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Tony Abbott, self-sabotage and marriage equality

August 12, 2015

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The following article is by Jane Gilmore…

Tony Abbott was never going to come out of a marriage equality debate well. Even when he wins, he loses. And, politics being what it is, I can’t help but wonder how much that played a part in Liberal MP Warren Entsch’s private members bill, which forced the government to declare a position.

Still, he didn’t have to lose quite as idiotically as he did.

Abbott called a combined party room meeting yesterday, in which the Coalition voted 66-33 against allowing a conscience vote on the cross party private members bill to legalise marriage equality. Of the 79 Liberal party member, 33 supported the free vote.

“I’ve come to the view – I believe this is the party room view – that this is the last term in which the Coalition party room can be bound, although we will definitely maintain the current position for the life of this term,” Abbott said.

In other words, he knows the majority of the country (72% according to one poll) are in favour of marriage equality, but the government is going to vote against it anyway. That’s a hell of a position to take for one of the most unpopular Prime Ministers we’ve ever had.

“Going into the next election, we will finalise another position. The disposition of the party room this evening is that our position going into the next election should be that in a subsequent term of parliament, this is a matter that should rightly be put to the Australian people.”

This is his attempt at a sop to the proponents of marriage equality in the party and the electorate. He’s offering a “a plebiscite, or a constitutional referendum” in their next term (assuming they get one).

Which is odd, because a referendum is only required to make changes to the constitution. Marriage is defined as being between “a man and a woman” in legislation, not in the constitution, and the High Court has already ruled that the Federal Government can make changes to the definition of marriage.

A referendum isn’t needed and wouldn’t be relevant. A plebiscite is basically just a very expensive poll, it has no force in law, so while it might be politically difficult to ignore, it’s not legally binding.

Additionally, the political tactics Abbott used to force this vote through have further destabilised an already chaotic party room.

The combined party meeting (Liberals and Nationals) rather than just a Liberal party meeting, which he sprang on the joint party room without talking to his Cabinet first, was described by Christopher Pyne as “branch stacking”, an attempt to ensure that the vote would go against changing the party position.

But there were only 21 National members in the party room and 3 of them supported the free vote. If the vote was 66-33, Abbott didn’t need those extra 17 votes.

If he didn’t know this before the meeting then he should probably reconsider his career as a professional politician. Why cause such internal disruption and bad feeling over a vote he was going to win anyway?

He also said that of the 33 yes votes, around 12 of them would have voted against the marriage equality bill.

So his argument was that he won the ballot against allowing conscience votes, even though a conscience vote wouldn’t have had the numbers from his side to win, and he did it on an issue that he knows the majority of the country in in favour of, but if he’s given a second term he’ll ask the nation if it is in favour of it, without in any way being bound by the result of that poll.

And the reason for all of this is because his only support in the party is on the hard right conservative side, he cannot afford to fall out with people like Cory Bernardi if he wants to hold on to the leadership.

It’s a very short term view, given that there will be an election some time in the next 18 months, where falling out with the Australian people is going to do him, and the party, a lot more damage.

None of this is really all that surprising though. If Abbott has demonstrated a refined skill at anything over his Prime Ministership, it’s a singular ability to self-sabotage.

What is surprising is that his party is still so willing to allow his self inflicted injuries to bleed all over the rest of them. If current polls continue the Coalition will lose the next election.

Why are they still so willing to go down with Abbott’s ship?

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442 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2015 9:57 am

    This is the issue that proves the libs are just a pack of narrow minded bigots.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 10:25 am

    I like Sarah Hanson-Young’s comment … Tony is Toast!

    We don’t need an expensive plebiscite … we don’t need an expensive referendum … we’ve already got an expensive wimpy government … run by a madman who can’t make decisions or keep promises … and puts everything off till the next election …

    What we need is a government that:

    ► Works for the people;

    ► Listens to the people;

    ► Is not controlled by Big Business and the Catholic Church;

    ► Is capable of electing a leader who is not an ideological (selfish) dictator; and

    ► Can make honest decisions quickly …

    What we really need is a Double Dissolution of Parliament … but the bunch of cowards – Tony & The Terrorshits wouldn’t dare do that …

    It’s Time Tony!

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 10:31 am

    What is surprising is that his party is still so willing to allow his self inflicted injuries to bleed all over the rest of them. If current polls continue the Coalition will lose the next election.

    Why are they still so willing to go down with Abbott’s ship?

    Something many of us have been saying for some time …

    … although I’m still astounded at how long it takes people to actually see what’s going on around them … in families, in the workplace and within social groups … and especially in politics …

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 11:00 am

    So the Liberals now have a free vote not a conscience vote … because they have no conscience?

  5. August 12, 2015 11:03 am

    Abbott sends a shot across the bow in Talcum’s direction….

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 11:19 am

    Maybe Turnbull needs to reply with a broadside … or a Boarding Party!

    Although I’d like to see Tony The Terrorshit stay in “power” until the next election!

  7. August 12, 2015 11:21 am
  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2015 11:58 am

    It’s Time Tony!

    Why didn’t Gillard do something when in power which was not that long ago.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-not-swayed-by-nz-gay-marriage-vote/story-fn59niix-1226623243953

    JULIA Gillard says she’s not about to change her mind to support gay marriage just because New Zealand has legalised it.

    As Australian gay couples contemplate trips across the Tasman to tie the knot, the Prime Minister remained firm in her opposition to same-sex marriage.

    “I doubt we’re going to end up agreeing, I’m sorry” Ms Gillard told a gay marriage supporter at last night’s community cabinet meeting in Melbourne.

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:04 pm

    Times have changed! It doesn’t take long – once people start to think about it it’s obvious.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:08 pm

    Why didn’t Gillard do something when in power which was not that long ago.

    HTF would I know … she was wrong then and we said so here …

    It’s 2015 … do keep up!

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:09 pm

    Kneel, do you support gay marriage equality or not?

    Or do you support Tony Abbott’s comments from last night?

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:16 pm

    Reform ahs come a long way in a short time – “The 1984 law reforms decriminalised homosexual sex, whilst the 2003 amendments equalised the age of consent for homosexual and heterosexual forms of sex.”.

    Marriage equality will happen sooner or later. Obama was against it when first elected. Same with Gillard. But public sentiment overtook them. Abbott still hasn’t readx the writing on the wall.

  13. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:31 pm

    Why didn’t Gillard do something when in power which was not that long ago.

    You mean like, allow a conscience vote or something?

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:36 pm

    Well Jhockey did park himself right across the doorway …

    I see Kneel is still asking his Young Liberal Supervisor how he should answer my questions?

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:44 pm

    Times have changed! It doesn’t take long – once people start to think about it it’s obvious.

    How come Labor does not do anything about these “its time” things when in power. Makes me think they are just playing politics. What did Labor do about multinational tax avoidance, negative gearing, superannuation, politicians perks etc etc

    And i take the traditional view of marriage being between a man and a women.

  16. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2015 12:59 pm

    “And i take the traditional view of marriage being between a man and a women.”

    That’s fine NoS you are entitled to that opinion even though you’ll get screamed at by the Lefties.

    I take the view…………….

    “Well is it going to make a fig of difference to me ?………………….Nope……………………..

    Do I therefore really care ?…………………….Nope……………………

    Is it anything in it for me…………………………Yep………………………………

    My solicitor clients do expect a bit more business with Gay Divorces eventually…………………..

    Which means I’ll charge them more……………………………….so it’s a Win Win.”

    Besides let the Nation move on from this distraction causing fringe policy

  17. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2015 1:12 pm

    What did Labor do about multinational tax avoidance, negative gearing, superannuation, politicians perks etc etc

    multinational tax avoidance
    They legislated to tighten the transfer pricing rules, closed loopholes in the Offshore Banking, and moved to prevent ‘dividend washing’. Plus a fair bit in the pipeline. All unwound now 😦

    negative gearing
    Squibbed it

    superannuation
    A bloody lot. They legislated to increase to the super guarantee change from 9% to 12%, imposed an additional tax on superannuation contributions for those earning more than $300,000 and an announcement to cap the tax exemption for earnings on superannuation assets supporting income streams at $100,000, with a concessional tax rate of 15 per cent applying thereafter, and a government super contribution of a max of $500 for those earning loess than $37,000.

    politicians perks
    The pollies perks I listed some of in the other thread, go back and read it and don’t be so forgetful. It’s only been a couple of days.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2015 2:16 pm

    …Abbott sends a shot across the bow in Talcum’s direction….

    I wonder if that might be a good idea?
    Have the vote with the bi-party bill [entsch & ?miller] and then all in favour cross the floor. Half his front bench gone in a flash, no-one left with any credibility, just the seat warming zombies and branch stackers, causing a crisis of confidence in the party. Tony and his nutters on parade. Then elect a new leader.

    I’d like to see that.

    If only they had the guts

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2015 2:26 pm

    …So the Liberals now have a free vote not a conscience vote … because they have no conscience?…

    yeah, that confused me too TB. Isn’t a conscience vote the same as a free vote? Sounds to me like some in the party manufacturing a difference between the two so that the social progressives can’t vote according to their conscience but binding them to a non-free vote. The hypocritical thing is they spruik that their party allows personal choice and crossing the floor, in reality if they do it they are politically dead.

    What is the difference between a ‘free’ and a conscience vote on abortion and euthanasia?

    A party full of tricky lawyers!

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2015 2:35 pm

    Free speech? Where’s the bolter & the IPA?

    http://enpassant.com.au/2015/08/12/telling-the-truth-about-scabs-costs-a-union-200000/

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:04 pm

    To be reasonable, KL … the Judge seems to get it right in my opinion …

    … while I understand the reasoning behind solidarity for unions … I’ve been a “victim” of it …

    The company I completed my apprenticeship with, I worked for 16 years … towards the end of that time I was back on the pre-delivery workshop floor and the AMWU decided to move in … I resisted for over six months … the lone ranger … until I was told by the union branch that they would take everyone out on strike if I didn’t join … I’d known most of these people for many years – and some of their families – many had children … and many struggled day to day, week to week just to provide … so I capitulated with one proviso … that the AMWU provide me with a copy of their Rules free of charge (they were $5) … they agreed and brought me my copy – along with the Secretary … he said he wanted to give it to me personally but only if I agreed to be the workshop rep … I agreed – to keep the bastards honest!

    But this I don’t like. (my bold)

    Justice Siopis found the MUA and assistant state secretary Will Tracey contravened the Fair Work Act by distributing posters naming five people and labelling them scabs.

    The MUA was fined $80,000 and ordered to jointly pay with Mr Tracey a total of $120,000 to the five employees.

    Mr Tracey was also ordered to pay $15,000 for his breach of the act.

    In his judgment, Justice Siopis said the emotional distress of each of the five named employees was factored into the compensation awarded to them.

    “Each of the five named employees experienced a continuing fear of physical harm to themselves and their family, and the fear of damage to property,” he said.

    In a statement, Fair Work Ombudsman Natalie James said the MUA’s conduct “showed a complete disregard for the workplace rights and the personal wellbeing of individual employees”.

    “The conduct had a significant personal impact on the affected workers, and the court has clearly taken a dim view of the behaviour,” Ms James said.

    Mr Tracey declined to comment.

    $200,000 is pretty cheap, I’d say …

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:07 pm

    And i take the traditional view of marriage being between a man and a women.

    Thought you might.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just for Wally … aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. August 12, 2015 3:24 pm

    l predicted pre-election (here) mr-rabbit and his zombie-team would produce zero on any of the `personal-liberties` front, or maybe even go backwards on them. Unfortunately my predictions so far are correct. lt is no surprise that the teabags are just using `gay-marriage` as a distraction and noise-making exercise. Nor is it a surprise that canoe-state cory is trying to rally anti-abortion, pro-imbecile looneys in the banana-state, trying to use the repug-style argument that `govt` pays for it and shouldn`t. These teabag arguments also show the `petty`, `nasty` and `stupid` beliefs of a team and its leader so far from the reality of life for many citizens, and their arrogance they think they know better. Like teebz, l want mr-rabbit to remain captain of the zombie-titanic as it collides with the electoral-iceberg.

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:38 pm

    “Free speech? Where’s the bolter & the IPA?”

    KL. if you rely on that Marxist nutter John Pissant then you are going to be continually embarrassed when you have the truth pointed out to you.

  25. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:39 pm

    “aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Yep……….if there is a buck in it it cant be too bad ……………..LOL

  26. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:41 pm

    “Justice Siopis found the MUA and assistant state secretary Will Tracey contravened the Fair Work Act by distributing posters naming five people and labelling them scabs.”

    And people wonder why the members of the MUA get dismissed by SMS and email.

    Such a charming bunch they are .

  27. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:48 pm

    “l want mr-rabbit to remain captain of the zombie-titanic as it collides with the electoral-iceberg.”

    TBagz I think he shot himself in the foot last night with the National Party ambush. He wont be there by election time but its much harder for the ALP to jettison Shifty Shorten.

    And dont for a minute think Shifty is much better. He can only deliver a free vote with no guarantees of getting thru the lower house. Then there is the Senate.

    At least Abbott is promising a plebiscite which cant really be ignored but he needs to put a reasonably exact date to it for it to be credible.

  28. August 12, 2015 3:54 pm

    doh #this belongs here,

    Beam`Me`Up`Teabag said

    Over-excited team-cheerers should probably refrain from,

    ””’You mean like, allow a conscience vote or something?””’

    and trying to sing blib, or kevin07, or jooLiars praises, particularly jooLiars. The `Low-hanging` fruit of `voluntary-euthanasia` and `gay-marriage` and `abortion-non-interference` were there for the picking by the unmarried, atheist, female prime-meddler, if only she had the `wisdom`. August 12, 2015 at 03:38PM

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 3:56 pm

    At least Abbott is promising a plebiscite which cant really be ignored but he needs to put a reasonably exact date to it for it to be credible.

    We don’t need to pay millions of dollars for a plebiscite … we already know that upwards of 70% of “ordinary” Australians want it to happen …

    It’s this silly time and money wasting (now its been brought to everyone’s attention by Jhockey in his “budgets” and Silly Bitch Bishop’s spending) … that is driving everyone up the wall …

    Waste everywhere you turn and its certainly government spending that’s the problem … on themselves!

    Tony Terrorshit CANNOT make reasonable decisions because he’ is blinded by his religious and political ideaologies … both of which hark back to the 19th century …

  30. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2015 4:06 pm

    “… we already know that upwards of 70% of “ordinary” Australians want it to happen … ”

    Really ……………..?

    So now we are running the joint based on opinion polls.

    You conveniently (because its your side) forget that even Shifty Bill cannot guarantee a Yes vote. He will have some opposition to Yes in the Senate ya know.

  31. August 12, 2015 4:08 pm

    blubbers””’Abbott is promising”””

    #l doubt his `promising` carries any weight beyond the zombie-herd

    blubbers””’He wont be there by election time””’

    #we have to wait and see, l don`t think the teabags have the nads to `knife` a first-term pm no matter how bad, they didn`t even have the nads to give john-w the push when he was clearly out of steam

    blubbers””’much harder for the ALP to jettison Shifty Shorten””’

    #sure, agree. But l don`t put it past the alp to find some alternative way to implode

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 4:48 pm

    So now we are running the joint based on opinion polls.

    And what do you think a plebiscite is except one big poll?

    We should be doing these things on-line by now …

    It really is a no-brainer but Tony Terrorshit hasn’t got one …

    2009 – 2011 …

    http://www.australianmarriageequality.org/who-supports-equality/a-majority-of-australians-support-marriage-equality/

    Trending? 1996 – 2015

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/117328/marriage.aspx

    And …

    Support among Australians for same-sex marriage and for a conscience vote in the Coalition has reached an all-time high, according to a survey by the Liberal Party’s own pollster.

    A Crosby Textor poll, commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality, has found that 72 per cent of Australians want same-sex marriage legalised, while 77 per cent think Coalition MPs should be granted a conscience vote.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-shows-growing-support-for-samesex-marriage-20140714-3bxaj.html

  33. August 12, 2015 4:54 pm

    blubbers””’already know that upwards of 70% of..””’

    #70% for gay marriage #85% for voluntary euthanasia

    #ya`wasting ya`time if ya`denying the numbers blubbers

    blubbers””’now we are running the joint based on opinion polls””’

    #shouldn`t a so-called `democracy` be granting the (little-to-NO-cost) wishes of it`s citizens, after all, we always use it as the fall-back excuse for our invasion misadventures and international blunders

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 6:11 pm

    Victoria’s new “logo”

    Thought it looked familiar … even the colours are the same … $220,000 LOL!

  35. August 12, 2015 6:39 pm

    state logo

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-rQCdtA90Pmf2SljilVf__K6gAngufqk8oWoBitils-xhMlbMQ9QLsUk

    (some folks want to create a `republic` based on it)

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2015 6:49 pm

    (some folks want to create a `republic` based on it)

    Some folks in Canberra already ARE!

  37. August 12, 2015 7:47 pm

    the morrison teabag is on reportland trying to hide behind a `referendum` and claiming `the-people` should choose. Since `when` have the teabags given a flying fcuk about `anything` teh-people actually want. Nothing but impoverished, backward, dog-club type excuses were given

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2015 11:16 pm

    When did christine forster become the face of gay australia?
    All of a sudden she’s a minor celebrity, every tv channel wanting to know what she thinks when people like rodney croome and others have been doing the hard yards for yonks!

  39. August 13, 2015 9:05 am
  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:08 am

    Howard didn’t ask the people before he added the words ‘between a man & a woman’ to the marriage act, why do so now?

    Here come da bomb!

    Is Abbott wanting to get back into his comfort zone, his little happy place? Hang on Australia!

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:10 am

    Bloody hell that didn’t take (Rupert) long …

    EIGHT ordinary Australians have been included on an Islamic State ‘hit list’, with terror group figures encouraging them to be killed on sight.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/australians-on-chilling-islamic-state-hit-list/story-fnjwnj25-1227481360293

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:17 am

  43. August 13, 2015 9:20 am

    TB’s got a new book out…

  44. August 13, 2015 9:22 am

    The Loneliness Of The Long-Distance Prime Minister…

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2015/08/13/the-liberals-in-crisis/

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:22 am

    Now riddle me this: does the Abbott cabinet not run and articulate security policy any more?

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/aug/13/security-committee-chair-says-bomb-syria-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-55cbc594e4b0ae8bc9dc9910

    …I ask the question because this morning we read the chairman of parliament’s joint intelligence and security committee, Dan Tehan, thinks we should be bombing Islamic State targets in Syria…

    …All this foregrounding is about as subtle as a meat axe – and we all know how much the prime minister desires a point of difference between the government and Labor on a security issue. We’ve seen that dynamic play out in bursts of pure politics (never mind coherence or fairness or technicalities or the long game) for the best part of 12 months.

    The only question in my mind is: why is the backbench leading the charge?…

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:39 am

    TB’s got a new book out…

    Yeah, I saw him on Lateline a few days back (and commented on it {?})

    Not the first time:

    Wonder if I can sue for plagiarism?

    Still it’s noice to have a little impact in the world … as I’m sure you know Blogmeister … 😉

    “I prefer to Thrive in a society, not Survive in an economy!”

    Prosperity With Integrity!

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:44 am

    Oh noes! dastardly ISIL hackers have got the personal details of some ADF people and an MP. How did they get their hands on computers?

    All that money going to defence and ASIO and aussie citizens have every move we make, everything we say, do, view and type scrutinised. They obviously forgot to look outside of australia.

    If that isn’t going to put the frighteners on everyone, is it worth a 6 or 8 flag national alert?

    Can someone please go and get julian assange out so he can help us out.

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/12/22/36/isil-hackers-post-personal-details-of-adf-employees-victorian-mp

    …Islamic State hackers have reportedly released the personal details of a Victorian MP, Australian Defence Force employees and their relatives, as well as some public servants and encouraged attacks on them…

    …The Victorian MP, who Fairfax declined to name, said he was worried about the welfare of his family and had contacted the parliamentarian security detail…

    …Both the Department of Defence and the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) both declined to comment citing it was an operational matter…

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:54 am

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:21 am

    Dream on …

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:25 am

    The ALP always produces a more corrupt, unequal, unfair society. Mainly because the supporters of the ALP are corrupt and unfair.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:34 am

    haha

    Jobs and economy, not something the libs are boasting about since they ruined both!

    Libs addiction to zombie economics like workchoices will always produce a more corrupt, unfair and unequal society. Trickle up is rejected now and will be whenever they have the guts to ever voice it to the people. But they don’t, do they? They sneak it in and take us hostage to the corporations, the miners and the wealthy 1%.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:38 am

    Funny how Kneel accuses the ALP of what the LNP actually does …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fossil fuel is really well named, hey?

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:39 am

    Jobs and economy, not something the libs are boasting about since they ruined both!

    What? In just under 2 years?

    Unemployment in 2007 = 4.3%
    Unemployment in 2103 = 5.8%

    Govt debt in 2007 = ZERO
    govt debt in 2013 = 10% of GDP and exploding

    kids in detention in 2007 = ZERO
    kids in detention in 2013 = 2,000

    asylum seekers in detention in 2007 =6
    asylum seekers in detention= thousands

    corrupt and immoral people = corrupt and immoral results

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:43 am

    erm … duh … tabs?

    2015?

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:44 am

    The Abbott has been after military aggression for a year or more, the only thing that has stpped him is the US has not caved in to his desire. Looks like he sees Syria as his poll jump to the next election. We are going to be bombarded with ‘security’ now, that will get SSM and the chaos that is his coalition govt off the front pages he thinks.

    How low will he go for his personal ambition?

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:45 am

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:52 am

    Hehehe … Tony Terrorshit must have really sore feet – he’s shot himself in them so mnay times … LOL!

    FRUSTRATED Liberal Party fundraisers are privately talking-up the joint leadership potential of Julie Bishop and Malcolm Turnbull as they lament their inability to raise money under Tony Abbott’s prime ministership.

    The message has reached the office of moderate Liberal Party frontbenchers, who are fuming over Mr Abbott’s decision to prevent a conscience vote on gay marriage.

    It was described to The Courier-Mail by by one frontbench office as “the worst captain’s pick” Mr Abbott had made and talks are re-emerging of Mr Turnbull not ruling out a challenge for the leadership. Read the full story here.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:57 am

    [Savva]…Meanwhile, moderates see a plebiscite/referendum as a ruse to set the issue up for defeat. They do not trust Abbott to frame the question fairly.

    When he told his partyroom its base had to be respected otherwise “people would be forced to vote for fringe parties like Family First”, some of them could not help but conclude his way risked forever changing the character of the Liberal Party and turning it into one of those fringe groups…

    …The view from the inner suburbs differs from the outer. What they also know is that important as it is, this debate has meant almost another week, after many, many such weeks, has passed without serious discussion of the economy, or tax or jobs or growth…

    He already has [turned the libs into a cultist, fringe group]. No self respecting lib could possibly be singing the praises of the libs.

  59. August 13, 2015 12:23 pm

    “”He already has [turned the libs into a cultist, fringe group]. No self respecting lib could possibly be singing the praises of the libs.””

    Strongly agree!

  60. August 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    This just keeps on getting better and better….! 🙂

    This just in from the “”disunity is death”” party…

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-teresa-gambaro-the-third-government-mp-to-defy-tony-abbott-20150813-giy4i7.html

  61. August 13, 2015 12:33 pm
  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 1:55 pm

    Why do you lefties repeat yourself so much?

  63. August 13, 2015 3:33 pm

    ^ Pot, meet kettle

  64. August 13, 2015 3:34 pm

    YomM’s opinion on the self immolation of the credibility of the Royal Commisioner?

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 3:43 pm

    Why do you lefties repeat yourself so much?

    Chuckle … says the copy and paste …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tony The Terrorshit leaps from crisis to crisis … not sure which one is more serious … the Haydon farce or the same sex marriage fiasco …

    Either way this lot needs to take some honesty and openness pills and get off the ice …

  66. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:10 pm

    “Fossil fuel is really well named, hey?”

    TB

    Everything you eat and drink could be termed “Fossil fuel”

  67. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:12 pm

    Have my eyes gone all wonky and started to stutter or is there something wrong with Twitter today.

    Every tweet I see is appearing multiple times ……………

  68. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:12 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    😯

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:14 pm

    bronnies gonna be like a walk in the park compared with the shitstorm this SHOULD unleash

  70. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:14 pm

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:19 pm

    Everything you eat and drink could be termed “Fossil fuel”

    Very droll … ageist too …

  72. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:20 pm

    YomM’s opinion on the self immolation of the credibility of the Royal Commisioner?

    He shouldn’t be paid double time if it’s on a Saturday night?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:25 pm

    Just watched Brandis ignore the same question from a journo … “is it a fundraiser?” … Brandis “I don’t know” – “I don’t know” – “I’ve already answered that question” …

    I was waiting for “operational secrecy” …

    er, Georgey, the ticket says funds go to the Liberal Party … you’re lying – again … not a good look for Attorney General …

  74. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:26 pm

    lol wally

    Is Heydon about to be “de-gloved”? 🙂

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:26 pm

    So we can’t accuse Wally of being a dick anymore …?

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:27 pm

    Georgey, the ticket says funds go to the Liberal Party

    Will it pass the “sniff” test?

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:50 pm

    Heydon looks like he’s stuffed it.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:53 pm

    … and Brandis … and Abbott … in fact the whole bleedin’ lot of corrupt, shylocks and cheaters …

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 4:54 pm

    Time we had a Royal Commission on corruption and conflict of interest in the Liberal Party …

  80. armchair opionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:01 pm

    All I can say is they just can’t help themselves can they?
    Seems everything the libs do is considered a fundraising opportunity and the HRC is even raising funds for the libs!
    Unreal
    I read an opinion piece last night where the reporter was saying that Abbott’s leadership causing a lack of donations to the party.
    Capt Chaos can’t last much longer surely?

  81. armchair opionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:06 pm

    What is wrong with them?
    Any normal person can easily determine a conflict of interest and corrupt cronyism, is it so deeply entrenched this behaviour that they have no ethical or moral boundaries at all?

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:11 pm

    … is it so deeply entrenched this behaviour that they have no ethical or moral boundaries at all?

    ‘Fraid so,KL, comes with all that religious belief … in themselves … the unwashed unbelievers are no more than slaves to the real cause … and amount to naught in the big pitcher (sic) … 🙂

    Just sayin’ …

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:16 pm

    Heydon looks like he’s stuffed it.

    Actually, it looks more like yabot stuffed it (3turc) with heyDon 😉

    they have no ethical or moral boundaries at all?

    they have no ethical or moral boundaries at all?

    (just had to be said again, loudly 😉 )

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:48 pm

    Heydon was invited several years ago to give the Barwick lecture. Anyway he has pulled out

    And it was not a party fundraiser. Just another media beatup.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:54 pm

    Wrong … wrong … wrong …

  86. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 5:54 pm

    Anyway he has pulled out

    Yea, but I reckon he’d already blown his load.

    And it was not a party fundraiser.

    Who cares, it was a liberal party event (with donations going to the libs)

  87. August 13, 2015 5:56 pm

    “Heydon looks like he’s stuffed it.”

    Pretty dumb, from someone who shoulda known better than to show their true colours (and let’s face it, he fkn knew it would be an ugly look…and he is obviously in AbbottCorp’s pocket).

    Also, the bloke who the ‘event’ is named after has a very politically aligned history. google the fucker.

  88. August 13, 2015 6:00 pm

    “Just watched Brandis ignore the same question from a journo … “is it a fundraiser?” … Brandis “I don’t know” – “I don’t know” – “I’ve already answered that question” …”

    I watched that live and he was very unconvincing. Pitifully deceptive even. Only the Kneels of Australia would have bought that shit.

  89. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:03 pm

    And if a dog dont getya at Bondi maybe this will

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/shark-sighting-clears-bondi-beach-20150813-giykm1.html

  90. August 13, 2015 6:07 pm

    Even Bolt is more wary of the credibility destruction of this, than Kneel; quelle surprise. 🙄

    Not to take away from the examples of Union corruption which have definitely been uncovered along the way…but this has now been exposed as the obvious political machination which it always was; a direct abuse of executive power to implement an attack upon political adversaries…stacked and predetermined.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:09 pm

    WTF Wally we know the look over there tactic …

    Do I give a shit if ya had yer dick bitten off by a dog? Or a shark cleared Bondi? … one of the shittiest beaches in Oz, BTW …

    … let’s have a comment about the Haydon fuck up … your “defence” will have me ROFLMAO …

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:10 pm

    Heydon was invited years ago to give the 6th annual Barwick lecture.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-13/dyson-heydon-liberal-party-fundraiser-speaker/6694170

    Several years ago the coordinator of the Sir Garfield Barwick Address, which is sponsored by members of the legal profession, who also happen to be Party members (via the relevant professional branch), approached the Hon. Dyson Heydon AC QC to deliver this year’s memorial lecture…..Earlier this morning I was advised that the Hon. Dyson Heydon would not be able to attend and deliver the Address. This decision followed contact by the coordinator with the Hon. Dyson Heydon yesterday. The lecture was to have taken place at a Sydney city hotel and the $80 per head was to have covered the cost of a three course meal and associated expenses in organising the event……The suggestion that this memorial lecture was a significant fundraising event is ridiculous.

    Just another media beatup.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:13 pm

    Not to take away from the examples of Union corruption which have definitely been uncovered along the way…

    Agree but it didn’t need the expense of a RC … its more devious purpose was to belittle and demean Rudd, Gillard and Shorten …

    And provide ammunition for the next election … always hard to wipe all the mud off …

  94. August 13, 2015 6:15 pm

    “During the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, he controversially[6] advised Governor-General Sir John Kerr on the constitutional legality of dismissing a prime minister who declined to advise an election when unable to obtain passage of supply. This was significant, because Barwick and Gough Whitlam, whose government Kerr dismissed, had a history of antipathy dating from the mid-1950s. Further, Whitlam had refused Kerr’s request for permission to consult Barwick, or to act on any advice except his own.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garfield_Barwick

    As if Heydon isn’t a fkn patsy.

  95. August 13, 2015 6:20 pm

    Try all you might, you can’t expunge the stench, Kneel. Nor can the polemicists whom are divulging these tangential rearguard defences which you are now promulgating, via them.

    “Heydon was invited years ago to give the 6th annual Barwick lecture. ”

    So, was he the Royal Komandant into political opponents then Kneel? No? Thought not.

    Surely even you can see how this taints everything?! (of course you can’t)

    And what of him only ‘declining’ the invitation, within minutes of it becoming publically divulged, even though the invites went out in April.

    As usual, none so blind!

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:25 pm

    As if Heydon isn’t a fkn patsy.

    Maybe he is but it looks like Labor is up to its normal tactics. Trying to smear a human being because this person could damage the Labor cause.

    Anyway Heydon pulled out of the Barwick lecture which he was invited to give years ago. I guess we will have to assume that Heydon votes Liberal. Let us hope he gives a fare judgement.

    What do you people want? An unbiased person? No such person exists. Fact is Labor is up to its normal gutter trash behaviour.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:26 pm

    The politically branded invitation promoted Justice Dyson’s appearance and offered guests the option to make cheques “payable to the Liberal Party”, saying proceeds would be “applied to state election campaigning”.

    “If a judge was found to be raising funds for the prosecution there would be a mistrial and the case would be over. That is what has to happen here,” Greens MP Adam Bandt said.

    “Any pretence of independence of the trade union royal commission is now gone and the royal commission must be immediately terminated.”

    And from the Invitation … my bold … for the benefit of people who can’t comprehend …

    A receipt will be issued. All proceeds from this event will be applied to State
    election campaigning.

    IMPORTANT – Disclosure Warning

    All gifts and receipts of money, regardless of purpose, greater than the value of $12,100 are required under the Commonwealth Electoral Act to be reported to the Australian Electoral Commission. There may be further requirements for disclosure by donors, details of which can be found at:

    http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/financial_disclosure/guides/donors.htm.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-13/dyson-heydon-liberal-party-fundraiser-speaker/6694170

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2015 6:28 pm

    Fact is Labor is up to its normal gutter trash behaviour.

    I suspect, sreb, will be quite pleased to hear that … 😉

  99. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 7:01 pm

    Heydon was invited years ago to give the 6th annual Barwick lecture.

    So, he can’t plead ignorance about it being a liberal party event then can he?

    Oh, what’s that, NOT a fundraiser? Oh, I see, not a “significant fundraising event”. That doesn’t mean it’s not a fundraiser. Which as TB shows above, it was (just not a very good one apparently. When you are arguing “degrees” of fundraising, you know you got nothing.

    turc has now been blown wide open. I mean, it has been aparent for months now this is a political witch hunt. Even the most rusted on, blindly ignorant barracker HAS to see that now.

  100. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 7:04 pm

    “The ACTU calls on the Abbott Government to shut down the Royal Commission, which has been proven to be an $80 million dollar political witch hunt.

    “It is untenable that the former judge charged with overseeing the Royal Commission is helping to fundraise for the Liberal Party.”

    “The ACTU has always maintained that the Royal Commission is about attacking the ability of unions to deliver outcomes for working people – jobs, wages, conditions and safety. This latest example of bias is further proof.”

    “This is another ‘captain’s call’ by Tony Abbott to recklessly waste $80 million of taxpayer money on his own political agenda.”

    I AGREE!

  101. August 13, 2015 7:29 pm

    Brandis ignore the same question from a journo … “is it a fundraiser?””’

    #We don`t discuss `on-water` operational matters:-)

    (death-cult, death-cult, death-cult)

  102. August 13, 2015 7:42 pm

    lt seems everything the teabags do is a farce or corrupt. Let`s just hope blib has the brains to keep his head down and yap shut (and-team) while the media and teabags tear strips off mr-rabbit over this weeks performance. We can also only hope the `cmfu2` have paid their hells-angels buddies their `ammunition-allowance` this week. #boo

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2015 7:54 pm

    The politically branded invitation promoted Justice Dyson’s appearance and offered guests the option to make cheques “payable to the Liberal Party”, saying proceeds would be “applied to state election campaigning”.

    Maybe you are right but Heydon was invited years ago and i doubt he knew that it might/maybe a fundraiser. Anyway he has pulled out. The $80 was to cover the cost of the three course meal. I guess donations also would have been asked for.

    But no doubt heydon is a Coalition supporter

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 13, 2015 8:11 pm

    There’s more than enough corrupt behaviour by unions, particularly those in building and construction and (it seems) health, to keep a royal commission very busy without needing to make it partisan.

  105. August 13, 2015 8:16 pm

    bristimes””’Gambaro has become the third member of the federal government to reveal they will cross the floor in support of same-sex marriage””’

    #you`re right reb, it getting better:-)

    bristimes””’outsourcing the question of marriage equality to a popular vote, saying it would cost at least $120 million””’

    #brought to you by, the team of `economic-responsibility`

    #john-w didn`t fcuking `referendum` anything with the public back in 2004, when he altered the paperwork and locked-out the gays, so fcuk mr-rabbit and his referendum, let the watermelons green-light it after we chuck mr-rabbit out

  106. August 13, 2015 8:39 pm

    limited-news””’THE Islamic State `hit list` needs to be taken seriously especially since previous threats by the death cult have threatened to randomly attack people, a leading terrorism expert says.

    Dr Clarke Jones from the Australian National University said

    +

    eight Australians on the list”””””

    #squirt.squirt.squirt

    #mr-rabbit will have to strip away more citizens rights/freedoms, to keep us safe, of course

    #be.afraid

  107. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:12 pm

    to keep a royal commission very busy without needing to make it partisan.

    Then why does it keep turning up blanks?

    Heydon was invited years ago

    So ignorance is no excuse. And, he knew about this since April. Why just now decide not to attend? Is his “judge”ment THAT bad?

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:19 pm

  109. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:26 pm

    Yes, and the royal commission should immediately be scrapped

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbott-governments-week-from-hell-question-of-whether-this-farce-will-end-now-moves-to-when-20150813-giy71k.html?stb=twt#ixzz3ih3DheIY
    Follow us: @canberratimes on Twitter | CanberraTimes on Facebook

    Currently sitting at 51%, closely followed on 37% with

    Yes, the appearance of his impartiality has been damaged and he should make way for another royal commissioner

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:32 pm

    Heydon was invited years ago

    And that’s why it’s BS, the RC has been going for how long? He was named RC as soon as abbott took office.

    It’s been two years and according to the emails it was only yesterday he has thought to pull out of it. Smells. The libs and backers would rally around and fabricate anything to make out all is above board now.

  111. August 13, 2015 9:43 pm

    Yeah, and they`re always happy to bonfire `our` cash, rc`s don`t come cheap l bet, How much $ so far.?

  112. As Is permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:49 pm

    Dan Tehan now has even more reason to expound on ‘strong dispositions’?
    Obama’s secret kill list – the disposition matrix

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 9:56 pm

    Tony Abbott: determined to lead the Whitlam government of our time?
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-abbott-determined-to-lead-the-whitlam-government-of-our-time-20150813-giy574?stb=twt#ixzz3ihAkblpr

    …Ministers reflect on the painfully thin agenda before the cabinet: thin in subject matter as well as substantive submissions. Parliament has not been overwhelmed by major legislation to debate.

    A meeting of the National Security Committee of the cabinet has, however, recently asked for a list of national-security-related things that could be announced weekly between now and the election.

    How much scrutiny has gone in to these “announceables” is unclear.

    National security being the new religion, it’s a bit rude to ask any questions, to the point where senior ministers insisted during a bid for funds by a national intelligence agency some months ago that the “bean counters” from Treasury and Finance be kept out of the room…

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 10:05 pm

    Yeah, and they`re always happy to bonfire `our` cash, rc`s don`t come cheap l bet, How much $ so far.?

    And referendums/plebiscites. We’ll need one on aboriginal inclusion in the constitution and then SSM. Abbott doesn’t want the SSM issue at next election, he wants us only to concentrate on re-electing him, we can’t think of two things at the same time.
    It’ll be three visits to the polls in three years. Now that’s exorbitant.

    It’s like we’ve got money to burn!

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 13, 2015 11:52 pm

  116. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 8:41 am

    “… your “defence” will have me ROFLMAO …”

    Really…………….so have 3 people been arrested due to evidence presented to the RC or not ?

    Did Shifty Shorten “forget” about a $40,000 political donation or not ?

    Were invoices made out for work which appears to be never carried out…?…………………….that’s a criminal charge too

    So far Heydon has only skimmed the very top of the corrupt ALP and the Unions.

    Evidence is Evidence and it does not matter if Menzies himself rose from the dead to uncover the Evidence.

    It’s still damning evidence

  117. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:00 am

    Now that’s exorbitant.

    Especially when you consider that SSM is a purely parliamentary matter and, if not for howard specifically writing it in then we, like America, would have found that it already would be legal without ANY changes.

    He was named RC as soon as abbott took office.

    I’ve also heard that when he accepted, the RC was supposed to be over by the time the meeting took place, so they assumed it wouldn’t cause much of a stir. But yabot, in his infinite wisdom, extended it, hoping to embarrass Shorten.

    I also note that murdor is largely ignoring it, with one story in the oz, which I could already guess at the contents. Probably along the lines of nils (it’s Labor fault for not getting caught out”!

    Heydons been a stooge all along, it’s just that now it is very obvious to everyone, not just those following it.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:09 am

    Re TURC
    1. At $80 a ticket including a meal, the event wasn’t going to be much of a fund raiser.
    2. It was billed as the Sir Garfield Barwick Oration, and while he was a devious c**t, I’d imagine there have been plenty of prominent members of the judiciary that have given such speeches.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:18 am

    For the judiciary, bias is about the “appearance of bias” not actual bias. For better or worse Heydon cannot now escape the appearance of bias.

  120. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:19 am

    so have 3 people been arrested due to evidence presented to the RC or not ?

    They’ve been charged. One wonders why the “complainants” didn’t bring this to the police if it is as straight forward as they say?

    Did Shifty Shorten “forget” about a $40,000 political donation or not ?

    $80million to uncover $40,000 (not to make $40,000, just highlight it hadn’t been declared). I thought you were a tax payer subsidised bean counter? You do the math.

    Were invoices made out for work which appears to be never carried out…?

    No. Unless you can point elsewhere. Because during the inquisition, Shorten showed what they were for.

    So far Heydon has only skimmed the very top of the corrupt ALP and the Unions.

    How many years has this been running? How much of tax payers money has been spent? And this is what you’ve got to show for it? Jack Shit?

    Maybe heydon should have been paying more attention to his job, rather than spruiking liberal talking points?

  121. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:21 am

    At $80 a ticket including a meal, the event wasn’t going to be much of a fund raiser.

    So, you don’t deny it was a fundraiser, but it was just a shit fund raiser. What about the donations they asked for? How much went there?

    I’d imagine there have been plenty of prominent members of the judiciary that have given such speeches.

    And I for one would like to see a record of how many of them were NOT Liberal party members. Brandis was headline act at one of them not too long ago.

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:23 am

    This mob have nothing left. yabots only hope is to attract a terrorist attack here (he’s been working hard on that for years now), or launch a pre-emptive strike himself. I don’t put either beyond him these days.

  123. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:24 am

    Brandis gets bitch slapped …. again.

  124. August 14, 2015 9:42 am

    boo.1”””the event wasn`t going to be much of a fund raiser”””

    boo.2”””I`d imagine there have been plenty of prominent members of..””’

    #you teabags are such hypocritical cnuts, if the shoe was on the other foot and the onions and jooLiar were hammering boardrooms/biz corruption and negligence with an rc, and the `inquisitor` was going to speech-make at an onion event to fund-raise for team-jooLiar, you teabags would be bleating that it doesn`t matter `how-little` the funds raised are, not `who-other` the speech-makers are. Get some fcuking ethics.

  125. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:45 am

    LOL

    The ALP is desperate to see the RC shutdown. Shifty must have a lot to hide

    Even Julian Burnside doubts Heydon knew it would be a fund raiser

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-13/burnside-this-exposes-the-liberal-party-not-dyson-heydon/6695198

    Now since it seems he was invited “years ago” to give the speech what sort of organiser decides years in advance how much the ticket prices are going to be ?

    Answer…..no one does……………meaning he obviously didn’t receive the same invite as others would have.

    Let the RC rip I say………..LOL

  126. August 14, 2015 9:46 am

    teabags would be bleating that it doesn`t matter `how-little` the funds raised are, NOR `who-other` the speech-makers are. Get some fcuking ethics.

  127. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:47 am

    “……….you teabags are such hypocritical cnuts, if the shoe was on the other foot and the onions and jooLiar were hammering boardrooms/biz corruption and negligence with an rc, ……….”

    WRONG !

    I’m quite well disposed to the ideas of an RC into the Banks and Investment institutions we have

  128. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:03 am

    Even Julian Burnside doubts Heydon knew it would be a fund raiser

    Can neither of them read an invitiation?

    meaning he obviously didn’t receive the same invite as others would have.

    Those straws are getting clutched everywhere. Where did you read it was “years agao” he was invited? Years ago he apparently was a apeaker there, which further proves he knew exactly what it was.

    he ALP is desperate to see the RC shutdown.

    WOW, a political party wants a publicly financed political witch hunt chut down. Mind boggling, aint it 😉

    The libs are bunkering down, so let’s hope Labor raise the abr

    In his media conference today, Labor’s Mark Dreyfus clearly foreshadowed court action that might force Heydon to stand down. He called on the commissioner to quit before being dragged through the Federal Court.

    “He should not wait for a formal application to be made to him in the hearings of the royal commission, still less should he wait for the Federal Court of Australia to deal with this matter,” Dreyfus said.
    – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/13/dyson-heydon-abbotts-attack-dog-tactic-turns-around-bite-him#sthash.rAv1lVom.dpuf

    And, as Ben points out, after there limp bleating about Triggs, they have nowhere to hide with this.

  129. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:05 am

    WRONG !

    So, you were jumping to the defense of Triggs then were you?

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:08 am

    Nick Kyrgios issued an apology for the incident on Facebook this morning. He was booed as he entered the court for his third round match against John Isner, which he lost 7-5 6-3. After the game, Kyrgios declared the matter finished.

    Fkn racists!

  131. August 14, 2015 10:15 am

    blubbers”””I`m quite well disposed to the ideas of an RC into the Banks and Investment institutions we have”””’

    #fcuk the highly expensive rc-type witch-hunts

    #what is really needed is a highly vigilant, rabid watch-dog with razor-sharp fangs that will bite huge chunks out of the arses of wrong-doers and drag their savagely-mauled carcass off to the gulag for a long-term stretch for all matters of fraud and corruption, no-matter where it leads, politicians, plods, onions, teams, boardrooms, management, contractors, or persons/orgs of trust or power

    #now you can blubber

  132. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:19 am

    Fkn racists!

    Fkn good on ’em, he should go back to where he came from! Australia wasn’t it? How embarrassment. Of course, in his defense, he could just say he’s emulating his “heroes” in the cricket team. Fuck our “sportsmen” have degenerated into an embarrassment.

  133. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:21 am

    Perhaps wally can explain why Triggs is so deserving his abuse, yet heyson is allowed a free pass?

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:29 am

    1. At $80 a ticket including a meal, the event wasn’t going to be much of a fund raiser.

    And that too is irrelevant … the invitation has a fkn great big Liberal Party logo and talks about donations the state election … collecting $1 or a million is irrelevant – it is the association …

    Imagine what would be said if Haydon addressed a group of Labor Party lawyers?

    Abbott has no understanding of the role of the judiciary nor of the separation of powers …

    All he sees is absolute personal power and corrupting it … to his own miserable ends …

    What astounds me is the likes of Haydon – an ex chief justice – getting swept up in the BS …

    It really does remind me of the way Hitler came to power and how people just “let it happen” … a lot of so-called intelligent, experienced and educated people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Now since it seems he was invited “years ago” to give the speech what sort of organiser decides years in advance how much the ticket prices are going to be ?

    Having been involved in organising prominent speakers for a large organisation (including lawyers, doctors, professors, politicians and ministers) … I can assure nothing goes to PRINT until it has been proofed and re-proofed …

    The eleventh hour email from Haydon’s office (and in particular the wording) smacks of a desperate measure to isolate Haydon from the organisation … how silly …

    The man is now tainted … and he too must walk … what a farce this government is becoming … a circus run by clowns …

  135. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:31 am

    A good question on Twitter

    Why did Haydon refuse to investigate’$200k offer to witness to provide false evidence against Gillard’?

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s4022543.htm

    The same could be said of their reluctance to chase after Kathy (the root) liberal stooge or let the one Union who has been found short changing members off without any real examination?

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:33 am

    Let the RC rip I say………..LOL

    By all means waste more taxpayers’ money … but with an umpire who has some ethics and is not politically biased … for a change …

    Wannabe Robber Barons are everywhere …

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:36 am

    #what is really needed is a highly vigilant, rabid watch-dog with razor-sharp fangs that will bite huge chunks out of the arses of wrong-doers and drag their savagely-mauled carcass off to the gulag for a long-term stretch for all matters of fraud and corruption, no-matter where it leads, politicians, plods, onions, teams, boardrooms, management, contractors, or persons/orgs of trust or power

    But that would clean out the Liberal National Coalition, tbagz!

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:47 am

    A Flip Flop Governmnet is evidenced in the Guardian’s take on the Haydongate … especially interesting are the contradictory comments quoted from the PM and Ministers …

    They got caught and panicked … timing is everything …

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/13/abbott-defends-dyson-heydon-over-revelations-he-was-to-address-liberal-fundraiser

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:47 am

    ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES ?

  140. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:54 am

    It just keeps getting better.

    Union officials who have appeared before the royal commission into union corruption, including Opposition Leader Bill Shorten, could take legal action against commissioner Dyson Heydon, on the basis of a perception of bias against them, an expert says.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/union-officials-could-take-legal-action-against-dyson-heydon-says-law-expert-20150813-giypt3.html#ixzz3ikKqD6Vl
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  141. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:56 am

    Has anyone got any links to murdor’s coverage of the heydon fuck up? Or have they completely backed into their shells?

  142. August 14, 2015 11:02 am

    tb”””that would clean out the Liberal National Coalition, tbagz!”””

    #oh l would want it to be applied to `all` states and territorys too, not just federal, and it would clean-out more than just the teabags, but would clean-out plenty of teabag-lites too and `probably` scoop-up a few greenz and indies and pups, or at least `deter` the corrupt from seeking office in the first place

    #the self-serving system is fcuking us all over, trashing jobs, biz and intelligent national development with the `open-checkbook` follies of off-shore gulags and optional-wars, while imbeciles want to flog-off the nations essential-assets and strip away citizens `rights` and benefits like pensions and national-health(which prevent a lot of bigger problems)

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:15 am

    Has anyone got any links to murdor’s coverage of the heydon fuck up? Or have they completely backed into their shells?

    I checked an hour ago (that’s why I quoted The Guardian) …

    Bunch of spineless crabs, TR … chuckle ..

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    tbagz, your certainly having one of your more lucid mornings … 😉

  144. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:19 am

    Bunch of spineless crabs

    To put it mildly. And it is why I think the libs reckon they can “ride” this one out.

    Perhaps they thought the same with bronnie, yet murdor went harder there than most of the others? Weird.

    How long can they ignore it? If Labor take him to court, it surely couldn’t be ignored anymore

    The Big questions though are, when is yabot gorn, and who is replacing him?

    I’ve moved my money from bishop the asbestos to morriscum the killer. And I would have thought closer to xmas, but not sure he will last that long now.

  145. armchair opionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:24 am
  146. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:33 am

    “I checked an hour ago (that’s why I quoted The Guardian) … ”

    Wrong !

    You quoted the Guardian because they support your Team.

    You are obviously so incompetent with browsing you didn’t notice this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

  147. August 14, 2015 11:37 am

    tb”””does remind me of the way Hitler came to power and how people just `let it happen”””

    #history is written by the victors teebz, so l doubt the victors would have acknowledged all the aiding and abetting hitlers opponents would have inadvertently given hitler, and opponents (and-cheerers) would have been in denial about such aiding and abetting (much in the way team-blib-jooLiar is in denial about inadvertently making mr-rabbit prime-meddler)

  148. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:44 am

    You are obviously so incompetent with browsing you didn’t notice this

    If you could read, I mentioned that there was one story there this morning, So WRONG! 🙂

    Dyson Heydon’s bad judgment leaves Abbott shooting blanks

    It’s all about shanana blaming Labor for this.

    An error of judgment, a lack of political foresight and an accident-prone government have allowed Labor to label Dyson Heydon a “Liberal stooge” and accuse him of being “conflicted and biased” in charge of a “farce”. The vitriolic campaign went as far as to call him a Liberal “bag man”.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/dyson-heydons-bad-judgment-leaves-abbott-shooting-blanks/story-e6frg75f-1227482626560

    The lipstick is strong within this one.

    They now have another one up

    Dyson Heydon: head of unions royal commission faces Labor fire

    I’m blocked from that, but I get the gist

    It’s taking them a long time to get their story straight here and point the finger at Labor.

    This broke early yesterday morning. It was all over the Fairfax papes, and should have been at least in the others. Like I said, this morning, at print, one defense in the oz from all their stables, and now, well into the second day, a couple more stories blaming Labor for he libs stitching them up.

    Seen anything elsewhere?

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:49 am

    btw wally, why are you defending heyson, who has proven through his “element of acting” re Gillard and Shortens “credibility as a witness” statements, now proven beyond doubt to be partisan comments, yet were so abusive of Triggs, who was perfectly legitimate with everything she said and did?

  150. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:51 am

    ROFL, I just read this further down the shanana drivel, which, in light of the Triggs personal abuse from hte libs and their hacks, was just mind boggling

    Labor’s classic play to attack the credibility of a royal commission had been handed ammunition from the Liberals.

    Except, Labor have been shown to be correct that this is a political stitch up, whereas Triggs was shown to be professional at all stages of her tenure.

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:51 am

    morriscum the killer.

    Inflammatory comment there. Since you brought the topic up the killers are the ones who voted for Rudd in 2007. Morrison did not create a policy that drowned 1200 people that we know of and most probably 4 times that number. Labor did.

    Morrison did not lock up 2,000 kids. Labor did.
    Morrison did not cause 4,000 acts of self harm in detention centers. Labor did.

    Morrison has given hope for refugees in UNHCR camps who were denied places in Australia because TB of Queensland, Tom R, Reb, Toilet, WAlrus, AO voted for Rudd in 2007.

  152. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:56 am

    “I mentioned that there was one story there this morning, ……………”

    WRONG

    So any opinion columns dont count…………..?

  153. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 11:58 am

    How many refugees were KILLED by Australian hands under Labor nil?

    Zero!

  154. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:03 pm

    WRONG

    Check the times of the later story dopey

  155. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:03 pm

    Triggs comes to conclusions based on “evidence” that does not exist and rumour. And she decides when is the aoppropriate time for her to investigate.

    She’s a proven liar. She even concocts rubbish in relation to her daughter to further her image. Nothing is beyond her moral bankruptcy.

    Heyson has sworn testimony that has resulted in arrests. 3 so far. And we have yet to see his final damning report.

    Like I said earlier…………………………….. Evidence is Evidence and Heydon has started to unearth the corruption of your Union pals.

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:05 pm

    How many refugees were KILLED by Australian hands under Labor nil?

    Well who knows because nobody cared until Abbott won govt. But people died in detention under Labor

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

  157. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:09 pm

    She’s a proven liar.

    Bullshit. You ran this rubbish ages ago, and were shown to be full of it. You listen to ltdnews hacks who make shit up and ignore context or statements to suit their agenda.

    here’s a quick reminder in case you want to go there again.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96840

    Heyson has sworn testimony that has resulted in arrests. 3 so far. And we have yet to see his final damning report.

    And no one has been found guilty or not yet. And, after this, anything is unlikely. There is no way his report, should it get there at all, can be taken with any credence. He is exposed as a partisan tool, he is no judge.

  158. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:11 pm

    Evidence is Evidence

    Unless you’re a liberal stooge cop, then it’s just made up shit. Which so much of this #turd has been exposed as.

  159. August 14, 2015 12:15 pm

    l notice `our` teabags are not discussing their superior, `reasonable`, better, fairer, effective, red-tape-free, ideas on ohs, public-safety and worker-safety that is already in practice in china. Just because a city exploded does mean teabag-ohs won`t work:-)

  160. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:30 pm

    “…………..ideas on ohs, public-safety and worker-safety that is already in practice in china”

    The OH&S practices of China are TomR’s domain.

    It’s his Team…………………………:)

  161. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:34 pm

    It’s his Team

    LINK!

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:37 pm

    From Bolt- lest we forget what Labor did

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_tingle_meant_labor_shed_be_right/

    – let in 50,000 undocumented illegal immigrants.

    – racked up record deficits, mostly through spending on trash.

    – killed overnight a major export – cattle to Indonesia.

    – broke a promise and hit Australia with a carbon tax that cost jobs and raised power prices without making a difference to temperatures.

    – invented a mining tax that raised almost no money while scaring off investment.

    – scrapped on industrial watchdog at the request of militant unions, unleashing a wave of intimidation of employers.

    – punished critical media outlets with a hostile media inquiry.

    – proposed a draconian state-appointed media supercop to police all commercial media outlets and even blogs, with penalties including imprisonment.

    – designed on the back of a beer coaster a $43 billion broadband network that was unaffordable, blew its budget and ran hopelessly behind schedule.

    – spent $16 billion on overpriced school halls, many not actually needed.

    – put free insulation in people’s homes that killed four installers and set off scores of house fires.

    – sacked two of its prime ministers before crashing to a huge defeat.

    – spied on the Indonesian president’s wife, later triggering a diplomatic scandal.

    – incited a mini race riot by Aborigines on Australia Day.

    – offended China by referring to its leaders as “rat f…ers”.

  163. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:44 pm

    killed overnight a major export – cattle to Indonesia.

    Is this the same “dead” market that just got slashed for no apparent reason?

    THAT “dead” market

    bolts as stoopid and partisanly blind as you.

    I also see that he’s now blaming Labor for the libs inviting their partisan RC judge to one of their fundraisers.

    Like I said, stoopid.

  164. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:46 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    😯

    First, there is no proof that Heydon, a former judge of the High Court, agreed to “speak at a Liberal Party fundraiser”.

    He agreed instead to deliver the annual Sir Garfield Barwick Address

    By not speaking one would assume ROFl

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labor_savages_heydon_for_uncovering_dirty_deals/

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:46 pm

    Is this the same “dead” market that just got slashed for no apparent reason?

    By some miracle it was sort of restarted. Too bad for the lives that Labor destroyed.

  166. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:49 pm

    Further into that blot of stoopid

    Recent reports suggest that Shorten faced more questioning at the commission about his knowledge of those deals.

    I’ll ask again, how did it become known that Shorten was going to be called back up, and, why were the specifics over some of those questions made known?

    Has heydon been making other “deliveries” on the side (as opposed to speeches)

  167. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:50 pm

    By some miracle it was sort of restarted.

    So, they just turned it into a “newt” or something 😆

  168. August 14, 2015 12:52 pm

    No blubbers, l don`t think we can blame the team-cheerer,

    lsn`t `public-safety` more red-tape-free under the teabags plan, where `public-safety` is supplied to the node, and the public supply their own drinking-straws to sip from the node when they require.

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:56 pm

    So, they just turned it into a “newt” or something

    Too bad for the farmers who committed suicide because of what Labor did.

    – let in 50,000 undocumented illegal immigrants.
    – racked up record deficits, mostly through spending on trash.
    – killed overnight a major export – cattle to Indonesia.
    – broke a promise and hit Australia with a carbon tax that cost jobs and raised power prices without making a difference to temperatures.
    – invented a mining tax that raised almost no money while scaring off investment.
    – scrapped on industrial watchdog at the request of militant unions, unleashing a wave of intimidation of employers.
    – punished critical media outlets with a hostile media inquiry.
    – proposed a draconian state-appointed media supercop to police all commercial media outlets and even blogs, with penalties including imprisonment.
    – designed on the back of a beer coaster a $43 billion broadband network that was unaffordable, blew its budget and ran hopelessly behind schedule.
    – spent $16 billion on overpriced school halls, many not actually needed.
    – put free insulation in people’s homes that killed four installers and set off scores of house fires.
    – sacked two of its prime ministers before crashing to a huge defeat.
    – spied on the Indonesian president’s wife, later triggering a diplomatic scandal.
    – incited a mini race riot by Aborigines on Australia Day.
    – offended China by referring to its leaders as “rat f…ers”.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2015 12:57 pm

    Fake needling is just so meaningless without a personal troll.

  171. August 14, 2015 1:03 pm

    #still.reduced.to.discussing.avatar.color

    #teabags

  172. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 1:23 pm

    What a day.

    wallies all upset abou Triggs again (while defending a proven impartial judge)

    nil wants to rant and rave about ANYTHING but current events (generally by making shit up and making up crimes, I won’t even go there it is so stoopid)

    And yomms still only cares that his personal troll finally worked out yomms just not worth it, and doesn’t seem to worry that this #turd he has so proudly polished is exposed for the partisan witch hunt it always was.

    The #turd has to stop, It is incontrovertible. Brendan O’Connor lays it out, It is indefensible, no matter how much murdor or their acolytes bleat

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 1:29 pm

    “a proven impartial judge”

    As opposed to an extremely partial troll like your good self, Tom R?

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 1:31 pm

    BTW Tom R what is your standard of proof in this case? That it is on the daily ALP talking points?

    The point is not actual bias but the appearance of bias. That is why he should stand down.

  175. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 1:40 pm

    ow a royal commission set up with clear political intent by the Abbott government, and which has loomed over Labor as a menace for the past two years, is itself devastated by revelations that Justice Heydon had agreed to speak at a Liberal Party fundraising function.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/whatever-happens-now-the-royal-commission-is-crippled-20150813-giyjmv?stb=twt#ixzz3il0OeYSs
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    also answer sb’s above. I call that good timing 🙂

    The point is not actual bias

    read Tingles peace and see if you still think it’s “just the vibe” 😉

    As opposed to an extremely partial troll like your good self, Tom R?

    How many RC’s am I running brainiac? (or are you pinky?)

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 1:42 pm

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 2:09 pm

    Look Tom R, this RC is more needed than ever since the ALP is directed by its Union overlords to reject legislation requiring proper disclosure by Union officials.

    But it is a shame that it will now be less effective if it continues at all.

    Quoting the Tingler is pointless. She is so predictable that there is no need to read anything she writes. The chances of her ever preferring the coalition view over the ALP point of view are nil. She is obviously guided by your talking points! 🙂

  178. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 2:24 pm

    Quoting the Tingler is pointless.

    She’s actually one of the few in the msm who is unbiased. Of course, quoting her to rusted on goons is pointless. Especially since I very distinctly said it answered your question of me. I guess you weren’t interested in the answer all along then.

    BTW Tom R what is your standard of proof in this case?

    I’ll spell it for you.

    Judges always have to appear impartial. But in an exercise which has been under attack from one side of politics for being a political witch-hunt, and which the other side of politics has been gleefully quoting for political points, the bar is even higher.

    That the event has been advertised with Liberal Party banners, that the man writing to Justice Heydon about it on Wednesday, Gregory Burton, is a mooted Liberal Party candidate, that he was reassuring the Justice that there would be “no party attribution” on the publication of his speech, that it was not a fundraiser “as such”, “although of course people will disclose it if they go over the state donation limit”, all suggests the Justice should have seen, and ultimately could see, the problems in his appearance while still sitting as a royal commissioner.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/whatever-happens-now-the-royal-commission-is-crippled-20150813-giyjmv?stb=twt#ixzz3ilBfRejU
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    If that doesn’t spell “proven impartiality”, then you need to get a spell checker.

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 2:32 pm

    “an exercise which has been under attack from one side of politics for being a political witch-hunt,”

    They would say that, wouldn’t they?

    As I said, this is about the appearance of bias. You have not “proven” anything.

    Anyway, I agree he should resign.

    And Tingle “unbiased”??????? MMV!! She is so unbiased she gets a regular gig on LNL whispering sweet nothings to Phil Adams. Fuck, you are more unbiased than she is!

  180. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 2:53 pm

    You have not “proven” anything.

    What, the fact that he accepted an invitation to a liberal party fundraiser, and, having spoken there previously, would have known it was a liberal party fundraiser, doesn’t expose bias, or explain his comments like “acting” or “unreliable”

    Get a spell checker.

    He was a judge in a royal commission when he accepted the offer. And he only declined on the eve of the story breaking.

    If that isn’t bias, then bolts to left of Phil Adams.

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 2:56 pm

    “If that isn’t bias, then bolts to left of Phil Adams.”

    Then Bolt is to the left of Pillock Adams>

    All you have described, even if true, is the appearance of bias.

    Actual bias means carrying out his duties in a biased manner. Get it?

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:06 pm

    He was a judge in a royal commission when he accepted the offer.

    Was he? I actually do not have time to check all the details but it sounds like the normal BS from Labor. I have read he was invited several years ago. And i doubt he would have thought the RC would still be on when the lecture occurred. And i doubt he had any idea it was a fundraiser. It was the Barwick lecture.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:18 pm

    If Heydon continues I’d expect an opinion from the Solicitor General will support this decision.

    If there isn’t something along these lines, Heydon shouldn’t continue.

    …but there are so many examples of unethical/disreputable/corrupt behaviour by the union officials that own the ALP, it would be against the public interest if the RC didn’t continue.

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:20 pm

    (…and it is pointless even feigning an interest in needling without a personal troll)

  185. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:23 pm

    Actual bias means carrying out his duties in a biased manner. Get it?

    You mean, like telling the opposition leader being ACCUSED rather than cross examined that he is “unreliable”, or that a former PM being ACCUSED rather than cross examined is “acting”. Ignoring the money paid to one of Gillards accusers. Ignoring Kathy Jackson.

    There’s the bias.

    The proof has now been revealed. He made those very biased comments and decisions because HE IS A lIBERAL STOOGE.

    And i doubt he had any idea it was a fundraiser.

    He had spoken there before. He has no “ignorance” defense (which in this case is almost as bad, considering his “judge”ment)

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:39 pm

    “There’s the bias.

    You do get it! Those things could conceivably be examples of bias. I don’t agree with you on the details. But that is precisely why the rule is about appearance of bias – so we don’t have to have stupid arguments.

    It is as clear as can be that, whether he knew at the time that it was a Liberal Party fundraiser, the facts that he agreed to speak and was advertised as a speaker taken together clearly give the appearance of bias.

    Heydon may tough it out for a week or two but, like Bishop, the puss-filled sore will fester until it must be lanced. The LNP numbers should be amusing once the no conscience vote issue and this are factored into the surveys.

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 3:57 pm

    He had spoken there before.

    I have no idea if that is true but maybe he thought the RC would be finished before the lecture. But it does not bother me. Replace him with someone else.

    But the motive for this is to shut down the RC.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:09 pm

    You are obviously so incompetent with browsing you didn’t notice this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

    I don’t pay to access shita paywall from Rupert Murdoch but I do quote here from his news.com.au* that did not run a story this morning …

    * so I can’t be accused of reading labour oriented news

    And trying to spin Haydongate is just not working …

    So I was RIGHT NOT wrong!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The point is not actual bias but the appearance of bias. That is why he should stand down.

    Absofknlutely!

    And as I mentioned before on the balance of probabilities would be found guilty of association and collusion with members of the Liberal Party, ministers and members, by either jury or judicial trial …

    I really hope that they continue to attempt to defend Haydon as they did with Bronwyn Bishop … the longer they try, the more obvious it becomes to the person in the street, that this government is bad to the core …

    I’m sure Haydon will be considering his future as did BB … reputation is tarnished now (he can thank Tony Abbott for that – and his own greed and misjudgement) … he has to decide whether to resign or have his commission terminated … the former would be preferable … but Abbott will want him to stay … who else would pick up the poisoned chalice for the Libs …

    Oh, what a tangled web we weave …

  189. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:11 pm

    whether he knew at the time that it was a Liberal Party fundraiser,

    He has spoken htere before. How could he be unaware. And, if that wasn’t enough, the invitation stated that it raised funds for the libs.

    Even nil could work it out, without his mums help

    I have no idea if that is true but maybe he thought the RC would be finished before the lecture.

    Yea, that’s obviously what they were banking on. But, he accepted a liberal fundraiser invitation WHILST he was a judge in an RC. That also is bad enough.

    clearly give the appearance of bias.

    They do more than that, they confirm the “appearance” he had already shown. Therefore, it is now demonstrably FACT that he is biased.

    But the motive for this is to shut down the RC.

    No shit. And it absolutely clear now it should never have been set up in the manner in which it was.

  190. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:16 pm

    that did not run a story this morning …

    And as I already explained to the slow learner, the ONLY article in ANY ltdnews this morning was shanana. the oz put a couple more out later in the morning, but they too looked like (I couldn’t access them) typical “Labors fault” spinning of the libs putting in a partisan judge for their witch hunt.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:20 pm

    But the motive for this is to shut down the RC.

    You really don’t understand much, kneel … and I confess and occasionally I feel sorry for you …

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:20 pm

    I do not have much interest in this RC. But since i see the lefties attacking Heydon he must be getting close to some embarrassing information.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 4:24 pm

    You really don’t understand much, kneel … and I confess and occasionally I feel sorry for you …

  194. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:09 pm

    I do not have much interest in this RC

    ROFL

    Been a good day

    The witch hunt has been exposed unambiguously for what it is, and now THIS!

  195. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:29 pm

    ROFL

    I do not know what the RC is even about. Something about Union corruption. But i am interested now. The ALP is up to its gutter trash techniques. Heydon must be getting close to some real interesting behaviour for lefties to be attacking the messenger.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:40 pm

    The company won the right in April to obtain the names and addresses of the users from six Australian telcos – iiNet, Internode, Dodo, Amnet, Adam Internet and Wideband Networks – but the court prevented it from enforcing that right until it could see grounds for its demands.

    So how does that work with Privacy Laws?

    Watch for the upsurge in bogus speculative invoices anyway … a very special form of piracy … oh, the hypocrisy …

  197. August 14, 2015 5:47 pm

    “If Heydon continues I’d expect an opinion from the Solicitor General will support this decision.

    If there isn’t something along these lines, Heydon shouldn’t continue.

    …but there are so many examples of unethical/disreputable/corrupt behaviour by the union officials that own the ALP, it would be against the public interest if the RC didn’t continue.”

    I agree with this, in principle, but who can be certain whom owns (or not) the Solicitor General these days.

    I am so fucking jaded by the whole political class I’m at the point of considering anarchism again.

    I’ve had a fucking gutful.

    FEDERAL ICAC NOW!

  198. August 14, 2015 5:49 pm

    I think that judge has spanked them, TB.

    A major regressive step for mercenary copyright holders.

    They’re about to start trying to block sites here, at the behest of Foxtel…but I cannot be stopped. They need to get their heads out of their arses and smell the technology.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:50 pm

    Isn’t the Solicitor – General number two to the Attorney General (Brandis)?

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:52 pm

    toylet, the music industry came to its senses, redeveloped the model and is now doing very well, thank you very much!

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:57 pm

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:57 pm

    If you think about it … its a pity that Haydongate didn’t break AFTER he had “addressed” the Liberal Party Fundraiser …

    I suspect that someone gave Haydon a heads up … just reading the correspondence and based upon my own experiences trying to manage the process with functions and speakers … at state and national levels …

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 5:59 pm

    I think I know that bloke in the purple pants?

  204. August 14, 2015 6:05 pm

    “You really don’t understand much, kneel … and I confess and occasionally I feel sorry for you …”

    Me too.

    In the same way as I feel sorry for a cow being electrocuted as it sticks its head between the hotwires, desperately trying to get at the longer, greener grass on the other side of the fence…until said cow does it three times (most would learn the lesson after twice) at which point I just think, Suffer- dumb cunt!

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:09 pm

    Me too.

    What for?

    People should feel sorry for Australia if the ALP gets back in. The ALP- the party who locked up 2,000 kids.

  206. August 14, 2015 6:16 pm

    I think, Kneel, @ 5:57, may have had an epiphany!

  207. August 14, 2015 6:18 pm

    I extended the olive branch…and you reverted to type.

    dumb

    cunt

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:24 pm

    I extended the olive branch…and you reverted to type.

    Toilet

    I hate the ALP.

    The ALP locked up 2,000 kids and then did this

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Former officials, charity workers and doctors who worked in the immigration system have given at times distressing evidence to an Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) inquiry into the fate of children caught in Australia’s detention centres.

    Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    “Because they wanted to send a deterrent message, it was important to send some children, to say that children are not exempt from transfer,” Mr Lake said.

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:32 pm

    I suspect that someone gave Haydon a heads up …

    The supposition has been that fairfax would have called him the night before they went to print, to get his side.

    It was the night before they went to print that heydon declined the invitation he had previously accepted

  210. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:38 pm

    The ACTU today released a list of examples to reinforce the Commission’s bias, including:

    • Determining last year that it had finalised its inquiry yet caving in to government pressure and intervention by the Attorney-General to extend the inquiry for another year.

    • Leaking prejudicial information to the media before its public release.

    • Releasing a “discussion paper” to media before public release with content recommending various new laws that align closely with Liberal Party policies such as those in the Registered Organisations Bill rejected by the Parliament in March.

    • Subjecting a former spouse of a Labor leader to its inquiries.

    • Failing to afford union witnesses natural justice by making serious allegations without proper notice and not allowing those witnesses to properly respond.

    • Disregarding objections from legal representatives that the Commission has gone beyond the parameters of the terms of reference.

    http://workinglife.org.au/2015/08/13/busted-royal-commissioner-caught-playing-politics/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

  211. August 14, 2015 6:38 pm

    “The ALP locked up 2,000 kids and then did this”

    Try applying some scrutiny to what the government of today is up to…and I might assume you’re something other than a partisan arsehat.

    Hitler did stuff a while ago too…relevance?

    Fixate on what you can influence.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:43 pm

    Hitler did stuff a while ago too…relevance?

    With this lot that’s pretty easy, toylet … 😉

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 6:49 pm

    Hitler did stuff a while ago too…relevance?

    Leopards never change their spots.

  214. August 14, 2015 6:49 pm

    Tingle seems to have hoovered-up most of our comments for this one dunny,

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-is-creating-a-whitlam-government-of-our-time-20150814-giyzku.html

    l disagree with her comparison of mr-rabbit to gough tho, it seems mr-rabbit is more like george-w and what he did for the `repug` brand.

    #teabags

  215. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2015 7:12 pm

    So there you have it. The Liberal organiser of the event took it as given that Heydon knew it was a Liberal event and despite asserting it was “not a fundraiser” he immediately told Heydon attendees may have to declare the $80 fee as a political donation.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-14/karp-would-heydon-have-skewered-his-own-conduct-at-the-rc/6698044

    Ignorance is no defence here, nobody is THAT ignorant, especially if you are a lead judge who has already spoken at the event.

  216. August 14, 2015 7:13 pm

    ha-ha, the judge stuck-up for citizens instead of big-copyright, which in itself is a surprise and good to see

    #suck.it.up.dallas

  217. August 14, 2015 7:54 pm

    “Leopards never change their spots.”

    #tony abbott

    Let the retrogressive quoting begin!

    * Kneel, oblivious as a limpet, as credible as Hitler’s moustache

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 8:45 pm

    Kneel, oblivious as a limpet, as credible as Hitler’s moustache

    Well if the ALP gets back in how long will it take before they start locking up asylum seeking men, women and children? Furthermore sending young looking kids to detention as a deterrent like they did last time.

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 8:51 pm

    …“The ALP locked up 2,000 kids and then did this”…

    As if you gave a shit about any one of them neil, your fake concern over AS is sickening and reeks of hypocrisy. Previously you whinged about them being here at all, you have no care or concern about what is happening under operation blackout, you have never shown any sympathy for their plight.

    There is something abnormal and completely redneck/racist about the way you obsess over these poor, miserable, desperate people as the most important thing that has happened in australia [don’t mention the embarrassment that is capt calamity and his rogues gallery of misfit supporters].

    Time to change the record, the needle’s stuck.

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:03 pm

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:03 pm

    As if you gave a shit about any one of them neil, your fake concern over AS is sickening and reeks of hypocrisy.

    Well i do remember you saying John Howard was nasty for locking up maybe a couple of hundred kids who then released them after people said it was wrong.

    I do not recall you saying anything after the ALP/Greens govt locked up more kids than any govt in Australian history.

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:06 pm

    It’s every man for himself on Tony Abbott’s sinking governmental ship:
    http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/its-every-man-for-himself-on-tony-abbotts-sinking-governmental-ship-20150813-giywhk

  223. August 14, 2015 9:12 pm

    Worth noting exactly who Garfield Barwick was…

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:19 pm

    …I do not recall you saying anything after the ALP/Greens govt locked up more kids than any govt in Australian history…

    Pretty sure the greens have never agreed to locking up AS or off shore detention, neither do I and I’ve stated that many times. You continue to project lame accusations at people as if it makes them true. You are a liar and you have an unhealthy, sadistic obsession with other people’s misery, while never acknowledging the inhumanity of what our govt does in our name.

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:42 pm

    Pretty sure the greens have never agreed to locking up AS or off shore detention, neither do I and I’ve stated that many times.

    the Greens formed a minority govt with Gillard in 2010. When Labor was locking up 2,000 kids i do not recall the Greens saying they would break their agreement with Gillard.

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 9:57 pm

    When Labor was locking up 2,000 kids i do not recall the Greens saying they would break their agreement.

    Would the Libs have backed the Greens?

    Greens have always disagreed with both labor and liberal policy on off shore detention. The liberals and labor own the legacy and the shame.

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:09 pm

    Worth noting exactly who Garfield Barwick was…

    yes, a natural to be heralded as the tory’s tory!

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2015 10:36 pm

    Dyson Heydon: Abbott’s Attack Dog Tactic Turns Around To Bite Him: https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/13/dyson-heydon-abbotts-attack-dog-tactic-turns-around-bite-him#sthash.GwZzI1Fu.dpuf

    …The problem for the Abbott government with Dyson Heydon is the same one it has faced many times before. After ruthlessly politicising so many aspects of public life, it now finds itself defending something largely indefensible, and with little public trust in its motivations…

    boganbludging
    Posted Friday, August 14, 2015 – 09:19 new

    RC into Unions what a joke, the terms of reference had to be reigned in so tight, to prevent more than an iceberg (union corruption) being exposed, in an ocean of corporate corruption in Australia.
    A few millions compared to billions of dollars.
    Heydon just another partisan parasite, stand down…

  229. August 15, 2015 8:31 am

    my abc”””the police were not called.

    The guard(#whistle-blower) claims Wilson Security staff are heavily comprised of former Australian and New Zealand soldiers who harbour ill will towards people from countries where they served.

    Many Wilson Security staff fought against the asylum seekers they are now guarding””””via-ao

    http://t.co/jajAfX1121

    #The `soldier` aspect should be verifiable and a problem in itself irregardless of whether the `torture-claims` are true or false. The high-cost $470K-per-boatie.p.a is not giving them `gold-class` treatment in my mind, but tends to give me the camp-delta-gitmo impression. This is another example of the teabag-lunacy, even if they want to run a racist redneck regime and `deport` boaties, they could put them on a plane and `deport` them for under 10K, but for some reason they prefer to spend $470K per boatie to torment and torture them in off-shore gulags.

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 8:38 am

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:04 am

    The liberals and labor own the legacy and the shame.

    Don’t agree. The Greens could have torn up the agreement to form minority govt with Gillard. But they didn’t. It was the ALP/Greens govt which locked up 2,000 kids.

    If the ALP/greens get back in they will do the same thing.

  232. August 15, 2015 9:06 am

    on my abc this morning they are promo-ing qandaland, it looks like it will return to it`s `drivel` comfort zone, the odwyer-teabag will be on next time, l still don`t see how mr-rabbit `banning` the teabags from qandaland was a `bad` thing, they only chant their usual teabag-talk anyway

  233. August 15, 2015 9:30 am

    afr””””Christopher Pyne, whose seat of Sturt is under threat, has rediscovered his moderate voice and has used gay marriage as a point of differentiation from the Prime Minister who is so unpopular in South Australia.

    Pyne fought Abbott to try and stop the Nationals being part of the party room discussion, knowing their overwhelming opposition to gay marriage would give Abbott the numbers to crush the free-vote call. He has joined Brandis in rubbishing a referendum proposal.””””

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/its-every-man-for-himself-on-tony-abbotts-sinking-governmental-ship-20150813-giywhk?stb=twt

    #l Love the smell of teabag-panic in the morning

    afr””””Malcolm Turnbull has stopped pretending and has been out every day since the partyroom meeting pushing back at a referendum and any other attempts to kick the issue beyond the election. Other ministers such as Josh Frydenberg have played supporting roles.””””

    afr””””Julie Bishop won few friends during the partyroom debate when she sat on the fence and advocated a plebiscite or a referendum.

    `Julie was thinking aloud,` said a critic.

    Another accused her of `doing a Gillard`.(#ROFL)

    This was a reference to Julia Gillard`s claim to not support gay marriage. No one close to her ever believed it and they accused her of trying to appease the Right. It won her no support from the Right or Left.

    Her defenders say she did well in advocating the third way.””””

    #Take notice team-cheerer. Just how long have l been tellin`ya that TEABAG-LITE is a fcuking DUD strategy.

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:40 am

    Worth noting exactly who Garfield Barwick was…

    Exactly. He was a c**t. Encouraged Kerrial to dismiss Whitlam.

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:42 am

    “Kerr”

  236. August 15, 2015 10:03 am

    Wow! .. my abc just played mr-rabbits speech to the canoe-state teabag-faithful .. it was the greatest load of horse-shit

  237. August 15, 2015 10:37 am

    afr””””Abbott`s stance on gay marriage has

    shored up his numbers

    among the overwhelmingly conservative backbench but in politics, never underestimate the power of the survival instinct.””””

    #as predicted, another `stunt` to try and hold together the teabumpkins and teabags, NOT nations good or citizens needs

    +

    afr””””Abbott told his party room this week that the government flourished when it talked about jobs and growth.

    One wit noted afterwards that was ironic coming from somebody

    `who spent three weeks talking about a TV show`,

    a reference to the PM’s pathological obsession with the ABC and the Q&A program.””””

    #silly my abc, they should have stood firm, the mr-rabbit imbecile would have provided qandaland with unlimited national advertising

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 10:41 am

    Dyson Haydon may as well resign, pack his bags, collect his money, go home and live the rest of his life in shame … the longer he waits, the worse it will be for not only him but the Liberal Government … a ship barely moving and full of wannabe mutineers, who’ve woken up that they’re being controlled by pirates … owned by Rupert Barons …

    Tony Abbott’s leadership is now in its death throes … wait for the death rattle … the plank awaits …

    If another right wing conservative takes the helm – Morrison or Hockey – then expect more of the same, only not quite as clumsy with shifty Morrison … if Turnbull – a moderate – takes up the reins, then Shorten will be in trouble but so will the Liberal Party in general … they are, after all, a conservative (tory) party …

    As for the rest of us … I have no idea who will actually run the country … the kids at the local kindergarten seem pretty smart …

  239. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 10:46 am

    hey actually are as cold-bloodedly cynical as we think they are

    And I think they are on the verge of losing hte one and only strength they had left. That leak has destroyed (or should destroy) any credence given to their utterances, which is quite scary, as the Boy Who Cried Wolf found out.

    Labor seem to moving in on it too

    We agree decisions about Australia’s national security should be above politics. But they should not be beyond scrutiny. And they should not be beyond question.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/15/australias-national-security-should-be-above-politics-but-not-beyond-scrutiny?CMP=share_btn_tw

  240. August 15, 2015 10:52 am

    afr””””Mr Turnbull`s public comments underscore deep anger among moderate Liberals at what they believe were deliberate tactics by Mr Abbott to scuttle the push by allowing Nationals MPs to also join the meeting.

    Had just Liberals attended, there would have been support among a significant minority, 33 out of 79 Liberals who spoke, spoke in favour of a free vote.

    But Mr Abbott secured the crushing victory with the Nationals, of whom just three out of 21 supported a free vote.””””

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/malcolm-turnbull-blasts-gay-plebiscite-push-as-liberal-rift-grows-20150812-gixbv8?stb=twt

    afr””””Pro-gay marriage Liberals and Labor believe the plebiscite is a delaying tactic designed to secure the ultimate failure of the gay marriage push.””””#agree

  241. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 11:01 am

    If another right wing conservative takes the helm

    They ALL are TB, even turnbull. They don’t really have any moderates left, none with any sway anyway. No matter who comes in, the agenda will remain. They might just implement with less chaos and waste. Which is why I for one want him to stay. He is doing damage, but, imo, it is limited by his ineptness. Morrison etal just might get some more of the nasties through by not being ignorant morons.

    The independent Climate Change Authority has shot down key parts of Tony Abbott’s new environmental message, saying the government’s new target is not “in the middle of the pack” of similar countries but rather “at or near the bottom”, that the $600bn price tag the government attributes to Labor’s target is “wrong” and its antagonism to emissions trading schemes is also misguided.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/14/australias-emissions-cut-target-at-or-near-bottom-of-comparable-countries?CMP=share_btn_tw

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2015 11:03 am

    If another right wing conservative takes the helm

    What is that?

    if Turnbull – a moderate – takes up the reins, then Shorten will be in trouble

    They gave Turnbull a go once as leader and he was hopeless. The only reason labor supporters want Turnbull as leader is because he would be easier to beat.

    they are, after all, a conservative (tory) party

    Really? In what way?

  243. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 11:24 am

    What is that?

    In newspeak, it’s called a “Liberal”

    What I cannot understand is, the libs have been crucifying Triggs for months (years) now all because she wrote a report attacking both parties. bronnieChopter even said she should step down, you know, our “independent” speaker who claimed taxpayer dollars to raise money for hte libs actually had the temerity to claim Triggs was partisan ROFL

    But it gets worst. After finding out hte “independent” judge for the royal witch hunt into Union worker protection and wage increase was ALSO in the money laundering business for the libs, ANOTHER “independent” hack is also found to be moonlighting as a liberal bagman while receiving taxpayer largesse. And protecting the rights and privileges of kiddie botherers along the way.

    Meanwhile, Freedom Boy is on the prowl again.

    Now some might like to pay to meet him in person, and help the Liberal cause:

    ……….

    That’s it? The reason not to have a referendum is because it will make life hard for crazy religionistas?

    Of all the reasons one might offer against a referendum, this would have to be the loopiest, pure Indiana, pure Hoosier.

    It made the pond realise that any one who actually paid a penny for Freedom Boy’s thoughts was being badly dudded – and likely paying for them as a taxpayer and then paying again for the pleasure of a bit of pure IPA loopiness …

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/in-which-freedom-boy-goes-hoosier.html#.Vc6C_Jd8lyB

    This is the grubmint that has cried loudest and longest about grubmint waste, and partisan behaviour, yet they turn out to be World class practitioners of both

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2015 11:30 am

    What I cannot understand is, the libs have been crucifying Triggs for months (years) now all because she wrote a report attacking both parties.

    Triggs is condemned because she did nothing when she had the power to do so. Triggs did nothing when ALP/Greens/TB of Queensland/Tom R/ Reb etc were locking up 2,000 kids.

    She waited until the Coalition was in govt before she did anything.

    And the only party that should be attacked is the ALP because it was they would locked the kids up.

  245. August 15, 2015 11:31 am

    age””””the second week of February, when Abbott survived a leadership spill motion. That was when a chastened Prime Minister uttered that unfortunate phrase:

    `Good government starts today.`(#ROFL)

    If Bronwyn Bishop`s $5000 chopper ride from Melbourne to Geelong at taxpayers expense seemed utterly incomprehensible, the story of Dyson Heydon and another Liberal Party fundraiser is the stuff of pure fantasy, except that it is true. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Here was the eminent jurist, whom Abbott hand-picked to lift the lid on union corruption, advertised as keynote speaker at a Liberal Party event where the invitation announced that proceeds would be applied to Liberal Party

    `state election campaigning`.### What were they thinking?

    And here was the man who challenged Bill Shorten`s integrity during the Labor’s leader`s marathon appearance before the commission, pulling out of the engagement when the story broke, but leaving open the possibility of giving the lecture when the inquiry was over. What was he thinking? Dyson Heydon, head of the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption, was to be the guest speaker at a Liberal Party function.

    It was Tony Burke who quoted the former High Court judge`s own words when Labor attempted to censure Abbott:

    `It is fundamental to the administration of justice that the judge be neutral. It is for this reason that the appearance of departure from neutrality is a ground of disqualification.`

    We know Heydon agreed to speak on the basis that the function was not a fundraiser, but he has many questions to answer. Regardless of how this plays out,

    the commission`s credibility is compromised.””””#yep

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-nightmare-week-you-cant-make-this-stuff-up-20150814-giz5lh.html#ixzz3iqCY2ztI

    #l`m so distracted by all the teabag-corruption and stupidity l forgot to notice the silly things blib or onions have done this week

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 11:45 am

    “…That’s it? The reason not to have a referendum is because it will make life hard for crazy religionistas?..”

    I was reading that the ACL lobby has been asking and pleading for the referendum to make it all go away.

    Another conflict of interest is the AG’s law firm (minter) getting $8 mil out of the TURC RC

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 12:22 pm

    “””What is that?”””

    Ignorance is no excuse anymore … find out yourself …

    I suggest you research British political parties first Labour, Liberal, Conservative … and then their history …

    When you think you have that knowledge come back and we’ll discuss the differences … or you might want to ask Wally, ToM or splatterbum …

    In future follow it up yourself like most people here do … or just STFU …

  248. August 15, 2015 12:49 pm

    on my abc24, mr-rabbit is vp speech-making in canoe-town, trying to curry favor among canoe-state voters no doubt .. l wonder if they will fall for it .. or will canoe-staters remember they can`t build cars and canoes any more

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2015 12:57 pm

    The TURC has uncovered so many examples of corrupt/unethical/duplicitous behaviour by union officials, that it would be a great pity if it closed.

    I’d imagine it is possible to appoint another Royal Commissioner in the event that Heydon resigns.

  250. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 1:39 pm

    The TURC has uncovered so many examples of corrupt/unethical/duplicitous behaviour by union officials

    Bullshit. It has “uncovered” (read, should have gone to cops) a couple. It has had many examples of allegations being made and facts proving that the Unions, by and large, are of great benefit to workers.

    Shorten showed this best, to such an extent that the proven partisan judge was forced to tell him to shut up, and just say “yes or no”

    Here’s a question judge judas, does you accepting an invitation to speak at a fundraiser of the political party employing you to investigate another political party reflect well on your judgement?

    Yes or No

    I’d imagine it is possible to appoint another Royal Commissioner in the event that Heydon resigns.

    They could have Mother Theresa up there, but after this, nothing can save the royal witch hunt for being recognised for hat it is.

    They have done their (and our) dough

  251. August 15, 2015 1:50 pm

    sigh”””great pity if it closed”””

    #can we please incinerate another mountain of cash

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 2:11 pm

    Hard to argue with the points raised in this article … but I’m sure some will try to …

    Lyons believes Australia could have followed the example of a country like Norway, which taxes its petroleum industry heavily. It charges a 51 per cent resource tax on oil company profits as well as ordinary income tax of 27 per cent. This brings the total tax liability for oil companies to 78 per cent.

    Most of the money raised goes into a sovereign wealth fund, which is valued at over $900 billion, and is the world’s biggest.

    Lyons said that in Norway no one was confused about who the oil belonged to, and that this natural wealth should benefit its citizens.

    As the mining boom ends, Australia needs to look to the future and Lyons said the International Monetary Fund recommended more investment in infrastructure as one way of transitioning the economy away from resources.

    The question that Lyons has challenged Australians to consider was whether the country should fight the inevitable.

    “We need to imagine Australia’s place in a coal-free future,” Lyons said.

    “The price (of coal) is not going to artificially inflate, we have to adjust,” she said.

    Lyons said she was concerned that Prime Minister Tony Abbott was saying coal was good for humanity and could make Australia a “Kodak country”, potentially killing off the future, in the interests of preserving the past.

    “We should be worried that PM Tony Abbott is still describing coal as ‘the foundation of prosperity’ this is the equivalent of talking up the future of the horse and cart industry just as the first Fords roll off the lines.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/should-we-welcome-the-end-of-the-mining-boom/story-fnu2pwk8-1227484578083

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 2:13 pm

    They could have Mother Theresa up there, but after this, nothing can save the royal witch hunt for being recognised for hat it is.

    They have done their (and our) dough

    Pretty well sums it up … though I’m not sure even Mother Theresa would qualify now … wasn’t she a catlik? Gotta be biased …

  254. August 15, 2015 2:19 pm

    on my abc24, blib is in boltsville screeching like a half-strangled chook, so l`m thinking .. oh FFS STFU sssshhhhh.blib .. then blib went and started sounding (nearly) `prezidential` poking holes in mr-rabbits gay-marriage antics this week .. blib basically reckons mr-rabbit spent 6-hours trying to railroad and bum-rush his zombie-team to `obstruct` progress on gay-marriage .. (#fair-point blib, l agree) .. blib then went on to say that mr-rabbit and the zombies DON`T spend `6-hours` on anything in their `team-meetings` .. not jobs .. not economy .. not tax-system .. (#nor open-checkbook wars, nor expensive flying junk, l thought) .. not global warming .. not medicare .. not poverty .. etc

    #l think blib finally raised some good points for once and managed to show the zombies as the imbeciles they are. Too bad blib was screeching tho, the delivery could have been a lot better.

  255. August 15, 2015 2:29 pm

    Norway””””’no one was confused about who the oil belonged to, and that this natural wealth should benefit its citizens””””#Correct

    #Not disagreeing with Lyons but l just don`t think there is much chance of success, both teams have been more interested in looting assets and following teh-yanks down the gurgler, not nation building.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 3:49 pm

    I’d imagine it is possible to appoint another Royal Commissioner in the event that Heydon resigns.

    They have to start all over again though, they can’t just replace his personal commission with another person. It has to be scrapped for a completely new one if haydon goes.

    They gave Turnbull a go once as leader and he was hopeless.

    Losing the leadership by one vote doesnt suggest hopeless, suggests he got rolled by the uglies.

  257. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:07 pm

    They have to start all over again though

    Exactly, any “judge”ment he makes, and it relies on, is tainted. And, if it stops now, and they just go with his report, it is as worthless as an abbott promise on election eve.

    They can cling to the witch hunt as long as they like, the longer the better. They blew it, by being so ideological. It’s all coming home to roost.

  258. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:14 pm

    The lolstralian is going into bat for heyson, unsurprisingly. They managed to find three professors who reckon he is unbiased legally,. But, it is the qualification, or assumption, that made me laugh

    Professors Greg Craven, Patrick Keyzer and Spencer Zifcak all made the point there were two tests for bias: one that applies to judicial officers and a lower standard that applies to officers of the executive branch of government such as royal commissioners.

    They believe Heydon has revealed no bias by accepting an invitation to address a Liberal Party event and withdrawing when the nature of it became apparent.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/dyson-heydon-not-guilty-careless-perhaps-but-unbiased/story-e6frg9uf-1227484251534

    Wow, if they can convince a (non biased) judge that someone as supposedly bright as heyson didn’t know what the event was (when it is advertised as a liberal party fundraiser) then good luck.

    That’s if they get a judge who isn’t biased. The way things seem to work these days, they’ll probably get a judge who’s booked in for next years fundraiser.

    I notice two of the three judges were from the Australian Catholic University, the other from La Trobe Make of that what you will 😉

    This is in line with the view of Zifcak, a former president of Liberty Victoria, who is a professor of law at the Australian Catholic University.

    “The affair is a trifle,” he said.

    “He is now in no worse a ­position regarding bias than when he first walked up to the bench to take charge of the royal commission.”

    Considering he was biased from the start, then that doesn’t look too good 😉

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:19 pm

    I’m afraid Tom R, when you suggest that there’s no evidence of wrongdoing by union officials, you are tainted by your protestations of–

    But, but, but… Craig is innocent! It’s a set up… He clearly didn’t do anything wrong!

    …and this is even after Craig has been convicted of a criminal offence.

    Your defence of these unions is about as rational and just as impartial.

  260. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:20 pm

  261. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:26 pm

    Your defence of these unions is about as rational and just as impartial.

    My defense of a witch hunt has been vindicated by a judge busted being a partisan hack. And has simply further eroded any faith I may still have had in our legal system.

    They have all been left wanting. Their “opinions” mean shit!

  262. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:29 pm

  263. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:32 pm

  264. August 15, 2015 4:32 pm

    lt seems to me a politically `affiliated` judge should refuse/recuse himself from political-smelling misadventures in the first place if he was behaving ethically. Surely there are judges out there that don`t particularly like either team (as most of the public does) to ensure the witch-hunt stench of bias doesn`t wreck the `highly-expensive` rc. He is a dud-judge on that point alone in my book.

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 4:35 pm

    “He is now in no worse a ­position regarding bias than when he first walked up to the bench to take charge of the royal commission.”

    WGAF! It doesn’t pass either the sniff test or the pub test … ! 🙂

  266. August 15, 2015 5:02 pm

    ao”””Losing the leadership by one vote doesn`t suggest hopeless”””’

    #maybe so armchair, however mr-talkbull HAS sold his arse and credibility on mr-rabbits copper-class, horse`n`cart nbn, among even the tech-savvy voters he is seen as hopeless, among tech-industry, its much nastier

  267. August 15, 2015 5:44 pm

    I`m afraid when you suggest that there`s no evidence of wrongdoing by boardroom officials, you are tainted by your protestations of,

    But, but, but .. Weapons can`t reach 30,000 feet! It`s the soldiers .. Boardrooms should fly where they want!

    and this is even after other airlines avoided the known hot war-zone.

    Your defence of these boardrooms is about as rational and just as impartial.

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2015 6:15 pm

    Don’t bother with that nonsense unless the personal troll/ sock puppet returns.

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 6:51 pm

    ..I notice two of the three judges were from the Australian Catholic University, the other from La Trobe Make of that what you will ;)…

    The catholic mafia/network at work, the blood oath.

    https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/australian-psychological-society-disturbed-by-climate-denialists-misleading-advert,8053

    ..Australia’s peak body representing psychologists has attacked a climate science denial group for a prominent advert taken out in a major national newspaper..

    The Australian Psychological Society (APS) says the advert from a little-known group “misuses psychology-based arguments” to “mislead the public” on the science of climate change.

    In a stinging letter to The Australian newspaper, which ran the half-page advert, the APS said the authors had shown “cognitive biases” in ignoring a “huge body of scientific evidence” on climate change.

    The advertisers identified themselves only as “The Climate Study Group” in the page five advert that appeared on 7 August under the title ‘Psychology and the New Climate Alarm’.

    DeSmog has found the group members have links to mining, finance, agriculture and free market “think tank” the Institute of Public Affairs.. (IPA)

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 7:17 pm

    Capt Calamity is in Libs HQ, SA, spruiking trust 😯 and climate change for upcoming election where they fear a wipeout.

    Trying to do a howard on the voters.

    Is anyone even listening to this fool anymore?

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 7:21 pm

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 7:21 pm

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 15, 2015 7:26 pm

    Good government needn’t be a punchline, Tony Abbott:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71151447/Good-government-needn-t-be-a-punchline-Tony-Abbott

    The Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Key, and half a dozen of his ministers came to Sydney for a joint Cabinet meeting with his Australian counterparts.

    It was a friendly exercise, full of shared interests and personal warmth.

    Abbott greeted Key publicly “not just as a brother, but as soulmate. I do welcome him as someone, not just as a friend, but in very significant ways already a political mentor”.

    But when the Kiwis withdrew to Key’s suite in the Sheraton on the Park hotel at the end of the day, and discussed privately what they’d seen, a consensus quickly formed – they were unimpressed.

    If Key was the mentor, Abbott was a poor student. The NZ leadership foresaw that “it will all end in tears”, as one NZ participant put it to me…

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:01 pm

    Don’t bother with that nonsense unless the personal troll/ sock puppet returns.

    What a withering reply … reminds me of the Grammar Nazi SS …

    Fucking hopeless …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:05 pm

    “”” Is anyone even listening to this fool anymore?””””

    Only the other fools, KL!

    .

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:11 pm

    If Key was the mentor, Abbott was a poor student. The NZ leadership foresaw that “it will all end in tears”, as one NZ participant put it to me…

    I like the Kiwis, they remind me of the Australians I admired in the 20th Century … before we ended up with the dickheads in Canberra that think they own Australia and the rest of us are peasants to be exploited … eg human resources …

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2015 9:29 pm

    INsiders will be interesting tomorrow … chuckle

    Coalition a victim of its own trickiness as colleagues lose faith in Tony Abbott!

    More tricky-gone-wrong came with the revelations about the royal commission into trade union corruption.

    It was designed with two main objectives in mind – to examine deeply concerning allegations concerning some trade unions and to mortally wound the one-time union leader Bill Shorten. The former could have been achieved with the judicial inquiry the Coalition promised during the election campaign, or by using existing processes, such as the courts. But the latter was obviously much better served by the gravitas of a royal commission.

    It was reported at the time that the Coalition was so enthusiastic in pursuing its political goals that the terms of reference had to be corrected in cabinet because as originally drafted they would have actually set up a royal commission into the Labor party rather than the labour movement.

    It was this real suspicion of political motivation that lent lethal credibility to the revelation that the royal commissioner Dyson Heydon had agreed to speak at a Liberal party fundraiser – a fact that will be used to try to shut down the hearings, sully the commission’s findings and certainly blunt its usefulness as a tricky political manoeuvre.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/14/coalition-a-victim-of-its-own-trickiness-as-colleagues-lose-faith-in-tony-abbott

    What a well named newspaper … 🙂

  278. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2015 9:58 am

    the terms of reference had to be corrected in cabinet because as originally drafted they would have actually set up a royal commission into the Labor party rather than the labour movement.

    I hadn’t heard that before, but it is unsurprising.

    Oh what wicked webs we weave hey 😉

    No wonder the libs are fighting so hard to keep him on, it looks like the whole house of cards is built around him.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2015 10:41 am

    I was looking at a NAPLAN assessment last night (one of my g/children) and it suddenly dawned on me … the system is assessing the wrong people …

  280. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2015 10:44 am

    I don’t get it. When Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs simply did her job by issuing her report on the condition of children in detention, she was the subject of frothing attacks by the usual commentators that she was totally compromised, a “partisan political hack,” disgraced her office etc … all on no evidence whatsoever that that she had anything to do with any political party. And yet, when the royal commissioner Dyson Heydon, QC, AO, presiding over the most extraordinarily politically sensitive inquiry into the union movement turns out to have initially agreed to a Liberal Party fundraiser, the same commentators say, no big deal at all, just one of those things, a simple mistake. How does that work again?

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/peter-fitzsimons-they-said-it-20150814-gizi8c.html#ixzz3ivzUfZZI
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  281. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2015 10:45 am

    … the system is assessing the wrong people …

    🙂

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2015 12:11 pm

    Does anyone seriously suggest that-
    • Shorten (AWU) went easy on employers that contributed to the AWU’s training fund or his political campaign?
    • There isn’t a common thread of thuggish behavour running through the CFMEU Construction Division?
    • Many union officials are conflicted by their political ambitions and their obligations to their members?
    • A number of unions inflate their membership numbers to give them greater political power in the ALP?
    • Many union officials use union funds as their personal bank account?

    The TURC is highlighting those issues.

  283. Commissioned Second Guessing permalink
    August 16, 2015 12:18 pm

    Does anyone seriously suggest thatThe TURC is highlighting those issues.

  284. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2015 12:45 pm

    Does anyone seriously suggest that-

    Only rabid barrackers would consider not answering No to pretty much all of those dot points of drowning not waving yomm

    “I was wrong,” expert witness recants

    http://commissionwatch.com.au/wrong-expert-witness-recants/

    Don’t believe what you read in the papers, they are full of one side of the accusation (I can’t even say story)

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2015 12:45 pm

    Nice link CSG … but do you have a point to make?

  286. August 16, 2015 3:51 pm

    commision-watch”””’views mimic lines being run by Abbott, (#boo-of.melb), Liberal Party hardliner Eric Abetz and FWBC chief, Nigel Hadgkiss, in their clamour for beefed-up anti-union laws.

    Like them, Fontana felt no obligation to provide evidence for his claims.

    The one solid claim he made, on behalf of police intelligence, resulted in a back down and apology.

    Pressed for something to support his assertions that CFMEU officials were members of criminal motorcycle gangs, Fontana named Comancheros Sergeant at Arms, Norman Meyer.

    It seemed this intelligence was drawn from a newspaper photo of Meyer, a building worker, at a union rally.

    Informed Meyer was not and never had been a union official, and, in fact, was not even a financial union member, Fontana backed down.

    `I got that wrong. I apologise,` he said.

    He conceded no CFMEU official had ever been charged with blackmail, corruption or drug crimes, despite his claims they were involved in those activities.

    Under cross examination, Fontana admitted he should have also called for employers, including labour hire operators, to face Fit and Proper person tests.(#wink.wink)

    The Fontana (#as.is.boo`s) statement was an odd mixture of middle management gibberish, inaccuracies and political talking points.(#wink.wink)””””

    #competency based dot-point failures

  287. August 16, 2015 3:58 pm

    commission-watch”””When a union is the subject of allegations, Abbott and his henchmen shout them from the rooftops. When corporate Australia is accused of crimes or rorts, Liberal laryngitis is the disease du jour. .. Dave Noonan .. CFMEU””””

    #We know how noonan feels, we have `our` very own in-house corporate deep-throater who has the exact-same problem.

    #bruised.tonsils:-)

  288. August 16, 2015 4:15 pm

    commission-watch””””Our union is opposed to criminality in the building industry, or any other industry,` Noonan said.

    `The CFMEU has a no tolerance policy for any person involved in corruption or criminal activity. No tolerance, for officials and employees of this union, means the sack but we won`t act without evidence and neither should the police.””””

    #notice that the `actual` noonan statement does NOT match any of the dot-point-dill`s claims

    #noonan then goes on to say,

    noonan”””It is probably no coincidence that these fears about criminals in the industry come after a decade of the FWBC running interference on

    union efforts to deal with phoenix operators, tax cheats and employers who systematically rip off their employees.(#wink.wink)”””

    #the phoenix problem are a bigger problem than `our` deep-throater will admit too, one `phoenix` often knocks-out multiple small-biz operators, that have no hope in hell of rebuilding

    noonan”””We have tried to tell them that these are the people who open the door for hardcore criminals.”””

    #true, so does the dodgey `labor-hire` aspect, particularly foreign-ops that are often part of prostitution-like operations, with crime-gang, trafficking of `slaves`, stand-over etc

    #won`t hear that from you know who either

  289. August 16, 2015 5:20 pm

    Keep in mind,

    commission-watch”””Victoria Police is backing the most extreme elements of Tony Abbott`s anti-union agenda, according to a top Melbourne cop.

    In extraordinary evidence to Abbott’s trade union royal commission,

    ### Assistant Commissioner Stephen Fontana(#vic-PLOD),

    outlined a legislative wish list that could have been lifted straight off a HR Nicholls Society propaganda leaflet.”””’

    #The simplest of minds will be filled with the rc-onion-panic, while totally over-looking not only the teabag rc-judge and associated bias/impression/perception of stench. There is also the willful blindness to at least one plod/plod-force being poisoned by teabag-bias too, an `ass-comm` of importance, both within the plod-force, AND as a `starring` witness.

    #l don`t know how the citizens of boltsville-state feel about having their plod/plod-force being a teabag-plod-force, instead of a `neutral`, `non-aligned` plod-force, but l see this as a much greater danger to boltsville-state citizens than any imagined (or-real) onion-panic will ever be. Sir-Joh anybody.? Good luck boltsville-state.

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 16, 2015 8:38 pm

    Ross Bowler aka Bowler barrister on the RC

    Dynamic Tension:
    http://takemetotherhythm.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/dynamic-tension.html

    …Conclusion
    So it can be seen that significant tension has arisen as a result of Commissioner Heydon agreeing to give the speech to the Liberal Party fundraiser. I would resolve the dynamic tension by having Commissioner Heydon withdraw or stand down from the Commission of Inquiry. That would also be an approach which would encourage the community to have confidence in the Courts and the administration of justice…

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 16, 2015 8:38 pm

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 16, 2015 8:47 pm

    [Crikey-Free] Taxpayers spending $1.3m a day to keep asylum seekers in island hellhole
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/07/23/630000-buys-an-asylum-seeker-11-months-in-nauru/?wpmp_switcher=desktop

    …It turns out it would be vastly cheaper to treat asylum seekers like actual human beings and provide proper housing and education services. But the Department of Immigration still says Nauru is a bargain…

  293. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 16, 2015 9:02 pm

    Coalition slips further behind, Shorten’s approval rating improves:
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/coalition-slips-further-behind-shortens-approval-rating-improves-20150816-gizznk#ixzz3iyU5m1Fu

    …The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll shows the government trailing Labor by 54 per cent to 46 per cent on a two-party preferred basis, a result, which if replicated on election day, would cost the Coalition up to 36 seats.

    As Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his Attorney-General, George Brandis, continued to squabble publicly about what to do next on gay marriage, the poll showed a record 69 per cent of voters supported legalised same-sex marriage while 25 per cent remained opposed.

    Same-sex marriage has majority support in every age group, every voter group and each income bracket, including 88 per cent support among 18-24 year olds…

  294. August 16, 2015 9:12 pm

    guardian””””Liberals are openly declaring interest in Bronwyn Bishop`s seat amid speculation she will not recontest it at the next election.

    Former Wallabies player and businessman Bill Calcraft, a Liberal party member who has run for the New South Wales upper house, says while he has no plans to challenge Bishop he would put his hand up for preselection if she resigned.

    Related: Bronwyn Bishop: formidable political warrior who walked a rocky road

    Bishop has held the blue ribbon northern Sydney seat of Mackellar for more than two decades and it is currently on a margin of 15.7%. There have been questions about her future in the seat since her resignation as Speaker over her use of entitlements.

    `I`m not really in a position to comment on what Bishop is doing,` Calcraft said when asked if he thought Bishop would resign.

    `It`s been her seat for a very long time, if she decided not to continue then obviously there`s an opportunity to put your hand up.`

    Calcraft said he had been approached by a number of people about running in the seat if Bishop resigns.

    Calcraft spent many years living and working in London but said he was born and bred in the suburb of Freshwater.

    Calcraft said he was not surprised when he did not get preselection to run on the Liberal upper house ticket this year but thinks a run for Mackellar would go differently.

    `I learned quite a lot really [by running for NSW upper house position],` he said.

    `I learnt how the Liberal party works in a lot of ways. I understand the process, clearly I hadn`t been around that long, I wasn`t that well known in the party. There are lots of good people who have done lots of good work over the years, I can see how that`s favoured, but I`m back, I have quite a lot of experience.`

    Bishop, who is said to have an iron-like grip on the Liberal party branches in her electorate, has favoured her chief of staff, Damien Jones, as her replacement.

    Asked if Jones would be his main competition for the seat, Calcraft responded: `I don`t know, I can’t comment on that, I can understand that, I think I’ll get good support from the party.`

    Calcraft said he has been friends with the prime minister, whose electorate neighbours Mackellor, for years.

    `I have not specifically [approached him] on this particular seat, I`ve mentioned my interest in running for party to Tony. I would hope Tony would think it’s a positive,` he said.

    `I know how it works and Mrs Bishop may well continue [in the seat], that`s fine, it’s her seat as far as I’m concerned.”””’

    http://t.co/ET8m4BabYy

    #Looks like a little teabag-panic is setting-in in mackeller.

    #What a shame.

  295. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 8:07 am

    Dyson Heydon should be the one answering questions over his decision to address a Liberal party fundraiser, when the royal commission into trade unions resumes, one of the country’s respected legal minds said on Monday.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/heydon-should-face-questions-over-bias-labor-demands-to-know-royal-commissioners-salary–20150816-gj09l9.html#ixzz3j1BOM9qE
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    So, should they get Shorten or Gillard to cross examine him?

  296. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 8:09 am

    I see hockey is out and about lying again.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:11 am

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:21 am

    457 visas = exploitation – according to unions

    Unions caught out in hiring ‘imported labour on 457 visas’

    Unions representing some of Australia’s lowest-paid workers have been caught out using imported labour, with United Voice employing nine people on 457 visas.

    Two other unions — the Australian Education Union and the Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association — have also hired staff on the temporary skilled work visas.

    Yes, unions are beyond reproach!

    It’s not in the public interest to even have a look at how they operate.

    http://hotcopper.com.au/threads/unions-caught-out-in-hiring-%E2%80%98imported-labour.2573350/#.VdEZ7jh-_mQ

  299. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:24 am

    Yea AO, a lot of people are running that he was invited before the commission got going, but I haven’t really seen confirmation one way or another

    Not that it matters. He should have declined it the moment he was given the gig.

  300. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:36 am

    457 visas = exploitation – according to unions

    I’m sorry, so Unions highlighting the many cases of employers ripping off workers using the loopholes in the 457 visas means they are not allowed to higher any foreign workers for anything? That is patently stupid yomm. Now, IF they were underpaying them, or had not ticked all and more of the boxes to employ the workers, then there MIGHT be a story.

    Until then, it’s just the stoopid looking stoopider.

    Come back with that evidence and perhaps we’ll take notice of you 😉

  301. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:44 am

    lol, the #turd is so far gone, it’s only got hte likes of akerman to defend it. I did laugh at this though

    We need to know why Shorten used WorkChoices to abolish penalty rates for cleaners

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/who_will_stand_up_for_dyson_heydon_a_man_of_honour/#.VdEbF27ZJQQ.twitter

    Not a very vociferous supporter of workchoices now is poor old akers. He (like others) appears to have changed his tune on the great industrial reform that wasn’t.

    I find it kind of funny, kind of sad, that they are attacking a Union Official for allegedly “ripping off workers” because he was forced to use the industrial laws of the time. What a monumental facepalm if only akers would recognise it.

  302. August 17, 2015 9:48 am

    Ipsos poll today: 54/46 to ALP

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:49 am

    So Shorten gives employers an EBA that provides cheap labour, but it is entirely a coincidence that they then contribute to his “training fund” and/or election campaign.

    No, nothing to look at here…no…nothing at all…and by the way…

    LOOK OVER THERE!!!!

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:49 am

    “Tony Abbott has the overwhelming support of the party room,” Senator Cormann said.

    Oh, I do hope so …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/turnbull-cements-poll-lead-over-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1227486229075

  305. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:50 am

    Ipsos poll today: 54/46 to ALP

    And that was before hockey came out and proved he’s been asleep for the past several years 😉

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:53 am

    So Shorten gives employers an EBA that provides cheap labour

    Shorten worked within the legal framework of the time. All this does is highlight just how bad workchoices was. Hilarious that vociferous supporters are now attacking Shorten for being forced to abide by it.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:55 am

    What a monumental facepalm if only akers would recognise it.

    Akers looks like a toad, croaks like a toad, has brain like a toad …

    I was “banned” from commenting on his blog just before the 2007 elections (fkn hell! That long ago!) – so I changed my email and blog name to, The End Is Nigh! I took greta delight in commenting the day after the election as, The End Is HERE!

  308. August 17, 2015 9:57 am

    Much LOLs…

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:59 am

    … but it is entirely a coincidence that they then contribute to his “training fund” and/or election campaign.

    Once again you show your ignorance of IR … and do you have evidence of that last statement “and/or election campaign”? Or are you getting shrill and making shit up again?

    Unions! BOO!

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:59 am

    Yeah. Cheap labour, cough up into a “training fund”, contribute to a political campaign, but there is simply no relationship between any of that!

    It’s all a fraud, a political beat-up.

    …and anyway, it must be fine – because it was (probably, possibly) LEGAL.

  311. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:05 am

    It’s all a fraud, a political beat-up.

    That’s how I read it too yomm, which is why I asked you for evidence 😉

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:06 am

    Follow up on, sreb’s, tweet link above … from The Australian …

    Labor had a formidable lead of 56-44 per cent on a two-party-preferred basis when Ipsos asked voters how they would allocate their preferences, although pollsters differ on the reliability of this measure …

    … “I’m not worried about sniping because ultimately there’s no limit to what a man can do and where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit.” That aphorism is displayed on a plaque in his office.

    “We’ll go to the next election with a reform agenda that prepares the Australian economy for the 21 century,” Mr Hockey said.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/as-polls-worsen-joe-hockey-vows-to-fight-election-on-reform/story-fn59niix-1227486125440

  313. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:06 am

    That’s priceless reb. hockey wants to prepare us for the 21st Century 😯

    Well, considering they seem to be living in the 19th century, they really are ahead of THEIR times 😉

  314. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:08 am

    “We’ll go to the next election with a reform agenda that prepares the Australian economy for the 21 century,” Mr Hockey said.

    Look mum, he said it again ROFL

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:09 am

    …and anyway, it must be fine – because it was (probably, possibly) LEGAL.

    Sounding shrill there, ToM … now … should Haydon resign?

    Should the government reveal how much of our dwindling government funds have been wasted on the “Commissioner” … ?

    Just askin’ …

  316. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:10 am

    It appears heydon’s slept in for his #turc grilling from the Unions 😆

    http://www.commcast.com.au/turc

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:10 am

    I was “banned” from commenting on his blog

    Heavens!

    I had no idea that he preferred contributors that knew what they were talking about.

  318. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:15 am

    priceless

  319. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:15 am

    I had no idea that he preferred contributors that knew what they were talking about.

    So were you banned too yomm? That’s sad 😦

  320. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:24 am

    Is #turc #turd?

    20 minutes in, and no Heyson?

    Or can’t he find the defendants seat, where Gillard will be grilling him in today? Let’s hope he doesn’t start “acting” 😉

  321. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:28 am

    ELVIS IS IN THE BUILDING

    (nothing to see here)

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:39 am

    I had no idea that he preferred contributors that knew what they were talking about.

    You’re so attractive when you’re angry, ToM … 🙂

    Didn’t answer my questions tho’ … I can always tell private school lads who played rugby union … when they’re losing they always play the man … LOL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re: The Cleaners Packs … ROFLMAO … that is PLATINUM!

    How to make a point …

    Even ToM would have a giggle at that, surely?

  323. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:42 am

    The best part would be watching yabot handing them to mummy credlin and asking what the hell to with them

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:46 am

    TR, Elvis referring to Heydon? He’s turned up?

  325. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 10:54 am

    referring to Heydon?

    Yep, got in and pretends like nothing happened lol

    Maybe he IS a good “actor”?

  326. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:12 am

    Good

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:14 am

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:17 am

    http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/jamie-briggs-flew-to-norfolk-island-to-announce-path-already-half-built-by-locals/story-fni6uo1m-1227485979911

    …SOUTH Australian MP Jamie Briggs took a charter flight to Norfolk Island and announced a footpath the locals had already half built, “horrified” residents say.

    The Advertiser revealed last week that the Assistant Infrastructure Minister — who is the minister responsible for Norfolk Island — spent $25,000 flying to the remote island for one night in 2014…

  329. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:19 am

    $25,000

    How much does half a fucken footpath cost?

  330. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:20 am

    Ouch 🙂

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:29 am

    How much does half a fucken footpath cost?

  332. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:32 am

    lol ao, at this rate, The Advertiser will be left will no one but marshall (state OL) reading it 🙂 What a thin skinned looney

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:43 am

    On now, after a brief adjournment

    Ewin Hannan ‏@EwinHannan

    ACTU to make application at #turc at 1130 for Heydon to release all documents about Lib fundraiser.

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:54 am

    Heydon drinks water as the union lawyer is reading through his emails 😉

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:59 am

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:03 pm

    The Advertiser revealed last week that the Assistant Infrastructure Minister — who is the minister responsible for Norfolk Island — spent $25,000 flying to the remote island for one night in 2014…

    Add another $9,000 to $25,000 ($33, 700) and you’ve the age pension for a couple for a YEAR!

    Fkn hypocrites all …

  337. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:06 pm

    Union lawyer wanted adjournment for 24 hrs to seek further instructions and do his homework with documents. Heydon says “very unsatistactory” and gives him an hour.

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:10 pm

    I get the impression the ACTU may have stuffed up this application … however, that won’t interest the folks on the street … you can fool some of the people some of the time …

    Heydon will fall on his sword eventually, or get pushed onto it one way or another … the slippery slope can be short or long … but once you’re on it you can’t get back up …

    This is not going away … the hole will be dug deeper and deeper and more and more people will get caught in the backwash … hopefully!

    One incompetent lawyer won’t let him escape …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:13 pm

    Union lawyer wanted adjournment for 24 hrs to seek further instructions and do his homework with documents. Heydon says “very unsatistactory” and gives him an hour.

    Absolute power?

    Not a good look to be squirming … how many ALP pollies are lawyers?

    Movie script anyone?

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:24 pm

    the key question becomes this – does the integrity of an individual (Dyson Heydon) outweigh the public interest in maintaining the highest levels of trust and confidence in the institution of a Royal Commission? This is not a novel question. Judges are routinely (if infrequently) required to decide if they should recuse themselves in cases where there is a perception of bias. If that perception is insurmountable – and especially if linked to facts, such as the fundraising invitation to the Barwick lecture, then that is typically the course of action that a judge will take. In some regards, the standards applied to a Royal Commissioner are even higher, as the scope of their authority is wider than that of a judge. Indeed, Commissioner Heydon has argued, in his own judgements, that the mere perception of bias should lead to a judge being disqualified from hearing a case in which this concern arises. In a 2011 High Court judgement, Dyson Heydon wrote that:

    “It is fundamental to the administration of justice that the judge be neutral. It is for this reason that the appearance of departure from neutrality is a ground of disqualification.”

    “It is the perception of the hypothetical observer that is the yardstick”, Heydon declared.

    It is Commissioner Heydon’s own reasoning that provides the answer to the question of what he ought now do. He must now distinguish his case from all others in which his earlier judgement has been applied. In doing so, he will have to convince all future witnesses not to seek, in each case, for the Commissioner to recuse himself on the basis of apprehended bias. If Commisioner Heydon cannot make a convincing argument, then the burden of this issue will fall on him to resign.

    http://www.ethics.org.au/on-ethics/our-blog/august-2015/justice-and-a-royal-commissoner

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:27 pm

    The Advertiser revealed last week that the Assistant Infrastructure Minister — who is the minister responsible for Norfolk Island — spent $25,000 flying to the remote island for one night in 2014…

    What gets me is how come stuff like this comes out now? Like kids in detention, and Labor locked up 2,000 kids, nobody cared until the Coalition won govt.

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:32 pm

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:35 pm

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:38 pm

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:50 pm

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 12:53 pm

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:09 pm

    What gets me is how come stuff like this comes out now? Like kids in detention, and Labor locked up 2,000 kids, nobody cared until the Coalition won govt.

    That might be simply timing. The pollies have their entitlement spending published every 6 mths. Perhaps it was late 2014 that he took the trip. If they had to publish this stuff immediately, they would come under scrutiny a lot sooner.

    …Several have contacted The Advertiser, saying it was a disappointing whistlestop visit and that Mr Briggs brought along an Australian Federal Police entourage.

    Resident Brett Sanderson said at least half of the footpath was already there and questioned the cost of the flight.

    “He was on-island for 7.5 hours, to announce a ‘vital piece of infrastructure’. A footpath. Trouble is, it’s already half-built using funds raised by the local police and volunteer labour,” he said…

    Fellow resident Daniel Williams said fundraisers, including police charity golf days, raised thousands for the footpath.

    “He just flew over here, I don’t know what the whole idea of his flight was. All he accomplished was announcing an extension of an already existing footpath,” he said…

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:24 pm

    And they also have a media branch, a catholic branch, an employer branch, numerous lobbyist branches, miners branch, IPA branch, public servant branch, special friends branch [greggy sheridan, michael lawler, james ashby etc] rupert murdoch branch, corporations branch, climate deniers branch.

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:31 pm

  350. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:35 pm

    That might be simply timing. The pollies have their entitlement spending published every 6 mths.

    Sort of correct. If the ALP was in power this stuff would not come out. The “timing” is that the Coalition is in power. But maybe Labor has scored an own goal.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-04/tony-burke-under-fire-over-12000-dollar-family-trip-to-uluru/6672464

    Department of Finance records show in April 2012, while he was environment minister, Mr Burke made a four-day return trip from Sydney to Uluru in Central Australia and claimed his own flight worth $2,181.43 plus four “family traveller” airfares worth $8,656.48..Mr Burke also charged taxpayers for travel allowances worth $1,497, and $463.74 for a hire car. The total cost to taxpayers for the trip was $12,707.65.

  351. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:39 pm

    If the ALP was in power this stuff would not come out.

    Seriously interested.

    Who has the longest memory span. nil or a goldfish?

    My moneys on Dory!

  352. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:47 pm

    Poor ol forgetful judge

    Seems he doesn’t like being on the receiving end of interrogations. Maybe he should go back and watch Gillard and Shorten to see how one does it with style 😉

    He has magnanimously extended the time from one hour until 4pm, after the Union asked for a week to review the documents.

    Imagine if there was a joke about a mussel in their correspondence 🙂

  353. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:53 pm

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 1:57 pm

    The “timing” is that the Coalition is in power. But maybe Labor has scored an own goal.

    So what, does that exempt the coalition from any scrutiny? Stop, there will be no embarrassments when the coalition is in power people! Meanwhile the libs dirt unit is trawling through decades old stuff to ambush labor with.

    Your one eye has a blind spot.

    Briggs expose could have come from within his own party, the enemy within, why do you assume it’s labor? Someone leaked to a journo..

  355. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:01 pm

    ROFL

    How was the poor old forgetful judge meant to know it was a liberal event?

    SUBJECT: Liberal Party of Australia.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  356. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:02 pm

    How do we know he has handed over all of his correspondence anyway? do we just take him at his word?

    I think the AFP should grab his [and the lib organiser’s] computer and check what’s been deleted [if they haven’t already had their hard drives removed] 🙂

  357. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:04 pm

    Someone leaked to a journo..

    Considering the comments from the locals, I’d start there first.

    Imagine, all that fundraising and hard work, and a tosser comes flying in to try and steal the cred. Pretty sure there would be some there with their noses out of joint.

  358. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:15 pm

    Briggs expose could have come from within his own party, the enemy within, why do you assume it’s labor? Someone leaked to a journo..

    That Briggs trip does not look like it was for personal benefit like Burkes trip to Ayres Rock with his kids. Briggs was only there for 7.5 hrs. Looks like it was just a waste of taxpayers money. But maybe he legally had to be there to open something.

    But i do find it strange that this entitlement stuff comes out right during the middle of the RC.

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:27 pm

    When journo’s start investigating and not just re-typing govt memo’s handed to them, things can gather a life of their own.

    Dyson Heydon was on panel that awarded Tony Abbott his prized Rhodes Scholarship:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dyson-heydon-was-on-panel-that-awarded-tony-abbott-his-prized-rhodes-scholarship-20150817-gj0o8o.html

    …Mr Heydon was part of the seven-member Rhodes Trust selection committee in NSW that in 1980 handed the prestigious Rhodes scholarship to the future prime minister, then a 23 year-old student politician at Sydney University…

    …The emergence of the Rhodes scholarship connection sets the personal relationship between Mr Abbott and his hand-picked judge to lead the trade union royal commission back decades…

  360. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:30 pm

    “Senate once again rejects the ABCC.”

    A great victory for thugs, bikies and crooks everywhere.

  361. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:31 pm

    Dyson Heydon was on panel that awarded Tony Abbott his prized Rhodes Scholarship:

    That explains a lot. Hard to imagine someone so clueless could get this far without patronage.

    And his entire time in political life has been trying to tear down any kind of leveling of the playing field for those not born into patronage, but with the skills to make it IF the field is level.

    Now we see why!

    From what I have read of the emails to heydon, it is pretty damning (although, no mussel jokes as yet)

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:31 pm

    Briggs was only there for 7.5 hrs

    $25,000 for a 7.5 hr visit seems extraordinarily expensive to me. Wasn’t a very economical decision.

    How much would it have cost if they didn’t choose a charter flight and why did he have AFP entourage with him? Was he scared of the locals or something? Is the AFP embedded with the liberal party?

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:36 pm

    …That explains a lot. Hard to imagine someone so clueless could get this far without patronage…

    He has had patronage all of his life. From his student days onward there have been very old, powerful males who he seems to have sought out and cultivated for guidance, mentoring and career enhancing favours.

  364. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:38 pm

    A great victory for thugs, bikies and crooks everywhere.

    I think you will find that it was “rejected” sb 😉

    #justsayin

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:40 pm

    $25,000 for a 7.5 hr visit seems extraordinarily expensive to me. Wasn’t a very economical decision.

    Does seem a lot of money but he did not go there for sightseeing like Burke did to Ayres Rock. How much can you see in 7.5hrs?

    I think we need to assume he was there to open something that legally only a MP could do unless we have further information.

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:45 pm

    I see Kneel is desperately trying to change the subject – under instructions from his Young Liberal Supervisor!

    Heydon … reminds me of a sales rep who was selling product to contractors and charging dealer prices then pocketing the difference … he claimed as his defence, he didn’t know it was a breach of company policy … my boss – the HR Manager, and I, burst out laughing at the same time* … the sales rep’s boss the Marketing Manager didn’t know why – he was desperately trying not to terminate the employment of this boofhead …

    * the sales rep wasn’t present at the time.

    My boss, said, “you’d better tell him” … I replied, “So … do you fire him for stealing, or do you fire him ’cause he’s incompetent? ‘Cause either way we don’t think he should be employed here”.

    Now apply that principle to a senior judge “overlooking” – “LIBERAL PARTY function + logo” … and “donations” in 2014 … he’s either lying or incompetent … either way we don’t think he should be employed here …

    I’d bet quids that Heydon has also attended more than one Sir Garfield Barwick Addresses … to know the drill!

    Personally I’d go for both!

  367. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 2:58 pm

    heydon has been unforgiving with “forgetfulness” in his “court”

    The feeling should simply be returned.

    Honestly, why do these idiots dig in so hard. If they let bronnie go earlier, it would not have got so messy. And now, the #turc findings aren’t worth the paper they are invited on.

    Not that they were anyway, but now, the majority of the voting public know it too.

  368. August 17, 2015 3:04 pm

    t”””getting shrill and making shit up again?””#Correct:-)

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2015 3:17 pm

    I see Kneel is desperately trying to change the subject – under instructions from his Young Liberal Supervisor!

    I have no problem if Heydon is removed and replaced by someone else.

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 3:19 pm

  371. August 17, 2015 3:22 pm

    l reckon dear old dyson is fcuked, lf l had to answer questions at the rc, l would ditch the old `l-don`t-recall` chestnut and use,

    l was not a speaker at a Liberal party fund raiser:-)

  372. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 3:29 pm

    I have no problem if Heydon is removed and replaced by someone else.

    He goes, #turd goes

  373. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 3:30 pm

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 3:54 pm

    That shows how economically illiterate ABC News Fact Check is. You can’t half tell that the ALP funded that enterprise!

    I understand that the CFMEU are a bunch of stupid thugs but I expected a bit more from the ABC than to merely lick CFMEU arse and pronounce it delicious.

    There is no demonstration anywhere that Australians will be sacked because of the FTA.

    The only thing that “checks out” is the ABC’s bias.

  375. August 17, 2015 4:01 pm

    ls it just me teabags, or is there `really` more rolled-gold comedy in these poll-reports,

    smh””””Inside the Prime Minister’s inner circle, they tell themselves that they can win the next election because Bill Shorten is so hopeless.

    They’ve told themselves that 166 times in a row;

    that’s the number of consecutive polls since the government was ahead in any of them.””””via-reb

    +

    smh””””The electorate doesn’t disagree with the Liberals’ assessment of Shorten. The Labor leader’s approval rating consistently has a minus sign in front of it. It’s just that the

    people think Tony Abbott is even more hopeless.

    Shorten’s approval rating today is minus 10 per cent.

    Abbott’s approval rating? Minus 24.””””

    +

    smh””””Abbott was elected Prime Minister not because the people wanted him but because they thought it was worth copping him to get rid of Labor.

    Now Shorten is heading to victory not because the people want him but because they think it’s worth copping him to get rid of Abbott.

    “He’s the less repellent of the two,” is how Jess Elgood puts it.”””

    +

    smh””””The poll that will have the greatest force won’t be an opinion poll, however, but a real world poll, the looming by election for the West Australian seat of Canning.

    It will decide just how hopeless Shorten is, and whether it’s Abbott who should abandon hope.”””’

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:02 pm

    There is no demonstration anywhere that Australians will be sacked because of the FTA.

    That’s not what it says … its about offering jobs first …

    What was that again …?

    That shows how economically illiterate ABC News Fact Check is. You can’t half tell that the ALP funded that enterprise!

    MMMMM …

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:03 pm

    Couldn’t help it, I had to lol

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:04 pm

    “””Abbott was elected Prime Minister not because the people wanted him but because they thought it was worth copping him to get rid of Labor. “””

    Something some of us have been saying for a long time … since before the last election actually …

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:05 pm

    LOL @ KL (ack John W)

  380. August 17, 2015 4:14 pm

    hey team-cheerer the @Left_of_Labor twitter-nick tends to indicate they `may` see alp as rwnj-teabag-lite too #justsaying

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:19 pm

    “That’s not what it says … its about offering jobs first …”

    That is precisely what it says.

    The tweet above says: “Unions say the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement will cost jobs.

    The ABC fact check story headline is:”Fact check: Does the China Free Trade Agreement threaten Australian jobs?

  382. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:20 pm

    That shows how economically illiterate ABC News Fact Check is.

    Unfortunately for you, the actual deal backstabbing Australian workers doesn’t backup your frothing

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:22 pm

    The tweet above says: “Unions say the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement will cost jobs.”

    It will if jobs aren’t “offered” … starting to sound a bit like ToM …

    FFS!

  384. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:25 pm

    “Unions say the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement will cost jobs.”

    Chinese workers getting jobs instead of Australians IS costing Australians their (potential) jobs. Wake up and smell the English Language

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:27 pm

    Good news! Heydon will now be in the news all week ’til Friday 10am …

    Slow roasted is always better!

  386. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:27 pm

    starting to sound a bit like ToM

    That’s a bit harsh TB

    Deserved, but harsh 😉

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:30 pm

    Tricky Dicky Abbott caught with his knickers down again!

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:32 pm

    I like people who can play with words – like sb, – but to make it up ain’t playing proper – that’s Tricky Dicky shite … bit like someone else here who will “tell” you what you said or think even if you haven’t and don’t …

  389. August 17, 2015 4:41 pm

    bc””’Heydon’s problem is that everything he says today excusing his behaviour will be measured against judgments he later has to make of others.

    , Barrie Cassidy (@barriecassidy) August 17, 2015””’

    +

    bk”””Imagine the editorialising Heydon would be offering if Shorten had offered the same lame excuses for “overlooking” declaring donations.

    , Bernard Keane (@BernardKeane) August 17, 2015””’

    +

    #those two tweets sum it up real well armchair

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:42 pm

    What sort of person thinks like this …

    WHEN Queen Elizabeth II heard that Princess Diana had been involved in a serious car crash in Paris almost 18 years ago, she blurted out, “Someone must have greased the brakes,” a new biography says.

    Princess Diana was killed August 31, 1997, along with her boyfriend Dodi Fayed and their drunken driver when they crashed while being chased by paparazzi.

    The New York Post reports that the Queen made the startling statement before she realised Diana had been killed, along with boyfriend Dodi Fayed, Ingrid Seward wrote in The Queen’s Speech.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/queen-elizabeth-ii-someone-must-have-greased-the-brakes/story-fnisprwn-1227486201836

    The Firm at work …

    Vive la Republique!

  391. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:46 pm

  392. High Flyers permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:50 pm

    In March 2023, I overlooked the connection between the person or persons organising the event and the Liberal Party which had been stated in the email of 10 April of 2014″.

  393. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:55 pm

    “I like people who can play with words “

    Then you must love the ABC! If they are going to “fact check” then they should be factual instead of playing with words.

  394. Walrus permalink
    August 17, 2015 4:58 pm

    “Chinese workers getting jobs instead of Australians IS costing Australians their (potential) jobs. Wake up and smell the English Language ”

    LOL………well Australian blue collar workers are finally going to need to justify their expensive labour to the Real World of Economic Reality.

    Guess what Unions………………………the world has finally caught up to you and your future looks bleak.

    You had your chance to reform and you dug your heels in.

    Now its the turn of service industries like Finance, Banking, Insurance and Health Services to enjoy a period of growth

  395. August 17, 2015 5:07 pm

    blubbering””””Now its the turn of service industries like Finance, Banking, Insurance and Health Services to enjoy a period of growth””””

    #now who is deluding themselves, large chunks of `back-office` have been off-shored/out-sourced if ya`talking `jobs-growth`, the desperately needed growth, or are you restricting ya`growth comment to boardroom-wages.

  396. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:09 pm

    WTF is a “potential job”, Tom R?

    First there is no evidence that someone will be booted from their job.

    Second, there is no evidence that overall there will be less jobs.

    The greatest job-killers in this country are unions like the CFMEU.

  397. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:14 pm

    WTF is a “potential job”, Tom R?

    One that an Australian would have got if it hadn’t been given away to a cheaper imported one.

    Second, there is no evidence that overall there will be less jobs.

    The evidence is already there, they are called 457 visas, and have been used to undercut pays, and jobs, in the past. Now, they don’t even need that pretense

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:24 pm

    It looks as if Heydon will stick with the TURC.

    Unions have foreshadowed a challenge in the courts, so if they win – he’s gone. If they lose, they’ll have to suck it up.

  399. August 17, 2015 5:25 pm

    splattering””’The greatest job-killers in this country are unions like the CFMEU.””’#TOTAL.CRAP

    #ln the `industry`(construction) teh cmfu2 operates, phoenix-ops and 457-labor-hire kill-off way more jobs than (if)any onion does.

    #free-trade-bullshit, like the one in qld, china buy-up of everything from cattle-station to port will kill-off a shit-load more jobs, flogging-off assets dressed-up as `investment`, you don`t have a fcuking clue what you`re splattering about

  400. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:27 pm

    “One that an Australian would have got if it hadn’t been given away to a cheaper imported one.”

    And what makes you think this potential job would have materialised in the first place?

    “The evidence is already there, they are called 457 visas, and have been used to undercut pays, and jobs, in the past.”

    Oh yes: didn’t Gillard use them and the TWU and United Vice?

  401. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:36 pm

    “Sniff it…”

    A wise decision by Justice Perram!

  402. August 17, 2015 5:41 pm

    Quite frankly numb-skulls, you think that aussie-wage-rates should `compete` with china-wage-rates(10cent/hour) is something worth chortling about.

    #hint.1 aussies can`t live on 10cents/hour, no matter `how` fcuking hard they work

    #hint.2 when people can`t earn a `lawful` and `adequate` income, then they will earn an `unlawful` income

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:47 pm

    Now its the turn of service industries like Finance, Banking, Insurance and Health Services to enjoy a period of growth

    A period of fkn growth????

    So what can you fix on your car, Wally?

    Build a straight brick wall, can you?

    What a bout baking a loaf of bread?

    Or just driving a truck?

    Try living in a portable building for three weeks in a room the same size as a prison cell and sharing toilets and showers … and heat that varies between -5 and 48 degrees C depending on the time of year … and six day 12 hour shifts …

    Now its the turn of finance, insurance and banking … health services is an odd one to add in but I agree they’ve always been underpaid … but bankers?

    COMMONWEALTH Bank chief Ian Narev earned double the average annual Australian wage every week over the past year as the value of his pay and perks package hit $8.3 million.

    The bank last week revealed a record full-year profit for an Australian lender of $9.06 billion.

    But despite earning big bucks, he is still not the highest-paid banker, getting less than ANZ’s Mike Smith on $10.7 million.

    The average Aussie earns about $77,000 a year after annual salaries rose by just 0.4 per cent in the six months to May 2015 to be 2.0 per cent higher than a year ago.

    It’s also much more than most financial services workers make — an average of $89,736, according to the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics data.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/cba-chief-ian-narev-is-paid-twice-as-much-in-a-week-as-most-australians-get-in-a-year/story-fnkjidjt-1227486971443

  404. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:48 pm

    It looks as if Heydon will stick with the TURC.

    The bronnie chopter of the silks

    He got an email with “SUBJECT: Liberal Party of Australia.” on it inviting him to speak ffs.

    Then again, with the system we seem to have now, who knows.

    Either way, the #turc is irretrievably damaged. Anytime they make those outlandish statements like “acting” or “unreliable”, they just gotta counter with “forgetful” 🙂

    didn’t Gillard use them and the TWU and United Vice?

    Well, if you want to hire people from overseas, it’s kinda hard to moss it. But, the important thing is, they didn’t “misuse” them, as they are prone to.

  405. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 5:49 pm

    doesn’t smell like a fishy payback at all

    It fucken reeks of it.

  406. August 17, 2015 5:50 pm

    “A wise decision by Justice Perram!”

    Indeed!

    It may in fact provoke the serial extorters to re-evaluate the longevity of their business model.

    Shows the mercenary tactics of, dare I say it, Big US Media Corp…

  407. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 17, 2015 6:04 pm

    TBoss, surely letters of extortion would constitute misleading and deceptive conduct or such like??

  408. August 17, 2015 6:10 pm

    Not in the USA, apparently.

  409. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 6:25 pm

    Abbott and Heydon also together in the Australians for Constitutional monarchy too.

  410. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 17, 2015 6:28 pm

  411. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 6:35 pm

    Heydon’s own explanation hinges on his insistence he never knew it was a fundraiser, “overlooked” the fact that it was a Liberal party event and didn’t read the invitation that clearly showed it was both.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/17/whens-a-political-fundraiser-not-a-fundraiser-when-it-doesnt-raise-much?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Yea, he’ll be fine. Cleared and back letting Unions get slandered daily. You Know It Makes Sense

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 7:08 pm

    I find it bizarre that the Accused is the Judge, the Jury and the Court Jester …

    What an Act …

    With any luck this will wander its way slowly to the High Court …

    If this bloke remains as the Commissioner of this RC there just might be a lot of people on the streets just before the next election … that would go well for Tricky Dicky Abbott, hey?

  413. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:09 pm

    “the Accused is the Judge, the Jury and the Court Jester …

    Really? That is probably more indicative of your frame of mind than his actual authority/role.

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:11 pm

    But, the important thing is, they didn’t “misuse” them, as they are prone to.

    How do you know? Do you assume this because a union didn’t put out a press release objecting?

  415. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2015 9:26 pm

    Do you assume this because a union didn’t put out a press release objecting?

    I “assume” this because the deepest they can dig is “they used 457 visas” Like they can avoid them anyway lol.

    Meanwhile, you “assume” the guy given a multi million dollar gig to kill his ideological opponents can get away with “I forgot”

  416. August 17, 2015 9:43 pm

    Suck it up Teabags, on dear old dyson you`ve been fully pwned by the team-cheerer, he ran rings around`ya single-handed.

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2015 11:27 pm

    I see ToM’s got all snotty ’cause the RC Unions is slowly crumbling away … as Tricky Dicky Abbott kicks another own goal …

    Really? That is probably more indicative of your frame of mind than his actual authority/role.</I.

    Whatever that actually means – but thank you … I think …

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:33 am

    Interesting comment

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-16/-19-an-hour-waiters-risk-stunting-growth-in-reform-shy-australia

    Award-winning chef Ben Willis would have no trouble filling his Canberra restaurant on Sundays. It’s been voted the best in the Australian capital three years running.

    But faced with a A$25.94 ($19.12)-an-hour wage bill even for trainee waiters under Australia’s complex system of pay rates, he says it makes no financial sense to open.

    “These restrictions to business are so out of date,” said Willis, 40, of the so-called penalty rates that double wages for Sunday shifts in some service industries.

  419. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 8:08 am

    lolz nil, I love the defense. Our economy is so good, we are afraid to change it ROFL

    It’s been 96 quarters since the last recession, which has made Australians wary of the reform it needs.”

    Of course, flip that, and you may even say ““It’s been 96 quarters since the last recession, which has made Australians recognise that things are pretty as they are.” 😉

    This was the most ridiculous “The labor market is now rigid” Reminds me of the “wage” explosion we were supposed to have. Try this for a more interesting (and researched) comment

    Recent labour force data have confirmed a near text book degree of flexibility in wages

    http://thekouk.com/blog/australia-s-flexible-labour-market.html

    (yes, it’s from Feb 2014, but, since this do nothing mob have …. done nothing, it still holds)

    And, for this rubbish about closing down business on weekends

    Verdict

    It is true that there is feedback from some restaurants and cafes that they are closing due to the high cost of Sunday penalty rates. However, even when you look at the restaurant and cafe industry’s own survey, only 10% of businesses surveyed closed on a Sunday. Of the 90% that remained open on a Sunday, more than half did so because they made a profit. Less than a quarter said penalty rates were reducing their profits. The evidence that restaurants and cafes are closing on Sundays because of prohibitively high costs is, at best, ambiguous.

    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-are-a-lot-of-cafes-and-restaurants-closing-because-of-sunday-penalty-rates-45951

  420. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 8:57 am

    I find it bizarre that the Accused is the Judge, the Jury and the Court Jester …

    It is a bit of a joke isn’t it TB. He decides if he’s biased or not.

    Tony Abbott’s handpicked royal commissioner into trade union corruption, Dyson Heydon, will rule on Friday on whether any application from unions to disqualify him has merit.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/trade-unions-royal-commission-hangs-by-thread-as-dyson-heydon-admits-political-links-20150817-gj15qv.html#ixzz3j7FNOiZG
    Follow us: @canberratimes on Twitter | CanberraTimes on Facebook

    I kinda hope he stays on.

  421. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:03 am

    I was listening to Julian Burnside on AM, he suggested that a new RC could be appointed with terms of reference that had regard to evidence already provided.

    That would be reasonable.

  422. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:21 am

    a new RC could be appointed

    Yep, that’s always gonna look good. A new witch hunt, backed by the biased judge booted from the first witch hunt.

    yabot got greedy. Couldn’t harm Gillard, so went after Shorten. The blatant political nature was always obvious to watchers. The blatant political nature is now obvious to all.

    yabots wings have melted. All that is left to see is how far he will fall before his party cut him lose

  423. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:03 am

    But faced with a A$25.94 ($19.12)-an-hour wage bill even for trainee waiters under Australia’s complex system of pay rates, he says it makes no financial sense to open…

    pfft, greedy employer activists, they just keep pushing and pushing for unregulated wages until they can pay a person whatever they’ll take, the more desperate the better.

    Did he mention what he pays himself and how much profit he is making?

    Meanwhile right now on the airwaves they are justifying the huge banker CEO wages in the $8 & 10 millions something about paying to attract the best talent!

    …I was listening to Julian Burnside on AM, he suggested that a new RC could be appointed with terms of reference that had regard to evidence already provided…

    I heard that too tomM, and at the end f the conversation he said “but this is a RC” which I assume is the problem. Does the personal nature of the letters patent for a RC appointment allow for someone else? I guess all the legal eagles will be looking at that now and abbott searching for another lib friendly, biased judge who won’t make such a silly mistake.

  424. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:04 am

    “That would be reasonable.”

    Reasonable has got nothing to do with it. This is about a powerful well-entrenched and utterly corrupt cabal making sure it is not accountable for its corrupt thuggery.

    At least it provides the opportunity for the likes of Tom R to show how much he enjoys fellating Satan and spewing his stinking jizz on the rest of us in his rancid apologetics for the CFMEU.

  425. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:11 am

    “That would be reasonable.”

    Reasonable has nothing to do with it. The whole point of this exercise is to terminate the public examination of thuggery and corruption in a powerful cabal eating at the heart of our democracy.

    At least this provides the opportunity for Tom R to demonstrate how much he enjoys fellating Satan then spitting his stinking jizz at the rest of us in the form of shitty apologetics for the CFMEU crime gang.

  426. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:11 am

    Sorry I thought the machine at the first one.

  427. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:13 am

    pfft, greedy employer activists, they just keep pushing and pushing for unregulated wages until they can pay a person whatever they’ll take, the more desperate the better.

    Well the Chef said because the business has to pay double time on Sundays he cannot open. That means students cannot get some casual employment and the business cannot open. Everybody loses.

  428. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:18 am

    Chris Merritt summarises in the Oz:

    Until yesterday, the Heydon defence rested on the argument that he withdrew last week as soon as he became aware the address was a party event.

    Anyone else who read those emails would have withdrawn more than a year ago. Here’s what Heydon overlooked:

    On April 10 last year, two months after his appointment as royal commissioner, he received an email from Burton stating he led a group of lawyers that was “formally a branch of the Party”.

    The next day, April 11, Heydon replied: “Yes, I can deliver the Barwick address in August 2015.” That email shows Heydon had given Burton an earlier “indication” he would deliver the 2015 Barwick address “if the commission has completed”.

    That qualification raises an important point. The words “if the commission has completed” could be a reference to Heydon’s busy schedule. But they might also indicate that in April last year Heydon believed his role at the commission meant it would be inappropriate for him to deliver the Barwick address.

    If Heydon did not know about the party’s involvement after April 10 last year, he might have noticed something when he received the official invitation on June 12 this year. It is emblazoned with the Liberal Party’s logo.

    The email containing that invitation had the subject line: “FW: Liberal Party of Australia (NSW Division) — Lawyers’ Branch and Legal Policy Branch.” The invitation says tickets were $80 and “ … individual donors need to be on the electoral roll to make a political donation, including purchasing tickets to fundraising events”

    Heydon should resign.

  429. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:29 am

    This is about a powerful well-entrenched and utterly corrupt cabal making sure it is not accountable for its corrupt thuggery.

    Yes, but now that cabal has been exposed for the closeted backscratchers they are, and now the Unions can get back to protecting workers rights.

    fellating Satan then spitting his stinking jizz at the rest of us

    Have you been listening in on some of toilets Spotify streams?

    fyi, there’s a new post that is a post 😉

  430. August 18, 2015 6:16 pm

    “Well the Chef said because the business has to pay double time on Sundays he cannot open. That means students cannot get some casual employment and the business cannot open. Everybody loses.”

    ergo, Kneel is a useful idiot, propagating ideological memes

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:43 pm

    I see we’re attracting shite comments too … is that a good sign … or is it just ToM playing silly buggers …

  432. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:58 pm

    ergo, Kneel is a useful idiot, propagating ideological memes

    It is a topic worth talking about. I am sure there are lots of students who would like some casual work on Sundays and would be willing to work at standard rates. Paying double time means the restaurant does not open and everybody loses.

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