Adam Goodes considering early retirement over booing saga!
July 29, 2015
Tom of Melbourne writes…..
It would be an absolute disgrace if Goodes retired now, if redneck bogans and bigots forced him out.
The AFL and football community needs to (belatedly) step up on this-
• Every club president, coach and captain to sign a joint statement condemning the behavioiur
• Every cheer club to have a banner this weekend supporting indigenous players, denouncing the booing
• Indigenous players encouraged to perform “the war dance”
• Ground cameras to show people booing Goodes (shame them)
• People in the ground to call out “RACIST” at those that boo Goodes
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theguttertrash.com 
Great points there!
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Alan Jones proves he is a c**t.
They’re booing Adam Goodes because they don’t like him and they don’t like his behaviour.””
But maybe he is right, racists don’t like Goodes because he –
• Points out very uncomfortable facts about the history of indigenous dispossession
• Is proud of his heritage
• Calls out racism when it occurs
• Doesn’t shy away from identifying bigots
• Talks about the issues that are of concern to indigenous people
It’s no wonder bigots and racists don’t like Goodes.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/swans-star-adam-goodes-always-plays-the-victim-alan-jones-20150729-gimmn3.html#ixzz3hEiPxyqL
“Great points there!”
Well……..it does say you wrote it so I would have had a suspicion you might just say that
The main reason for not liking Goodes is because he is a rich, privileged, thin-skinned, self-righteous prat?
There’s a person on twitter who publishes comments that appear on Andrew Bolt’s site as a sort of parody under the twitter handle @boltcomments . Some of the readers’ comments about Goodes are quite insightful…
“The main reason for not liking Goodes is because he is a rich, privileged, thin-skinned, self-righteous prat?”
Maybe at the start (mind you I found the spear throwing thingo no worse than the Kiwi Haka in fact I welcomed it)…….but when he makes it known that he regards the constant booing as racially offensive but people keep doing it I think that means they are deliberately trying to be…………………well………………. racially offensive.
Bolt has been agitating the anti-Goodes movement since he was made Australian Of The Year…and didn’t have the decency to just be a good Uncle Tom & sit back being quietly grateful & humble.
People don’t like Adam saying uncomfortable things.
I don’t like him because he’s from the player poaching Sydney Swines, but I can certainly recognise the inherently racist stances taken towards him. As usual, Bolt plays on that undercurrent & gives succour to those who think middle aged white men are the ones being eternally victimised.
A fair chunk (presumably) of the football watching population like their aboriginal players kicking goals & entertaining them…not being outspoken on social issues.
I agree with Walrus.
By all accounts, off the football field Goodes is a profoundly decent man. His becoming the focal point of such overwhelming public negativity is pretty awful.
Gee … I’ve booed plenty of footballers (soccer, union, league) over the years … white, black, brown, even yellow … and all because they were arseholes on the field … and a racist I’m not …
Now I don’t follow aerial ping-pong but I wouldn’t mind betting that Goodes is not the “cleanest” of players? Happy to be corrected – just a guess …
I’ve only seen him do the chukkaspear at the crowd dance that would in general stir up most football crowds …
Hidden agenda? Raise the profile of racism against Aboriginals? At personal expense?
The Poll at the bottom of this link is interesting …
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dermott-brereton-and-rebecca-wilson-have-huge-fight-over-adam-goodes-on-melbourne-radio-station-sen/story-fndv7pj3-1227460701660
If Bolt can err on the side of taking offense because he is a white middle aged male, he will.
He’s such a predictable foot soldier for bigots.
I do agree that the “organised” booing, everywhere, is now going over the top …
The main reason for not liking Goodes is because he is a rich, privileged, thin-skinned, self-righteous prat
Rich = successful footballer
Privileged = successful footballer
Thin-skinned = indigenous successful footballer who gets racial abuse
Self-righteous = indigenous successful footballer who gets racial abuse and replies
It is now a vicious cycle which cannot be stopped.
The media frenzy around it. And the likes of Bolt stirring it up, ensures the booing will get worse, although possibly not this weekend because Sydney play at home against Adelaide.
I suspect Goodes may even retire prematurely.
I dont think banning a crowd from booing would work. Nor do I think it should be attempted. In fact, I think the arrogance of an attempt to do so would exacerbate the issue tenfold.
Responsible football administrators usually sanction players who behave provocatively towards opposing fans:
The difference, Walrus, is that the Haka is directed at the other team, not the crowd, and is not racist – it is performed by the whole team and is directed at all members of the opposition team. When Goodes said he wouldn’t have done his war cry against Chris Yarran he demonstrated his racist intent to user footy as a proxy race war.
If Goodes wants to throw a spear at the crowd the appropriate response is not, as some leftists would like, to drop to one’s knees and offer to suck his cock, while apologising profusely for every bad thing that has ever happened to Goode’s forbears. Rather the crowd should as one cock their hands to the shape of a pistol or pretend to hold a shot-gun and let the cunt have both barrels.
Goodes is a sad washed-up player looking to score some political capital on his ungracious exit from the game.
It is up to clubs (officials, players, captains, coaches) and supporters (cheer clubs) to say –
THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR CLUB STANDS FOR!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31644075
It isn’t just the AFL and it is ugly, racism in sport can’t be tolerated.
Stamp it out, don’t excuse it.
“Rather the crowd should as one cock their hands to the shape of a pistol or pretend to hold a shot-gun and let the cunt have both barrels.”
Why not dorn a white hood and hold a flaming crucifix in the air ?
I think we’ll have to disagree SB.
If Goodes says he regards it as racist and they then get louder just to antagonise him then it is ……………racist.
It’s his perception that counts is it not ?
Anyway the AFL is such a silly bunch
I think I’ll stick to the NRL which are not quite as bad.
The main reason for not liking Goodes is because he is a rich, privileged, thin-skinned, self-righteous prat?
Says a privileged, thin-skinned, self-righteous prat?
Mind you, how was he “privilged”?
Training for years and playing at the top of an elite sport for over a decade doesn’t make you “priviliged”.
How is he “thin-skinned”?
Pointing out racial slurs and thuggery doesn’t make you “thin-skinned”, it makes you someone who is pointing out racial slurs and thuggery.
He might be self-righteous, or he might just be right.
People don’t like Adam saying uncomfortable things.
That’s it in a nutshell.
sprinted 90 yards
See if you can spot the difference sb 😉
THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR CLUB STANDS FOR!
I hope he plays against Adelaide. The Adelaide players have already come out and urged the supporters to remember the treatment our team has been given since the coaches death, and to return it in kind. I don’t doubt that they would have without the urging.
It isn’t just the AFL and it is ugly, racism in sport can’t be tolerated.
exactly, and for the AFL to continue to harbour the likes of eddie mcguire(?) and his offshoots, that longer it will remain
I think I’ll stick to the NRL which are not quite as bad.
How many complete teams of theirs were caught cheating with drugs ROFL
“I hope he plays against Adelaide. The Adelaide players have already come out and urged the supporters to remember the treatment our team has been given since the coaches death, and to return it in kind. I don’t doubt that they would have without the urging.”
Yes, I’ve seen a video of Jake Lever saying precisely that. A point well made.
Hopefully Tippett plays & they belt him instead. Mercenary cnut.
I like that picture of the NRL player ‘bubbling’. Tells me all I need to know about no-neck runball.
Mercenary cnut.
yep, but then again, I don’t hold that against him, he’s a young guy getting what he can. It’s the modern game and I guess we just gotta accept it.
“If Goodes says he regards it as racist and they then get louder just to antagonise him then it is ……………racist.
It’s his perception that counts is it not ?”
Not in any sane world does the prize go to the loudest whinger. Just because Goodes has a chip on his shoulder and wants to label anyone who has the temerity to criticise him as a racist does not mean they are racist. It means that Goodes is a snivelling thin-skinned idiot.
Interestingly, it was West Coast supporters (who were involved in booing Goodes on the weekend) who only a fortnight ago were so respectful to the Crows players.
I also think that the ‘spear dance’, well intended or not, is provocative towards the crowd. It is hardly surprising that it’s engendered the ongoing conflict. However, this all goes back further, to Goodes being made AoTY & his singling out of the 13yo girl for calling him an ape.
The masses can’t be silenced, whether they are ‘ugly’ or not.
“How many complete teams of theirs were caught cheating with drugs”
Complete Teams = ZERO
11 players for the Sharks out of total squad of 27 plus Sandor Earl from Penrith.
Cricket was ZERO, Soccer was ZERO, Rugby was ZERO, Netball was ZERO………..and where was all that organised crime………all those links to crime………so why was it called our “Darkest Day in Sport” when suspicions were announced ?
Why did Jason Clare and Kate Ellis embarrass the entire sporting fraternity and the Nation ?
Just because Goodes has a chip on his shoulder and wants to label anyone who has the temerity to criticise him as a racist does not mean they are racist.
Are you anal jones? Can you site a report where Goodes wasn’t correct in calling out racism?
I had just read this from jones rant, and then you posted almost the same.
He humiliated a 13-year-old girl who didn’t even know what she was saying, and the public haven’t forgotten it.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/swans-star-adam-goodes-always-plays-the-victim-alan-jones-20150729-gimmn3.html#ixzz3hFDjstEC
Her ignorance doesn’t change the fact. Where does she learn that from? It was racist, and needed to be stamped out. And, as I mentioned, he handled that with aplomb, something jones ignores, whilst reminding the public again (and dishonestly) that “He humiliated a 13-year-old girl ”
He did not. She did, and he helped her through that. Jones is a fuckwit, and he sounds just like you.
“Points out very uncomfortable facts about the history of indigenous dispossession…”
…”People don’t like Adam saying uncomfortable things…”
I really don’t like this white backlash about any aboriginal aspiration.
I read everywhere that goodes greatest sin is politicising the sport, people don’t go to footy to listen to aboriginal’s whinging.
Apparently aboriginal players have to quietly do their job and never let on as to who they are, where they come from and what they think about anything, otherwise it’s ‘pull yer head in’ and ‘don’t get uppity.’ And never, ever, celebrate their own culture! They have to behave as white people expect them to.
Don’t make white folks feel uncomfortable about our racist history because that’s POLITICAL and not to be tolerated.
I despair of ever being able to celebrate our indigenous history.
No wonder abbott & co are having such trouble and second thoughts on the acknowledgement in the constitution, too many rednecks in the parliament.
This is the result of political division from the top down IMO, instead of uniting australians politicians have divided the country for votes and made people think it is OK to be racist bigots.
How about busloads of loud and proud aboriginals go to the next game and sit amongst them all?
I’d rather see the sport die out than have this racism on parade.
…I also think that the ‘spear dance’, well intended or not, is provocative towards the crowd. It is hardly surprising that it’s engendered the ongoing conflict…
How ridiculous toilet, getting offended at something like that. I think it was taken as provocative because they wanted to take offence, they look for anything to have a go at the man. They see him run onto the field and are instantly offended.
Why did Jason Clare and Kate Ellis embarrass the entire sporting fraternity and the Nation ?
Because 11 players from one team in Rugby, and (who knows how many) players from one team in AFL were caught running clandestine drug programs. CHEATING.
And who knows how many others if the AFL hadn’t tipped them off.
If you don’t think that is a massive problem in professional sports, you need to check up on what a sport is.
However, this all goes back further, to Goodes being made AoTY & his singling out of the 13yo girl for calling him an ape.
Because white expectation is for aboriginals to accept any slight or insult that white people want to give them, even young kids?
He was right to call it out and he should, every single time.
Even those that are booing Goodes for pointing out the offensive teenager (I was uncomfortable with that), are now giving comfort and credibility to bigots.
Decent people will go to the football and applaud the champion every time he touches the ball.
I don’t disagree, KL.
All I meant is that the booing has been festering away, for a variety of reasons, over a protracted period.
It didn’t start with the spear dance.
How ridiculous toilet, getting offended at something like that
Well, it was provocative. It was meant to be, to razz the opposition supporters up. Nothing wrong with that, happens weakly, and is/can be entertaining.
But you are right that it is nothing to get offended at. But they/some did, and because is was (I think) someone who some in the crowd thought were there better than.
Since then, and with the urging from convicted racist like bolt and proven racists like jones and mcguire etal urging them on, it has grown into a national sport.
The ones who should be getting booed week in and week out are those armchair thugs feeding the flames of intolerance.
“How ridiculous toilet, getting offended at something like that.”
The AFL crowds do seem to be easily offended.
There’s plenty of gesturing (finger wagging and generally mouthing off at the crowd) by indigenous players in the NRL. And nothing comes of it
You do seem to be a bunch of soft cocks south and west of the Murray
And even a 13 year old should know not to call an aboriginal player an ape.
Like I said…….a bunch of soft cocks
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+goanna+greg+inglis&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=653CADAFB86F7DAB90DF653CADAFB86F7DAB90DF
I was uncomfortable with that
As was Goodes, who said so at the time. Ignored by the likes of jones as they continue to misrepresent the incident in order to further incite intolerance.
Adam Goodes has won only 11 free kicks this season, is the perception really a reality?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-has-won-only-11-free-kicks-this-season-is-the-perception-really-a-reality/story-fnia6oxb-1227460722688
…But if you aren’t one of those who simply believes he is an “uppity” indigenous figure, have a look at these free kick numbers.This year Adam Goodes — serious ducker, serial free-kick milker, seriously annoying player to many rival fans — has won a grand total of 11 free kicks.
For the entire year.
That figure from Champion Data puts him 168th on the list of AFL players.
Behind a long list of stars including Joel Selwood (44), Anthony Miles (41), Trent Cotchin (39), Marc Murphy (39), Allen Christensen (37) and Todd Goldstein (33).
Of Goodes’ 11 frees this year, not one was for head-high contact.
Which puts him equal 436th in that category…
…Neale Daniher is rightfully a national hero for highlighting the plight of those suffering motor neurone disease.
The Riewoldt cousins could not have shown more grace or passion in pushing for funding for Maddie Riewoldt’s rare bone marrow condition.
Adam Goodes isn’t a nice easy package to understand as he confronts white Australia with his message about indigenous issues.
The fear is that when Goodes highlights endemic racism or indigenous infant mortality rates or life expectancy or deaths in custody many recoil rather than rejoice.
And then we fall back on the free kick argument when the bloke next to us at the footy asks us why we are booing Adam Goodes.
It’s convenient, but it isn’t right…
Nick Winmar responded appropriately to the jeers of Collingwood supporters and is now lauded for the action. It the time it was contentious and regarded as provocative.
Adam Goodes will eventually be regarded as a champion footballer and a leader in the putting the spotlight on indigenous issues.
I don’t know the full context here, but I did read something today about someone mentioning “back to the zoo” to Goodes? Some cartoonists can cut right through to the point
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/29/why-do-you-boo-adam-goodes-is-it-because-
Goodes is fcuked if he quits. As `our` learned blot-watcher points out, blot will always be there to point out goodes is an `uppity-nigger` and not a `grateful-house-nigger` to his tinfoil-bedsheet clad viewers. On this aspect there is no u-turn for goodes, as blot is sure to follow. Goodes needs to keep playing, kicking lots of goals, defeating rednecks teams, and throwing lots of `imaginary`-spears until the unhinged cranks scorch themselves on their own burning crosses.
#go.goodes
TB from the other thread
and here’s me thinking that Goodes had apologised to the girl
Not sure why he should apologise? The ground who held her for so long should, but that’s out of his hand. Goodes however did offer her his support and asked people not to judge her.
Goodes said earlier he was shattered but did not blame the teen.
‘Racism had a face … and it was a 13-year-old girl – but it’s not her fault,” Goodes said.
The teen girl spoke to Goodes and Magpie president Eddie McGuire on the phone to apologise for her actions.
http://www.news.com.au/national/the-mother-of-girl-who-hurled-abuse-at-adam-goodes-says-reaction-has-been-blown-out-of-proportion/story-e6frfkp9-1226651200208
He also sent out a series of tweets offering her his support.
Link to TB 😉
https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/27/will-the-libs-stick-with-abbott-towards-election-oblivion/#comment-111378
and here’s me thinking that Goodes had apologised to the girl
Apparently the 13 year old girl was interrogated without her parents being present or any adult person looking after her.
Sounds sick to me.
Sounds sick to me.
Blame the police for that, it had nothing to do with Goodes.
But Goodes kept her at arm’s length. Did the girl call Goodes or write a letter?
Just what does “let’s support her please” mean? “I’m moving on” …
Her mother feels her daughter is suffering … is she?
There’s passion and then there’s compassion …
(Apologies for the wrong thread earlier, thanks to TR)
Blame the police for that, it had nothing to do with Goodes.
Exactly. The media, the footy staff and the cops treated her terribly. All Goodes did was call out a racist comment, and then went out of his way to support her.
But Goodes kept her at arm’s length.
If you call talking on the phone and offering support “arms length”, considering she had just abused him a pretty vile manner, then “arms length” it is.
Can you see many other people doing even that?
Apologies for the wrong thread earlier
No probs TB, do what I do, blame reb 😉 🙂
GO ENGLAND!
Ockertards…7/108
Hi and bye toilet, I’m off to bed, enjoy the cricket!
Why do you boo Adam Goodes? Is it because …
First Dog on the Moon
http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ee292f88a8fdc99c31a1001cf5c738ad8f9bf38d/0_0_2400_5564/master/2400.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=6871d6aa71338d7dce27b2d4f5e05b28
Hi & bye…me too (off to bed).
I wouldn’t boo Adam Goodes, but I’d jeer his Team.
It’s a nasty situation, getting harder to read by the hour.
* not watching the cricket…just reading the panicky, flagsturbating nationalist headlines regarding cricket. 😉
Peter Fitzimmons lets fly at jones etal
This bullshit has been echoed by the usual acolytes in columns, talkback forums and all the rest, by the same people who previously have maintained in seeming seriousness that calling an Indigenous man a “black c—” is not racist, that telling a man to “go back to the zoo” is not racist, that calling him an “ape” is not racist – most especially if the girl who called him that is only 13 years old.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fitz-files/bravo-adam-goodes-and-shame-on-alan-jones-and-his-acolytes-20150729-gin6zm.html#ixzz3hJz0Y6BH
But the argument is fraught and risks losing any kind of subjective analysis I think when the cry goes out to ban booing.
I have booed, many times, players, refs, and crowd members. It’s part of the game.
And I have booed when an opposition player kicks a goal and razes up the crowd. To me, it’s all part of the game, as long as it is done in the spirit of the game (and I don’t mean with the best intentions).
But it is undoubted that much of what Goodes cops goes well beyond that, and that is what needs to be stamped out. I just don’t think banning booing is the answer, as it was around long before this particular incident happened.
I’ll bet a lot of the Carlton fans who booed Goodes after that initial spear throwing dance did so in the spirit of the game. He razed them, they razed back. It is the (seemingly growing) number of people doing it with racial overtones, as Fitzy highlights in the article.
But banning an entire part of watching sports (which in itself is arguably unsportslike) is not the answer.
The answer, imo, is to keep on doing what people like Goodes and Fitzy is doing, and calling it when they see it. jones needs to be hung up as the blatant racist he is, and acknowledged by the powers that be at the top for just that.
If the likes of the AFL administration and the eddie mcguires of this world (who seems to be cut from the same jones clothe yet have much impact on the general supporter) don’t speak out against these commentators of divisiveness, then no amount of boo-banning will change anything.
“Lets support her please”
Calling a child the “face of racism” is not supporting her. Why didn’t the gutless mongrel didn’t call Eddie Maguire “the face of racism” and let him live with the consequences? Goodes preferred to rain down hell on a child. I wonder if he apologised to her for the two hour interrogation (without a parent present) at his instigation? Not on your life. It is not in his narcissistic nature. Even if just for the sake of his own reputation Goodes should do something to show his support.
Any administrator who encourages Goodes to goad the crowd is responsible for what ensues, and some of that will be pretty ugly. Goodes has to decide if he is going to be a force for unity or a provocateur in a race war.
“….calling an Indigenous man a “black c—” is not racist, that telling a man to “go back to the zoo” is not racist, that calling him an “ape” is not racist – most especially if the girl who called him that is only 13 years old….”
Didn’t Eddie Maguire suggest that Goodes should also do a review of the stage show King Kong ?
“Black Cunt “, “Ape”, “Review of King Kong” , “Go Back to the Zoo”…………
………..I have no idea what Goodes is so upset about .
Goodes preferred to rain down hell on a child.
wow, this is “raining hell”? 😯
“Racism had a face … and it was a 13-year-old girl – but it’s not her fault”
I wonder if he apologised to her for the two hour interrogation
As has been pointed out, that wasn’t him, it was the dumb ass cops (or security)
Goodes has to decide if he is going to be a force for unity or a provocateur in a race war.
I think you meant “jones etal have to decide if they are going to be a force for unity or a provocateur in a race war.”
Didn’t Eddie Maguire suggest
Yes, and he has been a party of many more racist escapades besides. He is part of the problem, when he could be part of the solution.
Glad I’m not in this crowd…………………
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=haka%20war%20dance&qs=n&form=QBVR&scope=video&pq=haka%20war%20dance&sc=1-14&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=DD1B05FE432324D581A1DD1B05FE432324D581A1
Goode’s actions have inflicted disproportionate shame and pain on an underprivileged child who did not even understand the full import of what she said. Meanwhile Goodes is at liberty to enjoy his wealth, fame and privileged status however he pleases including, it seems, by provoking sports fans.
It is Goodes and especially his arsehole supporters who, by calling out as racist people who are patently not racist, are making this whole saga into something much more vitriolic than it needs to be.
Goode’s actions have inflicted disproportionate shame and pain on an underprivileged child
I think you meant to say “an underprivileged child’s actions have inflicted disproportionate shame and pain on an underprivileged child”
by calling out as racist people who are patently not racist
ROFL. “Oops, I didn’t mean to call you an Ape”
She can plead ignorance all she likes, but nobody is that stupid to truly believe it.
“I think you meant to say “an underprivileged child’s actions have inflicted disproportionate shame and pain on an underprivileged child”
No. I didn’t mean that at all. I’m not an arsehole troll like you. Bash the child and praise the privileged narcissist.
Bash the child and praise the privileged narcissist.
Who’s “bashing the child”?
Pointing out racist attitudes is now “bashing” is it ffs
You keep calling Goodes “privileged” like you have no idea what the word is, and without showing us how he is, even though you have been asked to.
I guess a truly “privileged” person can just keep on spouting bullshit without ever having to explain themselves, unlike Goodes, who clearly highlighted where “the face of racism” has now sunk to, and clearly did not lay the blame for that on the child.
“I guess a truly “privileged” person can just keep on spouting bullshit “
Indeed you do!
“She’d only turned 13 five days beforehand. She was technically still 12. She had no idea what she was saying.”.
The Girl’s mother………….Yikes !
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/mother-of-teen-who-sledged-adam-goodes-says-fans-should-not-boo-but-still-wants-an-apology-20150729-gimqms.html#ixzz3hKcDMnUh
Goodes is an elite athlete, earns a a lot of money and has ahd the privilege of being Australian of The Year.
The person in this saga who is underprivileged is the child.
Gutless Goodes could have called out Eddie Maguire as the face of racism but he preferred to put that label on a child who had no means of fighting back.
The child needed to learn a lesson. 13 yo kids should know about racism, if her parents aren’t responsible enough to do so, it leaves the community to tell her that her racist opinions are not acceptable, especially at a community event.
So, once again, white privilege is all important. An ‘under privileged’ [we know that how?] 13 yo white girl, trumps any offence caused to indigenous people by racist insults. That’s so arse about and takes some white superiority to come to that conclusion.
“That’s so arse about and takes some white superiority to come to that conclusion.”
Precisely the problem with your idiot racist comment. Call the cops, drag a child into a room for a two hour interrogation without adult support. That’s white privilege for you right there, isn’t it? Or maybe it is just the way leftist re-education plays out.
“[we know that how?] “
And you questioned that why? Ah yes it doesn’t fit into your victim-pimping narrative – apparently you can only have one victim and one oppressor in the victimist view of the world. So in this case, the wealthy elite sports star is the victim and the child living with her single mother supported by a disability pension is the oppressor????
The child needed to learn a lesson. 13 yo kids should know about racism, if her parents aren’t responsible enough to do so, it leaves the community to tell her that her racist opinions are not acceptable, especially at a community event.
Yes … she needed to be taught … but NOT in the way it was done both in public by Goodes and later in private by cops/security guards – alone, frightened, a little girl with grown men in uniform and unable to leave … in fact I’m surprised no-one was charged with deprivation of liberty and/or kidnapping, assault and child molestation! … I wonder why?
And just who are the “community” to harass a child in public?
I’m not convinced the booing is racist so much as sending a smart arse footballer a message … and the current situation has lost the plot … on BOTH sides …
Racism in football rarely raises its ugly head … and then only by a few dickheads … fans support teams and have their favourites and villains … but Goodes just seems to have milked his privileged position (I agree with sb, on this) to make a point and its backfired on him because of his own actions …
Be proud by all means but this guy really comes across as intensely aggressive … the child incident, the spearchukking … he’s really not helping his ’cause (if he has one) …
1. Some people (allegedly) boo Goodes because he stages for frees.
2. Others because they didn’t like his actions towards the 13yo girl.
3. Many boo because he’s an uppity black guy who makes people uncomfortable with his anti-racist comments.
It is time to isolate group 3. They are racists.
Goodes many not have exercised perfect judgement on all occasions, but he has been articulate and intelligently identified issues that concern indigenous people.
To criticise him because he is “privileged” is ignoring the fact that he’s a particularly talented footballer who has legitimately used this status to promote issues that concern him.
Good on him for that.
…I mean we had Geoffrey Rush and Barry Humphries using their status and celebrity to save a suburban railway station/dated infrastructure that could no longer cope with the volume!
Sensational work, what heroes.
But Goodes is hated because he speaks out against racism. Figure that out.
I cannot get over the balls of this girls mother, the one really responsible for the racist attitude the girl exhibited, calling on Goode to apologise to her. Talk about arse about.
The mother is the one who should apologise to both Goodes and the girl
“I do think people shouldn’t boo him at the football, they should be trying to encourage him to be a better person than what he is,” Joanne said of the former Australian of the Year.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/mother-of-teen-who-sledged-adam-goodes-says-fans-should-not-boo-but-still-wants-an-apology-20150729-gimqms.html#ixzz3hKps9Cje
Someone should encourage her be a better parent.
Goodes should apologise!
Fuck, are these people for real?
Good es is playing a footy game, hears himself being called an ape and points it out. Everything else was out of his hands. Isn’t there supposed to be a rule against racial vilification?
That mother is contemptible.
“I cannot get over the balls of this girls mother, the one really responsible for the racist attitude the girl exhibited,……”
Well she did say this………………
“She’d only turned 13 five days beforehand. She was technically still 12. She had no idea what she was saying.”.
And in this era of political correctness I think the excuse that she was 13 and didn’t know that calling an aboriginal an ape is just plain fucking bullshit.
I grew up when Italians and Greeks were commonly called wogs or dagos…………….
I certainly knew it was racist.
“But Goodes is hated because he speaks out against racism. Figure that out.”
Reminds me of the old saying…………..
If you are standing with a group of rock throwers you probably have no idea how much it hurts when one of the rocks hits its target
Anyway………off to lunch again to collect some revenue
3. Many boo because he’s an uppity black guy who makes people uncomfortable with his anti-racist comments.
Maybe he’s just an “uppity footballer” fans are fed up with?
Isn’t there supposed to be a rule against racial vilification?
This was a child, KL … anyone did that to my 14 yo and I would have been livid … and they would have had a law suit to deal with …
The best PR that Goodes could have is a photo shoot with the girl … if the mother allowed it …
I think your missing the sense of fair play BOTH ways … “ahh, ya big ape” is a call oft heard at football games … and aimed at ALL colours …
As for the booing – it is now out of all proportion … but continuing the “everyone’s a racist” argument is too …
Maybe he’s just an “uppity footballer” fans are fed up with?
If that was the case, the booing wouldn’t be littered with so many proven examples of racial vilification
I recall when wayne carey was booed. Those booing sessions were littered with people disparaging his sexual promiscuity. They gave an indication of the sentiment, and he had earned that.
Nobody “earns” racial vilification.
If that was the case, the booing wouldn’t be littered with so many proven examples of racial vilification
Have you ever seen what happens when the NSW rugby league team turns up at Lang park?
Have you ever seen what happens when the NSW rugby league team turns up at Lang park?
What, they get racially vilified?
“…If that was the case, the booing wouldn’t be littered with so many proven examples of racial vilification…”
And it wouldn’t have started only recently and continued to become an orchestrated campaign of hate.
The orchestrated campaign of hate is coming, in part from Goode’s supporters. The sensible thing to do is to have Goodes stop provoking the crowd and have the clubs deal with any racist incidents that do occur. Goodes will have to toughen up and put up with being booed. You can’t ban booing and not all of it or even a majority of it is racist.
This can, or at least could have been, a story of redemption. Goodes could have welcomed the apology, protested the police action on her behalf and express some regret that it came about as a result of his complaint. They could have had a meeting for the cameras to publicise the issue of racism, emphasise the fact that ‘ordinary people’ say racially offensive things and encourage better behaviour.
It would be ludicrous to ask an aboriginal man to apologise to the person who racially vilified him. It is him who deserves the apology and the all should have dealt with this much sooner.
He is the one who has been wronged, stop justifying and excusing racism.
Oh My Dog………..I think Miranda Devine has taken possession of Splatter’s body
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/only-adam-goodes-can-stop-the-booing/story-fnpug1jf-1227460775525
Next time Goodes plays in Melbourne, I think I’ll go and find someone that is booing him. I’ll sit near than and point out their error.
We’ll see who the police evict.
Nobody “earns” racial vilification.
You’re still assuming its racist …
Have you ever seen what happens when the NSW rugby league team turns up at Lang park?
Or Queensland in Sydney?
It is him who deserves the apology …
As I understand it he got one … but there was no gracious acceptance … “Let’s support her, please?” … is not particularly giving …
I just feel a bit sad that this malarkey has probably done the First People more harm than good … and its certainly not a good look for all of us internationally …
What, they get racially vilified?
The point is that football crowds boo … get Paul Gallen is booed all the time by QLD and for good reason – he’s a thug … and white … very white!
You’re still assuming its racist …
Then how do you explain this
If that was the case, the booing wouldn’t be littered with so many proven examples of racial vilification
“I’ll sit near than and point out their error.”
Make sure its not a St Kilda game
You might get evicted in an ambulance
“…The point is that football crowds boo … get Paul Gallen is booed all the time by QL…”
This all started up recently, after he got vilified. The people who are booing now are either racists or supporting racial vilification
Goodes handled it all as well as he should, maybe better considering he tried to soften it for the girl.
Now they are hounding him out of the game that he has given way more to than they ever will.
Beaten by racist australia.
I lived in Sydney for many years and used to go to a few Swans games. It is a different crowd there.
Lots of tourists, seeing a different game for the first time. Lots of families, the types that think league is a bit grubby.
This creates quite a different and probably nicer/friendlier crowd to those in Victoria, WA and SA.
Games against Adelaide were the most interesting, busloads of tattooed drunks would arrive, having spent 20 hours on the bus to come directly to the game. Local Swans supporters looked quite shocked.
Collingwood supporters wouldn’t go to the game directly from Melbourne, they’d get off the bus in the Cross and from there go to the game pissed and without sleep.
These are the types that would join in the booing of Goodes.
As I originally said … I don’t follow aerial ping-pong … in fact all the Aboriginal people who play for NRL are treated like anyone else in the game – superstars …
If that was the case, the booing wouldn’t be littered with so many proven examples of racial vilification
Sorry, I don’t know what proven examples you mean …
Similar to soccer hooligan behaviour, do you think tom?
Deliberate and planned, designed to humiliate goodes for no reason except malice and racism. Perhaps they are coming to events especially to target goodes, it’s now an organised harassment and bullying campaign by racists.
John-W was correct. You just can`t go around saying `sorry` to fauna willy-nilly or else they will start using `indigenous-programs` to demand brownlow-medals, getting all uppity and outspoken, terrorizing imbeciles with `imaginary`-spears, and forcing bigots to use 13-year old girls as human-shields. Quick! Bring back the `flora`n`fauna` act.
devine-limited-news”””Goodes was hailed a hero for ”calling out” racism, and made Australian of the Year where he kept telling Australians they are racist. This is the root of the crowd antipathy to Goodes. It has nothing to do with the colour of his skin. It comes down to his ”dobbing and sooking” after a little girl called him a rude name, as former player Karl Langdon put it this week. Short of banning the fans, there`s not much the AFL can do about this vicious cycle, other than to counsel Goodes to remake his image.””””via-blubbers
#it is no surprise devine and limited-news prefers to go the `victim-blaming` and `victim-swapping` route, playing to their simple and easily frightened viewers.
#if goodes does quit under the `sooking` theory, then we should expect limited-news and devine to give full mast-head support to goodes as the next `treasurer`
Sorry, I don’t know what proven examples you mean …
These were the tip
….calling an Indigenous man a “black c—” is not racist, that telling a man to “go back to the zoo” is not racist, that calling him an “ape” is not racist
And then there is this comment from ……….. fckn impossible to tell cos blatherer supplied it
Short of banning the fans, there`s not much the AFL can do about this vicious cycle
BULLSHIT
There is plenty the AFL can do
Telling mcguire and his toadies to fuck off would be a start.
reportland is reaching new lows, they have blot on peddling the limited-news clap-trap on goodes, grab the transcript tomorrow
Bob Murphy: Booing directed at Adam Goodes makes me hang my head in despair
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bob-murphy-booing-directed-at-adam-goodes-makes-me-hang-my-head-in-despair-20150730-ginnob.html#ixzz3hNHN1Rbu
…Every time I’ve heard the boos of this mob I’ve hung my head in despair, chin to chest. I suspect it’s been the same for some players at every club in the AFL. There is no training or armour for those kinds of hits to the soul…
unions against racism
…First, the current case of Adam Goodes. While sundry racists and ratbags vilify the Sydney Swans player and former Australian of the Year (no less), the Prime Minister has been silent. That silence is a failure of national leadership on a question of fundamental importance to social cohesion and the specific place of the first Australians. Fairness for Goodes and the community he represents has gone unremarked in Canberra…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-loyalty-to-bronwyn-bishop-invites-calamity-20150730-gini0t.html#ixzz3hNjZQev3
In the beginning of this, the anthropocene era
Life was pristine, resonating impact …the instigator’s arrival
Densely populating smashing biodiversity
Altered climate accelerating exacerbated by our human activities
We used it up, we wore it out, we made it do what we could have done without
Machines to make machines fabricating the end of all living things
Sacrificing all morality, the ends never justify the means
Technology defines the ages – our human history burns its own pages
Under the sun and in the light of day we throw this all away
Instinctual devotion to annihilation
Eradication, mass predation – manufactured extinction
The powers that be are you and me
These enemies of inconvenience = undertakers
Entire species erased
Millions of acres defaced
Nonrenewable
Fuck this flesh
Curating distress
Composing our dirge
True nature emerged
Under the sun and in plain sight a tragedy has been designed by hands of cultures intertwined in greed and cruel ways of life
SOCIOPATHIC
PERVASIVE
DEMOGRAPHIC
So, should Labor kick up a big hissy fit about having a convicted racist on an abc news show?
Very deep and profound toilet!
Bolt gets it wrong on indigenous issues so often. He seems to deliberately misunderstand the sense of injustice and dispossession. His points are so predictable, it’s pathetic..
Bolt gets it wrong on indigenous issues so often.
It’s probably better to ask, when has he got it right.
I saw a spin of this issue on todaytonight last night, and they also made the whole argument about booing. It’s a bullshit argument, and distracts from the point. Which they successfully did.
I emailed the Sydney Swans yesterday to express support for Goodes. I’d imagine there were thousands of people doing the same thing.
I hope Goodes gets some comfort from the fact that most people admire him.
I don’t imagine any of the booers have emailed to articulate why they boo-
• They’re too stupid to express their opinion
• As individuals, they are probably (hopefully and by now) ashamed of their actions
Is yabot has finally come out from under his rock to offer his wordly insight with wtte ” the last thing we want is anything at all that smacks of racism. ”
You know, like his team who attend reclaim Australia rallies???
Wasn’t it his mob who so recently argued that it should be legal to be a bigot?
I also note that, in order to try and shut down debate on the China give away jobs deal , any argument against it is somehow “racist”
How low can they sink?
Boo-hoo, poor little Princess Goodes is so special no one is allowed to boo. For any reason.
The stupid fucker wants to be able to roil up the crowd but they are not allowed to respond. He really does need a good kick up the arse.
Perhaps this chant should be revived for Adam:
“Wasn’t it his mob who so recently argued that it should be legal to be a bigot?”
Most recently that was a bunch of leftist twats arguing for Q&A’s right to give a platform to a bigot.
Perhaps this chant should be revived for Adam:
Would be far less racist, I’ll admit.
And that there highlights the problem. Goodes has been booed for years, because he is a good player who kicks goals against the home team, in the same way many great footballers have been booed.
He is now being booed not because he is kicking goals, but because of his race.
Try and work out the difference
I don’t get the picture of Bolt interviewing the Labor advisor
“He is now being booed not because he is kicking goals, but because of his race.”
And your proof that no one is booing him for other than racist reasons is ….?
“How low can they sink?”
Has Shorten said anything?
Just askin’ …
Try and work out the difference
The point made on The Weekly last night …
Most recently that was a bunch of leftist twats arguing for Q&A’s right to give a platform to a bigot.
No, I recall some people wondering why and ex con isn’t allowed to ask questions. Which gets highlighted a few weeks later when they get a convicted racist on to try and explain why something isn’t racist ROFL
Has Shorten said anything?
Yes,but of course, the reportage is limited
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/shortens_attacks_free_trade_deal/
People say they boo Goodes because-
• He stages for frees (but he’s been paid almost none this season). Therefore it’s an just an excuse to boo him and we can assume another reason.
• He pointed to a girl who called him an ape. So they boo him for objecting to racism (ie the booing is racially based)
• He made comments in his Australian of the Year speech. So they boo him for pointing out some uncomfortable facts about our history (ie the booing is racially based)
• They boo him because he struts (go and boo Franklin and Selwood then). This is a racially based excuse for objecting to an uppity black guy.
Goodes has 2 Brownlows, 2 premierships, and is an articulate, thoughtful and intelligent leader in the indigenous community.
No wonder so many people hate him.
TR, your link is about the FTA … not Goodes … found this … Shorten wasn’t really any “quicker” than The Mad Abbott …
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/07/30/cut-out-mob-taunting-goodes-shorten
Lot of personal prejudice showing, ToM …
Been a lot of booing over the decades of footballers mostly for being dickheads …
In fact making this a racist issue is doing more harm than Goodes … (sorry it was inevitable … any comments here won’t change anything)
TR, your link is about the FTA … not Goodes
Sorry TB, I thought that was what you were referring to.
A comment from an actual “articulate, thoughtful and intelligent leader in the indigenous community.”
articulate, thoughtful and intelligent leader in the indigenous community.
He may be two of those things, but intelligence isn’t one.
The girl was made a pariah, and Eddie was hailed a friend to black guys everywhere…until of course, he made the same fundamental human error that the 13 year old girl had made herself.
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html
Sorry, but calling someone a racist epithet isn’t a “human error”, it’s a human failure.
“Sorry, but calling someone a racist epithet isn’t a “human error”, it’s a human failure.”
Don’t be sorry, you are just a one-eyed judgmental troll. It is all black and white to you (literally), isn’t it?
“This whole Adam Goodes drama is ridiculous. The public can boo or chant whoever’s name they want ! It’s nothing to do with being racist….”
-Shane Warne
When Warnie weighs into the argument with his opinion that does it for me…………………….So it is about race
As I said, I was uncomfortable with Goodes pointing to the 13yo girl. But she reflected an ugly opinion so she’s learned a difficult lesson.
But now the booing of Goodes represents an attitude that goes well beyond that incident.
Bigots are now using it to cloak their racist attitudes. It is disgraceful.
Next we’ll get some white superemisists turning up to the footy to give some moral and physical support to the mindless booing.crowd.
I like Warnie for his womanising , drinking and bowling.
But I wouldn’t pay much attention to his observations about society.
“Next we’ll get some white superemisists turning up to the footy to give some moral and physical support to the mindless booing.crowd.”
Are you behind this, ToM? 🙂
That sounds like a good idea SB. But my approach is probably a little more confrontational than egg throwing!
When Warnie weighs into the argument
Warnies just a Cricketer of Un-Natural Talent.
you are just a one-eyed judgmental troll.
He says in his most one-yed judgemental manner ROFL
So I guess you are still of the school that bigots should be allowed to be bigots, because bigotry is just a “fundamental human error”
People do have the right to be bigots, and non bigots have the right to call them bigots.
For the Goodes supporters this is a one word discussion – “Raaaaaacist!” There is no way to have a rational discussion with folks like that.
There is no way to have a rational discussion with folks like that.
Yea … right.
” you are just a one-eyed judgmental troll.” ROFL
Tom R here is your comment: “Sorry, but calling someone a racist epithet isn’t a “human error”, it’s a human failure.”
Calling someone a racist epithet may have a number of possible explanations, from the relatively innocuous to the utterly vile. You can’t see that, apparently. Which is why you are a one-eyed …..
lol, loved the opening of that article reb
People don’t like being called racist, least of all racists.
It reminded me of someone
may have a number of possible explanations
Please, elaborate. Just what “innocuous ” reason could someone have for saying “you black c***t”?
Tom R, you black cunt, racist epithets may be motivated by a desire to push an already troubled person over the brink, to humiliate and belittle a person, to make the speaker feel somehow superior or they may be used by a child who doesn’t fully appreciate their significance or as an attempt at jest with no real animus at all.
Further, there is a whole range of epithets – black cunt is fairly clear whereas some others are dubious, not widely known or understood, or, when it comes to micro-aggressions, barely detectable by anyone but a trained victim-pimp.
Some of my best friends are black cunts.
black cunt is fairly clear
As is “ape” and “back to the zoo”
They are not directed to anybody but people of specific races.
And it is clearly motivated by a desire to push a person over the brink. And yes, this would make anyone troubled. And no, that is not “innocuous”
Even cricket, where sledging has (unfortunately) become a part of the game designed to put people of would not stand for that level of very not “innocuous ” slander
a trained victim-pimp.
That seems to have become your stock in trade. Poor victimised racists 😦
I must say I do feel all rather dirty and rancid being on the same side as TomR for once.
Anyways have a good weekend alls as I’m leaving now with the lads on a 60 foot yacht …………
People do have the right to be bigots, and non bigots have the right to call them bigots
I agree, ToM … unions BOO!
People don’t like being called racist, least of all racists.
It’s a bit like the old … when did you stop beating your wife … hey?
😆 😆
As is “ape” and “back to the zoo”
Well I for one didn’t know that “ape” was a racist term aimed at blackfellas …
So, many years ago, when people called me a Pommie bastard were they insulting me?!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wally seems to be spending more and more time at sea … regression, perhaps?
It’s a bit like the old …
Not. not in the slightest.
It’s a bit like the old …
Not. not in the slightest.
Yes it is … read right through this thread and you’ll find that you assume that anyone who disagrees with your perception (’cause that’s what it is) is a racist … just as the old statement about beating assumes that you beat your wife …
And I can assure you that I disagree with some of the statements above and I’m not a racist …
Just to highlight that … when I first started commenting back in 2005 and met sreb and joni online I realised that I really was a homophobe … and consequently my behaviour and attitude was (thankfully) properly re-arranged …
I can assure you that I am not a racist (hard to prove tho’, hey?) … and that’s based upon the places I’ve lived, the friends I have had/have and people I’ve worked with around the world … based upon my own experiences of course …
In my eyes people are either good or Dickheads™ … simple as that …
sb, The Black Steam Train is now in my favourites! Thanks!
Adam Goodes and racism: A PM’s statesmanship is left behind by premiers and a casino boss
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/adam-goodes-and-racism-a-pms-statesmanship-is-left-behind-by-premiers-and-a-casino-boss-20150731-gior3m.html#ixzz3hTE2ynEW
“Very deep and profound toilet!”
All credit to Travis Ryan.
FACT: “Goodes has 2 Brownlows, 2 premierships, and is an articulate, thoughtful and intelligent leader in the indigenous community. ”
But you can’t call everyone who boos him racist; also fact.
“A comment from an actual “articulate, thoughtful and intelligent leader in the indigenous community.”
Promulgated at the BoltBlog…coincidental, I’m sure!
“When Warnie weighs into the argument with his opinion that does it for me…………………….So it is about race”
I’ve been telling y’all for many a long year that Warne is an ockertard fuckwit of the supreme echelon!…YomM is the only one that got it (I recognised his parody)….
On that note…Go England!
*guffaw
This…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_Decapitation#Band_members…Travis Ryan…
Not this…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Ryan_(musician)…haha
Didn’t even know about the second fuckwit until I googled Trav Ryan…
I have had many beers with the former…
on network-10, the project, waleed aly shot to shit the not-a-racist argument using blot`s reportland clip, comparing the racist-but-not-racist argument against goodes `actual` statements
#the racist-but-not-racists lost, waleed proved it, find the clip online (if-possible)
#yes they are racist
the nitv/sbs stan grant and goodes interview shows goodes IS thoughtful, intelligent, disciplined, and ARTICULATE, which frightens the fcuk out of the not-a-racist racist-industry, and the power-racists within teabag-media including a `convicted-racist-not-a-racist` and a `homosexual-hypocrite-not-a-racist` that both agitate their audience-cranks for their `ratings` benefit
I watched that goodes interview on SBS last night. I saw an intelligent, thoughtful, articulate and strong aboriginal man. A wonderful role model for his people. To try and defeat and demean what he is doing is reprehensible. I wish our PM could be such a man, such a well intentioned leader, sadly Abbott is made smaller by comparison.
But you can’t call everyone who boos him racist; also fact.
From this point, given all the publicity, it is fair to assume anyone that now boos Goodes is a racist.
read right through this thread and you’ll find that you assume that anyone who disagrees with your perception (’cause that’s what it is) is a racist …
Read closer TB
I have disagreed with both toilet and you, and don’t consider either of you to be racist.
I also specifically pointed out that I don’t consider all booing, even of Goodes, to be racially motivated. Just that, recently, the largest portion of it is.
It’s sadly funny that Andrew Bolt condemns the “whole racism industry” when he contributes so much to it.
Perhaps he thinks that they aren’t going far enough?
Maybe us non-racist whitefellas get fed up of being lumped with “everyone white, middle aged and male” must be a racist (for some reason) …
Although I’m not middle aged (that according to system before Centrlink – the Commonwealth Employment Service was when I turned 35!!!)
ao””articulate and strong aboriginal man. A wonderful role model for his people.””
#agree, and the way he dealt with the `ape`girl, he is `actually` a great role model for `all` as far as l`m concerned
ao””To try and defeat and demean what he is doing is reprehensible. I wish our PM could be such a man, such a well intentioned leader, sadly Abbott is made smaller by comparison.””
#mr-rabbit had laid-low over the goodes topic, until just recently, did you notice, mr-rabbit has now jumped on the `pro`goodes bandwagon, l don`t know how long an impoverished critter like mr-rabbit will be able keep it up tho
You may be beginning to understand some of the feeling Goodes was feeling then TB
And I agree, it is the actions of a few (or many, as it appears to be now) that ruin for everyone.
“…#mr-rabbit had laid-low over the goodes topic, until just recently, did you notice, mr-rabbit has now jumped on the `pro`goodes bandwagon,…”
I don’t think he has teabag, Abbott is straddling the line and making bland motherhood statements. Desperately trying not to say the racism word for fear of offending his core constituency and his racist megaphones (bolt, Jones, IPA ‘freedom to be racist/bigots’
He knows what the libs stand for and it ain’t racial harmony or aboriginal rights.
We feud over Adam Goodes because our big questions remain unanswered.
“…So, the spear-throwing gesture is an entirely appropriate metaphor that, as O’Loughlin points out, focuses on the ongoing struggle for the attainment of economic and social equality, while reinforcing the need for broader cultural and political acknowledgement of past injustice.
It has nothing to do with self-identifying victimhood (reactionary assertions that Goodes is somehow responsible for the racism he has inspired are akin to saying victims of certain types of assault have themselves to blame) and everything to do with the proud assertion of a desire for honest conciliation…”
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/postcolonial-blog/2015/jul/31/we-feud-over-adam-goodes-because-our-big-questions-remain-unanswered
You may be beginning to understand some of the feeling Goodes was feeling then TB
ya reckon? … I turned up here in 1961 – my parents were ten quid poms …
I lived in PNG for 12 months …
I developed and wrote the Nat Recognised Advanced Diploma in Performing Arts for the Aboriginal Arts Centre in Brisbane … and set them up as an RTO …
Worked with Rio Tinto in Weipa and still have contact with people from two communities there … including a whitefella married to a lovely Aboriginal lady …
Probably why I think Goodes’ approach (and his misdirected supporters) may have fired up the debate short term but buggered up a lot of work in the long term …
… I understand what Goodes’ may be feeling … I know what its like to be isolated and different …
… but I suspect some of his community may not be as happy as you are with the eventual outcome …
… I know what its like to be isolated and different …
my parents were ten quid poms …
I’m just mulling that over for a bit there TB 😯
“… but I suspect some of his community may not be as happy as you are with the eventual outcome…”
I think he will have support from all aboriginal communities throughout australia. I’m half expecting a strong push back response.
I don’t think ten quid poms are likely to have the sense of dispossession or isolation or marginalisation that indigenous people have experienced.
I don’t think ten quid poms are likely to have the sense of dispossession or isolation or marginalisation that indigenous people have experienced.
Neither do I … certainly not to the same extent … but not all Aboriginals do either … but you know of course …
I guess I should explain that we had no family in Australia … they were 20,000 km away … I never saw my grandparents again (I was 12) … and I was 50 when I had the funds and time to return … so I guess I understand isolation and loneliness … or the feeling at least …
… as for dispossession – imagine the frustration/anger/despair I felt when I was called up … and I could do nothing about it! Or go to jail … and the irony within this discussion is that one of my training platoon mates was an Aboriginal … he had volunteered …
So having discussed these issues with First People around a campfire with a few beers … I like to think I have an understanding …
I don’t think ten quid poms are likely to have the sense of dispossession or isolation or marginalisation that indigenous people have experienced.
So … how do you know all about theses “feelings” and I don’t?
So … how do you know all about theses “feelings” and I don’t?
Well, probably two things TB. I think most people here have read and tried to understand your feelings, particularly about your time with the army.
And no matter how “dispossessed” you feel, I don’t see how they can come close to the same feeling Aboriginals would be feeling about their dispossession from their own lands and the daily racism they face in almost all aspects of their lives.
Not that your feeling is not a strong or intense, but it has different origins.
And for those who argue that a Boo is just a Boo, the evolution of the racist “Boo”
https://storify.com/kc_ramplin/a-brief-history-of-the-booing-of-adam-goodes?utm_content=storify
It would be sad though if Boos were banned. But, that is what the extreme and unsavoury sections of society do, they ruin it for everyone.
But, that is what the extreme and unsavoury sections of society do, they ruin it for everyone.
… unfortunately there are “extreme and unsavoury sections of society” on both sides of this issue … and, come to think of it, just who initially decided the booing was racist?
It doesn’t really matter I suppose the groundswell has taken on a life of its own … classic groupthink …
It’s lacked objectivity from the very beginning … recognising that racism is personal and emotional …
Not that your feeling is not a strong or intense, but it has different origins.
Well fuck me – does it?!!
on both sides of this issue
I’ve missed those “unsavoury sections” from one side. Perhaps you can point them out for me?
just who initially decided the booing was racist?
I’m just guessing, but the very first person to recognize it was probably in the vicinity of those booing and then screaming “ya black c***t”
Well fuck me
I’m certainly not ageist TB, but perhaps a drink first 😉
Well TB, I imagine you chose to migrate here. That means you were committed to the decision. Your separation from your family, even if difficult, was an outcome of your personal decision.
You had the choice, and good for you for making your decision work, and it’s great that you overcame all the hardship.
Aboriginal people didn’t exercise those choices, they didn’t have any option. They were simply disposed and isolated. Shunned by mainstream society in their own land.
I think it’s fair to say their circumstances are quite different.
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I’m now off for a nice meal and a bottle of 2002 RWT!
Well TB, I imagine you chose to migrate here.
erm at 12 … you’re joking! You must have had a lot of control over your parents as a kid!
In fact I was dragged kicking and screaming here … and fell in love with the place when I discovered I could go to school barefoot!
But this isn’t about me … I was just trying to highlight that I had some understanding of being isolated and disposed albeit under different circumstances (naturally) – y’know empathy … in fact you and TR have become quite patronising in the last couple of posts …
And we just seem to be going around in circles … the booing is a natural phenomenon of football (and other sports) and has been for decades … the “Goodes Effect” may have incited racists under its cover but I still believe it has many reasons … not just racism but now highjacked by anyone trying to make the racism point …
So its now become a case of, your either with us, or against us … that’s not intelligent debate that’s emotional blackmail …
And I for one don’t like being manipulated …
I’m now off for a nice meal and a bottle of 2002 RWT!
Enjoy! WCP! 😉
Homemade ravioli for me … after my WT & soda …
ao”””’straddling the line and making bland motherhood statements. Desperately trying not to say the racism word for fear of offending his core constituency and his racist megaphones”””’
#fair point armchair, sounds much more like mr-rabbits modus operandi, (l only heard the clip from next room) particularly keeping in goose-step with the racist megaphones
I find the ageist remarks made towards TB to be shallow & cheap.
But he is an adult & quite capable of vehement retorts!
I find the ageist remarks made towards TB to be shallow & cheap.
Thank you toilet. I’am glad that somebody saw it for what it was.
I have lodged a formal complaint with the Australian Press Council about Andrew Bolt’s blog post today
Oh noes, the convicted racist is going to get in trouble again, yea a slap on the wrist, and he;ll be claiming the same thing in his blog next week. Will 7.30 get him on again soon to deliberate on accuracy in reporting I wonder?
Hypocritical wankers!
But he is an adult & quite capable of vehement retorts!
And I don’t react angrily if I get an ageist remark* from a 13 year old stranger either … I may tell them I don’t like it but no angry pointing or shouting I can assure you …
“-ist” remarks are often subtle and unintended … as I said, until this saga began I had no idea that “ape” was a derogatory term aimed at blackfellas … and when I consider all the Aboriginal players in NRL clubs … I can’t recall anything like this … ever …
* I have reacted, here at TGT, at some remarks but they were meant to poke and prod deliberately and not at all “amusing” and the person(s) commenting knew better …
And I can lay on the insults with the best of ’em here … 😈
But then I’m just an old fart … 😉
“…I may tell them I don’t like it but no angry pointing or shouting I can assure you …”
But you’re not on a footy field TB and that is the appropriate response for a player being racially vilified! Ignorance is no excuse either. Ape, monkey, rock ape, have long been racial abuse directed at aborigines. Besides it doesn’t matter if you’ve not heard it, it’s not affecting you is it. Perhaps you don’t hear or recognise it for an insult.
What I mean is just because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Was rushing thru that comment over lunch at work and didn’t really mean it to sound so critical. Sorry. Maybe you have little contact with aboriginals, especially ones living a more traditional lifestyle where a lot of whites consider them to be unevolved and lacking intelligence, lazy and uncivilised.
But you’re not on a footy field TB and that is the appropriate response for a player being racially vilified!
No I wasn’t on a footy field but I used to play soccer and it was always a definite no-no to engage with anyone on the sideline …
… “appropriate response” … ? … most players generally turn off from the sideline insults … and some of them can be pretty awful …
Look, I don’t know Goodes, only the bit that I’ve seen on the news and heard on the radio and comments here … and elsewhere …
But people say he’s a very intelligent, sensible, nice bloke.
On national TV that certainly did not come across …
As a professional footballer he knows those cameras are always turned on and running.
And he would know being a “star” that they were on him … and also know that there would be an opportunity to say a few words after the game …
Wouldn’t it have had more impact if he had said on camera, in interview mode, or press conference, that he had been disappointed that someone in the crowd had referred to him as an ape and he felt deeply insulted over the comment that he felt was racist …
Ignorance is no excuse? Yes it is … especially for a 13 yo … and I have heard the terms you mention but they have been aimed at all races all my life … like knuckle dragger … and grunts … its only now that ape is a racial slur … but that’s in the eye of the beholder I agree … (ask any one who served in infantry, the mines and or workshops) … the number of times I have had a go at people using the term AJs is very high … insulting to highly trained, skilful and intelligent people …
BTW, “racially vilified!” … as I said earlier, emotions are running high …
I know its a discussion that has no end …
As far as I can tell … I’m not a racist – you’re not a racist …
I guess my concern is that all the brouhaha will solidify the thoughts of those who ARE racist …
I think it’s better to have it out in the open and a national debate where aboriginal views are heard rather than silenced. It’s good people are talking and not leaving the opinion to bolt and Jones who will try to further inflame and denigrate.
My personal hero, A ‘consumed with rage’ Patrick Dodson says get serious and put racial discrimination in the constitution.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/recognise-dodson-in-push-to-ban-racial-discrimination-in-constitution/story-fn9hm1pm-1227466539572
Was rushing thru that comment over lunch at work and didn’t really mean it to sound so critical. Sorry.
How long have we been commenting, KL … I know your passions by now … won’t accept your apology … not needed … 😉
… thanks tho’ … 🙂
Wish others were as gracious sometimes …
ao””debate where aboriginal views are heard rather than silenced””
#particularly `articulate` and `intelligent`, which goodes is, when compared to other aboriginal sports successes, which unfortunately haven`t been as `articulate` like `mundine`, who don`t frighten the racists within teabag-media anywhere near as much as goodes does
ao””It`s good people are talking and not leaving the opinion to bolt and Jones who will try to further inflame and denigrate””’
#yep, fully agree, the racist megaphones are only interested in the `inflame` and `denigrate` aspect, trying to increase viewer numbers and massage their own headlines and appearances elsewhere(blot on reportland)
Great to see the Adelaide fans booing Sydney on the weekend. They stood up to the racists, and continued the long held tradition of very un-sportsmanlike behaviour of booing an ex player from their team.
Apart from that, the respect shown for Goodes was a pleasure to witness.
Meanwhile, the poor, downtrodden priviged white males continue to cry into their doms over perceived harshness.
It takes some seriously sized balls to try and run this with a straight face. Straight Jacket perhaps?
…Tony Abbott has rejected a proposal from the country’s most respected Indigenous leaders on how to proceed toward constitutional recognition, saying it could lead to “something akin to a log of claims that is unlikely to receive general support”.
The Prime Minister has dismissed the plan to achieve Indigenous consensus on a referendum question before broader community consultations because “it jars with the notion of finally substituting ‘we’ for ‘them and us'”.
His response is a bitter disappointment to the country’s Aboriginal leadership, who are set to proceed with their plan for Indigenous conventions to discuss recognition independent of government…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-scuttles-indigenous-plan-on-constitutional-recognition-20150803-giq6bs.html#ixzz3him7yQr4
Will this farce over The Firm ever end … fkn stupid people, living in Neverland typical tory nonsense and distraction … watch The Mad Abbott latch onto this BS …
http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/charles-made-honorary-head-of-nz-defence/story-e6frfkui-1227467888081
Charlie’s new command looks impressive until you realise that the NZ navy consists of two rubber duckies and Nemo.
Its the comedy of believing The Firm is something special in the 21st century …