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Tony Abbott “Proud” of Govt that’s heading towards Election Annihilation!

August 25, 2015
You know all those MPs you see behind Tony Abbott in Parliament? All but one would lose their seat if an election were held today.

You know all those MPs you see behind Tony Abbott in Parliament? All but one would lose their seat if an election were held today.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s approval rating has surged ahead by 5 points to 34 per cent on account of the fact that he’s not Tony Abbott.

The poll coincides with Tony Abbott declaring that he’s “proud” to be the Prime Minister of an LNP led Government that’s had “two outstanding years in office.”

In the past 24 months, the budget deficit has doubled, unemployment has risen to record highs, business confidence has collapsed and the share market is in free fall.

Labor has now been ahead of the Coalition in two-party preferred terms in more than 150 consecutive published opinion polls. This latest Newspoll is the 29th consecutive survey that has put Labor in front of the Abbott government.

On the crucial election-deciding two party preferred basis, Labor remains the voters’ favourite at 54 per cent to the LNP at 46 per cent.

The poll has also delivered the PM with his lowest personal approval rating since the budget.  In fact Abbott’s disapproval rating is now double his approval rating.

Taking an average of recent polls, the -7.09 per cent swing against the Government would see Tony Abbott’s regime lose 32 seats at the next election.  Some might consider this a massacre. Tony Abbott believes it is an indication of “good government.”

Come to jesus.

The Libs are facing a 10.1 per cent primary vote swing against them in the forthcoming bye election in Canning.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:48 am

    In the past 24 months, the budget deficit has doubled, unemployment has risen to record highs, business confidence has collapsed and the share market is in free fall.

    And yet we used to have daily headlines of “chaos” and “waste”. Where did they all go?

    My question is, whose the numpty still voting for that one guy?

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:01 am

    I think you mean “who’s”…

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:10 am

    The sad thing is, that will probably be yomms most pertinent post on this thread.

    It has already eclipsed anything from the previous 😉

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:16 am

    Bill Shorten’s letter to Tony Abbott on women’s support services

    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/bill-shorten-s-letter-to-tony-abbott-on-women-s-support-services/201508246185#.Vdu9TZeNGqG

    They unnerstand yabots currently making lifestyle choices and trying to garner praise for changes his mob fought tooth and nail against, but maybe one day he’ll get around to addressing it? Back when he made big speeches that came to noting with Rosie Batty may have been a good time?

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:17 am

    “Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s approval rating has surged ahead by 5 points to 34 per cent on account of the fact that he’s not Tony Abbott.”

    Shorten and Abbott need each other as they each represent the other’s last best hope of winning. I hope Abbott stays the course. I felt cheated by the ALP when the axed Gillard, depriving the voters of the opportunity of voting her out. Instead the ALP cynically installed Rudd notwithstanding that they had already told us that he was a dysfunctional psychopath.

    At least if the Libs change leader they will not be as overtly duplicitous as was the ALP. That is on the basis that Julie Bishop would be the replacement. We know Turncoat shares Rudd’s egotism and sense of destiny but the Libs will not install him as leader.

  6. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:17 am

    And I don’t recall the Chinese Treasurer telling their industries to “Fuck Off”?

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:17 am

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:20 am

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:25 am

    More tax cuts? Is hockey mad?

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:26 am

  11. August 25, 2015 11:35 am

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  12. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:45 am

    Shorten and Abbott need each other as they each represent the other’s last best hope of winning.

    Keep telling yourself that sb 😉

    Not that I can see the libs going there, but turnbull has shown he’s a total flop. The NoBN is falling apart at the seams

    As one financial columnist notes, it’s “questionable whether NBN Co is capable of borrowing up to A$26.5 billion (US$19.2 billion) in its own right to fund a project that offers such a skinny return.”

    http://www.lightreading.com/gigabit/fttx/australias-nbn-cost-blowout-/d/d-id/717790

    This was also onteresting in hte context of “blame shifting”, which seems to be turnbulls default setting

    Not only are the FTTN and HFC technologies still not yet ready, but many of the extra costs are in fact a result of the shift to those different systems.

    And, as someone over at Whirlpool pointed out, add in an additional $5-$15 billion for nbn co to clean out the asbestos from the pits, Previously this had been lumped onto Telstra, so, even with the scary stories we used to get, Telstra was still responsible. Under the new agreement, now NoBN is. Nice work turnbull.

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:00 pm

    reb, August 25, 2015 11:35 am

    yeah reb, I linked to that the other day, no-one was interested though. Also linked to another article yesterday [re-link below] but it seems that AS inhumanity is a no-care zone, out of sight and out of mind, people only care if they arrive here, not what happens to them afterward
    And sssh, whatever you do, don’t mention the crap economy!

    The Nauru inquiry may well be Australia’s Abu Ghraib moment
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/the-nauru-inquiry-may-well-be-australias-abu-ghraib-moment

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:01 pm

    ao from the previous thread

    I think that’s an important point actually, we are being told how the jobs future is going to change and to get ready for the digital revolution. How revolutionary can we be if we’re already behind before we even start?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/18/this-is-a-post/#comment-113706

    Have you been reading the Labor Herald ao? 😉

    When electricity was rolled out to homes across Australia, almost 100 years ago, no one imagined it would be used for things like television, air conditioning or computers. Its purpose was to light the house. Very quickly it prompted the invention of things like electric kettles, electric heaters, vacuum cleaners, washing machines, stoves, fridges and lots more.

    Why did this happen? The infrastructure led to innovation and that led to demand for more electricity.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/people-families/the-national-broadband-network-and-outdoor-toilets-they-have-something-in-common/

    And to further smack nil around with his drivel about “grubmints shouldn’t do it”

    National information infrastructure is as important as water or electricity. In other words a utility. That’s what the National Broadband Network (NBN) is.

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:02 pm

    “Keep telling yourself that sb 😉 “

    Tis true, Tom R. Shorten may be the best of a bad bunch. The ALP has form trying to foist psychopath leaders on the Australian people going back to Mad Mark Latham.

    Abbott deserves to lose and hopefully will. Same as last time – the ALP deserved to go down but the electoral system offered up Abbott as the only real alternative. This time the alternative on offer is not be much better than the reject. The union bosses will be back with one of their own in charge, having stabbed his way to the top in true Unionland fashion.

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:05 pm

    huge headlines, held without charge and in isolation for 23 hrs/day. This is the kid that was supposedly plotting to be-head someone. Now quietly, charges dropped.

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:05 pm

    The ALP has form trying to foist psychopath leaders on the Australian people going back to Mad Mark Latham

    Not to mention Doc Evatt.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:13 pm

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:15 pm

    As one financial columnist notes, it’s “questionable whether NBN Co is capable of borrowing up to A$26.5 billion (US$19.2 billion) in its own right to fund a project that offers such a skinny return.”

    And that is with the cheaper version (FTTN). FTTP is double the cost at least and most probably much more.

    Why does the ALP force such disasters on us and then people want to vote them back into power.

  20. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:47 pm

    The ALP has form trying to foist psychopath leaders on the Australian people going back to Mad Mark Latham.

    I don’t disagree. But don’t leave out our current mad hatter. And, rudd may have been an psychotic little backstabbing twerp, but his Government got us through the GFC, and springboarded us into the 21st century.

    A Party is more than a Leader, luckily.

  21. August 25, 2015 12:49 pm

    “”Why does the ALP force such disasters on us and then people want to vote them back into power.””

    Hint:

    “”Hockey’s tax speech was truly awful””

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/8/25/tax/hockeys-tax-speech-was-truly-awful?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=BusinessSpectator&utm_medium=Twitter

  22. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:53 pm

    lolz

  23. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 12:55 pm

    Hockey’s tax speech was truly awful

    Luckily, turnbull provided cover by doing even worst 😉

  24. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 1:02 pm

    oh oh brandis just pwnd them all

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 1:24 pm

    and springboarded us into the 21st century.

    What with? The NBN? In case you have forgotten Labors NBN which they took to the 2007 was supposed to be finished in 5 years and cost only $4.7B. The FTTP plan was most probably impossible to complete and cost over $100B. The current FTTN version is cheaper but will not be finished for years. I agree with these comments from Catallaxy on the NBN

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/08/24/the-consequences-of-wasted-government-spending-are-everywhere/#comments

    1. And yet there will likely still be Laborites running around claiming that the original rolled gold NBN could have been done for $40bn.

    2. BTW, why wasn’t all work on this ridiculous labor brainfart shut down after the last election? The NBN has the potential to be the most obscene example of governmental obstinacy, stupidity and overreach in this country’s history. Utterly inexcusable.

    3. The thing to take heart from all this is: the Gillard government legacy of NBN, NDIS, Gonski etc is never, ever going to be implemented. It’s dead, caput, over. Australia will have $50 billion deficits as far as the eye can see, and all these stupid Labor boondoggles will never be funded or finished,

    4. Given that the NBN has only passed 1.2 million homes, I think it is very unlikely they’ll do 8 million by 2020.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:14 pm

    I’m not sure why you’d wish to deliberately set yourself up for another fall on this site Tom R. It looks like you copped a (well deserved) fair hiding over at callaxy files too.

    Why you’d seek the same debate again is odd, particularly as –
    • You said a few days ago that Jackson had been convicted.
    • Then you had to correct the untruth.
    • Then you posted another comment today that again said the same thing!

    I’ll put it down to you being a slow learner and forgetful.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:17 pm

    …and regardless of the politics, it is simply a fact that FTTP will always be more expensive.

    it’s all those nature strips and footpaths to be dup up around the country.

  28. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:29 pm

    • Then you posted another comment today that again said the same thing!

    Actually, it was a tweet, it wasn’t my comment.

    I note you haven’t apologized to wixxy or Thomson yet

    #justsayin 😉

    …and regardless of the politics, it is simply a fact that FTTP will always be more expensive.

    Unless of course you re-finance with telstra, giving them millions more and, in the process, leave yourself open for remediating the pits for asbestos etc along the way 😉

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:29 pm

    ..and another thing.

    I’m not sure that people (or at least me) object to the tweet about Abbott because it is offensive. I object to it because it appears to be a further demonstration of the deliberately provocative and unbalanced orientation of Q&A.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:31 pm

    Wicks is a f**wit who has a proven record of bullsh*ting

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:32 pm

    …and saying Thompson “has a case to answer” isn’t being unequivocal about his criminality.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 2:45 pm

    Unless of course you re-finance with telstra, giving them millions more and, in the process, leave yourself open for remediating the pits for asbestos etc along the way 😉

    Not sure what you are trying to say but the latest figures say that FTTP will cost approx $4,000/household more than FTTN. With 9 million homes in Australia that is a lot of money for not much extra benefit.

    But knowing the nac Labor has for backing the wrong horse in 5 years times a new wireless network will be invented making the NBN obsolete.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:05 pm

    The way the Liberal Party and its supporters would like to see Australia … soon …

    Jess, a student at Rutgers University in the city of New Brunswick, New Jersey, admitted that the table did have to wait one hour for their order, as was also written on the bill.

    “Even though they did wait an hour to eat, they remained satisfied with filled drinks and proper notice that the kitchen was a bit busier than normal,” Jess wrote.

    Despite her attention, she got the LOL tip.

    “I would like to make a statement on behalf of wait staff everywhere: We make $2.50 an hour. Most of my paychecks are less than pocket change because I have to pay taxes on the tips I make. I need tips to pay my bills. All waiters do. We spend an hour or more of our time befriending you, making you laugh, getting to know you, and making your dining experience the best it can be. We work hard, and we really do care.

    “My experience with this table was cruel and unnecessary but sadly it’s not uncommon.”

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/waitress-jessica-jones-left-a-lol-as-a-tip-by-diners-at-a-restaurant/story-fn93ypt9-1227498147061

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:08 pm

    but the latest figures say ROFL whatever turnbull wants them to say. And the simple fact that they really have no idea What it will cost to do their piece meal rollout, because they have no idea just how much copper they will be replacing.

    …and saying Thompson “has a case to answer” isn’t being unequivocal about his criminality.

    No, but you were unequivical about ” 200 findings” that were made against him, but turned to dust. 😉

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:15 pm

    And the simple fact that they really have no idea

    Most probably the first honest thing you have said. Fact is nobody has much of an idea what FTTP will cost. Under Labor it was estimated at $2,000 plus/household. Under the Coalition it is estimated FTTP will cost $4,000 plus/household.

    Knowing Labors nac for picking the wrong horse FTTP is most probably incapable of being built and would be superseded by wireless in 5 years time.

  36. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:17 pm

    I would like to make a statement on behalf of wait staff everywhere:

    Well, not in Australia …. yet (as you say)

  37. Walrus permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:20 pm

    “Shorten and Abbott need each other as they each represent the other’s last best hope of winning. ”

    I dont know with certainty who will the next election.

    What I do know is that the first party to change its Leader will win the election

  38. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:22 pm

    Fact is nobody has much of an idea what FTTP will cost.

    They have a better idea of that, because they know they are using new all the time. The libs, just guess work. Is the copper any good? They have no idea

    and would be superseded by wireless in 5 years time.

    Wow, careful, you’ll outdo yomm for the dumbest comments on this site nil. Perhaps do a little back grounding in simple Physics before making stupid statements

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:22 pm

    That should be Under the Coalition it is estimated FTTP will cost $4,000 plus/household EXTRA compared to FTTN. And most probably a lot more.

    It would be really great if the ALP could finish a project before they brag about how great it is.

  40. Walrus permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:22 pm

    “And, rudd may have been an psychotic little backstabbing twerp,”………….who apparently is about to host his own TV show…………………….believe it or not

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:24 pm

    You know all those MPs you see behind Tony Abbott in Parliament? All but one would lose their seat if an election were held today.

    GOOD! I know exactly which one I WON”T be voting for … and he’s sitting up there right now!

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:30 pm

    Well this tells a story … LOL! Please explain … chortle!

    PERHAPS it is his ability to stop the boats that has Scott Morrison floating Pauline Hanson’s boat.

    WHATEVER it is, the senior Liberal found himself the object of the One Nation founder’s political affections after receiving her tick of approval as a potential prime minister.
    Ms Hanson was asked on the Seven Network on Tuesday for her opinion on the latest polling results showing Tony Abbott’s unpopularity with voters.
    After dismissing Mr Abbott (he “doesn’t come across well”) and Malcolm Turnbull (“I have no trust or time for him”), she went for the social services minister.
    “Scott Morrison is my pick,” Ms Hanson told the Sunrise program.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/morrison-gets-pauline-hansons-pm-approval/story-e6frfku9-1227498256463

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:30 pm

    ….believe it or not

    Anything is possible these days

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:36 pm

    And it continues …

    A CALIFORNIA-BASED Catholic priest has been sentenced to six months in prison followed by six months of home confinement for groping a sleeping woman seated next to him on an airliner.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/california-priest-gets-prison-in-sex-case/story-e6frfkui-1227498209612

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fact is nobody has much of an idea what FTTP will cost. Under Labor it was estimated at $2,000 plus/household. Under the Coalition it is estimated FTTP will cost $4,000 plus/household.

    Prattle, prattle … iggorance is bliss … I thought the Liberal Party had done CBA … or was that just more Turnbull BS?

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:13 pm

    Joe Ockers latest brainfart … GST on medical treatments and supplies …

    Oi! Ocker …

    Negative Gearing
    Trust Funds
    Pollies Perqs
    Superannuation Concessions for the rich
    Multinationals Tax

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:24 pm

    This from NEWS.COMN.AU … even Rupert’s lot are getting pissed off … for the same reasons I wrote about yesterday …

    We’re sick and tired of being let down, and the least the NBN and Malcolm Turnbull could do is tell us why it’s happening, instead of trying to cover it up and blame past governments

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/how-the-government-has-let-us-down-with-the-nbn/story-fnjwncel-1227498257089

    Not only have the Abbott Government destroyed, under Turnbull, what was working and had huge potential … but continue to blame the previous government for their stuff ups!

    Hypocrites … and bloody poor economic managers …

    Build something that’s cheap to prove a political point and that’s what you get …

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:27 pm

    Prattle, prattle … iggorance is bliss … I thought the Liberal Party had done CBA

    Dunno. But Labor signed the contracts so tightly that the cost is too great to break so we are stuck with the NBN built by the govt.

    GOOD! I know exactly which one I WON”T be voting fo

    Well you must be looking forward to start locking up asylum seekers again,

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:33 pm

    Not only have the Abbott Government destroyed, under Turnbull, what was working and had huge potential … but continue to blame the previous government for their stuff ups!

    The first comment in the article got it spot on

    John from Yatala of Yatala Posted at 4:13 PM Today

    Who was it that started the NBN disaster? Yes you guessed it, Labor. They created the biggest and most expensive mess this country has ever seen so please don’t now try and blame the current government. How is it that Teflon coated Labor just keep blindly rolling along when they leave absolute chaos in their wake? Some Australians are dumber than dumb an dumber for keeping these fools on top of the polls.

    Trouble is Labor supporters have no shame and do not care what damage they do.

  49. August 25, 2015 4:37 pm

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  50. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:41 pm

    He-e-e-e-ere comes Wally CPA*!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    John from Yatala of Yatala Posted at 4:13 PM Today

    GUFFAW!

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 5:12 pm

    GUFFAW!

    You may find it funny but being a Labor supporter you do not care about waste. $50B to build FTTN and $100B to build FTTP. I am sure we could have done something else cheaper.

  52. August 25, 2015 5:53 pm

    team-cheerer”””rudd may have been an psychotic little backstabbing twerp, but his Government got us through the GFC, and springboarded us into the 21st century”””

    #so team-cheerer, kevin07 was `psychotic` because he dragged the `team` into govt, (kicking and screaming), when `come-back` kim proved he couldn`t, repeatedly, and jooLiar couldn`t as she never `won` an election, it seems kevin07 worked very hard to drag the rat-packs arse over the line (and it is foolish to pretend otherwise) and to many of us it looks like blib will have his arse dragged over the line by mr-rabbit, not anything the disloyal, ungrateful, voter-trampling rat-pack will do

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 5:57 pm

    Rupe’s mates!

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 6:02 pm

    I am sure we could have done something else cheaper.

    As I said way above your intellectual pay level …

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 6:03 pm

    John from Yatala of Yatala Posted at 4:13 PM Today

    GUFFAW!

    You may find it funny

    Quoting comments? I certainly do …

  56. August 25, 2015 6:04 pm

    team-cheerer”””A Party is more than a Leader, luckily.”””#guffaw

    #recent evidence `shows` they are often much, much Less

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 6:16 pm

    They’ve doubled the deficit.

    Really?? The results for Hockeys first budget will not be published until September ie next month. We will find out then whether the deficit for Hockeys first budget is double what was forecast.

    Jason Clare- just another deceitful ALP politician. These people are the masters of deceit and i guess the people who vote for them are the same.

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 6:55 pm

  59. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 7:05 pm

    Rupe’s mates!

    ROFL. Nice one ao 😉

    stupid is as stupid says

    These people are the masters of deceit

    Yea, how dare he claim that Labor planned for those satellites, against turnbulls ravings, all those years ago, just because they planned for those satellites, against turnbulls ravings, all those years ago 😉

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 7:17 pm

    I was talking about the claim that Hockey has doubled the deficit. The result will be published next month. But nice try at covering up Jason Clares deceit.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 7:18 pm

    I happened to be talking to the CEO of one of the companies that was awarded a contract to build the NBN a few years ago. He said – “it will never be built, it’s too expensive”

  62. August 25, 2015 8:20 pm

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  63. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:16 pm

    He said – “it will never be built, rupert won’t allow it.

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:34 pm

    I just read the ltd news story you linked to at 4:24 TB. These guys must think we live in a friggin gold fish bowl. We’ve all done a lap, and forgot everything murdors minions were spilling down our throat when Labor were unrolling the NBN

    There are still NBN-haters out there, and for the uninformed it’s easy to get angry about what appears to be a multi-billion dollar project just so we can watch Netflix better. But the NBN is infinitely more important than that.

    Their entire spiel back then was that it was a massive WASTE because only gamers and porn would be using it ffs. NOW they see the use?

  65. August 25, 2015 9:50 pm

    boo.of.melb””I happened to be talking to the CEO””he finished early, zipped-up, and didn`t mention the terminal short-sightedness of a government disposing of the telco-network at the `dawn` of the internet-age.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:55 pm

    NOW they see the use?

    The guy sounds like an ALP supporter.

    He said – “it will never be built, it’s too expensive”

    That is a distinct possibility. But with ALP supporters it is the vibe. If it feels good lets do it.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:30 pm

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:36 pm

    Well, I must admit, I am chuffed to see my personal troll/sock puppet back on the job.

    But I have to advise that if you try this boycotting nonsense again, I may have to dismiss you.

  69. August 26, 2015 8:06 am

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  70. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 8:14 am

    So, our warmonger is pushing for us to bomb (but won’t consider humanitarian aid?)

    But senior government sources have told Fairfax Media that the driving force for the formal request received last week from the United States for the RAAF to join the air campaign in Syria came more from Canberra – and in particular the Prime Minister’s office – than from Washington.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-pushed-for-us-request-to-join-syrian-air-strikes-20150825-gj7kfh.html?stb=twt#ixzz3jrqY9lhu
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    Maybe Labor should say they will offer support if humanitarian aid is included.

    Labor is still considering whether to offer bipartisan support.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4300093.htm

  71. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 8:18 am

    There seems to be one thing in common with deniers, they appear to copy each others mistakes.

    A new paper finds common errors among the 3% of climate papers that reject the global warming consensus

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/25/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-to-replicate-climate-contrarian-papers

  72. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 8:30 am

    I may have to dismiss you.

    In the same way that we have all dismissed you? 😉

  73. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 8:33 am

    The poor old lolstralian. Well, at least our grubmint will subsidise them rather than Holden

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:06 am

    Well, at least our grubmint will subsidise them rather than Holden

    Can’t stop telling lies can you. It is people like you which makes me so anti-labor. Funding was there until 2020.

    You know if Ford didn’t leave under Rudd/Gillard they would have had a better chance of staying. But as we know under Labor local sales plummeted to only 10% of the market. The car industry was dead long before Abbott won office.

    Telling lies helps nobody.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:14 am

    Tony Abbott has declared the trade union royal commission “must and will go on” even if the sole commissioner, Dyson Heydon, decides to withdraw.
    The prime minister’s comments suggest the government is prepared to consider appointing a replacement if Heydon accepts requests from unions to recuse himself on the grounds of apprehended bias.

    Good.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/25/tony-abbott-declares-trade-union-inquiry-must-and-will-go-on

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:21 am

    Good.,/i>

    So, yomm supports multi million dollar political witch hunts

    Do you support the legislating of sub standard products on building sites too?

  77. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:25 am

    Funding was there until 2020.

    So, you didn’t see hockey in QT telling them to fuck off?

    And now, they are welcoming sub standard products from our competitors.

    We had a world class industry that this grubmint told to fuck off, and now they want our building materials to be below par. Will there be a royal commission into the first fatality from that?

    No, too busy having witch hunts into Union officials getting better pay and conditions for their workers

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:26 am

    Which hunt?

    So far the RC has heard sworn testimony about a range of illegal and unethical activities by union officials. It is in the public interest to have such behaviour put under the spot light.

    I really don’t understand why you would imagine that hearing sworn evidence of illegality isn’t in the public interest.

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:28 am

    So our ADF will be off to Mexico next week then … lots of mass atrocities there too … FFS … Bob Carr gets more twisted every time I read what he’s said …

    the IS Deash, ISIS, ISIL “incursion” is a religious civil war between Shi’ites and Sunni … just like the catliks and protestants a few centuries ago … leave it to the Moslem nations to sort it out … no-one has invaded Saudi Arabia for public beheadings, stonings, torture and hangings still televised there …

    But former Foreign Minister Bob Carr told ABC that Australia had a “moral obligation” to stop Islamic State.

    Mr Carr cautioned that it would be “hard to operate without a decision of the UN Security Council” but there was also an “obligation for us to act to prevent populations from mass atrocity crimes”.

    “The West has really got a moral obligation to act where it can be argued there’s a chance of saving civilian populations from the mass atrocity crimes that seem to follow very quickly when IS takes control of territory,” Mr Carr said.

    The lies, the lies, the lies! And more big money down the drain … every time we drop a bomb it costs $100s of thousands … straight into the USA War Chest … Dumb and Dumber someone should make a film about it …

    Fairfax Media, quoting senior government sources, reported on Wednesday that the driving force for the formal request for the RAAF to join the US air campaign in Syria actually came from Canberra.

    Treasurer Joe Hockey denied that Australia had asked the United States to make a request for it to join air strikes in Syria.

    “No, the Prime Minister was asked by the President of the US in a formal request,” Mr Hockey told ABC News 24.

    “Now I’m sure they’ve had many discussions about the issue from time to time but the fundamental point is the US made the request to us and we are considering that request.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/did-prime-minister-tony-abbott-push-the-us-for-invitation-to-expand-is-air-strikes-to-syria/story-fncynjr2-1227499026838

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:33 am

    He said – “it will never be built, it’s too expensive”

    I was talking to someone the other day who said, “The NBN will be built … but thanks to the Liberals it’ll be like a mad woman’s shit … al over the place and very difficult to clean up!”

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:36 am

    I was talking to someone the other day…”

    That’s interesting TB. Had they just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars to build it?

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:45 am

    So, you didn’t see hockey in QT telling them to fuck off?

    No i didn’t. I saw Hockey responding to Holden threatening the Australia govt. Give us more money or we will leave proclaimed Holden.

    I did see deceitful Labor supporters like yourself spinning a story which was not true. With only 10% of the market local manufacturing died long before Abbott won office. In fact car manufacturing died under Labor.

    Why didn’t Rudd/Gillard stop Ford from leaving?

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:45 am

    Had they just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars to build it?

    Are you claiming that you spoke to a contractor who had just signed a deal to build something and he told you it wouldn’t be built?

    Sounds a bit suss yomm 😉

    From ao’s link above about yabot leaking confidential RC reports

    I can advise that the confidential volume reports on threats of violence, and an act of violence, against witnesses called or likely to be called to give evidence before the Royal Commission,” Mr Abbott wrote.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-offered-briefing-on-topsecret-royal-commission-report-as-bargaining-chip-for-jacqui-lambies-senate-vote-20150825-gj76o5.html?utm_campaign=echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1440539945#ixzz3jsCpem1b
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    Does this mean that Shorten has had threats made against him?

    The naked political use of this RC is reason enough for it not to go ahead. If they were so concerned about the truth, they wouldn’t be using it politically as they have done, or they wouldn’t have trawled the embers of a 22 year old case already trawled and investigated by authorities for the past two decades already.

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:52 am

    If the government is offering a hundred million to roll out NBN in a few suburbs and towns, construction companies rarely walk away from the opportunity.

    But his personal observation was that it would prove to be roo expensive to complete. I recall passing on this observation quite a while ago.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:54 am

    “too”

    Mobile devices and auto correction can be annoying

  86. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:59 am

    I recall passing on this observation quite a while ago.

    I think you have passed a lot of things yomm

    And yes, you have been against this all along. The fact that your view aligns with murdors is more the worry.

    Of course, infrastructure is not cheap. But, invest in it we mus, else we will become a back water.

    Would you have argued as heavily against sewage systems, as those of your ilk did back in the day?

    Or power lines, or telephone lines?

  87. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 10:00 am

    Mobile devices and auto correction can be annoying

    Not as annoying as pedants 😉

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 10:06 am

    I was talking to someone the other day who said, “The NBN will be built … but thanks to the Liberals it’ll be like a mad woman’s shit … al over the place and very difficult to clean up!”

    Labor supporters cannot tell the difference between truth and falsehood. Or perhaps they do not want to.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 10:07 am

    I can’t recall, but I think so much of the cost was in the big egalitarian approach – everyone had to get the high speed internet!

    The plan was too ambitious.

    The same CEO said a sensible government approach would have been to provide it to services such as public hospitals, libraries and education. Then let the private sector do the rest.

  90. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 10:30 am

    The same CEO said a sensible government approach would have been to provide it to services such as public hospitals, libraries and education. Then let the private sector do the rest.

    Funny, because I recall you arguing the same thing. Are you sure you weren’t talking to a mirror? You seem to have forgotten the point being made at that time that, to get to these establishments, you need to run past houses anyway. And, if you are doing that, it is cheaper (in the long run) to do it all at once. Else, you will have a thousand holes being dug at a thousand different times.

    Nice work if you can get it. 😉

  91. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 10:32 am

    Seems Shortens doing an Obama.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 11:08 am

    you need to run past houses anyway. And, if you are doing that…

    You have to run it past some houses, so you build the spine and the private sector then builds the rest.

    You’d run it along a couple of thousand streets instead of a million.

    …and the reason I passed on the comment is that the CEO was smarter (and had more expertise) than any of us or any of the politicians that are arguing about the subject.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 11:33 am

    That’s interesting TB. Had they just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars to build it?

    Sorry, ToM, that comes under “operational secrecy” I’m afraid … 😉

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 11:36 am

    My last post (chuckle) yesterday …

    Perhaps Dyson Heydon could consult the bible to assist his “quandary” …

    James 2:10 New Testament … For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    Strangely enough I just read that line in a Tom Clancy book!

    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-2-10/

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 11:39 am

    So far the RC has heard sworn testimony about a range of illegal and unethical activities by union officials. It is in the public interest to have such behaviour put under the spot light.

    I agree! ToM!

    So let’s have a RC Into Unethical Business Practices … that’ll keep the courts going fro a few decades …

    And we certainly need a permanent Federal ICAC!

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 11:47 am

    No i didn’t. I saw Hockey responding to Holden threatening the Australia govt. Give us more money or we will leave proclaimed Holden

    But you said it was funded until 2020???

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The same CEO said a sensible government approach would have been to provide it to services such as public hospitals, libraries and education. Then let the private sector do the rest.

    Vote Liberal does he/she?

    So you reckon that private enterprise should provide sewerage systems and dams? Why not a private army, airforce and navy … and why should everyone be catered for who can’y afford a car … privatise buses/trains/hospitals/schools … let everyone have a gun or six … privatise pensions and welfare …

    … and then we can just change the flag …

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 12:03 pm

    But you said it was funded until 2020???

    Yes it was. However after Ford left it made it more difficult and the economics had changed. Holden went and asked for double the amount promised till 2020. Hockey said no. What was promised till 2020 was all you were going to get.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 12:12 pm

    Unlike you TB (apparently) he was interested in getting value for taxpayer money.

    He correctly saw that the NBN would not be built at the projected cost, and thought the obligation of the government should be to provide the basic infrastructure to essential and community services.

    But you seem to have an orientation that the government should “build stuff regardless of the cost”

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2015 12:23 pm

    …But you seem to have an orientation that the government should “build stuff regardless of the cost”…

    At least taxpayers get something for their money, rather than subsidising and flogging off national assets for private profit regardless of the cost to us.

  100. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 12:44 pm

    So far the RC has heard sworn testimony about a range of illegal and unethical activities by union officials

    Is that like the sworn testimony of a certain police chief, who couldn’t back up his claims, or of a certain “GetGillard” hero, and, in that case, just witch(?) sworn testimony do we believe?

    I’m not saying that all Union leaders are angels, in fact, some are probably down right criminal. But, we keep getting told there is a massive problem, but, all we have seen is a few isolated incidents, most of which turn out to be bullshit, and 2 or 3 that warrant police involvement.

    $80 million well spent, What a fucken joke!

    You’d run it along a couple of thousand streets instead of a million.

    Perhaps you need to get back out into the ‘burbs’ a bit to see all those schools nestled amongst the houses yomm.

    What was promised till 2020 was all you were going to get.

    Actually, what he said was, you might not get even that, why not fuck off?

    He then had to re0instate this money you said they didn’t take away? How does that work again?

    He correctly saw that the NBN would not be built at the projected cost

    Well, not under the libs anyway 😉

    ROFL, the guys a genius, a massive infrastructure project runs over cost, and he saw it coming ROFL. He should buy a lotto ticket 🙂

    “build stuff regardless of the cost”

    No, but NBN co’s Corporate Plan showed the figures, that provided a return on investment of around 6-7%

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:01 pm

    Actually, what he said was, you might not get even that, why not fuck off?

    link?

    He then had to re0instate this money you said they didn’t take away? How does that work again?

    Really?? Money was promised until 2020. To take away this money would take an act of Parliament. AFTER Holden announced they were leaving there was some talk about cutting funding but they did not do this. Anyway they did not have the numbers in the Senate to cut funding even if the Coalition wanted to. There was also some talk for transfering the money promised from 2017-2020 to before 2017 but this did not happen.

    Please give me a link to this money they reinstated after taking it away? It would take an act of Parliament to do this and they did not have the numbers n the Senate.

  102. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:24 pm

    <Linl?

    ROFL

    In addition to all the others I have shown you, here

    ……But we have a majority in cabinet that believe, with a passion, that 2016 is just the time to hit the economy, that Australia needs to be taught a lesson and the labour force requires a good cleansing.

    So as a deliberate policy they are determined to abandon the previous government’s deal to save the motor industry at least until 2022.

    But clearly the more cavalier cabinet members can see the chance to shut down the industry and do not care about the timing or any other consequences.

    …Australia has never before seen a prime minister act this way towards employment.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/12/9/economy/australias-five-tidal-waves-unemployment

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:37 pm

    So as a deliberate policy they are determined to abandon the previous government’s deal to save the motor industry at least until 2022.

    Proof? Actually the proof is they didn’t. And i do not believe what the journalist says.

    There was some talk AFTER Holden announced they were leaving to cut funding at 2015 to save some money. But they never went through with it. And even if they wanted to cut funding it needed an at of parliament and they didn’t have the numbers.

    There were no funding cuts. Funding was there until 2020 and Holden knew it. Holden left because nobody wanted to buy the crap they made.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:39 pm

    Battlers and plutocrats: How political connections reward Australia’s super-rich:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-26/frijters-foster-battlers-and-plutocrats/6725118

    …The Washington Post ran an article last week reporting that 65 per cent of the richest people in Australia had amassed their wealth via political connections rather than via innovative businesses.

    According to the quoted research, Australian residents are rewarded for their political connections about as much as Indonesian or Indian residents, with Colombia offering the biggest rewards. Notably, the Australian situation is in stark contrast to that of the US, where only 1 per cent of the billionaires reportedly made their wealth through political connections.

    Is Australia really such a plutocracy? Our own research, using different empirical methods, agrees with the conclusions reported in the Washington Post.

    In fact, we put the figure closer to 80 per cent, making Australia potentially on par with Colombia…

  105. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:53 pm

    And i do not believe what the journalist says.

    Or what hockey says? ROFL

    The Government had decided to cut the $400 million co-investment payments to $200 million a year, with no guarantee of public assistance in the longer term. For the carmakers, who like all manufacturers have struggled to compete with overseas rivals because Australia’s overvalued dollar makes domestic products too expensive, the Government’s refusal of support was a death sentence.

    http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=38636#.Vd02qpeNGqF

    The prime minister acknowledged the car manufacturing sector was suffering because of the high Australian dollar.

    She accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of not supporting the industry and criticised his plans for a $500 million cut to the $3.4 billion automotive transformation scheme, which helps car makers adjust their plant operations.

    “It is entirely wrong for Mr Abbott and the opposition he leads to be anti the jobs of car workers and to be determined to rip money out of industry co-investment with the car industry,” she said.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/talks-over-holden-second-shift/story-e6frea83-1226259558573

    Prophetic words indeed.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2015 1:57 pm

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:17 pm

    I’m not saying that all Union leaders are angels, in fact, some are probably down right criminal.”…and given that there are less than 50 unions, they must have about the highest rate of criminality of any occupation, particularly the CFMEU (Construction Div)

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:25 pm

    and given that there are less than 50 unions

    How many reps then?

    50x?

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:54 pm

    She accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of not supporting the industry and criticised his plans for a $500 million cut to the $3.4 billion automotive transformation scheme,

    OK lets assume you are right. That still leaves $3.4B- $0.5B = $2.9B

    But it never happened. Cuts require an act of Parliament and the Coalition does not have the numbers to pass the Senate.

  110. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:57 pm

    OK lets assume you are right.

    I AGREE!

  111. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:58 pm

    hehehe

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 2:59 pm

    But you & TB continually divert the issue by saying – “Look at all those business types”

    How many businesses are there?

  113. August 26, 2015 3:04 pm

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  114. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 3:15 pm

    How many businesses are there?

    Why don’t you go and do a thesis on it genius.

    Why not take just the Financial Adviser industry as an example. Not only does this grubmint not ant to look under that rock, they also went and threw the covering of moss back over it for them.

    Not that I think he will stand down, but ……….

    The royal commission into trade union corruption would be unlikely to continue if Dyson Heydon disqualified himself from heading the inquiry because of his role in judging the credibility of witnesses when they give evidence, leading law academics have said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/could-the-royal-commission-into-trade-unions-go-on-without-dyson-heydon-20150825-gj76xg.html#ixzz3jtYTMFTQ
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 3:24 pm

    Gold

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 4:41 pm

    “This inquiry is not a political game, this inquiry is important for the future of the union movement and the Labor Party,” Mr Abbott said.

    Can you believe the BS this prick spouts … absofknlutely infkncredible!

  117. August 26, 2015 4:47 pm

    Latest Morgan poll has Labor taking a 9 point lead on the LNP on 2PP basis..

    http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll/federal-voting/2pp-voting-intention-recent-2013-2016

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 4:52 pm

    Sounds like Abbott was quoting Martin Ferguson, who is about the most sensible ALP figure around these days. He is willing to say in public what others say privately.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 5:14 pm

    But you & TB continually divert the issue by saying – “Look at all those business types”

    How many businesses are there?

    I really don’t give a fuck how many businesses there are … my issue is your one-eyed stance, along with the Liberals, that only the unions steal and threaten (and that is generally the CFMEU if it happens) …

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander …

    Strangely enough the majority of unions fight for their members (and everyone elses) wages and conditions … business won’t ever offer better … but they will try to attack and erode those work conditions all the time … ya know – penalty rates – springs to mind!

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 5:25 pm

    (and that is generally the CFMEU if it happens) …

    How naïve you are TB.

  121. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2015 5:35 pm

    “This inquiry is not a political game, this inquiry is important for the future of the union movement and the Labor Party,” Mr Abbott said.”

    Unf*knbelievable! (™ TB)

    And here was me thinking the inquiry was in the national interest.

    How stupid is Abbott?

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2015 6:22 pm

    How stupid is Abbott?

    Is that a challenge?

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2015 6:45 pm

    How naïve you are TB.

    Naïve? ‘Cause you think all unions are run by corrupt people? Unions! BOO!

    Maybe a bit more experienced on either side of the fence and actually on sometimes on the fence itself …

    And here was me thinking the inquiry was in the national interest.

    In what way,sb — if its criminal behaviour report it to the police … we don’t need a Royal Commission ($80 million!) controlled by a dodgy brothers, ex-judge who overlooks stuff … to know that people in all walks of the workplace do dodgy shite! Let me repeat and emphasise that – ALL WALKS – of life and everyone one of them should be thrown in jail … three times I have had to take on employers who have underpaid, cheated, avoided award conditions and in one case stole her Work Permit for his wife! (The last in PNG)

    And I won’t bore you with what has happened to my daughter in law/son in law/son/g/son … all by employers who breached the awards or committed criminal offences and harassed and bullied …

    If its in the national interest – get the lot of them not just a few union hacks!

    Naïve? ToM … maybe you need to experience a bit more before you play silly buggers with accusations …

    Maybe the Liberal Party should look at the dodgy Liberal folk running around the states stealing from the Liberal Party encouraged by our supposed “adult”, “economic managers” and “decision makers” …

    Senator Abetz was drawn into the saga following comments from Liberal colleague and Tasmanian premier Will Hodgman.
    Mr Hodgman said he and Senator Abetz were told in 2008 that Mr Mantach had to repay almost $48,000 to the Tasmanian branch when he left the state to come to Victoria.
    “I am not going to comment any further other than it was a state organisation matter in 2008 and it remains a state organisation matter in 2015,” Senator Abetz told reporters in Melbourne on Wednesday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vic-libs-face-200k-taxpayer-bill/story-e6frfku9-1227498923933

  124. August 26, 2015 8:05 pm

    Operation Lefty Distraction

    (for Teabag eyes ONLY)

    1.Shirt-front the `real-deal`, but FFS, do NOT mention their or our oligarchy.

    2.Publicly discuss `possibility` of gay-marriage, but FFS, don`t give public commitment to it, don`t mentions canoes or flying-f35-junk either.

    3.Publicly screech about my abc bias, especially on qandaland. Keep telling Sales and the reportland-crew to fcuk-off. Don`t mention the dole-office, on-water matters, gulags or budget.

    4.Promote loudly doubling of women in cabinet. Don`t mention gulag rapes, violence or costs. Also off-limits, nbn-costs, f35-costs, auto-jobs, airline-jobs and budgets.

    5.Create media-beat-up on Republic. Don`t mention mission-creep into Syria.

  125. August 26, 2015 8:51 pm

    tb”””my issue is your one-eyed stance, along with the Liberals, that only the unions steal and threaten (and that is generally the CFMEU if it happens)”””

    #don`t blow a gasket teebs, it is pretty clear that you-know-who has absolutely no experience whatsoever of any type of job beyond his own cubicle, my bet is s/he is a personal-fluffer in a sales-dept of one of these franchise outfits or monster corporations, bleats to their tune anyway

    #doesn`t have any technology, management, demographic, production, construction, engineering, safety, legal, or logistics knowledge or how they are interlinked or apply to each other. Just regurgitates `promotion-lines` or `sales-pitches`.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2015 9:07 pm

    I’m sure everyone is aware that I’m not one to complain, but…

    There are certain comments being made that are entirely inappropriate unless they are made by my personal troll/sock puppet.

    They are unacceptable in any other circumstances and if this nonsense continues, I will be forced to terminate the services of my loyal personal troll/sock puppet.

    Thank you.

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:23 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/warragamba-dam-spilling-as-flood-threat-downgraded-20150826-gj8nz5.html

    Water has started spilling over the Warragamba Dam wall for the first time since 2013, but the flood threat for low-lying areas along the Nepean and Hawkesbury rivers has been revised downwards.

    The dam started spilling about 7.30am on Thursday, within the one-hour window that had been forecast by the Bureau of Meteorology.

    And Tim Flannery said because of global warming our dams would never fill. Because of the false beliefs of the global warmers we built a zillion dollar desal plant which has never been used.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:25 am

    I see that Julia Gillard has done a backflip/u-turn/somersault over marriage equality. That’s fine, now that she’s out of politics she can probably provide an actual opinion. Rather than the scripted crap she previously spruiked that was cynically driven by appeasement of the right wing SDA and various religious nutcases.

    Good for Julia.

    What I’m not so keen on is her resistance to a plebiscite.

    “The only foundation stone for the idea of a plebiscite or referendum is an appeal to the all-too-popular sentiment that politicians are inadequate, that their decision-making is somehow deficient,” she said.

    I think it’s a fact – politicians are inadequate and their decision making is deficient.

    While I’m not specifically for or against a plebiscite over the marriage, I would like to see more of them.

    Plebiscites represent an opportunity to break down the entrenched interests of the major political parties and Gillard’s attitude yet again shows her inclination to put the entrenched and organised interests of political parties ahead of the community.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-26/gillard-says-she-supports-same-sex-marriage-condemns-referendum/6727638

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:27 am

    The only occasion politicians think we should have a plebiscite is in deciding critical issues such as the song that’s going to be played at a football final.

    That’s the orientation Gillard represents.

  130. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:43 am

    I think it’s a fact – politicians are inadequate and their decision making is deficient.

    Of course, the electorate doesn’t suffer from that, do they. I mean, look at what we voted in last election. Gillard explains her reasoning’s against a plebiscite which actually resounds quite strongly with me and my constant whining about “teh media”

    My predecessor in the electorate of Lalor, Barry Jones, puts it this way: ‘A fundamental mistake was made by many writers, myself included, about the impact of the IT revolution. We assumed that access to new technology would open people up to the world, that people would seek out the universal and long term. Instead, technologies such as the iPhone have reinforced the realm of the personal, as exhibited in social media, with its emphasis on the immediate, the next few minutes, concentrating on family and close friends, reinforcing existing views.’

    …..

    To achieve the effect of screaming loudly, media reporting ends up conforming to a small set of rules. Yesterday is forgotten.

    Stories are not reported as the logical extension of a reform policy started many years ago. God forbid that anything pumped out today should look old. Instead a move in health or education or on jobs is reported as wholly new and devoid of any of the context that may help a reader to understand it. Nuance is too rare. All complaints are highlighted.

    Never expect a rounded picture of the world in which we live, the need for a particular reform, the debates about the shape that should take, the specific structure of the reform the government has decided on, a description of what it is trying to achieve, the risks inherent in the process, an analysis of who benefits and who bears any burden and so on.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/people-families/julia-gillard-just-did-a-marriage-equality-turnaround-wow/

    If we cannot be trusted to vote in a Government capable of making reasoned decisions, what hope for the minutiae?

    Also, good to see even politicians can admit they were were wroooon .. wrooo..wron….. “most assuredly not winning hearts and minds.” and can move along with reform with the remainder of the country. Well, some anyway 😉

  131. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:45 am

    And Tim Flannery said because of global warming our dams would never fill.

    Holy fuck you are blindingly stupid and ignorant all in one

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 9:54 am

    Holy fuck you are blindingly stupid and ignorant all in one

    Please explain?

  133. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:01 am

    ROFL nil you ignorant/duplicitous moron. a 6 sec “cherry pick” from bolt. How STUPID are you?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/12/03/its-been-another-stellar-week-for-the-newly-reset-abbott-govt/#comment-86371

    If you are going to Gish Gallop, don’t do it so stupidly.

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:08 am

    I think plebiscites are a good idea, only people with a very low opinion of the public would argue against them. I suppose that’s people like Gillard.

    Here are some to the issues I’d like to see put to plebiscites-
    • Tax reform – were a reform package is put up and debated by the public rather than just by politicians.
    • Republic options – where the public chooses a preferred model and this is them put to a referendum against the existing structure.
    • Gambling, smoking & alcohol control – to support legislation that might be opposed by the vested interests through political donations
    • Drug reform – so that the agenda isn’t just run by marginal nutcases
    • Carbon emission control – it’s about time to stop politicisation of the issue

    There are dozens of issues that politicians prove to be incapable of dealing with because they are captured my organised, marginal, vested interests. A system of plebiscites would assist to overcome this.

    But professional politicians like Gillard would hate the notion of giving up control by marginal vested interests.

  135. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:14 am

    Did you read the link to Labor Herald yomm?

    Do you agree that rolling plebiscites will just see a bigger barrage of vested interests corrupting our already corruptible media?

    Besides, the large percent of the population complain enough when they have to vote for elections. imagine plebiscites for every issue yomm and his mates want them for?

    We would get voter fatigue very quickly.

    We pay pollies to do these things, if you don’t like it, vote them out. If they vote against your wish, harden up! If they are voted in, and still can’t get your precious worker kicking reforms in, then I would guess we have the real indication of just how popular those reforms are.

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:14 am

    Fact is govts developed policies because they were told rainfall would be low because of global warming. Therefore a desal plant was the only option.

    Every home in Sydney could have been supplied with a rainwater tank for the money we spent on that desal plant that has been mothballed.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:22 am

    So we’re to base our decisions about more democratic participation on an article in an ALP rag?

    Of course. That’s the approach you’d advocate.

    Politicians have proved incapable. They are too influenced or controlled by narrow interests.

  138. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:24 am

    Rainwater tanks are going to be of no use if/when a protracted drought comes again.

    I have nothing against rainwater tanks, they are a great idea, but when you need to maintain a water source for a metropolis …………..

    Ask California

  139. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:27 am

    Politicians have proved incapable.

    Yea, cos our countries such a mess lol

    Looks like the call that tipped Heyson off has been exposed.

    At 5.30pm on August 12, a staff member at the NSW Bar Assoc­iation took a call from Marcus Priest, lawyer, journalist and a former senior adviser to oppos­ition legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dyson-heydon-call-that-stirred-up-a-judicial-hornets-nest/story-fn59niix-1227500405479

    He called it off because he was busted.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:37 am

    During the long drought here, I used rainwater to fill my pool and grey water on the garden. We have a relatively large block for the area. The pool remained full enough and the garden and lawn were fine.

    Our water usage was estimated to be the same for a 2 bedroom flat.

    Even during prolonged droughts rains enough here to supply basic household needs.

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:39 am

    Yea, cos our countries such a mess lol

    Well, if you think it is beyond improvement (to reduce the influence of marginal and vested interests), you’re a dill.

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:42 am

    PM to focus on remote employment

    That his own! LOL! 🙂

    From the article …

    Mr Abbott is also keen to see places like Bamaga be an economy as well as a community.

    Oh, how we laughed!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-to-focus-on-remote-employment/story-e6frfku9-1227500490966

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:48 am

    Rather than the scripted crap she previously spruiked that was cynically driven by appeasement of the right wing SDA and various religious nutcases.

    Like The Mad Abbott does now …

    What I’m not so keen on is her resistance to a plebiscite.

    I think it’s a fact – politicians are inadequate and their decision making is deficient.

    While I’m not specifically for or against a plebiscite over the marriage, I would like to see more of them.

    What? Plebiscites or same sex marriages?

    And FYI a plebiscite has the same value as any other poll … governments are not obliged to accept nor act upon them … the way that Tricky Dicky Abbott slips and slides … its just a kick the can down the road – ploy …

    Now either you don’t know that … or you’re just supporting Abbott’s deceit …

    Does Tony Abbott still have British Citizenship?

  144. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:51 am

    Well, if you think it is beyond improvement

    Of course it needs improvement. The next election will hopefully fix that 😉

    Oh, how we laughed!

    That’s your “lifestyle choice” then 😉

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:54 am

    You’re becoming increasingly grumpy and presumptive TB.

    Do you have your walk shorts on backwards?

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:55 am

    If they are voted in, and still can’t get your precious worker kicking reforms in, then I would guess we have the real indication of just how popular those reforms are.

    Plebiscite on Workchoices v3.231.154.628 (? Is that the latest?)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Rainwater tanks are going to be of no use if/when a protracted drought comes again.

    Queensland has a very serious drought now! And a massive el nino is about to hit … the la nina is over – apparently …

    We already have a 5000l s/steel tank (our drinking water) and we are considering another two smaller s/s tanks …

  147. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:58 am

    Does Tony Abbott still have British Citizenship?

    He’s too busy using a hammer (what chippie in his right mind uses a hammer these days?) to bother answering pesky little questions that mean nothing, except his legitimacy to Govern us all.

    Maybe that can be a plebiscite question? 🙂

  148. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 11:00 am

    You’re becoming increasingly grumpy and presumptive TB.

    Do you have a personal troll now TB?

    We already have a 5000l s/steel tank (our drinking water) and we are considering another two smaller s/s tanks …

    Good for you. I can just see every backyard in Sydney with one/two/three 😉

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 11:05 am

    Good for you. I can just see every backyard in Sydney with one/two/three

    Well if you put them in when a new home is being built you can put them in the ground under the house. This would be difficult to do with an established home however. I guess you could put it in the roof.

    I have relatives who built a new home and the rainwater tank is under the house and uses a small electric motor to get the water up to the taps.

  150. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 11:25 am

    I guess you could put it in the roof.

    Like I said, I have no issue with rainwater tanks. I also know that locally here in Adelaide, there are requirements for them for any new house and additions.

    Tanks alone are not going to supply the water for major cities in the event of a prolonged drought. When even the rain that falls won’t fill our dams and river systems.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 11:46 am

    You’re becoming increasingly grumpy and presumptive TB.

    Mmmmm …. must have scored a goal … playing the man … was it something I said?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 11:59 am

    So suddenly Bill Shorten’s cooperation with employers is a good thing again.

    TR’s link …

    Mr Abetz invited voters to look at Mr Shorten’s “actions as opposed to his words” after he instructed all his Labor Party senators to vote down the Australian Building and Construction Commission legislation last week.

    Mr Abetz said the legislation was designed to protect small businesses, contractors and workers from “thuggery and intimidation” associated with the national construction union.

    “The current workplace laws applying to the building and construction sector were put in place by Labor and have remained unchanged. Is Mr Shorten suggesting that Labor’s own legislation has been ineffective?” Mr Abetz said.

    “If Bill Shorten is serious about reforming industrial relations in the construction industry, then he could start by supporting the government’s bill to re-establish the Australian Building and Construction Commission, a body that we know can change workplace culture and deliver significant productivity benefits for the economy and workers.”

    Abetz, still confrontational and aggressive … must be in his genes? Hey?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually TR our tank is at the “front” alongside the driveway … we’re planning the other two for the back … one on each side fence … normal suburban block (26 perches in the easy measurement) 🙂

    uses a small electric motor to get the water up to the taps

    Gurggle … 🙂 … yeah … oh, dear … oh, dear … hopefully a powerful electric motor attached to a submerged pump …

    Just sayin’ …

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2015 12:01 pm

    … playing the man …”

    Heavens TB!! That seems to be your singular contribution at the moment.

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 12:33 pm

    Gurggle … 🙂 … yeah … oh, dear … oh, dear … hopefully a powerful electric motor attached to a submerged pump …

    I suspect that is standard. When the house was being built the rainwater tank was placed under the house. You don’t even know it is there. There is a manhole on the back verandah so you can see the water level. The electric pump is very efficient and hardly uses any power.

  155. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 12:33 pm

    If Bill Shorten is serious about reforming industrial relations in the construction industry, then he could start by supporting the government’s bill to re-establish the Australian Building and Construction Commission

    Yea, if Shorten wants to negotiate with us, agree with us!! What a dick

    Like anybody but far right looneys want the likes of the ABCC back. It’s bad enough the Unions and workers have to deal with bikie infested corporations, without goose stepping zealouts intimidating them as well

    ‘Dragged through hell’: Tribe found not guilty

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/dragged-through-hell-tribe-found-not-guilty-20101124-186ah.html

  156. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 12:35 pm

    normal suburban block

    Have you been to Sydney lately 😉

    #just sayin’

  157. August 27, 2015 12:41 pm

    “I’m sure everyone is aware that I’m not one to complain.”

    Do you have a link for that?

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    This is the cost of the Victorian desal plant.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/victorias-desalination-plant-to-take-33-extra-years-to-pay/6626706

    Victorians have been asked to consider a Melbourne Water proposal which would see the state’s desalination plant take an extra 33 years to pay off.

    The proposal would see the $18 billion bill spread out over 60 years, rather than the 27 years in the current contract

    $18B?? And it has never been used. Shows you how wrong the ALP was. Almost everything the ALP does turns into a disaster.

  159. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 27, 2015 1:59 pm

    “Dragged through hell’: Tribe found not guilty”

    Great, let’s abolish all courts then! Because, like, some innocent people get acquitted.

    Rule of the jungle works well for the Union/Bikie cartel.

  160. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2015 2:11 pm

    Because, like, some innocent people get acquitted.

    You missed the point then, maybe deliberately. Innocent people shouldn’t be dragged through courts for political agendas. He was just an average worker, who attended a safety meeting. A safety meeting that was shown to be required.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 2:39 pm

    Heavens TB!! That seems to be your singular contribution at the moment.

    There ya go again … WTF are you talking about …

    Your contributions are multiple? 😮 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 2:58 pm

    The proposal would see the $18 billion bill spread out over 60 years, rather than the 27 years in the current contract

    This what gets me about the ALP. $18B for a desal plant that has never been used and people want them back.

    Rudd/Gillard trashed everything they touched. The trashed our borders, they trashed the budget, they trashed our auto industry and people want them back.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 3:54 pm

    Well we can’t blame the Liberals for doing anything new …

    … they haven’t done anything … except destroy any chance of developing industry, productivity, research and development, support, investment and opportunities for start up businesses …

    … and allowed the rich to get richer while the plebs worry about getting poorer, affording health services, educating their children, finding work for graduates from high schools and university, having to work longer and dwindling pensions …

    … while watching our freedoms in a democratic society eroding under government controls, sending our young men and women to fight in other people’s religious civil wars, while purchasing shoddy, expensive weaponry and considering other sovereign nations to build ships at the expense of not only national jobs that would invest locally and boost the economy but national and strategic security …

    … and finally, trading away our nation to others simply to make money for the 1% who own 50% of the wealth and – as usual – the plebs will (always) pay …

    … all talk about jobs and productivity … no action … no infrastructure projects – except for overseas companies …

    … even the Governors General of the Colony of NSW knew what to do when the economy in the new settlement slowed … they put money into building for the future …

    The Liberal see no future they only see what “could have been” …

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2015 4:03 pm

    TB

    You are insane. Telling falsehood helps nobody.

    Under Labor the local car industry was destroyed. In fact Labor destroys most things. You need to wake up because that is all Labor does.

    Victoria is spending $18B on a desal plant that will most probably never be used. How many hospitals could that build?

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2015 5:22 pm

    jesus fkn christ … and I thought Swan was an odd choice for Treasurer …

    Pain if budget cut too quickly: Hockey

    This story was published: 36 minutes ago August 27, 2015 4:43PM

    TREASURER Joe Hockey says more spending cuts need to be made, but it will cause the community pain if the government does it too quickly.

    FORMER Treasury secretary Martin Parkinson warned a national reform summit on Wednesday the budget was heading towards a “mess” if reform wasn’t undertaken, but Mr Hockey says spending has already been cut by $50 billion.
    “There is more to be done, there is no argument about that, but if we move faster there is no doubt it we will cause pain in the Australian community,” Mr Hockey told Sky news on Thursday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pain-if-budget-cut-too-quickly-hockey/story-e6frfku9-1227501485601

    Flip flop? Or a very hard lesson learned in 2014, methinks?

  166. August 27, 2015 10:09 pm

    boo.of-melb”””it`s a fact .. politicians are inadequate and their decision making is deficient””#particularly within the two major `teams` .. #agree

    #does anybody else really give a flying fcuk what jooLiar thinks when she squibbed on gay-marriage when she `actually` had power .. jooLiar did NOT fight hard for it, she largely ducked the topic and didn`t even cast her OWN vote for it, jooLiar should just go and get fcuked

  167. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 7:58 am

    You couldn’t make this shit up. Looks like the turc, heydon ,dyson and the hun are all heading for electoral oblivion along with yabot and his version of the libs.

    • heyson told us he “remembered” the fundraiser at the last minute
    • turns out council assisting stoljar actually tipped him off
    • turns out after not initially revealing all relevant information, they belatedly STILL didn’t release all relevant information, information that drops council assisting stoljar right in the middle of it
    • now we have to wait until Monday to find out just how far this lot will dig in
    •then we have the hun, making up stories, with union member “eye witnesses” accounts and all (remember that the next time we see union member “eye witnesses” accounts ) about a Victorian raid on the CFMEU that never was.
    • And to top it all off, yabot agrees with marn that this is set up to “clean up the ALP” 😯

    Yea, this turc must be uncovering so much illegal activity that they need liberal sympathisers to prosecute and judge, liberal media arms to make up stories about it, and moronic liberal leaders to remove any remaining doubt (should anybody be that partisanly blind … nil) that this has been a stitch up from the get go.

    Dyson Heydon has deferred to Monday his decision on whether to resign from the royal commission into trade unions, following claims from the ACTU he may have misled the public on why he withdrew from a Liberal Party fundraiser.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dyson-heydon-misled-us-on-decision-to-quit-liberal-party-fundraiser-says-actu-20150827-gj98y6.html#ixzz3k3H5xpQV
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  168. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 7:59 am

  169. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 8:00 am

  170. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 8:01 am
  171. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 8:44 am

    lol, planetjanet is in fevered overdrive. Seems this is all Labor fault (who’d have thought hey 😉 )

    Is this a political stitch-up that will blow back on Labor and the unions?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/dyson-heydon-ultimately-the-voters-will-judge-labor-lynch-mob/story-e6frg7bo-1227501812148?sv=5031dda4dfc24b90ba16fcefb4b42c63

    Yea, cos I guess the union bovver boys made him get invited to a lib fundraiser while he was presiding over their witch hunt. And then made him keep said appointment, until they started their pesky snooping

    Voters are entitled to ask: did Priest dig for dirt on behalf of Labor and its union paymasters?

    I’m pretty sure he did. Or, another way of wording it could be, did someone poke into dirty liberal laundry baskets, and find their shit sticks

    The unions staged their own chorus of confected indignation.

    When it comes to “confected”, planet is the place to go I guess 😆

    The entire lolstralian is in Union Outrage today. After their stablemates admission yesterday that they made up an entire story, replete with “witness statements” and all, I’m convinced this shit sheet won’t even get my fire going. It has lost all intrinsic value now.

    Some idiots still think it is “interesting reading” ROFL

    ffs, at least Harry Potter was believable (comparatively)

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2015 9:01 am

    Regardless of all that, the best news is that the Royal Commission will continue.

    That’s in the public interest, and only a nong would say otherwise.

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2015 9:02 am

    …and good to see my personal troll/sock puppet on the job!!

    (It’s important to my self esteem)

  174. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 9:20 am

    Regardless of all that

    That really should be mounted on display lol

  175. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 9:24 am

    I also see the lolstralina has comment from hawkie. Let’s see how much they have misrpepresented him today. Probably not as much as the hun misrepresented those union member “eye witnesses” accounts that weren’t

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2015 11:12 am

    That’s in the public interest, and only a nong would say otherwise.

    Why is it that The Mad Abbott’s supporters always point at others for what they themselves are …

  177. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2015 11:23 am

    “Former Labor Prime Minister and ACTU President Bob Hawke backs the China deal, saying it is in Australia’s national interest. Former Labor foreign ministers Bob Carr and Gareth Evans have also urged the Opposition to back down…………”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/08/28/abbott-sees-china-fta-sabotage_n_8051930.html

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/28/bob-hawke-joins-campaign-china-deal

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2015 2:09 pm

    Well Abbott has become the first Australian PM to visit the grave of Eddie Mabo

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbott-to-be-first-australian-prime-minister-to-visit-grave-of-indigenous-campaigner-eddie-mabo/story-fns0jze1-1227495551260

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2015 2:22 pm

    “Former Labor Prime Minister and ACTU President Bob Hawke backs the China deal,

    The ALP’s opposition is continuing evidence of the unsavoury & unsatisfactory control militant unions exercise over the party and its leadership.

  180. August 28, 2015 2:41 pm

    boo.of.melb””in the public interest,””

    (It`s important to my self esteem)

    #Teabag `workplace-relations` must be victorious

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/26/virginia-gunman-kills-reporter-cameraman

    ””Regardless of all that,””

    ””only a nong would say otherwise.””

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2015 3:37 pm

    That’s a lame effort. Please lift your game.

  182. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 4:09 pm

    “Former Labor Prime Minister and ACTU President Bob Hawke backs the China deal, ”

    See here 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/25/tony-abbott-proud-of-govt-thats-heading-towards-election-annihilation/#comment-113959

    And his words

    “I am all in favour of it,” Mr Hawke told The Australian. “The party must not go backwards on this issue — the party and the trade union movement. Talk of opposing it is just absolutely against Australia’s best interests.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/bob-hawke-warns-alp-and-unions-on-china-fta/story-fn59nm2j-1227501956380?sv=df188a71101aac7b265bd0c8f9564f53

    The Labor Party are also in favour of it, they started the negations. As are the Unions in favour. They are just not in favour of the conditions signed up to that threaten Australians jobs. I wonder, did Hawke say something similar, that didn’t mange to make it into press? I’m guessing he said a lot more.

    I mean, this is the company that just yesterday ran a full story about an AFP on CFMEU offices, with witness statements, that never occurred.

    Every other story is going the lolstralians. They do so at their peril

  183. August 28, 2015 6:20 pm

    Bob Hawke warns ALP and unions on China FTA

    The Australian .. August 28, 2015 12:00AM .. #FULL

    Bob Hawke has a close affinity with Chinese political, business and cultural leaders, and has travelled to China 101 times over the past four decades.

    Bob Hawke has issued a stern warning to the Labor Party and the trade union movement not to ­oppose the China-Australia Free-Trade Agreement, arguing it is in the national interest that it be adopted.

    ”I am all in favour of it,” Mr Hawke told The Australian. ”The party must not go backwards on this issue .. the party and the trade union movement. Talk of opposing it is just absolutely against Australia`s best interests.”

    Mr Hawke, a former Labor prime minister and ACTU president, is at odds with the party, which has refused to support the agreement without substantial changes.

    The ACTU is mounting a ­ferocious campaign against the trade deal and has called for it to be dumped. Bill Shorten has ­described it as ”a mess” and a ”bad agreement”.

    Writing in The Australian last month, the Opposition Leader vowed to ”improve the outcomes for Australian workers” by seeking to amend the enabling legislation. Labor says it supports a free-trade deal with China, but not as it ­currently stands.

    The Coalition has lashed opposition to the deal, accusing unions of sponsoring a ”xenophobic” campaign and Labor of reviving ”the ghosts of the White Australia policy”.

    Trade Minister Andrew Robb said Australia`s business and political relationship with China could be damaged if the agreement was derailed by the union campaign.

    He will arrive in Beijing today after meetings in Hong Kong and Shanghai, where he said businesses were worried the deal was now in jeopardy.

    The trade deal is due to come into effect later this year after it was signed by Tony Abbott and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Canberra late last year.

    A television advertising campaign funded by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union argues that ”the China free- trade deal will shut out locals from jobs”. It says Chinese workers will not be paid Australian wages or need to demonstrate the same training and skill levels as other foreign visa applicants.

    Industry groups are poised to hit back with a counter advertising campaign across TV, radio, print and social media platforms.

    The Minerals Council of Australia, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the National Farmers Federation are backing the campaign which will promote the economic gains of the agreement.

    It will also emphasise the ­importance of finalising the deal this year and securing two rounds of tariff reductions in quick succession. The ACTU, however, is urging MPs to vote against the ­enabling legislation for the trade deal.

    An open letter to Tony Abbott from ACTU president Ged Kearney and secretary Dave Oliver, published today, argues that the deal would ”exploit” overseas workers and ”deny job opportunities” to Australians.

    Mr Robb said he believed the Chinese government would be hesitant to accept amendments to the agreement after nearly nine years of negotiations.

    ”It would be very damaging to our relationship with China if the deal was stopped,” he told The Australian. ”They would not trust us again. We have signed a treaty and you can`t change that.”

    Mr Hawke said clauses regarding foreign workers should be scrutinised but should not be used as a basis to scuttle the agreement.

    Australian growth and jobs were ”dependent” upon inter­national trade and no trade partner was more important than China. ”We (should) make it clear that we will be watching to see that the clauses in the agreement which cover the circumstances in which foreign workers can come (to Australia) is properly applied, as I am sure it would be.”

    The government says contrary to union claims, there will not be unrestricted access to the labour market for Chinese workers and local employment laws and conditions will not be undermined. Chinese companies will have to pay Australian wages and abide by the same conditions of employment.

    Departmental guidelines for the trade deal say that a project ­labour agreement will be entered into only where Australians have been offered the ”first opportunity” for jobs.

    Opposition trade spokes-woman Penny Wong refused to say whether Labor would back the agreement in parliament. ”We`re up for an agreement with China, but it has to be an agreement which delivers jobs,” she told Sky News.

    Mr Robb said ”major” investors and businesses he had met over the past few days were now confused, given Labor supported the deal when it was signed by Mr Xi last year.

    ”They saw both sides of politics welcoming the deal when President Xi was down to sign it and they are in the middle of significant deals because the FTA is due to come into place,” he said.

    Mr Hawke, who proposed the APEC trade forum in 1989, stressed agreements that lowered trade barriers were good for jobs, growth and economic prosperity. It was nonsense for Labor and the unions to be arguing against freer trade. ”Of course it is in Australia`s interests .. you just have to look at our history,” he said. ”Our growth is .. we are .. dependent upon international trade and growth. Gradual reduction in trade barriers .. was an important part of my reform initiatives (in government).”

    The China, Japan and South Korea free-trade agreements are worth a combined $24.4 billion to Australia and will create nearly 8000 new jobs.

    Mr Hawke has a close affinity with China, having travelled to the country 101 times over the past four decades. ”I obviously do commercial work .. I advise Chinese companies and Australian companies,” he said.

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2015 6:28 pm

    There’s the proof that the ALP is full of either –

    * Sell outs like Hawke and Ferguson (can’t believe a word those traitors say), or
    * CFMEU servants

  185. August 28, 2015 6:33 pm

    Hey team-cheerer,

    Mr Hawke has a close affinity with China, having travelled to the country 101 times over the past four decades. ”I obviously do commercial work .. I advise Chinese companies and Australian companies,” he said.

    #doesn`t exactly make me think old Hawky is speaking on behalf of working-plebs at the bottom, but self-serving interest of self-enrichment, and if so, he should also stop bludging on taxpayer provided perks

    #smells like teabag-lite

  186. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2015 7:15 pm

    * Sell outs like Hawke and Ferguson (can’t believe a word those traitors say), or
    * CFMEU servants

    A Broad Church then?

    can’t believe a word those traitors say

    In the case of Hawke, as I pointed out, it is the oz I’d be putting my mistrust in

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