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Adult Govt Suffers Devastating Blow in Latest Polls!

August 10, 2015

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Support for the adults in charge and their self-proclaimed “good government” has collapsed to new lows in the long awaited Newspoll that coincides with the return to Parliament and as the Libs struggle to appoint a new speaker in the wake of the now infamous “Choppergate” expense rorting scandal.

The poll, ordinarily favourable for the Coalition shows support for the Abbot govt falling to just 46 per cent on the crucial two party preferred stakes with Labor extending its lead to 54 per cent.

The poll is the 28th consecutive poll that shows the Coalition in an election losing position.

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:42 am

    Blue ties, white shirts, grey suits. There appears to be a pattern.

    I think their fortunes might change if they went with blue shirts and red ties.

  2. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:46 am

    One can only wonder how unpopular he would be if the media hadn’t run such a protection racket for him. In all the uproar over politicians “entitlements”, he has still been left largely alone.

    I also note that, now the damage has been done, the arse coverings begin. It is so blatant, yet they continue to do it

    AN article published on Friday, 7 August 2015 on news.com.au titled ‘Tony Burke’s euro trip with staffer who became partner cost taxpayers $48,000’ alleged that Tony Burke MP misused his ministerial office to grant travel privileges to former staffer Skye Laris.

    News.com.au acknowledges that any such allegation is false and apologises to Mr Burke and Ms Laris for the hurt and embarrassment caused by the article.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/apology-to-tony-burke-mp-skye-laris/story-fncynjr2-1227476830634

    I wonder if every other ltd news site that regurgitated the smear will put up the same limp apology or will the one little “oopsy” cover it?

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:52 am

    And will the Carbon Price/Tax become the vote winner for Labor?

    About two in three Australians say the Abbott government should take climate change more seriously and even more believe coal-fired power will eventually be supplanted, indicating a potential voter backlash if the Coalition adopts facile emissions targets and continues its perceived attacks on renewable energy.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-may-be-out-on-a-limb-with-voters-over-climate-action-as-emissions-announcement-looms-20150809-giuvll.html#ixzz3iMRLnYJH
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Labor cannot (well, they probably will be anyway) be called “populist” on this. They have had the one main aim for many years now, to put a Price on Carbon.

    With the Prime Minister due to announce his emissions reduction target tomorrow, the Australian Labor Party and The Climate Institute is urging the Coalition government to “listen to Australians”.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/environment/tony-its-time-for-climate-action/

    It is going to be difficult for the libs to turn now. Will they even try?

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:54 am

    I think their fortunes might change if they went with blue shirts and red ties.

    Maybe Labor should adopt that, to remind of their “commie” roots 😉

    Are you still missing your “pet troll” yomm. Funny, cos you were whinging when he was around, now you whinge when he isn’t.

    There is one constant though 😉

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:54 am

    I wonder if Labor if elected would do something like Queens;and Labor did.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/queensland-budget-2015-turning-government-firms-into-giant-atm/story-e6frg6zo-1227443282300

    The 2015-16 Queensland budget is extraordinarily brazen in its disregard for public finance accounting standards.

    Freshman Treasurer Curtis Pitt (the Youngest) has rejected the advice of the International Monetary Fund, the OECD, Australian state and federal budget honesty acts, numerous audits of federal and state finances, and the fiscal sustainability metrics of the ratings agencies, not to mention the bitter experience of Victoria and South Australia in the 1990s and various southern European countries this decade………Queensland’s finances are in no state to restart the spending trajectory of the Bligh-Fraser years. ……Where other Australian governments have heeded these warnings and reined in debt and spending, Queensland — like Greece — thinks it’s a special case, believing that it will be saved by liquefied natural gas exports.

    There is very little doubt that Queensland’s finances will be downgraded again; the only thing that has saved them recently was a credible Liberal National Party treasurer who was able to tell a convincing story of fiscal repair.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:09 am

    Having a personal troll is a little like having your own jester. Just snap your fingers and they appear.

    The jokes could have been better, but there was some satisfaction in having a personal troll appear at my whim.

  7. August 10, 2015 9:24 am

    Death cult
    Flag alert
    Terrorist refugees
    Margie on the cover of a magazine.

  8. August 10, 2015 9:35 am

    Newscorp forced to apologise to Tony Burke over false allegations re expenses…

    http://www.news.com.au/national/apology-to-tony-burke-mp-skye-laris/story-fncynjr2-1227476830634

  9. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:41 am

    Ouch!

    And Rodd Gittins puts in his 2c (4c on Sundays) worth

    The argument that reducing or eliminating weekend penalty wage rates would have great economic benefits is obvious to all business people and economists – but not to me. I think it’s fallacious.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/dont-be-sure-lower-penalties-mean-more-jobs-20150806-giti4j.html#ixzz3iMeAMUl1

  10. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:43 am

    We have entered peak stupid

    Again

  11. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:47 am

    Newscorp forced to apologise to Tony Burke over false allegations re expenses…

    It’s more like events that didn’t pan out the way the story was written, which is unfortunate for events that happened years ago.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/10/adult-govt-suffers-devastating-blow-in-latest-newspoll/#comment-112119

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:54 am

    After secret ballot,Tony Smith is the new speaker. He says he won’t be attending partyroom meetings.

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:54 am

    In all the uproar over politicians “entitlements”, he has still been left largely alone.

    Left alone? Most people know what Abbott has claimed on the taxpayer. It has been reported a million times. And it looks like it is within the rules.

    But it does look like most pollies are stretching the rules to the limit. They just have to add on an official engagement to their visit to be able to take their kids along and have a vacation at the same time.

    Apparently Slipper was different. he forged his travel documents. But apparently his conviction was overturned because nobody could not prove he was not on some type of official business.

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:08 am

    It has been reported a million times

    Not by the msm. It has been mentioned a lot by cheerers here and independent sites, but kept very quiet, especially now with all the focus on them.

    Apparently Slipper was different. he forged his travel documents.

    Which is what Labor asked the AFP to look into bronnie with.

    What is it with libs forging things to get taxpayers money?

    Tony Smith is the new speaker. He says he won’t be attending partyroom meetings.

    From what I have read, he seems like the best choice to go with, not only for the fact about not attending meetings.

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:10 am

    Seems eddie everywhere cannot change his spots

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:15 am

    Not by the msm.

    Name me anybody who does not know that Abbott claims for his charity bike rides?

    And if Bronnie did something illegal it would come out. And she did not forge any documents about where she was travelling.

  17. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:18 am

    Name me anybody who does not know that Abbott claims for his charity bike rides?

    Andrew 🙂

    And if Bronnie did something illegal it would come out.

    No, it won’t, because the AFP have refused to look into it

  18. August 10, 2015 10:21 am
  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:22 am

    because the AFP have refused to look into it

    And that means after preliminary investigation the AFP has made it verdict.

  20. August 10, 2015 10:25 am
  21. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:35 am

    And that means after preliminary investigation the AFP has made it verdict.

    You really don’t follow any of this closely do you.

    The AFP have handballed it to Finance, and Finance have been shown that they are not equipped to make a determination of this kind.

    It has been shoved under a carpet.

    lol @ brandis reb 🙂

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:44 am

    This needs repeating … BOO!

    AN article published on Friday, 7 August 2015 on news.com.au titled ‘Tony Burke’s euro trip with staffer who became partner cost taxpayers $48,000’ alleged that Tony Burke MP misused his ministerial office to grant travel privileges to former staffer Skye Laris.

    News.com.au acknowledges that any such allegation is false and apologises to Mr Burke and Ms Laris for the hurt and embarrassment caused by the article.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Parliamentary officials are trying to stop reporters from putting out microphones with signage, being told it’s advertising

    Well, it is, isn’t it? Or is it to let the dopey journalists find the microphone their holding?

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:45 am

    They’re …

  24. August 10, 2015 10:45 am
  25. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:47 am

    Just looking at the photo at the top of the page … closest I’ve seen Tony the Terror looking “defeated” …

    Let’s hope it continues!

    Cormann looks smug – as usual …

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:49 am

    The AFP have handballed it to Finance,

    I guess because the AFP made its decision.

    Anyway if Slipper can have a conviction overturned even though he did falsify his travel claims it looks like the rules are so lose that convictions are almost impossible.

  27. August 10, 2015 10:52 am

    Tony Smith is signalling more balanced times in the House. Perhaps the mere hint of a sea-change is sufficient to explain Abbott’s incredibly down beat body language in the chamber this morning – but I think not. The prime minister looked terrible. Did the prime minister look terrible because he understands a shift is underway in his day-to-day operations or did he look terrible because Smith represents a modest uprising of sorts within government ranks. Smith represents, to some degree, the power of non-Abbott forces inside the government. Abbott had no control at all over the outcome of this process for one reason: his internal authority is diminished, and Tony Smith sitting in that chair is a symbol of it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/aug/10/liberals-to-elect-a-new-speaker-as-parliament-resumes-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-55c7f2c5e4b0ae6e92d43c45

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:54 am

    Tom R
    August 10, 2015 9:41 am

    Thanks for that gittins article tomR

    I’m against the assault on penalties.
    I think we all know that they won’t put on more workers, that the profits will go directly to the owner’s pockets and young people will be working all hours for less money. Once you start something like that it’s the downhill run on penalties for all. At the moment essential services are left out of this grand plan due to the fear of election annihilation, but how long before the same business groups are on the airwaves spruiking that everyone will have to cut penalties to maintain jobs after the success of penalty rate removal on ‘teh economy’ overall? The start of the death roll.

    Also, why should we accept an inequality in workers, one group gets penalties and another has them cut, I won’t be part of treating people as if they have less value to society when they work the same unsociable hours and work damn hard. This is throwing our youth under a bus. We’ve already made life the hardest for them over all generations as they lose all the advantages in life that other generations received to get ahead [free education, job security, free health care, apprenticeships and training]

    The people spruiking for the removal of penalties are never open outside of ‘business hours’ themselves, perhaps when they choose to participate in the 24 hr economy, they can preach changes to the system.

    Seems like every man and his dog wants to start up a cafe or restaurant these days, there must be some quick & easy profits to be made in that industry. Or is it the big money chewing up the little operators who then feel that they have to reduce penalties to survive against the sharks?

    Less money in the economy = a downturn, the owners will bank more, which won’t flow into the general economy, it just makes a few wealthy people more wealthy at the expense of the most vulnerable. Gotta love trickle up, neoliberal zombie economics.

    How low are we prepared to let the younger generation go?

    The generation game and the 1 per cent:
    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/08/06/the-generation-game-and-the-1-per-cent/

  29. August 10, 2015 10:57 am

    “”Just looking at the photo at the top of the page … closest I’ve seen Tony the Terror looking “defeated” …””

    Sorry TB, that was an old photo. However I’ve just replaced it with one taken this morning…

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:02 am

    …And if Bronnie did something illegal it would come out. And she did not forge any documents about where she was travelling…

    Actually she did forge documents neil. She would have had to sign that she was using the chopper for ‘official’ business to have it paid by finance, we all know she wasn’t, she was on party fundraising business which is against ‘the rules’.

    How will it come out when they keep the report secret? If they have nothing to hide, then they should make it public.

    All of which, you very well know neil, so stop playing the fool.

  31. August 10, 2015 11:07 am
  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:19 am

    What’s the News apology to Bourke for?

    Did he or didn’t take his staffer/mistress/lover (potential) on a first class trip to Europe? Or was it divisive to report that his (then) wife and kids only got to go business class to Uluru and Cairns?

    GO THE PARTY OF TEH WORKERS!!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:26 am

    I’ve just replaced it with one taken this morning…

    Thanks, sreb … closest I’ve seen Tony the Terror looking “defeated” … 😉

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:28 am

    What’s the News apology to Bourke for?

    That question slipped past my lips this morning too …

    I guess serious enough to avoid a winnable libel case …

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:31 am

    KL, my sentiments exactly!

    Some years ago the manager of a local IGA screwed around with my g/son’s entitlement and got short shrift from my daughter! G/son was paid up pretty quickly … just another anecdotal “story” … I can’t provide a link to … BOO! 😉

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:41 am

    She would have had to sign that she was using the chopper for ‘official’ business to have it paid by finance, we all know she wasn’t, she was on party fundraising business which is against ‘the rules’

    I am guessing Bronnie would have said she was there in her role as Speaker giving a lecture about what the role of the Speaker is. Looks like the rules are loose enough to say something like that.

    By the way does anybody know why the Speaker is called the Speaker?

    Apparently when Parliament first started up in the late 1200’s early 1300’s the King was interested in what was going on in this new body called Parliament. So to find out what was going on the King asked Parliament to speak someone to speak to him to tell him what went on. So they picked a man to speak to the King and called him The Speaker.

    And apparently it was a dangerous job as you might get the King angry. Hence the little custom where the new Speaker is reluctantly dragged to the Chair. Of course now everyone wants the job.

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 11:41 am

    I suspect it was that News used the word “misused”…whereas Bourke was entitled to rort use his travel allowances to the absolute maximum for his personal benefit and that of his family and (potential) lover.

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 12:29 pm

    I suspect it was that News used the word “misused”…

    I suspect it was that newsltd lied.

    The fact was that he was on a working trip and wasn’t she his CoS? I bet tony abbott has credlin seated right next to him too, most likely all MP’s do it.

    They used his personal circumstances to fabricate a story that taxpayers paid for burke’s love affair.

    See where they admit it [my bold]

    News.com.au acknowledges that any such allegation is false and apologises to Mr Burke and Ms Laris for the hurt and embarrassment caused by the article.

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 12:41 pm

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:16 pm

    Bronwyn Bishop’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

    HURRAY!

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:19 pm

    Also, why should we accept an inequality in workers, one group gets penalties and another has them cut

    Interestingly, I asked yomm that same question the other day ao.

    It was around then he “lost interest” in the debate 😉

    I am guessing Bronnie would have said she was there in her role as Speaker giving a lecture about what the role of the Speaker is.

    That’s lame. If she is supplying this “information” on the taxpayers dime, why are people paying the liberal party? If they are paying, it should go to Government coffers, not Party coffers. That doesn’t even hold a drop of water as legitimate.

    She lied on the form, and the AFP is providing cover for her. They have removed all doubt of their independence.

    I suspect it was that newsltd lied.

    Bingo 😉

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:25 pm

    That’s lame.

    Most probably but i would bet it is within the rules otherwise the AFP would have looked at it. I guess Bronnie gives lots of lectures on the role of The Speaker. I am not up on Police protocol but i would say the AFP handing it to finance means they have made their judgement.

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:27 pm

    Did he or didn’t take his staffer/mistress/lover (potential) on a first class trip to Europe?

    Yes, No and No

    It seems that, even though Labor removed the first class for MP’s, the Public Servants still get them.

    Go figure.

  44. August 10, 2015 1:35 pm

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  45. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:36 pm

    i would say the AFP handing it to finance means they have made their judgement.

    They handed it back the moment they got it. They didn’t have time to start a judgement, letlone make one

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:41 pm

    Thanks reb. I really enjoyed the last David Sedaris reading, so I should actually book a ticket this time!

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:46 pm

    I guess Bronnie gives lots of lectures on the role of The Speaker.

    Yes, every time there was a lib fundraiser 😉

    She would have got away with that ‘under the rules’ but a chopper to go to a place an hour away was just OTT and a completely indulgent waste of taxpayer’s money, that is why the public was outraged. It is public outrage that has caused her resignation, abbott tried to keep her but the rage was maintained.

    …I am not up on Police protocol but i would say the AFP handing it to finance means they have made their judgement…

    No, they handed it to finance without even looking at it, after it was referred to them [that’s how slipper got caught] that’s a refusal to do their job and politicisation of the AFP. Finance is refusing to make the report public which means they are being directed to do so.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:47 pm

    So did Bourke take his “staffer” to Barcelona? Is this the same “staffer” that is now his partner?
    —————-
    There are plenty of variations on weekend penalties For example- some awards provide double time for Sunday, others provide time and a half.

    The productivity commission didn’t recommend the elimination of penalty rates.

    What is the debating point exactly? That everyone get double time? Or that the variation in penalties continue? Or that given that there is no specific standard, that a review of some sectors is reasonable?

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 1:53 pm

    I don’t know how much longer abbott can hold back the tide, it just might drown him.

  50. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:10 pm

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:12 pm

    No, they handed it to finance without even looking at it,

    Which means the AFP gave their verdict. Now if Bronnie said she went just next door in the chopper for a short flight but actually went to Geelong than i am sure she would have been investigated.

    Also one reason politicians travel is so expensive is that they do not shop around for the cheapest flight. They just get their secretary to book a business class seat and they are very expensive.

  52. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:13 pm

    What is the debating point exactly?

    You’re the one supporting removing the current penalty rates, so perhaps it is upon you to clarify?

    #justsayin’

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:18 pm

    I’ve outlined my preferred approach several times. You disagreed.

    Fine, so why do you take shots at me for not repeating myself?

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:25 pm

    Which means the AFP gave their verdict.

    No it doesn’t, they can’t give a verdict without doing an investigation, that’s not a verdict, it is a dereliction of duty. A political activity under direction of govt by a supposedly independent organisation. Separation of powers is non existent with LNP governments.

    …So did Bourke take his “staffer” to Barcelona? Is this the same “staffer” that is now his partner?…

    Does it matter? Do we care as long as she is doing her job?

    Can you say that the staffer was not working at the time, that she was given a freebie holiday?

    I think what is important is whether there is any truth to the story that newsltd claimed.

    But, if there was, they would not be apologising would they?

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:32 pm

    No it doesn’t, they can’t give a verdict without doing an investigation, that’s not a verdict, it is a dereliction of duty.

    That is your opinion. I suspect you like me no almost nothing about Police protocol. I would guess by handing it back they made their decision based on a brief look.

    n less than two years in office, the Abbott government has added almost $100bn to the level of Commonwealth government debt.

    And when the Coalition tried to do something about the debt they were called mean and nasty.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:33 pm

    Indefinite copyright is a joke – the recipe for carrot marmalade proves it

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  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:38 pm

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:38 pm

    Yep. I’ll admit, I care whether an MP is using their travel allowance to further a potential/existing romantic relationship with a staffer who is also on the public payroll.

    The boss/subordinate romantic relationships are fraught in any case.

    It’s fair to expect politicians to have exemplary and transparent standards in thus area.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:39 pm

    If you are one of those people who pray … then do so for the RAAF fighter pilots … they’re going to need all the help they can get!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/video-shows-russias-next-generation-warplane-the-t-50-being-put-through-its-paces/story-fnpjxnlk-1227477206789

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, … and a completely indulgent waste of taxpayer’s money, that is why the public was outraged.

    Especially after telling all the peasants that they needed to tighten their belts and reducing the ADF pay and conditions … hypocrisy writ LARGE!

    ToM, That everyone get double time?

    Great idea – seeing as how pay rates are actually declining …

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:40 pm

    It’s fair to expect politicians to have exemplary and transparent standards in thus (sic) area.

    Agree …

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:47 pm

    Thanks TB… “this”

    I don’t wish to sound like I’ve spent too long in New Zealand

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 2:51 pm

    I care whether an MP is using their travel allowance to further a potential/existing romantic relationship with a staffer who is also on the public payroll.

    If that’s the case, then he’s a slow mover. They didn’t hook up for another 5 years.

    Meanwhile, he would have to just cope with taking whoever is his staffer is at the time (and hope they never become romantically involved, else yomm will be upset)

    Fine, so why do you take shots at me for not repeating myself?

    My “shot” was because you made a ridiculous statement you then refused to address. And the statement was your example of why removing penalty rates is your “preferred approach”. You were NOT “repeating” yourself. You were dumpin’n’runnin’

    If you want to make a statement that is supposed to explain why this is your preferred approach, you can expect at some point be called to explain it to us poor plebs.

    The fact that you refuse to explain just makes your “preferred approach” sit on very shaky ground. You aren’t convincing anyone of the positives in such a move. Not even yourself I’m guessing

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/07/22/at-the-movies-with-tb-ant-man-movie-review/#comment-111880

  63. August 10, 2015 3:04 pm

    ” Once you start something like that it’s the downhill run on penalties for all. ”

    Indeed.

    It’s the thin edge of the wedge…and only certain types are in favour of it.

    AbbottCorp seems aware that going after penalties in any sort of overt fashion would be political suicide (moreso even than their cavalcade of other voter offending fetishes).

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:12 pm

  65. August 10, 2015 3:19 pm

    “And when the Coalition tried to do something about the debt they were called mean and nasty.”

    Perhaps because of the blatantly ideological way that they went about ‘doing something’ about their confected ‘budget emergency’ (if it was a true emergency, they’d still be trying to address it, rather than saving their political hides & hoping the mug punters forget how luridly they showed their hand).

    How hollow the ‘age of entitlement’ attacks seem now, given the propensity of several of those demanding austerity to live the high life on our coin, even as they were pissing in our pockets about how we need to tighten our belts & marginalise easy targets further.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:20 pm

    I’m quite happy to continue to advocate my position – that bona fide full time students, who have casual jobs on Saturday or Sunday shouldn’t get full weekend penalty rates.

    The likely outcome will be more employment for students, with full time employees being utilised more for Mon to Fri work.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:22 pm

    Every time any change is mooted in employment law, it is “the thin edge of the wedge”

  68. August 10, 2015 3:24 pm

    Because it is?

  69. August 10, 2015 3:26 pm

    The best thing about SlaveChoices, circa HowardCorp, is that it made the greater voting population vigilant with regard to having their entitlements assaulted.

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:26 pm

    Perhaps because of the blatantly ideological way that they went about ‘doing something’ about their confected ‘budget emergency’

    It is not confected but it does look like they may have given up a little bit. I guess they want to win the next election and if they go in too hard they will have no hope.

    But we do have a budget emergency and now is the time to hit it but looks like most Aussies do not care.

  71. August 10, 2015 3:31 pm

    Or…could they have chosen less soft targets for their attack, Kneel?

    Instead of their ‘solution’ resembling a wishlist of neo-conservative economic rationalisation. Trying to dismantle public health, social welfare & their other pet peeves.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:38 pm

    Yes. Since Howard proposed to make everyone much easier to dismiss and eliminate a reasonable safety net, the electorate has behaved as a voting collective.

    That’s fine with me too. It stops senseless change.

    On the other hand, there is a fair argument to suggest that a full time student will probably be willing to work on a Sunday for less than the minimum of $34-35 an hour.

  73. August 10, 2015 3:39 pm
  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:46 pm

    Now this is a good definition of greed. With this attitude we are doomed. Retired politicians want more.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/politician-entitlements-former-mps-high-court-bid-to-boost-allowances-20150807-giuc21.html

    Former federal politicians have launched a High Court bid to claw bigger allowances and better travel entitlements from the taxpayer………Even though the four men now get between $81,000 and $115,000 a year from the taxpayer – not including bonus allowances based on the various roles they served in Parliament – they want more.

    They argue their allowances should be based on a percentage of the full salary of current backbench MPs, which is about $195,000. Under the changes, their allowances are instead based on a percentage of their pre-2011 salaries – about $154,000.

  75. August 10, 2015 3:52 pm

    Can’t argue with you on that, Neil.

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 3:52 pm

    that bona fide full time students, who have casual jobs on Saturday or Sunday shouldn’t get full weekend penalty rates.

    Why? Are they less deserving than anyone else? Is study not a form of work? How can you ensure that people who work all week won’t be restricted from getting a job on hte seekend in order to make ends meet?

    There are many more problems I’m sure, but we’ll start with them

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:05 pm

    … that bona fide full time students, who have casual jobs on Saturday or Sunday shouldn’t get full weekend penalty rates.

    Ya, still penalising one group … as if students just go to uni … (and don’t work?) … and what about non bona fide students … ?

    How would you really know?

    It is not confected but it does look like they may have given up a little bit.

    Well thanks to Tony & The Terrorists the budget has blown another $100 BILLION

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:07 pm

    You too, can dress like George Brandis…

    Don’t be a wanker, sreb … you know who I am!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:08 pm

    Now that’s STYLE!

    BTW thanks for the applause at the end … 😉

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:12 pm

    They argue their allowances should be based on a percentage of the full salary of current backbench MPs,

    Maybe they should be recalculated to reflect the average wage rather than extortion …

    Who else gets paid now for the job they had which they don’t do now (and probably didn’t do anyway!)… what fkn planet were these pricks spawned on?

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:24 pm

    What does it say about right wing voters when Donald Trump is leading the Republican polls …

    Dickheads™ are dumb and narrow minded … but rich dickheads are dangerous …

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/09/trump-leads-gop-outsiders-surge-in-first-post-debate-poll/

    Trump is a loose cannon … he needs to be spiked …

  82. August 10, 2015 4:39 pm

    You oghta read the dumbasses at Boltblog, excoriating Herr Andrew for his (absolutely warranted) disapproval of Trump. Makes me laugh my arse off.

    A better illustration of rightwing nutjobs would be hard to find. Played by a rich, populist, dogwhistling, rude, arrogant reality TV personality. Says heaps.

  83. August 10, 2015 4:42 pm

    Trump will either go down in flames, spectacularly (to be honest, I expected that after his belligerent comments regarding McCain’s war service record)…or take the entire conservative campaign down with him, by running as an ‘Independent’ & subsuming voters who’d have otherwise voted for the anointed Republican hood ornament.

    Imagine that fuckwit with the keys to the nukes… 😯

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 4:48 pm

    I repeat, toylet, but rich dickheads are dangerous …

  85. August 10, 2015 4:54 pm

    The US Presidency being a virtual popularity contest, open only to the uber-wealthy, or those beholden to uber-wealthy backers, is a total farce.

    We’re lucky they haven’t chosen a total loon like Trump…yet.

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 5:24 pm

    reb
    August 10, 2015 3:39 pm

    the art of brandis – what a meme and what a joke is brandis, he is another of abbott’s worst performers and there is a lot of competition!

    reb, did you notice the book brandis had tucked under his arm for flight reading?

    Hint, the author has been all over the ABC and RWNJ media flogging it [we probably paid for the addition to the bookshelves too].

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 5:31 pm

    …You oghta read the dumbasses at Boltblog, excoriating Herr Andrew for his (absolutely warranted) disapproval of Trump. Makes me laugh my arse off…

    His hissy fight with the newscorp sluggers re goodes made me LMFAO!, he was telling them they should be writing for their readership [which one assumes is racist reclaim australia types]. Even the oz couldn’t go where bolt does.

  88. August 10, 2015 5:47 pm

    Yes, he does have a particularly vigorous bug up his arse regarding indigenous Australia. In Boltworld, black is not white enough, the conquered should be grateful for colonisation & it’s those who disagree with him that are truly racist.

    Watching him squeal about his perceived victimisation by the Oz is quite remarkable.

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 5:48 pm

    They argue their allowances should be based on a percentage of the full salary of current backbench MPs

    So instead of CPI increases [and remember the LNP wants to take them off ordinary pensioners] these old codgers full of entitlement, want their pensions to remain at the level of current MP’s salaries?.

    What good timing, what a hoot, troughsnouting til the day they die and then pass the entitlement on to the surviving spouse, does that still happen?

    Gold diggers, the lot of them.

  90. August 10, 2015 5:50 pm

    The only thing they find bipartisanship on is their fucking troughsnouting.

    Go Xenophonism.

  91. August 10, 2015 5:55 pm

    on the penalty rates armchair, often the `overtime` is often the only reason to work at those low-paid jobs, many would find themselves without a workforce if they get to trash the overtime, next, the dickheads would be screaming for 457-backpacker slaves, but the area and their business still goes to shit coz the consumers have dried-up, l saw plenty of this traveling around the country for years, the teabags haven`t learned, most of these places are now `ice`towns

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 5:56 pm

    Pretty awful those port workers being sacked by email and sms.

    There’s some bloody callous employers out there.

    Hutchison Ports sacking of workers by midnight text takes bastardry to a new low
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/hutchison-ports-sacking-of-workers-by-midnight-text-takes-bastardry-to-a-new-low-20150809-giuv83.html

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 6:01 pm

    …Go Xenophonism…

    If Xenophon does anything, I hope it is to take pyne’s seat off him, I hope the SA public remember what the promise of a coalition government is worth.

    Fool me once, fool me twice…

  94. August 10, 2015 6:07 pm

    ao””’the AFP gave their verdict.

    No it doesn`t, they can`t give a verdict without doing an investigation, that`s not a verdict”””’

    #hint afp-plod `investigate`, the `verdict` will be from the court/s

    #the reason back-bench-bronny looks so miserable is she just took a 146K pay-cut, 341k as spruiker, down to 195K, the poor dear

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 6:10 pm

    …on the penalty rates armchair, often the `overtime` is often the only reason to work at those low-paid jobs, many would find themselves without a workforce if they get to trash the overtime, next, the dickheads would be screaming for 457-backpacker slaves, but the area and their business still goes to shit coz the consumers have dried-up,…

    Or the consumer is forced to accept a second rate service while employer profits increase sharply.
    That’s exactly what the zombies aim to do, bring all wages down and create a US style system here.
    I know that that the the only thing that makes nurse’s wages decent is the penalty rates, if not for them they’d be paid chickenfeed for the education they paid for themselves, the hard work that they do, the stress and pressure of the job and the overall responsibility that they have.

    I’d be terribly disappointed if the nurses union accepts this without a fight for other shift workers.

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2015 6:26 pm

    “The US Presidency being a virtual popularity contest, open only to the uber-wealthy, or those beholden to uber-wealthy backers, is a total farce.”

    The campaign has its moments, like when a bunch of dumb braying leftists shut down a Bernie Sanders speech:

    Poetic justice.

  97. August 10, 2015 6:38 pm

    limited-news”””CAN Australia`s next generation combat jet beat this? Possibly not. (#ha-ha-`probably`-not) Video footage of Russia’s new T-50 stealth fighter shows the extreme manoeuvrability the F-35 is up against.

    Earlier this year a damning report from an F-35 test pilot revealed the troubled $400 billion dollar single-seat stealth fighter was easily outmanoeuvred by a two-seat 1980s vintage F-16D combat jet.”””’via-teebz

    #the last `ha-ha` l saw on one of the foreign/sbs news teebz, was china had `hacked` and re-engineered the yank-f35 and made a much better f35 already, can`t remember what `name` they use for it, but least we`ll be able to defeat tonga

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 6:39 pm

    Nurses won’t bother to work weekends or nights without penalties, the system would fall apart without paying this premium.

    It’s a false argument to argue that unskilled & untrained workers should automatically have the same benefits as highly skilled, well trained people in an essential 24 hour emergency service, or those involved in a capital intensive 24 hour continuous manufacturing operation.

    For those people, it isn’t just an industrial right that makes sense, it’s that the labour market requires penalty rates to be paid for highly skilled people that support a 24 hour operating cycle.

    That’s why (in my opinion) the “thin edge of the wedge” argument doesn’t add up.

  99. August 10, 2015 6:40 pm

    “”reb, did you notice the book brandis had tucked under his arm for flight reading?””

    Can’t say I can pick it out…

    “”Battlelines?””

  100. August 10, 2015 6:43 pm

    “”Nurses won’t bother to work weekends or nights without penalties, the system would fall apart without paying this premium.””

    😯

  101. August 10, 2015 6:46 pm
  102. August 10, 2015 6:54 pm

    Don`t sweat it over Trump teebz, the repugs are always trying to cobble together support from, reality-deniers, nigger-shooting cops, dog-zealots, phobes, garden-variety bigots, kkk-leftovers, corporate-wannabees, and looney-looney teabag types. With Trump`s stance against mexican-rapists, he`ll be fine, and shit-load better than george-w.

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:12 pm

    Who else gets paid now for the job they had which they don’t do now (and probably didn’t do anyway!)… what fkn planet were these pricks spawned on?

    What gets me is they have no shame. They have actually taken their claims to court. The ex- pollies are on $81K-$115K for life. And they want more.

    I think it is hard to say that people are basically good. For some reason people do not respect taxpayers money. Maybe they think it grows on trees? Same goes for the auto workers. The more subsidies they got the less people wanted to buy the cars they made.

  104. August 10, 2015 7:13 pm

    ao””’the zombies aim to do, bring all wages down and create a US style system here.”””

    #for sure armchair, tho they continually willfully ignore the `other` side of the `us-style` coin, more drugs, crime, violence, take a look at `our` know-nothing, can`t fight his way out of a wet paper bag, yet continually `wants` more desperate-type citizens in his country, but then goes full panic when about the occasional shark-nibble

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:16 pm

    …Can’t say I can pick it out…
    “”Battlelines?””…

    nope, nope, nope, it is “when we were young and foolish” greggy sheridan’s confessions of love and admiration for abbott his best mate, where in the author’s mind, abbott is a kind and gentle man, a romantic who could never, ever do all those things he is blamed for. He is much, much, much misunderstood.

    Just out in time for the next election!

    Maybe brandis was checking the back for any references to himself.

  106. August 10, 2015 7:24 pm

    “The campaign has its moments, like when a bunch of dumb braying leftists shut down a Bernie Sanders speech:”

    Haha, yes!

    But what about the ‘dumb braying rightwingnutjobs’ who simper at the heels of Trump. I give you, splatter, enough credit to assume you would be repulsed by Trump’s assertions (for the most part).

  107. August 10, 2015 7:27 pm

    r”””Battlelines?””

    #aahh nice guess reb, l haven`t looked at the pic, but my guess, greg sherridans book, he was peddling it last week

  108. August 10, 2015 7:30 pm

    prediction about my abc tonight,

    reportland will be lazy and largely crap, merely regurgitating back bench bronny

    #qandaland will return to its regular crapulence with the return of the teabags

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:31 pm

    I don’t want to harp on about this….but….when someone willingly takes on the role of personal troll/sock puppet, I’m not sure they should be able to just give up the job.

    I mean, you’d think they should give a month’s notice of resignation, or something.

  110. August 10, 2015 7:32 pm

    “That’s exactly what the zombies aim to do, bring all wages down and create a US style system here.
    I know that that the the only thing that makes nurse’s wages decent is the penalty rates, if not for them they’d be paid chickenfeed for the education they paid for themselves, the hard work that they do, the stress and pressure of the job and the overall responsibility that they have.”

    My thoughts, exactly.

    And the same applies to me and how I earn.

  111. August 10, 2015 7:35 pm

    “It’s a false argument to argue that unskilled & untrained workers should automatically have the same benefits as highly skilled, well trained people in an essential 24 hour emergency service, or those involved in a capital intensive 24 hour continuous manufacturing operation.”

    I call bullshit.

    That’s a Business lobby propagation.

    Antisocial hours are antisocial hours. That doesn’t change because rich people want cheaper, more readily available coffees & salad sandwiches in their haunt de jour, on Sundays.

    Show me some proof that ‘more people would be employed’.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:36 pm

    As I said, for skilled jobs in a 24 hour capital intensive industry or an essential emergency service, it is a question of labour economics as much as it is an industrial right.

    Highly skilled people just won’t bother to work the hours unless there are penalty rates.

  113. August 10, 2015 7:38 pm

    “What gets me is they have no shame. They have actually taken their claims to court. The ex- pollies are on $81K-$115K for life. And they want more.”

    You had me here!

    “I think it is hard to say that people are basically good. For some reason people do not respect taxpayers money. Maybe they think it grows on trees? Same goes for the auto workers. The more subsidies they got the less people wanted to buy the cars they made.”

    You lost me there…because, clearly you’ve never worked on a serious JIT prod line, and your conclusions are ‘arsehat logic’.

    (how do I do the little TM, TB?)

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:39 pm

    There are plenty of students that wish to work a Sunday for $30 an hour.

    There are no nurses or tradespeople or other highly skilled people in essential serves or capital intensive industries that will work a Sunday for ordinary rates.

  115. August 10, 2015 7:42 pm

    Lambie on reportland, her son is on `ice`, and reckons `ice` needed to be tackled years ago.

    #too.late

  116. August 10, 2015 7:43 pm

    “Highly skilled people just won’t bother to work the hours unless there are penalty rates.”

    Believe it or not, I am highly skilled. And it won’t just be ‘us’.

    I do concede that you noted ” in a 24 hour capital intensive industry “, and that is why I respect your input, YomM; but sometimes I do wonder about which niche you inhabit (actually, I don’t- I have a pretty good idea).

    So when are you coming down here for a surf with the gargantuan, coldwater Carcharodon carcharias that we have?

  117. August 10, 2015 7:45 pm

    I love this place when I have a bit of time & some intelligent, argumentative types are lurking about. It reminds me of AIMN a very terrible thing!

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:45 pm

    …Nurses won’t bother to work weekends or nights without penalties, the system would fall apart without paying this premium…

    You are right about that, every nurse I talk to says if they don’t get paid for it, they won’t want to work the weekends, they’d rather spend time with family.

    …It’s a false argument to argue that unskilled & untrained workers should automatically have the same benefits as highly skilled, well trained people in an essential 24 hour emergency service, or those involved in a capital intensive 24 hour continuous manufacturing operation…

    Because some [without clout] are easily expendable in this economy? We ask the young to contribute more to the economy of the country than we ask of the superannuation/negative gearing rorters and taxation dodgers?

    No, we should not be throwing a generation under a bus so that some employers can pocket more profits.

    But these young people aren’t unskilled, they won’t take them on without the kids getting their hospitality certificates and the usual ‘don’t apply if not experienced’ demand. They have to jump in and pull their weight from the start, firstly the poor things have to donate a week or so of free labour as a ‘trial’, as reprehensible as that is. Then they have to dance to the tune of casualisation, an hour here, there and everywhere, but never enough for a complete day’s work. Just get home for an hour and then called up again to work for another hour, nice.

    I think you belittle the efforts of young people to get themselves ahead, it ain’t easy and they deserve a little better than trolley boy wages [so do trolley boys].

  119. August 10, 2015 7:49 pm

    “I don’t want to harp on about this….but….when someone willingly takes on the role of personal troll/sock puppet, I’m not sure they should be able to just give up the job.”

    I AGREE!

    Imagine if ‘boo of pixar’ was running Qantas or something, could you imagine the outrage if boo just decided to shut down the whole company for a day or two? But walk off a “”backwater blog”” for a couple of days unannounced ….. IT”S A DISGRACE!!!!

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 7:51 pm

    Attacking penalty rates are always on top of the list of people who never work shift work or weekends themselves.

  121. August 10, 2015 8:00 pm

    ””’Imagine if `boo of pixar` was running””#malaysia-air, NO aircraft lost over known hot battlefield

    #unlike.you.know.who:-)

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:00 pm

    …Show me some proof that ‘more people would be employed’…

    He can’t, it’s the BS zombie economics mantra.

    Don’t be sure lower penalties mean more jobs:
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/dont-be-sure-lower-penalties-mean-more-jobs-20150806-giti4j#ixzz3iP9B71d1

  123. August 10, 2015 8:00 pm

    Kitty@7:51

    Precisely my take on it

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:07 pm

    I think you belittle the efforts of young people to get themselves ahead, it ain’t easy and they deserve a little better than trolley boy wages [so do trolley boys]

    I’m not belittling them.

    The proposal of the productivity commission is for hospitality and retail. “Trolley boys” might be your way of disparaging their work, but I suppose that’s mainly what shop assistants and waiting staff are.

    Equally, my suggestion that full time students don’t need penalties when in casual employment on weekends isn’t diminishing their potential career contribution.

    You simply won’t find people to work in highly skilled essential services and capital intensive industry around clock for 7 days, unless there are penalty rates.

    I know plenty of students that will work on a Sunday for $30 an hour, I don’t know any nurses that would work on a Saturday night without penalty rates.

  125. August 10, 2015 8:09 pm

    “But these young people aren’t unskilled, they won’t take them on without the kids getting their hospitality certificates and the usual ‘don’t apply if not experienced’ demand. They have to jump in and pull their weight from the start, firstly the poor things have to donate a week or so of free labour as a ‘trial’, as reprehensible as that is. Then they have to dance to the tune of casualisation, an hour here, there and everywhere, but never enough for a complete day’s work. Just get home for an hour and then called up again to work for another hour, nice.”

    Best, most succinct summation I’ve read of it all, for a while. I have a 15yo built by me & trained to recognise the bullshit, nevertheless told to expect no special treatment (and to earn their place in the workforce).

    The whole ‘lifters & leaners’ schtick leaves me cold.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:10 pm

    Imagine if ‘boo of pixar’ was running Qantas or something… then Qantas would have stopped flying permanently, not temporarily.

    (but being a personal troll/sock puppet should to be a vocation, not something just to be discarded without considering the effect on everyone)

  127. August 10, 2015 8:11 pm

    “Imagine if ‘boo of pixar’ was running Qantas or something, could you imagine the outrage if boo just decided to shut down the whole company for a day or two? But walk off a “”backwater blog”” for a couple of days unannounced ….. IT”S A DISGRACE!!!!”

    STILL My Blog Hero…!

  128. August 10, 2015 8:14 pm

    ao”””He can`t, it`s the BS zombie economics mantra.””’

    #Correct. And he no longer has the nads to try and prove it since pwned him last time he went on with the zombienomics-wage clap-trap.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:19 pm

    Believe it or not, I am highly skilled.

    I do believe that, even intelligent and humorous.

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:31 pm

    A day of rest: the costs of removing penalty rates:
    http://theconversation.com/a-day-of-rest-the-costs-of-removing-penalty-rates-36911

    Research by the Educational Policy Institute in 2005 found that living costs for university students in Australia were the third highest in the world – and 60% of students were living below the poverty line. Around half of undergraduate students lived on less than a third of the national minimum wage.

    Costs of living, including accommodation, have increased around two-fold since then. Those on youth allowance must make do with far less than the minimum wage…

    … it will be interesting to see if the government responds to pressure from employers in the absence of hard evidence of the benefits of lowering the minimum wage and penalty rates…

    Abbott’s agenda and the war on penalty rates:
    http://enpassant.com.au/2015/04/13/abbotts-agenda-and-the-war-on-penalty-rates/

    …Make no mistake. Cutting or abolishing penalty rates cuts the living standards to a large number of workers. Bosses won’t use the extra money to employ more staff. They’ll pocket it for their own benefits.

    The best way to stop these attacks and stop rotten bosses screwing us over is to take industrial action to protect our hard won gains of the past…

  131. August 10, 2015 8:36 pm

    “”being a personal troll/sock puppet should to be a vocation, not something just to be discarded without considering the effect on everyone”

    This is true.

    And this is precisely what is wrong with ppl these days.

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:40 pm

    But what about the ‘dumb braying rightwingnutjobs’

    Praying rightwingnutjobs surely?

  133. August 10, 2015 8:42 pm
  134. August 10, 2015 8:46 pm

    via ao””’Make no mistake. Cutting or abolishing penalty rates(#or-minimum)””’

    #This is a known and proven failure, yet the teabags and the imbecile-herd continue to `cheer` for it, talk about not fcuking learning.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 8:49 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:00 pm

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:01 pm

    This is a known and proven failure

    Has cutting penalty rates been tried in Australia? I believe you could do that with Workchoices but not many people were on WC’s

    Actually one thing WC’s did do was cut penalty rates which is why people were worried. But i remember one guy was happy to work on weekends for standard wages. He said the company he worked for could not afford to pay people penalty rates on the weekend so the business did not open. The workers approached the boss and worked on Saturday for normal rates under Workchoices. But the workers were happy because they wanted the extra work.

    But i guess people would say it was thin edge of the wedge

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:03 pm

    Debt, deficit & unemployment UP, growth DOWN

    You must be talking about Rudd/Gillard/Swan. Thankfully unemployment increase has slowed. Debt is similar to what Swan produced but thankfully has not got worse.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:14 pm

    (how do I do the little TM, TB?)

    Do you mean ToM? Cause if so its T upper case o lower case M upper case … shimples …sclik. 🙂

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:24 pm

    So TB is George Brandis?

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:35 pm

    For toilet, I haven’t tried it out myself though, you might need to test.

    To add these signs you need to append them with an ampersand sign & and end with a semicolon. See the examples below:

    © = ©
    ™ = ™
    ® = ®

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:39 pm

    oops

    looks like they work 😉

    To add these signs you need to append them with an ampersand sign & and end with a semicolon. See the examples below:

    &+copy+; = ©
    &+trade+; = ™
    &+reg+; = ®

    Don’s add the + sign, I just added it so I could show you how you do it.

  143. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:41 pm

    There are plenty of students that wish to work a Sunday for $30 an hour.

    So you say. Yet cafes are complaining now that they can’t get people in to work, paying less won’t fix that.

    You still haven’t addressed any of my points I note. Instead, you just keep claiming that the plebs are dying to work for less, and somehow think that settles it.

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:45 pm

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:46 pm

    You still haven’t addressed any of my points I note. Instead, you just keep claiming that the plebs are dying to work for less, and somehow think that settles it.

    ToM’s mates?

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:47 pm

    So TB is George Brandis?

    As Wally would say … fuck off!

    Ahhh … sorry toylet …

    I just use these …

    http://www.keynotesupport.com/websites/special-characters-math-currency.shtml

    I have a few more but these should do …

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:48 pm

    And why do pollies think they are the only people who have to work away from home?

    And miss family and friends …

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:49 pm

    You still haven’t addressed any of my points

    Really? I thought I’d addressed all the points I thought were worth addressing.

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:52 pm

    ToM’s mates?

    Is that trademarked yet ao 😉

    I also wonder if yomms troll is perhaps reluctant to troll for a lower rate?

  150. August 10, 2015 9:52 pm

    “But i remember one guy was happy to work on weekends for standard wages. ”

    I see what you did there, arsehat, you said ” i remember one guy was happy to work on weekends for standard wages. ” Operative word being ONE .

  151. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:54 pm

    thought I’d addressed all the points I thought were worth addressing.

    I guess thats another way of saying “I Got nuthen”

  152. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:56 pm

    i remember one guy was happy to work on weekends for standard wages

    Bet his name wasn’t yomm

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2015 9:58 pm

    correction: ToM’s mate™

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:01 pm

    I see what you did there, arsehat, you said ” i remember one guy was happy to work on weekends for standard wages. ” Operative word being ONE .

    Yep and i remember the guy very well. He posted his story on Tim Dunlops anti-workchoices blog. He really ripped into Tim because he used to work a second job on the weekend to put his kids through school. When WC’s came in he approached his boss to work for standard wages on Saturday. The company he worked for did not open on Saturdays because penalty rates made it unprofitable but was willing to do so if they didn’t have to pay penalty rates. The guy was happy because it stilled paid better than his second job and was easier to get to.

  155. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:05 pm

    Much better AO 🙂

  156. August 10, 2015 10:16 pm

    Infancy Sheds the warning
    an evolution of ignoring the imminent
    undetermined future of wrongdoing
    our fruits withering, their luster lost to the aether

    Surround us with your ignorance
    Smother us in environmental dissonance
    Take what’s yours and leave the rest to rot
    be the bastard decency forgot
    Never think
    Never look back

    No immediate gain nothing to lose, no one to blame
    seven billion other idiots thinking the same
    exponential is the loss, the future’s not a game
    The prophecy was true and every threat has been retained

    O, the prophets speak of calamity through their corpses
    predetermining the fates of future generations
    Heed their warnings now, all humans bear the cost
    The clergy of doom, the prophets of loss

    …Ave Delphinus
    …Selachimorpha
    …Dinoflagellata
    …Chelinoidea
    …Cetacea

    Certain doom – assured destruction of finite ecosystems

    You may not know it now, but your children are fucked
    and their children’s futures are ruined, they’ll take part in the ultimate do in of earth, resources, the grand “undoing”

    Sustainability unobtainable

    Heed this warning now, as you carry the cross
    From the clergy of, the prophets of loss

    We fucking die tonight and that’s perfectly alright with me

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:24 pm

    Heavy … Ser T …

  158. August 10, 2015 10:34 pm

    “For toilet”

    Thankyou, my (sort of) longer term friends here!

    When I think on it, I truly appreciate the arguments & insight, because it gets past the personal, and a few of us have recognised eachothers’ headspace for what little shit that’s worth, and from there it’s possible to have an honest argument.

    I miss some of the contrarians whom used to brave the maelstrom.

  159. August 10, 2015 10:36 pm

    Google Travis Ryan, TB (not the religious nutjob)…I’ve spent time with the man.

    About to be at the top of the food chain, for the genre (which none of you will know, appreciate, or understand…but that’s OK, coz it’s MASSIVE). Thing is….they’ve been all over it for a very long time.

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2015 10:38 pm

    F**K Off ™

  161. Peter permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:11 am

    Fuck these politicians! They only care about themselves the greedy useless cunts, created fear I this country and protected by the Murdoch press because he owns this government! Wake up people.

  162. August 11, 2015 7:13 am

    Good morning teabags, `our` usual suspects are merely spouting the fictions put about by the monsters like kentucky-duck and krusty-burger on `penalty/minimum` rates, not the rest of the `dining` industry. Good chefs and waiter/resses don`t stay put for `minimum` no matter how much the imbecile-herd bleat otherwise, and most of the biz-owners know this. That is why the 2 or 3 day jobs they have is usually Thur, Fri, Sat (or fri, sat, sun) as when they offer Mon, Tues, Wed, nobody applies for the job/s, not on `minimum` anyway.

    Another fiction you-know-who continually tries to peddle is, bosses and workers are `always` at each others throat, on `everything`, which anybody beyond the tinfoil-cubicle and has had more than `one`job knows is total bullshit, miserable underpaid workers don`t stick around, and bosses don`t keep `dead-wood` (unless they are relatives).

    #still.knowing.nothing

  163. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:15 am

    Wake up people.

    I did, but it was more due my alarm than anything.

    F**K Off ™

    I’m pretty sure the libs have already tradmarked that one yomm 😉

    If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll listen to this guy?

    “I don’t know what [the government] is doing on the other policy fronts but on this they’ve completely stuffed it,” he said. “More and more Australians will leave the country looking for jobs and you’ll continue to be a resource based economy – the hope of building IT jobs and a digital economy will kind of be more difficult to achieve.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/telstra-threat-myrepublic-details-australia-launch-and-slams-nbn-20150810-givgk6.html#ixzz3iS7AtjlA
    Follow us: @brisbanetimes on Twitter | brisbanetimes on Facebook

    Mind you, I did love this bit of ad-libbing (sic) on behalf of the “journalist”

    The Coalition ordered the change after Labor’s NBN rollout hit major construction problems and delays.

    Construction problems? Unheard of in construction ROFL. Major? really.. LINKS?

    Delays? That was the opposition delaying you mindless troll!! The people who did everything they could to delay and hobble it. They “ordered the change” because murdoch TOLD them to change it. It wasn’t because of anything that was allegedly wrong with the original roll out or plan.

    In fact, considering what they are doing now is so mickey mouse the roll out has basically stalled in comparison to the progress it was experiencing under Labor, especially considering the blockages the libs put in front of every movement.

  164. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:25 am

    I see yomm still cannot explain why people who study all week are less deserving of a weekend than those who work all week. Does he consider study to be somehow less ??? [insert random descriptive here] than work?

  165. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:27 am

    How the grubmint sees us?

  166. August 11, 2015 8:36 am

    “”I also wonder if yomms troll is perhaps reluctant to troll for a lower rate?””

    GOLD! 😆

  167. August 11, 2015 8:39 am

    Latest Morgan 2PP Poll:

    ALP 57% +3%

    LNP 43% -3%

  168. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:40 am

    We could do worst than return to Whitlams era

    During the Whitlam years the government cut costs by getting MPs to travel economy which provoked outrage in Cabinet.

    Gough Whitlam famously rounded on his ministers: “I fly economy and I am a great man and I could fly economy for the rest of my life and I’d still be a great man.

    “But most of the people around this table are pissants, and they could fly first class for the rest of their lives and they’d still be pissants.”

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/parliament-resumes-to-low-approval-ratings-after-entitlements-scandals/story-fnihsr9v-1227476487010

    He was so modest 🙂

    (btw, I fly economy. I’m not drawing anything particular from that though)

  169. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:43 am

    GOLD! 😆

    If that’s an offer, even I’d troll him 🙂

  170. August 11, 2015 8:47 am

    smh””highly-respected CEO also admitted he`d made mistakes during his time””””’

    #aren`t they always `highly respected`

    ON””’sale of its Sensis directories””” smh””The Yellow Pages publisher was valued at $12 billion in 2005”””

    smh””70 per cent of it was sold for just $454 million in 2014”””

    #yaaaaay.boardroom #worth.every.penny

    #better sack coal-face workers or cut their rates

    #aaaah.danger.shark.nibble

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-boss-david-thodey-says-australia-is-losing-innovation-to-singapore-20150430-1mwtir.html

  171. August 11, 2015 8:53 am

    (btw, I fly economy. I’m not drawing anything particular from that though)

    I’m flying business class this Friday. But it’s Jetstar business, so the kind of business class you fly when you’re not really flying business class.

    Mind you, I flew Tiger from Sydney to Melbourne on Sunday.

    I was lucky to make it home alive.

  172. August 11, 2015 8:56 am

    Teabags 2pp at 43% huh, l look forward to them crashing thru the 30% barrier

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:03 am

    “I also wonder if yomms troll is perhaps reluctant to troll for a lower rate?”

    Yes and I know it’s a little contentious, but I considered my personal troll to be like an indentured servant, or maybe someone on a 457 visa.

    There are obligations involved, and a personal troll can’t just up and leave. People just don’t seem to have a sense of responsibility these days.

  174. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:04 am

    Glad you are managing to keep in touch with us common people there reb 😉

    l look forward to them crashing thru the 30% barrier

    Not sure anyone anticipated that after the last election.

    Not sure if you see the info graphic there, but I saw it this morning in the servo, and thought, well, not as bad as I thought, we aint too far away from the US. Should have known, just the oz bullshitting again.

    The Australian target would be below Canada’s ambition of 30 per cent by 2030 and would not keep up with the US target of 26-28 per cent by 2025

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/tony-abbott-cuts-ambitions-on-carbon/story-e6frg6xf-1227478033410

    Ignore the fact that the US has a target of 32%

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:06 am

    He was so modest 🙂

    And so tall, imagine his frame in the economy seats, his legs must have been around his ears!

    I think the hosties would have given him the special leg room seats [the ones we now pay extra for]

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:07 am

    to be like an indentured servant, or maybe someone on a 457 visa.

    Are they above or below a full time student in yomms caste system?

  177. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:10 am

    magine his frame in the economy seats

    I’m not overly tall, but not short wither, and I know I’m quite flexible by the time a plane lands.

    Mind you, I think I read somewhere that the seats are actually closer these days, the same way car parks are smaller too. They forget that some of still drive those old, larger “classics”

    Or, it could be, if it wasn’t such a heap of shit 🙂

  178. August 11, 2015 9:16 am

    tr””the hope of building IT jobs and a digital economy will kind of be more difficult to achieve””’

    #for many of the `it`jobs it is too-late, the qualified have already left for alberta or california for broadband-based development jobs #brain-drain, while outsourcing to india for `projects` is very cheap and well under-way too

    briztimes””’The Coalition ordered the change after Labor’s NBN rollout hit major construction problems and delays. But Mr Rodrigues claimed FTTN(#node) reliance on copper would see it deliver slower speeds”””

    #the teabags didn`t insist on the `copper` in their towns tho, did they, they all wanted fiber to user for themselves

    #the imbeciles have put Aust back by years, maybe even decades in all fields of technology, not just nbn-based tech, everything renew and electric-car too (and the jobs), china must love the teabags, they are the gift to china, that just keeps giving

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:16 am

    In my experience, uni students don’t have the same sense of Monday to Friday as most people in employment. Students often get a day or 2 off during the week, half days, evening tutorials or lectures. Social activities and drinking may be on any night, university sporting clubs are flexible with scheduling…

    Saturday or Sunday will often be as convenient a day for work as any other.

    Full time students don’t require penalties for giving up their weekends.

    (source – ToM’s mate™)

  180. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:35 am

    In my experience, ROFL uni students don’t have the same sense of Monday to Friday as most people in employment.

    Why do they hold their pub crawls on a weekend? Coincidence. You also might want explain that the the Uni footy team.

    Students often get a day or 2 off during the week, half days, evening tutorials or lectures.

    Have you heard of “studying” time?

    Social activities and drinking may be on any night

    I work all week, yet it is not unknown for me to go out on a weeknight. Heaven forbid, I’ve even had a tipple or two 😯

    Saturday or Sunday will often be as convenient a day for work as any other.

    Ah, yCS (yomms Cast System), knowing what’s best fer ’em 😉

    Full time students don’t require penalties for giving up their weekends.

    As I said before, why? You could claim the unemployed don’t do “weekends” either (as vacuously as you have tried with uni / full time students.)

    In my experience, I was a Uni student not too many years ago. I still loved my weekends. But, I worked on many of them, and was extremely thankful for the penalty rates, which helped make it worth my while. Because, I had just spent the week studying, and now, when I should be spending time with my family, I was working to earn money for them.

  181. August 11, 2015 9:37 am

    boo-of.melb””’Saturday or Sunday will often be as convenient a day for work as any other.””’

    #Fine, off`ya go, take the boardrooms, brokers, bankers, exchange-staff, insurance and accountants with`ya.

    #numb.nuts

  182. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:37 am

    This is a brilliant smack down of the murdoch stoopidity.

    I am a trained economist and I initially had no idea what this graph means, but I have studied up on denialist iconography and I shall attempt to expose its secrets for you.

    https://thomaswestland.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/carbon-tax-doomsday-cult-reassembles-the-world-ends-in-2030-now/

    to this ……

  183. August 11, 2015 9:51 am

    thank fcuk, blib was just on my abc speech-making, and he was pretty good, speaking sanely and clearly on the better topics of `good-jobs` and fairness. Too bad blib has left it so late and his knifing/s involvement, as blib was nearly looking `prezidential` and seemed to have a bit of `fire` in his belly.

  184. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:58 am

    Too bad blib has left it so late

    Maybe you check the post at the top of all these snarky rants 😉

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:58 am

    … but I considered my personal troll to be like an indentured servant …

    It’s all about fkn ownership and control with Wannabe Robber Barons™©®°

    Must be that Born To Rule™©®° mentality … hey?

  186. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:04 am

    “…Have you heard of “studying” time?..”

    I wondered about that too. Apparently these students are so brilliant that they don’t need to study or put in assignments!
    In my experience, of myself and my kids, the uni and the work were fitted in due to necessity and the study was managed by pulling an all – nighter or two. Very tiring, exhausting actually. The only people who can manage full time study well are those who are supported by parents financially so that they have the luxury of not needing part time work. Of course, these people get much better grades too.

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:06 am

    The 6 months of ‘Good Government’ is awfully similar to the 18 months prior under

    Actually the economic numbers are not so bad. It looks like the great deterioration of the economic numbers under Labor has slowed.

    Unemployment in 2007= 4.3%
    unemployment in 2013 = 5.8%
    unemployment in 2015= 6.3%

    debt in 2007 = zero
    debt in 2013 = 10% of GDP and exploding
    debt in 2015= still increasing but hopefully not as fast

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:11 am

    This is a brilliant smack down of the murdoch stoopidity.

    And a clever demonstration of Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics and how to present them to Fool The Frightened Folk!

    In fact ask around and you’ll find that no-one actually noticed the introduction of the CT and no-one noticed a change when it was repealed … my electricity bill is still travelling up … what about yours?

    Tony & The Terrorshits have brought this country to a virtual standstill, made us an international laughing stock and set us back 20 years … at least …

    Give ’em another three years and we’ll have the Great Australian Depression, run the risk of invasion and take us back to the 19th Century …

    Abbott – Time To Go!©

  189. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:12 am

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:13 am

    Mind you, I flew Tiger from Sydney to Melbourne on Sunday.

    And Jetstar!

    I’d find a new job. They obviously have no class … do you get a welfare card as well? 😉

  191. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:16 am

  192. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:18 am

    To be fair Turnbull expert at polishing

    Well, I don’t know about expert. In fact, his polishing is quite shit itself. It’s just that most of the media have an investment in that shit, so his polishing gets a further polish from the experts

    They obviously have no class

    I think you will find in NewSpeak, that would be “no Caste” 😉

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:19 am

    In fact ask around and you’ll find that no-one actually noticed the introduction of the CT and no-one noticed a change when it was repealed …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/axed-carbon-tax-aids-qantas-profits/story-e6frfkur-1227239575569

    QANTAS says the government’s repeal of the carbon tax was a major factor in the airline’s return to profit.

    AUSTRALIA’S largest carrier on Thursday announced a statutory profit after tax of $206 million for half year ending December 31, and an underlying profit of $367 million.
    The underlying profit was the airline’s best first-half result since 2010 and an improvement of $619 million compared to the same time last year.

    The airline said the repeal of the carbon tax was significant factor in the underlying profit result, adding $59 million.

  194. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:22 am

    Don’t worry about accountability, transparency, judicial oversight and all those other hallmarks of democracy anymore!

  195. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:26 am

  196. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:32 am

  197. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:38 am

    QANTAS says the government’s repeal of the carbon tax was a major factor in the airline’s return to profit.

    Is that because they didn’t change their prices after the Carbon Tax was killed?

  198. armchair opionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 10:42 am

    “…If you made half your income buying and selling property of shares, you weren’t taxed on that. Only ordinary wage earners paid full tax…”

    http://m.theage.com.au/comment/revenge-bloodymindedness-and-gullibility-the-untaxing-of-capital-gains-20150809-giv8zg.html

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:02 am

    TR, from your NBN link He also said providing more Australians with better internet coverage was far more important than delivering faster internet speeds.

    Dumb statement. Obviously some people are unaware of the commercial value of high speed broadband … let alone the education, health and military values!

    It’s a wonder the organised religious nutjobs haven’t woken up to value of spreading the message “faster”!

    From memory 10% of broadband users need “better coverage” … but its the 90% that will cover the costs of a FTTH system …

  200. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:03 am

    That article reminded me of another I read this morning.

    We have “the second highest level of personal income tax of any country in the OECD”, yet our tax take overall is one of the lowest. So WHO isn’t paying their fair share?

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-joe-hockey-is-not-telling-you-about-your-taxes-20150810-givjmz.html#ixzz3iSpGkSAj
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  201. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:10 am

    Sorry, my last post was in reply to AO @ 10:42 am

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:16 am

    KL, interesting article on Capital Gains Tax and Negative Gearing!

    The comments always highlight the people who gain (hehe) from CGT & NG

    I see huh? is still commenting one of my nastier adversaries of old.

    Get rid of:

    Negative Gearing
    Capital Gains
    Family Trusts
    Superannuation Breaks for the Rich
    Multinational Tax Havens
    Pollies’ Perqs

  203. August 11, 2015 11:21 am

    tb””’no-one actually noticed the introduction of the CT and no-one noticed a change when it was repealed .. my electricity bill is still traveling up .. what about yours?””””#yep.yep.and.yep

    #and as l`m sure you know, the topic will remain a mess, one team in total denial, the other team will return to the same path and get beaten about the head with it

    #both teams lack the wisdom and ethics to do the correct thing and lack the nads to tackle their own `structural` failures

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:23 am

    From TR’s … Link above …

    “Instead of talking about tax cuts, the Treasurer should be looking at ending unfair tax breaks, like negative gearing and capital gains tax exemptions that could bring in an extra $13 billion.”

    Well at least we’ve got the ball rolling now on Negative Gearing! (And CGT)

    Not so sure about Pollie’s Perqs, Multinationals, Rich Super Breaks and there is an ominous silence Trust Funds …

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2015 11:51 am

    Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk 3h3 hours ago

    Average unemployment rate when Australia had a carbon tax was 5.6%

    Average unemployment rate since carbon tax repealed 6.2%

    Just goes to show how dishonest Stephen Koukoulas is. Easily the most dishonest commentator going around.

    And unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007 with no carbon tax.

  206. August 11, 2015 12:07 pm

    “”debt in 2015= still increasing but hopefully not as fast””

    Looks like your “”hope”” was premature Neil…

    Tomorrow the Abbott govt will borrow $1.25billion – not to be repaid till Aug 2040.

    http://aofm.gov.au/ags/tender-announcements/forthcoming-tenders/

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:22 pm

    https://twitter.com/awelder/status/630926441023025152

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:22 pm

  209. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:33 pm

    “Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk 3h3 hours ago

    Average unemployment rate when Australia had a carbon tax was 5.6%

    Average unemployment rate since carbon tax repealed 6.2%”

    So using the Kouk’s logic if we imposed a Carbon Tax at the rate of $237 per tonne (not $23 per tonne under Gillard) we could completely eliminate unemployment.

    What a complete and utterly clueless fuckwit Koukoulas is

  210. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:39 pm

    And for the record after a total 5 days of fishing off the coast in the last 2 weeks I can honestly say I have never seen so many sharks ever off Sydney.

    So much so that we lost a total of 8 rather large tuna fish (until we got them upto the surface) to the bastards of the deep.

    So to all you surfers I say…………………..be afraid…………………….be very afraid.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 12:52 pm

    What a complete and utterly clueless fuckwit Koukoulas is

    Erm, that’s your theory … not Ks 😯

  212. August 11, 2015 1:19 pm

    mmm””’Here is an @abcnews discussion on what our 26-28% means””’

    #l don`t have much faith in much being done, myself. l just don`t see the teabags not denying, not obstructing or not`undoing` enviro-protection measures. Take a look at our canberra-imbeciles and mr-rabbit, they will only deny and undo until some type of catastrophic failure occurs, ditto for fracking, watertable, coal-v-farmland etc

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:20 pm

  214. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:25 pm

    I can honestly say I have never seen so many sharks ever off Sydney.

    Was it an accountant convention out there?

    Erm, that’s your theory … not Ks

    ROFL Valid point TB, that will probably go over heads.

  215. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:27 pm

    This is the most absurd article I have read in some time

    I’m guessing he stopped at one from that particular outlet then AO 😉

  216. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:31 pm

    Form that “article” AO

    The ocean is our domain and sharks have no place destroying lives and livelihoods

    I’m guessing sharks have been moved down the yCS to sit below even full time students.

    They won’t even be getting minimum wage at this rate for eating people on weekends now!

  217. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:53 pm

    Sharks dont stalk humans on purpose.

    They come into shore looking for bait fish of which there is a shitload at the moment. That’s also why there are a load of dolphins and seals around as well

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 1:56 pm

    And for the record after a total 5 days of fishing off the coast in the last 2 weeks I can honestly say I have never seen so many sharks ever off Sydney.

    And here’s me thinking this is the “busy time” for CPA’s* (or so I was told last year) …

    Must be all that saving via negative gearing working …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They won’t even be getting minimum wage at this rate for eating people on weekends now!

    Only single attacks not double … poor buggers …

  219. August 11, 2015 2:05 pm

    l know, `somebody` always misunderstands whenever l mention blib, good or bad

  220. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:09 pm

    `somebody` always misunderstands

    My bad, here I was thinking you were having a dig ……..again 😯

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:12 pm

    I’m guessing sharks have been moved down the yCS to sit below even full time students.
    They won’t even be getting minimum wage at this rate for eating people on weekends now!

    😆

    Those sharks have probably been put there by our border force – gotta keep the boat people from sneaking through to our shores. They are our guard sharks.

    Think of them as extra security for our borders.

    Why are you soft on security and borders walrus?

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:19 pm

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:23 pm

    Me too!

  224. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:27 pm

    Different Speaker, same shit

  225. August 11, 2015 2:31 pm

    ao””Why are you soft on security and borders walrus?””#ROFL

    #That`s right blubbers, we gotta watch-out for the boaties, and with a `budget-emergency` they work at the right price don`t they.?

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:31 pm

    POETIC JUSTICE!

    Now I know I shouldn’t … but this fkn hilarious!

    The former Speaker of the House missed out on a chance to claim a $2,500 prize at her local RSL club when her membership number was pulled out of the badge draw last night.

    General manager of the RSL, Angus Rimmer, confirmed to news.com.au that her number was drawn on Monday night for their weekly cash giveaway.

    “Everyone was having a good laugh, given recent events,” Mr Rimmer said.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/forget-the-speakership-bronwyn-bishop-lost-her-chance-to-claim-the-prize-money-from-her-local-pubs-badge-draw/story-fnu2po3p-1227478839397

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:33 pm

    Why are you soft on security and borders walrus?

    Its all in the name, KL … all in the name … 🙂

  228. August 11, 2015 2:41 pm

    l`m watching question(panto)-time, what a bunch of bullshitting buffoons, even when the questions are good questions that should/need to be properly answered. The `new` speaker is a big improvement tho, shame about the rest of`em.

  229. August 11, 2015 2:41 pm

    How’s the hilarity! The Libs are imploding!

    http://linkis.com/www.afr.com/news/pol/oTl9E

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:42 pm

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:51 pm

    So is Abbott finished? That would be quite funny.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 2:52 pm

    …and I’m eating flake (boneless) whenever possible.

  233. August 11, 2015 3:02 pm

    tingle”””Asked about the gay marriage issue at a press conference later, Mr Abbott told reporters the party room meeting was `brief and spirited`.

    `What I said pre-election was if this matter were to come up in the next parliament, it would be dealt with by the Coalition party room in the usual way.`

    `All of us want a way forward here, whether the way forward is to maintain the existing position or to deal with it in some other way is a matter for the party room. My position hasn’t changed so lets see what the party room comes up with later today.””””via-reb

    #same old, same old from mr-rabbit, and no surprise

    #l noticed this teabag (below) stated plainly the teabags `usual` method of dealing with .. well .. just about anything

    tingle””Liberal backbencher Brett Whiteley then intervened to say the best way to deal with the debate was to put it off.”””

  234. August 11, 2015 3:09 pm

    that tinfoil-cubicle is getting pretty crowded, accommodating `two` boneless creatures:-)

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 3:14 pm

  236. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2015 3:37 pm

    “Why are you soft on security and borders walrus?”

    LOL

    I’m actually quite fond of a bit of evil lurking beneath the sunlight. Kinda gives the eco system a bit of balance with me lurking above the surface

    I just get a bit shitty when they steal our catch of tuna.Mind you I did bag 4 >5kg flatheads when we came closer inshore each evening. Plus a lot of other stuff

    I look at it like this. Would you go to Africa and take a stroll through the Serengetti where somebody like this lurks……..?

    Or would you go across in a vehicle ?????????????

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 3:41 pm

  238. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2015 3:43 pm

    Or would you go across in a vehicle ?

    I’d take a fucken dentist with me!!

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 3:55 pm

    Or would you go across in a vehicle ?????????????

    I’d go across in a vehicle, if I was really scared I wouldn’t be there at all.

    What I wouldn’t do is have such a majestic animal killed in it’s own natural environment, simply because it’s in my way.

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:02 pm

    ***sigh***

    Those trolling comments seem so pointless when they’re not made by my personal troll.

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:04 pm

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:06 pm

    my personal troll©

  243. August 11, 2015 4:06 pm

    guardian”””Bernardi`s views on abortion were well known and that Medicare subsidies for abortion services made the issue a commonwealth one rather than state-specific”””via-ao

    #cory from the canoe-state is pursuing his fetish in the banana-state, fair enough, but l shouldn`t have to fund it

  244. August 11, 2015 4:11 pm

    I think it’s only fair and reasonable that “”boo of pixar”” returns to address ToM’s concerns directly.

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:21 pm

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:45 pm

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:55 pm

    That would be bringing in the nats to a liberal party meeting.

    tricky & devious, as always.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 4:58 pm

    Yes, once you’ve had a personal troll, it is a difficult adjustment going back to plain, run of the mill, normal trolls.

    It’s like… having experienced a butler to bring everything to you at your whim, but now you just have a dog that fetches the paper.

    Or having become used to first class flights, only to now find yourself relegated to the awful economy class with the plastic cutlery and horrible wine.

    It is simply unsatisfactory and should not be allowed on a quality blog!

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2015 5:12 pm

    Abbott is playing with fire.

    Tony Abbott’s leadership authority crisis deepens:
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-abbotts-leadership-authority-crisis-deepens-20150811-giwfrh?stb=twt#ixzz3iUJBiaBx

    …The Prime Minister’s tactics on Tuesday has further alienated colleagues, and deepened divisions within the parliamentary party.

    One described the Liberal Party meeting as a “shambles”, arguing that if Mr Abbott had “come in and said as a Liberal Party we should have a free vote”, that would have been accepted as a proper assertion of the way the party works.

    “By looking as if he’s trying to avoid the vote he looks like he is both trying to stifle the debate and impose his own will on the party, instead of consulting as he promised”, a source said…

    …One MP said “things are getting much worse” with fractures developing not just with the backbench but repeatedly now with the frontbench too.

    “He’s digging in, just stubbornly insisting on his positions, despite everything.

    “There is widespread exasperation with what is now happening”…

  250. August 11, 2015 5:26 pm

    via-ao”””Peter Hartcher asserting on Sky that two weeks ago PM told supporters he was prepared to use `tricky` processes to avert gay marriage vote”””

    #another fine example of the teabag-imbeciles, prepared to throw(waste) unlimited resources at at something that they shouldn`t, l`m pretty sure Aust acknowledges/accepts citizens marriage of other countries (say-teh-usa) so will accept married gays when they migrate here, but will then try and shaft Aust gays over their marriage. Stupid fcuks.

  251. August 11, 2015 5:34 pm

    via ao”””He`s digging in, just stubbornly insisting on his positions, despite everything.”””

    ”””There is widespread exasperation with what is now happening””’

    #that`s good to hear, l really don`t mind mr-rabbit using john-w`s `sorry-day` strategy, l enjoyed that result:-)

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 6:10 pm

    So is Abbott finished? That would be quite funny.

    No, no, no, no, no, no … yes!

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 6:12 pm

    …and I’m eating flake (boneless) whenever possible.

    Is that so they think your a cannibal? Make sure you fart in the water … ’cause you’ll shit yerself if one finds ya!

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 6:20 pm

    I think it’s only fair and reasonable that “”boo of pixar”” returns to address ToM’s concerns directly.

    Either that or tell him to just Fuck Off™©®°

    ToM I mean … 🙂

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 6:24 pm

    It is simply unsatisfactory and should not be allowed on a quality blog!

    So you’d have a bit more empathy for not cutting penalty rates too … hey, cobber?©

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 6:29 pm

    Seriously, I do hope that Abbott ISN’T rolled and hangs on ’til the next election … there are so many people that want to crucify him … and ALL who allowed him to ponce around in our backyards and overseas!

    The Mad Fkn Abbott alright!

    And what a cruel joke on Australians who voted him in … if it turns out that he really does still hold British citizenship …

  257. August 11, 2015 6:31 pm

    “”Or having become used to first class flights, only to now find yourself relegated to the awful economy class with the plastic cutlery and horrible wine.””

    Yes, even TB must know what we’re talking about here, with him only going to see the movies at so-called “Gold Class” – even though the food is just a small step up from food court material and the wine is insipid.

    Actually forget I said anything. TB wouldn’t relate to what we’re talking about at all..

    I bet at Gold Class they fill up the wine bottles from something bought in bulk cardboard boxes with “Village Cinemas Red” stamped on the side, or something like that.

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2015 8:47 pm

    So called Gold Class, with its boxed wine.

    Meanwhile, I’m just having a nice 2002 cab sav at the local byo.

    Losing a personal troll is like having to go back to boxed wine

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:49 pm

    Yep … boxed alright …

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:50 pm

    Of course! They still watch films at the drive-in in Mexico … should have remembered!

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:51 pm

    G’d nicht, tha’ ‘nu’ ….

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2015 9:54 pm

    And still they come …

    FEDERAL Labor and the Australian Greens have condemned a plan by the Abbott government to force young job seekers to wait for four weeks before they receive a welfare payment.

    A PARLIAMENTARY committee, chaired and dominated by government senators, recommended the budget measure – which also strips about $48 a week from 22- to 24-year-olds on welfare – be passed.

    But in dissenting reports, Labor and Greens senators said the recommendation did not reflect most of the submissions on the bill made to the inquiry and accused the government of attacking young people.

    The two parties are concerned the measures would push vulnerable people into financial hardship.

    The government this year scaled back the 2014 budget measure from a six-month wait to four weeks.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:42 am

    No good saying ‘let the people decide’ on SSM and then offering voters the hope of a non-binding plebiscite in the distant future, that means nothing, and abbott would likely sabotage it anyway. It should be a referendum.

  264. August 12, 2015 3:38 pm

    Over-excited team-cheerers should probably refrain from,

    ””’You mean like, allow a conscience vote or something?””’

    and trying to sing blib, or kevin07, or jooLiars praises, particularly jooLiars. The `Low-hanging` fruit of `voluntary-euthanasia` and `gay-marriage` and `abortion-non-interference` were there for the picking by the unmarried, atheist, female prime-meddler, if only she had the `wisdom`.

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