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January 5, 2016
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  1. January 5, 2016 1:00 pm

    As requested … 🙂

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2016 4:02 pm

    Outstanding and informative!

  3. January 5, 2016 5:41 pm

    tv.news said an apprentice electrician was killed today on job, only 5-days into new 2016 year and willfully, recklessly, negligently employer has killed a worker, and which state has the honor of killing the first Aust worker in 2016 *drum-roll* boltsville!!!

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 5:46 pm

    …#the problem is not the half-wit regurgitation from `our` teabags armchair, they have little thought of their own, the problem is that below-par politicians `have` been rewarded for this behaviour, along with talking-heads and cowering-media won`t challenge it…

    Yes, if this is how they think they should be able to behave, they really are out of touch elites and bullies, people who have been so indulged in life that they think they can do anything without responsibility.

    Some of the more well known, well paid journalists are complicit with this as well, it’s been a boozy, pat-my-back, leaking-as-journalism, boys club for so long between the journos and pollies. The Australian journos were still defending briggs/dutton this morning. I expect the usuals to start foamng at the mouth – andy bolt, devine mandy and tim wotsisname.

    I’m starting to wonder if female journos have decided that they have had enough and are going to call out sexism and bad behaviour every time, good on them. They were very angry about briggs trying to slut shame the public servant.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 5:53 pm

  6. January 5, 2016 5:56 pm

    AO,,,,,I`m starting to wonder if female journos have decided that they have had enough and are going to call out sexism and bad behaviour,,,,,

    #planet janet? mandy-d? Nah .. if others do it won`t last long

    #nobody has `twigged` the dutton zombie has sam-witch maidens mobile number, what`s the dutton zombie been leaking:-) .. more `noise` about `text`:-)

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 6:35 pm

    ….#nobody has `twigged` the dutton zombie has sam-witch maidens mobile number, what`s the dutton zombie been leaking:-) .. .

    I think that all our pollies have the journo’s phone no. on speed dial. It is how political ‘journalism’ is done these days and shows how cosy it is between the pollies and the canberra press gallery.

    The journo’s should at least have the guts to name the leaker, don’t let them get away with ‘anonymous source’ when they seek to prosecute an agenda in the public domain.

    Another good read from andrew elder of politically homeless who now entitles his blog ‘Press gallery Reform – Rudd and Abbott were never good enough to become Prime Minister. Australians are badly informed by broadcast media. This blog searches for ways to get information on how we are governed, and how we might be governed wants to see press gallery reform’

    Not ready for a ministry:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/not-ready.html

    …For years, Little Jimmy Briggs was touted as a rising star in the Liberal Party – particularly by journalists who’ve been around the press gallery long enough to know better. Just because the Liberal Party holds someone in high regard it doesn’t mean they’re much good: Ross Cameron, Tony Abbott, and Peter Shack, among others, got the Rising Star treatment. They, and we, are all poorer for it…

    …The onus is on the gallery to defend this pointless and destructive demarcation. We’re all flawed in various ways, but where is the philanderer, the pisshead, the fraud, the broken person who is nonetheless particularly good in the execution of public duties (I don’t mean someone who can hold it together so long as the media goes easy on them; I mean someone who can beat all comers from all other parties in a public contest where voters are aware of the facts).

    More than a month elapsed between the incident in Hong Kong and Briggs’ resignation. Canberra must have been abuzz with rumours, yet the press gallery either a) missed them, or b) knew all about it and hid it from us. How many media cycles are there in a month? There are more than two hundred “journalists” in the press gallery’ every one of them has been derelict in their duties, and now that Christmas is behind us all now should show cause why they should not be dismissed…

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:19 pm

    In which the saga of the witches’ brew turns into a proxy war:
    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/in-which-saga-of-witches-brew-turns.html#.Vot2xxV97IU

    …Let’s be clear from the outset. The reptiles of Oz want to nail Turnbull, and justify the hares they themselves set running on the weekend, wherein they tried to lather up a case that Briggs had been harshly treated – and trotted out the dog botherer to make the case…

    …Calling for the release of the report is merely a way to make more mischief, a new front on the eternal proxy war designed to give Malware a hard time…

    …The result is, in its own small way, a proxy war – about the only thing missing from current reptile coverage of the Briggs matter is the chance to drag that public servant fully out into the public eye, and humiliate her in best, classic, Newscorp way … for tearing down a minister they themselves admit was a useless lump, but dear to the reptile heart, because he was a useless Tony Abbott-supporting lump.

    Just for the obfuscatory, devious, double-dealing proxy war record, here’s the Oriel piece.

    Note well the illustration, which provides a mocking indictment of the obscured face of the devious hussy who caused all the fuss in the first place, no doubt as a result of her piercing eyes, or is that her beautiful eyes?…

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:32 pm

    We need to talk about what Jamie did.
    http://noplaceforsheep.com/2016/01/01/we-need-to-talk-about-what-jamie-did/

    …It’s interesting that if a woman is drunk, and sexually harassed or assaulted, society’s default position is still that she shouldn’t have been drinking. On the other hand, the Briggs incident reaffirms for us that there are people in positions of considerable influence and power who still believe that if a man sexually harasses woman when he’s drunk it isn’t his fault: he’s really a decent bloke who’s had a hard day, and he can blame it on the drink. The woman, on the other hand, is a moll and a slut for getting out there and getting pissed and assaulted, and nobody even asks if she’s had a hard day.

    I mean, really. When are we going to get past this? Ever?…

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:37 pm

    As requested … 🙂

    Thanx Jummy … gotta think of the zombies on their dumb phones … 🙂

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:38 pm

    Outstanding and informative!

    Compliments your comments, ToM … 😉

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:46 pm

    “It’s what one bloke thought he was saying to another bloke,” Mr Joyce said

    The problem is the Dumbfucks© who vote for these Fuckwits®!

    Its like War of the Worlds, “… and still they come …” o_O

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:51 pm

    …The onus is on the gallery to defend this pointless and destructive demarcation.

    The poorly trained, Murdoch chained, weak and controlled and easily rolled … GMAFB!

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2016 7:53 pm

    More than a month elapsed between the incident in Hong Kong and Briggs’ resignation.

    And like any good Liberal Leader PM Turnbull sat on his pimply arse counting out his money … reactive? You bet you are …

  15. January 5, 2016 8:49 pm

    Yeah armchair l caught the np4sheep post a couple of days ago, wilson did a pretty good job of it l reckon.

    #incident involving Briggs + unnamed public servant + chief of staff

    #what l noticed is, we don`t really know why they were on this restaurants/bars, plush-hotels honk-kong junket (probably taxpayer funded) Do we?

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 10:14 pm

    The owner of the loon pond did not forget to check on george pell this xmas and his greatest defender polonius henderson.

    In which prattling Polonius defends the right of any man to wear a good-looking frock …
    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/in-which-prattling-polonius-defends.html#.Vouj4hV97IU

    …Now when Polonius is disturbed, it’s a sure sign that wicked progressives are lurking somewhere in the arras, and so dear brethren, let us turn to the text of the day, and to the splendid set of homilies delivered unto us by the prattler, thanks be unto the lizards of Oz …

  17. January 5, 2016 11:29 pm

    elder,,,,,,,it isn`t good enough for the press gallery to say: we knew he was like that.

    Whenever there is any discrepancy between insider knowledge and the general awareness of the public, journalism has failed.

    You have to tell us, show us what they`re like .. and none of this Annabel Crabb confected shit either.

    We can handle the truth, the press gallery’s job is to tell it,,,,,,

    +

    elder,,,,,They still fall over surprised at things that should be foreseeable. The press gallery is not some politico-media protection racket, and it is not the media`s job to protect politicians against the populace they serve,,,,,,

    #unfortunately there is no light at the end of the tunnel and cowering-media are not likely to improve, but get much worse

  18. January 5, 2016 11:37 pm

    elder,,,,,,Tony Windsor points out what the press gallery never could – that two old men (Warren Truss and Bruce Scott) are prolonging their political careers to block Barnaby Joyce, who will inevitably be elected Nationals leader – and hence Deputy Prime Minister – if Truss retires over coming weeks,,,,,,

    +

    elder,,,,,,The NSW election last March showed the Nationals are the only Coalition partner at risk of losing seats to the Greens. Joyce has a profile all right, and the press gallery love him – but so what?

    Barnaby Joyce is already a dead loss to the parliament and government of our country, but the press gallery can’t imagine their “jobs” without him,,,,,,

    #it is good to see the teabumpkins are on elder`s and windsor`s radar too:-)

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 5:37 pm

    I think it went something like this:

    Briggs: “A fkn junior diplomat has complained about that night I got on the piss, if they don’t want us to get pissed, why do they have the taxpayer fork out for it? It was the piss talking, not me”
    I’m a minister of the crown, not the ‘junior’ minister they keep saying in the press, this fkn girl shouldn’t be able to get me sacked, no matter what I do”

    Dutton: “Yeah, that’s not on. I think we need to show fkn Turnbull what he’s up against”.

    Briggs: “Here she is, I’ve got a photo of her on my phone”

    Dutton: “Why have you got that?”

    Briggs: “I was quite taken with her at the time and I thought she would be agreeable…fkn bitch!”

    Dutton: “Let’s talk to Tony and the monkey pod, send him the photo now”

    a few mins later

    Dutton: “We’ll send the photo to murdoch mate. We’ve got to be careful about privacy though. Everyone will be able to see that she was up for it and we’ll show that the departmental committee was stacked against you”

    Briggs: Righto…I’ll have to send it through a third party so I can honestly say when asked that it didn’t come from me. Who will we get? What if they notice it could only have come from my phone though?

    Dutton: “We don’t really have to worry about that, the damage will already have been done to the bitch firstly, then in turn to malcolm”

    Briggs: “OK, let’s do it, send it to the oz. I refuse to be treated like this, I’m so fkn angry, I’m ready to explode, my wife is talking about divorce. Make sure you cc tony into everything and tell them to make sure the oz boys go in hard for me.”

    Dutton: “I’m going to tell everyone about that samantha maiden article, she’s really stepped over the line and gone all feminazi in that article. Bloody, fkn bitch journo, I hate dealing with them, those fkn females, they always make sure I’m looking incompetent, fkn bitches the lot of them.
    .
    Briggs: “How fkn dare they?”

    😆

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 5:59 pm

    ROBBER BARONS IN COURT

    Both teens stood before Texas State District Judge Jean Boyd and made a plea for mercy. Miller, who had a 0.11 blood alcohol reading at the time he was arrested in 2004, received 20 years in jail for one count of murder and one count of failing to stop and render first aid.

    Couch, whose story is back in the news after he broke his generous parole conditions and fled to Mexico, had a blood-alcohol level more than three times the legal limit when he was arrested almost 10 years after Miller. Instead of receiving prison time, Couch was let go with a slap on the wrist — 10 years probation and a stint in an upscale rehabilitation clinic in California.

    The difference between the two men? One was rich and the other was poor. One was raised by millionaire parents and afforded a privileged upbringing. The other was raised by his grandfather because his father left and his mother was a drug addict.

    Judge Boyd, who retired almost immediately after the Couch decision, has not publicly commented on the different treatments the two teens received. It’s difficult to find too many differences in the pair’s (sic) cases.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/judge-jean-boyd-sentenced-teen-to-20-years-for-same-crime-ethan-couch-committed/news-story/31451e5467bdf35d894c3cc1293a5d2d

    Coupla things struck me with this …

    The judge retired when? Mmmmmm …

    “Difficult to find too many differences” Four deaths – no jail … one death 20years … for a start …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 6:00 pm

    I think it went something like this:

    Lotsa work around for script writers, KL … 😀

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 6:07 pm

    While we all shudder at the North Korean nuclear “test” …

    Of all nations to complain …

    France has now condemned the nuclear test and has called for a “strong reaction from the international community”, president François Hollande’s office said in a statement.

    The statement said the claims of a hydrogen bomb detonation were “an unacceptable violation of [UN] security council resolutions”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jan/06/north-korea-major-announcement-artificial-earthquake-nuclear-test-site-live

    Fkn hypocrites … some of us remember:

    Mururoa Atoll; and

    Rainbow Warrior

    There was no reason for French nuclear “tests” either!

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 6:39 pm

    Rainbow Warrior

    Every NZander I know is still very angry about it.

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 7:06 pm

    More moonlighting

  25. January 6, 2016 7:25 pm

    tb/via,,,,,,Judge Boyd, who retired almost immediately after the Couch decision,,,,,,

    #this was a doco on tv last night teebz, rich-kid `couch` also injured eleven? others, he was under-age for even driving, let-alone the booze`n drugs

    #basically the locals near `rioted`, and that was the end of the judge and her career prospects

    #the rich parents were fcuking arrogant cnuts, and the sister was the only one with a brain among`em

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2016 7:27 pm

    Putting up with hypocrites is preferable to more nuclear proliferation

  27. January 6, 2016 7:40 pm

    armchair January 6, 2016 5:37 pm,,,,,I think it went something like this,,,,,,

    #excellent #ROFL

    #l have noticed there is some screeching from talkbull/others over `picture` and `identity` of this female `so-called` secretary/assistant or whatever she is, RE briggs

    #l`m thinking this woman may be asio/asis/spook/etc #since when have they (govt/media) really ever given a flying fcuk about victims of misogyny, citizens privacy or `lifting` citizens content including photo`s of fakebook? #hint, they haven`t

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 7:48 pm

    Putting up with hypocrites is preferable to more nuclear proliferation

    I think I agree with that … even with the Pommie mindset that Frogs can never be trusted … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, that second graph is dramatic … however I noticed that the “estimate” was October 2014 … I suspect it has significantly increased over the last two + years!

    The Liberal Party is not only controlled by Robber Barons but supported and voted for by Robber Barons and Wannabe Robber Barons … fuck anybody else … especially that middle class shite who actually work honestly, without lying, cheating, thieving, destroying others and deceit to achieve …

    As an afterthought … I walked past a NBN concrete cover this morning and thought … how does Teflon Turncoat expect people to innovate in the 21st Century if they can’t communicate in the 21st Century?

    And he can’t wind back his stupidly dumb decisions without drawing attention to his destruction of the one thing that would have given Australia an innovative edge globally … fibre optic to the home … many small businesses operate from home … I did for 16 years!

  29. January 6, 2016 7:59 pm

    Putting up with squirting hypocrites over nukies is preferable

  30. January 6, 2016 8:32 pm

    TB,,,,,,,he can`t wind back his stupidly dumb decisions without drawing attention to his destruction,,,,,,

    #the copper-class-innovation-leader must have some funny/strange discussions with his monkey-pod over `atlassian` and their copper-class-nbn, l`d love to fcuking hear`em #fly.on.wall

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 9:22 pm

    Coupla things struck me with this …
    The judge retired when? Mmmmmm …

    Me too TB, I immediately thought that she’d got an offer that she couldn’t refuse. The locals showed her why she could no longer go on working. Reality bites.

    What a piece of work!

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 6, 2016 9:43 pm

    KL, that second graph is dramatic

    Certainly is.Govt debt was zero in 2007. Actually it was less than zero. It was at -3.8% of GDP meaning we had money in the bank.

    The Rudd/Gillard govt has started a runaway debt truck which most probably cannot be stopped.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 9:52 pm

    The farmers are upset now that [backpacker] tax cuts will affect them:

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-06/growcom-spearheads-attack-on-federal-backpacker-tax-hike/7071258

    Abbott’s determined to get back into the big chair

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 10:25 pm

    The good citizens of Mayo appear to be having second thoughts too:
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/former-cities-minister-jamie-briggs-dismisses-rumours-he-could-retire-as-mp-for-mayo-at-2016-election/news-story/b480f9d8f7d3a87928aac9c552c7c676#load-story-comments

    deluded 8 hours ago
    For a job they claim doesn’t pay much they fight hard to retain them. They fight harder than they do for us when they have them that’s for sure.

    rod 6 hours ago
    @deluded His alternative would be a used car salesman or such alike,

    he must stay on and enjoy the life we provide him.

    @rod

    I would not trust him to sell me a used car,. .. Let him stand in the dole queue..

    john 12 hours ago
    Having now seen his CV, I’m not sure there’s anything else he’s qualified to do.

    Malcolm 11 hours ago
    @john

    I would imagine his CV is like his head…Blank

    Russell 14 hours ago
    Sorry Jamie I will not be voting for you at the next election if you are standing … Long voting Liberal voter but after this cannot vote Liberal in this seat now unless another candidate stands

    David 13 hours ago
    @Russell Preferably one with more ‘qualifications’ than year 10 Art

    Alan 9 hours ago
    @Rob It would not matter who the Liberals put up as a candidate, a lot of Liberals just vote for the party and not the representative. Briggs was forced onto the people of Mayo by the party machine and was “anointed” by Alexander Downer, at the time he did not even live any where near the electorate and others who were local were pushed aside to make way for the “Work Choices King” in Briggs, a former John Howard staffer. Was that jobs for the boys? By the way I used to live in Mount Barker, but left when things got out of control there on all levels of government.

    Chad 14 hours ago
    Briggs must go. I live in Mayo and there is no way I would even consider voting for such a dishonest Member, ever. He will struggle with the new Xenophon candidate being locally highly regarded. The damage to the Liberal brand in Mayo will be long lasting, we used to have high calibre Liberal candidates like Alexander Downer. Now we have Briggs.

    Jack 6 hours ago
    @Chad Onya Chad! – the Elephant in the Room of course is this: why did the good burghers of Mayo, reject 10 eminently ‘representative’candidates at the 2008 Mayo by-election … & vote zombie-like, for a reactionary rookie ring-in – parachuted-down from LNP HQ – who had never done an actual days ‘dinkum yakka’ work in his entire life to that point – not to mention having an IQ which makes even the thickest of Stogie Poles seem Einsteinian???

    Makes the rest of us wonder just WTF were youse thinking?

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 11:09 pm

    And brough “asking” for a $100,000 pay CUT?

    What’s his sneaky game now?

    $100,000 CUT … FMD! That’s more than most earn HONESTLY in a year!

  36. January 6, 2016 11:12 pm

    l think this post is largely bullshit armchair,

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-06/growcom-spearheads-attack-on-federal-backpacker-tax-hike/7071258

    l spent years traveling and working, often staying at `backpackers`, the shit-kicker rates `on-books` was around 12-bucks/hour, most backpackers worked `off-books` at 3-or-4 bucks/hour. l`m calling bullshit as most workplaces are not inspected and wide open to abuse, take a look at `myers` cleaners and `7-11` stores ripping-off. They don`t `Enforce/Police` work-laws in capital cities, no hope in hell at rural locations.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2016 11:28 pm

    Oh how we chuckled in merriment and laughingly!

    Western Australia would not be able to privatise its electricity assets “even if they gave it to them for nothing” because the popularity of rooftop solar panels has made state-owned power stations unprofitable, a renewable energy expert has said.

    Prof Philip Jennings, a lecturer in energy and physics at Curtin University, said the uptake of solar was a looming problem for the Barnett government, which has indicated it may consider privatising some or all of its energy assets after the 2017 state election.

    An analysis of energy regulator data by Curtin University found that rooftop solar panels had the capacity to produce more electricity than any power station servicing the Perth grid.

    WA’s electricity network is 66% over capacity, thanks in part to an unexpected increase in rooftop solar.

    “Effectively we have built another very large power station on the rooftops of Perth, and that is what has thrown the government’s calculations out because they didn’t factor it into their calculations when they decided to go in and bring [coal-fired power stations] Muja A and B back online,” Jennings told Guardian Australia.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/06/was-rooftop-solar-so-popular-power-privatisation-not-an-option-says-expert

    Politicians playing in the sand pit again … LOL!

    Bring on the new age power storage! That’ll really put the electrons among the coal dust!

  38. January 6, 2016 11:48 pm

    Without having checked, l reckon the `guardian` is east-coast `printed/published`

    What `guardian` attributes to jennings, l have no truck with.

    What `guardian` attributes to wa-govt seems wrong, two years plus ago, the wa-govt had already discussed `grid-abandonment` in parliament, and west-coast media reported, 21-months later, east-coast based reportland finally did some reporting of it

    #is guardian a nest of `lefties`? aimed at `lefties`?

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2016 11:56 pm

    And brough “asking” for a $100,000 pay CUT?

    He made sure it got plenty of media attention too. He should be in jail though.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2016/01/06/brough-wants-100k-pay-cut/

    …Shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus has led the attacks on Mr Brough, and has welcomed Mr Brough’s request for a pay cut.

    But he has told ABC Radio National that Mr Brough’s tenure as a minister should be ended, regardless of the outcome of the AFP investigation.

    “He should not have been appointed to the ministry in the first place,” Mr Dreyfus said.

    “Yes, it’s appropriate that Mr Brough no longer accept that ministerial salary, but it’s also appropriate that he never again appear in the Turnbull ministry.”…

    Tax avoidance is big business:
    http://www.solidarity.net.au/web/tax-avoidance-is-big-business/

    I hate Australian capitalism. Will I be stripped of my Australian passport ?
    http://enpassant.com.au/2015/05/26/i-hate-australian-capitalism-will-i-be-stripped-of-my-australian-passport/

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2016 1:07 pm

    Courageous whistle-blower, Simone Marsh, shines a further spotlight into the murky and corrupt relationship between the Queensland gas industry and the politicians who are supposed to serve the interests of the public.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/whistle-blower-simone-marshs-new-expos-the-corrupt-birth-of-the-queensland-gas-industry,8547#.Vo2lpzs-xDk.twitter

    take a bow, western nations!

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2016 1:44 pm

    White privilege on parade re armed militants in oregon.

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/oregonunderattack-armed-militants-have-occupied-a-building-in-the-us-since-saturday-but-its-totally-chill-20160105-glzzzx.html

  42. January 7, 2016 8:00 pm

    FFS, with ALL the things there are for so-called `reporters` to interrogate, investigate and interview mr-rabbit about, on reportland fcuking sabra-lane is interviewing mr-rabbit about fcuking ART and his favorite `painting`

    #sabra needs to stop hanging-out with annabel and her kitchen `fluff`

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2016 8:47 pm

  44. January 7, 2016 9:18 pm

    harpers,,,,,,,Things are clearer on the ground. Not long ago, far away from the think tanks and briefing rooms where policies are formulated and spun, a small boy in the heart of Nusra territory was telling a filmmaker for Vice News about Osama bin Laden. “He terrified and fought the Americans,” he said reverently. Beside him, his brother, an even smaller child, described his future: “To become a suicide fighter for the sake of God.” A busload of older boys was asked which group they belonged to. “Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda,” they responded cheerfully,,,,,,

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/special-relationship-us-teaming-al-qaeda-again/ri11838

    #still.not.learning #yaay.teh.usa

  45. January 7, 2016 10:03 pm

    Do We ALL remember this?

    smh,,,,,,,Leigh Sales will soon be joined on air with new political editor Sabra Lane.

    The ABC’s 7.30 will be presented by an all-female cast as of next week.

    The national broadcaster’s current affairs chief political correspondent Sabra Lane is set to replace political editor Chris Uhlmann,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/730-to-feature-an-allstar-allfemale-line-up-20130910-2thu4.html

    #we the viewers, had to endure endless crap-viewing of crap-interviewing by toolman until replacement by an all-star girl-power `cast`, giving reportland viewers hope of better viewing and reportage

    #somehow l don`t think sabra and her art-fluff met those ideals tonight

    (and no, we can`t blame toolman)

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:05 am

    Just a reminder …

    No mention of:

    ► Negative Gearing welfare

    ► Trust Fund welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the rich welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax dodge welfare

    ► Present pollie’s expenses welfare

    ► Post pollie’s expenses welfare

    ► Bean bag wastefulness

    ► International Travel wastefulness

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:34 am

    Just a reminder …

    And another reminder. Howard/Costello paid off $96B of Hawke/Keating debt, started a $80B Future Fund and ran surplus budgets without doing anything in your list.

  48. January 8, 2016 1:17 am

    And another reminder, nobody gives a flying fcuk kneel.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2016 2:24 am

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 10:31 am

    HISTORY REPEATING?

    Why do I get a whiff of WWI here?

    Turkey summons Iran envoy over media link

    Turkey summoned Iran’s ambassador on Thursday to demand a halt to Iranian media reports linking the execution of a Shi’ite cleric by Saudi Arabia with last week’s visit to Riyadh by President Tayyip Erdogan.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/turkey-summons-iran-envoy-over-media-link/news-story/a4bd9c25d410772291f0df881e0f7e60

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 8, 2016 10:45 am

    And another reminder, nobody gives a flying fcuk kneel.

    Yes rather than spending money more wisely let us tax the crap out of people. Howard/Costello ran surplus budgets without looking around for people/things to tax.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2016 11:47 am

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:01 pm

    Is there a mossie in here?

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:05 pm

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYJqMGPUwAA23AD.jpg:large

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:06 pm

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 12:07 pm

    Much better!

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2016 1:51 pm

    So is this a subject for discussion? Or should it be ignored?

    Cologne residents grapple with migrant link to shocking claims of mass sex attacks
    The German city is reeling after a series of apparently co-ordinated sexual assaults on local women, allegedly committed by large groups of “Arab-looking men”.
    Various reports give startling accounts of dozens of offenders surrounding victims, robbing them and in many cases sexually violating them. At least one rape has been reported.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/cologne-residents-grapple-with-migrant-link-to-shocking-claims-of-mass-sex-attacks/news-story/286d1e3bfee6a9620d85f7169d00f529

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2016 1:59 pm

  59. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2016 4:01 pm

    “So is this a subject for discussion? Or should it be ignored?”

    Rapists sans Frontieres……????????????????????????????????

  60. Walrus permalink
    January 8, 2016 4:03 pm

    Happy New Year all…………………………..!

    I trust and hope everyone came thru unscathed.

    Now with the niceties over lets now resume normal programming of sledging and insults.

    🙂

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 4:34 pm

    Oh, I thought all the rich folk were on holiday for at least another month (or two) …

    Happy NY … Sir Walt … 🙂

  62. January 8, 2016 7:05 pm

    smh,,,,,,Unemployment has risen substantially since the Coalition’s “great economic managers” took the helm in 2013. And despite the budget-blowing decisions to scrap the mining tax and the carbon tax the global mining boom ended anyway.

    So what is the Coalition going to do to kick-start a flagging economy undergoing rapid structural change? Crack down on union governance and pay retail workers lower wages?

    That should fix it, said no macroeconomist ever,,,,,,

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/unions-bgrade-politicians-and-mole-hills-20151231-glxoua.html

    smh,,,,,,Australia needs an agenda to crack down on the rent seekers and their corrupt cronies. And it needs an agenda to create jobs now that our fair weather friends in the mining industry are once again skipping town. A new watchdog with a narrow focus and politicised agenda might help magnify some molehills, but it will also serve to remind the public that, yet again, our political class are ignoring the mountains in our path.

    If Bill Shorten calls for a strong federal version of ICAC he could elevate not just the issue of corruption, but himself and his party. The Coalition wants a platform to look further into Shorten’s past. Why not give them one that opens Pandora’s box.

    The public would love it, and only those Federal MPs with something to hide should fear it,,,,,,

  63. January 8, 2016 7:12 pm

    2319,,,,,,So is this a subject for discussion?,,,,,,

    Looks like you`re a bit fcuked when ya`don`t have a `handbook` to regurgitate from. Be a `big-boy` and think for ya`self.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 8, 2016 8:18 pm

    Unemployment has risen substantially since the Coalition’s “great economic managers” took the helm in 2013. And despite the budget-blowing decisions to scrap the mining tax and the carbon tax the global mining boom ended anyway.

    Apparently Richard Dennis wrote that. Nothing but a big liar like all lefties.

    Unemployment exploded under Rudd/Gillard. In 6 years it went from 4.3% to 5.8% and hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs. Since 2013 unemployment has gone from 5.8% to 6%. A small increase.

    Richard Dennis is a fraud.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2016 11:26 pm

    Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 9, 2016 1:07 am

    Sexual harassment at work is profoundly damaging and unfair
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/sexual-harassment-at-work-is-profoundly-damaging-and-unfair-20160107-gm1gmh.html#ixzz3wf4qm7qI

    Why are feminists refusing to discuss the Cologne sex attacks?
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/why-are-feminists-refusing-to-discuss-the-cologne-sex-attacks/

  67. Walrus permalink
    January 9, 2016 11:19 am

    Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark !

    AO linked to The Spectator ???????????????

    Did you hit your head or something ????????????

  68. January 9, 2016 12:21 pm

    Hi. It’s me. I’m back.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 9, 2016 12:40 pm

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 9, 2016 1:11 pm

    Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …

    I knew you would fall asleep at lies. Richard Dennis said this

    Unemployment has risen substantially since the Coalition’s “great economic managers” took the helm in 2013

    Unemployment was at 5.8% when Labor lost office and is now at 6%. That is not a substantial rise. It is a very small rise.

    A substantial rise is unemployment going from 4.3% in 2007 to 5.8% in 2013 which happened under Rudd/Gillard.

    Richard Dennis is a lying piece of fifth.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2016 2:36 pm

    Hi. It’s me. I’m back.

    Relaxed. Happy. Tolerant and Carefree one would hope … wouldn’t one?

    BTW we’ve got an infestation of mossies on the blog … got any insect spray handy? I used all mine up while you were gallivanting around SE Asia!

    And a Hippy New Yeeer ta, Jummy! (and V of course!)

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 9, 2016 2:47 pm

    BTW we’ve got an infestation of mossies on the blog

    Yes and i am here to tell you that YOU locked up 2,00 kids and 50,000 asylum seekers but did not give a stuff until Abbott was elected.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 9, 2016 2:50 pm

    Welcome back reb.

  74. January 9, 2016 4:09 pm

    Thanks ToM and TB.

    🙂

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 10, 2016 7:57 pm

    Hello reb, hope you had lots of fun and are both feeling hale and hearty after your holiday!

    Here’s a couple of things for us to ponder. Nick zenophon taking on both abbott & pyne at the next election. They are both safe lib seats, interesting to see how it turns out. We might make bets on when it starts to get nasty ;

    Migrant Marie Rowland ready for ‘David and Goliath battle’ for Tony Abbott’s seat:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/10/migrant-marie-rowland-ready-for-david-and-goliath-battle-for-tony-abbotts-seat

    Nick Xenophon dismisses ‘nasty’ campaign against candidates after Christopher Pyne text claim:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-21/pyne-reportedly-texts-radio-host-about-xenophon/7045242

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 10, 2016 8:00 pm

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 10, 2016 8:10 pm

  78. January 10, 2016 9:08 pm

    Thanks AO, just a bit tired and jaded from it all….. but otherwise fine… 🙂

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 10, 2016 10:06 pm

    Thanks AO, just a bit tired and jaded from it all….. but otherwise fine…

    I know what you mean. I think I feel tired and jaded from life itself [don’t let me bring you down] but at xmas I often think, well that’s another fkn year that’s gone so quickly that I can almost feel the breeze of it on my face and WTF has changed?
    I’m weary of it. All the crap that is australia today, it hasn’t changed in decades, we’re still fighting for things like equality for women and our indigenous people, still the same nasty sexism and same narrow debates that are all the political class and media allow us to have, where bigotry and racism divide, while the elites are robbing us blind. The real issues left festering, like the corporisation of government [labor & libs] the privatisation by stealth of everything. I’m sick & tired of it all and I am angry and ready for the revolution!
    Let’s take it all back and start again, re-nationalise everything! Banks, power & water, minerals, health & education. Make it work for the good of all the citizens of this country, not the few elites, including the political class who also have their hands out.

    Where’s our jeremy corbyn or bernie sanders??

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2016 11:13 pm

    Where’s our jeremy corbyn or bernie sanders??

    Indeed! Hear! Hear!

    It’s like living in a wasteland of corporate Uber Kapitalism … every decision is short term based upon money … and eventually the consequences of those short term decisions cost more than the simply providing a service … whether government, free enterprise or something dumb like sport, or entertainment …

    “How can we make a quick buck!” seems to wash around us like dirty toilet water …

    And how can we “innovate” if we can’t “communicate” … ’cause the NBN is now fkd for at least a decade!

  81. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:07 am

    Welcome back gutters, hopes you all had a good break. Sounds like same old same old from same old same old reading back on some of the same old comments. Well, at least he’s consistent.

    And a special welcome back to our blogmaestro. Hope you got far enough away from the seasons festivities to enjoy them 😉

    Also, it appears the grubmint has continued to implode on itself over the break, lovely. All those who claimed the misogyny was all in our mind might want to take stock I reckon.

    the money that is owed by the tax dodging bastards

    Of course, getting the money back would be the first step (unless you are a green I guess, they’ve never been real good with numbers)

    I wonder what their opinion of the current mob (yea, the real enema) ripping the incentive for pap smears out of medicare is? It was a small but significant step in preventing the total collapse of bulk billing. Or are they too busy blaming Labor for not doing enough whilst they bicker, bitch and stymie from the background? Eyes on the real enema peeps

  82. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:18 am

    cause the NBN is now fkd for at least a decade!

    Funny you should mention that TB, just read this this morning

    Paul Lavings is exactly the sort of man of innovation for whom ­Malcolm Turnbull says the National Broadband Network and its high-speed internet is designed.

    He’s a website designer who runs his business from home on the NSW central coast, telecommuting rather than clogging up the roads and the atmosphere by driving to an office.

    But because NBN Co is running hopelessly late in delivering on a promise to connect him and about 1000 other residents in Koolewong and neighbouring suburbs near Woy Woy, he’s stuck with mediocre broadband, which is undermining his business.

    The story itself is really just a rehash of the argument for a real NBN which has been run since it was first conceived on the back of a coaster (or wherever), and used to counter the stupidity of the libs nobn created for rupert. What is remarkable is the SOURCE

    [hint] do the google trick on the headline if the link won’t work 😉

    “Mediocre NBN wrecks innovation nation”

    If it wasn’t so serious, it would be laughable.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:57 am

    If it wasn’t so serious, it would be laughable.

    I agree, TR, however, reading the comments its obvious most people really miss the point …

    The initial concept was the way to go … FTTH … this ideological mish mash of Turncoat’s mob is the reason people are having problems … copper, fibre, cable (that’s mostly copper) and wireless is a disaster …

    And history will prove that the Liberals stuffed it … and many other projects … Hockey may talk about “lifters and leaners” … its really about “builders and destroyers” and the Liberals are certainly the latter!

    Vote Liberal – Vote Luddite … 😦

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 9:29 am

    reading the comments its obvious most people really miss the point …

    You forget one thing TB

    People commenting there would be subscribers to the oz

    nuff said 😉

    The initial concept was the way to go … FTTH

    Not to be pedantic TB, but FTTP 😉

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1196728

    And I have heard rumours that the nobn is being considered to be upgraded to FTTC, better than FTTN, far better still than “mixed” madness, but still not quite FTTP (and which will probably cost just as much, but with the added bonus of every house laying our for the last leg, a win win for contractors, but a waste of bloody money)

    It’s like lino (etc). Lay it once, lay it right.

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 11, 2016 10:00 am

    “Where’s our jeremy corbyn or bernie sanders??”

    Everywhere!!!

    We have quasi-commo cunts aplenty in this country. Truckloads of twats wherever you turn – all of the Greens, most of the Labor left, all of them clamouring to fuck up the country with their stone-age economics and totalitarian approach to press freedom and free speech.

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 10:11 am

    totalitarian approach to press freedom and free speech.

    You mean like the libs have been doing 😉

    Meanwhile, Bills back from his hols too

    “​Of course, state leaders are under pressure to find more money – that’s because the Turnbull Liberals in Canberra have cut $80 billion from schools and hospitals,” Mr Shorten said, referring to cuts in the 2014 federal budget.

    “But increasing the price of everything by jacking up the GST and the cost of living is not the answer.

    “These families deserve a decent standard of living and that’s why I am absolutely opposed to the Liberals increasing the GST.”

    Mr Shorten questioned why the government was “soft” on multinational tax avoidance but was considering going “hard on families by increasing the GST”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-leader-bill-shorten-rebukes-nsw-opposition-leader-luke-foley-over-gst-comments-20160110-gm2uaf.html#ixzz3wsyRFoTN
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    I’m guessing that’s because “the table” wasn’t big enough for the real stuff Billy.

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 10:57 am

    …all of the Greens, most of the Labor left, all of them clamouring to fuck up the country with their stone-age economics and totalitarian approach to press freedom and free speech…

    And none of them can get anywhere near the levers of power, the greens don’t have the level of support yet and that’s just how lab/lib like it, they both use the media to try and nobble them by lies and threats of national bankruptcy [just like you have done]. Labor left is always stymied by the stacking done by labor right. As far as I’m concerned the most progressive govt we had was the gillard minority with greens/indy support – look at how ‘the establishment’ went absolutely apeshit! and then look at what replaced her!

    Zenophon is going to contest tony abbott and christopher pyne’s seats at the next election and pyne has already said that will force labor & lib to both smash him.
    The big two don’t allow anything different in this country, and the voters hate what they give us, lab/lib think there governance is some kind of natural right or inheritance.

    Still, I wait and hope for change, ready to take to the streets to demand better. We’ve done it before

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 11:04 am

    I’m guessing that’s because “the table” wasn’t big enough for the real stuff Billy.

    Billy is not cutting through, he doesn’t have the unblemished character [the RC has done the job it was meant to do] and he doesn’t have the charisma, which is why smooth talking malcolm will pull the wool over people’s eyes with his charming lies.

    He is the labor leader we didn’t have to have, the one who labor right forced on us. If anything, the new rules showed him to be illegitimate, not the ‘one we want’ like everything in oz politics, we [the people] are just not getting what we want!

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 11:14 am

    ’m guessing that’s because “the table” wasn’t big enough for the real stuff Billy.

    The table and the chair, are too big for little billy, he can’t see above it, where’s his booster seat?

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/1c1fe1a830da2eaf57f207ef25dc3fa4be6fff9f/0_0_2400_3969/master/2400.jpg?w=940&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=c89fb085eb855567db763ddf67c869a1

  90. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 11:29 am

    they both use the media

    lol ao, and welcome back. Hope you had a good break.

    Do you have an example of Labor using the media?

    Billy is not cutting through

    Of course not, (see my above request)

    This doesn’t mean he cannot win. And, just because the rc (along with a certain abc show ) portrayed him quite negatively and inaccurately doesn’t mean he cannot win.

    In fact, with the libs continuing to implode, and with a proven policy platform that has much to thank from Shorten, Labor are still in with a strong chance to knock off a first term grubmint, especially when the likes of murdor are turning their eye toward malcayman.

    But, continue to bitch about a leadership process that is still far more representative and open than the greens recent baton pass was 😉

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 11:30 am

    … all of them clamouring to fuck up the country with their stone-age economics and totalitarian approach to press freedom and free speech.

    er, that sounds more like the Tories than the ALP!

    Close down the ABC … control ministers available for interview … appear constantly on Sky … to avoid all those difficult questions and just take the Aunt Sallys … for those who can subscribe … fk up the NBN, fk up medicare, FK up PBS, education, fk up the ADF, fk all refugees and asylum seekers – the list of destruction is endless …

    The Mad Abbott is still running the circus … if he keeps it up they’ll call it a miracle and make him a saint …

    Milkum Turncoat is a smiley figurehead puppet mouthing placatory BS while slowly garrotting Australian people …

    Sharpen the blade and oil the tumbrils … and find a few baskets …

  92. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:03 pm

    Sharpen the blade and oil the tumbrils … and find a few baskets …

  93. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:08 pm

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:16 pm

    …But, continue to bitch about a leadership process that is still far more representative and open than the greens recent baton pass was…

    The Greens passed the baton exactly how it should be done, quiet and quick and in-house without all the media, the presidential campaigns and the staged script/agenda where everything has been decided beforehand anyway. The only difference was the greens didn’t invite the press and didn’t make it an orgy of self promotion and an extravaganza due to the input of taxpayer funding, they can’t compete on the scale of lab/lib money.

    Such a shame her term expired, good work done, why can’t she have another term?

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:20 pm

    fk up the NBN

    To do FTTP would mean digging up every street in Australia. Cheaper and faster to do FTTN meaning already installed telephone lines can be used for the last bit.

    fk up the ADF

    It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who cut funding to the military.

    fk all refugees and asylum seekers

    The current system under the Coalition means we can now take refugees from UNHCR camps rather than those with $$$$$$$$10,000 like we did under Labor.

    You forgot to mention that Labor also trashed the budget and the unemployment rate.

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:30 pm

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:38 pm

    The current system under the Coalition means we can now take refugees from UNHCR camps rather than those with $$$$$$$$10,000 like we did under Labor.

    How is ‘the system’ preventing children from being raped? Preventing psychological and physical harm to people?

    iIagree

    The sexual assaults in Cologne show even the harshest facts must be faced
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/the-sexual-assaults-in-cologne-show-even-the-harshest-facts-must-be-faced/news-story/9486f1775c0cf2be9fe1bbd444ccae67

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 12:50 pm

  99. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 1:09 pm

    quiet and quick and in-house

    So, not open or democratic then 😉

    Since becoming PM in Sept I think he’s spent no more than say 20mins taking questions

    And generally when answering, has asked himself a different question anyway.

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:05 pm

    So, not open or democratic then

    Does it have to be? They elect their leadership the same way the old parties do. Do we need to see all the bickering and fighting, do we need the strategic leaking and backstabbing etc?

    The big two make a song & dance about theirs because they like the entire population to think the membership is choosing the party leader, when we all know that’s just not true. They have turned it all into a US type presidential campaign [due to all the public funding they get] when the democracies of the two countries work quite differently.

    Sounds very democratic to me, from the bottom up and not the top down and a direct accountability. Just because they don’t run personal, private leadership ambitions through leaks to the media, doesn’t make their leadership non-democratic. They don’t have the money that the two majors have to spend on a big event with all the palava either. In a way, I think that’s more responsible. You can’t get more democratic than some branches choosing to not even have a leader or running all policy through the membership can you?

    Wiki gives you the gist:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Greens

    …Structure[edit]
    The Australian Greens, like all Australian political parties, is federally organised with separately registered state parties signing up to a national constitution, yet retaining considerable policy-making and organisational autonomy from the centre.[103] The national decision-making body of the Australian Greens is the National Council, consisting of delegates from each member body (a state or territory Greens party). The National Council arrives at decisions by consensus. There is no formal executive of the national party. However, there is an Australian Greens Coordinating Group (AGCG) composed of national office bearers including the National Convenor, Secretary, Treasurer, and three members elected by National Council. There is also a Public Officer, a Party Agent and a Registered Officer.
    A variety of working groups have been established by the National Council, which are directly accessible to all Greens members. Working groups perform an advisory function by developing policy, reviewing or developing the party structure, or by performing other tasks assigned by the National Council.
    All policies originating from this structure are subject to ratification by the members of the Australian Greens.[104]
    On Saturday 12 November 2005 at the national conference in Hobart the Australian Greens abandoned their long-standing tradition of having no official leader and approved a process whereby a parliamentary leader could be elected by the Greens Parliamentary Party Room. On Monday 28 November 2005, Bob Brown – who had long been regarded as de facto leader by many inside the party, and most people outside the party – was elected unopposed as the Parliamentary Party Leader.[105]…

  101. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:24 pm

    Does it have to be?

    No, but it wasn’t all that long ago some peeps here were complaining that the party members didn’t get enough of a say, you know, they wanted Albo, but the party itself chose Shorten over Albo.

    I argued at the time that it is better left to the party. Was never a fan of rudds rules

    How the tide turns 😉

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:37 pm

    Do you have an example of Labor using the media?

    With friends like these: Labor hatred of the Greens is self-defeating
    https://theconversation.com/with-friends-like-these-labor-hatred-of-the-greens-is-self-defeating-18230

    The lethal green threat to Labor
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-lethal-green-threat-to-labor-20150331-1mbyg6.html

    Already this week one Labor commentator has bizarrely described the Greens as a “cancer on our democracy”.

    Labor’s vain Greens attack
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/7/9/national-affairs/labors-vain-greens-attack

    Labor powerbroker escalates attack on Greens
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-08/labor-powerbrokers-launch-attack-on-greens/4116952

    Labor’s NSW Secretary Sam Dastyari told The Weekend Australian he will move a motion at next weekend’s state conference to distance the party from the Greens and review preference arrangements.

    His comments come after Victorian Labor on Friday decided to preference Family First ahead of the Greens in a state by-election for the seat of Melbourne.

    Mr Howes says other states should follow suit, saying the Greens are the most dangerous fringe group in Australian politics…
    …”I view the Greens as an extremist party, not unlike a left-wing version of Pauline Hanson’s One Nation”…

    Just shows how much Labor has moved to the right, they are in lockstep with the fascists, Bill has been ‘all the way with the libs’, there is no ‘bridge too far’ with him. The greens are the only party that is progressive these days. We have labor cutting off money to welfare recipients [single mums] and never restoring policy changes that the libs make to medicare. Lab/libs appear to be a coalition of right wing parties, not centrist but centre-right [libs have tried going extreme right but so far the electorate has denied it to them]. The Greens are now on their own in the political centre and they are being accused by the two as extremists, funny and surreal really, but so neglectful of the wishes of the public.

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:50 pm

    …but the party itself chose Shorten over Albo…

    ‘the party itself’ 😆

    What you’re not saying is that it was rigged and albo was chosen by the membership, but the caucus ensured their vote was weighted to be worth more than the membership’s.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/new-labor-leader-about-to-be-revealed/story-fn59niix-1226739119670

    …each caucus vote was worth about 354 membership votes…

    “Yes, the branch members will be disappointed that their candidate didn’t win. But I think they’ll be grateful that they’ve had a say in the party’s future,” he told a press conference soon after the caucus meeting… sure they will 😆

    Labor factions still rule, and women pay the price:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-07/matthewson-labor-factions-still-rule,-and-women-pay-the-price/6374250

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:54 pm

    “and then look at what replaced her!”

    Kevin Rudd!! And the highly principled Greens responded with …. nothing!

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:11 pm

    Wow! After all the above commentary, it appears there have been some very recent changes with the greens.

    They are working hard to be part of the mainstream I think. Not so democratic either, it appears they’ve created a committee that can make decisions before taking issues to the membership. Peter wish-wilson is an economist, he and di natale seem to be making change from within.

    Wonder how this is going to go, they’ve morphed into the democrats!

    GREENS PITCH TO THE RULING CLASS: “YOU CAN TRUST US”
    http://www.kieransreview.com/2016/01/11/greens-pitch-to-the-ruling-class-you-can-trust-us/

    The next election might be interesting. Have di natale, wish-wilson and zenophon been having quite the natter in parliament?

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:25 pm

    I think that article should be re-written to “Greens pitch for the centre-right” which might work since labor has gone over to the extreme right with the libs. I don’t know how the established media can get aaway with calling them [and labor] ‘the centre left’ when there is no ‘left’ party in australian politics.

    Peter wish-wilson is a former investment banker, just like malcolm.

    Have the greens had a takeover from within by the MP’s?

    Greens pitch for the centre-left
    http://www.afr.com/news/greens-pitch-for-the-centreleft-20160107-gm14xb

    Greens finance spokesman Peter Whish-Wilson, a former investment banker, has also revealed how the party’s newly operational “lightning” decision group has helped them seal deals with the Turnbull government, some of which one senior Greens source said “would never have happened under [former leader] Christine Milne”

    The change in tactics was on view this week when Senator Di Natale signalled he may change the party’s opposition to genetically modified crops, after saying he was not philosophically opposed to them.

    But in a sign of the tensions Senator Di Natale’s leadership faces in keeping their base happy, NSW Greens issued a statement that appeared to press him not to make any changes.

    “The Greens NSW, along with all other branches, reconfirmed the Australian Greens policy on GMOs [genetically modified organisms] at our recent National Conference in November 2015…

    …The first Greens leader not to have spent time in jail for environmental activism, Senator Di Natale said… 😆 they just can’t help themselves can they?

  107. January 11, 2016 3:25 pm

    “What you’re not saying is that it was rigged and albo was chosen by the membership, but the caucus ensured their vote was weighted to be worth more than the membership’s.”

    Precisely.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:27 pm

    Kevin Rudd!! And the highly principled Greens responded with …. nothing!

    😆 Very good sb!

    I forgot about the second coming of rudd, I meant tony abbott though!

  109. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:31 pm

    Not sure how a series of articles having a go at Labor for attacking the greens is an example of “Labor using the media” More a case of the media calling Labor dummy spitters for highlighting the greens subterfuge.

    What you’re not saying is that it was rigged and albo was chosen by the membership, but the caucus ensured their vote was weighted to be worth more than the membership’s.

    Actually ao, that is what I AM saying 😉

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:45 pm

    ha ha, yeah

    “…Actually ao, that is what I AM saying”…

    “‘the party itself”

    sounds just like ‘rigged outcome’.

    Looks like it’s going to be labor vs greens on the blog too! right up until the next election.

    I’ll have to keep an eye on the new greens and their lightning group policies/direction too [is there an internal war going on?]

    not forgetting our conservative commenters though, whose advice is much welcomed too 😆

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 4:04 pm

    crikey [free]
    Time for Dutton to go:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2016/01/11/time-for-dutton-to-go/

    Any wackjob group or hate group is OK for pauline hanson

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 4:09 pm

    Precisely.

    A Claytons Vote by any other name!

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 4:23 pm

    Hanson needs vaccinating for monstrum ore tiny ingenium Symptom …!

  114. January 11, 2016 5:05 pm

    TB,,,,,,,the NBN is now fkd for at least a decade!,,,,,,,

    #agree, l reckon l can forget about ever seeing it up`n running, l don`t reckon it will be done by 2050, and of course, in the mean-time the next half-dozen to dozen `atlassians` will be lost as well #copper-class-innovation

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 5:41 pm

    James Ashby and Pauline Hanson, could he be the new spinner and the reason for recent media outbursts?

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 11, 2016 6:30 pm

    “quite the natter in parliament”

    More like those three are quite the nutters in Parliament!

  117. January 11, 2016 6:31 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    CONTINUED DISARRAY EDITION

    Disarray still runs deep within the `team`. While an unwanted blib was thought to be still missing, Luke Fowley, the NSW Labor opposition leader, said he would consider supporting an increase in the GST from 10 to 15 per cent. The position is at direct odds with that of federal Labor, which vehemently opposes a GST increase.

    Referring to cuts in the 2014 federal budget blib said the government was “soft” on multinational tax avoidance but was considering going “hard on families by increasing the GST”.

    Fowley retorted blib (under jooliar) didn`t mind going hard on families when they cut womens welfare payments, and didn`t manage to do much about the tax avoidance either.

    Fowley ended by saying blib should stay out of NSW politics and remain in canberra where he`s unwanted.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-leader-bill-shorten-rebukes-nsw-opposition-leader-luke-foley-over-gst-comments-20160110-gm2uaf.html

  118. January 11, 2016 7:25 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,,,it wasn’t all that long ago some peeps here were complaining that the party members didn’t get enough of a say, you know, they wanted Albo, but the party itself chose Shorten over Albo.

    I argued at the time that it is better left to the party,,,,,,

    #you`re fcuking tap-dancing

  119. January 11, 2016 7:31 pm

    FUN FACT, 25 party-room(caucus) votes OVER-RODE 6000 membership votes.

  120. January 11, 2016 8:00 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,Labor are still in with a strong chance to knock off a first term .. #talkbull,,,,

    #Guffaw, keep shaken them pom-poms, but blib won`t make it, the team set themselves-up for a sound arse-fcuking at the next election when they ignored the membership wisdom

    #and armchair is correct,

    AO,,,,,,The Greens passed the baton exactly how it should be done, quiet and quick and in-house without all the media,,,,,

    +

    team-cheerer,,,,,So, not open or democratic then,,,,,

    #and this is total bullshit team-cheerer, having all members free to speak behind closed doors without teabag-media bullshit interfering seems a lot more `democratic` and smart to me, and the `open` aspect is pure nonsense, dog-clubs, boardrooms and lobbyists are not `open` to public and clown-media even tho they exert a lot of power over laws and politics (nice-trolling-tho)

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