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  1. November 16, 2015 10:51 am

    In the wake of the Paris terror attacks that occurred late Friday evening, Australian stocks have plummeted upon the resumption of trade with the benchmark ASX 200 index falling below the 5,000 point level for the first time since September 29 this year.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/asx-crashes-through-5000-2015-11

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 11:09 am

    Not sure that the ASX downturn can be directly related to the Paris attacks its been up and down like a bride’s nightdress for weeks …

    I’m sure Wally would agree …

    Vive la République!

  3. November 16, 2015 11:24 am

    HOOVERING-UP EVERY CITIZENS PHONE CALLS AND NET DATA PREVENTS TEWWA

    #YAAAAAAAAAY.TEAMS

  4. November 16, 2015 12:07 pm

    teh-usa and france have bombed `rakka` with 20-jet-loads of bombs/missiles

    #`rakka`.population.400,000 .. #yaay.teams

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 16, 2015 12:37 pm

    The attack has certainly brought the nutters out play.

    Clueless leftist Obama said that Islamic State had been “contained” just before the attack. Then he decided he’d better redouble his efforts against what he had previously called the “Jayvee Team”.

    One conspiracy crazed alarmist thinks ISIS chose Paris as a target so as to fuck up the climate summit so it could get high prices for its oil:

    So, assuming – as seems probable at this stage – that the Paris outrage was carried out by or for ISIS, was it in any way motivated by a desire to scupper a strong climate agreement at COP21? And so maintain high demand for oil long into the future, together with a high oil price?

    Let’s just say that it could have been a factor, one of several, in the choice of target and of their timing. And of course ISIS was not necessarily acting entirely on its own. While not alleging direct collusion between ISIS and other oil producing nations and companies, it’s not hard to see a coincidence of interests.

    Looney Tune Leftist Bernie Sanders says climate change caused the massacre:

    Asked how Friday’s deadly terrorist attacks on Paris were linked to drought, Mr. Sanders said Sunday: “What happened in Syria, for example, there’s some thought on this.”

    “When you have drought, when people can’t grow their crops, they’re going to migrate into cities,” said Mr. Sanders, an avowed democratic socialist. “And when people migrate into cities and they don’t have jobs, there’s going to be a lot more instability, a lot more unemployment, and people will be subject to the types of propaganda that al Qaeda and ISIS [spread].”

    Dr Mahathir says it is the fault of the Jews:

    Former [Malaysian] prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad has blamed Israel for the deadly Paris attacks last night, saying that the creation of the Jewish state was the cause.

    Turnbull almost got it right:

    Stating that protecting Australians and their freedom was a global battle, Turnbull said those who “seek to assert some form of religious tyranny” were posing “a threat in the name of God” but were “truthfully the work of the devil”.

    He should have added that Allah was in fact the devil.

    The Imams Council thinks it is racism, Islamophobia, security laws and foreign policies. Unsurprisingly, the Mufti seems to have Islamist connections.

    Other idiots have suggested “blowback”. Well d’uh! If you fight someone they will fight back. The Battle of Britain was blowback for interfering in Germany’s reasonable quest for Lebensraum.

    There are already Truthers explaining what really happened.

    Meanwhile the Pope is probably trying to figure out whose mother was insulted to provoke this “punch in the face”.

  6. November 16, 2015 1:19 pm

    The alarmist doesn`t know what it`s talking about splatter, paris is now safe, and the coal-summit will go ahead. New opinion from 3% of scientists are certain global-cooling will prevent tewwa.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 1:36 pm

    According to Nostradamus …………………………….. 😉

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 16, 2015 2:50 pm

    Mark Steyn The Barbarians Are Inside, And There Are No Gates:

    The west cannot win this thing with a schizophrenic strategy of targeting things and people but not targeting the ideology, of intervening ineffectually overseas and not intervening at all when it comes to the remorseless Islamization and self-segregation of large segments of their own countries.

    What’s the happy ending here? Because if M Hollande isn’t prepared to end mass Muslim immigration to France and Europe, then his “pitiless war” isn’t serious. And, if they’re still willing to tolerate Mutti Merkel’s mad plan to reverse Germany’s demographic death spiral through fast-track Islamization, then Europeans aren’t serious. In the end, the decadence of Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and the rest of the fin de civilisation western leadership will cost you your world and everything you love.

    So screw the candlelight vigil.

    Steyn is right. It is about time to join the battle of ideas and attack the specific Islamic teachings which are offensive and wrong. Muslims need to hear that it is not cool that their Prophet kept sex slaves, had his critics murdered, was a jihadi, enjoined the killing of unbelievers, blasphemers and apostates, beheaded 700 Jews or fucked a nine year old and further, they should not aspire to imitate him. They should understand that Sharia Law is a per se a crime against humanity (not least because it would permit all of the above (and more).

    The trouble is that our political representatives won’t do it and most leading intellectuals are either too stupid or too gutless to carry on the discussion. The West’s ability to even take part in the battle of ideas died with the Charlie Hebdo journalists.

    Also, Brendan O’Neill nails it – the loathing of Islamists for the West is of a piece with the self-loathing of Western leftists, as he explains in After Paris on stupid leftist hand-wringing.

    And it is precisely this response, this moral disarray in the modern West, which acts as a green light to terrorist groups or individuals to punish us. It’s an invitation to assault. The interplay between the self-loathing of the modern West and the nihilism of Islamist outfits is striking. They are a brutal, violent expression of a disgust for the modern world that has its origins in the universities, political circles and media elites of the West itself as much as in volatile, unstable territories in the Islamic world. Indeed, many of the attacks in the West over the past 15 years have been carried out by people either born in or educated in the West. But even if the attackers have foreign passports and got into Europe via the recent influx from Syria — as one of the Paris suicide bombers allegedly did — it’s not their foreignness that is important so much as the unholy marriage that now exists between the nihilistic youths drawn to anti-modern, anti-Western death cults like ISIS and the anti-modern, anti-Western death wish of the West itself. Terrifyingly, horrifically, they are complimentary.

  9. November 16, 2015 3:38 pm

    l know splatter, it`s terrible. All those leftist hand-wringers in world govts should stop being totally different to the oil-war-teabags and help them defeat the death-cult-teabags.

  10. Walrus permalink
    November 16, 2015 3:52 pm

    I’ve never been there but 28.4% of Blackburn in the UK is Muslim……Bloody hell…………….!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 4:52 pm

    So the answer is to run a round with Styers (instead of AK47’s) and pop any Muslim we come across … especially in large groups?

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2015 5:00 pm

    When I used to do “adventure travel” I used to note that tempers flared in the middle east far more than in the west. It appeared that anger was seen as a reasonable way to resolve a problem in markets and on the streets.

    When anger is an acceptable response to a routine difficulty, a violent culture is likely to follow.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 5:22 pm

    😐

  14. Walrus permalink
    November 16, 2015 5:29 pm

    “So the answer is to run a round with Styers (instead of AK47’s) and pop any Muslim we come across … especially in large groups?”

    Nah…..we will spare the ones running all the Middle Eastern restaurants in the Surry Hills area of Sydney

  15. November 16, 2015 5:31 pm

    you.know.who,,,,,,,,,,,,,,tempers flared in the middle east far more than in the west,,,,,,,,,,,

    #it`s.only.brown.people

    #somebody should have done some `adventure-travel` in LA after the rodney king trial

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2015 6:18 pm

    I enjoy the commentary from people who have never been to the middle east.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 6:27 pm

    I have … :/

    Ever “adventure travelled” in PNG?

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2015 6:28 pm

    Oh, yes, majority of Papua New Guineans are very devoted Christians … what a wonderful management decision to set up Manus Island and re-settlement in PNG … for Muslims … duh …

  19. November 16, 2015 6:51 pm

    SIGH,,,,,,,,,far more than in the west. It appeared that anger was seen as a reasonable way to resolve,,,,,, virginia-tech, columbine, and newton

    (ref page 17, middle-east `adventure-travel` handbook)

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2015 7:59 pm

    I went to PNG as a youth TB.

  21. November 16, 2015 8:35 pm

    ls it just me teabags, or does anybody else think that it is a tad `bi-polar` that at home there is currently running the `anti-wife-beating` campaign/s thru the embedded-media, while at the same time team-cheering killing other women by drone-bomb.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2015 8:29 am

    Australia’s first Islamic faith political party intends to field Senate candidates in all states and territories at next year’s federal election and also contest upper house seats at state level

    Great! That’s just what we need – more religion in politics!

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-muslim-party-aims-to-contest-federal-and-state-elections-20151116-gl0app.html#ixzz3rgyprEXH

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 9:00 am

    I went to PNG as a youth TB.

    I lived there as an adult and got to experience:

    When anger is an acceptable response to a routine difficulty, a violent culture is likely to follow.

    ‘Tis everywhere … or have you not heard of domestic violence … cruelty and violence is way of life for certain types of people … and for evil to exist good people do nothing … or other evil people?

    Just sayin’ …

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 9:05 am

    I tend to agree with Waleed Aly … intelligent “take” …

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/waleed-aly-hits-out-at-isis-over-paris-attacks-calls-them-weak/story-fn948wjf-1227611388541

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2015 9:17 am

    It’s just my observation TB. If angry yelling and gesturing is regarded as a mainstream and acceptable way to deal with minor issues, then a culture of violence is likely to take hold.

    Is that unreasonable?

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 9:31 am

    It’s just my observation TB. If angry yelling and gesturing is regarded as a mainstream and acceptable way to deal with minor issues, then a culture of violence is likely to take hold.

    Well that means every western nation has a culture of violence.

    I’d like us to deal with why people are so angry and stressed, are they being pushed to the limits by living in this society economy.

    Great! That’s just what we need – more religion in politics!

    What’s more, taxpayer’s will fund the religion and then fund it again as a political party, isn’t that double dipping?

    I think it’s time that the Secular Party of Australia raised their profile.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:13 am

    Waleed has some reasonable comments. I would add that the terror is an end in itself – the Islamists want to show by their grotesque terror that they are following the example of the Prophet and attract those Muslims looking for authentic Islam. In that way they hope to wedge the Muslim community. This theory was set out in “The Management of Savagery” – an Islamist tract on how to establish the Caliphate.

    “ISIL don’t want you to know they would quickly be crushed if they ever faced a proper Army on a battlefield.”

    I assume that this is Ali’s prescription – to take Islamic State on the battlefield.

    However, that only gets us so far. There is also the battle of ideas. Waleed doesn’t really deal with this but a different Ali (Ayaan Hirsi) does:

    Second, dig in for a long battle of ideas. European leaders will have to address the infrastructure of indoctrination: mosques, Muslim schools, websites, publishing houses and proselytizing material (pamphlets, books, treatises, sermons) that serve as conveyor belts to violence. Islamic extremists target Muslim populations through dawa (persuasion), convincing them that their ends are legitimate before turning to the question of means.

    European governments must do their own proselytizing in Muslim communities, promoting the superiority of liberal ideas. This means directly challenging the Islamic theology that is used by the Islamist predators to turn the heads and hearts of Muslims with the intent of converting them into enemies of their host countries.

    This is an important part of the struggle and at the moment most Western leaders are not up for the task.

  28. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:16 am

    “Well that means every western nation has a culture of violence.”

    No it doesn’t. If that was true why do so many want to live in the West.

    And if it is true then that means they are economic refugees which we should reject.

  29. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:21 am

    I enjoy the commentary from people who have never been to the middle east

    I enjoy the commentary of rubber necks who think their tourist footsteps renders them an expert in the field

    If angry yelling and gesturing is regarded as a mainstream and acceptable way to deal with minor issues, then a culture of violence is likely to take hold.

    I do so love visiting the Italian markets 😉

    I’m not disagreeing that the middle east, as a whole, are quite volatile

    As are Italians, Germans, Jews… French? And, I’d love to see the ‘Mericans response if handed the same treatment by “their betters” for so long.

    But, ignorance aside, I was listening to Dan Carlins latest podcast at Common Sense, and he must have been halfway through recording a show as halfway through he just abandons the topic he was on (I actually think he was almost wrapped up) and starts thinking out loud about the events in Paris.

    He does highlight that this is pretty much Terrorism 101

    And, since we have seen the French response, then they are behaving in Response 101 (which is pretty much what the Terrorism 101 is looking for)

    He doesn’t supply any answers (are there any?), but it was an interesting ramble. Mainly just warnings about responses, which we (the West) have so far failed with appalling regularity

    “Common Sense 298 – Innovation Acceleration and Jab Defense”

    http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

    The “Jab Defense” is extremely accurate imo

  30. November 17, 2015 10:24 am

    STILL.BEING.STUPID.I.SEE,,,,,,,,,far more than in the west. It appeared that anger was seen as a reasonable way to resolve,,,,,,

    According to the `adventure-travel` handbook(page-23) teh middle-east invaded korea and vietnam and in their spare-time bombed laos and cambodia

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:44 am

    European governments must do their own proselytizing in Muslim communities, promoting the superiority of liberal ideas. This means directly challenging the Islamic theology that is used by the Islamist predators to turn the heads and hearts of Muslims with the intent of converting them into enemies of their host countries.

    I’d like governments to stop proselyting in all religions, christianity included. Why don’t we leave religion to itself, let it’s adherents fund and support it? As it is, we have taxpayer funding of religions and charities, you have to fund islam when you fund christianity and zionism, plus the cults like the mormons and scientology. An enormous waste. Shouldn’t we get real and stop it all?

    Has anyone tried a diplomatic solution rather than more troops and more warfare?

  32. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:51 am

    promoting the superiority of liberal ideas. This means directly challenging the Islamic theology

    I really don’t think that the people on the ground, the recruits to ISIS, really see much evidence from their hovels of “the superiority of liberal ideas”, particularly when for so long that superiority has been etched onto the front of a guided missile

    I was also surprised to hear that the large chunk of Isis recruits are Georgians, who have seen first hand from our old mate putin just how “superior” liberal ideas can be.

    Has anyone tried a diplomatic solution rather than more troops and more warfare?

    It just seems too simple to be tried AO. 😦

    But, I also think that we have progressed way past that point. But, talking is always preferable. Nobody, to my knowledge, has attempted it at a senior level

  33. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:52 am

    What a mess………………….

  34. November 17, 2015 11:15 am

    WALEED,,,,,,,,,Aly has unleashed on Australia`s politicians and Muslim leaders who have preached `hate` in the wake of the Paris attacks saying their actions actually help Islamic State rather than defeat them.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #correct, and many here have said that too (death-cult death-cult death-cult)

    waleed,,,,,,,,they would quickly be crushed if they ever faced a proper Army on a battlefield,,,,,,,,,,

    #waleed doesn`t understand war-history tho, when one army has `equipment-advantage` the other side go gorrilla/tewwawist, this played-out in ny911, teh-usa army can fire `smart` missiles from jets and ships, so the other side obtained `man-powered` smart missiles.

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:15 am

    From the Waleed article

    and for countries like Australia to vilify Muslims.

    After seeing the oz’s headline yesterday morning, and then listening to that Dan Carlin episode last night, it’s all going perfectly to plan for them, isn’t it?

  36. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:26 am

    “……..they would quickly be crushed if they ever faced a proper Army on a battlefield,,,,,,,,,,
    #waleed doesn`t understand war-history tho, when one army has `equipment-advantage` the other side go gorrilla……..”

    Waleed seems to have this naive vision of ISIS meeting a Coalition force out on the flat plains of Syria in some sort of “Waterloo” smackdown.

    Far from it. ISIS would retreat into the ruins of Raqqa and we’d have a “Fall of Berlin” style battle that would be drawn out and full of body bags

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:27 am

    “I’d like governments to stop proselyting in all religions, christianity included.”

    You misread her point – she spoke of proselytising in Muslim communities. Presumably secular values. (Note to TomR ideas can be contested in Western communities as well.)

    Putin has liberal ideas?

    Obviously, Step One in the battle of ideas is to kick the dumb leftists to the floor, namely those who don’t believe that Western Civilisation or the ideas behind it is superior to Islamist ideas. In fact they hate the West as much as the Islamists do.

  38. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:30 am

    Seeing as it didn’t post properly I’ll try again.

    Like I said………what a mess

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:38 am

    It is not a matter of vilifying Muslims. What we need is honest discussion as I suggested above – “Muslims need to hear that it is not cool that their Prophet kept sex slaves, had his critics murdered, was a jihadi, enjoined the killing of unbelievers, blasphemers and apostates, beheaded 700 Jews or fucked a nine year old and further, they should not aspire to imitate him. They should understand that Sharia Law is a per se a crime against humanity (not least because it would permit all of the above (and more).”

    If we are not prepared to have that sort of direct discussion then how exactly are we going to contest the battle of ideas?

    Of course gutless leftists won’t be up for it. Don’t expect the sisterhood to contest the idea that women are inferior to men, that they must obey their husbands, that the Koran says that husbands may beat their wives and that women inherit less than men and that their evidence in court is worth less than that of men.

  40. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:47 am

    Note to TomR ideas can be contested in Western communities as well.

    I’m guessing you have read something I have posted that you have interpreted to make you think I disagree with that?

    If we are not prepared to have that sort of direct discussion then how exactly are we going to contest the battle of ideas?

    I don’t disagree with that.

    If we are not prepared to have that sort of direct discussion then how exactly are we going to contest the battle of ideas?

    Ah, but it works both ways. Will “the West” ever acknowledge that their treatment of the region has been one of constant greed and disregard for the locals?

    In that way, are they any better than the Mohammad you envision?

  41. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:01 pm

    Desperate Obama Just Wants To Know Who To Give Weapons To In Order To Stop ISIS

    http://www.theonion.com/article/desperate-obama-just-wants-know-who-give-weapons-o-51853

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:03 pm

    “Will “the West” ever acknowledge that their treatment of the region has been one of constant greed and disregard for the locals?”

    History is history. There will always be an army of slithering leftists proclaiming that every bad thing in the world comes from Western imperialism and orientalism. But what is your point? How will that help Islam reform itself? How will that help develop a culture that is capable of sustaining an economy on which a reasonable society can be built.

  43. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:16 pm

    History is history

    So sayeth Mohammad , despoiler of young girls.

    And aint that just ‘history”?

    Of course, Bombing Iraq to GET SADDAM is a bit more recent history than other history, aint it?

  44. November 17, 2015 12:25 pm

    squirter,,,,,,,,Western Civilisation or the ideas behind it is superior,,,,,,,,

    #yep, teh-west banging on all those hornets nests in afghanistan, korea, iran, iraq, pakistan, vietnam during teh cold-war and since, was a brilliant idea, look where it got`em

  45. November 17, 2015 12:35 pm

    squirter,,,,,,,,It is not a matter of vilifying Muslims,,,,,,,,,

    #yet you feel the need to do so

    squirter,,,,,,,,women are inferior to men, that they must obey their husbands, that the Koran says,,,,,,,,

    #teh-bible and torah also are `sisterhood` unfriendly

    squirter,,,,,,,Don`t expect the sisterhood to contest,,,,,,,,

    #don`t expect anybody with half a brain or better to `contest` a non-idea that `this` flavored skyfairy is better than your-flavored talking-snake

    squirter,,,,,,we need is honest discussion,,,,,,

    #yet you managed to avoid it completely

  46. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:37 pm

    “………“Will “the West” ever acknowledge that their treatment of the region has been one of constant greed and disregard for the locals?”……….”

    That’s a bullshit statement. South East Asia experienced colonialism as well and yet we dont see anything near the chaos that Islam engenders. Plus we see wealthy nations arising from the ashes of various civil wars

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:50 pm

    I think there is a little difference between excited gesticulating and overt anger.

    I’d also observe that (in the middle east) the expressions of gratitude are way over the top, and the simmering anger is common and beyond what is regarded as a mainstream emotion in the west.

    Emotions are extreme, resentment is deep, so those that have never even observed or experienced this are welcome to talk from a position of …what?
    ————–
    …and by the way, I think Waleed Aly provides intelligent and thoughtful insight.

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 12:56 pm

    You misread her point – she spoke of proselytising in Muslim communities. Presumably secular values. (Note to TomR ideas can be contested in Western communities as well.)

    No i didn’t sb, do devout and extreme right wing christian fanatics stop their beliefs because others try to intervene? No, in fact they defend them further and develop secretive, siege like behaviour. We even let them have their secretive cults and we fund them and their child abuse, no questions asked. We let them off voting [exclusive brethren] and all their non-participation in a normal, modern society.

    Why let any of these nutjob groups flourish, while we try and dismantle the second largest religion in the world? Tackle one, tackle them all I say.

    Does anyone else wonder if we’re rapidly heading toward WW3? Yet another religious war – aren’t they all?

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 1:30 pm

    I’d also observe that (in the middle east) the expressions of gratitude are way over the top, and the simmering anger is common and beyond what is regarded as a mainstream emotion in the west.

    I don’t know, I think we are fast getting there, corporate culture, border force and the law and order/security doctrine demands the same of us. try and mount a protest against mining or anything really, try and fight the corporate culture [unions] and see how quickly the machinery of state is turned against you.

  50. November 17, 2015 1:45 pm

    HA.HA you-know-who is now claiming he understands all middle-east history because he spent a week `adventure-travel` around the pyramids

    +

    TOO.FCUKING.STUPID to realize he`s trying to absolve all the crusading colonial powers(teh-west) that `continually` damaged the region, in the same manner he tries to absolve boardrooms that fly over hot-battlefields

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 1:50 pm

    “So sayeth Mohammad , despoiler of young girls.”

    “History is history” means it happened and we should acknowledge that.

    Retardland, truly you are the epitome of leftist stupidity (don’t feel left out KL, I’ll get to you in a minute). You are just throwing sand in the air to avoid the real issue. The cultural values of Western civilisation are clearly superior to the cultural values in Islamic societies. That is why Islamic societies are among the most primitive and backwards on the planet.

    Values like liberty, the freedom to think or say what you like, (or, if you are woman, the freedom to walk down the street unaccompanied by a male relative without getting molested,) free association, representative government and a decent standard of living are all possible in the West and in many countries that have improved their lot by studying Western ways and adapting some of them.

    Your idiot false-equivalence arguments merely paper over the real problems. The only contribution Islamic societies have made to the modern world in recent times is in novel terrorist techniques. Apart from that they have been completely fucking useless in terms of providing anything of value to their citizens or anyone else.

    In the end it is a really simple question does Milan become Mogadishu or does Mogadishu become Milan. Your stupid false equivalence answer is, no doubt, that it doesn’t matter as they are equal.

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 1:59 pm

    “No i didn’t sb”

    In that case what is the problem with the government pushing secular values?

    “do devout and extreme right wing christian fanatics stop their beliefs because others try to intervene?”

    Do devout left wing fanatics?

    Islam is a particular and different problem, both in Australia and abroad. But you are so fixated on some dumb false equivalence. Yeah. The Exclusive Brethren are just as bad as al Qaeda, or Hamas or Hezbollah or the Taliban or Boko Haram or any of the hundreds of other jihadi groups. Oh, I get it they are worse than all of them put together. On what basis do you call anyone else a nutjob?

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 1:59 pm

    TomR: “I don’t disagree with that.”

    WTF??? What kind of troll are you??

  54. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:14 pm

    That is why Islamic societies are among the most primitive and backwards on the planet.

    You don’t think picking the wrong side in the First World War had much to do with that?

    The Ottoman Empire was, for centuries, the center of enlightenment and “liberal” values.

    In the end it is a really simple question does Milan become Mogadishu or does Mogadishu become Milan.

    Or “simply” Milanadishu?

  55. November 17, 2015 2:17 pm

    squirter @November 17, 2015 1:50 pm,,,,,,ya`whole rants wrong, if ya`actually had some `knowledge` about the world, say on an object like a surgical `rib-spreader` and various other surgical tools, ya`would then understand that teh-west didn`t invent them in the 17+1800`s, but re-invented them, archeology `knows` these surgical-tools were invented centuries `before` teh-crusades, as the have been found in grave-goods.

  56. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:27 pm

    hat kind of troll are you

    Perhaps just not one that sees everything in black and white, us and them?

    Perhaps

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:37 pm

    …The cultural values of Western civilisation are clearly superior to the cultural values in Islamic societies. That is why Islamic societies are among the most primitive and backwards on the planet…

    So that means we are the deciders and western values must be imposed by force upon everyone else?

    Let’s hope Russia and China don’t have a problem with converting to our superior western values, they are not such easy targets and they have some scary nuculars, or will we leave their unwestern civilisations alone? 😉

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:39 pm

    AO _ I think we are fast getting there

    I agree with that. We are becoming less tolerant, more demanding, angrier….and violence becomes part of the culture in an angrier society. But we aren’t where the ME is.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:40 pm

    On what basis do you call anyone else a nutjob?

    My superior belief 😆

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:48 pm

    Got any recent examples, Retardland?

  61. November 17, 2015 2:50 pm

    m,,,,,,,,,,On what basis do you call anyone else a nutjob?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    THE EVIDENCE

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 2:52 pm

    “So that means we are the deciders and western values must be imposed by force upon everyone else?”

    In a sense it is a dead issue. The West cannot survive if for no other reason than it doesn’t even reproduce.

    However, until then we should think about whether we join the battle of ideas and contest the vile Islamist ideology or just learn the Shahada. After all, Islam means submission. No false advertising there.

  63. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:02 pm

    Islam means submission ………… to the will of God

    Just for clarities sake 😉

    I still find it amazing that in a short century, a Caliphate went from the most benign and open rule of law to what we see in Syria etal now.

    But, I’m sure it’s all because Arabs are hot tempered and their religion is demanding. That must be it.

    Unlike ‘Mericans hey 😉

  64. November 17, 2015 3:04 pm

    Recent examples squirter, how about qandaland last night, you know, the show that shows the nations the combined intelligence of canberra is that of a house brick (apologies to all house bricks)

    and the talking-heads from both teams discussed the type govts `they` wanted to install and remove in `other` peoples countries, they all maintained their delusion they could `actually` eventually do it, and maintained the arrogance that they `should` do it

    it was a spectacular display of both teams `not-learning` from history `and` their own mistakes, the same old shit that every other failure is based on

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:12 pm

    “Islam means submission ………… to the will of God”

    And death to apostates, blasphemers and infidels.

    Just for clarities sake 🙂

    I’m sure the fact that the murderous Islamsists reference their every atrocity to a precedent of their Prophet is due entirely to evil Western colonialism. I mean what good is a Caliphate if you have to pay extortionate amounts for 10 year old sex slaves?

  66. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:23 pm

    Just for clarities sake

    Well, that is the interpretation of the extremists. It has not been so for centuries.

    Historically, Islam has been one of the most open and benevolent of the religions, allowing Christians and Jews (and any other religion) to continue with their own beliefs and traditions within and under their rule

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:23 pm

    Retardland, I didn’t think you had recent examples of Islamic achievement outside IEDs, underpants bombs, and the revival of sex slavery. I don’t need to watch Q&A when there are so many bukkake movies about.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:28 pm

    “Historically, Islam has been one of the most open and benevolent of the religions, allowing Christians and Jews (and any other religion) to continue with their own beliefs and traditions within and under their rule” in some times and usually as Dhimmis.

    In other times Islam has been brutally murderous. The conquest of India was particularly vicious. The jihadist strand of Islam has always been around. It was there at the beginning. More to the point it is with us still and threatening to complete the job Mo started – having the entire planet submit to it.

  69. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:37 pm

    In other times Islam has been brutally murderous.

    I’m sure history will look back at the Wests current involvement in the middle East with similar dispassion

  70. November 17, 2015 3:49 pm

    squirter,,,,,,,,,,,History is history` means it happened and we should acknowledge that,,,,,,,,,

    #the last two replies are `categorized` as above, NOT as `islam-achivment`

    NOT,,,,,,,,,,,I didn`t think you had recent examples of Islamic achievement outside,,,,,,,,,,,

    #btw, your squirting and `achievement`demanding` fits-in with my `arrogance` and `not-learning` points above

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:52 pm

    Yeah – Obama and Kerry, what a team – Libya, Egypt, Syria, a deal to let Iran have nukes and creating the Jayvee Team by cutting and running early.

  72. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:53 pm

    “You don’t think picking the wrong side in the First World War had much to do with that?”

    So please explain Saudi Arabia then………….or Egypt…………..how about Afghanistan…….?

  73. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:54 pm

    “I’m sure history will look back at the Wests current involvement in the middle East with similar dispassion”

    Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 3:58 pm

    Retardland the real problem is that the left and the jihadis have the same agenda – they both hate the West with a passion. That is why the standard leftist line is fuck-headed moral equivalence. The reason leftists don’t get completely on board with the jihadis is that the dickless wonders couldn’t satisfy four wives much less deal with the sex slaves taken in battle.

  75. November 17, 2015 4:03 pm

    Might l remind you teh-west were meddling well before 911ny

  76. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 4:06 pm

    “Might l remind you teh-west were meddling well before 911ny”

    Yes and they “meddled” in SE Asia and South America but we don’t see the chaos that Islam engenders

  77. November 17, 2015 4:27 pm

    squirter,,,,,the real problem is that,,,,,low-iq, easily frightened teabags read too-much blot-like garbage without the brain-power to research different info and consider sensible alternate points of view, so they become stuck squirting nonsense, trying to align non-related things that have no relationship, or arguing one mythical creature is better than another mythical creature. All the while overlooking that the idiots in charge keep doing the same series of stupid thing and expect a different result, and it doesn`t matter `which` team is in charge, there is little difference between them.

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 4:28 pm

    Walrus, you are too hard on Islam. There have been only 27, 287 Islamically inspired terror attacks since 9/11. Nothing to worry about. It really is a very peaceful religion. Besides, who can blame them for wanting to destroy the West. The West is completely fucked anyway. Just ask any leftist.

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 4:32 pm

    It really doesn’t matter which team is in charge, Retardland. They are not going to discuss the really bad ideas that make Islam so fucked up. Anybody who even suggests that will be completely vilified by the jeer squad.

  80. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 4:37 pm

    “The West is completely fucked anyway. Just ask any leftist.”

    Yep……the self flagellating Left

  81. November 17, 2015 5:13 pm

    squirter,,,,,,,,,,,,Anybody who even suggests that will be completely vilified by the jeer squad,,,,,,,,,,

    #coz ya`sound like a westbro-crank

    squirter,,,,,,,discuss the really bad ideas that make Islam,,,,,,

    #you think they should waste their time not-learning from the study of sky-fairy fiction, AND ignore learning from history, don`t worry, they`ll probably do that .. #doomed to repeat

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 5:41 pm

    “It has not been so for centuries.”

    Wrong again. The violent crackpot Wahhabis (that the Saudis spend billions propagating around the world including Australia) got going in the mid 1700s and have been around ever since.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 5:57 pm

    Retardland, why are you so scared of an open discussion of the putrid teachings which are used to harm millions of people? Just holding up your end of the leftist/islamofascist alliance?

  84. November 17, 2015 6:22 pm

    squirter,,,,,,your end of the leftist/islamofascist,,,,,,,

    #ya`not paying attention, if ya`did, you would realize l`m neither a `leftist`, a `fascist`, nor any member of a dog-club or `team`

    squirter,,,,,why are you so scared,,,,,,

    #not scared, you`re the one peddling the islam-panic

    squirter,,,,,,open discussion,,,,,,,

    #you`re not having `discussion`, but peddling infantile westbro style, blot-like, islam-panic that only appeals to certain teabag-herds

  85. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2015 6:37 pm

    What a lovely couple. He is just dark enough to be embraced by the inner city Lefties to assuage their white man guilt and she’s just chic enough to be seen in the Toorak Woolies.

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2015 7:02 pm

    Retardland, “not scared” – just don’t want to talk about the nasty shit, eh?

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 7:23 pm

    Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

    Interested in your point, Wally?

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 7:39 pm

    The ASX got over the Parisienne massacres pretty quickly …

    http://www.google.com/finance?cid=10584617

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 7:56 pm

    James Ashby: AFP search former political staffer’s parents’ home, warrant names Brough, Pyne, Wyatt Roy
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/police-search-ex-political-staffer-james-ashby-parents-home/6947684

  90. November 17, 2015 8:12 pm

    Where is my teabag? l`m going to give him a sound thrashing once the reportland transcript goes up:-)

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 8:32 pm

    James Ashby: AFP search former political staffer’s parents’ home, warrant names Brough, Pyne, Wyatt Roy

    What a lovely trio!

    And Shorten wants to introduce 16 year olds into parliament? What fkn joke …

    Wyatt Roy was elected at 18 and astoundingly relected … he is, as far as I know, now 23 …

    In fact if Labor make voting for 16 yo a platform … I will not be voting for them … what a childish concept …

    And for the uninformed (many people around the world pop in here I see) … the reason that the voting age was taken to 18 from 21 in Australia has its roots in the Vietnam War (or as they call it in Vietnam, The American War) … National Servicemen had to register when they turned 20 … drinking age was 21, voting age was 21 … but the country could send you off to be killed at 20 …

    There is no reason to have children who have not even finished high school voting in a political election …

  92. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2015 8:44 pm

    So please explain Saudi Arabia then…………

    It’s all or nothing with you, isn’t it. WW1 was just another example of Western interference, granted, a fairly major one, but not the only one.

    Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

    Might I remind you that Western interference has occured long before 2003

    but we don’t see the chaos that Islam engenders

    but we don’t see the chaos that realms of oil can produce (add in a volatile people, a volatile religion, and stir)

    … what a childish concept …

    I see what you did there 😉

    There is no reason to have children who have not even finished high school voting in a political election …

    There are currently adults who have not even finished high school voting in a political election …

    #justsayin

  93. November 17, 2015 9:51 pm

    Hello you lovely people……….. 🙂

  94. November 17, 2015 10:01 pm

    tb,,,,,,voting for 16 yo a platform,,,,,,,

    #it smacks of desperation on blib`s part and will only piss-off most of the `young` if it is `mandatory`, just like it pisses-off most of the rest of us

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:04 pm

    Hello to you too

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2015 10:56 pm

    James Ashby: AFP search former political staffer’s parents’ home, warrant names Brough, Pyne, Wyatt Roy

    It’s taken PC Plod a couple of years to act on the Ashby scandal [deliberate] he would have to be a gold class idiot if they found any evidence in his possession!

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2015 11:16 pm

    There are currently adults who have not even finished high school voting in a political election …

    So You agree with Little Billy’s conception then? (You probably saw what I did with that – twice, TR) 😉

    G’day to U2, mr sreb … 🙂

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:41 am

    Hello you lovely people……….. 🙂

    Hellooo reb, you sound like you’re in a good mood!

    Sunny side of the street?

  99. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 7:51 am

    Nice, don’t say g’day to me then reb 😦

    So You agree with Little Billy’s conception then?

    I don’t disagree with it. I think there are bigger questions to be asked, but I see nothing wrong with inviting younger people to vote. I know my kids were actually quite invested whilst at school, as they often had discussions about current events, but once they left school, they lost interest, and then were asked to vote.

    The idea has merit. But I’d prefer he stuck with the bigger ideas for now. Like, what are we doing for jobs now that fossil fuels appear to be on their way out, and manufacturing has been brutalised by the libs?

    And what is our response to Extremist Terrorists (dDeath Cults in a darker time)

  100. November 18, 2015 8:38 am

    Hello – I went to bed after that sorry.

  101. November 18, 2015 8:40 am

    This morning I listened to Radio National on the way to work. Normally I don’t bother coz I can’t stand Fran Kelly, but today she had Jacqui Lambie on the show which was just comedy gold!

    Jacqui Lambie just suggested that that “bloody Grand Mufti” (as she called him) should be forced to wear an electronic tagging device, so that we can “keep tabs on him and see what he’s up to.”

    I think I’ll have to tune in more often.,..

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2015 9:51 am

    I’m sick of the Bolt line, I think he’s lost the plot. Continuing to attack Waleed Aly, and anyone who tries any nuance.

    …and does he think Abbott is going to make a comeback? Abbott was a hard edged attack dog, the electorate is tired of that. Bolt needs to get over it.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:04 am

    Bolt needs to get over it.A Goodes talk with Adam might help? 🙂

  104. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:10 am

    “…..but we don’t see the chaos that realms of oil can produce (add in a volatile people, a volatile religion, and stir)……..”

    Sp please exlain this then…………

    http://www.news.com.au/world/africa/a-bomb-blast-has-ripped-through-a-crowded-nigerian-market-with-boko-haram-suspected-of-the-deadly-attack/news-story/695b464feafc92a3327f83838b0c3687

  105. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:15 am

    “Sp” = So

    Not to be confused with Splatter

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:15 am

    …and does he think Abbott is going to make a comeback? Abbott was a hard edged attack dog, the electorate is tired of that. Bolt needs to get over it.

    Some were thinking that abbott has been doing a lot of playing while malcolm’s been away.

    Why is Tony Abbott making so many media appearances while Malcolm Turnbull is away?
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/why-is-tony-abbott-making-so-many-media-appearances-while-malcolm-turnbull-is-away-20151117-gl0wo4.html#ixzz3rnGB2Ugf

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:21 am

    Reprise …

    Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

    Interested in your point, Wally?

  108. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:35 am

    Reprisal……..

    “I’m sure history will look back at the Wests current involvement in the middle East with similar dispassion”

    Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

  109. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:36 am

    Reprisal #2

    “Might l remind you teh-west were meddling well before 911ny”

    Yes and they “meddled” in SE Asia and South America but we don’t see the chaos that Islam engenders

  110. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:37 am

    Reprisal#3

    “…..but we don’t see the chaos that realms of oil can produce (add in a volatile people, a volatile religion, and stir)……..”

    Sp please exlain this then…………

    http://www.news.com.au/world/africa/a-bomb-blast-has-ripped-through-a-crowded-nigerian-market-with-boko-haram-suspected-of-the-deadly-attack/news-story/695b464feafc92a3327f83838b0c3687

  111. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 10:37 am

    Bugger Sp = So……….not Splatter

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:24 am

    Let me try again … yesterday …

    You wrote … Might I remind you that 9/11 occurred before 2003

    I wrote: Interested in your point, Wally?

    The reason I asked, is that we went off and spent lots of treasure and blood in Afghanistan over 12 long years … for no real return on investment …

    Why didn’t we hit Saudi Arabia … 15 of the 19 responsible for the murder of 3000 people in the Twin Towers were … Saudis?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes and they “meddled” in SE Asia and South America but we don’t see the chaos that Islam engenders

    So what are you saying … we actually lost the war in VN … when we INVADED the country and got involved in a civil war …

    We are now involved in the worst kind of civil war – a religious civil war – and are paying the price … as we did in VN … SA seems so much better after the US interfered there too …

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:52 am

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:54 am

    Central and South America have been the playground of the US military for a couple of centuries, and there is plenty of anti American sentiment, for good reason.

    But there are no Ecuadorians or Venezuelans donning suicide vests and visiting the US.

    The violent anti western sentiment of the middle east is significantly cultural, and due to far more than an objection to meddling.

  115. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:55 am

    Sp please exlain this then…………

    Yea, because it’s not like Nigerians are exploited for their resources either is it?

    but we don’t see the chaos that Islam engenders

    See back to my comment about ‘stirring’ it all in together.

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 11:57 am

  117. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:01 pm

    “So what are you saying … ”

    Islam is not a religion of peace. And it never will be since at its purest it is against freedoms as we know them. Just as Christianity wasn’t until it hit the enlightenment and in some instance still is not.

    But Christianity does not have a fucking army of mad men (and women for that matter) wanting to march on the West and kill us all.

    ISIS cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with ( in fact NSW Police Force policy is now to shoot first) so we just need to bite the bullet and get on with wholesale extermination of them no questions asked.

    However I’m not too keen on having any sort of force where the USA and Russkies are fighting side by side. Too much chance of error/misunderstanding there.

    Having said that we also need to win the philosophical war as well and discredit extreme Islam

  118. November 18, 2015 12:11 pm

    “”we just need to bite the bullet and get on with wholesale extermination of them no questions asked.””

    😯

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:19 pm

    “”we just need to bite the bullet and get on with wholesale extermination of them no questions asked.””

    This doesn’t quite support your case about why ‘teh west’ or christians are better than them.

  120. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:28 pm

    But there are no Ecuadorians or Venezuelans donning suicide vests and visiting the US.

    But there isn’t a lack of violence there either. they just haven’t branched out yet (to my knowledge). And, the presence of foreign forces is nothing in comparison. Plus the other variables highlighted earlier

  121. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:31 pm

    “…………they just haven’t branched out yet (to my knowledge)”

    So……….putting it simply for you …………you really cannot explain why the ME is worse than any other former colonial continents can you ?

    But there is one difference……………Islam

  122. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:36 pm

    “This doesn’t quite support your case about why ‘teh west’ ……….. are better than them.”

    In their case you have to play by their rules. Afterall…….they set the rules.

    “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
    ― Winston S. Churchill

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:37 pm

    But Christianity does not have a fucking army of mad men (and women for that matter) wanting to march on the West and kill us all.

    That’s because they are already here.

    antifa notes (nov 10, 2015) : #UnitedPatriotsFront and moar …
    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=39212

    1) Chris Shortis : “It’s in Revelations, people!”
    …United Patriots Front (UPF) leader Chris Shortis appears in an article in The Age, which details his rather bizarre religious and political convictions: Gun-toting anti-Muslim ‘crusader’ at lead of United Patriots Front (Luke McMahon, The Age, November 7, 2015). Dr Chloe Patton states: “Here we have an individual who is clearly radicalised, who is brandishing firearms while preaching holy war. The intricate conspiracy theories and crusader symbolism immediately brings to mind Anders Breivik“. The Daily Mail also features Shortis in ‘We should be doing it with absolute brutality’: Outrage at new leader of anti-Islam group’s online rant calling for Muslims to be wiped out ‘like the Japanese in WWII’ (Leith Huffadine and Nelson Groom for Daily Mail Australia, November 8) while Channel Ten aired a segment about Shortis and the UPF on November 8…

    5) Kriso Richardson : UPF + CFMEU

  124. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:38 pm

    ISIS cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with

    Has anyone tried?

  125. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 12:45 pm

    “Has anyone tried?”

    Me and Splatter would be quite happy to chip in together for an air-ticket to Raqqa in Syria to see how you go.

    We’ll scan UTube to see what results

  126. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:02 pm

    I tell ya what………I’ll throw in an orange jumpsuit so you will look the part

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:11 pm

    In their case you have to play by their rules. Afterall…….they set the rules.

    That makes you the same, you can’t say we are good and they are evil, it looks the same to the people caught in the middle eg innocent victims here and over there it’s ‘baddy vs baddy’ [where have I heard that before 😉 ]

  128. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:13 pm

    you really cannot explain why the ME is worse than any other former colonial continents can you ?

    Apart from the points I listed including but not entirely restricted to

    *Prolonged exploitation and brutality by foreign powers
    *A volatile peoples
    *A volatile Religion

    You mean APART from that?

  129. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:17 pm

    “You mean APART from that?”

    So bags packed then…………………….?

    Dont pack a hat………………you wont need one

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:21 pm

    Has anyone tried?

    Pretty sure diplomacy is the last option thought of but never acted upon.

  131. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:35 pm

    Me and Splatter would be quite happy to chip in together for an air-ticket

    So, I’ll take that as a ‘no’ then 😉

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:38 pm

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb makes some good points about the Saudis. Also he seems to be aware of the commenting style of some folks here:

    Beware the usual ISIL crypto-sympathiser who sort of “explains” (that is, justifies) what happened (the intentional targeting of civilians) with some other Western event that can hark all the way to the Crusades … Otherwise it is presented as “biased” … For them, you cannot condemn ISIL without at the same time trying to be “balanced” … This is the technique of bundling together problems that should be treated independently, and you need to learn to deal with such people by forcing them to discuss the problem of ISIL on its own.

  133. November 18, 2015 1:38 pm

    So where is my teabag hiding?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4354198.htm

    Come-out, Come-out, where ever you are, and bring ya`KY-gel.

    YAAAAAAAAY.BOARDROOMS

  134. November 18, 2015 1:46 pm

    WE.BOUGHT.SAME.BRIDGE.TWICE

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,HAYDEN COOPER: Cullen Steel was recently called in to repair a bridge project at Penrith in Sydney’s west. Built in Vietnam, the structure was full of defects and bending dangerously.

    RON BARRINGTON: The bridge had a design deflection of about 100 millimetres. It actually deflected about 600 millimetres. Welds started failing, materials started failing and the bridge was on the verge of collapse.

    We removed the bridge, cut it up and we rebuilt the bridge from scratch.,,,,,,,,,

    #YAAAAAY.ECONOMIC.RESPONIBILITY .. #YAAAY.FREE.TRADE .. #YAAY.BOARDROOMS

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2015 1:49 pm

    *A volatile peoples
    *A volatile Religion

    Those are the points differentiate the middle east from Central & South America and dispossessed indigenous people around the globe

  136. November 18, 2015 2:00 pm

    MY.ABC,,,,,,,,,,,,,GEOFF CRITTENDEN: If the Harbour Bridge had been built of imported steel, to the standard of the product coming into Australia at the moment and built in the way it was, I don’t think it would be standing at the moment.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #YAAAAAY.BOARDROOMS .. .. #YAAAAY.FREE.TRADE

  137. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:04 pm

    “This is the technique of bundling together problems that should be treated independently, and you need to learn to deal with such people by forcing them to discuss the problem of ISIL on its own.”

    Yep……………hence its all our fault

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:20 pm

    I’ll help fund Tom’s ticket, Walrus. I respect those who have the courage of their convictions. Even if their purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

  139. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:21 pm

    Those are the points differentiate the middle east from Central & South America

    You forgot the “*Prolonged exploitation and brutality by foreign powers”. Was that deliberate?

    This is the technique of bundling together problems that should be treated independently, and you need to learn to deal with such people by forcing them to discuss the problem of ISIL on its own

    BUT, the “problem of ISIL” is not of it’s own. In fact, as has been discussed more broadly elswhere, it is most likely the direct response to the coalition of the wankers response to a previous terrorist attack.

    Compartmentalising a comples issue is the tactic of those ill prepared or too prepared for what they might discover

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:33 pm

    You forgot the “*Prolonged exploitation and brutality by foreign powers”. Was that deliberate?

    Yes, because I don’t consider that to be a differentiator. Central & South America have had similar experience, without suicide vests.

    Australia’s indigenous population have probably suffered more exploitation and brutality, without resorting to terrorism.

    The other two points are differentiators.

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:36 pm

    hence its all our fault

    Only if you ignore the points that yomm didn’t ignore. Funny that.

    I’ll help fund Tom’s ticket, Walrus.

    So trapped in yesterdays conventions of “us and them”, you probably missed a little thing called the internets.

  142. November 18, 2015 2:46 pm

    MY.ABC,,,,,,,,,,HAYDEN COOPER: It’s not the only example. A two-hour drive south of Perth, the picturesque town of Busselton has been grappling with the same

    safety concern: three bridges, prefabricated in China, with serious defects.

    (James England stands on bridge as it vibrates. The railing rattles rhythmically)

    JAMES ENGLAND, AUSTRALIAN STEEL INSTITUTE: The whole bridge is shaking. You can feel the structure itself vibrating.

    HAYDEN COOPER: Poor welding and rust are evident on the bridges: a potential risk to those who use them.,,,,,,,,,,,

    #BUT,BUT,BUT .. #TEH.CMFU2 .. #ONION.PANIC .. #RED.TAPE .. #YAAAAAY.BOARDROOMS

  143. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 2:48 pm

    Central & South America have had similar experience, without suicide vests.

    Nowhere to the same degree, and, let’s not forget, they also have their fair share of political violence. Have a look at what goes on in Mexico (mainly because of the drug trade)

    Then, mix in those other points I mentioned.

    I’m not saying that the middle east are not responsible at all, they bare a huge part of the blame.

    But lets not kid ourselves that we (ie the West) have not had any part in this either.

    Shall we get down to measuring percentages, or just accept our role, and try to move on from there?

    Or do we take the view as some here do that, we can do what we want, and it is all everybody elses fault for not coping with it.

  144. November 18, 2015 3:06 pm

    Once again boo-of-melb has been completely WRONG in his anti-worker, anti-onion, anti-safety stance. Only a total dumb-fcuk thinks it`s `cheaper` to import sub-standard bridges which will rapidly need to be replaced with new bridges that meet standard. Watch as he repeats his same stupidity over the nbn.

    #yaaaay.teabags

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:11 pm

    “Then, mix in those other points I mentioned.

    I’m not saying that the middle east are not responsible at all, they bare a huge part of the blame.

    But lets not kid ourselves that we (ie the West) have not had any part in this either.

    Shall we get down to measuring percentages, or just accept our role, and try to move on from there?

    Or do we take the view as some here do that, we can do what we want, and it is all everybody elses fault for not coping with it.”

    WGAF – the war has already started. This is no longer about cause or fault. Unless of course you are still trying to work out whose side you are on.

    If you take the view of that highly intelligent and wonderfully nuanced Wally, Ali, then it is really very straightforward – ISIS is extremely weak and will be quickly crushed on the battle field. Simple really, no?

  146. November 18, 2015 3:14 pm

    “”This is no longer about cause or fault. Unless of course you are still trying to work out whose side you are on.””

    True.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:22 pm

    ISIS cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with ( in fact NSW Police Force policy is now to shoot first) so we just need to bite the bullet and get on with wholesale extermination of them no questions asked.

    What bothers me is that someone thinks that religious “genocide” is “the” answer … rings a bell somewhere around the early 1940’s …

    Just who is going to “bite the bullet” … it never seems to be the people making the call …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you take the view of that highly intelligent and wonderfully nuanced Wally, Ali, then it is really very straightforward – ISIS is extremely weak and will be quickly crushed on the battle field. Simple really, no?

    No its not simple … it will draw others to the “cause” and escalate into a war between believers and non-believers … this has to be fought Muslim to Muslim …

    If you believe that all Muslims are ISIL … then you are as indoctrinated as they are …

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:23 pm

    … wonderfully nuanced Wally, Ali, …

    A bit confusing there, sb …

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:29 pm

    TB, Waleed Ali argued that really Islamic State is very weak. He said: “ISIL don’t want you to know they would quickly be crushed if they ever faced a proper Army on a battlefield.”

  150. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:34 pm

    I suppose Foreign Powers are also responsible for this TomR……….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319420/Iraq-mass-grave-uncovered-containing-bodies-78-elderly-women-killed-ISIS.html

    And I suppose the Beirut bombing was also our fault

  151. November 18, 2015 3:35 pm

    crittenden is not a knowledge-free dumb-fcuk like boo-of-melb, but actually knows what he`s talking about,

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cheap raw and fabricated Chinese product floods the market.

    But the Australian Steel Institute and the Welding Technology Institute of Australia say some of the fabricated steel entering the country has serious quality defects.

    `We’ve seen some examples of that and it’s quite dangerous,` Welding Institute chief executive Geoff Crittenden told,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-steel/6949506

    #yaaaaaay.free.trade

  152. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:36 pm

    I don’t believe all Muslims support Islamic State. In fact I know quite a few who do not.

    But there is a war between believers and some other believers, both of whom have it in for the unbelievers Eventually the unbelievers might actually realise they are being attacked and they have to do more than merely mouth empty threats like Hollande’s promise of “pitiless war”. The only thing less scary would be an ultimatum from Barak Obama delivered by John Kerry!

  153. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:36 pm

    Why is there a complete gibberer talking about Bridges ?

  154. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 3:38 pm

    “I’m not saying that the middle east are not responsible at all, they bare a huge part of the blame.”

    Perhaps you’d like to tell the Mufti that.

    Why not drop in on the way to the Airport

    I’ll get your Uber on its way

  155. November 18, 2015 3:51 pm

    yes troops, l agree with your 3-prong approach,

    1.deny all history and errors made, ever,

    2.fill the `public-space` with free-hate-speech to maintain control at home,

    3.kill by drone-bomb in other lands the relatives of `some` citizens

    #sure.it.will.work

  156. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 4:09 pm

    This is no longer about cause or fault.

    It has never been, and that is the problem. And that happens when it is always “Us and Them”

    I’m not trying to work out “whose side I’m on”, as inflammatory and predictable a statement as that is.

    I’m trying to see if there is another solution rather than the time honored “Kill ’em All”

    Of course, if you don’t really want any other solution, then let lose the dogs of war. After all, it’s always good for the economy (well, those at the top end of the economy anyway 😉 )

    Why not drop in on the way to the Airport

    Ahh, still resorting to ignorance. At least there’s one constant with your rhetoric 🙂

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 4:25 pm

    I don’t want to “Kill ’em all”, as inflammatory and predictable a statement as that is.

    I suggest we deal with the violence and threats. But more importantly we need an honest discussion about Islam. Unfortunately that is not going to be straightforward because many Official Muslims and Muslim Organisations would prefer to see Australia governed by Sharia Law.

  158. November 18, 2015 4:33 pm

    While it is no surprise boo-of-melb has fled the field, unable to defend near-all previous comments he has ever made, l did think the so-called accountant would have had the nads to blubber one way or the other on the `govts-cost-benefit-analysis` and `govts-return-on-investment` when compared to `govts-free-trade` and associated `govts-risk-management` and `govts-civil/infrastructure-planning` around said `bridges`.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 4:38 pm

    TB, Waleed Ali argued that really Islamic State is very weak. He said:

    Yep, know that, sb … my link is near the top of the thread … but – … nuanced Wally, Ali … on TGT is a bit confusing … know wot I mean? 😉

  160. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 4:51 pm

    “l did think the so-called accountant would have had the nads to blubber one way or the other……….”

    Perhaps there is no problem………..

    http://www.busseltonmail.com.au/story/3307007/bridge-safety-fears-in-the-city-of-busselton/

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2015 5:12 pm

    Nothing has changed except the smiley face at the front …

    The Turnbull government is pushing ahead with Tony Abbott’s controversial “lawfare’ changes to remove the legal standing of conservation groups to mount environmental court cases, with a Senate committee dominated by Coalition members recommending they proceed without holding any public hearings.

    Farm groups furious at Coalition move to restrict environmental challenges

    Labor accused the government of using its numbers to cancel public hearings and bring forward the report, and said it proved the “radical right” of the Liberal party still called the shots, despite the change of prime minister to Malcolm Turnbull.

    After Turnbull took over, the government’s rhetoric against the alleged legal “sabotage” by green groups appeared to cool, and the committee considering the proposed legislation deferred its reporting date until February.

    But on Wednesday it unexpectedly issued a report, with Coalition senators recommending the bill be passed. Both Labor and Green senators said the bill should be rejected, leaving its fate in the hands of the crossbench.

  162. November 18, 2015 5:27 pm

    blubbers,,,,,,,Perhaps there is no problem,,,,,,,,

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,We removed the bridge, cut it up and we rebuilt the bridge from scratch,,,,,,,,,,

    #oh.obviously #accounting.expertise

  163. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 6:05 pm

    “We removed the bridge, cut it up and we rebuilt the bridge from scratch…”

    Really……..?

    I cant find any evidence of that.

    How about a link to another source other than someone who is not exactly independent

  164. November 18, 2015 6:11 pm

    For `our` chronically stupid teabags,

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,RON BARRINGTON: It’s never been this bad, no.

    When we are forced to compete against countries that are only paying $1.30 an hour,

    it doesn’t matter how efficient `we` are and how inefficient they are:

    pricewise `we` can’t compete, so `we` lose.,,,,,,,,,,,,

    HINT, `we` = australia

    #YAAAAAAAAY.FREE.TRADE .. .. #WHERE.ARE.MY.TEABAGS.HIDING

  165. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2015 6:19 pm

    I suggest we deal with the violence and threats.

    I AGREE!

    AND

    But more importantly we need an honest discussion about Islam.

    I AGREE!

    BUTT!

    Australia governed by Sharia Law.

    Well, that didn’t last long, did it?

    How do we have an honest discussion, let’s see, Step One in the battle of ideas is to kick the dumb leftists to the floor

    Gotcha 😉

    Or, we can look at all the variables, and come to a conclusion from that.

    The unfortunate reality is, WE (‘teh’ West) IS one of those variables.

  166. November 18, 2015 6:27 pm

    b,,,,How about a link,,,,

    #how about ya`learn where ya`page-up key is

    b,,,,,to another source other than someone who is not exactly independent,,,,,

    #l`m reasonably `certain` that reportland and my-abc are not involved in some kind of `bridge` swindle

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4354198.htm

  167. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 6:30 pm

    “…….#how about ya`learn where ya`page-up key is ………”

    So you have nothing but an allegation from a vested interest interviewed by the ABC………….LOL

  168. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2015 6:38 pm

    “…….l`m reasonably `certain` that reportland and my-abc are not involved in some kind of `bridge` swindle ………..”

    I’m sure that’s the case. You two (i.e. Boo) being the same person and all

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 18, 2015 6:41 pm

    The dumb leftists are the ones who won’t even say the word Islam, much less discuss in detail how people interpret it and act on those interpretations. They are the ones assuring us that the latest atrocity, whatever it is, has nothing to do with Islam. They are too dishonest and stupid to be worth shitting on. They are certainly have nothing to add to an honest discussion about Islam.

    It is easy enough to work out the links of the Mufti of Australia with the Muslim Brotherhood. I’ve set them out here before. In that case the Mufti should be excluded from all discussion with our elected representatives. There are Muslim groups which do have a view of Islam consistent with Western democracy. They are abused and shunned by the Official Muslims. The government should be talking to them, not to Muslim Brotherhood types.

  170. November 18, 2015 6:47 pm

    They`re never as good as ,,,,,nothing but an allegation from a vested interest interviewed by,,,,, limited.news

  171. November 18, 2015 7:03 pm

    l guess teh accountant doesn`t believe the $43-mill-fifa-cash-bonfire happened either, because frank-lowy reported it on my abc

    #up.in.smoke

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 18, 2015 7:25 pm

    I found this comment amusing. Not sure where it came from

    It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

    It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:

  173. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 7:55 am

    They are the ones assuring us that the latest atrocity, whatever it is, has nothing to do with Islam.

    WOOHOO

    splatteredarse doesn’t think I’m a dumb ‘leftist’

    They are abused and shunned by the Official Muslims.

    Perhaps you’d like to “lay that out” for us here, as I was under the impression that not only the vast majority but also those you might refer to as “Official Muslims” integrate with Western culture quite successfully.

    But, I think I’m beginning to see where the idea of an “honest discussion about Islam” mayhap took root. Is splatteredarse worshipping at the festering alter of planet janet perchance?

    Sadly the pond seems to have drifted away from the stated aim of discussing terrorism intelligently, but if Dame Slap is setting the standard for intelligent discussion, perhaps that’s just as well …

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/a-godwins-law-swear-jar-fine-small.html#.VkzjfOIcH-s

    Just beautiful 🙂

  174. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 8:20 am

    lolz

    Obama gives yabot and morriscum (and a few other random commentators) a bitch slap from across the Pacific, and he wasn’t even referring to them.

  175. Walrus permalink
    November 19, 2015 8:51 am

    “Obama gives yabot and morriscum (and a few other random commentators) a bitch slap from across the Pacific,………..”

    Seriously……………..who fucking cares what he says.

    Piss weak President……..perhaps the worst since WW2. Even Nixon for all his criminality was better on the Foreign stage and even Carter had a bit more backbone than Obama who is simply just full of bluster and towering speeches but just delivers fuck all.

    He’s a President who could well have been elected from the Surry Hills/Balmain hipsters.

  176. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 9:00 am

    Seriously……………..who fucking cares what he says.

    People who aren’t dickheads I’m guessing 😉

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 19, 2015 9:48 am

    What a dumb-fuck Obama is. First he helped create Islamic State by cutting and running too early. Then he ignored them, saying the were merely the “Jayvee Team”. Then on the day of the most recent Paris massacre he told the world he had them “contained”.

    And notice the slithering lies in his most recent statement: The issue isn’t whether Christians are “more worthy” but whether they are more in need and whether they will be better protected and better integrated in a Western country.

    And then he speaks of fear of widows and orphans, knowing full well that 75% of the “refugees” are unaccompanied young men.

    Such a liar the term “dog-fucking leftist” is entirely appropriate for Obama. No wonder Tom R loves him, woof!

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:06 am

    …and it wasn’t one of Australia’s dispossessed indigenous people that shot a police employee in Parramatta, or took hostages in Martin Place.

    If any group in the entire world has a legitimate reason to feel resentful about western culture, it’s the original people within Australia.

    Violent nutcases take their comfort from the words of the Koran.

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:06 am

    First he helped create Islamic State by cutting and running too early.

    You mean, by leaving a failed war at the same time the madman who started it.

    Trying to blame Obama (or anybody else who came after the coalition of the fuckwits) for what we have now is really highlighting Dorothy’s point, isn’t it!

    And further proof that, no matter how much you bleat about it, you are incapable of having an “honest discussion”

    (Dorothy being the author over at LoonPond.)

  180. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:09 am

    And brandis doubles down on the stupid. Yea, that’s right fool, give the terrorists exactly what they (and you) want

    Is it passing strange that the terrorists were using a technology remarkably similar to one espoused not so long ago by malcayman for those worried about their privacy?

    Fucken numbnuts!

    Violent nutcases take their comfort from the words of the Koran.

    Or the bible. Or Heavy Metal Lyrics! ffs

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:21 am

    Loon Pond sounds about right.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:35 am

    And further proof that, no matter how much you bleat about it, you are incapable of having an “honest discussion”

    I’m inclined to agree … the shrillness denotes a certain affiliation to the arch enemies of Islam … and I really would like to know who “dumb leftists” are and why only “rightists” (apparently) know how to really fight wars …

    Personally I thought 10 years in Vietnam was a fkn disgrace … now it seems 12 years in Afghanistan wasn’t enough … WWII “only” lasted 6 years!

    Perhaps we do need a National Service Act … but let’s be “choosy” again (not just a few 20 yo) …what about all 18 – 20 yo who’ve graduated from religious schools … they should be well indoctrinated by then … and their parents would support them to taking on ISIL, surely?

    I too have difficulty discussing the subject of radical Islamist with screaming, right wing, christians.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On another note … one of my family has a birthday today and expressed a wish that she would have liked to taken today off work … she hasn’t (still locked into that silly concept of employee loyalty) … however … my point …

    For many years now I have suggested we delete the Queen’s Birthday* from the public holiday list and allow people to have their own birthday instead … for once society gains and so does the economy … 🙂

    *Even the Pommies don’t have a public holiday for the queen … and she was born on April 21 (Hitler was born on April 20) 🙂

  183. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:36 am

    Loon Pond sounds about right.

    Yes, it describes the oz perfectly. I’m sure Dorothy will be glad you agree 😉

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:39 am

    Fucken numbnuts!

    That about sums it up … after two years tho’ you should know what to expect … the black uniforms all state cops now seem to be adopting is a noice touch tho’, very Darthy Vaderish can’t wait for the white body armour and helmets!

  185. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:44 am

    I really would like to know who “dumb leftists” are

    According to sb, it’s not me 🙂

  186. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 10:53 am

    she hasn’t

    I read this straight after I read your post TB. It gave me a chuckle

    I’m not sure if your family member should take it to heart though 😉

    As long as I live under the capitalistic system, I expect to have my life influenced by the demands of moneyed people. But I will be damned if I propose to be at the beck and call of every itinerant scoundrel who has two cents to invest in a postage stamp.

    This, sir, is my resignation.

    http://www.openculture.com/2015/03/william-faulkner-resigns-from-his-post-office-job.html

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 19, 2015 11:07 am

    “You mean, by leaving a failed war at the same time the madman who started it.”

    I mean by deserting the 60% of the population who turned out and voted, dipping their fingers in the purple ink, in the face of death threats. Just at the time the terrorists were being subdued. At the time Obama cut and run it wasn’t “a failed war”. The fact that the surge was successful enraged the treasonous left who were desperately hoping for failure.

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2015 11:10 am

    …what about all 18 – 20 yo who’ve graduated from religious schools … they should be well indoctrinated by then …

    But surely the leftist atheist parents would have so much more to prove about the futility of religion.

  189. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 11:21 am

    Some simple facts for the simple

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 19, 2015 11:38 am

    ” Is splatteredarse worshipping at the festering alter of planet janet perchance?”

    You’ve got to be fucking joking. I have no truck with skanky hoes!

    I recall reading this article: Michael Kroger’s quiet on new love, Janet Albrechtsen and wondering what induced Janet to leave her prominent lawyer husband. However, upon reading this article I was able to connect the dots – you really would have to enjoy S&M to take up with Kroger.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2015 1:18 pm

    … the treasonous left who were desperately hoping for failure.

    Reasoned, articulate, adult and compelling arguments as always …

    But surely the leftist atheist parents would have so much more to prove about the futility of religion.

    So you conclude that there are no right whinger atheists … and religion is futile … forgetting that atheists don’t give a flying fuck about proving or disproving religious beliefs … what’s to prove?

    Atheists and agnostics just want to move on but somehow we keep getting the blunt end of the stick up our arses because we don’t believe …

    protestants and micks … shiite and sunni … Christians and jews – muslims and christians … muslims and jews … hindu and muslims … really? WGAF!

    Absofknlutely astounding!

  192. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2015 1:30 pm

    protestants and micks

    SHH, don’t mention the war. Especially when we are trying to inform the kiddies that Islam is at the heart of all terrorism.

    Nothing justifies slaughter and nothing justifies degrading, inhumane treatment, regardless of where it occurs. But understanding why it occurs – and our part in it – is the key to putting an end to it. Dr Lissa Johnson explains.

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/11/18/spot-the-extremists-the-hard-psychological-truths-behind-our-own-slaughter-of-innocents/

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2015 7:11 pm

    Is this just another USA self-fulfilling prophecy?

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/were-peaceful-people-north-koreans-in-their-own-words/news-story/8e5e59dd0275f282c75793be43adc9d6

    Y’know … like Cuba … ?

    Psst … don’t tell, sb … 😉

  194. November 19, 2015 7:48 pm

    t,,,,,,,Is splatteredarse worshipping at the festering alter of planet janet perchance?,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #good call, l thought the blot-bog myself, but l suppose any of the limited-news cranks could be lifting content off westbro

  195. November 19, 2015 8:18 pm

    matilda,,,,,,,,,,,In the International Journal of Psychology in 2006, Mark Mattaini and Joseph Strickland said, `the US has recently explicitly endorsed a strategic stance that relies on establishing supposedly invincible coercive power. This stance is precisely the one most likely to lead to counter-controlling actions, including terrorist strikes.`

    Time, unfortunately, seems to have supported this view.

    The continued bloody presence of the US and its allies in the Middle East, including Australia, only makes the West increasingly easy to demonise. Our actions have left nations razed to the ground, millions dead, and even more millions stateless and displaced, causing hunger, homelessness, illness, birth defects, power vacuums and armed, trained, radicalised militias all around.

    Entire populations, as a result, live in terror daily.

    Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton`s refusal to acknowledge this, and their combative responses,,,,,,,,,

    #nice to see matilda don`t have their head up their arse, but don`t expect it to catch-on among the rest of teabag-media tho

  196. November 19, 2015 8:22 pm

    matilda,,,,,,,,,,,,Even on cursory examination, for example, US claims of democracy promotion and defence of human rights in the Middle East fail to stack up.

    One need barely look past the US (and Australian) friendliness towards Saudi Arabia, a regime as brutal and partial to state terror as any other. Moreover, Saudi Arabia`s supply of money and arms to terror groups all over the Middle East is well documented.

    The US and its allies raise little objection to this, and the US continues to supply Saudi Arabia with money and arms, a fact that is similarly well known.,,,,,,,,,,,

    #points totally lost on `our` teabags

  197. Tom R permalink
    November 20, 2015 10:00 am

    In the wake of the Paris attacks, Bolt has suggested a cut in the number of Muslim migrants, a call he has made a number of times before. He has also recommended not taking African immigrants for the same reasons: failure to integrate, propensity to criminality.

    This – let’s be frank – is an unusual position for an anti-racism campaigner to take. It’s difficult to think of anyone else who describes themselves that way advocating racialised immigration quotas. But what makes it especially unique is how it sits against the rest of Bolt’s personal philosophy.

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/richard-cooke/2015/19/2015/1447902983/bolted-down

    pwnd’ 🙂

  198. November 20, 2015 3:23 pm

    “”What is more interesting however is that Tony Abbott since his dumping has not gone quietly at all. Morphing more and more into a pathetic version of Kevin Rudd during his time as dumped PM, Abbott is going out of his way to make clear his views are diametrically opposed to Turnbull’s.””

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/11/20/comment-fight-isnt-about-national-security-its-liberal-party

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2015 4:53 pm

    Abbott is going out of his way to make clear his views are diametrically opposed to Turnbull’s

    But are they?

    All I’ve seen and heard is a smiley face saying the same things and doing the stuff … nothing … but more quietly!

    We still have the same secrecy, climate change BS, RCoTU, catliks calling the shots, economy in free fall, the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor, young, old, weak and infirm … nothing has changed … absolutely nothing … not even the GST … 🙂

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2015 5:05 pm

    As I said above … nothing has changed …

    A boat carrying asylum seekers was intercepted close to Christmas Island on Friday, the first to reach Australian waters since June 2014 …

    … Those on board were given life jackets. The boat was moved further away from the island and covered in a tarpaulin so the arrivals cannot be counted or identified, the sources said.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/20/asylum-seeker-boat-reported-approached-christmas-island

    If the boat was 200m offshore then aren’t they technically in Australia?

    They’ve obviously got better GPS equipment than the RAN … 😉

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 20, 2015 5:26 pm

    protestants and micks … shiite and sunni … Christians and jews – muslims and christians … muslims and jews … hindu and muslims … really? WGAF!
    Absofknlutely astounding!

    How many fkn ‘one true gods’ are there?

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 20, 2015 5:34 pm

    ‘No sniping’ Tony Abbott’s pot shots at Malcolm Turnbull plumb new low:
    http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/no-sniping-tony-abbotts-pot-shots-at-malcolm-turnbull-plumb-new-low-20151119-gl3d7m#ixzz3s0iTGTbu

    …Abbott passively-aggressively implied that should there be an attack at home, it would be the fault of Turnbull and others who refused to commit ground forces.

    “In the wake of Paris and Sinai, it’s becoming clearer that an understandable reluctance to accept military casualties abroad could easily lead to more civilian casualties at home,” he said…

    …Another said of Abbott and his followers: “They see themselves as the government in exile.”

    It is no surprise Abbott is bitter and is seeking vengeance, as Kevin Rudd did to Julia Gillard.

    But to undermine your own side on national security by eroding the people’s trust in the government to protect them in such terrifying times?

    That’s a whole new level…

  203. November 20, 2015 6:40 pm

    afr,,,,,,,,,,,,,Like Kevin Rudd before him, Tony Abbott has started white-anting his own party,,,,,,,#guffaw

    #oh they`re `oh-so-different` aren`t they:-)

    #now team zombie are going all `caucus-lite` after much squealing about how very different and better they are, much amusement to follow

  204. Tom R permalink
    November 20, 2015 6:56 pm

    How many fkn ‘one true gods’ are there?

    There can be only ONE!

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2015 7:32 pm

    Our Government has effectively reduced the superannuation payments of Defence Force retirees by hundreds of millions of dollars per year. And the men and women, who served in the defence of our country for 20 or more years, are powerless to do anything about it.

    These men and women don’t expect to be repaid the vast sums they have lost over the past 35 years. They simply ask that their future superannuation payments be restored to the rightful amounts to which they are entitled.

    The Government will argue that it cannot afford to do this. But that is not true. Funds have already been set aside for the express purpose of meeting future Commonwealth Superannuation payments, including those of Defence Force retirees. Restoring the payments for these retirees to their proper amounts would use less than 0.5% of these funds in the first year, falling to a negligible 0.002% over the next 40 years.

    Politicians of all persuasion have paid much lip service to the debt of gratitude owed to the men and women who have served in our country’s Armed Services. But for these men and women, many of whom are now suffering financial hardship, our politicians have not even honoured our country’s most basic obligation to them, to ensure their and their families’ welfare.

    Australians have every right to feel angry and ashamed over how these men and women are being treated. They deserve better. Political Parties who are prepared to continue to treat them in this disgraceful way should not get our vote at the next Federal Election.

    Fellow Australians, do the right thing and help to seek some justice for those who served in the defence of our country. Add your signature and your feelings to this petition.

    https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-turnbull-darren-chester-assistant-minister-for-defence-restore-defence-force-superannuation-payments-to-their-rightful-amounts?recruiter=168637774&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive

    What can you say … use ’em, abuse ’em and throw them away!

    All governments are the same when it comes to our Australian Defence Force …

    When was the last time you saw a PM seeing the troops off to war … and then welcoming them home?

    Maybe military service should be a pre-requisite for all politicians … at least we’de be sure they had done something physical instead of shining the silver spoon on a shiny leather arse …

    Disfkngraceful!

  206. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 20, 2015 9:34 pm

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 20, 2015 9:48 pm

    He’s uncomfortable with a policy he dares not change.

    And if we do change the policy we will get what is happening in Europe. We got 4,000 boat people in July 2013 just before Labor lost office. That rate equals 50,000 boat people per year. And that number could easily double or triple.

    Just what do lefties want? Should we be taking every refugee in the world?

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 11:13 am

    It struck me this morning that once the christian churches moved out of medieval concepts:

    a) Removing any opposition to their concept of organised religion by force; and

    b) The hypocrisy of their bible in words and the bible in their actions

    c) Believing the church was the font of all knowledge and anything else was sacrilege

    d) Protestants were not much different to catliks

    e) Dying for a religious cause was really unnecessary; and finally

    f) Realising that JC preached love not war (tho’ some still need to read over those Ten Commandments again)

    That the concept of “loving” missionaries – not militarism worked … (but keep ’em out of my state schools!)

    As with the Islamic State … how could you expect to “convert” anyone by fkn killing them … and/or their friends, families or countrymen (sic) … Nazism was doomed to failure for the same reason, so was/is communism in its true form …

    Forcing people to believe or not believe an ideology whether religious or political is quite simply stupid … for one very good reason …

    90% of human beings are by nature freedom loving … whatever they pursue in life … and most of us believe in one thing … being left alone by the 10% and their drones!

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 5:09 pm

    The extremist may also be in the sites of IS after failing to detonating his suicide belt during the Paris attacks, The Independent reports.

    You’d think journalists would know the difference between site and sight … hey? 🙄

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2015 5:37 pm

    Your right with grammar as always TB!

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 6:06 pm

    I almost wrote a smart arse answer to that, ToM … but chose to “see” you grinning … 🙂

    Nicely …

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2015 7:34 pm

    I have no idea what your on about TB!

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 8:24 pm

    You rarely do, ToM 😉

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 8:24 pm

    Oh fk I missed that!

  215. Tony permalink
    November 21, 2015 9:07 pm

    Looks like youse are all still here bickering over the same old shit.

    I’ve got two words for ya: go fuck yourselves! 😯

  216. November 21, 2015 9:10 pm

    “”I’ve got two words for ya: go fuck yourselves!””

    Pity you still can’t count.

    Nice to see you back though, fuckface.

    ;P

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 9:16 pm

    Hey, ToSY!

    Noice to hear yer dulcet tones!

    Classy clip … luv it!

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2015 9:23 pm

    Just showed The Minister (she studied classical and jazz ballet for nine years till she met me and I stuffed it her budding career up) …

    One word … magic!

  219. November 21, 2015 9:32 pm

    Yeah, whatever.

    Happily, since I’ve been away, I’ve learnt how to speak proper English.

  220. November 21, 2015 10:35 pm

    Also, this:

  221. November 21, 2015 10:40 pm

    One last thing. Mountain Speak!

    file:///C:/Users/Tony/Pictures/2015-11-21/181.JPG

  222. November 21, 2015 10:44 pm

    Okay, just one more.

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2015 7:09 am

    Hello Tony. Finally we might get some intelligent discussion here again.

    I can’t keep up with all the grammar corrections.

    * not that I get bothered about that kind of thing

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2015 9:53 am

    Finally we might get some intelligent discussion here again.

    Yeah, whatever …

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2015 1:00 pm

    Thanks tony and good to see you. I’m hoping that we’ll soon see toiletboss, he’s been away awhile too.
    I enjoyed seeing those old movie dances, it’s all class isn’t it? Not so much the gyrations of major lazer et al.

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2015 1:14 pm

    Looks like youse are all still here bickering over the same old shit.

    All families bicker 🙂

    …“I was even starting to relax—a little—until he took me to his parents’ house for dinner. I’ve never met two people more in need of a divorce. They bickered and fought all evening. Royce said that’s how they express their love. I don’t believe him. I mean, please. You tell me if you feel the love from this conversation (written word for word as I remember it):
    Linda: Elliot, be a dear and get me another drink.
    Elliot: Get it yourself.
    Linda: Get up and fix me a drink, you lazy man.
    Elliot: Woman, don’t push me on this. I’ve finally gotten comfortable.
    Linda: (sugary sweet smile) I’ll push you only when you’re standing on a bridge.
    Elliot: If I were standing on a bridge and saw you coming, you wouldn’t have to push me. I’d
    jump.
    See? Does that sound “loving” to you?”
    ― Gena Showalter, Animal Instincts…

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2015 1:44 pm

    All families bicker

    True, Fifi and Lulu always find something to argue about, particularly with the “dance classes”

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2015 10:44 pm

    Turnbull and the dangers of Uber model for the economy
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/11/21/turnbull-and-the-dangers-uber-model-the-economy/14480244002655

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2015 11:52 pm

    The ‘government in exile’

    …Credlin’s residence must be roomy – what with her, presumably husband Brian Loughnane when he’s in town, now the former PM and even Credlin’s former executive assistant Kara Conran (fiancée of c-bomber Richard Dowdy) sleeping under the same roof. The Addams family can eat their hearts out.

    It is understood Conran remains working for Credlin. What an unemployed person needs an EA for is beyond us, but what would we know?…

    http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/tony-abbott-staying-at-peta-credlins-canberra-apartment-20151115-gkzgjz#ixzz3sDvcAOuF

  230. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 8:55 am

    Finally we might get some intelligent discussion here again.

    Sorry to see you go yomm, but welcome back tosy (for as long as it lasts anyway)

    I couldn’t see your dance mashup (won’t let it play it in MY country lol)

    But saw this on twitter this morning, Hope it’s not a replication

    And, liked that Robin Schulz track, even though I’m not big fan of techno/dance whatever it is.

  231. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 9:06 am

    This galling in its propensity. While we have Unions being slimed daily with taxpayers money vie turc and rancid AFP actions.

    THE CFMEU has obtained a Federal Court injunction stopping the Australian Federal Police from inspecting material seized in a raid at the trade union’s Brisbane headquarters.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/cfmeu-given-court-injunction-over-qld-raid/story-fn3dxiwe-1227616904888

    Our grubmint actually supports companies ripping off the same workers the Unions are trying to protect.

    Australian workers short-changed $2.6bn in super

    ……..

    Recently, legislation passed federal parliament’s lower house that reformed parts of superannuation law, including the penalties imposed on employers for non-compliance.

    It would effectively see the fine reduced to an amount so small they would “escape penalty”, Fairfax Media reported.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/11/22/australian-workers-short-changed-2-6bn-super/

    We have one side of politics intent on kicking the workers and protecting their big business mates. And, since they are ably supported by their big media mates, they’ll probably get away with it.

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2015 9:36 am

    …Our grubmint actually supports companies ripping off the same workers the Unions are trying to protect…

    There seems to be a general philosophy that has now become policy where white collar crime is not important and can be easily ignored. Yet anyone fighting the predators by protecting their slave labour will be investigated and prosecuted to the nth degree for the slightest wrongdoing. There is also a public trial by media.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/corporate-criminals-have-escaped-far-too-lightly-20141107-11iqvi.html

    …In a striking display of frankness, corporate cop Greg Medcraft recently articulated what thousands of victims of financial crimes must have thought to themselves.
    Australia was “a bit of a paradise” for white-collar criminals because of its soft punishment of corporate offences, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission chairman said late last month…

    http://bostonreview.net/books-ideas/jessica-pishko-brandon-garrett-matt-taibbi-corporate-crime

    …The question is why. Why are prosecutors so hell-bent on tracking down and jailing individuals who possess drugs or enter the country without documentation yet seemingly helpless in the face of large-scale corporate crime? Is it because the justice system lacks the tools to prosecute corporate crime, or are resources less a factor than corruption? Is the justice system held in thrall by the banks it should be keeping in check while exercising systematic bias against the poor and minorities?…

    …Corporate fraud is the least prosecuted of all crimes…

  233. Walrus permalink
    November 23, 2015 9:48 am

    “There seems to be a general philosophy that has now become policy where white collar crime is not important and can be easily ignored………..”

    You mean like Michael Williamson and Craig Thomson plus Eddie Obeid

  234. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 10:16 am

    Is the justice system held in thrall by the banks it should be keeping in check while exercising systematic bias against the poor and minorities?

    I’m just gonna randomly ping that one AO 😉

    You mean like Michael Williamson and Craig Thomson plus Eddie Obeid

    Yea, like that was ignored. Imagine if they spent a tenth of what they spent crucifying Thom(p)son with on actual white collar crime?

  235. November 23, 2015 10:22 am

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  236. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 10:46 am

    White collar crime is sneaky too …

    … our monthly super payment was recently withdrawn by the super fund on a Friday and we didn’t see it in our bank account until the following Wednesday …

    … while the earnings were a piddly amount – they are OURS …

    … all those piddly amounts from thousands of accounts are being – stolen … don’t we live in the digital age? Don’t we have a 24/7 economy? And obviously a Vacuum Economy …

    ==================================================

    Three out of four Australians believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely in their country and one in four believe it is inevitable, the latest Newspoll shows.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/23/three-out-of-four-australians-expect-large-terrorist-attack-poll

    All expert mushrooms of course kept in the dark and fed on BS … luckily our politicians don’t take any notice of polls … do they?

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 10:48 am

    When it’s Monday but you’re putting on your confident face

    And I thought Bill Shorten looked like a ponce trying to dance … Turncoat proves he is one …

  238. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 10:56 am

    A $950m Coalition government cut to Labor’s successful trade training centres in schools hasn’t stopped its MPs and Senators claiming credit for the program.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/education/trade-training-centre-cuts-affect-jobs-for-the-future/?utm_content=buffer67ad4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Meanwhile, as the grubmint dismantle any positive initiative from Labor, they still feed the maw of white collar criminals feeding from taxpayers.

    A federal government back-to-work scheme is supplying workers to a company that sells expensive diplomas to the unemployed.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/jobless-hired-to-sell-expensive-diplomas-to-unemployed-20151122-gl4zi2.html#ixzz3sGfGj316

  239. November 23, 2015 10:58 am

    “”Turncoat proves he is one …””

    That’s a bit unkind isn’t it.

    No one else was dancing. Joko Widodo was hardly putting in any effort at all, as was that other chinky guy in the green shirt.

    I say “well done”” to talcum for getting into the swing of things.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 10:59 am

    This is interesting …

    The UK’s three leading cinema chains have refused to show an advert by the Church of England that features the Lord’s Prayer, citing fears that it could offend people.

    The 60-second advert was due to be shown before Star Wars: the Force Awakens, released on 18 December and which has smashed records for advance ticket sales at UK cinemas.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2015/nov/22/church-england-prayer-advert-banned-uk-cinemas-star-wars-video

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 11:06 am

    I say “well done”” to talcum for getting into the swing of things.

    That’s because you think he’s awful … but you do like him … 😉

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2015 11:32 am

    The UK’s three leading cinema chains have refused to show an advert by the Church of England that features the Lord’s Prayer, citing fears that it could offend people.

    I know it would offend me.

    Who needs religion when you are looking for a different kind of fantasy and escapism?

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2015 11:44 am

  244. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2015 11:47 am

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2015 12:03 pm

    Brings a tear to the eye 😉

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 1:33 pm

    I know it would offend me.

    Nah, KL, if they’re desperate enough to spend church funds on advertising … instead of showing with deeds their supposed caring for the poor and needy … it demonstrates the businesslike hypocrisy of all organised religion …

    I mean I have to sit there and watch other silly ads … WGAF about some other misguided twit wasting 60 seconds of my time … I even put up with Jeep ads FFS! 😉

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2015 1:34 pm

    Friendly looking crowd.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2015 1:36 pm

    I knew he got out of the bunker…

    Fkn amazing likeness! The Second Cumming!

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 23, 2015 1:48 pm

    A $950m Coalition government cut to Labor’s successful trade training centres in schools hasn’t stopped its MPs and Senators claiming credit for the program.

    Well id did a google search and found a different opinion obviously biased but most probably correct.

    http://www.senatorbirmingham.com.au/Latest-News/ID/2605/Independent-Review-Finds-Labor-Botched-Trade-Training-Centres

    An independent review into Labor’s Trade Training Centres (TTCs) in Schools Program has found that it was more about flashy new buildings than training and that some TTCs are at risk of becoming white elephants…….This independent review was commissioned because employers told us that TTC graduates did not have the skills they needed to do the jobs they were supposed to have been trained for,” Senator Birmingham said.

    “There was also a real fear from some education authorities that TTCs would become ‘white elephants’…………Taxpayers have spent more than $1.4 billion on the TTC program since Labor dismantled the Howard Government’s successful curriculum-focussed Australian Technical Colleges in 2009.

    I tend to agree with the statement by Birmingham since almost nothing the ALP does works.

  250. November 23, 2015 3:20 pm

  251. Walrus permalink
    November 23, 2015 4:10 pm

    Get me a bucket !

  252. November 23, 2015 6:41 pm

    Hear hear!!

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  253. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 8:52 pm

    there there 😉

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2015 8:59 pm

    Heavens!! The grammar in your comment Tom R. My brain hurts and as I’m reading it – so do my eyes. If I read it out loud – my ears would hurt.

  255. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 9:05 pm

    My brain hurts

    Do they have such well targeted aspirin though?

  256. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2015 9:07 pm

    I find it interesting that a ‘journalist’ is providing cover for a Pm who refuses to answer questions.

    In the final fortnight of parliamentary sittings in Canberra, Australians may get the opportunity to learn more about Malcolm Turnbull’s plans for the GST… if he’ll tell us.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/economy/final-opportunity-to-hear-from-pm-about-his-gst-plans-burke/?utm_content=bufferbd07d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Perhaps he should be complaining about talcums refusal to offer an opinion on such an important topic, but … meh, blame Labor, so much easier aint it

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2015 12:14 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/23/tony-abbotts-campaign-to-make-turnbull-look-weak-on-terrorism-is-a-losing-battle

    Ozponerised 14m ago
    Just in. Turnbull’s companies are on the list of exempted companies from public scrutiny. Lenore Taylor has just released names of all companies to get them. Senate debating this as you know. Big news.

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2015 1:34 am

    Tax transparency: full list of exempt companies revealed as Senate battle looms:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/23/tax-transparency-full-list-of-exempt-companies-revealed-as-senate-battle-looms

    …Guardian Australia can reveal the full list of 1,498 companies that were – as of 2011 – exempted from filing annual financial reports with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (Asic) under a deal done by the Keating government in 1995.

    The list is a who’s who of corporate Australia…

  259. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 7:56 am

    Turnbull’s companies are on the list of exempted companies from public scrutiny.

    malcayman strikes back

    Of course, our numpty journos will rush to defend him as soon as Labor raises this obscenity.

    Like keane yesterday. Having a go at Labor for turnbull refusing to answer questions.

    Mr SHORTEN (Maribyrnong—Leader of the Opposition) (14:17): The Housing Industry Association has warned that increasing the GST to 15 per cent could price many Australians out of home ownership. Does the Prime Minister agree with the Housing Industry Association that increasing the GST to 15 per cent would make it even harder for young Australians to buy a new home?

    Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (14:17): I thank the Leader of the Opposition to his question. I do not feel that I have been away at all! Nothing has changed. Question time is just as it was when I left. The Leader of the Opposition seems persuaded that the government is proposing to introduce a 15 per cent GST. The government has no such policy. What the government is doing is conducting what the Labor Party was unable to do in government, and we are conducting a broad consultation and conversation with the Australian people on the question of taxation reform.

    There was a discussion paper published earlier in the year. The Treasurer is getting together his white paper. There is extensive discussion and lots of views being put forward, some of them very constructive and some of them very imaginative—like the one from the member for Fairfax, when we were last gathered here—and all of those opinions and views will be considered by the government.

    I would just say this: the object of reforming the tax system or making changes to the tax system is not to raise the burden of tax to raise additional revenue. The object is to raise the revenue that the government needs, to perform its duties and pay for the services it undertakes, but to do so in a way that better supports and incentivises Australian families to work, save and invest. The tax system is a very big lever that the federal government has, the federal parliament has, and it can be used better or worse, depending on its design, to promote types of jobs, investment and economic activity that all of us support.

    I thank the Leader of the Opposition for his not-especially-scary scare campaign but I really would suggest to him, with all due respect, that he should come up with a new one.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F4542f24a-411d-41aa-874c-00a76d8af37f%2F0130;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F4542f24a-411d-41aa-874c-00a76d8af37f%2F0000%22

    According to keane etal, that is somehow an appropriate answer, even though, it does nothing at all to address the question. They were as forgiving of yabot, and look where that got us.

    Mr SHORTEN (Maribyrnong—Leader of the Opposition) (14:23): My question is to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister has just told the parliament that he wants to have a conversation with Australians about tax. So when will the Prime Minister tell a young family exactly how much longer they will have to save to buy their first home because of his 15 per cent GST?

    Ms Macklin interjecting—

    The SPEAKER: The member for Jagajaga will cease interjecting.

    Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (14:23): I answered that question very adequately on the previous occasion.

    Ms Macklin interjecting—

    The SPEAKER: The member for Jagajaga will cease interjecting.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F4542f24a-411d-41aa-874c-00a76d8af37f%2F0132;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F4542f24a-411d-41aa-874c-00a76d8af37f%2F0000%22

    I’m guessing if malcayman says it’s ‘adequate’, then the journos MUST take him at face value.

    Just as they did with utes 😉

    Our media is really just pathetic, no other description comes close.

    They are happy to have a conversation about the GST, so long as nobody mentions the GST.

    muppets!

  260. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 8:19 am

    From your link about malcaymans (potential) tax avoidance AO

    A spokesman for Turnbull said on Monday night Turnbull and Partners Holdings had been used for other investments more recently, but the prime minister would now write to ask that it be removed from the Asic exemption list.

    You always have to question a policy that needs a special case like this to be ‘removed’ in order to make the policy acceptable (in some eyes anyway)

    I was listening to the Planet Money podcast discussing the TTP the other day, and they mentioned briefly the ISDIS rules. after being told that the tobacco company had abused the rules in the past, they said that’s OK, the tobacco companies are not permitted to use them. What? rather than change a rule that has been shown that it can be abused, instead of fixing the rule, they simply ban one entity from accessing it. Sorry, but as Background Briefing highlighted, MANY entities abuse these rules. Fix the rule, not cheats!

    So, when having “a broad consultation and conversation ” everything is on the table, except of course the ability to see what the major movers are doing with their tax arrangements, Tax Havens are apparently OK, and of course the GST, which is ON the table, but must not be spoken of.

  261. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 8:40 am

    So, someone was leaking to libtika, and it seems it was Labor. Should I say sorry? lol, she’s still part of the ‘game’ that perpetuates this leaking crap. AND, she still couldn’t say if it was Labor, Liberal, or just a guess.

    A tax that saves lives by driving up the price of harmful tobacco and cigarettes, as opposed to a tax on everything including health, education and fresh food is a clear point of difference in the current GST debate.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/health/new-tobacco-policy-continues-labors-approach-to-reducing-consumption/

    Like smokers don’t pay enough already. Hitting them again just … well, hits them again. Really dumb move Labor. Trying to raise taxes by claiming they want people to quit?

    Not that I have anything against policies aimed at reducing smoking, but they are already priced out of the market, only those truly addicted still smoke it seems to me. This is just kicking them. And, for those at the lower end, just gives them more pressure, which keeps them smoking.

    But of course, the libs are quite happy to keep it going, and keep blaming Labor for it.

  262. November 24, 2015 9:01 am

    “”they are already priced out of the market””

    The fact that there are still people who smoke, proves that statement to be a falsehood…

    (just sayin’)

  263. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 9:01 am

    Tony Burke is on the same wavelength

    Tony Burke’s House of Reps speech takes aim at the Turnbull Government labeling the GST hike “regressive” and “inflationary” and accusing them of only allowing discourse “if you don’t have a view”.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-burkes-goods-and-services-tax-speech,8403

    The “broad consultation and conversation” you have when you’re not having a “broad consultation and conversation”

  264. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 9:08 am

    The fact that there are still people who smoke, proves that statement to be a falsehood…

    Or just how much of their disposable income is already spent on smokes. Yea, “priced out of the market” might be a tad over kill, but people on pensions etc will be spending a huge proportion of their pension on smokes, adding to the stress, which just makes you want to smoke more.

    I know, I was there. I’m not sure how I would survive now if my pay was what it was, and I didn’t have the luck to give up.

  265. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2015 9:24 am

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

    Mr 15%……………………………………………..ROFLMAO

  266. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2015 9:27 am

    Yes, I see the oz is making a big deal about one 15% number, but ignoring the other one, you know, the one ON the table ……… or not 😉

  267. November 25, 2015 9:10 am

    team-cheerer,,,,,,,,,they are already priced out of the market,,,,,,,,

    reb,,,,,,,,,,,The fact that there are still people who smoke, proves that statement to be a falsehood,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #reb, l tend to agree with the team-cheerer, 67% (or-more) of retail-price is `some-sort` of tax, there is also a healthy `profit-margin` as part of the `retail-price` too, this is a magnificent `gap` for the black-market to collect from, so rest assured, there is definitely some consumers priced out of the white-market, and into the black-market.

  268. November 25, 2015 10:06 am

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