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Bronwyn Bishop Dumped as Parliamentary Speaker!

August 2, 2015

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Controversial Parliamentary Speaker and LNP stooge Bronwyn Bishop has been dumped from her role in a shock announcement from PM Tony Abbott.

Ms Bishop is a staunch ally of Mr Abbott, with the PM once describing himself as the “political love child” of Ms Bishop and Former Prime Minister John Howard.

Speaking at a two-flag press conference on Sunday afternoon, Tony Abbott said Ms Bishop will be handing in her resignation to the Governor General.

Mr Abbott quickly moved on from the resignation announcement to focus on the expenses system in general.

“There will be fundamental review of members of parliament’s entitlements… A very wide ranging review, not just tinkering” he said.

If Ms Bishop hasn’t done anything wrong why is she resigning?

“Obviously Bronwyn Bishop is a friend of mine” he said.

He refused to drawn on questions about Ms Bishop’s resignation and simply repeated what he said earlier:

“The important thing to realise is that this isn’t about one individual.”

“I have a great deal of respect for Bronwyn Bishop… She has certainly done the right thing today” he said.

In a statement, Ms Bishop said the she had resigned out of “love and respect.”

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  1. August 2, 2015 4:55 pm

    Abbott says she’s done nothing wrong.

    “it’s the system”

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 4:59 pm

    BISHOPS RESIGNED!

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 5:00 pm

    And Abbott don’t get it!

  4. August 2, 2015 5:02 pm

    I think you mean…

    “BISHOP’S RESIGNED!”

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 5:03 pm

    A win for the people?

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 5:04 pm

    POLICE

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 5:06 pm

    The more I think about it I wish she’d sheed shed’ stayed!

    I would have liked to see all the Opposition turn up with copter blades on their heads going “tukkatukkatukkatukka” …

  8. Albert Landa permalink
    August 2, 2015 5:17 pm

    What an incredibly stupid woman.Can you imagine her moving around in Double Bay circles now.The mind boggles.Of course all her friends will get behind her.NOT!

  9. August 2, 2015 5:22 pm

    Abbott: “Good government starts tomorrow”.

  10. August 2, 2015 5:24 pm
  11. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 6:05 pm

    Abbott: “Good government starts tomorrow”.

    When was that again?

    I guess BBishop was a chronic multiple dipper then …

    Of course all her friends will get behind her.NOT!

    Welcome – Albert …

    Don’t you believe it, AL, the honey pot people stick together … no-one else will have them …

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 6:25 pm

    “Mr Abbott has blamed the system, but it was Mrs Bishop’s addiction to privilege that was the real culprit,” Mr Shorten said in a statement.

    ZINGER!

    He said the announcement of the review should not absolve Mr Abbott of publicly releasing the Finance Department’s investigation into Mrs Bishop’s alleged misuse of entitlements.

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie, who had vowed to bring about a no confidence motion in the Speaker along with Clive Palmer, said the federal police should investigate whether Mrs Bishop has committed any criminal fraud.

    He was relieved by her resignation.

    “Thank God for that. Watching this saga unfold was worse than getting your wisdom teeth out,” he said in a statement.

    He wants the review to stamp out the practice of MPs “tripping around Australia for all sorts of private reasons”.

    Tripping around Australia — try the WORLD!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/i-wont-throw-stones-at-bishop-joyce/story-e6frfku9-1227466567710

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 6:35 pm

    We really are at the beginning of the Digital Revolution … less than 300 years after the Industrial Revolution …

    IMAGINE working out a divorce without hiring a lawyer or stepping into court. A Silicon Valley company is starting to make such a possibility a reality with software that experts say represents the next wave of technology in which the law is turned into computer code that can solve legal battles without the need for a judge or a lawyer.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/company-starts-to-take-courts-online/story-e6frfkur-1227466738482

    I always wondered what would happen when robots took over menial and labour intensive tasks completely … but now it looks like white collar shiny, arses are at risk too!

    The age of robotics and AI!

    We can now do a tax return online (my first attempt didn’t work – and then I realised it was the simplicity that had buggered me … not the complexity)

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2015 6:40 pm

    Why Education & Training Should Be Free!

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/books-magazines/nicole-kidman-reveals-secret-gesture-she-made-to-struggling-young-boy-as-part-of-vogue-outback-shoot/story-fnk84xng-1227466460266

    Disclaimer: I have never been a fan of Nicole Kidman (and I’m still not) but I certainly admire her for this …

    1% of the population own 50% of the wealth …

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 6:41 pm

    If Ms Bishop hasn’t done anything wrong why is she resigning?

    Because Bishop broke the spirit of the law not the letter of the law.

    But i suspect this is normal from both sides of politics. Looks like the Coalition is judged to a higher standard which i admit is not very high.

  16. August 2, 2015 6:54 pm
  17. August 2, 2015 7:24 pm

    bronny-copter has been caught-out with `multiple`, more than `one` rorts of much higher value than slippers 800-bucks

    #Let`s see if bronny-copters `fraud` gets passed on to afp-plod by dept-finance

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 7:38 pm

    much higher value than slippers 800-bucks

    Slipper committed fraud. He altered the details of his travel to cover up what he was doing. Fraud against the Commonwealth is a criminal offense. And it was not just $800.

    According to this link he claimed travel in Australia while he was in New Zealand

    http://www.afrsmartinvestor.com.au/p/national/slipper_travel_slips_paint_busy_9U0DXhZ5jgEpxXf11c7eTJ

    By Sunday, December 12, Slipper was conducting meetings in New Zealand with a New Zealand exporter, according to his itinerary.

    While he was in New Zealand, Slipper’s travel back in Australia was apparently continuing, according to Department of Finance reconciliation records. On Sunday December 12, a Cabcharge docket for the amount of $125.00 was signed in Slipper’s name in Australia.

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 7:47 pm

    Looks like the Coalition is judged to a higher standard…

    How so?

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 7:58 pm

    How so?

    Well do you think Gillard taking a VIP jet to Byron bay so she could go to a wedding is much different? I guess a chopper is way over the top compared to a jet.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 8:02 pm

  22. August 2, 2015 8:33 pm

    willfully blind imbeciles such as ya`self always arse-fcuk themselves with their `own` claims of `economic-responsibility` of taxpayers-cash,

    teabag failures include,

    #teabag-slipper rorting 800-bucks,

    #teabag-bronny-copter rorting 5000-bucks,

    #teabags blowing million$ on courts chasing slippers 800-bucks down the rabbit-hole, instead of making slipper `re-pay` as bronny did

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 8:37 pm

    Remember when we had the libs donors funnelling $ through the libs federal funding vehicles to avoid NSW laws against donations from property developers? Remember arthur sinodinos and his get rich quick water scheming?

    Abbott blamed the system then too, according to his contorted reasoning it was the laws that were wrong, if they didn’t have those laws his party and backers would not broken them.

    Abbott has a fatal character flaw, he cannot admit any wrongdoing, his own or his party’s, just cannot own it. Never surrender, never apologise, never give a sucker an even break!

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 8:45 pm

    #teabags blowing million$ on courts chasing slippers 800-bucks down the rabbit-hole, instead of making slipper `re-pay` as bronny did

    Slipper committed fraud. He made false statements on his travel documents to cover up what he had been doing. And did you read the link i gave? He made multiple false statements.

    http://www.afrsmartinvestor.com.au/p/national/slipper_travel_slips_paint_busy_9U0DXhZ5jgEpxXf11c7eTJ

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 8:52 pm

    …Well do you think Gillard taking a VIP jet to Byron bay so she could go to a wedding is much different? I guess a chopper is way over the top compared to a jet…

    What about abbott’s book tour and numerous dubious claims, plus openly admitting to colleagues he has to create an ‘official’ event so he can claim travel allowance & fares? That’s the same as admitting to fraud and that is probably what gillard did, sandwich some meetings around the wedding event. Quite within ‘the rules’ but a deliberate manipulation to claim on the taxpayer for personal/party expenses.

    They all do it neil, that is what we’ve been saying.

    There’s no higher standard for the coalition. But I will say there’s a double standard if bronnie doesn’t have an official AFP investigation with a court appearance and fraud charges just like slipper.

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 8:56 pm

    But I will say there’s a double standard if bronnie doesn’t have an official AFP investigation with a court appearance and fraud charges just like slipper.

    Fraud? Well she did not make any false statements so the police could not convict her. But she broke the spirit of the law. You cannot have a written law for everything but taking a chopper when you could have taken a taxi is an abuse of power. Thank goodness she has resigned.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 9:43 pm

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2015 10:04 pm

    Well Gillard is in trouble then. Was her trip to Byron Bay principally for private reasons to go to a wedding or official reasons?

    I wonder if Bronnie was ALP would lefties be saying the same things?

    What gets me about these people is that they must know their abuse of taxpayers dollars will one day come out but they still do it. Why?

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 10:08 pm

    Lib politicians seem to do more rorting of taxpayer’s dosh than other MPs.

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 10:21 pm

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 2, 2015 10:31 pm

  32. public toilet permalink
    August 2, 2015 11:07 pm

    Just desserts.

    Predictable lack of contrition or honest appraisal from Abbott. ..after weeks of political misjudgement and idiotic hoping it would all blow over.

    Good to see his past stance and comments, re slipper, being quoted back at him.

    Federal ICAC Now!

  33. public toilet permalink
    August 2, 2015 11:09 pm

    Kneel, as dense as a box of hammers.

    As blind as a newt.

    As beholden as a mindless acolyte.

  34. public toilet permalink
    August 2, 2015 11:11 pm

    If “Gillard is in trouble then”, its worth remembering that she, unlike Abbott the rorter, has little political office left to lose, kneel.

  35. August 3, 2015 12:25 am

    To his credit, Bolt has been very consistent on this, smelling the real politik & its wider implications when the shitstorm first kicked off. He has regularly criticised Abbott’s inaction & obfuscation along the way.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_abbott_was_loyal_to_bishop_to_a_fault_a_serious_fault/

    Unlike a multitude of his regular commenting fuckwits, who attacked him for drawing ongoing attention to the blatant sore, Bolt actually kept up the necessary public pressure.
    Last time he did that, when Cpt Dipshit ‘picked’ Prince Phillip for an Australian (created by Cpt Fuckwit) Knighthood, it resulted in a Leadership event.
    The discomfort within the ranks of Libtard hierarchy in the last week (presumably, they recognised the political threat far better than Abbott [or were far less beholden to Bishop]) alludes to a similar environment.
    Next polls out will be magFUCKINGnificent, for those of us who enjoy watching the prodigy of the Cunning Runt squirm.

  36. August 3, 2015 1:13 am

    the blot imbecile will return to form agitating his zombie-herd to support mr-rabbit getting over the line (again) sure enough, having a nit-pick here or there, is neither here nor there

    yes, the next poll-squirming will be fun

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 7:03 am

    .
    Next polls out will be magFUCKINGnificent, for those of us who enjoy watching the prodigy of the Cunning Runt squirm.

    Not for Australia though. This country could not take another ALP govt for a long time. The ALP is only good in Opposition but hopeless in govt.

  38. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 8:15 am

    Well do you think Gillard taking a VIP jet to Byron bay so she could go to a wedding is much different?

    Quite obviously it was, because she never had to repay that, as it was within entitlements.

    I’m not saying the system is right, but, blaming the system, as yabot is doing, misses the point. bronnie ripped off the current system. She broke the rules of a system yabot claims is not up to scratch. The same system he has been caught rorting again and again.

    If the system is so broken, why are they caught out by it so much?

    If there is anything broken about the system, it is the way in which the punishment is administered.

    The rules are there, and are constantly broken, far more from one side of politics than from the other.

    Slipper committed fraud.

    And the grubmint spent $3.5 million taxpayers dollars hounding him for thet. Now, the AFp won’t even investigate a similar claim against bronnie.

    And, I’ll highlight again, what political party are both of them from.

    Yes, the age of entitlement IS over, just not in the way hockey intended (who might also be sweating over vertain flights to Cairns)

    Was her trip to Byron Bay principally for private reasons to go to a wedding or official reasons?

    I was principally for public reasons, and a wedding coincided. They have hunted her over this a lot, but it all comes up above board. Unlike yabot, who books a flight to a private event, and then calls a presser at some out of the way factory as an afterthought to cover it.

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 8:30 am

    I was principally for public reasons, and a wedding coincided

    What a coincidence. A wedding in Byron bay with one of her staff just happened to coincide with a Gillard public event.

    I am not sure this is a path the ALP should follow. Apparently Tony Burke has has to pay back 15 times things he should not have claimed. You could understand one or two mistakes. But 15 times?

    And Slipper committed fraud. He made false declarations about his travel.

  40. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 8:30 am

    From Tingles afr article AO

    It wasn’t Bronny. It was the system that was the problem. Seriously, Prime Minister?

    Bishop’s brazenness has now been matched by the Prime Minister’s, except he doesn’t quite have her reserves of chutzpah.

    As a result, his announcement on Sunday will not make the problem go away, even if Bishop is leaving the Speaker’s chair (still not making any concessions as she goes). His response casts further doubt on his political judgment and political management skills.

    What’s the bet that this will turn into a hunting expedition for any Labor breaches of the system.

    Good luck with that dopey. You don’t think ltdnews hasn’t already gone there?

    But, what does surprise me, is the way ltd news almost led on this issue. And they went hard. Is it rupe getting back at yabot for not listening to him about credlin? Or was the transgressions so bad and so obvious that even they couldn’t ignore it.

    Considering other issues that they have ignored that probably are even worst (yabots daily fuck ups, his daughters free course, the slipper affair once the truth came out etc, I’m going with the retribution one.

    Don’t disobey rupe, else you gets it!

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 8:49 am

    Apparently Tony Burke has has to pay back 15 times things he should not have claimed.

    Link?

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:03 am

    You could do a google search. But Tony Burke has had to pay back 15 times things he should not have claimed

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/01/24/mps-pay-back-expenses-claims

    Mr Burke made 15 separate repayments involving family travel totalling nearly seven thousand dollars

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:09 am

    Has there ever been a more blatant misuse of entitlements than getting a helicopter from Melbourne to Geelong?

  44. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:19 am

    Tony Burke has had to pay back 15 times things he should not have claimed

    And, was that from his internal discovery, as Gillards was

    And for a total I note of less than a chopter flight ROFL

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:32 am

    Tony Burkes 15 repayments totaled $7,000.

    Has there ever been a more blatant misuse of entitlements than getting a helicopter from Melbourne to Geelong?

    Most probably not. Beats me what gets into these people. You would think that people would be more careful with taxpayers money than they would be working for a private company. But the opposite seems to occur. People seem to think that taxpayers money grows on trees.

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:44 am

    Meanwhile In The Real World!

    Overall financial comfort had slumped 12 per cent for renters, five per cent for homeowners and three per cent for households paying off mortgages.

    Report co-author Jeff Oughton said renters could be feeling the financial pinch due to the difficulty first home buyers experienced and a continued rise in rents across some states.
    Mr Oughton said a lack of comfort with cash savings was linked to weak income growth and concerns about the job market.

    He said 56 per cent of the workforce indicated it would be difficult to find another job within two months if they became unemployed.

    Mr Oughton said the biggest concern for Gen Y and single parents was cash savings, while pre-retirees were worried about their standard of living and investments.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-households-feeling-financial-strain/story-e6frfku9-1227467228445

    Any doubt that this government is really destroying Australia instead of building and developing it?

    A bunch of childish, incompetent amateurs …

    And, gee, $12 billion would have gone a long way to start all those infrastructure projects and solar farms … creating jobs and confidence …

    … but we really need a few shonky US fighter planes instead, hey!

  47. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:44 am

  48. Peter permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:47 am

    Good Riddance! They politicians are so dishonest, now if no one brought this raping of tax payer money to the publics attention, she would still be rorting the Australian people which is a crime against the country, the sad thing is she will receive the pension for the rest of her life, thanks again to the people (tax payers)of Australia, she should be stripped of all entitlements!
    Still can’t believe she tried to get away with this! She has plenty of her own money she could have used! I would love to know how much money has been misused by these people we vote in and suppose to trust to run this country over the past 20 years! Enough I suppose to aid our hospitals and schools.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2015 11:33 am

    Well said Peter!

  50. August 3, 2015 12:37 pm
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  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 1:13 pm

    Someone checked the ToR for abbott’s r/v and could see his planned ripoff.

    PM is doubling down on Bishop’s extravagant slap in the face to Taxpayers:
    http://yathink.com.au/article-display/pm-is-doubling-down-on-bishops-extravagant-slap-in-the-face-to-taxpayers,165#comment-2171167323

    …Then I went to bed, but I was still seething, see, I’m one of those daggy punters who actually reads what is released by Government, yes, I know, I need to get a life. One line in particular in the ‘Terms of Reference’ for the PM’s “An Independent Parliamentary Entitlements System” stood out like a German Shepherds crab apples.

    “Acknowledging the role of party business in parliamentary business”

    Seriously!? My reading of including that in the “Purpose” of the committee is that Mr Abbott is not only going to let Ms Bishop get away with ripping off the taxpayer by allowing her to resign and keep her job, BUT is in fact doubling down on the insult to us by trying to make ‘Party Business’ a legit expense in MP entitlements?

    Pollies love to use the term “Community Expectations”. Well I can tell Mr Abbott now;

    The Community never expects to pay for Pollies to attend their own parties business, fundraisers, strategy meetings etc. NEVER EVER!
    Considering political parties are not even mentioned in our Constitution, over the years various rules have been changed in Government to give political parties an advantage that a sole MP does not get. This grates enough as MP’s are elected to represent their ‘electorates’, not be “warriors for their political parties”…

    Abbott doesn’t mind a charter flight or two himself.

    Tony Abbott’s Taste for Chartered Flights
    https://francesjones.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/tony-abbotts-taste-for-chartered-flights/

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 1:23 pm

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 2:01 pm

    An economy is not a society: The unmaking of the Australian working class
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-unmaking-of-the-australian-working-class–and-their-right-to-resist,8013

    …Just like the members of the English working class who went through the Industrial Revolution, the people who have experienced the destruction of their industries and communities in places like Dandenong and Doveton in Melbourne’s south-east, Norlane in Geelong, Broadmeadows in Melbourne’s north, and Elizabeth outside Adelaide, where the car factories and canneries are still being closed and where unemployment is still well above 20 per cent after 25 years of economic growth, have something important to say to us.

    It is this: economic change can’t be stopped, but we should at least try to make it work for everyone. If not, the losers have the moral right to resist — and they will…

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2015 2:12 pm

    And Still They Come! (War of the Worlds)

    TAXPAYERS forked out $8800 last year for veteran Liberal MP Philip Ruddock and his wife to travel to Perth for a work trip that included a Hollywood-themed ball.

    The figures are revealed in Mr Ruddock’s parliamentary entitlements report for July to December 2014.

    Mr Ruddock, who has put his hand up to replace Bronwyn Bishop as the Parliamentary Speaker, flew commercially from Sydney to Perth on September 6 with his wife Heather, at a total return flight cost of $6400.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/would-be-speaker-philip-ruddock-claimed-9000-on-perth-trip/story-fn5tas5k-1227467889775

    BORN TO RULE – LEANERS!

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 2:23 pm

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 2:25 pm

    BORN TO RULE – LEANERS!

    Rubbish both sides do it.

    One problem is also that normal people would look for the cheapest flight. Booking a flight the day before is VERY expensive. You can get $99 plane tickets from Sydney-Melbourne but a business class seat booked the day before could be hundreds of dollars.

    Tony Abbott’s Taste for Chartered Flights

    Do you have a similar list for Rudd/Gillard/Shorten?

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2015 2:55 pm

    Do you have a similar list for Rudd/Gillard/Shorten?

    No … do you?

    … but a business class seat booked the day before could be hundreds of dollars.

    Or impossible … that’s why business people book ahead – its called planning … 🙄

    And I agree all pollies are in the firing line … but the BORN TO RULE MOB called everyone else LEANERS … and do seem to be a little more prolific in the theft of taxpayer money …

    … and make no mistake it is STEALING!

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 3:12 pm

    Bishop has resigned, but the entitlements war isn’t over yet:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-03/matthewson-entitlements-war-not-over/6666884

    …Perhaps the most common rort is to schedule an official commitment with a party or private event, so that the taxpayer foots any associated travel and accommodation bill.

    This was likely the case when 16 Government frontbenchers happened to be in Melbourne for official business around the same time as a major Liberal fundraising event. And when former PM Julia Gillard used a RAAF jet to travel to Byron Bay to inspect roadworks the morning after she attended the wedding of two staffers.

    There’s also the totally legitimate but politically questionable practice of MPs using their away from home allowance to pay the mortgage of a second residence in Canberra. The major parties even push the boundaries of MP entitlements at election time, leaving the official launch of the campaign until as close to polling day as possible, because at this point the taxpayer stops footing their travel and accommodation costs…

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 4:12 pm

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2015 4:57 pm

    Muchly amusement!

    Bronwyn Kathleen Bishop (née Setright; born 19 October 1942)

    Setright – did you say Setright! Classic!

    … and more laughingness!

    Bishop undertook a five-year LLB program at the University of Sydney.[3]

    However, she was deemed ineligible to continue after failing a number of subjects multiple times.[4] Bishop failed a total of 11 subjects over six years.[4]

    In her first year in 1960, she failed all four core subjects. In 1964, she failed four subjects again, and repeated them in 1965, in which she failed three again.

    The policy of the University of Sydney at the time was that a student was required to show cause why they should be allowed to repeat a subject for a third time, and Bishop was deemed ineligible to continue.[4]

    So politics was a last desperate (easy) choice without a law degree … god forbid …

    Bishop first worked as an articled clerk and played an acting role as a barrister in the 1960s Australian television program Divorce Court.[6]

    And been acting the part ever since!

    How we laughed and laughed … and there’s more – have a look at “Personal Life and see who she sang “We’re a Coupla Swells” with …

    Bronwyn is going to be a gift that never stops giving … I do hope the ALP take advantage of it …

    I can see the next snout dipping described as … “He’s done a Bronwyn” … LOL!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronwyn_Bishop

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 3, 2015 5:19 pm

    Just for something different.

    It might be a long 10 years

    HEY Dad actor Robert Hughes was covered in human faeces and urine by prison inmates who “unloaded” on him on his first day in jail.
    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/books-magazines/hey-dad-actor-robert-hughes-gets-attacked-with-human-excrement-by-fellow-prisoners/story-fna50uae-1227467704064?sv=b263fe1d87a6ab777df5e189fdfbf7df

    …Hughes, the Australian television celebrity sentenced last year for indecently assaulting four victims, was attacked by prisoners as he walked into a yard in Goulburn Prison. But not with their fists. Instead, the inmates hurled cartons of faeces and urine at him, aiming at him through a fence that separated Hughes from at least 30 other inmates…

    Meanwhile, Rolf is very angry

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123974/Victims-anger-Rolf-Harris-s-vile-prison-song-Paedophile-pens-lyrics-cell-calling-women-abused-slimy-little-worms.html

    …Victims told of their despair last night after paedophile Rolf Harris called them ‘slimy little worms’.
    In a song he plans to release on leaving jail, the 85-year-old said the women were mercenaries chasing compensation.
    The shamed entertainer also bragged about his easy life behind bars, saying ‘basically I am doing what I like’…

  63. August 3, 2015 6:24 pm

    Sociopathic Pervasive Demographic…

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2015 7:35 pm

    and do seem to be a little more prolific in the theft of taxpayer money …

    Link?

  65. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2015 9:52 pm

    And considering the secrecy, and what is coming to light now. it looks to have got even worst for the libs

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/release-of-ministerial-travel-costs-could-damage-our-international-standing-government-claims-20141207-121xca

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2015 7:43 am

    How come all this expenses stuff has come out at this time??

    Is there some ALP politician up to no good and the media putting up a smoke screen for their Labor mates?

  67. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 8:05 am

    How come all this expenses stuff has come out at this time?

    Leadershit.

    Except our journos don’t seem interested.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-smell-of-kerosene.html

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 9:02 am

  69. Reb permalink
    August 4, 2015 9:05 am

    I’m in Adelaide. That is all.

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 9:24 am

    Who in parliament is protecting Michael Lawler?

    [the oz, paywall]

    New complaint on Michael Lawler’s fitness to work at Fair Work Commission
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/new-complaint-on-michael-lawlers-fitness-to-work-at-fair-work-commission/story-fn59noo3-1227468535799

    The much absent Fair Work Commission vice-president Michael Lawler could be subject to a new wave of complaints following a protest lodged with the federal government that alleges his controversial periods of extended sick leave raise serious doubts about his judgment.

    Employment Minister Eric Abetz has received a formal letter of complaint claiming Mr Lawler made a “very dangerous” decision in April by providing justification for nursing home managers to compel “unqualified and unregistered” staff to administer prescription drugs to residents.

    The decision was issued by Mr Lawler shortly before he started another round of extended sick leave that ended late last month…

    …Mr Lawler only revealed publicly in a June affidavit lodged during Federal Court proceedings that he attributed extended absences from his semi-judicial position to mental illness.

    He accused colleagues from the commission of playing a key role in his illness….

    …Mr Lawler has taken nine months of sick leave on full pay of $435,000 over the past year. He ­already faces one complaint to the federal government for allegedly belittling an industrial advocate during a conference last year…

    …In a further letter, dated July 28, to Iain Ross, president of the Fair Work Commission, Mr Grabovsky says he is initiating proceedings to have Mr Lawler removed from his post, and asks the judge to provide details of all Mr Lawler’s absences and reasons for absences. Mr Lawler can only be removed by a vote of the federal parliament…

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2015 10:09 am

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/labor-mp-faces-travel-claim-questions/story-e6frfku9-1227468983996

    FEDERAL Labor is facing an entitlements controversy of its own as it deals with allegations frontbencher Tony Burke took his family on a taxpayer-funded trip to Uluru………Questions have also been raised over a week-long overseas trip to Europe by Mr Burke, during his time as environment minister, where his expenses averaged $10,000 a day, it said.

    I suspect the expenses are within the guidelines. Apparently he can take his kids with him but his kids would normally be a school and hence could not go. What are the chances Burkes official visit was when school holidays was on?

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 10:56 am

    What are the chances Burkes official visit was when school holidays was on?

    What are the chances of taxpayers not funding any travel expenses for spouses & family members of all politicians? Why are we forced to do so?

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 10:58 am

    Australia’s leaders ‘wilfully blind’ about climate change, says former NAB chief:
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/03/australias-leaders-wilfully-blind-about-climate-change-says-former-nab-chief

    …Australia’s political leaders are “wilfully blind” to the challenge of climate change, with the country at risk from an “economically reckless” reliance upon fossil fuels, the former head of the National Australia Bank has warned…

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 11:09 am

    yes, take it out of their greedy, grasping hands!

    We need an independent umpire to rule on MP entitlements:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-04/fels-we-need-an-independent-umpire-to-rule-on-mp-entitlements/6670198

    …The 2010 parliamentary entitlements review, of which I was a member, made a number of recommendations around transparency that weren’t adopted. Now is the time for a proper overhaul of this system that includes an independent entity to both monitor and enforce the rules, writes Allan Fels…

    …Now is the time for a proper system of transparency. It is the best single method of curbing excessive entitlements. Consideration should be given to having a system under which MPs must show on their own website their travel and other expenses and their justification – with this being done within, say, a month of the expenses having been incurred.

    The third need is for much clearer rules. Currently the key rules are undefined. MPs can claim travel entitlements in relation to parliamentary, electorate or official expenses. It is not clear what these are. The rules do not even explicitly state that entitlements cannot be claimed for party political events, although that is widely understood to be the rule…

    Entitlements review: this is a problem of definitions:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-04/berg-entitlements-review-this-is-a-problem-of-definitions/6669902

    …This subtly amusing parliamentary fact sheet tries to derive the “job description” of a parliamentarian by observing how parliamentarians exercise their time. They do parliamentary work (voting, committee hearings), constituent work (pressing flesh, going to fetes) and political work (party conferences, branch meetings, scheming).

    But just because politicians do a lot of things doesn’t mean we should pay for those things. We elect them to represent us in federal parliament, not to visit fetes. They might enjoy being local celebrities but why should we pay for them to campaign?…

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2015 11:14 am

    I’m in Adelaide. That is all.

    You sound like John Wayne playing a submarine captain … ah I get it Adelaide … clever …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They do parliamentary work (voting, committee hearings), constituent work (pressing flesh, going to fetes) and political work (party conferences, branch meetings, scheming).

    Work? Fkn work? LEANERS!

    Does anyone run the country other than banks and big business?

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2015 11:37 am

    Adelaide is dull, nowhere to eat. That’s really bad luck.

    There are few places more boring to spend a day or 2, but Perth is one.

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 4, 2015 12:22 pm

    Eight things racists say to try and convince people they’re not being racist
    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/eight-things-racists-say-to-try-and-convince-people-theyre-not-being-racist-20150731-giohbl.html

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 1:56 pm

    What are the chances Burkes official visit was when school holidays was on?

    Could explain why the kids went, which was also totally under entitlements.

    You can argue the entitlements are too extravagant (they look that way to an outsider)

    But you cannot attack a person who has official business during school holidays (it does happen a lot) and uses that as an opportunity. That is why the entitlements were provided, so politicians who spend many days away from their families can spend some time with them.

    It is vastly different from going somewhere for a fundraiser, and calling a belated presser to vindicate the expense. Or to sell a book, or ride in a “charity” and plot pressers as you go.

    If this is all the mud murdor has, fling it with abandon.

    I note that they don’t include in that story that it was all under the existing entitlements.

  79. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 1:57 pm

    I see that the “dead, buried, cremated” workchoices is back

    https://twitter.com/robcorr/status/628408256210210816

  80. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 3:08 pm

    Has the grubmint put the final nail in their coffin?

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 3:09 pm

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2015 3:47 pm

    Another Mad Abbott & The Madmen hit … “Farting in the Wind” …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/professor-simon-chapman-delivers-withering-smack-down-to-wind-farm-opponents/story-fnjwvztl-1227469636271

    ha ha ho ho ha ha hehe!

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 5:02 pm

    This bit at the end sums it up TB

    His testimony did not sway the select committee, most of whose members began the inquiry like Senator Madigan, opposing wind farms.

    Still a mob of closeted deniers, nothing more.

    Also funny to see these champions of “red tape” removal promising mountains of red tape for wind farms

    The Senate Inquiry into wind farms has tabled a final report recommending a stringent regulatory system for the most commercially viable clean energy source and a dramatic escalation in Federal government powers. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/04/wind-inquiry-recommends-vast-escalation-federal-government-power#sthash.XQdvVXlp.dpuf

    Their ideological opposition is both blatant and ridiculous

  84. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 5:09 pm

    I’m in Adelaide. That is all.

    BULLSHIT

    I walked around town this morning, and I didn’t see you anywhere!

  85. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2015 5:26 pm

    Labors reply to the Senate Inquiry is less than flattering

    “The majority report is belligerently deaf to the expert advice that wind energy is not only safe, but it is affordable and should play a critical role in Australia’s transition to a low-carbon economy,” Urquhart said

    Not one professional scientific, medical or acoustics body in the world holds the proposition that wind farms are dangerous to human health, and yet the majority report predicates a raft of onerous recommendations on this completely unsubstantiated claim.”

    – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/04/wind-inquiry-recommends-vast-escalation-federal-government-power#sthash.qkghZvTs.dpuf

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2015 6:12 pm

    ROBBER BARONS at Work!

    SUNCORP boss Patrick Snowball is going out on a high as the insurance giant’s profit rises 55 per cent despite a record $1 billion natural disaster claims bill.

    MR Snowball, who will leave the company in October after six years at the helm, has led a significant overhaul of Suncorp, beefing up its banking business and turning around its core insurance arm.
    He’s also been well paid for his efforts, taking home $9.8 million in his final full year in the job.

    The former British army officer defended his pay packet as he unveiled a $1.13 billion net profit for the 2014/15 financial year, up from $730 million a year ago.

    1% of the global population own 50% of the wealth!

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2015 7:04 pm

    QUEENSLAND Liberal National MP Teresa Gambaro says she won’t run for the role of Speaker.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/gambaro-wont-run-for-speaker/story-e6frfku9-1227469984417

    Thank christ for that! I lived in one of her many electorates … another pollie you would never employ to run your business … let alone a country!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2015 9:51 pm

    LOL!

    Lateline … bloke flogging his new book … title:

    “An Economy is Not a Society”

    Now that sounds vaguely familiar to me … 😉

  89. Battleships permalink
    August 5, 2015 5:17 am

    Erica Betz and Neil know that the Australian political heartland yearns for more constructive family squabble time…

    [video src="http://fat.gfycat.com/NervousComplicatedDavidstiger.webm" /]

  90. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 8:36 am

    I see the mud slingers are slinging for all it worth. This statement sum it up

    But, if they want a bad look, here’s a prime example. Again, no understanding of what “volunteer”

    So, when weeks are days and days cost tens of thousands of dollars and volunteering is photo ops and not listening to the traditional owners of the land, you have to rename these volunteering trips. Maybe to Tony Abbott’s very expensive, taxpayer funded, private jet flown, not listening tours of outback Australia.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-costly-indigenous-community-volunteering,5628

    As long as Labor throw the mud back. alls fair as far as I’m concerned

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 8:49 am

    So Tony Bourke says he was entitled to fly his wife and kids business class.

    Well in that case it’s I suppose it’s fine.

    (Didn’t Bronwyn make the same claim about the helicopter trip?)

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 8:51 am

    Burke has form. He has had to repay expenses 15 times. Once or twice could be a mistake but not 15 times.

    Also on that trip to Ayres Rock on which he took his wife and kids he had the option of flying them in economy but instead ticked the box for business class costing the taxpayer 4 times as much. Furthermore the official trip was obviously arranged during school holidays so he could take his kids.

    Burke kept the letter of the law but broke the spirit of the law.

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:09 am

    Alan Wilkie: “It is, as a minimum, unethical for a member of the House of Representatives to fly to Uluru with his family at considerable expense and charge it to the public purse,”

  94. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:14 am

    Didn’t Bronwyn make the same claim about the helicopter trip?

    Initially, until it became apparent that it WASN’T within entitlements.

    He has had to repay expenses 15 times

    Are there details. They could all be from the one “mistake”

    And why not compare with others?

    How many times has yabot been forced to repay?

    And that is what needs to be highlighted, “forced”.

    When you have a schedule requiring much travel and lots of these entitlements, there will be many boundaries crossed. Every politician has done it, on multiple occasions.

    It is what happens when they are found. yabot fought tooth and nail to keep his cash, only being forced to repay when Finance threatened higher action.

    So bring it on I say, put it ALL out there.

    This is what Labor should be doing. And have a discussion about if it is OK for the family entitlement to remain as it is.

    Furthermore the official trip was obviously arranged during school holidays so he could take his kids.

    Link?

    Burke kept the letter of the law but broke the spirit of the law.

    How? If his meetings occur during a particular time, and he takes advantage of entitlements to spend time with his family, then that is operating in exactly the spirit of the law as it was written. Unlike bishop, or yabot, selling a book on tax payer dollars, or performing “volunteer” work paid for by us.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:16 am

    I recall plenty of criticism of Hockey’s expense claims for staying in his wife’s Canberra house, but that was also “within the rules”

    Bourke typically looks like a shonky hypocrite. That’s probably because he is.

  96. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:16 am

    Wilkie (Who??) is talking out of his arse. If it is “unethical”, why is it legislated?

    If it “unethical”, then change the law.

    There was review of entitlements 5 years ago. Was this changed then? If not, why?

  97. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:19 am

    but that was also “within the rules”

    It was the extent he went to to shirk them. Selling his house to his wife, then paying her for it. Nobody claimed it was illegal, but it was certainly unethical.

    Burke didn’t do anything except use the law as it was written. Can anybody show that he deliberately set up meetings t coincide wit holidays? Or were the meetings accepted for when they were offered?

    Of course, if you assume the worst, it will look the worst, like hockeys example. The difference is, the facts of hockey rorting were examined, and it looked like it was, a rort.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:21 am

    Yep. Bourke’s excuse is that he misunderstood or misheard the briefing about expenses.

    That shows the character of the man. He thought – “how good is this??!! I’ll be able to load the public up with all sorts of extravagant expenses!!”

    How disappointing for him when he found that all he would be able to rort were things like expensive family holidays at public expense.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:21 am

    Burke has form. He has had to repay expenses 15 times. Once or twice could be a mistake but not 15 times.

    Let’s just say that this is the counter attack from the libs after Bronny got burned, the ‘look over there’ to get bronny off the front pages and prevent any further action.

    So, why don’t they want to do what andrew wilkie reasonably suggests and audit every MP’s expenses for the last 5 years?

    The libs do seem to like living the life of the entitled and seem to believe that every single thing they do is a claimable public expense even when it is an obviously personal thing like a wedding.
    I think these ‘study tours’ that they all do to lovely scenic places or world events with their families could easily be removed. If they want a holiday, they really should do it on their own coin. They reward themselves for their ‘hard’ work very well.
    It is this continual tacking on of some kind of political meeting or community event to justify personal trips that is a major problem. I still don’t see why we pay for their partners and families at all, we employ the MP not their family and you can’t justify time away from family when they are well paid already for the job they do and lots of other workers spend time away from their families without employer paid family reunions.

    It is the pollies exploiting the rules to their advantage and our expense.

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:22 am

    “If it “unethical”, then change the law.”

    Quite so. Ethics is irrelevant for Unionland functionaries.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:22 am

    snap!

  102. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:23 am

    And speaking of a shonky look, how does it look when a “review” you have asked for comes up with something you promised (ROFL) not to bring back, especially when everyone knows your promises aren’t worth shit.

    In July 2010, the then-Opposition Leader Tony Abbott promised that he had “killed and cremated” his controversial industrial relations platform known as WorkChoices.

    On Tuesday, the Productivity Commission invited Mr Abbott’s government to resurrect key features of the package, including the reinstatement of individual contracts and a watering down of safeguards that ensure new enterprise agreements do not result in lower wages and working conditions.

    But the draft recommendations of the Commission’s workplace relations inquiry enters terrain that even the Howard government’s WorkChoices package would not go near.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/08/04/penalty-rates-threat-abbott-mulls-ir-changes/

    Speaking of promises, it appears yabots pork barrel job in SA with boats has sunk like a subs contract promise has into the abyss. Mainly because, he said the same thing about subs before the last election. Nobody’s buying it (except the msm of course)

    Fool me once…….

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:24 am

    “So, why don’t they want to do what andrew wilkie reasonably suggests and audit every MP’s expenses for the last 5 years?”

    A good idea to everyone but the charlatan pollies we elected.

  104. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:27 am

    It is this continual tacking on of some kind of political meeting or community event to justify personal trips that is a major problem.

    Exactly, and considering Burke attended multiple meetings, there was obviously something going on there. Unlike yabot, who even admitted to colleagues he had to arrange something at the last minute in order to claim a trip for a lib fundraiser.

    I still don’t see why we pay for their partners and families at all

    I understand the reasoning, pollies being away from family for so long. But, the argument is, especially when the pollies are telling us the “age of entitlement” is over, they are being granted these kinds of entitlements.

    Of course, I will just highlight, Burke is not from the side of politics making the claims about the “age of entitlement”. So the hypocrisy argument doesn’t really sit there like it does with hockey.

  105. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:29 am

    A good idea to everyone but the charlatan pollies we elected.

    From memory, Labor made this info available during the last Parliament when the issue was raised then. It has since been locked away again, but should always be publicly available.

  106. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:33 am

    “ROBBER BARONS at Work! ………………..The former British army officer defended his pay packet as he unveiled a $1.13 billion net profit for the 2014/15 financial year, up from $730 million a year ago………………”

    Good for him…………………………….he obviously knows what he’s doing.

    Must be because he’s……………….. “worn the uniform”

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:36 am

    It was the extent he went to to shirk them. Selling his house to his wife, then paying her for it. Nobody claimed it was illegal, but it was certainly unethical.

    And we wonder why they won’t act on legislation to contain negative gearing, a clear conflict of interest when they are doing it themselves. Self interest overrides national interest.

    People with money will always find a way to make it work for them.

    “If it “unethical”, then change the law.”

    Yes, if there are so many ‘grey areas’ then tighten them up and make them black & white. The only grey area is that the pollie sees themselves as always at work, even when they are not, when they are given so much as the benefit of office or government business, there becomes an attitude where they don’t believe they should have to put their own hand in their pocket for anything. They become self important, think they are worth it, that their contribution to the nation is great.

    Also, how about not letting the pollie put all their stocks and shares into the wife’s name just to avoid the rules around conflict of interest.

    So many ways they could become more ethical.

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:41 am

    It truly is amazing that this has gone straight to a criminal court, when it is quite obviously an industrial matter.

    Personally, the wrong one is being criminally charged, but, welcome to yabots oz.

    ACT Police’s criminal blackmail charge against Construction Forestry Mining Energy Union (CFMEU) ACT organiser John Lomax relates to a site rates clause, casting doubt on whether Lomax made an “unwarranted demand” by insisting a subcontractor sign a union enterprise agreement (EA) with the minimum rates.
    …………….
    The police claim Lomax made the demand to Nel Trading director Woong-Yul Park

    http://sites.thomsonreuters.com.au/workplace/2015/07/31/unprecedented-blackmail-charge-relates-to-site-rates-claim/

    Who is Woong-Yul Park?

    https://twitter.com/robcorr/status/628706622123212800

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:45 am

    I’d love to see an audit of politicians travel expenses for the past 5 years. But watch them jump for cover.

    Andrew Wilkie is great value, he and Nick Xenophon share so many common interests, it seems that should have the basis for a political alliance.

    In the UK a few years ago there was a scandal about travel rorts like this (but worse) – that was hilarious too.
    ——————-
    …but watching the barrackers squirm is quite funny too.
    • It’s all about the rules
    • Except when it is Hockey doing the rorting, then it’s about the ethics
    • Bourke declared his mistakes
    • They must have been some mistakes, when he still thinks taking his family on an expensive holiday at public expense is just fine

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:45 am

  111. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:49 am

    when he still thinks taking his family on an expensive holiday at public expense is just fine

    So, it has gone from bishops breaking the rules, to attacking people for sticking to them. Laughable yomm, but, what “unethical” behaviour has Burke exhibited?

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:03 am

    In the UK a few years ago there was a scandal about travel rorts like this (but worse) – that was hilarious too.

    And there was reform afterwards so that it couldn’t happen again.

    We never get the reform here, that’s the problem, we go from scandal to scandal with no change to prevent them. It is still left up to the politicians to interpret the rules and they seem to have a set of ‘understood’ rules amongst themselves that they will all practice [which the public still sees as unacceptable]. The only time the scandals erupt are when an individual pollie goes so far over and above the unstated collaboration that it draws public attention to what they all enjoy.

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:08 am

    Let’s just say that this is the counter attack from the libs after Bronny got burned, the ‘look over there’ to get bronny off the front pages and prevent any further action

    Well at least Bronnie resigned.

    Who owns the most

    I think you will find a very few wealthy Coalition MP’s own a lot of properties like 30 or 40 skewing the results.

    But 16 properties for the Greens seems a lot. How many MP’s do they have?

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:15 am

    I thought Bronwyn resigned because –
    • her expenses became a political embarrassment,
    • some Libs would abstain in the no confidence vote and
    • her actions didn’t pass the sniff test.

    But is there a formal finding that the claims were in breach of the rules?
    —————–
    Bourke takes his family on an expensive holiday during school holidays (at public expense). But don’t worry about that.

    Bourke rorted the system on 15 separate occasions to the extent that they were bigger rorts than taking his family on an expensive holiday. But don’t worry about that either.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:17 am

    If there is a finding that Bishop’s expense claims were in breach of the rules, I must have missed that.

  116. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:22 am

    “Bourke rorted the system on 15 separate occasions ……………….”

    And I hope he tries to “tough it out”

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:23 am

    Bourke takes his family on an expensive holiday during school holidays (at public expense). But don’t worry about that.

    I agree somewhat with TomR here. Apparently that is within the rules. Apparently they are allowed to take their family with them on some trips. But it is almost certainly true that Burke arranged an official trip during school holidays so he could take his kids. Unprovable of course. Kept the letter of the law but broke the spirit of the law. And it cost us $13,000.

  118. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:25 am

    Well at least Bronnie resigned.

    ROFL

    After weeks of denying any wrong doing. She didn’t jump.

    If there is a finding that Bishop’s expense claims were in breach of the rules

    It’s called reading the rules. You cannot claim for fundraisers, it’s pretty black and white.

    Of course, we will never have a definitive finding from this mob, who even have the AFR covering for them. But if you can fins a way to claim that flying to a fundraiser is within entitlements, go ahead. Because the fact of her guilt have been detailed here many times

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:31 am

    I see, so while you continue to assert that Craig Thompson was framed, or something (that I really can’t follow), despite him being prosecuted, you’ve decided for yourself that Bishop broke the rules, even though there is no finding to that effect.

    Meanwhile, you defend yet another snout in the trough politician who has demonstrated his inclination to rort travel expenses to the maximum, because it’s within the rules!

  120. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:31 am

    I agree somewhat with TomR here

    Well, that;s it, I’m off for a shower!

    But it is almost certainly true that Burke arranged an official trip during school holidays so he could take his kids</i.

    Easily provable. As I said, there were multiple meetings. Bourke was kept pretty busy there during that time, so there was obviously something big going on. I have read a few references to something about a golf course?

    You want to make an accusation, try to back it up with something resembling evidence.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:36 am

    AD BREAK!

    How cool is this! Back To The Future!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/professional-skateboarder-ross-mcgouran-demonstrates-the-lexus-hoverboard-in-action/story-fnjwucti-1227470623314

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So, why don’t they want to do what andrew wilkie reasonably suggests and audit every MP’s expenses for the last 5 years?

    Indeed! EVERY MP!

    Gordon Nuttall (QLD Minister) ended up in jail for accepting money from a mine owner in lots of $9,900 … “donations” over $10,000 had to be declared …

    There is the law itself and the spirit of the law …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Must be because he’s……………….. “worn the uniform”

    Yeah, but not an Aussie uniform … a shiny arse tank officer born in Germany wonder where he got his “financial expertise” from … The Network?

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:38 am

    The fact that bishop paid it back is all the evidence you need that it was not within entitlements yomm

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 10:55 am

    The fact that bishop paid it back is all the evidence you need that it was not within entitlements yomm

    No it doesn’t. It just shows she broke the spirit of the law not the letter.

    As I said, there were multiple meetings. Bourke was kept pretty busy there during that time, so there was obviously something big going on.

    You are insane. That is what they do. Gillard made sure there was an official function in Byron Bay when she went to a wedding the day before. Flying there in a VIP jet.

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:00 am

    Department of Finance will refuse to reveal outcome of Bronwyn Bishop investigation

    It wasn’t hand-balled to Jane Halton for nothing!

    Since all government dept’s have become politicised there is little transparency and accountability of politicians. it is time the staffers and CoS became accountable to parliament as well. they wield enormous power that evades any scrutiny.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:02 am

    You are insane. That is what they do. Gillard made sure there was an official function in Byron Bay when she went to a wedding the day before. Flying there in a VIP jet.

    Like we keep saying, that is what all the pollies have colluded to do. Tony Abbott flies all over the place in a VIP jet too [and charter flights]

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:05 am

    They keep saying ‘within the rules’. Are all the rules publicly available?

    Self regulation is an invitation to rort, especially when there is a bottomless pit of taxpayer funding available to them.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:06 am

    KL … re: Negative gearing … interesting that the poll on the bottom of the article shows a 75% YES vote to get rid of negative gearing …

    So the evidence is becoming clearer just who pollies work for … and it’s not Australian taxpayers/voters …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No it doesn’t. It just shows she broke the spirit of the law not the letter.

    Nice try using my earlier comment (re spirit), Kneel, but she broke the law … more than once …

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:09 am

    Kneel, even ToM realises that …

    If there is a finding that Bishop’s expense claims were in breach of the rules, I must have missed that.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    And I forgot one … Quite so. Ethics is irrelevant for Unionland functionaries. sb.

    Unions. BOO!

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:09 am

    I’m quite happy that Bronwyn resigned, but please link the law she broke.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:15 am

    Isn’t this going from bad to worse?

    CHANNEL Seven has shown exactly what they thought of the ratings for Restaurant Revolution by replacing it with a bunch of cat videos.

    Just two weeks after the launch of the big budget cooking show, the network will replace the ratings catastrophe with the premiere of Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/seven-shelves-restaurant-revolution-replaces-it-with-cats-make-you-laugh-out-loud/story-fn8yvfst-1227470679354

    Fkn cats?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, technically BB committed fraud … that’s actually a criminal charge … politician’s can’t sit with a criminal charge hanging over their heads … so what do you think they will be doing for “our Bronny” … and if you check through this thread you’ll find a discussion on that very issue and why it was referred to the AFP … and why the current review will be covered up … but then you knew all that … hey?

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:15 am

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/02/bronwyn-bishop-dumped-as-parliamentary-speaker/#comment-111826

    Well i looked it up. There are 11 Greens MP’s and they own 16 rental properties.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:26 am

    …I’m quite happy that Bronwyn resigned, but please link the law she broke…

    How will we know if dept of finance won’t release their report and the AFP don’t investigate?

    Apparently they are not allowed to use entitlements for party fundraising, she didn’t have the sense to pre-arrange a meeting or event. that’s why she tied herself in knots re ‘secret’ meetings that the other committee members had no knowledge of.

  133. Ayers And Graces permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:31 am

    “In this game you start throwing rocks and there won’t be a person left in the Parliament because everyone will have some issue somewhere in the past that is difficult to explain. But, but believe you me, I don’t think there was any maliciousness in how it happened.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barnaby-joyce-backs-bronwyn-bishop-politicians-entitlements-20150801-gipkv4.html#ixzz3htrPHQQJ

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:51 am

    ToM, technically BB committed fraud

    I think you will find technically she did nothing wrong otherwise it would have been forwarded to the AFP.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:59 am

    Maybe, she was too stupid, or self important or arrogant to try to conceal her actions with some dodgy community meeting.

    But, Tom R continued to argue “poor Craig is innocent”, even after he was convicted!

    How’s that for double standards!!??

  136. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 12:40 pm

    It just shows she broke the spirit of the law not the letter.

    She broke more than the spirit. It says the travel must be for parliamentary business. Whe had no parliamentary business at a Liberal fundraiser. That is a purely party business. The only time travel can be claimed for purely Party matter is for national conferences.

    You are insane. That is what they do.

    What, have meetings with constituents. And that’s insane ROFL

    otherwise it would have been forwarded to the AFP.

    It was you numbnuts.

    even after he was convicted!

    No, I pointed out the manipulation between brandis, the AFR and the courts that worked on trying to get him for something, anything, for years. With that background, I’ll take any “conviction” with a huge grain of salt.

    otherwise all MPs would eventually be caught breaching the rules.

    From the SMH link. And yet, with all their digging, all they have found is someone who used the system EXACTLY as it was designed to be used.

    Sure, change the design is you don’t like it, but you cannot string someone up for using entitlements that comes with their job in the manner in which they were designed. Unlike those who manipulate the system in order to extract entitlements in a way they most obviously were not designed for.

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 12:43 pm

  138. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 12:46 pm

    I also note that while some are having conniptions over a politician using entitlements well within the law, they are remarkably silent over the grubmints latest attempt to rekindle the workchoices flame.

    Look, over there, a Labor person didn’t do anything wrong!

  139. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 12:50 pm

  140. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 12:52 pm

  141. Reb permalink
    August 5, 2015 1:04 pm

    I’m in Perth.

    It’s everything that people say it is.

    Shit.

  142. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 1:08 pm

    Hows Ben keeping Reb (with a Kapitol)?

  143. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 1:24 pm

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 1:46 pm

    heavens! Adrian is right on the ball!

    That can only mean he took his family on lots of expensive holidays!

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2015 1:52 pm

    Yes, Perth is a dreadful city. the locals have never been east so they have no reference point. They think it’s great, because they compare the housing to Kuta Beach.

    The other people there people from the eastern states that are fleeing family court orders, warrants for arrest or are just general misfits on the run from civility.

  146. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 2:49 pm

    That can only mean he took his family on lots of expensive holidays!

    You really don’t read anything closely do you yomm

    Book tours, “volunteering”, triathlons. Ring a bell

    Whilst family trips are specifically covered (agree with that or not), I have yet to see specific coverage for any of those three events.

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 2:55 pm

    Eleven Greens MP’s with 16 properties. It is Great to be Green.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 3:23 pm

    I’m in Perth.

    Scotland?

    Between you and ToM, I can’t understand why we don’t have boats leaving Australia rather than coming here …

    And my grandson wants to spend schoolies week in fkn Melbourne! What a crap hole that is …

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 3:32 pm

    What a crap hole that is …

    what better place to crap in for schoolies then 😉

  150. armchair opionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 4:11 pm

  151. armchair opionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 4:18 pm

  152. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 4:21 pm

    Tony Abbott is now less popular than Julia Gillard

    And he managed that with a media that is on his side.

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 4:27 pm

    And he managed that with a media that is on his side

    Can’t stop lying can you. I think he a done a good job considering the mess he was handed. It must be a nightmare to come in after an ALP govt that always trashes everything they touch.

    By the way any comments on 11 Greens MP’s with 16 properties?

  154. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2015 5:47 pm

    You two deserve to argue with each other.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 5:52 pm

    You two deserve to argue with each other.

    What would you have done if elected PM in 2013 with a trashed budget, trashed borders and trashed everything?

  156. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 6:20 pm

    You two deserve to argue with each other.

    No we don’t!

  157. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 6:46 pm

    lolz

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 6:53 pm

    You two deserve to argue with each other.

    Get stuffed SB

    I did not allow 50,000 boat people into Australia costing is $11B- you did
    I did not trash the budget- you did
    I did not lock up 2,000 kids- you did
    I did not cause 4,000 “incidents” in Labor detention centers- you did
    I did not say young looking kids should be sent to Manus Island as a deterrent- you did
    etc etc etc

  159. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2015 7:14 pm

    etc etc etc

    LINK!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 7:21 pm

    This month’s Australian Women’s Weekly

    Jesus fkn wept … “we will turn back the boats and whoever said, “suffer the little children to come unto me” must have been a right Fuckwit° … apparently?

    Oh, the hypocrisy!

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 7:34 pm

    suffer the little children to come unto me” must have been a right Fuckwit

    Talking about children TB, this is what your vote caused in 2007.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    The youngest-looking children were sent to a harsh refugee detention camp to send a message of deterrence to other asylum seekers, an inquiry has heard. …..Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    Now that is an abomination.

    Brought to you by TB of Queensland and the immoral govt he voted for in 2007

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2015 7:44 pm

    Kneel, you weren’t around when I gave that government a hard time …

    BTW … its now 2015 … do keep up …

  163. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2015 8:10 pm

    Kneel, you weren’t around when I gave that government a hard time …

    I was around and you voted for a govt that did this

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard….Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    An abomination. No excuse is permitted. And it is what happens when you vote ALP.

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 9:57 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/abbott-to-pay-price-for-woeful-judgment-over-bronwyn-bishop/story-e6frg6n6-1227470209650

    …With many MPs genuinely thinking there is nothing wrong with using our money to attend grand finals and other sporting events interstate simply because they tack on “official business” that could have been done over the phone, let’s hope the announced review of entitlements stamps this practice out.

    Equally, let’s hope the review establishes that if MPs attend political fundraisers, the party bears travel and accommodation costs.

    Abbott announced Bishop’s ­departure in conjunction with the review to give himself cover from his mishandling of the situation…

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/how-it-all-turned-bad-for-the-abbott-government-20150804-gir4p5#ixzz3hwJtdbGl

    …In the past 48 hours the Abbott government, eager to emerge from the mire of Bronwyn Bishop’s travel largesse, a has fallen foul of the ACTU, the Business Council of Australia, Indigenous elders and the Victorian government…

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 5, 2015 11:51 pm

    Cut negative gearing, trim capital gains tax concession and save $9 billion, Parliamentary Budget Office says:

    …”No credible argument exists to justify why the creation of wealth through assets should be taxed at a different rate than the creation of wealth through income,” he said. “The data shows the vast majority of the benefits go to the wealthy. By income alone, 73 per cent of capital gains discounts go to the top 10 per cent of households.”…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cut-negative-gearing-trim-capital-gains-tax-concession-and-save-9-billion-parliamentary-budget-office-says-20150804-girj31.html#ixzz3hwrCdgjz

  166. Low-Hanging Fruit permalink
    August 6, 2015 12:28 am

    Abbott wants to kill the issue and carry on. Both major parties have embarrassing entitlement breaches yet to be fully ventilated.

    It will be the minor parties and independents who will lead the push for reform, as well as the media, bloggers and fed-up citizens.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-and-the-expenses-row-hands-out-of-the-cookie-jar-20131011-2vdvi.html#ixzz3hwvvD5Gq

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2015 10:19 am

    First Bishop, then Bronwyn Bourke and Bronwyn O’Connor.

    Now Hanson-Young partying at the Mardi Gras at taxpayer expense. She should go down for that. In fact she probably did!

    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a08ae8c9b677f2102e1d5d86f4a46716

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2015 11:16 am

    Business as usual in Unionland:

    Two women who made bullying allegations against male coll­eagues were allegedly warned by a senior Maritime Union of Australia official of past rapes, bashings and even a murder in retaliation for dobbing.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 12:25 pm

    Those union guys have some very important things to worry about, and window dressing like lawful behaviour and respect for women will have to wait.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2015 1:19 pm

    I’d take a guess that there are many more “business bosses” intimidate, harass and bully people in the workplace than “union bosses” …

    And I’d take another guess that “union bosses” in general have helped and assisted far more workers than any “business bosses” have …

    Blinkers off girls … your obsession is showing … Unions BOO!

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 1:31 pm

    More proof that Gillard just makes stuff up, is habitually dishonest and sometimes even gets caught.

    The former prime minister Julia Gillard has apologised to Senator Nick Xenophon for a claim she made about his university days in her political memoir My Story.
    Gillard tweeted on Thursday she had apologised to Xenophon after she took out a paid advertisement in some newspapers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/06/julia-gillard-apologises-for-very-hurtful-claims-about-nick-xenophon-in-memoir

    While I wasn’t particularly keen on Rudd, he had far more intelligence and was more ethical than any of the recent options.

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 1:36 pm

    I’d take a guess …”

    …and I’d take a guess that your guess would be wrong.

    Workers these days have specific and legislated rights about workplace bullying, and these days workers are aware of those rights.

    What are the specific and legislated rights regarding union bullying and intimidation?

  173. August 6, 2015 1:50 pm

    “”I’d take a guess that your guess would be wrong.”””

    chuckle.

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2015 1:58 pm

    What are the specific and legislated rights regarding union bullying and intimidation?

    You don’t know? FMD!

    We should have a RC on business leader intimidation and find out … you have, as usual, no real knowledge of what goes on in the workplace particularly when you get to the bottom floor of the lift …

    … right now I have a family member and her colleague being bullied by senior management of a major bank – employed by them for over 15 years … and the son of a friend who has been verbally assaulted – no witness of course …

    If you think it doesn’t happen you’ve got yer head up yer arse …

    Complain about yer boss? … and even you can figure out what happens!

    They’re not all empathetic like you me and Wally!!!!!

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 2:07 pm

    ***sigh***

    Remember how reference to “James’ mates” was ridicule?

    Now we have TB’s mates as the authority.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2015 2:46 pm

    Now we have TB’s mates as the authority.

    Nope, personal anecdotal evidence … and thanks for comparing me to James …

    Those union guys have some very important things to worry about, and window dressing like lawful behaviour and respect for women will have to wait.

    All I’m pointing out is that Management should have the same scrutiny as some union bosses … I’ve dealt with both types too.

    And the “legal” recourse is not as easy as you make out – having tackled three cases personally for my family … one employer being the Defence Force, you’ll recall.

    We did win all three … but it is a long and painful business …

    It’s not alright to blanket all union leadership with silly scaremongering based on a few recalcitrants … but the majority do a tough job, well … as do most managers and supervisors … but there are arseholes in all walks of life … not just unions … BOO!

    And I’m sure your not so naïve as to believe that people always take advantage of their legal options … many workers simply don’t know what they are … where they can get help … or they are misguided by management …

    The whole thrust of the attack on unions isn’t to improve the IR system but to destroy the ALP foundation and remove any opposition to Tyrant Abbott … or just typical nasty Liberal revenge …

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2015 3:06 pm

    The information coming out now is about Unionland corruption and thuggery. That is not an excuse to say at every opportunity that others are just as bad. Hell it is not even relevant.

    The first order of business is to get to the bottom of the Unionland/Bikie cartel. And it is not just one isolated union. We heard about the HSU and the AWU and the CFMEU and now it is the MUA. Sounds more like business as usual in Unionland.

    We really do need some strong legislation imposing fiduciary duties and duties of disclosure on Union officials. This is more important nowadays when union officials are from a different class and social background to actual workers and are mainly there to advance their own political careers. Just look at the background of most members of caucus! These days a union is a life-support system for the cunts running the show.

  178. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2015 6:22 pm

    The information coming out now is about Unionland corruption and thuggery.

    Information? At best, allegations, mostly exposed as smears. I recall the “Union Thug” who got dropped from the White Ribbon organisation after a smear, and then quickly re-instated when the smear was shown for what it was. So keep smearing (without attribution I note 😉 ) and keep looking stoopid.

    The first order of business is to get to the bottom of the Unionland/Bikie cartel.

    They did remember ROFL

  179. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2015 6:30 pm

    But the real story mostly didn’t make the news reports, mainly because it didn’t fit with the anti-union narrative.

    In an extraordinary 38 minutes of cross-examination on Thursday afternoon, Fontana’s story fell apart.

    Under questioning from counsel for the CFMEU, John Agius SC, Fontana:

    • Admitted he had never attempted to contact the CFMEU to discuss concerns about organised crime links or to jointly attempt “cultural change”.
    • Was unaware that the CFMEU had a policy against the use of outlaw motorcycle gangs to collect debts.
    • Had decided building unions needed a “complete overhaul” without ever speaking to them.
    • Revealed that there has never been a CFMEU official charged, or even arrested, in relation to corruption, blackmail or extortion.
    • Admitted he had exaggerated the number of union officials alleged to have been involved in criminal activities – and later admitted he was wrong in claiming that the man, a member of the Comancheros bikie gang, worked for the CFMEU (the man is in fact not even a current financial member of the union).
    • Conceded that the only real evidence police had of bikie gang connections to the CFMEU was one photo of a member of the Comancheros at a public meeting attended by union officials.
    • Admitted having no concrete evidence that bikie gangs had engaged in debt collecting on behalf of the union, and that most allegations brought to police about the CFMEU are anecdotal and end up going nowhere.
    • Admitted that police are as concerned about crime links to directors of labour hire and building companies as they are about the union – but omitted to mention that in his written statement.

    When asked to provide more evidence to back some of his allegations, Fontana insisted he could not do so because matters were under investigation.

    http://workinglife.org.au/2014/09/22/the-turc-story-the-media-didnt-tell-you/

    Yea, I think some bikies might work in construction. BOO! lol

    … or just typical nasty Liberal revenge …

    Oh no, their main aim is always to line the pockets of the business, and screw the worker.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2015 7:21 pm

    The information coming out now is about Unionland corruption and thuggery. That is not an excuse to say at every opportunity that others are just as bad. Hell it is not even relevant.

    Talk about one-eyed and narrow-minded and I suspect a hidden agenda …

    Well that tells me the discussion is pointless so I’ll leave it there …

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 7:46 pm

    There are so many examples of union officials-
    * using their positions primarily to advance their personal interests/careers
    * taking bribes
    * using intimidation and stand over tactics

    …it is pointless to suggest that this RC is just a beat up.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2015 8:29 pm

    Apparently some people are interested in a cricket game.

    I really can’t see the point.

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2015 8:57 pm

  184. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2015 9:07 pm

    …it is pointless to suggest that this RC is just a beat up.

    This RC is just a beat up.

    No, that wasn’t pointless, it is a fact.

    almost $100million dollars to expose … what. That vic cops are both inept AND biased against Unions?

    We saw how much they support racists.

    Which reminds me, I read this earlier today, and had to laugh. The best comedy is always based in fact.

    A misogynist, a racist and a homophobe walk into a bar.
    The bartender says” What are you having tony?”

  185. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2015 9:37 pm

    lolz the Aussie cricket team.

  186. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2015 9:42 pm

    The inconvenient truth of the penalty rates debate is that, far from being destroyed by penalty rates as employers and right-wing lobbyists claim, Australia’s cafe and restaurant sector is booming and in recent years has been one of Australia’s fastest-growing sectors and employers.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/07/the-dirty-secret-of-penalty-rate-opponents-business-is-booming/

    But yabot wants to take away their penalty rates. So he can have a cheaper coffee at church?

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2015 10:08 pm

    What we’ve come to expect of an abbott corp report – nonsense.

    It’s nonsense to believe more flexibility leads to greater productivity:
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/aug/06/its-nonsense-to-believe-more-flexibility-leads-to-greater-productivity?CMP=soc_568

    …The Productivity Commission’s draft report on workplace relations is a weird document that seems at odds with itself. It suggests things are going well and then tries to find reasons to justify making changes.

    The report is not really a savage attack on workers’ rights, but it certainly has the potential to be the starting point for such an attack. Perhaps its best short review was by Scott Steel, an economist for Queensland’s public sector union, who said it showed the “naivety of the technocrat”.

    Rather humorously, the Productivity Commission acknowledges that it’s incongruous for a commission focused on productivity to examine workplace relations.

    It notes that “there is little robust evidence that the different variants of WR systems over the last 20 years have had detectable effects on measured economy-wide productivity”…

    …Instead the report argues that the lack of any link between workplace relations and productivity “does not mean there are no effects” but just that they can’t prove them because of “the myriad of other factors shaping productivity”.

    That kind of reasoning underpins a fair bit of the report…

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2015 10:16 pm

    I think this was Essential polling in Jan 2015

    “…81% think that people who are required to work outside of normal hours should receive a higher hourly rate of pay and 13% think they should not. There has been no change of opinion on this issue since this question was asked in May 2013.

    A large majority of all demographic and voter groups agree that worker should receive higher rates for working outside normal hours – although Labor voters (91%) and Greens voters (91%) are somewhat more likely to support this than Liberal/National voters (69%)…”

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2015 10:32 pm

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2015 10:33 pm

  191. public toilet permalink
    August 6, 2015 11:02 pm

    Go England!

    *guffaw

  192. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 9:01 am

    It suggests things are going well and then tries to find reasons to justify making changes.

    Well, quite obviously, they can’t keep screaming “the sky is falling” when it is obvious it isn’t, so they have changed tact. But, the end result is the same, kick those at the bottom.

    There was once a time when Comcars were made in Adelaide & #Geelong.

    Seeing yabot come running here the other day with promises that mean shit made me wonder. Did they not really foresee the avalanche of unemployment they were unleashing when they killed the car industry and tried to kill the subs? Did they really become so blinded by their determination to kill Unions that the actual effects of their position were ignored.

    And I came to the conclusion, yes, of course they didn’t. They are ideologues steered by powerful forces who might have foreseen, but their puppets didn’t.

    And now it is coming home to roost.

    More than 100 skilled shipbuilders will be made redundant in the Williamstown naval dockyard as early as next week after the federal government’s shipbuilding plan failed to offer immediate work to the dying Victorian shipyard.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/williamstown-shipbuilders-to-lose-jobs-as-work-runs-dry/story-e6frg8yo-1227471741911?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Twitter

  193. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 9:05 am

    hehehehe

  194. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 9:22 am

    And I note the abc has buckled to the PM’s demand to move QandA to the news division.

    As I someone quip, they bowed to his demands so they can keep their independence.

  195. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:09 am

    Did they not really foresee the avalanche of unemployment they were unleashing when they killed the car industry

    It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who killed the car industry. Local production went from 25% to 10% in just 6 years under Labor.

    TomR- telling lies helps nobody. Certainly not the unemployed auto workers.

    And the auto industry left for the same reason all our other manufacturing left since the 1970’s.

  196. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:26 am

    Local production went from 25% to 10% in just 6 years under Labor.

    And a mssive intake of foreign competition occured. We are one of the most open markets, an yet, Holden were still one of the top sellers.

    Playing with figures doesn’t change the fact that, under a Labor Government, we would still have a car industry.

    The death lies squarely at the feet of the libs.

    The case was made, with specific numbers, of what was required from the Government to keep Holden viable against such heavy international subsidies against which they operated.

    The libs told them to fuck off!

    While continuing to heavily subsidise international corporations like miners and local, lazy, tax payer bloated services like accountants.

  197. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:29 am

    TomR

    What an awful man you are. Telling lies for political purposes helps nobody.

  198. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:39 am

    What an awful man you are.

    Ouch. That truly hurts 😦

  199. armchair opionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:44 am

  200. Talegate permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:45 am

    What an awful man you are. Telling lies for political purposes .

    Wan’t that Godwin Grech? Seconded Senior Treasury Officer beavering away in the bowels of the Office of Prime Minister to secure increasingly scarce and increasingly costly wholesale credit for supply to car retailers up against the wall in the midsts of a pronounced Credit Crunch?

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:50 am

    Tom R and Neil: peas in a pod.

  202. armchair opionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 10:53 am

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:04 am

    Tom R and Neil: peas in a pod.

    I gave my answer to that comment

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/02/bronwyn-bishop-dumped-as-parliamentary-speaker/#comment-111892

    PS I did not destroy the auto industry- you did.

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:05 am

    By the way Splatterbum you voted for Rudd in 2007 and created all these problems.

  205. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:12 am

    OK then. Tom R is a superior troll and obviously smarter than Neil (who isn’t?). But why does Tom R get down in the sewer to argue with him?

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:28 am

    Sorry Splatter bum you voted for this. The obvious outcome for everybody who votes LABOR

    The youngest-looking children were sent to a harsh refugee detention camp to send a message of deterrence to other asylum seekers, an inquiry has heard. …..Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    May you rot in hell.

  207. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:33 am

    But why does Tom R get down in the sewer to argue with him?

    Because you don’t argue, you just dump’n’run?

  208. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:34 am

    lol AO, from the Guardian

    the federal court set aside the federal approval for the Carmichael mine because the environment minister, Greg Hunt, had not fully assessed its impact on two vulnerable species

    And according to yabot, that’s the courts fault?

    Why is he not being lambasted for a fool, instead of having his utterances repeated as if they have some kind of place in a valid debate?

  209. Applied Subjectivism permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:37 am

    May you rot in hell.

    “The way that immigration detention centres are run, particularly now under a deterrent framework, is designed to construct an environment where people are used as examples to say `you’re subject to this – it’s going to be worse for you to be in Australia than it as to be where you came from’.”

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:55 am

    Ignorant, patronising, prick … Tony The Tyrant!

    Mr Abbott told reporters in Tasmania on Friday he wanted to give the ABC a “pat on the back for doing the right thing” and looked forward to coalition frontbenchers reappearing on the program.

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:55 am

    I think the discussion between Tom R and Neil is sensational entertainment.

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 11:57 am

    “Because you don’t argue, you just dump’n’run?”

    I try not to argue with trolls. It is utterly pointless. You are the exception, being a master of the art, but even then I feel dirty after trying to set you to rights.

    Do you actually work for the party or as a staffer or something like that? At first I thought you merely regurgitated the ALP talking points but I suspect you actually write them! 🙂

  213. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:03 pm

    I try not to argue with trolls.

    lol, says the “poster” who claims there is a “Unionland/Bikie cartel” then shuts up without so much as an acknowledgement about it, because we know the same bullshit claim will be made again in the not too distant future.

    There’s a name for hat sort of behaviour. I’ll do a google search and see what I find 😉

    I think the discussion between Tom R and Neil is sensational entertainment.

    But yomm doesn’t want to go near it, because he KNOWS the car industries demise lies at the feet of the worst grubmint this country has ever seen, and is ever likely to see.

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:04 pm

    Ignorant, patronising, prick … Tony The Tyrant!

    No. The ABC is out of control or so i am told. i actually do not watch the ABC but i trust the people who say it is out of control to believe them.

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:06 pm

    because he KNOWS the car industries demise lies at the feet of the worst grubmint this country has ever seen, and is ever likely to see.

    I agree. Our auto industry was destroyed by Rudd/Gillard

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:10 pm

    The obliviously unself-aware Guy Rundle sprouts a modern manifestation of the “I don’t understand how Reagan won because I don’t know a single person who voted for him” meme:

    Andrew Bolt, Miranda Devine and Rita Panahi talk in a language no one understands anymore.

  217. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:15 pm

    Our auto industry was destroyed by Rudd/Gillard

    Then why were factories still operating and planning for the future under them?

  218. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:17 pm

    Then perhaps you sb can answer the question “why the Oz has abandoned Bolt and the populist right”?

  219. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:20 pm

    Well done Lenore Taylor

    In yet another passionate defence of coal (in an interview with the Australian newspaper), Tony Abbott has made so many inaccurate and questionable claims it’s hard to know where to start. Here are some of his statements, juxtaposed with facts.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/07/tony-abbotts-defence-of-the-carmichael-coalmine-is-passionate-but-baseless

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 12:57 pm

    Well, hasn’t Tony Bourke come out of this with a great and improved reputation (for rorting)

  221. August 7, 2015 1:21 pm

    You know you’re rooted when your mates at the Australian start calling for your scalp…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/abbott-to-pay-price-for-woeful-judgment-over-bronwyn-bishop/story-e6frg6n6-1227470209650

  222. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 1:59 pm

    Well, hasn’t Tony Bourke come out of this with a great and improved reputation

    Nobody has come out of this with an improved reputation.

    This is the yabot effect.

    Instead of an investigation into pollies perks, it has become a witch hunt, instigated by yabot and his mis-handling of the situation.

    It appears that business class is the form of travel the paper work chooses when lodging it.

    Should this be changed, possibly. Will it. of course not.

    We even have the instigator of this trying to tell us that party fundraisers should be part of the entitlements. Now that is un-defendable. I found it strange enough that Labor pollies were all entitled to claim for attending the ALP Conference, but apparently, party conferences ARE entitlements (fundraisers aren’t, and could never seriously be argued that they are.)

    (for rorting)

    Apart from $90 for a ticket (which is debatable according to him) what has he “rorted”

    True, he should be castigated for attending a Robbie Williams concert, especially considering AC/DC are still touring, so options were available. 😉

  223. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:07 pm

    “Nobody has come out of this with an improved reputation.

    This is the yabot effect.”

    In fact it is the consequence of grasping piggie politicians caught with their snouts in the trough.

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:13 pm

    …and Tony Bourne must really be pleased that now the conversation has turned to the first class trips that he and his (potential) lover had, while he was married to the woman getting only business class holidays!

    Not that there is anything wrong with any of that!

  225. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:14 pm

    caught with their snouts in the trough.

    See, when you say “snouts in the trough.” that implies it is a pattern of behaviour.

    Burke hasn’t really portrayed a “pattern” has he?

    Unlike bornnie and slipper before her, and yabot himself, who is a serial offender.

    It’s not a good look, for sure, but when the details are examined, it is also quite above board.

    Now, if that board wants to be changed, then make the case, and do it.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:32 pm

    Burke hasn’t really portrayed a “pattern” has he?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/02/bronwyn-bishop-dumped-as-parliamentary-speaker/#comment-111713

    Mr Burke made 15 separate repayments involving family travel totalling nearly seven thousand dollars

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:34 pm

    “a pattern of behaviour”

    “Italy and Spain were the favoured destinations of Tony Burke when he embarked on a ministerial travel extravaganza that included first-class flights with senior staffer Skye Laris, who is now his partner.”

    Lefties in love are soooo cute!

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:34 pm

    You couldn’t make this shit up! (Well Home & Away would be the exception!)

    And it would be really funny if it wasn’t true!

    Leaners and thieves the fkn lot of ’em!

    And its pretty obvious Crissy Pyne doesn’t go into too many pubs! Of course! The Private Bar!

    IT would almost be a beautiful love story if it wasn’t part of such an extraordinary rort.

    The matchmaking taxpayers of Australia have unwittingly sponsored a series of luxurious European jaunts that may have allowed love to blossom between MP Tony Burke and his then chief of staff, Skye Laris.

    The politician, who led the attack on former speaker Bronwyn Bishop over the expense claims that brought on her resignation has himself come under fire for filing expenses that even he admits are “beyond community expectations”.

    The Australian has uncovered the latest batch of entitlement claims bound to enrage taxpayers, when in 2009 the then Labor frontbencher charged $48,951 for a six-day ministerial trip to Europe, including first-class flights for a senior adviser.

    That staffer was Ms Laris, who is now Mr Burke’s partner and officially registered as his spouse …

    … He also found an unlikely ally in Cabinet minister Christopher Pyne, who unexpectedly came to his defence saying there’s no point in taking potshots at individual cases …

    … Mr Pyne also defended his own spending in claiming $7000 to fly his family business class to Canberra to see him being sworn in at the opening of parliament in 2013.

    “I don’t see any great benefit of having a running commentary on MPs’ entitlements,” Mr Pyne told Nine on Friday.

    Mr Pyne said his expense claim did pass the pub test and was within the rules.

    “I haven’t done anything wrong.”

    Fuck ’em all … !

    1% of the global population own 50% of the wealth … 50% of the global population own 1% of the wealth …

    This place is becoming sicker and sicker each day …

    Eventually that cyst is going to explode!

    Woe betide the Robber Baron’s when it does!

  229. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:36 pm

    Mr Burke made 15 separate repayments

    And how many has yabot made?

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:37 pm

    In fact it is the consequence of grasping piggie politicians caught with their snouts in the trough.

    And Tony Burke (Bourne – chuckle) with his pants down it would seem … 😉

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:38 pm

    Yep, that Tony Bourke is clean as a whistle!

    • Misheard/misunderstood travel expense requirements to the extent that he had to pay back 15 claims. No, he wasn’t ever trying to rort, he’s just not that type of guy.
    • Took his family on all expenses paid business class holidays to Cairns and Uluru. That’s no rort, the kids of politicians shouldn’t have to travel with the plebs
    • Took his (potential) mistress/lover on a first class jaunt to Europe, and everyone knows that (potential) mistresses/lovers should never travel unless they’re in the first class cabin.

    GO THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!!

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:40 pm

    Negative Gearing! RORT!
    Trust Funds! RORT!
    Multinational Tax! RORT!
    Superannuation Welfare for the Rich! RORT!
    Pollies’ Perqs! RORT!

    So who are the fkn LEANERS again?

    Where are all the Nick Zylophones?

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:41 pm

    ““why the Oz has abandoned Bolt and the populist right”?”

    The Oz has always presented a range of opinions which is why it is the best paper in the country. Rusted on hacks like Rundle can’t even begin to understand that non-ideologues have a range of opinions and, shock horror, sometimes even change their minds.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:45 pm

    And why do politicians think they are the only people who have to work away from home for extended periods FFS?

    They are “speshul” only in one way …

    I’ve asked this question before … ever wondered why there are so many multi millionaires playing politician?

    This voter has never seen a bunch of Parliamentarians destroy this country so much … and there’s been a few try!

    Even bloody Joh Bjelke Peterson would have been better! And he was the biggest fkn crook of all!

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:45 pm

    The Oz has always presented a range of opinions which is why it is the best paper in the country.

    Chortle!

  236. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:46 pm

    he had to pay back 15 claims

    And Gillard paid back 10 times, for $438 for taxi fares 10X

    Like I said, the details, and the manner they are paid back, count. Internal audits that uncover actual mistakes happen all the time. But the lurkers at ltdnews don’t distinguish

    That’s no rort, the kids of politicians shouldn’t have to travel with the plebs

    Like I said, argue that or not, but it is within (and the default) for entitlements

    The Oz has always presented a range of opinions

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  237. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 2:53 pm

    And why do politicians think they are the only people who have to work away from home for extended periods FFS?

    I AGREE!

    Many jobs require a lot of time away from the family, and they are not as well remunerated as our pollies are.

    Somehow, I don’t think any “review” under the likes of yabot is going to achieve anything.

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:13 pm

    This is how pollies live large:

    1. Ditch the wife.
    2. Take up with a staffer.
    3. Promote her to Chief of Staff.
    4. Root your way around the world first class courtesy of the Australian taxpayer.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:25 pm

    Somehow, I don’t think any “review” under the likes of yabot is going to achieve anything.

    I think you mean a review by anyone living in Canberra – Sydney – or Melbourne, TR …

    I was manager in the Electricity Commission in PNG and the buggers used to try it on all the time … the expats I mean!!!

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:26 pm

    1. Ditch the wife.
    2. Take up with a staffer.
    3. Promote her to Chief of Staff.
    4. Root your way around the world first class courtesy of the Australian taxpayer.

    Does Mrs Abbott know?

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:31 pm

    🙂 @ TB.

    Hardly a unique story I think! But surely Abbo isn’t meddlin’ with Credlin?

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:43 pm

    Malcolm Farr get’s pretty close to the “truth”! Pity Crissy don’t!

    The post-Bishop truce between the Coalition and the ALP on travel expense claims which The Australian today calculated cost taxpayers 35.4 million last year is aimed at halting tit-for-tat accusations which would damage both sides.

    “I don’t see any great benefit of having a running commentary on MPs’ entitlements,” said Mr Pyne.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declined comment until a review of expenses he ordered Sunday is completed in a few months.

    Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop, who refuses to fly first class even when offered free upgrades by airlines, today said it was a matter of common sense and judgment for all MPs.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/politicians-and-the-people-a-fundamental-disconnect/story-fn5tas5k-1227474183520

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hardly a unique story I think! But surely Abbo isn’t meddlin’ with Credlin?

    Who would know? We get so much “operational secrecy” shite in this “democracy” …

    I do know that Tony The Terrorist and his Chief of Staff are meddlin’ with the rest of us …

  243. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:51 pm

    I think you mean a review by anyone living in Canberra – Sydney – or Melbourne, TR …

    History tells us that is true. Labor apparently did one 5 years ago, but I don’t recall any changes coming from it?

  244. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 3:52 pm

    Who would know?

    To be honest, I don’t bloody well want to know.

  245. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 4:17 pm

    Open For Business?

    US solar service giant Sungevity has decided to quit the Australian market, another apparent victim of investor nervousness about the constantly changing policy environment for clean energy in Australia.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/us-solar-giant-sungevity-quits-australia-expands-in-europe-82342

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 4:18 pm

    The Oz has always presented a range of opinions which is why it is the best paper in the country…

    Yes, they range from far right to extreme right views! 😉

    …The matchmaking taxpayers of Australia have unwittingly sponsored a series of luxurious European jaunts that may have allowed love to blossom between MP Tony Burke and his then chief of staff, Skye Laris…

    Why do the CoS and other staff fly first class or business class anyway? Get them down the back with the families, our largesse should extend to one business class fare, staffers should expect to be in cattle class. Stop the entitlement!

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 4:58 pm

    “I don’t see any great benefit of having a running commentary on MPs’ entitlements,” said Mr Pyne.

    I’m sure he wouldn’t…for his sake.

    Expenses row: Christopher Pyne singed by ‘witch trials’
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/expenses-row-christopher-pyne-singed-by-witch-trials/story-fn59niix-1227471727103

    Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne, who warned yesterday against a “Salem witch trial” over politicians’ travel entitlements­, charged taxpayers $7785 to fly his wife and four children business-class return from Adelaide to Canberra.

    Those flights, taken in November 2013, cost $1558 for each family member return, totalling as much as Labor frontbencher Tony Burke’s business-class family travel to Uluru a year earlier. The news puts Mr Pyne in an awkward position, given the federal government has attacked Mr Burke’s decision to fly his children business class rather than economy.

    This really is the high life, these people act like they are celebrities and VIP’s. It’s easy to big note when you don’t pay for a single cent of it yourselves

    Revealed: Christopher Pyne’s $30k jaunt to London and Rome with his wife that was paid for by taxpayers… including $1300 to wait at the hotel the day they flew home
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765257/Christopher-Pynes-30K-jaunt-London-Rome-paid-taxpayers.html

    Education Minister Christopher Pyne has come under scrutiny after documents detailing a $30,00 taxpayer-funded trip overseas have come to light.
    In April of this year Mr Pyne and his wife Carolyn travelled to London and Rome despite ministers’ spouses generally not being allowed on such trips without an explicit invitation.
    The Department of Education have no record of any invitations for Mrs Pyne to any of the events the pair attended, though Tony Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin approved Mrs Pyne’s trip anyway, the Sydney Morning Herald report…

    …The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet’s guidelines for travel state: ‘It is not sufficient to include the spouse in the minister’s existing program of meetings. The travel must be justified and defensible’.
    Ms Credlin is said to have approved the travel based on a: ‘significant representational aspect of the travel’…

    …Mr Pyne also spent more than $2000 at Heathrow Airport on a VIP Suite which involved services such as being greeted at the airport by staff, limousine transfers, and being processed through security away from the general public…

    …Scones, croissants, coffee and a further $2000 allocated for Mr Pyne’s travel while he was in London were also added to the bill…

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 5:10 pm

    …That’s no rort, the kids of politicians shouldn’t have to travel with the plebs…

    They don’t have to, they can choose to upgrade to business, but the pollie can pay for the difference between cattle and business class themselves, if we really must fund travel for their kids at all [which i don’t think we should]. What other job gets the family of the employee flown all over the place at whim?

    These are rorts that the pollies have gathered up over the years, quietly and with bipartisan agreement, deliberately giving themselves the life of riley on public funds, it’s shameful really.

  249. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 5:56 pm

    they can choose to upgrade to business

    Actually AO, from my reasing, they have to choose not to. It is the way the entitlements scheme is run.

    Perhaps that should change. The default should be economy, and upgrade if you need to?

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 6:34 pm

    Yep. That Tony Bourne is such a man of the people. Straight out of struggle street, the way he has his (potential) mistress/lover travel first class, while his wife and kids are with the semi-plebs in business class!

    GO THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!!

  251. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:10 pm

    the way he has his (potential) mistress/lover travel first class,

    Just saw on the news, the Burke first class travel case was taken undet the normal entitlements of the time, put in by … howard.

    It was removed under the previous labor Government after the last review.

    GO THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!!

    I see the msm are going after Burke hard, seeking perhaps another “scalp”

    Tempted to ask them who paid for their extravaganza night at the lodge with their conquering hero yabot?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-private-function-an-affair-for-the-conservative-media-faithful-20131026-2w8wz.html

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:15 pm

    No one would ever expect a staffer/mistress (potential) to travel in any section of an aircraft other than the very front!

    GO THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!!

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:17 pm

    Abbott’s trying to kill this issue as fast as he can but the media and the public want more, more, more!

  254. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:19 pm

    No one would ever expect a staffer/mistress (potential) to travel in any section of an aircraft other than the very front!

    Except for the PARTY OF THE WORKERS!! that ended the extravagance.

    Abbott’s trying to kill this issue as fast as he can but the media and the public want more, more, more!

    Yep, he unleashed it, and now it’s just got a leg of it’s own.

    When will the eyes turn onto yabot himself?

    Or, as I hinted above, themselves 😉

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:36 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/07/brendan-nelson-and-harry-jenkins-to-help-lead-entitlements-review

    …Pyne defended his own decision to charge taxpayers thousands of dollars to fly his family business class from Adelaide to Canberra in late 2013 because it was “within the rules”.

    “That’s right, for the opening of parliament – because I’m the leader of the house, I’m a new cabinet minister, it is the opening of parliament, my four children joined me in Canberra,” he said.

    The Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese, who was also part of the Today show discussion, said it was “fantastic” that Pyne’s children were able to see the swearing in.

    “Those kids are not going see their dad this morning,” Albanese said…

    I agree, it is an important occasion. The pollies are [deliberately] missing the point, by all means have your family fly in to see you, they just don’t need the taxpayers to fund it, that’s all. It doesn’t seem to cross their minds that mum and dad could pay for their own kids!

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2015 7:39 pm

    Yep, he unleashed it, and now it’s just got a leg of it’s own.

    So abbott unleashed condemnation against Bishop?

    Well at least you are consistent. You are lying again.

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2015 9:43 pm

    Tony Bourke of THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS only intended to work, but that c**t Howard and the pesky system made his family have a couple of really expensive holidays and made his staffer/mistress/lover (potential) fly first class.

    F**KING HOWARD

  258. August 8, 2015 8:18 am
  259. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 9:15 am

    who in 2003 had Pauline Hanson jailed.

    Let’s not forget the pursuit of Slipper or Thomson.

    And now, he is using courts to go after Union officials rather than Industrial Tribunals.

    Interestingly, it appears the media, even ltdnews, is slowly turning against him. Several years too late, and, will they go the distance?

    I think public sentiment os so hardened agaisnt him, that even they can no longer ignore his daily brain farts, or his ongoing vendettas that ignore both science and plain common sense.

    Even the NSW bar is giving him a chiding. The only ones he still seems to have in his pocket is the now totally bereft abc

    Courts do not exist to further the interests of governments, the NSW Bar has told Prime Minister Tony Abbott, as it delivered him a sharp lesson in the separation of powers.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/adani-mine-nsw-bar-chides-tony-abbott-over-sabotage-comments-20150807-giuc8c.html#ixzz3iAqXHkxy
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    If/when Labor get back in, they need to clean out everything at the top of the abc and start again.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2015 10:39 am

    Notice all the ministers have their heads even more up their arses lately been keeping a really low profile …

    When was the last time Jhockey surfaced …?

  261. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 11:16 am

    This is truly appalling, and not just because of the loss of investment in emerging industries that were primed to replace outdated ones.

    The contrast with what happened in Australia this week could hardly have been more stark. The same day Obama announced his plan to cut greenhouse gases from the US electricity sector, we got new figures from the energy consultants Pitt & Sherry, who monitor emissions from Australia’s National Electricity Market. They showed a big increase.

    Carbon dioxide emissions for May and June were up by an annualised 1.2 per cent, or about two million tonnes. The figures represented a sharp acceleration in the trend to higher emissions that has been apparent since the Abbott government scrapped the carbon price.

    The cause wasn’t increased demand; it was that Australia’s electricity grid was getting more of its power from coal. Generation from hydro was down and other renewables were flat – investment in wind and solar has been moribund due to the uncertainty about the future of the renewable energy target.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/08/08/filthy-secrets-shroud-austs-emissions-reduction-plans/14389560002225

  262. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 11:46 am

    When was the last time Jhockey surfaced …?

    In all honesty, he was hidden away pretty soon after the last budget went burning down in flames.

    The question is, will he get a shot at three?

    So abbott unleashed condemnation against Bishop?

    No, bronnie unleashed that. yabot let it build into a crescendo instead of cutting it off early, and then, to compound the stupid, announced a “review” which simply re-focussed the msm directly when a good politician should have been diverting (or trying to divert) them elsewhere. And then by bringing Burke into it (which could have just been abetz without yabots knowledge), off course that just started a war the libs quickly realised they don’t want.

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2015 11:55 am

    … and then, to compound the stupid

    Par for the course … every decision this government has made has been disastrous … adults in charge is more like kindy kids at play …

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2015 12:20 pm

    No, bronnie unleashed that. yabot let it build into a crescendo instead of cutting it off early,

    And what was he supposed to do? Only the Parliament can remove the Speaker. The PM has no authority.

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2015 12:26 pm

    I see TB, so there are less than 50 unions in Australia, for such small number, there is a high rate of bulling, intimidation, assault and use of stand over tactics.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2015 12:27 pm

    “bullying”

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2015 1:15 pm

    … for such small number, there is a high rate of bulling, intimidation, assault and use of stand over tactics.

    Link?

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2015 1:36 pm

    What? You post a single example of a fraudulent local/suburban bank manager, and use this to suggest that unions are unfairly targeted, and I’m the one who is supposed to provide the link.

    You do the maths TB. There are 46 unions affiliated with the ACTU, given the small number, unions must have about the highest per capita level of complaint for harassment, bullying, intimidation and stand over tactics of any organisation.

    That’s the problems with union apologists, for 46 unions, every example of unethical conduct is excused as “isolated”. How many “isolated” examples are required before people come to the conclusion tat it represents a poor, entrenched culture?

  269. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 1:36 pm

    there is a high rate of bulling, intimidation, assault and use of stand over tactics.

    I think you left out the words “allegations of” in there yomm 😉

    And, considering the amount of workplaces the Unions are involved with, and, considering their involvement generally comes as the RESULT of a dispute, then yes, their will be much friction.

    Link?

    He’ll prob just point to the #turc, which is littered with allegations, one or two proven, many left hanging, and a large number proven to be plain bullshit.

  270. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 1:43 pm

    unions must have about the highest per capita level of complaint for harassment

    Can you name another organisation whose job it is to arbitrate between two sides without the power of a law enforcement society?

    Their job is to get between arguing parties, of course there will be claims of which you say, especially when one side is going to lose out because of that interaction.

    Why not look at the number of claims, and align that with the number of cases that are actually proven. It’s almost got to the point of the “boy who cried wolf”

    And so many times, it turns out the most intimidating and bullying is on the side of the employer, against the Union.

    Do you recall the South African jackboots howard employed on the docks?

    And how much better is our productivity now?

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2015 2:32 pm

    You do the maths TB.

    I don’t need to and you haven’t .. just speculation and another emotional outburst … I could easily find other examples and you know that … I’m not an apologist for unions (I’ve had enough fights with arsehole secretaries) but nor do I blanket smear the whole union movement …

    I’ve gone to bat for my troops over the years with line management, senior management and on one occasion a board of directors who being told more than one untruth …

    … eliminate unions from IR and only one group of people will suffer … if you can’t see that then you really are very narrow minded …

    Don’t know about you but I’ll make sure my family will not be exploited in any way I can … whether it be rogue manager or rogue union rep!

  272. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 3:53 pm

    … eliminate unions from IR and only one group of people will suffer … if you can’t see that then you really are very narrow minded …

    I’m pretty sure yomm can see that TB, but, considering the side yomm has taken in his life, and where his bread is buttered, it won’t be his group suffering.

    And how much better is our productivity now?

    I probably worded that badly, as I think productivity has risen, but the cost of doing business through the ports hasn’t changed, So basically, more of the money is now going directly to the companies managing the ports.

  273. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 3:59 pm

    And I see the witch hunt hasn’t moved on at all (who could have seen that coming)

    Fairfax Media understands royal commission investigators have targeted a new batch of documents relevant to Mr Shorten’s negotiations with Thiess John Holland over the EastLink project in the mid-2000s.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/shorten-faces-new-grilling-over-awu-deals-20150807-gitzvk.html#ixzz3iCTVBQt2
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    The real question here though is, how has supposedly secret documents from an ongoing “royal commission” found its way into the media’s grubby hands?

    And to think that just yesterday we had yabot carping on about if the “courts can be turned into a means of sabotage”

    Yet he has turned a “royal commission” into a means of sabotage.

    “But he’s got the biggest, balls of them all”

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2015 4:07 pm

    “I’ve gone to bat for my troops over the years …”

    Why would I believe that, unless you provide a link or some evidence?

  275. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2015 4:10 pm

    unless you provide a link or some evidence?

    I think it’s called “a taste of your own medicine” 😉

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2015 4:22 pm

  277. August 8, 2015 7:05 pm

    “May you rot in hell.”

    If you believe in such a place, or indeed such a destiny for people who don’t share your opinions, that explains a lot of the nonsense you spout.

    The stuff of pure fantasy.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2015 9:24 pm

    Why do I think, Tony Terror would be a fan of the DTs …?

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/there-was-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever-trump-suggests-journalist-was-menstruating/story-fn5tas5k-1227475623946

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why would I believe that, unless you provide a link or some evidence?

    Clever, but not clever enough, you made the original claim not me … Link?

  279. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2015 9:23 am

    lolz, love what yabot has unleashed here. When, though, will the media turn their attentions not to pollies who have claimed things that are entirely under the rules, but to those who claim “volunteeering” as an expense.

    Sure, you can jiggle the facts to make a claim, but don’t bloody well then call it “volunteering”

    TREASURER Joe Hockey has proved the age of entitlement isn’t dead jetting his family to Perth on business class flights during school holidays at a total cost to taxpayers of $14,566.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/treasurer-joe-hockeys-14k-family-travel-expenses-as-kids-fly-business-class-to-perth-in-school-holidays/story-fni0cx12-1227475681052

    Of course, hockeys looks much worst than Burkes, because hockey is the asshole taking a big stick to the bottom end of town, under the precept of “we just can’t afford you”.

  280. August 9, 2015 10:09 am

    you””have, as usual, no real knowledge of what goes on in the workplace particularly when you get to the bottom floor of the lift””#correct

    ””you`ve got yer head up yer arse””#as.usual

  281. August 9, 2015 10:16 am

    abc””has buckled to the PM`s demand to move QandA to the news division””

    So l noticed team-cheerer. lt will be interesting to see TJ trying to run qandaland as a `fact-based` entity. The teabags will be fcuked.

  282. August 9, 2015 10:54 am

    Networks say they don’t really want to penalise people for leaving the

    #grid, just want to recoup their costs

    http://t.co/CLlSAZtfC2

    RenewEconomy (@renew_economy) August 7, 2015

    ””The ENA was not happy with the portrayal by RenewEconomy of its preferred choices. Rather than painting the picture as

    `we want compulsory fees and penalties for leaving the grid`,

    unless regulators agree to changing rules on depreciation (which we explain later), the ENA would much rather us have painted the picture as:

    `We want the regulator to change the rules on depreciation, otherwise the only options may be compulsory fees””

    #the east-coast has started reporting on grid abandonment, some 21-months after the west-coast govt addressed it and media reported it. Now we will start to see the teabag-panic set in, as battery-tech ramps up.

    #Let`s hope indi`s and greenz arse-fcuk `grid-corp` on every attempt of preventing consumers leaving the grid.

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2015 12:11 pm

    Yeah!!

    Hockey took his family on a business class trip to Perth for a holiday! He’s a rorter.

    BUT, where the f**k is his staffer/mistress/lover (potential)? Hardly up to the standard established by THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!
    ——-
    (where’s my personal troll?)

  284. August 9, 2015 1:11 pm

    Sunday””finds Labor leading the government 53 per cent to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.””

    #so despite all the nastiness, lies and wrecking the teabags have continually engaged in, the best team-blib can muster is still only the 50ish-percent level, surely they should be sitting at 70+% if they were even half-liked

    ””””Shorten also leads Mr Abbott 58.5 per cent to 41.5 per cent as preferred prime minister”””

    #`Leads`.? #Compared to what.? #The full-time misery-guts mr-rabbit is.

    #l bet team-blib fcuk-up that 58% soon tho, they still haven`t learned that `less`blib means `higher`poll numbers, and leaving mr-rabbit and the teabags to wallow in problems of their own making. Did anybody notice, bronny-copter was getting hammered for rorting, along comes burke to agitate, but gets tripped-up by having plenty of trough-snouting himself, now there is a conga-line of troughsnouts from both teams, all claiming `within-rules`, the same teams that decided to trash womens welfare.

    #lsn`t it wonderful, (yet-again) that both teams work together to hurt the small people and engage in lavish troughsnouting for themselves, while Xeno and Wilkie seem to be the only ones wanting proper, stricter `perk-management` on behalf of taxpayers.

  285. August 9, 2015 1:21 pm

    Just for some perspective on `perks`,

    1.mr-talkbull stated this week, pollies get 270-bucks-per-NIGHT as a `living` or `accommodation` allowance as part of their canberra-perks

    2.irate neighbor down the street told me his `unemployed`dole payment works out to be 260-bucks-per-WEEK to `survive` (with great hardship) on

    #fun.fact #so.called.democracy

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2015 1:48 pm

    Hardly up to the standard established by THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!

    In your eyes maybe … where I come from they are BOTH fkn leaners …

    Steal a dollar or steal a million … the act is the same … unless your one of those hypocritical bible bashers that seem to pollute parliaments across the country but particularly Federal!

    Although bending the rules seems to be the norm …

    They even make up words for it: confession, absolution, reconciliation, forgiveness etc; etc; etc; on and fkn on …

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2015 1:50 pm

    you’re …

  288. August 9, 2015 3:01 pm

    japantimes”””When Labor referred Bishop`s helicopter case, the AFP forwarded the matter to Finance for investigation. Treating like cases differently requires a public explanation that has not been forthcoming. Slipper’s lawyer Owen Harris commented that the fraud case that ruined his client’s health and reputation is `no-different` from the Bishop scandal.”””

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/07/commentary/world-commentary/yet-tony-abbot-shows-hes-touch/

    ,

    via

    ,

    japantimes”””The schadenfreude of the opposition Labor Party is complete. On Nov. 24, 2011, Abbott had tweeted: “The Speaker`s resignation reflects a government that is in chaos. The Govt has lost its way, lost its majority and now lost its speaker.” Abbott`s glee four years ago stemmed from the departure of then-speaker Peter Slipper. Julia Gillard had been compelled to choose him because she headed a minority government. By offering Slipper the speakership, she had weaned one more critical vote away from the opposition.

    In retrospect one wonders how much Gillard could really have achieved had she not been fatally undermined by the illegitimate political knifing of her first-term leader who had led Labor to victory against 11 years of John Howard`s government, and secondly if she had not been handicapped by a minority government.

    Abbott has neither of these two excuses. He wholly owns the folly of his decisions and has been shown to be serially lacking in policy nous and political smarts.”””

  289. August 9, 2015 3:17 pm

    japantimes is correct, oh how the irony must burn mr-rabbit, googling the text of this tweet scores thousands of hits across all kinds of platforms, twitter (obviously) facebook wordpress reddit and teabag-media #guffaw

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2015 3:32 pm

    Hockey took his family on a business class trip to Perth for a holiday! He’s a rorter ToM

    And told us all (AT THE SAME TIME!) that we were fast running out of money to finance the poor, weak, frail, schools, health, unemployed, ADF, aged … we must have had just enough for pollies to travel BUSINESS class all over the friggin’ country!

    JOE Hockey has defended flying his family business class to Perth during school holidays when he was shadow treasurer, less than five months before the 2013 federal election.

    Hardly up to the standard established by THE PARTY OF THE WORKERS!
    ——-
    ToM

    But certainly up to the standards of THE PARTY OF THE ROBBER BARONS!

    There’s standards and double standards and no standards at all …

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2015 4:14 pm

    I have never heard this before

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33839742

    The Australian government is proposing banning the sale of the popular Vegemite spread in some communities because it is used to make alcohol.

    It says the yeast-based product is contributing to anti-social behaviour in some remote communities.

    Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion described the salty spread as a “precursor to misery”.

    Is this true? Vegemite can be used to make alcohol?

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 5:10 pm

    Look out, operation flagpole is coming, save tony’s job.

    Can we bear it…again!

    …Parliament’s return next week will be dominated by the process of electing Bishop’s replacement as Speaker and much palaver about parliamentary standards.

    This will put on display the Prime Minister’s humiliating loss of control over events. Not only can he not make a Captain’s Pick for Speaker this time round, he has to make a virtue of being at the mercy of his party room in the decision about who gets this plum job.

    But this is just a potent symbol of a bigger problem for the Prime Minister and the government, whose policy agenda (whatever that now is) is hobbled in every direction. It has all the political room for manoeuvre of a broom cupboard…

    …Anyone would think it must be time to venture back in to the political safety of national security issues…

  293. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 6:08 pm

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 6:09 pm

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2015 6:37 pm

    (I’d be disappointed if my personal troll/sock puppet has given up)

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 7:46 pm

    …First order of business was the announcement about $20 billion worth of frigates in Adelaide, in a continuous build program stretching over decades.

    That works out at just over $6 billion per seat the Coalition wants to save in South Australia, or about $60,000 per voter, the kind of subsidy that puts our former largesse to the automotive industry to shame. The government once made a virtue of attacking such largesse, before discovering its political cost. Having once enthusiastically chased foreign manufacturers out of the country, the government is now enthusiastic about building things in Australia. “We have confidence that we have the workforce, we have the technology, we have the commitment, we have the capacity to do this,” the Prime Minister said about the frigate build. As Labor quickly pointed out, that prompts the question of why the government doesn’t have a similar view about our capacity to build submarines…

    Don’t forget that mirabella was appointed a Director of the Australian Submarine Corporation 2 mths after abbott won the election where voters had turfed her out of her seat.

    http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/sophie-mirabellas-asc-days-are-numbered-20150604-ghgyci

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 7:47 pm

  298. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2015 10:09 pm

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/key-votes-loom-as-tony-abbotts-unhappy-campers-traipse-back-into-canberra-20150809-giv10g

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