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Tony Abbott lectures Islam: calls Western culture “superior”

December 9, 2015

 

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Former PM Tony “there will be no backgrounding or sniping” Abbott has delivered a sermon from the pulpit slamming Islam and warning of a “clash of civilisations” unless Islam undergoes what he calls “global reform.”

In a wide ranging interview with Sky News Abbott declared that “all cultures are not equal and, frankly, a culture that believes in decency and tolerance is much to be preferred to one which thinks that you can kill in the name of God, and we’ve got to be prepared to say that.”

During his 40 minute patriarchal rant, the former failed priest and self-professed devout catholic ignored the widespread failings of his own chosen religion – currently playing out in the Courts in the form of a Royal Commission into Child Sex Abuse within the catholic church – with his friend and mentor George Pell playing starring role.

While calling for a religious revolution within Islam and asserting the “superiority” of Western culture, it escaped Mr Abbott’s attention that a similar revolution may be required within the ranks of the catholic church.

Let he who is without sin.

Hardly renowned for self-reflection, Abbott took the opportunity to defend his own record as PM insisting that his government’s first budget, handed down by the treacherous Treasurer, “Smokin” Joe Hockey, was in fact – despite mass public outrage – “right and justifiable.”

“Now all of these things, I think, were justifiable and right,” he said.

“Obviously, in the circumstances of the aftermath of that budget, they struggled, but nevertheless they were all very defensible policies and I’m happy to continue to defend them.”

Mr Abbott has previously described the Opposition and Senate crossbench as “feral,” and said they needed to ask themselves why they did not pass the measures.

“What was so wrong with allowing our universities the freedom that they need to be the best in the world?” he said.

“What was so wrong with seeking a modest co-payment for visits to the GP?

“What was so wrong with saying that we are going to adjust the indexation method for pensions beyond the next election?”

The fact that these policies were widely rejected by the electorate seems lost on him.

However it’s to Mr Abbott’s credit that he insists on defending them as this simply reminds everyone why he had to go.

Mr Abbott also revealed in the 45-minute interview that he still had not made up his mind about retirement saying he had received “thousands and thousands” of messages urging him to remain in Parliament.

“I certainly haven’t resolved it,” he said. “I said back in mid-September that I would be talking to family and friends over the Christmas period.

“I have literally thousands and thousands of messages of support and encouragement.

“If I stay on in public life is a vocation, if I may say so; being a member of Parliament, including a backbench member of Parliament, is a noble and an honourable calling.”

I guess that high paying job offer in the private sector never eventuated.

 

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220 Comments leave one →
  1. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2015 10:33 am

    During his 40 minute patriarchal rant, the former failed priest and self-professed devout catholic ignored the widespread failings of his own chosen religion – currently playing out in the Courts in the form of a Royal Commission into Child Sex Abuse within the catholic church – with his friend and mentor George Pell playing starring role.

    We’ve just heard about the ‘Catholic Mafia’ in the police force refusing to allow any investigation into priestly paedophilia. The same Catholic mafia exists in our political system [both sides], no wonder nothing was done about it and people suffered for decades.

    Separation of powers, the church, state and legal systems, appears to be non-existent, just fine lying words spouted to the peasants so they won’t revolt against their installed rulers, while their whole time is spent entrenching the collusion and corruption of those powers against the populace.

    Just fkn go abbott, there is no public appetite for more bare-faced lying, plotting another govt overthrow or revenge politics, not many liked you before you savaged your way into power.

  2. December 9, 2015 10:36 am

    “”Just fkn go abbott””

    Yes, that’s basically it. And probably what Talcum’s thinking too.

    But it is quite entertaining having him rant and rave from the sidelines. It must be tough coming to terms with irrelevance.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 10:36 am

    You bet you are … you bet I am … shit happens … —————————————————— …

    Don’t want to be picky but ( 🙂 ) was it a 40 minute interview or a 45 minute interview?

    This is a reasonable summary of the Dabiq “prophecy” … first mentioned here a few months ago by, sb …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/the-apocalyptic-prophecy-behind-islamic-states-death-cult/news-story/e28d3e633341c2db7f7c1e8d3f957f2b

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:05 am

    … the former failed priest, failed prime minister and self-professed devout catholic …

    🙂

    Actually, I think The Mad Abbott (he is isn’t he! LOL!) should hang around … imagine the damage he could do before and during the next election!

  5. December 9, 2015 11:15 am

    chortle…

    Greens leader Richard Di Natale told Sky News Mr Abbott was an embarrassment on the world stage.

    ‘He’s an incredibly divisive, destructive force within the Australian political landscape

    ‘The sooner Tony Abbott disappears from the Australian political scene, the better for him, the better for the Australian community,’ Senator Di Natale said.

    Labor MP Ed Husic said politicians need to think carefully before making potentially divisive comments about one part of the population.

    ‘What they are saying to the public is that if you are of the Islamic faith, you are being hard-coded against Western values, which is garbage,’ Mr Husic told Sky News.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/12/09/abbott-not-ready-to-retire-from-public-life.html#sthash.p9uLji3G.dpuf

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:20 am

    For some reason, on my daily constitutional this morning, it crossed my mind that the catlik system is actually set up to assist the kiddy fiddler priest … and any other wrongdoers …

    … reconciliation (confession), call it what you will … involves spilling ya guts to a priest about wrongdoing (or what you consider wrongdoing – and there’s an important point), the priest absolves you … and tells you to wander of and do penance … ten hail Mary’s or whatever …

    The problem with that, is the old fall back … “the flesh is weak” … ad infinitum nauseum it seems …

    So it seems are the cardinals, archbishops, bishops, priests and deacons! And until the current Pope they were too …

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:37 am

    Societies that tolerate stoning of adulters, whipping of rape victims, cutting hands of thieves, execution of gay men…well excuse me! But I kind of prefer the one we have here.

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:39 am

    ‘He’s an incredibly divisive, destructive force within the Australian political landscape

    Good . That means he is doing his job.

    Anything that causes you leftie deadbeats to be upset is a good thing.

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:42 am

    …These radicals are why I profess the superiority of our culture. You would never see a Western civilisation being led by a tyrannical, bloodlusting relic from a forgotten time convinced of the undeniable infallibility of their own worldview and their blessed place on this Earth above their common man. That hasn’t happened since I left office.”

    While roundly criticised for his claims, Abbott protested that you had to admit the superiority of Western cultures on certain issues.

    “I think that’s fair to say. Some cultures are calling for killings. That’s terrible. Western culture wouldn’t do that except for the thousands of times it has and the times it still is now around the world.

    “Still, killing is so brutal and Western civilisation is beyond that. We don’t order to kill. We just slowly oppress you until you can’t live…

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:48 am

    Why do you people keep mentioning the guys name? If you want him to go away do not post about him.

    But go Tony. Anything that gets the lefties upset is a good thing.

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:53 am

    …For some reason, on my daily constitutional this morning, it crossed my mind that the catlik system is actually set up to assist the kiddy fiddler priest … and any other wrongdoers…

    That’s why they had an influx of paedophiles as priests, it was seen as a safe haven for their crimes and they could operate freely knowing they had the authority of the church for protection from any prosecution.

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:58 am

    Gee, employers wouldn’t be able to do that surely?

  13. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:13 pm

    ut I kind of prefer the one we have here.

    You mean the ones that simply bugger children?

    BUT

    speaking of death cults, I found this podcast fascinating. A brief look into the mechanics of the running of daesh

    When ISIS takes control of a town, they also take control of its businesses and its economy.

    Today on the show: We examine a budget that got smuggled out of ISIS territory. We hear what it’s like to live under an ISIS regime, including where people keep their money, how taxes get collected, and a $50 dollar candy bar.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/12/04/458524627/episode-667-auditing-isis

  14. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:21 pm

    “You mean the ones that simply bugger children?”

    No I think he means our one is better than this one…………

  15. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:22 pm

    Or this one………….

  16. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:23 pm

    Or this one

  17. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:25 pm

    “Egypt’s president opened the new year with a dramatic call for a “revolution” in Islam to reform interpretations of the faith entrenched for hundreds of years, which he said have made the Muslim world a source of “destruction” and pitted it against the rest of the world.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/egypt-president-revolution-islam_n_6436734.html?ir=Australia

    So what did Tony Abbott say………………….?

  18. December 9, 2015 12:36 pm

    “”Muslims do not need a Western cultural supremacist like Tony Abbott to tell them what Islam needs.””

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/muslims-dont-need-western-cultural-supremacists-to-tell-them-what-islam-needs-20151208-glj0d9.html#ixzz3tmclYrSa

  19. December 9, 2015 12:40 pm

    This just gets better and better…

    “”ABBOTT SLAMMED AS A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY”””

    http://linkis.com/www.afr.com/news/zNwKQ

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:45 pm

    Does anyone seriously think that any of the Islamic countries would tolerate a Royal Commission to expose the institutionalised abuse?

    Can we learn anything about tolerance of diversity? Or promotion of gay rights? or women’s rights ?

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:48 pm

    It might be contentious to point our the cruelty of some judicial and cultural practices in Islamic societies, it might be clumsy
    .. but that doesn’t make it incorrect.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:49 pm

    …and which parts of Islam would people.recommend we adopt?

  23. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:49 pm

    “”ABBOTT SLAMMED AS A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY”””

    By Bill Shorten…………….Yawn !

  24. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:51 pm

    “…and which parts of Islam would people.recommend we adopt?”

    Yes……………Something like this would look good at each airport

    http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/003/592/thumb/Screen_Shot_2013-05-21_at_12.33.58.png?1369136226

  25. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 12:55 pm

    We could adopt the Saudi model.

    Clearly its superior to our Western ways

  26. December 9, 2015 1:38 pm

    “”Tony Abbott belongs to a church that condemns homosexuals and refuses women the right to control their fertility. And he’s calling for a reformation in Islam?””

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/09/tony-abbott-you-do-know-you-belong-to-a-church-that-has-not-reformed-dont-you?CMP=share_btn_tw

  27. December 9, 2015 1:41 pm

    from the link above…

    Our church thinks nothing of having a couple of hundred old, celibate male bishops tell the rest of us about the “proper role” of sexuality in a relationship, or what it is to be a good parent, or what a child needs in a family. How many of those guys have even been on a date in their lives, much less know what it is to live in a sexual or family relationship?

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 1:51 pm

    Yep, and some of their abhorrent habits are under the microscope by a Royal Commission, because we have a society that is willing to question and examine religions.

    Which of the Islamic countries would set up a judicial enquiry to examine the practices of their religious leaders?

  29. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 1:58 pm

    …and which parts of Islam would people.recommend we adopt?

    The same amount as we should adopt of the catlik cause.

    A BIG fucken ZERO!

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 2:03 pm

    Fine, and just as there is plenty of pointed criticism of christianity and catholics, I can’t understand why it is so objectionable to criticise islam.

    Though I haven’t noticed the current pope advocating stoning adulters or throwing gay men off buildings. But please correct me it I’m wrong.

  31. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 2:28 pm

    I can’t understand why it is so objectionable to criticise islam.

    Nothing wrong with criticism.

    But there is such a thing as constructive criticism. There is also such a thing a throwing stones from glass houses. Or, as some wit put it “Let he who is without sin.” 😉

    yabot needs to address both before anyone can take him even half seriously

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 2:37 pm

    Look, I think the catholic church has been a protection racket for paedophiles. There is something wrong with anyone who seeks a life without intimacy…but I haven’t noticed the pope recommending throwing gay men off buildings.

  33. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 2:41 pm

    “What was so wrong with allowing our universities the freedom that they need to be the best in the world?” he said.

    What was wrong with taking away students from TAFE and throwing them to the mercy of the “open market”

    turnbull is stupid enough to say it out loud is all.

    Last month, The Australian released three articles (here, here and here) uncovering widespread rorting by private colleges. The Australian revealed that private colleges were handed more than $1.4 billion in government-funded VET Fee -Help loans last year, which was four times as much as was provided to public vocational education and training providers. Yet, only 14,400 students managed to complete courses at private colleges last year, compared with 18,400 students at TAFE and other public providers. Thus, the figures reveal that private colleges are inflating course costs but providing very poor educational outcomes.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/11/the-private-colleges-rort-bleeding-the-budget/

  34. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 2:44 pm

    but I haven’t noticed the pope recommending throwing gay men off buildings.

    Well, not for a number of years now anyway 😉

  35. December 9, 2015 3:05 pm

    AO,,,,,,,,,Just fkn go abbott, there is no public appetite for more bare-faced lying, plotting another govt overthrow or revenge politics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    #quite frankly armchair, l think it would be fcuking `delicious` watching the zombies eat their own in exactly the same manner the jooliar/blib/kevin07-show did, all the while claiming `they-are-not-labor` #poetic.fate

  36. December 9, 2015 3:09 pm

    “”yabot needs to address both before anyone can take him even half seriously””

    Yes, indeed.

  37. December 9, 2015 3:13 pm

    “”I haven’t noticed the pope recommending throwing gay men off buildings.””

    No, but there’s just a resounding silence when gay men are bashed or killed by homophobes.

    In much the same way as wives are meant to be “”subservient””” to their husbands despite being subjected to domestic violence.

    Both religions are fucked as far as I’m concerned, but I don’t see that many Islamic faith-based MPs in Australian politics influencing policies and our social fabric with their faith based ideology. Catholics on the other hand, well we know that Canberra is littered with them.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:21 pm

    “You mean the ones that simply bugger children?”

    I could put up photos of what the West has done around the world in the pursuit of democracy, oil, $$$ and the christian way …

    The big problem is RELIGION … and the twits who worship “one god” – the “same god” … and their interpretation of man made fairytales … the bible, the quran and the tanakh … the bible even includes the history of the jews … as the old testament …

    What nonsense … if their ever was a god, it has a twisted sense of humour, no sense of fairness and a fucking massive ego!

    If you believe “our” society is better than “their” society … you could be right … but it’s not better ENOUGH …

    Believe or disbelieve but FFS do in private instead of shoving it at intelligent people who eith disbelieve or simply don’t know … or care …

    One bloke knew hoe to put it into words … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU

    Read them and weep for humanity and the arseholes who want to control it …

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:29 pm

    Can we learn anything about tolerance of diversity? Or promotion of gay rights? or women’s rights ?

    Certainly … but not in Australia … we have none of the above … or haven’t you noticed …

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:30 pm

    …and which parts of Islam would people.recommend we adopt?

    DuH? Who wants any of their shite … or any other religion …

    Missing the point … and making shit up again … shit smells no matter where or who it comes from …

  41. Jihad Western permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:43 pm

    Clearly, a culture of superiority by proclamation should be ready to justify killing inferior people in the name of civilisation amidst demands for our loyalty and respect.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:43 pm

    Fine, and just as there is plenty of pointed criticism of christianity and catholics, I can’t understand why it is so objectionable to criticise islam.

    I’m sure you’re free to criticise radical islamists here … I do …

    A pox on all their houses as far as I’m concerned …

    I don’t care about anyone’s religious leanings until they start to expect me to get involved … or they become hypocrites (like most religious zealots – classic case, ISIL) …

    The local state school had a graduation ‘tother night … not in the really good new school hall but in a little church hall down the road … and up pops the school counsellor at the microphone with her comments … luckily not the prayer as noted on the program …

    When I asked the Principal she informed me that the school hall was to big and “echoed” … little did she know that I knew the acoustics in the hall were fine …

    The whole process was simply to get people from a STATE school in front of all the churchy paraphernalia … hidden agendas piss me right off!

  43. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:44 pm

    Oh…..I see all the Left Wing nut jobs are out again self flagellating ( or self fellattio-ing) over the evils of the West as usual.

    POTUS Obama apparently described ISIL as a “cult of death” the other day……………………….what was the term Abbott used to use.

    Obama must be Catholic too !

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:45 pm

    Look, I think the catholic church has been a protection racket for paedophiles.

    Just “paedophiles” … o_O

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:50 pm

    Last month, The Australian released three articles (here, here and here) uncovering widespread rorting by private colleges.

    You may recall I predicted such shit would happen!

    I used to have to compete with people delivering Cert IV’s in two days! In the ’90s …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh…..I see all the Left Wing nut jobs are out again self flagellating ..

    ‘Fraid that’s a catlik invention … don’t forget to change at 100 … 😉

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:52 pm

    JW, (LOL!)

    I have to say the thought of adding a few photos of the SS had entered my mind when I started to reply to the comments above …

    Welcome …

  47. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 3:54 pm

    “Who wants any of their shite … or any other religion … ”

    So I take it that all of you will be working Christmas Day and Easter next year and those that are paid them will be refusing to take penalty rates.

    And those who claim to be Self Funded Retirees I’m glad to hear that you never took a religious public holiday.

    Otherwise that would make you a fucking hypocrite.

  48. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:00 pm

    I don’t see that many Islamic faith-based MPs in Australian politics influencing policies and our social fabric with their faith based ideology

    Yes, but, LOOK OVER THERE!!

  49. December 9, 2015 4:03 pm

    “”Otherwise that would make you a fucking hypocrite.””

    Yeah – why that would be a bit like criticising someone for downloading movies off the internet, while at the same time stealing pictures of Walrus’s from the internet without paying any copyright fees and posting them on a blog as a kind of joke, no?

  50. December 9, 2015 4:05 pm

    Hey islam-frightened teabags, don`t forget to share 50% of the credit of your `islamic-misery` with colonial powers, that have caused and sponsored that misery.

  51. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:06 pm

    “yabot needs to address both before anyone can take him even half seriously”

    So we cant take this guy seriously as well I take it………………

    “Egypt’s president opened the new year with a dramatic call for a “revolution” in Islam to reform interpretations of the faith entrenched for hundreds of years, which he said have made the Muslim world a source of “destruction” and pitted it against the rest of the world.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/egypt-president-revolution-islam_n_6436734.html?ir=Australia

  52. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:09 pm

    “………..without paying any copyright fees………”

    They need to be copyrighted first

  53. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:14 pm

    You may recall I predicted such shit would happen!

    Yes, that is the saddest thing, it was widely anticipated.

    As is the massive failure the uni de-regulation will be also.

    They just keep lining up to slap us, and we keep lining back up for more.

    or self fellattio-ing

    What is with defenders of catliks and their …… catlicking tendencies?

  54. December 9, 2015 4:33 pm

    “”They need to be copyrighted first””

    Not true.

  55. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:36 pm

    And how much are you paying for Tin Tin ?

  56. December 9, 2015 4:36 pm

    “”What is with defenders of catliks and their …… catlicking tendencies?””

    effed if I know, but all this anti-Muslin this and anti-immigration that is leading to a dramatic increase in support of far right political parties in the UK and Europe as well as for ranting loonies like Trump.

    If he ends up as POTUS we’re all rooted.

  57. December 9, 2015 4:37 pm

    I never said I didn’t do it. 🙂

    But you were the one that accuses others of stealing things online while you’re guilty of same yourself…

    Just pointing out the bleeding obvious really..

  58. December 9, 2015 4:41 pm

    Comment from The Guardian…

    says it all really…

    ‘all cultures are not equal’.

    FFS! Might as well come out and say say I’m a bigoted cultural chauvanist who can’t see the civil, social, economic, environmental and biological evolutionary benifits of diversity in all things because anything unfamiliar or strange scares the living shit out of my fragile and unstable mind.

  59. December 9, 2015 4:45 pm

    blubbering,,,,,,,nut jobs are out again self flagellating .. over the evils of the West,,,,,,

    #l don`t belong to any dog-club, they`re ALL bullshit, l don`t belong to the `capitalism-cult`, and l don`t belong to the `self-denial-cult` either, which are just as bad.

    #As l don`t belong to any of these, l tend to look a bit `deeper` at topics, and not just accept the shallow skimming of topics teabag-media do, nor the lies peddled by politicians and corporations/dog-clubs/others/etc.

    #ln the same manner teabags always bleat about my abc being `taxpayer-funded`, l would point-out that `our` parliament/s are `full` of catlicks and other kristian dog-clubs with `tax-free` status (defacto-taxpayer-funding/welfare) and would therefore point-out that `we` sponsor pedo-priests and the cover-ups of them. Yet the usual buffoons only squirt about `islam`.

  60. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:46 pm

    “……stealing things online while you’re guilty of same yourself…”

    No………I would describe it as “fair use” under most copyright law.

    Stealing an entire Movie is completely in a different league.

  61. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 4:54 pm

    “I’m a bigoted cultural chauvanist who can’t see the civil, social, economic, environmental and biological evolutionary benifits of diversity in all things because anything unfamiliar or strange scares the living shit out of my fragile and unstable mind.”

    Yes..Yes …..Yes of course that’s it…….well said. Of course its all about evolutionary benefits of diversity………How silly of me

    I think the west stopped crucifying people a while back

    And I think we also stopped burning people a while back as well.

    I guess that’s what we in the West would call……………… “evolutionary benefits”

  62. December 9, 2015 4:58 pm

    “”No………I would describe it as “fair use” under most copyright law.””

    well of course you would… 🙂

  63. December 9, 2015 5:00 pm

    I don’t see anyone here defending the violence that’s carried out in the name of Islam.

  64. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 5:09 pm

    “I don’t see anyone here defending the violence that’s carried out in the name of Islam.”

    That will probably come next week.

    But some appear to be making excuses for it………..

    “I could put up photos of what the West has done around the world in the pursuit of democracy, oil, $$$ and the christian way … ”

    “Hey islam-frightened teabags, don`t forget to share 50% of the credit of your `islamic-misery` with colonial powers,”

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:10 pm

    So I take it that all of you will be working Christmas Day and Easter next year and those that are paid them will be refusing to take penalty rates.

    And those who claim to be Self Funded Retirees I’m glad to hear that you never took a religious public holiday.

    Otherwise that would make you a fucking hypocrite.

    This is where ignorance and desperation rears its ugly head …

    … no public holidays are “religious” … unless you believe in Druids … and the Lapplanders .. oh and the Viking religion …

    And what has that to do with fkn penalty rates and SFR … ? (In fact if you bothered to look different krystian (ta tbagz) sects and jews can’t even decide on the seventh day … Sat or Sun … ?)

    Twisted and strange illogic …

    But some appear to be making excuses for it………..

    As usual you’re making the excuses … I’m giving you the facts … the West has blood on its hands, ISIL has blood on its hands, the Jews have blood on their hands, the krystians have blood on their hands …

    (BTW, Hitler was a krystian … and I’d lay a bet that Mussolini was a catlik)

    FFS! Stop defending YOUR side and condemn ALL of the warmongering religious bastards … and save some kids!

    “Imagine there’s no heaven!”

    What we’ve got is IT! Love it as it is … for tomorrow you may die … forever …

  66. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:18 pm

    “”… no public holidays are “religious” … “”

    Really…………….so you used to “work”on Christmas Day and Easter Friday and Easter Monday ?

    I think you just blew up the BS Meter with that post of yours

  67. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:23 pm

    Oh…………here it is TB

    http://giphy.com/gifs/bullshit-o-meter-ToMjGpCUvr5FTCmUWoE

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:33 pm

    You’re getting shrill again Wally … we all know you you’re rooted when you get shrill …

    Notice what God says about the Christmas tree: “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven [signs of the skies, winter solstice]; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.” (Jer. 10:2-4).

    So, when and how did ancient Rome begin to call these pagan customs “Christian”? The Encyclopedia Britannica holds the answers: “Christmas observance started at Rome about A.D. 336. In Roman times, festivals of Isis or Osiris [of Egypt] were held on December 25. In the religion of Sol [sun god of Babylon] festivals were determined by astronomy. The greatest festival was held on December 24-25, the time of the winter solstice; it was regarded as the day of the rebirth of the sun, and the renovation of life.

    “In the time of Emperor Constantine, Rome’s policy was to ‘absorb’ the pagan observances to gain nominal adherents to the church. In the B.C. Roman world, the Saturnalia was a time of ‘merry making’ and ‘exchanging gifts’” (“History of Christmas,” http://www.britannica.com).

    https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=T9hnVtTIH7Pu8weX8ZGACw&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=origins+of+christian+holidays

    In fact JC would have approved of penalty rates … and this part SFR worked just about every Saturday and Sunday for the last sixteen years of my career … and many others so that my those of my staff who wanted could spend time with their families …

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:40 pm

    and I’d lay a bet that Mussolini was a catlik

    Wrong as usual

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Religious_views

    Mussolini would become anti-clerical like his father. As a young man, he “proclaimed himself to be an atheist[168] and several times tried to shock an audience by calling on God to strike him dead.”[166] He believed that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice.[1

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:40 pm

    OT … Negative Gearing “at work” …

    ASPIRING homeowners and victims of urban sprawl, prepare to be outraged.

    A new report offers an infuriating insight into what’s going on inside the houses that city fringe-dwellers are clamouring to get their hands on, and the answer is nothing at all.

    Data analysed in a new report indicates about one in five investor-owned properties in Melbourne are unoccupied.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/shocking-number-of-melbourne-properties-left-vacant-despite-huge-housing-demand/news-story/4dc12b7033d1e43e91458b673fdabf79

    And the smart arse economists keep telling me we should sell our home of 30 years … while wannabe Robber Barons assisted by government welfare … speculate on the property market …

    Houses should not be treated as assets they are homes …

    Living in a society? Or surviving in an economy?

    Decisions For Dollars …

  71. Walrus permalink
    December 9, 2015 6:42 pm

    Thanks for confirming that Christmas Day evolved from Religion

    Would you like to now revisit………… “”… no public holidays are “religious” … “”

    “”In fact JC would have approved of penalty rates …””

    Yeah………….and his Dad being a carpenter would have been in the CFMEU I suppose………?

  72. December 9, 2015 7:03 pm

    “”his Dad being a carpenter would have been in the CFMEU””

    GOLD! 😆

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 7:36 pm

    Joseph that’s JC’s dad’s name … you probably forgot … was probably a shop steward … working for those fkn Romans was a prick of a job … swarming with accountants I understand …

    Thanks for confirming that Christmas Day evolved from Religion

    Chuckle … nah … that was paganism according to you’re lot … just demonstrates the thieving dicks would take anything to further their cause …

    Ya can’t have it all ways … I know you want it but it just don’t work that way … anymore …

    I do hope we are not paying for Oprah’s visit again …

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2015 7:37 pm

    God is a carpenter?

  75. December 9, 2015 8:23 pm

    “that was paganism according to you’re lot “

    I think you mean “your lot”…

    #justsayin’

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2015 10:00 pm

    Tony Abbott is amazing. All he has to do is buy a fridge on Gumtree to send the left crazy.

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2015 11:52 pm

    I think you mean “your lot”…

    I have manners … but you know what Wally would say to you … !!!! 😉

    The Mad Abbott bought a fridge?

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 8:53 am

    “yabot needs to address both before anyone can take him even half seriously”

    Just like political parties don’t criticise each other until their own house is in order and just like Tom R is so busy addressing Unionland crime and fraud he hasn’t got around to criticising anyone else.

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 9:00 am

    “Muslims do not need a Western cultural supremacist like Tony Abbott to tell them what Islam needs.”

    True. It is much better they hear that message from one of their own:

    “Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race,” he told the delegates.

    President Musharraf then made a comparison of the economic growth in Islamic countries with some developed countries.

    While the collective Gross National Product of the all Muslim countries stands at $1,200bn, that of Germany alone is $2,500bn and that of Japan $5,500bn.

    He said one of the main reasons for this disparity was that none of the Muslim countries had ever paid any attention to educational and scientific development.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 9:07 am

    ” this anti-Muslin this and anti-immigration that is leading to a dramatic increase in support of far right political parties in the UK and Europe as well as for ranting loonies like Trump.”

    The reason for the rise of so-called “far right” parties is the complete and utter failure of other parties to speak sense on this issue. For so long as the hideous idiots keep insisting Islam is a religion of peace when the facts paint a completely opposite picture people will support parties that tell it like it is.

    In the UK 95% of sexual assaults against under age children are performed by Muslim men. That is on the head of the diversity mongering mongrels who keep insisting that more of this degraded culture be imported.

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 9:17 am

    To say that all cultures are not equal is to state the bleeding obvious. The atheist leftist culture which gave rise to communism failed miserably (after killing 100m people and is now in its rightful place in the dustbin of history.

    It is clear that different cultures produce different outcomes for their citizens. The West is superior now because of the enlightenment and in particular the development of market economics.

    It is not as though barbarian notions aren’t lingering below the surface in the West. It is just that right now of the two cultures Abbott is comparing, the West is clearly superior. If you don’t agree then you should be equally happy living in Islamic State. If not then you obviously agree with Abbott on this point. But you can’t bring yourselves to say so.

  82. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 9:36 am

    “………you obviously agree with Abbott on this point. But you can’t bring yourselves to say so.”

    LOL ……you wont see any of that with most of this lot.

    As NoS pointed out. Abbott bought a second hand fridge on Gumtree the other day and the Left went fucking feral over it.

    Its quite amusing watching their reactions

  83. December 10, 2015 9:37 am

    “”The atheist leftist culture which gave rise to communism failed miserably (after killing 100m people and is now in its rightful place in the dustbin of history..””

    Yeah, the whole non-atheist right wing culture has just done the whole global peace keeping thing so well in comparison.

  84. December 10, 2015 9:39 am

    “”the Left went fucking feral over it.””

    Really? That’s news to me. The c*nt bought a fridge. Big deal.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2015 9:47 am

    He bought a fridge!!! – NOT EVEN F***ING JOHN HOWARD BOUGHT A FRIDGE!!

    That says so much about Abbott.

  86. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:33 am

    Just like political parties don’t criticise each other

    Well, they do, and, they get called on bullshit when the hypocrisy is blatant, as it is here

    so busy addressing Unionland crime and fraud

    What, a couple od isolated incidence that is somehow being portrayed as normal?

    How many charges have been booted/dropped, laughed out of court lately? Why not go after the REAL crooks, instead of political enemies?

    The “inside job” is alive and well with a new survey showing bosses looking to fund their flashy lifestyles are the biggest fraudsters next to professional criminals and rank and file staff.

    And business beware – organised crime is stepping up their cyber fraud activities and are expected to recruit more employees or embed gang members in companies to ply their nefarious trade.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/inside-job-bosses-funding-flash-lifestyles-the-biggest-fraudsters-20151209-glj3wz.html#ixzz3tryH5YDU

  87. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:35 am

    You know you’ve lost an argument when you try to pretend the discussion is about a fucken fridge rather than pandering to racists.

    Heads up noddy’s, even white-supremacists keep their beers cold.

    It seems that Tony Abbott has taken a page out of Donald Trump’s campaign booklet. Last night, in a Sky News interview with Paul Murray, Abbott managed to further alienate an already ailing Muslim community and reinforce white-supremacists everywhere in one fell swoop.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/muslims-dont-need-western-cultural-supremacists-to-tell-them-what-islam-needs-20151208-glj0d9.html#ixzz3tryVPmNB

  88. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:38 am

    Noted conservative pundit and internet troll blogger Andrew Bolt has used his column in today’s Herald Sun to launch a scathing attack on the ABC’s upcoming documentary featuring Andrew Bolt, who he described as an “obsequious lick-spittle to the leftist urban glitterati”.

    The best was the little update at the bottom 🙂

    A previous version of this article had incorrectly referred to Andrew Bolt as a journalist.

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:40 am

    You know you’ve lost an argument when you try to pretend the discussion is about a fucken fridge rather than pandering to racists.

    What are you saying? That Abbott is racist because he bought a white fridge rather than a black one on Gumtree?

  90. December 10, 2015 10:42 am

    Who’s our PM again?

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  91. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:53 am

    Abbott needs to pull his head in or sign up for a rifle and a cams …

  92. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:01 am

    Who’s our PM again?

    Didn’t we end up with isis BECAUSE of a “long, difficult, costly AND bullshit engagement”?

  93. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:30 am

    I wonder if nil etal could point me to fridge comment that set them all off?

  94. December 10, 2015 11:33 am

    “”I wonder if nil etal could point me to fridge comment that set them all off?””

    That’s what I was thinking…

  95. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:40 am

    Exhibit 1) Look at the Comments from your Lefty rag

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/08/tony-abbotts-fridge-a-secret-history

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:41 am

    That Abbott is racist because he bought a white fridge rather than a black one on Gumtree?

    A stainless steel one would be too upmarket for The Mad Abbott … is it a beer fridge …?

    Anyhoo .. an SS (apologies couldn’t help myself) fridge may reflect (lol) on Abbott if he saw himself in the door …

  97. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:41 am

    I wonder if the FBT on cars is included in this?

    The Federal Government is considering eliminating widely used tax concessions to part-fund income tax cuts, Malcolm Turnbull has confirmed.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30322357/back-to-future-in-tax-reform/

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:45 am

    Oh, dear, it IS (chuckle) an SS fridge … so things aren’t going to cool down …

    Exhibit 1) Look at the Comments from your Lefty rag

    Is Wally talking to anyone in particular or just the usual “voices” he hears?

  99. December 10, 2015 11:47 am

    “”Is Wally talking to anyone in particular or just the usual “voices” he hears?””

    LOL…! 🙂

  100. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:47 am

    Exhibit 1) Look at the Comments from your Lefty rag

    I’m not sure how that ties in with a discussion about islam?

    Also, I thought it was a “lefty” thing?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/tony-abbott-buys-secondhand-fridge-on-gumtree/news-story/4071dad5f7943eefcebd751dbd7430d6

    But, back to my original question, perhaps you can “please” explain just how media outlets getting wet over a fridge has ANY impact on the discussion here. especially to warrant this kind of garbage

    LOL ……you wont see any of that with most of this lot.

    As NoS pointed out. Abbott bought a second hand fridge on Gumtree the other day and the Left went fucking feral over it.

    Its quite amusing watching their reactions

    Surely “this lot” is not to be blamed for the actions of the likes of the oz, are “this lot”?

  101. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:49 am

    If you cant be bothered looking at the comments here is a sample…………..

    “One would have thought he would be financially capable of maintaining his family’s privacy with a purchase at the local electrical traders store instead of exposing himself and family to this public ridicule. Or is he suffering from attention deficit disorder……….”

    The fact that Abbott cannot even go and buy a second hand fridge without idiots commenting like above kinda proves the Left really is just full of lunatics fixated by a hatred of a former PM.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:50 am

    I wonder if the FBT on cars is included in this?

    Maybe Milkum is heading for a 20% tax across the board … no deductions, no concessions … all those financial shiny arses looking for new jobs alongside the miners …

    Still if The Mad Abbott wants boots on the ground in Syria, they could always recruit them … however, the pay and conditions have taken a serious nose dive in the last couple of years …

    Its an exciting time to be an Australian …

  103. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:53 am

    Is Wally talking to anyone in particular or just the usual “voices” he hears?

    Or just “gazing into that pool” 😉

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:01 pm

    The fact that Abbott cannot even go and buy a second hand fridge without idiots commenting like above kinda proves the Left really is just full of lunatics fixated by a hatred of a former PM.

    Wrong again … he’s made himself into a daily lampoon character … defend the twat all you like … he’s a Fuckwit© who’s been exposed and compounds his silliness daily …

    “Hatred” nah not this little chipmunk … I thoroughly dislike his ignorant ideological politics and his pugilistic approach to every aspect of life … his and other people’s … but I have never “hated” anyone in my life … nor do I expect to …

    … the Left really is just full of lunatics …

    I think you’ll find that applies to every walk of life, left, right and in between … in fact Tony Abbott is a classic case … and he leans so far right it’s a wonder he can stand up …

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  105. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:01 pm

    The fact that Abbott cannot even go and buy a second hand fridge

    But how does that relate to THIS discussion?

    That quote, wherever it came from, wasn’t from this bloody thread, was it?

    Looks like people losing an argument started with the “look over there, tabot did something else too”

    no deductions, no concessions

    No complaint from me there 😉

    But I wonder, will this be called a “monumental backflip”

    remember, malcayman is on the record of fully supporting the grubmints previous position(s) in regards to tax. It’s time he was held to those comments.

  106. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:09 pm

    “Looks like people losing an argument started with the “look over there, tabot did something else too”…..”

    Yeah sure…………………………..like In your dreams.

    Otherwise provide us with an argument why modern day Islamic cultures are superior to the West.

    If you cant then as much as you’d hate to say so yourself you must be agreeing with Abbott.

    I’ll just wait here patiently for your argument.

    Which reminds me……….I need to fill up the wine fridge for the weekend

  107. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:12 pm

    provide us with an argument why modern day Islamic cultures are superior to the West.

    Again, who said they were “superior”?

    Who is the strongest, who is the best
    Who holds the aces, the East or the West

  108. December 10, 2015 12:28 pm

    “”Otherwise provide us with an argument why modern day Islamic cultures are superior to the West.””

    I don’t think anyone’s actually said that.

    I guess it’s just “”the voices”” again…

    🙄

  109. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:29 pm

  110. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:31 pm

    “a touch stronger” ????????????????????????????????

    It’s 51,000 stronger than your prediction you FUCKWIT !

  111. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:33 pm

    I guess it’s just “”the voices”” again…

    Do the voices do the unemployment data these days too?

  112. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:54 pm

    “I don’t think anyone’s actually said that.”

    Well its good to see that you finally agree with Abbott

  113. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:56 pm

    “But somehow with all those extra workers, worked hours fell by 0.8%”

    Yeah well with penalty rates where they are lots of joints no longer open weekends

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 12:57 pm

    Well its good to see that you finally agree with Abbott

    I don’t think anyone actually said that (except you) …

  115. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 1:29 pm

    I don’t think anyone actually said that (except tabot) …

    fixed it fer ya TB 😉

    they are lots of joints no longer open weekends

    Got a link fer that 😉

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 1:37 pm

    I wonder how long it will be before malcolm decides enough is enough and yanks in abbott’s chain. I suspect abbott is trying to bait turnbull into bringing him back into cabinet where he will be forced to conform to cabinet solidarity, no more moonlighting and chestbeating. Abbott hasn’t sat on the backbench since 1996, he won’t take it at all well [or the financial downgrade]. You can see that he is seething with passive aggressivity.
    Turnbull should just let him run, he’s sounding like a complete loony of the US teabag variety these days and is given equal credibility. Let him join Cory’s new reclaim australia for the fascists party.

    The problem is simply religion. When we finally get rid of religious indoctrination and government’s use of religion to help oppress the masses everywhere we might actually start blaming people for their own actions.

    Someone once said:

    “Good people will do good deeds
    Evil people will do evil deeds
    But it takes religion to make good people do evil deeds”

    …Does anyone seriously think that any of the Islamic countries would tolerate a Royal Commission to expose the institutionalised abuse?…

    Does anyone seriously think that the RC would have happened under a liberal party govt?

    …To say that all cultures are not equal is to state the bleeding obvious. The atheist leftist culture which gave rise to communism failed miserably (after killing 100m people and is now in its rightful place in the dustbin of history…

    https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/

    …Religious apologists, particularly those of the Christian variety, are big fans of what I have dubbed, the atheist atrocities fallacy. Christians commonly employ this fallacy to shield their egos from the harsh reality of the brutality of their own religion, by utilizing a most absurd form of the tu quoque (“you too”) fallacy, mingled with numerous other logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies. Despite the fact that the atheist atrocities fallacy has already been thoroughly exposed by Hitchens and other great thinkers, it continues to circulate amongst the desperate believers of a religion in its death throes…

  117. Switches' Brew'd permalink
    December 10, 2015 1:46 pm

    Tony Abbott is amazing.

    He’s alright. For a reheated fridge magnet in search of a lost humanitarian mission.

  118. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 2:04 pm

    “I don’t think anyone actually said that (except you) …”

    So then you disagree with Abbott then

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 2:05 pm

    Yeah well with penalty rates where they are lots of joints no longer open weekends

    That’s because the one’s who do are probably better managed restaurants …

    BTW … over the years I have been into a local – well know – coffee shop that displayed signs that a 10% surcharge applied for certain public holidays (ironically on an Anzac Day) across from the Dawn Service … and discovered staff weren’t paid!

    I discovered the same happening at a local tavern … after asking bar staff, wait staff and kitchen staff … none were paid penalty rates … it went into the owners’ pockets …

    How sleazy is that!

  120. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2015 2:14 pm

    Of course…………………

    Of course that link doesn’t say anything about these places staying open previously on Easter, does it?

    You said ” no longer open weekends”.

    Easter has always had the majority of shops closed, because, it’s a bloody public holiday!

    I did like the epitath of the story though 🙂

    “On the upside, it does mean we get to have a day off, and spend time together as a family.”

  121. December 10, 2015 2:19 pm

    The voices in your head aren’t real.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2015 2:23 pm

    Does anyone seriously think that the RC would have happened under a liberal party govt?

    I could imagine Turnbull having one. Obviously not Abbott.

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 2:58 pm

    That is a fairly stupid article KL. Unfortunately the fool who wrote it doesn’t even recap Hitchens’ argument which I would like to read.

    There are some narrow minded bigots who seek to blame all violence on religion. The simple fact is that ideology (of which religion is but a subset) is the real culprit. And in terms of murderous violence the atheist leftist ideology of communism was the greatest killer of all time.

    CS Lewis had it right:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

  124. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 3:37 pm

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 3:56 pm

    …It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience…

    We’re living under both, the robber barons and the moral busybodies are in league, isn’t that what the legislation to invade our privacy, track our every movement and thought, destroy our civil liberties, rights and freedoms is all about? Isn’t that why religious ideologues have infiltrated our parliament and force taxpayers to pay all of the fkn churches to exist and multiply. It’s the most lucrative and wealth creating business around!

    We are oppressed by all of them, this ‘democracy’ that is for our own their good. Some stupid people accept it willingly, stops them feeling so shit scared and defenceless against all their imagined and projected fears. The rest of us live under the tyranny of it all, ‘for our own good’.

    What we’ve got is butt hurt abbott declaring war on turnbull, he’s doing it by proxy, muslims are his stalking horse. We are all going to be collateral damage in this, abbott will blow the place up to serve his own interests. He’s a maddie and egocentric to boot, all we can do is stand by and shake our heads at how these elitists who force themselves upon us can get away with it all.

    …Professor O’Brien said Mr Abbott’s remarks were the sorts of comments that could drive people towards becoming radicalised…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-tony-abbott-is-a-very-unusual-man-20151210-glk5nl.html#ixzz3tsvUYNgY

  126. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:04 pm

    “………….all we can do is stand by and shake our heads at how these elitists who force themselves upon us can get away with it all……………..”

    Yes ……………Yes…………how dare he have such an opinion.

    But the stupid Lefties always forget that by shutting down reasonable opinions you end up with people like this filling the vacuum………………

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:06 pm

    Only half a quote, sb … ? My bold BTW

    >“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

    Here’s another …

    Nequaquam nobis divinitus esse paratam
    Naturam rerum; tanta stat praedita culpa

    Had God designed the world, it would not be
    A world so frail and faulty as we see.

    In fact Lewis encapsulates many of the comments written here …

    JC was the original communist … put down by an Empire … out of fear … modern communism was doomed to fail for the same reason(s) fear, cruelty and greed … but in particular, the psychological paranoia of the powerful …

    The reasons radical religions still murder, rape and pillage … or, as you rightly put it – all ideologies – secular or non …

    Right now The Robber Barons are awake and raping the countryside … we have statistics now to prove it …

    … a radical sect of a particular religion is also on the rampage … to usurp The Robber Barons … neither is right in how they are working towards Armageddon …

    But as usual the many will suffer for the twisted minds of the few …

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:15 pm

    So that’s how you see yourself, Wally … an idiot abroad?

    Strange …

    … by shutting down reasonable opinions you end up with people like this filling the vacuum………………

    er, no distinction in the vacuum … similar vacant spaces in their heads …

    Divisive and aggressive … the worst kind of extreme right wing politician …

  129. December 10, 2015 4:25 pm

    From the files of TB’s drinking tips…

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  130. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:32 pm

    “……….the drink will take on a much more palatable aroma and taste.”

    I dont think it really matters to those north of the Tweed

    The typical guest at a TB dinner party

  131. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:34 pm

    Yeah………he really knows how to entertain guests

  132. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 4:37 pm

    Dinner at my place

  133. December 10, 2015 4:57 pm

    Dinner at Neil’s place..

  134. December 10, 2015 4:58 pm

    Dinner at my place…

  135. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 5:05 pm

    TomR having his CFMEU mates around for dinner

  136. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 5:13 pm

    Dinner at Tom of Melbourne’s joint

  137. Walrus permalink
    December 10, 2015 5:19 pm

    Dinner at AO’s place

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2015 5:48 pm

    TB, I like those extra words of Lewis. KL, the moral busybodies of today are the ones imposing speech codes, shutting people up, whining about microaggressions, safe spaces and trying to remake society in their own misshapen image. There are too many dumb leftists like this:

    A Washington State University professor said she would lower the grade of any student who used the term “illegal immigrants” when referring to immigrants here illegally. Another Washington State professor warned in his syllabus that white students who want “to do well” in his “Introduction to Multicultural Literature” should show their “grasp of history and social relations” by “deferring to the experiences of people of colour.” Another Washington State teacher, in her syllabus for “Women & Popular Culture,” warned that students risk “failure for the semester” if they use “derogatory/oppressive language” such as “referring to women/men as females or males.”

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:09 pm

    If you drop a penny into a glass of spoiled wine, the drink will take on a much more palatable aroma and taste.

    You doin’ a Wally on me, sreb!

    I’ve never drunk spoiled wine …

    Whoo! Tell a fib … we were at The Minister’s sister’s place one Friday night and we ran out of booze (life was tough in the 70’s) …

    My brother in law was a bit of a wheeler and dealer and had acquired some altar wine … so we cracked a bottle … it was the most vile concoction I’ve ever tasted …

    Anyhoo, we managed to finish two bottles … the next morning was purgatory!

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:11 pm

    Does ToM, eat hamburgers?

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:13 pm

    … such as “referring to women/men as females or males.”

    erm, what are they then?

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:14 pm

    The more I think about I might pop down to Melbourne and catch up with ToM … 😀

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:40 pm

    Only half a quote, sb … ? My bold BTW

    That makes a world of differnce, no wonder sb was so selective about it 😉

    The full quote is pretty much what I said and it describes the LNP exactly. The robber barons & the moralisers/bigots exist in that one party [not very cohesively].
    And then they have the yokels party, what a combination.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 6:52 pm

    KL, strangely, I’d seen the quote before … and the one I’d added … as a teenager I used to get CS Forrester and CS Lewis mixed up … my old man was ex-RN so like the Forrester books (as do I) … but of course Lewis wrote a lot of fiction too …

    sb, is right tho’, all ideologies are a problem … most people are just not flexible nor adaptable enough to positive change so get led down the garden path of “simplicity” …

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 7:06 pm

    erm, what are they then?

    The Problem With Calling Women ‘Females’
    http://jezebel.com/the-problem-with-calling-women-females-1683808274

    6 Reasons You Should Stop Referring To Women As “Females” Right Now
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/tracyclayton/stop-calling-women-females#.cqdwx5jP1

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 7:19 pm

    There are too many dumb leftists like this:

    A Washington State University professor said she would…

    That looks like a true commitment to equality to me, walking the walk and talking the talk!
    Those professors are educating the world. People should think about what words mean.

    Would you rather have someone like andrew bolt educating black people on what is and is not acceptable in his view about being a black person…oh, wait!

  147. December 10, 2015 7:20 pm

    smh,,,,,,The loyalty card is costing a lot of money and not driving consumers to buy the stock we really want to get rid of. What’s worse, Qantas is making lots of money out of it – and if there’s one thing we at Woolworths hate more than Coles and Aldi, it’s

    suppliers making more than a subsistence living.,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/dont-like-woolworths-rewards-card-fails-the-social-media-test-20151208-gliy95.html

  148. December 10, 2015 7:23 pm

    t,,,,,,,You know you’ve lost an argument when you try to pretend the discussion is about a fucken fridge rather than pandering to racists.,,,,,,,

    #won`t anybody think of the `fridge-magnets`!!!!!!

  149. December 10, 2015 7:55 pm

    tb,,,,,all ideologies are a problem,,,,,#agree

    tb,,,,,,most people are just not flexible nor adaptable enough to positive change,,,,,,#maybe

    tb,,,,,,so get led down the garden path of `simplicity,,,,,,#disagree

    #l disagree with your conclusion because, it`s always the same people that cop-it in the arse, the `poor`n`powerless`, while ALL the benefits of so-called `positive` change go to the `few`, take a look at `our` tax-system, which if it had `complexity` removed, or `simplicity` added, would be much more fairer,

    #generally crapping on `simplicity` is a sign of somebody not understanding `how` they`re being fooled/conned, or, done by the devious trying to gain something, which are signs of puppet-democracy/govt`s

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2015 7:59 pm

    6 Reasons You Should Stop Referring To Women As “Females” Right Now

    Lost me … I’m a man and a male … I know women who are females … I know boys who are males and I know girls who are females …

    And yet female women are arguing what?

  151. December 10, 2015 8:26 pm

    Haven`t read it teebz, l got to here on the other one, #agree-tho

    ,,,,,,Much has been written about attempts by women to reclaim words like “bitch,” “cunt,” and “slut.” It’s interesting to consider that “female” isn’t really popping up among this shift in lexicon.,,,,,,

    #this seems to be the loonie-end of the feminista trying to find something to say, or stay relevant, probably `talking-heads` looking for the next `paid-gig`, or something

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 10:18 pm

    Q&A does not have ‘leftwing anti-Coalition bias’, leaked report finds
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/10/qa-does-not-have-leftwing-anti-coalition-bias-leaked-report-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …Exclusive: Review headed by broadcaster Ray Martin and former SBS executive Shaun Brown effectively dismisses widespread criticism from Coalition MPs over the show’s political balance

    The ABC’s Q&A program does not have a “left wing anti-Coalition bias” and is equally a challenge to both sides of politics, according to a draft report of the long-awaited review of Q&A obtained by Guardian Australia…

    …But according to the the document seen by Guardian Australia, Martin and Brown studied six months’ worth of programs aired this year and concluded that while Q&A was a “challenge” to the Coalition government in 2015 it was also a challenge to the Labor government in 2012.

    Far from finding that it had too many local panelists from the left, the report said the program needed to have more Greens and independents…

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:44 pm

    …The politics that (inaccurately) describes itself as conservative has now been reduced to such obsessions. It pretends to preserve and defend a culture, but notice how it never really enacts it. There is always much talk of values such as “decency and tolerance”, but it’s a real struggle to recall exactly how that was practised at crucial moments or under any stress. On climate change, or asylum seekers, or budget reform or international relations, the message was always one of aggression…

    The Abbott government – and now what we might call the Abbott opposition – was forever hunting enemies. At most it packaged aggression as compassion, but it was always aggression…
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/attacks-by-tony-abbott-donald-trump-on-muslims-political-theologically-illiterate-20151209-gljz1i.html#ixzz3tv7grNa7

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2015 11:58 pm

    Muslims don’t need Western cultural supremacists to tell them what Islam needs
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/muslims-dont-need-western-cultural-supremacists-to-tell-them-what-islam-needs-20151208-glj0d9.html#ixzz3tvEkskzo

    …It seems that Tony Abbott has taken a page out of Donald Trump’s campaign booklet. Last night, in a Sky News interview with Paul Murray, Abbott managed to further alienate an already ailing Muslim community and reinforce white-supremacists everywhere in one fell swoop.
    As a self-proclaimed expert on cultural issues, Abbott has used his personal experience as a Catholic, white male to champion the “freedom and tolerance” in “Western” culture and demanded that the “live and let live” Muslims recognise that “all cultures are not equal” and push for a revolutionary “Islamic reformation” from within…

  155. December 11, 2015 6:37 am

    Good morning teabags,

    Fun day today, blib has been caught (on-video) using the mobile while driving a car somewhere in boltsville, my abc is reminding viewers about last months `coffee-wreckage`:-)

    #yaaaay.blib

  156. December 11, 2015 7:18 am

    the report said,,,,,,the program needed to have more Greens and independents,,,,,,

    #pretty sure we have both said that armchair, we didn`t a `report` to work it out neither:-)

    ,,,,,,,The ABC’s external review, which examined audience selection, panel selection and make up, subject selection and social media strategy, was actually ordered before the Mallah furore, as part of a routine round of editorial reviews by the board.,,,,,,,

    #l`m rather sure that if they investigated it, zaky would still be a much lesser looney than the teabumpkins and teabags

    #squirt, squirt, squirt, death-cult, death-cult, death-cult

  157. December 11, 2015 7:35 am

    waleed,,,,,,,for Abbott, it’s the “straight talking” that is the brand: “We can’t remain in denial” he writes,,,,,,,

    #if the rabbit wrote that `denial` line, he really is a fcuking delusional isn`t he

    waleed,,,,,,because it allows him to cast himself as clear-eyed and brave rather than historically loose and analytically incoherent,,,,,,,,

    #l`ve always thought that rabbit nodding and glaring at the network-7 reporter, unable to answer summed-up the `essence` of rabbit and his ability

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2015 7:55 am

    So Shorten texts while driving! Spills coffee and crashes while driving.

    A driving disaster and political wreck.

  159. December 11, 2015 8:09 am

    l wonder if the team-cheerer will turn-up today.

    l can`t wait to see the excuses:-) #yay.blib

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2015 9:56 am

    Spills coffee and crashes while driving – so he says!

    Should we believe him?

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 10:17 am

    Spills coffee and crashes while driving – so he says!

    Still a lot cheaper than demolishing the NBN … now there’s a real crash and burn …

    The H&S in me says Shorten is a Dickwit© if he was texting and driving … men don’t multi-task at all well … believe me I know …

  162. December 11, 2015 10:18 am

    “”Should we believe him?””

    NO!!

    That was obviously BS…!

  163. December 11, 2015 10:20 am

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  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 10:39 am

    Fun day today, blib has been caught (on-video) using the mobile while driving a car somewhere in boltsville, my abc is reminding viewers about last months `coffee-wreckage`:-)

    You would think he had more sense, they really do think their tedious plotting & scheming is so important. If I was mrs shorten, i’d be ripping him to shreds for such dangerous idiocy, now she knows he can’t be trusted driving the kids anywhere.

    Very juvenile…or a sign of much stress/pressure?

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:00 am

    OT (whatever it was?)

    I see all these young bucks now wearing really tight pants (we used to call ’em “pegged” in the late 60s early 70s) … if “fashion” is a merry-go-round, of which I’m convinced … the we should be seeing flared pants next year or early 2017 …

    Just guessing’ …

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:01 am

    how much will it cost us to keep tony abbott?

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:04 am

    the we should be seeing flared pants next year or early 2017 …
    Just guessing…

    High waists and flares, they’ve been ‘in’ this year TB!

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:26 am

    Former treasurer @JoeHockey mid-term resignation cost taxpayers more than $450,000 in by-election expenses

    That is what gets me about you lefties. I do not disagree with what you are saying but i do disagree because Rudd did the same.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Rudd#Resignation_from_Parliament

    Rudd submitted his resignation in writing to the Speaker, Bronwyn Bishop, on 22 November 2013, formally ending his parliamentary career. A by-election for his seat was held on 8 February 2014, at which he was succeeded as the Member for Griffith by ALP candidate Terri Butler.[15]

    Where was David Marler when Rudd resigned?

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:34 am

    That is what gets me about you lefties. I do not disagree with what you are saying but i do disagree because…

    Yep, that makes perfect sense!

    The backbencher responsible for whatever he wants.

    Tony Abbott: Former PM defends Islam critique as his ‘responsibility’
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-11/abbott-says-speaking-out-on-islam-his-responsibility/7020302

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:47 am

    Why Abbott called for Islam to reform (and it has little to do with religion)
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/sparrow-why-abbott-called-for-a-reform-of-islam/7015854

    …There’s a limit to how far Abbott can go in debating defence policy, partly because he can’t be too explicit in his attacks on Turnbull, and partly because a call for Australia to make a unilateral deployment in Syria would sound unhinged.

    Hence the rhetoric about Islam needing reform.

    It’s all hokum of course. As Kristina Keneally points out, there’s something more than a little bizarre to hear an argument about the necessity of an Islamic reformation coming from a man who trained for the priesthood…

    …How far Abbott can get with this strategy remains to be seen. No matter how much he proclaims himself satisfied with his record as PM, his colleagues remember how consistently unpopular Abbott proved with the public. It would surely require a massive dive in Turnbull’s polling for Abbott’s wing of the Liberals to foist their man back in the top job.

    In the meantime, let’s remember that a recent survey showed Muslims were three times more likely to experience racism than other Australians. Shamefully, the tactics Abbott’s employing in his mission of revenge are likely to fan such sentiment further…

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 11:54 am

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 12:10 pm

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 12:12 pm

  174. December 11, 2015 12:13 pm

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  175. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 12:21 pm

    High waists and flares, they’ve been ‘in’ this year TB!

    Men too, KL? !!!!

    I should get out more! On second thoughts! 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … deranged individual who has his brain addled by religious dogma

    Par for the course then …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    White House says it’s ‘totally contrary’ to US values …

    Its totally lunatic that’s what it is … au contraire my arse!

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2015 12:31 pm

    Criminal charges against CFMEU duo cause fear and loathing among comrades:
    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/criminal-charges-against-cfmeu-duo-cause-fear-and-loathing-among-comrades-20151210-glkeub#ixzz3tyIDeSb3

    …Accusing the CFMEU of a “criminal conspiracy” to damage Boral, Kane told Heydon the union’s alleged conduct against the concrete supplier amounted to “blackmail”.

    He “respectfully” suggested Heydon refer Setka to the Victoria Police for investigation under the blackmail provisions of the Victorian Crimes Act.

    Heydon, often inscrutable, appeared impressed by Kane’s evidence, praising the Illinois lawyer for making “powerful points”. Five months later, Heydon recommended Setka and his deputy, Shaun Reardon, be investigated by police for alleged blackmail…

    …”It’s a very serious precedent,’ ACTU president, Ged Kearney tells AFR Weekend.

    “If industrial action is going to be seen as a crime, what’s to stop workers asking for employers to be charged with blackmail if they say, ‘change your work practices or we will go offshore’.”…

    …Bob Nanva, the national secretary of the Rail, Tram and Bus Union, says the charging of the CFMEU duo could “‘be setting a legal precedent that will have profound and frightening implications for everyone involved in enterprise negotiations”.

    “If an industrial demand from a union is blackmail, then surely an industrial demand from an employer must be blackmail as well,” Nanva says.

    “What, objectively speaking, is the difference between John Setka and Shaun Reardon’s conduct, and the behaviour of Alan Joyce and Qantas, when Qantas shut down its global operations and left passengers around the world stranded in an attempt to pressure unions into accepting his restructuring program?”…

    …Stewart asks why the blackmail provisions would, for instance, also not apply to companies which threaten to cut off business to suppliers unless they agreed to lower prices…

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2015 12:38 pm

    Not content with being Australia’s worst PM since McMahon, Tony Abbott is now working hard to become our worst former PM.

    Onya Tony. Please keep sending the lefties into a frenzy. And buy some more fridges on Gumtree. Please buy a black one to show you are not racist.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 1:26 pm

    Onya Tony. Please keep sending the lefties into a frenzy. And buy some more fridges on Gumtree. Please buy a black one to show you are not racist.

    You seem to be the one in the “frenzy” … besotted, methinks …

  179. December 11, 2015 3:16 pm

    AO,,,,,,a sign of much stress/pressure?,,,,,,

    #Nah, more of a sign of blib and teams `entrenched` stupidity /incompetence in my book, too silly to stay off the mobile while driving to maintain his `coffee-wreckage` bullshit, which everybody now has `confirmed` as bullshit, the next bit of panto will be blib being fined by the plod, due to video

    (it has not gone un-noticed the team-cheerer is m.i.a:-) either)

  180. December 11, 2015 3:31 pm

    Let`s analyze this a little bit,

    tweet,,,,,,,Former treasurer @JoeHockey mid-term resignation cost taxpayers more than $450,000 in by-election expenses,,,,,,

    usual.zombie-talk,,,,,,,That is what gets me about you lefties.,,,,,

    ,,,,,,I do not disagree with what you are saying but i do disagree because Rudd did the same.,,,,,,

    #well done dumbo, you managed to agree `and` disagree with the `leftis`, `and` disagree with yourself, all in a small single paragraph. #out.fcuking.standing:-)

  181. Walrus permalink
    December 11, 2015 3:41 pm

    So where is TomR today ?

    Why is he not here defending Bill Shithead ?

    Or is it all just a media beat up ?

    The only question about Bill that we dont know the answer to yet is…………….

    Can Bill’s approval rating fall below 15% ?

  182. December 11, 2015 3:56 pm

    “”Can Bill’s approval rating fall below 15% ?””

    Wasn’t it 14% the other day…?

  183. December 11, 2015 3:58 pm

    How convenient….

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  184. Walrus permalink
    December 11, 2015 4:07 pm

    Oh I thought it was 15%.

    But where is TomR ?

    Is it the CFMEU Christmas Picnic Day or somethin’ ?

  185. December 11, 2015 4:08 pm

    r,,,,Wasn’t it 14% the other day .. ?,,,,,#yep

    #l still think blib can make 9% without trying too hard #yaaay.blib

  186. Walrus permalink
    December 11, 2015 4:09 pm

    Oh here he is…………………..

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 4:12 pm

    l still think blib can make 9% without trying too hard #yaaay.blib

    And maybe nine demerit points too!

    Yes it was 14% ‘tother day … as all but a very few would know!

  188. Walrus permalink
    December 11, 2015 4:26 pm

    I would like to meet one of those 14%

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2015 5:11 pm

    I would like to meet one of those 14%

    According to the current figures 49% of the Australian population will vote for him.

    I may vote for him to. I do not like what happened. Turnbulls treachery should not be rewarded. I hope the Nats put a candidate in my seat.

  190. December 11, 2015 6:03 pm

    I’m sure we can all expect Tony Abbott to condemn George Pell’s excuse to not attend the Royal Commission.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 6:05 pm

    Frenzied reply from Kneel … 😈

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 6:07 pm

    George Pell’s excuse

    It’s certainly not a reason …

    If the Vatican decides to go to war over it, we could send in The Mad Abbott to shirtfront the pope …

    Time for a reformation …

  193. December 11, 2015 6:20 pm

    k,,,,,I hope the Nats put a candidate in my seat.,,,,

    #l don`t think the teabags and teabumpkins `challenge` each others seats/candidates since the `merger` kneel, tho l may be wrong.

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2015 6:33 pm

    Bill Shorten/Malcom Turnbull

    What is the difference?

  195. December 11, 2015 6:36 pm

    For once I agree with you Neil. Both hollow men.

  196. December 11, 2015 6:49 pm

    k,,,,,What is the difference?,,,,,

    #popularity, one is ensuring the other`s victory

  197. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2015 7:02 pm

    l can`t wait to see the excuses:-) #yay.blib

    Why would I be making excuses? He acted like a dick, he can cop it sweet like the rest of us.

    Wasn’t it 14% the other day…?

    So I guess the answer is yes 😉

    Is it the CFMEU Christmas Picnic Day or somethin’ ?

    CFMEU are too busy kicking shit outta court to bother with chrissie 😉

    But where is TomR ?

    Busy having our chrissie dinner 😉

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 7:09 pm

    For once I agree with you Neil. Both hollow men.

    Sad to say … me too … big difference is I don’t love, The Mad Abbott …

  199. December 11, 2015 7:13 pm

    sbs-news,,,,,,blib fined $430 and 4-points,,,,,#yaay.blib

    blib-said,,,,,,l`m not going top make excuses,,,,,,,

    #Let`s see how fcuking long `that` lasts:-)

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 8:37 pm

    blib fined $430 and 4-points

    Five points to go!

    Shows he’s “one of us” …

    Can Milkum Turnbull drive?

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2015 8:38 pm

    Actually eight points … I was referring to my prediction earlier …

    I can only assume its still 12 points and loss of licence nationally …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2015 10:45 am

    um, ah … does this sound familiar … ?

    Typical signs of a liar include keeping eye contact, grimacing, scowling, nodding and waving their hands around in gesticulation while using filler words like “um” and “ah”. Meanwhile those telling the truth would frown, raise their eyebrows, close their eyes and open their mouth more often.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mind/study-reveals-simple-way-to-spot-a-liar/news-story/4addf9abbe739339fd0a1fb03928e1ab

    oh, how we giggled …

  203. December 12, 2015 6:54 pm

    limited-news,,,,,,,,,the study focused on real-life cases because it`s impossible to create a setting in a laboratory that will give people enough incentive to lie convincingly.

    `The stakes are not high enough,` she said. `We can offer a reward if people can lie well ..

    pay them to convince another person that something false is true. But in the real world there is true motivation to deceive.`,,,,,,,,,

    #ironic that limited-news is exposing it`s troll-farm and denial-factory business model secrets

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2015 4:22 pm

    Keep this up and the Liberals will romp home …

    But we need to see more positives … and not just rhetoric …

    Malcolm Turnbull has lifted the ban imposed by Tony Abbott on wind investment by the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) before it was officially enacted, even though it remains Coalition policy to abolish the green bank.

    A spokeswoman for the prime minister said the new CEFC investment mandate – issued by the environment minister, Greg Hunt, and the finance minister, Mathias Cormann – reflected “the Turnbull government’s strong support for renewables and innovation”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/13/malcolm-turnbull-lifts-abbott-ban-on-government-finance-for-wind-power

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2015 5:11 pm

    Well I’m on my way to Brisbane. I’ve packed my velcro shoes and polyester suit. I like to fit in.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2015 7:20 pm

    Tom, hope your, you’re yer, ya, visa in order … you should fit in here beautifully …

  207. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2015 8:49 pm

  208. December 13, 2015 9:23 pm

    Let`s just see what `actually` results from the paris-ponzi-plan, l still reckon too-little and too-late are going to apply to ocean acidification and effects, which `will` manifest results on-shore too. Don`t cheer too much as it will most likely result in a `not-much` action plan.

  209. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2015 9:07 am

    teambag ‘reckons’ l still reckon preventing people from taking up smoking is ‘nanny state’ gone mad.

    So I’ll take what you ‘reckon’ with a fair slice of hohum, and keep myself in the real world as you wallow with the libs and other assorted deniers

    Labor has called on the prime minister to dump the Coalition’s direct action policy in response to the historic United Nations climate agreement in Paris.

    The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, welcomed the global commitment to holding increases in average temperatures to well below 2C and the further commitment to pursue efforts to limit increases to 1.5C.

    “The objectives of the agreement are crystal clear and Australia now needs to match policies to these objectives,” Shorten and Labor’s environment spokesman, Mark Butler, said in a joint statement on Sunday.

    But they said the government’s direct action policy that paid polluters was completely inadequate and put Australia on a trajectory to fail.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/13/labor-calls-on-pm-to-dump-direct-action-policy-in-light-of-paris-climate-deal?CMP=share_btn_tw

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2015 11:20 am

    But they said the government’s direct action policy that paid polluters was completely inadequate and put Australia on a trajectory to fail.

    Hear! Hear! Get rid of DD and Greg *unt he actually waffles more than Milkum … and while he may have co-written a paper on carbon pricing (sort of) in his uni days he seems to have Abbott’s Alzheimer’s Ailment these days …

    Commitment is great as long as the outcome has a positive ending for the global population (ask the Nazis about that) otherwise its just waffle again …

    Ting! ❓ … like Milkum Turncoat’s ideological trashing of the NBN … what a fkn disaster he made of that INNOVATION!

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2015 11:26 am

    And you wonder why the catlick church comes in for so much criticism … and howls of hypocrisy!

    This prick priest wasn’t asked if he wanted to go to jail … he was found GUILTY and sent to jail!

    The Vatican refused to remove a Victorian priest despite his child sex abuse conviction and the pedophile wanted money to agree to be defrocked, documents obtained by AAP show.

    The Vatican has still not agreed to remove Paul David Ryan, 67, from the priesthood, nine years after the Diocese of Ballarat asked he be dismissed, documents before the child abuse royal commission show.

    Then Ballarat bishop Peter Connors wrote to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 2006 telling them Ryan was in jail and asking he be laicised as soon as possible.

    The Vatican’s response in 2006 was: “The summary of the case that you have provided, while helpful, is insufficient to proceed with your request that Reverend Ryan be dismissed from the clerical state.”

    The Vatican asked for further supporting documentation or that Ryan himself petition the Pope for dispensation from the priesthood, the documents show.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/14/vatican-refused-to-sack-priest-convicted-of-child-sex-abuse-documents-show

  212. December 14, 2015 11:46 am

    the george pell teabag is chucking a sickie, can`t fly back to answer pedo inquiry questions

  213. Rais permalink
    December 14, 2015 7:37 pm

    Mr Abbott feels superior to people who, he says, “justify killing people in the name of God.” Mr Abbott wants Australia to send more forces to Iraq and Syria to kill people. In whose name does Mr Abbott kill people?

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2015 8:42 pm

    LOL! @Rais

    Actually the same dawg as I understand it …

  215. December 15, 2015 11:42 am

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  216. December 15, 2015 11:47 am

    “”In September, the court ruled that Thomson misspent more than $300,000 when he was boss of the union, with dozens of transactions found to be for his personal benefit.””

    BUT HE’S INNOCENT!!

    Who will think of the baby, his wife, his sensitive psychological disposition……??!!

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