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“Nazi’s not as bad as IS” says Abbott

September 3, 2015

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Prime Minister Tony Abbott has argued that Islamic State is worse than the Nazis in World War Two.

‘The Nazis did terrible evil but they had sufficient sense of shame to try and hide it. These people boast about their evil. This is the extraordinary thing,’ Mr Abbott said on 2GB.

‘They act in the way medieval barbarians acted only they broadcast it to the world with an affrontery that is hard to credit and it just adds a further dimension to this evil.’

It comes after former commander of US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan general David Petraeus raised the prospect of Australia joining the air strikes against I.S. Targets in Syria.

At the 2015 Lowy Institute lecture on Wednesday, Mr Petraeus said bombing the militant group in Syria would add to the coalition’s efforts against the terror organisation.

Mr Abbott said the decision would be made next week, but emphasised everything possible needed to be done to defeat I.S.

The prime minister made similar comments last year on 2GB.

‘The atrocities that were committed by the Nazis, by the communists and others, they were ashamed of them, they tried to cover them up. This mob, by contrast, as soon as they’ve done something gruesome and ghastly and unspeakable, they’re advertising it on the internet for all to see which makes them, in my mind, nothing but a death cult,’ he said.

More than six million Jews were killed by Hitler’s Nazi regime and its collaborators from 1941 to 1945 in what is known as the Holocaust.

The Jewish community slammed Mr Abbott’s comments, labelling them “injudicious and unfortunate”.

“Whilst there is no question that Islamic State is a profoundly evil organisation, the Prime Minister’s comments suggesting that it is in some respects worse than the Nazis were injudicious and unfortunate,” Robert Goot, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, told News Corp Australia.

“The crimes of Islamic State are indeed horrific but cannot be compared to the systematic round-up of millions of people and their despatch to purpose built death camps for mass murder.

“There is a fundamental difference between organised acts of terrorism and a genocide systematically implemented by a state as essential policy.”

Later in the day the Prime Minister said he was not in the “business of ranking evil” and stood by his comments.

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2015 2:23 pm

    Was just going to comment on this … and up pops the post!

    We must be cyclic, sreb!

    Is there anybody left for Abbott or His Acolytes to anger … ?

  2. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2015 2:27 pm

    These people boast about their evil.

    Is he talking about border farce here?

  3. Desiree permalink
    September 3, 2015 3:12 pm

    I didn’t realise there was a competition for atrocities nor any need for ranking of crimes against humanity, nor that they be raced to some finishing line.

    They are, what they are – barbaric.

    If later the PM stated he wasn’t in the business of ranking, he obviously had been and at minimal was in the business of comparison.

    And someone needs to make the point to the PM that the Nazi’s didn’t hide it; the Nazi’s were systematic, unrelenting and maintained detailed records of their crimes (including filming) – none of which indicates shame. Nor does the fact, many Nazi’s convicted of their crimes against humanity pleaded “not guilty” and it was their own recordings that evidenced them guilty.

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 3:13 pm

    Gotta distract from this. Quick weekly security alerts!

    Economic management is now Tony Abbott’s weakest claim to re-election

    http://gu.com/p/4c2md?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

  5. September 3, 2015 3:23 pm

    What an absolute fuckwit!

    Hyperbolic crap.

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 3:34 pm

    “…Look, all I’m saying is that sometimes the Nazis get a bad wrap…”

    No wonder the libs have been so receptive to Nazis in their party. All that right wing extremism had to start somewhere!

    That mp who spoke at a neo Nazi type rally recently was quite ok by the libs.

    Fascists.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2015 4:34 pm

    I don’t think Wally agrees KL … I’m not sure what about but I don’t think he does either …

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 3, 2015 4:40 pm

    “No wonder the libs have been so receptive to Nazis in their party. All that right wing extremism had to start somewhere!

    That mp who spoke at a neo Nazi type rally recently was quite ok by the libs.

    Fascists.”

    Isn’t that the same sort of “hyperbolic crap” being complained about. Have you absolutely no self-awareness at all?

  9. September 3, 2015 4:49 pm

    Labelling government critical journalists as ‘Jihadists’ (a misnomer delightfully taken up by Bolt now)…more hyperbolic crap; of the highest order.

  10. September 3, 2015 4:58 pm

    And, speaking of hyperbolic hypocrisy, here is Bolt’s entirely expected rearguard defence of Abbott’s ill conceived conflation of Nazi Germany with IS.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/i_apologise_for_newscomau_we_should_be_better_than_fairfax/

    Any regular Bolt observer would be well aware of his penchant for squealing about Godwin’s committed by everyone (other than AbbottCorp) else.

    The man is a joke. Much like the Prime Minister he constantly finds himself running an embarrassing interference campaign for.

  11. September 3, 2015 5:00 pm

    Kneel would have already assimilated those Bolt articles. We can expect him to start regurgitating the illogic sometime soon.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 3, 2015 5:11 pm

    “the Nazi’s didn’t hide it”

    Really?

    Historians have documented evidence that as Germany’s defeat became imminent and the Nazi leaders realized they would most likely be captured and brought to trial, great effort was made to destroy all evidence of mass extermination. Heinrich Himmler instructed his camp commandants to destroy records, crematoria, and other signs of mass extermination.[22] As one of many examples, the bodies of the 25,000 mostly Latvian Jews whom Friedrich Jeckeln and the soldiers under his command had shot at Rumbula (near Riga) in late 1941 were dug up and burned in 1943.[23] Similar operations were undertaken at Belzec, Treblinka and other death camps.[22] In the infamous Posen speeches of October 1943 such as the one on October 4, Himmler explicitly referred to the extermination of the Jews of Europe and further stated that the genocide must be permanently kept secret

  13. September 3, 2015 5:17 pm

    ergo…IS conflated with Nazi Germany.

    Yeah right.

  14. September 3, 2015 5:18 pm

    Over state the threat.

    Attempt to harvest the political mileage.

  15. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2015 5:25 pm

    “And someone needs to make the point to the PM that the Nazi’s didn’t hide it; ”

    What a load of BS …………I agree with Splatter’s comments above

    “………the Nazi’s were systematic, unrelenting and maintained detailed records of their crimes (including filming)……”

    That’s because they had to constantly report back to their Reichmasters dumbo and they didn’t expect to lose the God damn fucking War…………………Something about Superior Aryan Race

    I think IS is more like the Japanese Imperioal Army in its indiscriminate killing and beheadings and suicide (Kamikazees anyone ?).

    Although they tended to lop off heads rather swiftly

  16. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 3, 2015 5:29 pm

    Thanks for reminding me about Bolt, he is right, as usual. This is a beat up.

    The commenters aren’t bad either:

    It’s an interesting (il)logical progression to go from Abbott’s statement to outrage at Abbott.

    1. Take a seemingly objective statement of fact (ISIS do not hide their barbarity but the Nazis did).
    2. Apply your own beliefs to arrive at a subjective conclusion (ISIS is worse than the Nazis).
    3. Project that conclusion on the original speaker (Abbott).
    4. Decry them for making a statement you find offensive.

    The perverse thing is that for this progression to occur you must either find your own beliefs offensive or be offended by objective truths – Labor voters in a nutshell!

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 3, 2015 5:32 pm

    In fact Bolt is always worth a read. He posts stuff you will not hear from the lockstep lefty media. His real crime is that the smug mongrels of the left hate to be contradicted and hate to have their stupidity and hypocrisy exposed. The wonder is not that he goes OTT sometimes but that he is so on target most of the time.

  18. September 3, 2015 5:33 pm

    Yes, you are so right.

    Conflating IS with Nazi Germany is entirely credible. Bravo Abbott for your well judged words. Bravo Bolt for maintaining a blind defence of Abbott in the face of ongoing self immolation.

  19. September 3, 2015 5:36 pm

    * OTT sometimes ?

    Haha.

    Yes, and taking up the cudgels to call dissenting journalists ‘Jihadists’ doesn’t cheapen the term or undermine the gravity of the fear Abbott’s trying to elicit regarding IS at all.

    Just wise Bolt, telling it like it is, making excellent points, not preaching to the slavering converted by any means.

  20. September 3, 2015 5:38 pm

    He posts stuff you will not hear from the lockstep lefty Liberal Party Apologia media.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 5:40 pm

  22. September 3, 2015 5:48 pm

    What would, Robert Goot, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, know?!

    He should be congratulating Abbott for his cynically politically expedient perfectly ludicrous reasonable conflation of Industrial State Genocide statement.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2015 6:20 pm

    I agree with Splatter’s comments above

    Mmmmm …

    … I think IS is more like the Japanese Imperioal Army in its indiscriminate killing and beheadings and suicide (Kamikazees anyone ?).

    The Japanese just wanted to create fear and control the population … much the same as the Nazis in Europe … when the troops are thin on the ground its difficult to stop resistance an uprising nicely … fear works really well, even in 2015 apparently …

    And, strangely enough … it was sb who provided a link a few weeks ago that described how ISIL was deliberately attempting to force the West into a “final showdown” … the end of days … you’d know about that from your theological studies … ISIL has a purpose …

    I’m sure sb will explain it all to you … if you ask him nicely … 🙂

    The upshot of all this is that once again Abbott’s stuck his foot in his mouth …

    Japanese and Nazis in Europe or ISIL in the Middle East … all fkn nasty pricks … none are better nor worse than the other …

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2015 6:21 pm

    … I think IS is more like the Japanese Imperioal Army in its indiscriminate killing and beheadings and suicide (Kamikazees anyone ?).

    From Wally’s comment above …

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2015 6:22 pm

    In fact Bolt is always worth a read. He posts stuff you will not hear from the lockstep lefty media. His real crime is that the smug mongrels of the left hate to be contradicted and hate to have their stupidity and hypocrisy exposed. The wonder is not that he goes OTT sometimes but that he is so on target most of the time.

    LOL! Sounds just like you, sb … chortle …

  26. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2015 6:25 pm

    “…..none are better nor worse than the other …”

    Baddies versus Baddies !

  27. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2015 7:05 pm

    It’s almost like yabots playbook now. It’s depressing and it’s worrying

    Have you heard what they said on the news today
    Have you heard what is coming to us all?
    That the world as we know it will be coming to an end
    Have you heard, have you heard?

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 7:11 pm

    http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-nazi-reference-shows-his-penchant-for-alienating-voters-20150903-gjeccu.html

    “…But when it comes to his political opponents, to press critics, in fact, anyone deemed non-members of the closed-shop Team Australia, the rules of language go out the window.

    Who can forget the “jobs Holocaust” he claimed Labor had presided over, or his labelling of Bill Shorten as “Dr Goebbels of economic policy” – both slurs quickly withdrawn amid parliamentary uproar.

    Withdrawn but not learned from it seems…”

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 9:16 pm

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 9:21 pm

    Tony Abbott Hails Noel Pearson’s Impact On Cape York School, Which Pearson Has Nothing To Do With – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/28/tony-abbott-hails-noel-pearsons-impact-cape-york-school-which-pearson-has-nothing-do#sthash.LTc3Aeln.dpuf

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2015 10:02 pm

    …”I’m not in the business of ranking evil.”…

    Except you did exactly that abbott.

    It seems to be a conservative trait, the denial of the undeniable. Guess conservative supporters like neil will swallow that without chewing though.
    Others might question it, but they have obviously interpreted his words wrongly, mischievously, he’d never say what he just said.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2015 10:28 pm

    ISIS seem brutal, unpromising, murderous, expansionist.

    They’re zealots, it’s an unhealthy philosophy.

  33. September 4, 2015 2:47 am

    l enjoy the fact that the house-plants all over-look the greatest common thread between the nazi`s and the death-cult is,

    #teabags of teh-west`s very large part in the creation of `both` of`em

  34. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 7:41 am

    They’re zealots, it’s an unhealthy philosophy.

    hmm, how does that rank with the Liberal philosophy?

    But, …”I’m not in the business of ranking evil.”… 😉

    Fark he’s such a bold faced bullshit artist.

    Baddies versus Baddies !

    Of course, when yabot said that, he did miss out one group. It seems to be a recurring problem for him

    David Cameron has bowed to growing international and domestic demands that Britain take in more refugees fleeing the Syrian civil war by indicating that the UK would accept thousands more refugees.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/cameron-bows-to-pressure-to-allow-more-syrian-refugees-into-britain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 8:58 am

  36. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 9:27 am

    Anyone been to an ISIS BBQ lately ?

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 9:32 am

    Canning byelection: Andrew Hastie deems questions on family and religion ‘unacceptable’
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/03/canning-byelection-andrew-hastie-deems-questions-on-family-and-religion-unacceptable

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 9:55 am

    Wally, you need help … and not from your local priest!

    Really sick … and twisted mind!

  39. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 9:59 am

    You just find the Truth too difficult to deal with and as usual make up as many of your failed Leftie excuses as possible.

    These people celebrate their barbarity and the pathetic Left (yeah I’m looking at you) stays mute.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 10:49 am

    You really are unhinged, Wally … its nothing to do with left or right … those are people … your comment above the photo is disgusting …

    Just what is a failed leftie excuse? … because I don’t want to see Australian ADF members end up like those in your photo …

    The ISIL scourge is a religious civil war … it is not Australia’s war …

    I sat “mute” … you mean I disagree with your gung-ho, I love the smell of napalm in morning, go and get the bastards and I’ll watch from here attitude …

    Get a life … if you want to go – go … you are no better than those going to join ISIL …

    We should be helping the refugees … let the Muslims fight their own wars … it is not a Crusade!

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:03 am

    ISIS is committed to brutal, cruel, visible genocide and seek to share this with the world. Whether this requires differentiation from other examples of genocide is a moot point.

  42. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:07 am

    “You really are unhinged, Wally … its nothing to do with left or right … those are people … your comment above the photo is disgusting … ”

    Pull ya fucking head in you idiot.

    Its described as an ISIS BBQ on the Kurdish twitter feed.

    As I said you weak willed Lefties just refuse to accept the grim reality.

    On one hand you say “open the borders” then you start fucking screaming over a few 457 visas. One day you’ll get your migration/population/workforce argument consistent.

    Idiots and hypocrites !

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:11 am

    Just more Wally Waffle …

  44. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:11 am

    “………….go and get the bastards and I’ll watch from here attitude … ”

    And listen hear you dickhead. Next week I’m off to “help out” for 3 weeks whilst you sit on your fat fucking arse whingeing.

    So don’t you dare claim that I have a “I’ll watch from here” attitude you dickhead.

    You can look forward to 3 weeks of “Walrus Free Zone”

  45. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:12 am

    “Just more Wally Waffle …”

    Dickhead !

  46. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 11:43 am

    As I said you weak willed Lefties just refuse to accept the grim reality.

    What, that ISIS are a direct result of the war mongering coalition of the willing?

    They were warned back then. They were too busy pushing their ideological agenda, which can be drilled down simply to “OIL”

  47. September 4, 2015 11:52 am

    Is it just me or does Walrus seem extraordinarily unhinged today…

    What could it be I wonder…

    Oh that’s right.

  48. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 12:23 pm

    “What could it be I wonder…”

    On the contraire I’m quite happy about that.

    It means I can selectively add to my long positions a little bit at a time to enable me to obtain the status of Wealth Crazed Prick extraordinaire.

    Everyone should aspire to such a lofty perch and always climb to seek a higher and higher position to look down upon you Lowly Lefties Herds………..

    http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000_sYB33pQUk4/s/1000/1000/Walrus-rock-climb-arctic-sea-Svalbard-Norway.jpg#walrus%20on%20the%20rock%201000×667

  49. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 12:32 pm

    Everyone should aspire to such a lofty perch

    Unfortunately, not everyone can be employed in one of the countries most heavily tax payer subsidised industries 😦

    There’s no other way to say it: Australia’s economy is in trouble. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/03/ross-garnauts-warning-becomes-tony-abbotts-bleak-reality#sthash.is44UUAc.dpuf

  50. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 12:49 pm

    “There’s no other way to say it: Australia’s economy is in trouble….”

    Yeah……..so lets stand in the way of the China FTA.

    Dickhead Emerson was on Skynews last night with Bob Carr. Bob Carr totally disagreed with Emerson’s Union formed point of view.

    Carr does not see a problem with the FTA and noted that the clauses objected to were the same as other FTA’s.

    The FTA is not a problem. Which is why so many ALP figures outside the Federal ALP are for the China FTA.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 12:58 pm

    From TR’s link …

    What Australia really needs are a couple of big new industries ramping up their investment and creating lots of new jobs.

    In 2013, we had at least one good candidate in the renewables sector. Sadly, that industry has been smashed by the Abbott government, with its outright hostility to all things green.

    Health and higher education are two other sectors with plenty of employment potential.

    Again, however, both have suffered at the hands of this government, and are currently in a holding pattern, rather than investing for the future.

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/03/ross-garnauts-warning-becomes-tony-abbotts-bleak-reality#sthash.is44UUAc.9kXAVXNe.dpuf

    Ideologues … hypocrites … regressives … uncreative … destructive … divisive … greedy … fear-mongers … war-mongers … negative … mean spirited … spiteful … deceptive … uncommunicative … incompetent … uncompassionate … self-centred … arrogant … aggressive …

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 1:03 pm

    Carr does not see a problem with the FTA and noted that the clauses objected to were the same as other FTA’s.

    And can be waived by DFAT or the Immigration Dept or is it Border Farce now or the RAN …

    In respect of the specific commitments on temporary entry in this Chapter, unless otherwise specified in Annex 10-A, neither Party shall… require labour market testing, economic needs testing or other procedures of similar effect as a condition for temporary entry.

    http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/chafta/official-documents/Documents/chafta-agreement-text.pdf

  53. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2015 1:07 pm

    “And can be waived by DFAT or the Immigration Dept………..”

    ROFLMAO You fell right into it

    Which means its a Compliance matter and has nothing to do with the FTA itself.

    COMPREHENSION !

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 1:59 pm

    I think the key word is “waived” …

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 2:55 pm

    🙂

    Craig Emerson
    5 hrs ·
    The likes of Peter Reith repeatedly lie about my position on China-Australia trade deal. I’m not trying to block it or amend it. I’m proposing to legislate labour market testing instead of leaving the decision with the Immigration Minister’s department.

    Fact check: Does the China Free Trade Agreement threaten Australian jobs?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-12/china-free-trade-agreement-cost-australian-jobs-fact-check/6653214

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 3:00 pm

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 3:11 pm

    Paul Krugman: Australia can weather the Chinese economic downturn
    In an interview with Guardian Australia, the Nobel prize-winning economist expresses scepticism about the China free trade agreement and a GST increase
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/04/paul-krugman-australia-can-weather-the-chinese-economic-downturn

    …“Australia, like Canada, is a country that has the wrong exports and is kind of in the wrong place in the world right now, but has a lot of other strengths.”

    Krugman supports free trade, but was sceptical of the benefits of bilateral agreements such as the one between China and Australia.

    They were often misleadingly pitched as something that must be done “for the national good”, he said. “It isn’t really – it’s not going to have any major impact on GDP per capita.”

    He suggested the Australia-China deal could well be, like the Trans Pacific Partnership, mostly about entrenching the power of monopolies. “Free trade –which on the whole I’m a supporter of – is being used to cover fields that really are not about that at all.”

    Krugman also opposed the TPP currently being negotiated, of which Australia’s trade minister, Andrew Robb, is an ardent advocate. It was “not really a trade agreement”, Krugman said, as trade in the Pacific area was “already pretty free in most things”.

    Rather, he argued the TPP was mostly about “intellectual property rights and dispute settlements procedures”, for which there were “very clear negative argument that it hurts consumers”…

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 3:11 pm

    The Walking Dead Media Org ….

    Owned by you know who, hey, Rupe … 😉

    The price/cost for “loyalty” …

  59. September 4, 2015 3:48 pm

    tb”””it is not Australia`s war”””#wrong

    #We(our-allies) started it

    tb”””The ISIL scourge is a religious civil war”””#too-simple

    #the death-cult is a unification of, the left-overs of `al-kida-of-iraq`, mujahadine/s(religious-freedom-fighters) of various flavors, and tortured prisoners from `booker`, a gitmo torture black-site run by us(our-allies) that had control of a chunk of iraq, then crossed the border into syria and took control of a chunk of syria

    tb”””it is not a Crusade!”””

    #that isn`t how the bombed citizens of syria, iraq, afghanistan see it

  60. September 4, 2015 4:23 pm

    my abc”””The Abbott Government has claimed the free trade agreement Australia signed with China in June as a landmark deal that will underpin Australia`s future prosperity.””via-ao

    +

    my abc”””The claim: Unions say the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement `allows Chinese companies to bring in their own workforce for projects over $150 million and removes the requirement that jobs be offered to local workers first`.””

    +

    my abc”””The verdict: The agreement allows the Immigration Department to decide that jobs should be offered to local workers before it issues visas to overseas workers,

    but ### it does not require this to happen.### The ACTU’s claim checks out.””

    +

    #so teabags, my abc still seems to be running a `taxpayer`funded anti-mr-rabbit fact-based campaign

  61. September 4, 2015 4:27 pm

    tweet-via-ao”””’Woman With No Recollection Of Last 10 Years Asked To Run Major Media Company”””

    #l haven`t clicked the link yet armchair, but having a blind guess,

    #it`s rupert`s rebekka:-)

  62. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 4:35 pm

    but having a blind guess,

    Business as usual then tea 😉

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 4:38 pm

    If you feel so strongly about it tbagz … find a recruiting office … but I suggest you do some research first …

    splatterbum, would be my suggestion for first port of call … he seems to have the best understanding of the history and religious implications here … seriously!

    I think this is the article,sb, referred me to a few weeks ago …

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

    And don’t be so eager to send our young men and women off to fight in foreign lands for someone else’s cause*… look at the history of that too … its not their fault that US and Aussie politicians of a certain leaning want to play warlords …

    tb”””it is not a Crusade!”””

    That was aimed at the resident catliks who think anything muslim is a scourge on christianity … the war is between Shi’ite and Sunni … and anybody who gets in their way!

    See any muslim state soldiers on the ground over the last 12 years in Afghanistan … or now in Iraq/Syria … the only people who have made a difference is the Kurds and the Turks, (on “our” side), decided to bomb the poor sods …

    We may have history there but it has to end – they have to sort the shit out themselves … for a change …

    *would they be so eager to step up if we were in trouble?

  64. September 4, 2015 4:41 pm

    A British woman who can`t recall any of the conversations she has had over the past decade will head up the UK arm of one of the world`s largest media organisations.

    A spokesperson for the company said Ms Brookes, 47, was the obvious choice for the position. `Apart from the fact that she has absolutely no recollection of what happened at the previous companies she ran, she is the perfect choice for this role,` the spokesperson said.

    `She has a knack for a good story, she`s great with people. Sure she couldn`t remember whether the Prime Minister of Great Britain attended her 40th birthday party. But then, who does remember these sorts of finer details?`

    The spokesperson said Ms Brookes would run a tight ship as CEO of UK operations. `Although naturally we don`t expect her to have any idea about what`s actually going on at the company`.

    http://t.co/4dAzAHKegd

    #yaaaaay.rupert #yaaaay.rebekha

  65. September 4, 2015 5:13 pm

    The group seized Mosul, Iraq, last June(#2009), and already rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq.

    #camp-bucca, (sounds like `booker`) was a gitmo-like torture/black site in iraq, run by teh-usa

    #Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader (of al-Qaeda of-iraq), it didn`t exist under saddam, but was created when WE(our-allies) cleared the way for al-qaeda

    TB”””And don`t be so eager to send”””

    #that`s rather impoverished of you teebz, to claim l`m `eager-to-send`, l`m quite certain l`ve told you before, l was following george-galloway and the uk-peace movement, the reports of food and medical shortages in iraq and how the citizens were suffering excessively and saddam`s regime was fully `bottled`-up, so `eager-to-send`, nope, l wouldn`t have sent anybody to iraq, iraq would still be an `intact` and bottled-up country if folks like me, galloway, and uk-peace had been listened to

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2015 5:23 pm

    So, we’re willing to help those able to flee, but not interested in helping those that are unable to flee.

    They can just stay put and await burning to death, stoning, drowning, being throw off a building..”convert or die”

    Those ones can figure out how to solve their own problems.

    That’s nice.

    …and you had a crack at me for commenting that I’d had a few glasses of red…

  67. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:00 pm

    but not interested in helping those that are unable to flee.

    I missed that bit. Can you link to it?

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:10 pm

    Where’d I say anything like that?

    I wouldn’t mind us helping them all.

    Apparently dropping food and survival parcels is akin to giving terrorists a picnic according to JBish.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:13 pm

    The comment was directed to TB-

    “We should be helping the refugees … let the Muslims fight their own wars …”

    That is just bulls**t

  70. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:22 pm

    let the Muslims fight their own wars

    Not that I’d support letting any two sides just belt the shit out of each other anyway, but, since “we” have stuck our nose in so far and destabilized so much an already destabilized situation, we should be helping out everywhere.

    With humanitarian aid imo, not dropping bombs that will have no outcome but further alienation and misery.

  71. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:22 pm

    That’s gotta hurt

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:32 pm

    #that`s rather impoverished of you teebz,

    So what are suggesting …?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Those ones can figure out how to solve their own problems.

    …and you had a crack at me for commenting that I’d had a few glasses of red…

    Arrogant and shallow as usual … I had a crack at you for a reason and I know from reading your comments over the years (and you mine) why … the cheap reply is beneath you …

    The refugees are not the one’s I directed my comment too … and you know it …

    The “faux altruism” doesn’t hold much water when you support a government at home that is only interested in taking from the poor, weak and unemployed …

    That is just bulls**t

    So off you go with tbagz and sign for your rifle … and sheriff’s badge …

    … did you go to the last Anzc Day?

    … talk to some of the Diggers just back after three or four tours in Afghanistan?

    Why don’t we go to Mexico … the same thing is happening there … just a different reason – drugs …

    Ever been to PNG?

    The World is not like Australia – particularly the third world bit!

    If you are serious sign up … at least you have a choice …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wouldn’t mind us helping them all.

    Me too – always been an advocate of onshore …

    Apparently dropping food and survival parcels is akin to giving terrorists a picnic according to JBish.

    Afraid he’s right … pinpoint accuracy from the skies isn’t …

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:33 pm

    Boral trial to be delayed by up to 2 months. Company to pay ‘substantial’ legal costs to CFMEU

    I’ll check news.com.au – nope, nope, nope …

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 6:34 pm

    That is just bulls**t

    OK …

    You spell out what we should do … and don’t forget refugees and asylum seekers …

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2015 7:15 pm

    Objecting to slaughter of innocents by the most cruel means imaginable and trusting that our professional and voluntary military might be capable of assisting to prevent spread of the barbarity doesn’t mean that I have to personally pick up a gun

    That type of comment is stupid

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2015 7:18 pm

    …and as I’m not on favour of troops on the ground the comment is even more ridiculous. I don’t have a pilots licence so I can’t personaaly drop some bombs on the c**ts

  77. September 4, 2015 7:54 pm

    TB”””So what are suggesting .. ?”””’

    #l must say teebz `So what are suggesting` is probably the weakest reply possible to somebody that would have never jumped into the quicksand in the first place. But let`s look at the options.

    #hard.option.1 teh-west needs to `fully` remove itself from the disaster, not propping-up any `puppets`, let the `chips` fall where they may, and live with the fact they totally fcuked-up in the first place `uni-laterally`, and not try to `topple` whatever regime results.

    #hard.option.2 fully commit all boots to the ground to win, no matter the cost in money, soldiers and time, a full-throated commitment to victory.

    #soft.option.3 only drop bombs, often killing your unknown allies(kurds) to minimize money and soldier costs, and maximize `collateral`, after all, air-superiority always wins, interfere with half-hearted ignorance-based decisions to appease your party/voters and continually fail to advocate for a `hard`option due to the bone-free, corrupt liars your party is filled with.

    #Guess which option they went with.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2015 10:52 pm

    That is just bulls**t

    OK …

    You spell out what we should do … and don’t forget refugees and asylum seekers …

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