All Eyes on Bill Shorten as Malcolm makes his mark
Much has been made of Malcolm Turnbull’s ascension to the highest office in the land, and Tony Abbott’s less than gracious speech in the aftermath of defeat.
However, one individual who will really be feeling the pressure is Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.
For the last two years Shorten has enjoyed a relatively stress-free run, casually standing by on the sidelines as Abbott careered from one moving train wreck to another.
That dream run is all but over for Shorten who now faces a considerably more challenging adversary in Malcolm Turnbull, not just for his devil may care dashing good looks, charm and charisma, but also because Turnbull is a doyen of the so-called “Left.”
And in the immediate aftermath of Abbott’s demise a new Morgan Poll with Turnbull as leader had him eclipsing Shorten as preferred Prime Minister by 74 per cent to Shorten on 24 per cent.
As consistent polling has indicated, Shorten is not particularly popular amongst the electorate.
Recent focus groups described the Labor leader as “tacky and fake” and “spineless and boring”.
They also called him “unpolished and typical” and a “dog with a bone”.
But the heaviest blows were saved for the group discussions, where nice, unassuming Australians let fly with more put downs than a busy pound.
Some voters just laughed when asked what they thought of the Labor leader.
Others complained he was untrustworthy or “invisible”.
“He doesn’t look a prime minister,” a man said quietly but firmly.
“It’s just sort of an empty void,” he added.
But the worst barb came from a woman who smiled apologetically and said: “There’s no charisma with Bill. He’s about as exciting as [former Victorian premier] Denis Napthine.”
Of course, meanwhile over at the newly reformed LNP, things are not entirely rosy. The elephant in the room is literally the elephant in the room with no one quite knowing what to do with Joe Hockey. The prevailing view is that Turnbull wants him gone but Hockey is refusing to go quietly.
Conservatives are also livid that Abbott was overthrown with stalwart allies Ray Hadley and Andrew Bolt backing calls for the development of a new conservative party potentially led disgruntled conservative MP Cory Bernardi.
I can’t quite think of what that party could be called. But I’m sure it will come to me.
theguttertrash.com 
We live in disinteresting times … 🙄
Images with dot points, yomm will be impressed.
I’m interested to see how Shorten pans out without the wrecker around. Call him boring, empty, whatever, he saw off the most destructive personality in our political history. Underestimate all you want.
This is an interesting (although stomach turning) interview
https://www.rewindradio.com/2gb/audio-alan-jones-embraces-bill-shorten-on-2gb
After the way he treated Gillard, I’d support any Labor leader who vowed never to speak to him again.
Bit, they are politicians, and if you listen to it considering Shorten is talking to the @GB heartland, he is obviously setting himself up as the “conviction” politician, and leaving turnbull as the power snatcher doing whatever deals to get his prize.
It’s definitely going to be harder for Shorten now, but at the same time, turnbull is chained down not just by his own past, but the policies he is now stuck with.
I thought this myself last night.
“”he saw off the most destructive personality in our political history. “”
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to give Shorten the credit for Tabbott’s demise.
Shorten is only marginally less despised than Abbott was.
Abbott self destructed. It wasn’t because of anything Shorten did or didn’t do.
Andrew Bolt & Bernardi starting their own ‘conservative’ Party (read, attempting to trade off of US teabag inanities).
Would be awesome.
Nothing would gratify me more than the ultimate metaphorical public stoning of Herr Andrew.
He only gets to make his grand pronouncements now because he’s safely sniping from his sideline soapbox, with no real skin in the game. Dickwits like him offend reasonable people in the centre.
Agree with reb @5:56
Abbott was the architect of his own downfall; despite his last salvo blaming everyone else as the door hit his arse on the way out!
Imagine if he’d been around to face the Morgan poll results?! 😯 (woulda been worth seeing the spin & sloganeering, the desperate flailing, the fearsquirting).
All Shorten did was keep his head below the parapets as much as possible (difficult, I know, when your getting dragged before a very public
witch huntRC intothe ALPUnion corruption.““It’s just sort of an empty void,” he added.”
That is a bit harsh. Who can forget Shorten’s genuine anguish in the heart-rending interview where he stabbed Gillard: “I shall be supporting Kevin Rudd tonight.”
‘All Shorten did was keep his head below the parapets as much as possible “
Little Billy Two Knives needs to watch his back. Abbott was the only reason for his survival. Now Labor has to decide whether to install someone electable to stand against Turnbull.
Images with dot points, yomm will be impressed.
AND … aligned to the RIGHT!
He’ll get the Vaseline out!
he saw off the most destructive personality in our political history
Disagree, TR, The Mad Monk was his own worst enemy … I still can’t understand why they let him get away with so many gaffes, stupid decisions and awful communication …
It’s definitely going to be harder for Shorten now, but at the same time, turnbull is chained down not just by his own past, but the policies he is now stuck with.
Turnbull is just the new Punch and Bishop the Judy … the puppeteer(s) are still pulling the strings …
Dickwits like him …
I think you meant … Dickwits© like him … toylet … 😉
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… install someone electable …
Not sure I can think of anyone tho’ …
I still can’t understand why they let him get away with so many gaffes, stupid decisions and awful communication …
Because you are stupid. Abbott did not trash anything. But you did TB.
Because you voted for Rudd in 2007 and so did Splatterbum you locked up 2,000 kids and you enjoyed doing it.
And if Labor gets back in the same thing will happen.
…not just for his devil may care dashing good looks, charm and charisma, but also because Turnbull is a doyen of the so-called “Left.”…
😆
In a way that Bill has never been, he’s almost as inarticulate and boring as abbott. Bill strives to be mediocre and Abbott made him look it. Certainly no visionary which is something I long for [the abbott corp ‘vision’ was the dead opposite of mine].
And Turnbull does it so effortlessly, the charming silver fox!
And Turnbull does it so effortlessly, the charming silver fox!
That is it. That is all the evidence i need that Turnbull is not to be trusted.
Shorten is only marginally less despised than Abbott was.
Everyone that associates with yabot is despised, he brings them to his level.
rudd, Gillard and now Shorten.
I think he will climb back up, and, the fact is, Shorten didn’t play a small target. He picked his fights.
• He stood up for Super, and got slammed for it.
• He stood up for Holden, and got slammed for it.
• He stood up for CHAFTA, and got slammed for it.
And he got slammed, not just by the yabot and the libs, but by the media who were compliant with lipsticking yabot and targeting Shorten.
He has been dragged through the witch hunt, and had any deal that doesn’t look fantastic dredged through the murdoch lens. And then the Killing Season also went to town on him.
Throw that much shit and anyone will stink, especially in the environment yabot created.
Will they do the same for turnbull?
Do any of them realise what he has done with the NBN?
Do they realise that he actually helped that phycho implement and prosecute these policies, policies he is now sticking to.
The polls are going to narrow completely over the next few weeks but, as Shorten leaves the stench of yabot, and changes his game to suit turnbull, they will return.
And they will return because of the (left aligned) dot points.
turnbull, while currently being feted as the guy who got rid of yabot, will soon have to show just what he’s got, and all he’s got is what yabot had in a prettier bliue tie.
Shorten still has the policies he had before (you know, the ones yomm keeps pretending aren’t there), and now doesn’t have to suffer the rancid attacks that he has been subjected to.
Maybe 😉
Certainly no visionary
So, not a fan of the NDIS then AO 😉
So, not a fan of the NDIS then AO
I love the NDIS I really don’t know why it’s taken so long. I would have loved a dental scheme too, we must be the only country that thinks teeth are not part of the body or health to be maintained under medicare.
I love the NDIS
Visionary, isn’t it 😉
Not entirely tomR, the disabled and their families/carers had been screaming for one for years.
l saw some of the `leader` comparisons earlier today,
1.the first graphic showed blib 20+ points ahead, against rabbit
2.the 2nd graphic, blib 20+ points BEHIND talkbull
#give the pony-show a few weeks, if blib remains floundering behind talkbull so badly, team-blib is fcuked as talkbull WILL go early imo
Blib does himself no favours making these sorts of remarks…
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/09/17/drovers-dog-better-abbott-shorten
“Frankly a drover’s dog would be better than Tony Abbott,”
Why not? Pointing out the obvious, isn’t it?
Mind you, the things that will do the damage is this
A sensitive cabinet document leaked to Fairfax Media shows Malcolm Turnbull was the Abbott government’s worst-performing minister when it came to appointing women to boards.
The leak, designed to damage the newly minted Prime Minister, came as Mr Turnbull’s predecessor revealed his plans to stay on in Parliament.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/leaked-document-tars-malcolm-turnbull-as-worst-minister-on-appointing-women-20150916-gjoh3o?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Atwi-13omn1677-edtrl-other%3Annn-17%2F02%2F2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o%26sa%3DD%26usg%3DALhdy28zsr6qiq#ixzz3lwjV1MlG
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Has rudd changed teams?
“”Why not? Pointing out the obvious, isn’t it?””
Well yes, it is pointing out the obvious. Which is precisely why it isn’t necessary to point it out.
And especially from someone who really should have Talcum in his sights rather than the casualty that’s left behind.
By making remarks like that he simply lowers himself to Abbott’s level.
And the playing field is a whole new ball game, in case he hasn’t realised.
No need for abbott to sit on the back bench stewing about his future – let’s face it where can he go from ‘worst pm in history’? Does he really want to sit there day in and day out just to keep collecting that taxpayer funded retirement? When howard lost the election and the libs went to opposition abbott went bike riding, surfing and then wrote a book [which he flogged using entitlements]. He’ll have the same work ethic again no doubt [leaner].
A few suggestions from the headlines to where abbott could be welcome
Trump: “I’ll make US military so big and great, nobody will mess with us”
Bernardi and Bolt’s new conservative political party.
Hungary could be welcoming for a man of abbott’s talents
Greek election 2015: Golden Dawn rises on austerity-driven despair
Refugee crisis: Hungary uses teargas and water cannon at Serbia border – as it happened
I’m sure they’d appreciate his talents!
“Has rudd changed teams?”
Human nature knows no sides in politics.
And especially from someone who really should have Talcum in his sights rather than the casualty that’s left behind.
Err, it WAS aimed at talcum. He is pointing out that the poll bounce is because of yabots failings, not talcum alleged strengths.
But, talcum of new sounds just like the talcum of old, except with perhaps some of yabots traits rubbed in.
And the playing field is a whole new ball game, in case he hasn’t realised.
I wonder?
The ball game is still the rich taking as much from the poor as possible …
Not about governance of the country …
As $$ get sucked into the millionaires vacuum cleaner … there’s none being put back into the economy … the Multiplier Effect is not just a theory … the banks in fact are being allowed to bleed the economy …
And I can’t see how an ex lawyer/commercial banker/poliitician understands how a company operates … or how ordinary folk survive …
All that’s happened (and Abbott knows that shit happens – LOL!) is we’ve gone from this …
… 😀
Big change, hey?
Its never really been left and right …
Its always been about the struggle between (ultra- now) rich and poor … !
let’s face it where can he go from ‘worst pm in history’?
Dishonesty is normal for lefties. What was trashed under Abbott’s watch? Swan was handed a $20B surplus and turned it into a $27B deficit in 12 months.
Rudd and Gillard were much worse. Telling lies helps nobody.
Greek election 2015: Golden Dawn rises on austerity-driven despair
Even more lies. Greece got into trouble because of reckless spending. The sort of policies ALP/Greens want. Austerity was tried to repair the mess but it did not create the mess.
“”No need for abbott to sit on the back bench stewing about his future – let’s face it where can he go from ‘worst pm in history’?””
Actually, I think that is all there is left for him to do.
I mean, who would employ him in the private sector?
Fkn no one that’s who.
And who would want him as a consultant…? What special skills could he bring to a corporate boardroom….??
No it’s all over for Tony.
His political career was all he had, and that was just built on a life long career of being a bully, misogynist and thug.
He won’t be missed and he won’t be needed anywhere else…
“”What was trashed under Abbott’s watch?””
I thank the honourable member for his zinger. And I have to say that he’s showing today a great example of the triumph of hope over experience. Yesterday he asked exactly the same question.
Morgan poll finds even Labor voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull to Bill Shorten
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/morgan-poll-finds-even-labor-voters-prefer-malcolm-turnbull-to-bill-shorten-20150915-gjngti.html#ixzz3lx377tCR
I thank the honourable member for his zinger.
Did Abbott lock up 2,000 kids? No the ALP did. As did Reb, TB, Splatterbum, Toilet, AO etc
Did Abbott lock up 50,000 boat people? No. Reb, TB, Splatterbum, Toilet, AO did
Did Abbott trash the budget? No. Reb, TB, Splatterbum, Toilet, AO did
Morgan poll finds even Labor voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull to Bill Shorten
Just shows Labor voters are insane.
He won’t be missed and he won’t be needed anywhere else…
Bouncer?
Dog walker?
Shoe polisher?
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Morgan poll finds even Labor voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull to Bill Shorten
Clichés work for me …
Never judge a book by its cover and;
Never smile at a crocodile … 🙂
I wondered how long it would take for Kneel to get shrill!
Morgan poll finds even Labor voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull to Bill Shorten
How many hours after the spill was that poll taken?
The relief was palpable.
Yesterday he asked exactly the same question.
And he’ll keep asking it day after day after day after day, blind to any answers received from other, preferring instead to answer his questions with his own answers.
I wondered how long it would take for Kneel to get shrill!
About seven years ago from memory 😉
I just wish Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop would piss off, resign and join the ALP.
The great thing about Talcum is that he’s almost like a reincarnated Paul Keating!
Would you vote for a new conservative party neil?
I do not like what happened. Right or wrong Australia voted for Abbott. He should have been allowed to see out his term.
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I see Neil’s been busy…
http://stopturnbull.com/
stopturnbulldotcom?
Maybe they should just settle for FixedTurnbullTotheNode over FixedTurnbullTothePremise
And it will of course be a MalcomTurnbullMix
Either way, it’ll be faster cheaper and sooner
“…I do not like what happened. Right or wrong Australia voted for Abbott….”
Not really, only Abbott’s electorate voted for Abbott personally. Abbott is disingenuous to pretend it is the people’s choice. Leadership is always the party’s choice.
Not really, only Abbott’s electorate voted for Abbott personally. Abbott is disingenuous to pretend it is the people’s choice
These days the leadership of a political party is more Presidential than it used to be. Fact is if Turnbull was leader of the Coalition in 2013, Labor would have won the election. It was Abbott who won the 2013 election. Turnbull was hopeless when leader in 2009 and i suspect he will be hopeless again.
Shorten will see out the term, and then disappear. He won’t leave any legacy other than a stain on the last bit of the ALP’s integrity.
* A hack
* A power broker
* An assassin of 2 Prime Ministers
* A dud
* Inarticulate
Expect more photos of Bill with that panic stricken look in his eyes
Like this –
He won’t leave any legacy
Depends if turnbull fucks up Shortens NDIS as much as he did the NBN I guess 😉
And turnbull starts crying, and then “answers” by stating “this is the question he thinks Shorten should have asked”, and then answers that ROFL
It could get good 🙂
I’ve always been very cynical about the motives of union hacks and power brokers but I’ve found I’ve never been cynical enough.
Anyone that imagines that Shorten is motivated by a desire to help the disadvantaged is either incredibly naïve or (more likely) wilfully ignorant.
wilfully ignorant.
So, you aren’t a fan of the NDIS then I take it?
sbs”””Labor leader Bill Shorten has gone back more than 30 years to dismiss polls showing six out of 10 voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister.
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A ReachTEL poll for the Seven Network shows Mr Turnbull leading Mr Shorten 62 per cent to 38 per cent as preferred prime minister, almost reversing the margin the Opposition leader had over Mr Abbott.(#tick)
The coalition has also drawn level with Labor in a six-point turnaround of the two-party preferred vote.(#tick)
Liberal backbencher Dennis Jensen, who voted for Mr Turnbull in Monday’s leadership ballot, also anticipated a
poll bounce and is confident it will hold for some time yet.(#tick)
`People have taken the news of having a new prime minister very well,`(#tick) he told reporters””’
#l`m very much enjoying the early antics of `our` orange-avatars in over-drive, one is all `but,but,but`, and the other is too stupid to realize it has the winner:-)
Our alternative Prime Minister!!
But maybe it’s not panic!! He’s been practising his death stare.
Or maybe it’s more like this –
I first raised this question in my late twenties, early thirties.
I have always been an avid sci-fan and technophile – and as a production manager at one stage in my career, aware that jobs were going to robots not people – welding water tanks was one on my production line) …
This has merit if you consider it carefully … and look at early experiments …
It’s like a mix of command and capitalist economic systems … but it would churn the economy … and society is about living, not creaming everyone else out of their money …
The secret, I believe, would be to keep it as simple as possible … as is recommended in the article …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/would-you-work-if-you-didnt-have-to/story-fnu2pycd-1227531288369
The great thing about Talcum is that he’s almost like a reincarnated Paul Keating!
I hope that was aimed at, Kneel!
Right or wrong Australia voted for Abbott
Nope, nope, nope … they voted Rudd out … the Liberal Party voted Abbott in … and out …
I see Neil’s been busy…
Way too well researched … looks more like sb’s, work … 🙂
Lots of underling odd words I noticed …
lol,turnbull is still asking Labor if they can ask different questions
Still not answering them I see
We’ll take it as a “yes” then.
fairfax”””A sensitive cabinet document leaked to Fairfax Media shows Malcolm Turnbull was the Abbott government`s worst-performing minister when it came to appointing women to boards.
The leak, designed to damage the newly minted Prime Minister, came as Mr Turnbull`s predecessor revealed his plans to stay on in Parliament.
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Mr Turnbull has promised to promote more women to his cabinet in contrast to Mr Abbott who appointed just one woman, deputy leader Julie Bishop, to his first cabinet, and promoted a second in his second line-up, announced in December last year.
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Ripe for promotion is new mother and parliamentary secretary to the Treasurer Kelly O’Dwyer who, Fairfax Media has revealed, was advised to express more breast milk to stop her nursing preventing her attending parliamentary duties in the chamber.”””
#this post reads as a `look-over-there` targeting the feminista and rabbit-lickers, lets face it, if you want to pound talkbull on `judgement` there is the vainglorious `utegate-godwin-email` counterfeiting operation, and if you want to pound talkbull on `performance` you need go no further than his `copper-class-nbn`.
#notice too that latika/fairfax omitted fully, that mr-rabbit `mostly` went unchallenged for 4-years in opposition, and two-years in government, by the swooning-infantile-media, which will no-doubt remain a swooning-infantile-media for talkbull.
#qandaland.here.we.come #swoon.baby.swoon
Nope, nope, nope .. they voted Rudd IN(#gough-like) .. #chucked joolya OUT overwhelmingly .. the Liberal Party voted Abbott in .. and out
which will no-doubt remain a swooning-infantile-media for talkbull.
They seem undecided for now
abc are def onboard the turnbull love in, toolman especially from all reports, who has fallen hard after his rebound from yabot. abc is now junk status on news
ltdnews are still having conniptions, and seem uncertain exactly what to do about him. They’ll come around. They know who their real enemy is.
Farifax actually seem to be running a fairly even keel at the moment, which is what you want in a media organisation.
More failure from the worlds worst PM
The Abbott government was the least productive government in passing legislation since 1971, according to a Guardian Australia analysis.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/sep/17/tony-abbotts-government-how-productive-was-it?CMP=share_btn_tw
More failure from the worlds worst PM
Can’t stop telling lies can you.
How many kids did Abbott lock up?
Did Abbott trash the budget?
Wow, so how much legislation is passed has got something to do with how good the govt is.
none of that will save blib (and-caucus) tho team-cheerer, as they assumed the `all-fours` position (unwittingly) when caucus trounced the `members`wishes for albo, this was done all by themselves, without anything to do with teabags or infantile-media
#yes of course limited-news and its orbiting zombie-herd will be having epileptic fits over talkbull, it is better for them to get it all out of their system sooner rather than later, so they can all get back to zombie-business as soon as possible
#of course toolman went thu several boxes of kleenex, and that would be no surprise to most of my abc, nor anybody here, but `most` will NOT ignore the blib-factor, which WILL result in most of the swooning being FOR talkbull, and much, much less swooning for blib
#now all caucus and membership can do is maintain their `all-fours` position and think warm thoughts until the next election, and being `stuck` in their position, for them too, the election being `sooner` rather than later could be a different kind of `relief`
Nope, nope, nope .. they voted Rudd IN(#gough-like) .. #chucked joolya OUT overwhelmingly .. the Liberal Party voted Abbott in .. and out
WTF is all that prattle, tbagz?
Your a high school teacher … and one of the kids brings this to school:
What do you do?
Call Border Force – be alert and alarmed and taser the kid until the SWAT team arrives!
BTW,
I think you mean – “You’re a high school teacher”..
tb””’WTF is all that prattle”””
#sounds like somebody is still stuck on team-joolya, and have already forgotten all the help they provided in the `handover` to team-zombie:-)
Well it looks like the Liberals have turned to the dark side. Australia in general turned to the dark side in 2007 when they voted for Rudd and now the Liberals have followed and installed Turnbull
Perhaps the Nationals should break from the Liberal Party and run in their own right. Put candidates in every electorate
I think you mean – “You’re a high school teacher”..
Up yoors Jummy!
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#sounds like somebody is still stuck on team-joolya, and have already forgotten all the help they provided in the `handover` to team-zombie:-)
More fkn prattle …
ha-ha, just saw it on sbs, dallas teabags cacked themselves because a nerd brought his clock to school, a nerd named mohamad
#way.to.go.mo
prez obama, (`the-muslim`) tweeted, `bring it to the whitehouse`, so he is!
#teabag.panic #suck.it.up.teabags
“These days the leadership of a political party is more Presidential than it used to be. ”
Only in your head. Deadshit.
Otherwise…same as it ever was.
I’m still relishing in your disenfranchisement…and that of your simian fellow travellers.
I’m still relishing in your disenfranchisement…and that of your simian fellow travellers.
I am sure you do because Turnbull is not good for Australia. And that is what Labor supporters tend to vote for- people who damage Australia.
But that has been replaced by the 54 deadbeats who voted for Turnbull
PS i hope somebody publishes the names of the 54 traitors.
The majority can be traitors???
Looks like it. I think Turnbull would make a good Treasurer but he should never be put in charge of the Liberal Party.
* welcome to BoltLogic, YomM!
Hilarious, isn’t it!
“I think Turnbull would make a good Treasurer but he should never be put in charge of the Liberal Party.”
…because, people got me thinking Abbott was a nadpumping Hero Of Australia!!!
” And that is what Labor supporters tend to vote for- people who damage Australia.”
And yet, by some magical twist of idiocy, the voting population fulcrum has pivoted, and all those ALP voters who damage Australia, ot those who vote in the middle at least,changed allegiance last election to get the Coalition across the line! I love magic!
kneel, do you even think about the implications of your presuppositions!
kneel, do you even think about the implications of your presuppositions!
It was the ALP who locked up 2,000 kids
It was the ALP who locked up 50,000 asylum seekers
It was the ALP who trashed the budget
It was the ALP who destroyed our auto industry
It was the ALP who damaged our relationship with Indonesia by banning the live cattle trade and bugging the phone of the Presidents wife
k””the 54 deadbeats””
#Wow! That`s quite an admission, admitting l`ve been totally correct about 54-zombies like that. Well done. How are you feeling about the teabumpkins.?
Hilarious, isn’t it!
It is. They didn’t like the guy they elected, so they decided to elect someone else!!
TRAITORS!!
They didn’t like the guy they elected, so they decided to elect someone else!!
Just goes to show how ugly humans are. Apparently a lot of the 54 voted for Turnbull because they are worried about losing their jobs at the next election.
What they fail to understand is that if Turnbull was leader of the Opposition in 2013, Rudd would have won the election and they would not have a job in the first place.
Traitors the lot of them. I hope the Libs lose the next election. Not much of a choice now anyway.
Still waiting for the Liberal Party to change … ? Could be a long time …
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senator-told-to-speak-australian-during-question-time/story-fns0jze1-1227531655033
I hope the Libs lose the next election.
Chuckle …
Not much of a choice now anyway.
More, more … guffaw!
“Traitors the lot of them.
Neil, as it happens Abbott wasn’t king. He was an elected leader and there at the whim of the parliamentary Liberal party. Given his relatively limited abilities and lack of electoral appeal, he actually did pretty well for himself.
…and it is reasonable to note that the difference between Turnbull taking the leadership and Rudd/Gillard/Rudd was that the Liberals appear to have exercised a degree of judgement, which wasn’t a real option in the ALP. The parliamentarians just fall into line with the direction of the hacks & warlords.
k”””Traitors the lot of them. I hope the Libs lose the next election.”””
#l know. They now don`t represent anything. Those that love dog and want to represent it in govt have been fcuked-over, like-wise the `liberal` end is screwed too, their `humanitarian` wishes won`t be fulfilled either.
k”””Not much of a choice now anyway.”””
#Thank-dog we have the brave voices of truth at 2gb to represent what is `wholesome` and a consistent brand-ambassador for `heterosexuality` in alan-jones.
No wonder they don’t want to put a name to it, it’s embarrassing and totally full of conspiracy theories. If we know anything, we know the libs know how to fling shit far and wide.Times like this I wish I knew how to forensically examine websites to track the owners!
Probably registered and hidden by overseas ‘friends of cory bernardi.
http://stopturnbull.com/
Haha
Campbell Newman: it was all the media’s fault!
No self reflection at all, no thought to the people harmed by your assault on them.
http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/former-qld-premier-campbell-newman-blames-media-for-election-loss-20150917-gjpc0r.html
The parliamentarians just fall into line with the direction of the hacks & warlords.
Except that looking in the rear view mirror, the decision was correct, as it turned out rudd WAS running a crap Government, and the parliamentarians (not the “faceless men”) wanted him out.
They only went back for the same reasons the libs now have. To save furniture.
And, in anything like this, the “faceless men” play their parts.
Liberal leadership: the faceless men who stalked Abbott and made Turnbull king
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/ambush-the-faceless-men-who-stalked-abbott-and-made-turnbull-king-20150916-gjoj7h#ixzz3m2JJAnvC
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So, I guess the lib parliamentarians just fell into line with the direction of the hacks & warlords?
Campbell Newman: it was all the media’s fault!
What is it with these guys. They get vaulted into these positions BY the media, then cry like babies when they themselves stuff up
yabots cry was just cringeworthy
Neil, as it happens Abbott wasn’t king. He was an elected leader and there at the whim of the parliamentary Liberal party. Given his relatively limited abilities and lack of electoral appeal, he actually did pretty well for himself.
Fact is the Coalition would not have won the election if Turnbull was Opposition leader. But i am amazed at the lack of loyalty by people. The lesson to be learned is not to trust people especially in politics.
Except that looking in the rear view mirror, the decision was correct,
But they returned to him, and the entire time Rudd remained immensely popular. The public forced the politicians to return to Rudd, and many of them still have a career because he was returned.
I voted for the ALP in 2013, my first formal ballot for almost a decade – because I considered a re-elected Rudd government to be the only chance of significant reform of the ALP for a another decade.
The public forced the politicians to return to Rudd, and many of them still have a career because he was returned.
Yea, like I said. That doesn’t make it right though, just that they fool the public better. Cult of personality
Rudd government to be the only chance of significant reform of the ALP for a another decade.
If you think a maniac like rudd is the ‘reform’ Labor needs, then that highlights just how wrong you are about any ‘reform’ Labor needs
What a dick
poor joe lol
Joe Hockey has concluded his first and only financial year as treasurer with a budget outcome $8 billion worse than forecast.
In May 2014 Mr Hockey forecast a budget deficit of $29.8 billion, itself a big step up from the $24 billion forecast by the Treasury at the end of Labor’s term in office.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockeys-reckoning-budget-outcome-8b-worse-than-forecast-20150917-gjp9xe.html#ixzz3m2SHRvzz
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A maniac like Rudd??
Yet you voted for him in 2007, and were an unrelenting and vociferous supporter right up to the night Gillard knifed him!
Then the man you now vociferously praise in Shorten, was the guy who spoke glowingly about him and used his numbers to put him back in the Lodge!
Yet you voted for him in 2007
I voted for him again in 2013, even when I knew he was a maniacal backstabber.
That’s because I vote for the Party, not the persona
And, I vote for the party because, despite the bullshit stories, they are still the best party for looking after the average worker, and maintaining the social contract.
I understand, unlike nil, that the Party comes first.
rudd didn’t understand that. And I counted on the labor party, with the backing of the Unions, would have kept rudd under control, or booted him again.
I think they did the best in the end, as rudd is now a footnote, at great expense, but a footnote none the less
and re AO link to douchebag crying about the media, this is enlightening
Great link KL. I had forgotten what a pompous leftist git Turncoat was/is. At least Labor had the good sense to ignore his advances. Otherwise they would have had two narcissistic psychopaths to deal with.
I would have much preferred Abbott remained to face the voters. That way the new Labor PM would be the one chosen by the ALP. Now we have a Labor PM chosen by the Libs.
What the ALP is really worried about is that Turncoat will, in the minds of votersd, be a better Labor PM than Shorten and win the next election.
Joe Hockey has concluded his first and only financial year as treasurer with a budget outcome $8 billion worse than forecast.
Well at least we are getting close to forecasts and actual results being similar. Swan in his first budget he predicted a $20B surplus and it was a $27B deficit. Swan could even get whether it would be a deficit or surplus right.
$8B worse than forecast is not a bad prediction compared to what we had to put up with under Swan
They get vaulted into these positions BY the media, then cry like babies when they themselves stuff up
Its referred to as … expectation … don’t you wish you could get on ABC Landline (or any other show) with your new “venture”?
Never fkn satisfied!
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I voted for the ALP in 2013
And now, Kneel, knows … now you are in the shit!
Senate motion reveals Government has torpedoed its pre-election subs promise
http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/media/releases/show/senate-motion-reveals-government-has-torpedoed-its-pre-election-subs-promise/
Why would the Greens remove the 12 subs reference I wonder? Seems weird to me.
briztimes”””Mr Newman, who will launch his book next month, said his time in office was marred by incorrect reports, with the media portraying him as `a bad person`.
`We see particularly the electronic media portray politics in the same way as a reality TV show,` he told the program.”””’via-ao
#ha-ha, noddy the stupid cnut still hasn`t realized that when he did `bad` things to the public, the public will tweet/fakebook it, and teabag-media now `follows` the public. #suck.it.up.noddy
t”””rudd WAS running a crap Government, and the parliamentarians (not the `faceless men`) wanted him out.”””’
#to compare rudd and abbott `knifings` like you do team-cheerer is just plain wrong, voters rapidly acquired `buyers-remorse` selecting mr-rabbit and his poll-driven `knifing` was inevitable. The `knifing` of (gough-like)kevin07 showed that team-joolya/team-blib possessed not a skerrick of wisdom, and that lack of wisdom is still being paid for, including next election. Self-inflicted shooting of own feet, repeatedly.
t”””I understand, unlike nil, that the Party comes first.”””
#yep, party comes first, second and third, then corporations fourth, and fifth, and the public can go fcuk`em`selves in sixth-class. Sounds very similar to the `other`team.
Rudd’s knifing was orchastrated by the union hacks. Tom R prefers to ignore the fact that Paul Howes announced the challenge on the 7.30 Report before thew caucus was even aware of a challenge.
Just before being interviewed by Kerry O he was on the phone to Gillard.
Re Rudd’s knifing – The ALP caucus just did what they were told by the hacks and warlords,
They knifed a PM who remained very popular with the electorate and who had the ALP in front 52/48 2pp in the newspoll immediately before the assassination.
They then installed a “vote magnet” who got the party into the worst position in living memory for a first term government.
So how does that compare with Abbott and Turnbull again?
Good to see the CFMEU is paying $9M to Boral. They paid up rather than have more corruption exposed in open court. I wonder if the CFMEU’s business partners the Bandidos will contribute to the settlement?
Meanwhile a Turnbull government is expected to be socially progressive and economically conservative.
I think this is the combination/balance that the electorate expects and prefers, and which is nothing like the reality of the current ALP.
$9million!!!
Tom R will be back here suggesting that this is a huge win by the CFMEU!!
Didn’t he allege recently that Boral had surrendered or withdrawn their case??!!
… orchastrated …
Is that the same as castrated?
Or did you mean … orchestrated … pehaps … ?
Maybe I did at that!
“Tom R will be back here suggesting that this is a huge win by the CFMEU!!”
I’m sure he’s read the script:
An interesting deal:
I think the agreement to pay the other side’s costs gives it away. The criminal thugs who organised the boycott ought to be jailed as well.
I think the agreement to pay the other side’s costs gives it away.
Yep … even if you win … you may often have to pay up to 75% …
But don’t get on your high horse Boral has played silly games over the years … I remember being soundly rebuked by my boss for commenting that a meeting with reo steel bar suppliers/ manufacturers looked like a cartel to me … a few years later I found out that it was … Boral right in the thick of it …
Boral have never been squeaky clean … so they have no high moral ground … good to see any crooks cop it sweet!
EG:
Milkem Turncoat has a new nickname in China …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/malcolm-turnbull-nicknamed-sugar-bomb-sweet-dumpling-in-china/story-fn5tas5k-1227530680995
Never smile at a crocodile … 😉
I think this is the combination/balance that the electorate expects and prefers, and which is nothing like the reality of the current ALP.
Nor the reality of the current LNP considering malcolm has agreed to keep the socially conservative policies of the abbott govt in place to win over the nats.
The ALP caucus just did what they were told by the hacks and warlords,
I thought it was Gillards idea?
No, sorry, that was then, now, it’s all Shortens fault.
Unless yomm is going the Union rant, then, it was all the Unions(BOO).
Here’s a thought, perhaps there was just a very large contingent who saw how rudd was behaving, and wanted him gone.
So how does that compare with Abbott and Turnbull again?
In the way that a majority of the MP’s voted him out because he was unpopular with THEM.
Meanwhile a Turnbull government is expected to be socially progressive and economically conservative.
And yet there is no indication that that will happen. To their detriment. But to Labors advantage.
Didn’t he allege recently that Boral had surrendered or withdrawn their case??!!
Maybe you’ll need to find a link. 😉
$4million from (alleged) $23million. That’s nice 🙂
The courts have been busy today.
Former immigration minister Scott Morrison instructed his department to set up a process guaranteed to fail for handling a major data breach that disclosed the personal details of almost 10,000 asylum seekers, a landmark federal court decision has found.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/18/scott-morrison-ensured-asylum-seeker-data-breach-probe-failed-court-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw
Yes. Like when Gillard was against a carbon tax and marriage equality and “another boat, another policy failure”
The ALP tried to adopt a socially conservative stance while being incompetent with economic policy.
I don’t think they’ve changed.
Meanwhile the Liberals have chosen to elect someone who will advocate marriage equality, a republic and who (I think) will support rational economic policies (and probably have the ability to get some of them implemented)
The union coughs up double what they offered with costs!
Is anybody able to highlight anything turnbull has achieved that is socially progressive?
while being incompetent with economic policy.
What does “Worlds Greatest Treasurer” mean again yomm lol
The ALP tried to adopt a socially conservative stance
What do you mean “tried”
Gonski, NDIS, Fair Work…….
History has never been yor strong point has it yomm, even history of just a few years ago 😉
Over recent days and bit by bit, Australians have been coming to understand the price that Malcolm Turnbull was willing to pay to achieve his long-held personal ambition of becoming prime minister. Australians are beginning to understand the extent to which he was willing to discard so many long-held beliefs to satisfy that ambition.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2015/sep/18/malcolm-turnbulls-faustian-pact-on-climate-change-is-heartbreaking?CMP=share_btn_tw
I think that should read “alleged long-held beliefs”
elder”””Having come to office with so little public goodwill, it was incumbent on Abbott to reach out, to flesh out the bare bones of the campaign offering, to take people into his confidence. Just because the sheep in the press gallery accepted “on-water matters” and other obfuscations, it didn’t mean we all did. Abbott’s “slowing down the media cycle” ensured we always remained suspicious about him, and denied the Liberals the honeymoon they had expected.”””’
#the same problem will exist for blib too `if` he makes it, and blib will probably fcuk it up too
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elder”””The Liberal Party has failed as an organisation for electing and maintaining such an inadequate leader. It is one of only two political parties that leads governments, and its leaders must be Prime Ministerial timbre.”””
#same problems again, l really doubt blib is `prime-ministerial-timbre`, and teabag-lite will spend much time `maintaining-the-inadequate-leader`
#the non-choice will soon be upon us
“”Is anybody able to highlight anything turnbull has achieved that is socially progressive?””
He got rid of Tony Abbott.
t”””To their detriment. But to Labors advantage.”””
#now who is kidding themselves team-cheerer, as talkbull said, 30-straight polls showed rabbit was a dud, the same 30-polls show too, blib is a dud
#the difference is talkbull and the teabags pulled the trigger and ejected their dud
#meanwhile, teabag-lite can`t pull the trigger, their weapon is jammed, and they won`t be able to return to base(caucus) to dismantle their weapon and extract the `dud` until after the election, if that`s an advantage, l`d hate to see what your idea of a `disadvantage` is
#yaaaaay.blib
He got rid of Tony Abbott.
Pay that one 🙂
l`d hate to see what your idea of a `disadvantage` is
The libs policies
The ALP tried to adopt a socially conservative stance while being incompetent with economic policy.
Compared to what … the current government’s competent approach to social issues and economic policy?
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Is anybody able to highlight anything turnbull has achieved … as a politician?
Australians are beginning to understand the extent to which he was willing to discard so many long-held beliefs to satisfy that ambition.
Yep, a three or four % honemoon bounce in the polls will drop after a few months when folk realise they’ve been conned again by the Liberal Liars … they just keep cumming …
I always believed that Turncoat (hence my name for Milkem) fudged the Republican Referendum (never fought the second Howard question!) for a spot in the government.
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Morrison fudging too on the Ray Hadley show … wouldn’t swear on a bible … and got pissed off … caught out methinks … playing both Abbott and Turnbull off …
“I won’t be bullied” he said … no but he’ll bully others …
Another fkn hypocrite!
tb””””I always believed that Turncoat (hence my name for Milkem) fudged the Republican Referendum (never fought the second Howard question!) for a spot in the government.””””
#still giving talkbull and john-w `un-earned` credit on last republic vote l see
#hint, demographics were never with the republic-yes-vote, (and have moved further away from them today)
Tony Bourke just sent me an email ….
#hint, demographics were never with the republic-yes-vote, (and have moved further away from them today)
Hint: Its amazing what babies, publicity and marketing do to starry eyed zombies watching their dumb phones …
(Thank you Milkem!) …
Hint: before the Referendum the polls were over 70% …
Hint: do a bit of research before you try and shoot people down …
Kneeltbagz, even in 2001 it was 62% …http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AustralianRepublic#_Toc354584206
that`s all well and good teebz, but when you actually analyze things that have actually happened, the starting point is the result of the actual republic-vote, which was ..
#well and truly trounced, from memory 89%-NO-republic, 11%-yes, and when they `analyzed` those earlier polls, what were the `errors` in the polling methods
… well and truly trounced, from memory 89%-NO-republic, 11%-yes,
From memory?
You didn’t even read the FKN LINK! I provided … FFS!
45.13% YES 54.87% NO
still trounced 45%-yes and 55%-NO-republic
http://www.aec.gov.au/elections/referendums/1999_Referendum_Reports_Statistics/summary_republic.htm
and the `yes` vote will have shrunk from that 45% today, not grown
#there were too many omissions for it to win, starting with the words `australian-republic` on the name, and `oh-just-trust-us` on the details
The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union has been ordered to pay up to $9 million in damages and legal costs to Boral following the union’s boycott of the construction company.
The court ordered the CFMEU pay $4 million in damages, as well as legal costs for the proceedings, which could bring the total owing to $9 million, Boral said.
The Victorian Supreme Court also banned the CFMEU from stopping workers from using Boral products at any Victorian worksite, and from interfering in the supply of Boral’s goods and services.
The injunction lasts for three years.
Gee, I struggled with this for ten minutes and then gave up!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2015/sep/19/fantasy-federal-cabinet-can-you-pick-a-better-team-than-turnbull#59-1,0-2,0-3,0-4,0-5,0-6,0-7,0-8,0-9,0-10,0-11,0-12,0-13,0-14,0-15,0-16,0-17,0-18,0-19,0-20,0-21
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and the `yes` vote will have shrunk from that 45% today, not grown
Who said it had grown?
READRead the link I put up … we already know its dropped … you’re still guessing … and making shit up when you have been given the info … 12 hours ago!Duh!
The injunction lasts for three years.
And then they can start doing it again? 😉
Not much choice for Coalition voters
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPKZXmVU8AAdyu0.jpg:large
Chafta:
http://johnquiggin.com/2015/09/17/a-chafta-election/#more-13485
“…According to Peter Martin, this was given to the Chinese side as a consolation prize because the government was unwilling to lift restrictions on property purchases, and has in fact tightened them. Indeed, while the government was demonising any concerns about this deal as “racist” and “xenophobic”, Joe Hockey routinely crowed about forcing foreigners (invariably stereotyped as Chinese) to sell properties they had illegally acquired in the North Shore.
No one in the government or among its supporters is willing to defend this aspect of the deal. Rather, what we get is waffle[1] like the following from NSW Labor Right figure Chris Minns…”
Rudd and Turnbull have a lot in common in terms of personality. The big difference is that Rudd ran for election as Opposition and won govt for Labor. Turnbull could never have done something like that. He let other people do all the hard work and then stabed Abbott in the back to claim the benefit.
He front stabbed Abbott 🙂
Yeah. Turnbull could never have succeeded at anything. Because he’s intelligent, articulate, appealing to the electorate…
Well it looks like Goldman Sachs is now running the country. I hope the 54 traitors are happy.
I’d be interested to know how the majority in a democratic vote can be “traitors”
Who exactly did they betray (other than the leader who only holds the job subject to their continuing support)
Yeah. Turnbull could never have succeeded at anything.
True, he has succeeded in making himself very wealthy, and succeeded in voting for policies that make the very wealthy even more wealthy.
Has he succeeded in helping anyone not wealthy better themselves or their lives?
Because he’s intelligent, articulate, appealing to the electorate…
Good then he can piss off and join the ALP. I would rather lose an election under Abbott than win under Turnbull.
Some of those 54 would not have a job if it was not for Abbott. They are not caring about the country. They are worried about losing their jobs at the next election.
I guess that is why the ALP reinstalled Rudd. The members thought they would have a better chance of saving their jobs. The country came second.
“”The country came second.””
It always does Neil.
Did anyone see the article from nikki savva today? She’s saying that abbott’s office wouldn’t let margie know abbott’s movements, appointments or even her entitlements.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/yes-were-not-a-banana-republic-and-no-the-system-aint-broke/story-fnahw9xv-1227533889329
…He pledged in that brief concession speech, which actually did not concede anything, that he would make “the change” as easy as he could, declaring: “There will be no wrecking, no undermining and no sniping.” Inviting lightning strikes from the heavens, he vowed he had never done any of it himself. That may or may not be true, but his proxies, surrogates and staff never held back and even now continue to show a keen eye for vindictiveness.
He turned a blind eye to the poisonous culture that was fostered under his watch in his office that saw the wrecking of careers of people who had served the party loyally for years. His colleagues were treated with contempt, his wife was sidelined.
…More and more stories will emerge, particularly relating to the treatment of the prime minister’s wife, Margie. According to sources, staff were instructed not to pass on details of her husband’s travel or his diary and she was left ignorant of her entitlements. It played on their conscience. One long-term staff member resigned, brutally predicting to Tony Abbott’s face where he would end up: “friendless, policy-less, a national joke, but Peta Credlin still hanging off him”…
“…Because he’s intelligent, articulate, appealing to the electorate…”
That’s always a barrier to success isn’t it?
The big question is how did the inarticulate, dumbass, sly, cunning, lying, nutcase abbott ever get to be PM?
The big question
Probably best to ask rudd and murdoch those big questions AO 😉
Well it looks like Goldman Sachs is now running the country.
Look how well they “ran” Greece … its economy is growing faster than Oz … chuckle … must be the “Abbott Effect” here …
“I’d be interested to know how the majority in a democratic vote can be “traitors””
Don’t be silly, YomM.
What you’re witnessing is just a continuation of Kneel throwing his toys out of the cot. It’s not supposed to make sense. Indeed, sensible questions or retorts will be ignored or rebuked with ignorant partisan arsehattery.
If you’re wondering where this amusing type of self disgrace originated…go read a comment thread at the Bolt blog in the last several days.
These people are immune to self reflection, even if you quote them directly with what they said when Rudd/Gillard/Rudd was being enacted.
The big question is how did the inarticulate, dumbass, sly, cunning, lying, nutcase abbott ever get to be PM?
And the bastards who put Abbott in the chair are still there!
Nothing has changed … business as usual … just a shiny new arse in the PM’s chair …
… and the rockets are still aimed at the sick, the poor, the weak, the old, the unemployed, the retired, the uni students …
Yeah, Milkem Turncoat, with Colgate smile will really be good for the
nationRobber Barons …Talk is cheap … show me some action!
So even Margie was kept in the dark for “operational reason”s” … LOL!
I don’t hope Abbott rots in hell … oh, no … straight to purgatory for him …
At least Turnbull will be smarter and keep his enemies closer and appoint Morriscum Treasurer …
As Abbott should have done with Turncoat – much more difficult to plot against the PM …
“He front stabbed Abbott :)”
It was him or us!
* by ‘us’, I mean all right thinking people, apart from the rusted-on arsehat Kneels of the world. Snacty, too, must be devo’d!…but snacty always struck me as being intelligent enough to know when the losses should be cut ‘for the greater good’?
I do so hope Herr Bolt & Bernardi pretend at launching a ‘new’ ‘Conservative Party’ on The Flog Report tomorrow (rumour has it)!
The crocodile tears from that quarter, with regard to the horrifying deposing of
Our Sovereign Lady The Queenaworse than lacklustrePM have been vomit inducing. As per usual, with ideologues, they mistake the population at large as sharing their very nichederangementssensibilities.…I would rather lose an election under Abbott than win under Turnbull…
Like lemmings, they will follow their leader to their deaths. It was the same with howard, everyone knew he would lose his last election but no-one would dare challenge for the leadership even though they know that all leaders have to be challenged and defeated, they will never give up power voluntarily. conservatives are such dimwits
Watch and wait for the backstabbing and leaking to begin.
How’s that, “we are not Labor” slogan going?
…I do so hope Herr Bolt & Bernardi pretend at launching a ‘new’ ‘Conservative Party’ on The Flog Report tomorrow (rumour has it)! …
Oh yes, thanks for reminding me toilet, I’ll be starting work early, I’d better remember to tape that special!
Watched the film, “Amen”, last night based on the Nazi concentration camps and the Holocaust and the Vatican and USA’s indifference in trying to save them … a Catholic SS officer and a Jesuit priest take the evidence to the Vatican … the ending is extremely poignant …
Great filming and directing too … certainly worth a watch …
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280653/
So many postal votes possibly because 50% population over 60yrs old
What a Fuckwit©!
Actually I’d be checking that many postal votes … they can’t all be on holiday …
“Like lemmings, they will follow their leader to their deaths. It was the same with howard…”
…And Hitler?
The beholden.
Useful idiots.
Tragic pawns.
Discarded victims, deficient in critical thought…
I’m now ‘following up’ that movie, TB.
Reading Antony Beevor’s, The Ardenne, at the moment.
What a fucked up planet; and how easily forgotten, apparently.
Recently ‘came by’ a series I remember watching as a lad with my Dad.
The World At War.
Thoroughly enjoying reliving the horror, and comprehending the nuances, through adult eyes. Passing on the lesson to my next generation.
* The Ardennes (obviously) 1944
Beevor is a modern historical writer of note !
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/20/ardennes-1944-hitlers-last-gamble-antony-beevor-review
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2015/09/19/kicking-the-abbott/14425848002386
…Abbott governed for the past and the few conservatives desperate to continue living there. He governed against science and in contempt of the environment. He governed in opposition to social equality, in terror of reform. His was a government of fear and avoidance, a rolling sideshow anxiously avoiding the fact it had nothing to add and no idea what to do.
Abbott spent his time in opposition degrading the office of the prime minister. His was a campaign of debasement: a coarsening of debate, a running down of the respect once stored in the institution. Those who say he was a fine opposition leader do so in error. There is no victory in destroying what you set out to win…
…He treated law like a plaything. He made policy at odds with the country’s own constitution. He fought consensus and held out against change. He refused humility. He let run the island camps where women and children are raped and men killed. He turned in from the world. He mocked treaties. He failed obligations. He fed prejudice wherever he could…
What a fucked up planet; and how easily forgotten, apparently.
History repeats as you’ve oft heard me say … alwys it seemt me led by 90% idiots and 10% who should really command …
I’ve reached the conclusion in recent days – surprisingly … I feel silly for not understanding it earlier … most human beings are mobile vegetables with brains …
Toylet, The Ardennes would be The Battle of The Bulge I take it? Also a great film, BTW …
He fed prejudice wherever he could…
In other words a Hitler child!
I’m afraid wading through one of Bolt’s blog threads and actually reading the comments is a chore that I’m not up to.
“I’ve reached the conclusion in recent days – surprisingly … I feel silly for not understanding it earlier … most human beings are mobile vegetables with brains”
I concur, TB. Some would say that that makes us elitist cnuts.
I say, if you wanna argue with me, be aware I’m not starting from the lowest common denominator, and I smell polemis bilge from 20 paces.
My keyboard is going flat, apparently…
* polemic
“I’m afraid wading through one of Bolt’s blog threads and actually reading the comments is a chore that I’m not up to.”
You best take my word for it then.
Why would I make that shit up, when there’s so much (daily) affirmative EVIDENCE.
“Toylet, The Ardennes would be The Battle of The Bulge I take it?”
And all that went with it.
Google, Antony Beevor. He also wrote ‘Stalingrad’ & ‘berlin: The Downfall’.
A strange but worthy endorsement is that his books were recently banned in Putin’s Russia.
Always a good read. A war chronicle. Not a war promoter.
Yes, KL, Abbott epitomised the ostrich headed conservative fuck-knuckles…any wonder he repulsed a majority & ultimately provoked his own usurpation.
“Though Beevor sketches these political implications, he has written a military history. History, and especially the martial kind, has the feature that events are portrayed much more clearly in retrospect than they can possibly have been seen at the time. The trap for the military historian, then, is to shine too bright a light through the fog of war. Beevor has the art of preserving the individual perspective on the battlefield while placing it among the perspectives of platoon, regiment, division, commanders, politicians and civilians. The pointillist whole that emerges is convincing as a portrait of war and startling in its detail. Beevor cares about the soldiers and the readers and the truth, an old-fashioned set of concerns that is balanced with modern literary skill. This book clarifies, without simplifying, the human experiences and political stakes of the battle for the Ardennes Forest in December 1944 and January 1945, bringing realism to the battlefield and coherence to the larger history of the war.”
Get it up ya!
“””” My keyboard is going flat “”””
Mine already is … what’s your’s round? 🙂
Google, Antony Beevor. He also wrote ‘Stalingrad’ & ‘berlin: The Downfall’.
No need … I’ve read Beevor … a modern take on what was written immediately after (with all the bias that entails with historians – naturally, I guess) …
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“I’m afraid wading through one of Bolt’s blog threads and actually reading the comments is a chore that I’m not up to.”
You best take my word for it then.
I like to think that’s why the “Core” here still comment … we may argue but we respect each other’s perspective … and I think we shift in our acceptance and rejection and allegiances … ie not locked in to everything politically one side or ‘tother …
The Minister is watching a show on SBS about UK’s “owned” islands and atolls … the irony is that no-one is allowed to visit (except the prawn on the show it seems) … to protect them … this is the mob who raped and pillaged the world …
Oh, the irony!
BTW,toylet, the Ardennes was a bloodbath in WWI too …
And Hitler’s unlocked door past the Maginot Line at the beginning of the capitulation of France.
“”How’s that, “we are not Labor” slogan going?””
🙂
“I’m afraid wading through one of Bolt’s blog threads and actually reading the comments is a chore that I’m not up to.”
That’s why I follow @boltcomments on twitter. He/she posts the a selection of the most demented and unhinged comments so that we don’t have to sift through them ourselves…
This sound really great … but if you think (hard) its a reason to abolish NEGATIVE GEARING … this is making profit at the expense of every taxpayer in Australia …
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-couple-in-their-20s-go-on-home-buying-spree-picking-up-19-properties-in-a-single-year/story-fni0cx12-1227534496884#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-masthead-feature%7C2%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1442657888942
tb”””you`re still guessing”””
#l don`t need to guess, l have `historical-fact` on my side, team-repug-45, team-NO-55 in 1999.
#you gave `credit/blame` to john-w for the result
#l still say team-repug LOST under their own steam, with the (by-omission)-dishonesty, which was sniffed-out by the voters.
1.lt was never an `australian-republic`, it was an `east-coast-republic`, under federation WA automatically returns to an `independent` (colony/state/nation/whatever-other-name-they-want-to-use) when the `federation` is (dissolved/changed) and they(WA) will then decide for themselves `if` OR `when` they join the `new-structure`.
2.lt did not go un-noticed that going `republic` would also trigger other cash-bonfires, new money minted, flag-change etc
#both points hidden/not-upfront with public
3.the `prez` chosen by pollies, so really, WTF is the point then, pollies already `choose` the prime-meddler (as continually shown to voters now-a-days, and defended by cheerers)
#impoverished.offering
Turnbull is a snake.
Notice he did the backstabbing before the Canning by-election which the Coalition would most probably win. Would have given Abbott some breathing space for a few more months.
Turncoat could not stomach a Canning by-election win for Abbott so got his knife out before the by-election.
He is not a man i would trust. I would not trust “the 54” either.
If the Coalition had a vote for leadership Abbott would have won since the majority of the Nationals would have voted for Abbott.
The Constitution, which came into force on 1 January 1901 states in its opening preamble:[9] ”WHEREAS the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established.
#notice it is nsw, vic, sa, qld, and tas.?
#no WA, they didn`t sign-up for a year or two
#this ”indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown” means to WA, if it is not `under-crown` then it IS `dissoluble`, tas and sa agreed with wa in 1999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionism_in_Western_Australia
#sorry for wiki, would have preferred wa.gov link myself
#l don`t need to guess, l have `historical-fact` on my side, team-repug-45, team-NO-55 in 1999.
Absofknstounding! I gave you the stats … !!!
Swing in Canning away from Liberal … 7.3% … from 12% …
* More women in cabinet and the ministry
* No more knights & dames
That’s a good start, but I’d imagine that will upset Bolt and his version of mindless barrackers.
Just a few of the pollies busily playing musical chairs …
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/malcolm-turnbull-announces-cabinet-reshuffle-as-joe-hockey-quits/story-fns0jze1-1227535844784
Wyatt Roy??? Fucking ‘ell … Peter Dutton? Duh, Duh Dopey Dora? Brandis?
What’s new?
Seems to upset the ALP barrackers too.
Seems to upset the ALP barrackers too.
If that refers to me, just call me TB not an ALP barracker? … all I want is fair, competent and reasonable governance for all Australians from any government … I can’t see that happening with Turnbull’s Circus either … it will still nbe aimed at making the top end of town richer at the expense of the little folk …
Reshuffled choir … moved a few of the contraltos and sopranos to the front … and some tenors and baritones to the back … but the repertoire and sheet music is exactly the same …
Abetz and Andrews are finished. Good
Andrews can go on to set up his own funeral while Abetz can join Reclaim Australia.
Hockey completes the trifecta. Happy days.
but I’d imagine that will upset Bolt and his version of mindless barrackers.
Just visited Bolt and he is happy with the changes. But they are just cosmetic changes.
Fact is Abbott made mistakes but his policies did not damage the country.
Nobody died when he installed knights and dames. But Labor locked up 2,000 kids damaged our relationship with Indonesia, locked up 50,000 boat people, trashed the budget etc.
Installing knights and dames cannot be compared to locking up 2,000 kids.
Happy days, yes. Some are saying abbott should just leave politics altogether, I agree, I like the idea of renewal [ruddock should go too] for the party. It’s been obvious that abbott only has one real purpose in political life, as headkicker and brawler. I think the public wants the kinder, gentler polity that he promised but did not deliver. Should we really continue to pay such political has beens big taxpayer funded $ simply because they feel entitled to lean. Abbott won’t be productive.
… but repositioning the government on key areas …
Maybe I’ve seen/heard too many pollie promises … but until I see some real action on renewable energy … the NBN (thank you Mr Turnbull!)** … infrastructure (ie railways) … power generation … agriculture … SSM … negative gearing … trust funds … multinational taxation … education and training … pollies perqs … refugees … Iraq & Syria … submarines … F35s … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
** in his first speech as PM Turnbull said this is the age of technology and we should take advantage of it! If he mean’t that then he dudded Australia deliberately as a party pollie or he was absolutely incompetent … can’t have it both ways …
Guess who wrote this ….
TB, you just want NBN regardless of the cost. How much per household is reasonable?
$2000?
$4000?
$6000?
Guess who wrote this ….
I know that. Greg Hunt. But he was talking about pollution. Like heavy metals and industrial waste.
CO2 is not a pollutant.
…and as for Canning…
Just reading my email from Bill Shorten, talking about the great effort in a safe seat, but I see that the 2PP in the 2010 election was 52/48 to the Liberals.
It seems that the notion that this is a safe Liberal seat is far from the mark. The ALP can’t even get their vote to the level of 2010.
ToM … its not just for me … the benefits in the 21st Century have been explained to you over and over again … 43 other countries understand this … Luddite Liberal sympathisers don’t …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/australian-internet-speeds-rank-44th-in-the-world/6012570
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well done Kneel … almost correct … anything that is damaging to the environment is a “pollutant” … but they key point Greg
CHunt makes is this …The key component of this new regime should be the introduction of a pollution tax.
Oh, the hypocrisy …
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Poll bounces are poll bounces … let’s see what happens in six months time … I see you as a gambler, ToM …
tb”””Absofknstounding! I gave you the stats .. !!!”””
#beyond the `stats` that are the end results,
#you gave `credit/blame` to john-w for the result
#l still say team-repug LOST under their own steam, with the (by-omission)-dishonesty, which was sniffed-out by the voters.
#team-repug`s `pre-referendum-polling` was clearly deficient, as it was `showing` 60%(or-better) wanted a republic (probably based on merely asking a detail-free `poll` like, Do you want Aust to be a republic.? So folks answer `yeah-sure`) to `about` 60%-against(once folks realize they need to know `details`)
#you give credit to john-w for what, team-repug shooting its own foot.?
savva”””Whether Turnbull goes the way of the others remains to be seen, but as someone who has sat there and watched it all unfold, often sharing the pain of those vanquished, it would be unforgivable, inexcusable if he joined the ranks of the serial transgressors.
If he does, if he falls, whether because of his own actions or through the work of his enemies within, it wonât be the fault of the system.
Nor will it mean we are doomed,
except to suffer from the mediocrity of Bill Shorten.”””
#guffaw #yaaaaaay.blib
#blib has all the potential to be a long-term opposition leader, he reminds me of beazley so much, the lack of ticker, and oozing blandness
saturdaypaper”””There is no victory in destroying what you set out to win.”””
#There is also no victory in `winning` what is already destroyed either, there really isn`t much of a market for `wreckage`.
the `kicking the abbott` from the saturday-paper was fcuking brilliant,
#read it teabags
tb””’History repeats””#certainly-does
tb””’as you`ve oft heard me say””’#yep
tb”’alwys it seemt me led by 90% idiots and 10% who should really command””’#know.how.ya`feel
tb””’I`ve reached the conclusion in recent days .. surprisingly .. I feel silly for not understanding it earlier .. most human beings are mobile vegetables with brains””’
#probably a bit harsh teebz, take a look at the corporate/govt clap-trap that is spouted at people from workers to consumers to voters, often the horse-shit you know who regurgitates regularly. There is very little of it that is really worthwhile or appealing to people with basic common sense, and only really appeals to those `desiring` power, and they usually don`t tend to have much in the way of other abilities beyond their `desire`.
#so `leadership` tends to be filled with basically `power-desiring` liars/abusers, surrounded by `yes-men` and other limpets that hang off them (mr-rabbit is the ultimate example) while totally turning-off intelligent hard-working people with ideas and ethics.
Oh, the hypocrisy …
No, Greg Hunt was talking about taxing industrial polluters. ie people who dump heavy metals, toxic chemicals into waterways
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is actually plant food. And it is debatable that CO2 is damaging to the environment. If it does what people think it is doing a rise in temperature may be good for the planet.
”How’s that, “we are not Labor” slogan going?”
It was only yesterday blib was yabot lite
The worm turns quickly sometimes it seems 😯
After seeing the cabinet, it actually looks quite promising. And that is a worry for Labor. Of course, it could all be smoke and mirrors, but, people wanted a change, and it looks like that’s what they are being sold. If the policy changes are as sharp as the cabinet looks, Labor will be in a world of trouble. They are really at the mercy of the RWDB’s at the moment, if they keep their heads down and don’t cause trouble, and, if turnbull actually delivers on his rhetoric (and fixes the NBN, NDIS and Carbon Pricing), then I don’t think it matters who leads Labor next election, they will be back to starting from behind, after successfully pulling the libs back from the hard right.
IF the libs have successfully pulled back from the hard right that is 😉
CO2 is not a pollutant.
And you are a fucken idiot.
#justsayin
Treasurer morrison has promised to reduce the debt. He’s got his work cut out for him.
Highlights just how inept hockey was. And full impact of that ineptness will not be felt for another couple of years yet.
In the short term (ie, to win the next election) will morrison go Keynesian?
Highlights just how inept hockey was.
Hockey did not create the mess he was handed the mess. His first budget deficit is about the same size as Swans last budget deficit.
Ineptness is turning a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit in 12 months like Swan did.
… after successfully pulling the libs back from the hard right.
IF the libs have successfully pulled back from the hard right that is
Yep … TR … as mentioned above … I don’t care who governs as lonas they do and the decisions are justificable and particularly that they are equitable (there is a massive reason Jhockey is resigning after Abbott went – odd that the wind up and listen to him practice English Cormann is still in finance) …
If there is pain at the foot of the ladder and cheering on the top rung again Turnbull et al will be rooted!
Ineptness is turning a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit in 12 months like Swan did.
Fuck off and read about the GFC and ways it was tackled – check out Economics 101 on the way …
Vegetables with brains and short memories …
(there is a massive reason Jhockey is resigning after Abbott went
I suspect Turnbull and Hockey do not get on.
Prime Minister: Malcolm Turnbull
Leader of the Government in the Senate: George Brandis
Leader of the House: Christopher Pyne
Treasurer: Scott Morrison
Minister for Foreign Affairs: Julie Bishop
Attorney-General: George Brandis
Minister for Women: Michaelia Cash
Minister for Indigenous Affairs: Nigel Scullion
Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development and Deputy Prime Minister: Warren Truss
Minister for Resources, Energy and Northern Australia (Minister for Territories, Local Government and Major Projects): Josh Frydenberg
Minister for Trade and Investment: Andrew Robb
Minister for International Development and the Pacific: Steven Ciobo
Minister for Tourism and International Education: Richard Colbeck
Minister for Justice: Michael Keenan
Minister for Small Business: Kelly O’Dwyer
Minister for Finance: Mathias Cormann
Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources: Barnaby Joyce
Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science: Christopher Pyne
Minister for Immigration and Border Protection: Peter Dutton
Minister for the Environment: Greg Hunt
Minister for Health and Sport: Susan Ley
Minister for Rural Health: Fiona Nash
Minister for Defence: Marise Payne
Minister for Veterans’ Affairs: Stuart Robert
Minister for Defence Materiel and Science: Mal Brough
Minister for Communications: Mitch Fifield
Minister for the Arts: Mitch Fifield
Minister for Employment: Michaelia Cash
Minister for Social Services: Christian Porter
Minister for Human Services: Stuart Robert
Minister for Education and Training: Simon Birmingham
Minister for Vocational Education and Skills: Luke Hartsuyker
Cabinet Secretary: Arthur Sinodinos
Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service: Michaelia Cash
Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government: Mitch Fifield
Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter Terrorism: Michael Keenan
Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: Alan Tudge
Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: James McGrath
Assistant Minister for Productivity: Peter Hendy
Assistant Cabinet Secretary: Scott Ryan
Vegetables with brains and short memories …
GFC happened a long time ago. I study the history of ALP govts and nothing changes. They almost always trash the budget. The GFC just speeded up what was always going to happen.
GFC happened a long time ago.
Yea, about the same time the budget went into deficit.
Purely coincidental of course 😉
Thick vegetable – pumpkin?
Yea, about the same time the budget went into deficit.
Then why isn’t it back in surplus? the Coalition tried to cut some things but were called mean and nasty. The govt needs to cut its spending but once in the budget it is much harder to cut.
I believe NSW and Victoria before the Coalition was kicked out are running surplus budgets.