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Priority Rescue for Christians fleeing Syria slammed as a “Religious Scam!”

September 8, 2015

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***AN EXCLUSIVE GUTTER TRASH INVESTIGATION***

The Gutter Trash has today slammed claims by religious groups that “fleeing christians” should go “to the front of the queue” when it comes to resettlement from Syria to Australia.

Sydney Catholic Archbishop Anthony Fisher has called on the Abbott government to increase overall refugee numbers ‘very substantially’ to accommodate thousands more christians.

Fisher said the current persecutions were the worst against christians in history, including those under maddened Roman emperors. “It’s estimated 100,000 Christians are now martyred every year, 11 killed for their faith every hour,” he said.

Melbourne Bishop Philip Huggins has also demanded preferential treatment for christians saying that “the focus of christmas would also provide an opportunity for exceptional generosity.”  (Whatever that means).

However the idea that somehow refugees fleeing persecution should somehow be given priority access to resettlement because of their personal beliefs has been slammed by backwater blog The Gutter Trash.

“Everyone knows that personal religious beliefs are a ‘lifestyle choice’” says Chief Editor Edwina Forthright.  “So calling for christians to be sent to the front of the queue is a complete furphy.”

“Besides, as part of their entrenched doctrine, christians believe that they have ‘eternal life’ so to suggest that their lives are somehow more valuable than non-christians is simply nonsensical.”

“In fact the opposite is true. Heathens and non-believers should be given priority access, as they only have one life to lead and as their time is running out faster, logic dictates that their lives are considerably more valuable in the short term,” she said.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 9:13 am

    But the really big question is, will Catholics be given precedence over Protestants?

  2. September 8, 2015 9:36 am

    The true face of organised religion.

    Not a fucking speck of divinity to be found along with it.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 9:45 am

    Good on Edwina! As Forthright as ever!

    Is there a link to this bullshit?

  4. September 8, 2015 10:03 am

    The one and same man who calls Western Invasion & Occupation ‘Liberation’…squeals about those fleeing the conflagration zones ‘invading Europe’.

    Admirable self deceptions at work in the mind of Herr.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_pope_blesses_the_dying_of_christian_europe/

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:06 am

    The flame of the white australia policy still shines bright here, I don’t know why we pretend otherwise.

  6. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:10 am

    So, atheists not allowed either?

  7. September 8, 2015 10:10 am

    I’m amused that Bolt had the gall to actually come out and call a thread “Only Christian Refugees Welcome”.

    Unsurprisingly the comments of his limpets therein are particularly cringeworthy, as he validates their discomfort & islamophobia.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:30 am

    I’m amused that Bolt had the gall to actually come out and call a thread “Only Christian Refugees Welcome”.

    I’ll have to go and have a look now!

    Abbott has been shown up for basically doing as little as possible. He wants our commitment to refugees to stay the same [In 2012-2013 we reduced the numbers from 20,000 to 13,750] and sends dutton to europe to hand pick for persecuted christians. That’s aussie style humanitarian assistance.

    I hear that the europeans are saying there can be no talk of numbers and targets, countries must be prepared to do more.

    Was there any sympathy for the persecuted rohingas? I can remember nope, nope, nope from the dope.

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:33 am

    Already the ABC has been ordered to say ‘persecuted ethnic minorities’ with no mention of christians anymore.

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:36 am

    “The flame of the white australia policy still shines bright here, I don’t know why we pretend otherwise.”

    I get that with the unions reverting to their role in founding the White Australia Policy with their recent anti-Chinese rhetoric.

    But a religious distinction is not a racial distinction and it seems that only fuck-knuckle crazies think otherwise – mainly to bolster their idiotic political beliefs.

    Islamophobia is a word used almost exclusively by idiots. In fact it is quite logical for people to hate the nasty bits of Islam. There are lots of pedophobes, rapeophobes, beheadophobes, jihadophobes, terrorophobes and the like who are rightly prepared to denounce the vile religious beliefs held by people who think, say, that apostates or blasphemers ought to be punished in any way, or even killed.

  11. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:39 am

    Things are about to get ugly here I think.

    Liberal MP warns of compassionate overload

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/liberal-mp-warns-of-compassionate-overload/story-fni0xqi3-1227517278589?sv=7fefefb1d75d1f22ec43859654d9873a

    When will the press highlight that, even if yabot “fast tracks” the intake, it will still be below the numbers Labor were taking in just a few short years ago?

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:41 am

    That’s aussie style humanitarian assistance.

    Bolt make the point that when Gillard had the power to do so she took 98 Syrian refugees in 2012-13 and 9 the year before when there were well over 1 million Syrians displaced.

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:42 am

    You can easily see the difference between race and religion by looking at the UK. Indians have one of the lowest unemployment rates whereas Pakistanis have one of the highest. Clearly the difference isn’t racial. The difference is religion.

  14. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:43 am

    I get that with the unions reverting to their role in founding the White Australia Policy with their recent anti-Chinese rhetoric.

    Pointing out the very provable fact that China can now import workers to the detriment of Australian jobs is not anti-Chinese, but por-Australian.

    Except that it doesn’t have to require it. The requirements aren’t enshrined in law. A departmental spokesperson conceded to ABC Fact Check that “in unique and exceptional circumstances” the requirements could be waived.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/chinaaustralia-free-trade-agreement-the-collision-course-thats-a-distraction-20150907-gjgl6f.html#ixzz3l6TE4t20
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    Calling it racism just shows you have no argument, or clue.

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:46 am

    It is a bit like Michelle Obama’s #bringbackourgirls. Twitter exploded for a nanosecond. Michelle and the mob had their indignation levels raised, got their dose of moral righteousness from a tweet or two and have now moved on, positional goods having been acquired and conspicuous compassion displayed. Meanwhile the remaining few who still care have marked 500 days of their lonely vigil.

  16. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:47 am

    The difference is religion.

    Do Protestants or Catholics have the highest unemployment?

    I recall claims being made along those lines about the treatment of females between India and Pakistan. Turned out to be as if it was written in the lolstraylian.

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:51 am

    The White Australia Policy was created by the unions. It was racist then and the current manifestation by the unions is racist still.

    Unions were quite prepared to stab Australia in the back in wartime and are quite prepared to promote a racist agenda now. They have never cared about the good of the country, only about perks for their members and political careers for union bosses. They are the enemy of the people.

  18. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:53 am

    “Do Protestants or Catholics have the highest unemployment?”

    Distract, spin, avoid.

  19. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:57 am

    oh palin, you beautiful thing lol

    Mexican-Americans, Asian-Americans, Native-Americans – they’re changing up the cultural mix in the United States away from what it used to be in the days of our Founding Fathers.

    “I think we should go to some of these groups and just ask politely – would you mind going home? Would you mind giving us our country back?”

    http://dailycurrant.com/2015/09/07/sarah-palin-native-americans-should-go-back-to-nativia-3/

    Distract, spin, avoid.

    As opposed to just not answering? 😉

    Unions were quite prepared to stab Australia in the back in wartime

    Wow, even that load of hogwash can’t be backed up. No wonder yabot loved the book so much, full of unsubstantiated slurs.

    Maybe heydon provided back grounding for it?

    http://www.mua.org.au/mike_carlton_the_shoddy_anti_union_fiction_that_won_the_pm_s_top_history_award

  20. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:08 am

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:17 am

    “even that load of hogwash can’t be backed up”

    Yes it can.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:40 am

    The White Australia Policy was created by the unions. It was racist then and the current manifestation by the unions is racist still.

    Actually it was not totally racist. Unions were worried Chinese would come here and work for lower wages driving the wages of everyone else down.

    I have seen this in action but with Eastern Europeans and Australian Science. They get paid approx $12K/year in Russia, Poland, Ukraine etc and $90K/year plus 17% Super in Australia. Lots come here and work for 2.5 days/week and still get paid more than back home. They hang around on half wages until somebody leaves and then get full wages.

    And the bosses write a contract so the Russian can legally work 5 days/week but get paid only 2.5 working days.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:45 am

    …The White Australia Policy was created by the unions. It was racist then and the current manifestation by the unions is racist still…

    The White Australia Policy was created by the white, male dominated unions, just as they dominate in society.

    I don’t see too many ethnics or brown skinned people in parliament or in positions of power and influence at all, there is a dominance of the male, white, christians everywhere.

    They unions also made sure women have been kept out of the work rewards too. They were OK to work, or should we say ‘volunteer’ [for less money] when the men were at war but back to the house and kitchens when the men came back.

    I don’t see much advocacy from the men for wage or gender equality for women, they don’t seem concerned about it. I think the male dominated unions have kept wages high for certain workers at the expense of female workers and female dominated professions.

    We do not live in ‘male as the sole breadwinner’ lives anymore and there should be more advancement and equality for all workers.

    I’m not sure if the unions in this age of neoliberalism think that the gains made by those at the top will ‘trickle down’ eventually to the others, but it really isn’t working.

  24. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:58 am

    Yes it can.

    Perhaps you need to read the article you linked to?

    #justsayin

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:58 am

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:59 am

    oops sorry, the above was meant to appear on the rostrum thread.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 12:29 pm

    Don’t forget border farce, men in uniforms rule!

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:06 pm

    It was racist then and the current manifestation by the unions is racist still.

    That’s the political tory twist … the argument is about Australian workers having first crack at any jobs in Australia … and I can assure you the Chinese tradies are not trained to the same level … and tick and flick is still rife in assessments …

    Play the racism xenophobe card all you want but that is a monstrous Abbott furphy!

    I would trust him nor Robb as far as I could spit …

    Distract, spin, avoid.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:08 pm

    Actually it was not totally racist. Unions were worried Chinese would come here and work for lower wages driving the wages of everyone else down.

    LOL!

    Even Kneel gets it!

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:11 pm

    And Bob Menzies sold pig iron to the Japanese for warships and tanks … GMAFB!

    Let’s talk about TODAY and this frigging incompetent government!

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:24 pm

    …Stuck in a mindset that viewed Syria as simply a question of when we could start dropping bombs (never mind that airstrikes will be ineffectual except for causing civilian casualties, will mean fewer airstrikes against Islamic State in Iraq, and will mean Assad’s air force can slaughter more of his remaining population), Abbott was too late to realise that the images from Europe, and the photo of Aylan Kurdi’s tiny body, had reconfigured Syria from a narrative about national security to one about compassion. And compassion is something alien to Abbott’s combative instincts; even this morning, his spear-carrier Andrew Nikolic was sent out to criticise unnamed colleagues — presumably Jones, Craig Laundy and Russell Broadbent — for trying to “out-compassion” each other.

    Instead, to create the illusion of movement, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton was dispatched on Sunday to Geneva (inexplicably — do they not have phones in Switzerland?) to talk with the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, normally a body derided by the government for its criticisms of Australian policy…

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:36 pm

    Tony Abbott was completely wrong-footed by the change in public sentiment towards Syrian refugees

    How come this sentiment was not around when Gillard was in power? Perhaps Abbott being in power has changed peoples sentiment?

    Gillard took 98 Syrians in 2102-13 and 9 Syrians the year before when there were 1 million Syrians displaced.

  33. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:40 pm

    I see newmatilda is trying to play the “gutless” “me too” shorten line. Why are they sinking to the level of the msm?

    After Germany announced it would take in 800,000 Syrian refugees, the Sydney Morning Herald, decided to pin the major parties in Australia down on their position. And who better to ask on the Labor side than the current national president, Mark Butler. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/07/labor-silent-increase-syrian-refugees-wait-what-libs-support-it-labor-supports-increase#sthash.Xtd130Ht.dpuf

    Except, they fail to state that Shorten has actually said on Friday of Labors wish to increase the intake, and repeated it on Sunday, well before the libs had even begun procrastinating.

    There is a lot of this going around, much founded, so why make shit up?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-06/abbott-vows-australia-will-help-syria-refugees/6753220

    I mean, Shorten was calling for this 12 months ago.

    Australia’s refugee intake should be boosted as part of the Abbott government’s humanitarian efforts in the Middle East, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has said, as he outlined clear parameters governing Labor’s support for military action in Iraq.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/raise-refugee-intake-to-cope-with-refugees-from-syria-and-iraq-bill-shorten-says-20140915-10hfbl.html#ixzz3l7Bn9Uta
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  34. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:49 pm

    https://twitter.com/awelder/status/641087712863252481

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 3:24 pm

    (inexplicably — do they not have phones in Switzerland?)

    My words precisely when I heard this … the real plan of course is to piss Dopey Dora Dutton off as far away as possible … so that he can’t make another stupid call … in the name of the Most Incompetent Government of the Century …

    … well may the Prime Minister say, God Save the Queen, because nothing will save the Prime Minister!

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 3:30 pm

    Christians rejoice …

    Speaking on Monday against a Greens motion urging Australia to resettle an extra 20,000 Syrian and Iraqi refugees, Bernardi said the country needed an ordered migration system and could not simply open its borders to anyone.

    “At this stage, I do not believe there is any need for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people to be ditching their identification and trying to get into Europe for reasons of safety,” Bernardi told the Senate. “Many of these people have been very safely ensconced, working and housed in places like Turkey for many years.

    “This seems to me to be becoming an opportunistic cycle which is masking the true humanitarian need that is the responsibility of all western nations.”

    Bernardi also criticised the father of Aylan Kurdi, the drowned three-year-old boy whose photograph sparked an outpouring of public sorrow and sympathy.

    “The facts remain that that terrible image was not brought about by recent events in Syria or Iraq,” Bernardi said. “That boy and his family had lived in Turkey for three years. The money for that boy’s father to pay the people smugglers was sent from Canada.

    “The father sent them on that boat so the father could get dental treatment. They were in no fear, they were in no persecution and they were in no danger in Turkey.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/08/australian-senator-cory-bernardi-blames-aylan-kurdis-father-for-childs-drowning

    What is it in catlik education/indoctrination that makes them so callous and hard hearted?

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2015 4:12 pm

    “What is it in catlik education/indoctrination that makes them so callous and hard hearted?”

    The tragic death was as a result of a poor decision of the father to look for a better life and, it seems, a better dentist.

    The image has provided for knee-jerk displays of conspicuous compassion the world over as people try to out emote each other and then (to make themselves appear to be even more morally superior) to berate political foes who are less outlandish in their grieving and more interested in understanding the story behind the tragedy.

    If there is to be any serious attempt to stop the drownings, and to stop people asphyxiating by the score in the back of locked trucks, there are realistically only two broad approaches on offer:

    • One is to arrange safe transport for all who want to come. Without limit.

    • The other is to arrange safe transport for a limited number of people, presumably selected on a needs basis or with the assistance of UNHCR. But this must be combined with strong measures to ensure that people smugglers have no product to sell.

    It will be interesting to see whether there is any clear-headed consideration of the choices or merely more hand-wringing.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2015 4:17 pm

    (to make themselves appear to be even more morally superior

    That describes ALP supporters Greens/leftists.

    Christians rejoice …

    Shouldn’t you be condemning the father for putting his children/family in such danger?

  39. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 5:02 pm

    The image has provided for knee-jerk displays of conspicuous compassion

    Like the “knee jerk” Shorten pulled 12 months ago?

    Apart from that, I AGREE! with the dot points (see yomm, it can be done successfully)

  40. September 8, 2015 6:05 pm

    “Islamophobia is a word used almost exclusively by idiots”

    And yet, I am no idiot.

  41. September 8, 2015 6:07 pm

    “In fact it is quite logical for people to hate the nasty bits of Islam.”

    I strongly dislike the nasty bits of all religions, including the neutered Christian faith. Enlightened, but painted into a corner.

    Hilarious.

  42. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 6:32 pm

    Even when everyone else agrees that something happened, these knobs still keep their head stuck in the ground.

    Obstinate doesn’t really come close to describe this kind of pig ignorance

    Mr Truss and Prime Minister Tony Abbott stood firm on Tuesday, refusing to apologise to Bill Milby of North Star Cruises after dismissing as “inaccurate” and “just not true”, respectively, his claim that he had been advised to consider sacking Australian seafarers and “reflagging” the company’s vessel – or re-registering in a low-cost jurisdiction.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-dismisses-as-trivial-concerns-of-cruise-boss-over-losing-domestic-seafarer-industry-20150908-gjhv44.html#ixzz3l8N29Hnk
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  43. September 8, 2015 6:45 pm

    The whole…Let’s Only Take Christian Refugees thing smells funny.

    Anyone who isn’t an arsehat disagree?

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 6:46 pm

    The tragic death was as a result of a poor decision of the father to look for a better life and, it seems, a better dentist.

    What is it in catlik education/indoctrination that makes them so callous and hard hearted?

    I can find no reference to a “dentist” except from that pious arsehole, Bernardi … more BS from Team Australia … what a contradictory term that’s turning out to be …

    Don’t know which country Abbott & The Acolytes are trying to run but it ain’t Asutralia!

  45. Peter permalink
    September 8, 2015 6:47 pm

    The more Christians the more donations the richer the church gets! This is BIG BUSINESS for Catholic Church, and they would not make money from any other beliefs! Money money money!

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 6:47 pm

    Anyone who isn’t an arsehat disagree?

    Nope … nope … nope …

  47. September 8, 2015 6:49 pm

    “Even when everyone else agrees that something happened, these knobs still keep their head stuck in the ground.”

    It’s because those knobs can’t afford not to , TomR.

    Admitting stupidity on that one, while accusing critics of the ChFTA of being Raciiiiists & wanking over ‘jobs & growth’, may be seriously undermined if & when they fessed up to being wrong on that one.

    Having said that, they have an indistinguished track record now, for blatantly dismissing the political implications of such fopars until it tears them a new arsehole.

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2015 7:00 pm

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 7:10 pm

    “””” … of such fopars …”””””

    I think you meant … fox paws … 😉

  50. September 8, 2015 7:35 pm

    fauxpas

    I always know what I mean.

    I shoulda said fopperz

  51. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2015 9:13 pm

    fox paws

    cats paws?

    Labor transport spokesman Anthony Albanese attempted to censure the government on Tuesday amid accusations that the prime minister, Tony Abbott, and his deputy, Warren Truss, misled the house about the advice given by senior government staff to an executive of an Australian shipping company.
    …………
    But the government successfully moved to gag Albanese and the debate did not occur.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/08/labors-albanese-tries-to-censure-coalition-over-shipping-company-advice

    Yea, but we all know this mob is selling out Australian jobs. And then freely lying about it.

    Our current Parliament

    Shorten (when he arrived and spoke) actually managed to keep his detail about what Labor wants on the looming FTA enabling legislation comprehensible (a practice which he very often fluffs). Shorten was correct to note that this whole show today is basically a stunt. What was the prime minister doing on a busy sitting day moving a motion on a deal when the enabling legislation isn’t yet before the parliament?

    It is kind of odd, and not entirely prime ministerial. Abbott will get the vote he wants because the government controls the chamber, but what does it mean at the end of the day?

    Two fifths of bugger all.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/sep/08/tony-abbott-under-pressure-to-take-more-syrian-refugees-politics-live#block-55ee5085e4b0f3f3043acc80

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:39 pm

    I always know what I mean.

    I know you know, toylet … just getting in before, ToM the Grammar Police … 🙂

  53. September 8, 2015 11:40 pm

    ao”””I don`t see much advocacy from the men for wage or gender equality for women, they don`t seem concerned about it. I think the male dominated unions have kept wages high for certain workers at the expense of female workers and female dominated professions.”””

    #l think you`re full of crap. You`re peddling a mixture of unrelated feminista talk-points, which pretend they are all related when they`re not.

    #1.onions(most) represent `all` their members interest and it doesn`t matter if the members are black/white fe/male gay/straight, they can`t afford to turn away memberships. l also know from my own employment, female tradies and factory get the same rate as male, the rate `may` be crap, but everybody gets the same crap.

    #2.When it comes to `negotiated` salary positions, l would suspect that a big part of gender salary-difference is similar to female-consumers, they don`t `haggle`(so-pay-more), corporations know this and exploit it. Don`t blame the garden-variety powerless male for where females have placed themselves in their careers/consumption for not `haggling`. (Yes, aware many bosses are male, but female bosses can also be cnuts too)

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2015 8:45 am

    ” … of such fopars …”

    Everyone knows that HD is too intelligent to make that mistake. He should also understand that grammar police don’t fall for grammar trolling.

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 9:24 am

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 9:48 am

    …#l think you`re full of crap. You`re peddling a mixture of unrelated feminista talk-points, which pretend they are all related when they`re not.

    #1.onions(most) represent `all` their members interest and it doesn`t matter if the members are black/white fe/male gay/straight, they can`t afford to turn away memberships. l also know from my own employment, female tradies and factory get the same rate as male, the rate `may` be crap, but everybody gets the same crap….

    I think you’re so full of anti-female sentiment that it colours your interpretation.

    Yes, I think females working in a male dominated industry do better than females working in a female dominated industry. I wasn’t talking about individual industries, I was talking about individual unions and gender.

    I haven’t noticed the male dominated unions refusing to take wage increases until the females get better wages for their work. Or using their clout to draw attention to the fact that there is a wage discrepancy for females and female work – in any industry. You don’t deny that female wages are below that of males do you, with all that available evidence on record? Or males dominating in positions of power?

    You’re not going to tell me that the shoppies have done the best that they possibly can for their mostly female members are you, or that joe debruyn put his member’s interests above his own power plays in labor?

    It is all of society that needs to view women’s work and worth as equal to that of males. So far, it doesn’t and I think male dominated unions [and males are part of the society that keep women down] should be thinking more about using their power and voices on behalf of women. At the moment, the voices calling for change come from women.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 9:55 am

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:28 am

    Companies are required by law to report on their gender equality programs and targets. Who do unions provide this data to?

    Women make up half the workforce, what proportion of union leadership positions do they occupy?

    Union leadership is as unrepresentative of gender diversity as the ASX 100. But unions, unlike the ASX don’t have to comply with regulated reporting of their programs.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:40 am

    Union leadership is as unrepresentative of gender diversity as the ASX 100

    exactly

    …Companies are required by law to report on their gender equality programs and targets. Who do unions provide this data to?…

    Aren’t the companies trying to get that requirement removed, or have they already?

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:42 am

    … that grammar police don’t fall for grammar trolling.

    And grammar trolls don’t fall for grammar police trolling trolls either … 😯

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:48 am

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:50 am

    What is it in catlik education/indoctrination that makes them so callous and hard hearted?

    I find it strange ALP supporters giving lectures on compassion. People who believe they are morally superior to anyone else have no idea what compassion is.

    In fact i think ALP supporters do more damage to people than anyone else.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:51 am

    You know my thoughts, KL … how’s Windows 10 goings for you …

    I’m just loading up the third computer now …

    I’ve just resurrected another one from a friend – he bought two new ones and I grabbed the old ones and tricked up a fourth! …

    So we are now a household with four PC’s, two laptops, a netbook and a couple of tablets … I love the tech … currently researching a combined 3D printer/scanner … never play CDs or DVDs these days all on the network … even my model railway is now computer controlled!

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2015 11:00 am

    AO, all ASX companies are required to report on gender equality targets and programs in their annual report.

    All substantial companies (I can’t recall the definition, but it is beyond the ASX) are required to report to a government agency on their entire program (and numbers), actions and various proportions of women occupying hierarchy and management positions. I think these reports are public documents.

    Who do unions have to report to about their programs and actions?

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 11:18 am

    …Who do unions have to report to about their programs and actions?…

    Nobody, i’m guessing.

    I think Liz Broderick did a great job, I hope she goes on to something even better in public life.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 11:28 am

    “And yet, I am no idiot.”

    And I didn’t say you were, did I? Hence “almost”. The fact that used it as a term of spittle-flecked invective speaks more to your passionate interest in politics.

    “I strongly dislike the nasty bits of all religions,”

    Then you are probably an Islamophobe too!

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 11:46 am

    “even my model railway”

    I should have known! For those of a certain generation having a model railway is as cool as f*ck. I’m seriously jealous.

  68. September 9, 2015 12:27 pm

    “Then you are probably an Islamophobe too!”

    In a manner of speaking, I probably am.

    But I wouldn’t think that only taking Christian refugees was a morally defensible stance either.

    “spittle flecked invective”, haha, if you say so…

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2015 1:03 pm

    If you’re not spraying spittle flecked invective around, you just don’t care 🙂

    I’m a religionaphobe, I hate them all, equally and passionately. Much prefer people used their own minds for thought and reason and practise humanity not bigotry and exclusion.

    I detest the religious activists that are masquerading as politicians in this country. I’d like to see some religious affiliation reporting on all candidates for election and expose the lobbies.

    Win 10 is all good TB, the little I’ve used it anyway, I am certainly no giant of technology like yourself! But I know where to go if I need any help 😉

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 1:42 pm

    “If you’re not spraying spittle flecked invective around, you just don’t care”

    Every now and then I try to be nice. But then someone says something that is both wrong and stupid!!!!!

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 2:07 pm

    “I’m a religionaphobe, I hate them all, equally and passionately.”

    Religious beliefs are endemic to humans. Always have been. I enjoy thinking about them, what functions they perform and whether some are better than others.

    Among the worst are, in no particular order: fundamentalist Islam, animal rights maniacs, the Gaia Cult and related environmental hysterics, the Greens, Getupthemselves! and the many sects based on socialist writers in the Marxist tradition.

    Those purporting to be non-religious still take a leap of faith to make decisions and judgments, to form opinions about right and wrong and to just do things. If you don’t believe in God your life is still governed by irrational beliefs. I have a lot of time for the postmodernists who at least acknowledge this.

  72. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2015 3:04 pm

    Union leadership is as unrepresentative of gender diversity as the ASX 100.

    yomm just can’t use google.

    Or doesn’t think anyone else can, take yer pick

    The Survey of 21 unions – including the AMWU – found that the percentage of women in national union leadership roles had increased from 28% in 1999 to 40% in 2015.

    With the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showing that 49% of union members are women, the female leadership percentage represents a 9% gender gap.

    Women were also under-represented on national councils, at national conferences and at ACTU Congress.

    At this year’s Congress, 38% of delegates are women, a drop of 10% from 2009.

    Australian Services Union leader Linda White, who moved the ACTU’s 50-50 gender motion, noted the number of “grey beards” at the ACTU leadership table.

    http://www.amwu.org.au/actu_congress_women_in_unions_room_for_improvement

    Room for improvement, but far better that the ASX100 (or 50, 200, 300)

    http://www.womenonboards.org.au/pubs/bdi/2015/index.htm

    Perhaps Unions find reporting to members to me more beneficial than reporting to ????? whoever it is they report to.

    Let’s hope it’s not the grubmint, who just recently doubled the number of women on their front bench to …… 2

  73. September 9, 2015 3:19 pm

    “” If you don’t believe in God your life is still governed by irrational beliefs. “”

    Yes, but at least they’re my irrational beliefs, not someone else’s.

  74. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2015 3:30 pm

    Yes, but at least they’re my irrational beliefs, not someone else’s.

    Speak fer yerself!

    Or perhaps you underestimate how pervasive your blog is 😉

  75. public toilet permalink
    September 9, 2015 3:51 pm

    Unsurprisingly, I tend to disagree with your conflating of religion and your pet dislikes as being equally irrational.

  76. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2015 3:57 pm

    Among the worst are

    There’s still one that rools the roost imo

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2015 5:47 pm

    Win 10 is all good TB, the little I’ve used it anyway, I am certainly no giant of technology like yourself! But I know where to go if I need any help

    Chuckle! Glad to hear W10 is up and running …

    ‘Cause The Minister is a better gardener, cook and washer than me (I only do floors, dusting and the bed making and changing) … I had to find my niche in the new order when we retired … so with my background I do the maintenance and fix its! Needed advertising that I actually do stuff around here (I used to be away four-five days a week) si started calling myself the Tech Guy! T-shirt’s on it way – apparently …

    Present for Fathers’ Day from son & co … mug with, MR ALWAYS RIGHT … still not sure which way to “jump” about that one …

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2015 5:52 pm

    Those purporting to be non-religious still take a leap of faith to make decisions and judgments, to form opinions about right and wrong and to just do things. If you don’t believe in God your life is still governed by irrational beliefs. I have a lot of time for the postmodernists who at least acknowledge this.

    Lot of unsupported assumptions in all that comment, particularly the last para … I don’t see christians in your list?

    You must have “overlooked” that or not printed the email out …

    Odd that … 😉

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 6:38 pm

    “Unsurprisingly, I tend to disagree with your conflating of religion and your pet dislikes as being equally irrational.”

    Now this is interesting. Are there degrees of irrationality?

    How irrational were the followers of Marx and his ideas of “Scientific Socialism”? They only killed 100 million people.

    Or Rudd and his Green mates, who for their sake of their own self-righteous egos, put their cancerous leftist irrational belief into practice, abolished the Pacific Solution and drowned 1200 people.

    But it is not just my pet dislikes. Everything beyond maths and formal logic is, to some degree, irrational. And a lot of that I like. So calling something irrational is usually just stating a fact, not necessarily a negative. I’ve been having some fun with Hindu concepts lately and they are fun, but irrational.

    While I do indeed have pet dislikes, that is not usually on the basis of their irrationality. I’m an optimist. I like to see the good in people and the world. So basically I hate those with a miserabilist view of the world particularly the spectacularly narrow-minded types who just keep whining on about their pet “ism” as though that is the root cause of all problems. Those with a hierarchy of “isms” are hardly better.

    I truly hate those who want power so they can reshape the world to their liking. That is true evil right there. Every one of them is, to some degree, a wannabe Pol Pot.

    So TBoss, you are welcome to believe that your irrationality is better than mine. You could well be right. I have chosen my own. I do the best I can.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2015 6:41 pm

    “I don’t see christians in your list?”

    I wasn’t pretending that religion is rational. My point is that everyone is subject to irrational beliefs. Christianity is an irrational belief system in the context I was using it.

  81. September 9, 2015 8:42 pm

    ao”””I think you`re so full of anti-female sentiment that it colours your interpretation””’#wrong

    #just pointing-out the feminista talk-points often don`t pass muster, particularly among the lowest-paid

    +

    ao””’You`re not going to tell me that the shoppies have done the best that they possibly can for their mostly female members are you””’

    #of course l won`t even try to `defend` the shoppys-onion, (l DID say `most-onions`) .. Let`s face it .. the `shoppy-onion` is not representing its workers .. no matter the member demographic .. they onion looks to me like it is acting on behalf of dog-club instead .. but can you actually prove coles/woolies female check-out chicks have a lower`rate` than male check-out chicks .. my check-out chick reckons they get the same rate .. (can`t say for aldi/others tho)

    #moving on to ripped-off 7-11 staff, most of them seem to be male, but the onion-reps must have been off `praying`

    +

    ao””I wasn`t talking about individual industries,””#this

    ao””I was talking about individual unions and gender.””#that

    #armchair `this and that`(above) is just plain silly, onions ARE industry-based, just as the workforce is, surely `nurses` that work in the `nursing`industry, have a `nurses`onion, or `alike` industry/and-onion, can you show (for example) where a `nurses` eba or award says a male nurse gets paid-100% and a female nurse gets paid-75% or 50% of that eba/award .. and the onion `negotiated/defended it.?

    +

    ao””You don`t deny that female wages are below that of males do you, with all that available evidence on record?””’

    ao””’Or males dominating in positions of power?””’

    #both of these points may or may-not be related, do you have links to specific examples.

    #l would add, l`ve been to a few job interviews, advertised `salary discussed at interview`, at interview, then been told, `what we really want is an intern`(unpaid). lt doesn`t make me a sexist-pig because l can`t/won`t work for a rich corporation for `free`, and a female happened to be silly enough to do so. Having had one of the HR interviewers being female to peddle `unpaid` work, where is the rage from the sister-hood about her participation in taking women backwards.?

  82. September 9, 2015 9:37 pm

    A lesson in un-related demographics.

    boo””Women make up half the workforce””#about-correct

    boo””what proportion of union leadership positions do they occupy?””

    #not-related, about 15% of workforce in an onion

    boo””Union leadership is as unrepresentative of gender diversity as the ASX 100””

    ao””exactly””

    #but somebody gets snagged:-)

    team-cheerer””With the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showing that 49% of union members are women, the female leadership percentage represents a 9% gender gap.””

    team-cheerer””the percentage of women in national union leadership roles had increased from 28% in 1999 to 40% in 2015””

    boo””But unions, unlike the ASX don`t have to comply with regulated reporting of their programs.””

    #yet the onions out-gun those asx-ers on equality by fcuking miles, even tho corporate fluffers are dressing their crap up in feminista language. Out-raged feminista would be more effective belting boardrooms over the head with onions-data instead of men `generically`.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2015 10:27 pm

    I wasn’t pretending that religion is rational. My point is that everyone is subject to irrational beliefs. Christianity is an irrational belief system in the context I was using it.

    Chortle …

  84. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2015 9:42 am

    The road to nil? lol

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2015 9:56 am

    TR, notice that Abbott couldn’t help adding 2,000 to Shorten’s proposed 10,000 … there’s always a positive I guess!

    And why was Dopey Dora Dutton sent overseas? Was it because he doesn’t have a clue? He would blame the media? Abbott wanted the announcement? Or it was his turn for a holiday at taxpayers’ expense?

    Or all of the above? None of them are productive … just more burning the budget a bit more …

    Watch the dollars and the BILLIONS will watch themselves …

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2015 10:00 am

    From Asymptos’ link above …

    I understand:

    •Australian society values respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual, freedom of religion, commitment to the rule of law, Parliamentary democracy, equality of men and women and a spirit of egalitarianism that embraces mutual respect, tolerance, fair play and compassion for those in need and pursuit of the public good

    •Australian society values equality of opportunity for individuals, regardless of their race, religion or ethnic background

    •the English language, as the national language, is an important unifying element of Australian society.

    Maybe The Mad Abbott should have a read … can he read?

  87. September 10, 2015 10:03 am

    “And why was Dopey Dora Dutton sent overseas? ”

    To take the heat out of his Border Farce tantrums? and have him return with a ‘politically useful’ message for his (innumerable & justified) detractors?

  88. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2015 10:28 am

    And why was Dopey Dora Dutton sent overseas?

    For the appearance of doing something, whilst actually extending it out.

    Community pressure won out.

  89. September 10, 2015 10:32 am

    Thanks for reminding me, TomR.

    Yes, of course he was also sent overseas to help kick the Let’s Bomb Syria can further down the road.

    Anyone else see Abbott’s woeful sloganeering & uncomfortable floundering on 7:30 last night? highly amusing; another nail in the casket.

  90. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2015 10:38 am

    Anyone else see Abbott’s woeful sloganeering & uncomfortable floundering on 7:30 last night?

    Some people did toylet 😉

  91. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2015 11:45 am

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 11:47 am

    …si started calling myself the Tech Guy! T-shirt’s on it way – apparently …

    The resident motor mechanic geek!

    Do you think agnostics and atheists will be welcomed as new australians?

    …Out-raged feminista would be more effective belting boardrooms over the head with onions-data instead of men `generically`…

    They already do, I haven’t noticed many men doing so though and that was my point really.

    While it is good to see men speaking out and acting decisively on these issues now, there are still entrenched attitudes, from men ‘generically’. We know this because of all the research and reporting, I would have thought the stats were undeniable really.

    I think you kinda missed the entire point.

    Maybe you could look over liz broderick’s [sex discrimination commissioner] website

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-gender-equality

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 11:48 am

  94. public toilet permalink
    September 10, 2015 11:52 am

    The dissonant cognition of AbbottCorp.

    Unfortunately for them, they seem to imagine they still have a lion’s share of the voting population in thrall.
    I seriously doubt that they do.

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 12:20 pm

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 12:25 pm

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 12:40 pm

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2015 4:29 pm

    Do you think agnostics and atheists will be welcomed as new australians?

    Way down the list I should imagine … we don’t believe in the ONE DOG they all believe in … farcical really …

    Have you noticed that most of these large religions rarely admit female preachers … just who thinks they run this planet?

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2015 4:41 pm

    And Abetz couldn’t understand why a reporter asked for how long Australia would be killing people in Syria … reporter “two, three years” … Abetz, considered it to be irrelevant …

    Well I for one don’t … we’ve just lost 41 soldiers and spent billions of dollars in Afghanistan … we lost 455 men in Vietnam over a decade …

    And Abetz says its not the issue FFS!

    Australia bombing Syria is a futile, expensive, illegal, aggressive (we have a Defence Force not Attack Force!), militarily escalating, religiously driven, political stunt, by Abbott and the Crusaders on his Team Australia!

    Wait for the fridge magnets … coming soon.

  100. September 10, 2015 5:39 pm

    from”””The percentage of women on the Boards of ASX 200 listed companies has grown from 8.3 per cent in 2010 to 18.6% per cent in August 2014”””

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-gender-equality

    #this is astroturfing to peddle `success` to the feminista, rest assured they used `asx-200` to muster-up 18.6% as `their`/govt best number. The WHOLE-asx Australian boardrooms are still stuck in single-digit percentages, unlike the onions, that is DOUBLE the `best` they can muster. To compare teh-onions performance as the same as boardrooms (in-total) is just plain bullshit (see team-cheerers data), teh-onions have been very progressive while the boardrooms have not.

  101. September 10, 2015 6:06 pm

    “Australia bombing Syria is a futile, expensive, illegal, aggressive (we have a Defence Force not Attack Force!), militarily escalating, religiously driven, political stunt, by Abbott and the Crusaders on his Team Australia! ”

    Not legal, a dangerously ignored portent.

    Imagine if similar disregard was applied to us one day?!

    Much more should be made of that.

    And yes, I’ve read the incredible dismissive apologetics about the legality of our politically expedient sabre rattling. I’ve also read US defence types stating that our contribution will make no meaningful difference (apart from, he’s hoping, Abbott’s polling) in Syria…which begs the obvious, rhetorical, question.

    Warloving cunts & their fellow travellers.

    *middle finger salute to you all

  102. September 10, 2015 6:52 pm

    OUR ROLE””The Commission helps people resolve complaints of unfair treatment under the Sex Discrimination Act, including discrimination on the basis of sex, marital (or relationship) status and pregnancy and potential pregnancy. The Act also protects workers with family responsibilities and makes sexual harassment against the law.

    The Sex Discrimination Commissioner works in partnership with a broad range of groups to promote gender equality and

    counter discrimination, sexual harassment, violence against women and other barriers to gender equality. She also undertakes major research projects and provides policy advice to government and others to bring about positive change.”””

    #so will broderick take-on the misogynistic boltsville legal/penal/parole system/s that allow KNOWN butchers and rapists chance after chance to be out and about attacking females time and again, chalking-up multiple victims in their wake, Just as bayley(two-dozen) hunter(half-dozen-victims) and now price(dozen) has done in boltsville.?

  103. September 10, 2015 7:12 pm

    yes dunny, l enjoy mr-rabbits floundering on reportland too, quite a pathetic performance:-)

  104. September 10, 2015 7:40 pm

    more on systematic misogyny, the teabag-media and the talking-head feminista made much `noise` over jooLiar`s `misogyny-speech` directed at mr-rabbit, and most of them failed to notice joolya then recruited mr-rabbit to trash `womens-welfare` for single mothers (neither the generic male, nor even the garden variety sexist-pig had any power to do this, and `may` not even wanted it done) .. YES, womens treatment needs to improve .. take a look at the krusty-burger shooting in bananaland .. but the SYSTEM needs drastic improvement on so many topics, including misogyny .. unless folks (including-feminista) start targeting the correct causes (not the astroturfed, low value targets teabag-media and talking-heads feed the public) nothing will change. Now you have to ask yourself, how did blib vote when joolya and mr-rabbit trashed `womens-welfare`.? .. or gay-marriage.? .. Was any of them any different to the others.?

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2015 10:48 pm

    Now we’ll have a ridiculous system of different classes of refugees. We’ll have the invited ones who get permanent residency and the ones who come from the same country left dead, bashed, assaulted and rotting in nauru or manus, these people don’t even enjoy the status of human beings.

  106. September 10, 2015 11:07 pm

    personally armchair, l reckon the teabags intend bombing as many as possible before they become boaties or make it to the `queue`

  107. September 10, 2015 11:12 pm

    on reportland they had the woman that blew the whistle on misogyny among surgeons (l forget/missed where, but my guess boltsville) which was quite interesting, where the fcuk are the men in these womens lives, fathers, brothers, husbands etc .. they need to have an `off-the-books` discussion with these bigots

  108. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 8:43 am

    these people don’t even enjoy the status of human beings.

    All because they fled. We punish them, but actually pay (reward) people smugglers to smuggle them back. How is that right in anyone’s universe.

  109. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 8:48 am

    Poor little ltdnews hacks who can’t get their message out.

    Which reminds me of a joke I heard yesterday (slightly modified)

    I farted so long and loudly this morning, that the voice recognition software on my phone created a ltdnews article.

    Perhaps this is it?

    And is that how wally posts?

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2015 9:10 am

    Interesting that the USA has announced it will take an additional 10.000 asylum seekers and Australia is to take an additional 12,000.

     What’s Australia’s population vs USA?
     What’s Australia’s GDP vs USA?
     What’s the political complexion of Australia’s PM vs USA’s President?

  111. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 9:25 am

    and Australia is to take an additional 12,000.

    It’s probably the details that upset the msm here.

    From my understanding, the 12,000 is over 4 years, which will not even lift our intake back up to the levels Labors intake was.

    The US intake is in one year, in a chink, on top of an already large number (although dwarfed by European countries)

    It seems like our media is playing the same sort of game they played with our emissions targets, comparing apples with pebbles.

    President Obama is planning to “scale up” the number of Syrian refugees admitted into the U.S. and is informing his administration to make preparations to allow in at least 10,000 displaced Syrians over the next fiscal year that begins Oct. 1.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439222088/u-s-prepares-to-take-in-10-000-syrian-refugees-in-fiscal-year-2016

    Not that what we are doing is not bad, but, credit where it is due 😉

    Labor’s role in Abbott’s policy shift, should not be overlooked either. Considering the electoral damage it had sustained over its disastrous boats policy while in office, the fact that Shorten, his deputy Tanya Plibersek, and his immigration spokesman, Richard Marles, felt inclined to strike out boldly on Monday calling for $100 million of new aid, and a 10,000 place immediate intake of Syrians, is significant.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/syrian-refugee-initiative-puts-tony-abbott-at-centre-of-politics-20150910-gjjcgc.html#ixzz3lNhCDcMl
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  112. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 9:30 am

    New Matilda points out what leigh sales (probably correctly) left hanging there for all to see.

    Seven Times Tony Abbott Did What He Just Told Leigh Sales Not To Do – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/10/seven-times-tony-abbott-did-what-he-just-told-leigh-sales-not-do#sthash.llklN4Uc.dpuf

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 9:31 am

    Maurice Newman is right: “progressives stifle alternative views”.

    http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-93vkLsmM–E/VT5SHn9AeeI/AAAAAAABVP4/ypWDz7v-jX4/liberaltolerance2_thumb2.jpg?imgmax=800

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:03 am

    From my understanding, the 12,000 is over 4 years, which will not even lift our intake back up to the levels Labors intake was.

    Labor lifted the numbers because our humanitarian program was being swamped by boat people. Since Abbott has stopped the boats we can now start taking refugees instead of the country shoppers we were taking under Labor.

    As usual Labor destroys the lives of people by selling our humanitarian places to the highest bidder.

  115. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:15 am

    progressives stifle alternative views

    Someone should tell the oz ROFL

    You know, the paper that tries to litigate away “alternative views”

    Using the snake oil charlatan lomborg as an example is probing the depths. Universities are for academic endeavour, not ideological proponents. If lomberg cannot apply that to his endeavours, don’t blame the Uni.

    nil, you truly are an idiot

  116. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:20 am

  117. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:21 am

    What is with the judges the libs pick?

    A Federal Circuit Court judge from one of Australia’s most famous legal families has been accused of apprehended bias after he rejected more than 250 appeals in migration cases in six months.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/federal-court-judge-alexander-street-accused-of-bias/6764704

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:37 am

    “What is with the judges the libs pick?”

    They are not corrupt political stooges like Lionel Murphy!

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:39 am

    From my understanding, the 12,000 is over 4 years

    Tell me you’re joking! That more smoke and mirrors shite again !

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 10:41 am

    Lomberg is a case in point – a warmist who proposes alternative ways of dealing with the problem. He is hounded and vilified by fucknuckle leftists who do everything possible to destroy his career.

    He has certainly given progressives the opportunity to show their inner fascist. They way they have reacted shows how close to the surface their inner rottenness is! Kill. Them. All.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:07 am

    Lionel Murphy!? Just how old are you?!

    Isn’t Murphy mouldr’n in the ground?

    Let me check … curled his toes in ’86 …

    Corrupt? Political stooge? Now yer talking Fraser and Kerr … surely?

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:08 am

    Corrupt? Political stooge? Now yer talking Fraser and Kerr … surely?

    And what a bout the Dickwit© in the photo above?

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:14 am

    Where’s the reference to 4 years?

    Just remind me again of the relative sizes of Australia’s population, GDP etc vs USA’s…and the political complexions of the administrations.

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:15 am

    nil, you truly are an idiot

    Nope, under Howard we took our refugees from UNHCR camps. Under Rudd/Gillard we sold our places to the highest bidder.

    Labor usually trashes the lives of people. Labor speaks compassion but has no idea what the word means.

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:19 am

    Fraser was a contemptible twat who back-stabbed is way to power. Kerr did the country a great service when the government was falling apart he let the people decide. Whitlam, a dreadful PM and hideous racist, received the judgment of the masses and was booted from office. But neither of them were judges.

    Given the inherent corruption Of Unionland, it is no surprise to see that Murphy, a product of the ALP corruptocrat system, turned out to be one of the few genuinely corrupt High Court judges.

  126. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:23 am

    Where’s the reference to 4 years?

    Yea, I just went looking, and cannot find a reference, In fact, I found one that said they would all be here by mid 2016

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/12000-syrian-refugee-intake-expected-to-cost-700-million-over-four-years-20150909-gjijng.html

    Well, I can’t believe everything I read on blogs.

  127. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:25 am

    a warmist who proposes alternative ways of dealing with the problem.

    He’s a charlatan who makes shit up to suit his agenda, which is why he should not be allowed in a reputable university.

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:29 am

    He’s a charlatan who makes shit up to suit his agenda, which is why he should not be allowed in a reputable university.

    Yep lefties are natural totalitarians. Let us hope they do not get back into power.

    They locked up 2,000 kids last time in power.

  129. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:33 am

    Julie Bitchop?

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/ya-bish#.ew1OoLMl8o

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:33 am

    “He’s a charlatan who makes shit up to suit his agenda, which is why he should not be allowed in a reputable university.”

    No wonder people think progressives are fascists – disagree with them and they fuck up your life the best way they can. That is precisely why we need second amendment rights.

    BTW you should probably read this book. You might get a clue about real charlatans like Michael Mann who goes about falsely claiming to have won a Nobel Prize.

  131. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:34 am

    Yep lefties are natural totalitarians.

    What, because they want truth over ideology?

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:37 am

    I agree with Bishop (and Pyne).

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:42 am

    I see, so the cost is over 4 years because we will house and support them after they’re here.

    The reinterpretation of actual facts is par for the course.

    Meanwhile (so called progressive) Obama’s USA with –
    * 14 times the population
    * 14.5 times the GDP

    …of Australia, takes 2,000 fewer refugees.

    Per capita, to match Australia’s effort, Obama would have announced an intake of additional 140,000 refugees.

  134. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:52 am

    falsely claiming to have won a Nobel Prize.

    Or are they making shit up again?

    The IPCC presented Mann, along with all other “scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports”, with a personalized certificate “for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann#Awards

    This why lomborg whouldn’t be in our Uni’s

    http://www.lomborg-errors.dk/

    Per capita, to match Australia’s effort,

    You mean the “effort” yabot was dragged kicking and screaming to?

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:52 am

    LMAO

    …“progressives stifle alternative views”…

    That phrase, once more, shows the alternate, orwellian universe that conservatives live in. Their thoughts and words are completely divorced from their own actions in the most hypocritical manner.

    To even suggest that alternative views are are being stifled whilst at the same time the machinery of state power is used to crush any dissent from their critics or it’s own citizens and the state media is pilloried, punched, pummelled and bullied into cringing submission. The legal system is abused and misused to attack political enemies. The police force are agents [overt and covert] of the conservative agenda.

    Where are these alternative views being stifled by progressives? From what I can see, the media [print, radio and television] is full of right wing shock jocks venting their spleens and their ‘alternative’ views very loudly and aggressively, drowning out any other voices. Stifled? they’ve got fkn megaphones!

    tony abbott:

    “The problem with a bill of rights is that it takes power off the elected politicians.”

    Exactly, and that’s why we need one.

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/26/1169788690664.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-government-acts-as-law-unto-itself-to-stop-boats-strip-citizenship-20150616-ghprjt.html

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/september/1409493600/david-marr/freedom-abbott

  136. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 12:03 pm

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 12:15 pm

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 12:33 pm

    “The IPCC presented Mann, along with all other “scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports”, with a personalized certificate “

    Man is a compulsive liar. That statement is a lie. Mann also claimed in court documents that he had been “awarded the Nobel Peace Prize”.

    See here about the fraudulent fuckwit Mann:

    Geir Lundestad, Director, Professor, of The Norwegian Nobel Institute emailed me back with the following:

    1) Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
    2) He did not receive any personal certificate. He has taken the diploma awarded in 2007 to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (and to Al Gore) and made his own text underneath this authentic-looking diploma.
    3) The text underneath the diploma is entirely his own. We issued only the diploma to the IPCC as such. No individuals on the IPCC side received anything in 2007.

    He is the perfect poster boy for fraudulent science.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 12:45 pm

    I farted so long and loudly this morning, that the voice recognition software on my phone created a ltdnews article.

    😆 😆

  140. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2015 1:00 pm

    That statement is a lie.

    Well, ya better go and update the wiki 😉

    I see Thomsons STILL getting dragged through the courts

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 1:01 pm

    …a warmist who proposes alternative ways of dealing with the problem…

    Alternative ways of denying the science you mean.

    Let me guess, Lomborg is the IPA’s new best friend, I don’t even need to research it, call it gut instinct!

    …Lomborg believes that global warming has ‘dramatically slowed or entirely stopped’ over the last 12 years. This is a common myth that we’ve busted already…

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/the-low-down-on-lomborg

    Lomborg does not deny the existence of human caused climate change, but he has consistently misrepresented the basic climate science…

    1. Lomborg fundamentally misunderstands climate science.

    2. Lomborg doesn’t get that we need to address the cause of climate change, not just some of the symptoms.

    3. Lomborg forgets that climate change makes many existing challenges worse

    4. Lomborg has no credibility in the scientific community

    …Lomborg’s message hasn’t varied at all in the last decade. For example, he has continued to argue that most greenhouse-related funding needs to be spent on the research and development (R&D) of alternative energy systems to fossil fuels before this alternative is deployed. If we took this approach to R&D we would still only be using land-lines, as mobile phone technology hasn’t been perfected yet! …

    …When someone is unwilling to adapt their view on the basis of new science or information, it’s usually a sign those views are ideologically motivated…

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 1:10 pm

    Peter Dutton overheard joking about rising sea levels in Pacific Island nations
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/dutton-overheard-joking-about-sea-levels-in-pacific-islands/6768324

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2015 1:19 pm

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2015 1:49 pm

    I see Thomsons STILL getting dragged through the courts’

    1. I think you mean “Thomson’s”
    2. That happens to criminals from time to time

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2015 2:20 pm

    …and did I suggest the USA needs to take 140,000 asylum seekers to have the same number per capita??!!

    Apologies, for my error.

    The number should be 170,000!

    They need to top up their current proposal by helping another 160,000 people.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2015 2:41 pm

    Exactly the type of garbage about Lomborg you would expect from the Big Climate hucksters, KL. I don’t particularly agree with his views myself. What I object to is the crazed fascism of people who try desperately to end the careers of Lomborg and other dissenters. That is anti-rational, anti-science and pure evil.

    At least Lomborg does not go about pretending to have won a Nobel Prize.

    And the Climate Council is so objective aren’t they? Do they have an commentary on Mann’s fraudulent Nobel Prize claims? Didn’t think so.

    “Let me guess, Lomborg is the IPA’s new best friend, I don’t even need to research it, call it gut instinct!”

    I hate your gut’s! 🙂 (instinct)

    All decent organisations would oppose the vile campaign to end Lomborg’s career (and Willie Soon’s and Roger Pielke’s and Judith Curry’s and other dissenting voices). But that is what progressives do – if you disagree with their agenda they will smear and revile you and try to have you sacked or dragged before some tribunal or sent for re-education. In this they are reverting to their totalitarian roots.

  147. September 11, 2015 7:38 pm

    t”””I farted so long and loudly this morning, that the voice recognition software on my phone created a ltdnews article”””#guffaw

    #no doubt blot and albrechtsen spent the day defending it:-)

  148. September 11, 2015 11:29 pm

    my abc”””One of the Gold Coast victims, Tara Brown, 24, was killed less than a week after she sought help from police, only to be turned away.

    The young mother was allegedly run off the road by her ex-partner and repeatedly bashed with a metal plate while trapped in her upturned car on Tuesday.

    Her ex-partner and alleged former bikie Lionel Patea, 24, was charged with attempted murder, but that is expected to soon be upgraded to murder.””””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/qld-police-look-to-better-protect-domestic-violence-victims/6767000

    #in bananaland too, police-look-to-better-protect-domestic-violence-victims

    my abc”””Commissioner Stewart said the Police Ethical Standards Command was investigating the police response to Ms Brown’s request for help.

    “Ms Brown did come to the Southport Police Station and raised concerns about domestic violence,” he said.

    “She ultimately went to the nearby courthouse and made a private application … the circumstances surrounding that are part of an ongoing police investigation.

    “The law says that we will investigate any complaint of domestic violence and we already have in place a number of checks and balances to make sure that actually occurs.””””

    #that`s a relief, it is `all` domestic violence and the system is working perfectly, l`m much reassured by stewart there is no systematic failure, no misogyny built into the system, all `action-plans` are working perfectly #silly-me

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 11:28 am

    What I object to is the crazed fascism of people who try desperately to end the careers of Lomborg and other dissenters. That is anti-rational, anti-science and pure evil.

    Pure evil, you’re sounding more like tony abbott everyday!
    ‘stopped the boats’ and ‘daesh death cult, death cult, death cult’ is the answer…to every question!

    The Copenhagen Consensus is anti rational and anti science and is the reason Lomborg was rejected, his consensus has been found to be biased and peddling of political propaganda.

    The dissenters can still have their careers, there is plenty of $ in the denial business.

    They can build their own private unis and put out their ‘alternative theories’ to their heart’s content. What they can’t do is try to infiltrate the established unis and peddle their unscientific and unsupported ‘research’ as if it were accepted science that stands alongside the other. There is the academic tradition and they have to undergo the peer review and rigorous testing the same as everybody else. Lomborg has been found wanting. His Copenhagen Consensus had the government funding pulled from it and he has since tried to find a home. The IPA denier machine funded by the secretive big business/mining lobbies certainly had a lot to do with the Abbott govt inviting him to WA Uni – paid for by the govt. Jo nova would have been ecstatic, she had to

    Why do all these dissenters want taxpayer funding and try to gain credibility by false association? Gina could buy many unis many times over and staff them herself, but it would just mean that everything produced in them is rejected as non peer reviewed or biased rubbish wouldn’t it?

    Lomborg was the IPA/liberal party answer to changing public opinion to favour a ‘do nothing useful’ approach to the problem and to hide under the shroud of academic respectability.

    A disgraceful use of taxpayer’s money and disgraceful attempt to hoodwink the public by political scammers on behalf of vested interests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Consensus

  150. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 11:39 am

    What they can’t do is try to infiltrate the established unis and peddle their unscientific and unsupported ‘research’ as if it were accepted science that stands alongside the other.

    Exactly AO, except I would have used the word “respected” in place of “established ”

    And the reason they are respected, is because they have a certain level of academic rigour they apply to maintain their standing.

    Crying that they are “silencing” people who cannot uphold that rigour is just plain stupid. Almost as stupid as crying in the countries only national broadsheet repeatedly about being silenced.

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 11:41 am

    …#that`s a relief, it is `all` domestic violence and the system is working perfectly, l`m much reassured by stewart there is no systematic failure, no misogyny built into the system, all `action-plans` are working perfectly #silly-me…

    Except for the fact that a woman is still being killed every week.

    How about some of that funding and resources for combating terror being re-directed into family terror. I know, how about the Border Farce nongs doing something of worth in the community instead of stopping people in the streets for immigration papers.

    …Each woman turned to police seeking a domestic violence order to protect them from an increasingly violent ex-partner.

    Each woman is alleged to have subsequently been murdered by him…

    Obviously, something is not working, I’d like to know the results of all those ‘internal inquiries’ where the police clear themselves of any wrong doing or failure.

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2015 11:46 am

    Well if you lot are against Lomborg he must be doing something right.

  153. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:04 pm

    How about some of that funding and resources for combating terror being re-directed into family terror.

    That’s not going to happen AO, in fact.

    How can it be that right now, crisis shelters are being forced to shut down for lack of funds, and last year more than 18,000 calls to the national helpline from women desperate for refuge, for relief, for protection, went unanswered?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/lisawilkinson/dear-mr-abbott-its-time-t_b_8120510.html?utm_hp_ref=australia

    Although, this bit has to be tongue in cheek, or at least a bit of a grovel without any basis in reality

    We know you took on this role because you genuinely care about women.

    😯

  154. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:06 pm

    And this I think should become a slow boiler in the lead up to the election.

    But with the release in August of the 2016 NBN corporate plan and in the light of overseas developments, it is clear that the Coalition’s broadband network will not provide adequate bandwidth, will be no more affordable than Labor’s FTTP network and will take almost as long to roll out.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-nbn-why-its-slow-expensive-and-obsolete-20150908-gji0pr.html#ixzz3lUAmeKUx
    Follow us: @canberratimes on Twitter | CanberraTimes on Facebook

    So, the libs have turned the NoBN into a ture white lephant, that will cost as much (it will end up being more) than Labors full NBN, take as long (longer), and be outdated well before it is completed.

    Well done murdors minions. They have crippled our future all for one mans benefit.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:13 pm

    Obviously, something is not working … still!

    Both my parents have passed away.

    But even today I cannot understand why my mother said nothing, my extended family in England lived in the same village and I cannot believe that no-one knew … surely her injuries were obvious!

    But even in Australia my father seemed to “charm” people and my Mum said (when I once asked her to tell someone) … no-one would believe her … even today my sister (seven years my junior) denies it …

    They were married for almost 60 years! And she nursed him for the last seven – he died of emphysema … its beyond me why she stayed, he was a womaniser, drunkard and a thug.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:26 pm

    Well done murdors minions. They have crippled our future all for one mans benefit.

    And that’s why …

    tony abbott:

    “The problem with a bill of rights is that it takes power off the elected politicians.”

    Exactly, and that’s why we need one.

  157. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:27 pm

    yabots an ignorant fuckwit.

    The only thing saving his arse this time, is that dutton is a bigger ignorant fuckwit.

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:27 pm

    You can take the Qld copper out of the uniform, but you can’t take the bigotry and prejudice out of the man.

    ttps://twitter.com/davidlipson/status/642478516634714112

  159. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:34 pm

    Exactly, and that’s why we need one.

    Somehow I don’t think therein lies the answer TB. Case in point, ‘Merica.

    The only thing that can save us, is regular elections, and a functioning media.

    At least we still have regular elections.

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:38 pm

    Another death knell

    State governments would be stripped of responsibility for funding TAFE colleges under a federal takeover of responsibilities for vocational education and training backed by the Abbott government.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tafe-shakeup-federal-government-pushes-for-vocational-education-takeover-20150911-gjkqg8.html#ixzz3lUKJg2tP
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:39 pm

    Exactly, and that’s why we need one.

    And if you are for it i am against it.

    Thank you TB for making it easy for me to find the truth.

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 12:42 pm

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 1:05 pm

    The only thing that can save us, is regular elections, and a functioning media.

    What’s the point when at every election the people are held hostage to the whims of the government of the day?

    We need inherent and inalienable rights that no politician can remove.

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 1:13 pm

    Abbottonomics: a bizarre new take on jobs:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/abbottonomics-a-bizarre-new-take-on-jobs-20150911-gjk8eb.html#ixzz3lSobbBw1

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2015 1:14 pm

  166. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2015 1:22 pm

    We need inherent and inalienable rights that no politician can remove.

    The right to bear arms?

  167. September 12, 2015 1:54 pm

    ao”””Each woman turned to police seeking a domestic violence order to protect them from an increasingly violent ex-partner.

    Each woman is alleged to have subsequently been murdered by him””#which-state?

    #seems to prove my point really. Plod given the heads-up and fail to FULLY act, or if plod DO act, arse-clown judges release violent animals from their cages. The australian feminista don`t seem to take-on these `tools-of-the-elite`1% too much tho do they, when they did rally-en-mass and make lots of noise about a plod, and what the plod said, the plod was in canadia. .. The feminista in boltsville didn`t go after state judges and plod over known uncaged animals bayley, hunter and now price tho did they.? (prediction, bananaland feminista will do same)

    #slightly different, somewhere in boltsville some abortion clinic/s has dog-club cranks of the Topeka kind harassing their patients, where`s the boltsville feminista.? Recently dog-club inflicted cory went to bananaland to spout his anti-choice nonsense, any sign of the bananaland feminista.?

  168. September 12, 2015 2:39 pm

    TB””its beyond me why she stayed, he was a womaniser, drunkard and a thug””

    #my guess teebz, the women end-up with some type of `stockholm-syndrome` psychological damage/disorder .. l think some of the academic feminista are pushing for aid/funds here .. without the security/safety aspect the other stuff fails

  169. September 12, 2015 4:35 pm

    and a””functioning media””’#GUFFAW

    #yeah, good luck with that one!

  170. September 12, 2015 6:29 pm

    “”my guess teebz, the women end-up with some type of `stockholm-syndrome` psychological damage/disorder ..””

    My guess is that your guess is rather ill informed.

    I suspect that many women who are in abusive relationships are perhaps often too scared to leave and are threatened with further violence should they attempt to do so.

    To suggest that somehow they are ‘infatuated’ with the abusive partner couldn’t be further from the truth in my not so humble opinion.

  171. September 12, 2015 7:25 pm

    wiki””For the article about bonding between hostages and kidnappers, see Stockholm syndrome.

    Traumatic bonding occurs as the result of ongoing cycles of abuse in which the intermittent reinforcement of reward and punishment creates powerful emotional bonds that are resistant to change.””’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_bonding

    wiki””Bonding in abusive relationships[edit]

    Although the victim may disclose the abuse, the trauma bond means that the victim may wish to receive comfort from the very person who abused them.

    PACE UK[4]

    Unhealthy, or traumatic bonding, occurs between people in an abusive relationship. The bond is stronger for people who have grown up in abusive households because it seems to be a normal part of relationships.[2]

    Initially the person that had become an abuser was inconsistent in approach, which developed into an intensity perhaps not matched in other relationships of the victim.

    The longer a relationship continues, the more difficult it is for people to leave the abusers with whom they have bonded””’

    #sorry to resort to `wiki`, l`ve read better, but can`t remember the url, l wouldn`t have chosen/implied `infatuated` to describe some of the odd psych-dynamics that go on #justsayin

  172. September 12, 2015 7:29 pm

    wiki””Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.””

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

    #some of this stuff goes on with dv l`ve heard from others, maybe teebz will clue us up tho

  173. September 12, 2015 10:57 pm

    tweet

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 13, 2015 1:19 am

    Leadership challenge against PM Tony Abbott by Malcolm Turnbull ‘inevitable’, Liberal MPs say:
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/leadership-challenge-against-pm-tony-abbott-by-malcolm-turnbull-inevitable-liberal-mps-say/story-fni0cx12-1227524449616?sv=634c83aa7f135cb8b0ddb3dda1ac676f

    …FRONTBENCH plotters pushing for Malcolm Turnbull’s return to the leadership have declared a challenge inevitable as a new poll predicts the Prime Minister faces a savage 10 per cent swing in the Canning by-election.

    As Liberal MPs prepare to return to Canberra, some ministers have even refused to rule out a revolt this week, before the WA by-election.

    A senior Liberal MP said: “The Prime Minister’s future is done and dusted. Malcolm is the solution. The bottom line is it cannot go on.’’…

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 13, 2015 11:09 am

  176. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:22 am

    bolt recalibrates the depths to which our papers will sink to in publishing crap.

  177. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:26 am

    Compare how @jeremycorbyn speaks on #refugees and social justice with the federal ALP leadership

    A fair enough call on refugees, the ALP have vacated the field.

    On social justice though? Obviously not listening to Labor I guess, just reading the papers?

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:34 am

    Another death knell

    We do have a National Training System administered by the states … and trades are now covered by the NTS Training Packages … crossing borders used to be a real pain in the arse for tradies … and matching quals …

    So the TAFE nationalisation (and hopefully funding!) isn’t such a bad idea … as I mentioned above, the NTS is still administered by the states (within state legislation) … standardisation of vocational education and training is a good thing …

    In fact I discussed the issue with Paul Keating at the official opening to the NTS back in 1992 … it was – you may recall – originally based in Brisbane …

    And for those who don’t know my consultancy was an RTO from 1992 until my retirement in 2005 (prior to that I was an ATO – Approved TO) …

    If only we could nationalise health and safety legislation the same way …

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