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Libs in Crisis as new leadership challenge looks likely to topple Abbott!

September 14, 2015

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In a shock development that has sent Bill Shorten into a meltdown and Tony Abbott once again fighting for his political survival, the Prince of Wentworth, Malcom “Talcum” Turnbull has confirmed that he will challenge the Prime Minister for the leadership of the Liberal Party.

Mr Turnbull held a secret meeting with his colleague Tony Abbott after question time this afternoon to deliver the bombshell.

The deputy leader Julie Bishop also met with Mr Abbott.

Fronting the media at a hastily scheduled press conference in Canberra this afternoon, Mr Turnbull said it had become clear Mr Abbott was not “capable” of the “economic leadership” needed to run the country.

He added that the Liberal Party had lost the last 30 Newspolls in a row, which is quite an accomplishment in anyone’s terms.

“A little while ago I met with the prime minister and advised him that I would be challenging him for the leadership of the Liberal Party,” said Talcum.

Mr Turnbull said he regretted making the decision before the Canning by-election on Saturday adding there were few occasions that were ideal for “touch calls”.

He said that the alternative was to wait and allow the government’s problems to “roll on and on and on” without clear air.

Talcum said it was clear the government had not been successful in providing the economic leadership that the nation needed.

“It is not the fault of individual ministers,” he said without the addition of canned laughter.

“Ultimately, the prime minister has not been capable of providing the economic leadership … he has not been capable of providing the economic confidence that business needs.”

NO MORE CAPTAIN’S CALLS

Mr Turnbull said there must be an end to policy on the run and captain’s calls.

The government needed to be truly consultative with colleagues, MPs and the wider public.

“We need an open government that recognises that there is an enormous sum of wisdom both within our colleagues in this building and, of course, further afield.”

The Gutter Trash understands the leadership spill will happen tomorrow, during the normal party room meeting.

And with thanks to our “exclusive Cabinet sources,” we understand that this time Talcum has the numbers.

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249 Comments leave one →
  1. In_the_sticks permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:08 pm

    “Talcum said it was clear the government had not been successful in providing the economic leadership that the nation needed.”

    So, who wants to break the bad news to Neil ??

  2. September 14, 2015 5:15 pm

    Haha…

    Even when it’s broken to him, he’ll probably still blame every person who voted out Howard in 2007 (seriously). He’s that confused about current affairs.

  3. September 14, 2015 5:17 pm

    Apparently AbbottCorp, all of a sudden, now paying attention to ‘Canberra Insider Games’?

    After having dismissed it all out of hand as recently as this morning.

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:17 pm

    Memories: ‘‘I formed the view that the best way of making sure that this government was back on track … was to take the course that I took last night and this morning,’’ Ms Gillard told parliament.”

    Alas, it seems that now another government has lost its way, but luckily another loyal servant of the people is ready to put things to rights.

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:19 pm

    “After having dismissed it all out of hand as recently as this morning.”

    D’Ya think he wasn’t in it up to his neck this morning?

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:20 pm

    It is in times like this that the naked venality of it all is on show.

  7. September 14, 2015 5:21 pm

    Of course I don’t.

    I rarely believe a word that comes out of his/their mouth.

    I’m just enjoying the blatant exposure of deceptions aired only hours ago!

  8. September 14, 2015 5:24 pm

    Indeed, splatter.

    There will be a further requisite (and warranted) erosion of the credibility of politicians in the eyes of the greater public (again).
    Unfortunately, that isn’t really a great eventuation for the running of the country, in the longer term.

    Hope the fuckers wise up and snap out of it, but none of us should be holding our breathes waiting for that unlikely possibility.

  9. September 14, 2015 5:25 pm

    * our breath

  10. September 14, 2015 5:48 pm

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  11. September 14, 2015 5:54 pm

    In what can best be described as a desperate arse saving exercise, reports suggest Abbott has asked Hockey to step aside..

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:56 pm

    “Hope the fuckers wise up and snap out of it,”

    Dream on. Venality, hubris, stupidity – plenty of that. Common sense and decency not so much.

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:57 pm

    “In what can best be described as a desperate arse saving exercise, reports suggest Abbott has asked Hockey to step aside.

    Quite right – Joe has caused all of Tony’s problems!

  14. September 14, 2015 6:12 pm

    Where’s ToSY…??

  15. September 14, 2015 6:34 pm

    Where’s Kneel?

    * vote to be undertaken tonight.

    It’s enough to make a man take several toasts of Irish whiskey in awe of the egomaniacal mess!

  16. September 14, 2015 6:35 pm

    Abbott, extremely unconvincing in his presser.

    But, I would say that…wouldn’t I?

    Arrogant cunt. Trying to behave like that other political autistic, Churchill.

  17. September 14, 2015 6:44 pm

    Hockey was hilarious! I love the way he gets all teary eyed to make a point – like he did when he said it would be over his dead body if an unaccompanied child would be sent to Nauru…!

  18. September 14, 2015 6:52 pm

    Hockey & Abbott.

    the ship of fools sinks together.

    Hold that thought…imagine if Abbott does hold on?!

    Hockey will be the sacrificial lamb.

    The unrest will be amplified & the implosion will grind on.

    Truly intriguing acts yet to unfold. Who knows which way the Libs will jump (not to mention the Nats) but the small amount of media I’ve seen in the last hour or so seem to have been briefed that the number(s) is up for Anthony Arsehat.

    They’re hoping they can put enough sauce on the shitsandwich to hide its real taste, for the next election; either way.

    I wonder how Andrew ‘SAS’ Hastie is enjoying the carnival he couldn’t wait to be a part of, at the moment?

  19. September 14, 2015 6:55 pm

    Morrison…the conservative choice (anointed by the likes of Bolt etc)…oddly absent so far.

    I think he’s a lot shrewder than the rest of them (the only one of a trio of dipshits who actually noticed there was a boom mic above them the other day).

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 6:56 pm

    Where’s ToSY…??

    Didn’t ask that same question recently …?

    Where’s Kneel?

    Tying himself in knots … on a railway track somewhere?

    But, I would say that…wouldn’t I?

    Abbott: “… and by God the country” (couldn’t help himself … even invoked God as he was preparing for purgatory!)

    We shall cheer in the hospitals, we shall cheer in the schools, we shall cheer in the retirement homes, we shall cheer in the dole queues, we shall cheer in the drill halls and the workplace … and we shall cheer as The Mad Abbott sits next to The Barmy Bishop!

    Footnote: Just remember that Turnbull cost us the Republic Referendum … and … is responsible for the mess we knew as the NBN …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:01 pm

    I wonder how Andrew ‘SAS’ Hastie is enjoying the carnival he couldn’t wait to be a part of, at the moment?

    He seems to fit in … BS and all …

    Just changing leaders doesn’t change the tory ideology one iota … the Liberal National Coalition is still a puppet of big business … and rampant Robber Barons …

    And just as Shorten is stymied by factions in the ALP so too is Turnbull …

    Turnbull with be flogging the Liberal … mmmm … policies (if they ever find or steal any) … and a polished turd still don’t shine … !

  22. September 14, 2015 7:05 pm

    I’m not a Turnbull fan. He’d just be a different, shinier (a little more eloquent) side of the same coin.

    But I do appreciate his intellectual bluntening of Abbott’s crash or crash thru rhetoric (which is patently absurd…and only energises the conservative margins [read: avid Boltlickerz] ) in place of the slogans & ideological nonsense which Abbott has always seemed to imagine passes muster.

    The reference to god makes me laugh. Selective about his god’s pronouncements. And, may I add…Not My god!

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:06 pm

    Malcolm Farr agrees with us I see, toylet …

    A key question will be whether the Malcolm Turnbull who becomes Prime Minister is the same Malcolm Turnbull of old.

    It is likely he will continue policies on climate change, and a national vote on same sex marriage — policies on which he had alternative views. We know he wants the marriage act changed now and endorses a market response to carbon reduction but will not impose himself on the existing Abbott programs.

    He will instead sell those programs, and a few of his own, in a way he believes will be more convincing and politically effective than the tendency for diktat by Mr Abbott.

    Another substantial bonus for Mr Turnbull will be that Mr Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin will no longer be enforcing that atmosphere of diktat.

    A breakdown in relations between Ms Bishop and Ms Credlin led to the Foreign Minister leading the Turnbull offensive.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/dont-think-the-liberal-party-will-all-get-behind-malcolm-turnbull-if-he-is-elected-leader/story-fn5tas5k-1227527019703

  24. September 14, 2015 7:07 pm

    I’m genuinely enjoying this circus.

    Plenty aren’t. Namely, the legion of fools who painted themselves into ideological corners with their vainglorious support & beholden idiocies.

  25. September 14, 2015 7:07 pm

    * The mistruths will out?

  26. September 14, 2015 7:10 pm

    “He seems to fit in … BS and all … ”

    As far as I’m concerned, given the obvious gravity of the Canning election, he wilfully politicised himself & his past. With a hat tip to his having been exploited as an obvious ‘National Security’ candidate by AbbottCorp.

    Martial politics is the very worst kind .

  27. September 14, 2015 7:13 pm

    “Another substantial bonus for Mr Turnbull will be that Mr Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin will no longer be enforcing that atmosphere of diktat.”

    The benefit of that cannot be underestimated, based upon Anthony Arsehat’s performance once in government.

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:21 pm

    1. Hilarious
    2. Go Malcolm

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:50 pm

    Martial politics is the very worst kind .

    Churchill?

    Listening to 7:30 Report … Cormann is in denial – as usual … lives in a fantasyland … or behind cigar smoke and mirrors … 🙂

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:59 pm

    MALCOLM Turnbull’s move to oust Prime Minister Tony Abbott shows Mr Turnbull is a selfish egotist, former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett says.

    SPEAKING on the ABC on Monday afternoon in the wake of Mr Turnbull’s challenge to Mr Abbott’s leadership, Mr Kennett said the prime minister had led a successful government that had stopped asylum seeker boats and signed free trade agreements with China, South Korea and Japan.

    Kennett is a twat … WGAF what he thinks … ‘cept Rupie … and Newscorpse …

    Bernardi just on 7:30 … lalalalllalalallalalalalallalalala!

    This is really funny …

    I do hope Abbott wins … that would be wonderful … and it just might shake up the ALP!

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 8:01 pm

    Seems the comments here have become a bit lopsided in the last few hours … chuckle 😉

  32. September 14, 2015 8:41 pm

    Joint Party Room meeting at 21:15 AEST, according to Guardian Australia…

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:02 pm

    Well I’m so glad that I’m on a day off, have already cracked open a wine [sauv blanc] and feeling good. Perhaps I should have made it a bubbly!

    You gotta laugh, the only ones that are ranting & foaming are the RWNJ’s of the party, the ones that are the problem. The progressives in the party have been so quiet. Arthur has been the only one to disagree with abbott [probably hoping for a turnbull ministry]

    poor tony, no time to round up the abbott girls either, quick, to the VIP jet!

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:03 pm

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:10 pm

    I think Peter Dutton was the final straw!
    Did you know that mark scott the ABC boss handed in his notice today? He goes next year, around june IIRC.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:45 pm

    Is this then, just another broken promise to add to the list … ?

    C’mon, Tones!

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:50 pm

    It’s TURBULL!

    55 to 44 or something

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:50 pm

    correction 54 turnbull, 44 abbott

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:51 pm

    BUGGER!

    54 – 44 Kl …

    Julie Bishop 70 Kevin Andrews 30 (for deputy)

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 9:54 pm

    JBish may as well have been unopposed, kevin bloody andrews!

  41. September 14, 2015 9:56 pm

    Suck my fat one, Abbottlickers…

  42. September 14, 2015 9:57 pm

    * jesus wept? 😆

  43. September 14, 2015 9:58 pm

    Now he can fulfil the role he was born to assume…George Pell’s butler…

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:14 pm

    Go Malcolm

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:21 pm

    But where does the front bench come from … 12 months and nowt much’ll change … you can fool some of the people some of the time …

    I had hoped that Abbott would win tho’ … ’cause the silly pricks took two years to figure out what most of us knew 18 months ago … sharp as a beach full of pebbles …

    I reckon Turnbull moved now because he didn’t want to wear the disaster of the NBN … he must have known it was a stupid and expensive way to build it … if not then he really is as incompetent as The Mad Abbott … but if Abbott insisted Turnbull move in that direction and Turnbull couldn’t fight him then, maybe, Turnbull thought … aw fuck it!

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:21 pm

    Think of all the trouble that abbott can cause while wiling away his time on the backbench!

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:23 pm

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:26 pm

    I reckon Turnbull moved now because the Liberals loolked like a basket case under Abbott.

    Shorten is gone

  49. September 14, 2015 10:27 pm

    There will be repercussions from the uber conservative base.

    This isn’t the end of the matter.

    They have now joined the onerous likes of the disaffected former ALP Government(s).

    A big suck shit to Abbott though; with all my heart. Never popular. Royal enthusiast. War venerator. Fable adherent. Beholden to a minority.

  50. September 14, 2015 10:31 pm

    I find it hard to believe that the basket case will all fall into an orderly line behind Turnbull, YomM?

    Surely they’re just saving the furniture?

    Who the hell knows how quick we’ll be facing a federal election now.

    And so many arsehats around the blogs kept pointing at how much money the punters had put on Abbott leading the Coalition to victory next time. Hilarious. Couldn’t smell the political breeze, apparently…and must have thought that Abbott’s promise breaking post election would be easily forgotten.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:34 pm

    Think of all the trouble that abbott can cause while wiling away his time on the backbench!

    In cahoots with Bronnie! LOL!

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:39 pm

    Abbott was within striking distance of retaining government. A decent campaign could have seen him over the line.

    A Shorten ALP is on the nose, tainted, looking like corrupt hacks.

    Abbott was unable to articulate a contemporary message Turnbull is contemporary

  53. September 14, 2015 10:40 pm

    tb”””he didn`t want to wear the disaster of the NBN”””

    #l think that was a very big part of it too teebz

    #it was great to see the andrews-zombie creamed too armchair:-) #clink #enjoy.the.wine

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:40 pm

    Shorten is gone.

  55. September 14, 2015 10:41 pm

    Next lot of polls will be interesting.

    By election now almost meaningless.

  56. September 14, 2015 10:43 pm

    “Shorten is gone.”

    I do wonder about that.

    Hockey must also be toast? surely?

  57. September 14, 2015 10:43 pm

    Dutton?

    Andrews?

    Cormann?

    etc.

  58. September 14, 2015 10:44 pm

    Curious times.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:45 pm

    Though Turnbull ses to be showing his bottom teeth more than usual. It’s not a good thing.

  60. September 14, 2015 10:47 pm

    hey team-cheerer, how`s the buyers-remorse in caucus going, still glad they trumped the membership-albo-vote for blib.? #teabag.lite.panic

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:49 pm

    Shorten will remain as leader because of the leadership election rules. He won’t be seen as an alternative PM. He’s a lame duck. No credibility, a hack who will only be remembered for knifing 2 PMs

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:50 pm

    Abbott was unable to articulate a contemporary message Turnbull is contemporary articulate.

    I learned something tonight, peta credlin was turnbull’s former CoS.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:54 pm

    No credibility, a hack who will only be remembered for knifing 2 PMs

    Libs won’t be able to use that as a political tactic tomM, they leave themselves open to the same in return.

    Malcolm is on record as saying there would be no change to libs policies on SSM and climate change if he became leader.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:55 pm

    Republic – tick
    Marriage equality -tick
    Economic rationality – tick

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 14, 2015 10:56 pm

    off we go, malcolm just told us all to go to bed!

  66. September 14, 2015 10:56 pm

    ao””peta credlin was turnbull`s former CoS””

    #l bet talkbull didn`t allow peta to try to dictate/meddle with joolee as mr-rabbit did, remember that/those joolee/peta stouche/s.? Pretty sure that`s why joolee wouldn`t `re-enlist` as mr-rabbits deputy.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2015 11:08 pm

    All the Bolt lovers are suddenly irrelevant.

    It’s hilarious.

  68. September 14, 2015 11:19 pm

    tb””changing leaders doesn`t change the tory ideology one iota .. the Liberal National Coalition is still a puppet of big business””’

    #fully agree teebz, but it `may` be enough to fool enough of the punters come vote-time(sadly), and the other lot have helped by running their own dud(against member common sense), tho they will probably `save` more furniture with talkbull, just not the nbn.

  69. September 14, 2015 11:37 pm

    according to laura tingle on my abc latelineland,

    blib was sitting with canberra journo`s having coffee and ””the color drained from blib`s face””when the-spill announcement came up on one of the monitors.

    #yaaaaay.blib

  70. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:13 am

    I think Peter Dutton was the final straw!

    It looks that way, although, he got away with so much before, and, most of the angst was aimed at Dutton, even though yabot laughed along heartily , not “awkwardly” as some journos tried to imply

    Shorten is gone.

    I think he will surprise you yomm. 😉

    still glad they trumped the membership-albo-vote for blib.?

    See above. And see the reaction Corbyn is getting in England. He’s closer to Albo, who has had his fair share of far left brain farts.

    All the Bolt lovers are suddenly irrelevant.

    By suddenly, do you mean since forever?

    And, Shorten reckon turnbull is right lol

    yabots still under his rock

  71. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:17 am

    I think we’ll be seeing more if this. I also wonder if turnbull will be sticking to skype rather than emails?

  72. September 15, 2015 8:40 am

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  73. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:43 am

    but didn’t have the bottle for a defeat speech

    gutless to the end

  74. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:46 am

    I also just watched the lateline from last night, and they said how impressive turnbull will be prosecuting the CHAFTA

    His works cut out for him 😉

    The free trade deal is now about jobs, except the government has got the number all wrong.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-many-jobs-the-chinaaustralia-free-trade-agreement-will-create-hardly-any-20150914-gjlv06.html#ixzz3lkvHAYdJ
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Will he be able to bring to CHAFTA the same magic he brought to the NoBN? (Dog help us all)

  75. September 15, 2015 8:55 am

    The sheer poetry of it all…

    Apparently Abbott was just 4 days away from receiving full post-career parliamentary entitlements as a PM – something like $10 million.

    Boo-hoo…

  76. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:02 am

    I was reading pb lst night (which going into hyperdrive) and they reckon the way he ripped entitlements off rudd will come back to haunt him too.

    I’m feeling quite good today 🙂

    What a relief he’s gorn.

    The worst thing to have happened to Oz politics, ever. Will we be able to get it back on track though?

  77. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:28 am

    Australian’s women are desperate for guidance and uncertain of their future today, after the nation’s highest female representative, Tony Abbott, was forced to stand down.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/09/14/australian-women-left-directionless-after-minister-for-women-loses-job/

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:32 am

    However, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry has urged the nation to unite behind the millionaire former banker and NSW MP as he sets course on his promise to improve the economy and boost business confidence.

    Oh, how we laughed … same puppet-masters, same product, different marketing manager …

    The last one annoyed the shit out of us … the new one looks set to bore the shit out of us …

    Talk the talk but none of ’em walk the walk … and none understand “ordinary/normal” Australia …

    Another Rhodes Scholar (although it does appear that he learned something), but born with a shiny arse with the “right” (‘scuse the pun) contacts … multi-millionaires everywhere in Parliament and you really do need to ask WHY?

    Ask the ACCI …

    Liberal ideology and the “broadchurch” is alive and well … and of course Turncoat is a catlik … 25% of the country’s religions seem to control the place …

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:34 am

    Apparently Abbott was just 4 days away from receiving full post-career parliamentary entitlements as a PM – something like $10 million.

    Well now he can say he had an impact on the budget …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:34 am

    Maybe the conspiracy theory is true. It has been mentioned that the powers to be want Turnbull to be PM because at the upcoming UN climate change conference Turnbull will be more likely to sign away our rights to the UN than Abbott

    This is the conference

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:39 am

    What a relief he’s gorn.

    No, TR, its a shame he’s gorn … as tbagz mentions above … Turncoat will fool more of the people than Abbott and Hockey could …

    My guess is that the country will grind to a halt as the LibNits civil war erupts … no matter what the ructions in the ALP were with Rudd/Gillard/Rudd the Libs particularly are a vicious bunch when they are stirred AND shaken …

  82. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:39 am

    Yes, there’s a bit of a love in from the “business” community

    Why Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister appeals to business

    …Turnbull is favoured by business leaders because of his consummate communication skills. There is a widespread belief that he will be able to use those skills to sell the reform that is needed to put the country’s finances on a firmer footing.

    Turnbull, a former investment banker and one of the founders of the country’s first internet companies, gave a good taste of his economic priorities during his press conference on Monday afternoon.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/brand/chanticleer/turnbull-option-appeals-to-business-20150914-gjmejc#ixzz3ll7yl7G1
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    Wow, he’s an investment banker (doesn’t his wife make all the money?) who was in an internet company (didn’t that have anything to do emails? lol)

    I wonder if these “business” types are actually watching the unfolding fiasco he has unleashed on the NoBN, the most expensive infrastructure project ever undertaken in the country, and well and truly trashed by the “consummate communicator”

    It will be interesting to see where this all leads. Obviously, business were crying out for change. But they have been for years.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:40 am

    Is that Kneel?

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:44 am

    I wonder if these “business” types are actually watching the unfolding fiasco he has unleashed on the NoBN, the most expensive infrastructure project ever undertaken in the country, and well and truly trashed by the “consummate communicator”

    Yep, his magical communication skills had me and a lot of other NBN advocates fooled – NOT!

    Turncoat is just another fail … a smiley, likeable, articulate one … but still a fail …

    Should be good for the Opposition if they can “seize” the moment … as the Liberals “freeze” the moment …

  85. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:48 am

    … Turncoat will fool more of the people than Abbott and Hockey could …

    Time will tell TB

    Obviously, being opposition leader is far different to being PM

    But, most of the libs policy remains. I still think the policy is their weakness, and turnbull will have a lot of trouble trying to hide that (as I highlighted re the CHAFTA)

    yabot just did too much damage, the dutton joke a perfect example.

    And, I don’t underestimate Shorten. He had yabots measure, I’m pretty confident he will have turbulls.

    And, turnbulls got a lot of unhinging RWNJ’s to contend with also

    Shortens just got the media pack, as always. He will be next on their hit list, as Tingle alluded to last night.

  86. September 15, 2015 9:49 am

    “Apparently Abbott was just 4 days away from receiving full post-career parliamentary entitlements as a PM – something like $10 million.

    Boo-hoo…”

    I can’t describe how happy that information makes me feel!

    Excellent.

  87. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:50 am

    And Shorten/Labor will push this repeatedly, particularly if/when the ship don’t turn.

  88. September 15, 2015 9:52 am

    “Maybe the conspiracy theory is true.”

    Kneel Nutcase of Sydney.

    unfknblvbl!

    Abbott got himself where he is today by being Abbott. Elaborate conspiracy theories are just that. Desperate fool.

  89. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:52 am

    I can’t describe how happy that information makes me feel!

    Voyeur 😉

  90. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:55 am

    Last night was a great victory for Goldman Sachs and the Masters of the Universe. Economic policy will go from chaotic incoherence to a consistent prosecution of the economic interests of the banking sector and large corporates.

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:58 am

    “Abbott got himself where he is today by being Abbott.”

    True dat! He had every opportunity to deliver good government. Instead he decided to just be himself.

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:58 am

    Abbott got himself where he is today by being Abbott.

    It is not a good idea to throw out an elected PM. One problem Abbott had was he did not have the numbers in the Senate to pass his legislation.

    I think Turnbull is in the wrong party. He is smart but does Turnbull have any wisdom?

  93. September 15, 2015 10:00 am

    The Bolt gargoyles are going through vivid paroxysms today, lead of course by their Outrager In Chief, Herr Andrew.

    The fruits of partisan arsehattery are rarely sweeter than at times like these.

    Eventually, you’d think, they’re going to have to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to get behind their new hood ornament, even Herr Andrew. In fact, the day Herr Andrew does it will probably be the day most of the currently heartbroken lickspittles all get back into line behind The Cause, like good servile Bolt pawns.

  94. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:02 am

    Further from that CHAFTA article. The “jobs created” will actually be “less than a rounding error” in unemployment statistics.

    And that is taking all three “Free Trade” agreements into acocunt.

    This is a huge revelation, that will probably be overshadowed by todays events. But it is quite clear, we have been sold out!

    How could the government get its own report so ridiculously wrong?
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-many-jobs-the-chinaaustralia-free-trade-agreement-will-create-hardly-any-20150914-gjlv06.html#ixzz3llDmM7PC

    I get the feeling, quite deliberately!

  95. September 15, 2015 10:04 am

    ” He is smart but does Turnbull have any wisdom?”

    Well, first of all, he was wise enough to wait until he knew he had Abbott skewered before coming out in the open with it. That probably demonstrates political acumen, given that he stayed his hand earlier in the year.

    I think splatter outlines his likely trajectory succinctly above.

  96. September 15, 2015 10:06 am

    “One problem Abbott had was he did not have the numbers in the Senate to pass his legislation.”

    Hmmmm…more blaming of any factors other than Abbott.

    If his legislation wasn’t such a slap in the face to vast swathes of the voting public, he’d have been far more likely to have it passed, I’d suggest.

    Blaming the Senate is a total copout; straight from Herr Andrews playbook of excuses & apologia.

  97. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:12 am

    Labors first question to turnbull today should be “Do you still support unreservedly and wholeheartedly every element of the budget”?

  98. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:16 am

    Economic policy will go from chaotic incoherence to a consistent prosecution of the economic interests of the banking sector and large corporates.

    Which for most people will have the same result. Shit Sandwich

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:21 am

    It is not a good idea to throw out an elected PM.

    Abbott was “selected” by the people who “de-selected” him … he was not a president … prime ministers are elected by the party … not the people …

  100. September 15, 2015 10:23 am

    The one thing I will say for Turnbull, he is unlikely to have the same cringeworthy, embarrassing presence when he speaks as our International figurehead.

    Abbott’s gravitas was non-existent…his unthinking, blunt verbal rhetoric legion.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:23 am

    Out of the frying pan into the fire … the Liberal kitchen burneth like hell …

    I reckon we haven’t heard from Abbott ’cause they had to tie him down … and keep wiping the spittle away …

    Like all bullies he’s basically a coward …

  102. September 15, 2015 10:25 am

    “Abbott was “selected” by the people who “de-selected” him … he was not a president … prime ministers are elected by the party … not the people …”

    A common misconception, to be sure. And one that Abbott himself was trying to riff off of late yesterday, his last desperate bid to cling to power as he made the gallows walk.

    Has the gutless fuck still not fronted the media? Even Rudd had more spine.

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:26 am

    Abbott was “selected” by the people who “de-selected” him

    Well they could have de-selected him at the next election.

    If his legislation wasn’t such a slap in the face to vast swathes of the voting public, he’d have been far more likely to have it passed, I’d suggest.

    ALP/Greens would never support a Coalition budget whether it is good or bad. If it was a good budget they will always find some excuse not to vote for it.

    Abbott should have been allowed to serve the full 3 years.

  104. September 15, 2015 10:29 am

    “It is not a good idea to throw out an elected PM. ”

    Kneel is probably correct, in a way. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people feel like they’re voting for a PM…and that’s how an alienation of a part of the base comes into play. I’m sure that was a factor in the ALP’s demise.

    It’s yet to be proven how many votes Turnbull gains from the middle, juxtaposed with how many he loses from the rusted-on conservatives.

    I imagine marginal backbenchers, who were heading for near certain slaughter under Abbott & his weekly (daily?) devolutions, are probably a bit more optimistic this morning.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:30 am

    Agree, toylet, at least Turncoat scrubs up reasonably well …

    Even if Turncoat makes a good fist of it … he really doesn’t have much back-up in the way of front bench talent … someone mentioned Chrissie Pyne becoming Defence Minister … that someone must have a very sick sense of humour … or not very much knowledge of the ADF and its relationship with pollies …

    Will Turncoat tackle:

    ◊ Negative Gearing?

    ◊ Trust Funds?

    ◊ Super Welfare for the Rich?

    ◊ Multinational Tax Avoidance?

    ◊ Pollies Post-office Perqs?

    It looks like he’s made a bit of a dent in last one … 🙂

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:32 am

    A common misconception, to be sure.

    And used by desperate politicians who should know better …

    Abbott should have been allowed to serve the full 3 years.

    How much I wanted that to be …

  107. September 15, 2015 10:33 am

    “ALP/Greens would never support a Coalition budget whether it is good or bad. If it was a good budget they will always find some excuse not to vote for it.”

    Bullshit, Kneel.

    I’d say it’s demonstrably false to claim that the ALP/Greens/Independents rejected 100% of the Coalition’s legislative attempts.
    They, nor you, shouldn’t expect to pass the contentious stuff unchallenged; not to mention the arrogant way they tried to ram things through.

    People like you just expect a rubber stamp when your lot is in Government.

    As if Abbott didn’t do his best to talk down & imperil near everything the ALP did while he was LOTO.

  108. September 15, 2015 10:35 am

    “Abbott should have been allowed to serve the full 3 years.”

    The best possible outcome for the ALP, right there!

    I can only imagine the ongoing self immolation if Abbott had been allowed to continue.

    Are you daft? did you want the Coalition to become a rump, with the ALP given unrestrained governance to implement its agenda? (coz I didn’t…that’s not healthy).

  109. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:39 am

    Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people feel like they’re voting for a PM…and that’s how an alienation of a part of the base comes into play. I’m sure that was a factor in the ALP’s demise.

    Too true toylet. And, I wonder if we will see the same unhingement from the media over this one, or is it now becoming par the course.

    The ltdnews meltdown has been particularly entertaining, but that’s only because their far right hero is gorn.

    And, apparently, toolman was wuite entertaining last night, verging on tears, and defending yabot to the last.

    If it had been any other abcintern acting the same way over a Labor politician, the scythes would be out.

  110. September 15, 2015 10:39 am

    So the word on the street is that the reason Abbott hasn’t announced his resignation is that he’s trying to drag the process out by another 4 days so that he can get his $10 million pension.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if true.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:46 am

    I have always said that if you don’t pay enough attention history will repeat itself, will repeat itself … the Liberal Party just lost its high moral stance …

    Rudd/Gillard/Rudd = Turnbull/Abbott/Turnbull …

    The Libs lost the “better economic managers” call two years ago …

    Nothing has changed for the better, for the country, for the majority of hardworking, bill paying, child rearing, single or couple, young or old Australians!

    Still controlled by Robber Barons … what happened to our egalitarian, have a go, fair go, take the piss, work and have fun together national culture?

    I can tell you in one simple symbol that we have become obsessed with … $

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:48 am

    … with the ALP given unrestrained governance to implement its agenda? (coz I didn’t…that’s not healthy).

    Indeedy!

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:49 am

    “at least Turncoat scrubs up reasonably well”

    When Gordon Gretch is not his valet, that is.

    “Wouldn’t surprise me if true.”

    Politician. Trough. Snout.

    It is as true as night follows day.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:50 am

    Wouldn’t surprise me if true.

    If it is then there should be a Royal Commission … into pollies perqs …

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:52 am

    Shorten should be worried. The party may have been happy with him facing Abbott. Facing Turnbull not so much.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:52 am

    In fact if it is true, it is fraudulent and thieving from the people’s treasure chest … let him pay off his mortgage by actually working for someone …

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:53 am

    The worry for the ALP is that their left flank is being cannibalised by the Greens and now Turnbull is attacking from the centre.

  118. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:56 am

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:56 am

    I’d say it’s demonstrably false to claim that the ALP/Greens/Independents rejected 100% of the Coalition’s legislative attempts.

    I suspect ALP/Greens would always oppose Coalition legislation. I do not know what they did during the Howard years but i would be surprised if they supported Coalition policies. I do know they opposed the GST from beginning to end and only got it through the Senate with the help of the Democrats,

    The Libs lost the “better economic managers” call two years ago …

    Nobody is as bad as economic managers as ALP/Greens. ALP policies causes rising unemployment There has never been a ALP govt that has reduced unemployment.

    Nothing has changed for the better, for the country, for the majority of hardworking, bill paying, child rearing, single or couple, young or old Australians!

    Everything got worse under Rudd/Gillard. The highlight of Labors policies was the locking up of 2,000 kids.

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:57 am

    Well TB is Shorten committed to fixing anything on your list?

    One of the benefits of Turnbull’s independent wealth is that he is beholden to no narrow interest. He won’t be hanging out for a pension and he won’t need post parliamentary consulting and lobbying.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 15, 2015 10:59 am

    The comparison with the ALP hack structure is stark.

    Shorten is a low grade hack with the connections and ethics to match.

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:02 am

    “How many jobs? The China-Australia Free Trade Agreement will create hardly any “

    What about the astroturf jobs holding up CFMEU’s pre-printed placards.

  123. September 15, 2015 11:02 am

    “”Shorten is a low grade hack with the connections and ethics to match.””

    And I suspect his low graderyness and hackery are going to be exposed very soon. He’s no match for Talcum.

  124. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:04 am

    If it is then there should be a Royal Commission … into pollies perqs …

    Now there is this

    He’s no match for Talcum.

    Will be interesting to watch, but ………… I’ve sed my peace 😉

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:07 am

    “One of the benefits of Turnbull’s independent wealth is that he is beholden to no narrow interest.”

    He is not in this for the money. Malcolm has always been everything for Malcolm and only for Malcolm.

    He is Malcolm Fraser all over again. Arrogant, destructive and pure ego.

    Every decision he makes will have one eye on his legacy which means essentially how leftist historians will view him.

  126. September 15, 2015 11:07 am

    “I suspect ALP/Greens would always oppose Coalition legislation.”

    And, as usual with your obdurate absolutism, you are wrong.

    Presumably, you understand what ‘always’ means?

  127. September 15, 2015 11:10 am

    “Is Turnbull holding off changing Cabinet so the incumbents clock up their 2 years service? Which falls on Friday. ”

    If that is indeed the case, there should be a righteous fury & backlash!

    Surely even Abbott, much less Turnbull, isn’t that stupid?!

    The very thought of such machinations angers me to the bone.

  128. September 15, 2015 11:11 am

    Could that be the ‘pay off’ for Abbott going quietly?

    Now there’s a plausible conspiracy theory for you Kneel. 😉

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:12 am

    I was pleased to see paul barry ripping into those claims about aylan kurdi’s father just wanting new teeth last night. it’s a bit different when you know he had them pulled out under torture.

    I was reading pb lst night (which going into hyperdrive) and they reckon the way he ripped entitlements off rudd will come back to haunt him too.

    what’s pb?

    Well, are we cleansed now? Rudd is gone, gillard is gone and now abbott gone, has that ended the period of nasty personal and violent feral politics in this country, or will it go another round with turnbull paybacks?

  130. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:16 am

    what’s pb?

    Sorry AO, still living in my own little world 😉

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/09/15/malcolm-turnbull-form-guide/?comment_page=4/#comments

    Rudd is gone, gillard is gone and now abbott gone, has that ended the period of nasty personal and violent feral politics in this country

    In defense AO, getting rid of yabot was all that was needed. The nastiness started at the precise time he became opposition leader, and didn’t abate with the removal of Gillard or even Rudd.

    He tarnished everyone around him. Which is why I’m thinking Shorten will shine a bit brighter now (hoping?)

  131. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:21 am

    Well TB is Shorten committed to fixing anything on your list?

    You really live in a bubble of yor own creation don’t you yomm!

  132. September 15, 2015 11:36 am

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  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:37 am

    “I was pleased to see paul barry ripping into those claims about aylan kurdi’s father just wanting new teeth last night. it’s a bit different when you know he had them pulled out under torture.”

    So you fell for the bullshit too? The ABC isn’t a news organisation it is a political actor, a public resource captured and exploited by a cabal of leftist thieves.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:41 am

    In defense AO, getting rid of yabot was all that was needed. The nastiness started at the precise time he became opposition leader, and didn’t abate with the removal of Gillard or even Rudd.

    I agree with that tomR, abbott brought the entire country into disrepute, he broke all the rules of decency and parliamentary tradition. He should never have got into a position of being OL or PM, he never had the ability to be a decent leader. He’s the snarling junkyard dog who should have been kept on a short lease. The mike tyson of australian politics.

    Let’s face it, he was an embarrassment as PM, he couldn’t string more than 3 words together!

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:59 am

    So you fell for the bullshit too? The ABC isn’t a news organisation it is a political actor, a public resource captured and exploited by a cabal of leftist thieves.

    We need to have confidence that our powerful and concentrated media is responsibly reporting local and world events. People still think that if something is in the paper then it must be true, that is why ‘opinion’ is so often disguised as news, to fool and manipulate public opinion for a particular political outcome. We need someone to watch over them especially as they can’t even abide by their own lax self-regulation.

    The MSM is so hysterically and extreme right wing that it makes the ABC look left by comparison.

  136. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 12:04 pm

    he broke all the rules of decency and parliamentary tradition.

    His crying about how unfair and unruly Parliament was shit me no end after the low down bullshit he pulled when in opposition, the refusal to offer pairs just being the tip of the berg.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 12:44 pm

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/australia-will-forgive-malcolm-turnbull-in-a-way-they-never-forgave-julia-gillard-20150914-gjmmni.html

    …For years, at every given opportunity, whether in parliament on radio, on QandA or on other television programs, Liberal politicians instilled in the minds of the Australian public that she had gotten her leadership illegitimately…

    …And now, after failing spectacularly at every turn — in climate policy, economic policy, immigration, health, and education, the Libs have done the very thing that they decried, the very thing that engineered their victory in the first place.

    This is the current state of the conservative mentality: behaviour that is intolerable and unforgiveable in others is perfectly acceptable when they do it.

    Most tragic of all is that Australia will forgive them. Australia will forgive Turnbull in a way they never forgave Gillard…

  138. September 15, 2015 12:52 pm

    Just watched Abbott ‘concede’.

    He still doesn’t get much of it, imo.

    Blaming media & others & making false assertions about his ‘success’. Ending it all with a syrupy imploration to his imaginary friend.

    Good riddance.

  139. September 15, 2015 12:57 pm

    Claims he won’t be ‘wrecking’, ‘backgrounding’ or ‘whiteanting’. I doubt that applies to his, soon to be deposed Praetorian Guard of conservative cockshiners, who will still be lurking thereabouts.

    Presumably, there’s at least 44 disgruntled Lib MP’s…and a percentage of them may find it difficult to just ‘cop it on the chin’.

    Full credit to Abbott if he manages to live up to his own words, but based upon the credibility of past utterances, why the fuck would I blindly believe anything he said?

  140. September 15, 2015 12:58 pm

    is it just me teabags, or do the citizens seem quite happy today.? .. tho l did notice caucus all called-in sick

  141. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 12:58 pm

    Most tragic of all is that Australia will forgive them. Australia will forgive Turnbull in a way they never forgave Gillard…

    I think she meant “teh media” 😉

    But a lot rests on if yabot and/or his supporters will do a rudd.

  142. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 12:59 pm

  143. September 15, 2015 1:06 pm

    Yes indeed. His protestations regarding criticisms & the media are exceedingly hollow, given his long history of behaviour as he strove for the throne which he couldn’t keep.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:11 pm

    Well TB is Shorten committed to fixing anything on your list?

    Well, ToM, I don’t care which side fixes it as long as its fixed … if Turnbull does it he will get my vote … at the moment its looking very green …

    One of the benefits of Turnbull’s independent wealth is that he is beholden to no narrow interest. He won’t be hanging out for a pension and he won’t need post parliamentary consulting and lobbying.

    Ya reckon? Greed begets greed in the world of the tories …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He is not in this for the money.

    No … but other people are and “power” is as addictive as $$ to some people …

  145. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:12 pm

    His protestations regarding criticisms & the media are exceedingly hollow

    Indeed

  146. September 15, 2015 1:14 pm

    I wonder if he is including the insidious Bolt Fever in his hyperbole? Somehow, I think not.

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:25 pm

    The reason why “the left” hate Abbott so much is because he is a more dangerous opponent. Labor are sure to win the next election with Turnbull leading the Coalition.

  148. September 15, 2015 1:26 pm

    HA-HA-HA fcuking HILARIOUS reb, l`m SO fcuking GLAD to see mr-rabbits trough-snouting `entitlements` fall-short by a few days. FCUK mr-rabbit.

    #fcuk.him.hard

  149. September 15, 2015 1:27 pm

    More dangerous opponent my arse.

    You are a caricature of ignorance.

    None so blind.

    Abbott was dragging the Coalition into the abyss.

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:36 pm

    “soon to be deposed Praetorian Guard of conservative cockshiners”

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:38 pm

    Abbott was dragging the Coalition into the abyss.

    Do you remember the poll numbers when Turnbull was leader of the Opposition? The Coalition won govt only because of Abbott.

    The left wants Turnbull because he is a pushover.

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:41 pm

    His protestations regarding criticisms & the media are exceedingly hollow

    The same media that swaddled him in cotton wool and ignored all of his glaring shortcomings in his run up to the lodge AFP barracks.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:44 pm

    …is it just me teabags, or do the citizens seem quite happy today.? .. tho l did notice caucus all called-in sick…

    I definitely felt lighter in spirit!

  154. September 15, 2015 1:53 pm

    “The Coalition won govt only because of Abbott.

    The left wants Turnbull because he is a pushover.”

    Again, demonstrable crap from you.

    The Coalition only won Government because Abbott wasn’t Gillard/Rudd. Similarly, Rudd won Government because he wasn’t Howard.

    Abbott has never been personally popular with the normal public (not the fringe loonies who lap up Boltisms). He would’ve been the ALP’s greatest asset at the next federal election…and would’ve made who knows how many more aggravating blunders between then & now.

    Even if ‘Turnbull is a pushover’, which I doubt, you are way off the mark about the motivations of ‘the left’. Sure, Turnbull’s more nuanced ‘message’ resonates better with the middle, as it should, but most self respecting genuine leftists recognise that he’s probably just a shinier hood ornament on the same Coalition vehicle.
    It’s hard to tell how many votes he’ll lose from the rightard fringe.

    I’m enjoying the disenfranchisement of you & those like you.

  155. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:54 pm

  156. September 15, 2015 1:56 pm

    “”I’m enjoying the disenfranchisement of you & those like you.””

    Me too…!!

    Alan Jones is having a meltdown because he said Malcolm Turnbull would never be PM.

    It almost matches Jeff Kennett’s hysterical rant on ABC radio yesterday afternoon when the spill was announced…. 🙂

  157. September 15, 2015 1:56 pm

    @boltcomments is pure comedy gold today!!

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:58 pm

    It almost matches Jeff Kennett’s hysterical rant on ABC radio yesterday

    Apparently SkyNews went off the rails last night too.

  159. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2015 1:59 pm

    It’s hard to tell how many votes he’ll lose from the rightard fringe..

    Or where they will go?

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 2:20 pm

    Alan Jones: “People don’t want to vote for Turnbull, and they don’t want to vote for [Labor leader Bill] Shorten. We’ve got a shit sandwich.’ And I think that’s most probably it.”

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 2:21 pm

    Here is Monckton saying why the left want Abbott removed and replaced by Turnbull before the Paris climate change conference in December 2015.

  162. September 15, 2015 2:25 pm

    AO””Well, are we cleansed now? Rudd is gone, gillard is gone and now abbott gone, has that ended the period of nasty personal and violent feral politics in this country, or will it go another round with turnbull paybacks?”””

    #nah, don`t think so armchair, the zombies probably realize they not only need to save the furniture, they also need to save their teabag reputation among their business puppet-masters. Splatters is partly correct,

    splatters””He is not in this for the money. Malcolm has always been everything for Malcolm and only for Malcolm.””

    splatters””Arrogant .. and pure ego .. Every decision he makes will have one eye on his legacy which means essentially how””business will receive him when he eventually `exits` politics. #Ditto for most of the other zombies too.

    #The remaining teabags will not want to exit politics and return to the business-world with the talkbull/rabbit-nbn, the eleventy-budgets and doubled-debts/deficit, the rabbit job-loss/growth-loss, confidence-loss etc .. Talkbull is shrewd enough to know these items all look crap on the business resume and can`t be bullshitted about to future employers, Talkbull will also be talented enough to explain this to his zombie-herd and get them in line.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 2:34 pm

    Malcolm: we are all “volunteers” and our families are “conscripts” …

    GMAFB … Abbott light?

  164. September 15, 2015 2:48 pm

    Just noticing some of the faces on QT,

    joolee and poodle look pleased/happy

    blib scared/worried, plib deep in thought, dude next to plib looks quite `stern`/tense-maybe

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:00 pm

    The Right To Throw A Tanty: We Watched The Abbott Loyalists Explode, So You Didn’t Have To:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/09/15/right-throw-tanty-we-watched-abbott-loyalists-explode-so-you-didn%E2%80%99t-have?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.VjiLhCEi.dpuf

    I think abbott could not give a presser until today because he would not have had his anger in check, that’s why he had to wait until today.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:02 pm

    Nothing is new …

    Musical chairs to the same music …

    I hope enough Australians aren’t fooled and the rest punish the BS soundly …

  167. September 15, 2015 3:02 pm

    Ahahaha…goes to the False Lord, for a strengthening of conspiracies against Abbott!

    Why am I not surprised.

    Are you sure you can’t work in the reptilian one world government angle too, Kneel?

    Maybe Turnbull & leftists brought down the Twin Towers?

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:04 pm

    … because he would not have had his anger in check …

    … as I said, KL, had to tie him down and wipe away the spittle …

    BTW, Turncoat is now defending the emissions program …

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:04 pm

  170. September 15, 2015 3:04 pm

    Abbott is about as humble as Napoleon. Petulant fuckwit.

    But give him some credit, he’s the only one who could have saved us from the chemtrails & with him gone they’ll be free to just vaccinate us all with nano-chips against our will.

  171. September 15, 2015 3:10 pm

    t””I`m thinking Shorten will shine a bit brighter now (hoping?)””’

    #you`re definitely `hoping` team-cheerer, blib is where he`s at, all under his own and caucus steam, not anything any teabag did, watch those preferred leader polls, blib been around minus-10 for ages, looking good against rabbit at minus-23, while talkbull has always been in positive numbers (like-albo), l won`t say talkbull is for `certain` at next years vote, but blib now has to catch-up, by miles

    #by the way, they just called, caucus will all be off sick tomorrow too:-)

  172. September 15, 2015 3:28 pm

    Correctio, he`s the only one who could have saved us from the `gillard-watermelon-leftist`chemtrails & with him gone they`ll be free to just vaccinate us all with `greenz-rudd-warmist`nano-chips against our will. #squirt.squirt

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:29 pm

    Are you sure you can’t work in the reptilian one world government angle too, Kneel?

    Thanks. Forgot to add that. But that youtube clip by Monckton was given some time ago.

    And i doubt that Turnbull is more humble than Abbott.

    Malcolm got his wish to be PM but i do not think he will do better than Abbott

  174. September 15, 2015 3:38 pm

    k””i do not think he will do better than Abbott”””

    #l know, it`s terrible. l`ve been receiving complaints all day! The death-cult want to know what happened to their `brand-ambassador`.

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 3:59 pm

    There’s not much sympathy around for abbott, most saying abbott only has himself to blame.

    Just a taste, there’s so much more 🙂

    I cut & paste an extract for you as it’s $walled [scroll on by if you like]

    crikey pays out [isn’t everybody?]

    Rundle: the fire-breathing Catholic warrior comes unstuck, as we always knew he would:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/09/15/rundle-the-fire-breathing-catholic-warrior-comes-unstuck-as-we-always-knew-he-would/

    … Much of his life has been a search for external constraints on his internal conflicts: between the call to piety and humility and the thirst for glory and the glittering prizes, between the moral demands of his faith and his libido, between the Christian message of peace, and his extraordinary aggressiveness, between the cosmopolitan modernity in which he must live, and his disdain for “the others”. He looked for that first in traditional life: the student right, Oxford and traditions, etc. He looked for it in the seminary. Eventually he looked for it in physical discipline, the body made into such a hard shell as to contain him. The role of leader of the opposition gave him the whole of Parliament House to contain it — within its thick walls he could let rip. When he had to go outside, as in the 2013 election, he was managed by Credlin and co, like the Tasmanian Devil of the old Looney Toons cartoons: a dark blur let out and re-caged at 15-minute intervals. But of course, the one role in any society where there is no restraint is that of the sovereign. There was now nothing to hold his chaos in. So the chaos of this government came right from the very centre. The thing was contradictory, divided, and leak-riven, fantasising and disorganised, because Abbott is, and he imparted this to the whole enterprise…

    …For Tony Abbot, well, I feel for him at a human level. Who wouldn’t? He reached the ordained acme of his life, only to find that it has all been a ghastly joke on him, with an audience of 25 million. For make no mistake about it, this is whole-life failure on a grand scale, bread too bitter to the taste to eat. This is not “tried nobly and failed”, “reached too high”, “disappointing end to a distinguished career”. Abbott’s very ordinary political career and thin list of ministerial achievements was all focused on this moment, defined by its presumed achievements. But there were none, and that works backwards along the line. Tony Abbott is not simply an Australian political failure — he is the new standard of Australian political failure, the failure equivalent of the standard metre, lying inert and separated in a super-cooled vault in Paris. His failure of execution was all his own, but it was bound up in the right’s fantasy view of the world — that there is some natural state of affairs where the free market roars into every area of life, but traditional society remains sacred. Any change in it, any loosening of it, must therefore be the work of enemies, the elites, the relativists, etc. And so eternal traditional society must be imposed by the state, which is simply enforcing what is there anyway. But not there. Which, etc. The position itself is chaotic and self-contradictory, no reason why its exponents wouldn’t be.

    But Abbott, man. He really took it to the buffers…

    …It is possible to get your life wrong for years, decades at a time, and stay that way until it’s too late to change, and it’s pretty chilling to see that played out in dumb show. The captains and the kings depart. So does the laughter and the schadenfreude pretty quickly, and we are left with the terror of it, and the pity, and all played out on the main stage of history.

    [Keane] The leader who had it all, and blew it with relentless negativity:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/09/15/the-leader-who-had-it-all-and-blew-it-with-relentless-negativity/

    So farewell, Australia’s worst prime minister.

    It’s almost impossible to overstate how bad a leader Tony Abbott was…

  176. September 15, 2015 4:04 pm

    “”Tony Abbott is not simply an Australian political failure — he is the new standard of Australian political failure””

    Hear hear!

    And not just a political failure, but;

    a failed boxer
    a failed priest
    and a failed journalist…

    jesus wept.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:06 pm

    Well if the left hates Abbott that is good evidence he is doing something right.

    And if the left likes Turnbull that is good evidence that Turnbull is no good.

  178. September 15, 2015 4:07 pm

    “l know, it`s terrible. l`ve been receiving complaints all day! The death-cult want to know what happened to their `brand-ambassador`.”

    Hahaha…Excellent point!

    He was the tewwawists best friend Advertising Executive!

  179. September 15, 2015 4:16 pm

    “Well if the left hates Abbott that is good evidence he is doing something right.”

    Today he is doing something right. Getting his belligerent arse the hell out of the Prime Minister’s Office!

    It still pleases me in a ‘Downfall Of Howard’-like fashion.

    Yay, for seeing the sloganeer fall to his knees and snarl off over the horizon.

  180. September 15, 2015 4:16 pm

    crikey””the laughter and the schadenfreude””

    #l`m still over-dosing on it

    #and l expect to be for some time

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:19 pm

    Waiting for payday.

    Tony Abbott stripped Kevin Rudd of staff and travel entitlements after winning office
    September 17, 2014
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-stripped-kevin-rudd-of-staff-and-travel-entitlements-after-winning-office-20140916-10hng6.html#ixzz3lml8d2hj

    Tony Abbott stripped Kevin Rudd of travel entitlements he had granted his prime ministerial predecessor just one month prior, documents show.

    But the Prime Minister’s office defended the action on Tuesday night and said the Coalition had simply unwound special deals cooked up by the Labor Party.

    Under the current system, new prime ministers are allowed to set the benefits awarded to their predecessor…

  182. September 15, 2015 4:23 pm

    “”When it did come, the concession contained no mention of Turnbull, no magnanimity towards the victor, and no real responsibility for his own leadership failings.

    In their place was a manifest anger, rent with the faults of everyone from the leakers in his party room to the media who reported them. Anyone in fact, but the people running the show itself.””

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/liberal-leadership-tony-abbott-gone-but-what-now-20150915-gjmqu7.html#ixzz3lmmAbjCE
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:24 pm

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:40 pm

    “The death-cult want to know what happened to their `brand-ambassador`”

    Brilliant!

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:45 pm

    It still pleases me in a ‘Downfall Of Howard’-like fashion.

    Like i said the left hates Abbott and that is proof he is doing something right.

    It is a worry to me that the left likes Turnbull.

  186. September 15, 2015 4:51 pm

    ao, oh isn`t moon-dog totally delicious today:-)

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 4:51 pm

    Like i said the left hates Abbott and that is proof he is doing something right.

    yeah, resigning

    No love lost: the quest to find anyone who supports Tony Abbott in Manly:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/15/no-love-lost-the-quest-to-find-anyone-who-supports-tony-abbott-in-manly

  188. September 15, 2015 5:07 pm

    Kneel, I truly want to believe that you are not a halfwit, and you are in fact taking the piss. But you make that very difficult.

    A worldview where, If X says black then Y must be correct because black, is stupid beyond reconciliation. Are you that dense? really?

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 5:09 pm

    Did tony abbott really say [and I’m paraphrasing here] “don’t print crap”?

    New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull gets immediate mandate from Australian electors as Better PM: Turnbull 70% cf. Shorten 24%
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6451-australia-better-pm-turnbull-shorten-september-15-2015-201509150557

    New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has received an immediate mandate from Australian electors as Better PM:

    Malcolm Turnbull 70% cf. 24% Opposition Leader Bill Shorten with 6% of electors indicating either someone else, neither candidate or they couldn’t say according to a special Snap SMS Morgan Poll conducted this afternoon with 1,204 Australian electors.

    Turnbull leads all key Demographics

    How many jobs? The China-Australia Free Trade Agreement will create hardly any
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/how-many-jobs-the-chinaaustralia-free-trade-agreement-will-create-hardly-any-20150914-gjlv06.html#ixzz3lmxMwDZi

  190. September 15, 2015 5:40 pm

    shit armchair, don`t show him `that`, you know every time `roy` agrees with me, the team-cheerer goes into melt-down:-)

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 5:58 pm

    As at 4pm, ex-AU Prime Minister Hon. Tony Abbott MP hasn’t formally resigned from his position as PM & has only publicly appear once

    That can’t be right … Abbott must have resigned before Turnbull was sworn in … we can’t have two PMs …

    Malcolm Turnbull 70% cf. 24% Opposition Leader Bill Shorten

    Matches the number of people that watch MKR, The Voice and Home & Away I guess …

  192. September 15, 2015 6:08 pm

    Haha, TB, you cynic you!

    * re that reality TV shit…and the fantasy of H&A. gag, vomit. No wonder we elect morons.

  193. September 15, 2015 6:11 pm

    The Boltards are in spasms of confusion, anger & (wrongful) blame!

    Herr Andrew did a poor job in preparing them for this inevitability. In fact, it could be said he hatefully programmed them to assume that Noble Tony could not falter; just look at Kneel’s recent comments, attempting to [ir]rationalise the plunge from grace).

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 6:15 pm

    New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has received an immediate mandate from Australian electors as Better PM:

    And how many of those people would vote for Turnbull? People are tribal and rarely change their vote.

    TB of Queensland voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%/

  195. September 15, 2015 6:24 pm

    But Neil, Turnbull is saying that he’s standing by all the Abbott Govt policies…

    What’s that doing to your tiny little fucked up mind?

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 6:46 pm

    TB of Queensland voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%/

    I did … but it was that or watch climb even higher … just like todays figures … from 5.8 to 6.3 …

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 15, 2015 6:56 pm

    No … but other people are and “power” is as addictive as $$ to some people …

    Yeah!!

    Just ask the union hacks and warlords that run the ALP

  198. September 15, 2015 6:57 pm

    reb””Turnbull is saying that he`s standing by all the Abbott Govt policies””

    #yep, it`s `shock`n`awe` for both ends of the spectrum, the latte/qandaland crowd don`t realize this either, still zombie on voluntary-euthanasia, gay-marriage and boaties etc

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 7:26 pm

    ”Turnbull is saying that he`s standing by all the Abbott Govt policies”

    He is for now, but he may very well win the next election in his own right. Then he can change the direction/policy of the party with the stamp of his own authority. It’ll be his way or the highway for the dissenters.

    Saw andrew bolt on the project saying there’s ‘talk’ of forming a conservative party, somewhere for the lot of them to hang out together and have fun.

    The more the merrier I say, I’d love to see them slaughtered by the aussie public!

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 7:27 pm

    I did … but it was that or watch climb even higher

    See a human can justify anything they want to believe. Fact is unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard/Costello so your accusation of higher unemployment under the Coalition was wrong.

    Of course then came the leftoid sidestep with the accusation that the dastardly Howard had changed the way unemployment was measured so unemployment was really still at 8% in 2007 when the ABS said it was 4%.

    Fact is TB you will never change your vote.

  201. September 15, 2015 7:48 pm

    “”See a human can justify anything they want to believe.””

    From the mouths of babes.

  202. September 15, 2015 8:24 pm

    ao””win the next election in his own right. Then he can change the direction/policy of the party with the stamp of his own authority. It`ll be his way or the highway for the dissenters”””

    #that will depend on the make-up of the surviving zombies, the teabags are currently `ruled` by the dog-club loonies end of the spectrum, (repugs have same problem), also remember that even if the `liberals` end-up ruling over the dog-club types, they will still have to deal with the teabumpkins

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:38 pm

    I still don’t know why I reply … compassion?

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2015 8:54 pm

    Phillip Coorey on 7:30 report saying that tony had a good run from the media especially newsltd and he wasn’t complaining when gillard was getting hammered every day.

    Fact is TB you will never change your vote.

    I don’t know about that, TB could be a little bit green 😉

    What’s that doing to your tiny little fucked up mind?

    A synapse dysfunction, no electrical activity since 2007.

  205. September 15, 2015 9:02 pm

    “Saw andrew bolt on the project saying there’s ‘talk’ of forming a conservative party, somewhere for the lot of them to hang out together and have fun.

    The more the merrier I say, I’d love to see them slaughtered by the aussie public!”

    Intriguing!

    The fringe they inhabit is nowhere near as large as they like to imagine, I reckon; and demographically dwindling with age (like religion, it will never be entirely extinct).

    Most people inhabit the centre, or thereabouts, and rarely think about politics.

    Bolt overestimates the gravity & penetration of his own opinions. He takes heart from the slaverers on his blog…and takes offence from those with divergent views. Hardly a model for a successful political Party. But, as you say, it would be highly amusing to watch them fail under the spotlight.

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:16 pm

    Most people inhabit the centre, or thereabouts, and rarely think about politics

    I was listening to talk back radio and some of the callers were saying they liked Turnbull more because he inhabited the center but Abbott was too right wing.

    But what is the center? Surely the position of the center keeps changing. I guess one meaning of the center is that it is the position currently occupied by the baulk of the population. But peoples opinions on issues continually change.

  207. September 15, 2015 11:55 pm

    dailylife””Australia will forgive Turnbull in a way they never forgave Gillard. .. And they will forgive him because .. yes .. because Gillard was a woman.

    Because when a man does it, well, that’s just politics. When a woman does it, it is unbecoming and sooner or later, she will be punished.””’

    #ha-ha armchair, you found a nice example of some of that `feminista-astroturfing` l told you about the other day, that is going on with the opinion-advertising-astroturfing-talking-head dressed-up-as-news-media.

    #did you notice the omissions, or did you get snagged.?

    #the glaring omissions between the `events` is not the `knife-wielders` or their sex, but whether the `victim` was loved(kevin07) or hated(mr-rabbit) by the public, which is the major factor on how the public reacts to a `knifing`.

    #besides the omission, the post `peaks` at the end, `man-gets-off-hook` and the `woman-punished`, which is `designed` to provoke/enrage the sister-hood/viewer.

  208. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 7:47 am

    He was the tewwawists best friend Advertising Executive!

    Will turnbull be able to incite the anger and division like yabot did though, that is the question.

    every time `roy` agrees with me, the team-cheerer goes into melt-down

    You’ll have to highlight when that has ever happened before. 😉

    I don’t disagree with hte polls, people were yearning for change. Give it a few weeks(months) until people realise that, although he speaks fuluent toff, he’s still going to kick their arses and placate his mates.

    Watching the msm lashing praise on yabot for his belated speech was amusing. Telling all gathered in the immediate aftermath how wonderful it was, only realising later that he had not just forgotten to mention turnbull anywhere, but pretty much lumped his failure at their feet. It was glorious to watch.

    But Neil, Turnbull is saying that he’s standing by all the Abbott Govt policies…

    Which is why a poll now means nothing, except a boost to the sugar hit.

    Malcolm Turnbull has but a year to inject confidence and strength into the economy or else he will be swept from office and condemned to history as a wrecker of a first term Liberal government.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/15/team-turnbull-must-reverse-abbotts-economic-damage-or-face-same-fate?CMP=share_btn_tw

    And, look at his record. That speaks for itself. turnbull is just a fresh coat of lipstick, the pig remains the same. Hoping and wishing he will implement a more progressive agenda misses the fact that he is as cold and ruthless a conservative as the rest of them, just with a friendlier facade.

    This looks stupid though, why go into the Lions den now? Have they been writing regularly? 😉

  209. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 8:25 am

    I don’t normally like posting in entirety (or as much as was put up at pb) but, without many positives for Shorten at the moment, I’ll stoke the fire 😉

    With the libs pretty much torn in half, not sure if running a good cabinet will be possible for turnbull. I hope not anyway 🙂

    Shorten has a plan to tackle Turnbull

    When Bill Shorten was planning his ascension to the Labor leadership he forecast that the 2016 election would be between himself and Malcolm Turnbull — not Tony Abbott.

    Accordingly, Shorten already has a plan to tackle Turnbull.

    A key to the Shorten plan is the fact that when Turnbull was opposition leader he didn’t run a good cabinet. That’s why he was dropped.

    Whether Turnbull can win the next election as PM depends on whether he has learnt how to run a cabinet.

    When he announced his challenge, Turnbull went to extraordinary lengths to underline his belief that, this time, he would run the cabinet in the same way that John Howard managed his cabinet. Turnbull contrasted Howard’s brilliance in running a cabinet with Abbott’s mistakes.

    Now that Turnbull is to become Prime Minister, the first thing he needs to do is to refer to the magnificent agenda the Coalition put before the Australian people to win the 2013 election.

    …The tax system modernisation plan will therefore not be exactly the same as the original Coalition agenda but it will almost certainly include:

    A change in superannuation pension arrangements — perhaps adopting the ‘Shorten super proposal’ (or at the least the original plan that lifts the tax on super funds when individual income was above $100,000)

    Increasing the GST as an arrangement with the states

    Turnbull needs to find a way to delicately suggest to the Japanese that they pull out and to then take either the French or German proposal, which both involve substantial work in the Adelaide shipyards. The silly idea of getting the Japanese involved came from a small group of people in the PM’s office led by Peta Credlin.

    In the original Coalition plan, the Commonwealth envisioned saving billions by rationalising Commonwealth and state activities in health, education and other areas. But the poor ministers in those areas allowed themselves to be snowed by the public service and the cost-saving plans were pigeonholed.

    Turnbull needs to brighten up Australia’s environmental policy and give Minister Greg Hunt the authority to really market it.

    Turnbull also needs to make peace with the ABC and Fairfax. He might not bring them to the coalition side but it’s very dangerous to have them as bitter enemies.

    Turnbull will probably put in the too hard basket a move to crack down on cartels between the large builders and the union movement that boost the cost of Australian infrastructure and city building.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/09/15/malcolm-turnbull-form-guide/?comment_page=2/#comment-2257155

  210. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 8:28 am

    re yabots indulgence speech yesterday. Classic

    Tony Abbott And Ted Bundy: Only One Of Them Accepted Responsibility And Showed Remorse – See more at: https://newmatilda.com//2015/09/15/tony-abbott-and-ted-bundy-only-one-them-accepted-responsibility-and-showed-remorse#sthash.ilmtweSd.dpuf

    I’m still pissing myself over our meeja fawning over it, until they realised they were the stooges ROFL

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 16, 2015 8:59 am

    I’m still pissing myself over our meeja fawning over it, until they realised they were the stooges ROFL

    I saw a couple of hostile tweets on that yesterday, saying that the article needs to be taken to ACMA. I thought, oh no, not new matilda getting sued again!

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:10 am

    But what is the center? Surely the position of the center keeps changing.</I?

    Centre … unless you're Sparta in disguise … now there's a thought …

  213. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:11 am

    oh no, not new matilda getting sued again!</i.

    Then spare a thought for the Salon AO 😉

    An odious wingnut gets his comeuppance: How one of the world’s most boorish conservatives just lost his job
    Finished by the same chaotic system that made him, Tony Abbott leaves a sexist, anti-LGBT, climate-denying legacy

    http://www.salon.com/2015/09/15/an_odious_wingnut_gets_his_comeuppance_how_one_of_the_worlds_most_boorish_conservatives_just_lost_his_job/

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:22 am

    Turnbull needs to brighten up Australia’s environmental policy and give Minister Greg Hunt the authority to really market it.

    Turnbull needs to get rid of Hunt …

    Turnbull needs to find a way to delicately suggest to the Japanese that they pull out and to then take either the French or German proposal, which both involve substantial work in the Adelaide shipyards.

    Or build them ourselves! FFS!

    The Collins were a massive learning curve … but they were pretty good by the time they were obsolete … the skills and knowledge are still there … use it and train others to use it … for jobs, revenue and if they really are serious about it … national safety/security … no-one really knows who our allies will be in the future …

    The more I read and consider the consequences … the more Turnbull looks totally fkd compromised …

    The Liberal Party just threw the captain of the Titanic overboard and are now simply shuffling the deckchairs …

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:25 am

    Not sure what to make about Turnbull. He does seem intelligent but if the quality of Turnbull can be measured by the quaility of the people who voted for him he may not be a good person.

    I found it amazing that Bronwyn Bishop voted for Turnbull. Bronie and Abbott were friends apparently. Abbott stood up for her during the choppergate saga until it was no longer politically possible while Turnbull was mocking her by proclaiming he had taken a train to Geelong to meet a colleague.

    If BB voted for Turnbull that would be a very low act and shows what she is really like.

  216. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:32 am

    The Collins were a massive learning curve … but they were pretty good by the time they were obsolete … the skills and knowledge are still there … use it and train others to use it … for jobs, revenue and if they really are serious about it … national safety/security … no-one really knows who our allies will be in the future …

    EXACTLY TB! Well said. All the $Billions we invested, and the hard yards we went to to gain the skills and knowledge to build AND design our own Subs, and now people are clamouring for the opportunity to help build another countries?

    This is yabots legacy, wreckage and disaster. And I don’t see much different on offer either

    he ABC’s Barrie Cassidy said he had been told the Social Services Minister Scott Morrison has been offered the position of Treasurer.

    According to his information, Mr Hockey has been offered the chance to remain in Cabinet, and is likely to be offered the Communications portfolio.

    Michaelia Cash is likely to be promoted to Immigration and Arthur Sinodinos to employment.

    More to come.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-16/morrison-offered-position-as-treasurer-in-turnbull-cabinet/6779252

    As much as I dislike morrison, he is no idiot, like hockey. Having hockey in charge of things like the NBN and abc would be a worry, if they weren’t so trashed already (thanks turnbull)

    And sinodinos?

    Is he cleared from ICAC yet? We would have the wonderful theatre of someone with a cloud over them from ICAC being the minister now responsible for investigating alleged trade union corruption?

    Not that turc wasn’t already totally compromised, but that’s just rubbing salt in.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:33 am

    Pretty well sums it up for me …

    Call it what it is. Call Abbott what he is. A wrecker, and a man who pursued the highest office in the land with no moral compass, and no desire to acquire one.

    A man who was prepared to play wedge politics on Aboriginal issues, dog whistle on Muslims, denigrate women, deny equal rights to the queer community, verbally bash and threaten champions of human rights, and jail the world’s most vulnerable people. That is Abbott’s legacy. That is what he did. I know it, the press gallery knows it, we all know it.

    Any other depiction is a fraud. It was always all about Tony, always all about political expediency, and always all about his vainglorious pursuit of power, and bugger the consequences.

    From TR’s link at: https://newmatilda.com//2015/09/15/tony-abbott-and-ted-bundy-only-one-them-accepted-responsibility-and-showed-remorse#sthash.ilmtweSd.5Iehsb52.dpuf

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:36 am

    Off to see The Maze … then its such a lovely day here fish and chips and a nice wine on the seafront … even Abbott couldn’t fk that up!

  219. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:36 am

    Any other depiction is a fraud.

    So, someone is finally saying out loud that the media have defrauded us all this time.

    Old news to some 😉

  220. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 9:40 am

    This is yabots legacy, wreckage and disaster

    Really? What disasters?

    As for the submarines the final decision has not been made but Labor had 6 years to do something and did nothing other than state we need 12 new submarines.

  221. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 10:09 am

    He can run, but can he hide for as long as yabot did?

    opinion He might be charismatic, he might be popular, and pretty shortly he might be Prime Minister. But when it comes to technology policy, Malcolm Turnbull has been a disaster. The Member for Wentworth will be remembered as Australia’s worst ever Communications Minister — the man who singlehandedly demolished the NBN and put a polite face on draconian Data Retention and Internet piracy laws.

    ……………….

    But none of them are reflecting on Turnbull’s actual recent history as a Minister; his past two years leading the Communications portfolio in Cabinet.

    So that’s what I will do in this article.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2015/09/14/malcolm-turnbull-was-australias-worst-ever-communications-minister/

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 16, 2015 10:38 am

    Chris Graham:

    …Abbott is the reason that parliament today is so toxic. He is the virus. He may have been ably assisted by a band of conservative white men, but he is the chief host. The descent into today’s bovver-boy politics started with him…

    Abbott, the punk of politics!
    Did he go home and smash the room up in a fit of rage after he lost to turnbull, punch holes in the walls?

    …Old news to some

    Yes, looking at some of his political obituaries yesterday [media and other politicians] I thought why didn’t you journos write any of this before you helped Abbott gain the keys to the country? Does the media bear some of the blame for turning the country into a laughing stock with the madness of king abbott on display?

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/monthly-essays-louis-nowra-whirling-dish-tony-abbott-2250

    …When I was recovering at St Vincent’s, a surgeon who had gone to Riverview told me he vividly remembered Abbott giving a talk to the school after his Oxford sojourn. I asked what he was like. “Oh, he preened,” said the surgeon. “No sense of humility at all. He just preened about his achievements.”…

    …This inability to be humble is a debilitating feature of his personality, as he frequently acknowledges…

    …He knows he has personal demons to quell. Between his belfry-bat ears is a coil of such saturnine weirdness that no one, not even his closest friends, would want to unravel it…

  223. September 16, 2015 11:01 am

    “”Between his belfry-bat ears is a coil of such saturnine weirdness that no one, not even his closest friends, would want to unravel it…

    Perfect.

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 11:33 am

    This is yabots legacy, wreckage and disaster

    What disasters?

    Abbott did not lock up 2,000 kids. The ALP did.
    Abbott did not lock up 50,000 boat people. The ALP did.
    Abbott did not destroy the auto industry. The ALP did.
    Abbott did not trash the budget. The ALP did.
    Abbott did not damage our relationship with Indonesia. The ALP did by banning the live cattle trade and bugging the phone of the Presidents wife.

    There were no disasters under Abbott.

  225. September 16, 2015 11:56 am

    “”There were no disasters under Abbott.””

    So why did his own party dump him…?

  226. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 12:24 pm

    Did he go home and smash the room up in a fit of rage after he lost to turnbull, punch holes in the walls?

    I have heard along the grapevine that apparently people with dual citizenship caught damaging commonwealth property can have their Australian Citizenship revoked.

    #justsayin 😉

  227. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 12:27 pm

    Reading between the lines, I think this means rupe will be getting over his yabot loss pretty quickly.

  228. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 12:31 pm

    So why did his own party dump him…?

    Beats me. Maybe self interest. Some MP’s may have thought they have a better chance to get re-elected and have a job under Turnbull.

    Personally i do not trust Turnbull. I think he exists for himself. I wish he would resign and join the ALP. However i do think he is a fiscal conservative and would make a good Treasurer.

    If the left likes Turnbull i think he is not to be trusted.

  229. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 12:32 pm

    This is what a “progressive” lib looks like

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 12:33 pm

    And, totally off topic, but just in case tosy is still lurking

    More free Art books to download (borrow?)

    http://www.getty.edu/publications/virtuallibrary/index.html

  231. September 16, 2015 12:50 pm

    “”After the wreckage Abbott caused he still left feeling sore and under-appreciated””

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/after-the-wreckage-abbott-caused-he-still-left-feeling-sore-and-under-appreciated?CMP=soc_568

  232. September 16, 2015 12:53 pm

    lunch break, my abc press-club, yank accent flogging copper-class nbn #guffaw

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 16, 2015 1:03 pm

    I wonder what this is code for:

    Business leaders have welcomed Malcolm Turnbull’s ascension as a business-friendly leader

  234. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 1:06 pm

    Let’s see how those polls hold up once this sinks in.

    Newly appointed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has confirmed he will be bringing a new era of change to Australia by retaining all the same policies as the previous Abbott government.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/09/16/turnbull-bring-change-keeping-all-same-policies

    Also read just recently a comment from someone that Hockey is being dumped as Treasurer because he couldn’t communicate, so they will move him to the Communications portfolio 😯

  235. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 1:07 pm

    I wonder what this is code for:

    Business as usual, except, perhaps he can actually get their rubbish through?

  236. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 16, 2015 2:27 pm

    I think it is code for Abbott was supposed to be our man in Canberra but sometimes he just didn’t get. Fortunately now we have Malcolm – he’s a real white man!

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 3:33 pm

    I have heard along the grapevine that apparently people with dual citizenship caught damaging commonwealth property can have their Australian Citizenship revoked.

    Just for the record … I did a bit of research after I “copied” the same sentiment in a few comments here … Abbott emigrated in 1960 … so he would have been three when he arrived …

    I hit the shores of Oz in Jan 1961, when I was 12 … I became an Australian citizen in 1983 … when I was 35 … I have never bothered nor needed to undeclare my British citizenship because I have never held a Pommie passport … I’m actually entitled to three … Oz, UK, EU …

    Now, The Minister, was born in Friesland, Nederland, she was eighteen months old when her family arrived in 1953, and she was informed that she had to declare her Dutch nationality before her eighteenth birthday or she would automatically be entitled to Australian Citizenship via her father who had become naturalized before 1960 … a no brainer for her … (I met The Minister when she was 17 …)

    So … I’m not sure that Tony Abbott would have had to do anything at all to gain Australian Citizenship … his mother was Australian and his father was a Pom … (how they came out on the £10 assisted passage scheme is beyond me … the catlik network I suppose …) 🙂

    At least I can prove my Oz nationality with a Citizenship Certificate …

    Just sayin’ …

    (Footnote: During the American War in Vietnam many British residents sent their 19 and 20 yo back to the UK {so they didn’t have to register for National Service} … bearing in mind that the VN War lasted from 1962 – 1972 … I’m told it got a bit tricky for some of the lads to return!)

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 3:44 pm

    I became an Australian citizen in 1983

    It was news to me but all Australians were British subjects until 1948. I always thought we became Australians in 1901. Only after 1948 could you become an Australian citizen. Same goes for Canadians.

  239. September 16, 2015 3:45 pm

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  240. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 4:09 pm

    “””More free Art books to download (borrow?)”””” TR

    Great site, TR … now in my ebook downloads folder!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    43 – 57 and the Libs would have known that before we did … final straw?

    Wonder how far Turncoats charisma will turn the tide?

    Especially when folk figure out the choir and the music is the same just a change in the lead singer?

  241. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 4:56 pm

    43 – 57

    Looks like Australians want to start locking up kids again.

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 4:58 pm

    Nope, nope, nope … I will not reply …

  243. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 4:59 pm

    I’m not sure that Tony Abbott would have had to do anything at all to gain Australian Citizenship

    Apparently he did, belatedly, as it had something to do with him being able to get his Rhodes Scholarship

    No record of him terminating his pommiepassport, which is where the problem lies.

    If you liked that link to the books TB, try browsing through here, lots of stuff similar

    This is my latest thing I’m looking at from there. When I get the time anyway 🙂

    http://www.openculture.com/2013/12/odysseus-journey.html

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 5:21 pm

    Thanks, TR! Great looking “library” … also now in my ereader Favourites …

    Although thanks to KL, I have enough ebooks to last a lifetime … about 3,500 I think from memory …

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    September 16, 2015 5:23 pm

    Just bought the last of the Sony eReaders too – third version, (as a backup spare) … they’ve stopped making them … I’m still using the first iteration …

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 16, 2015 6:26 pm

    No record of him terminating his pommiepassport, which is where the problem lies.

    Did you deadbeats spend as much time on Gillard? Gillard was born in Wales.

    Apparently we were British Subjects until 1948. After 1948 you could become an Australian citizen but you still had to declare allegiance to QE2. The area is a little murky. And we stopped declaring allegiance under hawke/Keating. However the Canadians still have to declare allegiance to QE2 to become a Canadian citizen.

    But this topic just confirms to me that lefties are mad.

  247. September 16, 2015 6:32 pm

    I don’t like birtherisms.

    It’s the least important technicality to focus on. A desperate gotcha.

  248. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2015 7:13 pm

    A desperate gotcha.

    If it turns out to be a fact that yabot was illegally our PM, it will further highlight just how badly our media have let us all down.

    That is why the truth of this is important to me.

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