Tony Abbott “Proud” of Govt that’s heading towards Election Annihilation!

I think you mean “who’s”…

Bill Shorten’s letter to Tony Abbott on women’s support services

http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/bill-shorten-s-letter-to-tony-abbott-on-women-s-support-services/201508246185#.Vdu9TZeNGqG

They unnerstand yabots currently making lifestyle choices and trying to garner praise for changes his mob fought tooth and nail against, but maybe one day he’ll get around to addressing it? Back when he made big speeches that came to noting with Rosie Batty may have been a good time?

And I don’t recall the Chinese Treasurer telling their industries to “Fuck Off”?

Shorten and Abbott need each other as they each represent the other’s last best hope of winning.

Keep telling yourself that sb 😉

Not that I can see the libs going there, but turnbull has shown he’s a total flop. The NoBN is falling apart at the seams

As one financial columnist notes, it’s “questionable whether NBN Co is capable of borrowing up to A$26.5 billion (US$19.2 billion) in its own right to fund a project that offers such a skinny return.”

http://www.lightreading.com/gigabit/fttx/australias-nbn-cost-blowout-/d/d-id/717790

This was also onteresting in hte context of “blame shifting”, which seems to be turnbulls default setting

Not only are the FTTN and HFC technologies still not yet ready, but many of the extra costs are in fact a result of the shift to those different systems.

And, as someone over at Whirlpool pointed out, add in an additional $5-$15 billion for nbn co to clean out the asbestos from the pits, Previously this had been lumped onto Telstra, so, even with the scary stories we used to get, Telstra was still responsible. Under the new agreement, now NoBN is. Nice work turnbull.

ao from the previous thread

I think that’s an important point actually, we are being told how the jobs future is going to change and to get ready for the digital revolution. How revolutionary can we be if we’re already behind before we even start?

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/18/this-is-a-post/#comment-113706

Have you been reading the Labor Herald ao? 😉

When electricity was rolled out to homes across Australia, almost 100 years ago, no one imagined it would be used for things like television, air conditioning or computers. Its purpose was to light the house. Very quickly it prompted the invention of things like electric kettles, electric heaters, vacuum cleaners, washing machines, stoves, fridges and lots more.

Why did this happen? The infrastructure led to innovation and that led to demand for more electricity.

https://www.laborherald.com.au/people-families/the-national-broadband-network-and-outdoor-toilets-they-have-something-in-common/

And to further smack nil around with his drivel about “grubmints shouldn’t do it”

National information infrastructure is as important as water or electricity. In other words a utility. That’s what the National Broadband Network (NBN) is.

The ALP has form trying to foist psychopath leaders on the Australian people going back to Mad Mark Latham.

I don’t disagree. But don’t leave out our current mad hatter. And, rudd may have been an psychotic little backstabbing twerp, but his Government got us through the GFC, and springboarded us into the 21st century.

A Party is more than a Leader, luckily.

lolz

oh oh brandis just pwnd them all

catalaxitty ROFL

http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/08/18/should-triggs-step-down-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1775354

…and regardless of the politics, it is simply a fact that FTTP will always be more expensive.

it’s all those nature strips and footpaths to be dup up around the country.

..and another thing.

I’m not sure that people (or at least me) object to the tweet about Abbott because it is offensive. I object to it because it appears to be a further demonstration of the deliberately provocative and unbalanced orientation of Q&A.

…and saying Thompson “has a case to answer” isn’t being unequivocal about his criminality.

And the simple fact that they really have no idea

Most probably the first honest thing you have said. Fact is nobody has much of an idea what FTTP will cost. Under Labor it was estimated at $2,000 plus/household. Under the Coalition it is estimated FTTP will cost $4,000 plus/household.

Knowing Labors nac for picking the wrong horse FTTP is most probably incapable of being built and would be superseded by wireless in 5 years time.

“Shorten and Abbott need each other as they each represent the other’s last best hope of winning. ”

I dont know with certainty who will the next election.

What I do know is that the first party to change its Leader will win the election

That should be Under the Coalition it is estimated FTTP will cost $4,000 plus/household EXTRA compared to FTTN. And most probably a lot more.

It would be really great if the ALP could finish a project before they brag about how great it is.

….believe it or not

Anything is possible these days

Prattle, prattle … iggorance is bliss … I thought the Liberal Party had done CBA

Dunno. But Labor signed the contracts so tightly that the cost is too great to break so we are stuck with the NBN built by the govt.

GOOD! I know exactly which one I WON”T be voting fo

Well you must be looking forward to start locking up asylum seekers again,

GUFFAW!

You may find it funny but being a Labor supporter you do not care about waste. $50B to build FTTN and $100B to build FTTP. I am sure we could have done something else cheaper.

They’ve doubled the deficit.

Really?? The results for Hockeys first budget will not be published until September ie next month. We will find out then whether the deficit for Hockeys first budget is double what was forecast.

Jason Clare- just another deceitful ALP politician. These people are the masters of deceit and i guess the people who vote for them are the same.

Rupe’s mates!

ROFL. Nice one ao 😉

stupid is as stupid says

These people are the masters of deceit

Yea, how dare he claim that Labor planned for those satellites, against turnbulls ravings, all those years ago, just because they planned for those satellites, against turnbulls ravings, all those years ago 😉

I happened to be talking to the CEO of one of the companies that was awarded a contract to build the NBN a few years ago. He said – “it will never be built, it’s too expensive”

He said – “it will never be built, rupert won’t allow it.

There seems to be one thing in common with deniers, they appear to copy each others mistakes.

A new paper finds common errors among the 3% of climate papers that reject the global warming consensus

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/25/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-to-replicate-climate-contrarian-papers

The poor old lolstralian. Well, at least our grubmint will subsidise them rather than Holden

Tony Abbott has declared the trade union royal commission “must and will go on” even if the sole commissioner, Dyson Heydon, decides to withdraw.
The prime minister’s comments suggest the government is prepared to consider appointing a replacement if Heydon accepts requests from unions to recuse himself on the grounds of apprehended bias.

Good.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/25/tony-abbott-declares-trade-union-inquiry-must-and-will-go-on

Funding was there until 2020.

So, you didn’t see hockey in QT telling them to fuck off?

And now, they are welcoming sub standard products from our competitors.

We had a world class industry that this grubmint told to fuck off, and now they want our building materials to be below par. Will there be a royal commission into the first fatality from that?

No, too busy having witch hunts into Union officials getting better pay and conditions for their workers

I was talking to someone the other day…”

That’s interesting TB. Had they just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars to build it?

Had they just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars to build it?

Are you claiming that you spoke to a contractor who had just signed a deal to build something and he told you it wouldn’t be built?

Sounds a bit suss yomm 😉

From ao’s link above about yabot leaking confidential RC reports

I can advise that the confidential volume reports on threats of violence, and an act of violence, against witnesses called or likely to be called to give evidence before the Royal Commission,” Mr Abbott wrote.

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Does this mean that Shorten has had threats made against him?

The naked political use of this RC is reason enough for it not to go ahead. If they were so concerned about the truth, they wouldn’t be using it politically as they have done, or they wouldn’t have trawled the embers of a 22 year old case already trawled and investigated by authorities for the past two decades already.

“too”

Mobile devices and auto correction can be annoying

Mobile devices and auto correction can be annoying

Not as annoying as pedants 😉

I can’t recall, but I think so much of the cost was in the big egalitarian approach – everyone had to get the high speed internet!

The plan was too ambitious.

The same CEO said a sensible government approach would have been to provide it to services such as public hospitals, libraries and education. Then let the private sector do the rest.

Seems Shortens doing an Obama.

But you said it was funded until 2020???

Yes it was. However after Ford left it made it more difficult and the economics had changed. Holden went and asked for double the amount promised till 2020. Hockey said no. What was promised till 2020 was all you were going to get.

Actually, what he said was, you might not get even that, why not fuck off?

link?

He then had to re0instate this money you said they didn’t take away? How does that work again?

Really?? Money was promised until 2020. To take away this money would take an act of Parliament. AFTER Holden announced they were leaving there was some talk about cutting funding but they did not do this. Anyway they did not have the numbers in the Senate to cut funding even if the Coalition wanted to. There was also some talk for transfering the money promised from 2017-2020 to before 2017 but this did not happen.

Please give me a link to this money they reinstated after taking it away? It would take an act of Parliament to do this and they did not have the numbers n the Senate.

So as a deliberate policy they are determined to abandon the previous government’s deal to save the motor industry at least until 2022.

Proof? Actually the proof is they didn’t. And i do not believe what the journalist says.

There was some talk AFTER Holden announced they were leaving to cut funding at 2015 to save some money. But they never went through with it. And even if they wanted to cut funding it needed an at of parliament and they didn’t have the numbers.

There were no funding cuts. Funding was there until 2020 and Holden knew it. Holden left because nobody wanted to buy the crap they made.

And i do not believe what the journalist says.

Or what hockey says? ROFL

The Government had decided to cut the $400 million co-investment payments to $200 million a year, with no guarantee of public assistance in the longer term. For the carmakers, who like all manufacturers have struggled to compete with overseas rivals because Australia’s overvalued dollar makes domestic products too expensive, the Government’s refusal of support was a death sentence.

http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=38636#.Vd02qpeNGqF

The prime minister acknowledged the car manufacturing sector was suffering because of the high Australian dollar.

“It is entirely wrong for Mr Abbott and the opposition he leads to be anti the jobs of car workers and to be determined to rip money out of industry co-investment with the car industry,” she said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/talks-over-holden-second-shift/story-e6frea83-1226259558573

Prophetic words indeed.

I’m not saying that all Union leaders are angels, in fact, some are probably down right criminal.”…and given that there are less than 50 unions, they must have about the highest rate of criminality of any occupation, particularly the CFMEU (Construction Div)

She accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of not supporting the industry and criticised his plans for a $500 million cut to the $3.4 billion automotive transformation scheme,

OK lets assume you are right. That still leaves $3.4B- $0.5B = $2.9B

But it never happened. Cuts require an act of Parliament and the Coalition does not have the numbers to pass the Senate.

hehehe

Gold

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/warragamba-dam-spilling-as-flood-threat-downgraded-20150826-gj8nz5.html

Water has started spilling over the Warragamba Dam wall for the first time since 2013, but the flood threat for low-lying areas along the Nepean and Hawkesbury rivers has been revised downwards.

The dam started spilling about 7.30am on Thursday, within the one-hour window that had been forecast by the Bureau of Meteorology.

And Tim Flannery said because of global warming our dams would never fill. Because of the false beliefs of the global warmers we built a zillion dollar desal plant which has never been used.

The only occasion politicians think we should have a plebiscite is in deciding critical issues such as the song that’s going to be played at a football final.

That’s the orientation Gillard represents.

And Tim Flannery said because of global warming our dams would never fill.

Holy fuck you are blindingly stupid and ignorant all in one

ROFL nil you ignorant/duplicitous moron. a 6 sec “cherry pick” from bolt. How STUPID are you?

https://theguttertrash.com/2014/12/03/its-been-another-stellar-week-for-the-newly-reset-abbott-govt/#comment-86371

If you are going to Gish Gallop, don’t do it so stupidly.

Did you read the link to Labor Herald yomm?

Do you agree that rolling plebiscites will just see a bigger barrage of vested interests corrupting our already corruptible media?

Besides, the large percent of the population complain enough when they have to vote for elections. imagine plebiscites for every issue yomm and his mates want them for?

We would get voter fatigue very quickly.

We pay pollies to do these things, if you don’t like it, vote them out. If they vote against your wish, harden up! If they are voted in, and still can’t get your precious worker kicking reforms in, then I would guess we have the real indication of just how popular those reforms are.

So we’re to base our decisions about more democratic participation on an article in an ALP rag?

Of course. That’s the approach you’d advocate.

Politicians have proved incapable. They are too influenced or controlled by narrow interests.

Politicians have proved incapable.

Yea, cos our countries such a mess lol

Looks like the call that tipped Heyson off has been exposed.

At 5.30pm on August 12, a staff member at the NSW Bar Assoc­iation took a call from Marcus Priest, lawyer, journalist and a former senior adviser to oppos­ition legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dyson-heydon-call-that-stirred-up-a-judicial-hornets-nest/story-fn59niix-1227500405479

He called it off because he was busted.

Yea, cos our countries such a mess lol

Well, if you think it is beyond improvement (to reduce the influence of marginal and vested interests), you’re a dill.

You’re becoming increasingly grumpy and presumptive TB.

Do you have your walk shorts on backwards?

Does Tony Abbott still have British Citizenship?

He’s too busy using a hammer (what chippie in his right mind uses a hammer these days?) to bother answering pesky little questions that mean nothing, except his legitimacy to Govern us all.

Maybe that can be a plebiscite question? 🙂

Good for you. I can just see every backyard in Sydney with one/two/three

Well if you put them in when a new home is being built you can put them in the ground under the house. This would be difficult to do with an established home however. I guess you could put it in the roof.

I have relatives who built a new home and the rainwater tank is under the house and uses a small electric motor to get the water up to the taps.

… playing the man …”

Heavens TB!! That seems to be your singular contribution at the moment.

If Bill Shorten is serious about reforming industrial relations in the construction industry, then he could start by supporting the government’s bill to re-establish the Australian Building and Construction Commission

Yea, if Shorten wants to negotiate with us, agree with us!! What a dick

Like anybody but far right looneys want the likes of the ABCC back. It’s bad enough the Unions and workers have to deal with bikie infested corporations, without goose stepping zealouts intimidating them as well

‘Dragged through hell’: Tribe found not guilty

http://www.theage.com.au/national/dragged-through-hell-tribe-found-not-guilty-20101124-186ah.html

You couldn’t make this shit up. Looks like the turc, heydon ,dyson and the hun are all heading for electoral oblivion along with yabot and his version of the libs.

• heyson told us he “remembered” the fundraiser at the last minute
• turns out council assisting stoljar actually tipped him off
• turns out after not initially revealing all relevant information, they belatedly STILL didn’t release all relevant information, information that drops council assisting stoljar right in the middle of it
• now we have to wait until Monday to find out just how far this lot will dig in
•then we have the hun, making up stories, with union member “eye witnesses” accounts and all (remember that the next time we see union member “eye witnesses” accounts ) about a Victorian raid on the CFMEU that never was.
• And to top it all off, yabot agrees with marn that this is set up to “clean up the ALP” 😯

Yea, this turc must be uncovering so much illegal activity that they need liberal sympathisers to prosecute and judge, liberal media arms to make up stories about it, and moronic liberal leaders to remove any remaining doubt (should anybody be that partisanly blind … nil) that this has been a stitch up from the get go.

Dyson Heydon has deferred to Monday his decision on whether to resign from the royal commission into trade unions, following claims from the ACTU he may have misled the public on why he withdrew from a Liberal Party fundraiser.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dyson-heydon-misled-us-on-decision-to-quit-liberal-party-fundraiser-says-actu-20150827-gj98y6.html#ixzz3k3H5xpQV
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lol, planetjanet is in fevered overdrive. Seems this is all Labor fault (who’d have thought hey 😉 )

Is this a political stitch-up that will blow back on Labor and the unions?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/dyson-heydon-ultimately-the-voters-will-judge-labor-lynch-mob/story-e6frg7bo-1227501812148?sv=5031dda4dfc24b90ba16fcefb4b42c63

Yea, cos I guess the union bovver boys made him get invited to a lib fundraiser while he was presiding over their witch hunt. And then made him keep said appointment, until they started their pesky snooping

Voters are entitled to ask: did Priest dig for dirt on behalf of Labor and its union paymasters?

I’m pretty sure he did. Or, another way of wording it could be, did someone poke into dirty liberal laundry baskets, and find their shit sticks

The unions staged their own chorus of confected indignation.

When it comes to “confected”, planet is the place to go I guess 😆

The entire lolstralian is in Union Outrage today. After their stablemates admission yesterday that they made up an entire story, replete with “witness statements” and all, I’m convinced this shit sheet won’t even get my fire going. It has lost all intrinsic value now.

Some idiots still think it is “interesting reading” ROFL

ffs, at least Harry Potter was believable (comparatively)

…and good to see my personal troll/sock puppet on the job!!

(It’s important to my self esteem)

I also see the lolstralina has comment from hawkie. Let’s see how much they have misrpepresented him today. Probably not as much as the hun misrepresented those union member “eye witnesses” accounts that weren’t

“Former Labor Prime Minister and ACTU President Bob Hawke backs the China deal, saying it is in Australia’s national interest. Former Labor foreign ministers Bob Carr and Gareth Evans have also urged the Opposition to back down…………”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/08/28/abbott-sees-china-fta-sabotage_n_8051930.html

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/28/bob-hawke-joins-campaign-china-deal

“Former Labor Prime Minister and ACTU President Bob Hawke backs the China deal, ”

The ALP’s opposition is continuing evidence of the unsavoury & unsatisfactory control militant unions exercise over the party and its leadership.

That’s a lame effort. Please lift your game.

Bob Hawke warns ALP and unions on China FTA

The Australian .. August 28, 2015 12:00AM .. #FULL

Bob Hawke has a close affinity with Chinese political, business and cultural leaders, and has travelled to China 101 times over the past four decades.

Bob Hawke has issued a stern warning to the Labor Party and the trade union movement not to ­oppose the China-Australia Free-Trade Agreement, arguing it is in the national interest that it be adopted.

”I am all in favour of it,” Mr Hawke told The Australian. ”The party must not go backwards on this issue .. the party and the trade union movement. Talk of opposing it is just absolutely against Australia`s best interests.”

Mr Hawke, a former Labor prime minister and ACTU president, is at odds with the party, which has refused to support the agreement without substantial changes.

The ACTU is mounting a ­ferocious campaign against the trade deal and has called for it to be dumped. Bill Shorten has ­described it as ”a mess” and a ”bad agreement”.

Writing in The Australian last month, the Opposition Leader vowed to ”improve the outcomes for Australian workers” by seeking to amend the enabling legislation. Labor says it supports a free-trade deal with China, but not as it ­currently stands.

The Coalition has lashed opposition to the deal, accusing unions of sponsoring a ”xenophobic” campaign and Labor of reviving ”the ghosts of the White Australia policy”.

Trade Minister Andrew Robb said Australia`s business and political relationship with China could be damaged if the agreement was derailed by the union campaign.

He will arrive in Beijing today after meetings in Hong Kong and Shanghai, where he said businesses were worried the deal was now in jeopardy.

The trade deal is due to come into effect later this year after it was signed by Tony Abbott and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Canberra late last year.

A television advertising campaign funded by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union argues that ”the China free- trade deal will shut out locals from jobs”. It says Chinese workers will not be paid Australian wages or need to demonstrate the same training and skill levels as other foreign visa applicants.

Industry groups are poised to hit back with a counter advertising campaign across TV, radio, print and social media platforms.

The Minerals Council of Australia, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the National Farmers Federation are backing the campaign which will promote the economic gains of the agreement.

It will also emphasise the ­importance of finalising the deal this year and securing two rounds of tariff reductions in quick succession. The ACTU, however, is urging MPs to vote against the ­enabling legislation for the trade deal.

An open letter to Tony Abbott from ACTU president Ged Kearney and secretary Dave Oliver, published today, argues that the deal would ”exploit” overseas workers and ”deny job opportunities” to Australians.

Mr Robb said he believed the Chinese government would be hesitant to accept amendments to the agreement after nearly nine years of negotiations.

”It would be very damaging to our relationship with China if the deal was stopped,” he told The Australian. ”They would not trust us again. We have signed a treaty and you can`t change that.”

Mr Hawke said clauses regarding foreign workers should be scrutinised but should not be used as a basis to scuttle the agreement.

Australian growth and jobs were ”dependent” upon inter­national trade and no trade partner was more important than China. ”We (should) make it clear that we will be watching to see that the clauses in the agreement which cover the circumstances in which foreign workers can come (to Australia) is properly applied, as I am sure it would be.”

The government says contrary to union claims, there will not be unrestricted access to the labour market for Chinese workers and local employment laws and conditions will not be undermined. Chinese companies will have to pay Australian wages and abide by the same conditions of employment.

Departmental guidelines for the trade deal say that a project ­labour agreement will be entered into only where Australians have been offered the ”first opportunity” for jobs.

Opposition trade spokes-woman Penny Wong refused to say whether Labor would back the agreement in parliament. ”We`re up for an agreement with China, but it has to be an agreement which delivers jobs,” she told Sky News.

Mr Robb said ”major” investors and businesses he had met over the past few days were now confused, given Labor supported the deal when it was signed by Mr Xi last year.

”They saw both sides of politics welcoming the deal when President Xi was down to sign it and they are in the middle of significant deals because the FTA is due to come into place,” he said.

Mr Hawke, who proposed the APEC trade forum in 1989, stressed agreements that lowered trade barriers were good for jobs, growth and economic prosperity. It was nonsense for Labor and the unions to be arguing against freer trade. ”Of course it is in Australia`s interests .. you just have to look at our history,” he said. ”Our growth is .. we are .. dependent upon international trade and growth. Gradual reduction in trade barriers .. was an important part of my reform initiatives (in government).”

The China, Japan and South Korea free-trade agreements are worth a combined $24.4 billion to Australia and will create nearly 8000 new jobs.

Mr Hawke has a close affinity with China, having travelled to the country 101 times over the past four decades. ”I obviously do commercial work .. I advise Chinese companies and Australian companies,” he said.

Hey team-cheerer,

Mr Hawke has a close affinity with China, having travelled to the country 101 times over the past four decades. ”I obviously do commercial work .. I advise Chinese companies and Australian companies,” he said.

#doesn`t exactly make me think old Hawky is speaking on behalf of working-plebs at the bottom, but self-serving interest of self-enrichment, and if so, he should also stop bludging on taxpayer provided perks

#smells like teabag-lite