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July 2, 2015

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Hello and good morning.

Here is an open discussion thread where you can talk about anything you like.

I think I will go and see the new Terminator movie this weekend.

Brace yourselves for an in depth review…!

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  1. July 2, 2015 11:48 am

    You could be forgiven for thinking that Joe Hockey won his defamation case against Fairfax the other day, but apparently 75% of his case failed…

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/victory-has-an-exciting-new-meaning-after-hockeys-fairfax-defamation-win?CMP=share_btn_tw

  2. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:17 pm

    Yes reb, you would have to say it’s a small v victory when you sue for $1 mil and get $200,000 and 3/4 of your case [the written articles] fails!

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:29 pm

    The oz opinion page, worth a lengthy cut & paste, please scroll past if not interested in the jackson/lawler shenanigans.

    Moment of truth arrives for Jackson and Lawler
    THE AUSTRALIAN JULY 02, 2015 12:00AM

    Kathy Jackson and Michael Lawler may not qualify as famous but they are living the lifestyle of the very rich…

    …When a change of scenery is required — one can bear only so much of the NSW south coast — escape is found in the US, Europe or Mt Buller. Life is not all beer and skittles in the Jackson-Lawler realm. As The Australian has reported, vital questions — about conflicts of interest, allegations of misuse of funds and fitness to continue in an important public role — must be answered.

    Ms Jackson — the former nat­ional secretary of the Health Services Union who served as a whistleblower in drawing attention to the fraud of HSU rival Michael Williamson (now jailed) — is facing allegations in the Federal Court of misuse of $1.4 million of union funds. She has used every tactic and pursued multiple avenues to dismiss the HSU’s civil action. Ms Jackson has claimed to be suffering from mental stress, declared herself bankrupt and tried to transfer assets from herself to Mr Lawler, which would have resulted in them being out of reach of the HSU, which represents some of the nation’s lowest paid workers. To date, her justifications for lavish spending on retreats and hospitality are, in our view, risible. At the HSU coalface, stress is a build-up of bedpans, long hours, low pay and job insecurity. The one-time union leader is also trying to avoid appearing before the royal commission into union governance and corruption.

    We consider the case of Mr Lawler, a public office holder — vice-president of the Fair Work Commission, with the status of a federal court judge — to be even more perverse. He is earning an annual salary of $435,000, yet has had eight months of sick leave since June last year. In court documents, Mr Lawler has alleged he was subject to attacks from within Fair Work. His relationship with Ms Jackson and extended sick leave have become a controversial subject. He claims to have become “quite debilitated by my own mental health difficulties”. But that has not stopped Mr Lawler from engaging in a range of legal and financial activities. While on sick leave, he has been involved in several property transactions. As has been apparent in recent court proceedings, Mr Lawler also is actively involved in running the defence for his de facto wife in her legal matter with the HSU. We have also learned of allegations he has offered to work on outside legal cases.

    Sick leave aside, as a Fair Work commissioner Mr Lawler is supposed to be a guardian of the workplace relations system. How can he possibly defend someone accused of ripping off workers and breaking industrial law? In good conscience, how can he be involved in shifting assets belonging to Ms Jackson when those assets might be the subject of a plaintiff’s claim? Imagine if a Supreme Court judge excused themselves to, effectively, represent a defendant in a trial, or if they agreed to have the assets of the accused transferred into their name.

    Ms Jackson and Mr Lawler have insinuated themselves into the affairs of barrister David Rofe — who has advanced dementia and owns the home they live in — to the dismay of some of his associates. Ms Jackson may yet be a major beneficiary in his will; Mr Rofe’s wealth has been estimated at $30m.

    This state of affairs is a travesty. To salvage any remaining credibility, Ms Jackson must face her accusers in court and come clean at the royal commission. As a public official Mr Lawler’s duty is clear. He should get back to work or be removed from his post. In 2002 Tony Abbott, as a minister in the Howard government, appointed Mr Lawler to the FWC’s forerunner. Termination can be brought on by motions in both houses of parliament on the grounds of proven misconduct or physical or mental incapacity. The Prime Minister must act now to restore public confidence in our workplace relations machinery and to end an injustice on the public purse…

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:43 pm

    And the big defender of people in the pink batts industry, is not so interested in them now.

    No! Say it ain’t so, they was used by abbott for political purposes!

    …Ruined by Rudd, abandoned by Abbott: batts installers fight on:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ruined-by-rudd-abandoned-by-abbott-batts-installers-fight-on/story-fn59niix-1227424343261

    Small-business owners promised compensation by Tony Abbott after they were financially ruined in Kevin Rudd’s disastrous home-insulation program are accusing the government of betrayal and using them for political purposes.

    The design and workings of a new payment scheme — set up by Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane last month and closing in two weeks — has led to a breakdown in trust and relations ­between install­ers and the government.

    Action-group leader Peter Stewart told The Australian the government’s actions now were “at best comparable to the total disregard shown by the previous Labor government, but made worse by the complete betrayal of our good faith and trust that they now seem to have abused simply for political purposes’’.

    “Mr Abbott has often said he does not want himself or his government to be likened to Mr Rudd or the previous Labor government; at this point, I see little difference,” Mr Stewart said.

    Matthew Hannam, who was visited at his Brisbane factory and made promises by the then oppos­ition leader, Mr Abbott, and then environment spokesman Greg Hunt in August 2013, shortly before the federal election, said the design of the payment scheme was hopeless. He doubted he and others among the worst-affected would receive anything, despite losses of millions of dollars.

    “I now learn that none of my businesses are eligible for compensation,” Mr Hannam said. “There are dozens of family businesses just like mine that were ruine­d by the (home-­insulation program). We are now reliving the same sort of bureaucratic nonsense that got us into this position in the first place…

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:52 pm

    NO!

    Ruined by Rudd, abandoned by Abbott: batts installers fight on
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ruined-by-rudd-abandoned-by-abbott-batts-installers-fight-on/story-fn59niix-1227424343261

    …Small-business owners promised compensation by Tony Abbott after they were financially ruined in Kevin Rudd’s disastrous home-insulation program are accusing the government of betrayal and using them for political purposes…

    …Action-group leader Peter Stewart told The Australian the government’s actions now were “at best comparable to the total disregard shown by the previous Labor government, but made worse by the complete betrayal of our good faith and trust that they now seem to have abused simply for political purposes’’…

    “Mr Abbott has often said he does not want himself or his government to be likened to Mr Rudd or the previous Labor government; at this point, I see little difference,” Mr Stewart said….

    …“But the liquidators and the tax office, which were a large part of the grief that businesses went through, will get plenty.”…

    …Matthew Hannam, who was visited at his Brisbane factory and made promises by the then oppos­ition leader, Mr Abbott, and then environment spokesman Greg Hunt in August 2013, shortly before the federal election, said the design of the payment scheme was hopeless. He doubted he and others among the worst-affected would receive anything, despite losses of millions of dollars.

    “I now learn that none of my businesses are eligible for compensation,” Mr Hannam said. “There are dozens of family businesses just like mine that were ruine­d by the (home-­insulation program). We are now reliving the same sort of bureaucratic nonsense that got us into this position in the first place…

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:53 pm

    Oh, my apologies, i didn’t think I had posted the article and then edited it. Accidental duplication, sorry.

  7. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 12:57 pm

    Nice to see how much publicly funding private businesses has ripped us off,

    Professors Connors and McMorrow said the extra 634,068 students that were educated in private schools in 2012 could have been educated in government schools for $7.42 billion in 2012 as opposed to the $9.47 billion spent by the state and federal governments on independent schools in that year.

    …….

    t also found the relatively wealthier intake of students into the non-government sector had the effect of leaving government schools with an increasing share of students with higher needs and extra costs.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/education-experts-say-2-billion-has-been-wasted-on-private-schools-20150630-gi0pwt

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 1:08 pm

    MPs claim almost $10,000 in travel expenses for Pollie Pedal fundraiser:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/02/mps-claim-almost-10000-in-travel-expenses-for-pollie-pedal-fundraiser

    I would think it charitable if they donated their travel expenses to the charities.

  9. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2015 1:10 pm

    I would think it charitable if they donated their travel expenses to the charities.

    I’d have thought it would be more charitable if they donated their own money rather than dipping further into the public till.

    Charity to them seems to be just another excuse to extract money from taxpayers.

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 1:15 pm

    106 yo people smuggler dies, world calls him a hero.

    ‘British Schindler’ Sir Nicholas Winton dies aged 106:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/01/british-schindler-sir-nicholas-winton-dies-aged-106

  11. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 1:24 pm

    “I think I will go and see the new Terminator movie this weekend.”

    Supposed to be a shocker !

    I’ll wait for its DVD release I think

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:05 pm

    The apple appears not to have fallen far from the tree.

    Eric Abetz And The Fascist Forester:
    ANOTHER HIGH-RANKING NAZI IN THE ABETZ FAMILY TREE
    http://tassieleaks.org.au/?p=200

    …Eric was the youngest of the Abetz children but interestingly, all appear to share a similar set of values. These include an apparent intolerance of homosexuals, and what could be termed ‘extreme fundamentalist’ views. In Eric’s case he is stridently ‘anti-green’ using the kind of vitriol against conservationists that reminds many of how the Nazis referred to minority groups. Eric’s older brother Peter is a Liberal politician and clergyman, holding a seat in the WA parliament. Another brother Walter is a retired clergyman noted for losing a battle to stop the ordination of gay ministers…

    The citizenship issue, it is unconstitutional for a dual national to hold parliamentary office. Abetz has been in parliament since 1994. He renounced his german citizenship in 2010. He sat in parliament for 16 years when he was not entitled to. Nothing was done about it – another of those ‘one law for us and one for them’ moments. He was not entitled to receive his salary for 16 years!

    [wiki]Eligibility to hold Senate office[edit]

    …On 30 July 2010, a Tasmanian resident, John Hawkins, lodged an objection to Abetz’s nomination for re-election, alleging that Abetz held dual citizenship of both his birthplace, Germany, and Australia.[18] The Australian Constitution prevents someone who is a citizen of a foreign country from holding Parliamentary office. Hawkins subsequently withdrew the petition to the High Court of Australia after receiving documentation of Abetz’s renunciation of his German citizenship on 9 March 2010. The Tasmanian Times published a series of articles in the lead up to this matter. The High Court never heard the claim.[19]…

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 2:33 pm

    Silk Road: undercover DEA agent turned BitCoin thief pleads guilty:
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/02/silk-road-undercover-dea-agent-turned-bitcoin-thief-pleads-guilty
    Carl M Force, part of federal taskforce that penetrated illicit online marketplace, ended up siphoning off more than $700,000 in digital currency for himself

  14. July 2, 2015 2:47 pm

    The reader reviews of Cory Bernardi’s book “”The Conservative Revolution” on Amazon are GOLD!

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Conservative-Revolution-Cory-Bernardi/dp/1922168963/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&ref_=aw_cr_t_books

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:07 pm

    hehe, did you read this lengthy review of corgi’s book reb
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A30EX2JY2UHTKK/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:08 pm

    Mike Baird is not the highest taxing premier for nothing.

    Can’t win with lefies. Costello was condemned for giving tax cuts. Basically nothing they do is without criticism. Abbott could cure Cancer and the comment would be he didn’t do it fast enough.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:35 pm

    I’ll wait for its DVD release I think …

    I’ll wait for the short, sharp and sincere film review on this thread … then I’ll have a quick look at IMDb … 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Abbott could cure Cancer and the comment would be he didn’t do it fast enough.

    Well all he has to do is resign!

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:39 pm

    From sreb’s Bernardi book link …

    So that’s really all there is to it: it’s overpriced, and inferior to competing products, so why would you buy it? The Kleenex and Scott products are much better value for money, more effective, and so much more pleasant to use.

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:41 pm

    Well all he has to do is resign!

    The cancer on society that is his government?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:45 pm

    Bernardi again … 556 reviews …

    ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ = 19%

    ⭐ = 76% LOL!

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 3:46 pm

    Let’s not give ’em to much of a clue, KL … 😉

  22. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:05 pm

    ‘Tis The Season For Middle And Upper-Class Entitlement:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/02/tis-season-middle-and-upper-class-entitlement#sthash.WdWIGWJr.dpuf

    The end of the financial year equals snout in the trough time for society’s self-proclaimed lifters. Stuart Rollo explains…

    …A sentiment endemic to the Australian middle and upper classes, fostered and peer-legitimated from one’s first tax return, it speaks to a deeply ingrained cognitive dissonance; ‘entitlement is bad, but we work hard and earned our money, so we are entitled to keep our own income from the government by all possible means, and, furthermore, we are savvy in our financial affairs, so we can claim whatever government subsidies are available, regardless of the underlying morality, while still being ‘lifters’ rather than ‘leaners’’…

    Jailing Doctors And Teachers? Another Skirmish In Abbott’s War On Transparency:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/02/jailing-doctors-and-teachers-another-skirmish-abbotts-war-transparency#sthash.qlLVMtSV.dpuf

  23. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:10 pm

    “”Mike Baird is not the highest taxing premier for nothing. 900-plus govt fees & charges went up yesterday “”

    Hilarious………..perhaps he’s making up for all the Mining licences and leaseholds of Sydney properties that were corruptly given away by members of the ALP and the massive losses to the public purse

  24. July 2, 2015 4:10 pm

    75 of 80 people found the following review helpful
    1Thanks, Cory!
    BySavvas Dimitriouon January 6, 2014
    Format: Paperback
    This book convinced me to terminate my pregnancy on the off chance that I would raise a child that turned out like Cory Bernardi.

  25. July 2, 2015 4:12 pm

    As a writer he has mastered everything except language; as a thinker he can do everything except think and as a politician he is everything except articulate­. Once you’ve put this book down, you simply can’t pick it up again.

  26. July 2, 2015 4:13 pm

    Not a very good tourist guide

    ByJay G.on January 7, 2014

    Format: Paperback

    My husband and I were planning a trip to Australia for Mardi Gras in Sydney but after reading this book I think we’re going to North Korea on a cultural exchange (we play basketball a couple of times a year).

  27. July 2, 2015 4:14 pm

    Why were the fish people banished at the end?

  28. July 2, 2015 4:16 pm

    I thought this book was about jams and other preserves, 42 pages in I realised this is not the case.

  29. July 2, 2015 4:20 pm

    Once I had received this book I took my time to prepare for the read ahead by pouring a glass of my favorite cognac, took a seat In my favorite chair and used the introduction page to give paper cuts to my eyelids.

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:23 pm

    …Hilarious………..perhaps he’s making up for all the Mining licences and leaseholds of Sydney properties that were corruptly given away by members of the ALP and the massive losses to the public purse…

    Certainly shows the lies behind the ‘small govt, lower taxes’ claims of the fibs.

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:30 pm

    A great read, this man wrote a lengthy comment.

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R3LUZ9WFROKUPN/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1922168963#wasThisHelpful

    This book saved my marriage!
    by sam minge

    …With unthinking masculine instinct, I grabbed Bernardi’s book from the coffee table and smacked her across the face with it, hard as I could. Knocked her clean off the couch. Thankfully, Bernardi’s manifesto is in paperback form and comes in at a concise 176 pages, so the damage wasn’t too bad. Still, she had a nice bruise coming up around her left eye. I noticed Isaac peeping in from the hallway, wide-eyed with fear. “Go to your room,” I snarled.

    After a few moments, Helen stopped whimpering and looked up at me from the floor. “I’m… I’m sorry, darling” she said. “I’ll put a nice dress on and make you breakfast.”
    “You might want to do something about your face. I can’t take you to church looking like that.”
    She smiled wanly. “I’ll get the concealer.”…

  32. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:38 pm

    Good to see you can still joke about domestic violence then scream like a banshee the next minute about the PM and misogyny

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:39 pm

    THE FUTURE?

    Is this what happens when the 1% have ALL the money and the place is run by robots … and there are few paid jobs?

    And less tax consultants …

    >blockquote>The basic income idea may sound like a recipe for disaster, but it has been trialled with great success in other communities, most famously in a tiny farming town in Canada, 40 years ago.

    Much to everyone’s surprise, the people of Dauphin, Manitoba, thrived in almost every way during the groundbreaking experiment.

    Doctors visits and hospitalisations declined, mental health improved and more students completed high school. Fears that the guaranteed “Mincome” (minimum income) would make people lazy proved unfounded. The only people who significantly cut their working hours were students (meaning greater lifetime earnings) and new mothers.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/why-these-people-are-getting-1000-a-month-for-doing-nothing/story-fnu2pycd-1227425436716

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:39 pm

    Leaked Documents Confirm Restrictions On Manus Refugees And Reveal Disturbing Self-Harm Incident:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/01/leaked-documents-confirm-restrictions-manus-refugees-and-reveal-disturbing-self-harm#sthash.X7qrsehr.dpuf

    …The revelations come the same day as anti-whistleblower laws targeting detention centre workers come into effect. Max Chalmers reports.

    Leaked documents from immigration detention contractor Transfield Services have confirmed refugees on Manus island are being deprived of services for refusing to leave the centre, outlined disturbing new allegations of sexual assault and self-harm, and revealed the company monitors a range of social media users including popular musicians, journalists, and refugee lawyers.

    The documents were obtained by refugee activist Shane Bazzi from a Transfield insider, and have been seen by New Matilda…

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 4:43 pm

    Good to see you can still joke about domestic violence then scream like a banshee the next minute about the PM and misogyny

    Well spotted, Walter … you just passed the mid year assessment … its taken a decade but who cares? You can now recognise domestic violence …

    Now, we’ve got sexism and mysoginism next semester and we are all hoping you will master that … and I think gay marriage will be towards the end of this year too …

    Well done … 🙂

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2015 6:04 pm

    AUSTRALIA’S trade balance has languished in the red for the 14th straight month as the end of the mining investment boom takes its toll on the nation’s bottom line.

    THE deficit in May was $2.75 billion, after blowing out to $4.14 billion in April, the largest on record, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said on Thursday.

    The sharp fall in the deficit in May reflects the four per cent drop in imports and the one per cent rise in exports.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/trade-balance-in-deficit-in-may/story-e6frfkur-1227425016667

    Well, if Howard was responsible for the really, really good trade balances … who’s responsible for these shit figures?

    Just askin’ …

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:56 am

    If only the Greek government had install ceiling insulation in everyone’s house, then taken it out, if only they’d gone and build sheds in all the schools…

    Then they wouldn’t be in all this trouble.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 6:44 am

    Well, if Howard was responsible for the really, really good trade balances …

    I am not sure if the Howard govt had good trade balances when in power.Have you checked?

  39. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 7:14 am

    Costello was condemned for giving tax cuts.

    Just to be clear, he was condemned for leaving the budget in a structural deficit, you know, that thing you used to blame on Labor making up, but which hockey is currently blaming costello for 😆

    Sorry, we’re busy crucifying the Q&A

    Pretty much sums it up.

    ex crim says something that has a grain of truth in it on television, and the rwnj’s go ballistic, actual crim gives money to libs ……………… crickets.

    And people wonder why I get so fucked off with our meeja?

    Good to see you can still joke about domestic violence then scream like a banshee the next minute about the PM and misogyny

    hmmm, let me think. We have a misogynist as minster fer womens, and a domestic violence epidemic that is being tackled by … trying to remove funding and services to victims. 😯 Good thing I can’t draw lines.

  40. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:11 am

    The witch hunt gets hunted

    Labor frontbencher Brendan O’Connor has launched a blistering attack on the royal commission into trade unions less than a week before his party leader, Bill Shorten, is due to be questioned.

    O’Connor accused the royal commission’s officers of acting in a “sensational” manner, denying people natural justice and feeding unsubstantiated allegations to the media.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/02/labor-frontbencher-attacks-unions-inquiry-before-bill-shorten-appearance

  41. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:21 am

    Oh wow, this is terrible news.

    Adelaide Crows coach Phil Walsh has been stabbed to death and police say his son will be charged with murder.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-03/crows-coach-phil-walsh-allegedly-murdered-son-in-police-custody/6591832

  42. July 3, 2015 9:32 am
  43. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:37 am

    I see the BBC is firing a few people. Perhaps the solution to “Our ABC” can be found by turning it into a Pay TV channel much like Foxtel

    Lets see 40c per day multiplied by a combined audience of roughly 2M per day (10% of our entire population) = $800,000 per day x 365 days = $292M per year in funding.

    Then no one would complain about it.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/bbc-to-cut-over-1000-jobs-as-brits-trade-tvs-for-tablets-20150702-gi43qa.html

  44. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:38 am

  45. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:39 am

    “Oh wow, this is terrible news. ”

    Yep it is……………………..Ice crazed rampage is my early bet. I mean what sort of son picks an argument at what ?…………….1am in the morning…………?

  46. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:40 am

    Then no one would complain about it.

    I think you underestimate ltdnews ability to hold a grudge

  47. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:43 am

    it became shockingly evident that the show’s presenter Tony Jones and his staff had intentionally handed a soapbox to a disgusting and delusional misogynistic convicted criminal

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-this-q-of-fools-can-kiss-my-a/story-fni0cwl5-1227425822222

    I had no idea akers was a convicted criminal. Or perhaps I am misreading it? 😉

  48. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2015 9:45 am

    I mean what sort of son picks an argument at what ?

    family ties can also elicit the most extreme emotions

  49. July 3, 2015 9:49 am

    “”Ice crazed rampage is my early bet.””

    My initial thoughts too….

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 11:13 am

    If only the Greek government had install ceiling insulation in everyone’s house, then taken it out, if only they’d gone and build sheds in all the schools…
    Then they wouldn’t be in all this trouble.

    We’re in this trouble because of the poor economic choices made by this government.

    $20,000 write-downs for business being better?

    Labor didn’t discriminate with their fiscal stimulation, pretty sure that ‘tony’s tradies’/large business and their kids also benefited from pink batts and school halls and don’t forget the $900 that almost everyone got. Some moralisers hated the thought that ordinary people got any money to ‘waste’ on themselves and had their homes made more comfortable in 40.0 heat with pink batts.
    Did you notice that not many of ‘tony’s tradies’ will be able to avail themselves of the $20K because they won’t have that cash up front to spend so the treasurer’s gift will go mostly to big business because even though they have plenty of cash, they can never get enough of the taxpayer’s dough.

    I haven’t noticed you moralising about this govt and treasurer hockey’s atrocious first budget tomM, will school halls be better when the libs privatise all public schools? Did private schools get school halls? What about the secret TPP? What about removal of civil and human rights for civilians and criminalising the reporting of child abuse in detention centres for mandatory reporters? What about the creeping fascist state?

    There’s plenty to moralise about with this present government, there’s a lot happening behind the facade of ‘death cult death cult death cult’ and it’s not good.

    Perhaps renewables investment would be a wise choice when the mining industry is in downturn, you know, something that shows we are preparing for our future economic vision rather than holding back the flow and having inquiries into fkn wind turbines to prevent any innovation.

    Abbott and hockey are wasting these years.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 11:33 am

    Did you notice the cognitive dissonance of the liberal party’s religious mafia [abbott’s backers] on display with the call from abetz for ministers to resign if they don’t stick to party policy on SSM?

    At other times they all trumpet their ‘broad church’ and their main difference to labor as being allowed to cross the floor on issues of importance to them. In reality and practice, this ‘choice’ really doesn’t exist does it? And the brave ones who do are punished for dissent.

  52. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 11:56 am

    “……so the treasurer’s gift will go mostly to big business”

    So you now count a business with a turnover of less than $2M as big ?

    $2M is the cut off point Ms Anarchist

    Bloody Hell !

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 11:58 am

    The Undercurrent: Forget the TPP, does a secret global court spell the end of democracy?
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/jul/02/the-undercurrent-tpp-icsid-tisa-ttip-video

    …With a series of murky international trade agreements like the TPP being negotiated, will a secret court give corporations the power to erode the rights of nation states? The TPP includes an Investor State Dispute Settlement clause that allows a secret court (ICSID; International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes) with global reach to arbitrate disputes between multinationals and the countries they operate in, potentially forcing governments to change sovereign laws or pay compensation to companies if they lose a case. The Undercurrent shines a light on the issue and asks – is the TPP the end of democracy?…

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 12:03 pm

    $2M is the cut off point Ms Anarchist

    All we heard was it was great for ‘tony’s tradies’ how many tradies or subbies would have $2M behind them?

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 12:14 pm

    When will we see similar here? War on drugs is not working.

    Presidential Hopeful Jim Webb Hints At Support For Radical Drug Policy Reform:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/02/jim-webb-drug-legalization_n_7707638.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

    …Polling suggests the nation is ready for a more substantive and broad-minded conversation about drug policy. Surveys have repeatedly shown that Americans are fed up with what they see as an expensive and ineffective drug war, draconian sentencing laws and an irrational adherence to marijuana prohibition.

    And perhaps most importantly for Webb — or, indeed, for any candidate thinking of taking a bold stance on drug policy — a 2014 Pew poll found that two-thirds of Americans support offering treatment for people who use illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine, rather than trying to prosecute them…

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 12:19 pm

  57. July 3, 2015 12:22 pm

    Well, fuck.

    I went to the same school as Phil Walsh.

    Devastating news for his family, friends & the AFL in general; particularly AFC, at this juncture.

    I’m not shocked very often, but was when I woke up to this news.

  58. July 3, 2015 12:27 pm

    ” I mean what sort of son picks an argument at what ?…………….1am in the morning…………?”

    His son lived at home.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 12:37 pm

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 12:40 pm

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:06 pm

    I had no idea akers was a convicted criminal. Or perhaps I am misreading it?

    I just read the Ackackmans “report” … someone should sue it (yes, it!) for plagiarism … did it get paid for writing what everyone else wrote TWO WEEKS ago?

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:13 pm

    All we heard was it was great for ‘tony’s tradies’ how many tradies or subbies would have $2M behind them?

    So Wesfarmers will reap the main benefit – Officeworks, Bunnings and Coles … Woolworths who own Masters H/Ware … and then the Hardly Normals and Supercheap etc etc …

    And the sole traders, partnerships and small business spend $20,000 (with no guarantee that business will improve for them) and the sales figures jump for BIG businesses …

    … smoke and mirrors …

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:26 pm

    All we heard was it was great for ‘tony’s tradies’ how many tradies or subbies would have $2M behind them?

    I think Walrus said the cutoff point for the deduction was for those with turnover less than $2M. That means big business cannot access the deduction.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:31 pm

    Thick as, KL … don’t even try to explain …

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:39 pm

    Why not? I am interested in learning. The deduction according to Walrus is for business with a turnover up to $2M, which means small business. Westfarmers, Officeworks, Bunnings, Coles and Woolworths will not qualify.

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:42 pm

    Thick as, KL … don’t even try to explain …

    I know TB

    The places these wealthy tradies would be rushing to spend their $20,000 on [or multiples of $20K] would be small business eh neil?

    I haven’t seen many coffeemakers or photocopiers etc poking out of the back of the tradies utes 😉

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2015 1:46 pm

    Gerard Whately was just on ABC talking about Phil Walsh, says Phil was late to recognise that he spent all his time on footy and had very little balance in his life. He was being asked to delegate more as he couldn’t go on like he was.

    Perhaps a big toll on his family?

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:25 pm

    Perhaps a big toll on his family?

    I don’t follow AFL … I didn’t who Phil Walsh was until this morning …

    … but I do know that it is true that many parents and admittedly mostly fathers, spend too much of their lives focussed on earning money and not involved/enjoying family life …

    … the balance is so difficult …

    … for some its a choice, for most its survival …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:26 pm

    Just realised how contradictory that last sentence is … considering the topic ..

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:28 pm

    I suppose I shouldn’t ask this … but why a bandicoot, sreb?

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 2:31 pm

    Hypocrisy much?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-labor-mps-urged-to-reveal-union-money/story-e6frfku9-1227426833874

    This is going to bite the LNP on the arse big time … Springborg is cyborg …

  72. July 3, 2015 2:45 pm

    “”but why a bandicoot, sreb?””

    Why not, TB..?

    What have you got against bandicoots?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 3:09 pm

    Why not, TB..?

    No reason at all … it was a simple question …

    What have you got against bandicoots?

    Now your sounding like Wally … I like bandicoots … you assumed I didn’t like bandicoots … my old man hated the fkn things … for digging up his veges …

    Me? I like ’em …

    FMD, never ask a question around here, hey? 🙄

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 3:17 pm

    Meet the modern Robber Barons …

    HE IS said to be the most powerful man in NSW, the state’s “infrastructure tsar”.

    But the head of Infrastructure NSW, Nick Greiner, has cost taxpayers millions over the past 20 years because of entitlements given to former premiers who have served for at least four years.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/revealed-millions-of-dollars-worth-of-claims-made-by-former-premiers-20120110-1ptm5.html

    (Now multiply it by five states, two territories and a Federal government — then add the rest of the snouts in the trough …)

    Money for nothin’ …

    Now that ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it
    Lemme tell ya them guys ain’t dumb
    Maybe get a blister on your little finger
    Maybe get a blister on your
    … shiny arsed bum!

    (Apologies to Dire Straits)

  75. July 3, 2015 3:41 pm

    “you assumed I didn’t like bandicoots …”

    No….

    You brought it up in the first place…

    If I had posted a picture of a hedgehog you wouldn’t have said anything…

    But an innocent bandicoot and you just fly off the handle.

    Is it any wonder why the world is in such a terrible state.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 3:47 pm

    You brought it up in the first place…

    No I didn’t …

    Fuck the hedgehogs (I wouldn’t if I were you but …) …I never mentioned a fkn hedgehog you did … sheesh …

    I didn’t bring up bandicoots first either, you did, its your bloody photo … but you assumed I didn’t like them … and I do … a Wally or what?

    And who said the world is in such a terrible state … we’re still here! 🙂

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 3:59 pm

    RETIREMENT PLANNING

    Anyone planning for retirement looking for a “calculator” this new version from Sunsuper is the best I’ve ever come across in the public domain …

    https://www.sunsuper.com.au/retirement-forecaster/

  78. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:02 pm

    I was about to say late this morning that no one had posted anything that could be considered fundamentally and monumentally fucking stupid.

    But by the time I had returned from lunch TB had turned up

  79. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:03 pm

    “Fuck the hedgehogs (I wouldn’t if I were you but …) …I never mentioned a fkn hedgehog you did … sheesh … ”

    Were you getting your prescription of bitter and twisted pills refilled at the pharmacy this morning ?

  80. July 3, 2015 4:23 pm

    I only mentioned hedgehogs because of your palpable hatred of bandicoots (despite protesting otherwise, BUT now we all know how you really feel.

    Is there anything you don’t hate….??

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:29 pm

    Chuckle … I love bandicoots … what a pair of myopic old farts …

    Gawd its fkn hard work …

  82. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:30 pm

    I think he’s the type that would like gerbils

    Which one is TB ?

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:39 pm

    And what’s wrong with gerbils?

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:41 pm

    Compared to … (which one is Wally?)

  85. July 3, 2015 4:43 pm

    “”Which one is TB ?””

    Mrs Slocombe on the right…

  86. July 3, 2015 4:47 pm

    blubbers”””Perhaps the solution to “Our ABC” can be found by turning it into a Pay TV channel much like Foxtel”””

    #OR, Perhaps we can save my abc a few mill$ by no longer paying the rupert-cable `carrier-fee` and stop agitating ruperts teabag-cable viewers. l`ll join you and kneel in that one blubbers. See you ultimo.

    #That`ll show my abc `and` friends.

  87. July 3, 2015 4:56 pm

    What have you got against bandicoots?

    +

    Why discriminate against any type of coot, bandicoots, oldcoots, or any type fo coot. They all should be welcome.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:56 pm

    Do you recall me saying after the last election that The Mad Abbott is a wannabe Digger and expect him so be seen in the tank turrets, fighter cockpits and on the bridges of navy ships …

    … well today he sailed into Sydney Harbour on the bridge of a warship USS Blue Ridge… we’ve seen him in a cockpit now we need a tank …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Footnote: I have a USS Blue Ridge cap in my study … compliments of my son from his deployment to East Timor … not the aircraft carrier …

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 4:58 pm

    Why discriminate against any type of coot, bandicoots, oldcoots, or any type fo coot.

    I agree …

  90. July 3, 2015 5:22 pm

    armchair, while the left/right team claptrap still carries on, you may recall that amid the #burnt.batts bullshit, l had said state/s had abdicated and not policed their own biz-laws and safety-laws. Brace ya`self, my tradie connections across county (WA-NSW-VIC) are reporting that over the last several years, across the country, somewhere upward of 40,000 residences(all-types) have had inferior electrical cable installed in both existing and new residences. #serious.fire.hazard This hasn`t been in teabag-media as far as l know. #730reportland.consumer.alert

    Other inferior construction materials which are also fire hazards have been reported in teabag-media since one of syd?/melb? city tower/building went up in flames.

  91. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2015 5:27 pm

    Translation of Teabagz last comment above

  92. July 3, 2015 5:51 pm

    We could throw chewed green biro`s at scott:-)

  93. July 3, 2015 6:12 pm

    Missed this before, canoe-state is also reporting recall of flamable cable.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 6:46 pm

    tbagz there has been a recall on for some time now … but it does highlight the stupidity of playing at being a country but really being six states (and two controlled territories playing at being “independent”)

    When will we become a NATION with regard to health, OH&S, education, transport … the National Training System almost got there … but each sate has its own legislation – modelled on the original from Queensland …. but the Federal government needs to take control of these issues and have Federal “branches” in each state …

  95. July 3, 2015 7:17 pm

    The weekend’s coming.

  96. July 3, 2015 7:21 pm

  97. July 3, 2015 7:35 pm

    I’ll be going here next month. Probably send youse all a postcard of some sort.

    http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2015/sargent-portraits-of-artists-and-friends

  98. July 3, 2015 7:38 pm

    (I would have put that on the most recent arts thread, but can’t seem to find it.)

  99. July 3, 2015 7:40 pm

    “Translation of Teabagz last comment above”

    Haha. Hieroglyphics make just as much sense as anything that moron writes.

    #justsayin’

  100. July 3, 2015 7:57 pm

    teebz both gas and electric materials/equipment, testing and `work-prac` are regulated by federal and enacted in all states/terr`t`s. Now called as/nz, previously saa(aust-standards), l don`t know the specific `number` of the saa tho. Trouble is not `policed`, cheap dodgey(imported) cable with flamable coating that ignites under normal usage could be rejected if `actual` enforcement and inspecting was being carried out. But it`s not. Similar problems growing in ohs enforcement too. Both budgets and `inspector` numbers cut in some states/terr`t`s.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2015 8:13 pm

    Now called as/nz,
    AS/NZ Standards are not law — unless they are incorporated into legislation ie Regulations or Codes of Practice (and yes they are state – feds also have their own legislation – that’s the point )

    cable with flamable coating that ignites under normal usage could be rejected if `actual` enforcement and inspecting was being carried out. .

    Indeed and one of the MAJOR problems with the TPP!

  102. July 3, 2015 9:03 pm

    (I would have put that on the most recent arts thread, but can’t seem to find it.)

    I take it, that’s a not-so-fkn-subtle hint.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2015 12:05 am

    I’m disappointed that my personal troll has given up. It was quite a compliment to have someone invent a sock puppet specifically to write incoherently in response to my comments.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 1:17 am

    In which the pond indulges in a few sugar-flavoured Tony’s kisses to get the day off to a good start …
    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/

    …Truly every day at the pond is a trip into bizarro land, and it doesn’t get any more bizarre than this outing, which the reptiles at the lizard Oz bizarrely deemed an EXCLUSIVE:…

  105. July 4, 2015 8:01 am

    “”I’m disappointed that my personal troll has given up.””

    Don’t be sad that it’s ended, be happy that it happened.

  106. July 4, 2015 9:20 am

    Is it just me, or does it grate on anyone else when people habitually begin sentences with “So”?

  107. July 4, 2015 9:31 am

    It’s just you.

    So why do you find it so irritating?

  108. July 4, 2015 9:33 am

    What I find more irritating is the way in which Gen Y speak like this…

    So I was like …
    And she was like …
    And then I was like …
    And then she was like …
    And then I was like …
    And then she was like …

    etc etc…

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 9:41 am

    So what?

  110. July 4, 2015 10:00 am

    `so so` is how l feel about it Tinfoil`osy

    +

    sew, as our `national-sook` (eleventy) proved this week, we all know there is really no need for `18c`, really, what could happen

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148874/Baltimore-police-investigate-sign-posted-police-van-door-says-Enjoy-ride-cuz-sure-just-months-death-Freddie-Gray.html

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2015 10:08 am

    Is it just me, or does it grate on anyone else when people habitually begin sentences with “So”?

    Yes, yes, yes, ToSy …

    … I’ve been going to mention the same thing … noticed it on TV interviews just lately (mostly Yanks) … its like that other verbal disease “going forward” … or “like” … or “yes, no” …

  112. July 4, 2015 10:11 am

    Q: Why does it annoy you?

    A: So, I think the word ‘so’ at the start of a sentence is completely unnecessary. So, It’s probably an Americanism, and sounds slightly pretentious to my ear.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2015 10:21 am

    Yep, ToSY’s dead right … superfluous and irritating … especially from people who are introduced as having some intellectual, knowledgeable and/or professional information to impart articulately to the usual demographic that would watch programs such as Lateline …

  114. July 4, 2015 10:35 am

    loonpond”””be deeply sympathetic to Abbott’s plight and feel the necessity of pointing out the misunderstandings about Liberal party backbenchers. Many of them remain deeply homophobic and deeply attached to their long-standing policies confirming and supporting their homophobia”””via-ao

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/in-which-pond-shows-off-its-expertise.html

    #ha ha, it`s good to see that others like loonpond can see the teabags cluster around their own confirmation-bias, unfortunately teabag-media prefer to promote it instead of report it, and my abc prefer to be dragged along by rupert-themes and lack the nads to report this stuff. Good spotting by loonpond.

    loonpond”””Gay marriage from an Abbott government? You’d be better off herding cats, and damned if you’ll get any sense or help out of a herd of reptiles”””#sounds.familiar

  115. July 4, 2015 10:55 am

    moon-dog is quite good as ususal #zaky #qandaland

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 11:04 am

    So here are some news items via crikey

    Look out qld, you’ll be seeing a lot of abbott before the next election!

    Poll Bludger: can Abbott close polling gap before the election?:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/07/03/poll-bludger-can-abbott-close-polling-gap-before-the-election/

    …After a dismal start to the year, Tony Abbott now finds himself back within striking distance of victory thanks, in large part, to a slump in the Labor primary vote in New South Wales.

    However, his hopes for a second term remain imperilled by the weakness of the Coalition’s position in Queensland, where every one of the eight seats gained since Kevin Rudd’s statewide triumph of 2007 remains under serious threat…

    …With all the advantages of incumbency on his side, Abbott would nonetheless have reason to feel confident that he could close the gap over the course of an election campaign, whenever might that be.

    But merely closing the gap will only be sufficient if he can substantially lift his stocks in Queensland, where any swing of the pendulum can be relied on to do serious damage to the party caught on the wrong side of it…

    Rundle: Labor’s gay marriage obsession proves the ALP is done:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/07/03/rundle-labors-gay-marriage-obsession-proves-the-alp-is-done/

    …What’s surprising is the utter cowardice of the liberal mainstream in relation to this. Led by the Mad Monk, attended by Senator Erica and Cory BurnMeOhHarderHarder!i, the mainstream of the Liberal Party don’t have the guts to tell these remnant Savonarolas to fuck off — and if they don’t like it, quit and form their own party, and see where that gets them…

    …For the ALP… if same-sex marriage is your go-to political wedge, you are more sad and fucked up than we thought. Affordable housing? Student debt? Childcare? Parental leave? The commute? No? You remain a cossetted bunch of student pollies on six-figure salaries who have no idea of most people’s struggles? Your rightists are so indifferent that you’ll take whatever comes along, your leftists are such condescending do-gooders that you won’t focus on the lives of the working-middle class who should be your base, turning instead to the numerically insignificant poor? If same-sex marriage is all you’ve got, you’re not a party, you’re a support group for burnt-out student pollies with nothing to offer. Fuck off to super boards, homes on the coast and endless Chinese meals with Richo, and let someone else create a real progressive alternative.

    Think I’ve hit everyone now. Miltown? A popular tranquiliser in the ’50s. The entire ALP frontbench appears to be on it…

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 11:55 am

    So, who knew that both lib/lab lobbying firms are owned by the same company? And that it is the third party lobbyists that need to be exposed.

    Barton Deakin, the Coalition’s ‘evil twin’ lobby firm: MIKE SECCOMBE

    Hidden behind two of Australia’s biggest lobbying firms is one company and an endless list of political links.
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/07/04/barton-deakin-the-coalitions-evil-twin-lobby-firm/14359320002084#.VZculPmqqko

    …Geoffrey Watson, SC, whose work as counsel assisting ICAC has given him a close understanding of the way the business works, is much harsher. He sees the very word “lobbyist” as a euphemism, in many cases, for “scumbag crook”.

    “We seem to have thought the registration of lobbyists was one step to making them an acceptable part of the process. Like registering travel agencies, to give them a specious credibility.

    “But all you have to do to become a lobbyist is fill out a form. There’s no ethical check. We make a mistake in thinking lobbyists are an acceptable part of our democratic process.”…

    …The reality of their operation is that they are integral to the money-go-round of the electoral funding system, based on the offensive notion, Watson says, “that there is an implied freedom under our constitution that extends to allowing wealthy people to use their money to buy access”…

  118. July 4, 2015 12:03 pm

    crikey”””support group for burnt-out student pollies with nothing to offer”””

    #but the team-cheerer reckons blib and caucus will save us under the teabag-lite model, how come the nest of leftys at crikey don`t like the teabag-lite biz-plan

    #go.watermelon

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 12:18 pm

    So, has anyone else noticed the very american use of ‘god bless you all’ at every opportunity by this govt these days? Just this am bananaby joyce and abbott had a presser introducing an agriculture white paper. At the end of bananaby’s set, it was ‘god bless you’. wtf?

    A must read:

    Tony Abbott’s ABF and excessive use of higher force
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2015/07/04/tony-abbotts-abf-and-excessive-use-higher-force/14359320002069#.VZc9p_mqqko

    …The last thing the prime minister wanted to talk about on the first day of the new financial year was the economy…

    …There in the Great Hall of the parliament, Tony Abbott called on a higher being to safeguard the nation. Sounding more like an American president, or even a preacher man, this was his parting salutation to the members of the shiny new Australian Border Force (ABF): “May God bless you. May God bless your work. May God bless the country you are helping to protect and prosper.” Believers may have been impressed. Australians, however, are sceptical of anything that smacks of Bible bashing. Especially if it has a whiff of opportunism about it…

    …Roman Quaedvlieg, stuck to the script. Resplendent in his new uniform, he gave resonance to the prime minister’s spiel: “Our utopia, our country, is under constant threat.” A more hysterical warning would not have been out of place as German bombs rained down on London during the Blitz. Nor would the draconian new powers vested in the ABF. Like our spy agencies, its operations will be shrouded in secrecy. Transparency and accountability are always casualties in war, sometimes justifiably. But this federal government is taking it to extremes, and we’re not even at war…

  120. July 4, 2015 12:55 pm

    saturdaypaper”””the conclusion that what is needed is not just closer regulation of lobbyists, including in-house lobbyists, but electoral funding reform to severely limit political donations. And the establishment at a federal level of an equivalent to ICAC.

    The conservative parties are resistant to each of these reforms.

    The Greens support both.###

    Labor supports limited campaign finance reforms.

    Labor is split on a federal ICAC.

    Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus is apparently keen. Shadow Special Minister for State Gary Gray, who worked as a lobbyist after his stint as federal director of the Labor Party and before his entry to parliament, is opposed.

    Heaven knows why, particularly given Labor(#blib) looks these days so much like the `me`too`(#teabag.lite) party, too-timid(#no.ticker) to boldly differentiate itself from the conservative government.

    We can only assume someone is lobbying hard against it.”””

    #once again, the (non)choice will be upon us

  121. July 4, 2015 1:00 pm

    the more `detail` we get to see about our so-called `democracy`, the more it looks like a sick joke

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2015 1:47 pm

    And Wally, questioned my linking the Mad Abbott & The Acolytes with Adolf & The Cronies … its like reading a fkn horror novel … Apocalypse Now!

    What really pisses me off is that people are so complacent and there is still almost 50% of the country “supporting” this crap!

    At least some others are seeing it too …

  123. July 4, 2015 1:58 pm

    ao”””So, has anyone else noticed the very american use of”””

    #oh yes armchair, l have noticed the `war-footing` americanism-creep, both audio and visual, that has been polluting canberra for quite a while now. l have paid attention to it since the john-w regime days. Remember when george-w landed an aircraft on one of the ships, at least george-w could actually fly the plane. Next thing, we got john-w mimicking it, dressed in the same leather `fly-boy` jacket. Since then, we have had joolya droning `moving-forward`and `flexibilty`, blib spouting `security`, mr-rabbit loves his tradie-fluro-vest and `military-themed` (as teebz said above) photo-stunt-ops.

    #and lest we forget

    #death-cult.death-cult.death-cult

    which tends to have the mccarthy feel about it

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2015 1:58 pm

    What really pisses me off is that people are so complacent and there is still almost 50% of the country “supporting” this crap!

    And more than 50% of the country is supporting the party that produces nothing but debt and unemployment. Oh and also locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history.

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2015 2:03 pm

    Oh and also more than 50% of the country voted for Paul Keating when unemployment was at 11%

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2015 2:19 pm

    Oh and TB of Queensland more than 50% of the country supported this

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

    YOU voted for that TB of Queensland. What worries me is people like you who destroyed the lives of so many people.

  127. July 4, 2015 3:37 pm

    TB”””What really pisses me off is that people are so complacent and there is still almost 50% of the country `supporting` this crap!”””

    #You are wrong teebz. You are placing the `blame` largely wrongly. The average non-aligned garden-variety citizen/voter is quite `time-poor`. Sure there are some demographics that have the time and energy to research thru the white-noise, but most don`t. lnstead, the busy, tired, time-poor get drowned by uniforming `announcables`, slogans and bullshit that mainly go unchallenged by the embedded media. And that`s just my abc24, it is all down-hill from there with the networks and limited-news. l wouldn`t even blame the teabumpkin-voters of fnq for their ignorance when `mostly` they cannot be properly informed by so-called `news-media` and bombarded with bullshit by politicians.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2015 5:39 pm

    You are wrong teebz. You are placing the `blame` largely wrongly. The average non-aligned garden-variety citizen/voter is quite `time-poor`. Sure there are some demographics that have the time and energy to research thru the white-noise, but most don`t. lnstead, the busy, tired, time-poor get drowned by uniforming `announcables`, slogans and bullshit that mainly go unchallenged by the embedded media.

    tbagz … which planet do you think I live on? Do you think I’ve always been retired (or semi retired like Wally) … mate, I was married with a kid at 21 – I’ve mostly worked 12 hour days or more as a tradie, manager and consultant (the last five years up to 15 hour days – fly out on Thursday back on Tuesday week after week) after 45 fkn years I’d had enough … but I still get involved ffs schools and dickheads who don’t understand learning, dud managers fkn my kids about …companies/insurance/banks trying to rip me and my family off … and according to Wally and his LNP mates I should still be working … well, I am … :mrgreen:

    And still winning!

    And I like gerbils, bandicoots and hedgehogs … and birds I just love birds of all species 😉

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2015 7:48 pm

    What really pisses me off is that people are so complacent and there is still almost 50% of the country “supporting” this crap!

    And more than 50% of the country supported an ALP govt who denied the kids they had locked up schooling. That is until the Coalition was elected.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/children-christmas-island-attend-catholic-education-centre

    The immigration minister, Scott Morrison, announced on Friday the signing of a deal to provide full-time education services for detainee children, following long-running concerns about the adequacy of schooling available to young asylum seekers on the island…..“Services under Labor did not allow for detainee children on Christmas Island to attend school on a daily basis, contrary to Australian community standards

    And nobody cared about what went on in Labors detention centers until Abbott was elected.

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2015 9:37 pm

    I heard about this on the radio on my way to work today TB. Do you agree? Was the process hopelessly rigged?

    Was conscription a scam? Tim Fischer thinks so:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/was-conscription-a-scam-tim-fischer-thinks-so-20150529-ghbsqv.html

  131. July 5, 2015 10:14 am

    “Abbott’s human rights man racks up $77,000 in expenses”

    It’s a disgrace! Presumably, because they’re not mentioned in the article, the other commissioners are not reimbursed for their expenses by the taxpayer. That’s what I call real public service.

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2015 11:33 am

    I would be more interested in what Trigss is spending over and above her $400,000 salary.

  133. July 5, 2015 2:57 pm

    armchair #vietnam-lotto

    #older members of my family had friends(2-vets) that won the `lotto`, l`m not sure if they (2-vets) knew each other, but both reckoned the pollies didn`t put their sons `number` in the barrel, just the plebs

    #take that how you will, ie no evidence

    #however, can confirm Vet.1`s father-in-law had some teabag-influence and pulled strings to get him into a shiny-bum `admin` role, and he never left Aust

    #Vet.2, when he had to register for `lotto` he thought fcuk waiting around for `marbles` and enlisted. He reckoned more of the enlisted dude`s got more `safer` or/and `command` positions with army, the `grunts` were more at the `cannon-fodder` end of the scale from what he saw. Vet.2 was given `rank` well behind `front` in some type of support `division` which l forget now.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 3:52 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/marriage-equality-would-be-like-trying-to-make-a-diamond-into-a-square-barnaby-joyce-says/story-fncynjr2-1227429015164

    The deputy Nationals leader and Minister for Agriculture said a multi-party private members’ bill reportedly to be introduced next month, proposing to allow gay and lesbian couples to legally wed, shouldn’t proceed.

    Joyce also delivered a stinging message for advocates of marriage equality, saying: “Everybody doesn’t get everything they want.

    Just who DO politicians work for again?

    Keep it up … Elections Are Coming …

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2015 4:08 pm

    “Services under Labor did not allow for detainee children on Christmas Island to attend school on a daily basis, contrary to Australian community standards”

    The fact that after locking up more than 2,000 children the ALP/Greens did not give them any schooling i find shocking. It was not until Scott Morrison that the kids were allowed to go to school.

    Rudd/Gillard govt has the be the worst govt in our history. I cannot think of a good thing they did. It says also a lot about the people who voted for the govt that locked up more people than any govt in our history.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 4:24 pm

    So, they can have their court case but kathy doesn’t intend turning up for it. The laws for everybody else don’t apply to her apparently. Wonder how long her partner can hold off the judicial system for her.

    Kathy Jackson says she will refuse to appear in court to face HSU civil case:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/04/kathy-jackson-says-she-will-refuse-to-appear-in-court-to-face-hsu-civil-case

    …Former Health Services Union head Kathy Jackson says she has no intention of going to court to face a multimillion dollar lawsuit, despite a judge ordering the trial to go ahead…

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 4:38 pm

    …l`m not sure if they (2-vets) knew each other, but both reckoned the pollies didn`t put their sons `number` in the barrel, just the plebs…

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised teabagz and the fact that they exempted some people from service and allowed others to hide away in the reserves, plus the secret ballot is reason enough to never, ever allow another conscription.

    I hope tim fischer does manage to expose something, I think he owes it to the soldiers that died if he suspects the process was corrupted, unfair and unequal.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 4:46 pm

    “Everybody doesn’t get everything they want.

    Seems these pollies do!

    I think they get mixed up, perhaps we should remind them of who they are supposed to represent in this democracy. If they believe it’s the party, or even their own views, then we should get a people’s party organised pretty quickly.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 4:52 pm

    …If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its probably Tony Abbott waddling around a US Warship on the 3rd July 2015.

    The duck wit then said he was “comforted” by the US warships presence off the Australian coat…

  140. July 5, 2015 4:59 pm

    I’m not sure why people like Barnaby Joyce and Eric Abetz are attacked for speaking against gay marriage. The position they are arguing for is the one we’ve always had, the status quo if you like. Surely it’s up to the agents of change to convince them, not the other way round

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 5:02 pm

    I heard about this on the radio on my way to work today TB. Do you agree?

    The short answer … yes … but no-one can prove it.

    My own case is a classic based upon Fischer’s “argument”…

    In September 1967 I signed up for two years advanced trade courses – I was a motor mechanic with one year left of my five years trade training (in those days the last year did not entail any college so additional study took up that year).

    In June 1968 I registered for National Service. (As British I could have returned to England – but this was my families home.

    I disagreed with the war in Vietnam. But supported the troops and particularly national servicemen — certainly not the wrongful system.

    In the next ballot I was called up but because of my advanced training course I was given a deferment for two years to complete my course.

    In September 1968 I married my girlfriend of two years.

    In November 1968 I won Queensland’s New Faces and later appeared on Australia’s New Faces in Sydney and won the Encouragement Award (another four TV appearances didn’t hurt my budding singing career). I had a nice RSL circuit entertaining in the North of Brisbane.

    I was given a promotion to Service Advisor in my day job with much better pay and out of overalls!.

    My fortnightly earnings – $280 …

    The Minister and I had a baby girl in March 1969.

    I completed my course in late 1969 and informed the Dept of Labour & National Service that I was now married with a child (married men were not generally called up).

    I received an abrupt, two sentence, one paragraph reply that virtually said – “stiff shit” …

    I joined the Australian Regular Army as a Nasho in January 1970. Fortnightly pay – $80!

    Most of my recruit training platoon worked for the Post Master General PMG (telephone linesmen, telegraphists and other comms specialists) … three of us were motor mechanics, one was a station hand who had signed up because his brother was in Vietnam. (Get the picture re “specialists”?)

    Ten weeks basic training and then I was sent to the RAEME trade training centre … most courses there ran between six and 12 weeks … I was there three days … deemed to be trained enough. To this day I don’t know anyone who marched into RAEME Bandiana – and was posted out in three days.

    The Army did do the right thing by me and The Minister and posted me back to Brisbane where I ended up working on armoured vehicles (tanks, APCs, scout vehicles) at 1 Base Workshop …

    When I was discharged I went back to my employer … as a motor mechanic … it took six months before I was promoted again to Service Advisor … my singing career was virtually impossible to recover … although I did still work around the RSLs (I was not allowed to perform while I was a Nasho in uniform) … I suppose the irony was that I’d been to Normie Rowe’s farewell party (my band was a support act on his last show in Brisbane) poor old Normie’s career flagged pretty badly too …

    Please don’t misunderstand I’m proud to be a Nasho Digger and feel its helped me to earn my place as an Aussie …

    … my son served in RAEME for 12.5 years from apprentice to motor mech … 3 RAR Paras, Bougainville and East Timor … and as regulars here know – I proudly march alongside him on ANZAC Day …

    Footnote: Not one of my mates, colleagues from work, or those I knew in entertainment were called up for National Service … not one … in fact more than once people forgot I actually served …

    “Rigged”? I certainly have my suspicions … I was taught that nothing in business happens by coincidence …

    Oh, and BTW …

    I became an Australian Citizen in 1983 🙂

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 5:10 pm

    Kathy Jackson says she has no intention of going to court …

    Surely that’s contempt of court? You or I we’d be behind bars by now!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Surely it’s up to the agents of change to convince them, not the other way round

    Ya mean:

    Human rights.

    Equality.

    Other jurisdictions.

    Marriage is about love and respect not bonking and birthing.

    Gay people make excellent parents … just watch Birdcage.

    People were getting married long before the Romans nailed a Jewish bloke to a cross

    AND 68% of the Australian Federal government’s EMPLOYERS say “just do it!”

  143. July 5, 2015 5:27 pm

    I thought slavery was pretty cool too.

    Why do people always want to ruin our traditions?

  144. July 5, 2015 5:27 pm

    “Ya mean:”

    No, I don’t.

    I’ve heard all the arguments, and I’ve made my position clear: It should not be up to governments to decide who can get married.

    My point was about the demonisation of those arguing against. Surely such a momentous change can be discussed by respectful debate.

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2015 5:51 pm

    It sure is going well in Greece!

    What a model of thriving prosperity, illustrating the benefits of public to promote big government programs and reform

    I might have mentioned that I was went to a university in Athens for a semester just when PASOK was elected, over 30 years ago.

    How we were all thrilled at the change. How exciting it was.

    How wrong we all were.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2015 5:53 pm

    “illustrating the benefits of public debt…”

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:13 pm

    “illustrating the benefits of public debt…”

    As opposed to transferring it to private debt … to the banks … how’s yer credit card? 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToSY I had a little trouble with … No, I don’t.

    It should not be up to governments to decide who can get married.

    My point was about the demonisation of those arguing against. Surely such a momentous change can be discussed by respectful debate.

    Demonisation … very colloquial choice … who’s being demonised?

    I’m not sure why people like Barnaby Joyce and Eric Abetz are attacked for speaking against gay marriage.

    Or did you mean this?

    Maybe because of what THEY say?

    Do you call this “respectful debate” aimed at the majority of Australians?

    Joyce also delivered a stinging message for advocates of marriage equality, saying: “Everybody doesn’t get everything they want.

    Just sayin’

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:16 pm

    Yes we should immediately send Wayne Swan to Greece and he can get them to borrow more money and spend it on $900 cheques, roof insulation, school halls and renovations and solve Greece’s problem pronto.

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:17 pm

    Barnaby Joyce is not our father nor even a father figure … he is quite frankly a twat … difficult to have a “respectful debate” with a twat …

    As for Eric “Mein Fuhrer” Abetz … he’s not being demonised – he’s already in bed with satan …

    Anyway sreb is so much cleverer with sarcastic verbiage than I could ever aspire to …

    Why did we do away with hangings … or whippings … or firing squads … and who the fk gave women the right to vote anyway!

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:20 pm

    Yes we should immediately send Wayne Swan to Greece and he can get them to borrow more money and spend it on $900 cheques, roof insulation, school halls and renovations and solve Greece’s problem pronto.

    Costello? Maybe Greece has a spare $10 billion somewhere … Costello eventually found the $10 billion he lost …

    GUFFAW!

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:22 pm

    My credit card is fine TB, paid off each month, zero debt.

    The private debt of others is of concern but none of it is held in my name. It is only the government that holds any debt related to me

    Yep, if only the Greeks had put ceiling insulation into all the houses, they wouldn’t be in this strife.

  152. July 5, 2015 6:31 pm

    Tinfoil`osy””’such a momentous change can be discussed by respectful debate””’

    #Team-flat-earth should be mocked and ridiculed every time they open their collective stupid mouths to interfere in other peoples personal liberties.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:37 pm

    My credit card is fine TB, paid off each month, zero debt.

    Mine too never, ever paid interest (thanks to The Minister)

    Yep, if only the Greeks had put ceiling insulation into all the houses, they wouldn’t be in this strife.

    Oi! Cynicism is my modus operandi!

    The The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes have reduced senior/pensioner concessions by half according to Channel 7 News …

    Demonise ’em? … I hope the sneaky pricks burn in their Hell!

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:39 pm

    GUFFAW!

    Amazing what amuses some people but the end point of ALP/Greens policies is Greece.

    Costello paid off $96B of debt, started an $80B Future Fund and left $29B in the Kitty. He saved $205B in 11 years.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2015 6:54 pm

    I think it’s ok to ridicule people opposed to marriage reform. Like Barnaby and Eric.

    … also Julia. I wonder whether she is still so opposed to it…

    (a position that illustrated her political expediency at its worst)

  156. July 5, 2015 6:57 pm

    “”Surely such a momentous change””

    It’s two words fuckwit.

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2015 8:01 pm

    I hope the sneaky pricks burn in their Hell!

    I think that should happen to the people who did this.

    Services under Labor did not allow for detainee children on Christmas Island to attend school on a daily basis, contrary to Australian community standards

    The double standards of Labor supporters is amazing. Cruel and nasty somebody like AO or TB of Queensland would say if the Coalition locked up 2,000 kids and then did not allow them to go to school.

    Thank goodness for Scott Morrison who started schools for the kids in detention.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2015 8:32 pm

    Message for the Abbott government …

    Stop trying to control our lives and provide us the means to live it …

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 8:48 pm

    My point was about the demonisation of those arguing against. Surely such a momentous change can be discussed by respectful debate.

    Isn’t it those arguing against who are doing the demonising?

    It should not be up to governments to decide who can get married.

    I’d certainly rather have the govt than than the churches decide on marriage. It should be a legal, civil union for all and people can choose to have another religious ceremony if they like. I can’t see what marriage has to do with religion anyway,

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 8:57 pm

    …Surely it’s up to the agents of change to convince them, not the other way round…

    Isn’t 70% of the population wanting SSM enough to convince them?
    I think we should be telling them to get out of the way or get out of parliament. Perhaps they could form their own political party based on their personal religious views and see how many votes they get, rather than refusing to represent the wishes of their electorates and voters.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2015 10:00 pm

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    July 5, 2015 10:02 pm

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    July 5, 2015 10:05 pm

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    July 5, 2015 10:05 pm

  165. July 5, 2015 10:36 pm

    lt looks like qandaland will be much less shrill, and much more intelligent with the teabags removing themselves from my abc

    +

    #from http://t.co/PvaXTu60ij #

    Barnaby Joyce is the fourth member of Government to pull out of Q&A since the Zaky Mallah controversy.

    RELATED STORY: Report finds Q&A did investigate Zaky Mallah before appearance on program

    RELATED STORY: Malcolm Turnbull declines Q&A invitation

    Federal Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has pulled out of an appearance on the ABC’s Q&A program after an order from the Prime Minister.

    Mr Joyce was scheduled to appear on the program tomorrow night but notified the show’s producers this evening he would not be appearing.

    A spokesman for Mr Joyce said he pulled out of the program after the Prime Minister Tony Abbott decided no frontbencher would be allowed to take part.

    Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull is scheduled to appear on the show next week.

    More to come.

    First posted

    July 05, 2015 21:52:11

    TOP STORIES Barnaby Joyce pulls out of Q&A after PM issues frontbench ban: spokesman

  166. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:04 am

    What a corrupt grubmint we have. Labor NEED to raise this as high as they can, not for political reasons, but for democratic reasons. This is not only a gross failure of their responsibilities, but also a calculated attempt to hide it by lying to voters.

    We have the highest officers in the land publicly attempting to hide their own total failure on the one issue they are trying to tell us they are strong on.

    rime Minister Tony Abbott’s office knew Foreign Minister Julie Bishop had misled Parliament about Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis three days before the government eventually owned up to the mistake.

    The delay in correcting the parliamentary record until the end of a sitting fortnight meant the government faced no scrutiny in question time over its handling of the case.

    The newly released, heavily redacted documents show Mr Abbott’s office knew Ms Bishop had relied on false evidence to defuse Labor’s line of attack about why the letter from Monis to Attorney-General George Brandis had not been taken seriously.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sydney-siege-tony-abbotts-office-knew-julie-bishop-had-misled-parliament-three-days-before-correction-20150704-gi4mge

    We have yabot wandering around pretending to protect his newly frightened flock, but it has been exposed that they are not up to the task. Then again, someone with a tin foil hat might conclude that they are all too up to the task.

    Can this grubmint get any dumber?

    A Pom pretending to be an Aussie, pretending to be a Yank, pretending to be a pilot.

  167. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:13 am

    And the Carbon Price WAS working, the libs plan obviously isn’t (not that they care, we know)

    Electricity emissions have jumped since the repeal of the carbon tax, the Climate Council says.

    The council cites new data by consultants Pitt & Sherry, showing carbon dioxide emissions from the electricity grid went up 6.4m tonnes in the last financial year since the tax was axed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/05/carbon-tax-repeal-sparks-jump-in-australias-electricity-emissions?CMP=soc_568

  168. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:15 am

    Surely such a momentous change can be discussed by respectful debate.

    Have you seen who is doing the “debating”?

    When an entire political party bans itself from a show called Questions And Answers because of one Question they don’t like, “debate” is no longer on the table.

    The countdown is on for when the libs complain that QandA is not being represented enough by ‘their’ side so must be canned. (I know, they have been calling for that for years)

  169. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 9:00 am

    This is NOT a “prediction”

    Three-quarters of Australians believe domestic violence is as much or more of a threat than terrorism, new polling shows.

    Australian of the Year Rosie Batty said the results show governments need to reassess their priorities and allocate more funding to preventing and responding to domestic violence.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/domestic-violence-a-bigger-threat-than-terrorism-poll-shows-20150705-gi5fat.html

  170. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 9:43 am

    “And the Carbon Price WAS working,……..”

    Oh really……………how much did the temperature change since that was the tax’s purpose ?

    Link please…………….

  171. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 9:49 am

    how much did the temperature change since that was the tax’s purpose ?

    I’m sorry, where in the policy framework did the Carbon Price say it would directly change the temperature?

    Link please…………….

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:01 am

    Services under Labor did not allow for detainee children on Christmas Island to attend school on a daily basis, contrary to Australian community standards

    And locking up people is what we have to look forward to if the corrupt ALP gets back in.

    After condemning Howard for locking up kids, Howard then released them. The ALP gets in and locks up more kids than anyone on our history and the ALP supporters do not blush.

    It was not until Scott Morrison that the kids were even allowed to go to school.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:04 am

    I’m sorry, where in the policy framework did the Carbon Price say it would directly change the temperature?

    Link please…………….

    Careful, TR, that could be construed as demonising … 😉

    Stupid is …

  174. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:06 am

    It was not until Scott Morrison that the kids were even allowed to go to school.

    recognising the fear (squirt) of further deemonizink

    Link please…………….

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:24 am

    Link please…………….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/christmas-island-children-asylum-seekerswetting-bed-flashbacks/5620202

    The desperation is palpable … and the boredom of the children with no school, nothing to do,” Professor Triggs said……..There is one hope, according to Professor Triggs – the children will soon be able to go to school.

    Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:24 am

    What a hoot! Abbott imposes a fatwa on free speech throughout the country and the ABC/Q&A! Praetorian guards issue a fatwa on their own front bench. Government working for the mafia and parliament misled on security, not that you’ll see any of that in the ‘free & private’ media.

    [Kohler] Germany and the ECB must now rescue Greece
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/7/6/europe/germany-and-ecb-must-now-rescue-greece?subscriber=8a2529243633bf941f471d48696fb0a4b36585a5

    …Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis called the closure of the banks a week ago “terrorism”: “Why have they forced us to close the banks? To frighten people.”

    I thought they would be sufficiently frightened to vote ‘yes’, but it turns out that they were more angry and defiant than scared.

    …According to a report in Reuters on Friday, the IMF’s European members tried to block the report’s release.

    In summary, the report said that Greece’s debt was not sustainable and that deep debt relief was needed, along with significant new funding. The IMF blamed the Greeks for this — for not having done enough reform, sold enough assets or undertaken enough fiscal austerity.

    That would have both inflamed Greek opinion and bolstered the Government’s position that debt relief was needed, and probably tipped the referendum vote to ‘no’.

    The fact is that the IMF and eurozone forecasts for the Greek economy in 2012, on which the last bailout was based, were fictitious. In 2012, the IMF concluded that Greece’s debt was sustainable, as long as there were structural reforms and fiscal austerity.

    In fact the opposite occurred. Prices fell and the economy got into a debt deflationary spiral that increased Greece’s debt burden, rather than reduce it.

    The result was the election in January of a left-wing party — Syriza — promising to end austerity and seek debt relief…

  177. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:34 am

    Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children.

    Thanks nil

    So, this is the “partisan” Professor Triggs I take it, or the other one?

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:47 am

    Thanks nil

    If i was in your position i would be ashamed of what the govt you voted for did. But you show no shame at all. This from the same link

    A spokeswoman for the Immigration Minister says the decision to improve education facilities was made well before and independently of discussions with Professor Triggs.

    “It was made following the Minister’s visit to Christmas Island in November last year and was taken through the Cabinet process,” she said.

    Professor Triggs hopes the school will transform life within the camp, but says she wants more from the Federal Government.

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:49 am

    When Malcolm Turnbull makes excuses for bad journalism, democracy suffers
    By Tim Dunlop
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-02/dunlop-dont-make-excuses-for-bad-journalism/6587196

    …Just let that sink in: according to the actual Minister for Communications, a man who is often lauded for his reasonableness and intelligence, the non-ABC media are allowed to be as opinionated as they like. Only the ABC has a higher duty to objectivity.

    In all the fuss over Zaky Mallah’s appearance on Q&A last week, this, to me, seems just about the most extraordinary development.

    If the Minister really believes that, then the problem is not that he doesn’t understand media, but that he doesn’t understand democracy…

    The Government’s ‘allegiance’ law sends us back to the Middle Ages
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-02/bradley-allegiance-law-sends-us-back-to-the-middle-ages/6588594

    …One thing’s for sure: the Government’s legislative program on national security is not being driven by thought bubbles. This is deliberate, and it will change our nation irrevocably.

    I thought it was simply my birth right. It turns out that there’s no such thing. The Government is seeking to entrench the ancient legal fiction that, when I was born, I took on allegiance to my monarch, and the allegiance is what gives me the entitlement to live here. They’ve changed the identity of the beneficiary from the Queen to “Australia”, and that’s not just because they don’t want to remind us that we’re still a monarchy.

    …What’s happening here is very subtle. The Government is seeking to co-opt the historical anachronism that we are all subjects, not free persons…

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:59 am

    The only debate on Q&A is masturbate. Q&A is designed to show the intelligentsia at play, spurting their goodness everywhere. The token conservative is there only for the ritual purpose of being shamed, humiliated soaked in the precious bodily fluids of moralising lefty wankers.

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:02 am

    “Just let that sink in: according to the actual Minister for Communications, a man who is often lauded for his reasonableness and intelligence, the non-ABC media are allowed to be as opinionated as they like. Only the ABC has a higher duty to objectivity.”

    OK. It has sunk in. Publicly funded news and commentary should not be biased. What is your point, dumbass?

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:04 am

    …If i was in your position i would be ashamed of what the govt you voted for did. But you show no shame at all…

    If I was in your position I would be ashamed that the government you voted for, sees human suffering and torture at our hands as a political wedge, and actively defends child abuse [emotional, physical & sexual] to the point of making it illegal for it to be reported. So, you are ashamed that the poor wretches didn’t get education, I’m ashamed that they have to exist in an australian version of auschwitz while our racist population couldn’t care less.

  183. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:05 am

    “If the Minister really believes that, then the problem is not that he doesn’t understand media, but that he doesn’t understand democracy…”

    Oh I see……………………….so if we get rid of the ABC then we no longer have a democracy I suppose.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:19 am

    “our racist population couldn’t care less”

    Dumb comment.

    Not everyone is so wedded to the miserabilist view of the world that they spend every waking moment posturing and fulminating about the latest victim outrage.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:30 am

    The only debate on Q&A is masturbate. Q&A is designed to show the intelligentsia at play, spurting their goodness everywhere. The token conservative is there only for the ritual purpose of being shamed, humiliated soaked in the precious bodily fluids of moralising lefty wankers.

    ToSY, will chastise you for that comment, sb, as demonising … still if that’s what you think your entitled to – say it … providing everyone else is given the same privilege of free speech … of all people I would have thought you would actually understand that …

    Pity the ABC is censored by a government who constantly hides behind secrecy … and our right to know what a duly elected, supposedly democratic, government is actually doing in the name of the Australian people …

    … we are not children … as adults we can figure out who the fools are … most of us are pretty well educated in Australia not country bumpkins to be led by the nose by a bunch of wannabe Robber Barons …

    … close down communication from the government and take the consequences …

    OK. It has sunk in. Publicly funded news and commentary should not be biased. What is your point, dumbass?

    Your opinion is that the ABC is biased … not mine … and that makes it unbiased …

    Close down the ABC and the Liberals can deal with those consequences too …

    Like it or not Rupert’s Newscorpse is a right wing bullhorn … now that’s not biased that unbalanced …

    Wake Up Australia …

    ==========================================

    Oh I see……………………….so if we get rid of the ABC then we no longer have a democracy I suppose.

    You have the most convoluted comprehension, Walter …

    Democracy is about free speech … that doesn’t mean Newscorpse’ version … only.

    In fact it just dawned on me … no-one on the left of politics ahs called for Newscorpse to be denied its licence for baised reporting … but the shrill screams from the right for the demise of the ABC are deafening …

    Fascist mindset alright …

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:30 am

    I’m ashamed that they have to exist in an australian version of auschwitz while our racist population couldn’t care less.

    It was the ALP/Greens minority govt who locked up 2,000 kids and then did not provide any schooling for them. That is the govt you voted for.

    Where was Hanson-Young after having locked up these kids at least trying to get a school set up for them??

    It was not until Scott Morrision got in, that kids in detention had school to go to.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:30 am

    The point is, duty and responsibility to the people, not the owner.

    …So the idea that just because media companies are privately owned they are allowed to be “as opinionated as they like” is nonsense, and what’s more, the industry itself thinks it is nonsense…

    The licence and freedom to deliver news is a privilege, along with that privilege comes a responsibilty to be fair and accurate. That is for all press not just the ABC. Why do you think after the murdochs were shown to be a criminal outfit in the UK there was a big debate about them being fit and proper people to hold a media licence? Freedom of the press carries responsibilities to the citizens and journalists/editors have a duty to maintain the highest professional and ethical standards.

    http://www.presscouncil.org.au/uploads/52321/ufiles/GENERAL_PRINCIPLES_-_July_14.pdf

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:31 am

    Dumb comment.

    LOL! As opposed to your “learned” comment … chuckle …

  189. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:39 am

    “The licence and freedom to deliver news is a privilege, along with that privilege comes a responsibilty to be fair and accurate.”

    What a load of garbage. So freedom is now a privilege

    Anyone can open a newspaper. TV requires the use of public spectrum and thats why you need a licence.

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:53 am

    …What a load of garbage. So freedom is now a privilege…

    Ever heard of free speech? Funny how the cons are suddenly doing a screeching u-turn against the right of free speech that they spout endlessly whenever they want to be hating on others, and since their PM has issued the free speech fatwa!

  191. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:56 am

    “So freedom is now a privilege “

    You got it. That is how our new leftist overlords see things. You can have free speech but only if you exercise it “responsibly”. Which means that you can’t say anything that upsets the precious darlings or any of their pet victims.

  192. July 6, 2015 12:07 pm
  193. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 12:10 pm

    Which means that you can’t say anything that upsets the precious darlings or any of their pet victims.

    You’re talking about The Mad Abbott here of course … a dickhead sprouts on Q&A and actually asks a question – then a government Minister turns into a bovva boy and gets burned because he didn’t put the dickhead down like he thought he would … then the Prime “they’re coming to get us” Minister turns to fkn jelly … and his supporters along with him …

    ‘Cause he’s made it obvious that we now have to fight (again) for free speech in our own country … against each other …

    Gawd help us if ISIL ever do get here … they must be pissin’ themselves laughing right now …

    Build a fkn bridge … and get over it.

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 12:13 pm

    I loved the original and liking this the more I hear it.

    NAIDOC week

  195. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 12:36 pm

    Where’s the Terminator review ???????????????????????

  196. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 1:05 pm

    Where’s the Terminator review ?

    It was Terminated!

    But It’ll be back 😉

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 1:14 pm

    Barnaby Joyce banned from Q&A – what will Malcolm Turnbull do now?
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/06/barnaby-joyce-banned-from-qa-what-will-malcolm-turnbull-do-now

    …Before you rush with your lunch money to place a bet one way or the other, let’s be clear about what’s really going on with Q&A. The government, or more precisely the prime minister, has used the cover of a dispute with the program to pull Coalition MPs off the show.

    I am firmly of the view that this is a piece of media management dressed up as culture war…

    Me too!

  198. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 1:19 pm

    So freedom is now a privilege

    Anything you fight for is isn’t it?

    Anyone can open a newspaper.

    Well, money does help. But, providing a news service requires more, and outfits like ltdnews have access to ministers that is not granted to other outlets. With that access comes a responsibility to at least pretend to adhere to their own policies of bias and accuracy.

    ltdnews doesn't even try, but they like lecturing others on how it should operate.

  199. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 1:21 pm

    Me too!

    I AGREE! 🙂

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:07 pm

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:09 pm

  202. July 6, 2015 2:14 pm

    l agree team-cheerer. All the teabags `really` want is the `war` with my abc, which wastes air-time with denial and flat-out bullshit, instead of my abc being `investigative` and fact-finding.

  203. July 6, 2015 2:22 pm

    Where’s the Terminator review ???????????????????????

    Online now! 🙂

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:38 pm

    All the teabags `really` want is the `war` with my abc

    The ABC uses taxpayers money to support the ALP. All their presenters vote for the ALP. Is there anybody like Bolt or Akerman fronting a program on the ABC to provide some balance?

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:41 pm

    Is there anybody like Bolt or Akerman fronting a program on the ABC to provide some balance?

    GUFFFFFAW!

  206. July 6, 2015 2:50 pm

    tb”””Like it or not Rupert`s Newscorpse is a right wing bullhorn”””

    #parts of which are in their death-throes. The more shrill the limited-news zombie-herd get, the closer it is to another round of slash`n`burn.

    #No, the non-aligned (nor-`lefties`) don`t need to get shrill and demand `closing` of limited-news. Sections of limited-news are crumbling all under their own steam. Teh-Oz triumphs it has `halved` its losses to its share-holders from the 25-30ish mill$, TO 15ish mill$. The `stars` of the stable are the `terror` and the `hun` which do bring in profits since limited-films divorced limited-news.

    #But how much longer will share-holders be prepared to bonfire profits to keep ruperts-toy (teh-oz) which is also to the detriment of the other mast-heads in the stable.

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:55 pm

    GUFFFFFAW!

    Exactly. Who you vote for effects what questions you ask, what topics you cover, what guests you have on etc. Most presenters on the ABC vote Labor and use taxpayers money for political purposes.

    News LTD is much more balanced than the ABC.

  208. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 2:58 pm

    Is there anybody like Bolt or Akerman fronting a program on the ABC to provide some balance?

    ROFL

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:02 pm

    The ABC does have standards. Milne and Ackerman are persona non-grata at the ABC for saying unpleasant things about Julia Gillard. I remember both cases well. You could here the left shrieking the house down about free speech. Oh wait, silly me. They saved that for the wannabe terrorist gang-banger Zaky Mallah instead.

  210. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:08 pm

    News LTD is much more balanced than the ABC.

    Link…………….

  211. July 6, 2015 3:20 pm

    kneel””’News LTD is much more `balanced` than the ABC””

    #l will have to give you that one kneel.

    #The limited-news shrillness does `result` in a pretty `balanced` out-come in damaging one mast-head with another, actually more than any damage inflicted on my abc.

  212. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:33 pm

    You could here the left shrieking the house down about free speech.

    I think you meant “hear” 😉

    But, a commentator spreading constant smears on a public broadcaster is different from someone asking a question.

    I mean, I think asking what would you do now with these laws that you didn’t before they came in with a person who would be deported now is a fair question, don’t you.

    As is his reply to a very inflamed answer. it’s called having a conversation. It doesn’t matter who it is.

    Now, if he had come on and asked if there was truth to the rumour that abbott had sex with so and so or something similar, I could understand the outrage.

    Was qanda being called to be boycotted because of the Assange question to Gillard.

    I recall some indignation from some members because of the way it was sprung on here, but, ciobo knew the question was coming. He had his vile reply prepared. He wasn’t prepared for Zaky to then draw the same line many others have already drawn.

    That a divisive, insular policy is doing the work for daesh

  213. July 6, 2015 3:39 pm

    kneel””’Is there anybody like Bolt or Akerman fronting a program””’

    #we did try toolman on a certain `reportland` but had evict him for non-reporting behaviour

    #likewise, barrie had to bounce dear old piers for repeatedly breaking my abc`s charter .. and this was done with the full support of my abc`s teabag-board .. just ask albrectsen

    #and why would my abc want a non-performing imbecile like blot .. who can`t even convince his own zombie-herd to follow him behind the paywall

  214. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:44 pm

    #and why would my abc want a non-performing imbecile like blot

    Well, let’s remember, you used to have him on weekly, until gina bought him off them.

    I recall him leaving with the jab “we’ve won”

    Whose abc?

  215. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:44 pm

  216. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:48 pm

    “If Greece leaves the EU, the European project is over. If it leaves the euro and recovers, austerity is done for. ”

    Not yet.

    And the Europeans wont back down unless Greece keeps reforming itself. Otherwise its their good money after bad.

    The rest of the EU will not continue to pay for Greece’s bloated public sector or its generous welfare. The other EU pollies have their own taxpayers to ultimately answer to

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:50 pm

    As I recall, Fuckwit Farr and the Insiders crew loudly denied ever having heard the rumour and Barrie got all het up and righteous about it. But in fact Farr had actually written about the rumour previously. His pompous desire to moralise got the better of his memory.

  218. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:54 pm

    The rest of the EU will not continue to pay for Greece’s bloated public sector or its generous welfare. or it’s free riding corporations and rich individuals.

    Just for “balance” 😉

    But, as for debt. Not that I believe in not repaying debts but… who is without sin……..

    Piketty: My book recounts the history of income and wealth, including that of nations. What struck me while I was writing is that Germany is really the single best example of a country that, throughout its history, has never repaid its external debt. Neither after the First nor the Second World War.

    View story at Medium.com

    I also read that Ireland, Spain and .. (momentary loss of recall) won’t be happy should Greece not suffer more as they are (especially Spain)

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 3:57 pm

    As I recall akers went on to do nothing but spread another smear, after constant warnings about it.

  220. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:01 pm

    #likewise, barrie had to bounce dear old piers for repeatedly breaking my abc`s charter

    What SB said.

    Akerman just mentioned a rumour that was going around. Farr who writes for News Ltd denied he had ever heard about it but actually had written about it. Akerman got the boot for talking about a rumor he had heard about Gillard. Awfully sensitive about Labor PM’s is the ABC

  221. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:15 pm

    Who cares what farr said, it was akers who tried to (did) perpetuate ANOTHER unfounded smear on the sitting PM..As I said, had Zaky tried to do the same, there might be an argument. But, he simply asked a very legitimate question, which was answered abhorrently .

    Meanwhile, the noose tightens around more yabot lies.

    New emails show Prime Minister Tony Abbott may have known Parliament had been misled about the Sydney siege gunman three days before the government corrected the record.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-emails-show-tony-abbott-may-have-known-truth-about-man-haron-monis-letter-days-before-record-was-corrected-20150706-gi5ydo.html

    Of course, a defense of total ignorance is acceptable for this mob of ‘grown ups’

    It just shouldn’t be acceptable at this level of grubmint.

  222. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:20 pm

  223. Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:25 pm

    “(momentary loss of recall) won’t be happy should Greece not suffer more as they are (especially Spain)”

    Portugal makes up the four PIGS

    Probably not but they have imposed their austerity regimes and are now showing some signs of “life”.

    But Greeks promised plenty but delivered little and will always contribute little to the EU. Plus they lied to get into the EU in 2001

    “…….or it’s free riding corporations”

    Like which ones ? They barely have anything much in comparison with other EU countries.

  224. July 6, 2015 4:28 pm

    tr””you used to have him on weekly, until gina bought him off them””’

    #yes true team-cheerer, as a `go-to` teabag-imbecile under the `fake-balance` part of charter

    #NOT as a HOST as the zombie-herd want, remember how unhinged they all became when `paul` got the mediawatch host-gig

    +

    tr”’Whose abc?”’#you.really.need.to.ask.team.cheerer:-) #hint.big.bad.bagz.abc

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:38 pm

    it was akers who tried to (did) perpetuate ANOTHER unfounded smear on the sitting PM..As I said, had Zaky tried to do the same, there might be an argument

    Still trying to defend Zacky. It was not what he said that bothered people is was that he was a convicted person who had threatened violence.

    And what is wrong with a journalist mentioning rumors about the PM? Here is Akermans response

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/piers-akerman-hits-back-at-his-critics-following-the-abc-insiders-program/story-fni0xqrc-1226664662916

    Rubbish. The ABC’s producers had conservative Perth shock jock Howard Sattler’s repugnant interview with Prime Minister Julia Gillard listed as an item for Insider host Barrie Cassidy’s discussion to open up the question of whether she had been exposed to sexism during her career……What seems to have enraged the Left-wing blogosphere is that I said the Parliamentary press gallery had been asking the same sort of questions when Gillard and Mathieson’s relationship first came to light as Sattler had raised last week.

    And he got booted from the ABC for that.

  226. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:40 pm

    Greece’s main problem is that the hard workers packed up and moved to Melbourne, leaving the bludgers behind. Then the idiot leftist Papandreou massively expanded welfare without a clue how to pay for it. Just like Labor and the Greens want to do here.

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:42 pm

    Ours is not to reason why. After all it is their ABC.

  228. July 6, 2015 4:47 pm

    kneel””What SB said. .. Akerman just mentioned a rumour””’

    #You are still trying to roller-skate in an imbecile-herd .. stampede

    #both barrie `and` the `guests` were told NOT to repeat the `tim-gay` libel slur on-air due to `charter` .. dear old piers decided to push his luck .. barrie even tried to save the fool from himself .. but no .. piers went for a second try/slur .. by the way numb-skulls .. if piers had an ear-piece in, he was also being warned by production-crew too .. so suck it up teabags and stop bleating about piers, he shot himself in the head

  229. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 4:50 pm

    Like which ones ?

    Lots by the looks (without getting personal)

    In the last quarter of 2005, 49% of the companies inspected by the tax authorities were found to have committed tax offences,[2] while in January 2006 it fell to 41.6%.[2] A study by researchers from the University of Chicago concluded that tax evasion in 2009 by self-employed professionals alone in Greece (accountants, dentists, lawyers, doctors, personal tutors and independent financial advisers) was €28 billion or 31% of the budget deficit that year.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_and_corruption_in_Greece

    But yea, it’s all the public servants fault, isn’t it 😯

  230. July 6, 2015 4:58 pm
  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 5:20 pm

    I agree Tom R. It takes a particularly stupid form of leftist government to massively expand welfare and at the same time be completely incompetent in collecting its taxes. The voters got what they voted for:

    the Greek people must come to terms with the consequences of electing Russell Brand to head their government. Voters do have some responsibility for the choices that they make. That is what distinguishes mature democracy from the students’ union.

    When all the workers pack up and go where their work will be rewarded the losers double down and vote for Santa Claus.

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 5:25 pm

    via crikey today

    Guess who, don’t sue. Speaking of all things News Corp, which Australian correspondent sent an email asking for, among other things, a pay rise, while accidentally copying in all staff?…

    …Agriculture white paper pursues Nationals fantasies, not competition:

    “Families” get mentioned over 50 times in the document, frequently in the context of keeping “farming families” at the centre of agriculture, keeping them profitable and helping them through hard times…

    …This is somewhat different to the emphasis of the Productivity Commission’s submission to the taskforce that produced the paper, more than a year ago. The PC doesn’t mention families much — in fact, barely at all. What it does do is explain that in terms of productivity, Australian agriculture has been hugely successful in recent decades, and that part of that process has been a huge drop in farm numbers “as many smaller farms have exited the sector. These developments have strengthened Australia’s agricultural sector.”

    That of course is anathema to Joyce and the Nationals: their vision is of a family farm-dominated agriculture sector, continuing to nurture (heterosexual) farming family values, rather than an industry like any other industry — flexible, market-driven, open to competition and consolidation — and able to adjust to foreseeable challenges like drought without having to rely on taxpayers….

    …And that’s why the centrepiece of the white paper is something the PC specifically targeted for criticism — concessional loans to farmers. The government lectured young people in cities to go and get a better job if they want to be able to borrow for a house will make available $250 million a year for 11 years (enabling the government to talk about a multibillion-dollar package) for loans at a subsidised rate to drought-affected farmers. That’s in addition to the $280 million in concessional loans handed out last year.

    As the PC’s submission explains, concessional loans offering lower rates than commercial finance merely encourage recipients to take on uncommercial levels of debt. Cheap loans “impede efficient risk management and structural adjustment” — that is, they prop up unviable farmers who would have otherwise sold out to larger, better-resourced and more efficient producers…

    Piers’ maths mix-up
    Unscrambling and debunking the scattershot daily rants of News Corp columnists is a Sisyphean task. Piers Akerman, for example, has written himself into such a hysterical corner in recent years that his unceasing attacks on the ABC, Fairfax and the Greens have become a formless white noise of negativism. Whatever faint filaments of logic Akerman’s paragraphs might occasionally carry are smothered under waves of sneering rhetoric.

    When he runs out of declamatory puff Piers just quotes other people — at length — to make up his required word count. But the real danger arises when he tries to squeeze in a fact. Here’s Akerman in yesterday’s Sunday Telegraph, in his tirade against marriage equality:

    “Australia is a substantial nation with a population of 8.4 million.”

    Somehow the sage of Holt Street has managed to overlook 15 million of his fellow citizens. Oh well, close enough for News Corp. In fact, the population of Australia reached 8.4 million way back in 1952 — roughly the same time as Akerman’s capacity for rational thought apparently evaporated. — David Salter

    …Hear ye, hear ye. A tipster tells us that this flyer was sent out to residents of LNP MP Mal Brough’s electorate of Fisher recently…
    … With subtle bold print there’s only a faint whiff of using fear to drive votes…

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:01 pm

    “When he runs out of declamatory puff Piers just quotes other people — at length “

    He’s appropriating your tactic!

  234. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:02 pm

    Fuckwit Farr and the Insiders crew loudly denied ever having heard the rumour

    That’s not entirely correct. He denied the rumour was being spread amongst the press gallery. The fact that he wrote an article months before about a couple of tweets from a coupe of theirabc people doesn’t mean he had heard it being spread/whispered amongst the press gallery, especially in the “un-written truth” manner that akerman was clearly implying.

    It takes a particularly stupid form of leftist government

    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t a rightist grubmint just get booted from there? Trying to blame it all on “lefties” is pretty piss weak. The failure to collect taxes seems to be a failure of their political system, left AND right.

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:14 pm

    He’s appropriating your tactic!

    I’m not a professional journalist though.

  236. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:36 pm

    I’m not a professional journalist though.

    Neither is he AO 😉

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:49 pm

    …Still trying to defend Zacky. It was not what he said that bothered people is was that he was a convicted person who had threatened violence…

    Is threatened violence the same as actual violence these days?
    We all know that basically anyone could be stirred up enough by a visit from the ASIO & security forces. Accusing them of anything and threatening life in prison, showing absolutely no evidence or proof, yet lock you up without trial, a little bit of torture, err interrogation etc. All with impunity. How many people wouldn’t eventually crack and run off at the mouth to them, finally giving them the flimsy reason and justification to convict. Don’t forget the entrapment part of it too, he mouths off to someone, acting all tough, just like drunks at a pub do and next thing the spooks reckon that’s worth a stretch.

    this is from a crikey commenter:

    The problem with Q&A and the right

    “…David Edmunds writes: Re. “Rundle: Q&A, The Australian, and why the right is scared to death of ideas” (July 1). Guy Rundle has only provided a little of the logical mess that the right has got itself into over the Q&A affair, but in a way it is irrelevant. The original outrage was diffuse, arguing that a terrorist had dared to challenge a senior Liberal. Then it turned out that the News Corp papers had given him extensive coverage, praised his attitude to terrorism and apparently paid him. Little attention was paid to the ridiculous reply of Ciobo, who wanted to exile Zaky Mallah, despite the fact that he is one of very few Australians who has been found not to be a terrorist.

    So, the attack changed to suggest that his transport to the studio was unconscionable, until, as it turned out, people were transported from all over Sydney. Then the argument was that he was not a good representative of the muslim people, but of course the show is precisely about citizen questions, not those from acknowledged representatives of anything. So, they moved to his tweets, arguing that apparently ABC producers should have done some detailed character assessment of audience participants, an argument that still seems, despite its clear stupidity to have some support.

    No-one is now suggesting that Mr Mallah is a nice chap, but if Q&A producers had used previous media pieces, particularly those of News Corp, they would have thought he was a fine and worthy citizen. There was criticism of the audience as being leftys, but, of course, the program announces the political affiliation of the audience at the beginning, and the astonishing fact is how closely it represents the population at large.

    So, we moved onto the security of the audience, a point made by Malcom Turnbull on Insiders last Sunday. Apparently it was OK for Mallah to wander through the streets and malls of Australia, but was a particular risk to the ABC studio audience. On Q&A on Monday this week the argument shifted to the “gotcha moment”, the suggestion that Ciobo, as an experienced senior politician, knowing that citizenship must appear on the show could not be expected to handle a question from a fairly inarticulate audience member, particularly as Mallah’s response was precisely what most anti-terrorism experts have been saying. But all of this doesn’t matter. The furore fed a particular constituency, and will no doubt be used to fuel the campaign to damage the ABC…”

  238. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2015 6:56 pm

    Is threatened violence the same as actual violence these days?

    Apparently the only one who gets a clean slate is yabot, daily

    It was not what he said that bothered people is was that he was a convicted person who had threatened violence…

    well, that’s just patently bullshit. The rwnj’s were up in arms for that ‘horrible’ questions.

    Then they started attacking the questioner

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 7:14 pm

    #both barrie `and` the `guests` were told NOT to repeat the `tim-gay` libel slur on-air due to `charter` .. dear old piers decided to push his luck..

    And despite the absolutely dirty, feral media pack on the attack, abbott’s opposition behaving without a shred of decency plus their illegal activities behind the scenes, the sexism, the lies and misrepresentations…no-one got sued!

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 7:36 pm

    Then they started attacking the questioner

    yep, how fkn dare the abc have that man on the show, get the hounds out and crucify them. We will decide who comes on the show and the circumstances in which terror is discussed, and it won’t be on the floor of Q & A!

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 7:55 pm

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:00 pm

    Like which ones ? They barely have anything much in comparison with other EU countries.

    No, I agree, they don’t but they did have Goldman Sachs advising Greek government after government … and what happened to GS?

    The savers always pay and the corporates walk away …

    Greece’s main problem is that the hard workers packed up and moved to Melbourne, leaving the bludgers behind.

    And I must confess we discussed this aspect today too …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    so suck it up teabags and stop bleating about piers, he shot himself in the head …

    One can only hope … what damage does a bullet do to air?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As the PC’s submission explains, concessional loans offering lower rates than commercial finance merely encourage recipients to take on uncommercial levels of debt. Cheap loans “impede efficient risk management and structural adjustment” — that is, they prop up unviable farmers who would have otherwise sold out to larger, better-resourced and more efficient producers…

    A bit like advising people to go out and buy a house ’cause the interest rates at an all time low … or pushing small business to spend $20,000 ’cause they can claim it in tax … duh!

    That is, they prop up unviable small business that is struggling and delay the inevitable bankruptcy and loss to society …

    or …

    That is, The Treasurer props up unviable first home buyers to take on a mortgage that is unsustainable in the long term … and creates a potential foreclosure …

    These “adults in charge” are just brilliant …

  243. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:04 pm

    well, that’s just patently bullshit. The rwnj’s were up in arms for that ‘horrible’ questions

    No it was the fact he was on the show. Q&A would be a high profile target. He was imprisoned for threatening to kill an ASIO officer and for possessing an illegal firearm. Perhaps Q&A should have done what they did with David Hicks and Howard. have Zacky ask the question by video.

    Australia is a substantial nation with a population of 8.4 million

    The previous sentence gives the context “Nor was it surprising that the ABC all but ignored the 110-26 vote rejection of a motion put forward by the Austrian Greens which would have provided for the possibility of same-sex “marriages”,

    He was talking about Austria. I guess it was a typo and most probably by someone other than Akerman.

  244. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:08 pm

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:15 pm

    Chuckle …

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:38 pm

    Q&A
    .
    Monday 6th July at 9:34 pm (66 minutes)

    Richard Marles, Larissa Waters, Trisha Jha, Greg Sheridan: On the panel: Shadow Minister for Immigration Richard Marles; Greens Senator Larissa Waters; policy analyst Trisha Jha & foreign affairs editor Greg Sheridan. #QandA

    And how we laughed and laughed …

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 6, 2015 8:47 pm

    The fact that he wrote an article months before about a couple of tweets from a coupe of theirabc people doesn’t mean he had heard it being spread/whispered amongst the press gallery,

    The question Farr was asked was whether he had heard the rumors not whether they were circulating the Canberra press gallery. He lied. Not only had he heard the rumors he published an article and helped spread them

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/triple-js-stinging-sledge-on-julia-and-tim/story-e6frfku0-1226212138962#ixzz2WQs64owr

    TWO ABC broadcasters have called Julia Gillard a “whore” and accused boyfriend Tim Mathieson of being gay in blistering Twitter attacks as the Prime Minister prepared to open the ALP national conference today.

    Akerman got banned from the ABC for stating fact.

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 9:41 pm

    A ban on hunting won’t save the lion: it will hurt conservation efforts
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/a-ban-on-hunting-wont-save-the-lion-it-will-hurt-conservation-efforts-20150615-ghnxhk.html

    Keep showing us your thoughts Sen Lleyonhelm, it helps people to see how nutty you are. Everything has a price and should be exploited, right up until there’s nothing left of it!

    Killing majestic animals just because people should be able to do so in a free society, no respect for anything but money. Another one who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    You actually are inflicting harm on ‘others’ you jerk-off, killing an innocent animal for no reason at all. I find it sickening and you to be a sick f*ck.

    Why stop at animals, why can’t we kill people for sport and start with you? We’re just another animal species after all.

    These libertarians always manage to include their get out of jail free card with their prattle “unless we are inflicting harm on others, it is not legitimate to invoke the power of the government based on mere disapproval”

    Because all that matters to them is getting the protection of the state for themselves and their own property/enterprises, they’ll exploit everything they can in pursuit of profit, but expect to be looked after when others don’t like what they do.

    Looks like Lleyonhelm is trying to get himself a profile before the next election. I hope he cops plenty of feedback for that great example of libertarian thinking.

    …Do we need to go past Oscar Wilde for a comment here?
    “The unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable.”
    Commente Redsaunas Location Date and time June 15, 2015, 3:28PM

    …Let’s not forget that Senator Leyonhjelm believes that if we carried concealed weapons things like the Sydney siege wouldn’t happen, a very misguided view in my opinion, as misguided as the article above.
    Commenter Astounded Location Date and time June 15, 2015, 9:03PM

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:07 pm

    The $200 million question: How much does trophy hunting really contribute to African communities.
    http://www.ifaw.org/sites/default/files/Ecolarge-2013-200m-question.pdf

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 10:31 pm

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2015 11:00 pm

  252. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:42 am

    The question Farr was asked was whether he had heard the rumors not whether they were circulating the Canberra press gallery.

    akerman claimed that “a lot of the people in the Canberra press gallery have been saying the same thing” in regards to Lenore Taylors statement that the fact of him being gay or not is not the issue, it is that it was a “sham marriage.” Farr said he had never heard any talk amongst the “press gallery” about those “rumours”, and asked akers to name names. akers didn’t I note. It was pure smear.

    Farr had written an article about some tweets, not “press gallery” rumours. One tweet that mentions gay marriage does not constitute a rumbling around the press gallery about anything, especially when that tweet has nothing to do with the press gallery.

    “Just because you don’t want to marry your gay boyfriend doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to marry mine,” tweeter Triple J identity and musician Brendan McLean.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/triple-js-stinging-sledge-on-julia-and-tim/story-e6frfku0-1226212138962#ixzz2WQs64owr

    And if someone went on air trying to claim that the press gallery were all in the know about yabot sleeping with so and so or sa and what, then that would be abhorrent too. But someone (who had been on the show many times) asks a very valid question, the rwnj’s are up in arms.

    I’m also wondering why certain people are now only allowed to ask questions via video? It was nothing about “security when howard was asked his, or Gillard got the gotcha from Assange. In Assanges case, it’s because he’s too scared to leave his confines, I’d assumed the same of Hicks.

    Does this mean people sending in video questions now have a “cloud” over their heads?

    I also note the rwnj’s don’t seem to care that a convicted racists is still allowed to host his own show on a major television network, in fact, they call that “free speech”, but an ex con asks a question, and it’s the end of the world.

    Educate yourself nIl with what was actually said, and ignore the convicted racists and his confected outrage.

  253. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:50 am

    Little Greg Sheridan openly criticising government policy, and the ALP defending the LNP.

    I wonder if he’ll remain that way today?

    I didn’t see qanda last night AO, but from what I have read, it appears that marles performed quite shithouse, and jones has become the grubmints hit man in their absence. The abc is completely cowed and shithouse, as opposed to being just shithouse, which has been the case for many years now.

    I also heard that the Greens were quite hypocritical, denouncing it all, only to find out that they had pushed this through without voicing concerns.

    I don’t know the details, but everyone up in arms seem to be under the impression that the policy skirts whistle blower legislation (legislation that Labor just beefed up I’ll add)

    Marles was of the opinion that whistleblower protections still exist for the Dr’s etc, and it appears that the SHY signed off on the legislation without a dissenting report. Which when Marles raised the point last night shut up the Greens senator quick smart.

    Hopefully I’ll be able to catch up with it later (I’ve just donwloaded the show).

  254. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:24 am

    I note that our msm don’t seem to think that the Mafia paying off pollies is much of a story, but that doesn’t mean it should be avoided all together. I also wonder if it might be why policies have outcomes like this?

    Italy’s top anti-Mafia prosecutor and Australian police are warning that the massive diversion of law-enforcement resources to combat terrorism is eroding the fight against the Mafia and other serious organised crime groups.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/terror-diverts-focus-as-mafia-board-of-directors-thrives-20150705-gi4h7z

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:44 am

    Farr had written an article about some tweets, not “press gallery” rumours.

    Well why didn’t Farr say he had heard the rumors elsewhere but not in the press gallery?? I would have to watch the whole show but i am sure Piers asked Farr if he had heard the rumors and Farr said no. Fact is not only did Farr know about the rumors he helped spread them by writing an article on them. Farr could have said he wrote about it once but had not heard the rumors in the gallery. But he implied he had never heard them

    The question Piers asked was this “Malcolm, you’ve never heard it either?”

    And it was Cassidy who brought up the topic. Are they not supposed to comment?

    But i cannot work out why Piers got dumped from the show for his comments. The ABC seems awfully touchy about smears about the people they like

    So far Gillard has had Akerman, Michael Smith, Glenn Milne and who knows who else dumped from shows. If similar things were said about John Howard the ABC would have done nothing.

  256. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:54 am

    Well why didn’t Farr say he had heard the rumors elsewhere but not in the press gallery??

    Because that wasn’t what akerman was saying, and Farr wasn’t about to enter into a bitching contest about it I would assume.

    I would have to watch the whole show

    You only need to watch hte bit I put up above, as that is the only time the subject was raised. But knock yaself out, watch the entire episode just to get the 20 seconds of crap.

    And it was Cassidy who brought up the topic.

    They were talking about Sattler. That isn’t an open invitation to try and give the smear legs, or expand on it like akers tried.

    But i cannot work out why Piers got dumped from the show for his comments.

    See my last sentence, and think about my earlier comment in respect to if a similar smear was attempted to be run on abbott on a national broadcaster.

    So far Gillard has had Akerman, Michael Smith, Glenn Milne and who knows who else dumped from shows.

    No, the shows made those decisions, Gillard only threatened legal action against Milne if the story remained as it was. Ask hockey about that.

    Unlike yabot, who has put a blanket ban on a qanda show because he doesn’t like the perfectly valid question.

  257. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:57 am

    As much as I like the outcome, the price is too high imo

    One Liberal MP told Sky News that the Japanese ‘had to have their arms twisted to even put forward a proposal’.

    ‘If the Japanese get it, we’ll lose every seat in South Australia and we’ll lose the election’, one said.
    – See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/07/exclusive–liberal-mps-warn-of-japan-sub-deal.html#sthash.SB4QaB0I.W276Lyle.dpuf

  258. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 9:34 am

    “Gillard only threatened legal action against Milne if the story remained as it was.”

    Obviously he should have taken the lying mongrel head on. His crime, apparently, was to make reference to a “trust” fund instead of Gillard’s preferred terminology of “slush” fund.

    Meanwhile, given that the ABC audience has a taste for bestiality, it is fine by them to depict a bit of celebrity dog-fucking so long as the celebrity is on the ALP hate list.

  259. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 9:51 am

    His crime, apparently, was to make reference to a “trust” fund instead of Gillard’s preferred terminology of “slush” fund.

    So, his “crime” was to lie.

    But an ex con asks a valid question (which has been ignored, so success to the rwnj’s there) and Apocalyptic!

    Meanwhile, the proof of Labors policies working is in the pudding

  260. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:12 am

    “Define a community by the many, not the misfit”

    Of course, there are exceptions 😉

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/06/andrew-bolt-trashes-muslims-and-his-own-arguments-trashing-muslims

  261. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:35 am

    “So, his “crime” was to lie.”

    Your crime is to call it a lie. Only a disingenuous pedant would take the point. When you say it was a lie, you are in fact lying as you have no evidence that the misstatement was deliberate. If he had got it right it would have made Gillard look worse – “trust fund” is a neutral term whereas “slush fund” has Unionland grime written all over it.

  262. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:42 am

    you have no evidence that the misstatement was deliberate.

    He had been corrected (sued) previously on this very point.

    He is either a liar, or a total fucking idiot.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:46 am

    …I didn’t see qanda last night AO, but from what I have read, it appears that marles performed quite shithouse, and jones has become the grubmints hit man in their absence…

    Marles must have lost votes for labor last night tomR, you would have thought he was a heartless LNP rep. Really showed up the non-choice we have at election time.

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:53 am

    Why would you deliberately call a “slush fund” a “trust fund”?

    So he was sued for calling a “slush fund” a “trust fund”?

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:59 am

  266. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:02 am

    So he was sued for calling a “slush fund” a “trust fund”?

    Pedantic isn’t it.

    And, remember, when they constantly call it a “slush fund” it is in brackets, to highlight that it is a quote. He called it something it wasn’t, after already getting in trouble for doing that before.

    I agree, taking Gillards words out of context and using them to make something appear like it isn’t is worst. And that’s why I hated that whole “Get Gillard” period. But, Milne wasn’t being sly and clever with weasle words, he was just wrong, maybe to make it seems worst than it was, who knows. But he was wrong, again. End of story

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:18 am

    But, Milne wasn’t being sly and clever with weasle words

    And as a regular ABC viewer (just so sb, get a heads up on who he’s insulting today) Milne is a weasel, drunk and a dimwit why anyone would “defend” the unprofessional twit is beyond me and many others …

  268. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:24 am

    Milne is a weasel, drunk and a dimwit

    Which would more explain the reasons for them booting him than anything else.

    Without wearing the tin foil hat that is 😉

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:24 am

    Greens on the rise, there’s somewhere for progressives to vote when can’t stomach the policies of the lab/lib duopoly.

    Richard’s big gamble with the Greens:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/07/06/first-greens-pm/

    …The new Greens leader has been in the job for months, and his stock is building…

    …Perhaps more importantly, Senator Di Natale is part of a triumvirate formed within the Greens parliamentary wing to dispel the party’s reputation for bottom-of-the-garden economics. In doing so, the Greens hope to establish the party as a voice of economic responsibility, and provide a contrast to the magic-pudding economics of the Government and the “just say no” approach of Labor…

  270. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:25 am

    A wild claim … is it?

    According to mainstream media, the current economic crisis in Greece is due to the government spending too much money on its people that it went broke. This claim however, is a lie. It was the banks that wrecked the country so oligarchs and international corporations could benefit.

    http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/greece-what-you-are-not-being-told-by-the-media/#.VZqBuo26uzM.facebook

  271. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:29 am

    the Greens hope to establish the party as a voice of economic responsibility

    wow, good start with the pensions sellout then 😯

    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/opinions/the-greens-the-libs-pensions-who-s-keeping-the-bastards-honest-now/201506225924#.VZsrZfmNGqH

    http://nationalseniors.com.au/be-heard/retirement-income/2015-pension-cuts-campaign

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:36 am

    The Greens look better now than they under Brown or Milne. But regardless, they’re not successors as a genuine option to Libs/Labs.

    That’s why I’d be happy to see Nick X’s party get off the ground.

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:37 am

    “But he was wrong, again.”

    Not in any material way. That is why those taking the point are just malicious political hacks.

    Anyway, this is the ABC we are talking about – insult Gillard and you are off. Wannabe jihadi gang-rapists welcome any time.

  274. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:43 am

    How a war on current affairs split the Coalition:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/07/06/qa-wars-abbott-barnaby-joyce/

    …ANALYSIS: This isn’t the first time the government has tried to bully a current affairs show. But last time, the Nationals showed some backbone…

    Labor’s Richard Marles Found Himself Defending Coalition Policies And It Got Worse From There:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexlee/marles-turned-back?utm_term=.qxKrZAA2D#.hsAVVpmoY

    …It wasn’t pretty, but he’d handled the hairy immigration question and was out of the woods.
    Or so he thought.
    Then came a question about the government’s controversial whistleblower laws, that could see health workers locked up for speaking up about conditions on detention centres…

  275. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:46 am

    Not in any material way.

    except for the fact that it wasn’t a trust fund 😯

    Anyway, this is the ABC we are talking about – insult Gillard and you are off.

    He was writing in theoz

    And recall that qanda got Assange to ask a gotcha of Gillard without even letting her know the question would be asked, unlike ciobo, and yet the ALP didn’t boycott the show (although I recall that one night they pulled someone from it, but I think that was unrelated)

    That is why those taking the point are just malicious political hacks.

    turned out milne was the malicious political hack 😉

  276. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:50 am

    So AO, do the Dr’s have it wrong, or not?

  277. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 11:59 am

    BETTER PENSIONS – FACT SHEET
    http://greens.org.au/node/11448

  278. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:00 pm

    “except for the fact that it wasn’t a trust fund”

    It probably was a trust fund since, given the fraud involved, the fund would be held on constructive trust for the union.

    Anyway, Gillard said it was a purely slush fund notwithstanding that when she prepared the registration documents she the fund was for the benefit of workers.

  279. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:05 pm

    So AO, do the Dr’s have it wrong, or not?

    Well that is the problem tomR, we don’t know. Marles said they would be protected by whistleblower legislation, Sheridan says they wouldn’t, neither would journalists, if they exposed ‘secrets’ of govt.

    I think the Dr’s are right. We can’t and don’t protect whistleblowers from prosecution now, they are persecuted and crucified, why would it be any easier under the new security powers?

  280. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:10 pm

    lol AO

    3 / As part of the Agreement, we secured a broader review of retirement incomes; particularly looking at the interaction between pensions, superannuation, taxation and employment

    Which the libs have already reneged on

  281. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:15 pm

    It probably was a trust fund if only it wasn’t an incorporated association 😉

  282. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:17 pm

    I think the Dr’s are right

    Then the Greens have some answers, as the Senate committee report on the whistleblower provisions in the legislation was signed off by Sarah Hanson Young.

  283. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:23 pm

    Q&A auditor Ray Martin derides Tony Abbott’s ‘silly’ frontbench boycott
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/qa-auditor-ray-martin-derides-tony-abbotts-silly-frontbench-boycott-20150707-gi6lal

    Anti-Muslim Group Presents Petition To Halal Inquiry With 13 Signatures
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/07/anti-muslim-group-presents-petition-halal-inquiry-13-signatures

  284. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:26 pm

  285. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:27 pm

    lol, Ray Martin is bagging yabot.

    Where can it all end?

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:33 pm

  287. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:35 pm

    I have read it. He is wrong.

    Then so is Sarah Hanson Young

    Or Burnside is

  288. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:36 pm

  289. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:41 pm

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:44 pm

    ***Please note tomR

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:49 pm

    “if only it wasn’t an incorporated association “

    Yes. It held the fraudulently obtained funds on trust for those who were intended to benefit from them.

  292. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:50 pm

    Is that because the amendments were unnecessary? As the legislation with whistleblowers is strong enough?

    Else why were the whistleblower provisions in the legislation signed off by Sarah Hanson Young?

  293. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 12:51 pm

    funds on trust

    So, from that, you make it a “trust fund” rofl

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 1:49 pm

    A trust isn’t an entity, moron. Thus saying “if only it wasn’t an incorporated association“ is not to the point. A trust is a relation between a person and property whereby property they held by the person is impressed with trust obligations.

    The funds held by the fraudulent entity, at law and irrespective of what Gillard or her crooked boyfriend did with them, were held for those intended to be benefited by them. This is common in fraud cases.

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 1:51 pm

    OF CLOWNS AND TREASURERS:Joe Hockey and the myth of Coalition economic management
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/july/1435672800/richard-denniss/clowns-and-treasurers

    …Like the gods of cultures past, “the markets” can be angry. They can be vengeful. And they can punish non-believers. We must consult them cautiously. To simply inquire into the fall in the iron ore price, for instance, might spook them…

    …While markets are real, it is absurd to suggest that they have feelings, needs or demands…

    …Economics doesn’t tell us that we need to cut taxes for the rich or cause climate change if we really want to help the poor. And “the markets” don’t tell us that either. Those are the sentiments of some wealthy people, and some politicians who represent them. But they say it in econospeak because it sounds so ridiculous in plain English…

  296. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 1:58 pm

    A trust isn’t an entity, moron.

    And Gillard set up an incorporated association, not a trust fund.

    It’s pretty fucking simple. It’s no surprise you are having difficulties.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:09 pm

    …Else why were the whistleblower provisions in the legislation signed off by Sarah Hanson Young?…

    Where is that located tomR? If lab and libs agree on legislation, why would they need the greens to sign off on anything?

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:14 pm

    3 / As part of the Agreement, we secured a broader review of retirement incomes; particularly looking at the interaction between pensions, superannuation, taxation and employment

    Which the libs have already reneged on

    Yeah, TR, but is that the Green’s fault?

    The LNP and particularly The Mad Abbott are compulsive LIARS … why aren’t they ever called out on it?

    Just to butt in … I agreed to the changes when they were first mooted … as you know I have a vested interest (they won’t affect us at all) … but they do add some fairness to the system … $1,100,000 will bring in well over $55,000 pa tax free for anyone over 65 …

    Based upon the Sunsuper Calculator, I put a link to the other day … drawing $70,000 pa it would run out at 89 years old …

    However, the tax concessions at the top end really do need to be looked at … way too generous …

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:19 pm

    Anti-Muslim Group Presents Petition To Halal Inquiry With 13 Signatures

    And wasn’t it, “The Checkout”, (one of those biased ABC shows) that concluded in a segment that halal certification was actually benefitting many Australian businesses … it just needs to come under one certification banner …

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:26 pm

    It’s pretty fucking simple. It’s no surprise you are having difficulties.

    Agree …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My understanding of the Border Force law is that if a doctor is charged then he/she could (not can) invoke the Whistleblower Act in an appeal … an appeal!

    The doctor would still be facing two years jail and there would (knowing this fascist governments’ modus operandi) be a high level of secrecy for “security reasons” …

    If doctors are covered by the Whistleblower Act why are they included at all?

  301. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:33 pm

    My speech in the Senate strongly opposing the Border Force Bill and condemning the attack on whistleblowers

    Yet still it seems she was satisfied. Has it occurred to you that the Greens are just a political party playing political games?

    Not sure how the link will work, is to a pdf. Let me know how you go 😉

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjACahUKEwiT992glsjGAhXh3aYKHRU8CDw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2F~%2Fmedia%2FCommittees%2Flegcon_ctte%2FAustralian_Border_Force%2Freport.pdf%3Fla%3Den&ei=XlSbVZNQ4bubBZX4oOAD&usg=AFQjCNGTQJswcO4pzKZvxUqbfnL49BS5mg&sig2=enl-aeCyn5tBbS9z1hJhVQ&bvm=bv.96952980,d.dGY

  302. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:36 pm

    If doctors are covered by the Whistleblower Act why are they included at all?

    I get the feeling that the entire thing is simply a wedge set up for Labor, and the Greens are playing the Devils Advocate for the Libs

    As was mentioned, when Marles finally threw it back in the Greens face last night, they shut up.

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:37 pm

    Has it occurred to you that the Greens are just a political party playing political games?

    Did you mean to say that, TR? Or were you being sarcastic?

  304. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:42 pm

    Yeah, TR, but is that the Green’s fault?

    It was something Labor were trying to tie down, but the Greens cut in and got a provision that means nothing. The libs took them for a ride. So yes, I’ll blame that one on the Greens

    but they do add some fairness to the system

    I don’t disagree, but it is the “some” that should be highlighted there.

    The libs got to put through a minor policy that in the rub does very little, and in the process, get to ignore the top end of the equation, where the real money to be saved is.

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:48 pm

    Has it occurred to you that the Greens are just a political party playing political games?

    OMG, Nooooo!

    I think the labor right has done it’s dash with progressives. People of compassion can’t be part of the misery and inhumanity that is current asylum seeker policy.
    I do hope the labor left gains control at conference, but recent reports suggest that the right is already trying to manipulate an outcome favourable to themselves.

  306. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:50 pm

    Or were you being sarcastic?

    Who? Me? 😯 🙂

  307. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:52 pm

    People of compassion can’t be part of the misery and inhumanity that is current asylum seeker policy.

    I AGREE!

    But I also don’t see any solution from the Greens. All they have done is helped push us where we are. imo 😉

  308. Constructive Trust permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:53 pm

    Entity

    An individual (for example, a sole trader), a body corporate (a company), a corporation sole, a body politic, a partnership, an unincorporated association or body of persons, a trust, or a super fund.

  309. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:56 pm

  310. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 2:58 pm

    That is a statutory definition of entity for the purposes of the Tax Act. Got nothing to do with any other area of law including the one we are discussing.

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:04 pm

    “And Gillard set up an incorporated association, not a trust fund.

    It’s pretty fucking simple.”

    Actually it isn’t at all simple. Read this. It will help you over the entity point. Then we can discuss what happens in fraud cases (clue: the fraudster often holds the property on trust for the person defrauded).

  312. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:04 pm

    Constructive Trust

    Is that you sb?

    But I also don’t see any solution from the Greens. All they have done is helped push us where we are. imo

    Can’t see how you work that out.

    No-one has pushed labor into their ‘all the way with the libs’ political strategy, they have decided that disunity with the libs is political death and are sticking to them like glue. Meanwhile voters are screaming out for something different. That is why both leaders are so unpopular, we hate them both, so may as well vote for greens and indies, until they offer something decent.

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:09 pm

    You can trust me, KL. I’m always constructive. 🙂

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:10 pm

    But I also don’t see any solution from the Greens. All they have done is helped push us where we are. imo

    And i don’t see any solution from Labor. Labor created this whole mess by abolishing the Pacific Solution.

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:16 pm

    I looked at that document tomR and the committee members

    Members
    Senator the Hon Ian Macdonald (LP, QLD) (Chair to 20.04.2015)
    Senator Barry O’Sullivan (NATS, QLD) (Chair from 20.04.2015)
    Senator Jacinta Collins (ALP, VIC) (Deputy Chair)
    Senator Catryna Bilyk (ALP, TAS)
    Senator Linda Reynolds (LP, WA)
    Senator Penny Wright (AG, SA)
    Substitute member
    Senator Sarah Hanson-Young (AG, SA) to replace Senator Penny Wright (AG, SA)

    Do you really think the committee needed SHY to sign off? Being present doesn’t equal ‘signing off’

    Just because she was a substitute member of committee doesn’t mean she agreed to it’s recommendations. You can’t have an input unless you’re part of the process, but doesn’t mean she had any influence whatsoever. That would only be relevant if you gave me the names of those for and against the recommendation. One person opposed vs five who are in lock step, she would’ve been totally ignored.

  316. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:21 pm

    the fraudster often holds the property on trust for the person defrauded

    really no idea where you are going

    Gillard set up a type of arrangement, milne called it something else. Even theoz agreed it was incorrect.

    they have decided that disunity with the libs is political death and are sticking to them like glue.

    Just like the Greens did with the Malaysian solution. And now the pensions. See how well that works for them 😉

    That is why both leaders are so unpopular, we hate them both

    And I’d argue that’s because the media run this “pox on both houses” without examining the details. The Get Shorten campaign is in full swing, ably abetted by a compliant media.

    eg

    I’ll start taking notice of the Greens when they start offering solutions instead of platitudes, like they did last night

  317. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:23 pm

    Just because she was a substitute member of committee doesn’t mean she agreed to it’s recommendations.

    Like I said AO, when Marles raised it, the Green on the panel shut up.

    And if she opposed, she should put that in, that is what these reports are for. Everyone to have a say and their opinion.

  318. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:25 pm

  319. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:26 pm

    And i don’t see any solution from Labor.

    Yea, cos the Malaysian Solution, backed by the UNHCR, didn’t happen.

    Labor created this whole mess by abolishing the Pacific Solution.

    Because it was/is shit, but we have all been forced back to this by three sides unable to compromise (well, apart from Labor, who have bent both ways, just bending far right at the moment)

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:33 pm

    “really no idea where you are going”

    You are right about that.

  321. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:34 pm

    “Kathy Jackson deliberately set up a “secret” slush fund and financial arrangements to hide her misappropriation and thwart legal rules about union spending, a court has heard.”

    Oh noes! Another slush fund! Unionland is full of them! Gillard did the same thing for her boyfriend.

  322. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:38 pm

    Meanwhile, in other parts of Unionland peace love and harmony are breaking out:

    “Hopefully the whole Right will be back together. If we don’t have a unified Right we are going to be in trouble long term,’’ one Right faction chief said.

    Sources said the faction — which has a tortured history or ­intense personality and political clashes — would attempt to ­reunify itself at a meeting scheduled for August 8.

  323. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:41 pm

    Because it was/is shit, but we have all been forced back to this by three sides unable to compromise

    No in 2007

    asylum seekers in detention = 6
    kids in detention = zero
    debt = zero
    unemployment = 4.3%

    And then Rudd got in.

  324. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:44 pm

    Another slush fund!

    Is that like the one yabot set up to burn a political opponent?

  325. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:49 pm

    more terror

  326. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:51 pm

    I don’t know about Yabot’s slushie. Did he steal money from union members?

  327. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 3:54 pm

    Did he steal money from union members?

    You’ll have to ask him that yourself at your next meet 😉

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:07 pm

    I don’t know about Yabot’s slushie. Did he steal money from union members?

    No, he created one for the purpose of destroying LNP political threat pauline hanson and eventually got her jailed.

    Even when asked by the electoral commission to divulge the secret donors to determine if it’s purpose was an associated entity he refused.

    https://newmatilda.com/2012/12/11/tony-abbotts-slush-fund

  329. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:08 pm

    Sold out by our own grubmint

    But the really explosive stuff is contained in the free trade deal’s many schedules and side letters, some of which enable significant labour market deregulation.

    For instance, the government appears to have removed the skills assessment criteria for ten classes of workers on 457 visas, including electricians.
    – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/07/hidden-nasties-australias-new-free-trade-deal#sthash.F7dUqj0P.dpuf

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:26 pm

    Well somebody posted a link showing Tim Wilsons expenses as $77,000 but there was no link showing the expenses by Gillian Triggs. Well low and behold Triggs is expensive. Tim Blair posted just the travel costs

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/human_flights/#commentsmore

    Wilson = $14K
    Triggs= $65K

    Goodness knows what Triggs spent on other things.

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:29 pm

    As with all things LNP and our systems of governance, the AEC didn’t do a thing.

    The legal saga against One Nation, and legal possibilities against Abbott –
    http://nofibs.com.au/2013/04/18/the-legal-saga-against-one-nation-and-legal-possibilities-against-abbott/

    …The Commission dropped it – why? Later, the Commission acknowledged during a Senate committee hearing that this could amount to a giant loophole in disclosure of the donors to political parties. Set up a fund to destroy an opponent and it’s not a donation to the Liberal Party!!!
    So what does the Commission’s legal opinion say, and did they ever get one? The Commission has shut its mouth. It will say nothing. The Commission must be independent, scrupulous and fearless because it is the steward of a fair electoral system, the foundation stone of a functioning democracy. So why won’t it talk to us?…

  332. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:36 pm

    “Thomas Piketty explains why the Germans are being massive hypocrites about Greece’s debt:”

    More rubbish

    Would he also like to explain why Greece lied in order to get into the EU in the first place ?

  333. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:42 pm

    This is the Table showing how expensive Triggs is

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 4:49 pm

    … the fraudster often holds the property on trust for the person defrauded …

    Not quite sure what that’s supposed to mean but the phrase is “held in trust” …

    Oh noes! Another slush fund! Unionland is full of them! Gillard did the same thing for her boyfriend.

    Erm, this is all old crap … done and dusted … unless its a Splatterbum Royal Commission version two … and a lead up to tomorrow and Shorten’s turn … so Abbott can play politics and waste more taxpayers money … ’twill backfire again …

    “Hopefully the whole Right will be back together. If we don’t have a unified Right we are going to be in trouble long term,’’ one Right faction chief said.

    Sources said the faction — which has a tortured history or ­intense personality and political clashes — would attempt to ­reunify itself at a meeting scheduled for August 8.

    This sounds so much like the current Liberal Party! Guffaw!

    Oh, that’s right the LibNits don’t have factions … chortle …

    Did he steal money from union members?

    Well yes he did … he stole from all of us who pay taxes … and it needs a Royal Commission …

    One of the Howard Government’s most senior ministers last night revealed he raised nearly $100,000 to lay the groundwork for Pauline Hanson’s prosecution for electoral fraud.

    The Minister for Workplace Relations, Tony Abbott, admitted setting up a trust, Australians for Honest Politics, from donations to pay for legal actions against Hanson and her party, One Nation.

    Taxpayers pay for his time and skill (I’m still waiting for the latter) … not to play politics constantly … the man is a fraud …

    He said he had set up Australians for Honest Politics in 1998 because he believed One Nation was fraudulently registered.

    Last week, Hanson and her fellow One Nation founder, David Ettridge, were jailed after the party received nearly $500,000 in electoral funding to which it was not entitled because it had been falsely registered.

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/25/1061663736939.html

    One Nation co-founders Pauline Hanson and David Ettridge were set free today after a court overturned their convictions for electoral fraud.

    Queensland Chief Justice Paul de Jersey told a stunned courtroom the Court of Appeal had acquitted both Ms Hanson and Mr Ettridge.

    They had served 11 weeks in jail since a Brisbane District Court jury found them guilty in August.

    Tony Abbott is a nasty person with a cruel vindictive nature to any opposition, a narrow minded self centred bigot, who operates in one way and one way only attack and maim … he really is a vicious piece of shit … and has never changed … the man is a paranoid … how anyone could support him and his backward ideas is beyond ken …

    BTW Pauline Hanson is just a dumb, thick brained wannabe …

  335. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:01 pm

    “Well yes he did … he stole from all of us who pay taxes ……..Taxpayers pay for his time and skill.”

    By Dog you post some “long bow” CRAP !

  336. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:08 pm

    “but the phrase is “held in trust”

    The parliamentary draftsman disagrees with you.

    In fact “in trust”, “on trust” or “upon trust” will do.

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:10 pm

    “Erm, this is all old crap “

    Grouchy, grouchy, TB. My reference was to the Kathy Jackson allegation put in court today.

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:14 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/07/for-tony-abbott-financial-stability-starts-in-the-fruit-and-veg-aisle
    For Tony Abbott, financial stability starts in the fruit and veg aisle
    The prime minister appeared to suggest a grocery code of conduct could have prevented the Greek financial crisis. But could he possibly have meant that?

  339. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:17 pm

    Every ALP/Unionland crime boss turned politician (i.e. most of caucus) is “a nasty person with a cruel vindictive nature to any opposition, a narrow minded self centred bigot, who operates in one way and one way only attack and maim … he really is a vicious piece of shit … and has never changed … the man is a paranoid … how anyone could support him and his backward ideas is beyond ken … “

    The ALP is the party of paedophilia and when someone has the guts to expose one of the paedophile politicians they are persecuted by the ALP.

  340. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:21 pm

    The Farce At Kirribilli: Abbott, Shorten Put The Con Back Into Constitutional Reform https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/07/farce-kirribilli-abbott-shorten-put-con-back-constitutional-reform#sthash.lIfxvwMt.dpuf

    …Blackfellas can be seen to have a say, they can be ‘consulted’ with, but in the end, the process ends in white hands, and the hands of the majority non-Indigenous populace, if a referendum ever happens in the near future.

    When you sum it all up, it will be white people who say what’s good. It will be white people who will say what’s bad. It will be white people who will buy it. The only difference is, blackfellas are the ones forced to sell it. And those who refuse to do so, are pushed to the margins of public debate, even overshadowed by the voices of irrational right-wingers like Andrew Bolt, who plead for a no case for all the wrong reasons…

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:32 pm

    “blackfellas are the ones forced to sell it”

    Don’t bother moron. No one wants racial division entrenched in the constitution.

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:37 pm

    The ALP is the party of paedophilia and when someone has the guts to expose one of the paedophile politicians they are persecuted by the ALP.

    So you would have thought the ALP would be against a RC into child sexual abuse instead of instigating it. Wasn’t it the LNP who was against it? Surely that would be their big chance to expose your accusations.

  343. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:48 pm

    The ALP are smarter than that. They probably doctored the terms of reference. The way the ALP treated Gillian Sneddon would be worth a look. Festering rottenness at the core of the party.

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:54 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/investigations/kathy-jackson-slush-fund-supported-political-allies-20140429-zr1eo.html

    …Leaked documents suggest there may have been an attempt inside the HSU to obscure the existence of the fund, with auditor accounts revealing an unknown person working for the HSU edited the spreadsheets to remove references to the NHDA.

    The changes resulted in an accounting error in the 2006 financial statement, with $38,000 of members’ money sent to the fund removed from the final accounts.

    Fairfax Media is not suggesting Ms Jackson was aware of any irregular accounting practices and was unable to contact the union’s auditor…

    Fairfax being very careful re the elephant inside and outside the room.

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 5:56 pm

    What do you think the Millenium Foundation is sb?

    Donations paid secretively and illegally by big business for the purpose of electing the LNP to gain political favours from them.

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:09 pm

    This is now getting very, very suspicious and dangerous for we plebs!

    A HIGHLY secretive deal being negotiated in Geneva could see giant international childcare providers enter the Australian market with more limited future government control on how they operate.

    More than 50 mostly wealthy countries calling themselves the “Really Good Friends of Services” are currently in talks for the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) to encourage global investment in services such as childcare, aged care and financial advice.

    These mostly wealthy countries call themselves the “Really Good Friends of Services” group and consist of the EU, which includes 28 countries, along with 24 other countries such as Australia, the United States, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, Turkey, Switzerland, Mexico, Iceland and Israel.

    Together, these countries account for over 70 per cent of world trade in services. China and Mauritius have also asked to join the talks.

    Australia will chair the next round of negotiations for TiSA from July 6 to 10.

    TiSA complements two other global trade agreements currently being negotiated, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TTP), and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP).

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/trade-in-services-agreement-could-see-international-childcare-providers-enter-the-australian-market/story-fnu2pycd-1227432603509

    This government is way too quick to sign up to deregulation and sell off deals to other countries … we are really being screwed …

  347. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:16 pm

    “What do you think the Millenium Foundation is sb?”

    This was much discussed in the ICAC threads and I was as scathing as anyone. I certainly agreed with your calls for a Federal ICAC. I hammer them all when the time comes.

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:26 pm

    Every ALP/Unionland crime boss turned politician (i.e. most of caucus)

    A link would be really good … seeing as how you plagiarised my comment …

    This “burning” of unions is obviously out of the Liberal Party Plan Book … the real issue is not all unions but the small group who steal and deceive union members … Shorten isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine … more so than the moron destroying the country at everyone’s expense … that’s the 84% of non-union workers …

    Maybe we should have a RC into business practices … there will be a lot more stories and allegations there …

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:32 pm

    I hammer them all when the time comes.

    Yes, you do, I’ll give you that.

    I wonder if we’ll ever get the duopoly to agree to a federal ICAC, surely they have had it too good for far too long?

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:45 pm

    “seeing as how you plagiarised my comment”

    Not plagiarised. Just fixed it for ya!

    “I wonder if we’ll ever get the duopoly to agree to a federal ICAC, surely they have had it too good for far too long?”

    I think we got it in NSW as a concession to the independents in a hung parliament. There was probably a chance to that as a condition of supporting one or other after the 2010 election.

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2015 6:51 pm

    “Shorten isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine”

    GUFFAW!!

    Shorten is everything that is wrong with Labor. He is the faction overlord who came from uni up through the unions to a safe Labor seat. He has probably never done an honest days’ work in his life. His skillset is doing the numbers, cutting deals and stabbing Prime Ministers. Scum like that have absolutely nothing to contribute to the country. The ALP is full of them.

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:09 pm

    Echuca Moama’s students taped their mouths in solidarity with refugee children in detention

    Bit late since most have been released. I would at a guess say some lefty teacher is using school children for political purposes.

    Why didn’t this teacher make this statement when Labor/Greens had 2,000 kids locked up?

  353. July 7, 2015 7:13 pm

    ao”””Marles must have lost votes for labor last night tomR, you would have thought he was a heartless LNP rep. Really showed up the non-choice we have at election time.”””

    tweets”””’Oh. Tonight the role of the government minister is being played by the Labor opposition spokesperson?

    #qanda

    — Josh Taylor (@joshgnosis) July 6, 2015

    The ALP’s flexible morality on asylum seekers and the virtual fascism of ‘Border Force’ is their death notice as a progressive party.

    #qanda

    — Mr Denmore (@MrDenmore) July 6, 2015

    Seems tonight is one of lessons taught and changes wrought. Tonight I have decided the ALP no longer will receive my vote.

    — Space Kommissionar (@SpaceKidette) July 6, 2015”””

    #armchair, l think it is a good thing that the teabag-lite/non-choice is being shown-up so often now-a-days, as the tweets show. l`ve noticed many say the same in comments on limited-news, my abc, crikey, sat-paper, guardian, smh. Tho l still reckon the pollies will continue to `not` listen, as the short odds bet.

  354. July 7, 2015 7:24 pm

    so””today is 10-year anniversary of uk metro bombing””’

    #is it just me teabags, or is it blatantly obvious to you too, that sydney metro getting rid of station-staff, and relying on `opal` credit-card-like ticketing system .. may not quite be a `smart` thing to do #lindt.cafe

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:41 pm

    Tho l still reckon the pollies will continue to `not` listen, as the short odds bet.

    That’s the problem, it’s not about what we want, it’s about what they are prepared to give us. They know they have this ‘democracy’ sewn up and one of them will get in while the other just waits their turn. We need to really shake them up, but we need an interested, politically savvy population to do that, not the sleepwalkers and gimme, gimme people.

    No matter what side of politics you favour, surely you have to agree about this government..

  356. July 7, 2015 7:47 pm

    tweet””Labor voted against the Greens amendments which would have allowed doctors to speak out .. #qanda .. Julian Burnside (@JulianBurnside) July 6, 2015”””

    #ln a blind guess, l will boldly predict

    #Teabags voted against the Greens amendments which would have allowed doctors to speak out

    #Am l correct.? #Teabag-lite.?

  357. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:53 pm

    I was waiting for it, the petulant little petals, if only they were as diligent about being a decent government as they are at not letting a perceived slight go unpunished. That infamous abbott glass jaw,

  358. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 7:54 pm

    This street/sea art appeals to me

  359. July 7, 2015 8:15 pm

    Given his recent torrential outpouring of Anti-ABC Rage (not that he hasn’t been perversely infatuated with dismantling the ABC for years, just that he’s really gone hysterical on it in the last month or so…I think he [wrongly] smells blood in the water- self affirmative logic and all that)…this bit of news is liable to make Herr Bolt shit his overalls.

    Expect an attack piece tomorrow…

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/turnbull-says-abc-ran-the-risk-on-mallah/story-e6frfku9-1227432763976

  360. July 7, 2015 8:16 pm

    From the link, in case it disappears…

    “COMMUNICATIONS Minister Malcolm Turnbull has not ruled out appearing on the next edition of the ABC’s controversial Q&A program.

    DESPITE a ban on coalition MPs from appearing on the show, the minister says it will depend on the circumstances.
    “Time will tell – stay tuned,” he told reporters in Sydney on Tuesday.”

  361. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:28 pm

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:33 pm

    I’ll have a look at that link boss!

    Turnbull does like to keep abbott and his ghouls guessing. Will he dare…won’t he…bastard!

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2015 8:36 pm

    Costello who never saw GFC coming

    Costello was not in power when the GFC happened. The person who did not see the GFC coming was Wayne Swan. In May 2008 Swan was preparing his first budget to fight inflation. A few months latter the GFC hit.

    I must admit i have never met a more dishonest people than ALP/Greens supporters.

  364. July 7, 2015 8:55 pm

    dunny””’recent torrential outpouring of Anti-ABC Rage”””

    dunny””perversely infatuated with dismantling the ABC for years””’

    #quite frankly dunny, l would love to see my abc pull the plug for 3-months around `walkley`-time (and-sbs) and watch fakebook jump from 11-12 million aussies to probably about 16-17 million, boost crikey, saturdaypaper, fairfax, pbs, france24, bbc, bittorrent, youtube and everywhere-else viewer ratings, and limited-news left with nothing to bleat about and only be left with their sponsor supplied `advertorial` bullshit, while their `own` viewer numbers go into free-fall.

  365. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2015 9:37 pm

    Q&A affair has become theatre of the absurd
    http://theconversation.com/qanda-affair-has-become-theatre-of-the-absurd-44370

    …Could Abbott have been oblivious to the irony? He and the government – together with News Corp – have been giving massive publicity to the program. And they are all going “over the top”. This is an exercise in obsessive behaviour and attempted bullying.

    News Corp is driven by ideological and commercial considerations…

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2015 10:26 pm

    ”… Shorten isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine …

    bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit..GUFFAW

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:08 am

    Shorten isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine

    Yeah i thought this was a joke but it appears TB is serious. Why are ALP supporters so deluded?

  368. public toilet permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:26 am

    Why is kneel such a monocular limpet.

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2015 7:27 am

    Because Labor supporters speak garbage. Shorten genuine? Well maybe he is. Who can forget Shorten going down into that mine in Tasmania, risking his life and carrying out those two miners on his back, saving the lives of two people and expecting no praise in return.

    What a man.

  370. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 7:29 am

    Why are ALP supporters so deluded?

    Probably because their leader goes to the pub to talk, not guzzle (not there’s anything wrong with that) 😉

  371. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:02 am

    Super is what needs fixing (more so than pensions) Have the Greens sold out the opportunity?

    In his June 23 column Craig Emerson argued that Labor’s decision to oppose tightening the superannuation assets test was opportunistic, likening it to the 1989 decision by the Hawke government to subsidise an Australian factory of doomed camera film company Kodak.

    But is Emerson right?…….

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/comprehensive-reform-not-piecemeal-populist-measures-needed-for-super-20150707-gi6o5u

  372. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:04 am

    With views like this, talcum will have to appear on qanda via video link, if dad lets him.

    Malcolm Turnbull has warned against over-hyping the threat posed by Islamic State, arguing it is important not to lend any credibility or currency to the grandiose “delusions” of the jihadists.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/07/malcolm-turnbull-we-must-not-amplify-threat-of-isis?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Just who’s side does he think he’s on?

  373. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:19 am

    “His skillset is doing the numbers, cutting deals and stabbing Prime Ministers. ”

    His skillset is doing the numbers, cutting deals with business by cutting back on his members wages and benefits in exchange for additional memberships so he can form a larger AWU block and so advance his political ambitions and of course stabbing Prime Ministers and giving drunken pub speeches promising even more government spending to his faithful.

    A bit of work to fix that but its now fixed Spatterbottom.

  374. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:35 am

    by cutting back on his members wages and benefits

    gotta link for that?

    None of his deals saw workers worst off. Just because he wasn’t demanding as much as other Unions (who’s projects fell flat we should add) doesn’t mean he was ripping off workers.

    Just thought I’d fix yer fix 😉

    Today’s his day it the witch hunt isn’t it? Although, I’m betting, there will still be “Questions to Answer”

    Here’s a question for someone to answer

    Would Greek be in the same state if they had our grocery code of conduct ROFL

    This is the real reason Greece has a massive tax evasion problem

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/this-is-the-real-reason-greece-has-a-massive-tax-evasion-problem-2015-2

    Here’s a chart below for the professions. In at least 5 sectors, including doctors and accountants, self-employed people are supposedly paying more than they earn on debt repayments every month:

    What is it with accountants being highly “subsidised” by taxpayers?

  375. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:38 am

    Yep, day of the (witch) hunt

    What Questions will they come up with tomorrow?

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jul/08/bill-shorten-fronts-the-trade-union-royal-commission-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw

  376. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:47 am

    Shorten’s answers will be just a collection of long winded bullshit rants about how his priority has always been the “worker”.

    And lots of

    “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo”

  377. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:47 am

    Lesson from Shorten – if you want industrial peace and cheaper wages, just cough up some money directly to the AWU.

  378. July 8, 2015 9:51 am
  379. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:53 am

    if you want industrial peace and cheaper wages,

    By cheaper, I think you mean higher than the going average 😉

    #justsayin 😉

    And lots of

    “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo”

    You mean when the “independent” Inquisitor starts making accusations rather than asking questions, as has been his wont.

    We have the opposition leader under the spotlight for non events years ago. Meanwhile, we have the press pack asking each other just what yabots answers are to important national questions like the Grexit and China without once actually pushing him to provide it himself.

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:54 am

    Perhaps I should have said …

    Abbott isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine …

    GUFFAW! 🙄

  381. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:56 am

    What a vacuous twat murphy can be

    My own view is the payments are certainly worthy of close scrutiny, and I get the interest in practices that might have inflated AWU membership numbers, but the re-prosecution of the industrial agreements that were negotiated by Shorten is a bit strange, for this old industrial reporter at least. These agreements were reported at the time and were made under the relevant federal law, which included a no-disadvantage test. The point of dealing with the AWU from the point of view of employers was it presented as a more constructive union that its rival, the CFMEU. This is a known known – but anyway, it would seem everything old is apparently new again, and perhaps there is some deep dark significance to this that will be revealed in the coming hours.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jul/08/bill-shorten-fronts-the-trade-union-royal-commission-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-559c432ee4b032a39a3bb138

    Yea, so vacuous twats like yourself can “opine” over deals you just explained were “known knowns”

    Yet the media twats play the grubmints smear for them, in the same way the Greens play the grubmints wedge for them.

  382. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:57 am

    This video has gone viral. They brought in some public pianos in Sarasota and a homeless man sat down to have a play!

  383. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:58 am

    lolz, theirabc, blocked out by buzzfeed ROFL

  384. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:01 am

    Abbott isn’t my favourite pollie but he is genuine …

    A genuine what though TB? 😉

  385. July 8, 2015 10:03 am

    I’m beginning to wonder whether Talcum’s planning his tilt at the leadership.

    Abbott has tried every trick in the book to resurrect the polls, but they’ve been consistently behind Labor on 2PP for the past 12 months…

    Talcum has the electorate behind him on SSM.

    Arguably the electorate are also sick and tired of Abbott’s hysteria about death cults.

    If Talcum defies Abbott and appears on QandA next week that will be quite telling.

    Talcum isn’t getting any younger, and if he wants to be PM one day (why else would he bother hanging around) he’s going to have to make a run for the top job sooner rather than later, lest he go down in history as just another Tip Costello…

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:11 am

    Nothing to see here… just a former union leader that took money from employers and gave them cheaper wages.

    But of course the discount wages had nothing to do with the payments …no, nothing, so move along.

    (by the way, Craig is innocent! It’s all a media beat-up. Think of the baby. He settled with Fairfax. Wait for the FWA investigation. No, they’re biased. Wait for the court case. Wait, he’s going to appeal. No, he’s still done nothing wrong, it’s the system’s fault)

  387. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:23 am

    Such a pity the RC is not televised in prime time. We could have had a drinking game.

    “I dont recall” ………………………………..Gulp

  388. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:24 am

    Woohoo, another two days of no questions for yabot

    and gave them cheaper wages.

    Really yomm, start backing that up, or stop lying.

    We could have had a drinking game.

    “You have bikies, don’t you” ROFL

  389. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:57 am

    Song for the day at #turc

  390. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:59 am

  391. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:07 am

    Shorten delivers TV grab and now breaks into cheshire grin… clearly enjoying himself now…

    I’m on days off and watching it, he’s drinking a lot of water.

  392. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:34 am

  393. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:34 am

    he’s drinking a lot of water.

    IT’S ON! 🙂

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:41 am

    A genuine what though TB? 😉

    I realised that would go over the heads of the RWNTJs here after I wrote it … glad someone caught it …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Talcum isn’t getting any younger, and if he wants to be PM one day (why else would he bother hanging around) he’s going to have to make a run for the top job sooner rather than later, lest he go down in history as just another Tip Costello…

    And if he won the knives would really be out … I’ve always believed that Utegate was set up to oust M Turncoat …

    In fact we would be no better off … another Rudd/Gillard/Rudd fiasco but in the Liberal camp … *

    Australia deserves better …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    I see ToM has set up his own Royal Commission again …
    .
    .
    .
    *And no matter how squeaky clean the LNP “supporters” try to paint the right wing pollies they are all sprayed with the same slippery shite!

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:47 am

    Now it’s time for malcolm to play while all tony’s eyes are also on TURC

  396. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2015 11:53 am

    I’ve always believed that Utegate was set up to oust M Turncoat …

    Deluded as usual. If true it would come out.There is no loyalty in politics. Just look at what the party of compassion do to each other.

    Gillard and Rudd head to head in The Breakfast Clubbing Season..

  397. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:02 pm

    Unions choose to be political targets because they own a political party.

  398. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:07 pm

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:08 pm

  400. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:11 pm

    Unions choose to be political targets because they take on a political party who wants to hurt workers

    So, when is the #turc turning it’s steely gaze on yabots empty declarations?

  401. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:11 pm

  402. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:16 pm

  403. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:20 pm

    Have another beer, Blib:

  404. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:49 pm

    Shorten’s pub appearance was described as his Martin Luther King Jr “moment” this morning

    LOL

  405. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:54 pm

    …Unions choose to be political targets because they own a political party…

    And when private corporations own a party?

    Isn’t it time we knew exactly who is donating what, right after it is donated, not years later?

    IPA channels funds to the LNP and their donor base is kept secret. Bernardi has a front company to channel funds, these receive money from the US Super PACS. It is all horrendously corrupt and should be cleaned up.

    Time for a RC into political donations and a federal ICAC.

  406. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:55 pm

  407. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 12:58 pm

  408. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:09 pm

  409. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:18 pm

  410. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:25 pm

    Has there been much media mention of the LNP mafia connections and political donations at all since 4 Corners?

  411. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:38 pm

    Mafia story front page SMH yesterday.

  412. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:39 pm

    LNP mafia connections

    shhhhh AO, we’re too busy finding out Shorten advanced workers conditions, and the libs trashed ’em 😉

  413. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 1:42 pm

    Mafia story front page SMH yesterday.

    Yes, but was there any mention of the link to the lbs? It was all about links to judges in Sydney from what I read. Happy to be proven wrong?

  414. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:06 pm

    It’s a class war all right, but from the top down.

    Paul Barry ‏@TheRealPBarry 14m14 minutes ago
    Paul Barry retweeted Alison McClymont
    I could never have investigated Alan Bond or 100 other stories if they’d done this

  415. July 8, 2015 2:20 pm

    Blib on the block…


    So Peter Lloyd, this appearance by Bill Shorten was highly anticipated. Do you think he was embarrassed, or caught short by any of the detail today?

    PETER LLOYD: He was, particularly on two matters; one, Kim, was that in May 2007 we’ve now seen an invoice raised by the AWU and sent to UniBuilt for 91 hours of work by Lance Wilson.

    It’s a bogus invoice. Lance Wilson wasn’t working for UniBuilt, he was working for Bill Shorten.

    When asked about this, he couldn’t explain it and the best expression Mr Shorten came up with was “I think the details are incomplete”.

    The second moment of potential embarrassment for Mr Shorten, which he’s having some difficulty explaining, although we’re currently in an adjournment, is this issue: that he didn’t make a declaration to the Australian Electoral Commission about Mr Wilson’s role in his campaign.

    And it wasn’t until, he said 144 hours ago from today, in other words this week – late last week – that the AEC was informed about the role of Mr Wilson in this election campaign.

    And today Mr Shorten said he takes ultimate responsibility for that.

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4269652.htm

  416. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:30 pm

    John Wren ‏@JohnWren1950 13m13 minutes ago

    I love it when #RWNJs like @MsGraceCollier advocate a free-market then want to place controls on how businesses spend their money. #auspol

    John Wren ‏@JohnWren1950 18m18 minutes ago
    John Wren retweeted Grace Collier

    Just how stupid & deluded are you Grace?

  417. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:30 pm

    “Yes, but was there any mention of the link to the lbs?”

    No. It seems SMH is rolling out the story and yesterdays’ focus was on crooked judges. SMH has covered the Libs and will probably cover Mafia influence with Labor as well.

    They did mention Mick Gatto yesterday but without noting his CMFEU links.

  418. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:36 pm

    All tweets, have copied because contain so many hyperlinks they just get caught up in reb’s spaminator

    Escalator to Nowhere ‏@escalator2nowhr 2h2 hours ago

    In 2007 and 2013 Abbott declared NO political donations. NONE.

    http://electiondisclosures.aec.gov.au/return/13745/FAD03/265.pdfhttp://electiondisclosures.aec.gov.au/RETURN/52/RTVA6.pdf … #turc #auspol

    John Wren
    ‏@JohnWren1950
    .@UndaSthnXiStand No but in this case,
    @TonyAbbottMHR has signed a stat dec, if untrue it’s perjury and a criminal offence. #auspol

    corporal ‏@fa078a2f38c645d 29m29 minutes ago
    @JohnWren1950 @UndaSthnXiStand @TonyAbbottMHR
    U R right. Stat Dec very serious legal document – yes, a criminal offence.

  419. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:40 pm

    “Just how stupid & deluded are you Grace?”

    Exactly the sort of comment expected from people (like Tom R) who have no interest in cleaning up union corruption.

    That is the sort of one-eyed shite we have to put up with. It’s either no corruption here or this is a witch hunt or the Libs are worse, all laced with smears and abuse. Even when there is grudging acceptance of some corruption it is trivialised and there is no thought of reform. Even the relatively innocuous proposal to subject union execs to the same level of disclosure as company execs was voted down by the corrupt mongrelocracy called the ALP and their Green lackeys.

  420. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:41 pm

    Oh wow! Now the birthers come out.

  421. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:51 pm

  422. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:52 pm

    In fact there are (electoral) disclosure laws and Blib has, 7 years too late, finally gotten round to making the disclosure (after he found out the TURC was on to him).

    Union members need to be informed of all benefits their so-called representatives receive from all sources. But the ALP and the Greens would prefer to have that sort of detail kept secret.

  423. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 2:57 pm

    …Exactly the sort of comment expected from people (like Tom R) who have no interest in cleaning up union corruption…

    I want all the corruption cleaned up and that means from both sides, both parties are rolling in the muck. It is beneath contempt and a total hypocrisy that one side will hold a very expensive RC simply to destroy their political opponents, knowing full well that they have the same questions to answer and to be held accountable for.

  424. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:16 pm

    “It is beneath contempt and a total hypocrisy that one side will hold a very expensive RC simply to destroy their political opponents”

    My attitude is to be happy that corruption is being exposed AND to call for more inquiries.

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:25 pm

  426. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:31 pm

    My attitude is to be happy that corruption is being exposed AND to call for more inquiries.

    While safe in the knowledge that it won’t happen re LNP.

  427. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:31 pm

  428. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:41 pm

    “That is the sort of one-eyed shite we have to put up with. It’s either no corruption here or this is a witch hunt or the Libs are worse, all laced with smears and abuse. Even when there is grudging acceptance of some corruption it is trivialised and there is no thought of reform.”

    Exactly.

    Kathy Jackson did the right thing with the HSU and telling everyone about its inner workings to help bring Williamson and Thomson down.

    She should be applauded for doing so yet TomR and his willing bunch of nutjobs like Catching Up etc called her everything . Whether there was corruption of not in THEIR Left side of politics was totally irrelevant to a snitch.

    Now that she’s heading under a legal bus of her own making herself I say……… “good that’s justice get rid of all corruption”. Dont expect me to defend her

    But TomR and his brainless herd say…………………. “good that’s revenge”

    They dont give a flying fuck about the corruption element

  429. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:49 pm

    “While safe in the knowledge that it won’t happen re LNP.”

    So your view is that Unionland corruption (apart from Kathy Jackson) should be ignored until the Libs are skewered to your satisfaction? It appears that you are driven by spite and revenge. You would rather Unionland corruption go unpunished. This is what happens when you are so committed to one side. First you lose perspective, then objectivity and then all sense of reality.

  430. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 3:53 pm

    History repeats.

    The return of Helen Demidenko: from literary hoaxer to political operator:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/08/the-return-of-helen-demidenko-on-culture-war-and-the-value-of-truth

    …Revisiting the Demidenko affair, one of the defining culture wars of the 1990s, can help us understand the return of its protagonist to public life…

    …Free market libertarianism prizes freedom, understood primarily as the freedom to buy or sell. It puts no particular value on truth. Thus, in our neoliberal age, there will always be opportunities for people prepared to make stuff up…

  431. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:11 pm

    No. It seems SMH is rolling out the story and yesterdays’ focus was on crooked judges.

    Yea, mafia paying off senior libs, no big deal … right 😉

    But Shorten gets called to #turc, demand his resignation ROFL

    Now the birthers come out.

    The difference has been explained to you, but go on, just keep ignoring reality, and making shit up

    finally gotten round to making the disclosure

    WOOHOO

    So this is what the $millions are for …….??

    Kathy Jackson did the right thing with the HSU

    ROFL

    So your view is that Unionland corruption (apart from Kathy Jackson) should be ignored

    My view is this witch hunt has done NOTHING to expose corruption. The corruption in Unions, on the rare occasions it is found, is found by Union members, not political witch hunts.

    And anything with Thomson is so covered in the muck, filth and set ups from people who have been exposed to be far worst than anything they attacked him for as to be irrelevant in my opinion. I know a set up when I see one. The fact the oz is turning now on those they used for the set up doesn’t change what it was, just re-inforces the rule not to lay down with dogs.

  432. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:13 pm

    You would rather Unionland corruption go unpunished.

    I want both sides to be punished for the right reasons, getting rid of corruption and cronyism, not the lopsided, politically motivated attack that we are witnessing right now.

    In regards to kathy jackson, your side is quite happy to have any possible union corruption exposed [even go digging back 25 yrs for it] but don’t say a word about jackson when, as it turns out, she is just as bad as the rest. AND ‘the important thing is’ [learned that from tony abbott’s repetitions] she is being shielded and protected by the very organisation and system that was used against the unions. The FWC is now politicised. Plus, the abhorrent, abbott appointed michael lawler, whose absolute corruption and collusion with abbott/LNP should now be investigated by the AFP, but once again, it won’t be. The libs never face the consequences of their own corrupt dealings.

    I am really tired of seeing only one side being dragged through the courts or media for something that we all know that they both do. If you can’t relate to that then I am happy to say that it is you that would rather see LNPland go unpunished than have all corruption exposed.

  433. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:18 pm

    Wow, who woulda thought, MORE Questions To Answer!

  434. July 8, 2015 4:23 pm

    “”anything with Thomson is so covered in the muck, filth and set ups from people who have been exposed to be far worst than anything they attacked him for “”

    It’s a set up!

    He’s innocent…!

    I wonder why his lawyer said he’s guilty then……….?

    “”I’ve suffered enough!””

  435. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:28 pm

    I wonder why his lawyer said he’s guilty then……….?

    To end the carnival of cringe is my guess. How many times can a judge find you guilty incorrectly?

  436. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:32 pm

    “If you can’t relate to that then I am happy to say that it is you that would rather see LNPland go unpunished than have all corruption exposed.”

    On the contrary, I was very happy to see 10 Lib MPs go to the cross benches and the vigor with which ICAC pursued the Libs. And I want a Federal ICAC to investigate shady deals at the Federal level.

    But equally you should be happy that the TURC is exposing rotten practices and you should be seething with rage that the Greens and the ALP joined together to stop proper disclosure obligations being placed on Union officials.

  437. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:36 pm

    The reason Tom R is so defensive of Thomson is that he knows that Thommo wasn’t the worst of it, just business a usual in Unionland.

  438. July 8, 2015 4:37 pm

    “”How many times can a judge find you guilty incorrectly?””

    The Courts are part of the conspiracy!

  439. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:39 pm

    I liked the Demidenko piece, KL.

    It showed, as is usual when these two go head to head, that Hendo gets it right and Marr makes a fool of himself.

  440. July 8, 2015 4:39 pm
  441. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:46 pm

    This is what happens when you are so committed to one side. First you lose perspective, then objectivity and then all sense of reality.

    Gurgle! LOL!

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:48 pm

    … political fundraising ceremony observed in the wild.

    Is that Georgie Pell in the red dress …

  443. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 4:48 pm

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 5:02 pm

    Another 30 yo Baby Boomer making life hard for Gen X and Y oh, wait?

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/dont-buy-into-housing-bubble-bullst-says-property-tycoon-nathan-birch/story-fndban6l-1227433934754

  445. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2015 5:17 pm

    “……..have been exposed to be far worst than anything they attacked him for as to be irrelevant in my opinion. I know a set up when I see one. ……..”

    ROFLMAO

    And just just about says it all when anyone is debating TomR

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2015 5:51 pm

    State of Orange tonight …

    GO MAROONS!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2015 6:18 pm

    TB, you can’t be serious. Raghead Fitzsimons says the Blues are going to win and that is good enough for me!

  448. July 8, 2015 6:29 pm

    l don`t hold any hope of `either` team cleaning-out their infestation of corruption armchair, it`s a large part of why l dislike both of`em. Like reb, l thought mr-talkbull may be leader-tilting with his recent anti-`death-cult` speech, until l remembered most of the teabags dislike him. For my guess, mr-talkbull will remain as one of credlin`s puppets and not go on qandaland, nor make a spill.

  449. July 8, 2015 6:36 pm

    sbs news reported, workers were paid less than `award` under deal arranged with blib .. if this is correct .. it`s fcuked

  450. July 8, 2015 7:03 pm

    l find this interesting, from,

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4269652.htm

    ””’It was revealed that a labour-hire company that did business with the AWU was paying the wages of Mr Shorten`s campaign director.””’

    ”””Now instead of hiring him directly through the union,”””

    ”””KIM LANDERS: So what is this company, UniBuilt?

    PETER LLOYD: It’s a labour-hire company.”””

    #hey teabags, don`t let the lefties give you any guff over work-choices, the alp and unions have sold-out the garden-variety worker and brought-in workchoice-lite-like, slave-like fcuking rubbish for the bottom earners, and scams via dole-office. More to come.

  451. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 7:14 pm

    James Packer, John Howard and Cardinal George Pell part of secret Chartwell Society
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/james-packer-john-howard-and-cardinal-george-pell-part-of-secret-chartwell-society/story-fni0cx12-1226655030082

    A parallel universe of political moral relativity
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/a-parallel-universe-of-political-moral-relativity-20150708-gi7yap

  452. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 7:31 pm

    This anti-vaxxer police sergeant must have difficulty doing his job properly, can’t see #shaken baby syndrome.

  453. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 9:17 pm

  454. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2015 10:07 pm

    46-6 and qld are still playing like they are desperate for a try!
    Are the blues playing?

  455. public toilet permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:06 am

    Go England!

  456. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 8:45 am

    #hey teabags, don`t let the lefties give you any guff over work-choices

    Again, you reveal your partisan ignorance whilst still pretending not to barrack. In all the uproar about a donation not recorded, the media (and you) seem to have missed the bit that workchoices actually DID lower peoples working conditions, which is where you got your earlier misinformation “workers were paid less than `award`” that you lamely tried to run with, even the media seem to have caught onto that, and will avoid it like hte plague I assume.


    You accept, don’t you, that certainly in June 2015 casual employees would be vastly better off under the award than continuing to be under the 2006 Agreement?

    ……

    Q. No, I’m asking you to compare what the position would have been as at 4 June 2015 —
    A. To 2006.

    …….

    I agree. And at PN83 the AWU’s submission is that the 2006 Agreement by 2015 had become outdated, obviously that’s true, and the 2006 Agreement I don’t imagine was ever designed to last for nine years. I agree with the Union’s proposition on that. Also, back in 2006, Labor hadn’t won an election and improved the workplace laws, which is the foundation of the start of the 2010 Award, so I agree completely.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/8-July-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    So Shorten STILL got a better deal for his workers, it was just that it was under vastly worst conditions for workers all round (thanks libs). Labor fixed that though when they got into power, again.

    Will the real Bill Shorten please stand up?

    Do they mean the one who stood up for Automotive workers and Submarine workers to try and protect those jobs from yabots destruction? The one who offered up two resounding budget replies the media somehow willfully ignored? Or all of his doorstops where he got on the front foot and highlighted the failings of the grubmint? Or are they sticking to the cherry picked pieces where he isn’t on top of his game, where he comes across a bit flat or reserved because of the obvious wedges being applied by the libs in concert with the Greens and the media?

    I’m guessing it’s those Cherry picked ones. 😉

    I also note it was dragonista that linked to the story. The same one who had this shit up drooling over entrails before any actual news came out, just hoping and praying for a smokin gun, or even some rare meat. The media, still doing the hard yards for yabots witch hunt

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten might not have to be caught red-handed to be damaged by the union royal commission’s inquisition. If he slips up on a key detail, his party will lose whatever faith they still have in him.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-08/matthewson-bill-shorten-feels-the-slow-burn-of-royal-commission/6604484

  457. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:12 am

    “Violent assault on this little boy. Ex @QPSmedia Sgt Savage claims vaccines did it”

    What a disgusting and revolting excuse for a human being the boyfiend and the cop are

  458. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:14 am

    “The same one who had this shit up drooling over entrails before any actual news came out, just hoping and praying for a smokin gun, or even some rare meat.”

    So why did Bilby go to all that trouble of disguising the employment as something that it clearly was not.

    Talk about “Shifty Shorten”

  459. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:16 am

    Wind Farms are soooooo ugly 😯

  460. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:19 am

    So why did Bilby go to all that trouble of disguising the employment as something that it clearly was not.

    Perhaps read the transcript to clear it up fer yaself 😉

    Laura Tingle clears it up simply

    A considerate government cleared the airwaves of any distractions so that we could all tune in undistracted.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/a-parallel-universe-of-political-moral-relativity-20150708-gi7yap?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-14omn0055-optim-nnn:nonpaid-27/06/2014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-afr-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter

  461. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:33 am

    Good to see that loyal servant of the ALP, Finkelfuckwit, is appearing pro bono for Little Billy Two Knives.

    I realise Blib can’t be expected to know about the employment arrangements of his own campaign director, or why a sham contract was signed for that campaign director to provide services to Unibilt, but I’d like to know why.

    The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Unions should not be able to fund the election campaigns of former officials, especially when they are just stepping out of their union role to a safe Labor seat. Not only is this customary these days, it is emblematic of Labor’s inner rottenness.

    And as for the company Blib keeps, I wonder why Unibilt Pty Ltd who, for no apparent reason other than the goodness of their hearts, gave $40k to Blib just when they were negotiating with his former union who were also funding his campaign?

    And I wonder what connection Unibilt Pty Ltd has with Unibuilt Pty Ltd which went insolvent? Looks like Blib was flying with a phoenix.

    But no need to worry, La Tingle assures us there is nothing to see here. She has moved beyond arse-licker and brown-nose to brown head and very soon she will, like Tom R, be covered in slimy ALP shit from head to toe – and loving it.

  462. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:39 am

    lol, after deleting their tweet yesterday, today, theoz jumps back into #watergate

    But his demeanour answering questions about the Unibilt deal betrayed his “nothing to see here’’ rhetoric.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/caught-off-guard-bill-shorten-leaves-a-nation-hanging/story-fn59noo3-1227434365290?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Twitter

    Yep, nothing to see here, so it’s his “demeanour” (from a demeanour specialist I assume?)

    But wait, there’s more

    Shorten appeared to be caught off guard by the line of attack taken by counsel assisting
    Well duh, wasn’t the witch hunt looking for Union corruption, not people forgetting to process papers (shall we list the libs long list of failure at this that would put this into some perspective?)

    Cue a nervous reach for a glass of water, before Shorten admitted that he had not initially revealed this donation-in-kind in his declaration to the Australian Electoral Commission, only rectifying this days before he was about to appear before the commission. It was the most damaging mome­nt for Shorten in what was a day-long, bruising battle with Stoljar.

    WOW $80 million to uncover a undeclared donation ……………..

    ROFL. Now that’s value for money.

    Unions should not be able to fund the election campaigns of former officials

    Why not?

  463. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:44 am

    or why a sham contract was signed

    Are you sure “sham” is the word you are looking for. Because, if so, pretty much our entire political system is a “sham”

    (not saying that it isn’t, but then why highlight just one?)

  464. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:50 am

    “Why not?”

    It is a corrupt benefit. It is the same thing as using union funds to fund your own union election campaign, or your mate’s campaign in another union. It is bad enough that careerist cunts like Shorten (and half of caucus) use unions as source of political power, but to make members pay for them to take the next step up the ladder is just pissing in their faces.

    Anyway you should be glad Shorten is being exposed by the RC. It enhances the ALP’s chances of getting rid of him before the next election. After all he is the only possible reason Labor could lose!

  465. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:52 am

    Your link to Tingle’s examples simply illustrates lateness in disclosing donations by both parties.

    But this is an example of a Union official, supposedly negotiating with an employer on behalf of his members, receiving an indirect cash benefit (and going out of his way to disguise it) to further his POLITICAL not Union career.

    Did someone throw the carcass of a 7 day dead cat on Bill’s desk because something stinks around “Shifty Shorten”

    Something about …………………”Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion”

  466. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:53 am

    “After all he is the only possible reason Labor could lose!”

    Yep

    I truly hope he has a better day today LOL………………Abbott needs him

  467. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:54 am

    It is a corrupt benefit.

    Or it is an organisation whose purpose it is to advance workers rights using it’s resources to help get elected a person whose primary focus is to advance workers rights.

    You know, the same way miners pay the libs millions of dollars to advance their interests.

    I know which scenario I am more content with. And the outcome

  468. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:57 am

    “She has moved beyond arse-licker”

    She has her tongue firmly planted so far up Bill’s arse she can make his head nod.

  469. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:57 am

    After all he is the only possible reason Labor could lose!

    What a load of shit. Whichever person was leading Labor would be getting the same mud slinging treatment. It is the modus of the libs and their media tarts.

    Something about …………………”Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion”

    Or the daughter, and her $60,000 scholarship. But to the media, that’s all OK, but Shorten fails to declare something, HE MUST GO!

    ROFL

  470. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 9:59 am

    “Are you sure “sham” is the word you are looking for.”

    Sham is exactly the word I was looking for:

    noun: sham; plural noun: shams

    1. a thing that is not what it is purported to be.

    It was a sham because Lance Wilson was not a “research officer” for Unibilt and was never intended to be one. He was Shifty Shorten’s campaign director.

  471. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:01 am

    La Tingle assures us there is nothing to see here.

    Probably because there isn’t. 😉

  472. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:07 am

    “research officer” is a description used everywhere in these situations I think you will find.

  473. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:09 am

    This is what happens when you field a gang of thugs against a professional football team in State of Orange …

    NSW Thugs 2 …… QLD Footballers 52

  474. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:13 am

    “…….but Shorten fails to declare something, HE MUST GO!”

    See you just dont get it

    Its not about failure to declare its about dressing something up as something else and a clear conflict of interest.

    By the way Bob Hogg has called upon Shorten to resign

  475. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:16 am

    Its not about failure to declare

    Actually, I think you will find that even theoz agree that’s ALL it is about.

    By the way Bob Hogg has called upon Shorten to resign

    Well, that settles it then ROFL

  476. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:21 am

    “Certain blokes in the ALP who want to curl up in a foetal position as soon as the going gets tough should do it quietly in the corner”

    So TomR tweets a former Premier who presided over the most corrupt government any Australian state has ever seen to support his case.

    Hillarious !

  477. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:25 am

    who presided over the most corrupt government

    I think you’ll find that she was dumped in that position AFTER all the corruption and the clean up had begun.

    #justsayin

    But keep lying in order to help run yabots smear campaign for him. It’s all you’ve got, so go hard 😉

  478. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:26 am

    ““research officer” is a description used everywhere in these situations I think you will find.”

    So what. Lance was never intended to be a research officer and certainly not for Unibilt. The document was a sham, but as you suggest, business as usual in Unionland.

    I think Shifty Shorten said it best:

    “The truth is Mr Wilson was working for me, Unibilt knew that, the union knew that, my campaign knew that.”

  479. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:26 am

  480. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:31 am

    “I think you’ll find that she was dumped in that position AFTER all the corruption and the clean up had begun.”

    I think you’ll find that Reece was rolled and Keneally was appointed by Tripodi and the forces of corruption precisely because Nathan Reece tried to clean things up and relegated Tripodi to the back bench.

    #wiseupsucker

  481. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:32 am

    “The truth is Mr Wilson was working for me, Unibilt knew that, the union knew that, my campaign knew that.”

    But did the Union members know that……………………………………….?

    Borrowing the words of Bilby

    “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!”

  482. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:33 am

    I’ll only put this up because your obvious respect splattered arse 😉

  483. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:41 am

    But did the Union members know that

    hmm, you reckon Union members don’t know they are aligned with Labor? 😯

  484. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:46 am

    What was being kept from the union members was the cosy relationship between the union and Unibilt and Shifty and the fact that Unibilt was paying off Shifty.

  485. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:51 am

    ROFL

  486. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:56 am

    Shifty Shorten is having trouble with some invoices for work on reports that now cannot be located………………….or never existed…………….take ya pick

    LOL

  487. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:04 am

    Shifty Shorten is having trouble with some invoices for work on reports that now cannot be located

    These ones? ROFL

  488. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:10 am

    No………………the ones whilst he was there

  489. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:17 am

    On a different topic, I am in awe of the ability of the market to provide for every want and need.

  490. July 9, 2015 11:18 am

    for clarity team-cheerer,

    sbs news reported,””workers were paid less than `award` under deal arranged with blib””

    bagz””IF this is correct .. it`s fcuked””

    #sorry team-cheerer, forgot my usual `#`, notice l said `IF` and does not intend to imply `team-alignment`, as l have none.

    #what l am noticing, is there does seem to be a lot of `back-door` workchoice-like activity going on. Under both teams. Via `labor-hire`.

    #dole-office work-for-dole `labor-hire` ponzi-jobs.

    #qld tpp investment(sell-off) to china, with `labor-hire` from china attached clauses.

    #just how is dunny`s work `agreements` in the canoe-state going by the way

    #4corners report of dodgy backpacker `labor-hire` slaves.

    #maybe the non-aligned have something valuable to say, the `team-aligned`, not so much.

    (just as l don`t expect team-nanny-roxon to acknowledge Leyton`s comment on black-market baccy, with Lambie and xeno at press club, the other week)

  491. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:22 am

    the ones whilst he was there

    These ones?

  492. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:25 am

    By the way Bob Hogg has called upon Shorten to resign

    I hope he doesn’t. The only chance the Coalition has of winning the next election is with Shorten the leader of the ALP.

    After Rudd/Gillard this country could not take another Labor govt for at least 20 years

  493. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:26 am

    team drongo said **^#%(*@*(&#$()(*)(@*#$*()$$

    Get a fucken interpreter dimwit

  494. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:30 am

    The only chance the Coalition has of winning the next election is with Shorten the leader of the ALP.

    Are the polls telling you this? 🙂

  495. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:32 am

    …Its not about failure to declare its about dressing something up as something else and a clear conflict of interest….

    Like deliberately organising a ‘meeting/appearance’ at the same place as your weddings, sporting events and your personal visits so that you can be ‘entitled’ to claim travel allowance?

    So much of this goes on throughout the world of business and politics, I think the accountants/auditors in this country must be very slack or very corrupt or the rules are deliberately designed to provide plenty of loopholes.

    Talking about conflict of interest:

    A FWC working to keep his partner’s assets away from reach of the members.

    Michael Lawler may beat HSU to Kathy Jackson spoils:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/michael-lawler-may-beat-hsu-to-kathy-jackson-spoils/story-fn59noo3-1227434194479

    …Fair Work Commission vice-president Michael Lawler has placed a legal caveat on the home he shares with Kathy Jackson, in a move that could rank him as a creditor ahead of the Health Servic­es Union, which is attempt­ing to recover $1.6 million in funds it claims Ms Jackson misappropriated to fund a lavish lifestyle.

    Mr Lawler instigated the caveat two weeks ago, on the same day he gave evidence to the Federal Court that the couple’s property dealings were not intended to block the HSU’s pursuit of Ms Jackson’s asset­s.

    …Mr Lawler has been on fully paid sick leave for nine months of the past year and in recent weeks has been drawn closer into the financ­ial saga that has ensnared Ms Jackson…

    …In the past week, the federal government has increased its interest in Mr Lawler’s activities, with the office of Employment Minister Eric Abetz seeking and obtaining a copy of Mr Lawler’s affidavit to the Federal Court..

  496. July 9, 2015 11:35 am

    some-teabag”””’I am in awe of the ability of the market to provide for every want and need.”””’

    #except for the things it doesn`t

    #good governance, both govt and corporate,

    #national-needs, like health for the masses,

    #environment, just pollute everything,

    #people/citizens, ahh fcuk them too

  497. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:42 am

    paul murray has a cry about being called out for the partisan hack he is. What a dick

  498. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:42 am

    Shorter KL: LOOK. OVER. THERE.

  499. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:56 am

    LOOK. OVER. THERE.

    Yea, a real news item is happening

    Best get back to witch hunt quick smart 😉

  500. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:29 pm

    I just watched the commissioner take a swipe at Shorten for answering with … “yes, no, I don’t remember” … saying Stoljar “has a plan” which “might or might not work” but he “needs more detail” for his plan … WTF!

  501. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:30 pm

    …By the way Bob Hogg has called upon Shorten to resign…

    Yeah, but there would be old hatreds there. Bob is married to maxine mckew isn’t he? she’s still a staunch defender of rudd. I quite like bob hogg [the little I’ve heard from him] myself.

    I also believe that rudd should never have been rolled and if shorten is shown to have been shonky in any way, then he needs to go quickly and quietly, so abbott can’t run his election campaign on anti-union and union corruption attacks.

    The sneaky approval of the Shenhua Watermark coalmine has just shown rural people how useless their national party representation is within the coalition.

  502. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:41 pm

    Two wrongs don’t make the right innocent sb, and unless we’re willing to look for and stamp out all corruption, this is a political stitch-up.

    Union corruption is no unique species of evil:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-11/karp-union-corruption/5879738

    …Most of all, the submissions show that corruption in unions is no different to corruption anywhere else – except in the way it is being treated by conservative governments…

    …The body count has been so low some in the media room took to joking about being assigned to cover NSW ICAC, where it reached double digits with 12 state or federal Liberal MPs who have resigned or stood aside. Maybe that’s why the royal commission asked for an extension – hoping for a better second innings.

    Genuine corruption and criminality is only half the commission’s work. The other half is persecuting unions for driving too hard a bargain or making employers contribute financially to the union. Hearings have been held into the evils of unions raising funds through events like the CFMEU’s AFL grand final day breakfast, or the Maritime Union of Australia (MUA) securing sponsorship from companies to hold its state conference. That was “buying industrial peace”, which was a very bad thing we were told.

    Meanwhile, voters are asked to believe patrons of Joe Hockey’s North Sydney Forum paid up to $22k a year because they really liked Joe’s company and the chicken or fish served in a hotel conference room. Nothing to do with influence or access…

  503. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:43 pm

    Shorter SB: LOOK. ONLY. THERE.

  504. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:54 pm

  505. July 9, 2015 1:33 pm

    agree teebz, a windsor verses bananasby, new-england head to head over the water table and food security will be very, very, interesting.

    #go.windsor

  506. July 9, 2015 1:35 pm

    quite frankly, l would enjoy seeing the ex-teabumpkin bury alive the current teabumpkin, and hopeful future teabumpkin leader:-)

  507. July 9, 2015 2:40 pm
  508. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 4:54 pm

    HOW THE ROBBER BARONS PLAY WHEN THE GOING GETS TUFF!

    As Californians face extreme pressure to slash water use, a rift has opened up between the ordinary folk and their celebrity neighbours, as damning aerial pictures emerged of their lush green lawns.

    Reality star Kim Kardashian was ordered to cut water use at her sprawling Hidden Hills estate by 50 per cent as neighbours complained of flouting the water rules.

    “The Kardashian flowers and hedges are right in our face,” one resident told The New York Post in May. “It’s disgusting. You walk by and you can smell the freshness.”

    Jennifer Lopez, Barbra Streisand and Hugh Hefner have also been accused of ignoring restrictions as the rest of the state dries up.

    The problem has spawned a #droughshaming movement on Twitter and Selleck is the latest target.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/tom-selleck-accused-of-stealing-truckloads-of-water-as-california-withers-under-crippling-drought/story-fn907478-1227434555617

    Wake Up Australia!

  509. September 4, 2015 10:42 pm

    Well said `Laura Tharion`

    igor””It is a sign that we humans have not learned anything””#agree

    #it is quite sickening that `our` invasion results in children having to flee by boat to try and survive us drone-bombing them, but if we catch them we stick them in a gulag.

    #ditto armchair, the war horrors of all types should be shown to the public, l`ve never agreed with teh-usa led blanket media black-outs of coffins or collateral, nor having `embedded-media` which gives military `editorial-control` of reporting. Yes, our drongos are doing it too.

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