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Shorten on the Skids as Malcolm Soars!

October 19, 2015

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The latest Fairfax Ipsos poll paints a picture of electoral Armageddon for the Federal Labor party as newly elected Prime Minister Malcom Turnbull enjoys a stellar ascension following the political assassination of former leader Tony Abbott.

It’s been a dramatic reversal in fortunes for the LNP, who had until recently enjoyed 14 months of consecutive polls predicting electoral annihilation under the stewardship of Tony Abbott.

The Ipsos poll has Labor’s primary vote collapsing to just 30 per cent, down by 6 points from two months ago.  The coalition is up seven points over the same period to 45 per cent.

On the crucial election-deciding two-party preferred basis, the coalition is ahead on 53 percentage points to Labor on 47 which would see the Coalition win in a landslide if an election were held tomorrow.

On the question of preferred Prime Minister Talcum is streets ahead of Blib with a Kevin Rudd like approval rating of 67 per cent compared to Bill Shorten on just 24 per cent.

Despite the dramatic turnaround for the Coalition, former leader Tony Abbott maintains that he could have won the next election.

All eyes will now be on Bill Shorten, who has until now relied on the simple fact that he’s not Tony Abbott to garner support.  His days may well be numbered.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2015 9:25 am

    Funny, I don’t recall similar headlines when Labor were wiping the floor with .. whatsisname

    But, looks like it’s Game On, and Labor will need to bring their

    Mind you, talcum has a lot of expectation to fill. So far, …crickets.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2015 12:31 pm

    If I recall (sure to be corrected) when Turncoat pissed* The Mad** Abbott off … the polls shot up to 54% for the Libs … and then settled to 50% … this last week the Shorten RC nonsense has been floating around and Turncoat smiled his sleazy smile and said, “So I’m rich, everybody knows that” … and avoided the real answer WHY the Caymans, Milkum???

    And everybody fell over themselves in a media lovefest!

    So, more reworking of the same Liberal policies that TARGET the people who aren’t RICH … and maybe the tide will change …

    While I’m not a fan of either the PM or the OL … I still think Shortman is the more honest of the two …

    And I just recalled watching, Josh Frydenberg, on Insiders last week … someone wants to introduce him to non-verbal communication (NVC) … he says one thing and tells you another …

    *in more ways than one …

    **just to get up Abetz’s nose 😉

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:17 pm

    Don’t forget to watch ABC tonight for the puff piece on jackson/lawler as they do just what that TURC lawyer suggested and use the media to rehabilitate their images. I guess this is where we are going to find out how politicised and intimidated the ABC has become.

  4. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:23 pm

    I guess this is where we are going to find out how politicised and intimidated the ABC has become.

    That doesn’t bode well ao 😉

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:27 pm

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:31 pm

    Here’s a preview of the jackson/lawler program
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/four-corners-jackson-and-lawler/6864894

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:52 pm

    Morgan poll update:

    http://roymorganresearch.cmail2.com/t/ViewEmail/j/9C66625DD42DC823/2632AAB83BFEF08CA29558A201773426

    Overwhelming majority of Australians support the right to strike:

    An overwhelming majority of Australians (83%) believe it should be legal for workers in private industry to strike – up a large 28% since June 1971. Now only 12% (down 21%) of Australians say it should not be legal for workers in private industry to strike and 5% (down 7%) can’t say according to a special telephone Morgan Poll conducted over three nights with 647 Australians aged 14+.

    A large majority of Australians 80% (up 32% since June 1971) also support the legal right of workers in public utilities such as trains, trams, and buses to strike compared to only 17% (down 25%) who say it should not be legal and 3% (down 7%) can’t say.

    Australians also support the right of professionals such as teachers and nurses working for the Government to strike – 81% (up 36% since June 1971) compared to only 16% (down 29%) that say it should not be legal and 3% (down 7%) can’t say.

    A slightly lesser majority of Australians (74%) support the rights of emergency services workers such as police, ambulance drivers and firefighters to strike although this is more than three times the number of Australians (23%) who say it should not be legal for emergency workers to strike while 3% can’t say.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/four-corners-jackson-and-lawler/6864894

    Michael lawler has released a 5 hr video recorded diary to 4 Corners in which he exonerates himself.

    He urged jackson to ‘blow the whistle’ [something I always suspected since he & his family are so friendly with abbott, childhood family friends and the senior sir lawler yet another mentor of abbott’s [the australian catholic mafia].

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 2:56 pm

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 19, 2015 3:12 pm

    Like most of the people you link to, KL, Bushfire Bill is a dumb lying fuck. Thomson was convicted on “hooker charges”.

    This is a typical Unionland tactic – just get a dumb stooge to repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie. And then get other stooges to perpetuate the lie, link to the lie, repost the lie.

    Here is what Judge Douglas actually said:

    As I accept beyond reasonable doubt he used the $200 to pay, as I have stated, for the escort, which is an unauthorised expense, regardless of whether the remainder of that fee was from another source, he has committed theft, so I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty.

  10. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2015 3:21 pm

    Thomson was convicted on “hooker charges”

    Actually sb, before you start throwing the “lie” word about, perhaps you should remember back to your history.

    Thomson was fined $25K for the misuse of union funds related to cash withdrawals from his union credit card

    http://wixxyleaks.com/free-to-run-no-jail-for-craig-thomson/

    But this is the highlight imo

    As for the 13 charges Thomson was found guilty of, it is interesting to note that these charges were amended by the Judge after the hearing. This means that Thomson and his legal team were completely unable to mount a defence against these charges.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 19, 2015 3:44 pm

    You’ve run that fucking bullshit before, Tom R, and I explained to you why it is a bullshit statement. This time, if you want to run it, then you can quote me chapter and verse about what the amendments were and how Thomson was disadvantaged.

    Just keep lapping up the lies little lickspittle.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 19, 2015 3:50 pm

    “Actually sb, before you start throwing the “lie” word about”

    Genius Tom R! I explained exactly what the lie was and you respond, not by answering my point directly (because there is no other answer), but by reference to some completely different issue.

    Why not just admit that Bushfire Bill, the lying little shill, was completely wrong when he stated that Thomson was not convicted on the “hooker charges”.

  13. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2015 3:58 pm

    I explained to you why it is a bullshit statement

    You’ll have to refresh my memory there sb, because I’m pretty sure I would have remembered such an august occasion .

    then you can quote me chapter and verse about what the amendments were

    Then perhaps you can ” quote me chapter and verse” how exactly the “hooker charges” were relevant.

    The “charges” were in fact some banking discrepancy, and nothing at all to do with hookers, even though the judge, for reasons unknown, decided to mention them.

    But perhaps we will see in your quote the ‘context’ of that mention?

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 19, 2015 4:13 pm

    You are too funny, Tom R. I have quoted you chapter and verse on the hooker charges. And now your excuse is what? That stealing money to pay hookers has nothing to do with hookers?????

    The court found, beyond reasonable doubt, that Thomson stole money to pay for escort services.

    “Then perhaps you can ” quote me chapter and verse” how exactly the “hooker charges” were relevant.”

    The hooker charges are “relevant” because Bushfire Bill, the lying shill, said Thomson was not convicted on them. As my quote shows, Bushfire Bill is a liar.

    Just in case you are not following this, Tom R, the words “I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty” are the very words which demonstrate that Thomson was in fact convicted on the hooker charges. If you want to show some “context” which refutes that characterisation then show me.

  15. October 19, 2015 4:22 pm

    “”The “charges” were in fact some banking discrepancy.”

    The tears… the tears…!

    oh my aching sides…

    😆 😆 😆

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 5:51 pm

    …Here is what Judge Douglas actually said:

    “As I accept beyond reasonable doubt he used the $200 to pay, as I have stated, for the escort, which is an unauthorised expense, regardless of whether the remainder of that fee was from another source, he has committed theft, so I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty”…

    But your [hat tip to TB] quite OK with that kind of transaction aren’t you sb? you’ve been expressing the virtues of it in malcolm’s case.
    It’s not a lot different to how hedge funds and other entities work in the caymans and ireland for tax avoidance purposes really, just a bit of shuffling around 😉

  17. October 19, 2015 5:56 pm

    post”””until now relied on the simple fact that he’s not Tony Abbott to garner support.”””’

    #bingo! .. among the public anyway, the few ex-rabble l know won`t return to teabag-lite under blib, and the two ex-er`s l saw today were as amused as l was at the `poll` this morning, talkbull has teabag-media swooning enough for some of it to rub-off on the punters, while blib probably will never have that `swoon`factor.

    ,

    post””’His days may well be numbered.””’

    #well .. l wouldn`t go that far .. blib lacks enough ticker to qualify him as a potential decade-long opposition leader.

    ,

    teebz””’policies that TARGET the people who aren’t RICH .. and maybe the tide will change”””

    #nope .. disagree .. the teabags will continue to shaft the strugglers and working-class .. no change a-coming under talkbull .. can`t see him getting gay-marriage (or other personal liberty`s) up either

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2015 7:05 pm

    MMM … I said … So, more reworking of the same Liberal policies that TARGET the people who aren’t RICH … and maybe the tide will change …

    the teabags will continue to shaft the strugglers and working-class

    ???? … my point being the tide will change AGAINST the LibNits … I think you might have missed the point somehow …

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 7:33 pm

    Pukeworthy, hypocrites and liars on parade.

    Julie Bishop lauds ‘strong human rights institutions’ after Abbott’s attacks:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/19/julie-bishop-lauds-strong-human-rights-institutions-after-abbotts-attacks

    …The foreign affairs minister acknowledged the president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, at an event in Canberra on Monday, and argued such institutions played “a crucial role in promoting, preserving and advancing human rights”…

    …The attorney general, George Brandis, who has previously accused Triggs of making “catastrophic errors of judgment” by delaying the start of the inquiry into children in detention, also addressed the event on Monday.

    Like Bishop, Brandis acknowledged Triggs and the human rights commissioner Tim Wilson as members of the audience.

    Brandis said domestic political debate about human rights was “a good thing”, but “that debate takes place against the background of Australia being one of the world’s most rights-respecting, one of the world’s most tolerant and one of the world’s most generous nations”…

  20. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2015 9:14 pm

    I have quoted you chapter and verse on the hooker charges.

    But they are not “Hooker Charges” are they, they are charges of theft, which the judge “Assumed” on only one he had used the money for a Hooker. And, apparently (according to the judge anyway), it is apparently OK to spend money on anything, even personal, as long as you don’t draw cash out for it. That is why it went from 49 cahrges (after the initial 150 or so) down to 13. That is the “banking discrepancy” for rebs . If only he had used the credit card directly instead of withdrawing cash, as he had on many other occasions for personal uses, then there would be nothing to see here. Which it seems there really isn’t.

  21. October 19, 2015 9:23 pm

    Pukeworthy, hypocrites and liars on parade.#agree

    #when their previous arguments were basically, `that bitch triggs wants us to release all those junior death-cult boaties from our offshore gulag and set them loose upon the public`

    #no matter how much swooning you do, or how much reheating talkbull does, they will remain the same old zombies

  22. October 19, 2015 9:32 pm

    tr””not `Hooker Charges` are they, they are charges of theft””

    #it really doesn`t matter if the money/cash/card-charges were spent on `hookers` booze, rent, or fcuking chocolate .. it IS a fcuking DISGRACE that a `very-well-paid` person steals/abuses from those of much`meager` earnings.

    #your `cheering` is just as unethical as the teabag cheerers

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2015 10:00 pm

    Hmmm…Apparently Kathy Jackson is a crook. She’s a former union official who hasn’t been convicted.

    Craig Thompson isn’t a crook. He’s a former union official who has been convicted

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2015 10:26 pm

  25. October 19, 2015 10:56 pm

    yeah, l tend to agree, my abc did have a creepy, skin-crawl feel about it tonight, l`m not buying the `innocent` claims either #4corners

  26. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2015 8:04 am

    it IS a fcuking DISGRACE that a `very-well-paid` person steals/abuses from those of much`meager` earnings.

    It appears that there are still some out there who seem to think Thomson was charged with stealing money from the HSU? Perhaps you need to check just why the charges were amended AFTER the judgement.

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2015 8:16 am

    I didn’t watch 4 corners, but maybe I will

    or, I’ll just read about 🙂

    http://wixxyleaks.com/backs-to-the-wall-jackson-and-lawler-back-themselves-into-4-corners/

  28. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2015 8:43 am

    Wow, 7.30 is into the talcum love fest in a big way to. But, then again, they were big on hte yabot love fest, so nothing really changed. And, like Lenore in the other thread, are blinded to the “long game”

    LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: In federal politics, the Labor Opposition continues struggling to find the Achilles’ heel of the new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. Today it abandoned last week’s strategy of targeting the Prime Minister’s personal finances and instead reverted to its original ploy of trying to paint the Turnbull Government as identical in policy substance to the Abbott administration.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4334775.htm

    So, talcum hasn’t even had time to change any grubmint policies, which is all AOK by our journos standards, but Labor’s failed because they haven’t landed a blow yet? Or have they, and the media are so busy running their protection racket they have, like some posters here, missed the actual point.

    She then gets into leadershit, and a dig at ‘teh’ Unions

    SABRA LANE: Rod Cameron was the Labor Party’s chief pollster for nearly two decades. These days he’s a keen observer and thinks Mr Shorten’s union past and ties are too much baggage and unpalatable to middle Australia.

    Of course, “Mr Shorten’s union past and ties” are only “baggage” if you believe the hype from farfax, and don’t listen to the reality of what Shorten was doing with his time at ‘teh’ Unions, which was improving workers wages and conditions.

    Will Truth Will out? I doubt it, not with this sort of protection racket running. Labors only hope is turnbull will burn himself out like yabot did. They are supplying the wick. It all depends on whether it ignites or not.

    Which wrapped up 7.30 beautifully. After years of running the yabot protection racket, they were left with examining the wreckage of his marble table.

    muppets!

  29. October 21, 2015 1:38 am

    l don`t think you can really blame leigh and sabra for swooning just because the teabags had the brains to reheat under the swoon-worthy talkbull, your team bought their ticket when caucus over-ran membership wisdom, and now they`re stuck `riding-with-blib` until the election before `they` can reheat. Remember, blib has a long string of poor rating polls behind him, the `pattern` is entrenched, and it is probably too late for the team to reheat under albo/other even if they decided to change horses at this stage, my bet is the election will be sooner rather than later.

  30. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 8:27 am

    l don`t think you can really blame leigh and sabra for swooning

    I’m absolutely certain I can. They are supposed to be the abc’s best journalists, and, as such, should not be ‘swooning’ over anyone. Let alone providing a platform for the libs to repeat their bullshit unchallenged, while simultaneously giving the turc an unchallenged platform to rehash week old accusation that was already largely trashed (they didn’t mention that bit did they). As for the “missing documents”, they didn’t even raise the prospect that, just perhaps, something that Shorten denies, and only a couple of IPA guys claim happened or know anything about, which has now miraculously no documentation to support the claim either, actually happened? Did they even raise that prospect? And somehow, Shorten is responsible for all this? And they say with such gravitas that you almost believe this is a news story rather than an orchestrated smear campaign, aided and abetted by our national broadcaster, on a political opponent.

    How can something so vacuous be run on prime time air?

    But, at least yabot is still there to save the day 😉

    The former PM remains angry after four weeks on the backbench and has not shed a belief he can get his old job back from Malcolm Turnbull.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/we-havent-seen-the-back-of-tony-abbott-yet/story-fn5tas5k-1227576467634

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 8:29 am

    And our “innovation” pm has just spent a millions of dollars of taxpayers money on replacing a copper network he just bought? Now THAT’S innovative.

    The company building Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s version of the national broadband network has purchased 1800 kilometres of copper cable — enough to link the Sunshine Coast to Melbourne — at a cost of $14 million.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/nbn-co-buys-1800-kilometres-of-copper-to-make-malcolm-turnbulls-fibretothenode-network-work-20151020-gke5oy.html#ixzz3p96h2Q5i
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  32. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 9:07 am

    too true reb.

    But even then, it’s so much nicer with yabot gone, as good as he was for Labors hopes 😉

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2015 9:37 am

    Craig Thompson isn’t a crook. He’s a former union official who has been convicted

    I missed this gem …

    Wasn’t there a successful appeal?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The company building Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s version of the national broadband network has purchased 1800 kilometres of copper cable — enough to link the Sunshine Coast to Melbourne — at a cost of $14 million.

    Really heartbreaking shit … history will not read well for the Abbott/Turncoat era in digital comms … we are slip sliding away from the rest of the world … and not enough people understand the commercial ramifications of the NBN on safety/security, trade, commerce, service, medical and education and training … speed in computer information and data can influence each and evy one of those areas … copper has a life on the NBN (because of capacity not deterioration – another concern) of 10-20% that of optic fibre … its more expensive to replace, very low speeds and extremely low capacity …

    The NBN is a disaster!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny/clever cartoon but a worry if the LibNits get over the line with even more seats and push through the right wing shite!

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 9:46 am

    Wasn’t there a successful appeal?

    There was, when most of the charges were thrown out. He only got charged for withdrawing cash from a credit account. A technicality.

    Some people think he still got charged with stealing money from the Union. Weird hey 😉

    But, charged he is. And I’m pretty sure he’s just glad it is all over.

    Of course, considering the history of charges with Unions involved, the fact hat he only got charged on a technicality says it all to me. The AFp are gung ho knuckledraggers when it comes to the Unions. Technicalities lol. They charged Thomson with one, now want to ignore them.

    The Australian Federal Police say the “technical” legal breaches involved in its raid of the construction union’s Dickson headquarters are not serious enough to withhold evidence of potential criminality.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/union-says-bomb-squad-used-to-restrict-act-officials-20151020-gkdjr1.html#ixzz3p9PKExIR
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  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 10:01 am

    “There was, when most of the charges were thrown out. He only got charged for withdrawing cash from a credit account. A technicality.”

    Thomson was convicted of taking union funds to root whores. A technicality of course. In Unionland that is merely business as usual. Steal money from disadvantaged workers and head off to the Red Turbo Room.

  36. October 21, 2015 10:06 am

    “”A technicality of course.””

    🙂

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2015 10:37 am

    He only got charged for withdrawing cash from a credit account. A technicality.

    Some people think he still got charged with stealing money from the Union.

    wot? he did steal money …

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 10:41 am

    Yep.

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 10:45 am

    Here is where Judge Douglas says he committed theft and used it on whores:

    As I accept beyond reasonable doubt he used the $200 to pay, as I have stated, for the escort, which is an unauthorised expense, regardless of whether the remainder of that fee was from another source, he has committed theft, so I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty.

    But, in Unionland, that is only a technicality according to Tom R.

    And he is in good company – ALP President Williamson had a similar approach as did Gillard’s boyfriend, Wilson.

  40. Walrus permalink
    October 21, 2015 10:46 am

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………..yes…………….the Red Turbo Room

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 11:19 am

    Tom R: “There was, when most of the charges were thrown out. He only got charged for withdrawing cash from a credit account. A technicality.

    There, fixed for you, Tom R.

    Judge Douglas said:

    As I stated last Monday, it was regrettable that the prosecution decision was to charge the appellant with obtain a financial advantage by deception in error as it was alleged the financial advantage was evasion of the debt to the credit card provider and, as a matter of law, for reasons I provided, my decision was in the circumstances I had no option but to find the appellant not guilty of the 49 charges which were Charges 2, 5, 16, 18, 20, 41, 56, 75, 76, 86, 95, 114, 119, 124, 130, 132, 174, 177, 178, 179, 181, 182 to 6, 195 and 197 to 218.

    It is important that today I reiterate my statement that my decision on that day, to acquit the appellant of those 49 charges, must not be taken as an endorsement by this court in relation to his conduct of using HSU funds for his own purposes. It does not.

    ToM R is right to refer to a technicality. That would be a mistake in charging Thomson. Tom R is disingenuous in saying the charges were thrown out but not noting the judge’s regret at having to do so on a technicality.

    The utterly dishonest way Tom R has shilled for Thomson demonstrates that he is utterly uninterested in the truth of the matter. It discredits all his trolling.

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:10 pm

    The utterly dishonest way Tom R has shilled for Thomson demonstrates that he is utterly uninterested in the truth of the matter.

    And that is why i found it so offensive that you lumped me with TomR.

    By the way SB who did you vote for in 2007? Anybody who voted for Rudd is responsible for locking up 50,000 boat people, 2,000 kids, spending $11B housing all those boat people, trashing the budget, $900 cheques etc etc.

  43. October 21, 2015 12:20 pm

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  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:40 pm

    “And that is why i found it so offensive that you lumped me with Tom R.”

    In fact, Neil, you should be complemented to be mentioned in the same breath as Tom R.

    Tom R is a master of his craft. You have much to learn. Sadly, all indications are that you are permanently stuck on stupid and, as such, incapable of learning anything. Your comments are so repetitive you must be just a defective computer program looped on copying and pasting the same bullshit phrases.

    Don’t get me wrong. This is not about your political opinions. They are no worse than those of many other commenters. The problem is that not only are you are a dumb cunt but you also appear to be afflicted by multiple personality disorders.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:45 pm

    In fact, Neil, you should be complemented to be mentioned in the same breath as Tom R.

    Get stuffed.

    I did not lock up 2,000 kids. You did and you do not care.

    I did not trash the budget. You did and you do not care.

    I did not lock up 50,000 boat people. You did and you do not care.

    etc etc etc. Anybody who voted for Rudd is responsible.

    Do you have a conscience?

  46. Walrus permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:51 pm

    Neil,

    Would you have voted for Billy McMahon in 1972 or Billy (“I died with a condom on banging a hooker in a 1 star motel”) Snedden ?????????????????

  47. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:56 pm

    ToM R is right to refer to a technicality

    Yes, because you forgot to say what exactly he actually got charged for. Everything else is grist for the journo mill.

    To withdraw cash as a cash advance from an automatic teller machine, which I will now refer to as an ATM, he was not authorised to do so

    He “stole” from the bank, not the HSU, according to his charges.

    Which is why the Judge had to amend the charges to moved from Sydney to Melbourne.

    to acquit the appellant of those 49 charges

    So, WHY was he acquitted? The truth now.

    “New poll narrows #Coalition’s lead over #Labor”

    lol These people are idjits.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2015 12:58 pm

    Walrus

    History says Labor trashes the budget and unemployment goes up.

    If SB can tell me where my comments are wrong like he does with TomR i might have some respect for SB’s opinion of me.

  49. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:14 pm

    like he does with TomR

    You mean like with his devastating revelation yesterday about how free and open the Caymans are?

  50. Walrus permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:21 pm

    “…………i might have some respect for SB’s opinion of me.”

    LOL

    Dont worry NoS.

    No one has much of an opinion of you

  51. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:26 pm

    This will get TB’s blood going, I’m sure

    Canada’s new government will dump the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the troubled and expensive stealth jets Australia has committed $24 billion to buy.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/canadas-trudeau-will-dump-130-million-stealth-jets-australia-wants-to-buy-20151020-gke0u7.html#ixzz3pAJWTI1v
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    Also note they are going to stop bombing Syrians (and any actual targets who happen to get in the way also)

  52. October 21, 2015 1:29 pm

    tr””should not be `swooning` over anyone.””’

    #what bullshit, if sabra and leigh would swoon over blib, you would see no problem

    ,

    tr””Let alone providing a platform for the libs to repeat their bullshit unchallenged””

    #and you should know better here, my abc under charter IS to provide a platform, with fake-balance, for all teams to spout their bullshit, you`re just becoming unhinged because blib is going down the gurgler

    #keep.riding.with.blib

  53. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:47 pm

    #what bullshit, if sabra and leigh would swoon over blib, you would see no problem

    LINK!

    and you should know better here, my abc under charter IS to provide a platform, with fake-balance, for all teams to spout their bullshit,

    You forgot the key word again dopey.

    Delimiter releases NBN ready for service info
    ……..
    Furthermore, this information was previously issued by the NBN company in the form of regular reports under the previous Labor Government.
    ……….
    The argument that the document might lead customers to take up alternative broadband services is not a matter that relates the public interest — this relates to the NBN company’s financial interest.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2015/10/21/delimiter-releases-nbn-ready-for-service-info/?utm_content=buffer134eb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Not surprised that talcum wants to hide away his ineptness, but we should all see what a total cock up his fraudband is, and how he has sold out our countries technological edge for partisan purposes. Innovation? Truly innovative to buy a network, and then buy a

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:50 pm

    “Yes, because you forgot to say what exactly he actually got charged for. “

    It is actually in the quote from Judge Douglas above.

    “So, WHY was he acquitted?”

    Because even though he stole from the HSU he was only charged with stealing from the credit card provider rather than from the HSU.

    As to the amendments, the Judge gives here reasons for making them and the legal basis on which she made them:

    I have applied the law in relation to amendments on appeals from the Magistrates’ Court and I refer to the authorities referred to at the commencement of this proceeding which is Candolim Pty Ltd (Deonisia Mendonca and Larano Mendonca) v Brendan Garrett in the County Court of Victoria, a decision of the Supreme Court of this state, [2005] VSC 270.

    An example of the amendments is:

    Charge 47. “Craig Thomson at Sydney” – that has now been amended as I have stated, that will be Melbourne, as will Charge 9, I omitted to say that, that is now amended – “Craig Thomson at Melbourne between 12 June 2007 and 13 June 2007 did steal cash, property belonging to the HSU valued at $500.”

    There may be an issue of technically where the money is withdrawn as between the location of he bank where the account is kept and the location of the ATM. But it is hard to see how that disadvantages Thomson given the finding that he took the money and used it in a brothel:

    On or about 12 June 2007 the appellant drew $500 cash in Bateau Bay in New South Wales where he lived. He then drove to Sydney. At 12.31 he called a brothel, Chandalay Massage in Roseville. At 1.55 pm he made another call on his phone near Roseville, and then an hour later another call in Chatswood, which is near where the brothel is. He attended at that brothel to receive sexual services and later drove home. There is no issue he attended at the brothel.

    The last occasion he withdrew cash was from a personal account on 7 May 2007 which was $400. In the same period he withdrew $3,000 by use of the HSU CBA MasterCard. I accept beyond reasonable doubt that the only reasonable inference open is that he paid for that sexual service when he attended at the brothel by cash, as there is no credit card record for that. The withdrawal of $500 cash was entered on 12 June in the MYOB as, “Meetings, national office.”

    As he withdrew $500 on the same day, he left and attended at the brothel and he withdrew the cash where he lived. I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he used that cash to pay for sexual services, as he had intended to attend at that brothel.

    AS noted above, there is law on amendment designed to protect the defendant which the Judge cites in her judgment if you (or that compulsive liar Wixxy) can show how Thomson was disadvantaged perhaps you could let me know.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:55 pm

    Would you have voted for Billy McMahon in 1972 or Billy (“I died with a condom on banging a hooker in a 1 star motel”) Snedden ?????????????????

    Let me guess Walrus. You voted for Rudd in 2007 and are now trying to find an excuse for your vote.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 1:59 pm

    “If SB can tell me where my comments are wrong like he does with Tom R i might have some respect for SB’s opinion of me.”

    Because Neil, you are not worth pissing on. Tom R is a master troll and I get sucked to arguing with him all the time. He has a basic grasp of logic. He doesn’t endlessly repeat himself and unlike you he his not plug stupid. You are just a malignant moron and as such not worth the time of day.

    Now that I have tried to give you good advice I shan’t be addressing you further. Feeding trolls, especially the stupid ones, is futile.

  57. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:02 pm

    Because even though he stole from the HSU he was only charged with stealing from the credit card provider rather than from the HSU.

    He was originally charged with stealing money from the HSU. Why did that change? Why is he only charged with stealing money from a bank and only when he withdrew cash?

    Tom R is a master troll

    You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means

  58. Walrus permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:03 pm

    “Let me guess Walrus.”

    Let me guess NoS……………you would have voted for both Billy McMahon and Bill “I died with a raincoat on” Sneddon

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:09 pm

    Let me guess NoS……………you would have voted for both Billy McMahon and Bill “I died with a raincoat on” Sneddon

    Well the alternative was Whitlam who also trashed the budget

    Now that I have tried to give you good advice I shan’t be addressing you further. Feeding trolls, especially the stupid ones, is futile.

    Cannot admit to the damage you did SB. Your vote in 2007 locked up 2,00 kids and 50,000 asylum seekers.

    About time you owned up to your faults.

  60. October 21, 2015 2:11 pm

    tr””’LINK!””

    tr””You forgot the key word again””’

    #Well, that`s a pair if impoverished answers (even kneel could do better)

    #team-cheerers would do well to check-out the tucker-tweets, when rusted-on lefties like barry start declaring the bus is going over the cliff and blib needs to go, junior team-cheerers should take heed

    #still.riding.with.blib #right.over.the.cliff

  61. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:11 pm

    Editor’s note (21/10/15): This story has been amended to make clear that the allegation is that negotiations on a secret deal between John Holland and the AWU started while Bill Shorten was AWU President, not that the alleged deal was completed while he led the union.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-20/missing-documents-relating-to-trade-union-royal-commission/6870756

    Idjits

    They also forgot to mention, that, just possibly, the documents just never existed. They also forgot to mention, the “sham invoices” were exposed a sham themselves.

    Perhaps we will see a series of “editors notes”?

  62. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:14 pm

    #Well, that`s a pair if impoverished answers

    Oh, so leaving out the key word unchallenged doesn’t change the meaning at all to you? A journo’s job is to provide a “platform” for a political party to spout bullshit unchallenged ?

    talk about impoverished.

  63. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:38 pm

  64. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:39 pm

    🙂

  65. October 21, 2015 2:49 pm

    Okay then,

    tr””should not be `swooning` over anyone””

    #what bullshit, if sabra and leigh would swoon over blib `unchallenged`, you would see no problem `unchallenged`

    ,

    tr””Let alone providing a platform for the libs to repeat their bullshit unchallenged””’

    #and you should know better here, my abc under charter IS to provide a platform unchallenged, with fake-balance unchallenged, for all teams to spout their bullshit unchallenged, you`re just becoming unhinged because blib is going down the gurgler `unchallenged`

    #keep.riding.with.blib.unchallenged

  66. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:50 pm

    Looks like the attack dogs council assisting want to embarrass the police even more

    They also recommended criminal charges against the head of the CFMEU in Queensland Michael Ravbar and its former president, Dave Hanna, over the alleged destruction of documents.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-21/royal-commission-calls-for-charges-against-cfmeu-head/6872506

    Unless the attack dogs council assisting withheld evidence, because, after watching that episode very closely, there was nothing destroyed that could not be retrieved if needed. And, the fact that they were in the midst of doing it when the documents were requested.

    But, it created the headline, as they want.

    I’m sure the headline when it is thrown out will be as big as the Lomax one was. Especially when you compare it to the noise that was made when the charges were laid.

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:54 pm

    He was originally charged with stealing money from the HSU. Why did that change? Why is he only charged with stealing money from a bank and only when he withdrew cash?

    I don’t know why the prosecution fucked up. I do know that he was convicted of stealing union money to root whores with.

    “You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means”

    Master?

  68. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 2:55 pm

    wow teebagz, does your brain enjoy cruising along “unchallenged”?

  69. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 3:02 pm

    I don’t know why the prosecution fucked up.

    I do, because, when the HSU gave him the card, he was allowed to use it for personal expenses. Even Kathy Jackson verified that.

    Which is why the charges got changed to stealing from the bank. They went through a lot of preamble setting up why using cash “could” be considered stealing as the banks agreement was with the HSU, so their expectation was that it was for HSU business only.

    There was quite a lot of legal and “technical” points made about things like “overdraft limits and lines of credit” to do with the issuance of the card.

    So, while the HSU had given the card to Thomson to be used for whatever, they had not set that up correctly with the bank. Or it is a “technicality” anyone can be done for.

    It is also why the charges needed to be amended after the judgement. You are right in that respect, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome. But it highlighted the “technicality”

    Master?

    Yes! 🙂

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 3:39 pm

    “I do, because, when the HSU gave him the card, he was allowed to use it for personal expenses. Even Kathy Jackson verified that.”

    Wrong again Tom R. You are completely full of shit on this point, as usual.

    Here is a selection of quotes from Judge Douglas on the matter:

    In the circumstances I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt. That the appellant was subject to the same rules and policies as I said in relation to the use of those funds being solely for the business of the HSU and the carrying out of his duties, and further his position did not entitle him to have a $50,000 expense account to be used at his discretion for personal expenses.

    The rules and regulations to which I have gone through in detail reflect this, and also he well knew that the money came from the people working in the Hospital Services Union for their use as the union involved in their wellbeing.

    I have already ruled that the appellant was not authorised to spend HSU funds on personal expenses.

    It was a personal expense of the appellant, and he knew that it was an unauthorised expense, and I note that there was a bottle of wine he charged that was around $300. I refer to my reasons in relation to dishonesty, in particular his role at the HSU. It is clear that he well knew that that was not an authorised expense.

    the $400 he withdrew, to which I have referred, was used to pay for the restaurant bill, and that he had no authorisation to do it, and he knew he had no legal entitlement to that cash to pay for dinner that was clearly not for the business of the HSU. I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt he is guilty of theft of $400.

    There are many more. Each of them shows that your statement above is a lie. He was not allowed to use his card for personal expenses. The prosecution knew that and Judge Douglas agreed with them.

  71. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 3:53 pm

    nd further his position did not entitle him to have a $50,000 expense account to be used at his discretion for personal expenses.

    Then why didn’t they charge him for that? Why did they charge him instead with stealing from a bank?

    The judge said a lot of things, much unrelated to the actual charge, which even she admitted.

    She said it is irrelevant if the money was spent on Hookers, but then spent a lot of time detailing the money being spent on Hookers.

    The prosecution knew that and Judge Douglas agreed with them.

    But didn’t charge him for it. Why?

  72. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:05 pm

    Loved this little piece of crap thrown in at the end

    ndustrial director with the union’s Victorian branch, Craig Winter, rejected claims that workers were worse off under the agreement.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-union-boss-paul-howes-says-he-cant-remember-cleaners-deal-20151020-gke5vf.html#ixzz3pAwvmmoL
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    No, he “reject” them, he showed they were bullshit!

    Q. I want you to just focus on the Award —
    A. Yes, I have.
    Q. — that I showed you. You say you’re unable to do
    that without the —
    A. No, there was no disadvantage.
    Q. Why do you say that?
    A. I can show you.
    Q. You can show me?
    A. Yes.
    Q. Okay.
    A. If you go to agreement, and if you go to page 3,
    clause 6.
    Q. Page 3, clause 6, yes.
    A.
    RELATIONSHIP WITH PARENT AWARD
    It states:
    This agreement shall be read and
    interpreted in conjunction with the …
    And it mentions the Award, the 1999 Award.
    Where there is inconsistency between this
    agreement and the Award, the provisions in
    this agreement shall prevail.
    Then goes on, there are some clear words:
    No person shall be disadvantaged in any way
    by the operation of this agreement.
    Q. All right.
    A. So, the Award forms part of this agreement. It’s read
    in conjunction. If there’s nothing in the agreement on a
    particular subject, then it reverts back to that Award
    provision, and that’s an historical industrial fact.
    Q. So your answer to me is that you rely on 6.1 to say —
    A. No, not just 6.1. I rely on 6.3 also.
    Q. Okay.
    A. Have a read of 6.3, because it was an unusual clause
    that was put in place in those days.
    Q. All right. But is this your evidence to the
    Commission: you say that by reason of the operation of 6.1
    and 6.3, you say that your answers to 7.3 were correct?
    A. Correct. And it’s an industrial fact that that would
    apply. Now we talk about incorporating the Award but in
    those days it was read in conjunction.
    Q. That explanation that you’ve given me today, whether
    it be right or wrong —
    A. There’s three safety provisions in that agreement –
    three.
    Q. Yes. All right. You haven’t included that in the
    stat dec itself?
    A. No, because that’s not what it’s asked me to do. The
    stat dec just says: is there a disadvantage? The answer
    is “No”.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/20-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    The amount of stories that have been outright lies is just amazing. And farfax is the biggest culprit. Their hatred of Unions is on a par with yomm

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:09 pm

    “Then why didn’t they charge him for that? Why did they charge him instead with stealing from a bank?”

    See my answer above. I don’t know why the prosecution fucked up. I’m sure that you, like the rest of us, would like to have seen Thomson bought to justice on those charges as well.

    “The judge said a lot of things, much unrelated to the actual charge, which even she admitted.

    She said it is irrelevant if the money was spent on Hookers, but then spent a lot of time detailing the money being spent on Hookers.”

    You are such a fuckwit, aren’t you. Just throwing mud out there in a last desperate attempt to show what, exactly? That you were not a dumb fool for swallowing Wixxy hook line and sinker. The fact is that you are so desperate to follow the Unionland line you will say anything no mater how stupid it makes you look.

    Now as to that last sack of shit you served up, clearly it is necessary to demonstrate that Thomson spent the union’s money on personal expenses. It is not surprising then that in each case the judge stated exactly what that personal expense was – a bottle of wine, an expensive meal, a gift for the wife … and whores, lots of whores. Thomson loved to root whores. Business as usual in Unionland.

  74. October 21, 2015 4:12 pm

    That`s nice team-cheerer. When caucus arse-fcuked the membership and backed blib, from day-one, l predicted this was a crap decision and would end-up biting them on the arse, hard. When the teams are 53/47 or `closer`, it is blatantly obvious the blib-bus can only go over the cliff. As neither team is breaking away with 56+, then it is quite clear the `leader` numbers will be the numbers that count in the next popularity contest.

    Voters will choose either,

    1.prime meddler blib by voting for team-blib, OR,

    2.prime meddler talkbull by voting for team-talkbull

    This is where the swoon factor kicks-in, and it`s very clear which direction the swoon is flowing `to` and `away-from`

    #no.swoon.for.blib #it.IS.a.popularity.contest.stoopid

  75. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:13 pm

    See my answer above. I don’t know why the prosecution fucked up.

    See my answer above! Because, no matter how much a judge wants it, if it isn’t illegal, they can’t charge him!

    clearly it is necessary to demonstrate that Thomson spent the union’s money on personal expenses

    Only for cash withdrawals, as I have outlined. And then, it becomes stealing from the bank, not from the HSU. And only because of a banking technicality.

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:22 pm

    Have you actually read the judgments, Tom R? There is no support in the judgments for your unhinged assertions. if you believe there is then show me.

  77. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:30 pm

    To withdraw cash as a cash advance from an automatic teller machine, which I will now refer to as an ATM, he was not authorised to do so

  78. Walrus permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:38 pm

    Who the fuck amongst us holds the popcorn franchise these days ??????????????

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:41 pm

    So, Tom R, is your argument that Thomson was not allowed to withdraw cash per se?

    Because the judge said the opposite. And it wasn’t every cash withdrawal that was criminal. In cases where she could not be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the cash had been spent on personal expenses the judge found the cunt not guilty. So what is the “technicality”? Apparently the fact that he spent the workers’ money on personal expenses rather on union business is a “technicality”!!!!!

  80. October 21, 2015 4:49 pm

  81. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 4:50 pm

    So what is the “technicality”?

    Because of the arrangement with the bank, not the Union.

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 5:07 pm

    Here is what you said: “Only for cash withdrawals, as I have outlined. And then, it becomes stealing from the bank, not from the HSU. And only because of a banking technicality.”

    Now Thomson was convicted of taking cash advances and using the money to root whores. That is not a banking technicality. That is theft, as the judge found. The fact that he used the money for personal expenses was a necessary part of the offence. Where that could not be proven he was not convicted. Which part of that is a banking technicality?

    If it is all about the arrangement with the bank then there is no necessity to show he used the money for personal expenses, is there?

    Thomson was convicted on 16 counts of theft. Because he took union money from the bank and used it for personal expenses which in Unionland, apparently, does not amount to theft, but is a mere technicality.

  83. October 21, 2015 5:19 pm

    Does everybody remember jooLiar.?

    Apparently jooLiar is in teh-usa `helping` hillary win her election.

    Jokes on hillary, jooLiar never won an election.

  84. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 6:18 pm

    Yes, but he was originally charged with how many?

    And why did they change from stealing from the HSU to stealing from the bank?

  85. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 6:20 pm

    Even Labors much maligned NBN was further advanced from turnbulls fraudband.

    What an innovation

    The true extent of the mess Malcolm Turnbull has left behind with his second rate NBN became clear for all to see during Senate Estimates last night.

    The following exchange occurred between Senator Conroy and NBN Co Chief Executive Officer, Mr Bill Morrow:

    “Senator Conroy: So, summarising:

    The ink is still drying on the [NBN FTTx construction] contracts;
    All the FTTN you’ve switched on to date has been built by Telstra, who are taking no further part in the construction;
    You still don’t know the state of the copper network;
    Your knowledge of the HFC network assets is limited;
    You’ve identified skills shortages;
    You’ve not signed any HFC construction contracts;
    You don’t have a single paying HFC customer;
    You only have a handful of paying FTTN customers;
    The HFC product set hasn’t been released;
    The IT systems are not complete; and
    You believe that you can connect half of the country to the NBN in two years—but that fortunately is after the next election?

    [NBN CO CEO] Mr Bill Morrow: All of that is correct.”

    http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-media-releases/2777-the-mess-that-malcolm-left-behind

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2015 6:38 pm

    “Yes, but he was originally charged with how many?

    And why did they change from stealing from the HSU to stealing from the bank?”

    What the fuck is your point?

    Thomson was convicted of thieving HSU money and using it to root whores. That is not a technicality – his MO was to go to the ATM, take out HSU money, go to the brothel and prong the girls.

    MIsty said he was quite the gentleman, usually had champagne ready for her, liked to chat and often extended their session. Craig said he was set up. The judge found that Craig did indeed root whores.

    The judge dismissed 49 counts on a technicality and noted that she regretted having to do so.

    So why are you shilling for this crook?

  87. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 7:02 pm

    So why are you shilling for this crook?

    Because, as I said, he’s already suffered more for $3,500 of “technically” stolen money than others who get their money through more “legal” but far less moral methods.

  88. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2015 7:09 pm

    Speaking of which, after screwing over the NBN, turnbll is now moving in on screwing over the best performing superannuation

    And the most disappointing part of yesterday’s disappointing announcement was the least prominent: the response to Recommendation 37.

    That recommendation, also buried by Murray, is the only one that would really improve superannuation: it said that funds should “Publish retirement income projections on member statements … using ASIC regulatory guidance.”

    And secondly to … “Facilitate access to consolidated superannuation information from the ATO to use with ASIC’s and superannuation funds’ retirement income projection calculators.”

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/10/21/financial-services/murray-response-swing-and-miss

    and whilst making big noises about banking, is in reality doing nothing.

    The federal government’s response to the financial system inquiry was always going to be about protecting consumers – and juggling competing vested interests – but it has squibbed it on the hard calls in some key areas.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/bank-conflicts-remain-as-financial-review-response-seeks-to-merely-tweak-20151020-gkdzj6.html#ixzz3pBhZIyih
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    Better salesman
    Same shit

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2015 8:09 pm

    “than others who get their money through more “legal” but far less moral method

    I love that!!!

    Thompson steals from lowly paid hospital workers and uses it to get a root in a brothel, but Tom R thinks he can take the moral high ground!!

    I’m thinking of getting some tee shirts printed with his comment.

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 22, 2015 12:07 am

    I’ve been out all day and just catching up with the discussion here [it’s barely moved btw, still talking about thomson even when jackson and lawler have just given us a look into the power, passion, narcissism and machiavellian machinations of the ego driven].

    It was yesterday evening when I was hearing more about shorten from the RC and I thought to myself that he just has to go. He has too much baggage and is too damaged, I know that the RC was designed to damage shorten [and the union movement in general] tomR and it has done it’s job, I’m not sure that shorten can recover, the public don’t know all the nuances of the ‘trial by media’ RC, it will just cement all those doubts people have about him. I think albo didn’t damage himself in the rudd/gillard/rudd saga either but heaven forbid that labor could select a leader from their left!

    When does Heydon bring down his report? is it designed to come out just before the next election? How long does it take to knock one up when writing in longhand with quill and ink do you think?

    I have never warmed to shorten much, he’s just too lacklustre for me, I find him whiny and fake and he won’t go for the jugular when he needs to. When I read about him though, they say he’s quite the back room operator and has worked long and hard to get to the top, so I don’t think he’ll volunteer to go quietly.

    But, I do think he needs to go. I think labor should dare to be more progressive too, don’t stick like glue to the libs on policy.

    I also hope that labor will look into a few RC’s of their own when next in power, the libs are never held to account for their crimes and misdeeds. No wonder abbott’s people spent four days in a locked room shredding papers before they’d let anyone in!asylum Unfortunately labor has agreed to all the inhumanity and cruelty on asylum seekers, so they won’t want to go there, but they should.

    I say this as a greens voter, I don’t like the two majors, I think they are both corrupt and corrupted and our whole political system needs reform.

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2015 7:19 am

    Now that I have tried to give you good advice I shan’t be addressing you further. Feeding trolls, especially the stupid ones, is futile.

    You called me a liar by saying i am the Coalition version of TomR. I do not troll. I give my opinion. So you can expect me to be angry at your comments.

    The Labor Party never changes. It always trashed the budget and has poor policies in most areas. Just look at the history of the ALP since Whitlam. I believe the Labor Party before Whitlam was a fine party.

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 22, 2015 8:33 am

    “still talking about Thomson”

    KL, it was you who introduced the topic of Thomson with your cut and paste of Bushfire Bill. And you are right – the conversation should have been short once I pointed out that Bushfire Bill is a dumb lying fuck. But you didn’t count on Tom R defending basic Unionland principles. Because in Unionland thieving money from low-paid workers and spending it on whores (as the court found to proven beyond reasonable doubt) is a mere technicality.

    Obviously righteous defenders of Unionland ethics like Tom R cannot stand by and see Thomson criticised for his thieving ways. There will be no more visits to the Red Turbo Room on the CFMEU card for Tom R if he doesn’t toe the union line, no matter how ridiculous it makes him look.

  93. October 22, 2015 8:44 am

    “”Because, as I said, he’s already suffered …””

    Aaah! The old “he’s suffered enough” campaign…

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  94. October 22, 2015 8:46 am

    “than others who get their money through more “legal” but far less moral method””

    I know what you mean. I mean those people who work for a living and use their own hard earned cash to pay for their rooting adventures and long boozy lunches are just the scum of the earth compared to Thomson.

  95. October 22, 2015 9:25 am

    Trouble at mill..

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  96. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 9:39 am

    But, I do think he needs to go.

    And, do you think the next leader, whoever that will be, will be welcomed with open arms by the libs and their media mates?

    You can imagine Albo? He’s had quite a few crack pot ideas in the past floated, and luckily never got anywhere with them. they’ll come out of the woodwork, along with his far left “communist” leanings.

    What about Tanya Plibersek? Do you think her partner will be treated with any respect should she become leader?

    It doesn’t matter who is leading the Labor party, they will be attacked mercilessly by the media. As for the RC, I still don’t know. I am beginning to feel that the media are going overboard on their bias and outright lies with this, and maybe, just maybe, it will become all too obvious just how much of a pathetic stitch up it is. It’s hard to tell.

    I also believe (hope?) that talcum will get so far up himself he’ll undo himself. There is shades of it in qt, he thinks he’s infallible, but his answers are just full of absolute bullshit and yabots old “blame Labor”

    Policy is what counts in the end. Shorten will lose more skin, he might get it back in the wash up, he might not. But Labor will still be stronger on policy. The libs won the last election without policy. Will the electorate take note of that or not? That’s the question.

    As for the RC, that is why I get so worked up about it. It has done nothing to expose any “systematic rorting”. In fact, most of the “rorts” they have uncovered, few and far between as they have been, have all been constructs of the witch hunt itself.

    But I don’t disagree with you. turc has done what it was deigned to do, attack it’s political opponent. But it couldn’t do this without the complicity of the media. And they have been complicit. But, changing leaders won’t change that duplicity. They will just move to another attack. Stick with the one attack they have already laid the ground work against (bias)

    I think they are both corrupt and corrupted and our whole political system needs reform.

    I think ALL people in a position of power can be corrupted. And I won’t be so blind as to say Labor are immune from that. I won’t be so blind as to think no party is immune to it.

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 9:40 am

    Abetz: There are a number of issues with the new prime ministership.

    I AGREE!

    But for probably diametrically opposed reasons to abetz 😉

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 9:44 am

    The oz is going in hard on hockey. Even worst that Swan! That’s gotta cut

    In opposition, Mr Hockey predicted correctly that Mr Swan would never deliver a budget surplus. But Mr Hockey, like Mr Swan, also promised he would speedily return the budget to surplus. Not only did Mr Hockey never deliver a surplus, he made the bottom line worse. The accumulated budget deficit across the four years to 2017-18 surged from $60.2 billion in Mr Hockey’s first budget to $116.5bn in his second, and last, budget.

    Despite promising to end “the age of entitlement”, Mr Hockey took government spending to almost unseen heights: 25.9 per cent of GDP estimated this year. Net government debt is forecast to peak at 18 per cent of GDP next year.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/a-very-average-joe-hockey-bids-farewell-to-parliament/story-e6frg71x-1227577630497

    Of course, this is all to protect their main investment, yabot

    He was a large factor in Tony Abbott’s downfall.

    They don’t dare mention that most of the nasties attributed to hockey seem to have come directly from yabots office.

    Either way, is interesting that theirabc is lauding hockey, whilst the libs media bestie is putting the boots in.

    Too many agendas converging, which makes for interesting bedmates.

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 22, 2015 10:18 am

    “He was a large factor in Tony Abbott’s downfall.”

    Large as Hockey is, Abbott’s downfall is all about Abbott – the slobbering stumbling interviews; the unique ability to project dishonesty even on those few occasions when he was trying to tell the truth; the inappropriate decisions and Captain’s picks on otherwise small matters which just screamed loudly “Captain Wanker is in the house”; and most of all the policy incoherence which seemed directed at nothing more than political opportunism. Guess what Tony? It really isn’t better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

    The accession of Turnbull is similar to the handover from Gillard to Rudd, from an unlovely incompetent to a psychotic egotist.

  100. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 10:25 am

    even on those few occasions when he was trying to tell the truth

    LINK! 😉

  101. October 22, 2015 10:42 am

    “”Hockey’s farewell speech was largely rubbish, confirming that he had never been up to the job.””

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/joe-hockeys-biggest-failure-was-his-loyalty-to-tony-abbott-20151021-gkf2bh.html#ixzz3pFUwIN9z

  102. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 10:49 am

    Finally, some sense from in media

    While the Trade Union Royal Commission has raised legitimate concerns about union governance, it’s extraordinary how weak some of the evidence is and how willing the media is to ignore counter-narratives, writes Stephen Long.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/long-why-is-no-one-questioning-the-turc-narrative/6868102

    It would be nice if the “news” would take note of the “opinion”

    Nice to see Pascoe calling out hockey too reb. Although, he was never a fan.

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 22, 2015 10:57 am

    “Finally, some sense from in media”

    How surprisement that the media outlet most aligned with Tom R’s defence of Unionland corruption is the ABC.

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2015 11:10 am

    the inappropriate decisions and Captain’s picks on otherwise small matters which just screamed loudly “Captain Wanker is in the house”

    Just wait until Turnbull gets going. Abbott made small mistakes which did not kill anybody.

    Abbott did not trash the budget, lock up 50,000 people, drown 1,200 people, give $900 cheques, waste billions on school halls etc etc.

    Abbott actually saved lives and made our refugees intake more fair by stopping the boats.

    SB, you have leftoid tendencies by thinking you know everything and are more moral than anyone else. Your vote in 2007 proves that wrong.

  105. October 22, 2015 11:25 am

    An interesting (but not surprising) development following on from the 4 Corners documentary on the pokies earlier in the week…

    “”Poker machines are illegal because their design is deceptive lawyers will argue in a landmark legal action against the multibillion-dollar pokies industry.

    Maurice Blackburn lawyers will argue in a state or federal court that poker machines are in breach of consumer law for misleading and deceptive conduct.””

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/landmark-pokies-legal-challenge-on-the-cards-20151021-gketox.html#ixzz3pFfObFri

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 22, 2015 11:32 am

    yes sb, I did bring thomson up with that cut & paste, I’ll have to remember not to do that again, not sure if you were replying to me in that comment or goading tomR 😉

    I understand what you’re saying tomR and I agree that anyone labor put up will be attacked in a visceral way by the media and through opposition leaks about their personal life, the old dirt unit is central to libs MO. Perhaps Labor needs a recruitment drive and needs to open up to having members from the community rather than the union faction, the numbers men with union control of the process. The libs also need to reform their selection process, they are even less democratic than the new half democratised labor, but it doesn’t seem to get the same scrutiny and criticism.

    Large as Hockey is, Abbott’s downfall is all about Abbott

    Hockey’s budget was all his own judging by his exit speech yesterday, he’s still raving on about needing to pay for health and education etc, there is conviction there and no acceptance of the public’s wishes for a universal system in health and education. If anything, they seem really angry that the public rejected their beautiful plan for us. There is a steely resolve in that party to force their will upon the electorate.

    And abbott, he had it all and let it slip through his fingers by just being himself, a complete and utter dickhead and a hopeless pathological liar who had a resolve to return us to another time and era, the 1950’s when everyone accepted white male superiority and framed portraits of the queen hung in every govt building. If credlin was the problem as some claim, then he certainly let her do it and that goes to his intellectual laziness and/or incapacity IMO.

    All in all, it was a crazy ride, our abbott experience, who can forget all those men in uniforms, outnumbered only by the flags and abbott’s best fearmongering with those biblical overtones. Who can forget Sir Prince Phillip and the new knights and dames of the abbott court?

    We had to laugh and wait for the jester to be executed.

  107. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2015 12:44 pm

    the inappropriate decisions and Captain’s picks on otherwise small matters which just screamed loudly “Captain Wanker is in the house”

    Abbott gave Prince Philip an honor.

    Kevin Rudd who you voted for in 2007 drowned 1,200 people.

    Can you see the difference?

  108. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 1:39 pm

    At least it’s not political

  109. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2015 1:45 pm

    “….you have leftoid tendencies by thinking you know everything and are more moral than anyone else.”

    NoS……………………..I suggest you might take the time to find a mirror and read that out aloud to yourself a few hundred times and just let it sink in and think about it.

  110. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 1:50 pm

    The trade union royal commission has backed down on demands that the Australian Labor Party produce the details of up to 9000 members after protests from lawyers representing the party.

    On Wednesday, the commission sent a notice to the Victorian ALP to produce all membership applications and renewal forms ”including any payment details” for the two months leading up to May 31, 2013.

    The commission wanted the documents produced by noon on Thursday.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/royal-commission-backs-down-after-demanding-alp-membership-list-20151022-gkflps?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-14omn0055-optim-nnn:nonpaid-27062014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-afr-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter#ixzz3pGETmjYD
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    In addition to this being just breathtakingly draconian and invasive (in addition to quite obviously biased), the RC was supposed to wrap up this week. The last sitting day was scheduled for today, with tomorrow listed as a “reserve” day.

    It appears that another week has been added on.

    Monday 26–Friday 30 Reserve Days Sydney

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearing-schedules.aspx

    That wasn’t there when I looked earlier this week. Wonder what the next line of smear will be.

    theirabc was whinging earlier this week in their partisan attack on Bill Shorten that “we asked him to appear this week”

    You can see from that above why he won’t be saying anything until he knows just what is being attacked.

    Will be interesting AO to see which way it falls in voter land. Disgusting that it has come to this in our politics though, A Royal Commission being used as nothing more than a blunt political tool.

    Let’s hope the days of yabot are never repeated again. He is the darkest stain on an already dirty political class.

  111. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2015 1:57 pm

    lol wally

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2015 1:58 pm

    NoS……………………..I suggest you might take the time to find a mirror and read that out aloud to yourself a few hundred times and just let it sink in and think about it.

    Good comment. But i do not think i am more moral than anyone else like SB and other leftoids.

    Every person in detention was locked up by the ALP. But somehow this is Abbotts fault.

    Abbott made small mistakes but Rudd locked up 50,000 people.

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 22, 2015 6:14 pm

    Great news walrus!
    People might finally get some representation that is more in line with their views.

  114. October 23, 2015 12:16 am

    tr”””What about Tanya Plibersek?””’

    #Well team-cheerer, you know how it is with Labor, they`re never happy shredding their leaders one by one, but much prefer to shred them by the `batch`. Of course teabag-media would nit-pick plib`s drug-running husband, that`s a given. But it is entirely plib`s choice to trot-out and regurgitate the lame `blib-lines` l`ve seen the last 3-or-4 times on telly, and provide more fodder during the death-throws of blib`s opposition.

  115. October 23, 2015 12:33 am

    tr””’You can imagine Albo?”””

    Wow! What a display of stupidity! The `membership` could clearly `imagine` albo and `you` will deep-throat for him soon enough, just as you deep-throat for blib now, and previously deep-throated for joolya before blib.

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 12:37 am

    Australian rules football crowds: the Goodes, the bad and the ugly:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/australian-rules-football-crowds-the-goodes-the-bad-and-the-ugly/story-e6frg8h6-1227502523597

  117. October 23, 2015 12:56 am

    Great rant @ October 22, 2015 12:07 am armchair:-)

    ao”””I say this as a (*greens) voter, I don`t like the two majors, I think they are both corrupt and corrupted and our whole political system needs reform.””#agree

    ,*usually l`m `indi`, but will switch to greenz/other if it looks likely of getting them over the line and kicking a big-team to the kerb:-)

    #reforms are badly needed, neither team represents the nation or the majority, but voters are largely stuck with a duopoly that only represents a minority or a miniscule

  118. October 23, 2015 1:31 am

    blubbers”””Hilarious .. the ALP`s lurch to the extreme Left”””

    #maybe, maybe not, if you take it in the `context` that many onion-members (and-some-onions) don`t vote-for, OR want to continue funding teabag-lite on a `default` basis, but would prefer to fund (as in adam bandt) other candidates that will `actually` represent them, you may not laugh so hard

  119. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2015 6:36 am

    neither team represents the nation or the majority

    No team represents the “majority”, probably because there is no “majority” as such.

    I’ll stick with the one that has the best interest of the workers in it’s sights, and, as turc is showing, if you follow the transcripts, that would be one affiliated with Unions, whose core business is representing workers

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 23, 2015 7:34 am

    that would be one affiliated with Unions, whose core business is representing workers getting their snouts the trough

  121. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2015 7:42 am

    getting their snouts the trough

    Don’t let TB read that piece of grammarly nonsense yomm, he’ll have a field day with it 😉

    Of course, if you actually followed the turc transcripts, rather than the headlines, you’d realise it wasn’t just the grammar that was nonsense there.

    I note tony jones was playing the liberal line last night when he asked of Dreyfus(?) the equivalent of “do you still beat your wife”

    And then had to cut Dreyfus off because somebody whispered in his ear that he had been getting the victims Union officials name wrong the whole time lol

  122. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2015 7:49 am

    The Australian Labor Party is appalled by the royal commission’s attempts today to obtain the personal and private records of approximately 9,000 Victorians who are members of the ALP.

    This constitutes an unprecedented attempted invasion of privacy and has forced the royal commission into a humiliating back down today.

    The Notice to Produce (attached) was personally signed off by Dyson Heydon. It was delivered at 4pm yesterday, with a demand for these extensive personal records to be provided by 12pm today.

    It sought new membership and membership renewal forms of ALP members which included information such as names, addresses, occupations, phone numbers and credit card details of party members.

    This is an attack on freedom of association – a fundamental part of Australia’s democratic system.

    The attempt of Counsel Assisting Mr Jeremy Stoljar to describe this as a small matter again demonstrates what a shocking abuse of power and waste of taxpayer’s money the royal commission is.

    Worse, Counsel Assisting today indicated that despite today’s withdrawal, the royal commission will still be coming after party membership details.

    What started as a clear political exercise under Tony Abbott now continues under Malcolm Turnbull. When will the Prime Minster cease spending taxpayer funds on this McCarthy style inquiry?

    The ALP will fight tooth and nail to protect the privacy of its members.

    http://www.alp.org.au/statement_on_royal_commission

    Just for historical purposes, but jones actually tried to defend this naked abuse of state powers into a political organisation last night.

    AND, he played exactly as the article yesterday highlighted, why is no one questioning the turc narrative?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/long-why-is-no-one-questioning-the-turc-narrative/6868102

    He rambled about the “evidence” presented that contradicted Shortens statement, to which Dreyfus pointed out that he forgot about the evidence that contradicted that statement, and which all physical evidence supports.

    But jones did say “their is a couple of weeks left to run”, which is interesting, as it WAS scheduled to end today, then got updated to next week, and now ……………..

    As I said, the Unions should have gone to the high court, we know this will drag on as a witch hunt/kangaroo court

  123. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2015 8:40 am

  124. October 23, 2015 5:37 pm

    Your `royal-commission` bleating is over-blown. The `knifing`/s blib helped engineer has ensured he is and will remain distrusted and/or unpopular, the caucus rail-roading the members over albo made it worse.

    {tho l`m pleased to report to armchair that 3-of-4 pretty rusted-ons l know have been wd40-ed to the greenz, `coz-of-knifings`, the 4th is looking to do similar as myself and happy push `anybody-else` except teabags into a seat)

    #yaaaay.blib

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