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July 9, 2015

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Opposition leader Bilbo Hootspeak is facing a Royal Commission into so-called Union Corruption.

Mr Shorten drinking water, is facing allegations that he failed to declare a $40,000 donation to his 2007 election campaign.

Commissioner John Heydon QC is finding the enquiry hard going, struggling to land any sort of killer blow.

Frustrated by his own conduct, Mr Heydon turned on Mr Shorten accusing him of deliberately delaying progress of the enquiry.

“I think it is partly your fault that we are proceeding rather slowly through the material,” he said.

This, despite the fact that Blib is really just there to answer questions.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:46 am

    The commissar laboriously drones on to Shorten about laboriously droning on. What a fucken farce. Basically, he is telling him, do not explain your answers, they just might explain your actions 😯

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:59 am

    Shorten is a master of not answering questions and trundling out talking points instead. It works well enough on the ABC or Fairfax where you have a compliant media. But if you try it in court or at the RC, the proper assumption is that you are being evasive, that you had an opportunity to answer a question and that your failure to take that opportunity is a relevant consideration to be taken into account when assessing your credibility.

    Loved this gem:

    Stoljar: Can you just give me a yes or no answer?
    Shorten: no

  3. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:07 pm

    Stoljar: Can you just give me a yes or no answer?
    Shorten: no

    lol

    Gets in a Zinger in the witch hunt

    It works well enough on the ABC or Fairfax where you have a compliant media.

    ROFL

    This is the same media who spent the other day wondering if yabot had answered them or not, and are today crucifying Shorten FOR answering, but with too much detail ROFL

  4. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:10 pm

    Much more hilarity from the #GetShorten brigade

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:16 pm

    Tom R your persistent attempts to suggest that the ABC and Fairfax are anti-Labor show why you are a Master Troll. In fact both organisations bash the Libs all of the time, support Labor most of the time and only every criticise Labor form an extreme leftist (i.e. Greens) vantage point.

    Labor are big supporters of the ABC because it is a valuable propaganda asset for them. Libs detest it for the same reason. Ordinary decent people detest it because a valuable public asset has been colonised and exploited b y a leftist cabal.

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:25 pm

    Hogg is just another union corruptocrat. But he seems to have a little more principle than Shifty Shorten.

  7. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:32 pm

    you are a Master Troll

    Why, thank you, I think 😯

    So, the paper that called for Shortens resignation, and the public broadcaster that pretended that they were speaking on behalf of the libs on qanda, not gunning for Labor

    ROFL

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:36 pm

    Please let Shorten remain Leader of the ALP. The party of sex appeal may vote a leader that will deceive the Australian people like Rudd did. Although it looks like most Australians these days are easy to deceive.

  9. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:37 pm

    “Mr Shorten drinking water, is facing allegations that he failed to declare a $40,000 donation to his 2007 election campaign.”

    That’s not water he’s gulping…………he’s drowning in his own sweat

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:39 pm

    … show why you are a Master Troll

    sb, after reading your comments for a few months and TR’s for a number of years, I know who the troll is …

    Ordinary decent people detest it because a valuable public asset has been colonised and exploited b y a leftist cabal.

    And now you are making stuff up … according to recent polls that is just not true … what is it with tories … aggressive, deceptive, manipulative …

    But he seems to have a little more principle than Shifty Shorten.

    And that certainly demonstrates your understanding of the union movement …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just watched the commissioner take a swipe at Shorten for answering with … “yes, no, I don’t remember” … saying Stoljar “has a plan” which “might or might not work” but he “needs more detail” for his plan … WTF!

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:49 pm

    “And that certainly demonstrates your understanding of the union movement … “

    I know, I know. It is ridiculous to suggest any of the Unionland bosses have any principle other than self-interest.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:49 pm

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 12:57 pm

    Sorry, didn’t realise we had a new thread.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/02/rostrum-22/#comment-109687
    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/02/rostrum-22/#comment-109691

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:03 pm

    TB I think the bit you are referring to is in this section:

    “Are you evading my question,” Mr Stoljar asked, prompting Mr Heydon to intervene.

    Mr Heydon said Mr Stoljar had been “indulgent” of Mr Shorten’s answers and then delivered an extraordinary rebuke.

    “A lot of your answers are non-responsive, some are responsive but then add something that isn’t responsive,” Mr Heydon said.

    “You, if I can be frank about it, have been criticised in the newspapers in the last few weeks and I think it’s generally believed that you have come here in the hope you will be able to rebut that criticism or a lot of it.

    “I’m not very troubled about that though I can understand that you are and it’s legitimate for you to use this occasion to achieve your ends in that regard.

    “What I’m concerned about more is your credibility as a witness. A witness – and perhaps your self-interest as a witness as well – a witness who answers each question yes, no, I don’t remember or clarifies the question and so on gives the cross-examiner very little material to work with.

    “It’s in your interest to curb these to some extent extraneous answers. Mr Stoljar has a plan, plans may succeed or they may fail but he’s entitled to pursue it.

    “Another aspect of your self-interest that worries me is this – you are obviously an extremely busy person. You, as of the start of yesterday it was contemplated you’d be here yesterday, today and some other occasion probably late August or early September, but it may partly be Mr Stoljar’s fault but I think it is partly your fault that we are proceeding rather slowly through the material.

    “Now, you don’t have to accept what I am saying to you. It is offered, as it were, ex-gratia with a view to the vindication and prosecution, as it were, of your own interests as a witness here so I think to be frank – and I’m open to persuasion to the contrary, this is only a prima facie view formed on the spur of the moment – these questions he’s been asking you about discussions with Mr [Stephen] Sasse [a Thiess executive], about the payment of $100,000 a year plus GST or the payment of some sum directly to the union you said you don’t remember and I think you said you didn’t positively remember and he said, “But you can’t deny it,” and that triggered another of these long answers.

    “I think we all understand that by 2007/2008 – by 2008 you were completely out of it, by 2007 you were substantially out of Victorian affairs but I do think some concentration on your part on giving a proper answer, as full an answer as the question demands but no more than that, is in your self-interest and it’s something Mr Stoljar is entitled to.”

    He is saying that Stoljar is entitled to pursue a line of questioning and if Shifty Shorten doesn’t give direct answers it will hurt his credibility.

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:08 pm

    KL, when shonky dealings of any party are exposed I focus on them. Your approach depends on which side is under the spotlight. If it is your mob you run interference for them.

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:09 pm

    I do not need to study the evidence. Shorten is leader of the ALP therefore he must be corrupt. The ALP of today is totally different from the ALP of the 1940’s, 50’s

  17. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:11 pm

    and then delivered an extraordinary rebuke.

    Considering his past performances, there was nothing “extraordinary ” about it.

    He was just as combative with Gillard if you will recall. Especially when you consider he is supposed to be the commissionaire, not the bully boy

    doesn’t give direct answers

    Perhaps he should be more attentive to the directness of the questions. As I showed on the other thread, so many are unrelated, yet they are demanding answers. They actually badger Shorten yesterday over handwriting which wasn’t his, and his answer “I don’t know whose it is”

  18. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:13 pm

    I do not need to study the evidence.

    nil IS heydon 😯

    when shonky dealings of any party are exposed I focus on them.

    ROFL (noting the master of “look over there”)

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:18 pm

    Tom R, I’ll have you know I went through the whole ICAC hearings on Lib funding corruption and criminality without once looking over there (which in the case of NSW Labor is a pretty big target) precisely because I did not want to dilute my criticism of the Libs.

  20. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:21 pm

    Why heydons “yes no” answer sook is just fucken stoopid. Here’s a hint, don’t ask questions laden with assumptions of wrongdoing, ask questions directly.

  21. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:47 pm

    I went through the whole ICAC hearings on Lib funding corruption and criminality without once looking over there

    I believes ya, truly I does 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/25/rostrum-operation-operational-operations-edition/#comment-69021

  22. July 9, 2015 1:53 pm

    so””’Yes or No or Don`t-Know/remember””’

    #l reckon blib should blather-on in as long-winded fashion possible, it is better blib creates a transcript of the greatest magnitude to bore the fcukers to bat-shit, instead of the public for once.

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2015 1:58 pm

    Imagine that!!

    Shorten is being evasive.

  24. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:03 pm

    Shorten is being evasive.

    Actually, it’s the questions being evasive, see the tweet above 😉

  25. July 9, 2015 2:05 pm

    Normally splatters tends to be quite sane, but then does this,

    splattering”””Labor are big supporters of the ABC because it is a valuable propaganda asset for them. Libs detest it for the same reason. Ordinary decent people detest it”””

    #wasn`t there very recently 3-blue ribbon teabag electorates that want my abc `protected-by-bill` and not dragged into current `political-bullshit`, a wee fact that those gulp from the blot tea-mug overlook.

  26. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:13 pm

    Shortens UNDER THE PUMP

    What were the libs saying the other day about being too busy to consider SSM? Walking and chewing gum?

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:31 pm

    Tom R that was a throw away line on a rostrum thread where the matter was barely discussed at all. On the threads that dealt with the issue like this or this I kept focus on Lib corruption. In fact I said this:

    “Egg, this is not the time for “look over there”. If there is not an unrelenting focus on the Libs, they won’t change.”

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:33 pm

    “Actually, it’s the questions being evasive, see the tweet above ;)”

    Shorten didn’t answer the question – he did not explain the obvious conflict of interest.

  29. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:41 pm

    he did not explain the obvious conflict of interest.

    Considering he debunked everything the inquisitor used to pretend there was a conflict, then that debunking shows there wasn’t

    Which is why his answers cannot just be “yes or no”

  30. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2015 2:52 pm

    So that’s it, all wrapped up, two full days of interrogation, so no more “Questions to be Answered”

    Yea, thought not 😉

    Of course there is one other possibility and that is that some other material comes to light, which may make a desire for Mr Shorten to address it – but the future is quite unclear on both of those.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/jul/09/bill-shorten-faces-a-second-day-at-the-trade-union-royal-commission-politics-live#block-559dfb72e4b0b0df6a114614

    in 10 …9…

  31. July 9, 2015 3:19 pm

    during the rc, mr-hogg reckons blib should resign for the good of the `team` .. #fcuking genius huh

    #most here didn`t need an rc to work that out

  32. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 3:30 pm

    The AWU is negotiating an EBA on behalf of some of its members. And at the same time it is receiving by way of a secretive side deal hundreds of thousands of dollars from the employer party to the EBA.

    Stoljar thinks that circumstance presents a clear conflict of interest. Shifty Shorten thinks not.

    I can see both sides. In business it would likely be a secret commission.

  33. July 9, 2015 3:34 pm

    So””that`s it, all wrapped up, two full days”””

    #the problem is the `witch-hunt` won`t make blib a better, viable, alternative, option to voters next election, blib is still relying on mr-rabbit being more crap than blib is

    #the last lot of polls (reb?) dropped showed blib-53? and mr-rabbit-49? / still that 50/50-ish area, if blib had any talent in the eyes of voters, blib would be at the 70+ level against these zombies

  34. Walrus permalink
    July 9, 2015 4:04 pm

    “I can see both sides. In business it would likely be a secret commission.”

    Yep……………..and that might yet become a finding of the RC.

    From now on the LNP will be able to say of Shorten if he promises anything to the taxpayer which involves a Third Party dont be surprised if he’s getting a backhander in return.

    Shorten is political dead meat.

    Abbott will be desperate now to keep him opposite. In fact he should take pity on his opponent and dissolve the RC forthwith as a gesture of kindness LOL

  35. July 9, 2015 4:31 pm

    blubbers””’Abbott will be desperate””’

    #actually l tend to agree blubbers, mr-rabbit has not realized how little of `threat` blib is at this late stage, and the rc smacks also of teabag-panic, which is un-needed. lt looks like mr-rabbit is trying to `push-down` blibs poll numbers, as mr-rabbit cannot raise his numbers.

    #while the so-called leadership threat among the teabags doesn`t really exist either, they actually don`t have a zombie that can win with voters `and` the rest of the zombies can live with. They are stuck with mr-rabbit at this late stage too.

  36. July 9, 2015 4:47 pm

    we also need to remember blib-rc is also a fine distraction for `free-market-tinfoil-eers` from, 1.china suspending about 70% of its stockmarket trading, and 2.tpp lack of details

    #look.over.there

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 5:23 pm

    From sb’s quote …

    … a witness who answers each question yes, no, I don’t remember or clarifies the question and so on gives the cross-examiner very little material to work with.

    “It’s in your interest to curb these to some extent extraneous answers. Mr Stoljar has a plan, plans may succeed or they may fail but he’s entitled to pursue it.

    As I said WTF!

    As impartial as a rugby league referee from NSW! LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Which is why his answers cannot just be “yes or no”

    Yep, the old classic assumption question …

    “When did you last beat your wife?”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I can see both sides. In business it would likely be a secret commission.

    Ya mean like dodgy scholarships and then a job for your kids?

    Secret commission my arse it was for services rendered … the bloody ACTU still operates as an RTO and in 1980’s I did two stints with the NSCA as a senior training consultant … the union training was one of our biggest competitors.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    the problem is the `witch-hunt` won`t make blib a better, viable, alternative, option to voters next election, blib is still relying on mr-rabbit being more crap than blib is

    True and true … and notice Sounds of Silence from The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes … stage managed or what?

    The RC may just win Shorten some points … the RC not only looks like a set up … its got the Abbott shit slinging all over it …

    And don’t forget the TPP!

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 6:03 pm

    “it was for services rendered”

    That is far from clear – Shifty is very evasive about that question. The companies understand that an amount has to be paid but are quite flexible about what it is said to be paid for. The funny thing is that these payments are not included in the respective EBAs.

    It may well be that the service rendered is a sweet deal with the EBA.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 6:07 pm

    Well no-one knows for sure least of all you and me, sb …

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2015 6:37 pm

    True enough TB. But it is good to see a light shone in dark places.

  41. July 9, 2015 6:58 pm

    splatter””But it is good to see a light shone in `dark` places””’

    #that`s an assumption too, l suspect that once the rc has finished trying to `handle` blib, the result will probably be that blib `handled`em right back.

    #don`t mistake blib`s uselessness in canberra has been created out-side canberra, it hasn`t

  42. July 9, 2015 7:00 pm
  43. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 7:05 pm

    500,000 ÷ 8 = 😮

  44. armchair opionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 7:06 pm

    (Guardian today)”…Heydon noted the opposition leader had been “criticised in the newspapers in the past few weeks” and it was understandable that he wanted to rebut that criticism…”

    I tend to disagree with the shorten is finished line. I think he was chided because he’s been using the forum as a soapbox to tell everyone what a great job is done for workers and members. This has caused some frustration to the RC (or inquisition if you like) he was using every question to aggrandisement. They couldn’t have given him a better platform if they tried!

    Barring no ‘smoking gun’ issue he’s likely to be safe and got even more airtime to grandstand because Abbott kindly cleared his calendar to allow bill plenty of eyes and ears on him. He actually looks better than he did before after coping with such sustained grilling!

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2015 7:08 pm

    Those flags are probably for schools and clubs tho’ … and the odd boardroom or 200 …

    I suppose that’s why we have such a problem with the economy … all this “welfare” …

  46. July 9, 2015 7:50 pm

    ao””soapbox to tell everyone what a great job is done for workers””#ha-ha:-)

    #meanwhile, over at a certain reportland sales is asking about `viewers-vibe`, (l hope tinfoil`osy is enjoying it as much as l am)#ROFL

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2015 10:28 pm

    Lucky the ALP has a whole parliamentary party full of people who manage conflicts of interest just the way Bill did.

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2015 11:41 pm

    You can never have enough flags, can you?

    I also notice that the right wing of labor is out defending bill shorten, I may have missed it, being at work, but has there been any comments from anyone of the labor left?

  49. public toilet permalink
    July 10, 2015 12:06 am

    Flags make excellent kindling.

  50. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 7:00 am

    From now on the LNP will be able to say of Shorten if he promises anything to the taxpayer which involves a Third Party dont be surprised if he’s getting a backhander in return.

    And Shorten would just as readily be able to say and everyone will be better off. All he needs to do is compare his negotiating skills with yabots. How much better off has yabots negotiating with our Asian traders made Australian workers?
    Yep, bring that on 🙂

    But it is good to see a light shone in dark places.

    I AGREE! And we saw a person who was out there fighting to get a better deal for average Australian workers, and progressing the interests of business at the same time. His answers exposed an understanding of the entire panaroma of business stakes in a wide variety of endeavors. It showed a Union that protected both employees and employers in a mutual advancement for the both of them.

    I think he was chided because he’s been using the forum as a soapbox to tell everyone what a great job is done for workers and members.

    Yes, and some lib had obviously got in touch with haydon to get him to tone it down. Like the Gillard interrogation, this has back fired. hayden even complained about her testimony, again, as it was too detailed ROFL Mainly because, as I have contended, even with the rare cases of corruption, Union are there for workers, and this is proven time and time again. For all of its short comings, it is the strength behind the ALP. Like any political party, there will be vested interests, but, as long as it’s foundations remain back with representation of the workers, then it will always be on a solid foundation imo.

    ales is asking about `viewers-vibe`

    That was truly sickening, although O’Connor slapped her down quite well most of the time. She tried her little heart out to influence the public opinion of Shortens guilt, then sat back and conceded that it didn’t matter what actually happened, it will only be what people get to see in headlines (after spending hte entire time repeating the one headline)

    Well done Leigh murdoch-sales


    LEIGH SALES: The average Australian will not have sat in front of the TV for the past two days and watched every single word that’s been said.

    BRENDAN O’CONNOR: No.

    LEIGH SALES: They’ll be picking up on the vibe and forming an impression.

    BRENDAN O’CONNOR: Sure.

    LEIGH SALES: Given that the key headlines are Bill Shorten fails to declare political donation and commissioner questions Bill Shorten’s credibility, won’t most viewers and voters have formed an unfavourable impression?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4270865.htm

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 7:12 am

    Flags make excellent kindling.

    So do political witch hunts. And I reckon this might just have lit a fire under the ALP.

    I don’t expect much different outwardly from Shorten, this is nothing compared to negotiating pay deals with miserable tight wads like yomm day in day out, but I reckon we just might be seeing a bit of pay back should the unthinkable happen and Labor boot this mob after it’s first innings.

    Personally, an RC into free trade deals would be where I started. Just what made yabot make a captains call to kill our subs and car industry for the Japanese?

    And then the twat wraps himself in OUR flag! Fuck him! Go back to ya motherland, and take ya fucken flags with ya. I don’t need no flag to know where the fuck I am.

  52. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:08 am

    the asbestos bishop making impressions internationally

    “Many Chinese people who read about this could not believe these words came from the Australian Foreign Minister. China is Australia’s biggest trade partner and has not offended Australia in any way. Bishop’s verbal provocation made her look more like one of the often pointless ‘angry youths’ found in the Chinese cyber sphere than a diplomat.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/julie-bishop-a-complete-fool-says-chinese-paper-20140714-zt6w0?stb=twt&skin=smart-phone

  53. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:09 am

    IT’S THE CARBON TAX!

    Some beef cuts have spiked by as much as 50 per cent in the past six months thanks to strong overseas buying – driven partly by the softening Australian dollar – and drought conditions.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/sausage-and-steak-lose-sizzle-as-beef-prices-bite-20150709-gi8q5p.html

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:21 am

    Bill Shorten –
    • Knifes 2 Prime Ministers, and the only thing they agree on is that he is untrustworthy
    • Takes cash from employers, at the very time he is negotiating sub standard EBAs with them
    • Can’t explain what all the cash is for
    • Is evasive or waffling during his evidence, and criticised by a former High Court Judge for this

    Naturally, there’s nothing to be interested in here.

  55. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:34 am

    Naturally, there’s nothing to be interested in here.

    yabot

    • Knifes 2 opposition leaders, backstabs his other rival

    • gives private educators millions after receiving free sholarship for daughter

    • sets up slush fund to knock off political rival without disclosing

    • thinks charity is when you get to claim even more tax payer funds for doing your hobby

    • leader of a party that is tightly linked to the Mafia

    • Sells out Australian jobs so he can hob nob with the Japanese

    Naturally, there’s nothing to be interested in here.

    Takes cash from employers, at the very time he is negotiating sub standard EBAs with them

    Link? Else stop making shit up.

    Can’t explain what all the cash is for

    Actually, he did. In fact, he went into detail about the extra training resources required due to the removal of that through worstchoices.

    Is evasive or waffling during his evidence, and criticised by a former High Court Judge for this

    Actually, it was the excessive detail that the inquisitor wasn’t liking, as it answered the other smears you tried on above (whilst also painting Shorten in quite a good light) 😉

    Should we be taking the lead inquisitors statements for tony abbots royal commission with a grain of salt?

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:38 am

    Mr Shorten performed very impressively at the RC. He certainly looked Prime Ministerial. His clear straight-forward answers dispelled any lingering doubts. His charm and grace under pressure made a mockery of his critics. Bill was right to call out Dyson Heydon as Abbott’s lackey. No wonder Bill is receiving resounding support from the likes of ALP legend Dean Mighell. ALP supporters must be very pleased indeed that the new rules about removing the parliamentary leader protect Bill from vicious back-stabbings such as brought down Rudd and Gillard. The next election is indeed a foregone conclusion with Bill in charge.

  57. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:42 am

    you almost had me there sb 🙂

    Although, in today’s parlance, calling somebody “Prime Ministerial” is more of a put down.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:48 am

    • EBA for eastlink that undercut the prevailing standards for construction and accepted HUGE amounts of cash from the people he did the deal with.
    • Gave up award conditions to protect the vital mushroom industry
    • Took cash from a contractor and gave them a cheap EBA

    No, nothing to see here.

  59. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:48 am

    fairfax is still out for Shortens blood. I get the feeling it more due to his Union affiliation than anything.

    In a long winded, self serving rant that exposes their lack of attention to detail over the past two days, this stood out the most

    Mr Shorten and his supporters might not see it that way, and that is the problem. He repeatedly says that everything he did as a union leader was intended to improve the wages, conditions and prospects of AWU members, some of whom rank among the nation’s most lowly-paid workers.
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/sneaky-unions-deals-will-shadow-shorten-20150709-gi8o55.html

    While it rambles off on its own again after that, it fails to address the point that this all rests on, probably I’m guessing because they don’t like the answer, an answer that shoots down their vapid contention, because, as we saw, improving the wages, conditions and prospects of AWU members was the outcome of all of Shortens dealings presented yesterday.

    An uncomfortable but rather important truth, that the media seem to be avoiding with extreme prejudice.

  60. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 9:53 am

    EBA for eastlink that undercut the prevailing standards for construction

    prevailing? I think you mean the conditions the most militant Union wanted.

    Gave up award conditions to protect the vital mushroom industry

    “traded” for other conditions I think is how it is phrased

    and gave them a cheap EBA

    Like I said yomm, link it, or stop making shit up.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 10:33 am

    I have no problem with Shorten breaking ranks with his mates in the CFMEU, ETU, AMWU etc in reducing the excessive rates and restrictions that existed in the construction industry.

    There should be more of if. Even though it wad the precursor to the turf war.

    My issue is that Shorten has accepted lots of money and patronage for doing the deal.

    Don’t know why you’re defending this behaviour Tom R. It is a cancer in transparent workplace relations.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2015 10:54 am

    but has there been any comments from anyone of the labor left?

    Bob Hogg?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    you almost had me there sb 🙂

    Chuckle …

    My, my, you are slipping, TR …

    When,sb’s comments start out sounding “reasonable” he reminds me of the wolf in Little Red Riding Hood … or a scorpion … beware the sting in the tail … 😈

  63. Walrus permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:04 am

    The ALP’s big problems will begin when Shifty wheels out his new carbon tax and perhaps a new open border policy(depending on whether the Left gets its way on border protection at the Congress)

    Shifty is the ALP’s only “credible” (LOL) leader from the Right.

    Otherwise its Tanya or Albanese………………………..And if Tanya is the answer well they might as well poach Lee Rhiannon from the Greens. The ALP are no chance

    With Shifty in charge Abbott is in with a very good but not guaranteed chance of shifting the polls

  64. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:24 am

    Don’t know why you’re defending this behaviour Tom R.

    Because the workers are better off with the likes of Shorten in parliament than with the likes of abbott.

    Even the bosses realise this, and so helped him get there in order to help themselves.

    My issue is that Shorten has accepted lots of money and patronage for doing the deal.

    Probably better to be phrased as “Shorten has accepted lots of money and patronage for doing a deal that advanced everyones cause.” Sounds like an ideal political outcome to me.

    My, my, you are slipping, TR …

    Luckily I start from a fairly low height 😉

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:35 am

    Accepting money and largesse in return for doing deals that aren’t specifically disclosed to the members concerned are a cancer in the industrial system

    But it is Shorten we’re talking about

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:39 am

    “Because the workers are better off with the likes of Shorten in parliament than with the likes of abbott.”

    Good to see you go straight to the real reason rather than arguing nonsense by suggesting that Shifty’s behaviour is actually defensible.

    The point is Abbott will probably lose, but the only glimmer of hope he has is if Shifty leads the ALP into the next election. If you get carried away supporting Shifty then you may be helping impose Abbott on “the workers”.

    Actually the workers, people who actually work rather than bludging unionists, probably want Abbott.

  67. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:48 am

    that aren’t specifically disclosed to the members concerned

    Again, link.

    probably want Abbott.

    Tell it to Elizabeth. If you know how to find it 😉

  68. Walrus permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:55 am

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2015 12:07 pm

    The point is Abbott will probably lose

    I think you are right but i cannot see what people see in the ALP. There has not been one Labor govt that has not trashed the budget. What things will a new ALP govt bring other than debt and unemployment?

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 12:12 pm

    Some of us post stuff that we know, without just posting links to media reports.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2015 12:13 pm

    Actually the workers, people who actually work rather than bludging unionists, probably want Abbott.

    Duh!

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 1:53 pm

    Tom R gets confused, endlessly justifying every example of poor or unethical behaviour by ALP MPs. The argument is justified by the belief that they’re better than the other lot.

    While that may be the case ignoring, condoning or justifying the behaviour only entrenches it. It’s stupid to condemn the ALP to being a party that doesn’t require reform.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2015 2:02 pm

    It’s stupid to condemn the ALP to being a party that doesn’t require reform.

    The point is that ALL political parties require reform … we really need a Federal ICAC and stronger regulations … politicians are only one group that is slowly pillaging the country … and blaming others …

    As you said …

    … ignoring, condoning or justifying the behaviour only entrenches it.

  74. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 2:10 pm

    Some of us post stuff that we know, then their’s yomm, who posts stuff he wishes was 😉

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2015 3:39 pm

    “Tom R gets confused, endlessly justifying every example of poor or unethical behaviour by ALP MPs. The argument is justified by the belief that they’re better than the other lot.”

    I reckon his belief comes from his being employed as an ALP political staffer or some such position.

  76. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 4:02 pm

    employed as an ALP political staffer

    I wouldn’t get outta bed for $40k

  77. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 4:47 pm

  78. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 4:48 pm

    Waiting on yabot to over rule this one.

    Like he’d be handing out money for “crap”, especially to “foreigners”

    Australia will go into bat for cyclone-prone Pacific Island nations to ensure they get sufficient cash to cope with climate change, says Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/national/a/28721708/pacific-will-get-climate-cash-bishop/

  79. July 10, 2015 5:31 pm

    splattering””’receiving resounding support from the likes of ALP legend Dean Mighell. ALP supporters must be very pleased”””

    #hey numb-nuts WRONG

    #mighell and onion don`t back teabag-lite.

    #forget which onion he`s with, but they backed the greenz dude bandt for tanners old seat, from memory backed other/s indi`s

    #more lies, and another teabag bites the dust:-)

    (so, who fcuked-up more today, blib or mr-rabbit)

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2015 5:45 pm

    (so, who fcuked-up more today, blib or mr-rabbit)

    You’re tellin’ the tale.

  81. July 10, 2015 5:49 pm

    last nights oconner interview on reportland gave me the impression that L-sales was going `hard` as a by-product of the zaky qandaland `drama`

    #sales hasn`t gone as `hard` as that on a teabag for ages .. #my.abc.panic .. #viewer.vibe

  82. July 10, 2015 6:02 pm

    LEIGH SALES: No, you`ve tried to shift the goalpost to Tony Abbott.

    LEIGH SALES: Can we address the central issue about Bill Shorten?

    LEIGH SALES: Let’s unpack this idea around conflict of interest in a little more detail ..

    LEIGH SALES: Actually, I just want you to answer the questions about that I’m asking about this specific example ..

    LEIGH SALES: Well can you please address my question that the inquiry has actually uncovered legitimate areas of concern?

    LEIGH SALES: So without reference to Tony Abbott, what did Unibilt expect in return for its donation to Bill Shorten’s election campaign?

    #There is at least SIX attempts by sales to NOT let oconner off the hook in the reportland transcript. This is good and sales is doing her job. What the fcuk is her excuse when she won`t do a single follow-up/push-back, and lets the teabags off the hook with ANY blather the teabags peddle.

  83. July 10, 2015 6:47 pm

    “Actually the workers, people who actually work rather than bludging unionists, probably want Abbott.”

    Bullshit.

    And none of the Unionists I know are bludgers. What a stupid, baseless statement.

  84. July 10, 2015 6:49 pm

    “The point is that ALL political parties require reform … we really need a Federal ICAC and stronger regulations … politicians are only one group that is slowly pillaging the country … and blaming others … ”

    Indeed!

  85. Ton of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2015 7:48 pm

    I’d be quite happy with a federal ICAC, and very happy to see a succession of politicians of all persuasions under pressure.

    Maybe then we’d get a few clean ones in parliament

    … and as I’ve posted on the past,y experience is with the union side of the equation, so thats what I comment on.

  86. July 10, 2015 7:54 pm

    I understand and appreciate that, YomM.

    My contempt was for the inference that unionists are bludgers. To me, bludgers are the wilfully unemployed, not those employed who may happen to fall under a Union banner.

    Who knows, perhaps splatter meant Upper Union Hierarchy, not Union Members, when he made the generalist insult.

    I am no bludger, never have been, never will be. How many non-‘Unionists’ are going to work at 22:45 tonight? I am.

    I don’t endorse the Hierarchy misusing my fees or making self-gratifying, secret, sweetheart deals with management, behind closed doors, without oversight or input from the membership.

  87. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 7:58 pm

    #There is at least SIX attempts by sales to NOT let oconner off the hook in the reportland transcript

    Except of course he had answered the question the very first time she asked it ya dopey twat

    Which made the repeated returns to it rather transparent in her desire to “write a headline”

  88. July 10, 2015 7:58 pm

    Also, a vast majority of those I have ever worked with are highly attuned to the type of assault the Abbott’s of the world would make upon their pay and conditions, were they given the unhindered scope to do so.
    Even those of a social conservative bent, who would naturally gravitate towards Abbottian fearmongering, xeno & homo phobia, don’t want him fucking with their conditions of employment.
    I’m not sure that desk jockeys quite understand how strong a motivational factor that is to us ‘bludgers’.

  89. July 10, 2015 8:07 pm

    quite frankly dunny, if you`re using the term `bludger` you are already accepting a level of fact-free delusion .. the facts are the opposite

  90. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 8:12 pm

    the facts are the opposite

    ;lol: 😆 ;lol: 😆

    teamdumbass said “facts”

    ;lol: 😆 ;lol: 😆

    a vast majority of those I have ever worked with are highly attuned to the type of assault the Abbott’s of the world would make upon their pay and conditions

    As the sun rises and sets, and the tides swell and recede, so will libs rip off workers.

  91. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 8:15 pm

    ;lol: 😯

    Big words, but on recent history, they’ll wet their pantz

    “This is unwarranted interference in the ABC,” a senior ABC source said. “Our message is basically, ‘get f—-ed’.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/qa-boycott-tony-abbott-prepares-to-back-down-on-frontbench-ban–with-a-catch-20150710-gi9n5v.html

  92. July 10, 2015 8:15 pm

    Quite frankly, I only used the term ‘bludger’ because it was misappropriated further up the thread and I was responding to that.

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 8:16 pm

  94. July 10, 2015 8:17 pm

    Abbott is trying to regulate the ABC as a sop to his loyal hyperbolic megaphones, in Bolt et al.

  95. July 10, 2015 8:19 pm

    well team-cheerer, the facts being 800,000 unemployed, only 140,000 jobs (probably junk-jobs) don`t indicate the work-force are `bludgers`, neither do various global `workforce` reports

    (tho may be misunderstood in the canoe-state)

  96. July 10, 2015 8:20 pm

    There will be no large scale gutting of the ABC, because Abbott is a political coward & he & his know that it would cost them dearly…despite what a noisy minority of anti-ABC ideologues pretend towards.

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 8:21 pm

    and I was responding to that.

    You’re assuming teamdumbass read or/and understood what was happening, either earlier OR now 😉

  98. July 10, 2015 8:21 pm

    It is important to note the chasm between the ‘unemployed’ & the ‘wilfully unemployed’.

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2015 8:22 pm

    Abbott is trying to regulate the ABC

    Kim Jong Abbott

  100. July 10, 2015 8:24 pm

    Well aware of misappropriation by cubicle dwellers and desk jockeys;-)

  101. July 10, 2015 8:36 pm

    ha-ha, that story on mr-rabbit trying to rule my abc was on earlier, l am quite enjoying how he is uniting the rest of news-media against himself in stern efforts to please the rupert-zombies, lets hope he keeps it up and pisses-off more blue-ribbon seats for interfering with my abc

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2015 10:10 pm

    This ‘union bludger’ has just got home from work, I was late off because I couldn’t just walk off the job at finish time, I had to put other people’s needs first. I’ll be up at 0500 hrs tomorrow to go back to work, and I’ll be working sunday too.

    I know that every time we have an LNP government, they will try to get rid of my penalties and expect that I should do more with less, even though the workloads are unmanageable now and new graduate nurses are burned out within a couple of years after commencing work, if they last that long.
    There is still no management adherence to family friendly rostering [as always advertised] and there is no recognition of the early illness and death associated with years of shiftwork and interference of circadian rhythms.

    I resent being seen as a ‘bludger’ by self important desk jockeys who spend their days around the coffee machine enjoying catered food while attending ‘meetings’ and devising ever more ways to make everyone else more productive and accountable to justify the existence of their own jobs.

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2015 10:44 pm

    Tony Abbott’s pointless whims uncover those who refuse to minister to him:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/10/tony-abbotts-pointless-whims-uncover-those-who-refuse-to-minister-to-him?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …So to cut our longish story short? It’s pretty whacky times inside the government right now. Every intelligent minister faces a choice. You can either be carried along by the convection current of Abbott’s over-egged and unconvincing pitch to the voters, and his petty vindictive arguments, or when the moment presents, you can say enough is enough.

    Two ministers, in separate ways, did that this week.

    They stood up.

    And there was Abbott, in the middle, with his grocery code, and his silly finger jab at the ABC, while the world around us wobbles…

  104. July 10, 2015 11:06 pm

    Journos being journos don`t know when to omit, or quit, and end-up including delusion in what is a good post, starting here,

    guardian””Abbott`s over-egged and unconvincing pitch to the voters, and his petty vindictive arguments, or when the moment presents, you can say enough is enough.””’

    #quackery begins

    ””Two ministers, in separate ways, did that this week.””

    #ie bananasby and mr-talkbull

    ””They stood up.””

    #no they didn`t, mr-talkbull, like bananasby won`t go on qandaland, and bananasby will have the weekend to make noise, and be back `in-line` like a good little puppet by monday

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2015 11:48 pm

    Re union bludgers (having fallen into that category once) … get fucked … stupid is as stupid does …

  106. Ton of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 9:16 am

    I think the reasonable point SB was making referred to union officials as distinct from rank and file union members.

  107. Ton of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 9:20 am

    and by the way, why is Q&A in the television dept rather than in the news/current affairs dept?

    If it regards itself as a serious forum for debating current issues, ithe program shouldn’t be in the entertainment part of the ABC.

  108. armchair opionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:00 am

    Perhaps because they debate a lot of topics, not strict news, perhaps more of an ‘infotainment’ where there is a lot of expert opinion but not news where they require stricter reporting.
    I’d say all of fox news falls into the opinion category!

  109. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:05 am

    I think the reasonable point SB was making referred to union officials as distinct from rank and file union members.

    I would think that, if you bothered to read Shortens (disallowed) answers, you could not call him a bludger, as he and his team were right a cross a very wide range of areas, areas the business themselves had ignored, which would have been to their detriment had the Union not been there.

    So, if you were going to call anyone a bludger, perhaps it should be hayden and the council assisting, whose attention span couldn’t reach that far.

    and by the way, why is Q&A in the television dept rather than in the news/current affairs dept?

    I’m guessing it’s because it isn’t a news show or a current affairs show , it’s info-tainment (and pretty bad tainment or info at that).

    But that’s beside the point, why is the grubmint of the day dictating operational standards to the independent media outlet? Kim-Jong yabot strikes again. Free speech my arse. He’s a gutless bully who cannot face questions, something that his been obvious for years, but what brought into stark view with bobble head minute with riley.

    And the media still give him free pass.

  110. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:09 am

    workchoices on water.

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:10 am

    I’d say all of fox news falls into the opinion category!

    I’d put it closer to purely fiction actually AO 😉

    Hope you’re day at work is going OK?

  112. armchair opionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:23 am

    Putting qanda in the news section, would be placing it in a straitjacket, just what Abbott Corp wants, no criticism, no scrutiny, no observation of policies. Qanda gagged and censored, like the rest of us.
    Heil Abbott!

  113. armchair opionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:26 am

    Not bad thanks tomr, will be having my lunch break soon. I generally fade around 1 pm as just can’t sleep well from late to early shift. Coffee will help!

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:41 am

    I think the reasonable point SB was making referred to union officials as distinct from rank and file union members.

    What you think and what sb wrote are entirely different … this is what sb said …

    Actually the workers, people who actually work rather than bludging unionists, probably want Abbott.

    My grandfather called himself a unionist, my father called himself a unionist (he was in fact a delegate), I called myself a unionist (a reluctant unionist – took ’em six months to get me to join – and I became a rep) …

    sb, makes no distinction AT ALL … it was meant as a blanket insult … to UNIONISTS

    As for the Q&A question I’d be telling The Mad Abbott to get fucked and do his job not other people’s … perhaps the funding he cut has had an impact on budgetting …

  115. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:58 am

    Heil Abbott!

    It’s almost impossible NOT to godwin in this fascist environment.

    Coffee will help!

    Never a truer word. Yes, swing shifts are terrible. I didn’t do very many, but the ones I did just screwed EVERYTHING up. There’s always that first shot of ya favourite brew at the end, so hang in there 🙂

    Meanwhile, smiles are always good 😉

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:25 am

    So Shorten agreed to cut wages in order to save the mushroom industry. Possibly that’s understandable.

    But I recall that motor vehicle manufacturers would have made a profit if they paid award level wages. But a range of union oriented types considered that suggestion outrageous!

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 12:00 pm

    But I recall that motor vehicle manufacturers would have made a profit if they paid award level wages.

    But I recall that automotive workers had taken a pay cut. But I recall that the automotive industry WAS one of the most productive in this country. But I recall that mushroom workers STILL got above AWARD rates.

    I recall 😉

  118. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 12:10 pm

    So, a tacit admission that our miners have “excessive tax incentives” [cough] subsidies [cough] perhaps?

    In another paragraph, member countries agree to encourage investment in developing countries that rely heavily on natural resource exports, and to address “excessive tax incentives” in extractive investments in those countries.

    But Australian officials say the phrase “excessive tax incentives” is unclear and suggest that member countries ought to only agree to measures “to encourage improved practice in taxation of extractive investments.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/abbott-government-accused-of-watering-down-language-on-tax-evasion-ahead-of-finance-for-development-meeting-20150710-gi9k9f.html

    Either way, it exposes their bullshit rhetoric about ‘fairer taxes’

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 12:14 pm

    Guess the major players will miss this while their eyes are steadfastly fixed on murdors distractions.

    Ditto cuts to the pension, that are expected to save $2.4 billion over four years, from January 2017.

    The trend across almost all portfolios is this: people will lose money, but they won’t lose it until after they have voted.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/07/11/the-governments-142-billion-budget-fantasy-sell-election/14365368002114#.VaBfLvl8mqE

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2015 1:11 pm

    WOW! TR, isn’t that what we’ve been saying for over twelve months now?

    Saying “I told you so” leaves a horrid taste in my mouth and a queasy feeling in my stomach … certainly no satisfaction …

    The country really is screeching to a halt going uphill … when we stop we can only go one way …

    Amateur adults in charge …

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 2:02 pm

    But I recall that the automotive industry WAS one of the most productive in this country

    They were dishonest people who used industrial muscle to pay themselves, both management and workers, higher wages than anybody else doing similar work.

    Under Labor local car sales went from 25% in 2007 to 10% in 2013. And that is with Rudd/Gillard giving them all the money they wanted.

  122. July 11, 2015 2:30 pm

    boo-of.melb”””forum for debating”””

    #2319 numb-nuts, a `forum for debating` that readily allows a platform for the `go-to` teabag-cranks to air their latest brain-farts and oppose any idea no matter how good, does belong in the `distainment-dept`, as that is what `discussion-entertainment` is all about. lt`s not `fact-based`, `verified` news like floods, bushfires and cyclones.

    #Without the distainment-dept, just how could my abc give their (fake)balance under charter to the cranks like gerard-h, judith sloan, kate carnel and margie osmond, via shows like qandaland, insiders and teh-drum, as these shows point and purpose is to ensure the (fake)balance is maintained to give the cranks `about` equal airtime.

    #Team-puppet supporting mr-rabbits `qandaland-in-news-dept` brainfart, need to realize this brainfart is wedged by mr-rabbits previous brainfart, `cut-my-abc-budget`.

    #Team-puppet need to know, `fact-based`, `verified` news-dept production costs are much, much higher than the `go-to`, `crank-based` distainment production costs.

    #the.show.must.go.on

  123. July 11, 2015 2:37 pm

    “I think the reasonable point SB was making referred to union officials as distinct from rank and file union members.”

    Examine his words, YomM…

    “Actually the workers, people who actually work rather than bludging unionists, probably want Abbott.”

    His choice of terms is very ambiguous. You probably would have clarified it as ‘union hacks’, splatter hasn’t.
    My suspicions are raised because I’ve often read assertions that union members with good pay & conditions are ‘lazy’, overpaid leeches; think kneels tripe with regard to Holden employees.
    I’ve reasoned, in the past, that those ignorant to said employees roles & responsibilities have no basis for judging them.
    His assumption that most ‘workers’ would prefer Abbott is the stuff of pure mental masturbation.

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 2:38 pm

    They were dishonest people who used industrial muscle to pay themselves

    link

    And, I note you didn’t dispute the fact of the productivity of automotive workers compared with … say … accountants? 😉

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 2:42 pm

    I’m just so glad my personal troll has returned.

    It’s a badge of honour that (even a dill) goes to the trouble of inventing a sock puppet to reply to my comments!

  126. July 11, 2015 2:44 pm

    “They were dishonest people who used industrial muscle to pay themselves, both management and workers, higher wages than anybody else doing similar work.”

    You do realise how Enterprise Bargaining operates? dumbass.

    The pay rises come attached to agreed productivity/efficiency improvements from the workforce.

    You are in no position to have been privy to the broader picture.

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 3:12 pm

    They had access to taxpayers money which both management and workers gorged themselves upon.

    And under Holden/Ford/Toyota management local production went from 25% to 10% in just 6 years. Why should the taxpayer give these deadbeats money??

    What this disaster showed is that permanent subsidies do not work. One off grants to help somebody struggling is OK. Permanent subsides humans just abuse.

    And that is why most ALP policies fail. They fail to take into account human nature.

  128. July 11, 2015 3:16 pm

    Worked there, did you?

    No? I didn’t think so.

    You don’t know shit about the employees there.

  129. July 11, 2015 3:19 pm

    boo-of.melb””It`s a badge of honour””#that child-like puppet-comments be responded to by `similar` avatar. .. #2319

  130. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 3:19 pm

    have no basis for judging them.

    Precisely, until you have worked in the manufacturing, and more specifically the automotive industries, you really have no concept.

    People I work with now are incredulous when they come into contact with manufacturing workers through our IT work. They reckon they are always on edge. That’s because they are. Deadlines are DEADLINES there, not possible dates of completion. There is right, and then there is wrong, grey does not exist. If it is ‘grey’, it is wrong.

  131. July 11, 2015 3:19 pm

    “And under Holden/Ford/Toyota management local production went from 25% to 10% in just 6 years.”

    And you don’t think that may have been because consumers were buying other makes of car?
    It’s not rocket science, kneel.

    I’m not arguing for subsidies, or the car industry as a whole. I just dispute your judgements of the worth, or not, of unionised employees. Your views on them are superficial & offensive.

  132. July 11, 2015 3:23 pm

    “They reckon they are always on edge. That’s because they are. Deadlines are DEADLINES there, not possible dates of completion.”

    Yep, JIT. Every minute is accounted for…and compliance is a condition of employment.

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 3:36 pm

    And you don’t think that may have been because consumers were buying other makes of car?

    And why were they doing this? I am not against subsidies if they work. But you cannot have a manufacturing industry with 10% of the market.

    Your views on them are superficial & offensive.

    Good. Holden workers and management need to be offended. I remember reading Toyota management knew it was all over when there was a public holiday on Thursday and 30% of the workforce took a sickie of Friday.

  134. July 11, 2015 3:40 pm

    dunny””views on them are superficial & offensive””

    #don`t let`em annoy`ya too much dunny, they are the usual puppet-comments made by tea-flavored cubicle dwellers and desk jockeys with little to no experience beyond a single job, anybody that has worked in more than one job or industry knows most of the crap the teabags peddle are mostly mythical

    #our teabags are pretty clueless when it comes to eba`s, onions, workers, `workplace-disruption`, `worker-employer relations`, `minimum-pay-downfalls`, ohs, production, legal-liabilities, not to mention `specialty` problems and safety in certain industries/jobs, but they will continue to blather their nonsense.

  135. July 11, 2015 3:40 pm

    Once again, you don’t know shit about them. You are a generalising regurgitator of things you don’t even comprehend.

    “And why were they doing this?”

    Presumably, consumers were making personal choices. I think it’s called a marketplace.

    Your spurious comments about the unionised workforce & its work ethic, as you see it, have fuck all to do with subsidy.

  136. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 3:59 pm

    But you cannot have a manufacturing industry with 10% of the market.

    I AGREE!

    Holdens were in a trans-formative period. Did they move too late? Probably. Are their cars world standard. Definitively.

    Did our current subsidies completely even out the tariffs etc in place in overseas markets? We never even had that conversation.

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:01 pm

    I remember reading Toyota management knew it was all over when there was a public holiday on Thursday and 30% of the workforce took a sickie of Friday

    By Toyota management i mean the big boys from japan were upset. The local management should have done something about 30% of the workforce not turning up the day after a public holiday. But i guess if you think the taxpayer gravy train will never end you do not care.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:31 pm

    Well I take it as a great compliment that someone*-
    *Reads all my comments, and
    *Invents a sock puppet specifically for the purpose of replying

    Thank you!

    (*even if that someone is an illiterate, incomprehensible dill)

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:34 pm

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:40 pm

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:46 pm

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:57 pm

    AO

    Penalty rates were brought in by Christian ALP types who wanted men to stay at home on Saturday and Sunday to spend time with their family. Penalties were designed to stop people working more than the standard working week.

    With the 24 hour working cycle now there is a question if people are working on the weekend should they get penalties if they have not worked a standard working week.

    Penalty rates are stopping some businesses from opening and stopping people being employed.

  143. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 4:58 pm

    30% of the workforce took a sickie of Friday

    I’m going to demand a link for that, simply because you quoted yourself. Else, DON’T MAKE SHIT UP!

    Bruce Billson? Wasn’t he on Goodfellas?

  144. July 11, 2015 4:59 pm

    I double dare them to even look like they’re actually going to have a go at penalty rates!

    Political suicide. There are more of ‘us’ (those working under penalty rates) than ‘them’ (those who want to enact their abolition via sinister ideological machinations).

    As I said previously…”I’m not sure that desk jockeys quite understand how strong a motivational factor that is to us ‘bludgers’.”

  145. July 11, 2015 5:03 pm

    “Penalty rates are stopping some businesses from opening and stopping people being employed.”

    Kneel drinks deeply from the koolaid…again.

    Penalty rates are there (contemporarily) as a recognition that working anti-social hours, when everyone else is ‘off’ or asleep or enjoying a public holiday, should attract a compensation.

    I couldn’t give a fuck if you or the business world, or their political apparatus & its conservative megaphones, don’t like it. You don’t do it.

  146. July 11, 2015 5:10 pm

    boo-of-melb””great compliment that someone””#enables you to discuss `avatar-color` when your usual bullshit gets shot down in flames. .. #2319 .. #makes a nice change from `granma` and `spleling`

  147. July 11, 2015 5:31 pm

    tr””’were in a trans-formative period””’

    team-cheerer, this is part of the boardroom-scam excuses used for global-auto to extort world-govts of all flavors for welfare.

    +

    #Canoe-state team-cheerers would do better to focus their energy on the next canoe-building episode, instead of general-motor re-runs with teabag-imbeciles.

    #lf l was still residing in the canoe-state, considering this dodgy tpp is being pushed in the banana-state, considering boltsville shipyard is closing, WILL THAT MEAN jap-canoe builders will buy/lease dead shipyard with a `labor-hire` option attached, and next canoe-contract then go to jap-canoe based in boltsville. #wink.wink

  148. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 5:45 pm

    this is part of the boardroom-scam excuses

    You, like nil, obviously have no concept of the subject of which you wish to address

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:07 pm

    It’s quite a compliment to have a personal troll!

    Someone who reads everything I post!

    …AND has gone to the trouble of inventing a special sock puppet to reply!

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:20 pm

    It’s quite a compliment to have a personal troll!

    I’m not sure “compliment” is the word I’d be using. But then again, when your posts themselves are so fos, anyone at all taking note is a positive 😉

    I loved this. yabot summed up perfectly

    and now he’s unsettled the Australian people. In confusion is profit. Why walk tall when all you have to do is cut everyone else off at the knees?

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/07/09/bludgertrack-52-2-47-8-to-labor-4/?comment_page=35/#comment-2214419

    And btw, a special thanks to our msm for continuing to swing the scythe for him. Without you, he’d just be swinging in the breeze.

  151. July 11, 2015 6:23 pm

    tr””’concept of the subject””’

    #those of us not consumed with the view thru the `team-prism` are well aware of the subject `and` various concepts, unlike you team-cheerer and kneel that dance around the mulberry bush to your teams tunes, and remain in denial of `non-team` facts, while boring the rest of us bat-shit.

  152. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:29 pm

    multi talented

    Tony Abbott believes his new role as ABC TV’s Head Of Programming won’t impact on his other role as Australian Prime Minister.

    Mr Abbott, who started the programming position this week, said there was a lot of cross over between the two roles. “At the moment a good deal of my time as Prime Minister – probably 40-50% – is devoted to Q&A. So to broaden that to the other areas of the ABC is not a huge stretch”.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/07/11/abbott-confident-he-can-balance-pm-responsibilities-with-abc-programming-role/

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:29 pm

    I’m going to demand a link for that, simply because you quoted yourself. Else, DON’T MAKE SHIT UP!

    http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/managing/work-in-progress/sick-and-tired-of-absenteeism-20120216-1tcdy.html

    Earlier this month, Toyota’s chief executive in Australia admitted there are occasions – especially the day after a public holiday – when a third of his employees chuck a sickie.

  154. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:30 pm

    are well aware of the subject `and` various concepts

    As well aware as you are in your other field of expertise, coloured carton counting?

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 6:45 pm

    oh, so your evidence then nil is an executive (with a real barrow to push) makes a claim.

    I reckon you could find one that said half. I mean, they are only words.

  156. July 11, 2015 6:49 pm

    tr”””’coloured carton”””

    #and there ya`go showing your `team-nanny-roxon-prism` team-cheerer, you`ve been so busy dancing to the nanny-roxon tune too, while you ignore non-team information, that is what is wrong with both teams, and that is why the bulk of the public don`t get their wishes met (VE,gay-marriage,etc), and the public distrust and dislike BOTH teams.

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 7:26 pm

    and kneel that dance around the mulberry bush

    I am ant-labor. their policies do not work.

    oh, so your evidence then nil is an executive (with a real barrow to push) makes a claim.

    Well here is another executive.

    http://www.afr.com/news/former-toyota-boss-says-unions-must-take-some-blame-for-exit-20140212-ixt2q

    The former head of Toyota Australia and one of its top supplier executives say combative industrial relations helped trigger the company’s decision to stop making cars……Major workplace changes were needed, he said, including the number of days the plant is open, the 21-day Christmas shutdown, workplace flexibility and long-term absenteeism, which he described as a “huge issue”.

  158. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2015 7:58 pm

    Well here is another executive.

    yep, another suit currying favour with the grubmint so they can sell cars. Poor little rich man is upset he has to deal with the likes of Bill Shorten instead of just sitting on his fat wallet and ripping workers off. I don’t give a crap what these nobs say after the fact, like the GM one who said similar, all they are doing is currying favor so they can still sell cars and claim the FBT rort that was supposed to save the industry, but is now being sent directly overseas (OK, it always was). They didn’t mention any of that when they were here fighting with out grubmint to say.

    This is why I ask you for proof, because all you have is executives making claims that are patently untrue (hint, one third of workers all getting a sick certificate on the one day is logistically impossible, let alone logically improbable), as trustworthy as a silk at a royal witch hunt who reckons a victim should limit his answers to words that will only incriminate him.

    while you ignore non-team information

    Please, what do your posts and “information” have to do with each other?

  159. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 8:19 pm

    yep, another suit currying favour with the grubmint so they can sell cars

    The article says former Toyota boss. He looks old and had obviously retired. He is just telling the truth. Something you would not recognize.

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:01 pm

    hint, one third of workers all getting a sick certificate on the one day is logistically impossible,

    Does anybody know if this is true? I know where i used to work i did not need a sick certificate for one day off sick. I just had to submit an application by computer.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:33 pm

    …Penalty rates are there (contemporarily) as a recognition that working anti-social hours, when everyone else is ‘off’ or asleep or enjoying a public holiday, should attract a compensation…

    Exactly.

    Who cares about the workforce structure from decades ago neil, when women weren’t even included in it? It is the here and now and these times are vastly different to the old days with women making up half the workforce now. Your constant blaming of one side for starting this or that policy is not even relevant.

    “Penalty rates are stopping some businesses from opening and stopping people being employed.”…

    A business can open any time they like, and they are certainly very creative with the ‘flexibility’ that they demand of employees when they do. If they don’t want to pay a penalty rate they can work the business themselves or just don’t open at all, their choice and their rewards.
    Just because someone wants to run a business doesn’t mean the rest of us have a duty to ensure their personal success by giving up on the decent wages that other australians enjoy. Maybe they need to close if they are not profitable. Unscrupulous employers will just keep driving down wages and conditions as far as they can go and they still won’t be happy until people are frantically running between 1, 2 & 3 part time casual jobs just to survive.

    We should be saying that as a society, we have certain living standards, wages and conditions that we support, why should we demand that ‘others’ get less? Perhaps we can all take a cut, right from the top from the executives down and throughout the whole economy, even the pollies, then we will know that people are really serious, or maybe just plain greedy.

    Watch an exodus of nurses from the profession if penalties go, simply because the stress, responsibility and demands of the job won’t be worth what they are left with and nurses will also know they are not valued by their employers for all their productivity and their personal sacrifices.

    Perhaps some of you can try working around the clock shiftwork for a few years [decades in my case] and see if you have the same attitude to penalties.

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 10:43 pm

    Watch an exodus of nurses from the profession if penalties go,

    Once again nothing but deceit. I think they are mainly talking about causal and part-time workers who are unemployable because of penalty rates. Better to have a job than to be unemployed.

  163. July 11, 2015 10:44 pm

    “Does anybody know if this is true? I know where i used to work i did not need a sick certificate for one day off sick. I just had to submit an application by computer.”
    Says heaps about your history…and your dearth of insight into the conditions of others.

    Hint: shut the fuck up about things you know fuck all about (aside from having been agitated by your daily Boltshits).

  164. July 11, 2015 10:47 pm

    “Unscrupulous employers will just keep driving down wages and conditions as far as they can go and they still won’t be happy until people are frantically running between 1, 2 & 3 part time casual jobs just to survive. ”

    Otherwise known as the Coalition Utopia…of course, there’d be police on every street corner, cameras in our lounge to prevent tewwawism & summary imprisonment for burning the Australian tablecloth (come and get me).

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:01 pm

    Unscrupulous employers will just keep driving down wages and conditions as far as they can go and they still won’t be happy until people are frantically running between 1, 2 & 3 part time casual jobs just to survive.

    I agree with that.

    And unscrupulous Unions will keep on asking for higher wages making a business unprofitable.

    Hint: shut the fuck up about things you know fuck all about (aside from having been agitated by your daily Boltshits).

    Most places i have worked do not require a sick certificate for one day off. Do Toyota workers need a sick certificate for one day off???

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:15 pm

    Well i found the answer. Toyota does not require a medical certificate for one day off.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/absenteeism-reflects-sick-organisation-20120206-i3o2z

    In terms of the “extended long weekend” complained of by Toyota, some companies demand medical certificates if a sick day butts onto a weekend or public holiday.

    To do this, however, Toyota would have to negotiate this change with its unions, Dundon says.

  167. July 11, 2015 11:16 pm

    “We should be saying that as a society, we have certain living standards, wages and conditions that we support, why should we demand that ‘others’ get less? Perhaps we can all take a cut, right from the top from the executives down and throughout the whole economy, even the pollies, then we will know that people are really serious, or maybe just plain greedy.

    Watch an exodus of nurses from the profession if penalties go, simply because the stress, responsibility and demands of the job won’t be worth what they are left with and nurses will also know they are not valued by their employers for all their productivity and their personal sacrifices. ”

    I’m feeling you…and it won’t just be nurses…

    The neocon view has a lot of our decision makers in thrall.

  168. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:29 pm

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:30 pm

    hint, one third of workers all getting a sick certificate on the one day is logistically impossible, let alone logically improbable

    Toyota workers get 5 days paid sick leave without the need to provide a medical certificate.

    So you are wrong again TomR.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2015 11:37 pm

    Libs love high unemployment, there will always be higher unemployment under a liberal govt.
    Business likes to have people begging for whatever crumbs they wish to throw at them.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2015 12:05 am

    Higher unemployment, lower wages, increased private debt as govt shifts public debt onto households, reducing and privatising public services and greater wealth accumulation for the already wealthy. That is the inequitable and inevitable outcome of a liberal govt.

    Hopefully another generation has become wise to another liberal govt, this one who has been worse than all the rest and will get turfed out asap.

    Bill Shorten and the $80 million unions royal commission:
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/07/11/bill-shorten-and-the-80-million-unions-royal-commission/14365368002105#.VaEGsAigrGE.twitter

    …As The Guardian has tallied it, the government has not headed Labor in any published poll in the past 15 months. There have been 151 of them. The ALP has led in 149 of them and was level-pegging in two. This suggests a hardened negative attitude in the electorate to the Coalition. It undermines Abbott’s consoling belief that no matter what voters think of him, they won’t buy Shorten.

    The polls suggest otherwise. Abbott’s over-the-top performance on national security and the ABC has not delivered dividends. In fact, Labor ticked up in both this week’s newspaper polls. The Australian’s veteran commentator Paul Kelly has a damning assessment. He writes, “There are dangerous signs of a prime minister reverting to bad habits – too ideological, too arrogant and too unilateral.”…

  172. July 12, 2015 12:09 am

    You sound like Noam (makethemsquirt…easier to squirt than address the point).

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 3:56 am

    Libs love high unemployment, there will always be higher unemployment under a liberal govt

    I cannot understand why you ALP/Greens supporters are so nasty.. The facts are unemployment is generally higher under a Labor govt.

    Unemployment was at 2% when Gough got in. He quickly doubled it to 4%. Hawke was handed unemployment at 8% in 1983 and it was at 8% in 1996 with 30 months of double digit unemployment in between. Unemployment was at 11% when Keating became PM. Unemployment was at 4.3% when Howard lost in 2007 and at 5.8% in 2013 when Rudd lost.

    Name me a Labor govt where unemployment is lower than what they were handed??

    The most successful recent govt in reducing unemployment was the Howard govt who took unemployment from 8% in 1996 to 4% in 2007.

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2015 7:16 am

    The difference between Howard and Keating’s years was no recession, both howard and keating reaped the rewards of hawke’s reforms.

    Howard’s regime is compared here to that of comparable countries. Increased household debt, more privatisation, especially in education.

    The Howard impact:
    http://insidestory.org.au/the-howard-impact

    …It is also widely agreed among economists that both leaders benefited from a delayed pay-off from the many economic reforms undertaken by the Hawke government.

    Figure 2 charts a dismal history of progressively worsening unemployment from the mid 1970s to the mid 1990s. Then, in the absence of a recession, the record improved under Howard, at first modestly and then considerably. Australia again tended to move in tandem with the other economies, with some variations: at first, Australia had a lower unemployment rate than the selected countries as a whole, but from Fraser on it was somewhat higher, only falling to less than the average during the very last period under the Howard government…

    …Australia experienced one of the sharpest rises in prices, so mortgages in relation to income have grown prodigiously during the Howard years. In fact, home loan interest payments were higher than when housing interest rates peaked at 17 per cent in 1989….

    Household debt:
    http://insidestory.org.au/cache/image.363e6a19b565bad3782a1966908efc15

  175. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 9:23 am

    Toyota workers get 5 days paid sick leave without the need to provide a medical certificate.

    Except when they fall directly before or after a public holiday, then they MUST have one 😉

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 9:50 am

    Except when they fall directly before or after a public holiday, then they MUST have one

    Link?

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 10:40 am

    Except when they fall directly before or after a public holiday, then they MUST have one

    I will assume you are wrong until proven otherwise.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/toyota-workers-warned-20140123-31bsj.html

    Toyota is trying to slash labour costs by $17 million by altering workers’ entitlements that allow four hours’ paid time off to donate blood, cutting Sunday penalty rates from 2½ times to twice the normal rate as well as changing provisions that allow workers to take sick leave without a medical certificate.

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2015 10:52 am

    When even The Age editorialises about Shorten’s appearance of conflict of interest, and putting his personal political ambitions ahead of the interests of members, his time is up.

    Shorten is an untrustworthy, unreliable and devious former union hack, now bringing all those characteristics to his political game.

    Regardless of the Libs motives for establishing this Royal Commission, it has put the spotlight on some unsavoury union official tactics and behaviours. That’s in the public interest.

  179. armchair opionator permalink
    July 12, 2015 12:10 pm

  180. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 1:20 pm

    I will assume you are wrong until proven otherwise.

    You know what they say when you ass-u-me 😉

    In section 70.3
    The absence is immediately before or after Annual Leave or a Public Holiday

    https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awards/tracee/agreements/pdf/AG841019-2.pdf

  181. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 1:22 pm

    Wow ao, from your tweeted link prohibiting new wind funding.

    Open for Business? 😯

    Even if you are ideologically opposed, business is still business.

  182. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 2:13 pm

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 12, 2015 2:14 pm

    Wind-farming isn’t business. It is rent-seeking with special benefits to investment bankers, all tacked onto your electricity bill.. No wonder Labor made one chairman of the CSIRO.

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 2:23 pm

    In section 70.3
    The absence is immediately before or after Annual Leave or a Public Holiday

    So all those references to 30% of the Toyota workforce not turning up the day after a public holiday are wrong?? I doubt that. The next section says this.

    70.4 Maximum Number of Days without Proof (for Personal illness only)
    If the Supervisor does not require proof as above, the following table outlines the maximum number of days Employees may be absent without proof.

    Looks like there may be some discretion if the supervisor agrees.

  185. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 2:41 pm

    So all those references to 30% of the Toyota workforce not turning up the day after a public holiday are wrong?

    You mean the one guy? With a barrel to push. When reality shows just how unlikely/improbable/impossible this is

  186. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 2:41 pm

    It is rent-seeking

    You mean like coal mining? 🙂

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 3:02 pm

    You mean the one guy?

    Well i quoted 2 guys. One was an Aussie guy the other a Japanese. But there is this comment earlier

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/09/blib-on-the-block/#comment-109919

    It says the opposite of what the Workplace Agreement appears to say. If the 30% figure is wrong i am sure a Union rep would have issued a statement saying that it never happened.

  188. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 3:24 pm

    It says the opposite of what the Workplace Agreement appears to say.

    You mean one guy with a barrow to push said the opposite to what Toyotas specific EBA stated. And your defense is no Union rep corrected him ROFL

    If Union reps went out correcting every time a paper (all of which are very anti Union) printed LIES they’d be too busy to actually do their job, which is providing workers protection.

    Yea, so keep regurgitating proven lies by vested interests like they mean something. I’m sticking with reality.

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 3:42 pm

    You mean one guy with a barrow to push said the opposite to what Toyotas specific EBA stated.

    Actually it was a third guy Paul Dundon who said it as well.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/absenteeism-reflects-sick-organisation-20120206-i3o2z

    In terms of the “extended long weekend” complained of by Toyota, some companies demand medical certificates if a sick day butts onto a weekend or public holiday.

    To do this, however, Toyota would have to negotiate this change with its unions, Dundon says.

    Perhaps Dundon got it wrong. But i am sure a Union rep would have corrected such a falsehood because the accusation was repeated many times by several journalists

    And there was this from the Workplace Agreement

    70.4 Maximum Number of Days without Proof (for Personal illness only)
    If the Supervisor does not require proof as above, the following table outlines the maximum number of days Employees may be absent without proof.

  190. July 12, 2015 3:48 pm

    fairfax”””The government has twice tried to abolish the corporation but has been blocked by the Senate. The bill to abolish the corporation is a potential double dissolution election trigger.

    Set up by the Gillard government, the corporation seeks to mobilise capital investment in all sorts of renewable energy. It started investing two years ago, making contracted investments of $900 million in its first year.”””via-ao

    http://t.co/q38hoZs1uW #auspol

    fairfax”””’The federal government has ordered the Clean Energy Finance Corporation against investing further in wind energy.

    Treasurer Joe Hockey and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann​ have issued the so-called green bank with a directive to change its investment mandate, prohibiting new wind funding. It’s understood the directive was issued without the approval or knowledge of Environment Minister Greg Hunt, angering the minister.

    The decision is another blow for the multibillion-dollar wind industry, which has just started to recover from the uncertainty created by the government’s Renewable Energy Target review. Analysts say $8.7 billion is expected to be invested in wind power in the next five years, while the corporation has invested about $300 million in wind projects to date.

    And international investors are warning the government’s move sends a bad message about how safe it is to do business in Australia.”””

    +

    #ha-ha, the `open-4-business` imbeciles are arse-fcuking themselves again on many, many levels. Fcuking-over biz-investment, fcuking over future-jobs, fcuking over related tech-development.

    #the off-grid powerwall-type techs must be rubbing their hands in pure glee over these imbeciles and their fetishes. #ROFL

  191. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 4:41 pm

    Of course, nils issue could well come from the churnalists (in)ability to correctly transfer information to their readers (or their dextrous ability to make it sound like their masters want, ie, Unions = BOO)

    From the smh

    Earlier this month, Toyota’s chief executive in Australia admitted there are occasions – especially the day after a public holiday – when a third of his employees chuck a sickie.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/managing/work-in-progress/sick-and-tired-of-absenteeism-20120216-1tcdy.html#ixzz3fem2MpKi

    from the afr

    Yasuda says as many as 30 per cent of employees in some part of the plant will take the day off as a “sickie” if a Friday work day follows a Thursday public holiday – as was the case with Australia Day recently.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/absenteeism-reflects-sick-organisation-20120206-i3o2z

    So, perhaps there was some part of the plant that has about 10 workers and three of them might have pulled a sickie. That I can believe. I cannot believe that half the entire workforce pulled a sickie, simply for the fact that, as I have shown, it is logistically, if not probably, impossible.

    Be very wary reading loaded language nil, it warps your already warped mind into places it probably shouldn’t go 😉

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 4:59 pm

    Be very wary reading loaded language nil, it warps your already warped mind into places it probably shouldn’t go

    I am sure if the statement was entirely wrong the Union would have made a statement. You cannot let such a comment go through to the keeper. I have never seen any comment saying the 30% figure was wrong. And then we have 70.4

    If the Supervisor does not require proof as above, the following table outlines the maximum number of days Employees may be absent without proof.

    But i have read enough to know the Unions made almost no effort to help productivity. They deserve to lose their jobs. The Unions took Toyota to court to stop something as sensible as this.

    (i) reduction in the minimum Christmas shutdown period from 21 days to 8 days (ie from 25 December to 1 January

  193. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 5:02 pm

    I am sure if the statement was entirely wrong the Union would have made a statement.

    Yea, cos Unions have nothing better to do than troll churnalists.

    But i have read enough to know the Unions made almost no effort to help productivity.

    Of course, this is ignoring the fact that the automotive industry is one of the most productive in the country, and one of the most Unionised. And, after ‘your reading’ has just been exposed above … well 😉

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2015 5:02 pm

    Sound familiar?

    BRITISH Culture Secretary John Whittingdale has appointed an expert panel to oversee a root and branch review of the BBC as part of the process for renewing the broadcaster’s royal charter.

    It will also suggest that the BBC website should be scaled back, question whether the corporation’s news fulfils its obligation to be impartial, examine whether more of the broadcaster’s output should be independently produced and consider the future of BBC Worldwide, the Sunday Times reported.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/uk-expert-panel-to-review-bbc-charter/story-e6frfkui-1227438901566

  195. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 5:19 pm

    This is what the party of compassion did from 2007-2013 and will do again if they win the next election.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard….Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    Now that is an abomination brought to you by the ALP and the people who voted for Rudd in 2007.

  196. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 5:56 pm

    Now that is an abomination brought to you by the ALP

    As opposed to the abomination of a policy that kills people by our own hand.

  197. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:01 pm

  198. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:06 pm

    bulb is calling out yabot fer an ol’ fashioned shoot out.

    Good luck with that bulb, we know it aint gonna happen. But it will further highlight just how gutless the bully is.

    “I answered over 900 questions in Tony Abbott’s Royal Commission, I’m happy to talk about workplace relations. I do say this though, it is $80 million spent to smear its political opponents and I say if Mr Abbott has the courage of his convictions he shouldn’t be hiding behind a Royal Commission to do his political dirty work.

    “Have a debate with me Mr Abbott in the Parliament or any town hall in Australia about workplace relations,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday, when asked by The Australian Financial Review on whether he would opt to reappear before the commission.

    I’ll back up 25 years of improving people’s job security, of real wage increases, I don’t recall Mr Abbott ever negotiating a wage rise for anyone other than the barristers he is paying at the Royal Commission.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bill-shorten-attacks-low-rent-union-royal-commission-20150712-giae55?stb=twt

    I do recall though yabots grubmint killing all those years of work in one fell swoop by telling an entire industry to “fuck off!”

    And now they wonder why SA has a sky rocketting unemployment rate? Hard to fathom.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:09 pm

    As opposed to the abomination of a policy that kills people by our own hand.

    TR, you know its a troll and you keep ….?????

    Let it shrivel … it might drop off …

    The lack of mandatory skills assessment story bothers me … and Robb’s “answer”

    Particularly this … my bold … so the Immigration Dept is now the defacto RTO … ?

    An additional skills assessment from a registered training organisation approved by Trades Recognition Australia will be conducted if further verification is required by the Immigration Department.

    http://trademinister.gov.au/releases/Pages/2015/ar_mr_150707.aspx

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:15 pm

    TR, you know its a troll and you keep ….?????

    After commenting since 2007 i am still called a troll??

    Did you read the link i posted about how Labor used the kids they had locked up.

    Obviously you are losing the argument so you resort to abuse. Further from the same link in the detention centers your vote created in 2007

    Mr Lake resigned from his role as director of processing and transfers at Nauru in April 2013.

    He told the inquiry the language used in the detention centres – such as calling people “clients” and referring to them by identification numbers rather than names – had a dehumanising effect on asylum seeks.

    “The language is not a strategy in and of itself but it is definitely part of a broader intention to dehumanise,” he said.

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:15 pm

    so the Immigration Dept is now the defacto RTO

    It’s fucken frightening isn’t it.

    “We will decide who wires your house, and the manner in which it is wired”

    ffs, they really don’t understand a thing about what happens down in the real world do they. ‘lectricity works cos!

    And this is the same mob who ran a horrid campaign accusing Labor ministers of killing people. But the reality is far different

    A national workplace survey has highlighted the failure of the Federal Government to act against workplace death and injury.

    http://theaimn.com/i-guess-the-minister-is-only-responsible-if-the-minister-isnt-tony-abbott/

  202. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:16 pm
  203. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:16 pm

    After commenting since 2007 i am still called a troll??

    You haven’t really posted anything since 2007 to convince anyone otherwise to be honest nil

  204. July 12, 2015 6:38 pm

    so, the bbc is being `monstered` by uk-govt, must be a teabag-govt in uk

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:56 pm

    … must be a teabag-govt in uk

    Why, how clever, tbagz …

    One of the fascinating things about travelling in the Western “democracies” is how the same “policies” seem to crop up at the same time … by the same tory/conservative/republican or labor/labour/democrat governments/parties …

    … we truly are ruled by Robber Barons! (and Mad Abbotts!)

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2015 6:57 pm

    so, the bbc is being `monstered` by uk-govt, must be a teabag-govt in uk

    Actually a better word would be molested …

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 8:30 pm

    You haven’t really posted anything since 2007 to convince anyone otherwise to be honest nil

    We have differences of opinion. One of us tells truths and one of us tells falsehoods. I have always believed that ALP will always produce debt and unemployment.

    This needs to be posted again. This is the natural outcome of ALP policies which most people on this blog voted for.

    “Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard….Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    And this will happen again if the ALP/Greens get back in. And it was ALP/Greens policies that destroyed Greece.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2015 8:49 pm

    How many industries will this government TRASH!

    A directive banning the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in existing wind technology will also apply to small-scale solar projects, a move that will effectively throttle the industry, the Australian Solar Council said …

    … it has emerged the government’s investment directive also applies to small-scale solar technology like rooftop panels that generate up to 100 kilowatts of power.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/12/abbott-government-extends-ban-on-renewable-energy-to-solar-panels

    This will effectively deny small to medium enterprises (SMEs) from taking advantage of any government assistance for wind or solar energy … y’know the very same SMEs they are supposed to be “assisting” … (not forgetting the SMEs involved in the renewable energy industry itself).

    And of course the renewable energy industry will collapse … it’s like watching Attila the Abbott charge about burning, raping, pillaging the country …

    (For those unfamiliar with “kilowatts” … as an example my solar system generates 4.5Kw from 22 panels … enough for normal use and some feed to the grid …)

    Wake Up Australia!

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 9:02 pm

    This is so true

  210. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2015 9:15 pm

    One of us tells truths and one of us tells falsehoods.

    ” there was a public holiday on Thursday and 30% of the workforce took a sickie of Friday.”

    yea .. right 😉

    How many industries will this government TRASH!

    How many won’t they?

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2015 9:36 pm

    yea .. right

    Still havn’t proved it wrong that 30% of the workforce did not turn up. I go on my gut instincts and say it is true otherwise a Union rep would have got up and said the slur was wrong.

    But you have never apologised for saying the Coalition cut ALL assistance to the car industry when funding was legislated until 2020 under the ATS. And you have never apologised for saying Hockey threatened Holden when it was Holden who threatened Hockey. Holden also threatened to leave under Gillard but she bent over and gave Holden everything they demanded and destroyed our car industry in doing so.

  212. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:08 am

    Still havn’t proved it wrong that 30% of the workforce did not turn up.

    What, the fact that one story says all, whilst the one they stole it from says “some”, and the fact that I have shown the absolute ridiculousness of the proposition with actual documents legally tendered and your defense is “the union should refute the statement”

    You need to prove your statement, not some bastardised quote from another bastardised quote that doesn’t stand up to the most cursory inspection.

    But you have never apologised for saying the Coalition cut ALL assistance

    Quick question to nil from Earth. If they didn’t cut it, what was it they were they “re-instating”?

  213. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:19 am

    The yabot grubmint, doing all it can to drive up electricity costs for consumers.

    After the way they went on about “Whyalla of the map” this is just unbelievable

    The Abbott government has opened up another front in its war on renewable energy by pulling the plug on investments in the most common form of alternative energy, rooftop and small-scale solar.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-pulls-the-plug-on-household-solar-20150712-gian0u.html#ixzz3fiaqzDSx

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:25 am

    Quick question to nil from Earth. If they didn’t cut it, what was it they were they “re-instating”?

    Just further proof of your deceit. You know the answer. After Holden/Toyota announced they were leaving, i think in 2017, there was some discussion about whether the Rudd/Gillard funding should be continued to 2020 to an industry that was leaving. After proposing to cut, not cut but proposing, they changed their mind and continued the funding until the industry leaves,

    As long as Holden/Toyota was staying funding was legislated until 2020.

    Why be so deceitful TomR?

    the fact that I have shown the absolute ridiculousness of the proposition

    You never commented on Section 70.4

  215. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:29 am

    Looks like yabot thinks he’s on a winner kicking Unions. Has he forgotten worstchoices already? Couple this with the upcoming rallies against the China FuckedTradeDeal, and he’s either carzy brave, or just crazy.

    No amount of lipstick the already untrusted media can paint onto this pig, people know what Unions are for. Our current standard of living

    The Abbott government plans to give itself the option of calling a double-dissolution election based on trade union corruption when Parliament resumes in mid-August.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-abbott-lines-up-doubledissolution-election-over-workplace-relations-20150712-giagki

    I did love this bit

    Senator Abetz found himself accusing Labor of dirty politics when Mr Fitzgibbon claimed the former legal firm of Senator Abetz in Hobart was paid $17 million to work with the Royal Commission.

    The Insiders site has a “clarification” up on that as well

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2015/s4272268.htm

    Sad that the “clarification” didn’t elaborate, in that he should have said brandis, not abetz. So go on libs, keep drawing attention to that

  216. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:33 am

    You never commented on Section 70.4

    I shouldn’t need to, it is fairly explicit.

    “If the Supervisor does not require proof as above”

    So, if the proof is not required “as above” (ie, if it not directly after a public holiday etc) then they have a 5 days they don’t need it.

    The period in question was directly after a public holiday, therefore, the supervisor needs proof

    After proposing to cut, not cut but proposing,

    Then why did it need re-instating?

  217. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:44 am

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:46 am

    Then why did it need re-instating?

    Almost no point in replying to the brain dead. You proclaimed that Hockey stopped funding to the auto industry BEFORE they announced they were leaving. Rudd/Gillard funding was there until 2020, legislated, in the budget, guaranteed as long as Holden/Toyota stayed until 2020.

    Why fund from 2017 to 2020 if they are leaving in 2017? Furthermore their was some discussion to cut funding even earlier which they announced and then changed their minds.

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:49 am

  220. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:50 am

    You proclaimed that Hockey stopped funding to the auto industry BEFORE they announced they were leaving.

    I did? I know I said they threatened they would. I know I said they bullied them and dared to leave. Perhaps you can point to where I said what you claim?

    no point in replying to the brain dead.

    But, even my dead brain is able to work out things like Section 70.4. Is yours there yet?

  221. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:51 am

  222. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:57 am

    And our muppet wants to kill wind power because “it’s ugly”

    So much power was produced by Denmark’s windfarms on Thursday that the country was able to meet its domestic electricity demand and export power to Norway, Germany and Sweden.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/10/denmark-wind-windfarm-power-exceed-electricity-demand

    Yea, let’s get rid of all ugly

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:01 am

    “Section 70.4”

    One of the joys of unionised EBAs – process disputes – disputes about the process used to access a benefit rather than about the benefit itself. Unions love process disputes, they involve lots of interesting meetings, report backs, negotiation, trips to town for FWA hearings, and the result is even more process/red tape.

  224. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:04 am

    One of the joys of unionised EBAs is that they clearly articulate rights and responsibilities of employees and employers, which actually minimise disputes, as it is clearly written (well, for some it is clear)

    And they keep it to under 2 feet thick too hey yomm 😆

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:22 am

    If you say so.

    For example-

    Supervisor (to worker) – You were absent and I’ll need a sick certificate.
    Worker – Why?
    Supervisor – Because you were absent, and the EBA says I can ask for one
    Worker – But 200 other people were absent and the other supervisors haven’t asked for one
    Supervisor – I’m not concerned with everyone else, I’m asking you for one
    Worker – I’m being discriminated against, and I’m going to see the delegate
    Delegate – Did you warn him last time he was absent that he has to provide a certificate in the future?
    Supervisor – No, but the EBA says I can ask for one anyway
    Delegate – How can he go to the doctors to get a certificate now that he’s back at work?
    Supervisor – I don’t know but I’m allowed to ask for a certificate
    Delegate – He’ll have to take the rest of the day off work to go back to the doctor to get one. Why is he being singled out?
    Supervisor – He can’t take the of the day off because we’re already behind and he’s not being singled out, I’m just asking for a certificate, like it says in the EBA
    Delegate – Show me the company policy that allows you to single out a particular employee
    Supervisor – I don’t think there is such a policy
    Delegate – Then there should be one, and I’m going to get the union to raise a dispute at FWA about the lack of policy.

  226. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:28 am

    For example-

    Supervisor (to worker) – You were absent and I’ll need a sick certificate.
    Worker – Why?

    Supervisor – because your Union negotiated eba stated that I require one for directly after a public holiday

    Worker – oh shit!

    Of course, the other option is ….. the executive is being a bit free with numbers when he says a ‘segment’ of the workforce had a third away sick, and then the smh was being even freer with the truth when they expanded that out to ALL.

  227. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:39 am

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:40 am

    Worker – oh shit!

    …and with that Tom R demonstrates that he has never worked in a unionised manufacturing plant.

  229. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:41 am

    Got a link for the expenses claimed by the other HRCs?

    Otherwise it is just a Fairfax agenda.

  230. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:46 am

    …and with that Tom R demonstrates that he has never worked in a unionised manufacturing plant.

    And with that, yomm shows he hasn’t a clue.

    Got a link for the expenses claimed by the other HRCs?

    Got a link for the other HRC’s claiming they didn’t use “luxury” travel?

  231. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:48 am

    Obviously this is a LIE, because if a politician was found to have taken money from a mafia member, it would be front page, rather than a decade old lapse of updating a register.

  232. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:58 am

    Speaking of being ‘free’ with hte truth, it appears fran kelly continues to play for her chosen team, directly against abc policy. Will there be an inquiry?

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:58 am

    Business class for international business trips is generally regarded as standard, not luxury.

    Does Triggs travel in economy class when she’s off overseas?

  234. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:00 am

    Does Triggs travel in economy class when she’s off overseas?

    Does Triggs claim she doesn’t?

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:00 am

    …and I think my example looks more realistic in a Toyota plant than someone saying “oh shit” when reminded of the EBA.

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:01 am

    First class is luxury.

    Business class is standard for business travel.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:02 am

    “for international business travel”

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:04 am

    Business class for international business trips is generally regarded as standard, not luxury.

    While I agree with this statement … the comedy script on EBAs above is just that …

  239. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:12 am

    Business class is standard for business travel.

    Possibly for someone who thinks that ignoring a Union negotiated eba is standard practice in manufacturing.

    I have flown several times for business, all in cattle class on the red eyes. Guess my “business” aint up to scratch?

    I do recall one case when I was still working in manufacturing in which a guy I worked with was sacked for being constantly late. The employer had given him his three written warnings (in fact, they were up to 5 from memory, and had ignored many others.)

    We ended up going on strike to support him (against my wishes). It didn’t change the outcome, as the employer was completely in the right. The guy got fired, as he should have. That Union soon found itself losing a lot of members (myself included), most moving over to the other, less militant Union.

    He wasn’t the only one to be fired for not complying with a Union negotiated eba, he was the only one where the union members took action. None before or after to my knowledge. So, while it can happen, it is rare, and the legally binding eba generally wins out.

    But what would I know, as I consider cattle class as normal travel (international OR domestic).

  240. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:14 am

    the comedy script on EBAs above is just that

    It’s not even comedy

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:16 am

    Australia’s finance sector heavily exposed to climate risk, report says:
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/12/australias-finance-sector-heavily-exposed-to-climate-risk-report-says

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:20 am

    Most employers will provide business class travel for international travel of over 3 hours. I bet public servants don’t travel in economy for international business travel.

    Business class is comfortable, not luxury. But it is less comfortable than your longue at home.

  243. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:23 am

    But it is less comfortable than your longue at home.

    What is it with yomm and assumptions?

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:23 am

    So your union closed a site for a few days over someone that deserved the sack!!

    That’s a sensational example of typically responsible union action!!

    …and you don’t think they’d argue the point over a medical certificate, when a supervisor seeks one from an individual, where this hasn’t previously been warned (even though it’s in the EBA)

  245. July 13, 2015 10:23 am

    “”Most employers will provide business class travel for international travel of over 3 hours””

    ToM demonstrates that he hasn’t worked for an Australian company since 1986.

  246. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:34 am

    So your union closed a site for a few days over someone that deserved the sack!!

    No, several guys (about a third) didn’t work for a day over someone that deserved the sack!!

    That’s a sensational example of typically responsible union action!!

    As I tried to highlight, that wasn’t “typical”, it was extreme, and the one and only case I have ever come across in my 20 years of working in a highly unionised manufacturing sector

    …and you don’t think they’d argue the point over a medical certificate

    For a claimed 30% of the workforce? Yes, I KNOW the company would stand their ground, and make examples of people. This doesn’t seem to have happened. What seems to have occurred is one section (with maybe three people where one was away) has been used to describe an entire workforce.

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:40 am

    Well, maybe I’m just familiar with decent companies that understand the rigours of travel. BUT I guarantee that there wouldn’t be a public servant that would be required to go to Bangkok for work in economy class.
    ——————
    As I’ve said, unions love process disputes. No doubt Tom R, they argued that your former colleague should have got an additional warning.

  248. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:43 am

    there wouldn’t be a public servant that would be required to go to Bangkok for work in economy class.

    Perhaps not, but which ones would claim that not flying economy is? Who would say this?

    “Not indulgent, fly economy, stay in average hotels, all rates are set by an independent body,” he wrote in response to one of his Twitter followers who had claimed his spending was “indulgent and unacceptable”.

    When they are not in fact flying economy?

    As I’ve said, unions love process disputes.

    As I said, this happened ONCE in my experience of over 20 years. Unions I found, on the whole, liked resolution

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:54 am

    So?

    It’s twitter, aren’t comments limited to 140 characters? So he should have said something like –

    All my travel is in accordance with public service regulations, that is, I travel economy domestically, but in accordance with regulations, I can travel business class for international travel of over 3 hours. My accommodation is also in accordance with the regulations

  250. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:55 am

    So he should have said something like –

    “Not indulgent, fly business class”

    You know, be truthful.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 11:00 am

    But what would I know, as I consider cattle class as normal travel (international OR domestic).

    Actually most of my clients only paid for business if the flight was over five hours (a couple over three) … but a Q gold frequent flyer membership helps a lot … 😉

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 11:02 am

    But it is less comfortable than your longue at home.

    What is it with yomm and assumptions?

    What is with ToM and longues?? 😮

  253. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 11:08 am

    What is with ToM and longues?

    I think that answer would lie under the “too much information” Section 70.4 😉

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 11:11 am

    Seen on the side of a Brisbane City truck picking up large household item on the footpath … big sticker – CURBSIDE PICKUP …

    … you really have to wonder about our education system …

    … how many people would have seen/approved that before it was sent to the printer “little lone” after the fkn thing was stuck on the truck!

  255. July 13, 2015 11:31 am

    “”… you really have to wonder about our education system …””

    Where abouts was this truck again….?

  256. July 13, 2015 11:34 am
  257. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:09 pm

    Where abouts was this truck again….?

    … I hear most of the street rubbish is being shipped to Melbourne for resale …

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:11 pm

    sreb, is that BREAKING story anywhere on the interwebby?

  259. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    is that BREAKING story anywhere on the interwebby?

    C’mon TB, where did you just read it 😉

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:35 pm

    I didn’t read anything but the twitter above … not all of us are “connected” (nor want to be) …

  261. July 13, 2015 12:38 pm

    “”sreb, is that BREAKING story anywhere on the interwebby?””

    The Mining industry is quite up front about it…


    Australia’s mining and resource companies have left the Labor Party out in the cold, with electoral commission figures showing the industry’s bias towards the Liberals.

    With the industry still smarting after Labor’s introduction of the mining tax in 2010, total resource and energy company political donations to the ALP reached $452,980 for the financial year 2013-14, compared to $1,718,439 to the LNP and $114,405 to the Nationals.

    http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/political-donations-lean-heavily-towards-liberals

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:39 pm

    Bit like the lull before the storm today … 🙂

    Must be too cold for the tories …

  263. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:41 pm

    fyi, if yer quick

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:42 pm

    Ta, sreb … I guess the question begs why should they be able to donate anyway …

    Maybe a limit per annum – drastically below $1 million

    … and if they donate to one party ALL parties should get the same … and declared immediately to the Federal ICAC … oh, wait!

    Pretty blatant buying pollies to my mind …

  265. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 12:49 pm

    I didn’t read anything but the twitter above

    perhaps I was being a bit too facetious 😉

  266. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2015 1:35 pm

    “… I hear most of the street rubbish is being shipped to Melbourne for resale ”

    Mrs Walrus asked me last night to take out the rubbish.

    I replied “No way………………..you were the one that cooked it”

  267. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2015 1:43 pm

    A middle aged man lays in a hospital bed struggling to breath and speak with an oxygen mask over his mouth.

    In walks a very attractive young nurse.

    Nurse : “Hello Mr Smith I’m here to give you an upper body wash”

    The nurse hears a reply

    “Are my testicles black ?”

    She is shocked at the question

    Sorry sir what was that

    The nurse hears a reply

    “Are my testicles black?”

    “Mr Smith I’m here to do an upper body wash”

    The nurse hears a reply

    “Are my testicles black?”

    The nurse decides to check under Mr Smith’s bed gown.

    She touches his penis and fondles his testicles

    Then she says

    “No sir your testicles are fine”

    Mr Smith then reaches to his face and pulls the oxygen mask away and says

    “Nurse that felt wonderful…………………………..but are my test results back ?”

  268. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2015 2:07 pm

    “Maybe a limit per annum – drastically below $1 million

    … and if they donate to one party ALL parties should get the same … and declared immediately to the Federal ICAC …”

    Should apply to unions as well.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 2:40 pm

    Walrus humour? 😮

    No question about that either, sb … my apologies, I tend to treat ALL donations equally …

    ‘Tis buying favours … destroying any vestige of democracy we may have … you can see how far that got the USA …

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 2:51 pm

    Should apply to unions as well.

    That sounds fair, but you can guarantee that the union barrackers will split hairs about “donations” and “affiliation fees”

  271. July 13, 2015 3:49 pm

    Talcum’s going to be on the 730 report tonight.

    (He got a note from the headmaster)..

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 4:17 pm

    (He got a note from the headmaster)..

    But he should have been on Q&A … I guess one on one is easier … for LNP “Adult Ministers” …

  273. July 19, 2015 10:07 pm

    2319 .. that`s a nice pile of horse-shit at `July 13, 2015 9:22 am` boo-of-melb produced with the `worker`, the `delegate`, and the `supervisor`.

    #But boo of melb hasn`t been totally honest with the `viewers` in that little panto, have you `boo`.?

  274. July 19, 2015 10:31 pm

    Tb”””But he should have been on Q&A”””

    #No-way teebz, l can`t see mr-talkbull doing anything to make him be held in even lower esteem by the zombies than he already is, this isn`t a time to indulge in spinal growth, it`s the time to match bananasby in the arena of `loyal-obedient-puppet`.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2015 10:56 am

    My very own personal troll!

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