Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers was bound to lead to something like Border Force
The following article is by Richard Flanagan…
It was news to me, as I suspect it was to many Australians on Friday, that there had been created in our country a paramilitary force that seemed not answerable to the legal limits and public expectations of our police and military forces, but only, and directly, to politicians – those same politicians who of late seem to have little respect for the rule of law, the truth, or the necessary independence of the judiciary.
Known as the Australian Border Force, this goon squad – formerly public servants, lately militarised at considerable taxpayer expense, given guns, the power to detain people, vaguely fascistic uniforms and a mandate that seems to not recognise the laws of their own country – were, we now told, mounting a large operation on Melbourne CBD streets, “speaking with any individual we cross paths with”.
As is so often the case with the Abbott government, this comic event felt like Vladimir Putin meets Rob Sitch’s Utopia; something sinister undone by a reliable stupidity, perhaps our last national virtue.
The hallmark bullying swagger of this government’s was matched in this instance by a grovelling backdown as the illegality of the proposed actions become clear and public condemnation overwhelming, and the arse-saving swung into full gear.
Peter Dutton, the minister responsible, seemed, understandably, not to want to take any responsibility, until his office finally came out and said they had been sent the press release announcing the operation two days prior to the operation – but no one had read it.
Really? Oh no, it later emerged; they saw it twice, and once at a high, but not ministerial level. Really?
No denial was made though about knowledge of the operation, which is only to be expected given Border Force’s commander reports directly to the minister. Former independent MP Tony Windsor wondered if the minister might not have been gazumped by the prime minister with his craziest captain’s call to date, at which point Captain Ahab himself staggered out onto the sinking bridge of his government to deny all knowledge of the event.
The prime minister blamed it on bad wording and went on to criticise anyone criticising decent public servants doing their job. Which begged other questions: if it was just bad wording why then cancel the otherwise blameless Operation Fortitude?
And what if bad wording spoke the truth of a worse culture in Border Force that now saw intimidation as one of its core duties?
Roman Quaedvlieg, the darkly uniformed head of the goon squad, blamed the now apparently lowly Don Smith, (who, as many pointed out, didn’t sound so lowly as commander of Victorian and Tasmanian operations of the Australian Border Force) drafter of the original media statement announcing the operation.
But what was really going on here?
Quaedvlieg proved more enlightening in a recent interview in Lloyd’s List Australia, where he made it clear that Border Force’s “policy role is definitely led by the Department [of Immigration and Border Protection] …
The most effective model ensures policy and operations work together with regular feedback and evaluation cycles so that our solutions, whether policy or operational, are holistic, practical and achieve agreed outcomes.” (My emphasis.)
“As ABF commissioner,” Dutton declared just two months ago announcing Quaedvlieg’s appointment, “Mr Quaedvlieg will work closely with the secretary of the department; ensuring that the operational and policy aspects of Australia’s border protection are joined at the highest levels.”
Which raises further questions: what was meant to be the “agreed outcome” of this operation? And who agreed to it “at the highest levels”? As a major public operation, what did Dutton know?
And are we to believe that this very public action – the first publicised action by Border Force – was not authorised by Tony Abbott’s cabinet, even if they did not know of its particular details, as part of its ever more desperate attempts to create an election over national security?
Certainly Windsor, a man with no small experience of the ways of national politics, believes so, seeing it as part of the Abbott government’s “agenda to create fear”. It’s “a very sad agenda … to frighten people,” he said.
“I have no doubt that some of these people in Tony Abbott’s government hope that something goes wrong domestically. They can taunt a Muslim into doing something so that they can say that we’re the only one who can protect you.”
In this, the Orwellian Border Force seems well primed to do the dirty work. On Australia Day, Mike Pezzullo, head of the Immigration and Border Protection Department – striking the necessary tone of the commander of the Night’s Watch of the Seven Kingdoms waiting for the white walkers to come over the wall and eat us all – told those public servants who hoped for a position in the soon-to-be-created Border Force that they “must man the ramparts and protect our borders”.
“Operational workers at the agencies hoping to be picked for the nation’s new border protection team,” reported the Canberra Times on 29 January 2015, “must first prove themselves in boot-camp style tests of strength and stamina including push-ups, squats and shuttle-runs.”
It is an iron law of bastardry that to humiliate others you must first be humiliated yourself. In this spirit, Border Force was an equal opportunity enforcer with “female border officials in the over-55 age group expected to perform four push-ups and six repetition squats as well as undergoing heart rate tests after mounting 22 steps in 60 seconds”.
Those who survived such idiocy to make it in the goon squad then had to work to a mission statement that reads like something out of a Philip K Dick sci-fi dystopia—except that Philip K Dick never gave such offence to the English language as this:
We consider the border not to be a purely physical barrier separating nation states, but a complex continuum stretching offshore and onshore, including the overseas, maritime, physical border and domestic dimensions of the border.
Treating the border as a continuum allows an integrated, layered approach to provide border management in depth – working ahead of and behind the border, as well as at the border, to manage threats and take advantage of opportunities.”
In Border Force world there is no space for reds under our bed, because the refugees are already there, while sleeping on top as well.
“By applying an intelligence-led model and working with our partner agencies across the border continuum,” this Matrix-induced drivel goes on, “we deliver effective border control over who and what has the right to enter or exit, and under what conditions”.
Other than the weird licence such words give to find and punish evil, well, anywhere – hot spots of global people smuggling such as Flinders Lane, my pub, your cafe – the last two clauses, eerily echo John Howard’s infamous 2001 speech in which he declared: “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”
Only now, it seems they seem to want to decide a whole lot more about us all.
Some critics had the temerity to suggest that the proposed Melbourne operation might lead to racial profiling.
Of course racial profiling would have had to have occurred, but that was only the beginning of things with a goon squad so politicised and militarised, tasked with answering to an enemy within, of imaginary borders that must be patrolled in the major streets of our cities now.
It is a truth wearily demonstrated by history that acts of tyranny condoned against some will finally become a tyranny visited on all. And in our acceptance of the antidemocratic, frequently illegal, often inhumane and occasionally criminal practices perpetuated against asylum seekers that have seen fellow human beings variously beaten, raped, molested, humiliated and murdered at Australian taxpayers’ expense, we have cleared a road for our own governments to begin treating us similarly.
And were that to happen, and if innocent victims were to use the courts to seek to protect their freedoms against the excesses of Border Force, would the attorney general – the purported custodian of the rule of law – then accuse them of “lawfare”?
If the public broadcaster sought to question such actions that infringe on our liberties would they be attacked as anti-Australian?
Would it be demanded of journalists that instead of digging to uncover crimes they join Team Australia?
And who is Team Australia anyway? Coal companies, thugs, rapists, goons and News Corp propagandists? To which list I almost forgot to add that epitome of Team Australia achievement, Prince Philip.
Much as the prime minister wishes to distance himself from Friday’s fiasco, he cannot. It is he who created the climate of division, promoted the hysteria and cultivated the hate; who sanctioned the offshore crimes and the lies and legal ruses to hide them; who passed the laws that protected the guilty and punished the innocent and sanctioned the creation of a state paramiltary force to enforce it all. As he said on the day of the inauguration of Border Force: “God bless you, God bless your work.”
The deeply antidemocratic excesses of the Abbott government should disturb any thinking Liberal party supporter. The left for 40 years had to live down the follies of Trotskyites and Maoists in the early 1970s. But their antidemocratic acts never reached beyond student and union politics.
The ultra-left never came close to being a federal government.
Paradoxically, those who battled the ultra-left in the 1970s on student campuses and took on much of their authoritarian ardour – the far right – now run Australia.
For some time it has been evident that the Abbott government has been the worst in our history – the most inept and the most incompetent.
But with such actions as Friday’s aborted exercise in police state intimidation, the Abbott government also begins to look in its desperation to cling to power the most dangerous.
Perhaps knowingly, perhaps not, they are summoning into existence forces with powers they do not understand and no democracy should allow. These excesses will be a very long time being forgotten.
The Liberal party can look forward to decades of living such ignominy down. For the highest purpose of a democratic government is to bring a society together and hold it together, not to divide it with fears, with rumours of wars, with acts of belligerence against other and then against its own. It is not to instil fear on our streets with a paramilitary force run by politicians.
The forces that for two centuries held nations together are now in eclipse, and new ideas that make a murderous cult in the Middle East more attractive to young Australians than their own society can only be battled by finding new ways of bringing us together, not further dividing us and weakening our sense of ourselves as a society.
A political party needs reminding that they are only that, that it’s our Australia, not theirs, and certainly not their goons. And it’s time we took it back.
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Government agencies like this one don’t take action of this nature on its own. It would normally be initiated or at least sanctioned by the appropriate political master(s).
So, that now leads us to wondering what the political thinking or motivation was behind this “initiative”.
How was this thought bubble given life?
Maybe this cartoon can answer that question for us . . . . .
https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-926
Cheers
Mick
”the Abbott government also begins to look in its desperation to cling to power”
This is the fundamental problem. Governments are now about whatever it takes to retain power. No wonder there is no coherent set of policies.
“The forces that for two centuries held nations together are now in eclipse”
Interesting. What forces exactly? Nations which have formed organically probably don’t need forces to hold them together. Immigrant nations like Australia have been held together in the sense that the majority of the population shared a common origin and a common set of beliefs. Social activists have undermined the common tradition and are now are viciously putting down the last remnants of resistance. There is scant evidence that “diversity” as a national identity has a long term future. Certainly the Yugoslavs, Czechs and Slovaks, Belgians, Ukrainians, Georgians, North and South Sudanese and others have not been able to pull it off.
“and new ideas that make a murderous cult in the Middle East more attractive to young Australians than their own society can only be battled by finding new ways of bringing us together, not further dividing us and weakening our sense of ourselves as a society.”
I sort of agree with this. The ideas that make Islamic State attractive are very old ideas. At heart it is the Utopian vision of a better world to be won through jihad and ruled by the caliphate. Treating those religious beliefs with kid gloves, hardly daring even to say their name is no solution at all. Quite the opposite.
We actually a need a full and frank discussion which might start with the proposition that if your religion, whatever it is, requires you to kill, please start with yourself. We should actually call out truly rotten ideas – that women are inferior to and subject to control by men; that apostates and blasphemers should be killed or punished in any way, that gays should be killed, that slavery is legitimate – and we should mock those ideas and those who put them forward. At the moment we can’t even have a public discussion about this! And if we can’t even do that then there is not much hope at all for a society that is this diverse.
Now, you might say that such a conversation will divide us. And I suppose it will, to some extent. But somewhere there has to be a core set of beliefs that we can all sign onto. Those matters listed above are so far beyond the pale that we should discriminate against them. The ability to actually discriminate against bad ideas is a sign of unity, a sign that we have a sense of ourselves as a society. Of course the modern intellectual has no trouble railing loudly against bad ideas of a specific provenance i.e. traditional ideas originally propounded by dead white males. But there is an obvious squeamishness in some parts when it comes to calling out bad ideas propounded by other identity groups. The time has come to stop playing identity politics, which is a sure path to social division, and to celebrate a common set of values equally applicable to all. Even if they are only a work in progress.
(Where is Meta when you need him or her?)
Interesting. What forces exactly?
Maybe ones that aligned so perfectly to create such historical epics as The Great War (and it’s ensuing (ongoing?) carnage)
(Where is Meta when you need him or her?)
………………………………………. Meta ………………..data?
Coincidence? I think not!
You sound like you are advocating a Bill of Rights, sb … ?
A decent Bill of Rights would be very good indeed, TB. We should use the US version as a starting point. And we should make sure it is not a Bill of Entitlements. The main aim of a Bill of Rights is to protect citizens from the government.
Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers was bound to lead to something like Border Force
And if border force can start thinking about Nazi control of our streets, where does that then lead to for asylum seekers? Nowhere but further down that long black rabbit hole I’m guessing.
Guardian Australia understands the role of Save the Children – providing welfare services for children and families on Nauru – will be taken over by Transfield
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/31/transfield-named-coalitions-preferred-tenderer-for-manus-and-nauru-centres?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
2319 .. #4corners on my abc tonight .. exposes wide-spread fraud against workers for 7-11 stores .. blows all of boo-of-melb`s bleating clear out of the water .. yet again
I’be tried to help. Really.
But you need to understand that being a personal troll has higher standards than a normal troll. Tour comments have to become more intelligent and challenging.
Otherwise you’ll find yourself out of a job.
That’s the harsh fact I’m afraid
I’ve
The corporate-fluffer usually struggles to make evidence-based comments, or `new` information discoveries, or thoughtful `independent` opinion. Even when introduced to new info that challenges his `pet` anti-onion topic, he is still `reduced` to discussing `avatar-color`, as he is unable to defend most of his previous `impoverished` bleating. .. #2319 .. #still.flying.over.hot.battlefields
Just for fun, teh-usa politics.
1.Will trump be prez.?
2.will the donald be the top repug.?
3.will trump end-up running as an indi.?
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PREDICTIONS 1.nope
2+3.who cares.? but it will be entertaining
blows all of boo-of-melb`s bleating clear out of the water
So, yomm is advised of workers being systematically ripped of by yommsmates ™ and all he can do is brag about a personal troll he thinks validate his heartlessness. Nice one yomm 😉
A panicking 7-Eleven Australia will spend millions of dollars paying storeholders to leave their businesses as it tries to head off a deepening crisis over worker exploitation and wage fraud.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/7eleven-panics-launches-buyback-in-wake-of-wage-abuse-scandal-20150831-gjbut9.html#ixzz3kQrrY9sI
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But my question is, where are the Unions in this? I gather they should/would be covered by the shoppies, about the only Union the #turc gave a free ride to, and probably the one union that really needs a fine toothed comb run through it. Oh, here they come, doing a Shorten, after the horse has bolted.
The shop workers’ union says it will win back wages for exploited 7-Eleven workers and has launched a dedicated hotline for employees who have been ripped-off.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/7eleven-union-vows-to-win-back-rippedoff-workers-wages-20150831-gjbjtt.html#ixzz3kQtM0gMM
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“Will trump be prez.?”
what a battle, trump or kanye lol
That’s some improvement by my personal troll/sock puppet.
C-
Tom R doing what he does best – recycling CFMEU propaganda.
In all the chaos around the CFMEU attacking the poor border farce Operation Run Like Hell last Friday, this at least wasn’t forgotten
On Friday, the Herald Sun broke the news that police had raided the CFMEU in Melbourne, complete with eyewitness accounts. There was only one problem…
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4303490.htm
The yabot grubmint seem to think they have something very big on the CFMEU Everyone is out attacking them. Which to mean indicates more fear that certainty.
recycling CFMEU propaganda.
Propaganda? Actually, according to the dictionary, it seems as if it is the fin doing the “propaganda” by Making Shit Up
ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.
Again, the ALP proposes to use the same power of the monarchy that got Whitlam sacked, against Heydon.
The ALP – controlled by time serving hacks, factional warlords and pathetic hypocrites
Again, the ALP proposes to use the same power of the monarchy that got Whitlam sacked, against Heydon.
Well, if heydon cannot use common sense, then it really is up to the ALP to use (note, not misuse) the powers that they have.
And, when that fails, the Unions will have to go to the High Court. I wonder just what those current High Court judges make of the 67 pages of “I didn’t read it”?
That’s 67 pages of well reasoned rebuttal of the union’s case.
There is a legal process for appealing Heydon’s decision, but there is no little doubt that an appeal would fail. The unions don’t have a case that can succeed.
So rather than observing legal process, we can expect the ALP and their union owners to lapse into their comfort zone – mud slinging
“ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.”
Precisely you transparent shill – every comment you make is some version of Unionland über alles!
That graphic in your last CFMEU re-tweet is utterly dishonest. Why is the CFMEU making those points now when it conceded before Heydon that “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification.”
“mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification.”
It is irrelevant to the tweet, because the defense heydon makes there is that it is “unsustainable” that it was a lib event from the emails, when the emails were very clear about what it was.
But to your comment, it would be because, I think, if you were to examine their full “concession”, it would revolve around “if he wasn’t in an rc attacking the Unions or wtte
I have seen where heydon interprets their concession as such, I’d like to see where the Unions say that. In fact, from my readings (brief as they are) it seems to center very much around this,. That heydon seems to have dismissed it is quite important imo (but irrelevant to the tweet)
It would be informative to see this, because if that is the case, the Unions have buggered up in a big way, as it seems pretty central to their argument imo
This really annoys me, the linking of anti muslim sentiment and the media that reports all his stuff-ups. Murdoch doesn’t get a guernsey because his papers downplay all the incompetence from team abbott.
“Again, the ALP proposes to use the same power of the monarchy that got Whitlam sacked, against Heydon.”
I bet Shifty Shorten wishes his Mother in Law was still GG
This really annoys me, the linking of anti muslim sentiment
That’s Dopey Dick Dutton … saw the clip this morning … someone got a bollicking on the weekend and spent two days rehearsing what he was going to say … and even then he fucked it up!
Incompetent hypocrites all …
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I bet Shifty Shorten wishes his Mother in Law was still GG
I doubt it … and SIR (FMD) Peter … is blue thru and thru …
“It would be informative to see this, because if that is the case, the Unions have buggered up in a big way, as it seems pretty central to their argument imo”
FWIW, I don’t think that matters. The point isn’t about mere membership or presence at an event. it is about being the centrepiece of the event and giving the keynote speech.
In all the circumstances a fair minded person would apprehend the possibility of bias in this case by the fact of Heydon’s acceptance to be give a key address at a Liberal Party event.
I say “in this case”, because the conduct which gives rise to the apprehension of bias is relative to the matter at hand. In this case Heydon knew form the outset that it was likely he would make findings regarding the conduct of senior ALP politicians.
And, if he didn’t think it would “apprehend” bias, why did he say he can’t attend if it could be seen as a lib event?
His contradictions in his 67 pages is legion
Well the unions can test his decision if they choose.
But watch them lapse into their character assassination mode. That’s their preferred approach to matters that can be addressed through courts and tribunals.
That’s their preferred approach to matters that can be addressed through courts and tribunals.
As opposed to a court or tribunal set up to lapse into their character assassination mode of Unions
This really annoys me, the linking of anti muslim sentiment and the media that reports all his stuff-ups. Murdoch doesn’t get a guernsey because his papers downplay all the incompetence from team abbott.
It is quite clear that operation clusterfuck was organised just to push that anti- #notus feeling. It was designed to target #notus and to highlight just that they are #notuse
It is the only play the grubmint has left
Despite Kathy Jackson (for example) using union funds as a private bank account, union apologists still oppose greater regulation and governance.
Just yesterday Dutton was blaming the CFMEU for organising the spontaneous civil protest against the arrival of ABF stormtroopers.
All said with a perfectly straight face. Don’t you think he seems a little paranoid, just slightly unhinged right now?
Despite Kathy Jackson (for example) using union funds as a private bank account, union apologists still oppose greater regulation and governance.
And mr mantach wasn’t doing the same with the liberal party’s member funds?
I’m all for greater regulation & governance, not just one, but for all of them, time to clean up corporate australia and liberal party funding too.
Seems to me the biggest rorters are exposed by Unions, not Witch Hunts
The “witch hunt” lable looks increasingly stupid given the arrests and the dubious political donations already uncovered
The “witch hunt” lable looks increasingly apt considering the 67 pages of “I didn’t read it” as his sole defence.
Considering he cannot read printed out emails, not sure how anyone can interpret his interpretation of the Unions submissions.
Where were de Bruyn and the Shoppies’ Union when 7/11 gouged its workers?
Bloody good question ao 😉 https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/31/australias-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-was-bound-to-lead-to-something-like-border-force/#comment-114186
Where was the witch hunt into this total loss of a union>
There are plenty of brilliant people that don’t want the distraction of constant email interruption…that actually sounds efficient and pleasant.
If Heydon prefers to read paper, and use a pen, that hardly diminishes his legal capability.
But no doubt the unions will trot out this type of crap, and it will be a lead story in Fairfax and the ABC.
It is not a “witch hunt” it is a corruption hunt. Defenders of corruption call it a witch hunt, spinning for all they are worth for business as usual in Unionland.
The unions control the ALP and pay it millions of dollars in return for which they dictate suitable legislation to enable their corruption and they dictate which candidates get pre-selection:
“This is what happens when you are running a wholly owned subsidiary of the trade union movement – the trade union bosses call the shots and you just suck it up.”
Unions are the enemy of ordinary Australians, most of whom are not union members and do not want them running the show.
Hold the front page!!
HEYDON USES PEN & PAPER…more to come
” the 67 pages of “I didn’t read it” as his sole defence.”
You don’t need that excuse because you obviously can’t read, ignoramus. Or maybe you can read and you do think that, in which case you are mentally ill.
Heydon might only be using pen & paper, but he has plenty of communication through his underlings and his phone.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/31/hes-staying-no-bias-dyson-heydon-slices-his-reasons-deli-thin
…The timeline from the morning of 13 August goes like this:
9.00am: counsel assisting Jeremy Stoljar raises with Heydon a query from the bar association’s Chris Winslow about it being a Liberal party event.
9.23am: Heydon’s secretary advises the organisers that he is attending the dinner, but only if it is not “described” as a Liberal party event.
9.40am: the Sydney Morning Herald asks the commission for a comment about its story, soon to break.
9.53am: The commission’s PR man replies to the Sydney Morning Herald.
10.10am and 10.50am: two adjournments, during one of which Heydon speaks on the phone to attorney general George Brandis.
10.33am: the Sydney Morning Herald breaks the story.
10.35am: Herald journalist Latika Bourke tweets the story.
11.33am: the royal commission issues a media release announcing Heydon’s withdrawal from dinner.
We still do not know the factors at play that made Heydon change his mind in the space of two hours. What other communications were there? What did the commission say in emails to the Sydney Morning Herald? What was the nature of the communication with Brandis? None of that has been disclosed.
Heydon’s reasons stressed that there could be no apprehension of bias for attending and speaking at a Liberal party event, because Murray Gleeson had spoken the previous year and anyone could theoretically turn up, and it was not a fundraiser (even though it was).
The next important leg of the reasons was that the commissioner and the organiser “forgot” they had agreed that Heydon would only do the Barwick lecture if he was not sitting as commissioner. This is at odds with the email from Burton that Heydon showed Stoljar on the morning of 13 August.
That email contained a reminder about their understanding when the event was first arranged:…
“Where were de Bruyn and the Shoppies’ Union when 7/11 gouged its workers?”
Like most Unions probably shoring up their future pre-selection for nice comfy seats in Parliament.
union apologists still oppose greater regulation and governance.
And that is a BS call … the RC didn’t deal with Kathy Jackson – the darling of the tories … the UNIONS! BOO! Did …
I’d like to see more management controls for the member’s funds … and that can be undertaken within the ACTU (if they are smart) …
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“Where were de Bruyn and the Shoppies’ Union when 7/11 gouged its workers?”
Like most Unions probably shoring up their future pre-selection for nice comfy seats in Parliament.
Wasn’t this union tied up with the catliks and a sweetheart with Woolies a while back?
.Ahhhh …
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/why-is-the-union-that-represents-supermarket-workers-stopping-gay-marriage-20150430-1mwl32.html#ixzz3kS5LkUM6
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Funny – hey!
There are plenty of brilliant people that don’t want the distraction of constant email interruption…that actually sounds efficient and pleasant.
If Heydon prefers to read paper, and use a pen, that hardly diminishes his legal capability.
Starting to sound like Dopey Dick Dutton …
BTW, Kneel* – its the 21st Century not the 12th …
Unions are the enemy of ordinary Australians, most of whom are not union members and do not want them running the show.
Link?
How do they compare to the Abbott Government?
Abbott: It’s business as usual at the Trade Union Royal Commission today – the key to more honest Labor Party.
Well that tells a tale … the man is a Fuckwit© of the Highest Order … along with the deceitful Commissioner Heydon …
This lot have destroyed just about every institution in this country – except the catlik church
9.00am: counsel assisting Jeremy Stoljar raises with Heydon a query from the bar association’s Chris Winslow about it being a Liberal party event.
This Chris Winslow guy is interesting
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/glenwood-residents-association-president-to-contest-federal-election-after-winning-greens-preselection/story-fngr8i5s-1227497973727
THE federal election campaign for Greenway has begun with the announcement of Chris Winslow as the Greens Party candidate for the seat.
“…………………………….except the catlik church”
An elderly bigotted brain completely obsessed by hatred of the Catholic Church…..
LOL…….how amusing
that hardly diminishes his legal capability.
But not even reading those printed out, because the contents are allegedly beneath him, certainly diminishes his legal capability.
The fact that he cannot (allegedly) read emails, is bad enough, The fact that he refused (allegedly) to read the print outs is astounding for a person being paid thousands of dollars of tax payers funds in order to attack the grubmints political rivals.
You don’t need that excuse because you obviously can’t read, ignoramus.
I cannot read in the Unions submissions where heydon could come to conclusion that “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification.” Perhaps you can help out?
…And that is a BS call … the RC didn’t deal with Kathy Jackson – the darling of the tories … the UNIONS! BOO! Did …
To the lay person in the street, that shows real bias, not apprehended bias. Heydon went easy on jackson as soon as he realised she was going to incriminate herself. Heydon protected jackson because she was a hero to the libs, to the point where he didn’t even mention her in his first report.
An elderly bigotted brain completely obsessed by hatred of the Catholic Church…..
Elderly – bigoted ? Who?
Obsessed … who?
Aggressive? who?
Hatred ? who – I don’t hate anyone or anything …
I thoroughly dislike hypocrites, thieves, liars and cheats … and I always know who they are from their comments … when the truth rears its ugly head … often members of the catlik conspiracy …
You’d do well to refresh your faith and have a look at AD Kingdom and Empire … the graphics are really good, the acting and the directing too but the script (a fairytale) is the same … I’m sure you’d relate …
Ya can fool some of the people some of the time …
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Heydon protected jackson because she was a hero to the libs, to the point where he didn’t even mention her in his first report.
Add that to the list of apprehended bias …
“You’d do well to refresh your faith and have a look at AD Kingdom and Empire … the graphics are really good,…..”
Downloaded illegally no doubt.
What’s that about Thieves and Robber Barons ?
Downloaded illegally no doubt.
Stupid is …
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http://www.ourguide.com.au/searcher.php?region=Brisbane&date=all&type=other&show=Kingdom+and+Empire&searchButton=+Search+&u=%2Ftv_guide.php%3Fr%3DBrisbane
The real issue is that’s how you always comment — feet first … or head up … no research no checking … just follow the sheeples … from the tories to the sip of wine on Sundays …
It’s not hard FFS!
What’s that about Thieves and Robber Barons ?
But you don’t want me to chastise the catiks … make yer fkn mind up …
Can you send emails, Walter … I know your a busy man and you may need your man to print them for you … ?
And that just dawned on me … other people are busy too and they all use emails (in business) to actually speed stuff UP!
It’s time for Unionland to put up or shut up.
If the unions and the ALP do not challenge Heydon’s ruling in the High Court then they cannot be taken seriously if they continue to whine about bias and play politics with this issue. They either challenge the decision or they accept it.
fucken idiots
https://twitter.com/robcorr/status/638585832345985024
“@robcorr’s Tweets are protected.”
He probably doesn’t his precious tweets spread about willy-nilly! Hell they could end up on some unsavoury trash heap!
ABC Headline:
“Fairfax leading jihad to bring down Abbott Government, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton says”
Dutton is wrong and the ABC is hopping mad about it! Everyone knows the ABC is leading the jihad!
There is 67 pages of well reasoned argument from Heydon.
Unions can see whether they can challenge it but watch them continue character assassination regardless. Unions will always default to their greatest expertise.
“… from the tories to the sip of wine on Sundays …”
Oh here’s TB looking rather uniformed up
Dashed handsome chap that TB, what?
Yes, but the Pet he kept may be his real problem.
There is 67 pages of well reasoned argument from Heydon.
67 pages to say “I didn’t read it”
His defence of apprehension of bias is ignorance.
And still nobody ca show how he came to the conclusion that “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification”?
“And still nobody ca show how he came to the conclusion that “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification”?”
He didn’t conclude that – the CFMEU and the ACTU did. Heydon accepted their position.
“67 pages to say “I didn’t read it””
Why beclown yourself by droning on with this obvious lie? Frankly, I enjoyed reading the judgment. It is well written. Either you haven’t read it or you are a completely dishonest unionland stooge.
Anyway, it is put up or shut-up time for the unions. Either they appeal or they go away with their tail between their legs. If they don’t appeal then they will be laughed at every time they screech about bias.
They either challenge the decision or they accept it.
And play the game they’ve been given … dodgy players who forget, have trouble with technology, rely on other people to tell them things …
Even you could make a farce of the shambles this RC has become … it really is hilarious the way Shakespeare got this sort of shite right!
Deceived? But who was … ?
LOL!
++++++++++++++++++
Oh here’s TB looking rather uniformed up
Dashed handsome chap that TB, what?
http://www.psychguides.com/guides/how-to-find-help-treating-psychosis/
He didn’t conclude that – the CFMEU and the ACTU did.
And I’m asking for you to show me where they said that. I googled that comment, it goes to heydons decision, where he said they concluded that. I cannot find where they did.
Yes, but the Pet he kept may be his real problem.
I don’t care as long as he stays on …
If they don’t appeal then they will be laughed at every time they screech about bias.
And Heydon will be laughed at every time he opens his mouth … or tries to read something or picks up a pen, or asks a question or tries to bully, lead or cajole a witness …
If I was the ACTU I’d leave it alone and let it fester … and burst – just before the election … this can be used and manipulated very easily to bring down Abbott …
I’m lovin’ it!
Bronwyn Bishop in ultra slow mo …
Bloody hell … a witch hunt!
Lorrie obviously doesn’t keep up with the world … <
Guffaw!
Adults in charge and open for business …
Where’s all the infrastructure work??????????????????
Guffaw!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-dollar-tipped-to-fall-below-60-cents/story-fnu2pwk8-1227508056671
Nothing to look at in the CFMEU… no nothing at all. It’s all a witch hunt, and that’s true!
The FACT that the CFMEU offered Boral $$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS AND MILLIONS to settle some pesky litigation really means nothing. That’s just the cost of being a law abiding union
clive”””#DysonHeydon needs to look at why members of the federal #Liberal #executive were denied access to @LiberalAus accounts for 5 years #auspol
, Clive Palmer (@CliveFPalmer) August 31, 2015”””
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clive”””#DysonHeydon needs to investigate the full #Cesspool not just part of it #RoyalCommission #auspol
, Clive Palmer (@CliveFPalmer) August 31, 2015””””
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#clive does a great job on twitter #go.clive
#the right-wing house-plants don`t realize `sir-dyson` deciding he will not create a perception of bias by remaining on the witch-hunt, just pushed the remaining fence-sitters to the other side of the fence
adam”””’As a Fairfax journo I have carefully considered all the evidence and I have cleared myself of bias #auspol #DysonHeydon
, Adam Gartrell (@adamgartrell) August 31, 2015”””’
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mike””””Where were de Bruyn and the Shoppies’ Union when 7/11 gouged its workers? Fretting about gay marriage, that’s where.
, Mike Carlton (@MikeCarlton01) August 31, 2015””””
#with 7-11 ripping-off near 100% of it`s workforce, the right-wing house-plants didn`t even have the brains to go after the low-hanging fruit, the `effectiveness` of the `shoppies-onion`, over-influenced by dog-club no doubt
#it is good to see the right-wing house-plants have provided plenty of fodder to those `evil`, evil lefty`s to beat them about the head with in the `election`year, really teabags, fancy having to put-up with carlton mocking you all the way to election-defeat:-)
buzzfeed””””Dutton claimed that Fairfax, which prints The Sydney Morning Herald and Melbourneâs The Age, had been waging a (holy?) war against the conservative government.
`The reality is that there is a bit of a jihad being conducted by Fairfax at the moment,` he said on Sky News, Tuesday morning.
Earlier, he claimed the state broadcaster, ABC was part of this conspiracy that is trying to destroy the Abbott government.””””
http://t.co/hoY94IyucR
#l saw this on the telly armchair, oh how l fcuking laughed at the dutton-zombie, teabag-media has finally decided to report from time to time that a crap govt is `actually` crap, and the dutton-zombie becomes quite unhinged, Let`s hope teabag-media do it again tomorrow:-)
t”””the Herald Sun broke the news that police had raided the CFMEU in Melb”””
#l know, a certain cubicle needed hosing out as well:-) #wet.dreams
tb”””being the centrepiece of the event and giving the keynote speech”””
#l agree teebz, to me this looks like the teabags got their buddy sir-dyson to run the witch-hunt, which they all expected to be done`n`dusted a while ago, sir-dyson would then get to brag to gloating teabags at the fund-raiser
#that was the plan, the fly in the ointment is the witch-hunt took longer than the teabags expected and it fcuked-up the teabags calender of events and gloating
Humanity to be proud of.
Government official proposes new hiring laws by eliminating Australian workers:
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/government-official-proposes-new-hiring-laws-by-eliminating-australian-workers/story-fns0jze1-1227508468291
…TONY Abbott’s commitment to protect Australian jobs has been battered by a company’s claim it was advised by a Government official to sack local staff and hire cheaper foreigners.
A cruise line executive has accused the official of advising he soften the blow to the company payroll from proposed new hiring laws by eliminating Australian workers.
North Star Cruises told a Senate inquiry the senior Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development bureaucrat suggested the company move operations to another country with cheaper wage rates…
That story highlights just all that is wrong with the CHAFTA doesn’t it ao. This grubmint is just too keen to sell out Aussie jobs, for what reason? Who knows. But the evidence shows it is so
And, the way around the CHAFTA cock up is there, according to Craig Emerson, which doesn’t involve re-negotiations with China. Not ideal, but better than the open slather this agreement currently promises.
A pathway exists for the successful passage of the Australia-China free trade agreement. But for both political parties to clear the thicket blocking it and walk down it together requires an appreciation of the facts. The key fact is that, contrary to government assertions, the agreement does not require labour market testing to determine whether Australian workers are available before issuing visas to Chinese workers.
…….
Based on these facts, the solution is clear – pass legislation obliging all Australian governments to apply labour market testing in respect of all future trade agreements. This would not require amending or renegotiating the China-Australia agreement. It would be a separate piece of legislation relating to all future agreements, not just to the China-Australia agreement. Since the Abbott government claims that labour market testing will apply and asserts this is clear from the text of the China-Australia agreement it should have no difficulty supporting such a bill.
http://craigemersoneconomics.com/economic-notes/2015/9/1/clearing-the-fta-labour-thicket
Instead, I envision a campaign of lies and misrepresentation in order to bully the ALP and Unions into backing down.
CHINA will turn its attention to South America if Australia backs away from a landmark free-trade agreement, according to National Farmers’ Federation chief executive Simon Talbot.
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/politics/china-will-look-to-south-america-if-labor-derails-free-trade-agreement/story-fnkerdda-1227507772745
yabot, the best friend of workers. It’s like a kiss of death having that snake telling you he is your best friend
That story highlights just all that is wrong with the CHAFTA doesn’t it ao.
It highlights for me that the Abbott Government is interested in jobs and growth for another country … any other country but this one …
You can see why they want the last vestiges of the unions BOO! gone …
You can see why they want the ALP gone …
Because everything this government has said (it ain’t actually done much) is twisted in its own ideological twist on the narrow minded world around them … and everything seems to shift and change and contradict the last message … its all about control and manipulation, as if there is a secret master plan to rule all Australians with an iron fist …
Peta Credlin must really be a piece of work … judging by the shite that dribbles from lips of most front benchers … (no, ToM, its not benches)
Start with one industry and work your way through until we have a Chinese Commercial Invasion … how many China towns are there around the world again? 聪明 …
At least if Bill Shorten, and whoever may take the leadership in the future, says they are for jobs and growth we’ll know its for the Australian people …
And still nobody ca show how he came to the conclusion that “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification”?
And I can tell you why nobody can produce where the Unions “conceded” that. It’s because they didn’t, they don’t even come close. In fact, their application rested on the exact opposite of what he claims they conceded. No wonder he found himself not biased, he’s seeing what he wants to see. I think there is a word for that?
http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/21-August-2015-Public-hearing.aspx
http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/31-August-2015-Public-hearing.aspx
Knock yourselves out.
The question is, should the Unions take it further?
Labors play in the Senate won’t succeed, but, if the Senate vote with labor, it will just add further to the stench hanging around the #turc But the Unions will wait on that to play out anyway. But once that is done, will they/should they pursue Heydon in the High Court ?
I have read some articles that claim they have nothing to gain from it. #turc is supposed to wrap in under 2 months, so the story goes, and if they win, it will simply reset the timeline, dragging #turc into the election year. And if they lose, well, it just gives credence to #turc that it currently doesn’t have.
Personally, considering #turc was supposed to wrap up months ago, but yabot dragged it on (which precipitated heysons current problems). I’m perfectly confident he is not worried about extending it further for his political ends. So the Unions should go to the High Court imo.
It highlights for me that the Abbott Government is interested in jobs and growth for another country … any other country but this one …
And yet some claim that this mob had nothing to do with the closure of the automotive industry in this country. They are the reason.
Yesterday the Counsel Assisting #TURC, Mr Jeremy Stoljar SC, conceded that union EBAs protect workers against bosses. The libs want this protection removed, which is why they have a witch hunt.
In fact, yesterday highlighted admirably the kind of benevolence the Unions deal with daily.
http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/1-September-2015-Public-hearing.aspx
Dyson Heydon gave a superb judgment explaining how a scrupulous jurist determined to ignore the political context of his inquiry might not think he’s biased. He just did a lousy job putting himself in the shoes of the man on the street
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-02/karp-heydon-gave-a-lawyers-response-to-a-laymans-test/6740164
I don’t know about a “superb judgment ” considering how badly he “misinterpreted” the Unions position, but he did go a long way out of his way to avoid the central question, which left him pretty much able to conclude whatever he wanted.
imo 😉
No wonder he found himself not biased, he’s seeing what he wants to see. I think there is a word for that?
Fuckwit©?
So the Unions should go to the High Court imo.
Disagree … let it run there will numerous opportunities to make Heydon look the fool he is … discrediting his competence even further will only bring further disrepute to him and the RC … and indirectly to the judicial process …
Surely this is like having a judge in the 18th Century who still can’t write but most of the population can …
Not to be able to read and write emails is almost illiterate in 2015 … and to say he didn’t realise it was a fundraiser (even if they only raised 5c) and the mere implication let alone an invitation with a a bloody great Liberal Party Logo on the top would have sparked something Machiavellian in a person with a smattering of legal and political acumen … and don’t tell me that a man with such an overblown ego didn’t want to see the invitation with his name on it BEFORE it was issued?
Is there evidence I wonder of his receiving the invitation?
Doomed to repeat.
Perhaps it’s not a good time for joe hockey to be letting the banks off their commitments.
Is there evidence I wonder of his receiving the invitation?
From my understanding, it was printed out for him. Not sure if he conceded reading it. But either way, incompetence or bias, it’s unbelievable anybody takes him seriously now (cue yomm and his “67 pages of well reasoned rebuttal of the union’s case.”)
Perhaps it’s not a good time for joe hockey to be letting the banks off their commitments.
Not that you are saying that there ever IS a good time hey ao 😉
But, it is so obvious. They want to up the GST, which hurts the worst off most, and at the same time they let the banks off.
“And I’m asking for you to show me where they said that. I googled that comment, it goes to heydons decision, where he said they concluded that. I cannot find where they did.”
You are such a slimy turd, Tom R. As with most of your assertions, you are wilfully wrong on this. You’ve already shown you can read a transcript.
You’ll find the ACTU’s concession and the reasons for it in the second of the transcripts linked at this page.
The simple fact is that if Heydon has, as you so wantonly assert, badly misinterpreted the union submissions then an appeal should be a sure winner.
It is time for the unions to put up or shut-up.
Not to be able to read and write emails is almost illiterate in 2015
http://www.news.com.au/technology/broadband-champion-tony-windsor-cant-use-a-computer/story-e6frfro0-1225916132088
Lots of older people have never learned how to use a computer. Windsor does use a Blackberry so most probably reads emails on that but he cannot use a computer.
ON Tony Windsor’s desk in his NSW Tamworth office yesterday were a carton of apples, a bag of large grapefruit, a CD by C&W singer Graeme Connors, piles of newspapers and documents.
But no computer.
That’s because the man who gave Labor government because he backed its plan for a national broadband network, cannot use a computer.
“I can’t even operate a computer. I haven’t got one on my desk. But I’ve got people in here who can,” he said.
You’ll find the ACTU’s concession and the reasons for it in the second of the transcripts linked at this page.
You’ll have to be more specific. This is the closest I see them addressing it, and it still spells out the opposite to me. Unless you see it being re-clarified elsewhere?
As you can see, it does say “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification” but that ignore their thrust, which I assume was his aim, was that he was SPEAKING at a political function, and lending his name to further their funding. So, heydon has ignored that central point, and cherry picked an irrelevance and chosen to use that to defend himself.
Meanwhile, why the #turc is still a farce
“As you can see, it does say “mere membership of the Liberal Party, or mere attendance at its functions, would not warrant disqualification” but that ignore their thrust, which I assume was his aim, was that he was SPEAKING at a political function, and lending his name to further their funding. So, heydon has ignored that central point, and cherry picked an irrelevance and chosen to use that to defend himself.”
Now you are twisting in the wind. So you now agree that your earlier suggestion that Heydon was making shit up was wrong?
What you call the “thrust” is the actual submission. As you know, I agree that the fact of agreeing to speak at a Liberal event is enough to disqualify him. What I object to is that you are so blatantly partisan you end up repeating every stupid talking point of the CFMEU. Thinking for yourself is so much more fun. 🙂
So you now agree that your earlier suggestion that Heydon was making shit up was wrong?
No, I agree with my earlier statement, that there was more to it.
But to your comment, it would be because, I think, if you were to examine their full “concession”, it would revolve around “if he wasn’t in an rc attacking the Unions or wtte
He’s cherry picking, and leaving out very important and valid criticism of him. He wasn’t simply attending an event, he was SPEAKING at the event, which was clarified by the Union AS THEIR POINT.
Heydon, and you above here both have misrepresented their position, and then used that misrepresentation to try and dismiss other valid points.
It’s quite deceptive what is being said.
What I object to is that you are so blatantly partisan you end up repeating every stupid talking point of the CFMEU.
Perhaps you can link to where the CFMEU has raised this issue then?
And lolz, Bill “Subway” Shorten puts his foot in it.
Awkward for the ColouredCartonCounters of Oztraya
“He’s cherry picking, and leaving out a very important and valid criticism of him.”
OK. Have it your way – you are just plain stupid. He didn’t cherry-pick. In no sane universe can you read that into his decision.
Heydon didn’t deal with the issue of mere party membership or mere attendance at Liberal Party functions because he didn’t have to – that issue was not put to him by the parties.
He did deal with the issue of speaking at a Liberal party function. I disagree with him on this but I am not so stupid as to make up shit about what is, overall, very well written decision.
Also he did explain, quite compellingly, why the ACTU submission that it was to be seen as a fund-raising function is wrong. Obviously his reasoning on this point is also beyond your ken.
If his judgment is as defective as you say then doubtless there will be a successful appeal.
But there won’t be! The unions now have an opportunity to put up or shut-up. It is fairly obvious they don’t have the courage to appeal so from now on the answer to any accusation of bias from them is to tell them to shut the fuck up and stop bleating because they were too gutless to even lodge an appeal.
OK. Have it your way – you are just plain stupid.
That may be, but I saw you try and use the weasel excuse like he did to a post I did, and you got busted for being ……….. stupid is probably too harsh a word 😉
He did deal with the issue of speaking at a Liberal party function.
Again, by ommitting pesky facts, this time that there was an RC involved in the equation.
Obviously his reasoning on this point is also beyond your ken.
What, the “I didn’t read it” excuse? You are right, for a High Court judge to use that as a defense IS beyond my ken.
because they were too gutless to even lodge an appeal.
Time will tell on that. Like I posted above, I think they should, but at the same time, there are quite a few reasons not to.
And another reason I forgot above is the cost. They have already sunk millions of dollars of members money into supplying information to a tax payer funded witch hunt. They might choose the option of hoping this time it actually does wrap up when it is supposed to.
And, unlike heydon, they HAVE supplied all the information, not in dribs and drabs as they get found out.
Ýeah!!
What right has anyone to look at upstanding unions like the CFMEU!!
Just because they offer to pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS & MILLIONS as a result of their illegal activities, well that means absolutely nothing.
LAWFUL BEHAVIOUR IS 1000% OPTIONAL FOR OUR UNIONS!!!
Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/construction/boral-says-cfmeu-boycott-has-cost-20m-20150824-gj6a4h#ixzz3kYVso9df
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“What, the “I didn’t read it” excuse? “
I suggest you read his decision. You can’t have read it already or you wouldn’t make such deceitful comments. Start at para 142.
The “I didn’t read it” excuse is the only explanation for your complete ignorance of Heydon’s reasons for decision.
The unions won’t put up so it is about time they shut-up. Same for their flunkeys like your good self.
Also he did explain, quite compellingly, why the ACTU submission that it was to be seen as a fund-raising function is wrong. Obviously his reasoning on this point is also beyond your ken.
But it was a fundraiser … that’s (supposedly) why he cancelled … each way bet there … like all of the shite Heydon has come up with …
He’s lost his marbles … and he walks and talks like a creeping jesus …
Is that what he said TB? Or is that your personal interpretation?
…and this afternoon I’ll be enjoying my favourite view of Brisbane – from seat 2a of the 5pm service out of the place.
“But it was a fundraiser “
No it wasn’t.
“that’s (supposedly) why he cancelled”
Wrong again. He actually said: “If there was any possibility that the event could be described as a Liberal Party event he will be unable to give the address, at least whilst he is in the position of Royal Commissioner.”
Do try to get on top of the facts.
I think ToM made sense when he used bullet points…
From where I sit, his blogging ‘technique’ has deteriorated markedly in recent weeks, despite having the benefit of a personal troll for support.
Rather than focus on making more sense, he simply resorts to lambasting his personal troll for a less than satisfactory performance…
A “look over there” distraction if ever there was one…..
IT’S A DISGRACE!!!
Do try to get on top of the facts.
I am … just because it’s “written” by Heydon you seem to be perpetuating Heydon’s BS …
The man is lying … he is a Liberal puppet … this reasonable man says so … easy … hos many do you need – legally?
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/sep/02/the-weekly-beast-the-australian-shows-its-a-class-act-with-added-good-taste?CMP=soc_568
“The man is lying …”
What you really mean is that you were talking bullshit previously and now you have doubled down on your own ignorance. OTOH, if you think the event was a fund-raiser provide the proof and if you think that was the reason he supposedly cancelled, again provide the proof. So far, on the available evidence, the only man lying is you.
Of course, if you are right and he is lying, that should make the unions’ appeal to the High Court a sure thing! But of course the unions won’t appeal. They won’t appeal because Heydon isn’t lying and hasn’t misrepresented their arguments and, in fact, has written a very good decision (as you would expect from one of the country’s truly great legal minds). So the unions can just fuck off with their claims of bias. Or they can appeal.
Abbott now playing ‘Who’s The Biggest Liar’ with Australian small business, who seems more than happy to call his bluff, and repeat their claim that the government gave advice to just dump Australian jobs. On News.com, no less…
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/tony-abbott-denies-sack-the-aussies-advice-to-cruise-line/story-fnu2pwk8-1227509323891
“The PM today branded “just not true” the statement by West Australia’s North Star Cruises that it twice was told by bureaucrats to hire foreign workers.
But a company spokesman today said, “I do not tell lies.” ”
“However, Bill Milby, a spokesman for the luxury cruise line today stood by the accusation he made in the Senate submission and recalled a conversation with a senior Transport Department official in May.
“She said to me there and then, ‘Well we are in an international environment so we have to learn to compete on the international market. Maybe you should look at deregistering your Australian ship’ — in other words taking it off the shipping register — ‘and perhaps put on a foreign flag which will allow you to put on a foreign crew which will reduce your wages cost’,” he told ABC radio in Perth.
“I was staggered. I was really surprised it was somebody from Canberra representing this department telling me that.”
The advice clashes with assurances from Prime Minister Abbott that the Government is protecting and growing employment as an priority, and feeds into Labor’s concerns the China Free Trade Agreement could give Australian jobs to Chinese workers.”
‘FREE Trade Agreement , my arse…
And who, in that exchange has the greater magnitude of a reputation for mistruth?
Fuck AbbottCorp.
Another thing I can tell you the China ‘free’ Trade Agreement does is remove all tariffs on importing paper from China…but leave 100% of them on exporting paper to China…seems fair?
So far, on the available evidence, the only man lying is you.
I find that very offensive!
I’m not obfuscating and defending a liar and Liberal Party puppet … who is hiding behind the cloak of upper class 17th century tory legalise.
Heydon was caught out and is trying to do what Bronwyn Bishop was unable to do, bluff the storm, because she didn’t have the clout of an ex High Court Justice (who would dare) … a man who is being willingly controlled to bring down a political party …
If you can’t see that then you are not as bright as you constantly tell us you are and certainly don’t comprehend (British) history … weasely words don’t cut it … and your obsession with unions, just like ToM, clouds an otherwise intelligent mind …
Your slip is showing, sir!
Subway Shorten has been reading Emerson
Opposition leader Bill Shorten has stressed that Labor does not want to make any changes to the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement. It just wants the government to enshrine in legislation its claimed safeguards for Australian jobs.
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/craig-emerson-backs-call-for-china-fta-safeguards-20150901-gjd1ej?stb=twt#ixzz3kZNaAeOH
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And yabots now calling businessmen liars is he toilet, nice
sb, heydons excuse(s) for it not being a fundraiser are ludicrous. They are defensive shrieks that make Bart Simpson look good.
• I didn’t read it
• It doesn’t raise enough (perhaps) to be called a fundraiser
• You can’t see my emails, I’m an rc commissioner (wtf)
• My mate sent an email (once we were busted) that it wasn’t a fundraiser (my favourite)
Personally, I reckon the Union are better of just drip feeding this desperate attempt to pretend he’s innocent, bit by bit. Cooked by his own bias.
Just for sb 🙂
Another thing I can tell you the China ‘free’ Trade Agreement does is remove all tariffs on importing paper from China…but leave 100% of them on exporting paper to China…seems fair?
Having had Chinese clients … they will already have the wheels in motion, toylet.
I can’t help thinking that this kindy government may think that assisting China may improve their bottom line and lead to an upturn in Chinese productivity that then requires Australia to be able to regenerate the mining boom …
Far-fetched? Most of the Libs believe in the AD Kingdom & Empire fairytale …
I must say for most folk tho’ this last two years has been a fkn nightmare!
And the CFTA has been in the kitchen for ten years … there is a reason for that … and the “adults” turn up and want to sell the farm … and we can see how well they manage the economy … aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
• It doesn’t raise enough (perhaps) to be called a fundraiser
WGAF! 1c raised is a fundraiser … I’ve been on enough to know!
Personally, I reckon the Union are better of just drip feeding this desperate attempt to pretend he’s innocent, bit by bit. Cooked by his own bias.
Ya coming round to may thoughts, TR?
my thoughts – its fkn September already … 🙂
Oh, Dear …
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/02/canning-byelection-liberal-candidate-andrew-hastie-takes-one-for-abbott
* Thanks for the suggestion
For the Abbott apologists … now, gentlemen, don’t play the man … or the messenger … look at the FACTS …
http://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2015/sep/02/economic-management-is-now-tony-abbotts-weakest-claim-to-re-election
For the Abbott apologists … now, gentlemen, don’t play the man … or the messenger … look at the FACTS …
Says the man who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%. In fact so did the majority of the country.
Fact is the current unemployment rate is close to a record low for the Hawke/Keating govt. But i agree there is a budget emergency but nobody seems to care.
Yes, Neil. AbbottCorp is studiously avoiding using the ‘budget emergency’ hyperbole anymore…because they don’t really seem to care about it.
What they do care about is only governing for those to whom they’re beholden & desperately scrambling to be re-elected next year (which means that ongoing clamour about the ‘budget emergency’, after having been in government for a couple of years, is no longer politically expedient & is in fact politically damaging. Know them by their words, recognise them by their actions).
The Abbott government has created a budget emergency …
* blame LaborLaborLabor
They stopped trying to ‘fix’ (read: implement their ideological wishlist of punitive neoconservative cuts) the ’emergency’ when it became clear to them that the mug punters weren’t dumb enough not to notice the cynical, undeclared fashion in which they were doing it was political suicide. They’ve spent the last year just trying to paper over the gaping credibility chasm & hoping we’d all forget their true intent…but they got arrogant early, on their first Budget & overplayed their hand in hubris (cigar smoking all the way to opinion poll devastation).
Politically autistic.
Politically autistic.
And vindictive
* It looks like “Progressive Global Energy & Natural Resources” aren’t familiar with the law.
Right-Wingers Led A Simulated Global Politics Game. Guess How Many Virtual People They Killed.
https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/02/war-games-psychology-behind-border-force-stalling-action-climate-change-and-bombing-syria#sthash.b6lGVad5.dpuf
…It looks like Team Australia, smells like Team Australia, sounds like Team Australia. But in fact it was a game used to simulate real world global politics, and the results were startling. Back in the real world, Dr Lissa Johnson looks at the collision of government and fantasy in the lucky country…
t”””Record fall in tobacco consumption over the past 12 months”””
#correction””Record fall in `white-market`tobacco consumption over the past 12 months””
#team.nanny.roxon #wink.wink
guardian”””the Oz complained about the `trashing`of`media`standards` and the `devaluing`of`journalistic`experience”””via-ao
#guffaw #send.in.the.clowns
#the loonie loonie limited-news looniness never ends does it
limited-news”””Crucial elements such as experience, fairness, good taste and social responsibility should not be sacrificed in the pursuit of Twitter-generated clicks or Facebook shares”””
#poor old limited-news only got one correct here, `fairness`, they omitted `facts`, particularly tested scientific `facts`, and `truthful` representation when using `quotes` from people, and not miss-leading their viewers. Limited-news regularly fails on all `these` points. Good to see they can still muster-up enough `front` to peddle bullshit tho.
limited-news”””In a separate submission Peter Cadwalladere, chairman of the Australian-owned Intercontinental Shipping Group said the Government laws would make his company `completely uncompetitive`.
Regional Development Minister band Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss has defended the proposed laws as a means of saving Australian businesses from fewer shipping options and higher costs.”””via-dunny
#the west-coast don`t like being dictated to, or damaged by east-coast teabumpkin and teabag dcikheads, even when they have their own teabags running their state(nation)
#prediction.1 goodbye canning teabags, notice `republic-distraction` died quickly and quietly this week.? (west-coast not republicans), nor will they like an east-coast stooge being parachuted into the west-coast, tho they will equally dislike blib, (soft-prediction, an indi for canning)
#prediction.2 west-coast premier will distance-self/hammer canberra imbeciles for fcuking about with `their` shipping
From KL’s link @ September 3, 2015 12:29 am
For a snapshot of the RWA psyche, in Altemeyer’s own words: “By now we know quite a bit about them… high RWAs have been proven to be relatively submissive to government injustices, unsupportive of civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, supportive of the Experimenter in the Milgram situation, high shockers themselves in a ‘punish the learner’ situation, punitive towards law-breakers, mean-spirited, ready to join government “posses” to run down almost everyone (including themselves), happy with traditional sex roles, strongly influenced by group norms, highly religious (especially in a fundamentalist way), and politically conservative (from the grass roots up to the pros, say studies of over 1,500 elected lawmakers).
“They also have remarkably compartmentalised minds, endorse a multitude of contradictory beliefs, apply a variety of double standards to their thinking on social matters, are blind to themselves, dogmatic, fearful of a dangerous world, and self-righteous to beat the band. “Right-wing Authoritarians are also relatively prejudiced, against just about any racial, ethnic or nationalistic minority you can think of, and against homosexuals, women… atheists, and other religious people who happen to belong to different faiths.”
On his University of Manitoba Website page Altemeyer adds that authoritarians are “enemies of freedom and equality” who “can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong” and are “almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence”.
Win or lose Canning … the Liberal Party (the Nats are just the wagging tail these days) is in deep shit next Federal Election … and rightly so … they have failed on every issue except destruction …
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/03/canning-byelection-poll-renewable-energy-trumps-national-security
“The invitation also solicited donations “
This is a lie. Perhaps you could show us some proof of this.
I find that very offensive!
But you have gone out of your way to call Heydon a liar yet you are the one putting about untrue statements –
That the event was a fund-raiser and that that is the “supposed” reason Heydon withdrew.
Now, if you are going out of your way to call Heydon a liar I assume you would have checked your facts which you could do easily enough. So now we have the situation where Heydon is telling the truth and you are not telling the truth and at the same time you are calling him a liar. I’m sure there is a name for this type of thing. 🙂
Perhaps you could show us some proof of this.
I’ll do it for him, because you pointed me to it yesterday, point 152 in heydons “I didn’t read it” disertation
The answer to the ACTU’s contention applies
equally even if it is to be inferred or assumed that I did read the RSVP. The RSVP did
not solicit donations from those attending the Address. The RSVP to the invitation only
contemplated donations being made by persons who were not attending the Address.
I see the lolstralian has a full front page advertising their complete lack of comprehension, either that, or their complete lack of care for truth in order to print a negative headline.
China FTA: Bill Shorten isolated as Labor leaders back trade agreement
…
Yesterday, Mr Shorten was forced to deny a rift with his state and territory colleagues after Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk, ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr and Tasmanian Labor leader Bryan Green joined Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill and NSW Labor leader Luke Foley in expressing support for the deal.
The deal has also been endorsed by Labor elders, including former prime minister and ACTU leader Bob Hawke, former foreign minister Bob Carr and former trade minister Simon Crean, who believe the wording of the agreement does not have to be revisited to protect workers from the use of cheap Chinese labour on Australian projects.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/china-fta-bill-shorten-isolated-as-labor-leaders-back-trade-agreement/story-fn59nm2j-1227509973759?sv=b1bdf984c71507dae828c87c83567c06
I’m guessing the lolstralian missed the part where Shorten (and the Unions) actually ARE supportive of an fta, as I pointed to further back up thread, they are just concerned about the provisions yabot put in that allow Chinese companies to circumvent our labour hire laws.
I don’t think it is ignorance on the lolstralians behalf though.
Yep, heydon’s a liar.
As the legal eagles have pointed out, the apprehended bias was when the sitting RC heydon initially accepted the invitation. Heydon in his reasoning has been careful to try and pretend it wasn’t a fundraiser [which everyone knows was] and make out it was a simple law lecture. he has looked everywhere but where he should, for excuses to cover his bias.
The attachment that somehow went missing from the emails and were handed over late contained a solicitation for funds, it drew attention to their donation requirement.
Another thing the legal minds have pointed out was heydon’s refusal to cite the British American Tobacco Australia Services Limited v Laurie case:
…Heydon set out the doctrine of apprehended bias several years ago. In the joint judgment of Justices Heydon, Kiefel and Bell, in British American Tobacco Australia Services Limited v Laurie in 2011, their honours said:
It is fundamental to the administration of justice that the judge be neutral. It is for this reason that the appearance of departure from neutrality is a ground of disqualification. Because the rule is concerned with the appearance of bias, and not the actuality, it is the perception of the hypothetical observer that provides the yardstick. It is the public’s perception of neutrality with which the rule is concerned…
https://theconversation.com/heydons-email-trail-for-barwick-dinner-made-its-liberal-connections-clear-from-the-start-46211
the Liberal Party (the Nats are just the wagging tail these days) is in deep shit next Federal Election … and rightly so … they have failed on every issue except destruction …
The Coalition have not trashed anything like Rudd/Gillard did.
Labor trashed the budget
Labor trashed our borders
Labor greatly increased our unemployment rate
Labor destroyed our car manufacturing industry
• Will the unions appeal Heydon’s decision and suffer another humiliating loss?
• Or will they not appeal and suffer the ignominy of having to just suck up the “biased” decision?
The unions have the legal rights, but they don’t like being only limited to whatever is so called “legal”
“pretend it wasn’t a fundraiser [which everyone knows was] “
Well there you have it – proof positive. Or lefty hearsay which is the same thing, isn’t it?
I’ll do it for him, because you pointed me to it yesterday, point 152 in heydons … dissertation”
Poor TB. He doesn’t need help like that. The passage you quoted is authority for the fact that donations were sought from people not attending the lecture. It certainly does not demonstrate that the function was intended to be a fund-raiser!
The unions can appeal this but they won’t, will they? They have no standing to whine about bias – put up or shut-up.
Will the unions appeal Heydon’s decision and suffer another humiliating loss?
Somehow, I don’t think having a biased person declaring themselves not biased can be seen as a loss, especially when the main defense is “I didn’t read it”.
I mean, it’s not a fundraiser because “it’s not a very good fundraiser” ROFL
That’s the only sort of fundraisers libs do these days, not very good ones
“The unions have the legal rights, but they don’t like being only limited to whatever is so called “legal””
As if the CFMEU and their Bandido business partners care about “legal”. No wonder the former National President of the ALP is in jail. And no wonder the unions are shit-scared of the Royal Commission.
For sb, who suffers from short term memory loss
“The invitation also solicited donations “
This is a lie. Perhaps you could show us some proof of this.
Note the part that says “The invitation also solicited donations “ 😉
Since and RSVP comes with an invitation, and the RSVP very specifically said, from heydons own words, ” The RSVP to the invitation only contemplated donations being made by persons who were not attending the Address.”
So, the RSVP “contemplated” (read, asked for) donations from people. The RSVP that was sent with the invitation.
Don’t make yourself look as stupid as heydon, if that is possible.
“Somehow, I don’t think having a biased person declaring themselves not biased can be seen as a loss, especially when the main defense is “I didn’t read it”.
They can’t lie there way out of it like that. Not even a genius troll such as yourself can make that BS excuse seem credible!
If the unions don’t appeal they lose all credibility. They either take it to an independent arbiter or STFU.
If the unions don’t appeal they lose all credibility.
They don’t need to. People have seen enough, and heard enough about heydon to realise he’s as biased as yabot is.
I hope they do, but, time will tell.
Either way, they will wait until after Labor has tried through the Senate first.
“Don’t make yourself look as stupid as heydon, if that is possible.”
You have not shown any proof that the event was intended to be a fundraiser. Specifically you have not been able to show that the RSVP is any evidence that the Lecture was intended to be a fund-raiser. FYI, the High Court is available to the Unions to clarify this matter if they feel hard done-by. Put up or shut-up.
“I pointed to further back up thread, they are just concerned about the provisions yabot put in that allow Chinese companies to circumvent our labour hire laws.”
So you are in fact implying (and you are no doubt about that ) that all the other ALP figures supporting the FTA did not even bother to read the FTA and have been hoodwinked and only fuckwit Shorten and his fellow fuckwits in the ALP and Unions are correct .
If China walk away from this Australia will be fucked.
Who is likely to get the better deal if they go about things the right way ?
Australia getting entry into a Market of 1,350,000,000 (That’s 56 times our size)
or
China getting entry into a Market of 24,000,000 (1.7% of their size)
Do the fucking Maths !
Commisioner heydon refused to accept “I didn’t read the attachments/documents” as an excuse from witnesses in his RC.
More drivel from two of the dumbest leftist twitterati, eh KL?
“Do the fucking Maths !”
You are speaking to the wrong people, Walrus. No point asking them about what they don’t understand.
So you are in fact implying (and you are no doubt about that ) that all the other ALP figures supporting the FTA did not even bother to read the FTA and have been hoodwinked and only fuckwit Shorten and his fellow fuckwits in the ALP and Unions are correct .
I’m “implying”, hang on, no, I’m saying, that the lolstraylian is misrepresenting all of the people in that to try and pretend their is a massive chasm, when there is most probably none at all.
“Do the fucking Maths !”
Others have
Also surprising are the ChAFTA’s provisions on market access and non-discrimination. Remarkably, the government has given Chinese companies a general right to buy resources and other assets in Australia – so-called market access – without getting the same right for Australian companies in China.
That is the free trade equivalent of exchanging your car for a pair of sneakers. It is a huge concession by Australia, in the context of the investment chapter.
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/news-events/all-stories/china-australia-free-trade-agreement
They don’t need to. People have seen enough, and heard enough about heydon to realise he’s as biased as yabot is.”
The response to this crap is easy –
• Unions had the right to appeal the decision
• They were given every opportunity to challenge it
• They chose to accept it without challenge
The alternative for the unions-
• Unions had the opportunity to appeal
• They exercised their rights
• Their submissions ran hundreds of pages
• The High Court comprehensively dismissed their appeal.
Suck it up unions
This is becoming pure intimidation
The royal commission into trade unions has demanded access to 80,000 building workers’ private details and the names of anyone who has attended a shop stewards’ meeting in Victoria.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/royal-commission-seeks-access-to-80000-building-workers-details-20150422-1mqrt5.html#ixzz3kd8m1hgE
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The response to this crap is easy –
• Unions had the right to appeal the decision
The response to this crap is easy –
• Unions HAVE the right to appeal the decision
#justsayin
“This is becoming pure intimidation”
I suppose you would know all about that, Tom R. Being a chronic CFMEU stooge.
Being a chronic CFMEU stooge.
Well, now you remind me, there was this
“What I object to is that you are so blatantly partisan you end up repeating every stupid talking point of the CFMEU.”
Perhaps you can link to where the CFMEU has raised this issue then?
So, can you point to where the CFMEU raised the issue about heydon selectively picking the Unions “concession”?
Julie Bohannan, wife of wealthy mining executive, jailed over $62,000 Centrelink fraud:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-02/wife-of-mining-executive-jailed-over-62k-social-security-payment/6744006
Too complicated. How many CFMEU tweets have you regurgitated here? I think “stooge” understates the degree to which your head is wedged up the great gaping CFMEU arse!
Too complicated.
Did you help heydon write his 67 page “I didn’t read it” dissertation?
http://takemetotherhythm.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/dynamic-tension.html?spref=tw
…In accepting the subject speaking engagement, Commissioner Heydon compromised the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. That is the integrity of all the proceedings over which Commissioner Heydon has presided are now compromised. The threshold was breached at agreeing to speak at the fundraiser. The magnitude of the function is irrelevant. Consequences flow from the breach. There is no proper basis for the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption to continue now. It has become irreparably compromised…
…There is also some incongruity about a Commission of Inquiry seeking to determine the truth, yet relevant correspondence which could perhaps clarify an issue in respect of that Inquiry not being produced by the Commissioner overseeing that Inquiry and an entity (the Liberal Party) which may have ultimately compromised that Commission of Inquiry…
…Conclusion
So it can be seen that significant tension has arisen as a result of Commissioner Heydon agreeing to give the speech to the Liberal Party fundraiser. I would resolve the dynamic tension by having Commissioner Heydon withdraw or stand down from the Commission of Inquiry. That would also be an approach which would encourage the community to have confidence in the Courts and the administration of justice…
“Did you help heydon write his 67 page “I didn’t read it” dissertation?”
As I’ve told you already I disagree with Heydon on the main issue. If I were the unions I would appeal and I would expect to win, more likely than not. But I’ve judged it as a reasonable person form my own point of view. Maybe lawyers, including the lawyers for the unions, see it differently and don’t want to waste money on an appeal they think they will lose?
If you are right that the Heydon decision amounts to no more than “I didn’t read it” then the appeal should be a lay-down misere. But sadly, as usual, you have got this completely arse-up. “I didn’t read it” is barely relevant to any of the points Heydon makes. Most of the decision is about other facts and arguments. The fact that you call it the “I didn’t read it dissertation” shows only that you are intellectually dishonest. But no doubt intellectual dishonesty is a coveted attribute in Unionland.
Fine AO, so it seems the unions have an unassailable case!! All they have to do is print out all that and read it to the court!
Heydon goes, unions win!
…but in reality, that won’t happen because unions don’t have a case and all the harping and whinging won’t change that.
Exactly, ToM. It is put up or shut-up time.
This is becoming pure intimidation
Has now become an Inquisition … but what do you expect from a bunch of Micks …
Hypocrites all …
Maybe lawyers, including the lawyers for the unions, see it differently and don’t want to waste money on an appeal they think they will lose?
Or they see it as a zero sum game. The bias of heydon has been highlighted, and the #turc farce is set to wrap up in a couple of months.
Even if/when they win, it will probably just precipitate a longer #turc.
Since it is a political tool, they would probably see their job done.
Although, as I said, I can see yabot extending this further, for his own political ends.
The fact that you call it the “I didn’t read it dissertation” shows only that you are intellectually dishonest
I only call it that since it is his recurring theme, and it ably highlights that recurring theme.
I could call it the “I didn’t read it, and it didn’t really raise that many funds” dissertation, but I like the clarity of my original 😉
lookedoverlooked
Has now become an Inquisition …
The inquisition this morning was quite informative of how much safer our sites are courtesy of our Unions
http://commcast.com.au/turc/
“……..but what do you expect from a bunch of Micks … ”
LOL
TB has woken up and has something to say
You can always tell a Queenslander by their teeth
…Heydon goes, unions win!…
or Heydon refuses to go and taints the results of the entire RC
or Heydon taints what should the end of his judicial career and legal legacy with bias and no confidence. Perhaps he doesn’t care, perhaps he’s full of ideology and judicial activism [which he has previously been scathing about in other judges]
The unions and the ALP want Heydon out.
The ALP wants him out so badly, they’re willing to turn into absolute hypocrites and urge the Governor General to use his “reserve powers” (the ones that were used by Kerr to dismiss Whitlam), to oust him.
The unions have the right to appeal Heydon’s ruling and all the barrackers have themselves in a lather because they consider the bias soooooo easy to demonstrate!
That’s fine, just get your unions to appeal. They win!!
The alternative is that they don’t appeal and are left with people (legitimately) saying-
• They have no case
• They were timid
• They’re full of bluster and crap
• They prefer character assassination to legal process
• Etc
“Heydon refuses to go and taints the results of the entire RC”
As at now, if the unions want Heydon gone they have the opportunity to put the matter before the High Court. Until they do that the issue of refusing to go doesn’t arise. Unless you think Heydon has some obligation to do whatever the CFMEU dictates. That may work in Unionland, but not under the rule of law. Unlike some around here Heydon is not a CFMEU lackey.
Time to put up or shut-up!
left with people (legitimately) saying-
• heydons biased
• #turc is a political stitch up
• yabots a lying sack
• hockeys bringing on a recession
• Etc
Unless you think Heydon has some obligation to do whatever the CFMEU dictates.
I think common sense is what should be dictating his action, not just the
CFMEUUnionsHim staying, after declaring himself to be too ignorant to be aware of bias, is all the Unions (and Labor) need.
“………….or Heydon refuses to go and taints the results of the entire RC”
Oh really…………….so the 4 arrests already made are pure acts of fantasy are they.
What about over 20 referrals to other authorities including DPPs ?
Are they acts of fantasy as well ?
This RC will be remembered by the evidence it produces and the resultant Court results if any. It wont be remembered for any perception of bias.
If nothing comes of it then it can be labelled a non productive witch hunt.
But LOL…………………..I dont think it will end up like that
“left with people (legitimately) saying-
• heydons biased
• #turc is a political stitch up
• yabots a lying sack
• hockeys bringing on a recession
• Etc”
The only “people” saying that are Unionland stooges. Everyone else understands it is put up or shut-up time for the unions. If the unions can’t be arsed referring the matter to the High Court then no one will take notice of pro-corruption trolls sprouting CFMEU lies.
fer toilet
Paul Sheehan at the SMH nails it:
Good lord what is going on in the fever swamps of Unionland? Sounds like one of Doofus Dreyfus’s great ideas. Involving the GG is going to get them precisely nowhere.
So now the ALP has decided that the GG should use his reserve powers???? Doofus has a great track record as a stinking hypocrite but this really takes the cake. Blessed St Gough is spinning in his grave as we speak!
Hmmmm, why would they choose this route rather than go to the High Court? It can’t be because they think they will convince the GG to interfere. There is no precedent for such action. And there is no way the GG will interfere. At worst he will simply point out that the Unions chose not to exhaust their legal remedies before the court and they should fuck off.
Seems to me like they now intend to tar and feather His Excellency General the Honourable Sir Peter Cosgrove AK MC (Retd) when he refuse to follow their diktat. Fucking genius move that will be. Go Doofus!
lol@sb, I saw that this morning
LOL indeed Tom R. Very fetching avatar. Nevertheless, the plan to involve the GG is sheer madness!
the plan to involve the GG is sheer madness!
Since madness is what they are countering, then perhaps madness is what is called for
Labor, unions question why first Dyson Heydon media emails were not released
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A good question
I see Sir Walter is peeing himself ’cause I said most of the Abbott ministery (lol) are Micks again … obviously the troof hurts …
Still Sir Walter provides his own brand of BS in tubs …
“fer toilet”
Thanks, TomR.
Yep. My Union, the CFMEU, has made us aware that the deal is a one sided knife in the guts for the industry. Presumably, they’re trying to highlight the peril this places my job in, with no requisite concession from China. How very thuggish & evil of my Union to draw attention to the gross imbalance being deliberately orchestrated!
You’ll have to go into politics, toylet, then you’ll be able to suck it up with them … although the trough may be empty after this lot’s finished with it!
Did I read The Abbott Mob has increased the budget by $110 billion in two years?
l see `our` compartmentalized (non)thinking house-plants spent the day defending one side of the coin, while totally ignoring the `other`side of the coin today. So, `our` teabags see nothing wrong with the witch-hunt that may catch a `few` grubs from teh-onions, but have absolutely nothing to say about `systematic` fraud perpetuated by `nearly` all 7-11 franchises, and 7-11-corporate, against `near`100% of their plebs.
#To think that this `picture` plays-well to the public/voter for mr-rabbit, canning, or the rest of the zombies, is a delusion `our` zombie-herd will hold until mr-rabbit leads the zombies down the rabbit-hole to oblivion, including the teabumpkins, provided blib doesn`t throw them too many lifelines. And we know we can`t count on blib NOT to do that.
#The good news is, at least the teabags have 67-pages of clap-trap to keep their spirits up. Until, that is, `sir-dyson`s own words are given back to him in replies by those `testifying`. l predict lots of people claiming they don`t read their emails, don`t know how to read attachments, and preferring ink and paper in a manner that would make godwin-gretch proud, and future `trials` may now feature rapists assuring the court they can sit in judgment of themselves without bias in 67-pages or so.