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The TPP: If it’s so Good, why is it so Secret?

October 6, 2015

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From the interwebs…

The TPP agreement is just another shot in the century long campaign by the US elites and multinationals to form the world in their image.

As others have already said, the principal pre-occupation of those groups since before the end of the Second World War has been to prevent the emergence of any other power that might challenge the ability of the US to run the world in the interests of that group.

That goal is reflected in thousands of US planning documents since that time. It has also been reflected in the military and subversive interventions into the internal affairs of over two thirds of the countries that compose the UN by the US government.

As US economic power declines, it is seeking, through the use of such “trade” agreements, to extend the life of that control for as long as possible.

If you’re not convinced that this isn’t the case, take a look and see if you can find the emerging economy of India, or China mentioned anywhere in the TTIP, TISA or TPP

That these agreements are only superficially about “free trade” is easily demonstrable. Much of what is treated in international comparisons as “trade” is no such thing as any normal person would conceive it to be.

Nearly a half of what is treated as trade consists of dealings between different arms of the same multinational corporations.

This is where say Apple US sells vast quantities of its computers and iphones to Apple Australia.

The prices, terms of contract, delivery and distribution are all determined internally within the same corporation.

Only with the exercise of considerable imagination can this be termed as “trade,” which is normally conceived to be dealings between distinct individuals or corporations at arms length.

Additionally much of these so-called “free trade” deals are in actuality about the enforcing of probably the most effective blockage of free trade ever devised-Intellectual property.

These deals play a vital role in preventing the spread around the world of new technical knowledge and confining its control to the organisation or person that originally conceived it.

As the US has for the last seventy years, been the source of a substantial proportion of the scientific and technological breakthroughs of that period, largely due to expenditures by the US government, they wish to endlessly extend the period during which they have exclusive control of the knowledge encapsulated.

The vast bulk of that knowledge was, after development, handed over by the US government to the corporations that have controlled it for the last seventy years, and they have taken control of that knowledge through the patent laws they essentially drafted.

This agreement seeks to extend further the length of time for which these corporations can control and exploit that knowledge for their own enrichment.

The reason these agreements are now negotiated in such strict secrecy is that the corporations concerned have learned from past experience that the more light is shed on them early in the process of negotiations, the more likely it is that the public will be roused to anger at the theft involved in them and the less likely they are to be passed into law.

The biggest warning sign for the public in any functioning democracy is that something is being hidden from them. They instinctively know that if it is so hidden, it must be to their disadvantage.

How bad is it….?

Really, really bad…. Watch this now..

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171 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:06 am

    Well, here’s a “free trade” agreement that aint secret. Except from the grubmint it seems

    If the China-Australia free trade agreement proceeds without labour market protections, the Turnbull government will “effectively surrender autonomy over its migration laws” and invite a wave of Chinese workers into Australia, driving down local wages and conditions, a new report has found.

    …..
    Dr Howe’s report – the result of three months spent sifting through the FTA and its attachments – found the agreement negotiated by Trade Minister Andrew Robb “greatly increases the pathways for Chinese workers to enter the Australian labour market”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/china-free-trade-agreement-to-invite-wave-of-chinese-workers-drive-down-wages-report-20151005-gk1kpn.html#ixzz3njmxaTiW
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    One can only fear what the TPP has sold us out to. Especially with the ISDS clauses

    http://digital.org.au/content/will-tpp-set-copyright-trap

  2. October 6, 2015 10:09 am

    The youtube clip is worth watching.

  3. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:14 am

    Chill reb, still watching 😉

  4. October 6, 2015 10:18 am

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  5. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:26 am

    Great minds I see, sreb … 🙂

  6. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:27 am

    Sounds almost like the deal the libs cut for james hardie anyway reb. They get to traipse over to the Netherlands whilst the taxpayer is left to clean up their mess, and hardie gets to push their new shit down out throats.

    I recently re-did the bathroom, and was mightily pissed off after spending days removing asbestos at much extra personal expense and sweat, only to find the only stuff I can use on the walls is hardie product ……… again.

    I’ll be even more pissed off if we find this stuff is as deadly in twenty years time.

  7. October 6, 2015 10:59 am

    Reblogged this on Wick Burner Attacks and commented:
    Relax – we are now locked-in to ‘FREE TRADE FOR EVERYBODY’!! There’s no way this will be a bad thing…

    The TPP. It must be really shit, because almost nobody knows a damn thing about it.

    This piece reblogged, with muchos thanks in advance, from The Gutter Trash.

    Go visit their site, and watch the video.

  8. Tom R permalink
    October 6, 2015 11:42 am

    So, sold out again. We have signed up to another agreement that has no net benefit for us, at best. So why do it?

    US TPP Report shows zero Australian economic growth
    ………..
    The report acknowledges that this is the most favourable assumption, and not likely to be achieved.

    http://aftinet.org.au/cms/US%20TPP%20report%20shows%20zero%20Australian%20growth

  9. October 6, 2015 12:28 pm

    The shape of things to come…

    TiSA “is the largest component of the United States’ strategic ‘trade’ treaty triumvirate,” which also includes the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Pact (TTIP).

    1.TiSA would “lock in” the privatization of services – even in cases where private service delivery has failed – meaning governments can never return water, energy, health, education or other services to public hands.

    2.TiSA would restrict signatory governments’ right to regulate stronger standards in the public’s interest. For example, it will affect environmental regulations, licensing of health facilities and laboratories, waste disposal centres, power plants, school and university accreditation and broadcast licenses.

    3.TiSA would limit the ability of governments to regulate the financial services industry, at a time when the global economy is still struggling to recover from a crisis caused primarily by financial deregulation.

    Require acceptance of financial products not yet invented. Despite the pivotal role that new, complex financial products played in the Financial Crisis, TISA would require governments to allow all new financial products and services, including ones not yet invented, to be sold within their territories.

    4. TiSA would ban any restrictions on cross-border information flows and localization requirements for ICT service providers. A provision proposed by US negotiators would rule out any conditions for the transfer of personal data to third countries that are currently in place in EU data protection law. In other words, multinational corporations will have carte blanche to pry into just about every facet of the working and personal lives of the inhabitants of roughly a quarter of the world’s 200-or-so nations.

    If TiSA is signed in its current form – and we will not know exactly what that form is until at least five years down the line – our personal data will be freely bought and sold on the open market place without our knowledge; companies and governments will be able to store it for as long as they desire and use it for just about any purpose.

    5) Finally, TiSA, together with its sister treaties TPP and TTIP, would establish a new global enclosure system, one that seeks to impose on all 52 signatory governments a rigid framework of international corporate law designed to exclusively protect the interests of corporations, relieving them of financial risk and social and environmental responsibility. In short, it would hammer the final nail in the already bedraggled coffin of national sovereignty.

    http://wolfstreet.com/2015/09/22/uruguay-does-unthinkable-rejects-global-corporatocracy-tisa/

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 12:48 pm

    I’ll be even more pissed off if we find this stuff is as deadly in twenty years time.

    Cellulose (paper pulp), cement, sand and water.

    ==================================

    The Robber Barons … utilising – Über Kapitalism … has high-jacked democratic process … as they always do … through the centuries …

    Nothing is new … nothin g changes … only the technology and the weapons …

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2015 3:56 pm

    I’ll allow my views to be formed by the propaganda that is circulating.

    For example the CFMEU seems to implacably opposed to various free trade agreements, and they usually get it entirely wrong.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 5:41 pm

    Here we go again … or is that … still?

    Bill Shorten rejected Turnbull’s new pitch, saying it was based on “an argument run by the top 1% of income earners in this country that the future of this country depends on the lowest paid workers taking a pay cut.”

    The productivity commission’s draft report into workplace relations released in August recommended cutting Sunday double-time loadings to the same level as Saturday penalty rates (150% of the normal hourly rate) for workers in the entertainment, hospitality and retail sectors. It said existing penalty rates should be retained for other industries like healthcare and emergency services.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/06/plan-to-cut-penalty-rates-draws-scepticism-from-unions-and-labor

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2015 10:59 pm

    Greg Hunt should work for Dodgy Brothers … he’s all over the place … catch his flip-flopping on Lateline tonight … renewables are good, but coal has a chance of being burned with zero emissions, oh and electricity has gone down under his watch … apparently ???????

    The World Bank has adopted his OneDirect Action plan … as piddled and plodded through the interview …

    I can just imagine Dopey Dora Dutton and Dodgy Greg having a beer on Friday nights … fkn hilarious …

  14. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 8:36 am

    and they usually get it entirely wrong.

    I’m sure you have another example, because, in the case of CHAFTA, they are SPOT on

    http://www.farmonline.com.au/news/agriculture/general/politics/robb-blasts-chafta-facts/2740740.aspx?storypage=0

    robb and joyce need to take it up with the Conversation too then. Sorry fellas, but, going on the track record of this grubmint, simply saying “does not” is not enough to counter two independent fact checks (with references to the relevant part of the agreement) as wrong.

    Checking Ms Kearney’s statements against the text of the agreement, she is correct that Australian workers can be excluded from labour market opportunities through ChAFTA.
    …..
    Verdict

    Ms Kearney is correct that Australian workers can be excluded from labour market opportunities through ChAFTA.

    http://theconversation.com/factcheck-could-the-china-australia-fta-lock-out-australian-workers-43470

    but coal has a chance of being burned with zero emissions

    He’s in lala land for sure TB

    electricity has gone down under his watch

    Hot on the heels of robb and joyce “does not” argument lol. It wasn’t just yabot who was a habitual liar, it’s the lot of them. And turnbull is just as bad.

    In 2012, when he was Shadow Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull said: “There is enough capacity on private satellites already in orbit or scheduled for launch for the NBN to deliver broadband to the 200,000 or so premises in remote Australia without building its own.”

    https://delimiter.com.au/2015/10/01/its-our-damn-nbn-satellite-says-labor/

  15. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 11:39 am

    And to add insult to injury

    Although the fine details of the TPP are still a month away from being released, we now know the China Australia agreement has insufficient safeguards around labour mobility in a number of key ways.
    …………
    It is both entirely possible and legal for Chinese workers employed as installers and servicers to be used to undercut local wages and conditions.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tpp-and-china-free-trade-agreement-our-valuable-labour-standards-must-be-protected-20151005-gk1zup.html#ixzz3nq1CmxID
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    It really is time for talcum to make his stand. So far, it’s business as usual with this mob. Let’s kick workers.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 12:30 pm

    It really is time for talcum to make his stand. So far, it’s business as usual with this mob. Let’s kick workers.

    Certainly no policy changes that I can see … just a mish mash of:

    ¥ Conflicting targets

    ¥ Concepts

    ¥ Kiddy Ideas

    ¥ Brain-farts (mostly brain-farts),

    ¥ Hypocrisy

    ¥ Ideological continuance

    ¥ Lack of direction

    ¥ Waiting for the Puppet Masters

    ¥ Still blaming the ALP after being in power for two years; and

    A PM that has a smile that lights up Canberra and shines out of his arse and still blinds most of the high school mentality media!

    … and crucially taking credit for ALP initiatives and work (eg the TPP started in 2008!)

    … CHAFTA commenced in 2005 …

    … but you’d think Andrew Robb was the sole “negotiator” (I use the term loosely) … and I suspect he’s hung us out to dry on both counts!

    I do take great pleasure lately watching Emma Alberichi pull the pricks into line as they start their ramblings to avoid the question and blaming Labor … she seems to have woken up to their BS and also seems to be a counterpoint to fanboi Uhlmann … she sounds as frustrated as I feel!

  17. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 3:54 pm

    Certainly no policy changes that I can see

    well, he did unlock a can of worms by putting penalty rates back on the table. Shorten came close to screwing up yesterday with stupid “private schools” argument, but, luckily for Labor, the nation aint dumb. Not only do they recognise that any cuts to wages will only result in profits for owners, but that Sunday is STILL a special day, and not for any religious hokey pokey. They have whittled away Saturdays, and they will, in the end, whittle away Sundays, but fucked if they can just waltz in a grab it. Until they play Grand Finals on a Wednesday, and have Question Time on a Sunday, it still means something. And the fact that they can’t prosecute their case without lying just shows they really got nothing.

    The economic case, if you can call it that, for cuts to penalty rates is ridiculously overcooked.

    Take a report released by hospitality employers in July as part of the Productivity Commission review of workplace relations, breathlessly headlined, “Penalty rate cut will create 40,000 jobs.”

    But when you actually read the text, all it said was that it was possible that cutting Sunday penalty rates would result in 60,000 extra hours being worked.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/lyons-defending-penalty-rates-does-not-require-political-bravery/6833740

  18. October 7, 2015 5:09 pm

    I say, put the TPP under an electron microscope before it gets signed off on. If it’s soooo admirable, let its critics pull it to bits in the public sphere & allow the public ample time to judge is virtues, or lack thereof.

    As for penalty rates, I hope the AbbottTurncoatCorps try it on! Political suicide, writ large.

    And a big fuck you to anyone who supports the demolition of penalty rates.

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/tpp-the-devils-in-the-unknown-details-20151007-gk326i.html

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2015 5:16 pm

    Until they play Grand Finals on a Wednesday, and have Question Time on a Sunday, it still means something.

    A VERY VALID POINT … TR!

    Our social life disappeared working for ourselves … I often flew out on Thursday and returned on Tuesday … lost a few friends too … out of the loop.

    Reminds me of the time I was discussing changes in business with some colleagues (consultants and training managers) and explained to them because of the changes on mine-sites eg FIFO … I was now “expected” to work 12 hours a day, not six but I couldn’t actually increase my daily rate …

    One of the problems with that was to keep a dozen managers/supervisors motivated and involved … luckily, I believe that people learn best by doing!

  20. October 7, 2015 5:52 pm

    Eliminating weekend penalty rates, indeed eliminating any penalty rates, is only cheered by those who don’t earn them by working abnormal hours.

    Pretty fucking obvious really.

  21. Tom R permalink
    October 7, 2015 6:40 pm

    Our social life disappeared working for ourselves

    And that would have been a personal choice you made , which is a brave thing to do imo. On the upside, you also get the profits from working for yourself, should they be made.

    Waiters don’t. They get paid minimum wage, while cafe’s owners are making the profits. And the weekends provide big profit. Bigger even should they be able to pay their workers less. I’m sure there are cafe’s that open and then go out of business. But that happens in all industries. The fact is, opening a cafe, if run properly, can apparently be a very rewarding business

    The inconvenient truth of the penalty rates debate is that, far from being destroyed by penalty rates as employers and right-wing lobbyists claim, Australia’s cafe and restaurant sector is booming and in recent years has been one of Australia’s fastest-growing sectors and employers.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/07/the-dirty-secret-of-penalty-rate-opponents-business-is-booming/

    But the biggest danger, as you seem to imply, is the removal of our social structure, with everyone working and weekends abandoned. dog eat dog.

  22. October 8, 2015 3:06 pm

    There is little doubt however that the TPP will do as much to promote free trade as it will to cement the power of large corporations who are inexorably usurping governments around the world.

    If governments don’t have the courage and the nous to stand up to multinational tax avoiders – many of who are the leading proponents of this deal – how can the public trust them to ensure the best outcome in a free trade deal struck in secret?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/tpp-the-devils-in-the-unknown-details-20151007-gk326i.html#ixzz3nwi6bfAU
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  23. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:31 pm

    And that would have been a personal choice you made , which is a brave thing to do imo. On the upside, you also get the profits from working for yourself, should they be made.

    And you are correct … that’s why I could retire at 59 – and why I went to uni a 40 part time distance ed , full time job and teenage kids – and graduated five years later so I could start a business …

    … at 21 I was a tradie (service advisor) at 22 in the ADF … but not a chance in hell of going into any business … you work with what you’ve got …

    I also worked for 12 months on permanent night shift … that to buggered up my social life … and me both physiologically and emotionally … but I also got a 30% penalty rate … helped pay of the mortgage quickly …

    But the biggest danger, as you seem to imply, is the removal of our social structure, with everyone working and weekends abandoned. dog eat dog.

    No its not the “biggest danger” there are many reasons … for many people the biggest danger is simply fkn surviving! Simply because our market economy, as it is now structured, forces people into a “dog eat dog” society. And it is destroying us …

    As I said to my 17 yo g/son a few weeks ago when he got his first job and it entailed training without pay … it was the best offer he had … ’cause sometimes its the ONLY offer …

    And the best time to look for the next job is when you actually have one … there is no such thing as corporate loyalty! (No matter how large or small)

    Now you know one of the reasons I preferred to work for myself …

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:51 pm

    sreb, after reading the link above and watching the vid … I’m more than ever convinced there is something extremely shonky about the TPP.

    Way too much power and control to Robber Barons who are now overtly controlling governments … rather than covertly … the problem seems to be that the Robber Barons are also writing laws in their favour and not in ours!

    I also thought it strange that the new Metadata Laws come into force on Tuesday … I keep reading that there has been a change to intellectual property but can’t seem to find any detail on it … coincidence … I think not.

    http://www.hide.me/VPN‎

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2015 3:51 pm

    https://hide.me/en/

  26. October 8, 2015 5:31 pm

    “”I’m more than ever convinced there is something extremely shonky about the TPP.””

    At first I thought it was just the usual conspiracy theory nut jobs who were opposed to it, but the fact that the deals are being done in secret between the large corporations and the US Govt is enough to pique curiosity.

    Add to that,the fact that these same corporations (including Philip Morris) can sue governments for loss of profits is just astounding. So basically the taxpayer is now being held to ransom for the profit targets of private corporations.

    We’ve already witnessed this in Australia with Hockey and Abbott protecting the declining coal industry and their war against renewables.

    It’s all about profits before people, and if this deal goes through, the large corporates have won and we the ordinary folk will be slaves to their profits forever!

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2015 5:44 pm

    WHERE THE FUCK HAS TB GONE?

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2015 8:04 pm

    I do not know whether the TPP is good or bad but i did not like this comment

    We’ve already witnessed this in Australia with Hockey and Abbott protecting the declining coal industry and their war against renewables.

    Coal is our second largest export and renewables will send us back to living in caves.

    We do not make anything here anymore. Commodities are our only hope.

  29. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:02 am

    “And a big fuck you to anyone who supports the demolition of penalty rates.”

    Why should I have to pay for expensive products made in Australia if the same product can be imported much cheaper under an FTA ?

    Why should I have to subsidise your “Lifestyle” ?

    If you dont wish to adapt to the real world outside our borders then eventually your job will go and you’ll find yourself “Ubering” somewhere

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:57 am

    WHERE THE FUCK HAS TB GONE?

    LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We do not make anything here anymore. Commodities are our only hope.

    But we could make renewable energy tech goods from solar panels, wind generators, energy storage, electric and/or hydrogen powered vehicles and machinery … the list goes on … renewables aren’t our “only hope” just as coal is dying … but renewables are a major part of the Digital Revolution as the last vestiges of the Industrial Revolution disappear …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why should I have to subsidise your “Lifestyle” ?

    And you think we don’t subsidise your lifestyle?

    And how many Chinese tax returns will you do?

    Time for an across the board 20% … tax no concessions, no claims … get rid of the shiny arsed $$$ shufflers and get ’em out actually doing something PRODUCTICE instead of leeching the system … Direct Action is looking for staff to get their hands dirty …

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:27 am

    TB, YOU’RE BACK

    Don’t do that again, it freaked me out 😉

    Why should I have to pay for expensive products made in Australia if the same product can be imported much cheaper under an FTA ?

    Because at least when you buy it from here, you can be (fairly) sure the worker is not being ripped off.

    Oh, and so that the worker can pay taxes so our grubmint can continue to subsidies chair spinners who cannot perform in an otherwise productive capacity 😉

    We do not make anything here anymore

    I see hide’n’seek already filled you in on that

  32. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:31 am

    “And you think we don’t subsidise your lifestyle?”

    Most of my work these days is in Estate and Retirement Planning which is NOT tax deductible.

    So you were saying ??????????????????????

    Again why should I have to subsidise someone else’s Lifestyle.

  33. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:33 am

    “Because at least when you buy it from here, you can be (fairly) sure the worker is not being ripped off.”

    I take it that you have NEVER EVER purchased anything over the Web from Offshore then ?

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:37 am

    Most of my work these days is in Estate and Retirement Planning which is NOT tax deductible.

    Yea, like “retirement planning” aint sucking the life from our budget

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/oct/09/imfs-call-for-tax-increases-will-be-a-tough-sell-for-turnbull-and-morrison?CMP=share_btn_tw

    I take it that you have NEVER EVER purchased anything over the Web from Offshore then ?

    Never say never.

    I do know this, there is no need for my next car to be a fucken Holden!

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:40 am

    “Because at least when you buy it from here, you can be (fairly) sure the worker is not being ripped off.”

    In fact quite the opposite.

  36. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:48 am

    “I do know this, there is no need for my next car to be a fucken Holden!”

    I agree. After the Cruze disaster who would want a Holden

  37. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 12:00 pm

    In fact quite the opposite.

    So, you disagree with all of the cases of overseas workers being treated badly (and unfortunately many cases being made here)

    We should be striving to lift others to our level, not sinking down to the level the multinationals bring to them.

    Holdens closed even after workers took pay cuts. This supports the case that the real cause of the closure lies elsewhere. But he’s now off to the usofa whilst Holden workers have nothing to look forward to.

  38. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 3:49 pm

    Learn to adapt or say Goodbye to your jobs…………..

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/bluescope-votes-to-avoid-toyotas-fate-20151008-gk4he6

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:09 pm

    Learn to adapt or say Goodbye to your jobs…………..

    Adapt or say goodbye to you fossil fuel shares …

    I see you’re adapting with changes to tax laws slipping closer …

    Most of my work these days is in Estate and Retirement Planning

    … tucking money and assets away in shelf companies and trust funds I’ll bet … to minimise income and assets testing to increase any Centrelink payments … and being paid handsomely for the privilege … nah, that’s not being subsidised, just shifting other people’s $$$ around, hey!

    Again why should I have to subsidise someone else’s Lifestyle.

    You’re** not … is major projects here require expertise in civil engineering trades and professions we have the best in the world … why import a poorer quality workforce … we can’t do that in China … FREE Trade Agreement my arse …

    That’s not subsidising … if you worked in China there would be NO Estate and Retirement Planners … unless you worked in the government stamping forms on 90% less $$ than you are subsidised paid now …

    Your** “example” of buying goods from overseas is not valid … and with your** expertise you should know that …

  40. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:26 pm

    “Adapt or say goodbye to you fossil fuel shares … ”

    If I need investment tips I’ll take them from people who actually know what they are on about not someone who gets his ancient rocks off everytime he sees the sun hitting his rooftop.

  41. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:27 pm

    “Your** “example” of buying goods from overseas is not valid …”

    If you say so then it must be so………………….as usual Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  42. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 4:28 pm

    Faced with the same decision Toyota unions faced in 2013, members of the Australian Workers Union at BlueScope have given themselves a fighting chance of survival.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/bluescope-votes-to-avoid-toyotas-fate-20151008-gk4he6#ixzz3o2t7LlGL
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    Holden workers did just that. It didn’t stop hockey telling them to piss off!

    Again why should I have to subsidise a chair spinners Lifestyle?

  43. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 5:21 pm

    “Again why should I have to subsidise a chair spinners Lifestyle?”

    You mean the tax deductibility of IT people ?

  44. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 5:26 pm

    “Holden workers did just that”

    Really ………..?

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/6/19/business-spectator/unions-oppose-holden-pay-cuts

  45. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 5:45 pm

    Really ………..?

    Yea, really

    Turns out the Unions were right. Again

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/holden-workers-say-yes-to-wage-freeze-and-new-rules-20130813-2rulf.html

  46. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 6:37 pm

    So many satisfied customers…………………………LOL

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2007792

  47. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2015 6:38 pm

    More……………..LOL

    http://www.productreview.com.au/p/2011-2012-holden-series-ii-cruze.html

  48. October 9, 2015 7:48 pm

    Isn’t nice to have Walrus back again.

  49. October 9, 2015 7:48 pm

    Now where’s ToSY.

  50. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2015 10:32 pm

    yaaaaaawn wally

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/12/03/its-been-another-stellar-week-for-the-newly-reset-abbott-govt/#comment-86226

    Proven wrong, so start rehashing already lost arguments lol

    Now where’s ToSY.

    Quietly enjoying his drinks I’m guessing.

    But if he’s still reading

    http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/collections/collection-online/

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:26 pm

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2015 11:27 pm

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2015 12:42 am

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2015 10:46 am

    I reckon there’s a message here for Wally, too … from Milkum Turncoat, no less!

    He said those who could not practice harmony should leave the country.

    “It is not compulsory to live in Australia. If you find Australian values, you know, unpalatable, then there’s a big wide world out there and people have got freedom of movement,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “The success of our society is founded on mutual respect and we have to recognise that people who preach hatred, preach extremism, are undermining the success of this extraordinary country and this extraordinary project.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-addresses-terrorism-concerns-in-wake-of-parramatta-shooting/story-fns0jze1-1227563471336

    Just sayin’ …

    Yeah! Where’s ToSY?

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 10, 2015 10:57 am

    This is one of the things that destroyed our auto industry

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/toyotas-altona-plant-to-start-21day-shutdown-amid-survival-fears-20131217-2zj05.html

    Workers at Toyota’s Altona plant will on Wednesday afternoon down tools for 21 days – the longest holiday shutdown at any of the car maker’s 54 plants across the globe…..Toyota has asked its 2500 employees at Altona to accept reduced conditions to help save the car plant.

    Toyota management knew it was all over when Unions would not agree to something perfectly reasonably.

    PS. TomR is a traitor to Australia.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2015 11:10 am

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/10/10/malcolm-turnbull-trade-deals-and-penalty-rates/14443956002474

    …One of them, Victorian Russell Broadbent, says businesspeople in his regional seat, particularly in hospitality and tourism, claim weekend penalty rates are killing them. This anecdotal argument is curious because they also told their local member they are really only busy at weekends…

    … Xenophon spells it out: they have led to much worse trade imbalances with partner countries. The Singapore deal, signed in 2003, has left us with a trade deficit of $8.9 billion, growing at 15 per cent a year. The Chile deal, completed in 2009, produced a trade deficit of $954 million, growing at the same rate. And the US deal, sealed in 2005, has gifted a $22 billion deficit growing at 4 per cent annually.

    Good business for somebody, of course. The Mafia would be proud…

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2015 5:57 pm

    PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES?

    PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull was heckled by his own party members during an address at the Liberal Party State Council yesterday while a miserable looking Tony Abbott watched on.

    In a sign that some of the party faithful are still bitter about the axing of Mr Abbott from the top job, Mr Turnbull was met by a chorus of laughter and jeers from sections of the crowd when he claimed the Liberal Party was “not run by factions”.

    The prime minister was ridiculed again when he announced that the Liberals were not run by “deals in back rooms”.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/malcolm-turnbull-booed-by-his-own-party-members-during-speech/story-fn5tas5k-1227564341518

    Now? Was it the ETS (commonly referred to as – Carbon Tax)? That won Abbott the last election? Or could it just have been all the infighting within the ALP, as many of us believe?

    Chuckle … if you ignore it … history oft repeats … 🙂

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2015 10:00 am

    So much for our Trade Agreements …

    According to an analysis by consumer group Choice, Australians pay an average of 50 per cent more for PC games, 34 per cent more for software, 52 per cent more for iTunes music and 41 per cent more for computer hardware than the US.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/how-aussies-are-saving-thousands/story-fnkgdftz-1227564756722

    Higher prices means higher taxes … why would the governmentS … fed/state/territory want to do anything about it?

    Democracy my arse … Robber Barons and peasants …

    Nothing is new … nothing changes …

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2015 1:36 pm

    Yes TB, this wonderful one-way globalisation that we had to have, no borders/barriers for business, but when the aussie consumer wants to do the same, suddenly there are all kinds of geographical pricing barriers and US companies refusing to export to australia if we can purchase the product here for 50% – 150% more. Basically it’s an extortion racket and australian business is demanding this protection for themselves.

    The australia tax should be something that is hotly debated in our parliament instead of secret TPP dealings where we end up worse off. They want our wages and penalties reduced but don’t dare let people buy anything cheaper and cut out the aussie rentseekers.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2015 7:02 pm

    I can’t believe an honorable statesman (and factional hack) like Bill Shorten would be involved in branch stacking!!

    And Stephen Conroy too!!

    Anonymous gift cards were used to pay the dues of hundreds of ALP members at the core of Bill Shorten’s local power base in one of the biggest-ever branch-stacking scams to hit the Victorian Labor party.
    Insiders close to it say the operation has run for years and is closely linked to the plumbers union and suburban Labor warlords loyal to Mr Shorten and fellow federal frontbencher, Stephen Conroy.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vic-labor-hit-by-mega-branchstack-scam-20151009-gk5qqs.html#ixzz3oFCFYyb3

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2015 8:27 pm

    Neither can I ToM … I guess we’ll have to wait for some evidence … I know you get impatient over facts and stuff … but if its true or not … we can’t rely on some hopeful opinions by a couple of (today’s) “journalist” now … can we?

    EG

    >The Labor leader’s close friend and confidant Andrew Landeryou was a key player in Asmar’s takeover of the HSU, and remains an important influence.

    In August, aspiring ALP numbers man Haykel Handal was expelled from the party after a tribunal found him guilty of using anonymous debit cards to pay for about 30 memberships in the federal seats of Maribyrnong, Gellibrand and Melbourne.

    Now, with the precedent firmly set, the party faces the dilemma of whether to investigate and take action over a much larger branch-stacking scam connected to more senior players in Shorten’s group.

    Gee, ToM, I hope no-one ever links us as having “communicated” for over a decade via “social media” … I could be in very deep shit … or you … 😉

    Metadata collection (just like rubbish collection really) begins on Tuesday … 🙂

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 9:01 am

    And there’s more – this should be funny!

    We’ll get lots of –
    • Quickly, look over there!
    • But, but, but…the TURC is biased
    • Heydon was going to speak at some Liberals lawyers dinner
    • Those witnesses are lying
    • What’s Kathy Jackson doing?

    Bill Shorten’s prime ministerial ambitions face a series of challenges in the coming fortnight as the trade union royal commission tests his account of controversial deals done in his former role as Australian Workers Union chief.
    The Opposition Leader’s record faces 10 days of scrutiny from Monday with political and media attention on the evidence of eight executives from building giant Thiess John Holland over Melbourne’s $2.5 billion EastLink tollway project.
    The executives, including former Thiess John Holland figures Stephen Sasse and Julian Rzesniowiecki, are likely to be grilled about $300,000 in payments to the AWU after a landmark industrial agreement on the project in the mid-2000s saved the builder up to $100 million.

    People know at the time that the Easlink agreement was dodgy, and the AWU was doing dodgy deals with financial benefits because they were broke. Shorten sold agreements, and the Eastlink one started a turf war with the CFMEU.

    • Dodgy union official
    • Dodgy factional warlord
    • Dodgy politician
    • Dodgy Opposition Leader

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-braces-for-renewed-commission-scrutiny-20151009-gk5qln.html#ixzz3oIaKonBJ

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 9:03 am

    People know knew at the time

    Catching up is my editor

  64. October 12, 2015 9:20 am

    Catching up is my editor

    🙂

  65. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 9:23 am

    People know at the time that the Easlink agreement was dodgy

    lol. “people” at the time were lauding it, from both sides of politics. It was a win win, for everyone, workers and business. Both were “better off”

    I do note that you first lot of dot points was largely accurate, the second lot reverted to your usual blather of smear.

    Completely coincidental that “leaked documents” comes to fairfax again just as the non-partisan turc gets Shorten in it’s sights … again …. is it not?

    What’s Kathy Jackson doing?

    What’s her latest charity thingy doing is probably the better question? 😉

  66. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 9:23 am

    Or could it just have been all the infighting within the ALP

    I don’t disagree that that played it’s role in the downfall of the Gillard Governemnt, but, to my mind, the media, or, should I say, lack of it, played the biggest. As I have often argued, if the “journos” had not taken rudds (or whoever was doing the leaking) words as gospel, and then built so many conclusions from those said leaks, then the backgrounding and destabilising would not have been very successful.

    On top of that, add in the “journos” unabashed love affair with yabot, and the free passes handed to him daily, and then hte rabid and quite mindless attacks on anything Labor from one particular monopoly media outfit, and their lies the real cause of the downfall.

    ie, if our media weren’t so broken, megolamaniacs like rudd couldn’t play their mindless media games.

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/why-country-needs-abc-because.html#.VhrPamscFfA

  67. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 9:43 am

    The ball is still in turnbulls court. Will he come out to play, or do a yabot and take his bat and ball?

    Labor will release details of its plan to safeguard Australian jobs under the China free trade agreement, trade spokeswoman Penny Wong says.

    And she has challenged Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to take a different tack to his predecessor Tony Abbott and negotiate over the proposals, rather than “hurling insults at anyone who raised concerns”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/penny-wong-challenges-malcolm-turnbull-to-negotiate-on-china-free-trade-agreement-20151010-gk65kr.html#ixzz3oImhpYGL
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  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 10:24 am

    The deal was lauded by construction companies because it got rid of a range of inefficiencies, like inflexible RDOs and shift work.

    But AMWU, CFMEU & ETU hated it. CFMEU considered it an attack on hard won working conditions

    We now see that the deal helped bail out the near bankrupt AWU to the tune of $300,000.

    That was handy.

  69. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 10:27 am

    Did the workers complain yomm?

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 10:42 am

    So do you think the only applicable criterion is whether workers complain?

    Not whether $300,000 was paid.

    I’m quite comfortable that it undercut some old fashioned limitations.

  71. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 10:48 am

    So do you think the only applicable criterion is whether workers complain?

    Yor not trying to words into my mouth again is ya yomm?

    Not whether $300,000 was paid.

    What was the cost of the construction again yomm, just for context?

    I’m quite comfortable that it undercut some old fashioned limitations.

    You mean those things you used to call “extortions”?

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:05 am

    I agree. That’s the easy think about bribery. It is always justified on the basis of it being such a small part of the cost of doing business.

    $300,000 is nothing!

  73. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:08 am

    Seems like turd is setting Shorten up again, after falling flat on it’s face the first time.

  74. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:08 am

    $300,000 is nothing!

    What, when you compare it to worker safety. or your pay packet?

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:16 am

    That’s the easy think about bribery. It is always justified on the basis of it being such a small part of the cost of doing business.

    At least, that’s what Robber Barons (and wannabes) believe … its also the way many of them operate 😉

    You seem to think and describe these negotiations as one sided …

    And why do you think … But AMWU, CFMEU & ETU hated it. CFMEU considered it an attack on hard won working conditions … ?

    First you rail against unions and ordinary workers hard won pay and conditions and now your siding with the CFMEU … make your mind up … or is this a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend … just like the Liberal government … flip-flop, flip-flop …

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:18 am

    BTW … I think you meant “thing” …

    That’s the easy think about bribery.

    🙂

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:20 am

    now your siding with the CFMEU

    I think you mean “you’re”

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:23 am

    I’m not siding with the CFMEU, but when cash changes hands during negotiations, and the result is something quite unusual that hadn’t previously been available it’s reasonable to ask questions about whether the cash was paid for any particularly benefit, other than training that was not delivered.

  79. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:28 am

    That’s the easy think about bribery.

    Where oh where is Catching Up when needed, especially when yomm is throwing pedant stones around elsewhere.

    and the result is something quite unusual

    You mean achieving a position where all parties are happy. FUCK THAT! Let’s get back to the battlefield!

    You know, before you start “thinking” about bribery yomm, you really need evidence of it, not accusations from a liberal attack dog wearing silks that were explained in the initial stitch up (you know, when the lord of bias told Shorten to shut up and stop defending himself with facts)

  80. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 11:40 am

    Meanwhile, Industry Super Funds (BOO) highlight the gouging the big four banks are inflicting on the’ri victims customers

    The big four big banks are snaffling an outsized share of fees generated by the $2 trillion superannuation industry, according to research commissioned by Industry Super Australia (ISA) as it steps up a fight against government moves to overhaul the not-for-profit sector’s governance structure.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/superannuation-and-smsfs/big-banks-grab-10b-in-super-fees-industry-funds-say-20151011-gk68e2#ixzz3oJGCFvOx
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  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 12:01 pm

    A bankrupt union does an incredibly innovative deal with a major construction company that saves it MILLONS & MILLIONS & MILLONS & MILLIONS & MILLONS & MILLIONS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    The bankrupt union is paid $300,000 for undisclosed and undelivered services.

    Nothing at all to be interested in.

  82. October 12, 2015 12:34 pm

    Jesus!

    Author and Fairfax columnist Sam de Brito found dead in North Bondi home

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/author-and-fairfax-columinist-sam-de-brito-found-dead-in-north-bondi-home-20151012-gk6qgy.html?utm_campaign=echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1444613528#ixzz3oJTnd2v6
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  83. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 12:48 pm

    A bankrupt union

    ????

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 12:48 pm

    46, but no mention of how he died, sreb … 😦

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 12:49 pm

    A bankrupt union

    ????

    Why does anyone bother?

  86. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 12:59 pm

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 1:29 pm

    Is there a problem with “bankrupt”?

    Perhaps I should have said-
    *financially stuffed, or
    *insolvent, or
    * in a parlous financial situation

    But whatever the semantics, Shorten was fixing the situation by making really innovative, employer friendly agreements while taking $300,000 from the companies negotiating the agreements.

  88. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 1:35 pm

    You got a link for that yomm?

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:08 pm

    Do you mean it isn’t common knowledge that the AWU was broke when Shorten tool over?

  90. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:17 pm

    hard to believe without a link yomm

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:21 pm

    … tool over?

    I think you meant “took” … but “tool” seems appropriate … 🙂

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:31 pm

    It can all be very entertaining!

    CFMEU blames AWU for their Westgate bridge turf war and the HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$ fines they had to pay.

    http://www.cfmeuvic.com.au/downloads/workexpress/awu-sells-outdocx.pdf

  93. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:40 pm

    It can all be very entertaining!

    Of cause it can, with spellin nazis trolling the interwebs and not gettin it write themselves n all

    BUT

    All I asked for was somefink to back up your claim about the AWU’s parlous state of financial affairs.

    Not more of your CFMEU barracking 😉

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:43 pm

    Certainly is … entertaining … the flip-flops are really funny … wonder who Sasse is paid by now …

    Mr Sasse also said he left the meeting with Mr Shorten with an understanding that the AWU organiser would cost $100,000 a year, equal to $300,000 over the three years of the project.

    However Mr Sasse was questioned about a previous interview with the commission lawyers, given in June this this year, in which he said Mr Shorten did not name a specific figure and he had arrived at the $100,000 figure by “putting two and two together”.
    Mr Sasse said he recalled that “a number was discussed”.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/shorten-suggested-paid-organiser/story-fni0xqi4-1227566133927#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fbreaking-news%2Fshorten-suggested-paid-organiser%2Fstory-fni0xqi4-1227566133927%7Cstory%7CShorten%20'suggested%20paid%20organiser'&itmt=1444621002000

    Maybe, might, guessed, discussed, could, should, would hey ho … good job its not a murder trial!

  95. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:55 pm

    good job its not a murder trial!

    Don’t let that fool you, they are out to kill someone 😉

    Mind you, the more they speak, the more we see just what a battlefield Industrial Relations is. And everyone blames ‘teh’ Unions (BOO)

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 2:56 pm

    I’m amazed that there are politically aware people who (apparently) didn’t know the AWU was just about broke when Shorten took over.

    EVERYONE knows that!

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 3:09 pm

    EVERYONE knows that!

    Well, I’m quite obviously not EVERYONE, so would appreciate some convincing, more in the form of documentary evidence rather than simple assertions.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 3:22 pm

    Way back when I had a small interest in what unions were up to, I used to love the way Steven Sasse would make some provocative statement, and attract the unions to whatever he was doing.

    People loved the way he hogged the spotlight!
    —————
    I’m asserting that the AWU was just about broke, and there is no need for me to bother to satisfy anyone else.

    They were a basket case, ready for insolvency. Shorten fixed that up.

  99. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 3:23 pm

    In other words, yor just adding made up garnish for your smeargosbord

    Thanks for clarifying 😉

  100. October 12, 2015 3:33 pm

    “”EVERYONE knows that!””

    Yom’s mates…?

  101. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 3:34 pm

    Yom’s mates…?

    Are you sure that’s plural reb?

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 4:08 pm

    It’s common knowledge among all my mates, and some that aren’t.

    The AU was a basket case hen Shorten took over, it had coverage of manufacturing (employment in decline), a really bad reputation with other unions union members and their mining and construction coverage was leaking to CFMEU.

    Shorten and his mates got the union back to being solvent, and some contributions for expensive “training” (that may not have been delivered) from employers probably helped.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 4:21 pm

    … the more we see just what a battlefield Industrial Relations

    My business mentor* was the Personnel Manager of a company of 500 on three shifts – he initially employed me as the OH&S Officer … and I saw him manipulate the unions occasionally … he often had me in his office as a witness (note taker) …

    The best line I ever heard during a heated “discussion” (Federated Iron Workers)

    Union Sec … “… everyone deserves a job”

    PM … “… I agree! But not necessarily here!”

    I also recall him hiring five buses to take members into an important union meeting in Brisbane … he wanted a particular item to pass … and knew the employees in our factory would vote for it …

    * His two most important suggestions to me … quit smoking … and … you have to go back to school … I did both!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Way back when I had a small interest in what unions were up to …

    So nothing’s changed then?

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2015 4:31 pm

    My business mentor – we now know who to blame.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 4:32 pm

    (that may not have been delivered)

    There’s that word again (my bold)

    As an aside … lack of workers involvement with unions these days “MAY” account for a fall in real wages have shown a dramatic decline …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/wage-growth

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 4:33 pm

    My business mentor – we now know who to blame.

    … I think you meant “thank” … 😉

  107. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2015 5:18 pm

    It’s common knowledge among all my mates

    What’s their thesis on the state of the Great Barrier Reef?

    lack of workers involvement with unions these days “MAY” account for a fall in real wages

    It just might 😉

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 5:28 pm

    de Brito …

    A spokesman from Waverly Local Area Command told news.com.au that his death was not suspicious and there was nothing to suggest that it was a suicide.

    The cause of death will be determined by an autopsy.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/columnist-sam-de-brito-46-found-dead-in-sydney-home/story-fnj3rq0y-1227565985015

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2015 6:34 pm

    So what has changed ….? Good government? A new Era?

    PRIVATE companies may soon be able hide their taxation details from public scrutiny again if a federal government-led Senate inquiry has its way.

    BUT Labor and the Greens believe if the bill is passed it will erode public confidence in the tax system.

    Government senators released a report recommending support for a bill that repeals the former Labor government laws that requires private companies with revenue above $100 million to publish their revenue, taxable income and tax paid.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/senators-want-repeal-of-transparency-laws/story-fni6ul2m-1227566505648#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C4%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2Fnews%2Fbreaking-news%2Fsenators-want-repeal-of-transparency-laws%2Fstory-fni6ul2m-1227566505648%7Cstory%7CSenators%20want%20repeal%20of%20transparency%20laws&itmt=1444635194285

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 13, 2015 8:59 am

    “The cause of death will be determined by an autopsy.”

    Here’s a clue:

    “I’ve done every drug imaginable”

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2015 9:59 am

    So when all the sworn evidence is completed and Shorten finishes up looking (accurately) like a grub, will he return to try to salvage his reputation or just rely on the chorus of ‘bias’?

    Either way he looks stuffed

  112. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2015 10:11 am

    “I’ve done every drug imaginable”

    Victim of yet another “hot shot”.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2015 10:22 am

    Meet the Three Stooges Musketeers! Chuckle … 🙂

    Even lynch mobs get it right sometimes … but that’s luck … not evidence … 😉

  114. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 10:31 am

    Either way he looks stuffed

    And let’s face it, “looks” is all they got.

    Smear smear smear.

    When it’s all you have, smear , smear again.

    The nation’s construction union will submit CCTV footage to support its claims police breached procedural rules during a raid of the ACT headquarters.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/cfmeu-case-adjourned-as-cctv-footage-raised-20151012-gk6wnf.html#ixzz3oOpObJvS
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  115. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2015 10:48 am

    “The nation’s construction union will submit CCTV footage to support its claims ………..”

    What………………the cameras were not covered by banners this time around ?

  116. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 10:50 am

    And today, Big Brother the reality (not show) begins.

    Or does it?

    Just 16 per cent of telcos are ready to retain and encrypt the data required of them, according to an industry survey conducted over the past two weeks by peak body the Communications Alliance.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/telcos-confused-and-unprepared-for-new-data-retention-laws-20151012-gk6zq1.html#ixzz3oOtwkEIU
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    And for a short history lesson for our benevolent backflipper in chief

    Surely as we reflect on the consequences of the digital shift from a default of forgetting to one of perpetual memory we should be seeking to restore as far as possible the individual’s right not simply to their privacy but to having the right to delete that which they have created in the same way as can be done in the analogue world,”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/new-metadata-laws-malcolm-turnbulls-powerful-case-against-data-retention-20151012-gk702z.html#ixzz3oOuFIv2K
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    But it’s different when you’re a right winger in opposition. cos, oppositions oppose, don’t they.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2015 11:07 am

    Smear???

    It’s sworn evidence and Shorten will decide whether he seeks to put his version on the record or simply rely on –
    * it’s biased
    * but, but, but…he was going to speak at a lawyers dinner organised ny the Libs
    * it’s just not fair that these people are giving sworn evidence

  118. October 13, 2015 11:09 am

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  119. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 11:21 am

    It’s sworn evidence

    Which is funnily different to the previous “sworn” evidence. And the “sworn” “evidence” is complete with might, may, perhaps when “maybe” agreeing (or not) with the accusers accusations.

    It’s laughable. And the media can’t even get the “accusations” right as they fall over themselves to perpetuate the smear.

  120. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 11:33 am

    it’s just not fair that these people are giving sworn contradictory evidence

    Does anyone get the feeling that Shorten is being set up for someone elses sins?

  121. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2015 11:39 am

    “Does anyone get the feeling that Shorten is being set up for someone elses sins?”

    Of course………..that’s the only possible explanation ………….LOL

  122. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 11:53 am

    that’s the only possible explanation

    It’s not an “explanation”, it’s what is happening. They are asking about time with Melham?? but reports link to Shorten. Only “link” is for a guy who said “maybe, might” after changing his original story.

  123. October 13, 2015 11:58 am

    “”Does anyone get the feeling that Shorten is being set up for someone elses sins?””

    Do you mean, like Craig Thomson……??

    Did they ever find who stole his drivers licence and credit card, and then put it back again after going on a shagging spree at the local knock shop?

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2015 12:35 pm

  125. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2015 12:41 pm

    “Did they ever find who stole his drivers licence and credit card, and then put it back again after going on a shagging spree at the local knock shop?”

    No but……………That’s only because they didn’t investigate the matter thoroughly enough

  126. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 12:57 pm

    That’s only because they didn’t investigate the matter thoroughly enough

    Weird isn’t it. I mean, it might only confirm Thomsons words if they did perhaps?

    How much did Thomson get stitched up for in the end on some trumped up bank related charge rather than anything Union related after the claims of hundreds of thousands?

    It’s all smoke and mirrors, much like is going on right now.

    Looks like Thiess may have done some dodgy dealing with Shortens replacement, but the smoke drifts to Shorten, and there it stays. And, it looks more like the dodge was more on the side of Thiess than the Union. From whats coming out, Thiess is looking dodgy as all shit.

  127. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2015 1:01 pm

    “Weird isn’t it. I mean, it might only confirm Thomsons words if they did perhaps?”

    First ever Fully Verified photo of TomR discovered………………….

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2015 1:05 pm

    It’s sworn evidence

    jesus effing Christ. ToM … even the fkn commissioner is dodgy? And the “evidence” keeps shifting like sewerage down a clogged drain … it keeps coming back up a different shade of shite!

    From whats coming out, Thiess is looking dodgy as all shit.

    It certainly doo … doo

    Evidence my arse … shit has a habit of stinking and sticking!

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2015 1:08 pm

    First ever Fully Verified photo of TomR discovered………………….

    And you’re*** the one who actually lives on the beach … hey!

  130. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 1:11 pm

    yea wally, so wishing that the authorities would look into a claim made that had such significance to our polity is hiding ones head in the sand.

    Hilarious

  131. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2015 1:46 pm

    From your link AO

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership is more about protectionism than trade. It was conceived as a regional defence pact, to corral Pacific Rim nations into a formal bloc in an effort to counter the rising military and economic might of China.

    And it more about protecting Americas interests than anyone elses.

  132. USS Iron Triangle permalink
    October 13, 2015 2:47 pm

    “I never forget that our military strength ultimately rests on the foundation of a vibrant, unmatched, and growing economy,” he said.

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2015 3:50 pm

    I’ve been playing a Beta (freebie) version the new Star Wars game Battlefront over the last few days (today’s the last freebie day) …

    When you get bumped off it shows your “killer” (like most FPS) …

    This morning I copped it and nearly fell out of my chair laughing!

    Up popped … “Killed by Barnaby_Joyce” … LOL!

  134. F35s, Subs, Nukes, Anything permalink
    October 13, 2015 3:53 pm

    He went on to list US defence department investments that would be especially relevant to the Asia-Pacific.

  135. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 9:28 am

    Hello……………………………………….is there anybody out there ?????????????????

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 14, 2015 9:42 am

    I don’t like the way Turnbull became PM but i agree with this statement about our boat people problems.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F1d38c79d-f3f8-401a-81d0-e364715774a5%2F0136%22

    I well remember the days in 2009, when I was the opposition leader, arguing with Kevin Rudd, the then Prime Minister. I remember the Labor Party then saying that our domestic policy was irrelevant. I remember that. We begged the Labor Party not to change John Howard’s policy, and you did—50,000 arrivals since, thousands dead at sea, billions of dollars spent and endless misery occasioned by Labor misrule.

    Our budget, border, car manufacturing and a host of other problems can all be traced to the Rudd/Gillard govt.

  137. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 9:46 am

    Mark Kenny does his best to polish the CHAFTA turd for the libs this morning

    A substantial backdown by Labor which now proposes relatively minor changes having previously depicted the trade pact as a bad deal for Australian workers, has been met by a new flexibility under Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-and-labor-to-talk-turkey-on-chinaaustralia-free-trade-deal-20151013-gk7t0m.html#ixzz3oUQKE45e
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    He doesn’t say HOW it is a back down on any level. Labor have ALWAYS said they wanted to discuss a compromise, and have ALWAYS been supportive of obtaining the CHAFTA agreement, They have also ALWAYS maintained that, correctly, the text of the agreement DOES threaten Australian jobs.

    It is the libs who have done the “backdown” on their position from their previous postion that there is nothing wrong. Now, they are at least talking. It was obvious they had to, because it was obvious the deal was a dud in it’s current form. Something HAD to change.

    But kenny glosses over completely the fact that yabot sold Australian workers out, again. He even goes on to say that “the government has characterised [the muted changes] as unnecessary but probably harmless as it is consistent with elements already specified”, but doesn’t bother to raise the MANY times it has been shown that [the muted changes] are VERY necessary to help protect Australian jobs (and conditions) because the actual text of the agreement bypass the “elements already specified”.

    Meanwhile, his rag has Shorten on the front page with leading “quotes” from liberal friendly Union haterz, but the articles are scant on actual details of the cross examination yesterday by Dr Hanscombe in which she extracted that the libs toy boy couldn’t say for sure if the invoices were fake or not. In other words, he didn’t know.

    Yet we are not presented with that little tit bit under headlines screaming “fake invoices” … Shorten (or the fact that Shorten had left the Union at the time of these alleged “fake” invoices.

    It is the same oold play as the CFMEU cleaning their offices after a merger recently, with great headlines about hte “shredding” of documents, ignoring the reality that that is PRECISELY how offices are cleaned out in todays environment. EVERYTHING is shredded.

    A massive witch hunt, aided and abetted by ALL of our major media outlets.

    ltdnews just sit back and watch theirabc and farfax do their work for them.

  138. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 10:49 am

    “Yet we are not presented with that little tit bit under headlines screaming “fake invoices” ……”

    Clearly this set up of Shorten is brought to us by the same “Production Team” that set up Craig Thomson.

    Clearly some very clever people out there getting all these people to perjure themselves just to get Billy Boy

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 14, 2015 10:51 am

    Yep, all those guys are perjuring themselves to support this biased Royal Commission. They’re only admitting to their own corruption for the benefit of the Libs!

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2015 11:16 am

    Clearly some very clever people out there getting all these people to perjure themselves just to get Billy Boy

    I’d start with the Commissioner Heydon … hey, he done it alright … the whole sham is operated by a fkn deceitful liar, abusing absolute power just to perpetrate the Liberal Party ideology … its like watching the Nazis in the 1930’s …

  141. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 11:25 am

    ” … its like watching the Nazis in the 1930’s …”

    Yes…………..of course it is. How silly of us to think otherwise.

  142. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 11:26 am

    Rightwingers and there high foreheads…………………….dead giveaway

  143. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 11:27 am

    I mean “their”

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2015 12:07 pm

    Thanks for your** take on that, Wally … but as usual looking at the person … I was referring to Heydon’s actions and behaviour … not his “looks” …

    Playing the personal abstracts (distracts?) as usual …

  145. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 12:31 pm

    all those guys are perjuring themselves

    well, it you bothered to read the text, and, as I “attempted” to highlight above, those ‘guys’ aren’t exactly ” perjuring themselves”. They are being told by the accuser (sorry, “Counsel Assisting”) that “those invoices look fake, don’t they”, to which they reply “maybe”

    Upon cross examination, we find that, in reality, they wouldn’t know a fake invoice if crawled up their arse, but we still get the glaring headlines about “fake invoices” on a day when, in reality, nothing happened (except a Union working with an employer for a better outcome all round).

    The entire headline has come solely from the accuser (sorry, “Counsel Assisting”), and not from any ACTUAL testimony of the witnesses.

    On the other side, it was interesting to note that the company men were quite happy to admit to trying to provoke the CFMEU into taking unlawful action as a matter of course, and yet that is not big news. Everyone goes on about Union “bully boys”. But from the commission, we learn that the real “bully boys” are the companies the Unions are trying to negotiate with. We also learn that having a fully paid Union Non-Working Delegate is absolutely normal (even 20 of them), but here they (the witch hunt) are bitching about one.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/12-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    So yes wally, I AGREE!! Clearly this set up of Shorten is brought to us by the same “Production Team” that set up Craig Thomson.

  146. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 12:49 pm

    “…………those ‘guys’ aren’t exactly ” perjuring themselves”. ….”

    Cherry picking as usual TomR.

    You left out the bit where they confirm Shorten was involved in the discussions. He might not have “executed” the final agreement but these guys are confirming he was involved.

    Funny how you keep leaving important bits out ……………..ay ?

  147. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 1:05 pm

    You left out the bit where they confirm Shorten was involved in the discussions.

    I MY GOD

    A Union negotiator was in a Union negotiation with a company who actually negotiated with them!!!

    HOLD THE PRESS!!

    I mean, it IS still illegal to negotiate an EBA isn’t it??

    So, WHAT precisely has Shorten (or the AWU for that fact) done wrong here?

    Their workers were well compensated for giving up some conditions. The company was happy to be able to plan their work with these arrangements.

    EVERYONE WON. But UNIONS BOO!!

    So please, what is wrong with what went on?

  148. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 1:34 pm

    “So please, what is wrong with what went on?”

    Raising false/bogus invoices is illegal and your good buddy Billy Boy was still state secretary of the AWU until August 2007.

  149. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 1:45 pm

    Raising false/bogus invoices is illegal

    So, as I said, you/they need to provide some actual proof of that.

    As I tried to point out earlier, having a guy saying “maybe”, and then under cross examination finding out he couldn’t tell a false invoice from a hole in the ground doesn’t even mean there were any false invoices. It’s an accusation, made by the chief inquisitor (sorry, “Counsel Assisting”), but it has not had any documentary proof that they were. Just a load of people saying “might, may”.

    If it IS bogus, then PROVE it.

    Shouldn’t be too hard, after all, they have truckloads of paper trails that weren’t “shredded”, and much more in soft copy.

    But they’d rather stick with “might and maybe”, and let the media do the hard yards of finding anyone guilty by implication.

  150. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 1:56 pm

    “….If it IS bogus, then PROVE it….”

    “The main purpose was to disguise the fact that we were funding an organiser,”

    -Mr Rzesniowiecki

    Alternatively he’s just perjuring himself on behalf of the Liberal Party.

    Keep trying TomR !

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/awu-sold-out-over-36hour-week-union-royal-commission-told-20151013-gk80dh.html#ixzz3oVVNvGoA

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 2:16 pm

    The coalition conservative meltdown is happening in the US too.

    Why Today’s GOP Crackup Is the Final Unraveling of Nixon’s ‘Southern Strategy’
    http://www.thenation.com/article/why-todays-gop-crackup-is-the-final-unraveling-of-nixons-southern-strategy/

    I’m liking Bernie Sanders, I’d like some mature and intelligent debate about these things as well. If only.

    The Presidential Debate Question No One Is Asking: ‘Are You a Capitalist?’
    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-presidential-debate-question-no-one-is-asking-are-you-a-capitalist/

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 2:25 pm

    Attorney-General’s Dept proven comprehensively unable to administer Data Retention scheme:
    https://delimiter.com.au/2015/10/12/attorney-generals-dept-proven-comprehensively-unable-to-administer-data-retention-scheme/

    …However, the data also showed that the Government had not proven able to approve the vast majority of implementation plans, with most telcos never having heard back from the Attorney-General’s Department, despite complying with the law and filing their implementation plan. Attorney-General George Brandis oversees the department.

    As a result, about 82 percent of the 63 companies who responded to the survey will not be compliant with the legislation which comes into force today, despite their own best efforts…

  153. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 2:27 pm

    Keep Trying wally. Why not read the transcript, and the cross examination from the Union side, that shoots down all the mealy mouthed shit the Union Haterz dribble.

    DR HANSCOMBE: Q. All right. Let’s turn to a bit of the detail of this.
    You have, since you had your private hearing, you told the
    Commission, gone through the invoices and you can only find
    four invoices where you have doubts about the provision of
    the actual services; is that right?

    A. Well, not so much doubt about the provision, but,
    I mean, they describe – you know, they don’t really
    accurately describe what was provided.

    So, only four invoices he’s not happy with. But then, in the following questioning, it is clear that this guy didn’t really know much about what was being provided or when, so again, it is just him “guessing”. And this all relies his contention that hte Union wanted the deal kept secret. But on the Union side we have.

    Q. I can tell you that the annual returns of the AWU show
    line items of services rendered to Thiess John Holland as
    income received. That doesn’t sound as though they’re
    being kept secret, does it?
    A. No, that’s – perhaps not.

    Then we get to the four incoices in questioning
    Q. The four invoices that you query are the four that you
    identified before lunch; correct?
    A. I’m not querying them.
    Q. You’re not querying them?
    A. No. I’m just – if I’m in dispute with anyone, it’s
    with Counsel Assisting about the nature of the invoice.
    Q. I thought that you queried that the relevant services
    invoiced had never occurred?
    A. No, I’m not.
    Q. I’m wrong about that?
    A. No, I’m saying that all the invoices related – all 28
    invoices that were paid relate to the arrangement that was
    agreed, and I’m just saying that if you look at the
    descriptions on those invoices, such as the back strain
    example, you know, it’s, you know, highly unlikely that we
    received any – that there’s any back strain
    , you know,
    study undertaken. That’s all I’m saying.

    But you get the gist. Basically, again, he’s said what they want to hear, but, it’s only his opinion, and, when the FACTS are presented, his “opinion” is worth zilch

    Q. My instructions are that in fact there was back strain
    research being conducted at the time and it was a project
    in collaboration with the WorkCover Authority in Victoria.
    Do you know about that?
    A. I don’t know about that.
    Q. You don’t dispute that?
    A. I don’t dispute it. It may have happened.

    Oh, by the way, the above is from the actual turc transcript, not the “cherry picked” extracts from the media hit squad.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/13-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    Q. You don’t dispute any of this so far? No. You just
    didn’t know about it?
    A. That’s correct.
    Q. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen?
    A. No. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, no.
    Q. No, that’s right. So when you sat there in the
    witness box and said, “I don’t think we would have done
    that”, in fact, you may well have done that; right?
    A. Perhaps, yes.

    He’s fucken clueless. How much do they pay these muppets?

  154. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 2:28 pm

    Attorney-General’s Dept proven comprehensively unable to administer Data Retention scheme:

    Does this mean that we will be paying more for internet now for compliance? Is that a “tax”?

  155. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 2:33 pm

    Our pm, leading by example

    “There is only one reason people invest in the Cayman Islands – so they don’t have to play by the same rules of the rest of us,” Dastyari continued.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/economy/whats-malcolms-money-doing-in-the-cayman-islands/

    http://d3bo5ucoqkgs8h.cloudfront.net/7HMc1/3/

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 3:01 pm

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 3:04 pm

    huh?

  158. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 3:54 pm

    “Morrison saying that private companies having to disclose their financials (like public companies) somehow advantages public companies.”

    Of course it will but you dont need to be Einstein to work that out do ya .

  159. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 4:06 pm

    Wow, just wow

    It appears that wally is writing for theirabc now. Or, they are being fed from the same drip he is

    Mr Rzesniowiecki told the commission on Tuesday that he approved some invoices for payment to the AWU as part of a deal to provide them with funding to cover organiser costs, but the true reason for these was hidden by descriptions such as advertising or training.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-14/eastlink-senior-manager-admits-he-hid-awu-side-deal/6854046

    This went up just now (well, 10 minutes ago)

    The transcript, including the big chunk I pasted above with the Unions Lawyer exposing that those four invoices this raft of headlines has generated were all on the Unions books and corroborated within the Unions statements, and the guys claiming “they might be fake” didn’t and still don’t have a clue just went on.

    All they wanted to do was keep it hush hush (from their parent company from the looks)

    The killer from theirabc, is right down the bottom

    However Mr Sasse said he dropped the idea when Mr Shorten told him in a phone call that the construction union, the CFMEU, would have to come on board the industrial negotiations.

    The Union NEVER made a secret out of hte deal, in fact, as the transcript showed, THEY ADVERTISED IT!!

    But this mindless, repetitive, baseless smear continues.

    But, at least the turd aint politically motivated, hey 😉

  160. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 4:08 pm

    “Q. The invoices were made out —

    A. — that we didn’t want to describe them as providing,
    you know, an organiser, you know, paying funds for an
    organiser, so —

    Q. You didn’t want to say that?

    A. We didn’t want to say that.

    Q. But in truth that was your understanding of why the
    funds were being paid over?

    A. That’s correct…………..”

    So that = Bogus/False invoices

  161. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 4:22 pm

    So that = Bogus/False invoices

    No, that = what he wants people to believe, or even what he wants himself to believe.

    As I pointed out, at length, the “bogus” invoices had matching receipts at the Union, FOR SERVICES RENDERED

    Just because this numpty didn’t think there was an issue with back, doesn’t mean there wasn’t.

    My instructions are that in fact there was back strain
    research being conducted at the time

    I particularly liked this bit from the transcript though

    Q. You just assumed that it hadn’t happened; isn’t that
    right? There’s nothing wrong with assumptions, people make
    assumptions.
    A. I just – yes. Anyway, I have no awareness that it
    actually happened.
    Q. And you can’t say it didn’t?
    A. Okay. Well, I won’t say that it didn’t happen.

    Well, sorry numpty, but your whole “bogus invoices” RESTS on you specifically saying IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!!

    Which kinds of leaves numpty’s, wally’s and theirabc’s ‘scenario’ in tatters.

  162. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 4:51 pm

    “Just because this numpty didn’t think there was an issue with back, doesn’t mean there wasn’t.”

    Yet no one can find the report.

    Keep tryin’

  163. Walrus permalink
    October 14, 2015 5:07 pm

    “FOR SERVICES RENDERED”

    Does it describe the “services” ?

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 5:29 pm

    No more intrigue, no more conflicts of interest. Liberal party reform is urgent
    John Ruddick
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/17/after-five-prime-ministers-in-five-years-liberal-party-reform-is-urgent

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 5:44 pm

    It’s gotta be a good song if it has the line “I don’t care about no Andrew Bolt” in it.

    It is actually.

  166. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 6:10 pm

    Yet no one can find the report.

    Ask Incolink , they were contracted to do that report on back strain. Nobody has disputed it was done, numpty just doesn’t remmeber it. And hasn’t disputed it was.

    Does it describe the “services” ?

    Oh, in detail

    Q. There are two training invoices for health and safety
    reps to be trained, invoices 16425, 16485 which are at
    pages 210 and 211 of Shorten MFI-9. You saw these before
    with Counsel Assisting, I think. They’re the other two
    invoices where you say you don’t think the training
    occurred; is that correct?

    ………

    Q. Are they the two other invoices where you say you
    don’t think the services were provided?
    A. That’s correct.
    Q. Why do you think those services weren’t provided?
    A. Because I didn’t recall us organising, you know, that
    quantity of training. The individual invoices where the
    person attending was named, I think they were very likely
    to have happened, but this seemed a bit more unlikely to
    me.
    Q. Yes. And that’s the only basis for you doubting that
    the training occurred; is that right?
    A. I can’t recall. Is this also the invoice that was
    subsequently discounted because the amount was over or not?
    I can’t recall. No, that wasn’t —

    ……….

    Q. But there was a significant amount of training,
    including Red Card training, that was provided off that
    site, wasn’t there?
    A. Down at Morwell, yes.
    Q. Down at Morwell in the precast yard?
    A. By the AWU.
    Q. By the AWU?
    A. Correct.
    Q. That did occur?
    A. That did occur.

    ………..

    Q. Okay. Counsel Assisting put to you on many occasions
    that the invoices that the AWU had rendered to you were
    false invoices and —

    ….

    Q. Yes. I know you thought they weren’t provided but in
    fact I’ve asked you, you can’t, as you sit there, say “That
    wasn’t provided, I know for a fact”?
    A. That’s correct.

    ……

    Q. There’s not one of those invoices you can point to and
    say “That didn’t happen”, to your own knowledge, is there?
    A. Well, we’ve discussed the ones that I thought and
    you – yes, I agree with you, I can’t categorically say that
    they didn’t happen.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/13-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    And yet the media as a whole is STILL harping on about “false invoices”

    MUPPPETS!

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2015 6:26 pm

    Only in the NSW Liberal Party does the party vet it’s members private opinions. Seems the freedom party does not like free speech and opinions that criticise their own leadership and policy.

    Silence Of The Liberal Lambs: A Scathing Critique Of the NSW Liberals
    http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=6705

    The motion is not about a controversial issue of policy; it is a censure motion, targeting a member of the Young Liberals for daring to have an opinion on policy, and for challenging Liberal members of parliament on policy, principles and values. It is symptomatic of a culture that seeks to silence robust policy debate. It is a culture that seemingly only exists in the New South Wales Liberal Party, while other states and territories actively encourage rigorous policy debate both inside and outside party forums…

  168. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 6:42 pm

    Again, for the slow and stupid

    No, I’m not looking directly at you wally

    Q. There’s not one of those invoices you can point to and
    say “That didn’t happen”, to your own knowledge, is there?
    A. Well, we’ve discussed the ones that I thought and
    you – yes, I agree with you, I can’t categorically say that
    they didn’t happen.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/13-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

  169. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2015 6:45 pm

    Thiess Holland East Link AWU Agreement
    Key benefits of the Eastlink project agreement include:

    – pay rates start 3% above industry Award and rise 14% over three years;
    – double-time pay rates all day on Saturdays;
    – 36-hour week with 26 Rostered Days Off (RDOs) per year (13 fixed date and 13 flexible);
    – $4.50 per hour all purpose site allowance, increasing to $4.70 after 18 months;
    – employer superannuation contributions of 9% or $130 per week (whichever is greater), increasing to 11% or $150 weekly over three years;
    – $25 per day fares and travel allowance increasing over three years to $27;
    – 13 weeks paid maternity leave and one week paid paternity leave;
    – $0.45 per hour tunnel allowance;
    – compulsory arbitration by AIRC on disputes over agreement;
    – redundancy and income protection above industry standard;
    – performance bonus to reward productivity gains; and
    – preference for local Victorian labour where practical.
    The increased flexibility in setting the dates of RDOs could give workers more choice in taking time off while allowing urgent and critical work to be completed on time, the AWU said. Workers and management would jointly determine the dates of the 13 flexible RDOs; workers could take their preferred days off if management failed to notify them at least 15 days in advance.

    “Importantly, the agreement has protected the 26 RDOs and seven weekends for the 36-hour-week in a very tough climate,” Mr Shorten said.

    I’m still trying to find how the Agreement duded the workers

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/10/11/newspoll-50-50-10/?comment_page=24/#comment-2274648

    The whole East Link was such a success for the companies
    •2009 – Engineers Australia, Victoria Division – Award for Excellence in Infrastructure (over $20 Million)
    •2009 – Australian Constructors Association and Engineers Australia – Australian Construction Achievement Award
    •2009 – Architectural and Design Excellence in the South East Awards – Outstanding Social Impact; Outstanding Urban Design; and Chairman’s Premier Award
    •2009 – Public Relations Institute of Australia – Golden Target Award for Community Relations
    •2008 – Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, National Infrastructure Awards – Project of the Year
    •2007 – Victorian Spatial Excellence Awards – Infrastructure and Construction Award.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/10/11/newspoll-50-50-10/?comment_page=24/#comment-2274655

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2015 10:13 pm

    Q. But in truth that was your understanding of why the
    funds were being paid over?

    A. That’s correct…………..”

    So that = Bogus/False invoices

    ++++

    No! Its a fkn “understanding” = guess = I don’t know …

    Like one of your clients saying I think I’ve got $100,000 in super when they actually had $10,000 – but spent it! … the “knowledge” has absolutely NO VALUE!

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