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Catholic Leaders Condemn Tony Abbott’s anti Asylum Seeker Tirade!

October 28, 2015

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Two of Australia’s leading Catholic priests say they are “appalled, ashamed and offended” that former prime minister Tony Abbott would cite the Bible on the world stage to argue for cruel and heartless anti-immigration measures.

Mr Abbott on Wednesday morning told the Margaret Thatcher Lecture in London that world leaders should follow his controversial example and turn boats around and deny asylum seekers entry.

Mr Abbott, a failed trainee priest and devout Catholic, urged Tory ministers to ignore their consciences and the “wholesome instinct” to love thy neighbour, as is preached to Catholics in the Bible.

“It will require some force,” he warned.
“It will gnaw at our consciences yet it is the only way to prevent a tide of humanity surging through Europe and quite possibly changing it forever.”

“This wholesome instinct [to love thy neighbour] is leading Europe to catastrophic error,” he declared.

Catholics consider the New Testament teaching to “love thy neighbour as thyself” as one of the Bible’s central messages.

Retired Bishop Pat Power told The Gutter Trash he was “absolutely astounded” and “appalled” by Mr Abbott’s use of the Bible to preach a “narrow-minded” and “hard-hearted” approach to some of the world’s most vulnerable people.

“I’m ashamed that a former Australian PM would be putting out a message like this,” he said.

“People will make their own judgements but that’s completely at odds with what’s at the heart of Christianity. I’m certainly offended.”

He said asylum seeker issues were complex but noted Australia’s “history of compassion” and acceptance of refugees in the past had improved the country as a whole.

Human Rights lawyer and Jesuit priest Frank Brennan joined Bishop Power in condemning Mr Abbott’s speech.

Both cited Pope Francis’ first visit outside Rome to the Italian migrant island Lampedusa in 2013, where he called for a “reawakening of consciences”.

“We have lost a sense of brotherly responsibility,” the Pope said at the time.

Father Brennan said the parable was “just as relevant” as it had ever been in relation to the plight of asylum seekers and said Mr Abbott’s advice for European leaders was simplistic and wrong.

He said while Australia could return asylum seekers to Indonesia because they were not fleeing direct persecution, no European leader that cold return asylum seekers to Libya with a straight face.

“Mr Abbott is confusing the situation regarding Australia,” he said.

He also said Mr Abbott lacked the credentials to preach to the rest of the world because he had not resolved human rights breaches in detention camps on Nauru and Papua New Guinea.

“The appalling thing is that ex-PM Abbott has no right to preach to the world because having stopped the boats, he insisted on maintaining the facilities at Nauru and PNG,” he said.

“They are not are just harsh but cruel and they don’t deter asylum seekers because we’ve now locked the front door.”

Mr Abbott boasted to his Tory audience that the detention camps had all but closed.

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  1. October 28, 2015 9:34 am

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  2. October 28, 2015 9:52 am

    The catlicks are always a comedy of errors. Should they `love-thy-neighbor` or `molest-thy-child` .. `deport-to-warzone` or `torment-in-gulag` .. and blib being a catlick, will be no different.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:04 am

    Go Catholics!!

  4. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:07 am

    They can whine all they like ……………….But Abbott is absolutely correct

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:08 am

    While I’m away I’m going to catch up with someone I haven’t seen for a couple of decades. Trust Abbott to ensure the conversation turns to – “are all Australians rednecks?”

    Great.

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:30 am

    We get an idea of what he will be like on the $40,000 international speech circuit he hopes will augment his salary. Abbott has always preached from the bible, this time he’s telling people they have to ignore it so they can hate asylum seekers while still claiming to be of faith.

    The dickhead is a perfect example of the Peter Principle.

    And the worst thing is, he’s proud of it all!

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:54 am

    Sorry, I posted this on the rostrum thread by mistake.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/10/23/rostrum-no-particular-reason-edition/#comment-117869

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:59 am

    Tony Abbott tells European leaders to turn back asylum seekers or risk ‘catastrophic error’
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/tony-abbott-urges-european-leaders-to-turn-back-asylum-seekers/6890886

  9. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:02 am

    “…this time he’s telling people they have to ignore it so they can hate asylum seekers while still claiming to be of faith.”

    Be a good Lefty and go get the Link to where he actually said the word “hate”.

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:03 am

  11. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:08 am

    But Abbott is absolutely correct

    What, that his jesus wasn’t always correct?

    risk ‘catastrophic error’

    Is it a ‘catastrophic error’ to take some responsibility for a situation we are partly responsible for?

  12. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:10 am

    The coalition spinning the boats into “stopping people drowning” will go down as one of the great PR manipulations of all time.

    Sorry mistapascoe, but the grubmint cannot spin a line like that alone.

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:26 am

    Paula worked for john howard as his media advisor.

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:33 am

    “The coalition spinning the boats into “stopping people drowning” will go down as one of the great PR manipulations of all time.”

    The utterly pointless and unnecessary decision of the ALP to undo the Pacific Solution will go down as one of the most murderous cunt-acts of all time.

    There was no need to do it – no one was drowning and no one was in detention. It was done purely to stroke the egos of the moralising puritans of the left. And for many of them, the drownings were worth it – “accidents happen” after all.

    The lesson is that good policy comes not from the emotional incontinence of the prattling classes but from a clear-headed consideration of the facts.

    Of course arseholes like Pascoe will bleat that there is no connection between abolishing the Pacific Solution and the deaths of over 1,200 people. They prefer denial of the bleeding obvious to admitting they were wrong in the first place.

    Seriously, you have to be morally rotten to the core to go on denying responsibility for the consequences of your words and deeds without shame or regret. If you find yourself in that position you should kill yourself now – your partisan politics have supplanted your basic humanity.

  15. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:34 am

    Is yabot doing this on purpose just so people will thank turnbull even more. He’s actually doing an anti-rudd

  16. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:42 am

    Seriously, you have to be morally rotten to the core to go on denying responsibility for the consequences of your words and deeds without shame or regret.

    I AGREE!

    yabot, the best saleseman people smugglers ever had.

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:45 am

    The two priests are hardly “Catholic leaders”. One is retired and the other is a serial victim pimp. Both of them seem to have forgotten the Church’s injunction against public masturbation.

  18. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:47 am

    “yabot, the best saleseman people smugglers ever had.”

    WTF???? Labor put the smugglers back in business. Abbott ended their rotten trade.

  19. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:48 am

    “Paula worked for john howard as his media advisor.”

    So what ……………….?

    And Malcolm Fraser was a Liberal PM before he became a weeping Lefty

    She was with Howard before he became PM

  20. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:52 am

    Abbott ended their rotten trade.

    Wasn’t his grubmint actually paying them to ply their trade?

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:02 pm

    Abbott ended their rotten trade.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:04 pm

    I see Abbott has sent the lefties into a frenzy again.

    That is why i do not trust Turnbull. Unless the Coalition leader is sending the lefties into a frenzy he is doing something wrong.

  23. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:10 pm

    Abbott ended their rotten trade.

    So, there are no longer people smugglers. Can I ask just what it is we keep turning back then? And that’s without considering what is happening elsewhere in the world.

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:22 pm

    Abbott ended their rotten trade.

    A convicted people smuggler believes the Abbott government’s hard-line policy of turning back the boats is working as a deterrent for both people smugglers and those seeking passage by boat to Australia.

    Dawood Amiri spoke to Fairfax Radio’s Neil Mitchell by phone from his jail cell in an Indonesian prison and claimed corrupt Indonesian police, immigration officials and navy personnel were aiding and profiting from the people smuggling trade.

    The Afghan national said people smugglers and their clients were being put off by the prospect of being turned back at sea by the Royal Australian Navy.

    Asked if he believed the Abbott government’s controversial policy of “turning back the boats” would work, Amiri replied: “Of course it will work, it is working.

    “It will stop the boats from Indonesia to Australia”, he said.

  25. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:26 pm

    spoke to Fairfax Radio’s Neil Mitchell by phone from his jail cell

    Sounds legit!

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:26 pm

    …Seriously, you have to be morally rotten to the core to go on denying responsibility for the consequences of your words and deeds without shame or regret…

    yep, that’s exactly what abbott is doing.

  27. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:27 pm

    “Of course arseholes like Pascoe will bleat that there is no connection between abolishing the Pacific Solution and the deaths of over 1,200 people. ”

    They bleat because they have been denied their flotilla of floating dead bodies being fished out of the sea that they can hold up as their grotesque trophies to show “no connection” . Without that their words are even more hollow

    They need a body bag scoreboard.

    We see the same thing in TomR’s rants.

    There is no principle of saving people from drowning it’s always just Team Red Vs Team Blue.

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:40 pm

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 1:00 pm

    “There is no principle of saving people from drowning it’s always just Team Red Vs Team Blue.”

    True that. There are people who, on a good day you could almost respect but for the fact that they are completely unable to admit how very wrong they were. And then there are the real mongrels, the ones who want to change the policy settings back to “more drownings”.

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 1:02 pm

    Perhaps Abbott could team up with geert wilders and do a double act.

    London: This was Abbott Unplugged and Off the Leash.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/follow-me-to-safety-unleashed-tony-abbott-turns-up-the-fear-in-migrant-crisis-20151027-gkkau2.html#ixzz3pp701ERP

    At the Margaret Thatcher memorial lecture in London on Tuesday night, pre-dinner speaker Tony Abbott performed his usual greatest hits: death cults and immigrant threats.

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 1:10 pm

    Mate, Abbott is amazing. He only has to wink, raise his eyebrow, open his mouth and the lefties start frothing at the mouth.

    That is why Malcolm should not be leader of the Coalition.

  32. No Connection permalink
    October 28, 2015 1:26 pm

    There were “tens, perhaps hundreds of millions” of people in poverty and danger who “might readily seek to enter a Western country”.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 1:34 pm

    …“Of course arseholes like Pascoe will bleat that there is no connection between abolishing the Pacific Solution and the deaths of over 1,200 people. ”…

    You only care about them when they’re dead eh? Crocodile tears.

    Of course xenophobics and islamophobics will bleat that rape, torture, bashings, murder, madness and misery are acceptable deterrents for ‘saving people’s lives’!

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:08 pm

    There is no principle of saving people from drowning it’s always just Team Red Vs Team Blue.

    Where was the “principle” when hockey was crying crocodile tears over the Malaysian Solution.

    And then stood by and allowed the horrors on Nauru and Manus Island to not just continue, but most probably expand.

    They would have been safer in Malaysia.

    And how much care do we have for sending boats back that get washed ashore and plucked from the sea by Indonesian fishermen, or die in a jungle, AFTER they have come here for our ‘humanity”

    And what happens when we do force them back, or even worst, pay smugglers to take them back? They just ‘disappear”, don’t they.

    How many flooding Europe from our bombs would have been coming here instead?

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:17 pm

    “You only care about them when they’re dead eh?”

    The usual time to care about deaths is when people are dead.

    But here’s the thing – I originally supported Rudd’s abolition of the Pacific Solution. I thought that it would be humane to allow more refugees in, that we could well afford to take more and that we should show more compassion in the way we treated them. I didn’t believe the warnings at the time about the drownings that would inevitably accompany such a change in policy.

    Too many people want to go back to policies which will inevitably cause more drownings. The difference is that I am capable of learning. I can see the human tragedy caused by that policy, I acknowledge that I was wrong, very wrong, to support it.

    So enjoy your smug sniping, in the full knowledge that if the Greens have their way the drownings will resume.

  36. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:32 pm

    “How many flooding Europe from our bombs would have been coming here instead?”

    The economic migrants flooding Europe would not bother making their way to Indonesia and then Australia while it is cheaper and quicker to get to Europe and the welfare is better there.

    Meanwhile, Australia is replacing the economic migrants with genuine refugees.

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:40 pm

    There is large scale migration around the world from poorer countries to wealthy countries.

    I have many friends in Australian Science. English is now the language of Science and is the first profession with no borders. Every scientist in the world has to speak and publish in English.

    Every Eastern European scientist wants out of Eastern Europe and wants a job in an english speaking country. The Russians are the worst. They are not unemployed but get paid only $12K/year by the Russian govt. They get paid $90K/year in Australia plus 17% Super. It is a no-brainer.

    Most of the large scale people movement around the world is from unpleasant countries to live in to more pleasant countries.

    But our young PhD’s cannot get a job because the Eastern Europeans are flooding the job market.

  38. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:52 pm

    The economic migrants……………..

    Hang on, I thought there were economic migrants coming here from the middle east before?

    Simple fact, there are more refuges, and they will/must go somewhere.

    I admit, I wasn’t happy with where we ended up under Labor, especially right at the end, when they implemented the policy that actually stopped the boats. But, they are not fully to blame for that situation.

    The Greens and libs should take responsibility for their part, instead of constantly pointing the finger.

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:34 pm

    The usual time to care about deaths is when people are dead.

    Not when the deaths are preventable and there was plenty of opportunity to care about their fate when they were alive.

    Seeking asylum is a humanitarian issue not a border defence, military issue, they’ve committed no crime and they are not enemy combatants.

    Meanwhile, Australia is replacing the economic migrants with genuine refugees.

    Have we increased our annual refugee intake?

    A one-off temporary increase for syrians while we are bombing the shit out of their country is hardly a solution.

    Australia ups its Syrian refugee intake – but what about its own backyard?
    https://theconversation.com/australia-ups-its-syrian-refugee-intake-but-what-about-its-own-backyard-47160

  40. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:40 pm

    “…..or die in a jungle, AFTER they have come here for our ‘humanity”…”

    Please Link a Boat Turnback to deaths in a jungle

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:43 pm

    I admit, I wasn’t happy with where we ended up under Labor, especially right at the end, when they implemented the policy that actually stopped the boats.

    The biggest liar on the internet tells another lie.

    Every rape, murder, death in detention centers is the responsibility of the people who voted for Rudd in 2007.

    From what i have seen i am the only person who posts here who voted for Howard in 2007.

    Howard faced all these problems and came up with the Pacific Solution. It was not great policy. But in an unjust and immoral world it worked and it the best policy amongst a range of even worse policies.

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:51 pm

    “Not when the deaths are preventable and there was plenty of opportunity to care about their fate when they were alive.”

    The time to think about it was when changing the Pacific Solution. The deaths were preventable. There was no need to change the policy.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:25 pm

    Most of the large scale people movement around the world is from unpleasant countries to live in to more pleasant countries.

    Is it a crime to want to live a better life, especially when it’s so far been nothing but persecution, misery and hardship? To be treated like a human being and to live and work without fear – to hope, to dream?

    We should welcome these people.

    read and weep

    Julian Burnside: What sort of country are we?
    https://theconversation.com/julian-burnside-what-sort-of-country-are-we-48162

    Please Link a Boat Turnback to deaths in a jungle

    We wouldn’t know, it’s all secret ops stuff, as if they’d ever track them to find out. They don’t want to know, that would make them responsible.

    Every rape, murder, death in detention centers is the responsibility of the people who voted for Rudd in 2007 of the Australian government.

    Asylum seekers: we are legally responsible for their wellbeing:
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/asylum-seekers-we-are-legally-responsible-for-their-wellbeing-20151021-gkfdr3.html#ixzz3ppxCY6eH

    …In the politicking that accompanies Australia’s dealings with asylum seekers, the legal framework is often missing. Yet when one sees it in that legal context, it is clear that the government is liable for any failure to properly care for asylum seekers, such as Abyan and the 80 children whom the Department of Immigration confirmed this week were subject to a return to Nauru after medical treatment in Australia.

    The law is that the Commonwealth government owes a non-delegable duty to detainees in immigration detention, and the Commonwealth can be held liable “for the negligence of others who are engaged to perform the task of care for a third party – no matter whether the person engaged to provide the care is a servant or an independent contractor”, as the High Court stated in a landmark 2003 decision called NSW v Lepore​…

  44. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:30 pm

    “We wouldn’t know,………….”

    So why make the stupid claim in the first place ?

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:34 pm

    Is it a crime to want to live a better life, especially when it’s so far been nothing but persecution, misery and hardship?

    I was talking about my own personal experience.

    Every Russian Scientist wants a job in Australia not because they are unemployed but because their govt only pays them $12,000/year. Rather than getting a job other than science that pays a higher salary they try and migrate to English speaking countries where they can get a higher salary.

    There are 20,000 scientists from Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc) who want a job in Australia because the pay is better and it is a nicer country to live in.

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:42 pm

    breaking

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:44 pm

    A bit late for that wouldn’t you say?
    Perhaps chris kenny can get special permission to interrogate her at her hospital bedside.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:50 pm

    Perhaps chris kenny can get special permission to interrogate her at her hospital bedside.

    Perhaps you should not have voted Rudd/Greens in 2007 causing all these problems.

    In 2007 only 6 asylum seekers were in detention most probably because they could not get a security clearance.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 4:57 pm

    Rather than getting a job other than science that pays a higher salary they try and migrate to English speaking countries where they can get a higher salary.

    Yes, that’s pretty common. Is there some reason why they shouldn’t do so?

    We do have a skilled [and even unskilled] migration scheme don’t we? Business loves it and they are busy adding to the numbers while your attention is distracted by a few miserable asylum seekers!

    Do you have the same condemnation for our aussie scientists, tech companies and other professionals, even our celebrities who go overseas chasing the big money?

    What about the US citizens who come over here to manage everything, have you not noticed the number of US accents in the place?

    Migration, it’s not a dirty word.

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:02 pm

    Perhaps you should not have voted Rudd/Greens in 2007 causing all these problems.

    Perhaps you should not have voted for howard in 1998. Tampa was the start of it all, Howard politicised it for votes and the libs have continued to do so ever since, they see the human misery as good politics for themselves and people like you are massaged and manipulated for their political gain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_affair

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:07 pm

    Yes, that’s pretty common. Is there some reason why they shouldn’t do so?

    Yes because they are willing to come here and work for half wages. And it is all one way traffic.

    Lots of Aussies go to the USA . But with the Eastern Europeans it is all one way traffic.

    There are 20,000 Scientists, Dentists, Nurses, etc from Eastern Europe who want a job in Australia

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:08 pm

    Furthermore a country that does not make some attempt to look after its own people is not a country.

  53. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:15 pm

    Please Link a Boat Turnback to deaths in a jungle

    I have before now also

    Three people died while crossing a river in the jungle.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/first-closeup-look-at-a-lifeboat-the-abbott-government-is-using-to-stop-asylum-seeker-boats/story-fncynjr2-1226815340238

    Repetition repetition.

    And, like AO said, we have no idea about the others. We do know that one boatload washed ashore and were rescued by Indonesian fisherman. Now, we just don’t know.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:19 pm

    TOM R

    For a man who voted for a policy that drowned 1,200 people that we know off and most probably 5 times that you have some hide.

    You should be apologising for your vote

  55. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:41 pm

    “Three people died while crossing a river in the jungle.”

    A claim never verified by anyone

  56. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 5:48 pm

    “Now, we just don’t know.”

    Really………and you are naive enough to think the Indos wouldn’t be parading a bodybag scorecard along a lonely beach for your liking if it was happening.

    “Repetition repetition.”

    That’s because you keep repeating unverified BS all the time.

    Try harder !

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 6:37 pm

    Knowing about the deaths would kill the entire ‘plausible deniability’ scam that is modern politics.

    …No official records are kept by any government agency as to how many people trying to reach our shores to seek asylum are dying en route. The most reliable open source data is kept by the Monash Australian Border Deaths Database which “maintains a record of all known deaths associated with Australia’s borders since 1 January 2000”. Deaths include those who perish at sea attempting to reach Australian shores, those who have committed suicide within Australian detention centres and those who have died of natural causes within detention. The database is assembled from “official sources, media reports and lists of deaths collated by non-governmental organizations”. It is one of the most comprehensive, independent databases…

    TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS SINCE JAN 2000 1972
    http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/

    FactCheck: have more than 1000 asylum seekers died at sea under Labor?
    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-have-more-than-1000-asylum-seekers-died-at-sea-under-labor-16221

    …Verdict

    The 1000 deaths of asylum seekers at sea figure regularly cited by politicians and the media is broadly correct. The best official figure is just under 900, but there is no doubt that deaths at sea have occurred and have not been recorded…

    …This is a tragedy that has occurred under both political parties, especially so since 90% of asylum seekers who arrive by boat have been found to be genuine refugees…

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 7:36 pm

    This is a tragedy that has occurred under both political parties,

    But only one section of the Australian population encourages people to come here by boat.

    That is the ALP/Greens.

  59. October 28, 2015 10:48 pm

    ao””only care about them when they`re dead eh? Crocodile tears””

    splatter””policies which will inevitably cause more””#deaths

    #So which policy has caused the deaths.?

    1.Destabilizing Libya.

    2.Bombing Syria.

    3.Destruction of Iraq.

    4.Invading Afghanistan.

    splatter””The difference is that I am capable of learning””

    #Really.

  60. October 28, 2015 11:03 pm

    Hint, `all` four numb-nuts, which are in a state of `wreckage` due to colonial-powers/teh-usa/Aust`s interference and invasion, and are now overwhelmed by `death-cult-like` groups.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:16 pm

    #So which policy has caused the deaths.?

    Kevin Rudd and anybody who voted for him in 2007.

  62. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 8:12 am

    How sad is this, even the right wingers in London think he’s a fascist.

    Tony Abbott’s controversy-sparking speech in honour of Margaret Thatcher made Conservative cabinet ministers “wince”, a well-connected Tory blogger says.

    Guido Fawkes, the online persona of blogger and journalist Paul Staines, wrote that a top Tory described the speech afterwards as “fascistic”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/tories-winced-over-tony-abbotts-fascistic-refugees-speech-20151028-gklan9.html#ixzz3ptoJyBf7
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    Not that I think they are wrong or anything. Neither does Amnesty International.

    Australian officials who paid people smugglers to return a boat of asylum seekers to Indonesia committed a transnational crime and put dozens of lives at risk, according to a damning report that calls for a Royal Commission into the scandal.

    In its report Amnesty International also calls for an investigation into a second case of possible payments to a crew intercepted by the Australian Navy and Border Force on July 25.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/push-for-royal-commission-into-peoplesmuggler-cash-scandal-20151028-gkkejs.html#ixzz3ptoj9Vbz
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    What a thought, having a Royal Commission into something illegal instead of purely for a witch hunt. There’s a new thought.

  63. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 29, 2015 9:32 am

    ao””only care about them when they`re dead eh? Crocodile tears””

    splatter””policies which will inevitably cause more””#deaths

    #So which policy has caused the deaths.? “

    The crocodile tears are from the “tragedies happen” crowd who supported the policy that caused the deaths and revile the policy that stopped them. That is some serious moronic hypocrisy right there. No contradiction at all for the hand-wringing bedwetting leftist types where seeming to be virtuous is all that counts. The grisly consequences of their seeming virtue are irrelevant to them.

    The question as to policy is whether we stick with a policy that results in few or no drownings or do we reverse it with the consequence that a lot of people will drown. As I said, I deeply regret having supported that very thing. I have learned my lesson and, having no wish to see more drowning deaths, oppose calls to repeat the past mistake. Unfortunately many dumb murderous leftists have no such qualms. At some level they probably do care about the deaths. But they care far more about political gamesmanship and seeming to be virtuous. However, in reality they are not virtuous, just callous murderous dipshits.

  64. October 29, 2015 11:31 am

    HILARIOUS!

    Abbott’s Thatcher lecture on immigration now being lampooned around the world. What a total fuckwit he really is….!

    “”A speech in which former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott urged the UK to adopt his country’s hardline border policies or suffer a “catastrophic error” has been widely lambasted as something so ironic “you couldn’t script it”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/28/tony-abott-urges-uk-to-turn-back-the-boats_n_8405238.html?1446028365&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

  65. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 11:41 am

    “you couldn’t script it”.

    Obviously, these people haven’t seen anything that has happened over here for the past two years.

    But, really, why is yabot on the talking circuit already anyway? Doesn’t he have a full time, tax payer funded job to attend to already?

    It is quite interesting to see the main two protagonists for trying to make people who have lost their jobs lose everything for 6 months, whilst they are both off double dipping the aforementioned taxpayer after they lost their positions.

  66. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:13 pm

    “That is why Malcolm should not be leader of the Coalition.”

    Are you serious NoS. You actually want the ALP back in power with Crazy Tanya and Bill in charge.

    The biggest fault that Malcolm has is he sounds like he’s reciting fucking Shakespeare everytime he says something.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:33 pm

    Why it’s time for Turnbull to deal with Abbott:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/10/28/time-turnbull-deal-abbott/

    …The Prime Minister isn’t fooling anyone when he sings Tony Abbott’s praises…

    …Now Mr Abbott has taken his twisted logic and flawed morality to the international stage, audaciously lecturing other nations about their handling of the refugee crisis, saying European governments have been too compassionate, and narcissistically claiming the challenge can be solved with an Australian-style closure of borders. Oh, and also by going to war…

    Australia ignored three requests from Nauru medical staff to move Abyan
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/29/australia-ignored-three-requests-from-nauru-medical-staff-to-move-abyan?CMP=soc_568

    Demand a Royal Commission into Operation Sovereign Borders:
    http://www.amnesty.org.au/action/action/38315/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ref707_20151028&utm_content=share1

  68. October 29, 2015 1:47 pm

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  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:50 pm

    A couple of other things that tony abbott missed out when comparing himself to maggie thatcher.

    Didn’t thatcher stop the coal mines?
    Thatcher believed in science and climate change.

    [thatcher]…”It is no good squabbling over who is responsible or who should pay. Whole areas of our planet could be subject to drought and starvation if the pattern of rains and monsoons were to change as a result of the destruction of forests and the accumulation of greenhouse gases. The environmental challenge which confronts the whole world demands an equivalent response from the whole world. Every country will be affected and no one can opt out.”…

    Stop the Boats, The World Tour: Abbott’s attempt to secure his legacy
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-29/bradley-stop-the-boats-the-world-tour/6894694

    …Tony Abbott is a natural for that global vacuum cleaner of history’s detritus, the international speakers’ circuit. You need three things to succeed: celebrity; a single thing which you’re prepared to say a million times; and boundless self-belief…

    ….It was too much to hope for. That he might pause in contemplating his self-reflected image of manly, crazy-brave leadership just long enough to register the fact that the vast majority of the Australian population really doesn’t like him. And just go away…

  70. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:50 pm

    “Turn Back Thy Neighbour” 🙂

  71. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:53 pm

    Australia ignored three requests from Nauru medical staff to move Abyan

    I’m surprised that kenny the churno didn’t pick that one up AO.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 29, 2015 2:04 pm

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 29, 2015 2:09 pm

  74. October 29, 2015 3:06 pm

    “Turn Back Thy Neighbour”

    chortle..

  75. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 3:30 pm

    It’s all about maintaining principles 🙂

    The Australian Government have responded to the claims from a damning report from Amnesty International by claiming that, while Australian officials did pay money to people smugglers, they certainly did not pay them any penalty rates for smuggling over the weekend.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/10/29/australian-government-draws-line-paying-people-smugglers-penalty-rates

  76. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 3:33 pm

    turc seems to be falling apart at the moment, But, the headlines were juicy when they gullibley accepted a shonks words for truth.

    What is also enlightening, is how a shonky witness worked hand in hand with a “journalist” who didn’t want to ask too many questions

  77. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 3:35 pm

    fer sum context. And weren’t the churnos all agush!

    Reporter: Nick McKenzie

    After last night’s revelations on 7.30, another whistleblower makes claims of corruption involving the Victorian branch of the CFMEU and reveals the threats he has been subjected to through his career.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3934404.htm

    their abc, working hand in hand with fairfax who are working hand in hand with turc

    And murdor merely sits back and rubs their hands

  78. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 3:42 pm

    lol

  79. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 3:45 pm

  80. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 5:06 pm

    “Quite an insightful article on Abbott and Tony Blair by Waleed Aly..”

    Yes it is……………provided you are willing to accept Waleed’s outright deceit in his argument.

    Usual Lefty stuff………….leave out the inconvenient bits

  81. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 5:34 pm

    .leave out the inconvenient bits

    You mean inconvenient bits such as these people are fleeing a country WE are currently dropping bombs onto?

    Those sort of inconvenient bits?

  82. October 29, 2015 5:39 pm

    “”provided you are willing to accept Waleed’s outright deceit “”

    Which naturally you are able to elaborate upon…..?

  83. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 6:02 pm

    He doesn’t bother to touch upon the facts that some of the EU countries are currently speeding up the process of deporting non asylum seekers

  84. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 6:57 pm

    How many ” non asylum seekers” are there?

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 9:52 am

    Tony Abbott’s ideology laid bare: no compromise, just fight, fight, fight
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/cassidy-tony-abbotts-ideology-laid-bare/6895774

    …Close the borders in the name of decency and compassion – not since George Orwell’s 1984 satire has logic been so twisted. Tony Abbott’s speech in London didn’t tell the real story about Australia.

    The political shackles that bind leaders – the restraint against their most basic instincts – are sometimes a helpful thing.

    This week Tony Abbott broke free of the shackles and exposed his creed: a fundamental rejection of negotiation and compromise, and a refusal to allow compassion to get in the way of a nation’s self-interest…

    …And it’s not one – at home – that favours force and the will of a single leader over negotiation and consensus…

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:10 am

    Quite right KL. It seems Abbott’s speech has made leftist heads explode all over the place. That usually happens when someone points out uncomfortable facts to them. It must have been a cracker of a speech!

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:22 am

    Australians should know better than to cook up a panic over the anthem
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/29/australians-should-know-better-than-to-cook-up-a-panic-over-the-anthem?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …Devine held that “We are a secular nation. But the values that made Australia a free, prosperous, fair democracy, that migrants strive to join, come from the Judaeo-Christian foundations which underpin Western civilisation”.

    Both try to square the circle in order to punish the transgressors twice. Both try to say that Australia is at once secular and Judaeo-Christian.

    The students’ religious observance allegedly offends Australian secularism at the same that it forever estranges them from its underlying Judaeo-Christian essence. Of course, if you’re serious about secularism, you can’t do any special pleading for the values of a particular religious tradition. And if secularism can accommodate the public affirmation of some religious values, why not all of them?…

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:38 am

    A cracker speech from a crackpot sb.

    Abbott [paraphrased] – I am the light and the way, do as I say, I instinctively know what I hate and fear. I’ve spent my life embracing the superman in the sky fable of organised religion. I am committed to it’s core, but I am here today to tell you all that you must disregard god’s basic teachings, as I, god’s warrior do, every single day and whenever I choose.

    god bless us all

    Yes, Abbott’s special brand of cognitive dissonance and incoherence on parade. More of a reason to reject religion, it brings a descent into madness and world. George Bush was afflicted with the ‘chosen by god to bring war on others’ mania too.

  89. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:39 am

    “Both try to say that Australia is at once secular and Judaeo-Christian.”

    That’s a nice bit of distortion of what she actually said which was

    “But the values that made Australia a free, prosperous, fair democracy,…………, come from the Judaeo-Christian foundations which underpin Western civilisation”.

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:44 am

    missed a word from last para…world + domination.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:51 am

    That usually happens when someone points out uncomfortable facts to them.

    No-one with any intelligence had to have it “pointed out” that Abbott was just another mean spirited, aggressive, deceitful, thieving, hypocritical catlik …

    … and many of us who knew and said that were chastised by his acolytes and believers …

    … far from heads exploding (another religiously right wing fairy tale) the majority are basking in the knowledge that others have now seen what we knew all along …

    … and The Mad Abbott is being seen for what he really is – internationally!

    Will Australians finally see through Crocodile Smile Turncoat?

    And sadly this is where it all begins … with the help of taxpayer money …

    The Xavier boys at the centre of the furore are likely to escape being disciplined.

    The year 12s posting insults such as “povos” and “retards” and dishing out misogynist slurs to VCE girls from state schools, graduated last Friday and the school will not prevent them from sitting their exams.

    Apart from a dressing-down from the principal and the wrath of their parents, the boys are expected to leave the prestigious school without receiving sanctions.

    The 18-year-old Xavier pupil who began the insults deleted his Facebook account.

    Before that he apologised on the VCE forum for his “disgusting comments”.

    Apologised after he was told to more like!

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/pakenham-students-labelled-povo-hit-back-at-xavier-college-bullies/story-fngqim8m-1227587615449

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:54 am

    The Judaeo-Christian thing is only part of the story. The Greeks contributed just as much. It was Greek philosophy that underpins a lot of Christian thought – Plato in the case of Augustine and Aristotle in the case of Aquinas. The enlightenment sprang from attempts to recover the glorious past of Classical Greece and Rome. In fact the enlightenment was as much about undermining Christianity as it was an affirmation of it.

    St Paul did give us the idea of the paramount place of the individual conscience. And Christianity, in theory at least was promulgated by a virgin preaching love of neighbour and turning the other cheek. Islam was promulgated by a sex-crazed warlord who had 11 wives (including a six year old), sex slaves and who had his critics murdered. No wonder Islamic societies are so backwards on almost every measure.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:57 am

    “But the values that made Australia a free, prosperous, fair democracy,…………,

    free???? prosperous ????? fair ???? democracy ????

    By whose standards …

    Robber Barons and multi-millionaires … and the catlik church!

    GMAFB!

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 10:58 am

    That’s a nice bit of distortion of what she actually said which was

    “But the values that made Australia a free, prosperous, fair democracy,…………, come from the Judaeo-Christian foundations which underpin Western civilisation”…

    Which must be forced upon our supposedly secular schools apparently.
    Perhaps she doesn’t know what secular means. You either have to accept all religious belief or have none of them. If we really are secular, there should be no celebration of any religion in our public schools.

    We only seemed to start espousing australia’s great ‘judeo-christian’ tradition since john howard’s time in office and the warmongering on iraq. This was all added to please the jews, to set up a jewish – christian ‘value system’ and the enemy was…let me think…islam?

    Anyway, tony abbott has just said we should ignore them [judeo christian values]…for the sake of western civilisation and our very survival! 😯

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:04 am

    “Which must be forced upon our supposedly secular schools apparently.
    Perhaps she doesn’t know what secular means. You either have to accept all religious belief or have none of them. If we really are secular, there should be no celebration of any religion in our public schools.”

    True. And it doesn’t mean atheist either.

  96. October 30, 2015 11:25 am

    why can’t we all just get along……??

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:27 am

    True. And it doesn’t mean atheist either.

    Who said it does? Secular does not mean a state imposed atheism does it?

    People are still free to practice their religion, but it does mean that we should not be pushing any religion in our schools, christianity included. People can practice whatever religion they like in the privacy of their own homes or at that special place for religion – called a church I believe. Or they could go to a private religious school, which should be paid for by themselves and not be propped up by the taxpayers of a secular state.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:33 am

    ” … why can’t we all just get along……??”

    Duh? :O

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:37 am

    free???? prosperous ????? fair ???? democracy ????

    yes TB, sounds lovely doesn’t it? Unfortunately doesn’t work out in practice, but who are we to point out the obvious non-achievement?

    We should all hold hands and sing advance australia fair and everything will right itself. If it doesn’t, if free, prosperous, fair and democracy doesn’t work out for you, then it’s all your own damned fault!

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:41 am

    why can’t we all just get along……??

    thanks kamahl

    30+ years you’ve been saying it – why are people so unkind?

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:42 am

    “why can’t we all just get along……??”

    I try. I really do. In fact, this morning I have been Mr Agreeable. I haven’t called anyone a f*#&ing c@^t for at least 12 hours. But what is the fun in that kind of restraint?

    Anyway, I think we do get along, in our own peculiar ways.

  102. October 30, 2015 11:57 am

    “”I try. I really do. In fact, this morning I have been Mr Agreeable.””

    That hasn’t gone unnoticed, although I was in fact referring to the religious peoples. Why can’t they all just get along? But I think we all know the answer to that question. Each of them are “”hellbent”” (if you’ll pardon the analogy) on insisting that their so-called dog is the only true one. I wish they’d all just STFU.

    Every morning I have to walk past this cheap suit-wearing vintage freak in his cheap shoes and fedora hat loitering outside my apartment with his little JW brochure stand promoting JW guff. Sometimes he tries to catch my eye. I feel like decking him most days. The harm that these freaks cause with their sky fairy propaganda is a disgrace!

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 11:57 am

    In fact the enlightenment was as much about undermining Christianity as it was an affirmation of it.

    Gee, you really place personal motive behind historical events don’t you sb?

    I guess something had to be done once people realised the stupidity of religion and the barbaric customs of the practitioners of it.

    Enlightenment was about banishing the ignorance, fear, punishment and intolerance of an uneducated people who used their interpretation of religion to hate, smear, persecute or kill in the name of their religion. It was about scientific discovery, education, intellectual thought not ignorant belief.

    Thank goodness for it, it has brought us to this modern day [although the barbarians are still at the gates, fighting on for their right to be bigots and insisting on holding back the tide of progress!]

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:18 pm

    Me too!

  105. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:22 pm

    why can’t we all just get along……??

    Is it my fault these blockheads aren’t right like I am 🙂

    Every morning I have to walk past this cheap suit-wearing vintage freak

    Damn reflective window frontages hey 😉

  106. October 30, 2015 12:28 pm

    “”Damn reflective window frontages””

    HOW VERY DARE YOU…!!!

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:32 pm

    “why can’t we all just get along……??”

    Because each believes they have God on their side:

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:34 pm

    😆

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:35 pm

    Of course some atheists are just as bad. The common denominator is not religion per se but ideological certainty. Communism killed over 100 million people in a vain attempt to make the world a better place.

  110. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:47 pm

    but ideological certainty

    tru dat

  111. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:48 pm

    Speaking of ideological certainty, counsel accusing has plenty of that

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 2:25 pm

    “dumb as a bucketful of hammers””

    tru dat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thick as a brick!

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2015 2:30 pm

    Thick as a brick!

    Says the man who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11% in 1993. When unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007 TB still voted Labor.

  114. October 30, 2015 2:53 pm

    “”Says the man who voted….”

    Well who are you going to vote for now, now that your wet dream wonderland of Tony Abbott has been unceremoniously dumped by his own party in favour of the moderate Talcum?

    So who’s it gonna be Neil huh? huh??

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2015 3:03 pm

    So who’s it gonna be Neil huh? huh??

    Honestly i do not know. I could never vote Labor. I suspect i will place a cowardly vote for the Liberal party but who knows. I may not vote.

    I just wish Malcom would piss off and join the Labor Party where he belongs.

    On second thoughts I think malcom would make a good Treasurer because i think he is conservative in money matters. But he should never have be made Leader.

    I think the man will sell us out at the UN climate conference coming up.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2015 3:13 pm

    why can’t we all just get along…

    I’m getting along quite nicely at the moment. Had a surf at Malibu.

    I might even try it again tomorrow

  117. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2015 3:49 pm

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2015 4:08 pm

    Fame at last! Thanks IATW

  119. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2015 4:19 pm

    You are welcome

    And here’s Fifi waiting on the beach

  120. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2015 4:31 pm

    Looks nice yomm.

    Who’s that girl with it?

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 4:44 pm

    “””Fame at last! Thanks IATW”””

    I thought that was Wally for a minute!

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2015 4:46 pm

    Surfing types are calm, steady, communing with nature. Just like that nice lass.

  123. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2015 5:34 pm

    Mmmmmm…………….Fish !

    No fish tonight. We are having Walrus’ famous Crunchy Hot & Spicy Southern Deep Fried Chicken Wings and Drumettes in the new deep fryer I bought today

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 7:25 pm

    KFC?

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 7:25 pm

    BTW you do know its Friday?

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 8:40 pm

    “Implicitly or explicitly, the imperative to love your neighbour as you love yourself is at the heart of every western polity … but right now this wholesome instinct is leading much of Europe into catastrophic error.” Tony Abbott

    All I can say is, thank Christ I’m agnostic!

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2015 8:40 pm

    or is it … an agnostic? mmm …

  128. October 31, 2015 12:28 am

    You teabags need to realize there is always a silver-lining to most events, ya`just need to know where to look.

    Mr-rabbits `turn-back-thy-neighbor` speech does have a few `silver-linings` too. First, the-usa public have been shown greater fools than george-w can make it to the top, there is `hope` for all of them, a boost to moral.

    Second, democracies, particularly of `teh-west` should beware just how far they trash their own system, look what ya`might end-up with.

    Third, paying idiots to make speeches `will` result in an idiot speech.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2015 7:22 pm

    Devout Australians, particularly Catholics, are the victims of an “alarming emergence of intolerance of religious faith”, the federal attorney general George Brandis has told a roundtable of faith leaders in Sydney.

    He cited “incessant, smearing ridicule” of Tony Abbott’s faith as an example of “bigotry at its most shameless”.

    “[It was] made worse, if possible, by the added hypocrisy of the fact that many of those who engaged in that sneering were the very same people who like to pose as the enemies of bigotry,” Brandis said on Thursday.

    Speaking at the Human Rights Commission’s inaugural roundtable on religious freedom, the senator raised intolerance towards Muslim Australians as proof of the country’s “somewhat inconsistent attitudes” towards religious tolerance.

    “Members of the Islamic community are sometimes the victims of suspicion and hostility directed against them by those ignorantly seeking to blame terrorist violence upon Koranic teaching,” he said.

    Members of Christian faiths, especially Catholics, were “routinely the subject of mockery and insult by prominent writers and commentators”.

    GUFFAW! LOL! CHORTLE!

    Get the religious pricks out of State Schools!

    One of my grandchildren graduates from state school this year STATE school with a really nice HALL … the graduation is being held in a CHURCH hall about 15 cliks away!

    WHY!

    Dontcha luv, Stephen Fry?

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4345550.htm

  130. November 10, 2015 8:55 am

    via-tb”””Catholics, are the victims of an `alarming emergence of intolerance of religious faith`, the federal attorney general George Brandis has told a roundtable of faith leaders in Sydney. He cited `incessant, smearing ridicule` of Tony Abbott`s faith as an example of `bigotry at its most shameless”””’

    #boo.fcuking.hoo #the catlicks should `self-manage` better then, shouldn`t they? Had they prevented their very-own imbecile from strutting the national and international stages, displaying his stupidity in full-bloom, teh-catlicks would have one less topic penetrating their thin-skins.

  131. December 3, 2015 10:46 am

    For the love of christ…

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