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It’s about to get rough for Mal Brough

December 2, 2015

QUESTION TIME

It’s about to get rough for Mal Brough, and when the going gets rough the tough get Brough.

So far, the Minister for upholding ethical standards in Parliament has managed to survive relatively unscathed in the wake of accusations that he procured the sleaze-ridden James Ashby to obtain former Parliamentary Speaker Peter Slipper’s diary as part of a Liberal Party plot to over throw the then Labor government, however things are about to reach fever pitch as shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus accuses Mr Brough of “slithering and sliding” around his role in the Ashby-Slipper affair.

“At the very least he must stand aside,” Mr Dreyfus told a Gutter Trash correspondent earlier this morning.

The demand comes as 60 Minutes debunked the besieged minister’s claim in parliament on Tuesday that a television interview, in which he admitted to asking James Ashby to obtain copies of ex-Speaker Peter Slipper’s diary, was edited.

HE MISLED PARLIAMENT!

A raw copy of the interview last year shows journalist Liz Hayes stumbling at the start of the disputed question.

“Um why then also did you um assist, seek well, did you ask James Ashby to procure um copies of Peter Slipper’s diary for you?” Hayes asked.

Mr Brough replied: “Yes I did”.

However, the minister told parliament “what was put to air was not the full question”.

Mr Dreyfus said it appeared Mr Brough has misled parliament.

“Yesterday he went to a new low, blaming journalists alleging falsely, as it turns out, that there had been a selective editing of the question he’d been asked.”

Labor has been pursuing the minister in parliament over a police investigation into how copies of Mr Slipper’s diary were procured by Mr Ashby, a staffer of the then Speaker.

“He’s been slithering and sliding around, giving different answers on each day,” Mr Dreyfus said.

Mr Dreyfus said Mr Brough had never given a full account of his involvement in the “grubby Ashby affair”.

“He has shown himself to be someone that cannot even answer a straight question.”

Meanwhile, former PM Tony ‘there will be no backgrounding or sniping’ Abbott has called Julie Bishop a ‘[fucking bitch of a] liar’ over her ‘recollection’ of events leading up to his unceremonious dumping of PM’ship back whenever it was…

Obviously no love lost there.

 

 

 

 

 

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317 Comments leave one →
  1. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:25 am

  2. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:27 am

    Timely reb 😉

    But the grubmint is refusing to defend brough, gagging Labor instead.

    They’d rather shut things down than address the claim he misled the House.

    It’s going to get REALLY rough for brough it appears

    And, in turn, for the pm that accepts this standard, especially considering that he is the minister for government integrity

    Whatever that means these days

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:43 am

    Live: Turnbull back, Bishop questioned over charter jet
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-02/abc-live-blog-wednesday-december-2/6992786

    Malcolm Turnbull arrives home from Paris as Julie Bishop faces questions over her use of a private jet to pick her up from a charity dinner. Follow the day in politics live.

    …Foreign Minister defends charter travel

    West Australian Minister and Deputy Liberal Leader Julie Bishop chartered an empty taxpayer-funded VIP jet to travel from Canberra to Perth and collect her from a charity event, according to News Corp.

    The report says the nine-seater jet was empty as it travelled overnight to Perth in October and then returned to Canberra with Ms Bishop and her partner, David Panton, on board.

    Julie Bishop’s office has provided a statement saying the charter was required so Ms Bishop could meet ministerial commitments, and there were no commercial flight options.

    There is no suggestion in the story that the travel was outside the ministerial guidelines, it also notes former Labor foreign minister Stephen Smith regularly relied on the charter service to get back to Canberra.

    According to the story the cost of the flight was estimated at $30,000…

  4. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:50 am

    The report says the nine-seater jet was empty as it travelled overnight to Perth

    She should be thanked for not putting the general populace through the ordeal of meeting her in public.

    A most generous soul imo

  5. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:58 am

    Treasurer Scott Morrison has “misled” the house.

    et tu brute

    Any idea what this one is about AO?

    oh, the picture of pyne just sums up what they are coming across as. Spoilt brats

  6. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:00 am

    Haha Sucked in

    Guess that is what you get when you try for headlines over substance.

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:01 am

    Greg Barns calls out media bias over Ashbygate:
    https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/greg-barns-calls-out-media-bias-over-ashbygate,5482#.Vl4hzHgQgJM.twitter

    …When Julia Gillard removed Kevin Rudd and Kevin Rudd then pushed out Julia Gillard there was plenty of analysis and blow-by-blow detail. The coverage, however, was relatively straight recording. The ALP likes its history and is not put off if it is frank and brutal. The Liberals are not used to this type of frankness and self examination…

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:04 am

    The report says the nine-seater jet was empty as it travelled overnight to Perth

    Does the boyfriend pay a fare or does he get a free $30,000 charter flight courtesy of the aussie taxpayer?

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:23 am

    Any idea what this one is about AO?

    Joe Hockey’s secret plan to increase GST to 15 per cent
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockeys-secret-plan-to-increase-gst-to-15-per-cent-20151201-glcqd4.html#ixzz3t799TVYV

  10. December 2, 2015 10:26 am

    lt`s 30K armchair, 15K each way, empty, one, or nine

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:33 am

    Monumental overreach: Liberal luminaries tried to wrench the treasurer’s barnacle from Abbott’s sinking ship:
    http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2015/Shirtfronted/PartThreeJoe.html

    ,i>…Hockey wanted Abbott to chair the cabinet group that assembles the budget, the Expenditure Review Committee (ERC) or colloquially the “razor gang”, so he would “own” it. He did, and he did…

    …The prime minister presided over every major element of that budget, and every major decision, with the omnipresent Credlin in attendance and participating. He would later remark that the budget was at least as much his as Joe’s: “If I were going to sack Joe I might as well sack myself.”
    The prime minister personally proposed and sponsored the $7 Medicare co-payment…

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 10:59 am

    Does the boyfriend pay a fare or does he get a free $30,000 charter flight courtesy of the aussie taxpayer?

    Its obvious where expenditure needs to be cut!

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 11:05 am

    9:55am: Mr Brough’s body language during all of that is quite telling, don’t you think?

    lt`s 30K armchair, 15K each way, empty, one, or nine

    it’s still damned expensive to pick them up following some charity event, I would think that would negate any charity aspect. I’m sure that they could stay overnight, take a red-eye or return on a commercial flight the next day.
    Bishop would not have considered any of those options, the pollies use expensive aircraft as a taxi service, their ‘entitlement’ of office is to have a personal jet available for whenever they feel like it.

    Nick Xenophon flies commercial non-business class.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 11:14 am

    … it’s still damned expensive to pick them up following some charity event, I would think that would negate any charity aspect.

    And there’s plenty of ‘red eye” flights (“… passengers are reminded that sleeping in the aisles is prohibited …”) out of Perth to the East Coast … (yep, flown a few)

    … I thought the, The Firm, were all in London (unless they’re here on tax payer funded holidays) …

    And I know for sure Bob Katter uses domestic airlines!!!

  15. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 11:42 am

    brough has apologised to parliament for 60 minutes being so shithouse? 😯

    The Brough statement just now on indulgence

    Yesterday during Question Time I said: “In relation to the 60 Minutes interview, what was put to air was not the full question.”

    Mr Speaker, my recollection of the interview was that the question was put to me in a somewhat disjointed manner, and I answered the question without clarifying precisely what part of the question I was responding to. This is confirmed by the tape provided by 60 Minutes and that was the reason for my answer yesterday.

    Mr Speaker, I have taken the opportunity to review the tape and transcript, and apologise to the House if my statement yesterday unwittingly added to the confusion rather than clarifying the matter.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/dec/02/pressure-grows-on-turnbull-to-address-mal-brough-over-ashby-affair-politics-live?CMP=soc_568#block-565e3adce4b04d58f490f1d4

  16. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 11:45 am

    Joe Hockey’s secret plan to increase GST to 15 per cent

    Yes, I had read that this morning (much to Peter Martins regret 🙂 )

    Not sure how morriscum got involved. Seems he said something regarding it in QT yesterday?

    He once again called out the mainstream media for their blatant bias in relation to the matter and seeming lack of curiosity with respect to Justice Rares’ damning Federal Court judgement.

    Paranoia I say 🙂

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 11:52 am

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:00 pm

  19. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:04 pm

    And I don’t think his explanation/ clarification fools anyone

    Time will tell. Will it fool “rainman” turnbull? That’s who needs to be convinced.

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:06 pm

    Mal Brough affair: Malcolm Turnbull will need to act against minister wriggling in quicksand
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/mal-brough-affair-malcolm-turnbull-will-need-to-act-against-minister-wriggling-in-quicksand-20151201-gld48d.html#ixzz3t7Ybxrco

    …A heavily qualified apology to the House of Representatives on Wednesday changed nothing, merely confirming what was already obvious: that he had misled the Parliament…

    … According to one senior minister, Brough’s position is now “unviable”.
    If his selection looks like a heroic choice, his removal, as now looks increasingly inescapable, will be a blow to him and a direct admission of an error of judgment by the new PM…

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:23 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/dec/02/pressure-grows-on-turnbull-to-address-mal-brough-over-ashby-affair-politics-live

    …Apart from the obvious weasel words – what on earth can Brough mean by suggesting he was answering a different part of the question?

    Let’s recap that bit of the apologia.

    Mr Speaker, my recollection of the interview was that the question was put to me in a somewhat disjointed manner, and I answered the question without clarifying precisely what part of the question I was responding to.

    Let’s cut to the chase. There was only one part to that question, as the 60 Minutes transcript makes clear. There was a brief stumble at the preamble then the question was put…

  22. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:24 pm

    AO

    Some more about morrison misleading parli. This is all I’ve read, but, since it was under hockey, he’s probably going to be alright. Ignorance will be his strongest defense. Of course, it was an open secret that the libs as a whole were agitating for the 15%. We just can’t talk about it 😉

    Back to Morrison.

    Q: Have you seen the modelling done for the states on the GST?

    (This question relates to the story I’ve referenced that Joe Hockey recommended an increase in the GST to 15% – the one that the shadow treasurer, Chris Bowen, says confirms Scott Morrison misled parliament when he said only Labor had investigated options for a GST increase.)

    Scott Morrison:

    As I said in the House and as I’ve said at numerous press conferences there was modelling done based on the request from the state and territories to model those outcomes. I presented that at the last meeting of state treasurers to those state treasurers in response. I’ve been transparent.

    It’s been hiding in plain sight in press conferences and in the parliament. I don’t think there’s anything terribly revealing about that. The difference is we did that in response to a request from the states. I noticed the shadow treasurer initiated modelling on a broadening of the base of the GST and an increase in its rate. He has chosen not to allow that information to be made available to the government or the public. That’s a matter for him.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/dec/02/pressure-grows-on-turnbull-to-address-mal-brough-over-ashby-affair-politics-live?CMP=soc_568#block-565e44c7e4b0ef1f44c55c23

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:33 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/dec/02/pressure-grows-on-turnbull-to-address-mal-brough-over-ashby-affair-politics-live

    …11:32 Brough is clearly attempting to neutralise the question time attack that will come inevitably at 2pm. I don’t think this apology will cut it. It’s quite clearly weasel words, and generally weasel words don’t cut it.

  24. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 12:34 pm

    Naughty, picking on Labor-lite like that 🙂

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2015 1:04 pm

    What the hell????

    Mal Brough is wearing a shirt (with a tie!) with a button down collar – SACK HIM!!

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2015 1:05 pm

    Possibly the only sane thing the Greens have ever done, Tom R!

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 1:10 pm

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:16 pm

    Naughty, picking on Labor-lite like that,/i>

    Has one half of the cosy duopoly got their nose out of joint since the ‘people’s parliament’ has just been invaded by conservationists? 😉

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:20 pm

    Where’s Wong?

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:29 pm

  31. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:32 pm

    Has one half of the cosy duopoly

    Just to clear things up, who is the other half this time 😉

    which part of the @60mins question he thought he was answering #QT

    Perhaps he’s pulling a malcayman, and is complaining about the question he asked himself in place of the initial question asked?

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:36 pm

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:44 pm

    Now Big Mal’s had enough, feeling sorry for broughie who was unhappily walking the plank over and over, Turnbull is telling us that ashbygate is old news now and the minister has answered all the questions put to him.

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:46 pm

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 2:57 pm

    [jack]
    …The Greens will challenge Liberal heartlands too — the loss of the state seat of Prahran, covering parts of Toorak and Malvern in the Victorian election last year sent a shudder up more than a few Liberal spines — but the real and immediate danger is to Labor held seats…

    …By way of extrapolation consider the not unreasonable prospect on the crossbenches with say ten bums on seats — six or seven of those ample posteriors belonging to the Greens. Under these circumstances it becomes more difficult for governments to win absolute majorities and while minority governments may not become the standard, it is a reasonable assumption to conclude majority governments will become less frequent in future…

    …Throw into the brew a Liberal Party divided on ideological lines and you have the mother of all calamities to the accepted norm of partisan plurality in Australia and swings and roundabouts election results…

  36. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:04 pm

    Poor li’l roy, he had so much potential

  37. December 2, 2015 3:18 pm

    Adult government…

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  38. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:26 pm

    Jacktheonsider falls for the media’s main game, claiming, without any justification again, that Labor stands for nothing.

    Labor is spooked and unable to stand in one spot for long enough to signal just what (and who) it is it stands for.

    regurgitating the media’s now long term attack. He tries to back up his claim.

    Labor’s approach seems a bit like the rule of thumb we were given in primary school for converting imperial to decimal measurements — double it and add ten.

    Of course, IF he had bothered to go to the source, he may have learnt a thing or two.

    Our approach to post-2020 pollution reduction targets has followed a clear and logical sequence of decision making:

    Labor accepts the science that limiting global warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius is necessary to avert dangerous climate change.
    Our commitment to limiting global warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius requires Australia to be a net zero emissions economy by the middle of the century.
    To achieve this 2050 target, Labor will consult on the Climate Change Authority’s 2030 baseline target of a 45 per cent reduction in carbon pollution on 2005 levels.

    http://www.alp.org.au/climatechangeactionplan

    So, Labor are following the advice of the Climate Change Authority. If you took jacks measurements, it appears that Labor-lite-totheright have taken the figures, halved them and subtracted ten, while Labor-lite-totheleft have taken the figures, doubled them and added ten

    It is this constant regurgitation of the same tired old themes, never supported in any actual examination of reality, that pisses me off the most.

    And the worst part is, jacks one of the better ones, especially considering who he shares his stable with.

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:36 pm

    Labor accepts the science that limiting global warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius is necessary to avert dangerous climate change.

    Good. Why didn’t Rudd/Gillard ban coal and LPG exports when they had the power to do so?

  40. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:42 pm

    Why didn’t Rudd/Gillard ban coal and LPG exports when they had the power to do so?

    Because, if we adopt a plan as proposed by the Climate Change Authority, we don’t NEED to ban it!

    Of course, that’s probably too complex for a mind that cannot even work out what pollution is.

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:49 pm

    Because, if we adopt a plan as proposed by the Climate Change Authority, we don’t NEED to ban it!

    Why not? Every time we burn coal and LPG we produce CO2. And we are one of the worlds biggest exporters of these fossil fuels.

  42. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:51 pm

    Why not?

    Go educate yourself

    http://www.alp.org.au/climatechangeactionplan

  43. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:52 pm

    lol

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2015 3:57 pm

    “you don’t deal with revenue by jacking up taxes, that’s Labor’s way.”

    Koukoulas says the Howard/Costello govt was the highest taxing govt ever. But lefties also say at the same time that the Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget.

    Which statement is true?

  45. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 4:49 pm

    “Because, if we adopt a plan as proposed by the Climate Change Authority, we don’t NEED to ban it!”

    Circle ya wagons TomR the Indians are coming and they are might pissed off with you Greenies

    “With about a quarter of India’s population of 1.2 billion living without access to electricity, ignoring cheap thermal coal as a source of power is not an option. ”

    “In 2030, China, USA – these countries we still be using more coal in absolute terms than we are. In per capita terms, most countries of the world will be using more coal than we are in 2030.” – Ajay Mathur, one of India’s negotiators

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/climate/indian-negotiator-ajay-mathur-could-derail-paris-climate-summit-20151202-gldchr#ixzz3t8icYfEh
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

  46. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 4:50 pm

    Besides we will soon all be saved by Bill Shitten’s and the ALPs $200 per tonne carbon price.

    That’s sure to get them elected.

  47. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:05 pm

    with you Greenies

    Read above and try to get it right 😉

    ignoring cheap thermal coal as a source of power is not an option.

    Considering most of India don’t doesn’t have power lines, what’s the fucken point of coal for them?

    It aint looking rosy for poor old coal though. We should have stuck with Labor’s plan to transition.

    With domestic coal production growth running at double electricity demand growth of 3% year on year to-date in 2015/16, inevitably coal imports have proven the swing factor. Reports show coal imports have declined 5% year on year in July-August 2015, in line with Energy Minister Piyush Goyal’s repeated pledge to end coal imports.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/india-signs-up-for-10-fold-increase-in-renewables-in-paris-climate-pledge-52023

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:05 pm

    “With about a quarter of India’s population of 1.2 billion living without access to electricity, ignoring cheap thermal coal as a source of power is not an option. ”

    FFS! 90% of the houses in my street are now solar powered!

    Its all about mind set

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:21 pm

    Dreyfus: Brough still has “questions to answer” 😉

  50. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:31 pm

    brough could be safe as houses, he’s only got the keystone AFP after him

  51. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:39 pm

    “Considering most of India don’t doesn’t have power lines, what’s the fucken point of coal for them?”

    Well maybe you should get yourself over to Paris and sort them all out……….LOL

    You obviously have not been to many third world countries Tommy boy

  52. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:44 pm

    wow, wally has a photo of ALL of India 😆 ❓

  53. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:52 pm

    “wow, wally has a photo of ALL of India”

    No I dont……I have something slightly better…..I have a Map for you.

    Just click where indicated……….ROFLMAO

    http://www.powergridindia.com/_layouts/PowerGrid/User/ContentPage.aspx?PId=80&LangID=english

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:56 pm

    Besides we will soon all be saved by Bill Shitten’s and the ALPs $200 per tonne carbon price.

    That’s sure to get them elected.

    1. Do you have a link for $200 … or as usual making shit up.

    2. An ETS brings in revenue … eg increase revenue, reduce expenditure – isn’t that the name of the game?

    3. The stupid Direct Action PAYS taxpayers’ money in an attempt to lower emissions … no guarantees … just Greg *unt waffling airy fairy numbers in the hope of reducing emissions

    4. If When the Direct Action plan doesn’t work who pays the cost then? The taxpayer … TWICE … harebrained nonsense.

    5. Renewable energy approaches would also enable our manufacturing industry some breathing space to renew itself! eg increase revenue, reduce expenditure – isn’t that the name of the game?

    6. Solar and wind farms would also provide employment for miners now and in future out of work … eg increase revenue, reduce expenditure – isn’t that the name of the game?

    7. With unlimited solar energy in the outback we can open up the country to agriculture and become Asia’s foodbowl … employ more people and increase our refugee intake to pay more taxes … eg increase revenue, reduce expenditure – isn’t that the name of the game?

    Live in the 1950’s by all means … but not at my family’s expense …

    Enough is Enough …

    The planet’s weather is changing … by nature or by intervention … who knows?

    But I do know that renewable energy IS the way forward no matter what!

  55. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 5:59 pm

    Here’s another one for you…………………………….

    Here is some Lefty speak for ya…….

    “Pesky bloody primitive Indians…………they shouldn’t be allowed to have power. They just dont know their correct position in the World do they ?”

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:01 pm

    Police ordered to return thousands of documents seized during a raid on the CFMEU’s headquarters in August.

    It really should be called the LPP … Liberal Party Police … what a bunch of stuff ups … and I don’t blame the coppers … the senior officers have been Liberal Party puppets since Howard’s regime!

    Australia’s PM bunking down at the AFP barracks was a ludicrous look that no-one ever seemed to see …

    I’m not a big fan of the CFMEU … but a RC into the AFP wouldn’t go astray … what was the doctor’s name on the Gold Coast again?

    Muhamed Haneef

  57. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:01 pm

    “1. Do you have a link for $200 … or as usual making shit up.”

    Refer to AFR…………or you could just ask the ALP………….but um………..seems they have yet to cost it…………..ROFLMAO

  58. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:02 pm

    “… the senior officers have been Liberal Party puppets since Howard’s regime!”

    Link please………..or are you making shit up again ?

  59. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:23 pm

    Nice map wally

    OK, Yes, “most” was the wrong word, it should have been “much” of India is without power lines

    In the rural areas, many remote villages are beyond the reach of the electricity grid.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/abbott-wrong-to-say-australian-coal-will-help-indian-poor-26464

    But, regardless, Coal, especially from Australia, is not going to be India’s long term or short term saviour

    Coal is on the way out. So, we must transition from coal to other sources.

    Labor had/have a plan for that. And, regardless of what muppets like jacktheonsider says, they also have a valid, documented reason for that.

    or are you making shit up again ?

    Perhaps he’s just going on documented evidence of, anytime the libs call, they jump, else, back of the line (which doesn’t appear to move)

  60. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:43 pm

    “In the rural areas, many remote villages are beyond the reach of the electricity grid. ”

    That wont wash Tom.

    In my trips to Cambodia the prospect of a powerline running close by brings out literally hundreds of volunteers from the natives wanting to assist such is the demand just to have basic lighting.

    If they have to they will put up their own poles and steal it. I’ve seen it myself on 2 occasions (left the village after doing some housing and return 12 months later and they have power) and I tend to be in the same back blocks each time I go so cant speak for the other areas. From what I have heard its common. I couldn’t imagine India being any different.

    As soon as they have established shelter, fresh water, crops, and fuel (usually rice husks to burn) they wait for the power to be established nearby as that’s the next priority.

    Anyway……….I’m off to dinner with friends at a restaurant a short walk away that strangely uses candle lighting almost exclusively .

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:49 pm

    Coal is on the way out. So, we must transition from coal to other sources.

    http://www.australianmining.com.au/news/coal-exports-still-breaking-records

    Coal exports are still growing, in spite of a weakened market……The latest record coal export figures are also an inconvenient outcome for the anti-coal activists who are constantly bleating about the end of coal.”…….Queensland is not the only state to increase its exports.

    New South Wales coal exports have continued to grow in the past financial year, indicating firm global demand for the commodity.

  62. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2015 6:53 pm

    If they have to they will put up their own poles and steal it.

    Unless of course if they have another option, such as renewables 😉

    And, since nil stuck his ugly head out again, did you read the link?

    Did you learn anything?

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2015 7:34 pm

    Refer to AFR…………

    You made the statement … and as you say … ask the ALP………….but um………..seems they have yet to cost it

    One of these days you’ll do yourself an injury rolling on the floor …

    Link please………..

    Start here …

    https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=nqheVseXPOvN8Afh-oDICA&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=AFP+failures+to+investigate+Liberal+politicians

    I’ve seen it myself on 2 occasions

    Pretty big cohort there … erm Cambodia isn’t India …

    BTW ANY third world country will benefit from solar power …

    From what I have heard its common. I couldn’t imagine India being any different.

    Strangely enough I worked fot the PNG Electricity Commission – Elcom … and they had to pay village owners to put poles in their land … so its not the same everywhere … as an aside the women own the land in PNG … funny world, hey?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Coal exports are still growing, in spite of a weakened market……

    Mmmm … weak market … exports growing … I’m sure Wally will tell me what I missed …

    inconvenient outcome for the anti-coal activists who are constantly bleating about the end of coal

    “bleating” … like the folk who rode horses and said cars would never take over … or the Luddites who said machines would never take over people weaving … or the French who said that winemaking was an art not a modern process for consistency … or the generals in WWI still fighting the battle of Waterloo against machine guns and heavy artillery … or the people who don’t understand the value of vaccinations … or – the list goes on …

    It has a name … fear …

    Based on ignorance and change … the fear of both or either …

    Oh … and money … how else do The Robber Barons or wannabes … yeah you – 😎 … make money on other people’s misery!

    Hard to make money from independently owned solar energy systems … unless you are a MANUFACTURER!

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2015 7:57 pm

    Based on ignorance and change … the fear of both or either …

    I was just stating a fact. Coal exports are still increasing. Here are some figures

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal#Major_coal_exporters

    We were exporting 238million tons in 2003 and exporting 332 million tons in 2012.Most other countries have also increased exports of coal.

  65. December 2, 2015 8:45 pm

    ONION-PANIC

    ,,,,Justice Richard Refshauge, in a decision handed down in the ACT Supreme Court on Wednesday, found part of the search of the Dickson offices had been unlawful.,,,,

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/australian-federal-police-raid-of-cfmeu-canberra-headquarters-ruled-illegal-20151201-gld32v.html

    ,,,,Justice Refshauge ruled that police withheld information from the magistrate in order to get the warrant.,,,,

    ,,,,”I have found the seizure under the second warrant to be invalid because of the failure to disclose fully the circumstances that were required to be disclosed for the issuing officer, the learned magistrate, to make a proper decision about whether to issue a warrant that is able to be executed after 9pm,” the decision said.,,,,

    ,,,,”In the light of the strict duty of full disclosure, it seems to me that this failure meant that the warrant was issued on a false basis and is therefore invalid.”,,,,

    ,,,The judge ordered information seized – which the union says was electronic data – under the second warrant should be destroyed or returned to the union with seven days.,,,

    ,,,,But the police have been allowed to keep information taken before the second warrant was issued at 9pm.,,,,

    ,,,Although the admissibility of that information could be subject to challenge if it were used in future court proceedings after Justice Refshauge made declarations of non-compliance for a number of police obligations, including obligation to copy and return seized information as soon as practicable and not providing a copy of the first warrant upon arrival.,,,

    ,,,,,The judge also ordered the AFP pay the CFMEU’s legal costs for the legal challenge against the raid.,,,,,

    BUT,BUT,BUT,,, THE CMFU2!!!,,,, BLEAT,BLEAT,BLEAT:-),,, #suck.it.up.teabag

  66. December 2, 2015 9:02 pm

    AO,,,,,it`s still damned expensive to pick them up,,,,,

    #l agree armchair, with respect to katter and xeno, joolee is deputy and foreign-minister, but it does high-light the disconnection from reality all the canberra zombies have, watch next-time they start bleating about the pension/dole payments, they will continue to claim less than 15K/p.a is plenty for the plebs to live on, while they will continue to claim they are entitled to spend 15K each-way on flights of questionable judgment.

    #doing.a.bronny.copter

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2015 9:55 pm

    Can you believe it!!???

    Plods f**k up!!

    Therefore the CFMEU is innocent of EVERYTHING!!

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 1:54 am

    MAL BROUGH CRASHES THROUGH [Sept. 2013]
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/september/1377957600/nick-bryant/mal-brough-crashes-through

    …Brough moved to Melbourne for a while, then returned to Queensland to mend fences with the LNP and relaunch his electoral career in Fisher. He had already started laying the foundations for his political comeback in a June 2010 interview with the Sunshine Coast Daily, in which he declared it was time for Slipper to stand aside, as well as the Liberal member for neighbouring Fairfax, Alex Somlyay, who at that time was recovering from throat cancer. Tony Abbott, who has been a loyal friend to Brough, is alleged to have tried to lever him into Fairfax by offering Somlyay the possibility of an overseas posting. Following complaints from Labor, the matter was referred to the Australian Federal Police, although no further action has been taken…

  69. December 3, 2015 5:08 am

    sweet.Laurie,,,,,,,,,,Why are leaks important to our political system and our democracy? Leaks are essential to our democracy. Not necessarily the kind of leaks Tony Abbott was talking about; politicians talking about internal party politics.

    It’s about the journalist’s ability to tell the public what’s really happening when the government doesn’t want them to know, which is most of the time.,,,,,,,

    #lt is too bad so-called journalist`s don`t concentrate their time and efforts on this aspect Laurie, instead of the blather they so often serve-up to the viewers.

    ,,,,,,,Press freedom is largely about the ability to have confidential sources and protect them. You can’t have proper journalism – you can’t have proper democracy – without that. And it’s interesting that Malcolm Turnbull seems to understand that. He’s given a number of speeches about the importance of journalists safeguarding their sources.

    Laurie Oakes – Journalist,,,,,,,,,,#so.called

    https://t.co/BA7PnisnyD

  70. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 8:10 am

    Can you believe it!!???

    turc goes for headlines over substance AGAIN

    Current scoreline

    CFMEU 2, plods 0 🙂

  71. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 8:36 am

    It’s about the journalist’s ability to tell the public what’s really happening when the government doesn’t want them to know

    So how does accusing Gillard of opposing Paid Parental Leave in a confidential cabinet discussion in a major election speech, without revealing where that claim came from, and which, in the wash up, turned out to be nothing more than devious internal wrangling and clear puppetry of Oakes by rudd, just how does THAT improve our understanding of the Governemnt?

    Except to reinforce the fact that politics in the last decade has been dominated by two of the most narcissistic and egotistic characters this country has seen.

    And the likes of oakes and his “leaks” has aided and abetted their rise.

    Their downfall was largely a result of their own personal traits finally imploding as they reached critical mass. Nothing to do with oakes fabled ‘leaks’, which did nothing for democracy, but did a lot of good for his career.

    That’s not to say ‘leaks’ of the whistleblower kind are not a bad thing. But oakes and his ilk forget the one overarching question they forget to ask in their pursuit of their version of self gratifying democracy

    What is the motivation of the leaker?

    THAT is what should dictate the release of leaks. oakes MUST have known he was advancing a purely political cause when he uttered those words. So his ‘democracy’ argument hangs limp and lifeless when you consider the motivation of the leaker, just like his press gallery’s reputation does.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2015 8:51 am

    YEAH!

    The CFMEU are getting the same biased treatment as Craig because he was innocent too!

  73. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 9:13 am

    The CFMEU are getting the same biased treatment as Craig because he is the ideological enemy of big business too

    fixed it fer ya yomm 😉

    I’m getting a distinct impression from your comments that you are quite happy with our federal police acting in an illegal manner towards peoples and organistations.

    But that’s just an impression that I get 😉

  74. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 9:44 am

    Looks like poor old malcayman is not going to have a happy last day of parliament 🙂

    For those interested, here’s the full text of this morning’s censure motion.

    That the House:

    1. Notes that yesterday, the prime minister said in question time in relation to the special minister of state’s involvement in the Ashby affair: “The evidence or the information about them has been in the public domain for some time. There have been no new developments, no changes or additions to that material”;

    2. Resolves that in making this statement, the prime minister ignored numerous new developments, namely:

    (a) The Australian Federal Police conducting a raid on the special minister of state’s home in relation to the minister’s involvement in the Ashby affair;

    (b) The special minister of state misleading the parliament on three separate occasions this week;

    i. On Tuesday in question time when the special minister of state was asked about statements he had made in relation to the Ashby affair, the minister said “In relation to the 60 Minutes interview, what was put to air was not the full question”. But On Channel Nine Television News on Tuesday, in a story by journalist Laurie Oakes, the original vision of the 60 Minutes interview was played and makes it clear that there were no words omitted which could in any way be considered part of the question the minister was asked;

    ii. On Wednesday, the special minister of state made a statement on indulgence in the House in which he claimed during his interview on 60 Minutes, he was answering a different part of the question which prompted his admission when there was clearly only one question asked;

    iii. On Wednesday in question time when the special minister of state was asked the exact same question that he was asked on 60 Minutes, he changed his answer from “Yes, I did” and said “No”. This was not withstanding the subsequent questions in the 60 Minutes interview which clearly affirmed his statement “Yes, I did”,

    3. Therefore censures the prime minister for failing to enforce his own criteria for taking action and sacking the special minister of state for repeatedly misleading the parliament and breaching the prime minister’s own statement of ministerial standards.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/dec/03/mal-brough-to-face-fresh-parliamentary-attack-on-the-final-sitting-day-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-565f6c9ee4b0bd851920c165

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:03 am

    Don’t arrest that criminal – he’s innocent because the police used a comma in the search warrant, they should have used a semicolon.

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:11 am

    the police used a comma in the search warrant, they should have used a semicolon.

    Your ignorance is heavily magnified by your blinkers yomm.

  77. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:14 am

    STOP THE PRESSES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mass shooting reports from California…………………….

    And now lets turn to the Weather………………………….

    Sydney Fine
    Melbourne Fine
    Adelaide Overcast
    Perth Fine
    Brisbane Sunny……Chance of a Storm

    And that’s it for this morning……….we’ll keep you upto date with those all important weather forecasts throughout the day

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:18 am

    huh ❓

  79. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:21 am

    “huh”

    I tend to agree

    But I do have a problem with the legislation affecting private companies especially single product companies.

  80. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:32 am

    huh

    Yes, it seems pretty messy at the moment AO

    Both sides trying to lay claim to their own agenda?

    But I do have a problem with the legislation affecting private companies

    I don’t. Why should they be so special?

  81. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:36 am

    “I don’t. Why should they be so special?”

    Because gross margins can be determined very easily with single product companies and they can then be subjected to a price war by a larger competitor

  82. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:41 am

    Apparently there has been a mass shooting in the USA………..or was that last week ?

  83. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:51 am

    Apparently there has been a mass shooting in the USA

    I think you meant “another” mass shooting.

    It’s a sad truth, but is has just become blase

    and they can then be subjected to a price war by a larger competitor

    With or without the changes, that can/does happen.

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 10:52 am

    Deal is done, Greens have compromised on this, whereas they wouldn’t with the carbon tax previously, perhaps they’ve now learned that something is better than nothing.

    …Greens leader Richard di Natale said had he not done the deal, there would be no anti-avoidance rules coming into effect on January 1. He said it was better than nothing regarding multi-national tax avoidance but also “the start of the battle”.

    Greens Senator Peter Whish-Wilson said it was a difficult decision to give the government a $200 million threshold on non-disclosure for private companies and he would work from now onwards to lower that to $25 million…

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/greens-coalition-clinch-tax-avoidance-deal-20151202-gle1u2#ixzz3tD7888GK
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

  85. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:02 am

    “With or without the changes, that can/does happen.”

    Yes it does……….but in the example I give I could in theory work out EXACTLY almost to the day when the little guy’s cash will run out because I will know his breakeven

    Currently that cannot be done with such a degree of accuracy.

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:03 am

  87. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:04 am

    perhaps they’ve now learned that something is better than nothing.

    I think that is called putting lipstick on a pig 😉

    Of course, they could have worked with Labor to get a real outcome.

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:14 am

    Of course, they could have worked with Labor to get a real outcome.

    In that case, would anything have got up at all?
    Wouldn’t that just cause the libs to take the bill off the table and we end up with no legislation by default?

  89. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:14 am

    From the AFR

    “We’re confident we’ve kicked some goals today.”

    I think they spelt gonads wrong 😉

  90. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:27 am

    “I think you meant “another” mass shooting.”

    I think its time the App Store had a mass shooting App that you can open when the threat arises which allows you to automatically transmit your location, input number of shooters, input type of weapons being used, input number of hostages, input number of body bags needed, input number of ambos required, ………………

    Yes…….definitely a demand

    Who’s with me on this ?

    Lets Crowd Fund it

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:28 am

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:30 am

    Dumped minister to defect to Nationals

    DUMPED industry minister Ian Macfarlane is set to defect from the Liberals and join the Nationals party room under a deal orchestrated by Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce. The move would be the first defection under Prime Minister Malcolm

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:31 am

  94. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:31 am

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:37 am

    And now lets turn to the Weather………………………….

    14 dead, 17 injured in a centre for disabled people and you attempt to joke about it …

    Infkncredible …

  96. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:44 am

    “and you attempt to joke about it … ”

    Oh……DGFY………………..I’m actually pointing out that its just as common and simply garners barely an OMG due to its almost occurrence just like a weather report.

  97. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:45 am

    DGFY………………….means…………Do Go Fuck Yourself

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2015 11:58 am

    I think they spelt gonads wrong 😉

    How many labor seats are at risk to the Greens? Is there a direct correlation with the vitriol directed at the Greens by labor MP’s? [perhaps the MP’s most at risk]
    It only makes greens voters even more sure that they’ve done the right thing by shunning the duopoly 🙂
    IMO, more labor nastiness and bullying = more greens votes!

    And now lets turn to the Weather………………………….

    it’s raining blood

  99. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:05 pm

    “……it’s raining blood”

    Exactly…………………….they know what needs to happen but it aint gonna happen

  100. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:06 pm

    “How many labor seats are at risk to the Greens?”

    At least 2 in inner Sydney………Tanya P…..and Albanese

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:16 pm

    I don’t. Why should they be so special?

    Because they’re especially rich … ?

  102. The Walrus News Channel permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:21 pm

    “Because they’re especially rich … ?”

    So thats it ay ?

    I bet Siri on your mobile doesn’t even bother answering your stupid questions anymore

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:21 pm

    DGFY………………….means…………Do Go Fuck Yourself

    You need to explain yourself …

    Maybe its because I’ve been reading your attacks on people and twisted view of the world too long …

    Anyway seems I’m the only one here who misread your “irony” this time …

  104. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:48 pm

    I’m actually pointing out that its just as common and simply garners barely an OMG due to its almost occurrence just like a weather report.

    I initially read it as TB interpreted it, then remembered the who wrote it 😉

    s there a direct correlation with the vitriol directed at the Greens by labor MP’s?

    I’d say there is a direct correlation between the time invested building community support to the way the greens have, again, tramped through and achieved two tenths of fuck all … again.

    Just like their super capitulation.

    Because they’re especially rich … ?

    Hit it 4 6 🙂

  105. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 12:50 pm

    The above twit didn’t tweet correctly by the looks.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2015 2:17 pm

    STANDING UP FOR JOBS AND GROWTH. JERBS AND GRERTH.

    Too true!

  107. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2015 2:44 pm

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2015 3:08 pm

    “I think you meant “another” mass shooting.

    It’s a sad truth, but is has just become blase”

    According to the jeer squad anything other than blasé is “giving in” to the tewwawists.

    At least Obama has the guts to send them a strong message:

    “Next week, I will be joining President Hollande and world leaders in Paris for the global climate conference,” Obama said. “What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists it will be, when the world stands as one and shows that we will not be deterred from building a better future for our children.”

  109. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2015 3:41 pm

    “”At least Obama has the guts to send them a strong message:””

    He dwelleth in some far off fucking fantasy land.

    Meanwhile one of the shooters has been ID as devout Muslim Farouk Said………..

    …………..Oh dear I can hear some squawking of hawks coming from Capitol Hill

  110. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2015 3:43 pm

    Just dropped some documents off at a client and observed ex Premier Peter Beattie wandering the streets of Darlinghurst in a business suit……….

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 3:59 pm

    Premier Peter Beattie wandering the streets of Darlinghurst in a business suit……….

    WOW! How excitement!

  112. December 3, 2015 4:03 pm

    “”Peter Beattie wandering the streets of Darlinghurst in a business suit……….””

    Peter Beattie wandering the streets of Darlinghurst in {what he thinks qualifies as} a business suit……….

    There fixed it.

  113. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2015 4:31 pm

    “”WOW! How excitement!””

    Seriously………………….just go and fuck yourself again,.

    Eventually you might feel better you moronic crank

  114. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2015 4:37 pm

    “”what he thinks qualifies as””

    Yes………it was not exactly a finely crafted Italian job

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 5:00 pm

    Eventually you might feel better you moronic crank

    Nah …

  116. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2015 5:50 pm

    LOL

    Well keep trying

    Stare at the ceiling and think of Queen and Country…………..Do anything

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 7:11 pm

    More EXPENDITURE that needs to be cut …

    Dr Karl report ads cost more than $28m

    A controversial ad campaign to promote the federal government’s Intergenerational Report, featuring science guru Dr Karl Kruszelnicki, cost $28.2 million.

    The figure, outlined in a government report released on Thursday, represented more than a quarter of the entire government campaign advertising media budget of $107.1 million in 2014/15.

    It included $7.2 million on consultants and $21 million on media placement.

    The Intergenerational Report is produced every five years to assess how changes to Australia’s population profile affect economic growth, workforce and government spending over the next four decades.

    The campaign became controversial when Dr Karl embarrassed the government by describing the report as “flawed” and expressed “deep regret” that he had participated in the campaign without reading the full document.

    He welcomed the focus on science and innovation, but was critical of the way it underestimated climate change.

    Dr Karl received abuse on social media for doing the ads.

    The total government spending on advertising was slightly higher than the previous year, but $32 million lower than 2012/13.

    The biggest campaign was defence force recruiting, which cost $31.3 million.

    Originally published as Dr Karl report ads cost more than $28m

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/dr-karl-report-ads-cost-more-than-28m/news-story/0cc9bb459687995414a56823e30578cf

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2015 7:13 pm

    Nah …

    Meaning … why bother … you’re not worth the time …

  119. December 3, 2015 7:39 pm

    Dear asio and related spooks, l hear from my abc news, that while you were busy hoovering-up citizens phone, email and web-activity from skynet, china has sneaked into the national computer system. #stupid.cnuts

  120. December 3, 2015 8:07 pm

    blubbers,,,,one of the shooters has been ID as devout Muslim Farouk Said,,,,,

    #my abc reported it`s a husband/wife team, husband departed site angry earlier, returned with wife tooled-up, ,, may be another `workplace-relations` event, not tewwa

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2015 9:45 am

    Fair point.

    Why can nutcases obtain weapons so easily?

    Many years ago I was in the US (LA) and had a nutcase pull a gun on me, then you could just go into Kmart and buy one.

    Regardless of whether or not this is Islam related, f**king nutcases shouldn’t get guns.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 10:54 am

    Regardless of whether or not this is Islam related

    I think that’s the point, ToM … and most mass shootings aren’t religious anyway …

    Had to laugh about the christian and muslim god being different … ’cause their not … all three major religions worship the same god (Jews, Christian, Muslim) … just with a different twist … and ironically based on the jewish religion … all three are based upon Abraham …

    As I was writing that I was thinking about how nerve wracking having a pistol pointed at you is … only happened to me once – in PNG an expat I knew thought he was being funny … having spent a bit of time in the green machine I was not amused!

    In your case I suspect it wasn’t meant as a joke …

    The US is not a place to live …

    How the USA brings itself back from the brink is beyond me … but they have to try … banning all semi and automatic long barrel weapons would be first … making concealable weapons illegal unless licenced would be next … and finally licencing all weapons holders …

    It only makes it difficult for perpetrators but it will slow shooters down … and give folk window of opportunity to either fight back or run …

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 11:35 am

    The US is not a place to live …

    Then how come so many people want to migrate there? I have yet to see too many people wanting to live in Eastern Europe, China or too many other places other than the English speaking countries and Western Europe.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 11:50 am

    I guess some folk get it and some folk don’t …

    A model for Australia … fossil fuels are for fossil fools …

    In less than 10 years, Uruguay has slashed its carbon footprint without government subsidies or higher consumer costs, according to the national director of energy, Ramón Méndez .

    In fact, he says that now that renewables provide 94.5% of the country’s electricity, prices are lower than in the past relative to inflation. There are also fewer power cuts because a diverse energy mix means greater resilience to droughts.

    There are no technological miracles involved, nuclear power is entirely absent from the mix, and no new hydroelectric power has been added for more than two decades. Instead, he says, the key to success is rather dull but encouragingly replicable: clear decision-making, a supportive regulatory environment and a strong partnership between the public and private sector.

    As a result, energy investment – mostly for renewables, but also liquid gas – in Uruguay over the past five years has surged to $7bn, or 15% of the country’s annual GDP. That is five times the average in Latin America and three times the global share recommended by climate economist Nicholas Stern.

    “What we’ve learned is that renewables is just a financial business,” Méndez says. “The construction and maintenance costs are low, so as long as you give investors a secure environment, it is a very attractive.”

    It was a very different story just 15 years ago. Back at the turn of the century oil accounted for 27% of Uruguay’s imports and a new pipeline was just about to begin supplying gas from Argentina.

    But, perhaps, the biggest lesson that Uruguay can provide to the delegates in Paris is the importance of strong decision-making. As has been the case at countless UN climate conferences, Uruguay was once paralysed by a seemingly endless and rancorous debate about energy policy.

    All that changed when the government finally agreed on a long-term plan that drew cross-party support.

    “We had to go through a crisis to reach this point. We spent 15 years in a bad place,” Méndez said. “But in 2008, we launched a long-term energy policy that covered everything … Finally we had clarity.”

    That new direction made possible the rapid transition that is now reaping rewards.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/03/uruguay-makes-dramatic-shift-to-nearly-95-clean-energy

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 12:01 pm

    I guess some folk get it and some folk don’t …

    Thank you for the complement. The USA is a great place to live. People vote with their feet and the USA gets lots of immigrants every year. I have yet to see anyone who wants to migrate to Eastern Europe or China.

    You are just showing to me how dumb you are.

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 12:05 pm

    Dumb? Chuckle …

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 12:24 pm

    Dumb? Chuckle …

    Yep dumb.

    Your vote in 2007 trashed our budget, trashed our unemployment rate, trashed our borders and trashed other things too numerous to mention.

    Worse, you do not care.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2015 12:51 pm

    I’d be careful about saying the US is not a place to live. It’s too easy to be dismissive.

    Having returned from there a couple of weeks ago, I found the coast of California, Santa Monica, Venice etc to be among the most pleasant and relaxing places I’ve been for a while.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 12:58 pm

    I’d be careful about saying the US is not a place to live. It’s too easy to be dismissive. </I

    Well I've only been to Georgia and California … and I think the Yanks are great hosts … but very naïve about the world outside their borders …

    Visiting ain't living there …

    And I'm very biased … I'm one of those strange people who believe Australia is an incomparable place to reside …

    My one concern is the Americanisation of the Australian spirit … but then I'm not keen on royalty either …

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2015 1:55 pm

    Australia is a great place to live, but I’ve decided that California is a reasonable place as well.

    I can’t think of a country in Asia that I’d prefer, or Central & South America. I don’t think much of Africa is appealing, a few of the European countries are ok.

    So I think too many people are dismissive of the US, whereas I’d have it in the top 5 countries to live.

    For what it’s worth.

  131. December 4, 2015 2:15 pm

    “I’m one of those strange people who believe Australia is an incomparable place to reside …”

    Well Queensland certainly is. There’s just no comparison.

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 3:10 pm

    Visiting ain’t living there …

    I lived there for 6 years. I was terrified at first. But unless you are doing drugs or something like that it is like here.

    Washington DC had something like 300 murders/year when i arrived. But DC is very pleasant. All the violence happens in a very tiny area.

    The English speaking countries are the best countries to live in followed by Western Europe.

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 3:11 pm

    For what it’s worth.

    Just a different opinion, ToM, I’ve never been interested in surfing … f’rinstance …

    Well Queensland certainly is. There’s just no comparison.

    Too right! Queensland IS Australia, cobber …

  134. December 4, 2015 5:24 pm

    boo-of-melb,,,,,,Many years ago I was in the US (LA) and had a nutcase pull a gun on me, then you could just go into Kmart and buy one,,,,,,,

    #it`s a good thing kmart also sold `dry` trousers too, huh

    +

    #kmart has been joined by walmart in supplying disgruntled, non-onion workers with the correct `tools` for entering `workplace-relations` discussions.

  135. December 4, 2015 5:33 pm

    TB,,,,very naïve about the world outside their borders .. Visiting ain`t living there .. And I`m very biased .. I`m one of those strange people who believe Australia is an incomparable place to reside .. concern is the Americanisation of the Australian(#everything),,,,,,,,#DITTO

    #the cnut-struck teabags should just fcuk-off over there to live, instead of fcuking the joint up

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 5:59 pm

    #the cnut-struck teabags should just fcuk-off over there to live, instead of fcuking the joint up

    Most of the stuff ups in Australia have been caused by the ALP and its supporters.

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 6:05 pm

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVV00slUwAA3hHz.jpg:small

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 6:07 pm

  139. December 4, 2015 6:11 pm

    guardian,,,,,,,In less than 10 years, Uruguay has slashed its carbon footprint ###without-government-subsidies or higher consumer costs, according to the national director of energy, Ramon Mendez .

    In fact, he says that now that renewables provide 94.5% of the country’s electricity, prices are lower than in the past relative to inflation. There are also fewer power cuts because a diverse energy mix means greater resilience to droughts.,,,,,

    #Ha-ha, it`s good to see these small countries giving the teabags a sound arse-fcuking by following the Portugal model.

  140. December 4, 2015 6:21 pm

    limited.news,,,,,,,Of the 30,000-plus people killed by firearms each year in the United States, more than 11,000 of those are homicides. That means there are more than 30 gun-related murders daily.

    The San Bernardino massacre marked the 353rd mass shooting in America this year alone, according to the `Mass-Shooting-Tracker`, which defines a mass shooting where at least four people are either injured or killed.

    `You have 14 people dead in California, and that`s a horrible tragedy. But likely 88 other people died today from gun violence in the United States,` Everytown for Gun Safety`s Ted Alcorn told the New York Times.,,,,,,,

    #dog isn`t fixing this

    #and dog won`t be

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2015 6:24 pm

    That’s interesting Neil – 6 years in the US, so you would have more insight than anyone else that comments here, perhaps you should share this with the ignorant!

  142. December 4, 2015 6:39 pm

    l really don`t know why you bother kneel-zombie, the canberra teabags spend much time and effort `crotch-nuzzling` teh-usa and it`s dumb fcuking ideas, in the same manner you spend much time and effort crotch-nuzzling the teabags and their dumb fcuking ideas.

    #yaaaay.zombies

  143. December 4, 2015 6:43 pm

    l must say l`m glad to see that the mal-bro problem has shaken loose a teabag and caused it to `defect` to the teabumpkins.

    #yaaaaay.zombies

  144. December 4, 2015 6:49 pm

    boo-of-melb,,,,,,,That`s interesting Neil .. 6 years in the US,,,,,,,,

    AND HE CAME BACK!!!!

    INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO LIVE THE TEABAG WET DREAM!!!!

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 7:03 pm

    6 years in the US, so you would have more insight than anyone else that comments here, perhaps you should share this with the ignorant!

    It had a lot of similarities to here. Except there were no pubs. They had sports bars but the atmosphere was different to a pub. But there was an Irish pub i used to spend a lot of time in and and it was just like home. They had English soccer and International Rugby matches on television and real chips not fries. And of course Irish stew and lots of meals i was familiar with.

    Didn’t see many gun shops but i think in DC they may have been banned. And there were strip clubs everywhere.

    When i got there the internet did not exist so i had to subscribe to the Weekend Australian to get any news of the outside world. And i stayed up till 1AM to listen to the BBC world service on NPR radio.

  146. December 4, 2015 7:14 pm

    Yet you came back kneel-zombie, didn`t stay forever to live that teabag wet dream you peddle so hard.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 7:14 pm

    That’s interesting Neil – 6 years in the US, so you would have more insight than anyone else that comments here, perhaps you should share this with the ignorant

    Droll, in so many ways … pity Kneel won’t get it … but six years in the land of Nod explains so much …

    BTW, numbers communication are written up to double digits are written ie zero to nine then 10 onwards in numbers …

    I think you meant six not 6 …

    Thought you might like that bit of grammatical trivia … 😉

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2015 7:17 pm

    “””BTW, numbers communication are written up to double digits are written ie zero to nine then 10 onwards in numbers … “””

    I think I meant … numbers in communication are written as words up to double digits and then can be numbers eg 10, or, words, ten if you prefer …

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2015 7:43 pm

    He’s been there since about 1998, more than enough time at the trough, why can’t he go gracefully? Does he really think we enjoy listening to that voice? #addictedtopowerandentitlement

    Labor’s already campaigning for the next election, only trouble is, they’re carrying on like their political enemy is the Greens! Wrong way, go back!

  150. December 4, 2015 7:49 pm

    WHERE ARE MY ZOMBIES?

    My zombies are in hiding because, our very own teabag could not last living the teabag wet dream.

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2015 8:22 pm

    but six years in the land of Nod explains so much …

    What does it explain? Lots of Australians spend time working overseas.

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2015 11:53 pm

  153. December 5, 2015 12:33 am

    Just for dunny.

    On colbert-late-night, 42% of voters `likely` to vote repug prefer the-ronald #guffaw

    #fcuk it will be funny if trump ends-up with the repug `nomination`

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2015 8:37 am

    People that have lived in other countries are likely to have broader experience than those that have spent their lives relying on media reports of what’s happening.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2015 8:39 am

    various bits of nonsensical babble about teabags…. or something… does anyone read that crap?

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2015 9:37 am

    … does anyone read that crap?

    Yep … and all the rest … not that it makes any sense …

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2015 9:40 am

    People that have lived in other countries are likely to have broader experience

    That depends on the person, the experience(s) and perspective …

    I’ve lived in three countries and know that others have a different view of the same place …

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 10:46 am

    Pretty sure I’d never want a broad experience of this:

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 11:13 am

    Cabinet document reveals Turnbull Government under pressure to change industrial relations laws
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-04/document-reveals-government-under-pressure-to-change-ir-laws/7003758

    …The incoming brief for Treasurer Scott Morrison said increased workplace flexibility was “key”, and endorsed a report that is primed to recommend cutting Sunday penalty rates across a range of industries…

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2015 11:15 am

    That’s interesting AO. Do you ming elaborating a little?

    I’ve lived in the UK (Scotland) and Greece. Just as a matter of interest.

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 12:31 pm

    One weird thing about the USA was that they had drive-in ATM machines. When i first saw it i did not know what was going on. But yes, banks in the USA provide a service where you do not have to get out of your car to get some cash.

    I have yet to see that here.

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 1:48 pm

    I have yet to see that here.

    Do you think we need it?

    Didn’t see many gun shops but i think in DC they may have been banned. And there were strip clubs everywhere.

    How nice!

    That’s interesting AO. Do you ming elaborating a little?

    I think you’d find a lot more guns in the us than you would in the uk or greece tomM. I’m told you can find a gun store and a firing range easily, it’s fun! [my daughter was firing a big rifle on her holiday to the us]

    There is a gun culture that you just can’t deny and people are becoming militant and brazen about their right to carry arms [openly] egged on by the NRA.

    You only have to see the recent stats to know that easy access to guns is a problem, are you denying what the us president is saying?
    Ther’s something like 351 mass murders for this year alone, that’s a mass murder a day over there.

    Do you not find the above images frightening and confronting at all? You said that you had a gun pointed at you – you didn’t mind?

    Obama: US gun violence has ‘no parallel’ in the world:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/gun-culture-fuelling-mass-shootings-151203203054399.html

    …”We have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world,” Obama told CBS News in a televised interview after Thursday’s shooting…

    …According to a website that tracks gun violence in the US, this year there have been an average of more than one mass shooting – which claimed four or more casualties – per day throughout the country…

    Earlier this year, a report – which claims to be the first in-depth analysis of the US’ “exceptional” propensity for mass shootings in comparison to the rest of the world – found that historically the country had seen a disproportionate number of such attacks, “especially at school and workplace settings”…

    Unhappy at school or work, no supports because everyone around you is too busy meeting their own dog eat dog work demands? Being bullied? Get a big gun and wipe out as many people out as you can, make them feel your pain!

    Australia wants to emulate american culture, the libs can’t wait to get there with their attacks on penalty rates and workers. Workers gotta be productive and competitive to the point of despair, crisis and insanity, the corporations demand it.

    …Lankford’s report “Mass Shooters, Firearms, and Social Strains: A Global Analysis of an Exceptionally American Problem” also cited numerous studies that linked the country’s high societal pressures to the public attacks.

    Perpetrators often target strangers who they view represent systems that have mistreated them.

    The report quoted Robert Merton, the late prominent sociologist, who once said: “The American stress on pecuniary success and ambitiousness for all thus invites exaggerated anxieties, hostilities, neuroses and antisocial behavior.”…

    No, I don’t think the US culture of competition, wealth accumulation, extreme rampant capitalism and US as world superpower is all it’s cracked up to be and I don’t think we need to be in lockstep with them. We’ve got the pollies here who get all misty eyed over the aussie flag, anzac glorification and our ‘culture/values’ which need to be maintained at all costs, yet they are doing their level best to change it beyond repair into a mini US with their economic policies and corporate subservience

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 1:52 pm

    What about that aussie baseballer who went to the US for fame, money and sporting excellence and ended up becoming the target of their gun sport?
    Gunned down while jogging on the footpath.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/17/bored-oklahoma-teen-gets-life-in-prison-for-killing-australian-baseball-player/

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2015 1:56 pm

    From KL’s link …

    “Australian society expects to be able to shop, go to a pharmacy, and eat at cafes and restaurants on weekends,” Productivity Commission chairman Peter Harris said.

    So why do politicians, fat cats and bureaucrats only go to work Monday to Friday then … for $200,000 to $500,000 + pa I’d expect to be able to see them all working 24/7 … the ADF does on much lower pay scales and certainly poorer conditions … and many people work 12 hour shifts …

    Life’s hard in Canberra … they even have to travel away from home to work … JUST LIKE THOUSANDS OF AUSTRALIANS DO!

    What happens when pay drops so low that people stop buying stuff? Or stop borrowing from the blood sucking banks … and the banks own all the property?

    The economy will fail as more is sucked out of it by this Vacuum Up Economics concept misleadingly referred to as Trickle Down Economics …

    The Productivity Commission is a farcical, Liberal stacked, incompetent body, with one intention – to keep disguising Workchoices as increasing “productivity” … productivity meaning profits for The Robber Barons …

    Endorsed heartily by Liberals and Smiley Turncoat …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2015 2:06 pm

    Australian society expects to be able to shop, go to a pharmacy, and eat at cafes and restaurants on weekends,” Productivity Commission chairman Peter Harris said.

    And of course they still can … no-one is stopping them …

    … if a business owner can’t do due diligence re pay and conditions for staff and incorporate them into his/her business plan then they shouldn’t be in business …

    A bit like a government that can’t formulate policies to help ALL society not jus a lazy, greedy few … or one that fucks up an NBN for pure ideology that would create greater productivity, or one that sees flogging fossil fuels over renewable energy and killing wind and solar industries to subsidise mates in the coal industry …

    Short sighted and thick as fkn bricks!

    Next they’ll have us shovelling horseshit off the roads like our great grandparents did …

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 2:40 pm

    So why do politicians, fat cats and bureaucrats only go to work Monday to Friday then … for $200,000 to $500,000 + pa I’d expect to be able to see them all working 24/7 … the ADF does on much lower pay scales and certainly poorer conditions … and many people work 12 hour shifts …

    Me too. They seem to think that their week-ends and holidays are valuable for some reason.

    When the parliament is open and MP’s working 7 days, finance sector, business and tradies are all working weekends as normal hours [without extra remuneration, no call out fees] then they can ask everyone else to do the same.

  167. December 5, 2015 2:41 pm

    A comment from over at The Guardian…

    You know what I think the problem is?

    Not guns, not religion: stress. The world has become so unbelievably more stressful over the past twenty years that people everywhere are just going over the edge.

    From widespread depression to obesity to Black Friday hideousness to road rage to ice addiction to Richard Dawkins destroying his reputation on Twitter to frothing abuse on public transport to cops shooting black kids even when they know they’re probably being filmed to never-ending war to vile young men chopping people’s heads off on camera, I really believe that stress is the cause. It is driving us crazy.

    Of course it manifests itself in different ways, and everyone has to make an excuse – often after the fact. Religion is, of course, the best of the lot, since it spells it out in black and white, and bugger the fact that Bronze Age ethics don’t make the cut in 2015. Then there’s xenophobia, of course (and how often the two go hand in hand).

    We – none of us – were made for these times. As much as we’d like to, the human brain can’t assimilate this rate of change. Yet there’s no way of stopping it. It’s as unthinking and rapacious as the massive corporations that push it.

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 2:59 pm

    Australia wants to emulate american culture, the libs can’t wait to get there with their attacks on penalty rates and workers.

    The Libs want to cut some penalty rates so that more people can be employed. There are businesses that cannot open because of penalty rates.

    And the USA is an OK place to live. Millions of people want to live there. Not too many people want to leave. Lots of people want to leave Eastern Europe and China.

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 3:09 pm

    Not guns, not religion: stress. The world has become so unbelievably more stressful over the past twenty years that people everywhere are just going over the edge.

    I agree. I’m in a job where I see the health problems in the community. The anxiety, stress and pressure on people to perform and survive their working demands has them on medication to numb them through daily life. Children and adolescents are on anti anxiety & anti depression meds in order to cope.

    Isn’t that telling us something about our society?

    Easy access to guns makes it more dangerous for others when someone can’t cope with their situation. What about the self harming? Rather than killing others, people abuse drugs and alcohol, their families and then the final solution – suicide. None of this gets much attention, it’s all about the winners, the 1% who have helped destroy the ‘good society’.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 3:12 pm

    The Libs want to cut some penalty rates so that more people can be employed. There are businesses that cannot open because of penalty rates.

    No one is making them open are they?

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2015 3:31 pm

    The FBI is investigating the massacre of 14 people in California by a married couple armed with assault rifles as an “act of terrorism,” officials said on Friday, noting the wife was believed to have pledged allegiance to a leader of the militant group Islamic State.

    Did someone here say this was about workplace relations?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/san-bernardino-shooting-fbi-treating-california-massacre-as-act-of-terrorism-20151205-glg9jz.html#ixzz3tPwj3SJW
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  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 4:25 pm

    No one is making them open are they?

    Well people are trying to find ways to increase employment. I would have more respect for the opinion of lefties if they employed people without using taxpayers money.

    Penalty rates are a big obstacle to employing people. In fact that is why they were introduced. They were brought in to stop people working on the weekend so people could spend time with their family.

    But the penalty rates business wants to remove is for part time workers in the hospitality industry. Not for full time workers who work overtime on the weekends.

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 5:16 pm

    Did someone here say this was about workplace relations?

    Initially they thought it could be because of an argument at the work xmas party, who knows if that didn’t play a part in it anyway?

    But…there’s been other workplace murders in the US, it’s not like it doesn’t happen.

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 6:07 pm

    In fact that is why they were introduced. They were brought in to stop people working on the weekend so people could spend time with their family.

    That’s how important family time was to society then, if people had to sacrifice weekends, they were compensated for it.

    Now they want people to give their family time away for free.

    And that was back in the day when only the male worked. On his sole wage he could buy a house and support a family, have a BBQ, a beer and a bet on the horses. Most kids went to public schools and finally, when gough got in, they could pay medical bills without sending the entire family broke or put dad into jail when he couldn’t pay for chronic illness. Life was simple and people worked hard. The bosses paid for a fair days work and there wasn’t such a huge disparity between the pay of employers and employees either.

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 6:53 pm

    And that was back in the day when only the male worked.

    So you want to go back to the 1950’s/1960’s?

    But business is talking about part-time workers getting double and triple time when they only work on Saturdays and Sundays eg University students after some part-time work

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2015 6:59 pm

    When someone is posting their loyalty to ISIS, there is more to the mass murder than a workplace grievance.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 8:25 pm

    When i lived in the USA it was clear that it was a society that worshiped the car. I remember walking home a different way one night and the sidewalk ran out and became another lane of the highway. Having said that DC has the cleanest train network i have ever seen. I never saw any train with graffiti on it. I think this was because it was relatively new and most of the system had to be built underground. But most people drove to work.

    But DC has the best cycle network i have ever seen. Every Sunday for 6 years we went bicycle riding and never ran out of somewhere new to visit. One Sunday we rode from Bethesda to George Washingtons house all on cycleways. A distance of 50kms.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2015 8:35 pm

    Last sentence in, sreb’s, quote above … nails it …

    It’s as unthinking and rapacious as the massive corporations that push it.

    Robber Barons bleeding society in every way possible physically, mentally, emotionally … every part of our life decisions based on how much money can be made from it …

    I prefer to live in a society, not survive in an economy!

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 9:17 pm

    Robber Barons bleeding society in every way possible physically, mentally, emotionally … every part of our life decisions based on how much money can be made from it …

    And nowhere is that rapacious corporate culture more dominant, more heralded and more predatory than in the US. We know why they hate unions, they are the only people who will stand up and fight against corporate power. It has always been a class war and the corporations have won, they have more power than governments, we’re just waiting for the death blow.
    Why make it easy for them by giving in to their insatiable greed and accepting the ridiculous notion that if everyone gives up their penalties, there will be more jobs? There won’t be, just more profits for the few and more and more demands on workers wages and conditions.

    The only winners are those who will turn their backs on it all.

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2015 9:36 pm

    But business is talking about part-time workers getting double and triple time when they only work on Saturdays and Sundays eg University students after some part-time work

    I’m more concerned about the workers getting ripped off and not being paid what they should. Who is getting triple time? There’s a lot of adult uni students who support children too, they need the jobs to survive and complete their education. Not everyone has a rich parent to pay their course up front and buy them a nice house to live in, these are the ones who don’t need to work week-ends, they can spend their free time actually studying!

    Ever heard of business making claims through the media to try and justify their behaviour and prosecute a desired agenda? Then you might notice the pollies who are owned by business doing what they’ve been told start loudly singing the same song and chorus, ramping up the politics of envy. The next thing you know we’ve all been done over.

    Are people really that stupid?

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2015 10:53 pm

    There’s a lot of adult uni students who support children too, they need the jobs to survive and complete their education.

    But that is the point some people are making. Because of penalty rates there are no jobs.

    At the moment business is talking about people in the hospitality industry. Not people who work Mon-Frid and are then forced to work on the weekend.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2015 1:13 am

    At the moment business is talking about people in the hospitality industry. Not people who work Mon-Frid and are then forced to work on the weekend.

    You’re gullible if you think they won’t force people to do so once the door is opened for it. It will be work these days or you don’t have a job!

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 3:28 pm

    And I thought, Kneel, understood uni … what do you a uni student does Mon to Wed (and Sat & Sun).

    You don’t just spend time “being at uni” …

  184. December 6, 2015 3:28 pm

    boo-of-melb,,,,,,People that have lived in other countries are likely to have broader experience,,,,,,,

    #bullshit, `broader` ignorance maybe

    boo-of-melb,,,,,,I’ve lived in the UK (Scotland) and Greece.,,,,,,

    #so has cory bernadi (lived off-shore)

    #yet you, kneel `and` cory have managed to NOT learn a damn thing on many topics

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 3:28 pm

    Especially in Russia …

  186. December 6, 2015 3:32 pm

    “”Isn’t that telling us something about our society?””

    Yes it certainly is.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also behind the increasing prevalence of domestic violence..

    People expected to work longer hours for less, while the pollies who are supposedly elected to represent us and our wellbeing are off travelling the world (with their families), writing books, staying in the best hotels taking helicopter jaunts and flights in private jets, while the rest of are slogging our guts out. Young people terrified of missing out on getting a start in the property market taking on million dollar mortgages and then coming home to a diet of trash TV like the Batchelor or the Block where the most insidious, materialistic and shallow people bitch and backstab each other in the hope that they may make a few bucks.

    Is it any wonder that domestic violence is on the increase when talentless, manufactured “”celebrities”” like Paris Hilton and Katy Perry are promoted as role models for others to emulate and boofheads like Shane Warne and Sam Newman are considered national heroes – and the celebrity lifestyle is considered something to aspire too. How not surprising that the sort of mindless morons who subscribe to those aspirations suddenly find their tenuous relationships start fracturing and Barbie starts blaming Ken for not delivering the Penthouse apartment on Bondi beach despite all the effort she went to what with her size 10 figure and peroxide blond hair-do and perfect body tailored just for you after hours in the gym and pilates classes.

    That’s the whole problem with today’s society. It’s all me, me, me, look at me and my fabulous lifestyle (that I can’t afford), but that’s ok, I’ll buy now and pay later, because it’s all about immediate gratification, and who cares about anyone else, as long as Ken and Barbie can drive around Sydney in a convertible and look down on other people because at the end of the day they know (think) that they’ve “made it” and you haven’t.

    And really that’s all that matters. Isn’t it.

  187. December 6, 2015 3:54 pm

    my-abc,,,,,,,,Labour market flexibility remains key to the economy adapting to challenges and opportunities in the future,” the powerful Treasury department argued,,,,,,,,

    #Labour market flexibility remains key to the economy OF FREE-TRADE DUMPING adapting to challenges and opportunities in the future,” the powerful Treasury department argued

    #fixed.it

  188. December 6, 2015 4:02 pm

    my-abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,Income per person (real per capita national income) will not recover to 2011-12 levels until 2017-18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  189. December 6, 2015 4:15 pm

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Whether it’s with WorkChoices or other IR reforms .. it`s always about cutting penalty rates, cutting the minimum wage and making jobs less secure.,,,,,

    #yep

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,(#teabags)notion of labour flexibility is one-way flexibility, which is effectively cutting conditions of employment for 11 million Australian workers.,,,,,,,,

    #yep

    #l hope `our` red-hot repugs that are also breeders would not be silly enough to accept a `republic` without the right to citizens unfettered access to long-barrels, scopes and ammo, it may be the only way your grand/kids can effect `workplace-relations` in the decades ahead

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 4:59 pm

    And really that’s all that matters. Isn’t it.

    Could not agree more, sreb …

    And that’s why we don’t want to become USA Light … shallow is the word I would use … superficial …

    I bet if you looked at news.com.au now you’d see all sorts of “opinion” on how you should/could live your life in the fast lane … ’cause Freddie’s only 19 and he’s a multi millionaire … but the truth is …

    There may be the occasional lucky break .. but no-one hears about the thousands of young people who lose years and sometimes their lives looking for the “big break” … instead of planning and the steady slog towards goals … (even now I set myself a five year plan) …

    And the one thing none of us can ever recover – is time … and trust me – it goes very, very quickly … and is very precious!

    Softly, softly catchee monkey … said the tortoise to the hare …

  191. December 6, 2015 5:47 pm

    reb, l agree with you on the `trash-tv`, property-price, trough-snouting pollies and friends, and deteriorated sub-prime employment duress, but disagree on the conclusion.

    Years ago johnny was a plumber, and billy was a welder, `low-risk` jobs.

    Later, they pursued `high-risk` jobs, johnny-farnham sang, billy connelly comedy and movies.

    Today, young-folk are told to engage in `high-risk` job-paths, get several `degrees` at uni, plus a healthy `hex-debt`, then work for `free` as an `unpaid-intern` to gain `valuable-experience`, all for rock-bottom, minimum starting-pay, eventually, one-day, hopefully, until replaced with an even cheaper 457-slave.

    The quick, fast, `lotto-win`, big payout if ya`have the `talent` option is no longer seen as the `poor-choice` when compared against what is now offered/demanded. The trashing of regular jobs is driving this.

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2015 6:12 pm

    Apparently people that remain at home in their isolation are more worldly than people that have removed their backsides from the couch and lived outside AUSSIE!
    Yep. Stay home and have an informed opinion on everything

  193. December 6, 2015 6:42 pm

    l know, it`s terrible. l have a blog-buddy with a similar problem and believes everything he is told in his tinfoil-cubicle-bubble is `workable` and has no blow-back .. #teabags

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 6:59 pm

    tbagz … there’s nothing wrong with a degree … in fact people with degrees are likely to earn more over a life time than those without … not all tradies earn six figures … ask any motor mechanic … the scenario you paint demonstrates a basic ignorance (in the true sense of the word) in the opportunities available to HS graduates …

    (Note: FYI, I have my original trade indentures hanging in my study alongside my degree …)

  195. December 6, 2015 7:16 pm

    TB,,,,,,there`s nothing wrong with a degree,,,,,,

    #never claimed there was teebz

    tb,,,,,people with degrees are likely to earn more,,,,,,

    #true, provided there will `actually` be a job that will be there, not free-traded away, remember, all these recent `pacific` free-trade agreements with 457-visa options will mean aussies will be competing with china/india for that `engineering` job, in a similar manner some aussie nurses will have no hope in working at some hospitals/medical-centres as the `indian` owners/agents have brought-in their `own` people.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 7:55 pm

    tbagz … the current “buzz” acronym is STEM … if you know anyone with a teenager looking for a uni degree …

    Science
    Technology
    Engineering
    Mathematics

    They are considered to be the future development areas for … wait for it … humanity!

    If the projection for 2050 is 9 billion human beings on planet Earth then STEM is the way to hopefully deal with what’s needed …

    At the QUT Mathematics Dept. earlier this year I was told that the real breakthrough has been computers (ie STEM) and mathematicians can now model their theories to help science, engineering, IT, medicine … in days rather than years …

    We truly live in exciting times … and dangerous! One slip and we are all gone!

    The Minister for War Water Finance & Fun and I have become big fans of The Walking Dead … when we realised that the show (like Falling Skies) is how human beings need to adapt and utilise to survive …

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2015 8:27 pm

    Stay home, on the couch!
    Don’t bother with a qualification!
    Just “””” ###make inane comments### “”””””””

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 8:29 pm

    Chuckle …

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2015 8:32 pm

    George Brandis has accused his former cabinet colleague Ian Macfarlane of “gaming the system” and keeping local branch members in the dark about his defection plans when he was re-endorsed just two weeks ago.

    The attorney general and leader of the government in the Senate said Macfarlane was improperly trying to force Malcolm Turnbull to bring on a cabinet reshuffle by swapping from the Liberals to the Nationals in a scheme that had “left a very bad taste in people’s mouths”.

    LOL!!!

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2015 8:40 pm

    And that’s why we don’t want to become USA Light …

    People vote with their feet. There are millions of people who want to live in the USA and very few people who want to leave.

    Like all countries it has its problems.

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2015 8:43 pm

    Union chiefs John Setka and Shaun Reardon may face up to 15 years in jail after being charged with blackmailing concrete company Boral in the most significant development to emerge from the royal commission hearings into union corruption.

    Of course there’s nothing in this, another beat up!

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfmeu-boss-john-setka-arrested-for-alleged-blackmail-20151206-glgnd4.html#ixzz3tX3e7GXY

  202. December 6, 2015 9:12 pm

    TB,,,,,,the current “buzz” acronym is STEM,,,,,,

    #once we get past teh`buzz` and `generics` we actually get `crickets` from the pollies on what jobs they won`t free-trade-fcuk (specifically)

    #it also assumes india/china aren`t STEMming to, #hint, they are, and miles ahead

    TB,,,,,if you know anyone with a teenager looking for a uni degree,,,,,

    #actually l know the reverse, my torie neighbor`s son was going to go to uni, he loves planes and wanted to work on`em (engineering/maintenance) as he doesn`t want to live/work off-shore he has dumped that idea, computers too, as both jobs going off-shore, now looking to be a plumber, as it`s part of the most `essential-service`, can`t be shipped off-shore, also no hex-debt ,, ,, torie-dad flippin`out, but l think the kids on the correct track ,, after-all, with these `hex-debts` from a `pay-to-play` education system ,, where is the students `certainty` of a `return-on-investment` with all the free-trade/457-dumping

  203. December 6, 2015 9:41 pm

    An update for team-nanny-roxon.

    l`m lighting-up, yesterday a couple of mates came over for a catch-up, one a smoker, has left me a decent `sample` and half pack of tally`s. Yes, it`s nanny-free. Yes, it`s quite good for roll`ems. Yes, 40/pack will get blib over the line.

    #yaaaaay.team

  204. December 6, 2015 11:35 pm

    ,,,,15 years in jail after being charged with blackmailing,,,,,,

    #seems excessive

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 12:00 am

    ***,,,,15 years in jail after being charged with blackmailing,,,,,,

    #seems excessive***

    Yeah, you’d think they would have to go to court and be found guilty first, hey?

    Pretty expensive too @ $80 million … when a complaint and police investigation could have done the same job …

    Does not justify the RC at all … blackmail is a criminal offence no matter what you do for a living …

  206. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 8:48 am

    Apparently people that remain at home in their isolation are more worldly than people that have removed their backsides from the couch and lived outside AUSSIE!

    Well, that depends on if you home is an “isolation”, or a vibrant place open to new experiences and differing viewpoints of itself, doesn’t it?

    It is also assuming that someone who has traveled has actually opened themselves to see the world as it is, rather than simply parse it through their rose tinted lenses.

    Considering some people CANNOT travel, yet remain more open and inquisitive that others who do travel but do so with their eyes wide shut, I just see that as another remarkably cloistered remark from a “worldy” singularity.

    another beat up!

    Most probably, since all the others have been.

    So, let me get this straight, a union official is threatened with jail (again) for allegedly organising a boycott over an industrial dispute, with a company that flaunted safety so badly that several people have been killed as a result.

    #yaaaaay.team

    What, that they haven’t stopped a fucken idiot from killing itself illegally? Who cares. But they are stopping kids from lighting up, which is what they are designed to do, and is far better an outcome than preventing acts of stupidity to continue.

    Yeah, you’d think they would have to go to court and be found guilty first, hey?

    No, better to keep the intimidation happening, and arrest a guy on trumped up charges in front of his family. And they wonder why we call ’em ‘pigs’?

  207. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 8:53 am

    only trouble is, they’re carrying on like their political enemy is the Greens!

    I hate to break it to you ao, but they are. Someone on your side wouldn’t sneak off in hte night and blow 2 years worth of work in trying to get the best outcome just so they can pretend relevance. They sold out, for pure ly political headlines.

    Nothing wrong with that in essence, they ARE a political party. But just remember, that is ALL they are, a political party, quite happy to trash good policy for their own political ends.

    When they start taking some responsibility for where we are in regards to the worlds worst climate action and immigration, then I might start taking them seriously, until then, they are just poseurs, as corrupt and underhanded as the rest.

    But in an 11th-hour deal, branded a “sellout” by Labor, Greens leader Richard Di Natale agreed a deal in which only private companies with revenues over $200 million would be forced to disclose their tax.

    The tax affairs of up to 300 companies will be published later this month but 600 other business owners – many of who retain the privacy benefits of being grandfathered – breathed a sigh of relief.

    Bradbury’s landmine had exploded but up to two-thirds of its targets, in the end, escaped the blast.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-disclosure-exemptions-for-australias-richest-preserved-in-11thhour-deal-20151203-gleqqc.html#ixzz3ta1kVG1a
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  208. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 9:14 am

    This was always a major problem with the libs attack on Unions, good to see Labor getting into gear.

    Labor also argues aggravated penalties should be reserved for officials in paid positions who were responsible for decisions about the financial management of employee and employer organisations, to avoid discouraging volunteers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/07/shorten-unveils-tough-union-governance-measures-ahead-of-royal-commission

    And

    BARRIE CASSIDY: So 50 ideas and you finish up with an approval rating of 15 per cent. Why would that be?

    BILL SHORTEN: Well, if you look at where we started this year to where we finished, we’ve ended up with a new prime minister and that in large part’s because of the pressure that Labor put on Tony Abbott’s unpopular policies.

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2015/s4366856.htm

    plus a good explanation of the lib/nat/lib turmoil.

  209. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 9:24 am

    I prefer to sit on my couch, and not visit other countries.

    I prefer smoking, and being uneducated while I’m at it.

    I also prefer #### and “”””””

  210. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 9:24 am

    Yes, they are only allegations, but wtf is it with the AFP addressing a meeting like this in the first place

    Questions have been raised about the appropriateness of a federal police officer attached to the unions royal commission speaking at building forums organised by the Master Builders Association of the ACT.

    The construction union alleges a police sergeant, at one meeting in October, told businessmen that Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union officials were all criminals and urged them to sign enterprise agreements with the MBA.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/questions-raised-over-police-conduct-on-union-taskforce-20151204-glfoe4.html#ixzz3ta8h2qE7
    Follow us: @canberratimes on Twitter | CanberraTimes on Facebook

    Considering the long list of question marks over the AFP’s behaviour in highly political situations, culminating with their sudden alacrity to investigate slipper at the behest of ..? Well, not Graham Perrett that’s for sure, and not for lack of him trying.

  211. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 9:29 am

    I prefer to sit on my couch, and not visit other countries.

    Again, you miss (deliberately) they point

    What if it isn’t a preference?

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 9:49 am

    If people travel and take the trouble to see cultures for themselves-
    1. They probably are more likely to be predisposed to absorbing and understanding the culture – because they are looking for experience
    2. No amount of reading, watching documentaries looking at on line clips can replace the “vibe”

    That’s not being critical of people that CANNOT travel, but it is being critical of people that DON”T BOTHER to.

  213. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 10:02 am

    That’s not being critical of people that CANNOT travel, but it is being critical of people that DON”T BOTHER to.

    That I can live with 😉

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 10:27 am

    …Questions have been raised about the appropriateness of a federal police officer attached to the unions royal commission speaking at building forums organised by the Master Builders Association of the ACT.

    They don’t even bother to pretend that the state forces work for the community any more, they are forces designed to protect business, wealth and their representatives, the government, from us.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 10:38 am

    But TR’s point about actually attempting to look deeper into the culture other than the tourist veneer is important …

    One of my weaknesses is being interested in how people do things … all things … and so I’ll go out of my way to talk to “ordinary” folk … that’s why I’ve reached the conclusion (after visiting over thirty countries) that 99% of human beings want to live a comfortable life, watch their children develop and improve and enjoy the company of family and friends** …

    And a reminder every weakness is a strength!

    ** We are losing this basic is Oz (the West) because everything is now driven by making money … at any expense …

    An example of that is weddings … tens of thousands of dollars – that could be utilised for a deposit on a home …

    The Minister and me … no money, baby on the way, married in the local Methodist hall … reception at the British Ladies Club (Mum was the President), hop in the 360cc Honda Scamp … two minute drive to our flat … get on with life …

    Honeymoon … 24 years later on the Nile … (it’ll 48 years next year) …

  216. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 10:48 am

    That’s why having workers’ representatives monitoring safety matters. Last month, when a concrete slab crushed two men to death on an East Perth worksite, it transpired that the CFMEU had been refused entry to the site sixteen times.

    But fighting to save workers lives from unscrupulous bosses get’s you arrested in this country at this time.

    Puts those images of the Santos sponsored police vehicles into perspective, doesn’t it AO?

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 10:53 am

    Found this article at the AIMN talking about the education of the current govt

    http://theaimn.com/born-to-rule/

    The government has three Rhodes Scholars: Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull, and Angus Taylor. Two more ministers have degrees from Oxford University: George Brandis QC, and Josh Frydenberg, who has the added distinction of a master’s degree from Harvard.

    Two other MPs also have master’s degrees from Harvard, among the seven MBAs, two MPAs and four PhDs on the government benches. Two more have masters of philosophy from Cambridge.

    Fulbright scholar Greg Hunt has an MA from Yale. Former WA treasurer Christian Porter has an impressive four degrees. And he’s a backbencher.

    But i found this interesting

    Three government MPs are medical doctors, including Dr David Gillespie, a gastroenterologist who won independent Rob Oakeshott’s old seat of Lyne. He is also a farmer, one of 16 in government.

    There are also teachers, bankers, journalists, engineers, research scientists, economists, small business owners, a shearer, a carpenter, a wool classer, an air traffic controller and even a crocodile catcher.

    Now that is what you want in a govt. People who have had a range of careers. I would suspect most ALP politicians would have a less broad range of work experience.

  218. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:05 am

    I would suspect

    Alternatively, you could have read further down the page you linked to 😯 ❓

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:09 am

    The central demand of the CFMEU was that Boral stop supplying concrete to Grocon. They’ve admitted this and paid damages, they have provided an enforceable undertaking – to ensure they don’t repeat the behaviour.

    Now the police might prosecute the individuals who engaged in the action and made the (allegedly) illegal threats.

    What’s the problem with that? Or is observance to the law optional for union officials?

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:12 am

    What does that mean neil?

    That those who go overseas to get the ‘better’ degrees, business owners, the wealthy and those with contacts, the elites, manage to get into positions of power and influence over the rest of us?

    All of those people would have been members of either a union or an ‘association’

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:15 am

    Alternatively, you could have read further down the page you linked to

    I have not checked by i suspect current ALP politicians have a less broad range of work experience than Coalition politicians. The people “down the page” were members of the Hawke govt.

    Most current ALP politicians appear to be ex Union leaders or lawyers. Very few people appear to be from working class backgrounds.

    But the Coalition has this

    There are also teachers, bankers, journalists, engineers, research scientists, economists, small business owners, a shearer, a carpenter, a wool classer, an air traffic controller and even a crocodile catcher.

  222. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:18 am

    What’s the problem with that?

    A bloody lot, start with this

  223. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:18 am

  224. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:21 am

    And just how brave is malcayman?

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:34 am

    ..But TR’s point about actually attempting to look deeper into the culture other than the tourist veneer is important …

    I think so too. you can travel widely but still not immerse yourself in the culture. How much of a culture/country can you really gauge from a 5 star hotel, fine dining establishments and the organised tourist routes or shopping districts with people paid to bow and scrape to you and your every whim?

    I would also think that visiting the USA, the UK or even Europe is hardly going out of your ‘western’ cultural comfort zone.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:47 am

    Puts those images of the Santos sponsored police vehicles into perspective, doesn’t it AO?

    When I was working in Atlanta (the home of Coca Cola) … one of the high schools had a Coca Cola Day – Coke sponsored the school – and the kids were to turn up in their Coke sponsored T shirts … now this is s high school remember … one of the kids turned up in his Pepsi shirt and was immediately banned for three days …

    Land of the free? Sponsored anything is very dangerous …

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 11:56 am

    I see Chrissy Pyne and Milkum Turncoat have discovered CDs … December 7, 2015 11:18 am

    … wait till someone tells them about DVDs! And gawd forbid MP3s and MP4s!!!!

    Do they know how the internet works? Do they know about the internet?

    Even Alan Kohler says the Innovation Package will get more oratory than money …

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 12:14 pm

  229. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 12:36 pm

    YEAH!!

    Why should unions have to comply with laws???

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 12:41 pm

    Broken public service leads to broken governance:
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/broken-public-service-leads-to-broken-governance-20151205-glg8y1.html#ixzz3tawom1k2

    …The plain fact is the Libs neither like nor trust the public service, the last bastion of the hated union movement. They’ve largely given up the practice of having many of the jobs in ministers’ offices done by people on secondment from their department.
    They’ve been replaced by young bossyboots hoping for a career in politics, who know more about partisanship than policy and are more inclined to listen to lobbyists.
    Add to this the annual, deeper, across-the-board cuts in departmental budgets – ironically known as “efficiency dividends” – and you end up making many policy experts and repositories of corporate memory redundant.
    The result is that many departments are weak on policy – there was a time when officers in Finance knew where each department’s bodies were buried – and have to call in expensive consultants, who act like they know more than they do. The part of Treasury responsible for tax reform has lost a third of its staff…

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 12:43 pm

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    December 7, 2015 12:46 pm

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    December 7, 2015 12:59 pm

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    December 7, 2015 1:02 pm

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    December 7, 2015 1:07 pm

  236. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:07 pm

    Why should unions have to comply with laws?

    What’s the strike rate for this friggin commission of corruption again?

    Lomax, CFMEU raid, and Setka previously with that tool who told everyone he was stabbed.

    And, if they want to charge a Union official for “blackmail” when the official was making no personal gain and only trying to save workers lives, which is far more than grogon was doing, then go for it, make a further fucken fool of themselves.

    They were enforcing a union black ban in the context of a long-running industrial dispute: it’s because of that they face up to fifteen years in jail.

    To put the penalty in perspective, note that in 2013 a wall collapsed on a Grocon construction site, killing three people on Swanston Street. Grocon accepted responsibility – and paid a $250 000 fine.

    https://overland.org.au/2015/12/black-bans-and-blackmail/

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:10 pm

    mmm North Bondi SLSC charges ~$600/year in fees

    YEAH!!

    No one has $600 a year for being a member of a valuable, community oriented club with a great, healthy social environment.

    People are much better off putting their $12 a week into pokies, beer and cigarettes. Although that might cost more like $120 a week – still worth it!!

  238. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:12 pm

    because that’s what an “agile” govt does.

    Not agile enough to get rid of brough though it seems 😉

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:15 pm

    and only trying to save workers lives engage in illegal and unethical action to win an industrial battle they had lost in FWA , lost in the courts, lost in the filed (the employees didn’t support the CFMEU)

    There – fixed it for you!

  240. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:39 pm

    illegal and unethical action

    I think you need to fix up your fixes yomm

    it hasn’t been deemed illegal, and as for unethical, if you think profits should come before lives, then perhaps you could argue it was unethical

    #justsayin’

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:41 pm

    Prof Iain Chubb:

    …The jewel in the crown to me is the select committee on innovation, we’ve never had anything so close to cabinet/government before.

    …We’ve been negligent as a nation in supporting our teachers and getting science into our schools…

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:48 pm

    Ok. The CFMEU just coughed up all those $$$$$$$ for nothing.

    They gave Boral an enforceable undertaking because they do that for everyone

  243. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:54 pm

    Look out, crims on the loose

  244. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 1:55 pm

    Today’s announcement the Liberal government will return some of the CSIRO’s funding under the cover of an “innovation” policy ignores the reality that the Abbott-Turnbull government has slashed $3b in support for science, research and innovation since the 2013 election.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/economy/3b-cuts-in-science-research-and-innovation-papered-over-in-turnbull-sleight-of-hand/

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2015 2:04 pm

    Now if only the RC wasn’t constrained by it’s ToR, if only they could look into business behaviour and actions. We might see more headlines of interest.

    When you have a one-sided inquiry you only get one side of the IR picture.

  246. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 2:12 pm

    Now if only the RC wasn’t constrained by it’s ToR

    And its biased commissioner 😉

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 2:17 pm

    that the Abbott-Turnbull government has slashed $3b in support for science, research and innovation since the 2013 election.

    That sounded a bit high so i read the link. The first sentence said this

    After cutting almost $200m over four years from CSIRO activities, including Data61, Malcolm Turnbull now appears to expect applause for returning half that amount today,

    And i suspect that some of those cuts were Rudd/Gillard govt cuts.

    Still i am a believer in surplus budgets and if we cannot afford it we should not be funding things.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2015 2:19 pm

    Yeah!! Criminals never breed

  249. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 3:17 pm

    Yeah!! Criminals never breed

    Your mother will be disappointed to hear that 😉

  250. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 3:28 pm

    With all this innovation talk, the press have even looked closer at just how agile the nobn is

    The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us. Instead the Coalition’s NBN will be so slow that it is obsolete by the time it’s in place, it will cost about the same as Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises NBN, and it won’t arrive on our doorsteps much sooner.

    By my reckoning, we didn’t get a good deal.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-nbn-why-its-slow-expensive-and-obsolete-2015-9

    (filed under NoShitSherlock)

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 4:13 pm

    The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us

    And i am sure that is true. Gee i wonder who Rod Tucker votes for?

    The NBN has been a disaster from the beginning but Labor signed all these contracts so there is nothing we can do.

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:14 pm

    The NBN has been a disaster from the beginning but Labor signed all these contracts so there is nothing we can do.

    Oh, no they didn’t … no copper in the original plan … Labor’s plan …

    Wonder who actually did the Cost Benefit Analysis for Talcum … didn’t he “invent” the interwebby and isn’t he a very experienced businessperson … just with his own money!

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:21 pm

    Wonder who actually did the Cost Benefit Analysis for Talcum …

    Turnbull was handed Labors NBN. He changed it a little bit by changing it from FTTP to FTTN to make it cheaper but it is still Labors NBN.

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:30 pm

    He changed it a little bit by changing it from FTTP to FTTN to make it cheaper but it is still Labors NBN.

    Turncoat changed it COMPLETELY! Not a little bit.

    What dopes would buy and REPLACE copper wire in 2015!

  255. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:35 pm

    “We might see more headlines of interest.”

    To those interested in covering up for the Unionland-Bikie cartel. No wonder Rortin’ Shorten and the ALP voted against union reform. Can’t have the crooks actually disclosing what benefits they get from their dirty deals!

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:40 pm

    What dopes would buy and REPLACE copper wire in 2015!

    People trying to save money. Fact is nobody knows how much Labors NBN was going to cost.

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:41 pm

    Very much like the Coal Mining-Big Business- Liberal Cartel, hey! … 😉

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:48 pm

    People trying to save money.

    I’ve got news for you, Kneel … the disaster that Turncoat has left behind will cost this country BILLIONS commercially … lives put at risk medically … and put our children behind the knowledge eight ball globally …

    You can have the best railway engine in the world … but you won’t move any packages without a streamlined rail system …

    You can have the fastest computers in the world … but without a superfast optic fibre system you won’t move packets of data and information quickly enough …

    “Ya can lead people to thought but ya can’t make ’em think”©2000 …

  259. Walrus permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:52 pm

    What is wrong with Bill Shorten ?

    According to the Lefties on here he is attempting to fix a problem that the Lefties claim does not exist…………..

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/labor-unveils-union-anticorruption-plan/news-story/f27e7d1f4f64c059190c10a47afb200b

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 7, 2015 5:53 pm

    The NBN was a fuck-up from the start. Labor promised a $5bn plan. But their tender failed. Then Underpants Conroy got on a plane with Rudd, and on the back of a napkin they nutted out the NBN. That was Telstra’s luckiest of days. $11bn for nothing.

  261. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 6:03 pm

    lives put at risk medically

    Yeah right. So Doctors are going to be doing surgery by NBN?

  262. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2015 6:07 pm

    No wonder Rortin’ Shorten and the ALP voted against union reform

    Yes, because it was unfair and unjust.

    that the Lefties claim does not exist…………..

    Do you have a link for that? I’ve said quite regularly that Unions, like any organisation, will attract its fair share of crooks’n’cranks. But having volunteers in an organisation face the same penalties as business directors is just plain stupid.

    Labor also argues aggravated penalties should be reserved for officials in paid positions who were responsible for decisions about the financial management of employee and employer organisations, to avoid discouraging volunteers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/07/shorten-unveils-tough-union-governance-measures-ahead-of-royal-commission

    But their tender failed.

    Another way of putting it is howards fuck up with telstra made anything unworkable. Labor worked around that, and mragility went and brought them back in and fucked it all over again.

    We are now paying as much for a copper nobn as what Labors fiber NBN was going to cost (from the NBN’s own figures nil)

  263. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 6:17 pm

    Another way of putting it is howards fuck up with telstra made anything unworkable.

    What? So Labor lied in 2007? This was Labors 2007 election policy. It was going to cost $4.7B and be finished by 2013.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2015 7:17 pm

    The NBN was a fuck-up from the start.

    And for the last two and a half years? No mention of Milkum Turncoat?

    Ya can’t keep blaming Labor for Liberal’s BS and fuck ups … …

    mragility went and brought them back in and fucked it all over again.

    And more recently Optus … so that’s the whole original Telstra shebang!

    What a fkn mess …

    Adults in charge? More like the Kindergarten Kids … bloody hopeless …

    Yeah right. So Doctors are going to be doing surgery by NBN?

    Ignorance becomes you, Kneel … and I doubt you’ve ever been out of Sydney …

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 7, 2015 7:34 pm

    Ya can’t keep blaming Labor for Liberal’s BS and fuck ups … …

    We are stuck with the NBN whether it is FTTP or FTTN. Labor signed contracts which cannot be broken.

  266. December 8, 2015 8:09 am

    boo-of-melb,,,,,,I prefer to sit on my couch, and not visit other countries,,,,,,

    #says the guy that claims he gets paid about a decades wages.p.a

    #to the guy on struggle street living the junk-job nightmare, that the overpaid know-nothing gargles so stridently for from within his tinfoil-cubicle-bubble,

    #dumb-fcuk doesn`t even realize `off-shore-recreational-travel` is a fcuking luxury beyond the reach of many

  267. December 8, 2015 8:21 am

    team-cheerer,,,,,,,concrete slab crushed two men to death on an East Perth worksite, it transpired that the CFMEU had been refused entry to the site sixteen times,,,,,,

    #it doesn`t end there team-cheerer, on the east-coast, grocon dropped a wall on 3-kids, killed`em, there has been at least 3-trench collapse deaths, several scaffold collapses (these don`t even make the news now-a-days) and a couple of crane collapse/partial

    #not that it would make any difference to `our` resident dumb-fcuk, that will continue his onion-panic, and frightened of the cmfu2, even tho it`s corporations killing and maiming people, some of them kids

  268. December 8, 2015 8:39 am

  269. December 8, 2015 8:50 am

    Ha-ha, l see the nbn is being screeched about again.

    l found it quite amusing watching talkbull try and peddle `innovation` on reportland, and `sales` telling him she asks the questions, when talkbull started tap-dancing when the copper-class nbn was raised. The teabags squashed heaps of `innovation` in the past, (and no l don`t need a `degree` to comprehend this) causing the inventors to go off-shore. This `innovation/stem` talk-points the zombies peddle is bullshit, you can`t CUT your way to invention, invention-consumption/adoption, or brain-drain-reversal, just as history shows air-superiority will win the war and you can`t bomb your way to peace.

  270. December 8, 2015 9:40 am

    They`re touting blib at 14% on my abc, but l remember,

    roy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull 76% (up 6% since a special snap SMS Morgan Poll on September 15, 2015) is even more heavily preferred to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten 14% (down 10%) as ‘Better PM’ than he was at the time he became Prime Minister just over a month ago according to a special telephone Morgan Poll conducted over the last three nights of October 20-22, 2015.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6518-better-prime-minister-turnbull-shorten-october-2015-201510230321

    #it`s not like it`s a `new` high for blib, l have every confidence in blib `soaring` to 9%

    +

    correction,,,,,,,,,,,,just as history shows air-superiority will NOT win the war and you can`t bomb your way to peace,,,,,,,,,,

  271. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 9:54 am

    The 7.30 interview last night was pretty good by Sales. She had an agenda with lots of ground to cover, and didn’t let malcaymanaway too much.

    It must have been frustrating for him, as of course he just wanted to talk innovation, which is refreshing to say the least, but he must have also expected the other questions, they have been big news all last week. He looked decidedly shifty trying to evade them like that.

    As for the innovation initiative, I can’t comment on the detail, but, as I said, it is long past time. Good to see him taking a lead from Labor like that 😉

    Meanwhile, the crooks are all out in force today.

  272. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:02 am

    Of course, the fact that malcayman talks innovation and agility doesn’t show he knows what it is

    Is rebuilding a fibre network with copper for the same price as the initial fibre network “agile” or is it “innovative”?

    Sales was right to highlight the NBN. If turnball wants to be taken seriously about tech, he needs to show us his record.

    And it doesn’t look pretty.

    I would have liked Sales to have gone harder with turnbulls bull, but, it was a vast improvement on past outings. Or was malcayman just that bad?

    Either way, he is being called out for it today

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull appears to have made a statement on national television which may have been factually inaccurate regarding the National Broadband Network, claiming on 7:30 tonight that the cost of remediating Telstra’s copper network was not ten times the amount originally estimated, despite evidence to the contrary.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2015/12/07/our-prime-minister-may-have-been-factually-inaccurate-on-730-on-nbn-copper-costs/

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:19 am

    Sales was right to highlight the NBN.

    Do you ever admit you are wrong? You were wrong about the car subsidies. The NBN is a ALP disaster from the beginning which we are now stuck with.

  274. December 8, 2015 10:29 am

    As if you`d know dumbo, you can`t even tell us why you didn`t stay in teh-usa and continue living the teabag wet-dream.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:36 am

    Yep, I bet the magistrate will be impressed that there’s a protest rally.

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:48 am

    you can`t even tell us why you didn`t stay in teh-usa

    I wanted to come home. I am an Australian not an American. Anyway my working visa had expired.

  277. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:00 am

    It’s not for the magistrates consumption yomm, it’s for the medias.

    Mr Setka slammed the royal commission into trade unions and said the federal government was “trying to turn us into Nazi Germany”.

    He also criticised the way police arrested him. He was pulled over while in his car with his children, he said. This was met with cries of “disgrace” from the crowd.

    He also hit out at construction companies Boral and Grocon.

    He said Boral was an “anti-union company”, and that 14 workers had died on Boral work sites in the past decade.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/victoria/protesters-shut-down-melbournes-court-precinct-to-support-cfmeu-boss-john-setka-20151207-glhywz.html#ixzz3tgO8Dk5N
    Follow us: @brisbanetimes on Twitter | brisbanetimes on Facebook

    Guess we wait until March before the magistrate laughs this one out too. 😉

  278. Walrus permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:17 am

    “He also criticised the way police arrested him. He was pulled over while in his car with his children,”

    Yeah……………….considering he’s such a nice bloke

    “The criminal history, which includes his fingerprint classification and a jail number, shows that Mr Setka was found guilty multiple times for indecent language, assault by kicking, assaulting police and wilful trespass.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rap-sheet-reveals-60-charges-for-would-be-union-boss-john-setka/story-fn59niix-1226460322445

  279. December 8, 2015 11:28 am

    smh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,politicians and public servants have forgotten how to govern. In particular, the public service has lost much of its policy expertise .. including its memory of what works and what doesn’t,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #this is spot-on, it`s the americanisation of things, l`ve worked at several places that went belly-up over the years, `operational-memory` or `company-memory` lost because they chased away their own work-force, no surprise really that it`s infecting govt at multiple levels/places

  280. Walrus permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:31 am

    “In particular, the public service has lost much of its policy expertise .. including its memory of what works and what doesn’t,…….”

    But perhaps its because they are sick all the time

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/public-servants-chuck-22-sickies-a-year/news-story/92a6f2bc090b36ee42886d8ee4b85db5

  281. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:39 am

    considering he’s such a nice bloke

    Yea, so cops should be the same hey?

    Mr Setka said yesterday the majority of the charges came from heated exchanges on picket lines and in the name of defending union members.

    So, it’s not like he has gone out of his way to be a thug. As the police presence today showed, there is plenty of opportunity for violence at these things. You gotta fight, for your right, to safety!

    And the way he was arrested just proves that the “pigs” quite often are the ones doing the provoking.

  282. December 8, 2015 11:40 am

    ha,,,,,,,,I wanted to come home,,,,,,,,,

    #so at the end of the day, `you` couldn`t hack the teabag wet-dream, yet you peddle it non-stop, once again, one of `our` teabags can`t walk-the-talk and is a hypocrite,

    AND THE OTHER DUMB-FCUK THINKS THIS ONE IS `CLEVER`

    #our teabags have an endless supply of stupid

  283. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:44 am

    But perhaps its because they are sick all the time

    I wonder how much the likes of yabots choice Michael Lawler’s years of sickies throws those results out?

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:49 am

    What the f***k??

    Someone returns home after years overseas, and this results in criticism from a barely literate dolt…

    * Promotes the tobacco industry
    * It was a workplace relations incident
    * Thinks travel narrows the mind and isn’t worth the cost
    * Thinks higher education is a waste of time
    * Don’t blame the people that deliberately shot the aircraft down with a missile

  285. Walrus permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:51 am

    “So, it’s not like he has gone out of his way to be a thug.”

    Oh Yeah…………assaulting Police or “pigs” as you like to call them is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn normal……………………..as is being charged with theft and theft by deception…………………a truly model citizen.

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 8, 2015 11:57 am

    #so at the end of the day, `you` couldn`t hack the teabag wet-dream

    Not sure what you are babbling on about. In the profession i was in you are expected to spend some time overseas. Anyway i missed my family and i have to look after my parents. And i am not an American.

    And the English speaking countries are the best countries to live in followed by Western Europe.

    I don’t see too many people wanting to migrate anywhere else.

  287. December 8, 2015 12:34 pm

    Hey, dot-points of delusion, the zombies `innovation/stem` talk-points are crap, as in a con, which if you had life experience beyond your tinfoil cubicle bubble you would understand, watch and see, this is the equivalent of `direct-action`.

    +

    my.abc press-club, oh-fcuk, `toolman` is the `incoming-boss`

  288. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 12:52 pm

    a truly model citizen.

    Who ever said he was that?

    I’m saying he is not as bad as wrap sheet shows, for the reasons shown.

    Unlike cops, who are “supposed” to be “model citizens”, but, as actions like they did arresting him as they did, they bloody well are not.

  289. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 1:06 pm

    A union leader has been caught red-handed using effective negotiating tactics against a large construction company.

    CFMEU boss John Setka was charged with making threats against Grocon with intent to improve working conditions. Such behaviour is apparently punishable by up to 10 years in jail.

    The charges are vindication for the Royal Commission into Trade Unions, which has been searching for 18 months to find a union leader who has negotiated effectively on behalf of workers.

    Labor leader Bill Shorten slammed the union’s behaviour. “When I was the head of a union, we never would have negotiated effectively with an employer.”

    Mr Shorten said that the union boss should have had a quiet word with Grocon management and then taken a small payment for the union in return for selling out the worker’s interests. “That’s how I used to do it – and, remember, I got a clean bill of health from Dyson Heydon.”

    In 2012, a scaffold at a Grocon building site collapsed, killing three workers. Nobody from the company has been charged over the deaths.

    Read more at http://www.chaser.com.au/2015/union-boss-charged-with-using-effective-negotiating-tactics/#u2qMwE9wZ1xTmEli.99

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2015 1:21 pm

    • Dot points = bad

    ##### = good

    “”””””babble”””””= also good

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2015 1:24 pm

    • Supports bizarre conspiracy theories = good
    • Supports tobacco industry = good
    • Supports people who shoot missiles at aircraft = good
    • Against higher education = good
    • Against trave = good
    • Supports staying home and posting stupidity = good

  292. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 1:47 pm

    • Supports travelling and posting stupidity = good

    What a broad church you run here reb 😉

  293. December 8, 2015 2:12 pm

    “”What a broad church you run here reb””

    Isn’t it just.

    Where do these ppl come from?

  294. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2015 2:46 pm

    Where do these ppl come from?

    WHAT!

    The’re peeple?

    I thought they were all bots like me?

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    December 8, 2015 4:43 pm

    Is Rebbitology still active?

    Now that’s a movement that could really take on ISIL …

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 6:28 pm

  297. December 8, 2015 7:03 pm

    “”Is Rebbitology still active?””

    Yes, but only “the saved” know about it.

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    December 8, 2015 7:20 pm

    Whew!

  299. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 7:37 pm

    Child abuse royal commission: Victoria Police admits ‘Catholic mafia’ covered up allegations of abuse
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-08/victoria-police-covered-up-allegations-of-abuse-inquiry-told/7010442

  300. December 8, 2015 7:45 pm

    Ha-ha, `our` dot-point teabag is swallowing the team-inno-stem guff, along with TB.

    Prediction. For the next 11-months talkbull will `reheat` the zombies using `inno-stem` pozi-talk, which will deprive the greenz of oxygen and aid blib in shedding seats until the next election. This will keep teabag-media `swooning` for talkbull, not blib. All the while really accomplishing `not-much`.

    Yes the `innovation`-speak is bullshit, as the ground-work has not been done, `re-phoenixing` hasn`t/won`t be stopped, so fledgling and small businesses will still keep going under caused by shonks like `builder/developers` that defraud and sink `innovation` businesses, plumbers (recycle/reclaim water) electricians (solar/renews). Neither has the ato ground-work been done, which will continue to harpoon sardines, while setting the `whales` free.

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 8:12 pm

  302. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 8:53 pm

    Stan Grant: ‘Black Australia is a foreign place and I feel like a foreign correspondent in my own land’
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/08/stan-grant-why-after-years-of-foreign-reporting-im-now-turning-my-focus-on-to-my-own-people?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Parents investigated for offshore tax evasion
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/parents-investigated-for-offshore-tax-evasion-020353713.html

    …The ATO has contacted more than 100 parents, which have paid private school fees from overseas bank accounts, as part of its investigation into offshore tax evasion.
    It follows the ATO’s offshore disclosure initiative, Project DO IT: disclosure offshore income today.
    “The net is closing for people who think they can avoid their Australian tax obligations by holding money and assets offshore,” ATO deputy commissioner Michael Cranston said in a statement…

  303. December 8, 2015 8:55 pm

    MORE TEABAG FAILURE

    age,,,,,,,,,vocal ABC critic Andrew Bolt is set to star in a new ABC series about the recognition of indigenous Australians in the constitution. .. will appear in a documentary under the working title I Can Change Your Mind About Recognition, set to screen in 2017.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    age,,,,,,,,,,,,The “provocative” one-off documentary will receive funding from Screen Australia.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    CAN`T WALK THE TALK, TAXPAYER FUNDED!!!!!

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:02 pm

    More from the ‘no-sniping’ PM-in-exile.

    Tony Abbott: I would have won the next election
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-i-would-have-won-the-next-election-20151208-glifg7.html#ixzz3tj45jcAU

    These are the issues that should get a RC, not political stitch-ups like IR.

    The Ever Growing, Gut-Wrenching Case For A Royal Commission Into Disability Abuse:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/12/08/the-ever-growing-gut-wrenching-case-for-a-royal-commission-into-disability-abuse/

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:16 pm

    ## the illiterate dig themselves “””””””” deeper”””””””” into the hole####

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 8, 2015 10:56 pm

  307. December 9, 2015 12:21 am

    smh,,,,,,,,,Tony Abbott has fired a broadside at the plotters who brought him down, defiantly declaring he would have led the Coalition to a victory at the next election. .. and said his first budget was fine.,,,,,,,,,#ROFL

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:43 am

    Ha-ha, `our` dot-point teabag is swallowing the team-inno-stem guff, along with TB.

    WTF are you prattling about …

  309. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 8:11 am

    Everything (?) is on the table??

    Well, every permutation of a GST increase it seems, but little else. You know, the GST that Labor were belittled for attacking because i wasn’t happening. Remember that one churnos?

    “Everything” is a lot less than it used to be.

    Eight options for tax reform – including six GST options and two Medicare Levy proposals

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/everything-is-on-the-table-leaked-coag-agenda-reveals-gst-changes-being-considered-20151208-gli766.html#ixzz3tlXjpUhL
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  310. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 9:18 am

    C’mon churnos, do your job, and complain again about Labor jumping the Shark, you muppets

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2015 10:08 am

    These right wing warriors who are loudly anti ABC or anti-govt. on most days, don’t mind taking the taxpayer coin whenever they get the chance. I’m looking at andrew bolt, freedom boy, gerard henderson, the IPA and the murdoch disinformation machine here.

    As if bolt is going to go into such a documentary in a genuine way, he’ll see it as an opportunity to self aggrandise and propagandise in his usual deceptive way..

    I’m worried that Aboriginal people are going to be even further insulted, if that happens, I do hope they forget about being polite and lay into bolt, take some skin!

    I’m not sure that the other documentary, the climate change one with nick minchin did anything much to change minds, but it did show up minchin’s reliance upon discredited non-experts, misinformation and outright falsehoods to back up his denial ‘evidence’.

    To me, it gives the convicted racist an equal platform to fuel more division.

    I suppose once it’s over, he can’t keep saying he’s being silenced and his free speech is being censored and he has no ‘voice’ [other than his nationalised TV, radio and newspaper opinion pieces 🙂 ].

    Andrew Bolt corporation? Columnist to take part in ABC documentary
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/08/andrew-bolt-corporation-columnist-to-take-part-in-abc-documentary

    …The ABC confirmed Bolt would appear in the one-off independent documentary, I Can Change Your Mind About Recognition, in which two people with opposing views on the topic travel the country and debate the issues. Bolt’s sparring partner remains unknown…

  312. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:01 pm

    I suppose once it’s over, he can’t keep saying he’s being silenced and his free speech is being censored and he has no ‘voice’

    ya think?

    I mean, he said i back when he appeared on Insiders almost weekly. A little thing like that won’t stop him whinging the same shit he’s been whinging all these years.

    And yes, shame on the ABC for allowing a convicted racist to have any voice in a documentary about Indigenous peoples. You can have differing sides of stories without giving a proven liar and racist another shot in the limelight. If their IS a differing view, can’t they find someone who is NOT repulsive as well? bolts views have already been proven invalid in a court of law. But theirabc wants to give them ANOTHER go.

  313. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:20 pm

    ya think?

    Says the man TomR who voted for a govt who locked up 2,000 kids. And who did nothing when the rapes,murders and abuse was happening until Abbott was elected.

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:33 am

    Dementia at 23 … ? I don’t think so …

    Either he did … yes … or he didn’t … no …

    What a bunch of scheming, lying, deceitful bastards the tories are …

    I don’t remember asking for diary: Roy

    One of Malcolm Turnbull’s ministers has defended helping a former staffer to ex-Speaker Peter Slipper who came to him with sexual harassment allegations.

    Assistant Innovation Minister Wyatt Roy says James Ashby was in tears as he showed him text messages he’d received from Mr Slipper.

    When asked about Mr Ashby’s recent claim he was given a piece of paper from the minister which included an instruction to copy Mr Slipper’s diary, Mr Roy told Sky News on Thursday: “I don’t remember that specifically”.

    Labor MP Nick Champion said there were now two senior Liberals – Mr Roy and Special Minister of State Mal Brough – with serious questions to answer.

    “They shouldn’t be allowed to dance through media interviews with sort of glib lines like `Well, I can’t remember,” he said.

    “That doesn’t really cut it”.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/i-dont-remember-asking-for-diary-roy/news-story/05f193ff24897fd5add791b696ba3feb

    “I don’t remember”, FFS … I do hope the “piece of paper” turns up …

    Infkncredible!

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