EXCLUSIVE: Malcolm Turnbull’s Fabulous new Front bench!

Conservative United National Tradition Supporters

Nice acronym.

Eleventy to Washington? That’ll mean 3 Tory grubs in the highest ranking diplomatic corps. Downer in London, Minchin in Paris, hockey in Washinton. Jesus wept.

This should be interesting. David Marr is usually quite insightful about character, of lack of it.

…and Shorten has lack of character in abundance!

BILL Shorten today will have to deal with a profile which depicts the Labor Leader as a man of many battles and betrayals with the scars and nicknames to show for it.
The political biography by author David Marr in Quarterly Essay comes as voters are reassessing Mr Shorten against a new opponent, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/faction-man-essay-on-bill-shorten-reveals-insights-into-labor-leader/story-fns0jze1-1227536163743

…and Shorten has lack of character in abundance!

I guess if you don’t read the words, you could come to that conclusion yomm 😉

This part was painfully true

many voters still don’t know much about him, and what they do know has been planted with them by his enemies.

But then, so was this

He is a master of the art of negotiation, a deal maker of immense skill.

http://linkis.com/www.theguardian.com/2Pwgb

Just because you are a Character, does not mean you have Character

You obviously didn’t watch Insiders on Sunday

I think he prefers Marrs thoughts parsed through the murdoch lens so they can make it palatable for him 😉

I used to have dinner with David Marr (friend of a friend) from time to time. He was quite entertaining, and intelligent.

Except he didn’t have to live through the nightmare.

Can’t stop telling lies can you TomR. For the one millionth time.

Who locked up 2,000 kids? Who locked up 50,000 boat people costing us $11B? Who trashed the budget? Who destroyed our car industry? Who damaged our relationship with Indonesia?

Abbott was a saint compared to Rudd/Gillard/

I’m not sure which I prefer, though I believe this is his passport photo-

Little Billy Two Knives.

Does that mean it is malcolm one blade?

’tis early days and people are just relieved to have rid of Abbott

The relief is still palpable.

Hilarious watching the rwdb’s saying “told you so” ROFL

If there was EVER a more perfect example of WHY media outlets should be more responsible in their “reporting”, the last several years in oz politics is it, culminating with todays sudden backflip from the inner sanctums

This really fucked me off this morning. Where was his strident defense when it was floated?

Labor’s proposal in the 2013-14 budget to effectively end the novated lease distortion were completely reasonable and responsible.

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Of course, that was all Labors fault. Nothing to do with the massive campaign run by the media against it.

… he certainly knows his stuff and from what we’ve seen can certainly make things happen … and he seems to have a grasp on the wider society issue than Turnbull …”

Really TB, I can’t believe that is a serious comment. In different circumstances Shorten (to you) would be-
* A private school bully
* A product of the catholic system

Shorten’s history is one of duplicity, that’s the hallmark of his career.

This will be turnbulls biggest test, and he has a few to overcome (NBN, NDIS and AGW to name a few)

Foreign investors have turned especially bearish on the Australian economy, with one describing it as “toast”, a National Australia Bank report says.

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So the CFMEU shreds it’s files to avoid legal scrutiny. Of course that’s absolutely reasonable and is no indication that they’ve done anything untoward.

No.

September 8, 2014

What’s the fucken date now?

Seems my reply to yomms crap is stuck in moderation still. My Bad for too many tweets 😦

Basically, it just further confirms that turc is nothing but clickbait, politically designed to give rwdb’s something to swing blindly about with, without really a clue of what it is they are swinging.

Fertile ground for the likes of yomm 😉

Why do the ‘journalists’ who write these Union hit pieces for theirabc not actually listen to the testimony of witnesses, or, more to the point, why do they only listen to the testimony of some witnessess?

I needed to make space in my office and the decision was made to shred our telephone bills.

telphone bills? So, the records would still be available fro the telephone company, if required

I did also shred some invoices that I issue that we
have on a database that can be reproduced at any time.

So, the stories are happy to run with “they shredded documents”, but didn’t bother to wait around to find out WHAT documents, just goes on council accusings word that it is nefarious, when, in fact, it was simply making room for the tonnes of docuiments the witch hunt was forcing Union workers to finance the printing of.

http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/22-September-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

So, not only a witch hunt, but clickbait for our national broadcaster, who are happy to simply repeat council accusings statements, but too fucken lazy to hear the reply.

Yeah!!

The CFMEU shredded 7 tons of phone bills when some documents were subpoenaed!

The CFMEU official had a truck load of phone bills stored in his office.

Of course, That sounds like a really, really good excuse and the timing was entirely a coincide!

The CFMEU are nice and it’s a pity those bad guys are out to get them.

The CFMEU shredded 7 tons of phone bills when some documents were subpoenaed!

Phone bills that, if required, would be available from Telstra. Along with the other documents Cherie highlighted.

nd the timing was entirely a coincide!

I put the link up, if you want to make a fooll of yourself, continue to comment without reading it.

Cherie said they did it BECAUSE they had been subpoenaed. Clear out the crap they don’t need, make room, and if they need them, they just print from computer, rather than photocopy (which takes longer)

dyson couldn’t even get one lot of emails to the Unions lawyers, after two shots at it.

The Union was ordered for mountains of documents. Is there any indication that anything is missing? Yet the CFMEU are being misrepresented in the papers for FULLY complying with the turcs ridiculous demands.

Demands the turc themselves could not comply with on a small scale.

And out muppet media continue to run the turcs stupid allegations, without thought for the other side of the argument, which completely discredits the attacks.

Because phone bills are really heavy.

Like I said dopey, read the transcript before looking dopier

we were receiving a 500-page telephone bill every month

And that was before the amalgamation with the BF, Whereafter, it doubled.

And that was just one example she used of what was being shredded to clear out room for the turc demands

This size

I see, they get a 500 page phone bill!

Among many other documents, as the transcript showed.

Spin, spin, spin

You mean like, presenting cleaning out an office like it’s a criminal act?

Meanwhile, mister “My Award is 2 feet thick” is still hung up on paper weights. Yes, lot’s of paper. Lot’s of Union members 😉

I heard today they got in trouble for not recycling ROFL Scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

hockey and morrison

dumb and dumber

I never said that gillard “played” the gender card

No, Credlin (well, her office) did.

Which is why her now coming out all feminista is so fos

She had her opportunity, but she helped take down Gillard by attacking her gender, specifically.

Now wants to be the martyr.

Fucken hypocrite!

She can fuck off to the ocean with yabot, and don’t get tangled in any chaff bags while yer out there.

lol, the secretaries keep coming in and wrecking the turcs morning allegations (our media seem to ignore the secretaries though, concentrating on hte allegations, ignoring hte explanations)

“Q Did you see anyone shredding documents

A (perkily) YEP” 🙂

Hilarious

“Wouldn’t bring me kids in if we wanted to keep it quiet, they tell the world everything”

oh, out of the mouths of babes.

http://commcast.com.au/turc/

Mindlessly and uncritically quoting CFMEU statements, arguments, evidence, tweets and whatever other material you have to hand is spin

Yes, I did, “Mindlessly “(?)Well, there was some thought, as it shot down the stories of criminals shredding implicating documents by proffering the fact they were doing a clean up (which they do every year we found out today)

So, story, dead in the water IF the journos had bothered to listen

Which brings me to this

Most of us weigh up arguments from both sides

That is demonstrably untrue, as those stories assiduously missed those testimonies (I see a few are getting them in today). I saw, and heard both sides. And the secretaries side showed that the council accusings side was full of shit!

You, on the other hand, are utterly relentless in your advocacy for the ALP

That may or may not be, I asked you to show how a person testimony under oath can be “spin”

Or maybe you are a chronic masturbator jerking off all day

Hi snacty, getting off with dutton watching those Islands going under? 😉

she was intercepted at Brisbane International Airport by THREE AFP officers

There have been some harrowing stories from those working there (especially the secretaries) of the fear they have from the AFP.

Stand over tactics, and yet the Unions are the ones portrayed as bovver boys.

Three days of going over the entrails of the CFMEU clearing out their offices

Which they do every year
Which needed doing because of merger with BLF(?)
Which needed doing to make room for incoming requests from turc.

Three very good reasons, and explains the size.
And I note that nobody from turc has been able to highlight any missing docs?
It’s a joke.

And, meanwhile, dumb and dumber just get dumber.

So it’s 7 tonnes a year now, is it?

yer not following too closely are ya bum

amalgamation, request from turc, all come into play, which is why so big

And coincidentally just when the subpoena was due

see above (and above (and above))

readin’ aint yer thing is it

Dumberer is the person who believes a word of turc spin. Any possibility that someone, anyone,m can point to where the CFMEU haven’t complied completely with the turcs request to hand over documents? Anyone???

I mean, even the turcs own commish couldn’t work out how to produce one friggin email chain, even on his his third attempt, yet the CFMEU have been ordered to hand over mountains of doco, and no-one can point to where they haven’t complied.

It shouldn’t be hard, especially if they are allegedly shredding tonnes of ‘incriminating’ documents.

So come on, stump up the missing docos? Where’s their hole in the chain?

Or is it because everything required was provided, and the rest of the docos that have no interest in this turc were SHREDDED!

As is done regularly, by EVERY person with doco.

Hanna seems to be of the jackson mould, and most of the ‘dirt’ has come from his mouth, everyone elses testimonies differ (in fact, his own has differed)

would take a different approach,

I think his interpretation of “different” differs from mine 😉

At the very time the subpoena is due.

Read back up dopey, that was this mornings bullshit covered

turc is nothing but an ongoing drip feed of rubbish smears

Ya fucked up a bit there boo of teabag, with ya massive data dump

They’re called links for a reason 😉

Same shit, just in a shinier crapper.

What’s really – “funny” – is that these politicians and staff members think that no-one else works bloody long hours, or hard, or away from family and friends, for many years

One big difference. Not as much backstabbing and personal abuse in the average workplace compared to politics. Plus everything you do is scrutinized by the press and voters.

you will spruik it – right to the bitter end

…and quite a way beyond the bitter end it seems.

destroy all the dirt

Revealing again your total ignorance of the evidence provided at turc that any paper document destroyed that might be requested, is backed up on database, or available elsewhere.

And then I guess you two dopey idiots can provide the link that shows where the CFMEU have not fully complied with the turcs request? (unlike the turc themselves)

Shouldn’t be hard for youse to come up with that, going on your rhetoric.

Look forward to seeing it in the morning 😉

Seems yabot wanted a Royal Commission into anything he hated.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott’s own department discussed setting up an investigation into the Bureau of Meteorology amid media claims it was exaggerating estimates of global warming, Freedom of Information documents have revealed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/government-discussed-bom-investigation-over-climate-change/6799628

What would the title of this have been, BOMRC into Global Warming Corruption?

Yep sb, they are on sale today. Midday the madness begins

Grab em while you can 🙂

Well, so far this morning at #turc, we have worked out that the commish isn’t the only one who can’t use emails

Council accusing doesn’t understand why people are cc’ed in on letters. She reckons the fact they didn’t read a cc email show they are GUILTY

Muppets.

Looks like the FIX is in

NSW Liberal senator Arthur Sinodinos told the ABC”s Insiders program on Sunday that “Bill Shorten’s had one appearance (at the royal commission) and he’s about to have another”.

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As am I

#UpTheIrons!

East Link was seen as highly contentious when the AWU did the deal. CFMEU, AMWU & ETU were all particularly unhappy with the loss of the rostering of RDO, the span of hours, shift work etc.

It was seen as a grab for membership (revenue) at the time that the AWU was almost broke.

The resulting turf war had a number of casualties for example –

* The protective barriers that were to be erected on the Westgate Bridge after a father threw his 5 year old daughter off because a protracted project that was a battleground (over a public safety issue)
* The new fruit & vegetable marker became the most expensive ever

So Tom R – which union was right in the destructive turf wars – Shorten and his mates or the CFMEU?

wow yomm, you are now blaming the Unions for the death of girl

Sink much lower can you?

Which I find rather hilarious considering every time a Liberal minister in particular or backbencher in general are asked a question about the economy its – “… not our fault blame the ALP …

What is wrong with that?

The budget deficit was $30 billion when you took office; it’s now $48 billion. How do you ..

That comment was wrong by Sales. Swans last deficit was $48B. Of that $8B was the loan to the Reserve Bank so Swans last deficit was really $40B to be fair.

Hockeys first budget deficit was $38B.

So the budget deficit is similar to Labors and there has been a small rise in unemployment, Nothing like the huge increase under Rudd/Gillard

And after the CFMEU spent a week at turc being misrepresented in the media and accused by the libs over a fairly straight forward merger cleanout, they continue to hit back, with facts. Fuck ya witch hunt off, and take the biased judge with ya! Go catch real criminals!

No wonder the AFP haven’t got around to checking on ashbygate, to busy listening in on Unions shredding decades old papers. What a friggin yawnfest.

Will turnbull fix the fuck up? IS it a fuck up, or is it a design?

When so called economists say that overseas investors are not driving the escalating property prices in Sydney they’re talking through a whole in their arse.

Yes a big worry. But it is also a great compliment to our country. Everybody wants to come here.

At the moment for personal reasons i cannot stand the sight of an Eastern European especially the Russians. If Russia which is the biggest country on earth with more mineral wealth than anyone else cannot look after their own people then they can get stuffed.

“whole”?

OUCH

hey toolman, just exposing more of your fucken lies!

China will take a step towards tackling climate change that has proved politically impossible in the US by announcing that it will set up a national emissions trading system during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Washington.

http://www.ft.com/intl/fastft/397141/china-set-up-national-emissions-trading-system

What will churnbull do? Move with the rest of the world (when we COULD have been leading)?

I agree with the CFMEU

Got a link?

Thought not.

They had one, guess what “Checks Out!”

They got another (since you seem to be a fan) 😉

I agree with the CFMEU – bring back the White Australia Policy.

The White Australia policy is not as bad as people think. It was racist. But Labor did not want Chinese workers because they were worried they would work for half wages and drive the wages of everybody else down.

I was involved in Australian Science. English is now the language of science. The Eastern Europeans turn up and volunteer to work for half wages. And it is legal. All research workers are on contracts. So a University writes a contract so you can legally be in the lab without health and safety issues being a problem but you pay them for 2.5 days work.

Postdoctoral workers get paid $90K/year plus 17% Super. Russians scientists get paid $12K/year. So half wages ($45K/year) is still better than full wages in Moscow.

SB

Science is the first profession with no borders. Since every scientist in the world must publish in English there is no problem with employing Russians. Poles, Chinese.

And they all want jobs in Australia, USA, Canada and Britain. Not because they are unemployed but because they do not like the salary their govts pay them.

You can make fun of my comments but you have no idea what is happening.

KL, seems we are not alone in our understanding of the economy woes … Pascoe’s right …

Thank you for telling me that Pascoe is a deadbeat and votes Labor

…who may be forced to participate in illegal activities to get results…

Copyright infringement is no laughing matter, young lady.

and i have been making the odd comment ever since.

pssst, nil, “odd” doesn’t begin to describe them

It appears that turnbull is not just a sheep in wolfs clothing, he’s dumber than the wolf

Unions have vowed to unleash a “fierce” grassroots and social media campaign against any federal government attempt to cut penalty rates

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Yea, go on talc, bring it on. Really, nothing has changed has it, except they “might” sell it better. Not a good start.

Frydenberg said it was 50 per cent more expensive to establish an energy project in Australia compared with one on the US Gulf Coast.

Not sure how much cafe’s push up the cost of energy projects? That’s a lot of coffee.

Let’s hope the debate uses common sense and not frydenbergs , common sense like this

Employers argue that people should be able to make up during weekdays for what they have lost working on Saturday or Sunday. The fact is, they don’t. My research with colleagues into the effect of non-standard work hours shows that people who work on weekends – and particularly on Sundays – not only spend less time with family and friends, but are unable to make up that time on days they are not working. It’s not hard to see why: most other people are at work.

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Well DUH!. Most importantly

Sunday, even though people might not go to church as much as in the past, is still regarded as the day of rest – a family day.

So, while the grubmint might have a shiny new leather jacket, the aim remains the same. Kick the poor. Here’s a thought, why work cheaper, when we could work smarter?

http://www.futuresmartaustralia.org/

#lolbolt

And he did all this in the face of astonishing heckling and even vilification from our media class,

hahahhahahahahahahahahaha

poor widdle chaff bag yabot

What a dipshit is bolt. What’s worst, is there are numbnuts out there who believe this shit

Here lie their dreams as they stand in the sun
On the ground where they built, and the engines they run
To the moon and the stars, now what have we done?
Oh the dreamers may die, but the dreams live on

Do … Dreams live on?

It could be the future of aviation, British eccentric genius on a grand scale, or possibly a bit of both. Secreted in a hangar a few miles south of Bedford sits the world’s largest aircraft: a hybrid of plane, balloon and hovercraft, an airship that the company modestly says will change the world. The Airlander 10 can fly for weeks, land virtually anywhere that’s flat, and burns just a fifth of the fuel of a conventional aircraft.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/worlds-largest-aircraft-looking-for-investors-to-give-it-liftoff

Bolt does get confused on occasions, like when he thinks it is racist for an ethnic and dispossessed minority to seek to remedy the fact.

There’s obviously a place for conservative or libertarian commentators to challenge political correctness but Bolt doesn’t fill the role, he’s mainly a narrow minded whinger.

Enter, Kneel, on the right. Still spouting ridiculous polemic bullshit he’s assimilated from reading Bolt

They are my opinions. I do not like what happened. I think some MP’s were worried they would lose their seats at the next election and wanted a new leader. What they fail to realise is that they may not have a job in the first place. There is no way Turnbull would have defeated Rudd at the 2013 election and i doubt he will win the next one.

People keep underestimating Abbott. I remember many comments saying Abbott would never be PM because people would not vote for him as leader of the Coalition.

and those who keep overestimating his popularity

I have stated several times i do not understand the hatred shown to Abbott. In fact i think it is worse than the hatred directed at Howard. But i do not agree with what happened.

But Abbott and Howard are similar. Lots of people told lies about them. As soon as Turnbull gets in the hatred dies down but the policies have not changed.

We don’t elect our PM here, Kneel. As you well know.

Well if Turnbull was Opposition leader in 2013, Kevin Rudd would have won the 2103 election.

ideologically crippled, limited life experience in the real world, power and money hungry, helping the rich to suck on the poor …

That statement could apply to lots of people from any political party.

“TONY ABBOTT: If we win the election I’ll be regarded as a genius. If we don’t win I’ll probably be political road kill at some point in time….I would like to be a leader who makes a difference but you can only make a difference if you take people with you. If you just say this is what I want and to hell with the rest of you, your leadership will inevitably end in tears.”

“Would anyone want him in private enterprise?”

Possibly he could return to supervising a very small cement factory.

I was hoping to get out early, but Brisbane airport is now closed due to bad weather. How on earth do people live here???
————-

Suitable employment opportunity for Mr Abbott

two years of slowing down the most important infrastructure this country had/has ever embarked upon …

And what happened under Rudd/Gillard. Six years of nothing.

The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes were are the worst government this country has ever seen and I just hope history records it as such …

Why? What did Abbott trash? Most of our current problems stem from that govt.

New York: Julia Gillard was called many things during her time as the first female prime minister of Australia – ‘Juliar’, a ‘witch’, and worse, – but in the United States on Tuesday, she was described using a title usually reserved for the likes of Beyonce: ‘fierce’.

That’s really nice. I’m glad Gillard is enjoying whatever it is she is doing.

But I’m really glad she is no longer Prime Minister.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fierce-julia-gillard-cheered-alongside-michelle-obama-the-power-of-a-postpm-career-20150929-gjxo42.html#ixzz3nBBU4kE5

It looks as if I have a lot more faith in the judgement of the population than TB.

History demonstrates that the public was right to get rid of Howard, it was right to lament the knifing of Rudd, it was (probably) right to want to say goodbye to the ALP government, **it was right to turn against Abbott and it is (probably) right to prefer Turnbull to Shorten.

Turnbull shows that he is inclined to be persuaded to change policy. I suspect he has called this summit to provide additional rationale for some changes.

**even though I voted ALP in 2013

but she had too many enemies surrounding her

Including (and most importantly) a media who, unlike the rest of world, dismissed the misogyny speech out of hand, and subsequently got left in the wake of their international comrades. And they STILL fail to recognise it for what it was, even AFTER the horror of having a publicly outed misogynist pretending to be the minster for womens

“As just one example she was totally unafraid to take down a male opposition leader in front of parliament and the world for his sexism and misogyny. It’s a great speech, Google it.”

https://www.laborherald.com.au/education/gillard-hailed-as-fierce-feminist-and-calls-on-women-to-ignore-trolls/?utm_content=buffer455f2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

but that’s about it.

–Leadership of the United Nations mission to restore independence and democracy to East Timor
-lifting productivity on Australia’s waterfront to world standards
– establishment of the National Community Crime Prevention Programme
-an increase in the number of apprentices in training by more than two-and-a-half times – from 154,800 in March 1996 to 397,400 by December 2006
-an increase in the number of higher education students from 659,000 in 1997 to 1,029 846 in 2007
-the establishment of a specific Future Fund, providing for the future superannuation liabilities of Australian public servants
-Priority for school-to-work programs such as Jobs Pathway and enterprise education
-the introduction of the Work for the Dole program, helping to get long-term unemployed back into the workforce
-a nationwide strategy to involve communities in the protection of the environment through the establishment with the States of catchment management authorities across the continent under the Natural Heritage Trust and the National Action Plan for Salinity and Water Quality
-setting new international standards in the protection of marine areas by expanding from 5 per cent to 33 percent the proportion of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park protected from exploitation
-establishing the National Oceans Office and the commencement of marine protected areas around the entire continental shelf
-establishment of the National Heritage Council and the National Heritage list for the effective protection of Australia’s national heritage
-building of the National Portrait Gallery and planning the new Museum of Democracy
-the Alice Springs – Darwin railway
-Instituting nation-wide gun controls following the Port Arthur massacre
-eliminating Labor’s $96 billon government debt – by 2007 Australia was saving $8.8 billion a year in interest payments
-decline in number of households dependent on government pensions and allowances from 28.5 per cent in 1994-95 to 23.2 per cent in 2007-08
-restoring Australia’s AAA credit rating
-establishing the Charter of Budget Honesty and the independence of the Reserve Bank to manage monetary policy
-New prudential supervision of financial institutions through the Australian Prudential Regulatory Authority (APRA)
-providing the largest tax relief in Australia’s history, and a much fairer tax system from 2000 with the introduction of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) – followed by further tax relief in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007

but that’s about it.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2010/08/19/the-tide-turns-back-towards-labor-on-marine-parks/

The Howard Government delivered the world’s first Oceans Policy and major marine parks in the Great Australian Bight, Australia’s south-east marine region around Tasmania, around our sub-Antarctic islands, and greatly increased protection of the Great Barrier Reef. A number of Australia’s major fisheries were rationalized and restructured, underpinned with a multimillion-dollar package to provide the necessary graceful exits. One of the biggest legislative reform agendas in Australia’s history was delivered with the creation of the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. Fish became recognized as wildlife not just a commercial commodity and hundreds of millions of dollars were invested through the National Heritage Trust in Australia’s first national program for coast and marine protection and rehabilitation.

Rudd’s Labor inherited a commendable marine planning process but has failed to deliver anything on the water and have all but dispensed with deployment of any marine and coastal investment. They have dithered on everything but championing whale protection internationally.

They have dithered on everything but championing whale protection internationally.

She must feel a little bit silly now after what Labor achieved on the marine parks side of things 😉

It’s so recent it can barely even be called history nil

Our national network of sanctuaries is the result of decades of effort across the political divide in Australia. The process to establish the national network first began when John Howard’s Coalition Government developed the world’s first Oceans Policy in 1998 and went on to declare 22 marine parks around Australia. This built on Australia’s first federal marine parks declared by the Whitlam Labor Government in the 1970s, and the Fraser Liberal Government in the 1980s.

Federal Labor then finalised the world’s largest and first comprehensive network of sanctuaries bringing the total of federal marine parks to 59.

http://saveourmarinelife.org.au/about/achievements/

Federal Labor then finalised the world’s largest and first comprehensive network of sanctuaries bringing the total of federal marine parks to 59

My understanding is that it never happened. They proposed but the Coalition was against it. Coalition said that the Howard govt marine parks were enough. It never happened.

Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park. They did PROPOSE however.

I’m beginning to think Kneel is actually in Austria and on the wrong blog …

I forgot to add that in 2006, 25% of cars were made in Australia. After Rudd/Gillard only 10% of cars were made in Australia. The GFC had nothing to do with that.

The GFC had nothing to do with that.

nothing?

the vast marine parks established under Labor

This is wrong. Gillard never established any marine parks. She proposed but never legislated.

Because of changes the yabot grubmint made.

No. the Howard govt created 1 million square kilometers of marine parks. It was one of the great achievements of the Howard govt. Gillard wanted to triple this to 3 million square kilometers. Gillard proposed but never legislated. And the Coalition abandoned plans to increase the size of the marine parks because it would lock out recreational fisherman from too large an area.

As usual the Gillard govt gets credit for doing nothing. It never happened.

Environment Minister, Tony Burke, today marked the proclamation

Yep, labor proclaimed but it was never legislated, never happened and the Coalition reversed the legislation.

Just shows you should never trust the media especially the Labor loving journalists. You have been lead astray

Howard created 1 million square miles of marine parks and that is what we have now.

It is a different government.

The Turnbull government has dropped its plan to allow universities to set their own fees from next year, and will go back to the drawing board on higher education reform.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-government-shelves-controversial-university-reforms-in-major-departure-from-abbott-era-20150930-gjynlt.html#ixzz3nGrMLLzm

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That seems an odd comment TB.
You provide a comment to justify your own perspective by quoting some nebulous group of “many economists” and then start to split hairs about how an economist qualification is to be classified!
Apparently you’re a qualified trainer, whatever that means. But you routinely tell us that this is the case.

I don’t care which colour of government it is they are now run to make a profit … that is not their function …

Now exactly who is suggesting that governments run at a “profit”. Seeking reduce mounting (and ultimately unsustainable) debt, isn’t a “profit”. But left oriented types often get confused about that.

It is a different government.

Didn’t the “last” (yabot) grubmint not tell us about this before the election? Seems like the same old shit to me

But he said the government’s policies officially remain in place until cabinet decides otherwise.

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I think this explains yomms “different government” quite well.

Neil, will you be happy if Abbott destabilise the libs like rudd did to gillard?

Don’t know but i do not like what happened. i think Turnbull is power mad.

Howard and Abbott cared about Australia. Turnbull only cares about Turnbull.

I hope the Nats contest every seat in Australia.

Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of the union warlords

Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of “teh faceless men”

Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd because she’s an unscrupulous power hungry woman

Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of Shorten

Hang on, ………………. I’m getting dizzy ………….

orrrrrrrrrrr

Gillard knifed Rudd because he was an unsuitable PM

talcum knifed yabot because he was an unsuitable PM

When it comes to recent events in domestic Australian politics, Julia Gillard prefers to leave commentary to her colleagues in the Labor party.

But regarding the recent ousting of the prime minister, Tony Abbott, Gillard said on Wednesday: “I understand how he feels, having been there myself.”…and because I’ve also knifed a Prime Minister in the first term of government**

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/julia-gillard-ousted-tony-abbott-feels-australian-prime-minister

► Negative gearing

► Pollies perqs past and present

How about spending less? Lefties always try to solve budget problems with increased taxes

The government occupies quite enough of the economy, the proportion of government revenue to the GDP is more than adequate.

I’m also quite happy to close the various tax loopholes, as long as this is used to offset reductions in other areas of government revenue.

Left oriented types usually just want a bigger proportion of society and the economy to be occupied by people that soak up the taxes we pay.

Lefties instinctively look for ways to raise more money by taxation rather than cut spending or spending more wisely. They are always on the lookout for someone who is successful and making money and then when they find him they tax the crap out of him.

That is why Labor will never run surplus budgets no matter how good the economy is and how amazing the achievement of Costello was. Nine surplus budgets out of 11 for Costello. never will happen again.

Awkward for the witch hunt

Not to steal their gas … that’s for sure

I posted a list of Howard govt achievements

https://theguttertrash.com/2015/09/21/exclusive-the-secret-deals-behind-turnbulls-new-front-bench/#comment-116355

One of them was the Independence of East Timor.

Does anybody really think the ALP would have done something like that?

Are you saying Howard did this to steal Indonesia’s gas?

Well, I consider I pay too much tax but I don’t try to avoid it (thus far). I just want some value for it. I look at the growth of non productive public servants and the feather bedding and think there is plenty of room to offload some.

I’ve already said I don’t mind rebalancing the tax effort to eliminate rorts such as those listed by TB. But apparently this isn’t good enough, I have to be in favour of higher a higher tax take by the government.

The onus is really on TB, Tom R and AO to demonstrate why the tax take should be higher, and why there isn’t any more scope for government efficiency.

The onus is really on TB, Tom R and AO to demonstrate why the tax take should be higher,

You mean apart from the historical record?

The level of which provided us with the means for a worlds best educational and health system, until the like of howard and co bastardised them into their stupid “private/public partnerships”, and the resultant drop in services for a higher price.

Get the tax level back to where it was, and provide those taxes to actual public entities, not this rent seeker trough machine we have now.

STOP subsidising private health and private schooling. If you want “choice”, pay for it, or, “choose” to send your kid to one of the many fine public schools.

And right on time the media show us just how much skin they have in this game

Since Prime Minister Turnbull’s comment last week that the government would “consider” the issue of Sunday penalty rates – perhaps aligning them to Saturday’s level of 150 per cent of the normal wage instead of Sunday’s 200 per cent – Labor and the unions have gone feral.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/dont-penalise-employment-20151001-gjz0ep#ixzz3nMCl5czz
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And they then proceed with a feral article with all the old chestnuts, but nothing to back it up. It just is, you know;)

From your link ao

being exploited on low wages and believing they have no power to ask for their rights.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/investigations/black-jobs-rampant-exploitation-of-foreign-workers-in-australia-revealed-20150930-gjxz7q.html#ixzz3nMai6moq
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And the Unions already have their arms tide that tight, yet the grubmint and their business mates want to cut them off further.

Back in the old days there were hordes of public service clerks filing records, writing letters, filling out forms. The public service was extremely labour intensive.

Now seamless technology looks after all that.

But according to Tom R we need the public sector to return the monolithic size that it was at its peak!

He thinks the biggest public sector we have ever had is the model of best practice, that’s this demonstrates there is no inefficiency left, to ease the burden on the people that prop it up.

And while the government is committed to keeping the tax take as a proportion of the economy capped at the peak 23.6 per cent reached during the Howard years,

So now we are back to the Howard govt being a high taxing govt. Lefties just say things depending on what side of the bed they get out of. It used to be that the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget.

Lefties just say things depending on what ……… the facts are? 😉

Yea, of course turnball isn’t going to attack workers holiday rates, is he 😉

It used to be…

http://www.australiandebtclock.com.au/history

1billion locking up refugees,

These were the people ALP/Greens locked up. $11B was spent by Rudd/Gillard on housing the 50,000 boat people they locked up. Of course this expense continues.

Only people as shameless as the ALP/Greens would blame this cost on the Coalition.

Oh and Labor also locked up 2,000 kids.

Apparently it is racist (these days) to generalise (in a negative way) about a religion and its adherents.

I’d rather it was put into a decent NBN, NDIS, health & education system where it benefits all australians.

And that is why ALP/Greens will always get us into debt. There are always wonderful programs to send money on but you have to make a decision what to spend money on with limited resources.

And the ALP cannot stop its spending. There is always a new hospital you could build, a new railway line etc etc. Just study your history. Some Coalition govts have trashed the budget but it always happens with Labor.

The trouble is that govts have access to the world largest credit card- govt debt.

Well we know your past and your future …

I was just pointing out why a Labor govt will never run surplus budgets and will always get us into debt. And they do it in a moralistic way. We are spending this money to help people the ALP proclaims.

I would much prefer a public service working for the good of the community, with all of the checks and balances and due diligence it entails, rather than free marketeer cowboys [cronies] looking to make a quick and unearned profit off the back of taxpayer funded services.

That comment reminds me a little bit about what some people said about Communist countries. For example Communist country airlines would be safer than Western airlines because Western planes have to make a profit. But the opposite is true. Would anybody want to fly Aeroflot? The freemarket produced better quality planes than Communist govts did.

And the service was better in Western airlines.

There is something about working for the govt that makes people work less efficiently.

I happened to have to put up with listening to a couple of public servants over dinner recently – young fit people – about my age!

They were discussing their plan to take their defined benefits retirement scheme because it didn’t make financial sense to keep working!

…and apparently work isn’t what it used to be, with all the forms to fill out and budgets to comply with!

So just give it away and put the burden on the taxpayers! Honestly, what privileged planet do these people live on?

There should be no retirement on defined benefits until 65.

Do you think the government is run as efficiently as possible, with no room for improvement?

Of course there is room for improvement.

Let’s start with using public moneys to finance public institutions rather than private ones. Why should the taxpayer fund private companies that only push up the cost of scant resources? Unfortunately, I see shorten has chased after this model on hte weekend. Muppet.

Let’s examine just why we have paid Telstra millions for tonnes of coppper that will cost more to maintain and remove and is essentially useless in a modern infrastructure?

We should STOP outsourcing or Public Service. We want the knowledge and experience to stay with us, not the private rentseekers, as in the case when this mob cut the compliance department at the ato, allowing tax cheats to further cheat, and with the added bonus of being able to hire these recently sacked professionals who can now advice them how to cheat even better.

I think they’re mainly interested in maximising their pay/benefits and minimising their work and responsibilities.

You keep saying this, but never produce any hard examples, just blatherings about biscuits and cardigans, oh yea, and now your (totally unsourced of course) favorite case study

Here’s a case study. The gutting of TAFE, and the public funding of private “trainers” who are there to make money before training outcomes.

Studies (Word Document) show that, overall, the outcomes from both are similar. But said studies also mention, but don’t specifically apply this to outcomes, that TAFE takes in far more financially or distance disadvantaged, handicapped and or unemployed students than do RTO’s.

Luckily, SA has moved back from this model of publicly funding private enterprise to “train” people in a profit based environment back to a more rounded TAFE approach.

young fit people – about my age!

nuff said 😉

The right solution is to stop giving any public money to for-profit education businesses…

Or health ………

Don’t say weekend rates needed for private school fees, Labor.

Yes, that is a statement I think Shorten will wish he hadn’t uttered AO.

I certainly wish he hadn’t 😉

Seems like Shorten thinks that sending your kids to a private school is something to aim for.

My friend sent his kids to private schools because his son got bashed up by another kid at the public school and the teachers did nothing about it. So he removed his son from the public school and sent him to the closest Christian school.

Do you really believe the crap you write here, Kneel

I just stated a fact. My beliefs had nothing to do with it. The guy removed his son from the public school because the teachers did nothing when he was bashed.

But i do think standards have fallen in Public Schools and it has nothing to do with funding.

Actually it was Alan Jones who said Gillard Dad died of shame not Abbott.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%22died_of_shame%22_controversy

The Alan Jones “died of shame” controversy originated from a speech made by Australian radio broadcaster Alan Jones in September 2012, in which Jones suggested that then-Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s late father, John, “died of shame”.