprehensive statements to the parliament, where they are afforded the protection of privilege.

    This richness of alternative options tends to make politicians look a bit foolish when they front the courts to claim grave injury and hurt feelings.

    Winning the case against Fairfax absolutely makes Hockey look less foolish than the alternative scenario but, in my view, only marginally less foolish…

  361. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:35 pm

    “So Wally agrees with the terra scarin’ but not the science of CC…”

    The Scientific Evidence of Terrorism is quite rapidly accumulating in the form of the heads of innocent victims being spiked upon a front gate not to mention quite a few dozen tourists laying dead on a beach.

    I’d say that would make most sensible people become more security conscous. But I did say “sensible people”.

    Far more convincing than any campaign trying to convince us that Climate Change is actually gonna kill us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!………….which is what you clearly believe in.

  362. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:41 pm

    “Joe Hockey’s defamation crown sits a little askew”

    ROFLMAO………………….it must really annoy the Left that he won. Such a pathetic article

  363. Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2015 6:42 pm

    “This richness of alternative options tends to make politicians look a bit foolish when they front the courts to claim grave injury and hurt feelings.”

    Sounds like Thommo in his first shot at Fairfax…………………..LOL

  364. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 7:29 pm

  365. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2015 7:53 pm

    Jeer Squad’s attitude to Islamic terrorism:

    Data shows that we should be more afraid of domestic violence than tewwawists. I’ll go with the data

    Jeer Squad’s attitude to the Great Climate Scam:

    Data shows us that the world is warming at an unprecedented rate without any identifiable culprit (apart from the one). I’ll go with the data

    Do you see the pattern 😉

    Ain’t politics grand?<

    labor pollies should be able to bankrupt rupe overnight, just from his photoshopping excursions.

  366. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 30, 2015 9:33 pm

    Well, he was conflicted, partisan and not making a lot of sense on qanda, but freedom boy has found his free speech voice again. It’s gotta be hard being so owned!

    Joe Hockey Fairfax defamation case: Rights Commissioner says law reform needed
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-fairfax-defamation-case-rights-commissioner-says-law-reform-needed-20150630-gi1dps.html

    …Following the ruling, Mr Wilson, a vocal and consistent proponent of freedom-of-speech law reform in Australia who was appointed Human Rights Commissioner by Attorney-General George Brandis soon after the last election, said there should be a “limited role for defamation law”.

    “Free speech shouldn’t be restricted under defamation law simply because there is a general injury to a person’s reputation. The test should be set higher around explicit harm and material loss,” he said…

    …”Politicians are fair game and people should be able to speak freely,” one MP said.
    “I didn’t see much in the headline and I’ve seen worse things said about Joe. But he obviously took it very personally.”

    A second colleague said it was “not a good look for the Treasurer to pocket $200,000. Maybe he will put an extension on his house.”…

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2015 10:31 pm

    If politicians expect the same defamation laws as we plebs then perhaps Parliamentary Privilege should be repealed …

    Have yer cake and eat it … really is a Treasurer For Sale …

  368. June 30, 2015 10:42 pm

    “ROFLMAO………………….it must really annoy the Left that he won. Such a pathetic article”

    Yes. The rule-of-law is a subjective concept, apparently.

  369. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 7:25 am

    Morning all. Just thought I’d share with you my wake up theme for the day 🙂

    Don’t know why, but woke up with this in my head.

  370. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 7:34 am

    The rule-of-law is a subjective concept, apparently.

    subjective, or interpretive?

    …”Politicians are fair game and people should be able to speak freely,” one MP said.

    I don’t know about “fair game”. Nobody should be exempt from defamation, and I don’t think one person should have a different level set against them than others. Even the like of bolt should have the same rules applied to himself as to others. And, from what I have seen from the case, the ruling seems quite OK. I wasn’t aware of the “posters”, just the front pages etc. I love it that, while the posters without the story were defamation, if the story was with the posters, it wouldn’t be (or something along those lines).

    So, the story was accurate, but the posters had no context.

    Make of that what you will 😉

    But I see the libs policies are quite subjective.

    The Abbott government was examining options to change the tax treatment of superannuation up until Labor released its own policy proposals three weeks before the budget, a Treasury letter reveals.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/treasury-documents-reveal-cabinet-considered-super-changes-20150630-gi18wn#

    Of course, we will probably see headlines today that this was Labor fault for playing petty politics with super 😉

    Perhaps playing politics with policies might help explain this

  371. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 8:01 am

    Labor is keeping a tab too, under Hockey the deficit has quadrupled from $24.5 billion @ PEFO to $102 billion

    When are people going to stop believing numbers published by Treasury?? Nothing Swan predicted ever happened. Then lefties will say will PEFO is more accurate for some reason. Well to that argument i say you should look at the predictions of the 2010 PEFO.

    And anyway we will not have the results for Hockeys first budget until September.

  372. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 8:51 am

    If Swan wants to tweet 2013 PEFO forecasts as authoritative perhaps he should look at the 2010 PEFO predictions

    http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2010/PEFO-2010/Report/Fiscal-Outlook

    Click on economic outlook and unemployment was predicted to be 5% in 2013 and it was 5.8% when Labor lost office.

  373. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 9:12 am

    “Not an entirely accurate portrayal is it wally?”

    It seems it was an accurate portrayal………………….

    http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/12/04/75-of-greek-pensioners-enjoy-early-retirement/

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 9:52 am

    “Data shows that we should be more afraid of domestic violence than tewwawists. I’ll go with the data”

    What data? Data doesn’t predict the future.

  375. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 9:53 am

    If anyone should have sued the media, it should have been the labor govt during the hung parliament, the media was feral and defamatory every day. Gillard could have built a new house on payouts from defamation. Perhaps news corpse know that labor will just cop it on the chin, while the libs tend to have an easily shattered glass jaw. What it does prove is the real need for a federal ICAC, we need to know where political donations come and hold the parties to account for their corruption in office.

    This article is correct, why is there one rule for privilege and another for ordinary citizens trying to speak in the public domain?

    Why aren’t all Q&A’s sexist panelists put under the same scrutiny as Zaky Mallah?
    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-arent-all-qas-sexist-panelists-put-under-the-same-scrutiny-as-zaky-mallah-20150630-gi1e6v.html

    …Don’t get me wrong: Mallah’s tweet was disgusting. Nobody is denying that – whether you agree his use of the word ‘gangbang’ actually implies an incitement to rape or if it’s just crudely sexist and pornographic. But if you’re going to impose a rule, it needs to apply equally to all of the misogynists who think it’s OK to respond to ideological differences with offensive, sexist, violent language.

    If anything, those in positions of real power and influence should be scrutinised even more deeply, but our willingness to accept the excuse that the privileged speak in ‘metaphors’ means that they get a free pass to have their brand of hate speech heard, while voices on the margins are shut down…

  376. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:00 am

    Why aren’t all Q&A’s sexist panelists put under the same scrutiny as Zaky Mallah?

    Because Zacky was convicted for threatening violence.

    Perhaps news corpse know that labor will just cop it on the chin, while the libs tend to have an easily shattered glass jaw.

    You have a point there. A comment i heard is that whenever somebody now says something bad about Hockey, if he does not sue, people will think the accusation is true.

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:02 am

    …What data? Data doesn’t predict the future…

    That’s exactly what data does.

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:10 am

    Zaky was convicted of being a loudmouth teenager to an ASIO officer posing as a journalist.

    Entrapment I think they call it.

    Pretty sure that some of what I said as a teenager would have had me convicted in a court if words were considered deeds and officials were given impunity for any and all of their actions.

  379. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:21 am

    “Entrapment I think they call it.”

    So obviously you are also uncomfortable with Daniel Morecombe’s killer being in jail since he was also a “victim of entrapment” by the Police.

  380. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:21 am

    “That’s exactly what data does.”

    No people do. And really stupid people say really stupid things like “Data shows that we should be more afraid of domestic violence than tewwawists. I’ll go with the data

    In doing this Tom R hasn’t made an argument at all. In fact his pronouncement is a jumble of sneering idiocy and delusion.

  381. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:40 am

    …So obviously you are also uncomfortable with Daniel Morecombe’s killer being in jail since he was also a “victim of entrapment” by the Police…

    Didn’t he admit to murder to the undercover cop?

    I hardly see a verbal threat as in the same league, hotheaded teenagers say really stupid things all the time and they hardly ever carry them though. All they could get the kid on was making a threat to a protected person, which shows how desperate they were to get him on anything. If it was a white australian teenager rather than a muslim, I wonder if it would have ever gone to court.

  382. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:46 am

    No people do.

    On the basis of the data.

    If the data shows that 2 women are killed by their partner every 2 weeks, it is pretty predictive of the future.

    And really stupid people say really stupid things like “Data shows that we should be more afraid of domestic violence than tewwawists. I’ll go with the data”

    Lucky he didn’t say that to an ASIO officer 😉

  383. July 1, 2015 10:48 am
  384. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:51 am

    A BAIRD government front-bencher says Australia’s welfare system is putting the nation on a path to Greek-style financial ruin.

    IN an address at a Centre for Independent Studies event in Sydney, NSW Finance Minister Dominic Perrottet also linked Australia’s generous welfare entitlements to the breakdown of the traditional family.

    “Our current patterns of economic behaviour here in the west are simply unsustainable,” Mr Perrottet said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/minister-ties-welfare-to-economic-ruin/story-e6frfku9-1227423074702

    These people do live with the faeries … or underground with the trolls I’m not sure …

    $288,000 a year to ponce around making a twit of yourself …

    http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/web/common.nsf/cbe381f08171c2e8ca256fca007d6044/a79d39dff882be60ca257d260026029d/$FILE/LA%20Members%20Salaries%20and%20Allowances%20July%202014.pdf

    And then after you’ve done that … the latest you can pick up your pension – about $100,000 a year is at 55 (sounds familiar to a Mediterranean country?) …

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/retirement-is-just-super-for-departing-mps-wallets-20110107-19iti.html

    Parliamentary Perqs

    Negative Gearing

    Family Trusts

    See a pattern here?

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 10:54 am

    What data? Data doesn’t predict the future.

    Including terrorist hits … your point is?

  386. July 1, 2015 10:55 am

    blubbering”””Your obsession with comparing the LNP to the Nazis pretty much demonstrates””#history

    #nazis`work will set you free`

    #teabags`work is the best welfare`

    #equality IS equality, freedom IS freedom, welfare IS welfare

    #to jumble-in employment/work into cons against human rights or society needs seems to be being/been practiced by both.

    #maybe reb will confirm

    `work will set you straight` OR

    `work is the best equality` #bet.he.don`t

  387. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:05 am

    “On the basis of the data. “

    They interpret data. Trolls can be counted on to interpret data in particular way. Tom R is a master of it. While I take your point that women are more at risk of domestic violence than men, I agree with Tom R that he should be worried about it. It would not be the first time that a seriously annoying troll had their coffee laced with arsenic by their partner.

    And when it comes to domestic violence you seem to focus solely on women as victims. Mothers harming children not so much.

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:08 am

    Data is historic information but can be used to develop strategic and tactical planning – in fact that’s its prime purpose … and used extensively in business in planning for production, maintenance, OHS, resource acquirement, HRM needs, learning and development programs, expenditure, marketing and sales programs etc …

    And of course the military is an expert at turning data into action …

    What the data available for terrorist attacks compared to domestic violence attacks in Australia proves is that more resources should be allocated to domestic violence than ISIL in this country to protect Australian families …

    In fact his pronouncement is a jumble of sneering idiocy and delusion.

    D’ja reckon … and your comment above is what?

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:08 am

    “Including terrorist hits … your point is?”

    That is my point. The past incidence of terrorist attacks does not predict the future risk posed by terrorism.

  390. July 1, 2015 11:09 am

    saturday-paper”””The ABC is an institution in which the country places enormous trust. It ranks second only to the High Court. But it is also an institute that requires defending”””#via-ao

    #the tinfoil-hat brigade don`t investigate for themselves where the idols they worship rank tho, do they, blot, ipa, team-teabag, limited-news, just where do these fcukers rank, somewhere below `sewer` l reckon

  391. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:11 am

    “What the data available for terrorist attacks compared to domestic violence attacks in Australia proves is that more resources should be allocated to domestic violence than ISIL in this country to protect Australian families … “

    Again, the past does not predict the future. Terrorism is a different kind of threat to domestic violence and needs to be addressed in a different manner.

  392. July 1, 2015 11:18 am

    saturday-paper”””Mallah(#zaky) is abusive and unlikeable,(#agree) .. but that does not detract from the point he made during the program,(#meat.potatoes) .. one he is supported in by counterterrorism academics(#oops): .. that the government`s treatment of marginalised people in the community can serve to radicalise those people.(#predictable) .. When the government tells people they might be stripped of their citizenship at the behest of a minister, they are not making a case for inclusion.(#doh)””’#via-ao

  393. July 1, 2015 11:26 am

    #maybe reb will confirm
    `work will set you straight` OR
    `work is the best equality` #bet.he.don`t

    Maybe if I had a remote inkling as to what exactly it is you’re rambling on about I might be able to, but as I don’t I won’t.

    I’m not fluent in #bagzspeak.

  394. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:28 am

    Terrorism is a different kind of threat to domestic violence and needs to be addressed in a different manner.

    On the contrary, based on the stats, domestic [household] terror is more frightening for victims and happens much more frequently than an abstract perceived terror of what ‘might’ happen. Real victims vs imagined victims.

    One has reason based on data, for people to fear for their lives and little is done.

    The other has no reason to fear, based on data, and it is has seen unprecedented removal of civil liberties, security & political over reach & amplification of ‘possible’ threat.

    Executive overreach is a threat to our core values:
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/creeping-powers-of-executive-susceptible-to-political-expedience-20150630-gi1641.html

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:30 am

    Again, the past does not predict the future

    No, the present does.

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:33 am

    Well hello reb, nice to see you around these parts, what you been up to? 🙂

  397. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:37 am

    “….which shows how desperate they were to get him on anything

    And what about the rifle and the ammunition in his possession ?

    The Left and its continual all out defence of radical Islam

    Pathetic !

  398. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:39 am

    “….and the latest line seems to be that the abc ‘crafted’ the question for him.

    Errrr………………….do keep up. They have already admitted that last week.

  399. July 1, 2015 11:46 am

    Well hello reb, nice to see you around these parts, what you been up to?

    Hello Kitty.

    Thanks for asking… 🙂 I’ve been quite busy with work lately, which has been getting in the way of my blogging activity. Apart from that everything’s chugging along quite nicely… 🙂

  400. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:47 am

    Again, the past does not predict the future. Terrorism is a different kind of threat to domestic violence and needs to be addressed in a different manner.

    I didn’t say it did … did you read … “””Data is historic information but can be used to develop strategic and tactical planning “”” ?

    And is, BTW, useful as a predictive tool … in oh so many ways … especially in OH&S … police work and planning military operations …

    And don’t forget politics … see the table above kindly inserted above … data and trends thereof are a basic management tool … underestimate their value at your peril …

    The real “issue” is violence and how it can be reduced in our society whether it be terrorist (just what is a terrorist**), criminal (ie non-family), or domestic … and where resources could be more effectively deployed …

    **My father used to terrorise my mother and me …

    … just sayin’ …

  401. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:48 am

    And what about the rifle and the ammunition in his possession ?

    Was he convicted of that?

    Errrr………………….do keep up. They have already admitted that last week.

    err no, that is what freedom boy asserted and tony jones denied it, before the show moved on to the next guest.

    Zaky applied to go on the show in the normal way, he was accepted to ask a question and the question would have been vetted by the show, presumably to ensure no defamation or similar legal consequences. A lot different to the fibs trying to say that the ABC invited zaky to appear and crafted the question for him.

  402. July 1, 2015 11:48 am
  403. July 1, 2015 11:50 am

    when it comes to the eu the micro details don`t matter much now, while it started-off as a good idea, like all good ideas left in the hands of politicians, they rapidly devolve into an exercise of arse-fcuking themselves

    for the eu to work, the members `all` needed to be at an `alike` level of social-systems, biz-systems and govt-systems, common-sense should tell anybody that countries like uk, germany, belgum, france, that operate proper social-systems eg.national-health and enforce their tax-systems, then `merging` with basket-cases like greece or italy, where tax-dodging in the national sport, or govts collapse regularly, could only result in the whole eu-idea failing, it really IS that simple folks

  404. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 11:59 am

    **My father used to terrorise my mother and me …
    … just sayin’ …

    That’s what I’m saying, it still ‘feels’ the same to the victims doesn’t it TB?
    In fact I would say that it’s worse if you absolutely know you’re going to be terrorised and hammered tonight and there is going to be no protection for you, rather than thinking it ‘might’ happen at some unknown time and date and you have no idea if you will be a target.

    Apart from that everything’s chugging along quite nicely…

    Excellent to hear!

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:04 pm

    My point exactly, KL …

    And I’ve brought the subject up a couple of times before …

    Noice to hear everything’s “chugging along”, sreb 🙂

  406. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:09 pm

    Do you think barbara ramjan felt fear & terror?

  407. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:13 pm

    “…. tony jones denied it, before the show moved on to the next guest.””

    Actually I think you might be right for a change as it was in a now deleted Zakky tweet

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/28550215/mallah-met-with-abc-producers-prior-to-q-a/

  408. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:15 pm

  409. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:20 pm

    It seems it was an accurate portrayal………………….

    except, as I mentioned, “Three out of four public sector and Social Security Fund (IKA) pensioners

    Like anything, tell the whole story 😉

    It also doesn’t support your blanket statement, when you read the text.

    What data? Data doesn’t predict the future.

    The historical data. How many people have been killed by tewwawists in Australia this year? How many by domestic violence?

    That alone should give you pause.

    Today’s Essential Poll results.

    yea, but data doesn’t predict the future (he says with a jumble of sneering idiocy and delusion) 😉

    And I guess that [something] retention bill is for ……………… 😯

    Again, the past does not predict the future.

    I AGREE

    Informs is the better word

    Terrorism is a different kind of threat to domestic violence

    Exactly, and it works by getting the people on edge and afraid. Well done mista abbott, the worlds most successful tewwawist.

    I’m not fluent in #bagzspeak.

    neither is he

    .do keep up. They have already admitted that last week.

    I think you are getting “vetted” and “crafted” mixed up. They do it with all questions. They even did it with Julian Assange (someone with an unsavoury past in the minds of some rwdb’s when it suits). The difference then was, they didn’t tell Gillard he would be there or be asking that question, unlike this latest one.

  410. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:21 pm

  411. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:27 pm

    Poor old Greeks.

    They cant even but iPhone Apps from the Appstore due to the capital controls now in place.

    This is going to be very very ugly and once the Italians, Spanish etc sees what happens if Greece Grexits I’m betting they will be so scared shitless they wont even contemplate leaving the Euro

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/greek-debt-crisis-as-capital-controls-bite-it-could-get-very-ugly-20150630-gi23fd.html

  412. July 1, 2015 12:35 pm

    so armchair, would l be correct in assuming `dailylife` is a feminista outlet, l`m not disagreeing with the post, but there is a glaring omission, the zaky tweet aimed at miranda and other woman is omitting, the devine miss-m has been on qandaland (sometime)`after` the devine miss-m not merely tweeted, but on limited-news, wrote up `rodgering-gerbils` in a phobic post, not to mention all her other couched-bigotry against the usual teabags-targets. This seems to be one of those feminista-fails that l point out from time to time. l`m not sure `defending` a hate-spinner such as devine is going to value-add to the feminista brand if you see what l mean. (no not defending zaky gangbang tweet either, it`s not always one or the other)

  413. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:35 pm

    https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/zaky-mallah-and-the-bluster-and-bs-from-abbott-and-his-newscorp-drones,7861

    …The prime minister weighs in, the press secretaries get on the phones and, in a matter of moments, the Newscorpse drones have launched, ready to save the nation from one small man with a beard.

    So now the messenger and the message host must be obliterated.

    Why? Because Zaky Mallah was speaking truth to power and the powerful don’t like the truth.

    In order to stop the truth being spread further the powerful have to stop the truth being talked about…

    …The selective and confectionary nature of the current outrage is appallingly obvious to anyone who’s not a Libtard troll, Newscorpse cellar-dweller or rusted-on Abbottite.

    The second offensive method of shutting down uncomfortable questions that you won’t answer, is to launch another broadside at the ABC for simply doing its job. This is a tried and true method that works well because the ABC has been kicked so often that it is frightened and cowers in the corner just waiting for the next whipping and, well…

    Here it comes…

    Unfortunately, the ABC today is terrified of its own shadow and cannot grovel low enough, or quickly enough, to appease the bullying Abbott machine. So, to take advantage of the ABC’s weakness, the usual suspects line up to demand an inquiry.

    This works even better when #Newscorpse gets one of its handy superannuated Colonel Blimps to do it …

    Joke political donation laws hide half the story from voters
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/01/28/joke-political-donation-laws-hide-half-the-story-from-voters/

  414. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 12:45 pm

    “In order to stop the truth being spread further the powerful have to stop the truth being talked about…”

    So where has Zakky been censored ???????????????

    Even Tony Jones agreed they should not have allowed him the “platform”

    Zakky can and has tweeted plenty since then. In fact he’s deleted his own tweets

    You Lefties just cant let up on your bullshit free speech argument

  415. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:04 pm

    l`m not sure `defending` a hate-spinner such as devine is going to value-add to the feminista brand if you see what l mean. (no not defending zaky gangbang tweet either, it`s not always one or the other)

    If you noticed, I didn’t defend her [I never would, she’s pretty despicable] I’ve not said anything about the rape tweets if you care to check. You seem to think that I am looking at every single issue through a feminist prism when I don’t actually do that. I think the ‘feminista’ is is in your mind, not mine.I don’t devote my life to the cause other than being a female and observing life through my female eyes.

    The libs [and their murdoch mates] have trawled for those tweets as a way to get the public [& women] onside and to demonise zaky and the ABC . How many people knew about the tweets anyway? I didn’t, I didn’t even know about zaky! I’m guessing the only people who knew about them were devine & albrechsen and they are players themselves in the culture wars. Of course the ABC couldn’t defend the indefensible though. This was an example of the libs hypocrisy re feminism IMO.

  416. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:08 pm

    So where has Zakky been censored ???????????????

    I was going to say there is no point in arguing with the mentally deranged. But it is worse than that. Not to sure what to say next but there is almost nothing an ALP/Greens supporter says that i agree with. Not too sure why they are so dishonest. But they all tell nothing but falsehoods.

    We are in big trouble if Labor wins the next election.

  417. July 1, 2015 1:08 pm

    zaky charged and acquitted on some, did the crime and did the time on other/s

    blubbering”””bullshit free speech argument”””

    more blubbering”””Even Tony Jones agreed they should not have allowed him the platform””’

    #TJ and my abc lost their bottle is more to the point, if they had a set of nads they would have told limited-news trolls and teabag zombies including mr-talkbull that qandaland and my abc`s whole point and purpose is to give the public of all demographics a voice on the qandaland platform, something that doesn`t apply to state-media like north-korea, china or limited-news.

  418. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:14 pm

    So where has Zakky been censored ???????????????

    Do you think he’ll pop his head up again after that public hatefest? Which media outfit will let him tell his story without demonising him? Do you think qanda will ever have him on again?

    Even Tony Jones agreed they should not have allowed him the “platform”

    Tony jones has been forced to say that, he couldn’t defend the indefensible re the ‘rape tweets’. Libs using misogyny/rape as a political attack when it suits them. Usually they couldn’t be bothered about it and even practised it themselves with gillard. Cynical and hypocritical politics.

  419. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:19 pm

    Looks like we have lost $7B.

    http://www.australiaforum.com/information/money/australia-contributes-7-billion-to-imf-funding.html

    “The Australian government has today confirmed that a substantial AU$7 billion has been set aside as a contribution to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) European bailout fund. This is a significant loan to the IMF and is seen by many as worldwide governments coming together to ensure that the European debt problem does not become worse.

  420. July 1, 2015 1:27 pm

    correction”””l`m not sure (#dailylife)`defending` a hate-spinner such as devine..””

    #sorry armchair, l wasn`t trying to imply you only see thru a feminista prism etc, as l know full well you don`t

    #l was pointing at the prism teabag-media report thru, and the dailylife-post seems to be an example

    ao”””trawled for those tweets as a way to get the public [& women] onside and to demonise zaky and the ABC . How many people knew about the tweets anyway? I didn`t,”””

    #yeah l`m in the same boat armchair, my guess, if they `audited` everybody`s tweets, no fcuker would be allowed on

  421. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:30 pm

    “…Looks like we have lost $7B…”

    “The Australian government has today confirmed that a substantial AU$7 billion has been set aside as a contribution to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) European bailout fund…”

    Don’t you love how governments use taxpayer monies to prop up the ongoing failings of capitalism and then crow about how capitalism is wonderful for us?

    Who will benefit? Private banks of course and then the greedy bastards will carry on business as usual.

    Ain’t capitalism grand for some [the 1%]? Privatise the profits and socialise the losses!

  422. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:34 pm

    …#l was pointing at the prism teabag-media report thru, and the dailylife-post seems to be an example…

    Yes, suddenly everyone is distracted and the question zaky asked [and the spotlight on govt abuse of power] is forgotten.

  423. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:38 pm

    So where has Zakky been censored

    I’m not sure anyone has said he HAS been censored, it is that they WANT to censor him that is the issue.

    And the fact that the abc offered up an apology because one moron made their mp look like a bigger moron just means that the abc has been bullied and whipped into submission

  424. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:44 pm

    Don’t you love how governments use taxpayer monies to prop up the ongoing failings of capitalism and then crow about how capitalism is wonderful for us?

    I forgot to put a date on the link. It was in 2012. It was Wayne Swan who gave the IMF $7B.

  425. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:47 pm

    the question zaky asked [and the spotlight on govt abuse of power] is forgotten.

    Which is, in it’s way, a form of censorship.

    It is what this grubmint does all the time,and which is so easy with a press gallery so obsessed with “shiny”

  426. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:47 pm

    “I’ve not said anything about the rape tweets if you care to check.”

    Didn’t think so. The threats were against conservative women, after all.

    “This was an example of the libs hypocrisy re feminism IMO.”

    Ah yes, the stinking hypocrisy of the one-eyed partisan.

  427. Tom R permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:50 pm

    Meanwhile, the libs continue to attack the Unions, and protect their mates.

    If the governance structure of these institutions does not affect the performance of the funds, then there is no public policy question to be answered. What does that leave us, beyond favouritism for the banks and prejudice against unions?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/29/at-best-josh-frydenbergs-changes-to-industry-super-are-pointless-vandalism?CMP=share_btn_tw

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 1:58 pm

    Looks like we have lost $7B.

    Nah! YOUR government has …

    This is a significant loan to the IMF and is seen by many as worldwide governments coming together to ensure that the European debt problem does not become worse.

    Or just kicking the can down the road again … so taxpayers not only guarantee Australian Bank Robber Barons but now overseas ones too …

    What a great system this Central Bank BS is …

    I remind all to read “The Creature From Jekyll Island” (the creature is the US Fed Res – Jekyll Island is on the Potomac River where all the major bankers devised the scheme to protect the big banks in the US) …

    … all Reserve Banks are there for one thing and one thing only (including our very own RBA) – to protect the banks at the expense of the taxpayers when they stuff it up – ah la the GFC … when things are running again, nothing changes except the gouging of their clients …

    Pay that mortgage off and NEVER borrow from a lender – especially a big bank – again …

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 2:10 pm

    I forgot to put a date on the link. It was in 2012. It was Wayne Swan who gave the IMF $7B.

    Not too sure why they are so dishonest. But they all tell nothing but falsehoods.

    LOL! Owned.

    At least Kneel highlighted the problems with Uber Kapitalism … and deceit … JHockey gave $9 billion to the RBA – for no real reason at all …

    A reminder that the RBA is/has NOTHING to do with the government …

    PETER RYAN: Well Eleanor, Glenn Stevens said it was prudent for Mr Hockey to add that $8.8 billion to the RBA’s reserve fund and that the strength of the fund had been an issue of concern because reserves had been run down because of the high Australian dollar. And we’ll be talking about that shortly.

    Now Mr Stevens said the fund needed to be rebuilt to ensure the RBA remains strong, for example to withstand an economic shock where the RBA might need to guarantee the banking system.

    Mr Stevens confirmed he discussed bolstering the fund with Mr Hockey shortly after the election.

    But under questioning from the Labor MP Ed Husic, Glenn Stevens wouldn’t say who suggested the $8.8 billion figure, apart from saying Mr Hockey was “abreast” of the fund’s depletion.

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3913776.htm

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 2:11 pm

    Ah yes, the stinking hypocrisy of the one-eyed partisan.

    I’ll quote that … soon I suspect … 😉

  431. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 2:20 pm

    I forgot to put a date on the link.

    sure you did 🙄

    Just be honest and stop trying for your own little lib vs lab ‘gotchas’ all the time and you just might be taken half seriously.

    I don’t care whose govt it was.

  432. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 2:23 pm

    …Didn’t think so. The threats were against conservative women, after all…

    Rape has nothing to do with politics.

  433. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 2:24 pm

    Some more information on the $7B we may have wasted

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/national/a/13491350/govt-kicks-in-7b-for-euro-bailout/

    Australia’s $US7 billion ($A6.8 billion) contribution to the International Monetary Fund’s European bailout package will help stabilise any further deterioration in the region, says Treasurer Wayne Swan.

  434. July 1, 2015 3:00 pm

    Same could be said for Austraya…

  435. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 1, 2015 3:04 pm

    Open letter on the Border Force Act: ‘We challenge the department to prosecute’:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/01/open-letter-on-the-border-force-act-we-challenge-the-department-to-prosecute?CMP=soc_568

    …More than 40 current and former workers at Australia’s detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island challenge Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton to prosecute them under new secrecy laws for speaking out over human rights abuses…

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 3:14 pm

    At least Kneel highlighted the problems with Uber Kapitalism … and deceit … JHockey gave $9 billion to the RBA – for no real reason at all …

    Y’o callin’ me unsaved trash, Willis …!?

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 3:21 pm

    This government has made the most atrocious decisions I have ever seen in this country … with all the reports available … and a supposed budget deficit crisis … why oh why would you spend another $24 billion on a doomed project!

    And then expect the poorest Australians to pay the price …

    WITH the total program costing more than a trillion dollars, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters are the most expensive weapon in history.

    So, when a test pilot wrote a seething review of the pricey new stealth jet following a series of mock air battles in January, the US defence force would have been left scrambling for solutions.

    Especially since the defence force and its allies, including Australia, were banking on the JSF to replace its current fleet of fighter jets.

    Speaking to the media today, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he was not deterred by the report and stood by Australia’s decision to buy the fighter jets for our military.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/the-us-defence-force-has-discovered-its-f-35-program-is-a-trillion-dollar-blunder/story-fnpjxnlk-1227423586922

  438. July 1, 2015 3:44 pm

    medium-com”””The F-35 was flying `clean,` with no weapons in its bomb bay or under its wings and fuselage. The F-16, by contrast, was hauling two bulky underwing drop tanks, putting the older jet at an aerodynamic disadvantage.

    But the JSF`s advantage didn`t actually help in the end. The stealth fighter proved too sluggish to reliably defeat the F-16, even with the F-16 lugging extra fuel tanks. `Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement,` the pilot reported.”””’

    View story at Medium.com

    #heads-up teebz, small treasure-trove on flying trash-can

  439. July 1, 2015 4:02 pm

    limited-news”””Abbott said he was not deterred by the report and stood by Australia`s(#teams) decision to buy the fighter jets for our military.”””’

    #Yeah it`s no fcuking surprise mr-rabbit will `stand-by` his teams crap fcuking decision. Too bad teabag-media won`t ask him how many he is prepared to lose in battle, and is he aware a pilot will be lost at the same time too.

    #So bloody wonderful this dill decided to increase the number of junk-items to be purchased. #F35.what.a.con

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 4:26 pm

    JHockey gave $9 billion to the RBA – for no real reason at all …

    Well Hockey did give a reason. He said Swan had deleted the Reserve Bank funds by taking out dividends when the Bank asked Swan not to.

    And while the $9B adds to the last budget that Swan delivered it costs Australia nothing. It was just an accounting transaction. The Commonwealth borrowed the money from itself. My understanding is that the only way Australia will lose money is if the Reserve Bank spends that $9B on currency transactions and they make the wrong decision. I guess there is also a cost with the interest on the $9B borrowed.

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 4:34 pm

    #heads-up teebz, small treasure-trove on flying trash-can

    Check the comment before yours, tbagz

    Kneel, get the book, The Creature From Jekyll Island, and then come back and discuss the RBA …

    ‘Ere ya go …

    https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mTVaLiKsbu8wfSvr7ACQ&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=The+Creature+From+Jekyll+island

  442. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 4:36 pm

    “Too bad teabag-media won`t ask him how many he is prepared to lose in battle, and is he aware a pilot will be lost at the same time too. ”

    Teabagz the project has bipartisan support and US built aircraft very rarely engage in Top Gun like air battles these days.

  443. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 4:40 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-24/mckibbin-accuses-swan-of-economic-vandalism/5044474

    A former Reserve Bank board member has accused Wayne Swan, the man once judged the world’s greatest treasurer, of economic vandalism………….But Professor McKibbin said this was a “bizarre statement”.

    “Because when I was on the board 2011 – I finished July 2011 – we made a very large loss because of the very high Australian dollar,” he said.

    “The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion. The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

    “He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13.

    “That to me is economic vandalism. It wasn’t that he may not have been asked to put more money in, but he was certainly asked not to take money out.”

  444. Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2015 4:44 pm

    Just as I thought it looks like the author of that blog has a bit of an axe to grind.

    http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/david-axe-is-more-boring-than-ever.html

  445. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 5:20 pm

    TB wants the RAAF to fly things like this

  446. July 1, 2015 5:40 pm

    blubbers””Teabagz the project has bipartisan support””’

    #so both `teams` having crap ideas makes it `good` does it

    blubbers”””US built aircraft very rarely engage in Top Gun like air battles these days””’

    #teh-US built aircraft are not capable to engage in Top Gun like air battles these days .. #fix.debt.4.ya

  447. July 1, 2015 5:48 pm

    blubbers”””the author of that blog has a bit of an axe to grind”””’

    #so, we have a teabag shoot-out huh, blubbers infers `medium` is crap with his `blogspot` link

    #or has blubbering dumb-arse just wedged himself, after all, his limited-news idols referenced `medium`

    #show.me.the.teabag

  448. July 1, 2015 6:01 pm

    speaking of things that can`t perform .. what did blib do today

  449. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:03 pm

    ALL THIS IDIOT HAS TO DO IS CHANGE TWO FUCKING WORDS!

    Just who does The Mad Abbott REALLY represent! Certainly not the majority of Australians … stupid is as …

    TONY Abbott has kicked back against a cross-party push for new same-sex marriage laws to be brought before the Parliament next month.

    The Prime Minister today made clear the economy and national security were his priorities and that this could leave no room for marriage reform.

    He has raised the prospect of a Bill not being brought on for debate, or even discussed in the Coalition party rooms.

    However, that could lead to tension within the government parties with Mr Abbott siding with conservative backbenchers, some of whom almost caused a leadership spill last February.

    A spokesman for Mr Abbott today said a private member’s Bill would not be discussed in the joint party room unless it was to be voted on in the Parliament.

    “It is rare for a private member’s Bill to be voted on and any Bill would be subject to the usual process,” a spokesman for Mr Abbott said.

    “The Prime Minister’s position remains the same as it has always been and he supports the current policy that marriage is between a man and a woman.

    “The government’s priority is strong economic management and keeping Australians safe.”

    Now its really time for a change!

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!

  450. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:05 pm

    TB wants the RAAF to fly things like this

    Don’t be as childish as your Young Liberal supervisor …

  451. July 1, 2015 6:13 pm

    ””TWO FUCKING WORDS””

    #the teabags do grasp stupidity securely with both hands .. remember the john-w regime were prepared to bonfire plenty of cash to not say `one` word #sorry.day

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:14 pm

    Because when I was on the board 2011 – I finished July 2011 – we made a very large loss because of the very high Australian dollar,” he said.

    McKibbin is a fkn Liberal supporter via the Lowy Institute who may call themselves “independent” are right wing supporters …

    The RBA is independent of the governments and is there to support BANKS and prevent them failing! Its all about Uber Kapitalism …

    Any funds the RBA has should come from the BANKS!

    $$$$$$ or PEOPLE?

  453. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:27 pm

    TB wants the RAAF to fly things like this

    At least the SE5A was successful and could match the enemy … I’d prefer us to fly something that could match this …

    http://nationalinterest.org/files/styles/main_image_on_posts/public/main_images/pix3_112514.jpg?itok=53URztUF

    I’m more interested in …

    PEOPLE not $$$$$$!

  454. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:29 pm

    McKibbin is a fkn Liberal supporter via the Lowy Institute who may call themselves “independent” are right wing supporters

    Is what he said true or false??

  455. ABC Think Group permalink
    July 1, 2015 6:34 pm

    Vacant positions on the ABC Board

    Two non-executive Director positions on the ABC Board are currently being advertised by the government.

    The application period for the ABC Board positions closes on Friday 19 June 2015. This process is run by an independent Nomination Panel, appointed by the government.

  456. July 1, 2015 7:15 pm

    the cross-pollination with the teabag and the troll won`t be doing my abc any good .. l thought we had finally got rid of albrechtsen .. but no .. the fcukers back .. and she brought a friend

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 1, 2015 9:26 pm

    The ABC is a pathetic, inefficient, off shoot of the public service.

    Inviting a misogynist, hateful criminal on to the show just illustrates the desire to create headlines rather than report news.

    It’s the flip side of Alan Jones and Ray Hadley, but they don’t spruik their crap while sweating off the taxpayer.

    Just sell the ABC, have a float like Medibank and all the “Friends of the ABC” can own it and drive it into financial oblivion

    Perhaps keep RN for the bush, but ensure its actually a news service.

  458. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:49 am

    ‘Victory’ has an exciting new meaning after Hockey’s Fairfax defamation win
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/victory-has-an-exciting-new-meaning-after-hockeys-fairfax-defamation-win

    …The Sydney Morning Herald described it as a “partial” victory. From Hockey’s point of view it’s not even as good as that, when you consider he asked the federal court for more than $1m in damages. He’s certainly not been “overly vindicated”…

    When it comes to the costs of the case it’s probably a lot worse for the “successful” plaintiff. Since he lost the substantive part of the litigation about the defamatory meaning of the articles, and since most of the time at the trial was spent on that issue, Fairfax would be entitled to ask for a differential costs order.

    Hockey’s and Fairfax’s legal costs would be of the order approaching $1m each. Sydney media lawyer Graham Hryce points out that the court has a discretion to award costs to a losing party where that party has succeeded on key issues.

    Three-quarters of Hockey’s case failed and if there was a differential costs order in favour of those parts that Fairfax successfully defended, Hockey can say goodbye to his $200,000. It will be gobbled up in costs, plus more…

  459. July 2, 2015 8:04 am

    Good morning Teabags. lt` a beautiful morning to hand boo-of-melb his arse, with a working example provided by him.

    boo-of.melb””while sweating off the taxpayer””

    #well boo, my abc breakfastclaptrap reports, the pharma monsters are only paying 1% tax in Aust. (via-inquiry) And while a know-nothing like ya`self bleats like blot the anti-abc zombie-fodder, ya`might like to look into just how much bludging `pharma` are doing. Particularly when they are the same monsters trough-snouting on the `prescription`-fund too. #run #teabag #run

    +

    boo-of.melb””The ABC is a pathetic, inefficient,””’

    #got any evidence of that boo, no, thought not. ls it inefficient because my abc does a full scope of programming, science, investigative news, series.

    #Or is my abc just pathetic because it gives way too much air-time to know-nothing dumb-fcuk teabags like ya`self boo-of.melb

    #have.a.nice.day

  460. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 8:18 am

    The ABC is a pathetic, inefficient, off shoot of the public service.

    I AGREE. The sooner they get back to their charter, the better.

    Inviting a misogynist, hateful criminal on to the show just illustrates the desire to create headlines rather than report news.

    Is Assange a misogynist? Or are you talking about ciobo, who ruminates on the national broadcaster for the throat slitting of a sitting PM? Why was the ABC not forced to apologize then for allowing such a violent misogynist to have a platform?

    Just sell the ABC

    Which is precisely what they want. Just because “they” have run it down to shit, doesn’t mean it should go. It should get back to their charter. Although, I don’t see the problem with having Zaky on? I mean, the libs give platforms to misogynist, hateful politicians daily. Why should the fact that someone is an ex criminal be exempt?

    ‘Victory’ has an exciting new meaning after Hockey’s Fairfax defamation win

    I think you will find that, once you get to court, nobody is really a winner, except perhaps the lawyers 😉

    Like Unions, they are a necessary evil. It is what you get when two parties have left reason behind. imo

    As for the F-35’s, I read a comment (so no linkies) that the issue about dog fights was in relation to testing the plane with existing software, not hte software they are being equipped with, and they found it incompatable.

    A project like this will have many such “issues”, and, like hte subs, is ramped up to OUTRAGE level over every set back.

    My question is, why is yabot so forgiving of US (or other foreign) “setbacks” but is unforgiving, and quite vindictive, over similar here?

  461. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 9:00 am

    Well, they do say that charity begins at home

    The prime minister and some other Coalition politicians participating in the 2014 pollie pedal charity bike ride claimed almost $10,000 in flight and travel expenses around the event.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/02/mps-claim-almost-10000-in-travel-expenses-for-pollie-pedal-fundraiser?CMP=share_btn_tw

  462. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 2, 2015 9:01 am

    “‘Victory’ has an exciting new meaning after Hockey’s Fairfax defamation “

    The real take-away was that the editor of the SMH is a malicious prick with an axe to grind. He’d be right at home at their ABC.

  463. July 2, 2015 9:01 am

    tr””As for the F-35`s, .. forgiving of US (or other foreign) `setbacks` but is unforgiving, and quite vindictive, over similar here?”””

    #lt goes further than that tho team-cheerer, foreign-news (pbs?-france24?-on-sbs) reported ages ago that china had already built and improved the F35, when compared to teh-usa junk. #hackers

    #no matter how we slice it and dice it, Aust has been stooged and will more than likely end-up with some of the most expensive equipment ever built not fit for purpose.

    #lt also goes well beyond `this` team or `that` team as both teams are loaded with `yank-ophiles`, that are more in awe in being `favored-pets` instead of rabidly defending their own nations and peoples interest.

  464. July 2, 2015 9:07 am

    team-cheerer, l also heard a partial report that one of the ship-yards will be scrapped thanks to the national imbecile. l just didn`t catch whether it is a boltsville ship-yard or a canoe-state ship-yard, but which-ever one it is, will mean big numbers at the dole-office.

  465. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 9:14 am

    The real take-away was that the editor of the SMH is a malicious prick with an axe to grind. He’d be right at home at…. murdocracy

    Fixed it 😉

    From what I unnerstand noteam, it will be boltsville, although the canoes aren’t assured either, still hanging by a thread.

  466. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 9:42 am

    Three-quarters of Hockey’s case failed and if there was a differential costs order in favour of those parts that Fairfax successfully defended, Hockey can say goodbye to his $200,000. It will be gobbled up in costs, plus more…

    Wonder who actually paid Jhockey’s fees … him or us …

    I see one “law” for the multimillionaire pollies and one for the plebs is alive and well …

    Grease for the axles and sharpen the blades …

  467. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 10:02 am

    … him or us …

    I think in his eyes, him is us.

  468. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 10:13 am

    ” l just didn`t catch whether it is a boltsville ship-yard or a canoe-state ship-yard, but which-ever one it is, will mean big numbers at the dole-office.”

    Welcome to the Real World where entrenched past industrial practices still in place in Australian industry are having to compete with more flexible overseas workforces.

    Just as our service (banking, insurance, health) industries and less unionised agricultural industries will be winners in any FTAs the Unions will be losers simply because they have dealt themselves out of the game.

  469. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 2, 2015 10:20 am

    New word for the day, deep-junk

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/moodys-cuts-greek-rating-to-deep-junk/story-e6frg90f-1227424698886

    Moody’s has cut its credit rating for Greece to a deep-junk ‘Caa3’, warning it is now less likely that official creditors will support the country, whatever happens in Sunday’s referendum.

    The one-notch cut took Greece’s rating to just two steps above ‘default’, and came after both the expiration of the country’s European Union bailout program without a replacement on Tuesday, and Athens’ default on its debt to the International Monetary Fund.

  470. ABC Think Group permalink
    July 2, 2015 10:23 am

    The real take-away was that the editor of the SMH is a malicious prick with an axe to grind. He’d be right at home at their ABC.

    Heads must roll.

  471. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 11:21 am

  472. July 2, 2015 1:13 pm

    blubbers”””Australian industry are having to compete with more flexible overseas workforces”””#WRONG-in-most-cases

    #Australian industry are having to compete with off-shore slavery, do some research numb-nuts, electronics, manchester, footwear and clothing now all have slavery inputs.

  473. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 1:20 pm

    “Australian industry are having to compete with off-shore slavery”

    Perhaps some truth, however you still conveniently ignore the fact that excessive penalties and inflexibility widen the gap…………………………welcome to the Real World.

    Asian Slavery = Your Extinction

  474. July 2, 2015 2:00 pm

    blubbers”””Asian Slavery = Your Extinction”””

    #wrong again numb-nuts, try,

    #free-trade dumping = `our` extinction

    #you conveniently overlook that your boss/clients don`t quite have access to bi-lingual, university graduated `accountants` specialising in your industry .. Yet! .. With a live-in labor-hire style `work-prison` bidding against your company, which pays these uni-grad workers about 7K.pa.

    #You blubbers, are just `fortunate` you haven`t been free-traded away .. Yet!

  475. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:14 pm

    I was listening to my public service radio ABC today. There was a discussion about how there is no plan taking place for australia for a future without mining profits. There is no money being put into infrastructure projects and nothing being done to replace the mining industry losses. This lack of planning will be felt economically for decades to come.

  476. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:16 pm

    “You blubbers, are just `fortunate` you haven`t been free-traded away .. Yet!”

    I doubt that between now and my retirement I will lose too much sleep over that.

    And I further doubt that too many of my clients would be happy about outsourcing all their financial information to a 26 year old sitting in a sweltering office in the back streets of Mumbai.

    free-trade dumping = `our` extinction

    WRONG

    Free Trade Agreement = More Wealth creation for our services sector

  477. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:27 pm

    Giving a criminal a platform?

    blob:https%3A//vine.co/81270275-f8a5-458e-8eb6-dbe524ee7ba7

  478. July 2, 2015 2:44 pm

    blubbers”””doubt that too many of my clients would be happy about outsourcing all their financial information to””#delhi

    #too-late #think again numb-nuts

    #plenty of their financial data is already in india due to out-sourced back-office, call-centers and info-tech, which are all integtrated by the way.

  479. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:25 pm

    … conveniently ignore the fact that excessive penalties and inflexibility widen the gap ..

    … and you conveniently ignore the cost of living in this country … and the fact that wages and salaries have increased little in the last 10 years …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/wage-growth

    … what’s galling is that you’ve been to Indo China and know what conditions are like there … is that what you want for Australia …

    Your argument bears no basis in truth … simply LNP propaganda … and the trade union membership has nosedived … correct me if I’m wrong but around 16% last time I checked …

    https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=UN_DEN

    Perhaps we should control the hourly rate for tax consultants … what’s good for the gander, hey?

    Just as our service (banking, insurance, health) industries and less unionised

    What drivel …

    … some of the most unionised industries? Banking, insurance and health …

    Just sayin’ …

  480. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:00 pm

    “”… some of the most unionised industries? Banking, insurance and health …””

    Only at retail level.

    But you wouldn’t have a clue what the wholesale sectors of that industry do let alone the opportunities that are opening up.

    ” … is that what you want for Australia … ”

    Whre did I say that ?

    I’m just pointing out that the Real World is coming a knockin’ and its a very ugly Real World for some when they are forced to open the door

    “”Your argument bears no basis in truth …””

    ROFLMAO and wetting myself…………………………….if you want the truth ask someone in the Australian Textile Manufacturing Sector…………………..Oh that’s right it no longer exists………try the car sector………..but you better hurry…………..try aircraft maintenance……………but hury………………try aluminium manufacturing………….you better hurry…………try steel making……………..you better hurry

    “”Perhaps we should control the hourly rate for tax consultants …””

    I only charge what MY market can bear…………………………..LOL

  481. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:04 pm

    “”plenty of their financial data is already in india due to out-sourced back-office, call-centers and info-tech, which are all integtrated by the way.””

    WRONG. A bank account alone tells you fuck all about someone’s business let alone their tax returns and their tax structure or margins within any business they operate

  482. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:18 pm

    … and you conveniently ignore the cost of living in this country … and the fact that wages and salaries have increased little in the last 10 years …

    And that’s what I’m hearing from people everywhere, from low wage earners, private sector employees, public servants to the self employed, everything is going up except wages.
    And it’s the reason we’re in recession, people are scared, refusing to open their wallets for anything but essentials.

    The Abbott corp’s budget’s have done nothing to ease the anxiety, they escalated it!

  483. July 2, 2015 4:21 pm

    tb”””correct me if I`m wrong but around 16% last time I checked”””

    #nah you`re correct teebz, the `total-workforce` numbers l`ve heard have been 14,15,16% .. obviously sector by sector could be quite different `per-sector`

    #then we get this from the twit that `counts`

    blubbers”””Free Trade Agreement = More Wealth creation for our services sector”””’

    #For some reason the blubbering twit thinks the less things we make will mean we need more `counters` to count things.

    #HINT #Free Trade Agreement = China Wins Again

  484. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:25 pm

    “”And that’s what I’m hearing from people everywhere,””

    Really……..not what I’m hearing from builders, engineers, insurance brokers, dentists, doctors, surgeons in NSW

    I wonder why there is so much activity in NSW but Qld and Victoria are stagnant……….what might be the real reason for that.

    Perhaps Neil of Sydney might know ??????????????? ROFLMAO

  485. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:29 pm

    Teabag……………………………….I’m starting to simply scroll past your comments because trying to make sense of them is like trying to decipher this…………

    http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/t/the_rosetta_stone.aspx

  486. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:30 pm

  487. July 2, 2015 4:39 pm

    blubbers”””A bank account alone tells you fuck all about someone`s business let alone their tax returns and their tax structure or margins within any business they operate”””’

    #really? #you really want to say that? #as an accountant? #really?

    #well lets see numb-nuts, the account will show all income/deposits and all withdrawals/spends `and` transfers, say like to Luxombourge tax-haven and all associated credit card and account numbers. Not that l was giving a rats arse about the `structure` anyway, the `security` aspect by being off-shore is the killer. #fraud #hackers #crime-gangs

  488. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 5:02 pm

    “”#really? #you really want to say that? #as an accountant? #really? “”

    Yep……….I’ll stand by that statement any day. You cannot reconstruct a proper set of books using just a bank account.

    In order to get to the inner workings of any business you need a lot more than that.

  489. July 2, 2015 5:04 pm

    blubbers, the ship-yard is closing and you spout vague teabag talk-points and slogans like

    ””Free Trade Agreement = More Wealth creation for our services sector””

    #more `wealth creation` for who exactly.?

    #`our services sector` which sector specifically.? (waitresses are in a `service` too)

    #you then blather on about dentists, surgeons, quacks and insurance brokers, big fcuking deal, several hundred, possibly thousand jobs will go, metal-workers, welders, etc and your vague `our-sector` crap won`t be doing them any good

  490. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 5:06 pm

    So tell me Teabagz ………………?

    How are you going to know someone’s gross trading margin using just a bank account. Tell me the secret………….LOL

  491. July 2, 2015 5:09 pm

    blubbering”””You cannot reconstruct a proper set of books using just a bank account. In order to get to the inner workings of any business you need a lot more than that.””

    #who gives a flying fcuk

    #nothing to do with ship-yard closure

    #so you are fully fleeing huh

  492. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 5:11 pm

    “you then blather on about dentists, surgeons, quacks and insurance brokers, big fcuking deal, several hundred, possibly thousand jobs will go, metal-workers, welders, etc and your vague `our-sector` crap won`t be doing them any good”

    Now you are going into Denial………………LOL

    I’m just telling ya the Reality.

    You just want to push back against it.

    That’s right it wont do them any good unless they drop tools and retrain as plumbers, sparkies, plasterers, painters, chippies etc.

    There will be very little work for an inflexible union workforce in the future.

  493. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 5:24 pm

    “”#who gives a flying fcuk “”

    You and your fucking circular argument.

    That was the whole point.

    MY FUCKING CLIENTS GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT WHO HAS ACCESS

    Fuck me dead Teabagz

  494. July 2, 2015 5:46 pm

    blubbers””’You and your fucking circular argument””’

    #now who is fcuking denial

    #scroll-up numb-nuts

    #l simply asked team-cheerer if he knew which ship-yard got trashed

    #you bought in, and continually injected item s of nonsense into the thread (onions, clients, tax, structure, books, quacks, dentists) all nothing to do with the ship-yard/s

  495. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 5:51 pm

    My point is that the days of an inefficient/inflexible Australian unionised workforce holding the nation to ransom is fast coming to a close because its cheaper to build stuff offshore.

    So who give a flying ratz what shipyard it will be its only a matter of time anyway

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 6:11 pm

    MY FUCKING CLIENTS GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT WHO HAS ACCESS

    WHOOO-OOO … Me, me , me is getting flustered and shrill again …

    Just FYSI, Wally … there are more people in the world than YOUR FUCKING CLIENTS … and when they are gone … so are your YOUR FUCKING CLIENTS …

    Grease, grease the axles, sharpen the blades …

  497. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 6:19 pm

    My point is that the days of an inefficient/inflexible Australian unionised workforce holding the nation to ransom is fast coming to a close because its cheaper to build stuff offshore.

    So we’ll have the rich cunts holding the world to ransom instead … you just don’t get “balance” … none of you LNP dicks get it … its all take, take, take … destroy, destroy, destroy … own, own, own …

    Eventually Australian people will have enough … and the strikes are back again already I see …

    I really am sick of the dog, eat dog, approach to life from the government and its cronies …

    Prosperity With Integrity! For ALL!

  498. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 2, 2015 6:25 pm

    So we’ll have the rich cunts holding the world to ransom instead … you just don’t get “balance” … none of you LNP dicks get it … its all take, take, take … destroy, destroy, destroy … own, own, own …

    I think it was Union greed which destroyed our car industry. Bloated wages way above what people were being paid doing similar jobs.

  499. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 8:01 pm

    I think fucked in two words …

  500. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 2, 2015 8:09 pm

    In the 1970’s we used to make everything in Australia and now it is mostly all gone. Most of our manufacturing left under Labor govts.

    In 2007 we made 25% of cars in Australia. After 6 years of the worst govt in our history we made 10% of cars in Australia in 2013.

    Says everything about ALP govts.

  501. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 8:49 pm

    Says everything about ALP govts.

    And the part-time government today …

  502. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:08 am

    What’s to my personal troll? I rather liked having an obsessive dill invent a sock puppet specifically to incoherently reply to my comments

  503. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 7:00 am

    My point is that the days of an inefficient/inflexible Australian unionised workforce holding the nation to ransom is fast coming to a close because its cheaper to build stuff offshore.

    Sorry, but still no evidence that the workforce is either inefficient or inflexible. The automotive industry was one of hte most productive in Australia. Which means, they worked better than your ‘service’ industries. The difference is, they compete on a global scale against countries who protect their manufacturing industries. The other one is, didn’t Shorten just get slammed for apparently making his contracts too flexible?

    yabots sell out = Asian Slavery = Your Extinction

    Let’s see how happy your service industry is when cheap imported workers start taking over your job, and farmers realise that Chinese produce is being shipped in for cheaper than they can grow it because China doesn’t have the same health and safety regulations we have on food, and now don’t even need to comply with ours. And people will wonder why we end up eating Berries coated in human excrement on a daily basis.

    After one of the worst global economic crisis in our history we made 10% of cars in Australia in 2013.

    Fixed it fer ya 😉

  504. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 7:33 am

    Sorry, but still no evidence that the workforce is either inefficient or inflexible.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/absenteeism-reflects-sick-organisation-20120206-i3o2z

    When the president and chief executive of Toyota Motor Corporation Australia, Max Yasuda , complained to The Australian Financial Review last week about high levels of absenteeism, he reignited the perennial debate about unplanned absences.

    Yasuda says as many as 30 per cent of employees in some part of the plant will take the day off as a “sickie” if a Friday work day follows a Thursday public holiday – as was the case with Australia Day recently.

  505. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 7:45 am

    Sorry, but still no evidence that the workforce is either inefficient or inflexible.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/car-makers-long-holiday-break-puts-extra-pressure-on-toyota-20131217-2zjad.html

    Workers at Toyota’s Melbourne plant will on Wednesday afternoon put down tools for 21 days – the longest holiday shutdown at any of the car maker’s 54 plants across the globe………..Elsewhere across the 28 countries where Toyota manufactures cars, a 10-day shutdown is the longest closure for Christmas.

    Management asked the workers if they could shutdown for 10 days which is more normal for Australia. The Union said no. Well bye bye Toyota.

  506. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 8:22 am

    Yasuda says as many as 30 per cent of employees in some part of the plant

    So, what’s that, 2%? ROFL

    which is more normal for Australia.

    Much more hilarities. I think you will find the 10 day shutdown wasn’t the breaker there. There were many other cuts the workers were being told to take.

    Like I said nils, you can select individual statements from a boss about an individual situation without any context, or, you can believe the figures that show that the automotive industry was one of the most productive in the country. Me, I’ll go with the data, again.

  507. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:55 am

    So, what’s that, 2%? ROFL

    If the boss made that comment your in trouble. Obviously it was in important areas otherwise he would not have commented.

    Much more hilarities. I think you will find the 10 day shutdown wasn’t the breaker there.

    Toyota exports to the Middle East. A 21 day shutdown really causes Toyota trouble.
    Your deluded if you think workplace practises had nothing to do with Toyota leaving.

  508. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 10:00 am

    Youre deluded if you think workplace practises had nothing to do with Toyota leaving.

    You’are deluded if you think they are the reason they did.

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