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EXCLUSIVE: Malcolm Turnbull’s Fabulous new Front bench!

September 21, 2015

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Australia’s fabulously stylish new Prime Minister Malcolm “talcum” Turnbull has unveiled his fabulous new front bench that apparently heralds a fabulous new era in Australian politics.   It’s going to be FABULOUS…!!

THE WINNERS

Christopher Pyne, the Minister for Sturt who was more or less guaranteed to lose his seat in South Australia after the submarines debacle now emerges as the new Minister for Science, yes SCIENCE!’

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The new ministry represents a massive transition from the decaying decrepit mob that inhabited Tony Abbott’s crypt of cronies with a dramatic influx of new faces.

Unveiling his new team, talcum mentioned “renewal” ad nauseum and the party’s apparent need to embrace the future.

For the first time in two years the minister looking after women’s issues will in fact be a woman, a prospect that had never occurred to his predecessor Tony Abbott.

In addition to taking on the role of Minister for Women, West Australian senator Michaelia Cash will also be the Minister for Employment.

Kelly O’Dwyer will be the Small Business Minister and Assistant Treasurer, and also will sit in cabinet.  Senator Marise Payne will be the new defence minister.

This means a total of five women, including incumbent Health Minister Sussan Ley will have cabinet rank.

However, there were many casualties needed to make way for them.

THE LOSERS

For the first time in almost 20 years Tony Abbott will be vanquished from the front bench. Apparently the former Prime Minister was not interested in working for the newly elected PM.

Other dinosaurs dumped from talcum’s ministry include former Defence Minister Kevin Andrews, who had literally begged for a job, Employment Minister Eric Abetz, the Minister for the Home Shopping Channel Bruce Bilson, former Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, and former Veterans’ Affairs Minister Michael Ronaldson.

Disgruntled conservative Liberal MP Cory Bernardi, with the support of Abbott loyalists Ray Hadley, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt has indicated he may establish a new conservative political party under the auspices of the Conservative United National Tradition Supporters.

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563 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 11:37 am

    Left two comments ?

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 11:41 am

    Six women … 30 blokes … christ those sheilas must be dumb, hey?

    Maybe this list should go here:

    Prime Minister: Malcolm Turnbull

    Leader of the Government in the Senate: George Brandis

    Leader of the House: Christopher Pyne

    Treasurer: Scott Morrison

    Minister for Foreign Affairs: Julie Bishop

    Attorney-General: George Brandis

    Minister for Women: Michaelia Cash

    Minister for Indigenous Affairs: Nigel Scullion

    Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development and Deputy Prime Minister: Warren Truss

    Minister for Resources, Energy and Northern Australia (Minister for Territories, Local Government and Major Projects): Josh Frydenberg

    Minister for Trade and Investment: Andrew Robb

    Minister for International Development and the Pacific: Steven Ciobo

    Minister for Tourism and International Education: Richard Colbeck

    Minister for Justice: Michael Keenan

    Minister for Small Business: Kelly O’Dwyer

    Minister for Finance: Mathias Cormann

    Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources: Barnaby Joyce

    Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science: Christopher Pyne

    Minister for Immigration and Border Protection: Peter Dutton

    Minister for the Environment: Greg Hunt

    Minister for Health and Sport: Susan Ley

    Minister for Rural Health: Fiona Nash

    Minister for Defence: Marise Payne

    Minister for Veterans’ Affairs: Stuart Robert

    Minister for Defence Materiel and Science: Mal Brough

    Minister for Communications: Mitch Fifield

    Minister for the Arts: Mitch Fifield

    Minister for Employment: Michaelia Cash

    Minister for Social Services: Christian Porter

    Minister for Human Services: Stuart Robert

    Minister for Education and Training: Simon Birmingham

    Minister for Vocational Education and Skills: Luke Hartsuyker

    Cabinet Secretary: Arthur Sinodinos

    Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service: Michaelia Cash

    Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government: Mitch Fifield

    Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter Terrorism: Michael Keenan

    Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: Alan Tudge

    Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: James McGrath

    Assistant Minister for Productivity: Peter Hendy

    Assistant Cabinet Secretary: Scott Ryan

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2015 11:46 am

    Conservative United National Tradition Supporters

    Nice acronym.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 12:31 pm

    Chuckle …

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 12:34 pm

    Mr Turnbull’s Sunday farewell to Mr Hockey and his ministerial career included words which have long been code for sending a political leftover offshore: “I believe he has a further contribution to make.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/joe-hockey-in-line-for-plum-post-despite-being-a-political-loser-who-was-almost-sacked/story-fn5tas5k-1227536879349

    SMACKS OF A BACKROOM DEAL to me … resign and … !

  6. September 21, 2015 12:44 pm

    …resign and…become Ambassador to Washington…!

  7. Loco Lobo permalink
    September 21, 2015 12:52 pm

    Eleventy to Washington? That’ll mean 3 Tory grubs in the highest ranking diplomatic corps. Downer in London, Minchin in Paris, hockey in Washinton. Jesus wept.

  8. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 1:02 pm

    …resign and…become Ambassador to Washington…!

    How much did we have to lift so he could lean over there?

    “I don’t know what the point of Tony Abbott was, but it was fun while it lasted. It was like taking heroin, it was incredibly exhilarating, and it was right that you stopped.”

    Except he didn’t have to live through the nightmare.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2015 1:57 pm

    This should be interesting. David Marr is usually quite insightful about character, of lack of it.

    …and Shorten has lack of character in abundance!

    BILL Shorten today will have to deal with a profile which depicts the Labor Leader as a man of many battles and betrayals with the scars and nicknames to show for it.
    The political biography by author David Marr in Quarterly Essay comes as voters are reassessing Mr Shorten against a new opponent, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/faction-man-essay-on-bill-shorten-reveals-insights-into-labor-leader/story-fns0jze1-1227536163743

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2015 1:58 pm

    “I don’t know what the point of Tony Abbott was, but it was fun while it lasted. It was like taking heroin, it was incredibly exhilarating, and it was right that you stopped.”

    Gee i wonder which political party John Oliver votes for? let me see, i guess he votes Democrat in the USA and Labour in the UK.

    Lefties always behave in the same smartarse way. Also nothing of value to say. Nothing to add to the conversation.

  11. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 2:29 pm

    …and Shorten has lack of character in abundance!

    I guess if you don’t read the words, you could come to that conclusion yomm 😉

    This part was painfully true

    many voters still don’t know much about him, and what they do know has been planted with them by his enemies.

    But then, so was this

    He is a master of the art of negotiation, a deal maker of immense skill.

    http://linkis.com/www.theguardian.com/2Pwgb

    Just because you are a Character, does not mean you have Character

  12. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 2:38 pm

    And, since turnbull said he wants it to be about policy, Labor seem to have complied

    With Liberal plans for $100,000 degrees stalling in parliament, Australian Labor is promising to overhaul higher education, lift graduation rates to 20,000 a year and inject 27 per cent more funding into an improved system by 2018.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/education/higher-education-and-the-changes-that-really-need-to-happen/

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 2:57 pm

    How much did we have to lift so he could lean over there?

    Obviously the age of entitlement only applies to some people … hey?

    Jesus wept alright Loco

    This should be interesting. David Marr is usually quite insightful about character, of lack of it.

    You obviously didn’t watch Insiders on Sunday with Marr poncing about on the sofa … fkn odd bod …

    And before you “decide” about Shorten you want to do some research on the bachelor of artsy fartsy and law in the “new” cabinet … only a couple have any real work experience …

    … and if you really want to giggle in yer soup have a look at Wyatt Roy’s wiki entry and what he’s doing now … substance … ? Any adult who voted for him is certainly a mobile vegetable with half a brain …

    And while there has been a shuffle in factional representation … nowt’s changed lad … ‘t muckrakers are still muckrakers* … even in fancy suits … no work/life experience, groomed for Canberra from whelped pups most of ’em … probably have a “man” to put ‘t shoes on …

    *Allthow none of ’em will ‘a got thier ‘ands mucky on’t way up … entitled? Bloody BS …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 3:00 pm

    The sharemarket was thrilled with Turnbull’s new Cabinet …

    http://www.google.com/finance?cid=10584617

  15. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 3:06 pm

    You obviously didn’t watch Insiders on Sunday

    I think he prefers Marrs thoughts parsed through the murdoch lens so they can make it palatable for him 😉

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2015 3:14 pm

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2015 3:22 pm

    I used to have dinner with David Marr (friend of a friend) from time to time. He was quite entertaining, and intelligent.

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 3:46 pm

    He was quite entertaining, and intelligent.

    I’ve no doubt … do’t make ‘im smart tho’ do ert? …

    David Marr wrote this too … about Abbott …

    Even as minister for health – and he was a good minister – he liked to lock himself away for days at a time to write newspaper pieces in which he threw around big, bold ideas.

    … Abbott convinced Australia that he was the truth teller and his opponent, Julia Gillard, the liar …

    … His devotion to the crown was comic yet it didn’t bring him undone – though even his supporters regard his knighting of Prince Philip as one of the silliest political gestures in living memory …

    … His defence of marriage as an honourable estate fit only for heterosexuals was one of the few times in his career Abbott tried to force his religious beliefs on the nation …

    … He is a unique man. His was a unique failure.

    So I can assure you David Marr does not see the world as many of us do … you, perhaps … but not me … funny that, hey? 🙂

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2015 4:31 pm

    Except he didn’t have to live through the nightmare.

    Can’t stop telling lies can you TomR. For the one millionth time.

    Who locked up 2,000 kids? Who locked up 50,000 boat people costing us $11B? Who trashed the budget? Who destroyed our car industry? Who damaged our relationship with Indonesia?

    Abbott was a saint compared to Rudd/Gillard/

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 5:29 pm

    I think … policies may trump funny fotos, ToM … or Turncoats Colgate smile …

    Typical tory playing the man not the ball …

    I particularly like the para about STEM … the future of commerce in the 21st Century … along with fast communications … pity about the latter … thank you, Mr Tunbull …

    If you work hard and get good marks you should have the opportunity to go to university — no matter what your bank balance is.

    With two in every three jobs of the future expected to require a degree, I want to see more Australians go to university. And importantly, finish university with the skills and knowledge they need to succeed, not a debt sentence.

    That’s why today I’ve announced Labor’s positive plan for more graduates, not $100,000 degrees — because that’s the investment our economy needs for the future.
    Investing in education is the single most important thing we can do to maintain and grow Australia’s prosperity, and secure the jobs of the future.

    That’s why we will introduce a new Student Funding Guarantee that will see a greater investment in every student – $11,800 per student in 2018 compared with $9,300 under the Liberals.

    You can read the full detail of our plan here. But this is my main point — unlike the Liberals, we will always ensure access to university is based on hard work and good marks, not someone’s ability to pay.

    Because although we may have a new Prime Minister, we have the same old policies. Malcolm Turnbull has cut deals to get the job and he’s already said he supports Tony Abbott’s plan for $100,000 university degrees. The only way we can stop $100,000 degrees is to change the government.

    We can— along with our policy for 100,000 students to study science, technology, engineering and maths debt free — make sure students have a quality education that supports them to succeed and to build the high-skilled, high-wage jobs of the future.
    I made it clear in my first Budget Reply that higher education would be an election issue and today I delivered on my promise to you.

    Bill Shorten

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2015 5:31 pm

    Oh, and , ToM …

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2015 5:40 pm

    I’m not sure which I prefer, though I believe this is his passport photo-

  23. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 6:17 pm

    Perhaps he had just seen this tweet yomm 😉

  24. September 21, 2015 6:34 pm

    “”Poll Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 55 (+12) ALP 45 (-12)””

    FMD!

    So much for Abbott saying “”it’s not about me””..

  25. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2015 6:42 pm

    I blame the character assassinators!!

    They made him look like a bully!

  26. September 21, 2015 6:44 pm

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  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2015 7:37 pm

    Tony Abbott ‘was like heroin’ says comedian John Oliver
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/tony-abbott-was-like-heroin-says-comedian-john-oliver/story-e6frg6so-1227536946827

    …British comedian John Oliver remarked on the former prime minister’s ousting while on his way into the American television awards show in Los Angeles, as the new Turnbull ministry was being sworn in in Canberra.

    “Ding dong, Tony is dead,” Oliver told reporters on the red carpet on Monday.

    “I don’t know what the point of Tony Abbott was but it was fun while it lasted.

    “It was like taking heroin: it was incredibly exhilarating and it was right that you stopped.” Oliver brought Mr Abbott to the attention of US audiences in June 2014, highlighting his gaffes in a segment on the American satire show Last Week Tonight…

  28. September 21, 2015 7:52 pm

    the reportland crew are quite stunned tonight, they can`t remember the last time a prime meddler was in the studio and `actually` answered the questions they were asked with `actual` information, some crew members off-camera collapsed from what is believed to be `slogan-withdrawal`

  29. September 21, 2015 8:04 pm

    the swooning like `that` is not created when blib is on reportland

  30. September 21, 2015 8:26 pm

    team-cheerer”””’After seeing the cabinet, it actually looks quite promising. And that is a worry for Labor. Of course, it could all be smoke and mirrors, but, people wanted a change, and it looks like that’s what they are being sold. If the policy changes are as sharp as the cabinet looks, Labor will be in a world of trouble. They are really at the mercy of the RWDB’s at the moment, if they keep their heads down and don’t cause trouble, and, if turnbull actually delivers on his rhetoric (and fixes the NBN, NDIS and Carbon Pricing), then I don’t think it matters who leads Labor next election, they will be back to starting from behind, after successfully pulling the libs back from the hard right.”””’

    #well said team-cheerer, l noticed too, talkbull is `acting` on things, straight out of the starting-blocks, new cabinet, new faces and more women, and another thing is he won`t be `hiding`/boycotting from imbecile-media, he knows exactly how to make them swoon and trumps blib big-time, watch as talkbull does all the qandaland, 4corners and reportland possible.

  31. September 21, 2015 9:24 pm

    oh teabags 4corners was fcuking delicious

    tonight (( IVIEW )) if`ya missed it

  32. September 22, 2015 1:16 am

    Worth Consideration…

    https://theintercept.com/2015/09/21/anti-muslim-controversies-last-week-reimagined/

    “Those who justify bigotry against Muslims are typically fond of cherry-picking passages from the Quran to depict Islam as an ideology of evil, as though all Muslims interpret those passages and apply them to their lives the same way (many do this even as they admit when forced that they’ve never even read the Quran let alone studied Islam). Anyone familiar with the odor of neo-Nazis and other assorted anti-Semites knows this slimy tactic very well, as cherry-picking excerpts from the Talmud to depict Jews as lying, hateful, murderous, degenerate savages as a result of what their religion teaches them has long been very popular in those revolting circles.”

    But…The MOOOOOOSLEMSSSSS!!!!

  33. September 22, 2015 8:11 am

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  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:15 am

    Tony Abbott’s new office appears to be the beach, he did an interview this am, to claim that scott morrison didn’t warn him of the coup. It’s a pretty big dummy spit he’s having. I have to say that I think more of rudd and bishop to be courageous enough to sit on the back bench the day after their demise and gillard who left parliament completely. How long should he consider his future? At least take official holiday leave or something, not just going AWOL from work.

    Anyone really think tony won’t be working to destabilise turnbull?

    Surely rupert has a job for him writing a column for the oz, or perhaps a bolt style TV program. Does abbott have the work ethic for anything but bomb throwing?

    .

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:24 am

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:41 am

    Well after watching 7:30 Report after the last half hour of Q&A … I think Shorten just has to get rid of the “wooden” delivery and loosen up a bit and sound confident … he certainly knows his stuff and from what we’ve seen can certainly make things happen … and he seems to have a grasp on the wider society issue than Turnbull …

    As for Turnbull on 7:30 … shallow, preening and wandering … thanks in some degree to Ms Sales and her teenage interviewing technique … as I said last week, Abbott annoyed the shit out of most of us … Turnbull will bore the shit out of us … talking about Abbott … and it must really be hard in the boardroom of Goldman Sachs and that gives him great insight into the struggles of everyday Australians …

    Having said all that, I do feel a fresh breeze blowing through Canberra … at least both PM and OL seem willing to compromise and negotiate rather than throw mud pies …

    As for LNP 55 ALP 45 … ’tis early days and people are just relieved to have rid of Abbott … many of the Dickwits© are still in the Cabinet … and we’ve yet to hear any changes to Abbott infested policies …

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:43 am

    … talking about Abbott … ???????? Kindly ignore ????

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:46 am

    “He is a master of the art of negotiation, a deal maker of immense skill.”

    Yes indeedy. Just ask Gillard and Rudd about Little Billy Two Knives.

  39. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 10:05 am

    Little Billy Two Knives.

    Does that mean it is malcolm one blade?

    ’tis early days and people are just relieved to have rid of Abbott

    The relief is still palpable.

    Hilarious watching the rwdb’s saying “told you so” ROFL

    If there was EVER a more perfect example of WHY media outlets should be more responsible in their “reporting”, the last several years in oz politics is it, culminating with todays sudden backflip from the inner sanctums

    This really fucked me off this morning. Where was his strident defense when it was floated?

    Labor’s proposal in the 2013-14 budget to effectively end the novated lease distortion were completely reasonable and responsible.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/farewell-joe-hockey-champion-of-cheap-politics-20150921-gjre7g.html?stb=twt#ixzz3mQAnLpDU
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    Of course, that was all Labors fault. Nothing to do with the massive campaign run by the media against it.

  40. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 10:10 am

    hahahahhahha

    The tone of 7.30 host Leigh Sales’s first interview with Malcolm Turnbull last night could not have been more different from her approach when taking to task Tony Abbott or Joe Hockey.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/softly-softly-as-leigh-sales-uses-kid-gloves-on-malcolm-turnbull/story-fna045gd-1227537789836

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2015 10:35 am

    … he certainly knows his stuff and from what we’ve seen can certainly make things happen … and he seems to have a grasp on the wider society issue than Turnbull …”

    Really TB, I can’t believe that is a serious comment. In different circumstances Shorten (to you) would be-
    * A private school bully
    * A product of the catholic system

    Shorten’s history is one of duplicity, that’s the hallmark of his career.

  42. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 10:56 am

    In different circumstances

    You mean, if he wasn’t a private school boy bully, he would be.

    Just because he went to private school, doesn’t automatically make him a bully

    Shorten’s history is one of duplicity

    Funny, even yabots politically motivated witch hunt exposed his past as one that ….. benefitted the workers he represented.

    Ah, now I think I see why you hate him (almost as much as you hated Gillard) 😉

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2015 11:08 am

    From your link TR,

    You can see the lopsided right wing economists mindset … the pensioners “double dipped” … wow … $20 a fortnight … included in $33,000 a fortnight pension for two … and nary a word about negative gearing, family trusts, super tax for the rich, multinational tax, or pollies perqs …

    Yes, the tax was axed – but the government didn’t have the ticker to also axe the compensation paid to pensioners for the tax, effectively allowing pensioners to double dip on the carbon kerfuffle. So a revenue stream was ditched, subsequently replaced by $2.5 billion “direct action” program that adds to the expenditure side and the pensioner compensation remained. It’s very hard to claim the fiscal policy high ground in such circumstances.

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    Really TB, I can’t believe that is a serious comment. In different circumstances Shorten (to you) would be-

    * A private school bully

    * A product of the catholic system

    Howard & The Private School Bullies acted like private school, born to rule, bullies … and the Head Prefect Abbott got to run bully the school for the last two years …

    … meanwhile, it seems Billy got on with his education and learning … particularly with his work experience and talking to folk who weren’t born with a sliver spoon stuck up their arses … his old man might have said something about that … a waterside worker if I recall …

    As for being a catlik … seems the Vatican controls many of the Parliamentary systems (around the world) … I can only hope that we of the majority will eventually do something about it … and;

    … there is a few more of the nasty types on you side of politics (given the opportunity by people like Abbott) who display total disdain for everyday Australians … quite frankly I don’t see that with Shorten and, I confess, (‘scuse 🙂 ) to a certain degree Turnbull …

    I do like the change in atmosphere … but the cynic in me says – let’s wait and see …

    Never smile at a crocodile … hey, Milkum?

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2015 11:09 am

    tis early days and people are just relieved to have rid of Abbott

    Why? Abbott did not cause the drowning of 1,200 boat people that we know of and most probably 4 or 5 times that number. That comment can only come from somebody who wants Rudd/Gillard back so the drownings can restart and the locking up up children can restart.

  45. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 11:15 am

    This will be turnbulls biggest test, and he has a few to overcome (NBN, NDIS and AGW to name a few)

    Foreign investors have turned especially bearish on the Australian economy, with one describing it as “toast”, a National Australia Bank report says.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-is-toast-foreign-investors-tell-nab-20150921-gjrfth.html#ixzz3mQSJcu7d
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  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 11:25 am

    tis early days and people are just relieved to have rid of Abbott

    “…Why?…”

    They just don’t like him and don’t want him as our PM.

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 1:08 pm

    Greggy Sheridan on abbott deciding his future.

    Tony Abbott faces his future, with a little help from friends
    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-faces-his-future-with-a-little-help-from-friends/story-fn59niix-1227537792408

    …He has never been driven by money but seems to seek merely reasonable middle-class respectability in material terms.

    eh? that’s not money?

    PM wage is mere middle class respectability?

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2015 2:55 pm

    “Worth Consideration…”

    The rantings of anti-Semitic arsewipes are rarely worth consideration. Especially so with half-witted hate-preachers like Greenwald. One thing you will never get from him is a balanced argument. He is a like a lefty Ann Coulter only without the wit.

    Anyway, let’s see if he is making more sense this time around.

    “Those who justify bigotry against Muslims”

    Start by assuming some vague figment of your imagination. You know the ones that say “hey I’m bigoted. I justify it like this …..”

    “are typically fond of cherry-picking”

    More assertion passing as analysis.

    Now the straw man is under construction, let’s see where this goes.

    “cherry-picking passages from the Quran to depict Islam as an ideology of evil, as though all Muslims interpret those passages and apply them to their lives the same way (many do this even as they admit when forced that they’ve never even read the Quran let alone studied Islam).”

    More vague assertion – straw man almost complete. And then the coup de grace – a hefty does of false equivalence.

    “Anyone familiar with the odor of neo-Nazis and other assorted anti-Semites knows this slimy tactic very well, as cherry-picking excerpts from the Talmud to depict Jews as lying, hateful, murderous, degenerate savages as a result of what their religion teaches them has long been very popular in those revolting circles.”

    I’m sure Greenwald is familiar with anti-Semitic tropes as he has retailed enough of them himself. But what is his point?

    What Greenwald wants is, it seems, for people to just shut-up! Don’t talk about the Koran or the fact that jihadists are basing their most heinous actions, from beheadings to child rape to sex-slavery, on Islamic scriptures and the life of the Prophet. Don’t be curious where these ideas come from or the fact that they have a continuous history in Islam from the very beginning.

    Or consider the view that blasphemers should be killed. A majority of Muslims in say, Pakistan and Egypt, (over 160 million) people believe in the death penalty for blasphemers. Even in moderate modern Malaysia a majority believe that. Even in the UK the last figure I saw is just under 30%. This is no “tiny minority”. Worse still, where did these murderous fuckwits get their murderous ideas?

    According to Greenwald the answer is: just shut-up you fucking bigot! The reason is false equivalence – as though there is anything even vaguely equivalent in any other religious population. So Glenn, you prattling ignoramus, show me a couple of hundred million followers of some other religion who believe blasphemers should be killed. Or even show me one of the major schools of Islam, Sunni or Shia, that states that such a belief is wrong, in all times and places.

    I’ve had to search far and wide to find a major Muslim advocacy group that is not influenced or controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood or similar hard-line types. I have had a look around, and there is not much out there. The Quilliam Foundation is good and this chap is very influential and also interesting to read if you are into Islamic theology. He is much loathed by hard-liners.

    The fuckwit who needs to shut-up is Greenwald. At least until he can construct a logical argument.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2015 3:47 pm

    So the CFMEU shreds it’s files to avoid legal scrutiny. Of course that’s absolutely reasonable and is no indication that they’ve done anything untoward.

    No.

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2015 4:29 pm

    “Of course that’s absolutely reasonable” … in Unionland! where that is the appropriate way to deal with any attempts to deal with Union corruption.

    Those that were involved or who had knowledge should be jailed for conspiracy and contempt. At least then part of the O’Connor crime family might be locked up.

  51. September 22, 2015 4:46 pm

    KieraGorden”””Poor Mark Simkin – left his cushy job at the ABC to become an Abbott staffer, & now look at him”””

    #fcuk simkin, he was stupid enough to leave my abc, the 2nd `most-trusted` organization in the nation, to go grovel at the feet of the nations `most-distrusted` imbecile, more fool him, Let`s hope credlin is making his life miserable right now:-)

    +++

    feminista outrage.? #guffaw

  52. September 22, 2015 5:24 pm

    TB”””he(#blib) certainly knows his stuff and from what we`ve seen can certainly make things happen .. and he seems to have a grasp on the wider society issue than Turnbull”””

    #yeah, l tend to agree with that teebz, the main two obstacles blib has is 1.the`knifings` and 2.his`beazley`likeness, did you notice qandaland was on the `road` last night, and there wasn`t much of `applause/cheering` etc by the teabumpkin audience for blib, no blib didn`t get `booed` excessively either, blib just oozed `blandness` and `tranquilized` the audience.

    TB”””shallow, preening and wandering .. thanks in some degree to Ms Sales and her teenage interviewing technique”””

    #yes, the swooning had begun, tho l thought talkbull did give reasonable answers considering the short amount of time he has had the job, `preening and shallow`, that`s standard talkbull

    TB”””Turnbull will bore the shit out of us”””’

    #blib will strongly `contest` here:-)

  53. September 22, 2015 5:38 pm

    tweeters reply

    +

  54. September 22, 2015 5:51 pm

    oh kneel, my dear rusted-on half-wit, mr-rabbit has only one `achievement`

    ANY IMBECILE CAN BE PRIME MEDDLER and mr-rabbit proved it

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:07 pm

    Speaking of meddlers … BREAKING NEWS …

    After watching Lateline last night I doubt Brough will be getting an apology …

    NEW Special Minister of State Mal Brough isn’t free and clear of alleged involvement in the disclosure of the diaries of former Speaker Peter Slipper.

    “THE AFP can confirm that it received a referral regarding the alleged unauthorised disclosure of Mr Slipper’s diaries on September 8, 2014 and is investigating this matter. This investigation remains ongoing,” a spokesman for the Australian Federal Police said.

    NEW Special Minister of State Mal Brough isn’t free and clear of alleged involvement in the disclosure of the diaries of former Speaker Peter Slipper.

    “THE AFP can confirm that it received a referral regarding the alleged unauthorised disclosure of Mr Slipper’s diaries on September 8, 2014 and is investigating this matter. This investigation remains ongoing,” a spokesman for the Australian Federal Police said.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:15 pm

    Go Michaelia Cash! Tell it like it is, Sista!

  57. September 22, 2015 6:28 pm

    ha ha, l saw that on latelineland too teebz, mal got a little unhinged over some of the questions emma asked him and started bleating when `ashby` was raised, l`m glad afp-plod aren`t laying down .. yet

  58. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:46 pm

    So the CFMEU shreds it’s files to avoid legal scrutiny.

    Another story created from the witch hunt to create damaging headlines, but are in fact about nothing. Again.

    I noted that the witness was not allowed to be cross examined by the Unions today, so the accusations are able to sit there and fester. Another example of the political nature of the witch hunt. But then, reality cuts in with another witness (apparently, I’m not following it closely anymore, just the tweets)

    This line from the story perked my interest though

    Destruction of evidence required by a federal judicial proceeding carries a jail term of up to five years.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-22/royal-commission-trade-union-cfmeu-tried-to-cover-up-destroying/6793796

    but, but, didn’t the high court judge say he wasn’t a judge cos it wasn’t a judicial hearing?

    Seems to be, sometimes it is, sometimes it aint. Depends on how they want to ‘prosecute’ their case

    I also note the article didn’t mention the evidence in the tweets above, you know, that no evidence was destroyed.

    But, that would make the story …………… meaningless, wouldn’t it 😉

  59. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:52 pm

    September 8, 2014

    What’s the fucken date now?

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:55 pm

    This investigation remains ongoing,” a spokesman for the Australian Federal Police said…

    Is that the Graeme Perrett referral? Investigating since sept 8 2014. Are they on a go slow strike or something? Would they also be getting instruction from the AG Brandis? They’ll be investigating until the libs lose office or they think we’ve forgotten about it and then quietly drop the whole thing. What’s that phrase they use? “not in the public interest to pursue it”

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:58 pm

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2015 6:59 pm

    Looks like we are in trouble. Now all we need is debt to double again and see what trouble it causes us. It should be noted that in 2007 debt was not zero but less than zero

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 7:06 pm

    Liberal leadership spill coup sparks News Corp ‘civil war’
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/news-corp-civil-war-as-bolt-attacks-mitchell-20150922-gjsczb.html#ixzz3mSMDo8po

    …”We worried that Malcolm Turnbull by deposing Tony Abbott would set off a civil war within the Liberal Party but what he’s done is set off a civil war within News Corp. Oh, what a joke” – Andrew Bolt

    In a personal attack during his regular 2GB radio show with Steve Price, Mr Bolt said The Australian’s editor-in-chief Chris Mitchell had acted unprofessionally by pursuing “personal vendettas” against him.
    The Australian’s editor-in-chief Chris Mitchell.
    The Australian’s editor-in-chief Chris Mitchell. Photo: Edwina Pickles
    “He called it off a couple of days before [News Corp chairman] Rupert Murdoch came to town [in August]. Now that Rupert Murdoch is away, back in America, it seems to be on again,” Mr Bolt told Mr Price on Monday night.

    “And, I just say this is unprofessional behaviour, it really is. And I suspect that people in News Corp must have a look at whether this is worth doing.
    “Maybe I’m wrong to continue it, to hit back. But, I’ve only ever hit back. I haven’t initiated it. I have my reputation to defend, that’s all I have.”…

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 7:22 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull’s Ashbygate albatross: Special Minister Mal Brough lies again:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/malcolm-turnbulls-ashbygate-albatross-new-minister-mal-brough-lies–again,8185

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 7:22 pm

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 7:33 pm

    How awkward for the AFP, mal basically declaring himself innocent and cleared while the AFP was still sitting on the go-nowhere ‘ongoing investigation’, showing them up for being partisan political players.

    What to do?

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 8:03 pm

    When Brough met Pilger and other Brough tales:

    MAL BROUGH CRASHES THROUGH
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/september/1377957600/nick-bryant/mal-brough-crashes-through

  68. September 22, 2015 8:11 pm

    oh armchair, l`ve been telling `our` teabags for quite a while now that limited-news `lunacy` only has a very small (but-dedicated) herd of imbeciles as their `audience`, it seems they finally caught-on over at my abc and have `infected` all the `lefties` at fairfax:-)

    my abc””’Shortly afterwards Turnbull told the media—as Morrison has now done—that he would not be bullied by shockjocks.

    And by then he’d already taken aim at Andrew Bolt for accusing him of plotting against the PM, calling him ‘deranged’ and ‘bordering on the demented’

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: And I just have to say to Mr Bolt, he proclaims loudly that he is a friend of the Government. Well, with friends like Bolt we don’t need any enemies. Thank you.

    — Press Conference, 2nd June, 2014

    So now Malcolm’s in power, will he bother to woo them?

    And does he need to?

    Not according to Jones’s biographer, Chris Masters, who told Media Watch:

    Turnbull doesn`t need to do anything to reach out to Jones or Bolt and that is what has them so worried.

    , Chris Masters, 17th September, 2015

    Top political lobbyist Sue Cato takes a similar view, asking:

    Who are the Liberal conservative voters going to vote for if they hate Turnbull?

    , Sue Cato, Cato Counsel, 17th September, 2015

    And suggesting that Bolt, Jones, and others are also victims of regime change:

    It does seem that we’ve got a much more moderate electorate than some of the conservative commentators think.

    , Sue Cato, Cato Counsel, 17th September, 2015

    Veteran ALP strategist Bruce Hawker, who was at Kevin Rudd’s side through a couple of coups, echoes those views, telling Media Watch:

    Leaking is probably more of a concern than what Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt might say.

    , Bruce Hawker, 17th September, 2015

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4316961.htm

  69. September 22, 2015 8:30 pm

    smh”””Andrew Bolt says The Australian is being subsidised by the tabloids he writes for.””’

    #pure unhingement, as a last resort blot starts agreeing with me, finally sinking in the hun and terror make the cash, while teh-oz bonfires cash, blots melt-down can only add to my glee

  70. September 22, 2015 8:46 pm

    smh”””Mr Bolt told Mr Price on air: “Probably, if you got an honest figure out, [Mr Mitchell is] spending $20 million a year more on his paper than it actually earns. For that kind of subsidy from the rest of the empire which he disparages, he might actually have a more popular product.”””

    +

    smh”””Anyone’s entitled to get into the fray but I just think it’s so stupid slinging mud at rival publications that actually finance your own.”””

    +

    #gotta watch-out for those `shareholder-subsidized` competitors, they may draw the attention away from those `taxpayer-funded` competitors and then the wheels will really fall off

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2015 9:42 pm

    The most powerful woman in australia [before last week’s coup]

  72. September 23, 2015 1:08 am

    Read an amusing comment elsewhere, wondering if Bolt was invited to Abbott’s BungaBunga Party at Kirribilli House?

    Witness the self flagellation of Bolt…astounded that he couldn’t save his poster boy, as he combats those who’ve got back on message quicker; and the conservatardosphere eats its own.

    All the more enjoyable when one remembers the (on the record) statements of all involved when the ALP was indulging in a bit o political seppuku.

    Arsehats.

  73. September 23, 2015 1:12 am

    I feel like The Intercept may well touch on a few raw nerves of yours, splatter.

    The young boy who Obama invited to The Shite House was probably a terrorist too…I’ve read the amusing nutjoob confections, rationalising his arrest & condemning Barrack Hussein for his ‘response’.

    Ain’t no good mooooooslem, but a ???? mooooooslem?

  74. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:25 am

    would set off a civil war within the Liberal Party but what he’s done is set off a civil war within News Corp.

    Wow armchair, it’s almost as if they are one and the same, isn’t it 😉

    mal basically declaring himself innocent …… What to do?

    My bet, they’ll ignore it ….. again.

    when the ALP was indulging in a bit o political seppuku.

    yep, in that case, the war went on within the Party, cheered on and encouraged by newscorpse.

    This time, not only the Party, but newscorpse itself are carving themselves up.

    Yea, nothing wrong with a media outlet being a political parties megaphone, is there

    hahahahhahahahhaha

    rationalising his arrest

    It just makes me gladder that yabot is now but a stain on our history.

    ‘Good to see you, Tony’

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/good-to-see-you-tony-bill-shorten-finds-his-zinger-20150922-gjsdtm.html

    And lolz, now credlin plays the “gender card”

    “You will want to have women like me in politics. You will want to have women like me sitting in power,” she said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/they-dont-deserve-their-jobs-credlin-lashes-out-at-gutless-critics-20150922-gjsorg.html?stb=twt#ixzz3mV7LMVwh
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  75. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:42 am

    Seems my reply to yomms crap is stuck in moderation still. My Bad for too many tweets 😦

    Basically, it just further confirms that turc is nothing but clickbait, politically designed to give rwdb’s something to swing blindly about with, without really a clue of what it is they are swinging.

    Fertile ground for the likes of yomm 😉

  76. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:56 am
  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2015 8:59 am

    I have to defend the gender.

    And lolz, now credlin plays the “gender card”

    I’m not so sure of that tomR, she, more than anyone, has reason to decry the double standard in politics. What we accept as strong leadership and management, being ‘across the brief’ by men is seen as unacceptable bossiness and control in women.
    I think she was being honest about the public perceptions of her and the political system that she works in where men were attacking her for doing her job.
    Granted, protecting abbott from himself and the nutjobs in his party must have taken considerable management skill, she needed to run tight control!

    “You will want to have women like me in politics. You will want to have women like me sitting in power,” she said.

    We will, we do, and one day they will be the norm and men won’t be so threatened and frightened by women in power.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2015 9:15 am

    I quite liked how Mitchell from the Oz had a subtle dig at Bolt’s readership, saying how they are conservative retirees who are poor and ignorant while the oz attracted the rich, educated professionals who would never read Bolt.

    hehe, even though the poor and less educated Boltians cross subsidise the elitist [financial loser] Oz

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2015 9:44 am

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 23, 2015 9:45 am

    Well the word out now is that since we now have a Labor govt back in power under Turnbull, the people smugglers may test the behaviour of the new labor govt by sending a wave of boats.

    Difficult problem to deal with since it tuggs at the heart.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 9:55 am

    Wyatt Roy did quite well telling me stuff I already knew … but then he had to go a tell fibs about the NBN … I mean he was being interviewed about INNOVATION and TECHNOLOGY …

    Wonder whose coaching Wonder Boy … Batman Brough?

    And I think you’ve seen from the Coalition Government and particularly under Malcolm Turnbull speeding up that roll-out so that we’re not waiting, as we were going to under the previous government, until 2024.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4317804.htm

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 10:03 am

    “The Intercept may well touch on a few raw nerves of yours, splatter.”

    Mainly the one that makes me intolerant of stupidity.

    It seems to me that the kid got what exactly he (and his activist father) were looking for. As an added bonus Obama’s victim pimping proclivities have produced yet another premature ejaculation.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 10:08 am

    civil war’ in News Corp Aust”

    But …. but … but ….. they both parrot Rupert. How can this be? Sounds like a cunning plot to explode lefty conspiracy nutters.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 10:30 am

    “You will want to have women like me in politics. You will want to have women like me sitting in power,” she said.

    How incredlinly arrogant!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 10:33 am

    Andrew Bolt, Miranda Devine and Rita Panahi talk in a language no one understands anymore.

    I never did understand it … is Vitriol a language?

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 10:37 am

    We will, we do, and one day they will be the norm and men won’t be so threatened and frightened by women in power.

    Actually, KL, I wouldn’t want anyone like Credlin in power no matter gender … and in fact I don’t think she has done the female cause much good …

    If I had to describe Peta Credlin in one word it would be — nasty …

  87. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 11:07 am

    Why do the ‘journalists’ who write these Union hit pieces for theirabc not actually listen to the testimony of witnesses, or, more to the point, why do they only listen to the testimony of some witnessess?

    I needed to make space in my office and the decision was made to shred our telephone bills.

    telphone bills? So, the records would still be available fro the telephone company, if required

    I did also shred some invoices that I issue that we
    have on a database that can be reproduced at any time.

    So, the stories are happy to run with “they shredded documents”, but didn’t bother to wait around to find out WHAT documents, just goes on council accusings word that it is nefarious, when, in fact, it was simply making room for the tonnes of docuiments the witch hunt was forcing Union workers to finance the printing of.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/22-September-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    So, not only a witch hunt, but clickbait for our national broadcaster, who are happy to simply repeat council accusings statements, but too fucken lazy to hear the reply.

  88. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 11:08 am

    I think she was being honest about the public perceptions of her and the political system that she works in where men were attacking her for doing her job.

    So, it’s OK for her to highlight this, but, when Gillard does, it’s “playing the Gender Card”

    My mention earlier probably should have had a little [sarc] with it for clarity 😉

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:13 pm

    Yeah!!

    The CFMEU shredded 7 tons of phone bills when some documents were subpoenaed!

    The CFMEU official had a truck load of phone bills stored in his office.

    Of course, That sounds like a really, really good excuse and the timing was entirely a coincide!

    The CFMEU are nice and it’s a pity those bad guys are out to get them.

  90. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:19 pm

    Exactly right, ToM. Everyone knows the CFMEU and their bikie business partners are beyond reproach. The fate of freedom in this country hangs in the balance and will be lost forever if investigations into union corruption are allowed to continue!

  91. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:23 pm

    The CFMEU shredded 7 tons of phone bills when some documents were subpoenaed!

    Phone bills that, if required, would be available from Telstra. Along with the other documents Cherie highlighted.

    nd the timing was entirely a coincide!

    I put the link up, if you want to make a fooll of yourself, continue to comment without reading it.

    Cherie said they did it BECAUSE they had been subpoenaed. Clear out the crap they don’t need, make room, and if they need them, they just print from computer, rather than photocopy (which takes longer)

    dyson couldn’t even get one lot of emails to the Unions lawyers, after two shots at it.

    The Union was ordered for mountains of documents. Is there any indication that anything is missing? Yet the CFMEU are being misrepresented in the papers for FULLY complying with the turcs ridiculous demands.

    Demands the turc themselves could not comply with on a small scale.

    And out muppet media continue to run the turcs stupid allegations, without thought for the other side of the argument, which completely discredits the attacks.

  92. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:25 pm

    their bikie business partners

    Got a link

    Cos I do 😉

  93. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:28 pm

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:38 pm

    Yeah!! Clear out the crap!

    A tip truck full of phone bills, and some old EBAs AND THAT’S ALL!!

    Because phone bills are really heavy.

  95. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 12:46 pm

    Because phone bills are really heavy.

    Like I said dopey, read the transcript before looking dopier

    we were receiving a 500-page telephone bill every month

    And that was before the amalgamation with the BF, Whereafter, it doubled.

    And that was just one example she used of what was being shredded to clear out room for the turc demands

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:29 pm

    I see, they get a 500 page phone bill!! Heavens, how on earth did they cope!!?

    So they get sometime this size this –

    And need a tip truck to remove them!!

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:30 pm

    This size

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:34 pm

    ….and of course if they got an average of 750 pages of phone bills a month, it would take about 45 years of phone bills to get to 7 tons.

  99. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:34 pm

    I see, they get a 500 page phone bill!

    Among many other documents, as the transcript showed.

  100. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:41 pm

    You’re quote hooked up on phone records, aren’t you yomm. Like, that is the ONLY paper document in an office (shared or otherwise)

    turc, pure clickbait.

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:42 pm

    Spin, spin, spin little CFMEU troll.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:46 pm

    Yeah!

    Just to get it visual, this what ONE SEVENTH of the paper disposed of by the CFMEU looks like –

  103. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:54 pm

    Spin, spin, spin

    You mean like, presenting cleaning out an office like it’s a criminal act?

    Meanwhile, mister “My Award is 2 feet thick” is still hung up on paper weights. Yes, lot’s of paper. Lot’s of Union members 😉

    I heard today they got in trouble for not recycling ROFL Scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

  104. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 1:58 pm

    Perhaps sb is able to explain how me quoting a secretary being grilled under oath by an inquisitor is “spin”

    This should be good 🙂

  105. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:05 pm

    hockey and morrison

    dumb and dumber

  106. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:09 pm

    This should make yomm feel better 😉

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:19 pm

    … and some old EBAs AND THAT’S ALL!!

    And if your were the union “expert” you claim to be you would know that EBA’s are publicised … and anyone has access …

    Your life seems to be one big “I suppose” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just watched Morriscum and The Cormorant on telly … WTF has really changed?

    Although it seems the Treasurer’s portfolio has now become an “operational matter”, Morriscum saying he won’t be discussing the economy because economists and other would do that … duh!

    Back to the drawing board methinks …

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:24 pm

    “…So, it’s OK for her to highlight this, but, when Gillard does, it’s “playing the Gender Card”…”

    I never said that gillard “played” the gender card, she had legitimate complaints re sexism and so might credlin. After all, it’s coming from the same blokes in the libs.

    “…Actually, KL, I wouldn’t want anyone like Credlin in power no matter gender …”

    You have had all along TB, do you really think the males in power are shrinking violets? Not ruthless?
    It’s just that no one attacks and undermines them because of their gender. Apparently it’s expected of males but females aren’t allowed to be like that, they have to conform to other people’s expectations of submissive female behaviour.

  109. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:32 pm

    I never said that gillard “played” the gender card

    No, Credlin (well, her office) did.

    Which is why her now coming out all feminista is so fos

    She had her opportunity, but she helped take down Gillard by attacking her gender, specifically.

    Now wants to be the martyr.

    Fucken hypocrite!

    She can fuck off to the ocean with yabot, and don’t get tangled in any chaff bags while yer out there.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:32 pm

    “…Although it seems the Treasurer’s portfolio has now become an “operational matter”,…”

    If you go back through the threads you will see that I predicted exactly that!
    Ironic huh?

  111. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:36 pm

    lol, the secretaries keep coming in and wrecking the turcs morning allegations (our media seem to ignore the secretaries though, concentrating on hte allegations, ignoring hte explanations)

    “Q Did you see anyone shredding documents

    A (perkily) YEP” 🙂

    Hilarious

    “Wouldn’t bring me kids in if we wanted to keep it quiet, they tell the world everything”

    oh, out of the mouths of babes.

    http://commcast.com.au/turc/

  112. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:38 pm

    Ironic huh?

    Prescient 😉

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 2:50 pm

    “CFMEU documents plus dirt “

    I bet those documents are full of dirt! That is why they turfed them!

    Perhaps sb is able to explain how me quoting … the CFMEU talking points (no matter how ludicrous) makes you look like a contortionist.

    It is not a little pathetic to see someone such as Tom R use their considerable intellect to make a case for a bunch of crooks. Are you sure you are not a lawyer?

  114. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:02 pm

    the CFMEU talking points

    Well, I guess, in a way, they are CFMEU talking points, in such that it is a CFMEU employee talking (under oath) about a fairly routine operation that has become a front page story.

    And not because turc is a witch hunt or anything 😉

    Meanwhile, dumb and dumber continue to trash our economy, but look A SHREDDER

    I understand yabots office shredded documents as they left. CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR!!!! (by turc standards)

    And, I did note how you were not able to explain how me quoting a secretary being grilled under oath by an inquisitor is “spin” 😉

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:09 pm

    You have had all along TB, do you really think the males in power are shrinking violets? Not ruthless?

    Of course not, KL … its just that I’ve tackled the type all my working life … male and female … one of my grandmothers was a formidable business woman … but hard as nails … never liked her … the other was a strong woman but could be compassionate …

    … its not always gender …

    I once knocked back a $17,000 contract because of the 25 something woman who was ruthlessly trying to climb the corporate ladder by dictating what management training supervisors should have – despite a detailed and in depth survey and numerous competency assessments carried out internally, that said otherwise and being told by the supervisors in a group meeting what they wanted … her aggressive behaviour was appalling and I refused to work with her … I would have done the same with anyone …

    When her (female) boss rang me to ask why I had rescinded the contract (I’d been “highly recommended” by their – extremely large – parent company) … I told her and said I would have difficulty working with her assistant … she said yes she is a bit like that … I heard nothing more … but that was a moment in my career that finally I knew I didn’t need to compromise my values for the mighty $$$ …

    Not all female managers are shrinking violets either …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ironic huh?

    Chuckle … well, KL … yes and no … 🙂

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:23 pm

    Mindlessly and uncritically quoting CFMEU statements, arguments, evidence, tweets and whatever other material you have to hand is spin, Tom R.

    Most of us weigh up arguments from both sides and try to work out who is likely bullshitting etc. You can recognise this approach because it often results in praise or criticism of both sides from time to time.

    You, on the other hand, are utterly relentless in your advocacy for the ALP, the CFMEU and Unionland in general. The game you play is not getting at the truth so much as the intellectual challenge of being the best sophist you can be in the service of Unionland criminality.

    If not a lawyer you might be an advertising executive – one of those fuckers who makes grating ads specifically designed to annoy the hell of people. Everyone knows your arguments are just repackaged talking points. Or maybe you are a chronic masturbator jerking off all day everyday to the relentless drumbeat of the CFMEU twitter feed.

    (Fuck I hate myself for even arguing with such an insincere troll!)

  117. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:35 pm

    Mindlessly and uncritically quoting CFMEU statements, arguments, evidence, tweets and whatever other material you have to hand is spin

    Yes, I did, “Mindlessly “(?)Well, there was some thought, as it shot down the stories of criminals shredding implicating documents by proffering the fact they were doing a clean up (which they do every year we found out today)

    So, story, dead in the water IF the journos had bothered to listen

    Which brings me to this

    Most of us weigh up arguments from both sides

    That is demonstrably untrue, as those stories assiduously missed those testimonies (I see a few are getting them in today). I saw, and heard both sides. And the secretaries side showed that the council accusings side was full of shit!

    You, on the other hand, are utterly relentless in your advocacy for the ALP

    That may or may not be, I asked you to show how a person testimony under oath can be “spin”

    Or maybe you are a chronic masturbator jerking off all day

    Hi snacty, getting off with dutton watching those Islands going under? 😉

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:36 pm

    TR, just watched the TURC link (three witnesses) … check out Michelle Clare … Industrial Officer … she was intercepted at Brisbane International Airport by THREE AFP officers after returning from Paris via Abu Dhabi …

    Its a wonder these buggers don’t all wear armbands … leather coats … and jackboots!

    So the “new” government” is so much better with Milkum Turncoat in the Chancellery …

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:43 pm

    Most of us weigh up arguments from both sides and try to work out who is likely bullshitting etc. You can recognise this approach because it often results in praise or criticism of both sides from time to time.

    I’m inclined to agree with that … but I’ve just watched 15 minutes of questioning … that was nothing more than hoping for a morsel to choke on … its really painful to watch a multi-million dollar Royal Command political circus … when we have a government SPENDING PROBLEM …

    Nothing is new …

    Bloody pathetic … as for the undertaker in the top right hand corner … these are office workers FFS … not criminals …

    Where were you, what were you doing and who were you with on the 12th of May 2014 …

    I wouldn’t have a clue! Would you?

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:53 pm

    Tom R, here is Ravbar and behind him what looks like the flags he used to cover the security cameras. Why would he bother doing that again?

  121. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:01 pm

    she was intercepted at Brisbane International Airport by THREE AFP officers

    There have been some harrowing stories from those working there (especially the secretaries) of the fear they have from the AFP.

    Stand over tactics, and yet the Unions are the ones portrayed as bovver boys.

    Three days of going over the entrails of the CFMEU clearing out their offices

    Which they do every year
    Which needed doing because of merger with BLF(?)
    Which needed doing to make room for incoming requests from turc.

    Three very good reasons, and explains the size.
    And I note that nobody from turc has been able to highlight any missing docs?
    It’s a joke.

    And, meanwhile, dumb and dumber just get dumber.

  122. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:06 pm

    Why would he bother doing that again?

    As the secretary said today, if they wanted to keep it secret squirrel, she wouldn’t have brought her kids in to shred documents.

    They tell the world lol

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:09 pm

    “Which they do every year”

    So it’s 7 tonnes a year now, is it?

    And coincidentally just when the subpoena was due. And they covered up the security cameras. For good reason no doubt.

    “And, meanwhile, dumb and dumber just get dumber.”

    Dumberer is the person who believes a word of CFMEU spin.

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:14 pm

    “As the secretary said today, if they wanted to keep it secret squirrel, she wouldn’t have brought her kids in to shred documents.”

    Well, that is the most compelling proof I have ever heard. Or not.

    Why did the fuckers cover up the security cameras???????

    This is on a level with your mindless gutless defence of Thomson. Truly you are a loyal servant of Unionland corruption.

  125. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:19 pm

    So it’s 7 tonnes a year now, is it?

    yer not following too closely are ya bum

    amalgamation, request from turc, all come into play, which is why so big

    And coincidentally just when the subpoena was due

    see above (and above (and above))

    readin’ aint yer thing is it

    Dumberer is the person who believes a word of turc spin. Any possibility that someone, anyone,m can point to where the CFMEU haven’t complied completely with the turcs request to hand over documents? Anyone???

    I mean, even the turcs own commish couldn’t work out how to produce one friggin email chain, even on his his third attempt, yet the CFMEU have been ordered to hand over mountains of doco, and no-one can point to where they haven’t complied.

    It shouldn’t be hard, especially if they are allegedly shredding tonnes of ‘incriminating’ documents.

    So come on, stump up the missing docos? Where’s their hole in the chain?

    Or is it because everything required was provided, and the rest of the docos that have no interest in this turc were SHREDDED!

    As is done regularly, by EVERY person with doco.

  126. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:22 pm

    Why did the fuckers cover up the security cameras??

    Who knows, and who cares. Maybe they were just playing silly buggers. Maybe Hanna wanted to get this into turc for his own purposes. But It is irrelevant to the case, as I pointed to above.

    If the CFMEU haven’t complied with the request, there would be a question mark. There would be missing documents

    But they HAVE complied, until someone comes up with evidence they haven’t complied, it’s just clickbait.

  127. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:24 pm

    Hanna seems to be of the jackson mould, and most of the ‘dirt’ has come from his mouth, everyone elses testimonies differ (in fact, his own has differed)

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:27 pm

    Nothing’s new … I see …

    NEWLY minted Treasurer Scott Morrison has flagged the prospect of future tax cuts, saying he wants to reward people who work hard.

    Mr Morrison says the Turnbull Government would take a different approach to kickstarting the economy, rather than simply “stopping” things like the carbon and mining taxes.

    “As a principle of people keeping more of their own money … yes I believe you can,” he told The Daily Telegraph on Wednesday.

    Mr Morrison vowed to return Australia to the era of personal and family income tax cuts, telling the Telegraph that reward for effort had all but vanished from the country.

    Assistant Innovation Minister Wyatt Roy says it’s important Australia is a low-taxing economy to lure entrepreneurs from all over the world.

    “We are not going to have the jobs we need if we tax ourselves out of prosperity,” he told the Nine Network.

  129. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:28 pm

    would take a different approach,

    I think his interpretation of “different” differs from mine 😉

  130. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:35 pm

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:36 pm

    “As is done regularly, by EVERY person with doco.”

    At the very time the subpoena is due. Everyone does that, no?

  132. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:39 pm

    … check out Michelle Clare …

    Unfortunately, my feed dropped out, and I got sick of (trying) to reconnect.

    Copper works good but 🙂

  133. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:41 pm

    At the very time the subpoena is due.

    Read back up dopey, that was this mornings bullshit covered

    turc is nothing but an ongoing drip feed of rubbish smears

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 23, 2015 4:50 pm

    Mr Morrison vowed to return Australia to the era of personal and family income tax cuts, telling the Telegraph that reward for effort had all but vanished from the country.

    Very dangerous to copy Costello because he knew what he was doing. He produced 9 surplus budgets out of 11. That will never be repeated.

    And that was the big mistake of Swan/Labor. Because Costello made it look easy Swan thought producing surplus budgets would be easy. Hockey most probably thought the same.

  135. September 23, 2015 4:54 pm

    u9bneif5

    2319 .. when folks join `teams` they nearly alway end up mindlessly cheering for their team .. and from time to time there comes an exposure which then displays for the world .. the `unworthiness` of those teams .. the following post is one of those `multi-team-arse,fcukers` .. so think warm thought and enjoy .. team corporate-fluffer, team onion-panic, team rephoenix-auto-from-the-ashes, and team trickle-down-reaganomics.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-22/vw-admits-11-million-cars-have-pollution-test-cheating-device/6796740

    my abc”””Volkswagen admits 11 million diesel cars worldwide have pollution test cheating ‘defeat device’ Updated Wed 23 Sep 2015, 5:04 AM AEST

    Volkswagen shares plunged nearly 20 per cent after the carmaker admitted it had rigged emissions tests.

    German auto giant Volkswagen has revealed that 11 million diesel cars worldwide are equipped with devices that can cheat pollution tests, a dramatic expansion of a scandal that immediately sent its shares plummeting by another 20 per cent.

    Authorities from France to South Korea to the United States announced investigations and threatened legal action, prompting Volkswagen to announce that it was setting aside 6.5 billion euros ($10.2 billion) in provisions for the third quarter to cover the potential costs of the scandal.

    VW shares, which dived 17 per cent on Monday, plunged by another 23 per cent to a low of 101.30 euros during trade on the Frankfurt stock exchange as the automaker’s new revelations, including a warning that it will have to lower its profit outlook, sent investors fleeing.

    “Further internal investigations have shown that the software concerned is also installed in other diesel vehicles,” VW said in a statement.

    “Anomalies have shown up in around 11 million cars worldwide that are equipped with a specific engine type.”””””’

  136. September 23, 2015 4:57 pm

    my abc part 2”””'”In order to cover the necessary service and other measures to win back customer confidence, VW plans to set aside 6.5 billion euros in provisions in the third quarter. The group’s earnings targets for 2015 will be adjusted accordingly.”

    The spiralling scandal has led to France calling for a Europe-wide probe into the revelations, South Korea summoning Volkswagen officials, and the US Justice Department reportedly launching a criminal investigation.

    This is not a minor subject, it’s not about speed or the quality of leather. What we are dealing with is making sure people avoid being poisoned by pollution.

    French finance minister Michel Sapin

    The scandal went public on Friday when US regulators ordered Volkswagen, the world’s largest automaker by sales, to fix the defect and said they were launching a probe.

    The German firm halted all diesel vehicle sales in the United States during the US investigation, which could lead to fines of more than $US18 billion ($25 billion).

    The shockwave immediately hit stock markets, with VW shedding more than a quarter of their value — or more than 20 billion euros — since last week.

    Other automobile stocks were also dragged lower with Daimler shares down 7.03 per cent and BMW shedding 7.17 per cent on Tuesday. French finance minister calls for Europe-wide probe

    French finance minister Michel Sapin requested a Europe-wide probe, telling French radio that it seemed necessary to check cars manufactured by other European carmakers in order to reassure the public.

    “This is not a minor subject, it’s not about speed or the quality of leather,” he told Europe 1 radio station.

    “What we are dealing with is making sure people avoid being poisoned by pollution.”

    German chancellor Angela Merkel pressed Volkswagen to assure “full transparency” in the scandal.

    “In view of the difficult situation, it is now key to show full transparency [and] clear up the entire matter,” she said.

    The [German] transport minister is in close contact with the company, VW, and I hope the facts will come to light as soon as possible.”

    South Korean officials summoned VW representatives for explanations on Tuesday.

    “We will start conducting tests no later than next month,” a senior official at the environment ministry said.

    In addition to the environmental probe already under way, the US Department of Justice has launched a criminal investigation, US officials told the Bloomberg news agency.

    The Justice Department and Volkswagen declined to comment on the report.

  137. September 23, 2015 5:05 pm

    part.3 my abc”””According to the US authorities, VW has admitted that it had equipped about 482,000 cars in the United States with sophisticated software that covertly turns off pollution controls when the car is being driven and turns them on only when it detects that the vehicle is undergoing an emissions test.

    With the so-called `defeat device` deactivated, the car can spew pollutant gases into the air, including nitrogen oxide in amounts as much as 40 times higher than emissions standards, said the US Environmental Protection Agency, which announced the allegations on Friday along with California authorities.

    “Using a defeat device in cars to evade clean air standards is illegal, and a threat to public health,” said Cynthia Giles, enforcement officer at the EPA. VW faces crippling blow to reputation

    In Germany, the government has already launched an investigation into whether Volkswagen or other car makers are doing anything similar in Germany or Europe.

    The German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that the national supervisory authorities had alerted VW to discrepancies in the emissions data in May 2014 and some cars were even recalled.

    Transport minister Alexander Dobrindt said that he had asked Germany’s Federal Motor Transport Authority “to immediately have specific and extensive tests conducted on all Volkswagen diesel models by independent experts”.

    Beyond the potential fines and lawsuits, the company faces a potentially crippling blow to its reputation.

    So far the scandal has been restricted to Volkswagen.

    “We are talking with the Americans, with the environmental authorities and the automobile sector and we currently have no other information” about the possible involvement of other carmakers, Mr Dobrindt told a news briefing.

    But the EPA said that it would screen for defeat devices in other manufacturers’ diesel vehicles now on the road, though it declined to identify the automakers whose vehicles will be tested.

    Environment protection groups, particularly in Germany, suspect other car makers may be using similar technology.

    Industry experts said VW chief executive Martin Winterkorn’s job is on the line.

    German media reports have said the car maker’s supervisory board will meet on Wednesday and summon Mr Winterkorn. VW was not immediately available to confirm the information.””””””’

    +

    #my bet is this is the tip of the iceberg, other boardroom fraud will be exposed in future among more boardrooms, let the gargling begin.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 5:20 pm

    Read back up dopey

    What don’t you get? Notice to Produce served in April 2014. Documents destroyed on April 2014. Coincidence?

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 5:23 pm

    As to VW, civil disobedience of arbitrary and unfair laws is to be encouraged. Martin Winterkorn is a hero of the new civil rights struggle against immoral governments.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 5:25 pm

    of course it’s a coincidence.

    The CFMEU has nothing to gain by trying to conceal it’s actions

  141. September 23, 2015 5:39 pm

    smh”””Speaking at the Women of the Future Awards in Sydney on Tuesday night, former prime minister Tony Abbott’s chief-of-staff spoke candidly about the “bloody tough” time she had experienced as a senior woman in Australian politics over the past decade.”””

    #it funny to see the chief-of-misogyny to the prime-misogynist bleating the `gender-card` and associated clap-trap after all the misogyny tipped on joolya back in the day. lt is also `quaint` that she is a `speaker` at a womans `event`, in the same fashion mr-rabbit should be a `speaker` at a mens `event`, why pick pointless-duds to address the audience.

  142. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:13 pm

    Notice to Produce served in April 2014. Documents destroyed on April 2014. Coincidence?

    You two are making nil look decidedly brilliant, even thought he remains a fucken idiot.

    READ

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/09/21/exclusive-the-secret-deals-behind-turnbulls-new-front-bench/#comment-116007

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/09/21/exclusive-the-secret-deals-behind-turnbulls-new-front-bench/#comment-115970

    It was IN THE TRANSCRIPT (the part the media didn’t read). Nothing coincidental, it was in fact largely a direct response to the turcs unprecedented demands.

    You get a demand to supply a shitload of data, what’s your first step. You clean up, as you get things together.

    Somehow, turc has even managed to turn the CFMEU complying COMPLETELY with this unprecedented demand, and pretend they are somehow criminals over it.

    And yet, when their own commishes office fails twice to supply a simple email trail, they complain about how hard it is.

    Like I said way back up thread, read before you look dumberer.

    Oops. too late.

  143. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:23 pm

    Ya fucked up a bit there boo of teabag, with ya massive data dump

    They’re called links for a reason 😉

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:41 pm

    of course the CFMEU only wanted to comply. just like Dave Hanna says

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:51 pm

    As to VW, civil disobedience of arbitrary and unfair laws is to be encouraged. Martin Winterkorn is a hero of the new civil rights struggle against immoral governments.*

    sarc alert …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tony Abbott’s chief-of-staff spoke candidly about the “bloody tough” time she had …

    What’s really – “funny” – is that these politicians and staff members think that no-one else works bloody long hours, or hard, or away from family and friends, for many years … and for half the income they get for being absolutely unproductive and in many cases bloody-mindedly destructive …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You get a demand to supply a shitload of data, what’s your first step. You clean up, as you get things together.

    In fact there has been more than one occasion where massive amounts of hard copy has been provided to courts, judiciary and/or enquiries DELIBERATELY to make the job of finding stuff even harder and certainly more tedious …

    Disclaimer: I really don’t know if it was coincidental … however, having spent most of my career in management and training managers and supervisors, I’m a firm believer (thanks to my mentor) that nothing in business happens by coincidence … he also taught me to have evidence before I even attempted to reach a conclusion …

  146. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 6:58 pm

    of course the CFMEU only wanted to comply

    And they have.

    … he also taught me to have evidence before I even attempted to reach a conclusion …

    Could you pass that little piece of advice onto our journos? And a couple of our local rwdb’s

  147. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 7:01 pm

    Same shit, just in a shinier crapper.

  148. September 23, 2015 7:09 pm

    “#my bet is this is the tip of the iceberg, other boardroom fraud will be exposed in future among more boardrooms, let the gargling begin.”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that turns out to be the case…

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 23, 2015 7:11 pm

    What’s really – “funny” – is that these politicians and staff members think that no-one else works bloody long hours, or hard, or away from family and friends, for many years

    One big difference. Not as much backstabbing and personal abuse in the average workplace compared to politics. Plus everything you do is scrutinized by the press and voters.

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 7:12 pm

    “You get a demand to supply a shitload of data, what’s your first step. You clean up, as you get things together.”

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    You crack me up Tom R.

    By clean up you mean destroy all the dirt so you don’t have to hand it over.

    If the CFMEU says it you will spruik it – right to the bitter end. (Craig Thomson did NOT use union money to root whores, don’t you know.)

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2015 7:22 pm

    you will spruik it – right to the bitter end

    …and quite a way beyond the bitter end it seems.

  152. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2015 7:31 pm

    “…and quite a way beyond the bitter end it seems.”

    Indeed. When he finds himself in the 9th circle of hell Tom R will be alternately rimming Satan and interceding with him, arguing that Michael O’Connor is the perfect discipline enforcer in that section of hades.

  153. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2015 8:50 pm

    destroy all the dirt

    Revealing again your total ignorance of the evidence provided at turc that any paper document destroyed that might be requested, is backed up on database, or available elsewhere.

    And then I guess you two dopey idiots can provide the link that shows where the CFMEU have not fully complied with the turcs request? (unlike the turc themselves)

    Shouldn’t be hard for youse to come up with that, going on your rhetoric.

    Look forward to seeing it in the morning 😉

  154. September 23, 2015 11:55 pm

    boo-of.boltsville”””way beyond the bitter end”””

    `way beyond the bitter end` of his fetish live those unconvenient pieces of data most of us refer to as `facts`, which are always overlooked by you know who. Maybe from time to time the cmfu2 has used a paper-shredder, but they won`t come close to the number used by boardrooms to hide their misdeeds, l think `enron` holds the record for burning-out paper-shredders.

    Bleating generally, continually, ficticiously the cmfu2 is `corrupt` and onions are `criminal` at best can only be described as paddling in the `shallow-end` of the public-good swimming-pool, too scared to strap-on the floaties and query the deep-end of the pool, where you would find boardrooms of airlines killing passengers by the dozen to save `petrol` money, filling buildings with `deadly` material from asbestos-of-old to current flamable materials including electric cable, or cheating environment pollution controls with fraudulent emissions systems and wiping-out massive chunks of stock-holder wealth like volkswagon.

    #hint, you won`t find an onion anywhere near as deadly, damaging or expensive as a boardroom, but hey, keep on gargling.

  155. September 24, 2015 12:41 am

    hey teabags, l just saw trump on #colbert, trump not as silly on `national` broadcast(cbs), unlike repug-imbecile rallies, ya`might enjoy the video, if online

    #colbert now `hosts` lettermans `late-night` show

  156. September 24, 2015 12:42 am

    “When he finds himself in the 9th circle of hell ”

    No such place.

    Magic isn’t real.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2015 12:48 am

    …As to VW, civil disobedience of arbitrary and unfair laws is to be encouraged. Martin Winterkorn is a hero of the new civil rights struggle against immoral governments…

    A bit of a mental disconnect there. Civil disobedience is quite OK and to be encouraged for business defying government regulation, but the unions need to have the regulatory book thrown at them by these same governments.

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 8:18 am

    Apparently morriscum was a treat last night on 7.30. Seems the libs haven’t learnt anything, just dressed up their bullshit in a leather jacket

  159. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 8:37 am

    Seems yabot wanted a Royal Commission into anything he hated.

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott’s own department discussed setting up an investigation into the Bureau of Meteorology amid media claims it was exaggerating estimates of global warming, Freedom of Information documents have revealed.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/government-discussed-bom-investigation-over-climate-change/6799628

    What would the title of this have been, BOMRC into Global Warming Corruption?

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 8:56 am

    Wow, what a story about nothing

    ALP stands by Michael Ravbar despite claims in CFMEU Royal Commission

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/alp-stands-by-michael-ravbar-despite-claims-in-cfmeu-royal-commission/story-fnihsrf2-1227541137293

    Actually, when you read the story (one of the better ones to date) you can see how misleading the title is. It should have been “ALP stands by Michael Ravbar because of claims in CFMEU Royal Commission”

    Here’s a sampling

    Several office workers, including management supervisor Stacey Davidson, told the commission they saw nothing unusual about disposing of seven tonnes of old paperwork.
    ……….
    Ms Davidson said she objected to the term “document destruction” because it was merely an “office clean-up’’, which the commission was told went on until about 8pm and involved mostly senior staff.
    …………
    Accountant Paula Masters said she believed there was nothing unusual in the destruction except Mr Ravbar’s irritation at the messy office.

    She said a range of documents, including old telephone bills, were destroyed, which she considered routine.

    Of course, they have the obligatory accusations

    Ms McNaughton has suggested the document destruction was a “clandestine’ operation.

    Yea, because there were kids there who “tell the world everything” dopes.

    And this line, which is very misleading

    “The actual shredding was done by two primary school children, Ms Davidson said.”

    Actually, she said they did some of the shredding. You know, kids bored at an office will love that shit.

    I don’t think people understand that shredding machines are quite safe for any moron to operate these days, I mean, even yabots office managed to use them without losing limbs.

    But this is one of the better stories, as when you read it, you realise it really is a Seinfeld episode.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 9:20 am

    “When he finds himself in the 9th circle of hell ”

    No such place.

    Magic isn’t real.

    Where can I get the book?

    How many circles of hell are there? And what happens at each level?

    Aw fk … its a PC/Xbox game …

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 9:30 am

    But this is one of the better stories, as when you read it, you realise it really is a Seinfeld episode.

    And costs more to make … in these times of budget SPENDING PROBLEMS.

    And how much does it cost to fly a bombing sortie in a F/A 18 … and how much profit does the USA make on each bomb?

    And how much does:

    Negative gearing cost the budget; or

    Pollies Perqs – Post and Present

    Multinational Tax Avoidance

    Super Tax Breaks for The Rich

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 9:37 am

    “No such place.”

    Don’t be silly. We have been given glimpses of that outer darkness here on earth – listening to Oakeshott’s 17 minute decision speech, watching Summers interview Gillard at the Opera House; hearing any interview with Tony Abbott and realising he ran the country are all samples of the horrors of the 9th circle.

  164. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 9:44 am

    reading splatteredbums rants, we’re on the 10th level right there 😉

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 9:58 am

    Speaking of Ms Summers, here is her younger self – the epitome of self-absorbed head-tilting narcissism:

    What type of wanker is USyd trying to recruit with this?

  166. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 10:00 am

    Obviously not a splatteredbum type of wanker 😉

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 10:12 am

    Obviously not.

    BTW, I hear the Maiden are touring next April Tom R. Time to get the old T-shirt out and practice the head-banging.

  168. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 10:17 am

    Yep sb, they are on sale today. Midday the madness begins

    Grab em while you can 🙂

  169. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 10:19 am

    Maybe this one:

    Nope, I’ll be sticking with the old favourite 😉

    http://ironmaiden.globalmerchstores.com/index.php/shirts/killers-tshirt.html

  170. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 10:42 am

    Well, so far this morning at #turc, we have worked out that the commish isn’t the only one who can’t use emails

    Council accusing doesn’t understand why people are cc’ed in on letters. She reckons the fact they didn’t read a cc email show they are GUILTY

    Muppets.

  171. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 1:53 pm

    Seems like turc hasn’t seen the need to recall kathy jackson, but Shorten … they’re still leaving their options open

    Seems fair, right?

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 1:56 pm

    And when does Arfur Sinusitis get called again?

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 2:15 pm

    What garbage … particularly the last answer!

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4318562.htm

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 2:41 pm

    “Where can I get the book?”

    The Book is one of the classics of Western literature. You owe it to yourself to get acquainted with it.

    You might need to get some background to help read it. There is a lot of introductory stuff on line. I used this.

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 2:44 pm

    “Seems fair, right?”

    Indeed. Shorten hasn’t been hauled before the courts yet. His wrongdoing is not fully on the public record.

  176. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 2:49 pm

    Looks like the FIX is in

    NSW Liberal senator Arthur Sinodinos told the ABC”s Insiders program on Sunday that “Bill Shorten’s had one appearance (at the royal commission) and he’s about to have another”.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/bill-shorten-could-be-forced-to-front-union-royal-commission-again-20150924-gju0br#ixzz3md0bgIf6
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    As am I

    #UpTheIrons!

  177. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 2:55 pm

    His wrongdoing is not fully on the public record.

    Got a link? All they seemed to highlight last time was how better off the workers he represented were. So much so, that heydon The Biased had to cut him off lol

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:04 pm

    East Link was seen as highly contentious when the AWU did the deal. CFMEU, AMWU & ETU were all particularly unhappy with the loss of the rostering of RDO, the span of hours, shift work etc.

    It was seen as a grab for membership (revenue) at the time that the AWU was almost broke.

    The resulting turf war had a number of casualties for example –

    * The protective barriers that were to be erected on the Westgate Bridge after a father threw his 5 year old daughter off because a protracted project that was a battleground (over a public safety issue)
    * The new fruit & vegetable marker became the most expensive ever

    So Tom R – which union was right in the destructive turf wars – Shorten and his mates or the CFMEU?

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:10 pm

    “Got a link?”

    Of course not. His wrongdoing isn’t on the public record yet. Don’t you understand anything about conspiracy theories?

    Actually, the Libs have a new strategy – keep Shorten as leader of the ALP until the next election. So if Shorten does get recalled to TURC it will be proof positive of Unionland control of the RC. Wise heads in the ALP hope the dirt will force his resignation as that is the only way the ALP an remove that stinking albatross from their neck.

  180. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:11 pm

    wow yomm, you are now blaming the Unions for the death of girl

    Sink much lower can you?

  181. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:16 pm

    His wrongdoing isn’t on the public record yet.

    Well, that was two days of grilling we won’t get back lol

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:33 pm

    TB, the last para of ScoMo’s interview was slithering away from some specific questions. It did, however, contain this fairly accurate gem:

    “Bill Shorten’s plan is for them to jump in the bed and pull the doona over their head and try and find someone to blame.”

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:58 pm

    You might need to get some background to help read it. There is a lot of introductory stuff on line. I used this.

    Thanks for this phishing link, sb … good job I run Kaspersky et al …

    So much so, that heydon The Biased had to cut him off lol

    I’m thinking (hoping) the next encounter will be quite interesting … or will Hades* chicken out?

    “Bill Shorten’s plan is for them to jump in the bed and pull the doona over their head and try and find someone to blame.”

    Which I find rather hilarious considering every time a Liberal minister in particular or backbencher in general are asked a question about the economy its – “… not our fault blame the ALP …”

    Fancy trying to defend those outrageous facts and saying “… but that’s your take on it, Leigh” … its every fkn economist’s take on it and anyone with a little understanding of what constitutes a vital compared to a limp economy … its only taken two years … but christ they’ve wanked the economy with incompetence and BS …

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 3:59 pm

    sb, why read the book when you can play the game …

    http://www.ea.com/dantes-inferno

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2015 4:42 pm

    No, not blaming for the death, but erecting the barricades were recognised as the least the government could do in response to the dreadful tragedy.

    However the unions (particularly the CFMEU) put their coverage interests in front of getting the barricades up, and thus we had a bitter turf war.

    ***Value adding unions***

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2015 4:43 pm

    Which I find rather hilarious considering every time a Liberal minister in particular or backbencher in general are asked a question about the economy its – “… not our fault blame the ALP …

    What is wrong with that?

  187. September 24, 2015 4:44 pm

    Royal Commission – no plans to recall Shorten as a witness…

    #Justsayin

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/royal-commission-may-recall-shorten-to-give-more-evidence/6802610

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 4:47 pm

    “sb, why read the book when you can play the game …”

    I am way behind the times, TB.

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 4:50 pm

    “Royal Commission – no plans to recall Shorten as a witness…”

    So the Libs are calling the shots!

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2015 4:53 pm

    I’m not sure it was a phishing link, TB. It was to a company that sells lecture courses including one on The Divine Comedy. My work security system doesn’t pick it up as a scam.

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2015 5:53 pm

    From RWNJ’s who actually get to influence legislation in this country.

    Bob Katter’s ‘mates’
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/09/24/tips-and-rumours-1462/

    …PM for rich gays, according to Katter. While we’ve heard quite a bit from the Senate crossbenchers about the change of leadership in the government, very little has made it to the mainstream media from independent federal MP Bob Katter. And that’s probably a good thing. Katter attacked new PM Malcolm Turnbull’s proposals for innovation and liberalism in local newspaper the Herbert River Express last week:

    “My friends said innovation and liberalism are code for making homosexuality compulsory,” Katter told reporters.

    He also said that poor people didn’t have the luxury of innovation. “Malcolm couldn’t have sent out two worse messages — innovation and liberalism — that’s a luxury that a rich person can get away with, but the poor will punish the people in power.”…

    …‘Culinary Sharia’ and Bernard Gaynor. Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi has left the door open to leave the Liberal Party, as in yesterday’s weekly newsletter to his supporters he said that conservative voices shouldn’t leave politics:..

    …The Australian Crime Commission and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission appeared this morning, with former Senate candidate for Family First and secretary for Katter’s Australia Party Bernard Gaynor appearing this afternoon. Gaynor will address his 221-page submission, titled “Halal Certification: Behind the veil of culinary sharia”…

    …Gaynor writes that his submission shouldn’t be seen as anti-Islamic, because he’s against religious certification of any food, but he starts by saying the first Islamic terror strike on Australian soil was in 1915 and moves onto saying Man Haron Monis attacked the Lindt Cafe in Sydney because it wasn’t halal. We wish we could tell you more, but we couldn’t really bear to read much further…

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2015 6:15 pm

    I’m not sure it was a phishing link, TB

    Just going on the message from my security system, sb … and to let everyone … (including your good self) … to be wary …

  193. September 24, 2015 10:30 pm

    reportland””””LEIGH SALES: Let me ask you a question before we run out of time that I asked Tony Abbott in his final interview as Prime Minister. When Labor left office, unemployment was 5.8 per cent; it’s now 6.3 per cent. Growth was 2.5 per cent; it’s now two per cent. The Australian dollar was 92 cents; it’s now 70 US cents. The budget deficit was $30 billion when you took office; it’s now $48 billion. How do you .. what do you say to the Australian people who elected you to solve, in the words of the Government, a budget emergency and a crisis, and you’ve been elected and in fact Australia’s economic position has worsened?

    SCOTT MORRISON: Well I don’t agree it has, Leigh, but when you look at the rate of jobs growth..

    LEIGH SALES: I just cited all the numbers.

    SCOTT MORRISON: Well Leigh, that’s your take on what all that means.

    LEIGH SALES: No, it’s not. It’s just a recitation of the facts.””””

    #beam me up scotty, you`re off to a great start:-)

    #the teabags are left with nothing to say or do when the `data` and their own past rhetoric is quoted back at them, l also look forward to talkbull`s mutterings in the near future on the copper-class nbn:-)

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:13 am

    The budget deficit was $30 billion when you took office; it’s now $48 billion. How do you ..

    That comment was wrong by Sales. Swans last deficit was $48B. Of that $8B was the loan to the Reserve Bank so Swans last deficit was really $40B to be fair.

    Hockeys first budget deficit was $38B.

    So the budget deficit is similar to Labors and there has been a small rise in unemployment, Nothing like the huge increase under Rudd/Gillard

  195. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:17 am

    A very depressing piece on our country, highlighted at the end by the imperative that turnbull MUST fix the NBN

    The bottom line: Australia’s new prime minister must diversify the country’s export base and nourish the digital economy.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/australia-pays-the-price-for-depending-on-china

    Will he though? He has showed no signs of change as yet.

    I also noted the big(?) announcement yesterday of $100million into DV. Sounds good, and, it IS good this is being recognise.

    But, let’s also recognise that his grubmint took $300million out of DV in the last year alone. Put THAT into perspective, and let’s see if it is just s headline grabber, or a real change?

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:35 am

    He has showed no signs of change as yet.

    Same song, same choir, different BS solo artists …

    Greg Hunt was on Lateline last night … sit down comedy is never funny …

    Nothing is new, nothing changes …

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:43 am

    But, let’s also recognise that his grubmint took $300million out of DV in the last year alone.

    I made a similar comment last night as the news was announced … Billy’s support was the correct reponse too …

    Family Shelters must be the first major step …

    Having first hand experience I’m sure that having some where to go for help was my Mum’s second big issue … the first problem* I’ve always believed was maintaining her pride and self esteem …

    Many women (and more than a few men) won’t leave the relationship for this reason …

    Survival for the victims ie money, for shelter, food and clothing etc. is also an issue …

    There are no simple answers …

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:49 am

    The next economic boom?

    I read where 1.4 million Chinese middle class tourists are expected to visit Oz …

    … though I thoroughly dislike casinos … Queensland has a second one approved for Brisbane and another for the Gold Coast and one expected on the North Coast …

    ____________________________________

    Ironic how VW cheated to satisfy shareholders and make a bigger profit … having been caught out they now are abandoned by shareholders and their profit has nose-dived … I’m a big fan of poetic justice … Über Kapitalism at its worst …

    Be interesting discussion tonight when my Teutonic mate and his wife turn up for dinner 🙂

  199. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:50 am

    Family Shelters must be the first major step …

    Do you know if any of this is going into the TB, as, from my second hand reading elsewhere, that is what got hit hardest by the grubmints cuts. And their complaint is most of this is going to ‘training’, whereas the shelters is what needs it most.

    And on another topic, has anybody called nil a fucken idiot yet today, because, after his comment, it seems to be well past time.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:52 am

    Seems Allah may be sending a message to pilgrims to the Hajj this year …

    Two down one to go?

    I can only imagine the spin being put on the two disasters … and you could spin it either way … punishment for not following ISIL … anger for not stopping them …

  201. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:54 am

    Ironic how VW cheated to satisfy shareholders

    And yet Holden pays the ultimate price for their deception.

  202. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 8:58 am

    And after the CFMEU spent a week at turc being misrepresented in the media and accused by the libs over a fairly straight forward merger cleanout, they continue to hit back, with facts. Fuck ya witch hunt off, and take the biased judge with ya! Go catch real criminals!

    No wonder the AFP haven’t got around to checking on ashbygate, to busy listening in on Unions shredding decades old papers. What a friggin yawnfest.

    Will turnbull fix the fuck up? IS it a fuck up, or is it a design?

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2015 9:25 am

    Do you get paid by the CFMEU, Tom R? Or just a get a ride in the Maloo every now and then?

  204. September 25, 2015 9:27 am

    So a Chinese friend of mine is interested in buying a new apartment in Sydney. He went along to the launch of a new apartment development at Barangaroo.

    Once there, he had to pay a deposit of $5000 just to wait in the queue. This is before you’ve even seen the display unit and list of apartments for sale.

    He said it was packed and the crowd was 100% Asian – not one Caucasian was there.

    The sales people – also Chinese – spoke fluent Mandarin and Cantonese.

    The average price of a unit was around $4million, and by the end of the day the development was 95% sold.

    Many of them (I suspect) would be buying apartments under their children’s names who already have Australian residency or citizenship.

    When so called economists say that overseas investors are not driving the escalating property prices in Sydney they’re talking through a whole in their arse.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 9:38 am

    But the agreement does not specify that labour market testing must occur before visas are granted and the Department told Fact Check that requirement could be waived in “unique and exceptional circumstances”.

    Experts contacted by Fact Check say the China free trade agreement allows the Immigration Department to decide that jobs should be offered to local workers before it issues visas to overseas workers, but it does not require this to happen.

    The ACTU’s claim checks out.

    And that has been the argument all along!

    Make no mistake this country IS being invaded … commercially …

    … have I mentioned the China Towns right around the world before?

    Look at it from China’s perspective … massive country, 24 million people … everything you need to grow a culture over 7,000 years old … with a goal of “owning” the globe …

    I once told my adult g/kids they may have to make a choice … China or Islam …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Boy, sreb, you move in extremely influential circles … “””average price of a unit was around $4million””” … I doubt Sir Walter could match that! 🙂

    G’day Wally … kachyng!

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 9:40 am

    Just in case ToM’s around …

    I think you meant … hole … a whole in their arse

  207. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2015 10:48 am

    A surprisingly perceptive comment:

    “Trump is popular because we now live in a Kardashian nation and are one big cult of celebrity!”

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2015 10:55 am

    When so called economists say that overseas investors are not driving the escalating property prices in Sydney they’re talking through a whole in their arse.

    Yes a big worry. But it is also a great compliment to our country. Everybody wants to come here.

    At the moment for personal reasons i cannot stand the sight of an Eastern European especially the Russians. If Russia which is the biggest country on earth with more mineral wealth than anyone else cannot look after their own people then they can get stuffed.

  209. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 10:58 am

    When so called economists say that overseas investors are not driving the escalating property prices in Sydney s overly affluent end of town they’re talking through a whole in their arse.

    I know, and all they have is stats and shit

    When will they hang out with the common man on the street who lines up for $4million properties?

    Make no mistake this country IS being invaded … commercially …

    And, it’s not being done by the Chinese. This was something OUR grubmint wrote into the agreement. Fix it malcom, if you dare.

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2015 10:59 am

    “whole”?

  211. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:00 am

    and are one big cult of celebrity!

    but, but, Shortens BORING!!

  212. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:02 am

    OUCH

    hey toolman, just exposing more of your fucken lies!

    China will take a step towards tackling climate change that has proved politically impossible in the US by announcing that it will set up a national emissions trading system during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Washington.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/fastft/397141/china-set-up-national-emissions-trading-system

    What will churnbull do? Move with the rest of the world (when we COULD have been leading)?

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:02 am

    A house down the street sold for about 30% above reserve a month ago. It was slogged out by a couple of Chinese families.

    The suburb is already overpriced.

  214. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:05 am

    I agree with the CFMEU – bring back the White Australia Policy.

  215. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:13 am

    Shorten looks in the mirror to discern his political future:

    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/30712be54988918a73dd9a45ace728d2?width=650

  216. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:18 am

    I agree with the CFMEU

    Got a link?

    Thought not.

    They had one, guess what “Checks Out!”

    They got another (since you seem to be a fan) 😉

  217. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:19 am

    lol splatteredbum, that’s not a mirror, that was tones

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/good-to-see-you-tony-bill-shorten-finds-his-zinger-20150922-gjsdtm.html

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:25 am

    I agree with the CFMEU – bring back the White Australia Policy.

    The White Australia policy is not as bad as people think. It was racist. But Labor did not want Chinese workers because they were worried they would work for half wages and drive the wages of everybody else down.

    I was involved in Australian Science. English is now the language of science. The Eastern Europeans turn up and volunteer to work for half wages. And it is legal. All research workers are on contracts. So a University writes a contract so you can legally be in the lab without health and safety issues being a problem but you pay them for 2.5 days work.

    Postdoctoral workers get paid $90K/year plus 17% Super. Russians scientists get paid $12K/year. So half wages ($45K/year) is still better than full wages in Moscow.

  219. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:49 am

    “I was involved in Australian Science.”

    Yes, but why did Dr Frankenstein let you out of the lab? Mutant failures should be put down.

  220. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2015 11:55 am

    SB

    Science is the first profession with no borders. Since every scientist in the world must publish in English there is no problem with employing Russians. Poles, Chinese.

    And they all want jobs in Australia, USA, Canada and Britain. Not because they are unemployed but because they do not like the salary their govts pay them.

    You can make fun of my comments but you have no idea what is happening.

  221. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2015 12:54 pm

    History is so unkind

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 2:07 pm

    Bit of potentially good news … and Lockheed Martin setting up special weapons in SA too …

    Pyne said the Japanese, French and German bidders were required to present various options for construction. “All three of them are now saying they would prefer a domestic build,” he told Nine’s Today program on Friday.

    Just one question … I thought we had a SPENDING PROBLEM?

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2015 4:35 pm

    Scott Morrison, keep your head down and drop the chants:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/scott-morrison-keep-your-head-down-and-drop-the-chants-20150925-gjv47c.html#ixzz3mjIliwW6

    …And then it got worse.
    You reportedly like the idea of getting back to Peter Costello’s days of regular tax cuts.
    You think we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem. And you’ve hit upon the crowd pleaser of talking about improving housing affordability – as long the activity to achieve that is the responsibility of the states, not the federal government.
    When you’re framing the next few budgets, that “don’t have a revenue problem” line will come back to haunt you.
    And suggesting that we can get back to your mate Costello’s good ol’ days of constant tax cuts is actually a worry. That was a rare and passing resources boom that Costello and Wayne Swan frittered away on overly generous tax cuts instead of the government really working, saving and investing…

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 5:38 pm

    KL, seems we are not alone in our understanding of the economy woes … Pascoe’s right …

    Although I’d sooner hear Morriscum waffle and get stuck in the syrup … just for the fun of it … ’cause I get the impression he doesn’t have any more clue than his predecessor!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Having been involved with ADR Emission Control equipment way back in 1974 I was curious just how the VW software scam worked … well this explains it … for those also curious …

    The Environmental Protection Agency issued the German automaker a notice of violation and accused the company of using software known as a “defeat device” in four-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15. The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing. Only during such tests are the cars’ full emissions control systems turned on. During normal driving situations, the controls are turned off, allowing the cars to spew as much as 40 times as much pollution as the legal standard required under the Clean Air Act, the EPA said.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/world-business/vw-facing-massive-us-recall-over-emissions-test-cheating-20150919-gjqbsz.html

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2015 5:47 pm

    Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

    NSW PREMIER Mike Baird is a busy man. Between marking milestones on big new infrastructure projects and calling for Australia to take in more refugees, the “nice guy” of NSW politics has found time to live tweet his observations on last week’s final of The Bachelor endearing him to an audience often turned off by politicians.

    Now, with a new poll out showing he is the country’s favourite politician, some are wondering if a future move to Canberra is being planned.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/nsw-premier-mike-baird-is-australias-favourite-politician-so-could-a-move-to-canberra-be-on-the-cards/story-fn5tas5k-1227543913887

    NAH! Not that … this … LOL!

    Born in Melbourne, Baird is the son of Judy and Bruce Baird.[5] His father was a New South Wales Minister and Member of Parliament representing Northcott, and a Member of the Australian House of Representatives, representing Cook, for the Liberal Party.

    Baird attended The King’s School, Parramatta,[7] and then graduated with a Bachelor of Arts (Economics) from the University of Sydney.

    He studied at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada, initially intending to enter the Anglican ministry, but while there decided to enter politics.[7] In 1999, he unsuccessfully sought preselection for the seat of Manly. He then returned to NAB, working for a time in London, before returning to Sydney to work for HSBC Australia.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Baird

    Recognise any similarities?

    Astofknstounding! Hey?

  226. September 26, 2015 9:25 am

    TB”””profit has nose-dived .. I`m a big fan of poetic justice”””

    #but,but,but, .. the cmfu2 is behind it! .. boardrooms always make good decisions! .. it was the greedy workers! .. government red tape is the cause! .. boardrooms always represent shareholders interest .. they are worth every penny they`re paid:-)

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2015 9:38 am

    Last night Broncos 31 steamrolled Sydney Roosters 12 …!

    NQ Cowboys play Melbourne Storm tonight … if Cowboys win … the Grand Final will be Broncos and Cowboys played at Sydney ANZ Stadium … not a NSW team in sight!

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2015 9:40 am

    … boardrooms always represent shareholders interest .. they are worth every penny they`re paid:-) …

    Got some really bad news for you, tbagz … in Germany the Boards are made of management AND worker representatives … they are big believers in workplace democracy!

  229. September 26, 2015 9:55 am

    bloomberg”””A weaker currency ordinarily gives exporters an edge over rivals. But not when China, the biggest customer of your chief exports, iron ore, coal, and other commodities,

    just isn`t buying more, no matter how low the price.””’

    #also misses the point, as most of these writers do, `commodities` generally don`t have much `value-add` to them (glorified dirt delivery) and `raw` produce at `farm-gate` probably will never deliver the `distributed-wealth` thru-out the population as the `skilled` higher-wage manufacturing has in the past, now `gifted` to china.

    +

    bloomberg”””Not everyone agrees the situation is so bad. `There`s a bit of an obsession with iron ore prices in Australia,` says Mike Smith, chief executive officer of Melbourne-based ANZ Bank. Since services account for 8 out of 10 jobs(#mostly/many-junk-jobs) and 80 percent of GDP, resources are `not the be all and end all,` he says. `The underlying economy is actually performing OK.` Tourism(#457-visa) is thriving, and construction(#457) is booming thanks to low interest rates. Turnbull doesn`t have much time to convince voters Smith is right: He has to call new elections by late 2016.

    The bottom line: Australia`s new prime minister must diversify the country’s export base and nourish the digital economy.”””

    #the `bottom line` is, it is already too late and lost many an opportunity to other nations, and we are still ruled by the same zombies sabotaging the nation in the false belief it will make their corporate sponsors richer, long-term it will backfire.

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2015 10:12 am

    KL, seems we are not alone in our understanding of the economy woes … Pascoe’s right …

    Thank you for telling me that Pascoe is a deadbeat and votes Labor

  231. September 26, 2015 10:21 am

    l doubt `large-scale` knowledge of volkswagans `emission-cheat` was known by garden-variety workers teebz, sounds more like an inner-circle `cluster-fcuk` to me, tho l`m prepared to be incorrect.

  232. September 26, 2015 10:29 am

    teebz”””have to make a choice .. China or Islam”””

    #nah, you`re being `over-optimistic` again .. mankind will self-implode well before then .. or the planet fix us and abuse us right back

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2015 10:42 am

    Thank you for telling me that Pascoe is a deadbeat and votes Labor

    FYI, Kneel, if you check back a few days I was criticising a comment Pascoe made … but that’s the difference between commenter and rabid ideologue …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    l doubt `large-scale` knowledge of volkswagans `emission-cheat` was known by garden-variety workers

    Yer missing the point, tbagz, the workers I refer to are actually Members of the Board … with all that that entails …

    The Supervisory Board is responsible for monitoring the Management and approving important corporate decisions. Moreover, it appoints the Members of the Board of Management. The Supervisory Board of Volkswagen AG comprises 20 members and conforms to the German Co-determination Act.

    Half of the overall 20 members of the Supervisory Board are shareholder representatives. In accordance with Article 11(1) of the Articles of Association, the State of Lower Saxony is entitled to appoint two of these shareholder representatives for as long as it directly or indirectly holds at least 15% of the Company’s ordinary shares. The remaining shareholder representatives on the Supervisory Board are elected by the Annual General Meeting. The other half of the Supervisory Board consists of employee representatives elected by the employees in accordance with the Mitbestimmungsgesetz (German Codetermination Act). A total of seven of these employee representatives are Company employees elected by the workforce; the other three employee representatives are representatives of the trade unions elected by the workforce.

    My bold …

  234. September 26, 2015 10:51 am

    l still don`t have any belief in these `so-called-answers`,

    FTcom”””China has seven local emissions trading pilots, and had planned a national roll-out of the trading by 2016. However, difficulties integrating the local schemes and lack of transparency over their quota allocations and trading prices had led experts to believe the national plan could be pushed back as far as 2020.”””

    #history endlessly shows corporations, traders, brokers, dealers, end-up using these type of tools to game/con/rip-off the consumer, tax-dept, others, for their own benefit with little-to-zero benefit to others.

    #l reckon this is ripe for `enron-like` picking.

  235. September 26, 2015 11:20 am

    tb`s link”””The Supervisory Board is responsible for monitoring the Management and approving important corporate decisions.

    ###Moreover, it appoints the Members of the Board of Management.###

    The Supervisory Board held a total of six meetings in fiscal year 2014.”””

    #yeah, sure it has `10-workers`

    +

    #meet the boardroom teebz

    http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/content/en/the_group/senior_management.html

    #remember this dude.? mentioned in most reports.?

    my-link”””Martin Winterkorn .. Chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen AG””’

    #which doesn`t seem to have garden-variety workers in the executive/management/board, that `supervisory-board` ie-committee could easily be denied certain `data` from a devious boardroom, and even if `privvy`, only 10-workers to buy-off in the `cluster-fcuk`

  236. September 26, 2015 11:32 am

    note, when l say `boardroom`, l say it in the sense that, that is where the responsibility lies, not the `whole` boardroom was in on the emission-cheat

    #in all probability, it may have only been know by some of the boardroom members involved in certain tech, some of management, and some on-floor techs, keeping the `secret`

  237. September 26, 2015 12:11 pm

    fairfax”””Fiscal policy in the lead-up to the global financial crisis was unsustainable and dangerous. Everyone seems to have forgotten the Reserve Bank was being forced to bash the economy over the head with rising interest rates to counteract the sugar hits.

    Yes, it would be nice to experience such extreme good fortune again. It also would be nice to win Lotto, but it would be rather foolish to base one`s budgeting on either such hope.”””

    #but you watch folks, the zombies WILL

    #by all looks so far, beam-me-up-scotty will probably be just like eleventy, from an `entertainment` perspective that`s good, from a `financial` perspective, not so much

  238. September 26, 2015 12:16 pm

    fairfax”””this week`s episode of Utopia? Rob Sitch is well ahead of you”””#GUFFAW.and.true

    +

    my abc24, volkswagon boardroom, muller replaced winterkorn

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2015 12:35 pm

    Leadership change sparks civil war at News Corp
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/09/26/leadership-change-sparks-civil-war-news-corp/14431896002433

    The commentators who thought Tony Abbott was their champion are desperately looking for relevance after the coup…

    …For his part, Bolt is delusionally indefatigable. In his Thursday Herald Sun column, he claimed he and Alan Jones might have lost the battle to keep Abbott, but they had won the bigger war.

    “We’ve actually won. Me and Alan,” he boasted. “We’ve house-trained Turnbull … we knocked him into shape, Alan and I.”

    Then at tortuous length, he went on to enumerate all the ways in which Turnbull now was presenting as a convincing analogue of Tony Abbott, all because of the brilliance and courage of himself and Jones.

    “Alan and I will bask in our success,” he concluded. “Behold our neo-Turnbull. Let the Left weep.”

    It was the stuff of brilliant satire. Sadly, though, he appeared to be serious…

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2015 1:02 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull a class war act
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/09/26/malcolm-turnbull-class-war-act/14431896002419

    …At a later news conference, he repeated his views that government spending was too high. He said it was inherited from Labor. The facts are the Liberals have themselves added to it. But Morrison intends to address that, revealing ministers will be told to find extra savings. “Australia has a spending problem,” he said, “not a revenue problem.”

    It’s a strange claim, given the 2014-15 budget outcome, all the Coalition’s own work, showed a $7.5 billion shortfall in forecast receipts. At least Hockey understood that with a softening economy the last thing the federal government should do is withdraw its stimulus. The latest quarterly accounts show that without government spending, economic growth would have stalled completely, if not contracted…

  241. September 26, 2015 1:11 pm

    Hahaha!

    Kneel of Sydney is now trolling the comments section of The Guardian!

    ” NeilofSydney 42m ago

    Rudd/Gillard locked up 2,000 kids and 50,000 boat people. And this is what happened

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

    Corrupt and immoral people lead to corrupt and immoral results.”

    Fairly distinctive fingerprint, that one.

    Like a jilted lover, still forlorn at the demise of AbbottCorp’s broken former hood ornament.

    Hilarious.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/26/tony-abbott-defends-his-record-in-first-interview-after-leadership-coup

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2015 1:15 pm

    Football fans in Perth-

    o Boo Adam Goodes after every club president and captain has requested that it stop
    o Now punch a woman who had the audacity to request that the language be toned down.

    Perth is an unpleasant city populated with an abundance of racists, misogynists and awful bogans.

    Stay away.

    Vision has emerged of a man hitting a woman in the stands of Subiaco Oval during Fremantle’s preliminary final loss to Hawthorn on Friday night, prompting a stern condemnation from the AFL.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-26/crowd-violence-man-hits-woman-fremantle-dockers-afl/6806828

  243. September 26, 2015 1:35 pm

    saturdaypaper””””particularly galling for the right-wing commentariat, who loathe the ABC as much as they loathe Turnbull, that this Monday, when the new PM started doing the rounds of the interviewers, he began with the national broadcaster`s AM, and finished with 7.30.

    It`s not just spite, though; it`s sensible strategy, says professor of journalism at the University of Canberra Matthew Ricketson.

    `What`s he got to gain by going on Jones or Hadley or Bolt/Price and trying to persuade them?` he asks.

    `They are not persuadable. They speak to a very conservative constituency, and all the evidence would suggest that whatever Malcolm Turnbull did, that constituency still would loathe him. He just runs the risk of a series of unseemly brawls and beatings up.`

    Unlike Abbott, says Ricketson, Turnbull is a `particularly adroit` media performer, and smart enough to realise there`s more to be gained by explaining himself to persuadable audiences than by mouthing slogans to a conservative base.

    Polling analyst and marketing consultant Andrew Catsaras agrees. He argues that the tabloids and shock jocks have very little political influence.”””

  244. September 26, 2015 1:45 pm

    saturdaypaper””””’Margaret Simons, director of the Centre for Advancing Journalism at the University of Melbourne, also has data suggesting the influence of the right-wing media is overstated and declining.

    At the last federal election, in conjunction with the online organisation OurSay, she conducted a project named Citizens’ Agenda, which selected 10 electorates across the nation, city and country, marginal and safe, and ran a series of social media and town hall forums and follow-up interviews.

    It found that people were highly critical of the perceived bias of mainstream media. And they were even more critical in those areas where the Murdoch media were most dominant and strident.

    It also found that people, particularly younger respondents, got a lot information from social media and `minority outlets`.

    What they didn`t find was any evidence that the partisan tabloids affected the election result.

    `The Daily Telegraph in Sydney and Courier-Mail in Brisbane were by far the most virulent, yet the biggest swings were in Victoria and Tasmania, where the Murdoch press was actually much more moderate,` Simons says.

    `It`s very hard to point to any voting patterns that suggest they had any impact whatsoever.`

    She also points to the recent state elections in Queensland, Victoria and South Australia, where the News Corp press backed the losers.”””

    #oh teabags, don`t go believing these egg-head uni-prof`s just because they keep agreeing with `me`, you should believe everything blot tells you. #sigh

  245. September 26, 2015 2:02 pm

    leave him be dunny, while he is happy finger-painting over at the guardian, we at least get a rest from it

  246. September 26, 2015 2:18 pm

    saturdaypaper””””The poll, unfortunately, did not measure which content people trusted. Catsaras notes a lot of people buy the Murdoch tabloids for their sports coverage, `which is very good`.

    `But when it comes to news or political stories,` he says, `even if they read them, it doesn`t have much influence.`

    Catsaras compares their screaming front pages to Harvey Norman ads on TV, loud but not necessarily persuasive.

    `If you are not in the market for what they`re selling .. it doesn`t make a cracker of difference.`

    The Essential poll also asked people to assess the credibility of 10 media””””

    #blot doesn`t have enough `influence` on his imbecile-herd to be able to coax them behind the paywall either, in short, the hun and terror blog-beasts are `subsidized` by the `sports-readership`, another little `fact` blot will refrain from exposing, hypocritically, tho blot will continue to hammer teh-oz as being `subsidized` by terror and hun profits.

    #only their herd could love them.

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2015 2:44 pm

    Perth is an unpleasant city populated with an abundance of racists, misogynists and awful bogans.

    Stay away.

    Well I’d avoid some of the aerial ping pong fans but your childish gurgle above is a bit over the top …

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2015 6:52 pm

    Really TB? Although I can imagine Queenslanders having plenty in common with people from WA.

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 9:38 am

    Boo Adam Goodes after every club president and captain has requested that it stop
    o Now punch a woman who had the audacity to request that the language be toned down.
    Perth is an unpleasant city populated with an abundance of racists, misogynists and awful bogans.

    I agree with you tomM

    I just saw that video, I watched in horror as the man punched her. I was pleased to see those men nearby protest loudly and grab the man, good on them. To do such a thing openly at a public gathering. I can’t believe it, most cowardly grubs make sure the woman bashing is done behind closed doors. I wonder if the two are together or are complete strangers to each other.
    I’m quite happy to never see such people walking around. What else would he do given the chance? Surely he’ll be arrested for assault?

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 9:42 am

    I feel like I’m in an alternate universe this am, currently watchng brandis on insiders talking about the many needs that the victims of family violence have…and he sounds sincere. 😯
    What a difference a PM makes!

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 9:49 am

    The devine miranda makes her case for involuntary sterilisation. What should society do about the problem of unsuitable women and feckless men? Where do they come from?

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 9:50 am

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 10:05 am

    State based propaganda campaign aimed at anti conservatives, environmental activists and the modern world.

    The new anti terrorism booklet for schools links environmental activism and alternative music with terrorism.

    Everyone’s Making Fun Of The Government For Inventing A Hippie Terrorist Called Karen:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexlee/the-government-just-created-a-fictional-alternative-music-lo#.jx92RnDmY

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 10:06 am

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 10:13 am

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexlee/the-government-just-created-a-fictional-alternative-music-lo#.jx92RnDmY

    …It’s worth noting that this booklet encouraging people to find “a sustainable solution using the legal system” was released by Attorney-General George Brandis’ department, when earlier this year, Brandis introduced legislation to make it harder for them to do just that.

    Environmental groups successfully launched a legal bid to block a coal mine from being developed and Brandis labelled it “green lawfare” and “vigilante litigation”.

    Ironically, if that legislation passes, it could potentially radicalise environmental groups, who may be forced to participate in illegal activities to get results…

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 27, 2015 12:54 pm

    Kneel of Sydney is now trolling the comments section of The Guardian!

    Not trolling but making well informed comments. Somebody here posted a link to the Guardian one day and i have been making the odd comment ever since.

    I should say i found the same amazement at the hate filled comments as i did when i stumbled across Tim Dunlops blog just before the 2007 election. Beats me why you lefties hate so much. In fact i think Abbott is hated more than Howard was.

    But that comment by me about Labor locking up 2,000 kids brings back memories. I remember AO/Kittylitter say how nasty JH was for locking up a much smaller number. And then after the children in detention report was handed down, Howard released all the kids so there were no children in detention in 2007. But not much condemnation against Rudd/Gillard who locked up a much larger number.

  257. Musicke Box permalink
    September 27, 2015 10:54 pm

    …who may be forced to participate in illegal activities to get results…

    Copyright infringement is no laughing matter, young lady.

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2015 11:26 pm

    😆

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 12:28 am

    Andrew’s love for Tony is so big, it can never die.

    Loss of Tony Abbott as prime minister is a time of sorrow
    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/loss-of-tony-abbott-as-prime-minister-is-a-time-of-sorrow/story-fni0ffxg-1227546307247

  260. September 28, 2015 12:50 am

    k”””but making well informed comments”””#self.awareness.failure

    +

    AO”””love for Tony is so big, it can never die”””

    #and here l am, still over-dosing on `glee`

    #(fcuk blot, l`m not reading it, as l did catch some of his rabbit-love on the telly as l was flipping thru channels, good to see blot is still squirting)

  261. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 8:33 am

    and i have been making the odd comment ever since.

    pssst, nil, “odd” doesn’t begin to describe them

    It appears that turnbull is not just a sheep in wolfs clothing, he’s dumber than the wolf

    Unions have vowed to unleash a “fierce” grassroots and social media campaign against any federal government attempt to cut penalty rates

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/unions-to-revive-workchoices-if-turnbull-cuts-penalty-rates-20150927-gjvsf4.html#ixzz3myqtJKAM
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Yea, go on talc, bring it on. Really, nothing has changed has it, except they “might” sell it better. Not a good start.

    Frydenberg said it was 50 per cent more expensive to establish an energy project in Australia compared with one on the US Gulf Coast.

    Not sure how much cafe’s push up the cost of energy projects? That’s a lot of coffee.

    Let’s hope the debate uses common sense and not frydenbergs , common sense like this

    Employers argue that people should be able to make up during weekdays for what they have lost working on Saturday or Sunday. The fact is, they don’t. My research with colleagues into the effect of non-standard work hours shows that people who work on weekends – and particularly on Sundays – not only spend less time with family and friends, but are unable to make up that time on days they are not working. It’s not hard to see why: most other people are at work.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/cutting-penalty-rates-would-have-great-social-cost-20150926-gjvnnq#ixzz3myrtKMTB
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    Well DUH!. Most importantly

    Sunday, even though people might not go to church as much as in the past, is still regarded as the day of rest – a family day.

    So, while the grubmint might have a shiny new leather jacket, the aim remains the same. Kick the poor. Here’s a thought, why work cheaper, when we could work smarter?

    http://www.futuresmartaustralia.org/

  262. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 8:39 am

    And how good does this look malc, you put this guy in charge of parliamentary standards. lol

    His new role as Special Minister of State requires him to raise and reform parliamentary standards.

    However, federal MP Mal Brough is not yet free of his own damaging allegations that he broke the law in one of the murkiest episodes in Australian politics.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-special-minister-of-state-mal-brough-under-investigation-by-the-australian-federal-police-20150927-gjw2qg.html#ixzz3myuMHQJI
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  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:05 am

    …The AFP confirmed it was investigating the allegations against Mr Brough “thoroughly and comprehensively”…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-special-minister-of-state-mal-brough-under-investigation-by-the-australian-federal-police-20150927-gjw2qg.html#ixzz3myyW2wxO

    But they only just asked for the ch 9 tapes recently? A bit slow in evidence collecting don’t you think?

    Excuse me if i think we’ll never hear of this again, they’re just going through the motions to look as if they’re doing something. The slipper affair, more than anything, has made me realise that the AFP are partisan political players.

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:07 am

    …Bolt has finally lost it…

    I know reb, he’s in mourning. I couldn’t believe what I was reading!

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:18 am

    Didn’t he spend about 2 yrs parading himself around in speedos?

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:19 am

    “Corrupt and immoral people lead to corrupt and immoral results.”

    True that. Over 1200 people drowned so that posturing progressives might feel the heroin of their self-righteousness coursing through their veins.

  267. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:30 am

    A bit slow in evidence collecting don’t you think?

    Purely coincidental that the AFP get into gear on this AFTER yabot is disposed and brough is made a minster for yabots disposer

    Purely coincidental. Farrrk, where’s me foil hat?

    I think brough might has it

    Mal Brough: I’m not under investigation by the AFP over Peter Slipper diaries

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mal-brough-im-not-under-investigation-by-the-afp-over-peter-slipper-diaries-20150927-gjw4ig.html#ixzz3mz7UwfTj
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  268. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:44 am

    #lolbolt

    And he did all this in the face of astonishing heckling and even vilification from our media class,

    hahahhahahahahahahahahaha

    poor widdle chaff bag yabot

    What a dipshit is bolt. What’s worst, is there are numbnuts out there who believe this shit

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 10:01 am

    Mal Brough: I’m not under investigation by the AFP over Peter Slipper diaries

    A bit like abbott and his ‘send pauline hanson to jail’ slush fund. He refused to give the AEC the details of donations and lied about his supposed legal advice. He just asserted that it was all above board and the AEC didn’t push it further.

  270. September 28, 2015 10:08 am

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  271. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 10:18 am

    What if Andrew’s right?

    Even as a hypothetical, it can’t be taken seriously

  272. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2015 10:54 am

    Here lie their dreams as they stand in the sun
    On the ground where they built, and the engines they run
    To the moon and the stars, now what have we done?
    Oh the dreamers may die, but the dreams live on

    Do … Dreams live on?

    It could be the future of aviation, British eccentric genius on a grand scale, or possibly a bit of both. Secreted in a hangar a few miles south of Bedford sits the world’s largest aircraft: a hybrid of plane, balloon and hovercraft, an airship that the company modestly says will change the world. The Airlander 10 can fly for weeks, land virtually anywhere that’s flat, and burns just a fifth of the fuel of a conventional aircraft.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/worlds-largest-aircraft-looking-for-investors-to-give-it-liftoff

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2015 11:55 am

    What if Andrew’s right? OMG, what have we done? What have we done?

    Yep just like Australia turned to the dark side by voting for Rudd in 2007 the majority of the Coalition have done the same by voting for Turnbull.

    Morrision is a surprise. He states that he voted for Abbott but i suspect he did so knowing that Turnbull had the numbers. Would have been interesting which way he would have voted if the vote was close. I suspect he will make a better Treasurer than Hockey but i do not like the way it happened. It leaves a foul stench.

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2015 1:35 pm

    Bolt does get confused on occasions, like when he thinks it is racist for an ethnic and dispossessed minority to seek to remedy the fact.

    There’s obviously a place for conservative or libertarian commentators to challenge political correctness but Bolt doesn’t fill the role, he’s mainly a narrow minded whinger.

  275. September 28, 2015 8:05 pm

    Bolt’s ongoing broken heart for his icky partisan crush on Abbott is downright hilarious!

    Seriously, he is publicly incinerating what little humility he had left.

    “What a dipshit is bolt. What’s worst, is there are numbnuts out there who believe this shit”

    Enter, Kneel, on the right. Still spouting ridiculous polemic bullshit he’s assimilated from reading Bolt…ie. “Yep just like Australia turned to the dark side by voting for Rudd in 2007 the majority of the Coalition have done the same by voting for Turnbull.”

    You may like Kneel’s quote, splatter, but if you look at where he deposited it, it was in the middle of a comments thread elsewhere to which it had no relevance…and he was subsequently rubbished for doing so.
    Kneel is a half a trick pony, and that quote is all he’s got!

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2015 8:38 pm

    Enter, Kneel, on the right. Still spouting ridiculous polemic bullshit he’s assimilated from reading Bolt

    They are my opinions. I do not like what happened. I think some MP’s were worried they would lose their seats at the next election and wanted a new leader. What they fail to realise is that they may not have a job in the first place. There is no way Turnbull would have defeated Rudd at the 2013 election and i doubt he will win the next one.

    People keep underestimating Abbott. I remember many comments saying Abbott would never be PM because people would not vote for him as leader of the Coalition.

  277. September 28, 2015 8:45 pm

    “People keep underestimating Abbott. ”

    Guffaw!

    Abbott is Goooooooone! and those who keep overestimating his popularity & performance are a tragic breed of partisan arsehats who are, nonetheless, great to laugh at as they come to terms with the inevitability of Abbott’s terminal public profile amongst the moderate majority.
    I love that you’re wilfully welded to Bolt’s runaway grief wagon though. Much amusement.

  278. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2015 8:54 pm

    and those who keep overestimating his popularity

    I have stated several times i do not understand the hatred shown to Abbott. In fact i think it is worse than the hatred directed at Howard. But i do not agree with what happened.

    But Abbott and Howard are similar. Lots of people told lies about them. As soon as Turnbull gets in the hatred dies down but the policies have not changed.

  279. September 28, 2015 9:19 pm

    It’s because, to the moderate middle, Abbott represents the low water mark of inane sloganeering dumbed down faux US-brand conservatism.

    Did I mention, it’s tremendously enjoyable watching the forlorn responses of those on the fringe who continue to keen for the fallen dickhead? Because, it is.

    I’m not at all surprised that you don’t understand. In fact, that’s very in character for you.

    Howard’s arrogance was a bit more nuanced than Abbott’s. I certainly have more respect for Howard than the dismal deposed dogmatic dipshit.

  280. September 28, 2015 9:24 pm

    “But Abbott and Howard are similar. Lots of people told lies about them.”

    And what of the lies, told by both Howard & Abbott? Hmmm.

    In one ear & out the other, I presume.

    Abbott’s broken promises, after assuming power, are likely more to blame for his atrocious standing in opinion polls than most else. Those same polls directly lead to his demise & your broken hearted Abbottophilia.

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2015 9:45 pm

    Abbott’s broken promises, after assuming power, are likely more to blame for his atrocious standing in opinion polls than most else

    Good. Then let the Australian people deal with it at the next election.

    I do not agree with what happened to Rudd either.

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 10:17 pm

    I have stated several times i do not understand the hatred shown to Abbott.

    You really can’t understand much at all then.

    Three word slogans, inability to explain the smallest details and scare campaigns just don’t cut it. Neither does public policy being kept secret from the nation or government by extreme right wing shock jock. Even the coalitions own supporters couldn’t cop him, only the rusted on brainless [like bolt’s followers] thought he was competent.

  283. September 28, 2015 10:22 pm

    We don’t elect our PM here, Kneel. As you well know.

  284. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2015 11:00 pm

    We don’t elect our PM here, Kneel. As you well know.

    Well if Turnbull was Opposition leader in 2013, Kevin Rudd would have won the 2103 election.

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 11:09 pm

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2015 11:24 pm

    Well if Turnbull was Opposition leader in 2013, Kevin Rudd would have won the 2103 election.

    How do you know that neil? The country wanted rid of the labor party, I think turnbull would have won it if he was the OL.
    Labor got voted out, abbott didn’t get voted in on popularity, he’s always been unpopular to voters.

    The party chooses the leader and the party removes the leader,

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 29, 2015 8:49 am

    Turnbull was hopeless as Opposition leader (Godwon Grech?). He was getting slaughtered by Rudd. But Abbott replaced him over a policy difference not because Turnbull was doing hopeless in the polls. It was only when Abbott became Opposition leader did the Coalition prospects improve.

    I suspect once the honey moon period is over for Turnbull the polls will crash.

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    September 29, 2015 9:27 am

    If anyone had any doubts about Barnaby Joyce having the intellectual capacity of a worm (apologies to any bookworms – boom, boom! 🙂 ) he proved he doesn’t even have that on last night’s Q&A …

    What a fkn moron … this had to be the “classic line” of the evening discussing DV … men should learn NOT to open doors for women …

    Who votes for these people ???

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4297993.htm

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    September 29, 2015 9:32 am

    I suspect once the honey moon period is over for Turnbull the polls will crash.

    I certainly agree with that … especially when people begin to realise that nothing has changed … ideologically crippled, limited life experience in the real world, power and money hungry, helping the rich to suck on the poor …

    Turncoat’s Colgate Crocodile Smile will fool some of the people some of the time etc …. etc

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 29, 2015 10:08 am

    ideologically crippled, limited life experience in the real world, power and money hungry, helping the rich to suck on the poor …

    That statement could apply to lots of people from any political party.

  291. September 29, 2015 10:17 am

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  292. September 29, 2015 11:51 am

    Abbott’s choice of media outlets to justify his position and his government’s performance says everything. It is a re-run of his time in office and therefore re-run of the same mistakes – an absolute denial of any culpability, and an complete rejection of the logic of voters and his colleagues in their critique of same.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-ray-hadley-interview-shows-exactly-why-hes-no-longer-prime-minister-20150928-gjwy43.html#ixzz3n5XE5Hkt
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  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 29, 2015 12:16 pm

    and an complete rejection of the logic of voters

    The voters voted for Rudd in 2007 and Gillard in 2010. Enough said about the logic of the voters.

  294. Indifference permalink
    September 29, 2015 12:48 pm

    TONY ABBOTT: If we win the election I’ll be regarded as a genius. If we don’t win I’ll probably be political road kill at some point in time….I would like to be a leader who makes a difference but you can only make a difference if you take people with you. If you just say this is what I want and to hell with the rest of you, your leadership will inevitably end in tears.”

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2015 2:29 pm

    ..If you just say this is what I want and to hell with the rest of you, your leadership will inevitably end in tears.”..

    And that is exactly what happened.

    The article that reb put up is right:

    …But what of a democratically elected prime minister who wilfully refuses to represent the broad sweep of the people, and particularly those who didn’t vote for him?…

    …His assertion that he could have done a David Cameron, and be re-elected despite a period of being down in the polls, is fanciful and speaks to the depths of his office’s self-delusion. Cameron is a moderate, modern, inclusivist conservative relaxed about marriage equality and invested personally in tough action on climate change. Thus he is the antithesis of Abbott – far closer in fact to Turnbull and the “sensible centre” to which Abbott merely paid lip-service.

    But then, none so blind as those who will not see…

    Abbott was always woefully inadequate to be the PM, I don’t know why anyone thought he could rise above himself and into the job. I think it is to the libs shame that they allowed such a nutjob to take the country hostage.

    And didn’t he say he wasn’t going to snipe from the sidelines? As if we should believe a single word he says, his form is to do the opposite of what is coming out of his mouth.

    All this “I’m too young to retire” stuff is just him making excuses for lazily kicking back and ripping off the taxpayers for his wage while he spends his time doing everything but parliamentary work and stabbing turnbull, they should kill him now.

    Would anyone want him in private enterprise?

  296. September 29, 2015 2:49 pm

    “”they should kill him now.””

    HEAR HEAR!

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 29, 2015 2:49 pm

    Even the business types that I see most days are glad Abbott is history.
    ———
    Typically Brisbane is about to have some huge hail storm that will probably cause me to stay longer here in Bogan Town

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 29, 2015 2:50 pm

    “Would anyone want him in private enterprise?”

    Possibly he could return to supervising a very small cement factory.

  299. September 29, 2015 2:51 pm

    “”Would anyone want him in private enterprise?””

    Not in a pink fit!

    The guy is unemployable. Can you imagine the harassment and/or bullying claims if someone gave him a job in the private sector..?

    Not to mention his inability to listen to any other point of view other than his own.

    No Tony’s finished…. He’ll just sit on the backbench somewhere sucking on the teat of the taxpayer with the likes of Bronwyn Bishop.

  300. September 29, 2015 2:52 pm

    On the other hand, he could get a job running the AFL.

  301. September 29, 2015 2:54 pm

    “”Typically Brisbane is about to have some huge hail storm that will probably cause me to stay longer here in Bogan Town””

    Maybe you could do a bit of clothes shopping?

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 29, 2015 3:11 pm

    I was hoping to get out early, but Brisbane airport is now closed due to bad weather. How on earth do people live here???
    ————-

    Suitable employment opportunity for Mr Abbott

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    September 29, 2015 3:21 pm

    On the other hand, he could get a job running the AFL.

    Yep, that couldn’t be very hard to run (down) either …

    And the AFL types seem to fit The Mad Abbott’s mould admirably … 🙂

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    September 29, 2015 3:38 pm

    Suitable employment opportunity for Mr Abbott

    He may object to being held there by a woman, though,

  305. Tom R permalink
    September 29, 2015 3:51 pm

    Suitable employment opportunity for Mr Abbott

    Yea, but spare a thought for the poor woman holding the bag that’s catching him.

  306. September 29, 2015 4:00 pm

    🙂

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 29, 2015 4:39 pm

    Even the business types that I see most days are glad Abbott is history.

    Big business may be happy but small business was not happy that Turnbull got rid of the Minister for small business, Bruce Billson. Billson and Turnbull do not get on and i guess Turnbull does not care about small business.

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    September 29, 2015 5:01 pm

    Sometimes I think Kneel just might be catching on …

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 29, 2015 5:12 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/small-business-blasts-malcolm-turnbull-for-bruce-billsons-shock-demotion-20150920-gjr5er.html

    The small business lobby, regarded as one of the Liberal Party’s core constituencies, has accused Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of pandering to the big end of town by removing Bruce Billson from cabinet.

    Peter Strong, chief executive of the Council of Small Business of Australia, said Mr Billson’s removal as small business minister was “disappointing and disturbing”.

    “He was one of the best performing ministers – it’s just wrong,” Mr Strong said.
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    “I hope this isn’t the sign of what the Turnbull government is going to do – pander to big business like the Howard government did. This doesn’t augur well for our productivity or standard of living.”

    A Liberal source said Mr Billson’s removal was due to a personality clash between the two men.

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2015 5:54 pm

    On the other hand, he could get a job running the AFL.

    Yes, he likes all the boys club stuff.

    I was thinking he could become a personal trainer, he likes running about and keeping fit. There’s not much brain work involved, you only have to say ‘drop and gimme 50’ or ‘star jumps now’ etc. he could do something in aboriginal communities [if they would have him] or be a fire fighter or life surf life saver full time.

    Somehow, I think he prefers his ‘middle class’ income [according to sheridan] of $200K+

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
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  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2015 8:51 pm

    Bowler Barrister:

    The non investigation and prosecution of the Slipper Diary shows that our parliament is corrupted, completely broken and bereft of integrity.

    http://takemetotherhythm.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/the-cult-of-personality-has-taken-our.html

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2015 9:57 am

    For this month’s bookclub I would like to nominate this book.

    Australia’s Second Chance by George Megalogenis. I haven’t read it yet, but I will buy it

    Here’s a review

    http://estheranatolitis.net/2015/09/30/australias-second-chance/

    …And when all the data shows what a success story migration is, why can’t we remain a confident nation that’s open to the world – as well as to one another

    George Megalogenis tackles all these questions in his latest work, and then he goes one further: Australia’s Second Chance challenges us to understand these anxieties as the biggest stumbling blocks to our prosperity. After all, we’ve blown it before, in exactly the same way – and we suffered the consequences for decades. And now that we’re once again on the brink of making something of this Australian moment, we’re at risk of blowing it all over again…

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:04 am

    Bishop partner UN presence ‘appropriate’

    No its not … try taking your partner to a boardroom meeting …

    FOREIGN Minister Julie Bishop insists it was entirely appropriate for her partner to join her on the floor of the United Nations General Assembly during high-level talks.

    DAVID Panton was photographed sitting next to her in the Australian official delegation section during the leader meetings this week.

    Originally published as Bishop partner UN presence ‘appropriate’

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/bishop-partner-un-presence-appropriate/story-e6frfku9-1227550104947

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:15 am

    KL, the PM really blew his portfolio as Communications Minister … the NBN is a n utter shambles … and that is the highway to Australia’s involvement in the global revolution in STEM education … Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics … two years of slowing down the most important infrastructure this country had/has ever embarked upon …

    Two years of loss in renewable energy manufacturing … two years lost in waste and worry- warting because of religious based political ideology … two years lost in planning for the future beyond Tony Abbott’s career plans and we will now suffer that loss for at least four to six years …

    Tony Abbott AND THE POLITICIANS THAT FOLLOWED ANF PROPPED HIM UP should hang their heads in shame … The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes were are the worst government this country has ever seen and I just hope history records it as such …

    Because Turncoat & The Tricksters’ cover version of the same songs won’t work either!

    Incompetent hypocrites all … now controlled by a true Robber Baron …

  318. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:22 am

    two years of slowing down the most important infrastructure this country had/has ever embarked upon …

    And what happened under Rudd/Gillard. Six years of nothing.

    The Mad Abbott & The Acolytes were are the worst government this country has ever seen and I just hope history records it as such

    Why? What did Abbott trash? Most of our current problems stem from that govt.

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:32 am

    I mean most of our problems come from the Rudd/Gillard govt

    1. locked up 2,000 kids
    2. locked up 50,000 boat people costing $11B and continuing
    3. trashed the budget
    4. trashed the unemployment rate
    5. damaged our relationship with Indonesia

  320. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:36 am

    Change the record neil, the needle’s stuck.

  321. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 10:41 am

    I will list some of the Rudd/Gillard disasters when people say the Abbott govt was the worst ever.

    I would suspect very few govts would come close to the destruction caused by Rudd/Gillard.

    Oh and the 1,200 people who drowned that we know of and most probably 5 times that number trying to get here by boat. Encouraged to make the trip by TB of Queensland.

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2015 11:04 am

    New York: Julia Gillard was called many things during her time as the first female prime minister of Australia – ‘Juliar’, a ‘witch’, and worse, – but in the United States on Tuesday, she was described using a title usually reserved for the likes of Beyonce: ‘fierce’.

    That’s really nice. I’m glad Gillard is enjoying whatever it is she is doing.

    But I’m really glad she is no longer Prime Minister.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fierce-julia-gillard-cheered-alongside-michelle-obama-the-power-of-a-postpm-career-20150929-gjxo42.html#ixzz3nBBU4kE5

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2015 11:24 am

    KL, certainly be getting hold of an ebook of George M’s new book, thanks for the heads up …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, now you know how I felt about John Howard (we never did get rid of the Private School Bullies! And they’re now out of control) …

    I’m not happy that Abbott was ousted … too many people are fooled by Milkum Turncoat’s application of Colgate toothpaste … his breath still smells of Liberal tho’ …

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2015 11:45 am

    It looks as if I have a lot more faith in the judgement of the population than TB.

    History demonstrates that the public was right to get rid of Howard, it was right to lament the knifing of Rudd, it was (probably) right to want to say goodbye to the ALP government, **it was right to turn against Abbott and it is (probably) right to prefer Turnbull to Shorten.

    Turnbull shows that he is inclined to be persuaded to change policy. I suspect he has called this summit to provide additional rationale for some changes.

    **even though I voted ALP in 2013

  325. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 12:15 pm

    History demonstrates that the public was right to get rid of Howard

    Are you serious? Why? We spent $11B housing all the boat people Labor locked up, budget trashed, school halls, unemployment exploded etc etc

    Sounds like your trying to justify your vote in 2007.

    I suspect he has called this summit to provide additional rationale for some changes.

    In general people who have no ideas call summits and they are usually useless. What came out of the 2020 Summit?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_2020_Summit#Criticism

    There was no continuing secretariat for any follow-up action for the recommendations from the conference or the ten subgroups or forums.[16] Wayne Swan managed to get a review of the taxation system, to be prepared by the Treasury,[17] but in May 2010 when Rudd eventually released the report, he rejected 135 of the 138 recommendations .[18] Stuart wrote The 2020 summit provided a paradigm for much of the activity in Rudd’s term of office …. His rhetoric inspired and enthused voters. And yet …. and yet …. nothing happened. [1

  326. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2015 12:17 pm

    Gillard put up a good fight, but she had too many enemies surrounding her. yes, I think fierce does describe her, she had to defend fiercely her right to exist and every single thing she did as PM in the most depraved and bullying parliament we’ve ever seen. Abbott being the chief thug.

    Abbott was his own worst enemy, he played out his childhood fantasies of grandeur with himself sitting as our king atop his medieval, middle ages empire complete with a feudal system of government. We even got knights and dames back to complement his image of himself as the ruler king surrounding himself with loyal armies and minions to protect the crown from plotting enemies everywhere, his own game of thrones.

  327. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 1:19 pm

    hahahahahaha

    fucken muppets

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has announced Australia will launch a bid to sit on the United Nations Security Council in 2029 and 2030.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-then-and-now-on-bidding-for-a-seat-on-the-united-nations-security-council-20150929-gjxqax.html#ixzz3nBj8GPGz
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    And yes, even though they have a shiny suit, they still have the same aim. Trash it all. And, like the bishop saga, it is nope nope nope, in opposition, but yes (with strings attached) when in power.

    Reviewing Medicare benefits should be an act of reform, not saving for saving’s sake

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/16/reviewing-medicare-benefits-should-be-an-act-of-reform-not-saving-for-savings-sake

  328. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 1:24 pm

    but she had too many enemies surrounding her

    Including (and most importantly) a media who, unlike the rest of world, dismissed the misogyny speech out of hand, and subsequently got left in the wake of their international comrades. And they STILL fail to recognise it for what it was, even AFTER the horror of having a publicly outed misogynist pretending to be the minster for womens

    “As just one example she was totally unafraid to take down a male opposition leader in front of parliament and the world for his sexism and misogyny. It’s a great speech, Google it.”

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/education/gillard-hailed-as-fierce-feminist-and-calls-on-women-to-ignore-trolls/?utm_content=buffer455f2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2015 1:51 pm

    but she had too many enemies surrounding her

    Well, she did choose to join the ALP, and at some point everyone will be an enemy in that party.
    ———————
    Neil, Howard’s enduring legacy is creating a political aversion to public debt. That’s important, but that’s about it.
    He’d run his race, he stayed in too long, and was in retreat (remember how he committed to an ETS?). He wasn’t contemporary.
    But he can be appreciated for putting the revenue/expenditure balance right in the centre of the political debate.

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 2:05 pm

    but that’s about it.

    Leadership of the United Nations mission to restore independence and democracy to East Timor
    -lifting productivity on Australia’s waterfront to world standards
    – establishment of the National Community Crime Prevention Programme
    -an increase in the number of apprentices in training by more than two-and-a-half times – from 154,800 in March 1996 to 397,400 by December 2006
    -an increase in the number of higher education students from 659,000 in 1997 to 1,029 846 in 2007
    -the establishment of a specific Future Fund, providing for the future superannuation liabilities of Australian public servants
    -Priority for school-to-work programs such as Jobs Pathway and enterprise education
    -the introduction of the Work for the Dole program, helping to get long-term unemployed back into the workforce
    -a nationwide strategy to involve communities in the protection of the environment through the establishment with the States of catchment management authorities across the continent under the Natural Heritage Trust and the National Action Plan for Salinity and Water Quality
    -setting new international standards in the protection of marine areas by expanding from 5 per cent to 33 percent the proportion of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park protected from exploitation
    -establishing the National Oceans Office and the commencement of marine protected areas around the entire continental shelf
    -establishment of the National Heritage Council and the National Heritage list for the effective protection of Australia’s national heritage
    -building of the National Portrait Gallery and planning the new Museum of Democracy
    -the Alice Springs – Darwin railway
    -Instituting nation-wide gun controls following the Port Arthur massacre
    -eliminating Labor’s $96 billon government debt – by 2007 Australia was saving $8.8 billion a year in interest payments
    -decline in number of households dependent on government pensions and allowances from 28.5 per cent in 1994-95 to 23.2 per cent in 2007-08
    -restoring Australia’s AAA credit rating
    -establishing the Charter of Budget Honesty and the independence of the Reserve Bank to manage monetary policy
    -New prudential supervision of financial institutions through the Australian Prudential Regulatory Authority (APRA)
    -providing the largest tax relief in Australia’s history, and a much fairer tax system from 2000 with the introduction of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) – followed by further tax relief in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2015 2:15 pm

    Neil, administration of some government programs isn’t a “legacy”

  332. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 2:16 pm

    but that’s about it.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2010/08/19/the-tide-turns-back-towards-labor-on-marine-parks/

    The Howard Government delivered the world’s first Oceans Policy and major marine parks in the Great Australian Bight, Australia’s south-east marine region around Tasmania, around our sub-Antarctic islands, and greatly increased protection of the Great Barrier Reef. A number of Australia’s major fisheries were rationalized and restructured, underpinned with a multimillion-dollar package to provide the necessary graceful exits. One of the biggest legislative reform agendas in Australia’s history was delivered with the creation of the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. Fish became recognized as wildlife not just a commercial commodity and hundreds of millions of dollars were invested through the National Heritage Trust in Australia’s first national program for coast and marine protection and rehabilitation.

    Rudd’s Labor inherited a commendable marine planning process but has failed to deliver anything on the water and have all but dispensed with deployment of any marine and coastal investment. They have dithered on everything but championing whale protection internationally.

  333. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 2:21 pm

    Neil, administration of some government programs isn’t a “legacy”

    OK I get what you are saying but Ministers get to chose what gets done.

    Brendon Nelson ordered the Super Hornetts against PS advice. Now everybody is saying what a great plane they are.

    And reform of the waterfront would have never happened under the ALP.

  334. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 3:19 pm

    They have dithered on everything but championing whale protection internationally.

    She must feel a little bit silly now after what Labor achieved on the marine parks side of things 😉

  335. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 3:30 pm

    She must feel a little bit silly now after what Labor achieved on the marine parks side of things

    All the marine parks were created by the Howard govt. Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park when in power. Not one.

    They did PROPOSE but as usual it never happened.

  336. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 3:41 pm

    It’s so recent it can barely even be called history nil

    Our national network of sanctuaries is the result of decades of effort across the political divide in Australia. The process to establish the national network first began when John Howard’s Coalition Government developed the world’s first Oceans Policy in 1998 and went on to declare 22 marine parks around Australia. This built on Australia’s first federal marine parks declared by the Whitlam Labor Government in the 1970s, and the Fraser Liberal Government in the 1980s.

    Federal Labor then finalised the world’s largest and first comprehensive network of sanctuaries bringing the total of federal marine parks to 59.

    http://saveourmarinelife.org.au/about/achievements/

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2015 3:50 pm

    Turnbull shows that he is inclined to be persuaded to change policy.

    I’ll wait for Talcum to start walking if he’s inclined its to the right … and standing still …

    And who WTF are you talking to? Me? Or you vast number of followers?

    It looks as if I have a lot more faith in the judgement of the population than TB.

    What’s with the third person … I’m in the room with the fkn elefant!*

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    budget trashed, school halls, unemployment exploded etc etc …

    GFC, applying the “multiplyer effect” to the economy, exploded? To 5.8 … GFC??

    I’m beginning to think Kneel is actually in Austria and on the wrong blog …

    (Replying to Kneel is a bit different ToM – OK?)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But he can be appreciated for putting the revenue/expenditure balance right in the centre of the political debate.

    And many economist will tell you that the problems we have now are from Howard and Costello’s welfare for the rich programs …

    And once and for all … a government is not a business … it is not run to make a profit … it is run to serve the people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Brendon Nelson ordered the Super Hornetts against PS advice. Now everybody is saying what a great plane they are.

    Compared to the buzzbomb called the F35 the F18 is … see any F35’s flying missions anywhere?

  338. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 4:08 pm

    Federal Labor then finalised the world’s largest and first comprehensive network of sanctuaries bringing the total of federal marine parks to 59

    My understanding is that it never happened. They proposed but the Coalition was against it. Coalition said that the Howard govt marine parks were enough. It never happened.

    Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park. They did PROPOSE however.

    I’m beginning to think Kneel is actually in Austria and on the wrong blog …

    I forgot to add that in 2006, 25% of cars were made in Australia. After Rudd/Gillard only 10% of cars were made in Australia. The GFC had nothing to do with that.

  339. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 4:11 pm

    My understanding is …………. limited

    But environment groups said the changes rendered the vast marine parks established under Labor little more than lines on the map.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sneaky-coalition-move-to-change-marine-park-rules-20131214-2ze8v.html#ixzz3nCRQEAiy
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  340. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 4:15 pm

    The GFC had nothing to do with that.

    nothing?

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 5:14 pm

    But environment groups said the changes rendered the vast marine parks established under Labor little more than lines on the map.

    Exactly. And Gillards plans are still lines on a map.

    They proposed but never legislated before they lost office. It never happened. Labor wanted to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks but the legislation never was passed.

    The vast bulk of our marine parks are a creation of the Howard govt.

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 5:34 pm

    the vast marine parks established under Labor

    This is wrong. Gillard never established any marine parks. She proposed but never legislated.

  343. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 6:09 pm

    Exactly. And Gillards plans are still lines on a map.

    Read the quoted piece right above where you said that. It explains WHY they are NOW little more than “lines on a map.”

    Because of changes the yabot grubmint made.

    They also rendered “little more than lines on the map.” the marine parks your hero howard implemented.

    That must therefore mean that howard didn’t do anything at all, going by your logic.

    This is wrong.

    As wrong as the other link I put up? I’m guessing no amount of links put up will be right, cos I’ll bet someone like bolt, or even better, a random poster there, said they didn’t, so therefore it obviously didn’t happen.

    Even though the grubmint made changes that rendered them “little more than lines on the map.”

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 6:34 pm

    Because of changes the yabot grubmint made.

    No. the Howard govt created 1 million square kilometers of marine parks. It was one of the great achievements of the Howard govt. Gillard wanted to triple this to 3 million square kilometers. Gillard proposed but never legislated. And the Coalition abandoned plans to increase the size of the marine parks because it would lock out recreational fisherman from too large an area.

    As usual the Gillard govt gets credit for doing nothing. It never happened.

  345. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 6:48 pm

    This is the history of australian marine parks. Some were created by Fraser then hawke. But the vast bulk were created by Howard. And there was no network until Howard. Gillard did not create a single marine park.

    http://greatforaustralia.net/history-of-marine-parks/

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2015 6:58 pm

    Nothing we didn’t already know eh?

  347. Tom R permalink
    September 30, 2015 7:08 pm

    Just ANOTHER link nil

    Environment Minister, Tony Burke, today marked the proclamation which will protect more than 2.3 million square kilometres of ocean environment. – See more at: http://frdc.com.au/knowledge/news_and_media/media_releases/Pages/Gillard-Government-proclaims-the-final-network-of-Commonwealth-marine-reserves.aspx#sthash.r3e0Co7d.dpuf

    About a million square miles of ocean will be proclaimed reserves today in a bid by the Gillard Government to limit fishing and oil and gas exploration.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9682198/Australia-creates-worlds-biggest-marine-park.html

    n 2012 the Federal Government established a network of marine parks throughout Commonwealth waters. The network is vital for the protection of our sea life and the culmination of fifteen years of advocacy, science and consultation. Prior to the 2013 federal election the Coalition announced it would ‘suspend and review’ the marine reserves if elected. In December 2013, Environment Minister Greg Hunt announced that management plans for our marine reserves would be “redrafted”.

    http://www.marineconservation.org.au/pages/marine-parks.html

    I can keep ’em coming. But you stick with yer bolters advice 😉

  348. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 30, 2015 7:38 pm

    Environment Minister, Tony Burke, today marked the proclamation

    Yep, labor proclaimed but it was never legislated, never happened and the Coalition reversed the legislation.

    Just shows you should never trust the media especially the Labor loving journalists. You have been lead astray

    Howard created 1 million square miles of marine parks and that is what we have now.

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 9:12 am

    And many economist will tell you that the problems we have now are from Howard and Costello’s welfare for the rich programs …

    And once and for all … a government is not a business … it is not run to make a profit … it is run to serve the people …

    Economists come in all shapes and sizes, it’s meaningless to talk about “many economists”- there was a time that I qualified to be classified as one.

    A government has a range of similarities to a business, it’s just that everyone consumes its services. The critical issue for a government is getting best value in providing the services to everyone (ie its consumers)

    Left oriented types often don’t see a problem with providing below optimum, expensive or wasteful services.

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2015 9:33 am

    And this guy’s spent days “embedded” with ISIS and a lifetime reporting conflict …

    “I don’t see anyone who has a real chance to stop them. Only Arabs can stop IS. I came back very pessimistic.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Left oriented types often don’t see a problem with providing below optimum, expensive or wasteful services.

    That’s such a dumb, patronising, politically biased comment it actually sticks itself up its own arse …

    So let’s take Direct Action as an example … or negative gearing … expensive? wasteful? optimum? There are many more the “right” have rooted … NBN?

    Left – right? You make some really silly statements, ToM …

    … there was a time that I qualified to be classified as one …

    But were you classified? A qualification does not make you necessarily good at applying of that “knowledge” …

    I don’t care which colour of government it is they are now run to make a profit … that is not their function … it is to ensure the safety and welfare of the nations people and develop each generation to maintain, improve and achieve a better lifestyle for everyone …

    And I certainly wouldn’t employ any of pricks to run a business … unless it was selling waffles …

  351. October 1, 2015 10:07 am

    “”That’s such a dumb, patronising, politically biased comment it actually sticks itself up its own arse …””

    Yes, isn’t it.

    I mean, that school chaplains program, that was a real good use of $230 million wasn’t it?

    Or howabout a taxpayer funded investigation into the Bureau of Meteorology, those left wing bastards are determined to misrepresent the weather!

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 10:33 am

    It is a different government.

    The Turnbull government has dropped its plan to allow universities to set their own fees from next year, and will go back to the drawing board on higher education reform.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-government-shelves-controversial-university-reforms-in-major-departure-from-abbott-era-20150930-gjynlt.html#ixzz3nGrMLLzm

    —————–
    That seems an odd comment TB.
    You provide a comment to justify your own perspective by quoting some nebulous group of “many economists” and then start to split hairs about how an economist qualification is to be classified!
    Apparently you’re a qualified trainer, whatever that means. But you routinely tell us that this is the case.

    I don’t care which colour of government it is they are now run to make a profit … that is not their function …

    Now exactly who is suggesting that governments run at a “profit”. Seeking reduce mounting (and ultimately unsustainable) debt, isn’t a “profit”. But left oriented types often get confused about that.

  353. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 10:38 am

    Yes, isn’t it.

    I AGREE!

    Speaking of dumb and stupid, penalty rates looks like becoming a big issue, and all of these vested interest want us to think it is them driving the change, but even they realise who it really is.

    The Herald has long argued that excessive penalty rates in retailing and hospitality do not reflect the modern, 24/7 consumer world.

    New Employment Minister Michaelia Cash says she is open to debate on penalty rates but insists only the Productivity Commission and the Fair Work Commission are examining such reform.

    True, but it will be the government that must lead the debate

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/malcolm-turnbull-pursues-hawkelike-consensus-on-economic-reform-20150930-gjxsoq.html#ixzz3nGv3hPa0
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    I read a story yesterday(?) where sit was claimed some Tasmanian restaurant lost $8k on a single Easter Friday which they blamed on penalty rates? It would be nice that, if they wanted to run the argument, don’t rely on out right bullshit like that to run your case.

    Which brings me to this corker 😉

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 10:52 am

    – there was a time that I qualified to be classified as one.

    😯

    …The critical issue for a government is getting best value in providing the services to everyone (ie its consumers)…

    The services are paid for by our taxes, we want decent services, we would have plenty of money for world class services if our taxes were not being diverted to subsidise private enterprises and paying taxpayer $ for private schooling & health when we already provide one for all citizens.

    The waste is in the choices made to benefit and subsidise people who should be paying for their own private choices.

    Taxes should collectively benefit and increase the nation’s progress and future [NBN], it’s investment in it’s citizens, not wealthy individuals.

  355. October 1, 2015 10:59 am

    “”I read a story yesterday(?) where sit was claimed some Tasmanian restaurant lost $8k on a single Easter Friday which they blamed on penalty rates? “”

    Yes, it is bullshit isn’t it.

    The government seems to be obsessed with how (apparently) penalty rates are killing small business, but little is made of the fact that rents are extortionate in main capital cities not to mention that you have to wait 10-20 minutes for a table at a half decent breakfast joint in Melbourne anyway. These are not businesses that are struggling – they’re turning a tidy profit!*

    If the owner of a cafe says he can’t turn a profit because of penalty rates – maybe the reality is that they’re in the wrong business.

    *According to reb’s mates

  356. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:00 am

    It is a different government.

    Didn’t the “last” (yabot) grubmint not tell us about this before the election? Seems like the same old shit to me

    But he said the government’s policies officially remain in place until cabinet decides otherwise.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-government-shelves-controversial-university-reforms-in-major-departure-from-abbott-era-20150930-gjynlt.html#ixzz3nH1LpeLs
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  357. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:03 am

    Tony abbott is doing another ‘no sniping’ radio interview on 3AW.
    Does public life have an interest in him? Who cares, says abbott, it’s what he wants that matters.

  358. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:06 am

    The AFP needs to be cleaned out, they are partisan players in the political process. Remember when slipper had to be investigated and charged because someone other than finance had referred him? Well bronny apparently has had no referral from the dept of finance even though she’s admitted to signing a false declaration, so they’re not investigating.

  359. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:10 am

    And, just like yabot, turnbull is just another hypocritical torie

    “Labor welcomes the belated support from Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberal Party for the NBN satellite program.

    “As they say — better late than never.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/sky-muster-launches-amid-concerns-internet-speeds-overpromised/6817998

  360. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:13 am

    I think this explains yomms “different government” quite well.

  361. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:32 am

    Turnbull appears to be another Kevin Rudd but smarter. He starts with a summit because he has no ideas. Turnbull is a trojan horse for the left. I hope the Nationals put more people in electorates. A reasonable number of Coalition voters will never vote Liberal with Turnbull leading the party but they would vote for the Nationals.

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 1:26 pm

    Neil, will you be happy if Abbott destabilise the libs like rudd did to gillard?

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 1:41 pm

    Neil, will you be happy if Abbott destabilise the libs like rudd did to gillard?

    Don’t know but i do not like what happened. i think Turnbull is power mad.

    Howard and Abbott cared about Australia. Turnbull only cares about Turnbull.

    I hope the Nats contest every seat in Australia.

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 3:28 pm

    Neil, will you be happy if Abbott destabilise the libs like rudd did to gillard?

    Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of the union warlords (see the 7.30 Report and interview with Paul Howes on the night of the assassination for confirmation)

    Meanwhile, Rudd was always preferred as PM by the public, and many MPs saw his return as the only means of salvaging seats.

    Perhaps once Abbott achieves that level of support and public sentiment, the comparison can be drawn. Otherwise it’s just crap.

  365. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 3:38 pm

    Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of the union warlords

    Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of “teh faceless men”

    Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd because she’s an unscrupulous power hungry woman

    Hang on, Gillard knifed Rudd at the behest of Shorten

    Hang on, ………………. I’m getting dizzy ………….

    orrrrrrrrrrr

    Gillard knifed Rudd because he was an unsuitable PM

    talcum knifed yabot because he was an unsuitable PM

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 3:54 pm

    Gillard knifed Rudd because he was an unsuitable PM in the way

  367. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:10 pm

    When it comes to recent events in domestic Australian politics, Julia Gillard prefers to leave commentary to her colleagues in the Labor party.

    But regarding the recent ousting of the prime minister, Tony Abbott, Gillard said on Wednesday: “I understand how he feels, having been there myself.”and because I’ve also knifed a Prime Minister in the first term of government**

    **Note – my addition in bold to ensure a correct record of actual events.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/julia-gillard-ousted-tony-abbott-feels-australian-prime-minister

  368. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:23 pm

    The comparison is apt when you think about it tomM. You’re just sticking with the “gillard was illegitimate” meme.
    The fact is the labor party instilled a new leader the same as the libs have done. Like it or not the unions have power in the labor party and the individual mp’s have a union base.
    The party removed rudd and then it removed gillard.
    Libs removed Abbott and it sounds like he’s going to throw a bomb into his own party now.

  369. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:25 pm

    Of course gillard knifed a sitting pm, it’s undeniable and so did turnbull.
    What’s the point of splitting hairs about the method?

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:28 pm

    Rudd didn’t accept it and was intent on bringing gillard down, destabilising her leadership because of anger and retaliation, a refusal to accept it.
    That was my point.

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:53 pm

    The Turnbull government has dropped its plan to allow universities to set their own fees from next year, and will go back to the drawing board on higher education reform.

    BS! They’ve “delayed” it … people really do get sucked into Turncoat’s Colgate, hey … Turncoat’s government has NOT DROPPED its plan its DELAYED IT!

    Maybe I should have done this …

    But were you classified? A qualification does not make you necessarily good at applying of that “knowledge” …

    And FYI there IS a difference … eg just having a degree in Accounting won’t classify (qualify) you as a CPA and or even a CA – just ask Wally … at the NSCA there was a gaggle of Grad Dips OHS but none of ’em had any work experience …

    Now exactly who is suggesting that governments run at a “profit”. Seeking reduce mounting (and ultimately unsustainable) debt, isn’t a “profit”. But left oriented types often get confused about that.

    That’s your suggestion … the country has a revenue and spending conundrum … and if you want to make it left or right … the real difference seems to be who pays and who gets help …

    I’ve listed the dodgy welfare for the rich vacuum cleaners, that need to be turned off, often enough now:

    ► Negative gearing

    ► Trust funds

    ► Super tax for the rich

    ► Multinational tax avoidance

    ► Pollies perqs past and present

    Therein lies the real spending problem … and a simple across the board 20% tax – no concessions, no claims will fix the revenue … just pay the tax …

    Then we might at least be able to give the people who defend us (and are disallowed a union) a decent pay rise!

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2015 4:58 pm

    This is an interesting document …

    Benefits of an ageing population

    Several areas in the community will benefit from the surge in numbers of retirees who
    are active and healthy, independent and with time on their hands. Previously, women
    have provided much of the volunteer work performed in the community but today,
    women are in the work force in increasing numbers. At a time when the contribution of
    volunteers is increasingly important given the rising demand for such services, many
    health and welfare agencies are seeking to recruit from the growing numbers of retirees.

    And it appears that rates of volunteering among the baby boomers are continuing to rise
    compared to previous generations (Wilkinson and Bittman 2002). The gross value of all
    volunteering in 1997 was assessed at $41 billion (Ironmonger 2000), equivalent to the
    amount the government spent on all aged care services in that year (Australian Institute
    of Health & Welfare 2001). Not only does the community benefit from volunteer work
    contributed by older Australians, but older Australians themselves also benefit. The
    ‘young old’ care for the ‘old old’ and in doing so, report a high level of satisfaction with
    their volunteer work (Cummins et al. 2002b).

    Volunteering is regarded as one measure of social capital and thus an indicator to a
    healthy civil society. Organisations such as the World Bank view social capital as ‘not
    just the sum of the institutions which underpin a society – it is the glue that holds them
    together’ (World Bank 2003). Older people contribute to this ‘glue’ in other ways as
    well. They play an important role in supporting and maintaining informal social
    networks thus binding communities and families within communities.

    http://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP63.pdf

  373. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 5:42 pm

    ► Negative gearing

    ► Trust funds

    ► Super tax for the rich

    ► Multinational tax avoidance

    ► Pollies perqs past and present

    How about spending less? Lefties always try to solve budget problems with increased taxes

  374. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 5:53 pm

    “…How about spending less? Lefties always try to solve budget problems with increased taxes…

    Lefties want our taxes to be used for public services and benefits not subsidising private wealth interests, especially when the same individuals are not paying their own share of the tax burden

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 6:12 pm

    The government occupies quite enough of the economy, the proportion of government revenue to the GDP is more than adequate.

    I’m also quite happy to close the various tax loopholes, as long as this is used to offset reductions in other areas of government revenue.

    Left oriented types usually just want a bigger proportion of society and the economy to be occupied by people that soak up the taxes we pay.

  376. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 6:16 pm

    “Our Director of Community Liaison is just run off her feet with all the meetings and community liaison going on. She needs more resources”

    There goes another $200,000 in local government or public service overheads.

  377. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 6:38 pm

    Lefties instinctively look for ways to raise more money by taxation rather than cut spending or spending more wisely. They are always on the lookout for someone who is successful and making money and then when they find him they tax the crap out of him.

    That is why Labor will never run surplus budgets no matter how good the economy is and how amazing the achievement of Costello was. Nine surplus budgets out of 11 for Costello. never will happen again.

  378. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 7:02 pm

    the proportion of government revenue to the GDP is more than adequate.

    Not by our historical standards. But, since “there was a time that ” you were ” qualified to be classified as one.” you’d know that already, wouldn’t ya?

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GC.TAX.TOTL.GD.ZS

  379. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 7:06 pm

    Awkward for the witch hunt

  380. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 8:07 pm

    Neil, administration of some government programs isn’t a “legacy”

    Just another comment on that point. I listed some of the achievements of the Howard govt.

    –Leadership of the United Nations mission to restore independence and democracy to East Timor

    Would Labor have sent in the troops like Howard did to East Timor? I doubt it.

    -lifting productivity on Australia’s waterfront to world standards

    Who can forget the waterfront dispute. No way labor would have done something like that..

    -the establishment of a specific Future Fund,

    To establish the FF you need to have some spare cash. Labor could never have done that.

    school-to-work programs, Work for the Dole program

    Unlikely Labor would do something like that.

    Most of the things on the list are more than “some govt programs” They are things only the Coalition would have done. Granted Labor may have created the Marine Parks if they were in power at the time. They could be classified as “some govt programs” But most things on the list are Coalition programs.

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2015 8:07 pm

    Future Soylent Green executive …

    Left oriented types usually just want a bigger proportion of society and the economy to be occupied by people that soak up the taxes we pay.

    Could you expand on that statement, please, ToM?

    eg:

    1 “”bigger proportion of society and the economy””? What is the correct proportion?

    2 “”people that soak up taxes we pay””? Who are we talking about here?

    Are you referring to the handouts to recipients of ? :

    ► Negative gearing

    ► Trust funds

    ► Super tax for the rich

    ► Multinational tax avoidance

    ► Pollies perqs past and present

    3 “”Left oriented “types”? What are they exactly?

    And could you provide me with a link or further information regarding this and your comment re $200,000 … eg what it is in relation to and where the $200,000 came from?

    “Our Director of Community Liaison is just run off her feet with all the meetings and community liaison going on. She needs more resources”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How about spending less? Lefties always try to solve budget problems with increased taxes

    Dopey bugger! The spending is in the list you quoted from me (see above) … its for the RICH and SUCCESSFUL … its squandered.

    They are always on the lookout for someone who is successful and making money and then when they find him they tax the crap out of him.

    Having been self employed for 16 years I can assure you ALL governments tax the crap out of you … especially successful small businesses …

    But I have never complained about my taxes helping people worse off than me …

    I guess that comes from an early life living on things like bread and dripping, or bread and butter pudding, rabbit stews, and the “luxury” of an occasional banana!

    Working 8 hours a day and then spending three hours at tech college … at 15 … ad infinitum …

    Its life experience, empathy and compassion that sorts the greedy arseholes out from the people who know what its like to struggle …

    Wonder how well anyone here would survive on the age pension … $22,300 pa single and $33, 700 pa couple.

    “Average” household income is about $100, 000 I think.

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2015 8:09 pm

    –Leadership of the United Nations mission to restore independence and democracy to East Timor

    Would Labor have sent in the troops like Howard did to East Timor? I doubt it.

    Not to steal their gas … that’s for sure … and not without the USA (under Bush!) whispering in Indonesia’s ear in the background …

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  383. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2015 9:24 pm

    Not to steal their gas … that’s for sure

    I posted a list of Howard govt achievements

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/09/21/exclusive-the-secret-deals-behind-turnbulls-new-front-bench/#comment-116355

    One of them was the Independence of East Timor.

    Does anybody really think the ALP would have done something like that?

    Are you saying Howard did this to steal Indonesia’s gas?

  384. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2015 9:35 pm

    turc is just falling apart for the libs. After spending a week of highly paid lawyers time investigating the cleaning out of old irrelevant documents, now they proudly and loudly fanfared “charges” against Lomax fall down into ashes. In reality, how it ever got this far is the real question. We should have an RC into that?

    Canberra prosecutors will drop a blackmail charge against construction union organiser John Lomax, in an embarrassing twist in one of the highest profile cases emerging from the trade union royal commission.

    The Office of ACT Director of Public Prosecutions has written to defence lawyers to notify of their intention to offer no evidence against Mr Lomax when he next appears in court.

    The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union said the defence would seek costs and indicated Mr Lomax could sue for wrongful arrest.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/prosecutors-to-drop-charges-against-cfmeu-official-and-former-nrl-star-john-lomax-20151001-gjz3bh.html#ixzz3nJYGGMzm
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    We also have the ridiculous situation where kathy jackson is not required back, over millions of missing dollars, but Shorten ‘might’ be called back. Well, I wonder if the biased judge will try and shut him up again when he highlights just how better off workers are when the Unions get involved?

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    nil has that effect 😉

  385. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:04 pm

    Well, I consider I pay too much tax but I don’t try to avoid it (thus far). I just want some value for it. I look at the growth of non productive public servants and the feather bedding and think there is plenty of room to offload some.

    I’ve already said I don’t mind rebalancing the tax effort to eliminate rorts such as those listed by TB. But apparently this isn’t good enough, I have to be in favour of higher a higher tax take by the government.

    The onus is really on TB, Tom R and AO to demonstrate why the tax take should be higher, and why there isn’t any more scope for government efficiency.

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:05 pm

    turc is just falling apart for the libs

    Says the guy who thinks that a union has won when they pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ millions & millions in damages.

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:22 pm

  388. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:42 pm

    AFR take[down] on recent events

    Why Andrew Bolt is wrong about Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull
    http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/why-andrew-bolt-is-wrong-about-tony-abbott-and-malcolm-turnbull-20150929-gjxge4#ixzz3nK2euTOb

    …But Bolt’s shopping list of Abbott injustice is actually right. He wasn’t a failure because he was “a woman hater” or a “crash-through insensitive bully with no people skills” or “too loyal” or “a homophobe”. The real reason was because he listened to people like you, Andrew. And Maurice Newman and Piers Akerman and Miranda Devine, and then wondered why middle Australia could only conclude that he was the weirdo they always suspected he was. That’s why Abbott failed, and you don’t have to be a leftie – not even a little bit – to think so…

    Tony Abbott’s guerilla campaign would make Kevin Rudd blush
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/tony-abbotts-guerilla-campaign-would-make-kevin-rudd-blush-20150930-gjyn7b#ixzz3nK5eqBca

    …None of this should come as a surprise to anyone. It’s what happens when you dump a first term prime minister. There is a guerilla campaign afoot that would make even Kevin Rudd blush…

    …Ultimately, however, he reminded people of why his own side turned against him. His inability to reflect on and acknowledge his own failures, let alone take corrective action, was writ large…

    …Abbott noted correctly that when Labor dumped Rudd for Julia Gillard, “they thought they were doing the right thing”.

    “I took that government to minority status,” he boasted of his prowess as Opposition leader.

    Truth be told, Labor helped him in spades by ripping itself apart, led by the undermining of Rudd and his followers.

    Abbott could well do the same to this government…

  389. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 7:46 am

    The onus is really on TB, Tom R and AO to demonstrate why the tax take should be higher,

    You mean apart from the historical record?

    The level of which provided us with the means for a worlds best educational and health system, until the like of howard and co bastardised them into their stupid “private/public partnerships”, and the resultant drop in services for a higher price.

    Get the tax level back to where it was, and provide those taxes to actual public entities, not this rent seeker trough machine we have now.

    STOP subsidising private health and private schooling. If you want “choice”, pay for it, or, “choose” to send your kid to one of the many fine public schools.

  390. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 7:55 am

    He wasn’t a failure because he was “a woman hater” or a “crash-through insensitive bully with no people skills” or “too loyal” or “a homophobe”. The real reason was because he listened to people like you,

    This also doesn’t mean he wasn’t those things, just that, in the current environment, they aren’t really seen as a detriment to success.

    Mores the pity

    Says the guy who thinks that a union has won when they pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ millions & millions in damages less than everyone said they would.

    So, you ready to say sorry to Lomax yet?

    We should go back to the comment recently (I think ao put it up in relation to Slipper)

    wtte, the legal outcome is largely irrelevant, the guilt is laid in the media reporting your guilt.

    To most, the fact that Lomax doesn’t have a case to answer is irrelevant, he’s already had the taint brush scraped over him, anything now is seen as him just getting away with it.

    Forget the fact that in the real world, it would never have even got this far, but turc isn’t the real world, it is a construct of the rwdb’s for an vacuous media who has as much skin in the game as heydon himself.

  391. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 8:17 am

    And right on time the media show us just how much skin they have in this game

    Since Prime Minister Turnbull’s comment last week that the government would “consider” the issue of Sunday penalty rates – perhaps aligning them to Saturday’s level of 150 per cent of the normal wage instead of Sunday’s 200 per cent – Labor and the unions have gone feral.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/dont-penalise-employment-20151001-gjz0ep#ixzz3nMCl5czz
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    And they then proceed with a feral article with all the old chestnuts, but nothing to back it up. It just is, you know;)

  392. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 9:11 am

    Of course, it is only about Sunday penalty rates, isn’t it?

    Tip, meet iceberg.

    As a Victorian business, this holiday will cost VECCI over $120,000 through lost revenue, paying people not to come to work and operating our advice line service to members and clients. – See more at: http://www.vecci.org.au/policy-and-advocacy/news/media-releases/2015/09/30/victorian-business-be-hit-cost-grand-final-friday#sthash.XFO05eat.dpuf

    If they haven’t factored that bolded bit into their operating costs, then they are probably as “qualified” to run a business as yomm was to read numbers.

  393. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 9:20 am

    How much tax does the nation lose when business refuses to pay workers correctly?

  394. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 9:51 am

    From your link ao

    being exploited on low wages and believing they have no power to ask for their rights.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/investigations/black-jobs-rampant-exploitation-of-foreign-workers-in-australia-revealed-20150930-gjxz7q.html#ixzz3nMai6moq
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    And the Unions already have their arms tide that tight, yet the grubmint and their business mates want to cut them off further.

  395. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 10:27 am

    I have to say, this is welcome news, although, the devil will be in the detail. But at least it IS being talked about.

    The federal government has been given the green light by business, industry, unions and community groups to target tax concessions, including those on superannuation, as part of a reform package it will take to the next federal election.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/turnbulls-summit-greenlights-super-tax-reform-20150930-gjyn5p#ixzz3nMj2Tg00
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    And this might bring a tear to the eye of the likes of yomm and other qualifieds

    And while the government is committed to keeping the tax take as a proportion of the economy capped at the peak 23.6 per cent reached during the Howard years,

    But the best part of the story is how yabot made it all about himself yesterday

    He’s still Labors best chance of winning the next election

    The difference between him and rudd, rudd had finesse.

    Both still assholes

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 10:44 am

    …But the best part of the story is how yabot made it all about himself yesterday
    He’s still Labors best chance of winning the next election…

    Yes, abbott’s not going “to lay down and die” he needs killing off.

    Malcolm makes sure he bounces back in his own inimitable style.

    To us plebs there’s a difference between manspreading on a tram and being chauffered around in a bullet proof BMW into your closest lib friendly business to spruik slogans.

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 10:46 am

    C’MON MILKUM! This is what TECHNOLOGY and INNOVATION for the FUTURE is ALL about!

    As an qualified and classified commercial banker you must know that to make money you have to spend money … and the added bonus is that it provides a service to society AND profit for the government …

    “Australia is almost unique in that every home and business has access to plentiful sunshine. Australia also has some of the most efficient solar installers in the world and some of the lowest costs for solar systems, [so it’s] already a no brainer to install solar for many people.

    “Storage will allow people to benefit more from their solar systems.”

    And local governments are recognising demand by incentivising solar energy storage. In June, Adelaide City Council added to existing incentives to subsidising up to $5,000 of the cost of energy storage.

    For Edward, schemes like these will help recognise the potential for storage in Australia – predicted by Morgan Stanley to reach $24 billion.

    “The ability to reach $24 billion is a question of how fast we can achieve significant uptake. Australia is falling behind economies such as Germany and California in terms of energy storage uptake – both these locations have seen the value of energy storage, which allows them to increase the uptake of solar PV and other renewable technologies.

    “Because Germany and California value these benefits, they have created a system of incentives and mandates to speed the uptake of storage. If Australia wants to achieve this $24bn quickly, it will have to consider similar steps.”

    http://aglsolar.com.au/batteries-included/?utm_campaign=july&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc

  398. October 2, 2015 11:14 am

    You didn’t miss much Walrus..

    Well except for the fact, that Talcum knifed Abbott, Abetz is saying that millions are quitting the Liberal party because of Turnbull, Kevin Andrews has been begging to keep his job, Abbott has been telling a sob story of sorrow to anyone who’ll care to listen, Cory Bernardi wants to form a new conservative party, Julie Bishop’s started a new war in Syria, and Bill Shorten’s gone into witness protection.

    How long were you away for again?

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:17 am

    I can think of some big savings to be made where waste is abundant.

    Defence
    Security
    Immigration/Border Force

    Those departments are a black hole of waste and unaccountability.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Public_Service
    [wiki] …Other commentators, including political scientist Richard Mulgan, have argued that rhetoric in 2013 about a bloated APS is ill-informed and unsustainable, if service benchmarks are to be met.[45] Rob Burgess, in a Business Spectator article in November 2012 argued that efficiency dividends imposed on the public service are actually delivering one of the world’s leaner public sectors.[46]…

  400. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:18 am

    Back in the old days there were hordes of public service clerks filing records, writing letters, filling out forms. The public service was extremely labour intensive.

    Now seamless technology looks after all that.

    But according to Tom R we need the public sector to return the monolithic size that it was at its peak!

    He thinks the biggest public sector we have ever had is the model of best practice, that’s this demonstrates there is no inefficiency left, to ease the burden on the people that prop it up.

  401. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:18 am

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/11/19/politics/public-servant-job-cuts-were-never-secret

    …Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey and others seem to have become so convinced that Labor’s problems were on the expenditure side, rather than the revenue side, that they apparently didn’t think to check what a 2 per cent per year reduction in the public service would add up to.

    Had they fired up the Coalition calculator, one of their best election slogans – “end the waste” – would have been neutralised.

    Yes, Australian voters were conned by the 12,000 figure – if it were added to the plans in the budget to cut more than 13,000, it would have been utterly unachievable.

    But thanks to the distraction of Kevin Rudd’s campaign gaffe, it is now Finance Minister Mathias Cormann and Treasurer Joe Hockey who have to explain why they failed to see these public service cuts in the budget.

    Those jobs cuts were never secret…

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:21 am

    The onus is really on TB, Tom R and AO to demonstrate why the tax take should be higher, and why there isn’t any more scope for government efficiency.

    BTW no-one said tax should be raised including GST …

    IF … you get rid of the items on my list and it will reduce or eliminate any need to increase tax …… but neither should they be lowered …

    … my own tax rate between 1963 and 1992 was always higher than yours is now … and from 1992 till 2005 I paid tax BEFORE I earned anything – as a small business – plus income taxes …

    The selfishness of the current rightwing supporters, such as yourself, is to take from the old, the poor, the sick and the weak, the ADF – (who, in this case can’t fight back), the unemployed, the school kids and the uni students …

    But the people really ripping you and your tax off are the beneficiaries of:

    ► Negative gearing

    ► Trust funds

    ► Super tax for the rich

    ► Multinational tax avoidance

    ► Pollies perqs past and present

    The people I mentioned above only have one vote every three years (some of the victims – not even that!) … thank goodness its no more than three!

    I did have an amusing thought pop into my mind on my walk … takes me an hour so gives me quite a lot of free thinking time …

    … it began with me wondering about MT delaying the rise in university fees … and all the other “policies” he’s hanging on to that really were not Abbott’s but the LNP’s …

    … then I thought, what if this is all a Machiavellian plot against the Australian electorate … to keep the LNP in power … ?

    … MT is far more popular than TA and it was inevitable that TA would lose the next
    election …

    … Abbott is going to contest 2016, from the back bench … he’s really a coward and it strikes me that, that is out of character … he should be running but he’s not …

    … what if TA has, either very powerful friends > ✟ < or dirt on the Liberal Party Puppet Masters … or both?

    … use MT to win the 2016 election … Abbott is re-elected to re-push the agenda … Turnbull becomes Treasurer … everyone is happy … in the LNP …

    But not Australia … !

    I mean … the shit that's already gone on since 2007? Who knows? Mmmm?

  403. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:26 am

    But according to Tom R we need the public sector to return the monolithic size that it was at its peak!

    link?

  404. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:29 am

    And while the government is committed to keeping the tax take as a proportion of the economy capped at the peak 23.6 per cent reached during the Howard years,

    So now we are back to the Howard govt being a high taxing govt. Lefties just say things depending on what side of the bed they get out of. It used to be that the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget.

  405. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:31 am

    From the article ao

    abor made many mistakes (also listed in the above article), but the pace of its fiscal consolidation – on the expenditure side – was not one of them.

    I’ll just let that sit there for a while, and quietly contemplate how much this mob has blown it back out again, for no reason except to pad their mates pockets

  406. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:34 am

    Lefties just say things depending on what ……… the facts are? 😉

  407. I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:41 am

    “How long were you away for again?”

    4 weeks.

  408. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:44 am

    Yea, of course turnball isn’t going to attack workers holiday rates, is he 😉

  409. I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:46 am

    “I did have an amusing thought pop into my mind on my walk ……….”

    Really…………….like what ?

    If the cops arrest a mute, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?

    If a book about failures doesn’t sell, is it a success?

  410. Dissaving Private Pete permalink
    October 2, 2015 12:33 pm

    It used to be…

    http://www.australiandebtclock.com.au/history

  411. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2015 1:05 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/chinese-ownership-of-australian-debt-much-higher-than-thought/6821346?section=business

    China may own as much as 20 per cent of all Australian Government debt according to big Canadian investment bank RBC…….Currently the Australian Office of Financial Management (AOFM) needs to borrow around $70 billion a year to cover maturing government debt as well as a federal budget deficit which is forecast to be around $25 billion next year.

    Brought to you by TB of Queensland, Reb, Toilet, Walrus, AO and any other deadbeat who voted for Rudd in 2007.

    But TB of Queensland voted for Rudd because he cares for the poor. Well we may be all poor soon because of people like TB of Queensland.

  412. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 2:26 pm

    “…I mean … the shit that’s already gone on since 2007? Who knows? Mmmm?…”

    Don’t forget the part that abetz played in the utegate/grech affair. I always thought he set malcolm up for that fall on behalf of the uglies.
    Notice abetz was one of the fist to be dumped?

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 4:42 pm

    I always thought he set malcolm up for that fall on behalf of the uglies.

    I also suspected Brough … but look where he is … Gawd forbid … and of course he got away with that so moved on to Ashby/Slipper …

    4 weeks.

    Must be nice to earn your annual income in a month …

    Just sayin’ … 😉

    _____________________

    BTW, the Australian Clock is now in my Favourites! Thanks DPP!

  414. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 4:52 pm

    “…Brought to you by TB of Queensland, Reb, Toilet, Walrus, AO and any other deadbeat who voted for Rudd in 2007…”

    Nope, I’m not guilty of voting for rudd!

  415. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 4:59 pm

    John Quiggin says there are some for – profit, post school education bodies we should stop funding.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/10/01/some-post-school-education-bodies-we-could-do-without/

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 6:59 pm

    Nope, I’m not guilty of voting for rudd!

    Nor me … I voted for the ALP … he just happened to be the leader at the time …

    And what, Kneel, or other RWNJ don’t get is that if the ALP fucks up we give ’em a hard time … if the LNP fuck up their supporters try to fudge it and defend it … BIG difference!

    EG … I was appalled when the ALP reduced support to single mums and said so, in my usual quiet way … nowt from the right AT ALL! Zip, zero, zilch ……….

    And that’s when we started calling the ALP … LNP Lite …

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 7:09 pm

    The problem with Western media …

    UPDATE: Two armed men walked into police station at Parramatta and were reportedly shot dead. #9News

    5:10 PM – 2 Oct 2015

    As much use as BOM …

    How much do these people get paid?

  418. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 7:24 pm

    The real problem with organised religion and a little knowledge is dangerous!

    The news comes as Mercer was reported to be a Nazi fanatic who targeted Christians in his murderous rampage.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/umpqua-community-college-shooting-gunman-killed-after-massacre-that-left-10-dead/story-fnh81jut-1227553542344

    The Nazis – including – Adolf Hitler – were theists and indubitably Christian … of many splinters …

    For those who don’t read this blog regularly, I’m agnostic – raised C of E …

    … and I was told as a child that JC was murdered by Jews and that’s why people don’t like ’em … FFS JC was “purportedly” a —- Jew …

  419. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2015 9:30 pm

    Nope. In 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. One of the few countries in the world in that position.

    People said JH was too old, not relevant etc etc.

    Did not take long did it.

    70% of our govt debt which was zero in 2007 is now foreign owned. This is not good for Australia

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:00 pm

    But TB of Queensland voted for Rudd because he cares for the poor.

    And that’s a bad thing?

  421. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:21 pm

    Rupert Murdoch scolded tabloid for unfavourable coverage of Campbell Newman, book reveals
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/02/campbell-newman-calls-media-pack-of-bastards-over-his-treatment-as-premier

    …“A number of News Corporation insiders have said that Murdoch made it clear he wasn’t happy with the Courier Mail’s coverage of the LNP government, and he let Fagan know about it at that April editor’s meeting [in 2013],” the book says.

    “Fagan was defensive and told his boss the paper’s coverage was a reflection of the Government’s culling of 14,000 public servants. Murdoch reportedly leaned in and pointedly told Fagan the premier should’ve sacked thousands more of them.”

    It then says Fagan was dismissed a few months later…

    Less than expected
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/less-than-expected.html

    The three-word slogans, three-word slogans
    Peter Martin doesn’t blame the press gallery for the gap between expectations of and performance by Morrison. He blames Turnbull for talking Morrison up. In reality, Morrison was foisted on Turnbull, and nobody in the press gallery demurred.

    Morrison is doing the three-word slogans for two reasons: first, he’s nervous. He’s resorting to what he knows, what got him into the position in the first place…

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2015 11:51 pm

    And “Good Government” begins … when? LOL!

    A string of Cabinet ministers have come forward in support of dumped prime minister Tony Abbott, saying he has the right to defend his legacy.

    Cabinet minister Christopher Pyne said he welcomed Mr Abbott’s input following a series of media interviews detailing last month’s leadership change.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/ministers-come-out-in-support-of-dumped-abbott-after-interviews/6822528

    In cinemas now!

    “Australian Sniper”

    starring … Tony Abbott

    Co-starring:

    Chrissy Pyne

    and

    Matty Cormann …

  423. public toilet permalink
    October 3, 2015 2:41 am

    You just resumed hostilities by lying about me directly, kneel.

  424. October 3, 2015 7:17 am

    “”Brought to you by TB of Queensland, Reb, Toilet, Walrus, AO and any other deadbeat who voted for Rudd in 2007.””

    Actually I didn’t vote for Rudd in 2007, not that it matters, but that kind of makes you just an idiotic fuckwit doesn’t it Neil.

    Not that we needed anymore proof.

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2015 8:53 am

    The IPA and other losers of the Tony Abbott guard:
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/10/03/the-ipa-and-other-losers-the-tony-abbott-guard/14437944002456

  426. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2015 10:46 am

  427. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2015 10:56 am

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2015 2:35 pm

    Actually I didn’t vote for Rudd in 2007

    Yes, that’s right, sreb, if I recall, you were still lost somewhere in the Taswegian highlands with all those sheep? 😉

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2015 7:05 pm

    Now I’m not a big fan of Kate Cerebrano … but I am a singer … and this is really stupid …

    Ceberano appeared to sing: “In history’s stage let every stage advance Australia fair”.

    Which should be … “In history’s page, let every stage”

    And the twitterarteri go fkn nuts … over not a word … really … but a “letter” … P …

    FFS … grow up …

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/kate-ceberano-messes-up-the-australian-national-anthem-at-the-afl-grand-final/story-fndv7pj3-1227555514929

    In fact after cringing at so many people stuffing up so many national anthems over the years … not just ours …

    I THOUGHT KATE DID A GREAT JOB!

    P – FFS!

  430. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 3, 2015 8:04 pm

    1billion locking up refugees,

    These were the people ALP/Greens locked up. $11B was spent by Rudd/Gillard on housing the 50,000 boat people they locked up. Of course this expense continues.

    Only people as shameless as the ALP/Greens would blame this cost on the Coalition.

    Oh and Labor also locked up 2,000 kids.

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 4:57 pm

    Dontcha just love the hypocrisy of the catliks and demonstrating love and peace in the world …

    THE Vatican has reacted furiously after a Polish priest employed as a senior official publicly declared his homosexuality on the eve of a bishops’ synod set to touch on the divisive issue of the Catholic Church’s relationship to gay believers.

    In a statement, a spokesman for Pope Francis said Krzystof Charamsa’s action had been “very serious and irresponsible”, and that the priest would be automatically kicked out of his post as a theologian in the Vatican.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-krzystof-charamsa-who-came-out-ahead-of-synod/story-fnh81p7g-1227556121823

    Can’t have gays and women preaching the word of such a loving dog … hey!

    Fkn hypocrites all …

  432. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2015 5:02 pm

    Apparently it is racist (these days) to generalise (in a negative way) about a religion and its adherents.

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2015 5:21 pm

    …and by the way TB, you seem confused about the share of tax take.

    As I’ve said, I’m entirely happy to close the loopholes you’ve nominated, but the additional revenue should be used to reduce the tax burden for those of us that choose not to try to find loopholes and pay a lot of tax.

    As I’ve said, your proposal simply results in a higher tax take by the government.

    Do you think the government is run as efficiently as possible, with no room for improvement?

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 8:21 pm

    Do you think the government is run as efficiently as possible, with no room for improvement?

    I could reply in number of sarcastic/cynical ways to that question, ToM (but I think that’s what you’re********* hoping for) …

    All my working life I’ve said, ” I have never minded paying taxes, but I do complain about how the bastards spend it!”

    No government cares that taxes belong to the people …

  435. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 8:34 pm

    …and by the way TB, you seem confused about the share of tax take.

    Why on earth am I confused, ToM? And what is “share of the tax take” for goodness sake? 🙂

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 8:43 pm

    Now you would think that I would have faith in someone who must value the need for medication to function normally … if that’s what Andrew Robb actually does … but I can’t seem to … somehow … it’s disturbing to listen to him … as usual …

    The trade minister, Andrew Robb, has said Australia and the United States are within striking distance of a deal on the monopoly period for biologics medicines which could seal the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) …

    … For the TPP, the US has proposed an eight-year monopoly period which includes five years of data exclusivity plus an additional three years of “pharmacovigilance” which would in effect keep cheaper versions off the market for eight years. Australia, New Zealand and Chile have consistently opposed the move.

    Robb has consistently maintained the five-year cap on data exclusivity, telling US negotiators that the period was effectively closer to six or seven years due to the approval processes required.

    Trans-Pacific Partnership could pose risk to public healthcare, leaked draft shows

    “The US has got a different system to us, so to try and accommodate both our needs is very difficult,” Robb told reporters in Atlanta on Saturday night.

    As of the last round of talks, it is unclear whether Australia’s position has changed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/04/andrew-robb-australia-and-us-close-to-drug-patent-compromise-for-tpp-deal

    And anyone who can’t understand:

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy!

    Just don’t get it!

    Wealth before health?

    Typical Yankee Uber Kapitalism thinking … and its destroying their own society … now they want to destroy ours … shakes head!

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 8:53 pm

    Pollies perqs …

    As a former prime minister, she is entitled to an office, a small staff, 40 free domestic flights a year (with spouse), free home and mobile phones, a private car and other benefits.

    WTF is a “small staff”?

    In my world if you LOSE your job you find another one … egalitarian society my arse!

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/world-calls-for-gillard-20130717-2q5ez.touch.html?eid=cpc:nnn-14omn2219-optim-nnn:outbrain-outbrain_paid-dom-displayad-nnn-dlf-nnn&campaign_code=15caf005&promote_channel=sem&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=paid%20outbrain

    Speaking of “share of the tax take” … ToM?

  438. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 4, 2015 10:09 pm

    …As I’ve said, I’m entirely happy to close the loopholes you’ve nominated, but the additional revenue should be used to reduce the tax burden for those of us that choose not to try to find loopholes and pay a lot of tax…

    There is something in what you say tomM, but how do we ever make things better if people expect any additional revenue to come back to them? that’s how the this whole notion of entitlement started, when howard started gifting surpluses as bribes for votes in middle class welfare. Now families [with kids] expect to get more back in rebates and bonuses than they pay out in tax.
    What about nation building and sustaining investment?
    I’d rather it was put into a decent NBN, NDIS, health & education system where it benefits all australians.

    I’d much rather see the rent seekers get their drip feed of govt money cut off, then there could be lower taxes for the rest of us.

  439. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 4, 2015 10:39 pm

    Stop all this privatisation cancer that is choking people with higher costs and poor servicing. I wish that we could forcibly take back all the services and utilities from the rentseeking predators that have exploited workers and consumers alike. They are the crony capitalist cancer eating away at our society, trickle up neoliberal zombie economics!
    🙂

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 4, 2015 10:41 pm

    I’d rather it was put into a decent NBN, NDIS, health & education system where it benefits all australians.

    And that is why ALP/Greens will always get us into debt. There are always wonderful programs to send money on but you have to make a decision what to spend money on with limited resources.

    And the ALP cannot stop its spending. There is always a new hospital you could build, a new railway line etc etc. Just study your history. Some Coalition govts have trashed the budget but it always happens with Labor.

    The trouble is that govts have access to the world largest credit card- govt debt.

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2015 11:50 pm

    And the ALP cannot stop its spending. There is always a new hospital you could build, a new railway line etc etc. Just study your history.

    Well we know your past and your future …

  442. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 5, 2015 6:02 am

    Well we know your past and your future …

    I was just pointing out why a Labor govt will never run surplus budgets and will always get us into debt. And they do it in a moralistic way. We are spending this money to help people the ALP proclaims.

  443. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2015 9:58 am

    but how do we ever make things better if people expect any additional revenue to come back to them?”

    I think there is still plenty of inefficiency in the public service (at all levels) and plenty on the expenditure side too.

    Increasing the overall tax burden is just a short cut to allowing the government to continue with unacceptable levels of inefficiency.

    Here’s a few ideas for efficiency in the public sector-

    • More outsourcing rather than direct employment of public servants – contestability seems to have stalled
    • Extend the “mutual obligation” to all welfare recipients, other than old age pensioners
    • End retirement before 65 for public servants who receive the defined benefits superannuation scheme

    …until these types of initiatives are in place, all the revenue gained by tightening the tax loopholes should be returned to the people who pay their taxes.

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2015 10:52 am

    Y’know I’ve been waiting all weekend … but apart from a couple of one sentence statements, the silence from Muslim leaders in Australia has been deafening concerning the murder of the police employee in Sydney …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    ToM can you explain a couple of words/terms you use?

    “contestability” (BTW one of the issues with outsourcing is nepotism and cronyism)

    “mutual obligation” (are you referring to a payback system like HECS or … in the case of ADF training – eg degrees or apprenticeships – a payback time period … six years for trades and I think its nine for degrees)

  445. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2015 11:19 am

    Contestability – putting an existing service out to tender to establish whether it can be provided at a better price for the taxpayer.

    Mutual obligation – the (odd?) notion that if someone is in receipt of taxpayer funded welfare, they should have an obligation to perform community service to the level of their capacity. The minimum wage of about $20 an hour is a fair guide for calculating the number of hours they should devote to their mutual obligation.

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2015 12:22 pm

    Re contestability … I would have thought this is already in place … eg my biggest “rival” as an RTO was TAFE (I often ended up doing the work they had tendered against me for) …

    Although this isn’t exactly related to tax reform … is it?

    As for “community service” I do know that many seniors (not yet pension age but too old to get a job – eg over 45, the reality of the job market, not the wishful thinking) – are actually paid to get involved in community work … a friend and his wife in their early sixties ferry old folks around from a retirement home …

    So these things are happening, whether they could be expanded is a moot point … one of the strong arguments against work for the dole is that employers and or councils etc will take advantage of what amounts to free labour …

    What really needs to happen is for the Federal government to get cracking on infrastructure and regional projects to and supporting business and government start ups in renewable energy manufacturing projects …

    Renewable energy would open up Asia in so many things … from education, to business, to health improvements … and we could easily be the major player …

    As an aside when I was the production manager for a solar hot water company we were experimenting with a solar powered refrigerator and a simple solar collector that could heat up water … firewood is scarce in many third world countries … our “solar burner” could burn a piece of broom handle in half within thirty seconds … pity the business ran out of money and no support from any government (except visits from pollies and very, very senior ADF officers!)

  447. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 1:19 pm

    Contestability – so tired of that word already, privatisation by another name. Doesn’t sound nearly as bad does it? But the end product is the same, the service will be sold off cheaply to private enterprise.

    Campbell newman was very fond of ‘contestability’ too.

    I hope contestability meets the same fate as newman.

    I would much prefer a public service working for the good of the community, with all of the checks and balances and due diligence it entails, rather than free marketeer cowboys [cronies] looking to make a quick and unearned profit off the back of taxpayer funded services.

    The people who bear the enormous entry and exit costs of the market into the service is always the taxpaying public, something that the free market missionaries don’t advertise much, since they believe that there should be no entry and exit barriers to themselves. The users are forced to pay more for services they already own collectively.

    So tomM, have you gone the full libertarian these days?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contestable_market

  448. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 2:04 pm

    Zombie Economics
    How Dead Ideas Still Walk Among Us

    => The Great Moderation: the idea that the period beginning in 1985 was one of unparalleled macroeconomic stability;
    => The Efficient Markets hypotheses: the idea that the prices generated by financial markets represent the best possible estimate of the value of any investment;
    => Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium: the idea that macroeconomic analysis should not concern itself with microeconomic aggregates like trade balances or debt levels but should be rigorously derived from microeconomic models of individual behaviour;
    => Trickle down economics: the idea that policies that benefit the well-off will ultimately benefit everybody;
    => Privatization: the idea that any function now undertaken by government could be done better by private firms; and
    => Austerity; the belief that the best response to a crisis like that of the present is for governments to balance their own books and wait for the private sector to recover.

  449. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2015 2:06 pm

    I would much prefer a public service working for the good of the community

    Me too!!

    But unfortunately I don’t think that’s the case. I think they’re mainly interested in maximising their pay/benefits and minimising their work and responsibilities.

    For example – the defined benefit superannuation that gets them to retire about 10 years earlier than everyone else. They’re not working for the good of the community, they’re just serving time until they take an endless holiday at the expense of the taxpayer.

    As for contestability, I had some association with a couple of projects a while ago. My favorite case study is –

    • A defined activity was packaged up, and put out for tender.
    • 640 people did the work in the public sector
    • Measured reliability was about 85%
    • The work was characterised by poor safety, high workers compensation expenses and lots of industrial relations disputes
    • After the outsourcing there were about 200 people doing the work (many were former employees)
    • Reliability improved by 10%
    • There was a new sense of community service, as opposed to the previous conflict model

    There was no neopotism, only better, cheaper, safer and more reliable service. Some people just aren’t in favour of those types of things.

  450. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 2:25 pm

    Labor’s twin crises: Malcolm Turnbull and Jeremy Corbyn:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/labors-twin-crises-malcolm-and-jeremy,8226

    …However signs have been building for some time that the vein of discontent runs very deep, here and abroad. Corbyn, and others like him, could win…

    In fact, the grand neoliberal experiment in social engineering, begun around 1980, and based on individualism and free markets, has failed…

    …But how is Australia served by having two conservative parties? The ALP needs to listen to the average punters who have long since felt betrayed and abandoned. The UK membership has spoken and propelled Corbyn to the top. Whether he can succeed will depend on the willingness of the old elite to go along on the adventure.

    Unfortunately, there is little sign the ALP elite will loosen their tight control of the party machine. If they do not, they may find they are rapidly squeezed out of relevance by independents and minor parties, including the canny Nick Xenophon.

    My hope is that the ALP will expand its view and change. However, my expectation is that well within a decade the world will have changed dramatically and an ossified ALP will be a spent force…

  451. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 2:44 pm

    For example – the defined benefit superannuation that gets them to retire about 10 years earlier than everyone else. They’re not working for the good of the community, they’re just serving time until they take an endless holiday at the expense of the taxpayer.

    Perhaps that was the reward for loyal, long term service with the one employer, working at a lower pay than in the private sector, knowing you are serving the community and not yourself?

    Defined Benefits has been phased out now hasn’t it? It’s Accumulated Benefits. I thought that only the older public servants who commenced on that scheme are still on it. I do think everyone on it should have been forced to change over about a decade ago though, they should have been able to change their retirement plans in that time. If new PS are still getting it, pretty sure it’s not the plebs like nurses, admin and middle managers, it’s probably the upper management on contracts looking after themselves!
    They shouldn’t get it though especially as now we have to work longer and longer before retirement and people are living much longer.

  452. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 5, 2015 3:04 pm

    I would much prefer a public service working for the good of the community, with all of the checks and balances and due diligence it entails, rather than free marketeer cowboys [cronies] looking to make a quick and unearned profit off the back of taxpayer funded services.

    That comment reminds me a little bit about what some people said about Communist countries. For example Communist country airlines would be safer than Western airlines because Western planes have to make a profit. But the opposite is true. Would anybody want to fly Aeroflot? The freemarket produced better quality planes than Communist govts did.

    And the service was better in Western airlines.

    There is something about working for the govt that makes people work less efficiently.

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2015 3:08 pm

    Yes the defined benefits system is being phased out because it was too generous and taxpayers had to fund an ever increasing bill. That doesn’t stop the continuing sense of entitlement for some of the overheads.

    It’s a long time since the public service was lowly paid. These days the know exactly how to rort the classification system.

  454. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 3:16 pm

    Sydney Water was to be contestable wasn’t it? That was the one where Arfur the Dodger was going to make himself millions?

    There was no neopotism, only better, cheaper, safer and more reliable service

    According to whom, the clients or the business management?

    In Qld Health, the outsourcing was everywhere, the public were forced to use outpatient services rather than in-hospital services at a much greater cost to themselves, there was no competition choice for them, it was die waiting or go private. New grad nurses couldn’t get jobs in an under supplied market, they were told to “go to the private hospitals”. Govt departments were not allowed to spend any money, everything was stalled.

    I’m guessing that cost to the taxpayer, private debt, doesn’t count right?

  455. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2015 3:29 pm

    So you had a whinge about something that is already obsolete and irrelevant to most PS as an example of PS greed and grandeur! 😆

    …It’s a long time since the public service was lowly paid. These days the know exactly how to rort the classification system…

    If only private enterprise could run everything! There’d be no nepotism, cronyism, corruption, exploitation, wage inequity, or jobs for the boys at all!
    Everything would be perfect and employees could never be more happy or secure in their pittance paid working lives!

    🙄

  456. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2015 9:00 pm

    Chuckle … welcome to ToM’s World …

  457. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 9:25 am

    Some very interesting and mostly “true dat” comments after this article …

    … it reads like an advertising brief …

    From cars to cough medicine: why the Trans-Pacific Partnership matters to you

    After five years of talks, a wide-ranging trade deal is close between Pacific rim countries which could have long-reaching economic consequences. Here is what you need to know about the TPP

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/05/from-cars-to-cough-medicine-why-the-trans-pacific-partnership-matters-to-you

  458. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2015 9:33 am

    I happened to have to put up with listening to a couple of public servants over dinner recently – young fit people – about my age!

    They were discussing their plan to take their defined benefits retirement scheme because it didn’t make financial sense to keep working!

    …and apparently work isn’t what it used to be, with all the forms to fill out and budgets to comply with!

    So just give it away and put the burden on the taxpayers! Honestly, what privileged planet do these people live on?

    There should be no retirement on defined benefits until 65.

  459. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2015 9:59 am

    There should be no retirement on defined benefits until 65.

    I had a council worker friend who retired at 55 on a defined benefit scheme. I think these schemes are now banned since they are too generous and unaffordable.

    Super became compulsory in 1992 but lots of govt type workers had Super before 1992. University workers had Super well before 1992 and on DBS as well.Same as always. Anybody who has access to govt/taxpayers money eventually abuses that money.

    Same with budget deficits. When you have access to the worlds largest credit card, govt debt, it is easy to whack another program on the credit card to make a govt look caring.

  460. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 9:59 am

    Do you think the government is run as efficiently as possible, with no room for improvement?

    Of course there is room for improvement.

    Let’s start with using public moneys to finance public institutions rather than private ones. Why should the taxpayer fund private companies that only push up the cost of scant resources? Unfortunately, I see shorten has chased after this model on hte weekend. Muppet.

    Let’s examine just why we have paid Telstra millions for tonnes of coppper that will cost more to maintain and remove and is essentially useless in a modern infrastructure?

    We should STOP outsourcing or Public Service. We want the knowledge and experience to stay with us, not the private rentseekers, as in the case when this mob cut the compliance department at the ato, allowing tax cheats to further cheat, and with the added bonus of being able to hire these recently sacked professionals who can now advice them how to cheat even better.

    I think they’re mainly interested in maximising their pay/benefits and minimising their work and responsibilities.

    You keep saying this, but never produce any hard examples, just blatherings about biscuits and cardigans, oh yea, and now your (totally unsourced of course) favorite case study

    Here’s a case study. The gutting of TAFE, and the public funding of private “trainers” who are there to make money before training outcomes.

    Studies (Word Document) show that, overall, the outcomes from both are similar. But said studies also mention, but don’t specifically apply this to outcomes, that TAFE takes in far more financially or distance disadvantaged, handicapped and or unemployed students than do RTO’s.

    Luckily, SA has moved back from this model of publicly funding private enterprise to “train” people in a profit based environment back to a more rounded TAFE approach.

    young fit people – about my age!

    nuff said 😉

  461. October 6, 2015 10:11 am

    young fit people – about my age!

    OHWLALAL…!

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:25 am

    The gutting of TAFE, and the public funding of private “trainers” who are there to make money before training outcomes.

    Have to agree with that … I used to complain … heartily! … at three day Cert IV Assessment & Workplace Training … (although TAFE was no better) …

    A mechanic has a Cert !V to fix yer fkn car! And it takes four years! I can assure you training trainers and assessors is far more complicated if done properly.

  463. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:35 am

    if done properly.

    And that’s the central point, isn’t it.

    I remember my bosses when I was an apprentice complaining about all the “useless” stuff we learnt at TAFE.

    Funnily enough, talking to other apprentices there, their bosses had the same whinge, just over different aspects of the course that their particular industry/company weren’t interested in.

    They chose not to see that we were being trained as tradesmen, not company specific workers.

    I saw later on that the RTO’s were quite tailored to specific industries/companies, and that they would adapt their learning to suit each client, cutting down class times dramatically.

    With swathes of learning missed for expedience.

  464. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:02 am

    They were discussing their plan to take their defined benefits retirement scheme because it didn’t make financial sense to keep working!

    Just out of interest tomM, what type of work do they do?

    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/10/01/some-post-school-education-bodies-we-could-do-without/

    …First, there’s the Australian Skills Quality Authority, which is supposed to regulate the quality of vocational education. AQSA’s performance makes the Greyhound Racing Queensland Board look good

    In 2012, when I wrote a report on vocational education, it was common knowledge that the for-profit education sector was comprehensively rotten, particularly in Victoria where the push to privatisation began. This ABC report suggests that ASQA was on the case. But three years later, the only thing that has changed is that the rot has spread nationwide. All the big names in the industry – Evocca, Aspire and so on – are engaged in practices like using laptops as inducement to recruit low-income students who have no chance of either completing their courses or repaying their HECS-HELP debts. There’s no surprise here – it’s exactly the business model of US for-profits like the University of Phoenix.

    The right solution is to stop giving any public money to for-profit education businesses…

  465. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:22 am

    I remember my bosses when I was an apprentice complaining about all the “useless” stuff we learnt at TAFE.

    Like WH & S and best practice? They even learn a bit about running a small business don’t they?

  466. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:26 am

    The right solution is to stop giving any public money to for-profit education businesses…

    Or health ………

  467. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:33 am

    AO – 1 was a relatively senior manager in local government, the other was in the state education system.

  468. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:35 am

    From an economist way smarter than Quiggin: How the Left’s ‘solutions’ make things worse

  469. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:35 am

    …and the private non TAFE sector is an absolute disgrace, it’s full of shonky types who would otherwise be involved in government projects like installing ceiling insulation at taxpayer expense.

  470. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 1:01 pm

    With swathes of learning missed for expedience.

    Indeed … and yet some of the biggest international mining/mining equipment companies employed me “because” I insisted on knowledge AND skills … and proper assessment of both …

    As for trade training I guess my own laid a firm foundation … five years … four years at college – two three hour nights after work and a full day every fortnight. The last year was referred to as the journeyman year, where traditionally you leave your employer and travelled to get experience with other employers … in reality it allowed employers to not pay you for doing a tradies job!

    Even my son who did a four year army apprenticeship and is now an ops manager in the auto repair industry complains about the quality …

    … the main reason I believe? The employers have abrogated THEIR responsibility to employ apprentices to Group Training Schemes … one of the most inefficient ways to train young people I know …

    The irony? The number of employees who complain about the quality of tradies today!

  471. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 1:06 pm

    … and the private non TAFE sector is an absolute disgrace, it’s full of shonky types

    I agree! Having fought quite a few of them, particularly when the NTS was initially introduced … but then you could say that about any industry, government and enterprise …

    … in 1992 … there was only one degree offered in Human Resource Development – at UniSA … and at that time there was barely a dozen graduates, in the country … and probably the only people who could spell competency based learning … let alone practise it!

  472. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 1:28 pm

    Thomas Sowell: Idiot Emeritus:
    https://otoolefan.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/thomas-sowell-idiot-emeritus/

    Thomas Sowell, the corporate shill face of right wing insanity, who wants the US to be taken over by force in a military led, bloodless right wing coup to restore right wing government and values to the country? Thomas Sowell who compared Obama to Hitler because Obama made BP pay $20 billion for the gulf coast victims of their oil spill?

    Police States Are Effective at Policing: Thomas Sowell
    http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2014/08/police-states-are-effective-at-policing-thomas-sowell.html

    …Here is what happens when you have decided the wingnut welfare is just that sweet, you’ll be glad to argue out your ass. Thomas Sowell, for fuck’s sake…

  473. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 1:34 pm

    This brave new australia is a worry, if they do this to people who know the law, what do they get away with for others?

  474. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 1:46 pm

    Don’t say weekend rates needed for private school fees, Labor.

    Yes, that is a statement I think Shorten will wish he hadn’t uttered AO.

    I certainly wish he hadn’t 😉

  475. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 2:29 pm

  476. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2015 2:34 pm

    Seems like Shorten thinks that sending your kids to a private school is something to aim for.

  477. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 3:26 pm

    Yes, that is a statement I think Shorten will wish he hadn’t uttered AO.

    much picked up on already tomR.

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/michael-lucy/2015/05/2015/1444023671/still-faceless-after-all-these-years

    …The other problem is the assumption about private schools: in the imagined Australia that Shorten is addressing, low-income earners are simply doing the right thing by scrimping and saving to pay for a decent education for their kids. In the education system as currently constituted this may be the case, but you might hope that a Labor government would aim a little higher: rather than making it easier for everyone to buy a little slice of privilege, why not try to improve the public system so that it’s not just a fallback for people who can’t afford better?

    But Bill Shorten isn’t known for his vision or conviction: from his union days on he has been an expert at working the system, not someone who tries to change it. A would-be prime minister needs to do a little bit better than that…

  478. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2015 3:37 pm

    My friend sent his kids to private schools because his son got bashed up by another kid at the public school and the teachers did nothing about it. So he removed his son from the public school and sent him to the closest Christian school.

  479. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 3:54 pm

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:01 pm

    So he removed his son from the public school and sent him to the closest Christian school.

    Obviously not the local catlik school that saw a 14 yo knifed to death a few years ago … or the CofE private school down the road with not one … but two teachers charged who had been discharged for assaults at other private schools …

    Do you really believe the crap you write here, Kneel … or have The Young Liberal Supervisors radicalised you so much?

  481. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:03 pm

    Re: Billy … seems the Shorten zingers have taken over from the Abbott gaffes …

    All Milkum has to do is keep his head down and smile it seems …

    Brian forbid!

  482. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:10 pm

    Do you really believe the crap you write here, Kneel

    I just stated a fact. My beliefs had nothing to do with it. The guy removed his son from the public school because the teachers did nothing when he was bashed.

    But i do think standards have fallen in Public Schools and it has nothing to do with funding.

  483. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:11 pm

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:46 pm

    I just realised you were talking about a “friend”, Kneel … mmmm ….

  485. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 6, 2015 6:41 pm

    Bill Shorten ✔ @billshortenmp
    @JaneCaro @havyatt I was listing the costs families face raising kids – there are small Catholic & Christian schools that charge low fees

    Shorten’s response didn’t cut it with me at all. I just don’t like what he doesn’t stand for.

    Shorten used penalty rates as a means for paying for private schooling as the example of the worth of penalty rates to people. That’s is the first thing that entered his head, people sending their kids off to private schools [like he went to]. Not basics like food, clothing, housing, health care or the needs of single parent families, who on $40,000/year couldn’t afford private schooling at all.

    The public health and education systems are what many of us fiercely defend, probably most being Labor supporters too, it’s one of the core values of a social democratic belief. Labor has completely forgotten about it’s roots and values, they now see themselves as defending the aspirations of upper middle bogans and complete subservience to the neoliberal cult of privatisation.

    Liberal lite.

    Penalty rates aren’t a private school-style aspiration. Shorten could campaign on that fact
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/06/penalty-rates-arent-a-private-school-style-aspiration-shorten-could-campaign-on-that-fact?CMP=soc_568

    …The Liberal party has never understood how weekend penalty rates – largely paid to workers in casualised, low-paid, female-dominated industries of retail and hospitality – contribute to the economies of entire families. If ever there was an “us and them” issue to demarcate the interests of the Liberals against the majority of Australian working people, this is it.

    So how did Bill Shorten flub his opportunity to land hits on Malcolm “seven day economy” Turnbull where he’s truly vulnerable?…

  486. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 7:23 pm

    The agreement, negotiated between Coles, the Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association (SDA) and other unions, mandates a higher hourly base rate for supermarket workers, but cuts penalty rates for weekends and nights.

    Now haven’t we discussed the “ownership” of the SDA before …

    In an austere central Melbourne office, the Dutch-born de Bruyn is reflecting on four decades with the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees’ Association (SDA), the “shoppies”, the last bastion of conservative Catholicism in the Australian labour movement and the largest union affiliated to Labor.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/why-is-the-union-that-represents-supermarket-workers-stopping-gay-marriage-20150430-1mwl32.html

    I wonder … ?

  487. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 6:19 am

    Those of the view that Tony Abbott's been hard done by would be well served to recall how he said Julia Gillard's dad died of shame #Auspol— The Gutter Trash (@GutterTwits) October 1, 2015

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  488. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 6:22 am

    Actually it was Alan Jones who said Gillard Dad died of shame not Abbott.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%22died_of_shame%22_controversy

    The Alan Jones “died of shame” controversy originated from a speech made by Australian radio broadcaster Alan Jones in September 2012, in which Jones suggested that then-Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s late father, John, “died of shame”.

  489. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 8:48 am

    Actually it was Alan Jones who said Gillard Dad died of shame not Abbott.

    Try and recall what sparked the misogyny speech” mr wiki

  490. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 9:12 am

    Your link said this

    Gillard made statements in support of Slipper and attempted to link Abbott’s motion to remarks made by Alan Jones in the then-recent Alan Jones shame controversy.[3][4] Gillard said that “every day in every way” Abbott was sexist and misogynist.

    What is your point?

  491. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 9:31 am

    What is your point?

    That your memory is as blindfolded as the rest of your outlook.

    Gillard did not “attempt” to do anything, yabot said the words precisely as jones had just a few days before. It was a deliberate provocation of the lowest form.

  492. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 9:41 am

    Abbott said this , “another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame”.

    I think that is a pretty standard comment. Do you think there is a connection between what Abbott and Jones said? I find that hard to believe.

  493. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 9:48 am

    Do you think there is a connection between what Abbott and Jones said?

    Of course there is. It was a prepared speech, he wasn’t speaking from the cuff. He was reading from a carefully worded speech that got more than he wanted. It was a despicable act.

    Luckily for him, the nations msm ran cover for him …… again. But the worlds reaction couldn’t be ignored.

  494. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 10:30 am

    Well Abbott did not say that Gillards father died of shame like Rebs tweet said. Abbotts statement was a standard statement. You can infer a connection but it is a long bow.

  495. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 10:46 am

    You can infer a connection but it is a long bow.

    Yea, I can “infer” that guy with a long history of baiting people in the most disgusting manner just “accidentally” used the same words against Gillard in a prepared speech just days after jones used those very words in a very public incident.

    I don’t need a bow for that, just history.

  496. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:17 am

    Some book stores are refusing to stock campbell newman’s book [authored by Newman MP Gavin King].

  497. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:19 am

  498. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:27 am

    Some book stores are refusing to stock campbell newman’s book [authored by Newman MP

    Lefties always like to censor things. Just cannot help themselves.

  499. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:29 am

    Some people will take offense about anything.

    If Tom R is still harping on about Abbott using the words “died of shame” as an example of misogyny then he’s lost the plot.

  500. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:36 am

    yomm, you don’t read real good does ya

  501. October 7, 2015 11:40 am

    “Actually it was Alan Jones who said Gillard Dad died of shame not Abbott.”

    I’m well aware of that, fuckwit.

    It was Abbott who then used the same words in Parliament 2 days later.

    If you (and Yom) can’t see the connection then one of you is more deluded than I thought.

    Although which one, I’m not sure.

  502. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:48 am

    Lefties always like to censor things. Just cannot help themselves.

    nothing to do with ‘lefties’ or censorship, it was due to newman’s de-funding of the premier’s literary awards, one of the first things he did when coming to office. These awards sell books don’t they?

    Why shouldn’t the public become politically active when they have political decisions forced upon them by ideological politicians?

    I think there should be a lot more of it. ‘fight dem back’

  503. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:54 am

    Why shouldn’t the public become politically active when they have political decisions forced upon them by ideological politicians?

    Well the problem Newman faced was the same problem all incoming Coalition govts face, massive govt debt. He at least faced the problem and tried to do something about it. A lot of people did not like the medicine. And Queensland massive initial increase in debt was pre-GFC.

  504. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:01 pm

    … nothing to do with ‘lefties’ or censorship, it was due to newman’s de-funding of the premier’s literary awards, one of the first things he did when coming to office. These awards sell books don’t they?

    It may simply be that it’s a shitty book … about a shitty person … who talks a lot of shit … and did a lot of shitty things to a lot of now very shit off people …

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:09 pm

    Oh, dear I should repeat my comments …

    It may simply be that it’s a shitty book … about a shitty person … who talks a lot of shit … and did a lot of shitty things to a lot of now very shit off people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kneel

    Newman was in “power” 2012 to 2015 … the GFC hit in 2008 … now look very carefully again at the graph … debt increased in 2009 under ALP and dropped in 2010 and 2011 it dramatically increased in 2012 2013 and again in 2015 … and Newman also cost the state a lot of money with unnecessary “special building projects” … we’ll be paying for a long time to come … Newman was heading in the direction of the last despot we had – Joh BP!

    Just as The Mad Abbott thought he could issue diktat after diktat after he grasped power in his greasy little hands …

  506. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:12 pm

    Of course there was a connection with the ‘died of shame’ comments.

    It must have taken all of Gillard’s strength not to walk around the dispatch box and punch him in the face.

    “…The Leader of the Opposition says that people who hold sexist views and who are misogynists are not appropriate for high office.
    Well, I hope the Leader of the Opposition has got a piece of paper and he is writing out his resignation…

    …Can I indicate to the Leader of the Opposition the Government is not dying of shame. My father did not die of shame…”

    He knew exacly what he was saying, just as he did when Brogden tried to commit suicide and he made ‘joke’ remarks about his ‘dead prospects’ then bernie banton and all those other times he’s said something inappropriate, nasty and shameful about others over the years of his career.

    Abbott can’t help himself, he is so hyper aggressive that he has to sink the boot in at every opportunity, he is a thug and a bully in a suit and the electorate knew it, which is why he and his ‘legacy’ has been tossed out like the political garbage he is.

    Remember when we thought john howard was nasty and mean spirited? Well he was positively polite and gentlemanly when compared to tony abbott.

    Abbott as OL and PM were a sick joke on the australian people by the extreme RWNJ’s.

  507. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:21 pm

    the GFC hit in 2008 … now look very carefully again at the graph … debt increased in 2009 under ALP and dropped in 2010 and 2011

    Queensland govt debt exploded pre-GFC and continued increasing. It doubled pre-GFC. And there were no drops in debt just some points where there was a slowdown in the increase in debt.

    Newman was heading in the direction of the last despot we had – Joh BP!

    I think Joh left Queensland debt free and built lots of infrastructure.

  508. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:21 pm

    I don’t see it as more than evidence of plagiarism.

  509. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:36 pm

    … which is why he and his ‘legacy’ has been tossed out like the political garbage he is.

    I have to disagree with that, KL, Abbott’s Legacy is alive and well under Turnbull, methinks!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think Joh left Queensland debt free and built lots of infrastructure.

    You obviously didn’t live in QLD … nor know much about its history … the “infrastructure” he “built” was carried out by his shonky construction mates (via brown paper bags) and are still being rebuilt!

  510. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:50 pm

    think Joh left Queensland debt free and built lots of infrastructure.

    That just shows that you’re a fkn eedjit and a massive troll. Check out the fitzgerald report.

  511. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 1:22 pm

    …I have to disagree with that, KL, Abbott’s Legacy is alive and well under Turnbull, methinks!…

    oh yes TB, but abbott will wear that blame, it remains to be seen what turnbull will do and how much trouble abbott & the uglies are going to cause for turnbull if he tries to change policy. If Turnbull is just ‘more of the same’, he will go the same route as abbott. I really do think the electorate has had enough and are angry enough to ditch the two majors for the minors and independents.

    If turnbull messes up on climate change and IR and protects the wealthy mates at the expense of ordinary taxpayers, he’s in trouble. So far he gets a tick for public transport improvement and the higher education travesty being put on the back burner.

  512. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 1:28 pm

    … the “infrastructure” he “built” was carried out by his shonky construction mates (via brown paper bags) and are still being rebuilt!

    You mean all this was corruptly built?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen#State_development

    Considerable development of the state’s infrastructure took place during the Bjelke-Petersen era. He was a leading proponent of Wivenhoe and Burdekin Dams, encouraging the modernising and electrifying of the Queensland railway system, and the construction of the Gateway Bridge.[8] Airports, coal mines, power stations, and dams were built throughout the state. James Cook University was established. In Brisbane, the Queensland Cultural Centre, Griffith University, the South East Freeway, and the Captain Cook, Gateway and Merivale bridges were all constructed, as well as the Parliamentary Annexe that was attached to Queensland Parliament House. Bjelke-Petersen was one of the instigators of World Expo 88 (now South Bank Parklands) and the 1982 Brisbane Commonwealth Games.[

  513. October 7, 2015 1:29 pm

    “”you’re a fkn eedjit””

    🙂

  514. October 7, 2015 1:30 pm

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  515. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 7, 2015 1:41 pm

    Turnbull has been elevated in the polls by the women who were turned off by abbott. We haven’t heard from him about the fate of the nauru rape victim who wants an abortion in australia.

  516. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 7, 2015 2:38 pm

    “it remains to be seen what turnbull will do and how much trouble abbott & the uglies are going to cause for turnbull if he tries to change policy. If Turnbull is just ‘more of the same’, he will go the same route as abbott.”

    Dom Perrottet is on the money:

    Lastly, as John Howard has always said, the Liberal Party is the custodian of both the conservative and classical liberal traditions — at its best when both are valued and blended. This demands that the party’s new leadership team must now also go against the grain: they must stay true to the base and shirk the platitudes of the chattering classes, delivering policy that works in the real world, not just in the dreams of leftist fantasists.

    “I really do think the electorate has had enough and are angry enough to ditch the two majors for the minors and independents.”

    No matter how god-awful Shorten and Turnbull are, it will be quite a while before ordinary people warm to the totalitarian leftist claptrap of the Greens, Getupthemselves! and the Socialist Alliance.

    Of course Labor could always elect some commo clown (like Jeremy Corbyn) as leader and ensure conservative government for a generation!

  517. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 7, 2015 2:47 pm

    So, now we know why the Gillard government fucked over Wilkie on the pokies deal courtesy of Peter “show me the money” Garrett!

    The trouble with aging drug-fucked rockers is that their memories aren’t very reliable:

    (Montage of raw footage)

    PETER GARRETT: Handed me an envelope, which I took….I looked down and realised that it was full of money.

    But then on examination: oh, hang on a minute, it’s got money in it.

    It was money. It was filled with money.

    (Montage ends)

    Just business as usual in Unionland – especially the convenient memory change!

  518. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 5:03 pm

    You mean all this was corruptly built?

    As KL said … read the Fitzgerald Report … and don’t miss the bit about Hinze The Minister for Everything, the Police Commissioner Lewis and brown paper bags!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Garret’s a dope always said so he always turned out to be … in fact he’s a DickFuckwit© of the Highest Order … but how do you get to …

    Just business as usual in Unionland – especially the convenient memory change!

    So the JBP government was a union, then? Not just a bunch of rip off merchants, thieves and thugs … ?

  519. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 5:07 pm

    KL, my Teutonic friend has bought himself a Kobo … he asked me to pass on his thanks … especially pleased with the folder on Military History … a subject he and I share regularly … especially WWII …

    Introduced him to Calibre too …

    He’s a happy little lad at the moment!

  520. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2015 5:26 pm

    and don’t miss the bit about Hinze The Minister for Everything, the Police Commissioner Lewis and brown paper bags!

    What is your point? name me one govt that has never had a corrupt minister. Bob Carr had Eddie Obeid. Strangely Bob Carrs association with Obeid has not tarnished Carr. Obeid was a minister in the Carr govt.

  521. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 7, 2015 5:29 pm

    “Not just a bunch of rip off merchants, thieves and thugs … ?”

    Not just any bunch – masters of the art. Truly they were only surpassed by Eddie Obeid who ripped $100m off the NSW taxpayers.

    And I loved the way they could stack a jury!

  522. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 6:19 pm

    … they could stack a jury!

    So did Joh!!!!!!

    Chuckle!

    I actually walked past JBP when he was waiting to be called into court (I was there on business) I’d actually met him a couple of times when I worked with the NSCA … he must have recognised me and gave me the sickliest smile … couldn’t help myself … just pursed my lips, shook my head and walked on and then broke into a smile …

    He was a slimy arsehole! (Oh! Apologies to present company) 🙂 😉

  523. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 7, 2015 6:35 pm

    So did Joh!!!!!!”

    I was attempting to refer to that, but it doesn’t always read that way in print!

    Slimy??? I am fresh and fragment. And tight, oh so tight! As you can clearly see.

  524. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 9:31 pm

    I was attempting to refer to that …

    Yep, I was attempting to point out that it was Joh’s trial they stacked the jury … should have been a mistrial …

  525. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:48 pm

    Off to Gold Class in the morning … looking forward to … “The Martian” … I like Matt Damon’s work – also looking forward to the new Bourne …

  526. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2015 9:41 am

    … the “infrastructure” he “built” was carried out by his shonky construction mates (via brown paper bags) and are still being rebuilt!

    This is not true. Joh did a lot for Queensland. he built lots of infrastructure and left Queensland debt free.

    It is hard to say whether he was more dishonest than say Bob Carr. Carr appointed Obeid to the ministry yet there was no Fitzgerald inquiry in NSW although i think the ICAC is looking into what Obeid did. But Joh built lots of infrastructure that is not being rebuilt and has been very useful.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen#State_development

  527. October 8, 2015 10:42 am

    “Off to Gold Class in the morning ”

    But it’s not even Tuesday….!

  528. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 11:06 am

    WGAF … retired and lovin’ it … just leaving (no concessions in GC!) … not even on Tight Arse Tuesdays!

    Keep wondering if The Martian might just be a sequel to Marooned? 😉

  529. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2015 12:27 pm

    During the election campaign there will be debates between Turnbull and Shorten.

    I think Turnbull should be quite happy to have 6 or 7 or 8+ of these.

    Shorten just can’t fake sincerity the way Turnbull does. Shorten looks shifty and dodges questions, Turnbull buries the question, and quite effectively too.

    Shorten will finish up an historical footnote and even Abbott will be seen as having contributed more.

  530. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2015 2:19 pm

    Shorten just can’t fake sincerity the way Turnbull does

    That is the big problem for the Coalition. I think Abbott would have defeated Shorten at the next election. I suspect the ALP will ditch Shorten for some unknown person with sex appeal that will take everybody by surprise and defeat Turnbull.

    It was a big mistake for the Coalition to replace Abbott.

  531. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:15 pm

    Hard to keep up here just lately!

    Turncoat is being very tightlipped I suppose …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Filum Review

    THE MARTIAN

    Go and see it! BRILLIANT! 141 minutes of pure professional film production.

    A sci-fi classic. From titles to credits. (script, graphics, SFX, acting, directing, filming – excellent!)

    Even, Seen Been, gets a bit part … slightly.

    Me – ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ … mmm …

    The Minister – ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    The “special” was good four sliders, fries chips and two wines … $39.00

  532. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:47 pm

    Oh dear:

  533. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:53 pm

    My thoughts too, sb …

    Sir Rupert really is a senile old shite … someone ought to take his phablet off him and tuck him in … really, really tightly.

  534. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2015 4:30 pm

    My thoughts too, sb …

    Well if TB of Queensland agrees with you, something wrong is happening.

  535. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 8, 2015 9:23 pm

    musta been a typo!

    https://twitter.com/mscott/status/652061377771601920

  536. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2015 7:51 am

  537. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2015 7:57 am

  538. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:00 am

    It is bizarre that the value of a defined benefit pension isn’t treated as an asset.

    The cost of purchasing an indexed pension (for us poor taxpayers) would huge, but there is no value placed on this asset for former public servants.

    NOW THAT’S A GENUINE SUPERANNUATION & PENSION RORT

    Up to half a million retired public servants could be kicked off the age pension under the looming shake-up of the nation’s superannuation tax system, a leading expert says.
    A government move within months against the generous tax breaks on retirement savings looks inevitable and speculation has begun that the nation’s army of retired state and federal government workers will not escape the pain.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/public-servants-brace-for-pension-shock-20151007-gk3z4z.html#ixzz3o1HwFlEW

  539. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:09 am

    Re Murdoch he’s odd with twitter, but I must admit, the thought had crossed my mind that it was probably a good thing that (the first black president) Obama was half Kenyan and not carrying resentment of being directly related to slavery.

    He probably experienced the American bigotry, without it being compounded by this.

  540. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:12 am

    Hillary’s fading chances of nomination in one photo:

  541. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:48 am

    All Biden needs is a pair of horns, methinks? Chuckle … or is it a wax likeness? A lifesize cut out?

  542. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:57 am

    from the sorry link ao

    He’s just expressing his opinion.

    Yea, so were the KKK

    What a prize dick. Even worst, he’s not just from Oz, he’s from Adelaide.

  543. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:43 am

    Looks like a perfect image of what is going on, TB. I wonder if photoshop was involved? It looks like Klintoon can feel the knives in her back.

  544. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:54 am

    “…He’s just expressing his opinion…”

    I hope his opinions are seen far and wide through twitter so the ‘real’ Rupert murdoch is known to all.

    It’s his opinions that are paraded through his newspapers and faux news that are an affront to democracy.

  545. October 9, 2015 11:56 am

    Looks like a perfect image of what is going on, TB

  546. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:58 am

    “It’s his opinions that are paraded through his newspapers and faux news that are an affront to democracy.”

    LOL. The threat to democracy came from Conroy and Finkelfuckwit who wanted to censor the press. Fucking fascists they are.

  547. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 12:03 pm

    who wanted to censor the press.

    Compared to what the libs pushed through, the press media will be wishing all they had to do was comply with the same regulations broadband media have to apply to (which was all Conroy was advancing)

    Telling the truth is not a threat to democracy

  548. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 1:16 pm

    Looks like a perfect image of what is going on, TB

    Oi, Jummy! Geet fkd! 😉

    Telling the truth is not a threat to democracy

    Nup, but collecting expensive metadata is … and I don’t believing coincidence in business … collection begins next Tuesday on YOUR metadata … and Australia has just signed the TPP … yeah!

  549. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 1:17 pm

    and I don’t believing … duh? “I don’t believe in … “

  550. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 2:00 pm

    I find it interesting TB that the grubmint introduces these vat spying networks, and then tells you to use a VPN and apps like WhatsApp or Wickr

    Doe they have a stake in these things?

    I also saw Shorten proudly claiming he doesn’t use those apps, and then getting lambasted for it by journalists??

    The same ones who helped guide this shit through (yes, with Shortens help too, but I’ll still call that political metooism, which has paid off in the end. bye bye yabot)

  551. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 2:31 pm

    Conroy has nothing on this grub

  552. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2015 2:52 pm

    You mean that the ALP isn’t supporting the metadata retention legislation!!??

    The ALP is doing something different on this issue to the Liberals!!??

    Shorten isn’t as mealy-mouthed!!??

  553. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:20 pm

    Same Liberal church, same Liberal bible, same Liberal hymn books, same Liberal prayer books, same Liberal pulpit, same Liberal mantra chantra, different Liberal preacher …

    PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rejected suggestions his predecessor’s rhetoric exacerbated the problem of extremism in Australia.

    MR Turnbull refused to say whether any of the seven Muslim leaders he met with in western Sydney on Friday expressed concerns about Tony Abbott’s approach, insisting he could only speak warmly of the former prime minister.

    He took a shot at the reporter who asked the question, telling him: “I’m frankly disappointed that on a matter of such importance you try to create mischief like that”.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/turnbull-refuses-to-blame-abbott-rhetoric/story-fni6ul2m-1227563576772#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C4%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2Fnews%2Fbreaking-news%2Fturnbull-refuses-to-blame-abbott-rhetoric%2Fstory-fni6ul2m-1227563576772%7Cstory%7CTurnbull%20refuses%20to%20blame%20Abbott%20rhetoric&itmt=1444367727221

    Weak, pathetic, Liberal hypocrisy …. and head in the sand Liberal politics …

  554. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:31 pm

    You mean that the ALP isn’t supporting the metadata retention legislation!!??

    You truly have a reading comprehension issue yomm. Fuck off to your own reality

    For the fucken slow of wit

    yes, with Shortens help too,

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