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Will the Abbott Government call an Early Election?

July 13, 2015

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The word on the street in Canberra is that senior MPs from within the skanky ranks of the Abbott government are feverishly plotting a secret plan to unleash a premature election on an unsuspecting Australian public.  (It worked it Queensland didn’t it?).

Apparently, and at this point we acknowledge the tireless efforts of our exclusive sources, the Gutter Trash can reveal that plans are definitely afoot in the wake of a conga line of consistently poor polls for the government despite nuclear efforts to ramp up the Government’s credentials of national security, boat people and its erstwhile pass times of Union bashing and weeing on the ABC.

In fact, the Abbott government has lagged in national support for the last 18 months, and currently sits on about 47 per cent after preferences. Give or take a per cent or so, that’s what the pollsters are mostly saying. Week in, week out.

The latest results from Newspoll, typically the most LNP sympathetic pollster, put the national outcome at 53 to 47 in the opposition’s favour. Swing-wise the biggest contributing states were the ones the ALP did particularly poorly in 2013, Queensland and WA. The smallest movers were NSW and South Australia.

The Government had hoped that the Royal Commission into Union Corruption would have landed some killer blows on Bill Shorten’s political fortunes however it fizzled out without fanfare.

The Government also underestimated the considerable public sentiment in favour of supporting the ABC which has amounted to an extraordinary own goal of momentous proportions all carried out in the mainstream media.

More recently, Tony Abbott has shafted Nationals Leader Barnaby Joyce with the approval of the Shenhua Watermark coalmine to be built near Gunnedah in northern New South Wales.  The plan will see a large open-cut coalmine constructed across about 35sq km with three large extraction pits.

Coalmines have rarely been popular with local communities but this one has been particularly controversial because it is situated in the Liverpool Plains, an area of sorghum and legume farms, which is often described as a food bowl for Australia.

Whether the Government goes for an early election remains to be seen, however it is certainly preparing the groundwork for a double dissolution trigger, which suggests it’s keeping its options open.

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267 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 3:22 pm

    I’m pretty sure they will. I mean, do you think they really want to have to go through another budget humiliation?

    Bring it on 😉

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2015 3:41 pm

    Surprise, surprise – the local CFMEU shill doesn’t want Unionland bosses to have the same sort of responsibilities as company directors.

  3. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 3:47 pm

    doesn’t want Unionland bosses to have the same sort of responsibilities as company directors.

    Is that because they have a different function than company directors, or because the levels of corruption for Unions is so vastly lower than companies?

  4. ComicSans permalink
    July 13, 2015 4:04 pm

    “skanky”

    That is one word we just don’t hear often enough.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 4:16 pm

    DD? Oh, please DO IT!

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2015 4:50 pm

    This is a great issue to call a DD on.

    People are sick of corrupt thieving union thugs. The unions own Labor outright so every time Labor gets to power it lets the union mongrels off the leash.

    Given what we have learned lately about Shifty Shorten’s exploits in extracting cash from employers for his own personal benefit, Abbott will probably win!

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 6:16 pm

    Winter is coming …

    (Actually its fkn here!)

  8. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 6:21 pm

    extracting cash from employers for his own personal benefit

    Link?

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 6:24 pm

    People are sick of corrupt thieving union thugs.

    So are union members … they are also sick of … see above … July 13, 2015 3:22 pm

    Throwing mud will stick to you too …

    All those people insulted or attacked or deceived or lied to … all those groups belittled and patronised …

    If you think people will miss the incompetence, arrogance and fascist tendencies of the Abbott government by constantly spouting about unions … think again … pay and conditions are still being attacked … fought for by unionists and their families decades ago …

    All you see is the old fascist communist conflict … like tories everywhere the plebs must be controlled, frightened, starved and attacked wherever they are found … comfort is for the blessed few …

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2015 6:41 pm

    “Link?”

    See Blib’s belated election funding disclosure.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2015 6:45 pm

    TB, I don’t particularly care who wins the next election. Nothing good will happen either way.

    OK, on reflection the incompetent incumbent should get the arse because there is always the possibility, however forlorn, that Blib may be a good PM.

  12. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 7:19 pm

    See Blib’s belated election funding disclosure.

    So, it is neither cash, nor is it “shifty”. It is very standard operating procedures in today’s politics.

    Just fer “accuracies” sake of course 🙂

  13. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 7:22 pm

    and fer “accuracy” and “context”

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:01 pm

    No-one to fight for employee wages and conditions (pay rises have been flat for a few years now) …

    How do you deal with this daily occurrence … ?

    Tarik Yalcin, from CWB The House of Quality Meat, which supplies products to the hospitality industry in Victoria, said prices of steak and sausages had increased more than 30 per cent in six years, and he did not think they were likely to come down again.

    “Everything gets driven by the export prices,” Mr Yalcin told Fairfax. “We ring our suppliers on a daily basis to get chuck or silverside and one day they say it’s $7 and the next it’s $9.

    “And they say ‘take it or leave it’ because if we don’t want it, the export market does … this is the new normal.”

    Freeze prices? Oh, no we can never freeze prices! But governments have frozen wages …

    however forlorn, that Blib may be a good PM.

    Or not … I too am ambivalent … still, even Howard was a bit (only a bit) easier to swallow than The Mad Abbott … leaners and lifters, he said?

    Well I believe there are builders and destroyers …

    … the latter term being used in a military context suits our Fearless Fuhrer admirably (mm another militaristic term – sort of) …

    … and there are givers and takers … this government falls into the latter category too easily …

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:09 pm

    And yer reckon we don’t need a Royal Commission into The Robber Barons Business and Employment Practices ?

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/30/immigration-darwin-company-fined-175000-for-457-visa-rule-breaches

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2015 8:18 pm

    VOTE INFORMAL!

  17. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2015 9:39 pm

    VOTE INFORMAL!

    I was just going to wear a T-shirt and jeans

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2015 10:43 pm

    OK, on reflection the incompetent incumbent should get the arse because there is always the possibility, however forlorn, that Blib may be a good PM.

    You most probably said the same thing about Howard and look at all the trouble Rudd/Gillard gave us. Rising debt, unemployment, trashed borders, trashed budgets, trashed everything. It will takes years to put humpty dumpty back together again.

    The economic numbers in 2007 were the best for a generation and dumb Australia voted for change.

  19. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 8:30 am

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:16 am

    Love good satire, TR … well found!

  21. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:41 am

    Love good satire,/i>

    That was satire? I thought it was a re-enactment. My bad 😉

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:42 am

    and fer “accuracy” and “context”

    Are those numbers in the figure correct? This link seems to give numbers

    http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/political-donations-lean-heavily-towards-liberals

    With the industry still smarting after Labor’s introduction of the mining tax in 2010, total resource and energy company political donations to the ALP reached $452,980 for the financial year 2013-14, compared to $1,718,439 to the LNP and $114,405 to the Nationals.

    SMH reported yesterday this represented a sharp fall from ALP’s nearly 50 per cent share of political donations from the resource and energy industries in 2012-13.

    But political donations corrupt everything. Perhaps parties should get taxpayer funding to survive.

  23. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:50 am

    An update from the qanda where the Labor grubmint had to defend itself from Greens attacks for Greens decisions and a grubmint too scared to defend itself.

    FactCheck: Could a whistleblower go public without fear of prosecution under the Border Force Act?
    ……
    Verdict

    Marles was correct in his statement that medical professionals employed under the Border Force Act 2015 are able to make public disclosures about their concerns.

    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-could-a-whistleblower-go-public-without-fear-of-prosecution-under-the-border-force-act-44467

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:51 am

    “So, it is neither cash, nor is it “shifty”. It is very standard operating procedures in today’s politics.”

    Wrong again, Troll R. Cash was paid to the AWU by the phoenix labour hire company. The AWU then picked up the tab for Shifty’s campaign manger. Not that this matters it would be equally corrupt whether in cash or kind. The fact that you take the point shows what a stupid little troll you can be. This is far below your usual exemplary standard.

  25. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:51 am

    Are those numbers in the figure correct?

    Now TB, THAT’S how you do satire 😉

  26. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:24 am

    Cash was paid to the AWU by the phoenix labour hire company.

    Link?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:25 am

    Chuckle …

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:40 am

    Tom R see here and here:

    Wilson’s wages initially paid by Unibilt but a May 2007 letter from Unibilt to Cesar Melhem, Shorten’s successor as the Victorian secretary for he AWU, raises shifting the payment to the AWU – which would then invoice Unibilt the expense
    • Shorten reveals that $40,000 used to pay Wilson’s salary, and donated by Unibilt, was only declared to the AEC this week

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:43 am

    This Royal Commission into unions is a set up! Union guys are only trying to get better jobs for members!!

    The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union has boycotted a royal commission hearing in Canberra that has heard a formwork company owner was forced to pay $135,000 to secure work.
    The claim by Elias Taleb at a Royal commission into trade union governance and corruption hearing came as lawyers for the ACT branch of CFMEU decided to not attend the opening day on Monday, protesting over the timetable.
    Counsel-assisting Jeremy Stoljar questioned Taleb throughout the morning, but there were no representatives for the union present.
    The 35-year-old company owner detailed how he gave more than $135,000 to a CFMEU organiser named as Fihi – who is now no longer part of the union – during 2012 and 2013 to secure jobs in the capital.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/13/cfmeu-boycotts-unions-commission-which-hears-of-massive-bribe-payments

  30. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:50 am

    Spot on ToM! Corruption and thuggery are the way things work in Unionland. Nothing to see here. I like corruption and thuggery which is why I vilify the RC at every opportunity I get. Every ALP politician has vested financial interest in the thuggery and corruption continuing since they profit so very much from it. Corrupt unions get them pre-selection and corrupt unions fund their campaigns. Welcome to Unionland.

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:51 am

    Tom R see here and here:

    So, not “cash”, as you keep implying.

    who is now no longer part of the union

    Probably a pertinent point 😉

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 10:53 am

    Corruption and thuggery are the way things work in Unionland.

    Except that it is obviously not common

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:01 am

    “So, not “cash”, as you keep implying”

    Yes, cash. Unibilt paid cash to the AWU.

    I’m pretty sure you really don’t believe it was corruption but I’m not going on with that argument. Convincing you otherwise would be more difficult than convincing a paedophile that fucking children is wrong. Corruption is just the way things are in the party of paedophilia.

  34. Ton of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:17 am

    Nothing wrong with a secret payment to Shorten, nothing wrong with employers giving unions cash for services regardless of whether the service is provided.

    Nothing wrong with lawyers helping their lover/client do some off the books work to set up a personal slush fund either.

    It’s all totally fine and transparent in the ALP.

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:19 am

    Voters deserve more credit on assessing politicians:
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/voters-deserve-more-credit-on-assessing-politicians/story-fni0ffsx-1227440518207

    …That is how a royal commission works. It is not a court. Heydon is presiding over an investigative body that has wide coercive powers with less procedural fairness than courts.

    All royal commissions operate under terms of reference written by governments. That is why this royal commission is looking only into union corruption, not workplace corruption. This will present some problems further down the line if unions are found to have taken bribes.

    If a bribe takes place, does that not require, by definition, two corrupt parties — one who pays the bribe and one who takes it? It will be interesting to see how the royal commission deals with that question…

  36. Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:30 am

    “This will present some problems further down the line if unions are found to have taken bribes.”

    I suspect not bribes but blackmail is more likely in CFMEU land

  37. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:41 am

    I’m pretty sure you really don’t believe it was corruption but I’m not going on with that argument.

    Corruption would imply that one party benefited at the expense of another. Both parties appear to have benefited (employee and employer) That’s just good negotiating.

    Cash is bundles of money, this was wages paid for an individual

  38. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:43 am

    From your link AO

    But the media judgment about Shorten was that he was damaged just by being there in the witness box and coming under questioning.

    And then he rambles on about “voters decisions”

    What a blatant tool

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 12:08 pm

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2015 12:14 pm

    Spot on ToM!

    Five “corrupts” … and … only three “thuggeries” Welcome to Unionland.

    Change the record …

    Tarring and feathering all unions because of one is like saying all the LNP politicians are deceitful fkn liars … oh wait?

    The 35-year-old company owner detailed how he gave more than $135,000 to a CFMEU organiser named as Fihi – who is now no longer part of the union

    And the CFMEU believe should be investigated by the police …

    Convincing you otherwise would be more difficult than convincing a paedophile that fucking children is wrong. Corruption is just the way things are in the party of paedophilia.

    What a convincing argument … I’ll sign up at the local catlike church and LNP slush fund.

    If a bribe takes place, does that not require, by definition, two corrupt parties — one who pays the bribe and one who takes it? It will be interesting to see how the royal commission deals with that question…

    Especially in the event of a DD …

    I suspect not bribes but blackmail is more likely in CFMEU land

    Difficult to prove the difference … it is a case for police …

    In fact most voters just want to toss the incumbents out as quickly as possible but don’t really know where to turn …

    And deep down we all know the CFMEU has been a pain in the neck militant union for decades … but we also know that the majority of unions are run for members … those corrupt shites that float to the top are usually toppled … more quickly in my day than today, I admit but then there was more than 16% of workers in unions …

    If the unions are ousted watch the slave wages and conditions erupt … then we will know blatant corruption of a nation …

    The suffering of thousands of workers and their families to gain rights and conditions in the workplace will be swept away … not by a tory regime but a fascist dictatorship …

    Wake Up Australia!

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 12:40 pm

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2015 12:49 pm

    Yeah!!

    They’re only isolated examples of union corruption…there’s another isolated example…and another one, and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another…

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 1:16 pm

    and another…

    How many has this $80 million “uncovered” (as opposed to rehashed from what Union members have already exposed)?

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 1:16 pm

    Are we gearing up an election next March? After trashing any economic credentials that the coalition had, it might be best to have an election before the next budget is due, their management of the economy has been disastrous.

    Q&A recap: Former Liberal leader John Hewson suggests an early election for PM to avoid budget:

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/qa-recap-former-liberal-leader-john-hewson-suggests-an-early-election-for-pm-to-avoid-budget-20150714-gibhr5.html#ixzz3fpcqysli

    …After dismissing the idea that it might happen around the release of the royal commission report, he suggested that, looking at the economic forecasts for the 2016 and beyond, the government would most likely plump for a March election simply to avoid having to address their situation in the next budget. “If you look at the budgetary situation you might not want to bring another one down next May.” Oh Tony, you just got Hewsoned!…

  45. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 2:34 pm

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 2:41 pm

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2015 2:45 pm

    Indonesia live beef trade reduced by 80% from 250,000 to 50,000 because Tony is the best friend the farmer ever had

    And if Labor did not ban the cattle trade maybe Indonesia may not have tried so hard to develop their own market and to find a more reliable supplier.

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 2:53 pm

  49. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 3:07 pm

  50. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 3:10 pm

    “you’re just speculating are you”

    Isn’t that what #turd is all about?

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2015 3:15 pm

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 8:33 pm

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2015 9:22 pm

    Make no mistake, the RC was set up to do what howard’s workchoices couldn’t, defeat union power so the employers have total control of the workplace.

    Bill Shorten is not the sole target of the royal commission – workers’ power is too
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/bill-shorten-is-not-the-sole-target-of-the-royal-commission–workers-power-is-too-20150713-gib19c.html#ixzz3frZ9N8vm

    …Those who oppose the Australian labour movement understand the ability of workers to affect meaningful change stems from broad collectivist power.
    It is their view, therefore, that while nominally being allowed to exist, unions should be restricted to the status of a sporting club or a discount loyalty program. They want unions to cease being collectivist and broad, and transform into narrow organisations providing niche services to individuals.
    They demand impotence. Play a role with a political party: illegitimate. Confront bosses: unconscionable. Work co-operatively with business to achieve common goals: corrupt…

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:08 pm

    ? After trashing any economic credentials that the coalition had, it might be best to have an election before the next budget is due, their management of the economy has been disastrous.

    Actually the current economic numbers are not much different to what the Coalition was handed after the disastrous Rudd/Gillard govt.

  55. Eat Me permalink
    July 14, 2015 11:33 pm

    Actually the current economic numbers….

    De facto bankrupting of an SRC is the traditional way to purge anathematised socialist clubs and activities, yes. Viz. Raisin’ Debtor Joe: if we don’t reduce the debt’n’deficit disaster now (and we didn’t, we doubled-down), sadly, much larger cuts will have to be made later.

  56. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:58 am

    I don’t know which is worst, the fact that our daily papers run crap like this, or that I’m bewildered that they consider something announced over a year ago to be an “Exclusive”?

  57. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:59 am

    And for “historical” purposes only 😉

  58. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 8:00 am

    Is Australia still “open for business”?

    Australia’s “megaphone” diplomacy and lack of consultation with Indonesia over policies like boat turnbacks has caused widespread unhappiness in Jakarta and harmed relations, the head of the peak body representing Australian businesses operating there says.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peak-body-lashes-abbott-government-our-business-interests-in-indonesia-harmed-by-bad-diplomacy-20150714-gic4zj.html#ixzz3fuDD2jg6

  59. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:18 am

    Oh yes that Great Big Tax is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

    How much compensation will there be this time Bill……………………………..None ?

    Boats Policy and Carbon Tax will be the election battlegrounds

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:28 am

    “Bill Shorten is not the sole target of the royal commission – ”

    True enough. Unionland is riddled with corruption.

  61. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:31 am

    Boats Policy and Carbon Tax will be the election battlegrounds

    True Dat. And already, the journos are asking the in depth questions

    “But isn’t this a carbon tax”

    Was always going to happen

    Labor should answer,” if it, then so is direct inaction.”

  62. July 15, 2015 9:42 am
  63. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:46 am

    Well, he thought his last two budgets were victories too reb 😉

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:52 am

    Fairfax would say that, I guess. They will pay their own costs, at least some of Hockey’s and SMH editor Goodsir has been called out by the judge for his malice.

    Even if Hockey has to pay some money, he has been vindicated and Fairfax has been exposed as a bunch of vile trolls.

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:57 am

    Labor have discovered the key to electoral success:

    • Carbon Tax
    • Boats and Drownings
    • Protect Shonky Union Bosses
    • Shifty Shorten for PM

    Or was that Tony Abbott’s wet dream?

  66. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 10:01 am

    EXCLUSIVE!

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 11:23 am

    I can see a Royal Commission comin’ on …

    The mine was also located away from the premium farmlands of the Liverpool Plains, he said.

    “It’s in the ridge country, adjacent to the Liverpool Plains,” Mr Abbott said.

    “As all the science tells us, it’s not going to have an impact on the water table and frankly if it’s not going to damage the farming areas, if it is going to bring billions of dollars worth of economic activity and hundreds of ongoing jobs, I think we should say let’s go with it.”

    Lot of “ifs” and “thinks” … and decision avoidance … in that … the final say is with Baird … Abbott stops every other business except this one …

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 11:35 am

    Fairfax would say that, I guess. They will pay their own costs, at least some of Hockey’s and SMH editor Goodsir has been called out by the judge for his malice.

    Wrong …

    Graham Hryce is a media lawyer at Beazley Singleton. This article was first published in The Gazette of Law and Journalism.

    Even if Hockey has to pay some money, he has been vindicated and Fairfax has been exposed as a bunch of vile trolls.

    More trolls … WTF is this then @ July 15, 2015 7:58 am above … childish BS …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 11:53 am

    ALP have discovered the key to electoral success:

    • Indirect Action
    • Secrecy and Fear
    • Protecting Shonky Businesses
    • Protecting Shonky Financial Advisers
    • Lying to the Electorate
    • Tried to Deny People Under 30 a Living Wage
    • Reducing Pay & Conditions for ADF
    • Talking about Infrastructure – While Sitting On His Arse
    • Associating With Paedophile Priests
    • Attacking Living Standards of Pensioners
    • Supporting Property Investors at Taxpayer Expense
    • Doubling the Deficit in less than 2 years
    • Killing the Renewable Energy Industry
    • Insinuating Religion into State Schools at Taxpayer Expense
    • Insulting Indonesia
    • Damaging the Beef Industry
    • Insulting China
    • Insulting WWII Vets and Families (Re subs in Sydney)
    • Destroying Shipbuilding
    • Awarding Knighthoods
    • Mad Abbott for PM

    Or did Tony Abbott and its supporters just have a communal wet dream?

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 11:54 am

    TYPO (Fuck!) … LNP have discovered the key to electoral success:

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 11:54 am

    Although on another level it works I guess … 🙂

  72. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 12:05 pm

    Or did Tony Abbott and its supporters just have a communal wet dream?

    Just not a pretty picture there TB. Thanks for that (NOT)

    Although on another level it works I guess …

    You forgot the 😉 at the end though 🙂

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2015 12:18 pm

    • Doubling the Deficit in less than 2 years

    That cannot be correct The results for Hockeys first budget (May 2014) are not known until September this year. Until then they are just projections.

    But it will be hard to be as wrong as Swan. Labor predicted a $20B surplus for their first budget and it ended up being a $20B deficit. A $40B turnaround.

    • Insulting Indonesia
    • Damaging the Beef Industry

    It was Rudd/Gillard who tapped the Indonesians phones and banned some of their food supply.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 2:02 pm

    It’s a reasonable question – what do Indonesians find most offensive?
    • Tapping the phones of the President and his family, or
    • Stopping food/beef from being sent because (their perception of the action is) ‘they’re cruel savages that don’t care for animal suffering” , or
    • Objecting to the executions of some Australians, or
    • Turning back some boats

    You really would have to be a complete dill to suggest it’s due to the second 2 issues while ignoring the first 2.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 2:33 pm

    I think it’s an accumulation of slights tomM.
    Plus all our ‘megaphone’ diplomacy where our politicians have been screeching [very crudely, loudly, critically and undiplomatically] about indonesia through our media – do they think the indonesians won’t a] hear about it b] won’t care about it c] will believe them when they say the opposite to their faces.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 2:36 pm

    Labor’s carbon working paper leaked: who’s making trouble for Bill Shorten?
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/15/labors-carbon-policy-leaked-whos-making-trouble-for-bill-shorten

    …Environment minister Greg Hunt says the leak to News Corp tabloids is either ‘an attempt to kill the tax, or kill Bill’. He’s not wrong…

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 2:44 pm

    I think it’s an accumulation of slights tomM.

    I agree AO-
    * It was clearly a dreadful affront to tap the phone of the president and his family
    * Stopping the live cattle was perceived as slight about their civility
    * The harping on about stopping the boats has been more than an irritation
    * There is no way the Australian government should have been any more diplomatic about the executions, but this appears to be the issue that the current regime has taken the greatest offense about

    The Indonesian politicians get plenty of political mileage from being tough on Australia

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 2:52 pm

    Environment minister Greg Hunt says the leak to News Corp tabloids is either ‘an attempt to kill the tax, or kill Bill’. He’s not wrong…

    Hunt and is party are desperately hoping for the survival of both. It is the only possible way they can retain office.

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2015 3:23 pm

    Insulting China

    I wonder what the Chinese thought about Kevin Rudds comments?

    China observers held such high hopes for our Sinophile PM.

    Australia had well and truly come of age when the then Opposition Leader welcomed China’s President to the Sydney APEC summit in Mandarin.

    Yet Rudd presided over some of the darkest years in the history of the bilateral relationship.

    From famously telling journalists covering the Copenhagen climate negotiations that those “Chinese ratfuckers are trying to rat-fuck us”, to advising Hillary Clinton that it was in Washington’s interests to prepare for armed conflict with China, or criticising China’s human rights record at a public lecture in Beijing, history tells us that Rudd was very much our false messiah.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 3:30 pm

    Kevin Rudd was such an outstanding and inspiring leader being Labor made him Prime Minister not once but twice!

  81. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 3:43 pm

    Apparently this was Photoshopped

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 3:51 pm

    “Adults” in the playpit again …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-backflips-on-after-hours-gp-helpline/story-e6frfku9-1227442555696

    No wonder business confidence is plummeting …

    And playing Robber Baroness the Barmy Bishop couldn’t drive (or be driven) 80km she had to fkn fly at taxpayers expense!

    Arrogant born to rule bitch she is!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/labor-questions-speaker-bronwyn-bishops-use-of-taxpayers-money-to-fly-from-melbourne-to-geelong/story-fns0jze1-1227442720191

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And for the Young Liberal schoolboy …

    Mr Bowen accurately quoted changes totalling $68 billion in the Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook.

    The MYEFO forecasts a budget deficit twice as large as it was in the PEFO. The economic assumptions in MYEFO are different from those used in the PEFO, and there is spending in the MYEFO that was not in the previous forecasts.

    It remains to be seen how the two sets of forecasts stand the test of time, but as of today, Mr Bowen’s claim checks out.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/has-the-government-doubled-the-budget-deficit/5423392

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Indonesian politicians get plenty of political mileage from being tough on Australia

    All the more reason for Abbot & Co to be more “adult” when dealing with the largest nation of muslims, destined to be a commercial powerhouse in the next decades, who just happen to be right on our fkn BORDER!

    Stoopid is as stoopid does …

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:00 pm

    And for the Young Liberal schoolboy …

    I scrolled down the link. Fell asleep half way down.

    The dinki di result for Hockeys first May 2014 budget will be released in September 2015.

    All other comment is speculation.

  84. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:03 pm

    “………….destined to be a commercial powerhouse in the next decades,”

    Heard it all before

    Point to one single Muslim nation that can claim that status now and I might believe you.

    But I doubt it

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:03 pm

    I think you mean –

    All the more reason for Abbot & Co successive ALP and Liberal governments ..

    Your comment obviously doesn’t think there was much of a problem with the phone tapping and “stopping the food” by the previous ALP government

  86. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:07 pm

    * It was clearly a dreadful affront to tap the phone of the president and his family

    Yes, Labor should not have continued Howards policy. And yabot shouldn’t have told them to “harden up” about it.

    * Stopping the live cattle was perceived as slight about their civility

    Actually, it was perceived as a stand against their treatment of cattle. And it worked (to date)

    * The harping on about stopping the boats has been more than an irritation

    Telling them that we don’t care if it infringes on their Sovereignty makes it FAR more than an irritation, and sending our warships INTO their territory makes it far more than far more than an irritation.

    * There is no way the Australian government should have been any more diplomatic about the executions, but this appears to be the issue that the current regime has taken the greatest offense about

    I don’t think the executions make much difference to the diplomatic position one way or another. Mind you, holding up our aid as some kind of bargaining chip won’t help.

    Let’s face it, the Indonesians have pleaded then warned yabot about his actions and words, but it falls on deaf ears. To try and blame anything they do to us now on years old actions when right here and now we have their PM and FM telling us to change our tune makes it clear what any action they take is in response to.

    The only other excuses for this is either they are not selling the cattle domestically any more, or they have found another source. Both of these scenarios “should” have been anticipated. If they are the case, why were we not aware? Were our trade ministers asleep at the wheel? Too busy threatening Dogs with murder and ramping up fear about SSM?

    Apparently this was Photoshopped

    I’d assumed they’d photographed him after walking out of 2 days of #turd

    “stopping the food” by the previous ALP government

    Perhaps you can link to the cases of starvation and mass food shortages experienced in Indonesia following the ban?

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:16 pm

    Actually, it was perceived as a stand against their treatment of cattle.

    Got a link to prove that’s how the Indonesians perceived this?

  88. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:28 pm

    * Stopping the live cattle was perceived as slight about their civility

    Got a link to prove that’s how the Indonesians perceived this?

  89. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:31 pm

    However as well as angering many cattle producers, the ban was greeted with disappointment in Jakarta, where officials insisted it would only be temporary.

    Indonesia’s Deputy Agriculture Minister, Bayu Krisnamurthi, questioned whether the ban was discriminatory, saying other nations Australia exported to also had issues in relation to animal welfare.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/cattle-industry-and-coalition-condemn-ban-on-live-exports-to-indonesia/story-fn59niix-1226071750628

  90. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:33 pm

    “Perhaps you can link to the cases of starvation and mass food shortages experienced in Indonesia following the ban?”

    It was inflationary.

    That’s why they now want other sources.

    From a call I made today ( I have a rather large investment in agriculture) we will manage to eventually ship or package the animals but packaging requires our northern pastures to be used to fatten them prior to packaging. Live cattle are shipped lean not fattened.

    If anything the Indos have shot themselves in the foot because informally they said they required 250K which were gathered to be ready. Now they noone will rely on their informal requests in future which will mean they will need to issue permits earlier or get the scaps if its presold.

    Apparently they forgot we now have a very large abbatoir in Darwin (previously no major one in our Deep North)

    But hey my family has been involved in cattle since 1841. What the fuck would my cousin know

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:34 pm

    Another reason the Abbott Adults need to go back to their private schools … as soon as possible … and learn how to be global citizens …

    AUSTRALIA is getting a bad rap and is sending mixed messages about fighting poverty at a major United Nations conference in Ethiopia, the federal opposition says.

    AUSTRALIAN officials have been accused of trying to weaken language on tax reform and avoidance in an agreement to be finalised at the Financing for Development conference in Addis Ababa in the early hours of Thursday.

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop nor her parliamentary secretary Steve Ciobo have travelled to Africa for the conference, instead foreign affairs department deputy secretary Ewen McDonald is representing Australia.

    Australia has also stymied a global push to require wealthy nations to provide a timetable by year’s end on how they will meet a UN foreign aid target.

    The UN wants developed countries to give 0.7 per cent of their national income as foreign aid but Australia’s aid level is set to plummet to a record low of 0.22 per cent next year.
    Comment has been sought from Ms Bishop.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-accused-of-dragging-heels-at-un-talks/story-e6frfku9-1227442849070

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:36 pm

    Indonesia slashes cattle imports from Australia

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/07/14/indonesia-slashes-cattle-imports-australia.html#sthash.2WqPwYdW.dpuf

    …Relations between the neighbours have been historically prickly and were dealt a heavy blow in April when Indonesia executed Australian traffickers Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, prompting Canberra to temporarily recall its ambassador from Jakarta.

    Allegations that Australian officials paid the crew of a people-smuggling vessel US$31,000 to turn back to Indonesia in May have also angered Jakarta.

    Indonesia was in the past a major departure point for vessels carrying migrants to Australia but departures have almost entirely stopped since Canberra introduced tougher border controls. ..

  93. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:43 pm

    “Indonesia was in the past a major departure point for vessels carrying migrants to Australia but departures have almost entirely stopped since Canberra introduced tougher border controls. ..”

    WTF

    Clearly the Jakarta Post is part of the Murdochracy.

    Otherwise the success of the Boat Policy is now independently confirmed

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:43 pm

    I scrolled down the link. Fell asleep half way down.

    I’m surprised to managed to get that far.

    All other comment is speculation.

    So you’ll STFU … thank christ for that!

    ===========================

    “stopping the food” by the previous ALP government

    Perhaps you can link to the cases of starvation and mass food shortages experienced in Indonesia following the ban?

    yes, please, that had me baffled too … surely not stuff just made up?

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:46 pm

    Should taxpayers fund personal job applications?

    Bronwyn Bishop job bid leaves taxpayers with huge expense bill:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishop-job-bid-leaves-taxpayers-with-huge-expense-bill-20150715-gich1g.html#ixzz3fwLNIcoi

    …Speaker Bronwyn Bishop has charged taxpayers almost $90,000 for a two-week European trip partly aimed at securing her a plum new job.
    Mrs Bishop last year ran for the presidency of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, a democracy group based in Geneva, but she lost out to Bangladesh’s candidate. It’s believed her short-lived but controversial Parliament House burqa ban cruelled her chances.
    In the two weeks leading up to the October 17 vote, Mrs Bishop led a small parliamentary delegation to Italy, Belgium, Austria before heading on to Switzerland – and she spent $88,084 in the process, according to Department of Finance documents…

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:49 pm

    But hey my family has been involved in cattle since 1841. What the fuck would my cousin know

    er, more than you?

    What’s a “scap” … (chuckle) … and what sort of “business” people rely on “informal requests” … for 250,000 head of cattle!

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:53 pm

    In the two weeks leading up to the October 17 vote, Mrs Bishop led a small parliamentary delegation to Italy, Belgium, Austria before heading on to Switzerland – and she spent $88,084 in the process, according to Department of Finance documents…

    So Barmy Bronwyn was tripping pollies on a junket and did a personal side deal?

    $88k what do they bloody spend it on FFS?

    WTF was the trip to Italy, Belgium and Austria for?

  98. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:55 pm

    “…………what sort of “business” people rely on “informal requests” … for 250,000 head of cattle!”

    I suppose when there is a certain level of trust built up between traders over many many quarters they prepare if official rumours are circulated. Especially up North.

    Apparently the word was out last Thursday about what was about to happen

  99. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2015 4:57 pm

    “$88k what do they bloody spend it on FFS?”

    Careful what you say about my local MP

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2015 5:01 pm

    Indonesia was in the past a major departure point for vessels carrying migrants to Australia but departures have almost entirely stopped since Canberra introduced tougher border controls. ..

    And Rudd/Gillard/Labor said it couldn’t be done.

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 5:10 pm

    I was carried away with the romance of the “10-day trip by former climate change minister Greg Combet and ABC newsreader girlfriend Juanita Phillips through France, Belgium and Germany in April has come in at $72,027.

    The bill included $57,673 on airfares, $8914 on hotels and meals and $4634 on ground transport.

    The former NSW MP listed the reason as conducting a “series of high-level meetings” and attending the Towards a Global Carbon Market: Prospects for Emissions Trading Conference.”

    Leftists in love on a mission to save the world! How cute!!!

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 5:42 pm

    The difference being sb, that BB’s travel appears to be for a liberal party event and a job application, which would seem to be personal. Combet, being the climate change minister would have been performing his ministerial duties in a Towards a Global Carbon Market: Prospects for Emissions Trading Conference [even though he would’ve had a nice holiday too]

    and another one

    Bronwyn Bishop racks up $130,000 for travel and flights:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bronwyn-bishop-racks-up-130000-for-travel-and-flights/story-fn59niix-1227442737187?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Twitter

    In the australian too 😯

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:04 pm

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:12 pm

    Must be looking for Barmy Bishop!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/major-police-operation-underway-in-geelongs-central-business-district/story-e6frfkp9-1227442512200

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Leftists in love on a mission to save the world! How cute!!!

    And there’s the difference … I object to that expense to …

  105. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:30 pm

    That’s why they now want other sources.

    Now?

    The trend has been the Indonesian government’s concern in meeting the beef self-sufficiency target by 2014. – See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/09/australian-cattle-exports-indonesia-ban-or-assistance.html#sthash.tJTGeZWp.dpuf

    But hey my family has been involved in cattle since 1841. What the fuck would my cousin know

    See above 😉

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:44 pm

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:46 pm

    So you’re saying the Australia government didn’t stop exporting food (beef) to Indonesia?

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:47 pm

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 6:56 pm

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:09 pm

    Isn’t it funny, Bruce, that when a bit of heat is put on union corruption every fucker that has made his fortune as a loyal servant of the Unionland cartel gets apoplectic.

    And the little Labor lickspittles are working overtime, re-tweeting lame propaganda, trying to shoot the messenger. Pathetic, really.

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:12 pm

    So you’re saying the Australia government didn’t stop exporting food (beef) to Indonesia?

    We stopped exporting one type of food, we didn’t “stop the food”.

    If AFP involvement was warranted in the Slipper case

    How many other cases have the friggin AFP refused to look into, yet they JUMP when the libs call for a favour. Nothing to see here, I’m sure 😉

  112. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:15 pm

    trying to shoot the messenger.

    The messenger shot themselves when they told Shorten not to answer questions in a manner that prove he did nothing wrong. This lot is so obvious, if the media weren’t so far up their arse, it wouldn’t get any legs at all

  113. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 7:20 pm

    but don’t pretend you’re a journalist.

    lol. And kenny is the tool who blocked me when I pointed out he had misrepresented Gillian Triggs …… again.

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 8:54 pm

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2015 8:55 pm

    You seem to think the Indonesians understand why the food was stopped.

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2015 9:32 pm

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2015 10:02 pm

    You seem to think the Indonesians understand why the food was stopped.

    You seem to think the Indonesians can’t understand why the live trade was stopped temporarily.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:37 am

    “when they told Shorten not to answer questions “

    It is likely that the judge will (correctly) find that Shifty was an evasive witness who would not give direct answers and who waffled rather than addressing the specific question.

    Shifty, the stupid fucker, seemed to think that this was some softball ABC interview where he could ignore the question and stick to his talking points. The law doesn’t work like that. The witness box isn’t a soap box.

    The cross-examiner asks questions which Shifty must answer. If Shifty wants to get another point across or provide background information it is up to his counsel to ask questions by way of re-examination which, if relevant, will be permitted.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:43 am

    Tom R, are you defending the actions of Boss Ludwig’s son in peremptorily suspending the live cattle trade?

    It was a typical Labor knee-jerk response to hysterical Green squealing. It is as though the Greens are the conscience of the ALP, only it is not really “conscience” so much as demonic possession. Rudd drowned over a thousand people on the same basis.

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:50 am

    You seem to think the Indonesians can’t understand why the live trade was stopped temporarily.

    You seem to think they didn’t regard the action as a slight against them.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:59 am

    Regardless of whether or not stopping the live cattle trade was warranted, it is simply stupid to think that the Indonesians weren’t offended by the action.

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 16, 2015 9:05 am

    ToM, it seems the Indonesians have learned that their beef supply can be turned off at the whim of a Minister and taken the obvious precautions. Who can blame them for not wanting to be rat-fucked by the ALP again?

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 9:30 am

    Yep. Just as Tom R says that there are only isolated examples of union corruption, the Indonesians said there were only isolated examples of mistreatment of cattle.

    Yet we stopped supplying this food to the entire country.

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:16 am

    the Indonesians said there were only isolated examples of mistreatment of cattle.

    Except for the widespread cases exposed I guess, unlike #turd, which has seen rare cases blown up out of all proportion

    are you defending the actions of Boss Ludwig’s son in peremptorily suspending the live cattle trade?

    Yes, because it was clear that the industry could not govern itself. We now have a vibrant industry with worlds best practices ……. oh, that’s right, looks yabots killed that one too.

  125. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:17 am

    hockey proves what a total dunce he is

    This is a guarded way of saying he wants to raise the GST, but is afraid to stick his neck out on it.

    The Treasurer unequivocally ruled out reducing super tax concessions, even though they massively favour the wealthy.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/07/15/feeding-rich-hockeys-tax-vision-unpicked/

    He wouldn’t know a “mature” debate if it bit him on the arse

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:21 am

    Tom R still seems to think that the Indonesians weren’t offended by the Australian Government stopping the supply of this food to the country.

    …that’s because it was an ALP government that stopped the food.

  127. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:32 am

    Tom R still seems to think that the Indonesians weren’t offended

    Link?

    …that’s because it was an ALP government that stopped the food.

    Link?

  128. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:45 am

    I reckon ltdnews can put this under a banner “mission accomplished”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/pew-research-concludes-australians-most-fear-the-threat-of-is/story-fncynjr2-1227443702918

  129. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:48 am

    As opposed to a “sniff test” wtf?

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 16, 2015 10:59 am

    Dee Madigan is a dumb simpering passive-aggressive ALP hack.

  131. Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:03 am

    “Link?”

    TomR seems to think the Indos were not offended. So why did they suddenly introduce quotas ?

    In fact TomROLL seems to be the only one not offended.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20140912132052/http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3392361.htm

    But what would a whole lot of experts know in TomROLL’s world ?

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:06 am

    Link-

    Actually, it was perceived as a stand against their treatment of cattle.

    Do you really think this is how Indonesians perceived it when the Australian Government stopped the supply of this food to them?

    They considered it a politically driven over reaction and a slight. Do you disagree with that?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/13/will-the-abbott-government-call-an-early-election/#comment-110200

  133. July 16, 2015 11:17 am
  134. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:25 am

    nice one wally

    Indonesia flagged its ambition to make its beef market self-sufficient before the Four Corner’s story went to air but we reckon………… wawawa

    Do you really think this is how Indonesians perceived it when the Australian Government stopped the supply of this food to them?

    The LINK I put up confirmed that. They were upset other nations didn’t get the ban cos they reckon they were just as bad.

    My first “link?” query was in fact asking if you could show where I said I think that the Indonesians weren’t offended? cos I never said that. I disagreed with your claim that they took it as a slight against their “civility”

    Them defending themselves with “others are as bad” isn’t a slight against their “civility”. It is them accepting (perhaps) that they have an issue, but pointing the fingers at others they think also do (and probably do)

    when the Australian Government stopped the supply of this food to them?

    Like the insertion if “this” 😉

  135. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:27 am

    lol@reb

  136. armchair opionator permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:29 am

    How many aussies swore they wouldn’t holiday in Indonesia after the state murders of chan and sukamaran?

    We are right to stop sales of cattle when they are brutally and inhumanely slaughtered as they were. The cattle industry had long needed reform on that issue. If youre going to raise cattle for profit then you should at least have some morals and ethics regarding their slaughter.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:34 am

    The Indonesians took it as a slight, they considered that they were being singled out, they thought the decision was an over reaction.
    ————–
    How many aussies swore they wouldn’t holiday in Indonesia after the state murders of chan and sukamaran?””

    I went surfing on the Basque Coast this year, and I might go back next year too.

  138. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 11:43 am

    The Indonesians took it as a slight, they considered that they were being singled out, they thought the decision was an over reaction.

    I don’t disagree with that.

    But a “slight” is far different than what yabot has been dishing out to them, both from opposition and when in grubmint

    We are right to stop sales of cattle when they are brutally and inhumanely slaughtered as they were

    I AGREE!

  139. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2015 1:47 pm

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 3:54 pm

    SPEAKER Bronwyn Bishop has agreed to reimburse more than $5000 of taxpayers’ money that she claimed in 2014 to charter a helicopter.

    BUT she’s standing by her argument that the $5227.27 claim was within the rules.
    Mrs Bishop said in a statement on Thursday she had written to the Special Minister of State Michael Ronaldson indicating she would reimburse the costs associated with the November 5 trip.

    “Whilst my understanding is that this travel was conducted within the rules, to avoid any doubt, I will reimburse the full costs,” she said …

    … Earlier, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he did not believe the expense claim passed the “sniff test”.

    “Instinctively, it doesn’t,” he told Sydney radio station 2UE.

    “It’s not a good look and the Speaker should explain it.”

    Mr Hockey said he understood public outrage over the expense, noting people were entitled to call for Mrs Bishop’s resignation.

    This is the Speaker of The House! They talk about Liberal traditions and then trash Parliament … even Jhokey got that! Surprisement!

    These people are beyond belief!

  141. Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2015 5:04 pm

    Bloody Royal Commision………………….nothing to see here says TomROLL………………LOL

    It starts to look at the CFMEU in the ACT and just gets 1 arrest in 4 days.

    How pathetic………….what a waste of money……blah…………blah…………..blah !

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 5:46 pm

    Wally – you should read and comprehend what you are linking …

    But the former organiser, who left the CFMEU last November, said the payments in instalments – which he later gambled away on the pokies – were made without the union’s knowledge …

    Mr Kivalu told the hearing he resigned from his position for personal reasons on November 10, 2014.

    But when asked why he received a redundancy payment of $32,267 a day later, Mr Kivalu told the commissioner: “I don’t know.”

    The union’s national secretary, Dave Noonan, had distanced himself from Mr Kivalu, saying on Monday allegations against the former organiser should be investigated by the police and courts.

    So I guess you were right for a change … Nothing to see here 🙂

    My bold …

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 16, 2015 5:57 pm

    The union threw him under the bus because he didn’t follow policy and share with his union bosses.

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2015 5:57 pm

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/16/you%E2%80%99re-not-real-reporter-if-catches-then-fox-news-serious-trouble#sthash.GLXSWQVS.dpuf

    …Of all the insults in all the lands dished out to news reporters, the one delivered in the video below is probably the most effective – and potentially viral

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:28 pm

    Great. How many CFMEU officials have been convicted over the past decade?

    Per head the CFMEU officials must have more convictions than about any other occupation.

    Is it the culture or their shoddy selection processes?

  146. Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:29 pm

    “………you should read and comprehend what you are linking …”

    He was caught lying and you still believe him…………………………………ROFLMAO at You

    That’s why they call you bunch the “True Believers”……………….LOL

    “The union threw him under the bus……………”

    Yep………….they sure did

    “…………… because he didn’t follow policy and share with his union bosses.”

    We dont know that yet splatter

  147. Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:32 pm

    He claims he resigned but he got a redundancy payment.

    And TB still believes him ………………………………………hillarious

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:32 pm

    The union threw him under the bus because he didn’t follow policy and share with his union bosses.

    Hey, I’m no fan of the CFMEU … the majority of the leaders are arseholes (but not all) … you may recall I spent many days on mine sites …

    However, making stuff up like the RC wants is just making stuff up …

    And your not a real journalist … nor is The Splatterbum News real news …

  149. Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:35 pm

    Cant wait to see this new carbon tax and the “household efficiency scheme (HES)” they tried to keep secret.

    There was talk amongst Green types awhile back of requiring people to get a Certificate of Energy Efficiency in order to sell their house. I wonder………………………….LOL

    Abbott cant be that lucky…………….or can he ?

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:36 pm

    He claims he resigned but he got a redundancy payment.

    And TB still believes him ………………………………………hilarious

    er, are you Iain Hall’s sister? I highlighted the fact … you don’t get a redundancy if you resign … brain damage from too much ROFLMAO …

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:39 pm

    Abbott cant be that lucky…………….or can he ?

    That’s all he’s got at this stage and nasty politics gleefully enhanced by mealy mouthed supporters …

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 6:47 pm

    The CFMEU Secretary is a model citizen –

    THE extraordinary police record of John Setka, one of the nation’s most powerful unionists, finally has been laid bare, with 60 charges leading to dozens of convictions and fines including for theft, assault by kicking, criminal damage and assaulting police.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rap-sheet-reveals-60-charges-for-would-be-union-boss-john-setka/story-fn59niix-1226460322445

    Great guys!!

    Australia’s biggest construction union, the CFMEU (Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union) has been convicted and fined $1.25 million over its role in a stop work protest which turned into a virtual riot.

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s3975251.htm

    I could spend all day and all night posting links to convictions of the CFMEU (but really, there’s nothing to see or worry about)

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2015 7:54 pm

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/16/black-power-press-face-andrew-bolts-white-media-noise#sthash.Zf3iYu9H.dpuf

    …Teece Johnson said on NITV News “so while Bolt and his all-Anglo panel take turns whacking their Aboriginal piñata, we ask whether a major commercial network should provide a platform for these types of attacks on minority groups…

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:03 pm

    I could spend all day and all night posting links to convictions of the CFMEU (but really, there’s nothing to see or worry about)

    The CFMEU has had thug elements for many years … nothing new there and you know it, ToM … the RC is costing how much to tell us what?

    … but to smear the whole union movement because of one element is not only wrong but belittles the work done by dedicated leadership and within the union rank and file …

    … it ignores the suffering of unionists’ families to break workers out of the slave labour conditions and wages imposed on them (even today!) by business owners, landowners and tory governments …

    … this RC reeks of politics … and an attempt to “legally” create a dictatorship …

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2015 8:16 pm

    Australia’s decline in union membership (density) has been more significant than most other industrialised countries.

    That’s probably because of the entirely warranted reputation of a number of Australian unions

    Unions have to get out of partisan politics and refocus on their members.

    https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=UN_DEN

  156. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 7:44 am

    Unions have to get out of partisan politics and refocus on their members.

    Unions have to get into politics in order to focus on their members.

    Funny, one guy goes rogue, and it’s Union Corruption. Until they find widespread evidence of Union corruption, then this is nothing more than a partisan political witchunt

    Meanwhile, Unions will, I’ll presume, will continue to play “partisan politics” because WE NEED THEM TO 😉

  157. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 7:51 am

    Meanwhiler, verrry quiet from certain sections over bronnie the kero’s rorting of taxpayer money. Keep yer heads down peeps 😉

    Yes, she SHOULD go

    Under current rules, Mrs Bishop was required to sign a form confirming that the charter was for her “office holder duties”. The form states that “knowingly giving false or misleading information is a serious offence” under the Criminal Code.

    Ms Burke said Mrs Bishop clearly knew the charter was to attend a party event.

    “She signed that form to get the money paid. Since when has a party fundraiser been an official purpose?”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishop-could-lose-job-despite-helicopter-expenses-refund-20150716-gie093.html#ixzz3g5qzucoz

    Andrew Elder looks deeper into bronnie territory, and reckons someone (hockey??) is guning further up the chain.

    Now the rorting spotlight has fallen on Bronwyn Bishop. This, however, is no grassroots campaign from far beyond the manicured lawns of Canberra. It’s not even a NewsCorp stitch-up, and it certainly isn’t opposition research. It’s an inside job from the government.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-smell-of-kerosene.html

    Labor has a document leaked (and it could be from them, or it could be from one of the business interests they were working with, which would be more likely?) and it’s LEADERSHIT!. In fact, I never even read about the business interests except in some back water blogs. The msm had assumed it was a Labor leak, and run with that.

    Nothing about this angle in regards to bronnie or yabot in the msm though. It’s as uninteresting as ashbygate etal apparently.

  158. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 8:27 am

    pork barreling writ large

    Nine out of 10 suburbs worst affected by the combined impact of the Abbott government’s two budgets are in Labor-held seats.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mount-druitt-v-potts-point-analysis-reveals-true-impact-of-abbott-governments-two-budgets-20150716-gidoob.html#ixzz3g60toRis

    This is just mind boggingly stoopid

    A spokesman for Mr Hockey said the modelling failed to show the economic benefits of helping Australians move back into work.

    Perhaps they should re-check those unemployment figures again.

  159. Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2015 9:24 am

    “Nine out of 10 suburbs worst affected by the combined impact of the Abbott government’s two budgets are in Labor-held seats.”

    Well what do you expect ?

    If a government is trying to cut the abuse and proliferation of Welfare its naturally going to have an effect on those seats that are full of Society’s overflow of Labor voting welfare cheats and deadbeats.

    They do tend to gather together where the Centrelink Offices are plush and where there are plenty of shops and clubs for them to get their smokes in the morning, booze on in the afternoon, pokies in the early evening, baked beans on toast for dinner, and a warm bed to continue the entire breeding cycle at night.

    Then back into the rythym when they crawl out of bed with a hangover by 11am the next day.

    Of course Welfare cuts will affect their wretched lives

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2015 9:29 am

    Unions have to get into politics in order to focus on their members.

    These days there are very few arguing that unions are a positive on the ALP.

    The problem is that unions own the ALP and they aren’t benevolent about it. Self seeking careerists generally.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:23 am

    Warming of oceans due to climate change is unstoppable, say US scientists
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/16/warming-of-oceans-due-to-climate-change-is-unstoppable-say-us-scientists

    …Seas will continue to warm for centuries even if manmade greenhouse gas emissions were frozen at today’s levels, say US government scientists…

    The scientists:

    What follows are the words of real scientists. Researchers that understand climate change.
    http://isthishowyoufeel.weebly.com/this-is-how-scientists-feel.html

    IS THIS HOW YOU FEEL?

    http://isthishowyoufeel.weebly.com/uploads/3/2/0/7/32076031/228239.jpg?527

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:34 am

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:36 am

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:38 am

    The problem is that unions own the ALP and they aren’t benevolent about it. Self seeking careerists generally.

    Then how come the ALP is leading in the polls? Just wonder how far the ALP would be in front if there was no corruption gong on.

    Also I think Abbott should get rid of Browyn Bishop. Doesn’t matter if it is Coalition,Labor Unions or whoever. Power corrupts. Or perhaps humans are corrupt and will abuse power if they can.

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:44 am

    “er, are you Iain Hall’s sister? I highlighted the fact … you don’t get a redundancy if you resign … brain damage from too much ROFLMAO …”

    Really? Seems that sometimes you do! See here for cases where you get redundancy treatment after having resigned:

    161. Dave Dolphin works as the Sales Manager for the Big Fish Company (Big Fish) which sells swimwear.

    162. Big Fish acquires Plankton Pty Ltd (Plankton), a company that sells leisure clothing. As part of the acquisition, Big Fish employs Plankton’s Sales Manager, Marion Minky. Marion assumes the role of Sales Manager in respect of all of Big Fish’s expanded operations. Dave is offered a role as a swimwear sales representative for a particular district. This offer involves a considerable pay cut. As Dave sees his experience is better suited to the management of a team of salespeople rather than in front line sales, he decides to resign.

    163. While Dave may have the skills to do the job he is offered, the job has significantly different duties and functions to that he performed previously. Accordingly, the synergies created by the acquisition of Plankton make Dave’s former position redundant.

    164. Therefore, a termination payment received by Dave in these circumstances may be characterised as a genuine redundancy payment on the basis that Dave was constructively dismissed due to redundancy.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:48 am

    Unions have to get out of partisan politics and refocus on their members.

    You obviously have no knowledge of the Labor Party and its foundation/history … and why it came about …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course Welfare cuts will affect their wretched lives

    You really are a shallow minded, silver spoon fed, shiny arse … Sir Walter …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    WOW! Well said on both counts, Kneel!

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:55 am

    Once upon a time, the Liberals would expel a member speaking at a racist rally.

    Being anti-Islam is not being racist. Islam is a belief system which a lot of people disagree with. The person who should be expelled is the person who said being anti-Islam is racist.

  168. Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2015 10:55 am

    “Seems that sometimes you do!”

    Splatter TB doesn’t do details or facts that might change his views. HR and terminaions and stuff like that are not his strong point.

    He’s one of those that you constantly must ask………

    “What colour is the sky on your planet ?”

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:18 am

    …Unions have to get out of partisan politics and refocus on their members…

    It is still a class war, nothing has changed in that regard, in fact this abbott govt exemplifies this. The reason the labor party came about was to create political representation for workers in a parliament ruled by the interests and power of the wealthy elites. You expect the labor party to just get out of the game and hand over to vested interests?

    Are the wealthy corporations, their funding vehicles and the privileged elite also going to get out of partisan politics?

    The reform that is needed is on both sides, not just the one and it should start with reform of political donation laws, party funding and reducing executive power.

    Where’s the paperwork? Will there be a beehive scalp?

    Speaker Bronwyn Bishop given resignation ultimatum over helicopter flight
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/speaker-bronwyn-bishop-given-resignation-ultimatum-over-helicopter-flight-20150717-giebps.html#ixzz3g6dbCeH1

    …Mr Burke called for the release of a form – the so-called “Presiding Officers form” – that Mrs Bishop would normally have to have signed before taking a charter flight.
    “It depends on whether or not she signs it [the form] in its normal form. The normal form would say this is official business and would also say there are serious criminal penalties if this is put in error,” he told the Seven Network.
    “Now, if she signs it off in the normal form and it is, you know, a Liberal Party fundraiser that she has gone to, then that’s the end of the matter, she can’t stay as Speaker, absolutely no way.”…

    Bronwyn Bishop’s use of Speaker’s office fund-raisers causes controversy
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishops-use-of-speakers-office-fundraisers-causes-controversy-20140524-38vj6.html#ixzz3g6dDkTpn

    …Bronwyn Bishop has been hosting Liberal Party fund-raisers in her Parliament House Speaker’s suite, leading to claims her position as impartial adjudicator is ”untenable”.
    A spokesman for Ms Bishop said there was nothing illegal or improper about the practice, and no official rules appeared to exist.
    But no past speakers interviewed by Fairfax Media had used the office for party fund-raising…

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:20 am

    “but to smear the whole union movement”

    The union movement smears itself. For so long as its parliamentary stooges block legislation which would make union leaders as accountable as company directors you should presume the grubs are feathering their own nests.

    Once upon a time union leaders came from the shop floor. Hell, in those days they actually worked in the industry covered by the union.

    Now union boss is a career choice for ambitious undergraduates. It is a stepping stone to a safe seat or some other sinecure. How do you think a slimy 32 year old chancer gets a NSW senate seat? The fucker has probably never done an honest day’s work in his life. His principle skills are knowing where the bodies are buried, organising the numbers and doing sleazy deals.

    The ALP is rotten to the core precisely because most ALP politicians come out of the Unionland sewer.

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:21 am

    By the way why does “the left” spend so much time defending Islam?

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:25 am

    Yeah!!

    Unions deserve a special place in the political landscape – because once they were relevant (history)

    What a load of crap.

    People have voted with their feet, in Australia more than most other industrialised countries, to decide that they have no need to a union.

    Union barrackers may hate that fact, get over it. Less than 1 in 5 employees are in a union, in about 20 years unions have lost their appeal to the masses. These days it is only the (apparently suppressed) public servants that prop up the membership.

    These days, the entire workforce has a sense of collectivism, they require the government to protect their rights, conditions and benefits

    …and they’ll kick out a government that doesn’t protect them, as Howard found out.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:33 am

    Really? Seems that sometimes you do! See here for cases where you get redundancy treatment after having resigned

    Cases? One example …

    Now relate that to the case in question … ya know just resigning for no reason … other than being told to fk off and we’ll pay you out or if we have to fk you off we won’t … and that doesn’t just happen in unions – believe me I know … 😉

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:38 am

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:42 am

    These days, the entire workforce has a sense of collectivism, they require the government to protect their rights, conditions and benefits

    …and they’ll kick out a government that doesn’t protect them, as Howard found out.

    Get some glasses ToM … without the union adverts no-one would have known nor understood what Workchoices was really going to do … The Mad Abbott is still trying to sneak WC in the backdoor (WC is a great acronym, hey) …

    IR is a balancing act … remove the unions and rights of workers and the pendulum swings only one way … no trickle down politics in this country …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    HR and terminations and stuff like that are not his strong point.

    Nice try, Wally, I’ve probably hired and fired more people than you’ll ever avoid taxes for …

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:46 am

    That’s crap TB.

    It was the politics and hopeless policy that caused the publicity.

    Who wanted to be easier to dismiss?
    Which worker is happy with even less job security?
    Hands up everyone who wanted their kids to have even more lowly paid jobs?

    The workforce is now aware of their rights (look at bullying claims and workplace expectations). They will kick out a government that undermines their jobs. That’s a good political attitude to have.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:49 am

    without the union adverts no-one would have known nor understood what Workchoices was really going to do …

    You may be right or you may be wrong. Where i used to work you can now cash in your annual leave which is something Workchoices allowed you to do and Unions were against.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:53 am

    Seems the unions can manage to fight against racism, looks like the libs reckon it’s a good thing seeing they are allowing a serving MP to speak from the thug platform.

    Victorian Trades Hall Council adopt motion on #ReclaimAustralia
    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=38485

    …First, they came for the Muslims …

    On June 12, the Victorian Trades Hall Council Executive passed the following motion:

    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=38193

    …A counter-rally has been organised by the ‘Campaign Against Racism and Fascism’. Start time for the CARF event is noon, but there will be other folks ITA from 11am …

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 11:55 am

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 12:01 pm

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 12:06 pm

    I’m guessing no muslims, jews, homo’s or black people either.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2015 12:17 pm

    Former Reclaim Australia member tells of feeling duped by far-right ‘patriots’
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/former-reclaim-australia-member-apologises-to-muslims/6624384

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 12:27 pm

    The real violence is at the leftist demos like the fascist clowns assaulting little old ladies trying to hear Geert Wilders speak. Or that fuckwit Sydney Uni Jew-hating academic Jake Lynch abusing an old lady who was trying to listen to a lecture. Jake, being a leftist, didn’t think she had a right to hear someone else speak who he didn’t approve of.

    Such is the sickening hypocrisy of the left.

    Whatever else you say about Reclaim Australia they are not as dumb as those leftists who equate criticism of Islamism with racism.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 12:32 pm

    “Cases? One example … “

    If you actually read the link you would see that there is a large category of cases where resignation may be consistent with redundancy.

    In fact, if you had understood the ATO’s reasoning you would see that the example you gave, namely:

    “Now relate that to the case in question … ya know just resigning for no reason … other than being told to fk off and we’ll pay you out or if we have to fk you off we won’t … “

    is quite consistent with redundancy where the other conditions for redundancy are met.

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2015 1:14 pm

    So Islam is a race?-
    • So are Christians (though Catholics are a separate race, so are Baptists)
    • Jews are a separate race too (particularly the Polish ones)
    • Buddhists are a race
    • Egyptian Muslims are a separate race to the Christian ones

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 1:41 pm

    Whatever else you say about Reclaim Australia they are not as dumb as those leftists who equate criticism of Islamism with racism.

    Beats me why ALP/Greens say being anti-Islam is racist. Islam is a belief system which wants to conquer the world. Most beliefs systems are the same. But Islam wants to conquer the world using the sword. What has racism got to do with being anti-islam?

  187. Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2015 1:48 pm

    “I’ve probably hired and fired more people than you’ll ever avoid taxes for …”

    Ya not much of an “expert” if you have never heard of “Constructive Dismissal”.

    Although there was no hint of that in this case at the RC.

    But you still believed the ex CFMEU guy anyway……………here I go again ROFLMAO

  188. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 2:29 pm

    If a government is trying to cut the abuse and proliferation of Welfare

    Ignore the massive handouts the lib suburbs are getting in your rant. Oh, you did 😉

    These days there are very few arguing that unions are a positive on the ALP.

    This doesn’t make it right or wrong, just that those opposed are well backed by vested interests. When both major news outlets are ideologically opposed, you are not going to get to many voices in favour out there, are you?

    It is still a class war

    It always was, always will be.

    Where’s the paperwork?

    Shredded I’m sure.

    because once they were relevant

    Yea, howie thought that too 😆

    It was the politics and hopeless policy that caused the publicity.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    jeebus wept. ……….. vociferously 😆 😆 😆

    Still vewy silent on a certain bishops rorting claims from some here. It’s all about nasty Unions (who have employed someone who did a dirty deal with someone else (who NOW wants to complain) behind the Unions back)

    But bishop the kero rorts tax payers of $5k (as a starting point) ………….. crickets

  189. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 2:39 pm

  190. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 2:55 pm

    Poor ol kero, they just keep on picking on her.

    I wonder how Slipper is enjoying all of this?

    “We all know people can make honest mistakes but you don’t accidentally get on to a helicopter and turn up at a Liberal Party fundraiser…the government needs to release this document for us to work out exactly what it is that Bronwyn Bishop has claimed she has done.”

    In addition to questions about the charter helicopter flight, Mrs Bishop’s $309,000 in expenditure on overseas trips in one year has also been questioned.

    On a European trip, Mrs Bishop and two staff members spent $25,400 on accommodation and food, $42,400 on airfares and almost $14,000 on ground transport over the fortnight. They also pocketed about $6000 in advances and for minor and related expenses.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/speaker-bronwyn-bishop-given-resignation-ultimatum-over-helicopter-flight-20150717-giebps.html#ixzz3g7a5tQc6

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2015 2:56 pm

    Well, since you raised Bishop… what a shocking rort.

    I was at a political dinner a few years ago (an annual non partisan event) while Gillard was PM, Gillard gave the (incredibly uninspiring) speech. I sat next to Bronwyn.

    Bishop hissed under her breath throughout the speech – “lair, bitch…” (quietly), but it seemed like some form of compulsive disorder.

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 3:00 pm

    So Indonesia has reduced our beef exports because of some anti-Islam rallies? As usual you are deluded.

    My understanding is that Indonesia for years has wanted to develop their own beef production. The ALP ban just encouraged them to do it sooner.

  193. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 3:11 pm

    Someone should tell that pusillanimous poltroon Tony Burke that this is where Islamic arse-licking ends:

    Rotherham councillors ‘tried to keep a lid’ on the town’s grooming scandal, the professor who revealed the full extent of the problem has said.

    Alexis Jay said the Labour-dominated council turned a blind eye to child sexual exploitation issues, partly because it involved offenders from a community ‘expected to vote Labour’.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:06 pm

    I so wish they could get on with governing the country … but people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones I guess …

    LABOR has referred Speaker Bronwyn Bishop to the Australian Federal Police over her chartered helicopter flight to a Liberal fundraiser.

    MRS Bishop has offered to pay back more than $5200, plus a 25 per cent loading, claimed for the 100km helicopter flight between Melbourne and the Clifton Springs Golf Club in Geelong for a Liberal party function last year.

    Labor’s waste watch spokesman Pat Conroy on Friday wrote to the AFP seeking an investigation into whether Mrs Bishop made a false statement when she signed a Finance Department form stating the charter was claimed for “official business”.
    Knowingly making a false statement is a criminal offence.

    Labor frontbencher Tony Burke said he did not accept that an MP could get on a helicopter and “accidentally” attend a Liberal fundraiser.

    “We’re in a situation now where she will not answer a basic question, which is: has she or has she not lied on a form which, if you lie on, carries criminal penalties?” Mr Burke told reporters in Sydney.

    “If there is a reasonable explanation, then Bronwyn Bishop should give it to the Australian people, and she should provide it to the Australian Federal Police.”

    Mrs Bishop’s spokesman said on Thursday the Speaker stood by her assertion that the claim was made within the rules.

    Mrs Bishop attended the event at the Clifton Springs Golf Club on November 5, just after the writ was issued for the Victorian state election.

    Despite being scheduled to do so, the Speaker did not attend a ceremony in Canberra on Friday to remember the victims of the MH17 disaster.

    Fairfax reported on Friday that a political lobbyist who is a friend of Mrs Bishop’s chief of staff had arranged the helicopter charter.

    Comment has been sought from the charter company Air Melbourne.

    Greens senator Lee Rhiannon said there should be an independent investigation into the helicopter company’s ties with the Speaker’s office.

    “The more details revealed about this absolutely extraordinary episode the more apparent it becomes that something fishy is going on,” Senator Rhiannon said in a statement.
    There should also be a broader review of entitlements rules, she said.

    Independent senator Nick Xenophon said he would seek parliament’s support for an independent entitlements umpire to which the public could take complaints.
    Travel disclosures should be made within 30 days of the travel occurring, he said.

    And my understanding is that if you have a criminal record you cannot be a politician …

    I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong … 🙂

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:08 pm

    The UK – Rotherham councillors !!!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:10 pm

    … that this is where Islamic arse-licking ends:

    So they are the same as catliks after all … organised religion … organised crime …

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:12 pm

    Bronny will probably invoke the “panic attack” defence.

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:16 pm

    “So they are the same as catliks after all”

    Ask Tony Burke.

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:27 pm

    For the Commonwealth parliament you must resign if convicted of a crime punishable by a year or more in prison. There is a fuller discussion of the position including in other jurisdictions here.

  200. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:44 pm

    but it seemed like some form of compulsive disorder.

    I AGREE!

    It seems she has some kind of compulsive disorder that makes here repeat (quietly) what those seated next to her are saying 😉

    As usual you are deluded.

    As usual, you appear to be on a planet further out than Pluto.

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:50 pm

    Ask Tony Burke.

    About bronnie kero?

  202. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:51 pm

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:52 pm

    “The UK – Rotherham councillors !!!”

    Yeah Rotheram. Thirteen hundred girls some as young as 10 groomed and raped and handed around by Muslim pack animals under the watchful gaze of Labour politicians who did not want to act for fear of alienating their voter base.

    Social workers and police also failed to act for fear of being called racist. They would be the type of ignorant mongrel that thinks Islam is race.

    One major reason Muslims were imported en masse to the UK was the fact that they would likely vote Labour. Exactly the same reason Keating allowed Islamist wack-job Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali permanent residence. And the same reason Obama is trying to re-populate the US with the dregs of Mexico. It is all about votes. Leftists don’t care that they are fucking up our society. They hate Western civilisation anyway.

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2015 4:53 pm

    “About bronnie kero?”

    About Islamic arse-licking. He’s an expert.

  205. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 5:33 pm

    Why the unhingement over Tony Burke?

    Does this explain it?

    But will the AFP stir from their slumber?

  206. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 6:09 pm

    yep, the libs made sure we all know 😉

  207. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2015 6:18 pm

    So, what excuse will the AFP use in order not to look into it this time?

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2015 6:48 pm

    Yeah Rotheram.

    I know the grisly details, sb … I have relatives in Yorkshire and know Rotherham – therefore an interest … and read the story when it broke … your “link” to Tony Bourke though gives great insight into the way you construct political thoughts and campaigns …

  209. July 17, 2015 6:57 pm

    How’s that photo of Pat Conroy – is that meant to be “”a smile?””

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 8:48 pm

    Another lie from @TonyAbbottMHR – and this one costing 101 people their jobs today.

    What is the lie? Apparently Labor did nothing for 6 years about replacing the aging Collins Class submarines other than proposing building 12 of them.

  211. July 17, 2015 8:48 pm

    I’m freaking out!

    There’s nothing on TV worth watching

    The so-called newspapers are full of shit.

    I’ve got an enquiring mind with no avenues left to explore

    WYF IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!

  212. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2015 8:56 pm

    The Ashes is on.

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2015 8:23 am

    The end of capitalism has begun:
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun?CMP=soc_568

  214. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2015 11:05 am

    Well, hasn’t taken the AFp long to run to protect their benefactors.

    Will this go further.? Seems to be a lot of angst amongst keyboard warrior. Will it make any difference?

  215. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2015 11:11 am

    WTF

    They have allowed a CONVICTED CRIMINAL to not only enter, but WIN??

    I hope they issue a statement soon telling us how wrong they were!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/nigel-milsom-wins-archibald-prize-with-waterstreet-portrait/6627264

    (btw, I quite like the painting. I hope that doesn’t make me a CONVICTED CRIMINAL SYMATHISER 😉 )

  216. armchair opionator permalink
    July 18, 2015 2:04 pm

  217. armchair opionator permalink
    July 18, 2015 2:10 pm

    No, definitely not racist 🙄

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2015 6:34 pm

    BUSTED! Libs caught deleting Abbott’s criticisms of Slipper from their website! #auspol #bronwynbishop #choppergate

    1:41 PM – 18 Jul 2015

    Just demonstrates their iggorance of how the interwebby thingy actually works …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny how all this anti-racism/racism shite fires up while this government stirs the pot constantly, hey?

    Shakes head …

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2015 6:57 pm

    Funny how all this anti-racism/racism shite fires up while this government stirs the pot constantly, hey?

    Funny how the AFP run a protection racket for this mob.

  220. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2015 7:10 pm

    I’m not expert on “guidelines”, but even yabot makes up bullshit “pressers” or “factory visits” to hide his expenses when attending party functions and claiming them. Now, it appears these are being stretched.

    On Saturday, she not only stuck by that view, but said she would keep using taxpayers’ money to attend party fundraisers, something that is clearly unacceptable, regardless of whether it is within some nebulous guidelines or not.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bishop-digs-a-deeper-hole-for-herself-20150718-gifc1a?stb=twt

    Is bishop just the test case so that yabot won’t be burdened by these extra ‘hassles’ and he can concentrate on what the taxpayers are paying him for, pushing his political agenda within his own party?

    But as for the AFP, they have been on the nose for a while now, especially since their harassment of Slipper and Thomson at the libs beckoning.

    Bishop is of the hook regarding labor’s referral of the matter to the Australian federal Police. The AFP, which went after Peter Slipper for the dodgy use f $900 in Cabcharges, has dogged it on Bishop and left it up the Finance Department, led by Secretary Jane Halton, to investigate the mater. That as good as kills it off.

    We may never now know whether Bishop declared the chopper ride as “official business”. She won’t release the form and Halton, who helped cover up the children overboard outrage in 2001, is unlikely to do anything to hurt the government.

    Something stinks in the state of Australia

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2015 7:48 pm

    Funny how all this anti-racism/racism shite fires up while this government stirs the pot constantly, hey?

    They are mainly anti-Islam. Apparently there were only 50 people at the beginning of the rally and another 60 turned up. Not many people.

    It would have been a peaceful rally if the natural totalitarians did not turn up. I have never heard of Reclaim Australia but they should be allowed to march in peace.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2015 7:55 pm

    Something stinks in the state of Australia

    It certainly do! The Liberal National Party Coalition!

    More Precisely Tony “The Mad” Abbott …

    Slimy, slinky and definitely stinky!

    It would have been a peaceful rally if the natural totalitarians did not turn up.

    Ahhh … explains where sb and Wally were today! 🙂

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2015 8:00 pm

    For anyone curious about my present gravatar …

    http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/people-inked-semicolons/story?id=32362811

    I’m currently looking for a new one … 😉

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2015 8:04 pm

    The confrontation shows what ALP/Greens people are like. They believe in their own moral superiority and do not like other people having different opinions. They also like locking people up like all the asylum seekers ALP/Greens people locked up.

    People should be allowed to have a peaceful rally but ALP/Lefties often will not allow it.

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2015 8:11 pm

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2015 9:17 pm

    Slimy, slinky and definitely stinky!

    I think Bishop should resign. But it is hard to beat this for stinkiness.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard….Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    Brought to you by the people who voted ALP/Greens in 2007.

  227. Not Many People permalink
    July 18, 2015 10:45 pm

    Amid the anger and frustration festering post-September 11, post-GFC, people are looking for scapegoats. And that considerable group of young Australian nationalists – chattering on the internet, convening in loungerooms or
    meeting on the Gold Coast – could prove a powerful force for a politician able to give their blind views vision. “These small groups of people can do a great deal of damage, and that happens,” says the University of Western
    Sydney
    ’s Professor Dunn. “If people who have these views begin to imagine that they have the consensus position – that they are the majority view – they become more emboldened.”

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2015 10:53 pm

    Post-match review: July 18 #ReclaimAustralia/#UnitedPatriotsFront rallies #Melbourne:
    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=38594

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2015 11:08 pm

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bronwyn-bishop-choppergate-two-new-charter-flights-queried-as-speaker-snipes-at-treasurer-joe-hockey/story-fni0fiyv-1227447404721

    …Ms Bishop broke her silence on Saturday over the crisis, dubbed “Choppergate”, and revealed she had taken two other charter flights to speaking events last year…

    …During a tense press conference on Saturday, Ms Bishop was unable to nominate any other reason why she was in Victoria, which raises further questions about whether her original flight from Queensland to Melbourne should have been billed to taxpayers…

    …Ms Bishop refused to provide details of fixed-wing charter flights she took last year, other than to say, “I think one was to Nowra and I think one was to Young”.

    “They were certainly public meetings, there could have been a fundraising as well. As I said, that is not improper.”

    She ruled out stepping down as Speaker. “One doesn’t resign for an error of judgment when it’s within the guidelines,” she said…

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2015 8:09 am
  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2015 9:28 am

    In other news

    Trump Lashes Out At McCain: ‘I Like People Who Weren’t Captured’:
    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/18/424169549/trump-lashes-out-at-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured

    How they celebrate a 21st birthday in the deep south.

    Dallas man celebrating 21st birthday accidentally shoots himself dead
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tex-man-shoots-21st-birthday-party-dies-article-1.2296642

    …Alcohol was a factor in the shootings, police said… 🙄

    Anders Breivik, Norwegian Mass Murderer, Admitted To Oslo University:
    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/17/423881034/anders-breivik-norwegian-mass-murderer-admitted-to-oslo-university

  232. July 19, 2015 10:30 am

    It’s hard to imagine Bishop isn’t imminently fucked, when even Bolt is (rightly) calling for her head!

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbott_should_stop_bishop_claiming_what_she_must_not_the_sack_might_be_the_/

    Also, witness the breath taking arrogance & assumption that the punters are dumb as dogshit, illustrated by Abbott’s taking down of his attacks upon Peter Slipper for less rorting of similar ‘entitlements’, in recent days.
    Hard to conceive a better example of an attempt to throw unfriendly political history down The Memory Hole.
    Apparently the Libs have no concept of the waybackmachine; or are desperately hoping that none of the rest of us do.

  233. July 19, 2015 10:37 am

    “They are mainly anti-Islam. Apparently there were only 50 people at the beginning of the rally and another 60 turned up. Not many people. ”

    That would be the tiny fringe (much less numerous, or popularly supported, than they imagine themselves to be) who are agitated into paranoid, nationalist delusion by the Government’s incessant fearsquirting.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2015 11:36 am

    It’s hard to imagine Bishop isn’t imminently fucked, when even Bolt is (rightly) calling for her head!

    I went looking for comments to Bolt’s story and was sadly disappointed … nary a letter … or expletive … (thanks for the link, toylet, I never venture there) …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, re Heilnesses … a reminder that The Firm is a German family (changed their name in WWI for obvious reasons) and the links to Hitler via particular members of The Firm was questioned at the time … and still is …

    … and for Diana to die “accidentally” in an armoured Mercedes Benz and her body shipped to the UK having been tampered with and without an autopsy (at that level of security?) is ludicrous …

    Think, The Firm … think, The Mafia …

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 12:42 pm

    I went looking for comments to Bolt’s story and was sadly disappointed … nary a letter … or expletive

    It was commented on during the week but since you lefties took Bolt to court he needs moderators to review the comments before posting. And on the weekend he does not have moderators.

    Another example of lefties banning things they do not like

    upon Peter Slipper for less rorting of similar ‘entitlements’

    I am not up on this case but Slipper i believe is somewhat different. Visiting winefields has nothing to do with politics. Furthermore i am guessing he offended multiple times, was given multiple warnings and still kept offending.

    But Bronnie should go. Just goes to show that with age doesn’t mean you have increased wisdom.

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2015 2:54 pm

  237. July 19, 2015 2:59 pm
  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2015 3:07 pm

    The stupid is strong

  239. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2015 3:32 pm

    Western Sydney Labor has decided to appease Muslim voters. Hence the push to change the ALP’s Middle-East policy spearheaded by the likes of Burke. The ALP will behave no differently to the Rotheram Councillors when push comes to shove. If you prefer civilisation to Sharia Law, don’t vote for Toady Burke.

  240. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 3:44 pm

    Hence the push to change the ALP’s Middle-East policy spearheaded by the likes of Burke.

    You’ve mentioned this before. Can you elaborate?

    The ALP will behave no differently to the Rotheram Councillors

    Link?

  241. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 3:49 pm

    The internets memory holes

    The Opposition is calling for Peter Slipper to stand aside until he has been cleared of all the allegations against him, as the embattled Speaker faces new claims of travel rorts.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/slipper-should-step-down-until-all-matters-cleared–pyne-20120422-1xfoy.html#ixzz3gJVbBjzC

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 4:32 pm

    The internets memory holes

    Not quite the same. Slipper also had sexual harassment charges leveled against him. Much more serious.

    But i agree that Bishop should stand down. And if she had any shame she should resign herself.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2015 5:10 pm

    The Opposition is calling for Peter Slipper to stand aside until he has been cleared of all the allegations against him, as the embattled Speaker faces new claims of travel rorts.

    And Slipper DID!

    While Bishop just burbles and burps bullshit … values? LNP nil …

  244. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 6:14 pm

    Not quite the same.

    True, because Slippers turned out to be a politically motivated set up.

    The sexual harassment was and is separate to the rorts which the AFP were referring to in their claim about the Finance department.

    The two are almost identical in that respect, and the AFP have been exposed for treating the two differently

  245. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 6:19 pm

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2015 6:44 pm

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 7:11 pm


    While Bishop just burbles and burps bullshit … values? LNP nil

    I agree with the bit about Bronnie but you are on dangerous ground saying the ALP has higher standards.

    Every convicted child abusing member of Parliament has been a member of the ALP.

    Also check out this list of crimes. See if you can match the crime with the pictures in the link

    http://pickeringpost.com/story/those-who-aspire-to-lead-us/1121

    Labor MP: Sentenced to 15 years jail for sexual predation on a child and supplying heroine to minors. Former Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Minister Assisting the Premier. When a female member of his staff whistleblew that he was abusing children, Nathan Rees fired her.

    Labor MP: Sentenced to five years jail in 1994. He was found guilty of child sex crimes and rape. A one-time Leader of the Opposition and convicted paedophile.

    Labor MP. He was sentenced to seven years’ jail for paedophilia and child rape. He too was a teacher in remote communities, and was convicted on no fewer than 20 counts of raping and abusing children. He was released in 2000.

    Labor MP: Convicted of taking explicit sexual photographs of a 12 year old child and was also a convicted paedophile. His sentence was suspended due to a medical condition.

    Labor MP: ALP powerbroker and Lebanese supremo of the infamous NSW Right. Currently under investigation for fraud involving hundreds of millions of dollars in mining deals.

    Labor MP: Holds high position in Federal Parliament with the assistance of the NSW Right. Currently under investigation by the Victorian Fraud Squad for stealing in excess of one million dollars, money laundering and conspiracy to defraud.

    Labor MP: Sentenced to 15 years’ jail for bribery. Was a former Minister for Industrial Relations, Minister for Health, and then Minister for Primary Industry.

    Labor MP: Held position as a Minister. Was found with hard drives on his computer full of kiddie porn. Currently before the Courts. Out on bail and turns up at Parliament for the minimum period possible to ensure his salary and perks are still claimable.

    Labor MP: Minister for Racing, Tourism & Fair Trade. Sentenced to 18 months jail for extortion.

    Labor MP: Accused of misappropriation of union funds. Was forced to the cross benches to avoid further Labor embarrassment.

    Labor MP: State Premier who was convicted and served seven months jail for misappropriation of public funds.

    Labor MP: “A gross person” according to a prostitute who was paid by the underworld to fondle him for monetary favours. He stands accused with one of the above MPs of defrauding millions of public funds.

    Labor Member: National President of the ALP. Trustee of First State Super and a Director of SGE Credit Union. Charged with 28 offences including hindering Police and embezzlement of more than $20 million.

    Labor MP: Found Guilty of immigration fraud, conspiracy to defraud, bribery and soliciting. He was sentenced in 2002 to six years’ jail.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2015 7:33 pm

    “Slippers appointmentturned out to be a politically motivated set up.”

  249. July 19, 2015 7:35 pm

    ” If you prefer civilisation to Sharia Law, don’t vote for Toady Burke.”

    *squirt, squirt

    If you prefer measured appraisal of threats, rather than exaggerated, emotive appeals to xenophobia with a dash of Police Statism, don’t vote for Tony AbbottCorp.

    Honestly, check out the per capita representation of muslims in Oz, let alone allusions towards Sharia Law. You’ve been had.

  250. July 19, 2015 7:38 pm

    Also, if the Abbott’s attacks upon Slipper were so altruistic, way back when, why has he suddenly removed all evidence of his commentary then from his official site?…hmmmm

    I think you recognise the motives, as well does he & his.

  251. July 19, 2015 7:46 pm

    Props to Bolt for pursuing Bishop today, via his interview with Hockey (who tried to, laughably, stay on Party message, even after she slandered the fuck out of his [perfectly reasonable] appraisal that her claims didn’t pass the sniff test) on The Bog Report today.

    * I didn’t watch, I’ve just seen the headlines.

    ** fuck Port Scum…2015 over…how sweet it is…

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 8:25 pm

    True, because Slippers turned out to be a politically motivated set up.

    Once again that comment shows your stupidity/deceitfulness, whatever. Fact is us humans have very few close friends, especially in politics. If what you say occurred someone somewhere would speak out and dob these guys in who supposedly arranged this setup.

  253. July 19, 2015 8:34 pm

    You are so fucking wilfully naïve, Kneel.

    Wake the fuck up & recognise that they are gaming you.

  254. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 8:55 pm

    Slippers appointmentturned out to be a politically motivated set up

    You mean, a politician appointing another politician is political 😯

    STOP THE PRESS!

    Once again that comment shows your stupidity/deceitfulness, whatever

    I’d be careful nil, it was a judge that made that comment initially. I’m just parroting it 😉

  255. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2015 8:56 pm

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 9:36 pm

    I’d be careful nil, it was a judge that made that comment initially

    Set ups are really hard to keep hidden. Somebody, somewhere would come out and talk. Same goes for that children overboard thing. If the story that Howard gave had been manipulated someone would speak out. All the suspects are still around and the story they tell has not changed. Somebody somewhere would break the story.

  257. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2015 10:33 pm

    a reminder that The Firm is a German family (changed their name in WWI for obvious reasons)

    Sounds like you are racist against Germans. I do remember from my school days that the angles, saxons and jutes invaded and settled England. I think the English have lots of German blood in them.

  258. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2015 7:57 am

    Set ups are really hard to keep hidden.

    Which would be why the judge made the comments.

    Whatever happened to the AFP looking into that? Not that I am implying anything nefarious, in the most obvious bolt manner.

  259. More Fun'd Razing permalink
    July 20, 2015 11:43 am

    About James

    James was Campaign Director for both the Queensland Liberal National Party and the Northern Territory Country Liberals in their successful election campaigns in 2012. Previously he was Deputy Federal Director of the Liberal Party with responsibility for campaigns and campaigning with specific overview of target seats in Queensland for the 2010 Federal Election.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2015 11:58 am

    Sounds like you are racist against Germans.

    So much so that my mate, Wolfgang, is from guess where! Fuckwit!

    I am against The Firm and the hypocrisy that they are an English “royal family”

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2015 11:59 am

    In fact I’m against “royal Firms” in any shape or form … ROBBER BARONS all …

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2015 12:01 pm

    Funny how all the right whingers disappear when the indefensible rears its ugly head … had the same been from the ALP most of us here would be condemning them …

    Values? Hypocrisy?

  263. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2015 12:13 pm

    In fact I’m against “royal Firms” in any shape or form

    One advantage of a monarchy for the British is that it gives a non-political head of State. When there is a major disaster like a school shooting that happens the Queen can turn up and offer comfort. With the USA the President will turn up but he will always be a Democrat or Republican politician.

    Also for the British the Monarchy is a tourist attraction. Nobody would visit Britain to see where the President lives but they will turn up to see Buckingham Palace

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