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January 11, 2016

 

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Hello everyone and welcome to 2016.

There’s one particular thing I enjoy about travelling and it never fails to surprise me, and that’s the strange sense of objectivity one experiences upon returning home.  Otherwise ordinary and familiar day-to-day experiences that border on the banal seem strangely oblique.  Even if it’s just catching public transport or walking up the street.  In some circles it’s called “reverse culture shock.”  Walrus probably knows what I mean.

One thing that struck me is the amount of utter crap we’re subjected to that passes for “news” or perhaps more accurately “infotainment.”  In parts of Asia, the “news” be it in newspapers or TV is actually news – albeit with a hefty bias towards business and finance.  While this may be fairly dry and dull for the non-financially inclined, it stands in stark contrast to the utter shite that passes for news here in Australia.  Here, our so-called news is dominated by celebrity gossip, and fabricated headlines that promise scandal and treachery, yet when you venture beyond the headline you find that there’s little substance to the little substance that was promised in the first place.

We bemoan the state of State controlled media in Asia as somehow draconian, yet meanwhile dining on a newsfeed of banal mind numbing shite back home.  Neither situation is ideal mind you, but the sheer prevalence of complete and utter unadulterated crap that passes as “news” in Australia is particularly striking.

Take news.com.au for example.  The escalating situation in North Korea may be of concern to many readers, but it’s difficult to take this particular outlet’s perspective seriously on anything of consequence when its observations on North Korea are surround by editorials on “”how to get a bikini butt without going to the gym”” or “”Internet destroys broken football star.””

This means that actual newsworthy items that may be of legitimate concern are diminished due to the environment of cheesy articles that have no substance.  The result is that we are served a diet of complete and utter shite.

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198 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:47 pm

    If it’s incisive news and analysis you’re after, try reading my comments at The Gutter Trash.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 2:53 pm

    I do try to read ’em, ToM …. but its so fkn difficult to make any sense out of ’em …

    As for the new fred … I’m glad someone else noticed all the shite out there … mostly confected … and much of it soft porn …

    And I notice TGT is heading for 900,000 hits this year!

    Has anyone noticed how quickly its started off … 11 days already! (Perhaps because its a leap year?) 🙂

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:03 pm

    And in passing … my new favourite game … and its free …

    https://www.youtube.com/user/worldofwarshipsCOM

  4. January 11, 2016 4:14 pm

    So while on holiday I ventured into this massage place for a foot massage, and after sitting down noticed a sign in the window saying “free wifi”

    So I asked the young lady what the wifi password is, and she says “oh, we don’t have wifi here.”

    “But the sign in the window says ‘free wifi'”

    “Oh, that’s just to get the customers in,” she says.

    I could imagine that some people might get upset over that sort of thing, but I found it quite funny, and suggested that she might like to tell customers that it’s broken or something, rather than the blatantly honest approach.

    In terms of customer service, it’s quite unique – setting your customers up for disappointment. That’s a technique I thought only Telstra and Vodafone had mastered.

  5. January 11, 2016 4:43 pm

    Yes, passing-off corporate advertising and political-pr fills Aust`s news-space, often supplied by the corporation and political-lobby. Notice `our` teabags are usually the folk who have fallen for it and run around regurgitating it ad-nauseum. Having a `degree-inflicted` media with little life experience doesn`t help either. They`re writing their so-called `news-items` to impress their peers(classmates-from-uni) and not to inform the viewer.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 5:56 pm

    That’s a technique I thought only Telstra and Vodafone had mastered.

    And we have laws preventing false and misleading advertising too …

    Doesn’t seem to stop ’em …

    I just got this from one of my RW friends …

    Can anyone confirm or deny this stuff at all?

    Australia Post is a totally government owned entity and has been for about 200 years.

    Recently, Australia Post announced the loss of 900 jobs, being part of a cut back program.

    This is due to the decline in letters beings sent – largely due to email.

    The CEO of Australia Post is Ahmed Fahour who was born in Lebanon and came to Australia in 1970.

    In 2009 he was made Managing Director and CEO of Australia Post.

    His salary package last year was A$4.8 million!!!!!

    The top public servants in Canberra have salaries of between $665,600 and $844,800 so how does the bloke in charge of the Post Office received $4.8 million?

    The Prime Minister of Australia earns a modest $507,000 considering the real burdens of office. The US President earns US$550,000 (A$757,000). The highest paid Mayor in Australia – Gold Coast City – brings in $225,000!!!

    So, how on earth can the Post Office justify the massive pay of their CEO?.

    Let’s look further. The head of the US Postal Service with 19 times more staff and 11 times more revenue than Australia Post receives $550,000.

    In France the head of their post office was paid $1.1 million with a staff compliment of 268,000 employees.

    How can the CEO of the Post Office earn so much, especially when the postal service is bleeding money from letter delivery. No employee is worth A$4.8 million a year and especially not from a government owned business.
    It gets worse – – –

    The top ten executives in Australia Post combined earn around $20 million last year.

    No matter what perspective is taken, with a loss of 900 jobs, how can A$20 million be justified for 10 ‘execs’!!!!

    But, the salary rort is only half the story!!!

    Of his A$4.8 million, Fahour donated A$2 million to the Islamic Museum of Australia (located in Melbourne).

    This is a tax deductible donation, so WE TAXPAYERS are supporting the payment.

    The founder and director of the Islamic Museum is Moustafa Fahour – yes, Ahmed’s brother!!!!!

    Moustafa’s wife, Maysaa, is the chairwoman and Director.
    And Fahour’s sister, Samira El Khafir, manages the restaurant on site.

    And, OUR letters will cost A$1 so this family can live the ‘good’ life!!!!!!

    There is an unpleasant and some would say ‘sinister’ unbalanced agenda in Australia, which in the end preys on the average citizen, we the people.
    We are no longer the lucky country and we are no longer wealthy and this particular game of ‘Post Office rort’ reveals some major fractures and faults on a number fronts in our society and culture.

    Who is running the Country, who is pulling the levers and who is going to win?

    We the Mugs certainly won’t be winners.
    Please pass this on.

  7. January 11, 2016 5:57 pm

    dot-point ignorance, dot-point willful-blindness, dot-point panic

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 6:05 pm

    It would seem that we DO have a Fat Cat stealing $4.8 million from the trough … HOW! WHY! WHO lets it fkn happen!

    No wonder we’re running out of fkn money in the deep end!

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/australia-post-donates-boss-ahmed-fahours-2m-bonus-to-islamic-museum-of-australia/story-fni0fiyv-1226958003540

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 6:18 pm

    Ahmed Fahour employed by the Rudd government in 2009!

  10. Walrus permalink
    January 11, 2016 6:38 pm

    “Even if it’s just catching public transport or walking up the street. In some circles it’s called “reverse culture shock.” Walrus probably knows what I mean.”

    I have no problem with public transport. Its just that there is no business let alone first class seating.

    Otherwise I’d try it

  11. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 7:04 pm

    That’s a technique I thought only Telstra and Vodafone had mastered.

    My wife informs me that I have mastered this technique also 😦

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 7:07 pm

    Its just that there is no business let alone first class seating.

    Gold! Gold! Gold! 😀

    Best one this year!

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2016 7:09 pm

    My wife informs me that I have mastered this technique also

    Perhaps your “technique” may be your problem? 😉

  14. January 11, 2016 8:28 pm

    TB/via,,,,,,with a loss of 900 jobs, how can A$20 million be justified for 10 ‘execs’,,,,,

    #what l would like to know is, what did the 900-jobs total-up to 15-mill?? .. we never seem to get the `full` information do we .. we don`t know if the 900-jobs where over-paid obsoletes that really needed to go .. or if the 900-jobs were essential posties, sorters, drivers now `out-sourced` to 7-11-like slave-hire contractors .. then there`s the tax-dodge rort

  15. Tom R permalink
    January 11, 2016 9:39 pm

    sobs @ TB 😉

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 11, 2016 11:49 pm

    So while on holiday I ventured into this massage place for a foot massage…

    hehe, tony abbott type *wink*

    you got my imagination running 😆

  17. Tom R permalink
    January 12, 2016 12:05 pm

    The darkest day in Australian sport gets some light shone on it, finally. Reading these findings casts a dark shadow over the governance of the sport itself. The AFL appears beyond help imo

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 12, 2016 12:21 pm

    I was suspicious right from the start of the libs bending over backwards for the guy who has basically put them in power by always spinning for them, disguising their shit s/wich as chocolate.

    Mines, banks, Murdoch, IPA & their anonymous big business backers. It’s the nepotism and cronyism that gets me. All those IPA conmen and ex lib pollies who are so anti-ABC yet insist on being on the taxpayer funded ABC payroll to bleat on every subject with no qualifications at all. All those businesses getting huge taxpayer funded hand-outs and subsidies.

    The ABC has pandered to the murdochracy for years, while it chewed them up and spat them out.

    WTF do we send someone to the vatican anyway? Couldn’t the rome ambassador cover it?

    Loughnane to the Vatican, Abbott asks Turnbull
    http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/loughnane-to-the-vatican-abbott-asks-turnbull-20160111-gm3bve

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 12, 2016 12:26 pm

    …Reading these findings casts a dark shadow over the governance of the sport itself. The AFL appears beyond help imo…

    Not according to reithy/bolt 🙂

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 12, 2016 12:36 pm

    hehe

    and

  21. Walrus permalink
    January 12, 2016 12:41 pm

    “The darkest day in Australian sport gets some light shone on it,”

    More like “The darkest day in Australian Rules Football gets some light shone on it,”

    Otherwise………..when are the enquiries into Cricket, Rugby Union, Soccer and Netball to begin ?????????????????????

    And what happened to all that bribery, match fixing and associations with motor cycle gangs ?

    When are the details for that emerging TomR ???????????????????

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 12, 2016 1:14 pm

    Essendon players took a banned substance. That’s a bad decision by the club. It hardly qualifies as the darkest day in sport.

    I find it unfair that the players are punished in this way. It was a Clun program.

  23. Walrus permalink
    January 12, 2016 1:19 pm

    The AFL and Essendon should have done what the NRL did and cop it on the chin.

    The NRL negotiated the entire process far better than the AFL…………and that in itself considering the idiots we have running the NRL is truly staggering.

    The AFL and Essendon are just too bloody arrogant. I think Hird illustrates that best

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 12, 2016 1:49 pm

    Some food for thought below

    Why Are We Still Working?
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/07/why-are-we-still-working/

    Reflections On The TURC From A Union Official
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/12/reflections-on-the-turc-from-a-union-official/

    Australia in 2015: Third World Government, First World Living Standard
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/12/17/australia-in-2015-third-world-government-with-a-first-world-living-standard/

  25. Tom R permalink
    January 12, 2016 1:56 pm

    The CFMEU is not responsible for the Essendon drug scandal

    “only the true Messiah would deny his true divinity” 😉

    It hardly qualifies as the darkest day in sport.

    Nominations are open. (btw, it wasn’t just Essendon)

    More like “The darkest day in Australian Rules Football gets some light shone on it,”

    Wise words …. except for……

    The AFL and Essendon should have done what the NRL did and cop it on the chin.

    MEANWHILE .. back in the politics, all is not lost for Bill Shhhhhorten

    The Australian electorate’s search for Opposition Leader Bill Shorten continued today, with hopes a recent interview with actor Sean Penn will provide vital information about the Labor leader’s whereabouts.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/01/12/renewed-hopes-of-finding-bill-shorten-after-sean-penn-interview/

  26. Tom R permalink
    January 12, 2016 2:11 pm

    Yes ao, bolt etal (and all the other tools who claimed it was political hey wally) really need to take stock of what our sporting nation has become, and then do something about it!

    Winning AT ALL COSTS is not a sporting achievement. It is the same mind set the Russians, East Germans and China had, and it leads to these very outcomes.

  27. Tom R permalink
    January 12, 2016 2:27 pm

  28. Walrus permalink
    January 12, 2016 3:58 pm

    “……….really need to take stock of what our sporting nation has become, ”

    Who is the Real Tool here ??????????????????????????????

    What a fucking ridiculous generalisation on your part with the above quote when the entire saga revolved chiefly around one AFL club one NRL club yet the taint at the time was thrown at Rugby Union and Soccer as well.

    And again I ask and you NEVER respond……

    When are the enquiries into Cricket, Rugby Union, Soccer and Netball to begin ?????????????????????

    And what happened to all that bribery, match fixing and associations with motor cycle gangs ?

  29. Walrus permalink
    January 12, 2016 6:22 pm

    Retirement to places like Penang sounds like a good idea………

    http://www.smh.com.au/money/planning/how-to-retire-overseas-20151222-glt5up.html

  30. January 12, 2016 6:30 pm

    Thanks for that link Walrus. Are you providing advice to ppl who are retiring o’seas? We might need to engage your services… 🙂

  31. Walrus permalink
    January 12, 2016 6:31 pm

    “We might need to engage your services…”

    LOL……………………..I’m currently looking at pros and cons.

  32. January 12, 2016 6:42 pm

    age,,,,,,A record 9.5 per cent of the state`s(#boltsville) workforce is now officially classified as `underemployed`, the highest since the Bureau of Statistics started keeping records in February 1978, and the highest of all states except Tasmania.

    The Australian Bureau of Statistics counts a person as employed if they are 15 or over and worked for a minimum of just one hour for payment or payment in kind during the week of its monthly labour force survey. That includes unpaid work in family businesses or farms.

    That means a person who mows a lawn for an hour in exchange for a case of beer is counted as employed.

    The measure, which is used around the world as a key gauge of economic health, masks the growing numbers of workers tenuously clinging to employment.,,,,,,

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victorias-underemployment-rate-at-a-record-high-20150305-13w1jr.html

  33. January 12, 2016 6:52 pm

    age,,,,,,After adding in Victoria`s officially unemployed workers, 16.1 per cent of the labour force is now classified by the bureau as `under-utilised`, meaning one in six workers are either actively looking for a job or more hours.,,,,,,

    #so we now have another bit of `jargon` (UNDER-UTILISED) to explain our near un-employed, under-employed, junk-job status and `looking-4-work`

    #now all we need is teabag-media to consistently report the `number` of the `under-utilised` 16.1 percent, instead of mythical `unemployed` 6ish-percent number

  34. January 12, 2016 7:09 pm

    matilda,,,,,,The Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) has estimated that as many as 40 per cent of the jobs that are left are vulnerable to replacement by technology over the next decade.

    No matter how many politicians chant the jobs mantra for the media, more productive jobs are going to disappear.,,,,,,

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/07/why-are-we-still-working/

    #oooops, looks like giving all those so-called `menial` manufacturing jobs to china may have been a profoundly unwise decision huh?

    +

    matilda,,,,,Among the underemployed graduates I personally know of, there is a psychologist, a soil chemist and a biodiversity specialist.,,,,,

    #chuckle

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 12, 2016 7:28 pm

    The measure, which is used around the world as a key gauge of economic health, masks the growing numbers of workers tenuously clinging to employment.,,,,,,

    Yes that brings back memories. Way back in 2007 on Tim Dunlops blog lefties kept telling me unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard because he deviously changed the method for determining unemployment. Howard apparently changed the definition to you only have to work one hour/week to be classified as employed. I then found out several years latter that working one hour/week as a definition of employment is used in all OECD countries and has been in use for about 40 years.

    Hence one of the reasons i never trust anything a Labor/Greens supporter says.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 12, 2016 8:08 pm

    I think retiring overseas makes sense.
    Bali seems like a good idea. Be an old person surfing and getting in the way of youthful vacationers.

  37. January 12, 2016 8:39 pm

    “”Be an old person surfing and getting in the way of youthful vacationers.””

    Well if the glove fits….

  38. Tom R permalink
    January 12, 2016 10:18 pm

    And again I ask and you NEVER respond……

    I’ve responded many times with the same answer. There was massive drug taking uncovered in two of our largest sporting codes. The other codes made themselves available to show solidarity with ASADA that they were against drug taking. nobody has pointed the finger at these organizations, so there is nothing to respond to. I think what you are trying to create here is what they call a straw man. Because your attacks on the labor Government for helping uncover this blackest day has been exposed as pure political bullshit by a major global sporting agency. And shown that our system here is broken. Or are they closet lefties too?

    And what happened to all that bribery, match fixing and associations with motor cycle gangs ?

    It got lost in the shit storm that is essendon mess and their grubby and despicable defense of the indefensible, and shoveled away by a media more intent on blaming the messenger than the cheats who ruined our sporting codes (the same ones who coincidentally provide them with a steady source of income). It doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

    http://monash.edu/news/show/sports-scourge-hits-our-shores

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 12, 2016 10:32 pm

    I happened to get in the way of some young vacationers just today!

  40. January 13, 2016 12:03 am

    Of course you did. You can`t even get out of your own way.

  41. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 8:35 am

    So, Dad jokes are replacing Zingers now?

    😯

  42. January 13, 2016 8:50 am

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  43. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:00 am

    But does the lettuce agree with him?

    AND, will malcayman turnip for the debate?

  44. Walrus permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:08 am

    “It got lost in the shit storm that is essendon mess and their grubby and despicable defense of the indefensible, ………”

    What a load of crap !

  45. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:16 am

    What a load of crap !

    Precisely the point, and all instigated by the bombers.

  46. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:20 am

    Pigs Arse it was the “Darkest Day”

    And yet yesterdays decision confirms it. Have we ever seen anything of this magnitude before or since in our sporting codes?

    And I see ley is still playing politics, even after the decision back then has been proven to be correct. If the libs had their way, this would just be swept under the carpet.

    You know there is more proven negative involvement from bikies with sport than there is with the CFMEU don’t you? 😉

  47. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:22 am

    MEANWHILE

    Our super system is broken

    and the libs just want to attack Industry funds (the best performers)

    At least Labor have a positive plan, that doesn’t seem to make it onto malcaymans little card table

    The cost of the age pension is growing at only half the rate of super tax concessions.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tax-white-paper-our-pension-is-too-mean-our-super-tax-concessions-too-generous-20160111-gm3rds.html#ixzz3x4SrfwqL
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  48. Walrus permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:39 am

    “Have we ever seen anything of this magnitude before or since in our sporting codes?”

    Are you serious ?

    The Cronulla Sharks in the NRL are not exactly a powerhouse Club. Since they entered in 1967 they have never won the Competition and have at most featured in a Grand Final twice (?) which could be only once such is my disinterset I could’nt be bothered looking it up.

    Even their fans are fickle and they are still the most likely team to go broke in the longer term. Even on drugs they couldn’t make the final 8 let alone win the fucking comp.

    As for Essendon how many supporters do they have ?

    Even if its a lot it’s still just one decently supported team plus an NRL team no one gives a flying fuck about.

    And so what if Essendon are rubbed out for a season. In 2010 the Melbourne Storm NRL were stripped of previous premierships and stripped of premiership points as a penalty in 2010 for salary cap rorting.

    It was a gross political beat up because your great mate Thommo was appearing in Court the following day if I recall correctly.

    Hardly the “Darkest Day”

    More like the Biggest Beat Up in Australian Sport

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:56 am

    MEANWHILE

    TR, what a hodge podge of silly ideas especially from so-called “experts” .

    Miranda Stewart is director of the Australian National University’s Tax and Transfer Policy Institute. David Ingles is a senior research fellow at the institute.

    There seems to be an attempt to create a generation war by some economists and or real estate people/organisations with regard to the family home … and it revolves around this sort misguided and misinformed, contradictory statement … (my bold)

    We know the home is essential for security of retirees and especially important for many older women who have little in other savings. But we are not sure how long a sustainable system can disregard such an important asset.

    For a few years we talked to financial planners … before we realised they didn’t have a clue … we’ve owned our home since 1987 and we constantly told them our “home” is NOT an asset to be borrowed against … and in our case it truly is a “family” home where eleven people come once in a while to celebrate special occasions and make group decisions …

    By all means remove negative gearing from asset ownership and tax the income from rental properties …

    Dickwits™ like these authors should have to disclose their own assets, affiliations, funding, property situation and age if they write clap trap like the article above …

    Having said that, the system does need fixing … but the complicated approach above does nothing to help the problem and actually exacerbates the issue …

    How its supposed to keep everyone “happy” is beyond me …

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:59 am

    More like the Biggest Beat Up in Australian Sport

    As you know, Wally, I don’t follow aerial ping pong and couldn’t give a rat’s arse about Essendon but did the Essendon lot take drugs or not? And were the staff “experimenting” with players?

    Just askin’ …

  51. Walrus permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:05 am

    “……did the Essendon lot take drugs or not? And were the staff “experimenting” with players? ”

    My point is ONE well supported team plus one NRL team no one gives a rats about and even on drugs they still went nowhere

    Not all Australian Sport.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:07 am

    My point is ONE well supported team plus one NRL team no one gives a rats about and even on drugs they still went nowhere

    Similar to the “support” the Rabbit’s got at the start of NRL? They didn’t comply but the “support” got them a place …

  53. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:32 am

    Hardly the “Darkest Day”

    So you keep saying, but offer up no “darker”. The Storm was big, but was one team. It was also indicative of the way things were heading

    Not all Australian Sport.

    Fuck off with yer strawman

    My point is ONE well supported team plus one NRL team no one gives a rats about

    Yes, these were the very public ones that garnered the attention. As my link above showed, there was actually a lot more to that iceberg, missed by the medias vapid defense of the cheaters.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:36 am

    I agree. Hardly qualifies as the darkest day in sport.

    Where is the match fixing? And all stuff to justify all rhe other grandstanding statements?

  55. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:36 am

    Former Bombers champion Tim Watson says he will never accept that his son is now officially branded a “drug cheat”, as Jobe considers giving the game away.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-cas-verdict-jobe-watson-may-give-afl-away-says-his-father-tim-20160112-gm4neb.html#ixzz3x51X3EKJ
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    Jeez, I wonder why that is, you fucken stupid drug cheat!

  56. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:39 am

    Hardly qualifies as the darkest day in sport.

    So, the darkest would be ….. ?

    And all stuff to justify all rhe other grandstanding statements?

    Where I highlighted it earlier

    https://monash.edu/news/show/sports-scourge-hits-our-shores

  57. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:43 am

    The best friend sports had, Labor and Unions.

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 11:56 am

    Jeez, I wonder why that is, you fucken stupid drug cheat!

    What performance enhancing drugs were they taking?

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 12:08 pm

    What performance enhancing drugs were they taking?

    Anything they could apparently … makes you jump “higher” …

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 12:40 pm

    Well i am not up to date on the situation but if they were talking performance enhancing drugs like the ones we are familiar with like steroids, blood doping, stimulants etc i think we would have heard about it.

  61. Walrus permalink
    January 13, 2016 12:43 pm

    “…….there was actually a lot more to that iceberg, missed by the medias vapid defense of the cheaters.”

    YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !

    The usual “Its all the meja’s fault there was no other evidence”

  62. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 1:09 pm

    i think we would have heard about it.

    ROFL

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/01/11/everything-is-awful/#comment-121419

    http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-verdict-wada-chief-david-howman-explains-why-cas-appeal-was-necessary/story-e6frf33l-1227706789957

    https://monash.edu/news/show/sports-scourge-hits-our-shores

    Its all the meja’s fault there was no other evidence

    See above 😉

    Yesterdays verdict is all we need to know that our meeja backed the wrong horse (tranquilizer)

    essendon are full of drug cheats, just lie the NRL team were (and other assorted individuals mixed up in the mess. essendon brought this on themselves by not accepting their guilty plea like the others, instead stamping their feet and thinking that them burning the evidence was all that was needed.

  63. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 1:35 pm

    There seems to be an attempt to create a generation war by some economists and or real estate people/organisations with regard to the family home

    You do have to remember, in the same way that the media companies make a lot of money from sports, they also make a lot from the real estate industry.

    Perhaps they should have that as a disclosure statement on all of their articles 😉

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 1:40 pm

    Like i said we would have heard about it.

    Show me a link to performance enhancing drugs like anabolic steroids, blood doping, stimulants etc.

  65. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 1:56 pm

    Like i said we would have heard about it.

    In addition to the one above nil (who remains wedged underneath his rok

    The Panel was wholly convinced by the impressive evidence of Dr Cox (which was not available to the AFL Tribunal) to that effect, including his illuminating observation that the other compounds tested at Bio21 corresponded in their molecular structure to what they purported to be. Dr Cox had relevant and specific expertise. Dr Vine in the end agreed with Dr Cox for all practical purposes, since the difference between them was of a miniscule degree, ie. 99% as distinct from 97% to 98% certainty that the substance compounded at Bio21 was TB-4”: para 132.

    http://sociallitigator.com/2016/01/12/essendon-saga-13-legal-things-from-cas-judgment-day/

  66. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 1:57 pm

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 2:02 pm

    I looked at your link but feel asleep.

    Just give me a link where they used steroids, blood doping, stimulants or anything illegal.

  68. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 2:40 pm

    I looked at your link but feel asleep.

    were you ever awake though?

    They didn’t use anything “illegal” nil.

    Essendon drugs verdict: a bleak day for Bombers but a big victory for anti-doping

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jan/12/essendon-drugs-verdict-a-bleak-day-for-bombers-but-a-big-victory-for-anti-doping

    And a bleak day for those who claimed it was all a political beat up.

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 2:45 pm

    Like i said . Give me a link where it is shown they used things like anabolic steroids. Not another link where it is proclaimed they are cheats.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 2:59 pm

    I’ve just surface sprayed my computer desk, TR, the buzzing is still there but its not getting any worse … just my tinnitus now … 🙂

    Infkncredibly infantile comments …

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 3:03 pm

    Do parents really have time to fart around with kids’ food like this …

    http://www.kmart.com.au/ideas/healthy-back-to-school-lunches?cm_mmc=OUTBRAIN-_-BACKSWING-_-Hub-_-LUNCHES1

  72. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 3:24 pm

    Infkncredibly infantile comments …

    That’s being Infkncredibly kind TB 😉

    Do parents really have time to fart around with kids’ food like this …

    Slightly off topic, but I was informed the other day that FUIC has been given a 4/5 on the grubmints quite obviously pathetically pointless health food index. I cannot even find any reference to the website?

    And no, we have never done that. Our kids were ecstatic if we snuck a freddo frog in once a blue moon

  73. January 13, 2016 3:29 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  74. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 3:32 pm

    This is how malcayman looks after Australian jobs, whilst stashing his cash in overseas tax havens

  75. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 3:34 pm

    snap reb.

    And everyone thought rinehart had jumped the shark when she said $2/day. Already down to $2/hour.

  76. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 3:34 pm

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 5:00 pm

    Still would like a link that AFL people were using steroids, blood doping and other illegal stuff.

    I do know in Rugby League they use pain killers from time to time.

    This whole thing smells like a leftist beatup.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 5:01 pm

    That’s being Infkncredibly kind TB

    Thanks, TR, I’m trying … on New Years Day I declared that 2016 would be The Year of Tolerance … so far I’m doing OK … how many days in a leap year again?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Imagine what would be the hue and cry if 30 union members stormed an office of a Liberal Party Member and evicted a couple of office workers … actually I know just the office … 👿

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 5:05 pm

    This whole thing smells like a leftist beatup.

    Mmmmm .. that’s a different approach … o_O

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve only ever felt like I was being rooted by the government once before … but this time its like everyone is watching or walking by … not realising there’s another gang around the corner waiting for them!

    Not many people cared the first time either …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 5:16 pm

    Mmmmm .. that’s a different approach

    No it smells like leftists deceit. Why sack the players? Why not get rid of the club?

    Still yet to see they did anything illegal. Vitamins, pain killers etc are not illegal.

  81. January 13, 2016 5:37 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    WATSON DOOR STOP EDITION

    Trapped by an unruly crowd outside the Moonee Ponds David Jones store, Former Bombers champion Tim Watson says he will never accept that blib is now officially branded a “drug cheat”.

    Watson said blib, like the rest of the present players, are now looking at spending the entire 2016 season on the sidelines.

    Watson acknowledged there was some similarities between his old team and blib`s-team. Both `teams` are based in the same electorate. Both `teams` recently went from giddying victory `highs` to spectacular self-implosion `lows`, but that is all the have in common he told the crowd.

    “No, I don’t [think that he is a drug cheat] and never will,” he said. `lt is self-evident blib does not use performance enhancing drugs.`

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-cas-verdict-jobe-watson-may-give-afl-away-says-his-father-tim-20160112-gm4neb.html

  82. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 5:53 pm

    Still yet to see they did anything illegal.

    You’ll be waiting a long time then you ignorant twat.

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 6:01 pm

    You’ll be waiting a long time then you ignorant twat.

    I am ignorant of anything they did that was illegal. Just give me a link. It should not be that hard. And not a link where somebody proclaims they did illegal things. I want proof they did steroids, blood doping, stimulants etc.

    Should be easy.

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 6:23 pm

    Should be easy.

    It was, the hard part, by your own admission, was getting you to read (and comprehend) it.

  85. January 13, 2016 6:23 pm

    WATCH LIST

    The two major teams won`t be of much interest during 2016 election lead-up, so l suggest poll-watchers may enjoy,

    1.new-england, will windsor challenge bananasby

    2. albo and plib seats, will the greenz get`em

    3. 2-teabags seats, challenged by team xeno, one being mr-rabbits seat

    4. several teabumpkin seats, challenged by team greenz

    5. any up`n coming `indies`

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 6:27 pm

    Wow, who’d have thought, booting the car industry was stoopid. Almost as stoopid as nil it seems.

  87. January 13, 2016 6:45 pm

    Along with free-trade-dumping, this is more the point team-cheerer,

    ,,,,,,Hyundai might buy 8.2 million tonnes of iron ore at $55 or $60 a tonne, but when this is viewed from a national perspective, it is not that flattering for the bureaucrats and the Productivity Commission who designed this part of the economy.

    The business plan they have designed looks like this. Australia sells iron ore at $60 a tonne and buys it back in the form of vehicles at around $20,000 a tonne. Value adding? Who needs it?,,,,,

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-governments-car-crash-of-an-automotive-policy-20160110-gm32yn.html

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 7:19 pm

    Federal Government letting auto-industry and 200,000 jobs go is looking more and more like a car crash

    Ford left under Rudd/Gillard. Also the auto industry died under Rudd/Gillard.

  89. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2016 7:29 pm

    Getting rid of tariffs and creating the most open car market in the developed world did nothing to benefit Australian jobs.”

    Yeah. Fucking teabags,

    “At the time of the plan’s inception, Australia’s motor industry was heavily protected by import tariffs, and quotas or quantitative restrictions on imports. These measures were used to support local assembly of thirteen models by a range of manufacturers. The Button car plan aimed to slash the number of locally manufactured models to six, by forcing industry consolidation. The overarching aim of the scheme was to make the motor vehicle industry in Australia more efficient through consolidation of resources, and so allowing the import tariffs to be gradually reduced.”

  90. January 13, 2016 7:50 pm

    Hey tinfoil`osy, l notice the wiki link you dropped didn`t include how much corporate-welfare button was being extorted for, nor what he expected the extortion to be reduced to. #justsayin

  91. January 13, 2016 7:50 pm

    Trade Liberalisation and the Australian Labor Party

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 7:53 pm

    Yeah, ToSY, dontcha just luv free enterprise … unless the pollies start fiddling with it …

    How Australian Liberal governments think that eliminating wage jobs altogether and reducing the income of others … while increasing the profits of the few tax avoiders … helps the national economy, is way beyond my limited understanding …

    Having been on the “living week to week” end of the demographic scale (actually day to day on occasions), I can assure you that far less money circulates in the economy when no-one has anything to spend … no money, no revenue … no revenue – NO FKN COUNTRY!

    Economics 101 …

    If the economy fails we all fail … except the ROBBER BARONS of course …!

    Start thinking society instead of fkn profits! And the whole scene changes …

    It’s the difference between teachers who teach … and teachers who help kids to learn …

    Or, tyranny and leadership …

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 7:57 pm

    This is what happened under Rudd/Gillard

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/kohler-car-industry/5025360

    In 2008, local manufacturers sold 160,000 cars out of total Australian sales of 1.1 million, or 22 per cent. In 2012, local manufacture was 138,000, or 12 per cent of the market. Year to date 2013, this is down to 10 per cent, which is to say 90 per cent of cars are imported.

    The car industry died under Labor.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2016 8:39 pm

    Its 2016 …

  95. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:49 pm

    and so allowing the import tariffs to be gradually reduced

    Yes, which worked while we subsidised as a replacement. (it is a far more ‘agile” method of adaption)

    Then some fucken dimwits took the subsidies away.

  96. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2016 9:52 pm

    Its 2016 …

    Again?

    The car industry died under Labor.

    I don’t recall a Labor politician standing up in Question Time telling a car company that was still here while the libs were in power to piss off? Maybe I should ask you for a link showing that?

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2016 10:06 pm

    Then some fucken dimwits took the subsidies away.

    We have been through this a million times. Subsidies were legislated until 2020 (ATS). It would take an act of parliament to remove the subsidies and the Coalition never had the numbers to do that.

    TomR you are just an immoral human being.

    And Rudd/Gillard were in power in 2013 when local sales plummeted to only 10% of the market with subsidies intact.

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 13, 2016 10:46 pm

    And everyone thought rinehart had jumped the shark when she said $2/day. Already down to $2/hour.

    My thoughts exactly

    Do parents really have time to fart around with kids’ food like this …

    A sole father character did cute stuff with kids lunch in a movie and now the whole world has to do it! If you don’t do it everyone will know you don’t love your kids as much as those parents!

    “…Thymosin beta 4 is prohibited for athletes under anti-doping rules.
    It is a peptide that assists muscle regeneration and is commonly used in racehorses…”[wiki]

    The players were initially cleared here as it just got too bogged down and became a nightmare in regard to litigation. Did the authorities crumble under pressure?

    Was it another of Australia’s keep-it-quiet, cover-it-up to avoid embarrassment situations whilst loudly accusing other nations of cheating?

    We all know that professional athletes and their managers/trainers are pushing the envelope with all kinds of substances and additives [medication] to get a competitive edge. Are we really naive enough to think that Australians won’t do it, that we are the best in the world because we’re aussies, bred with natural strength, endurance and sporting prowess above all others.

    …In March last year, the AFL’s Anti Doping Tribunal cleared these players of doping offences, stating it was “not comfortably satisfied” that the players were injected with a banned substance – namely, Thymosin Beta 4.

    That decision was appealed by the World Anti Doping Authority in the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which this morning upheld the appeal. The CAS panel was “comfortably satisfied” that doping had occurred…

    Perhaps this was one that we didn’t get away with.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 13, 2016 10:59 pm

    oops

    link for above:

    Guilty: A devastating verdict for Essendon and its players
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-12/holmes-a-devastating-verdict-for-essendon-and-its-players/7082930

  100. January 13, 2016 11:25 pm

    Another cane toad found in Victoria

    Friday, August 3 2012

    ,,,,A Sunbury resident found a cane toad in her backyard earlier this month, marking the fourth confirmed report of a cane toad in this state in the last year.

    In all of the previous cases the cane toad had found its way into Victoria either in a suitcase, a cargo crate or in nursery plants. There is no explanation as to how this cane toad came to be in a Sunbury backyard.,,,,

    http://www.dimboolacourier.com.au/news.php?newsid=1187

    #there has been more floods since this was written, l wonder if toads have been `washed` further south

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 12:08 am

    Perhaps this was one that we didn’t get away with.

    Just another part of society destroyed with the chase for $$$ profit …. at the expense of good sport …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    l wonder if toads have been `washed` further south

    Wondered where they’d all gone to … nah, just jokin’ …

    … got one near our pond ‘tother night … one of those supermarket bags over my hand, grab the toad, slip the bag over it, tie the bag, slip it into another bag, tie that one and into the bin … fk the nonsense about putting it to sleep in my freezer!

    Anyway the more that holiday in Mexico the less here, hey? 🙄

  102. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 7:51 am

    We have been through this a million times.

    Yes, and you are still too fucken dumb to understand what has been presented to you a million times.

    Thymosin beta 4 is prohibited for athletes under anti-doping rule

    And dumbass just keeps telling us that if it isn’t “illegal” then whats the fuss. Infkncredible

    Did the authorities crumble under pressure?

    If you are talking the AFL authorities, they were complicit from the start. How else did essendon get their ‘tip off’. If you are talking ASADA, the yabot grubmint (who were in power for the bulk of the time this ran) did much to stymie the efforts, like leaving senior positions untended for ridiculous amounts of time. Who knows what went on in hte back corridors.

    Truth will out. And it did. It just took an international organisastion to slap down our own countries inability to police itself. A true low point, amongst many others in the past couple of years.

  103. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 8:06 am

    Further to the size and magnitude of what is being lost with our automotive industry, this from BK@PB (?) last night hit home. Unlike him, I have only worked intermittently with the automotive industry, but have seen enough to know that what he says here wrings true. I also worked with enough professionals in other fields to see that the automotive industry produced so much value added talent to them that now will be lost. One of my biggest fears was that the ASC couldn’t function as well s it did without the skills sets they garnered from the auto industry. I guess that is now an irrelevant fear too.

    Can we ever repair this? Can we ever rebuild any sort of a vehicle manufacturing industry?

    bemused
    No, we cannot rebuild it more’s the pity.
    Having worked in the last 10 years in the consulting space after 37 years in automotive manufacturing I have had a unique opportunity to see the benefits of said industry and what we are missing as a result of its demise.
    In companies big and small, from manufacturing through distribution and into commerce I have seen a distinct lack of management skills in building capacity and capability from existing resources and then using those opportunities to create increased profitability and business security. I have seen the most mediocre of people from auto manufacturing become “stars” in such organisations.
    The consulting company with whom I have been associated has predominately recruited from the automotive industry but now there are very slim pickings. The auto industry has been Australia’s de facto university of manufacturing and lean management. We are just not growing good people any more.
    For each of the 37 years I worked in the auto industry we were looking over our shoulders at the threat of closure. We had to embrace and achieve significant and continuous improvements year in year out in order to prove ourselves to the owners who themselves were saddled with lots of unused available capacity. It really sharpens one up.
    Turnbull talks of innovation. The auto industry had to innovate to survive. It took many decades to get the industry up to a competitive level producing high quality vehicles. The plan that John Button and Bob Hawke introduced in 1982 was the vehicle for getting the industry to the stage that it was.
    I lament the loss of this strategically vital industry, It is lost forever -along with its vibrant and continually challenging working environment. I can honestly say that there wasn’t a day that went by without me learning something new.
    That’s why it gives me the shits!

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/01/11/morgan-56-44-to-coalition-3/?comment_page=19/#comment-2318428

    he has some additional comments further down that are well worth considering also.

    bemused
    Unfortunately the size of our market plus the great excess of worldwide capacity would have made it impossible to exist without being in the umbrella of one of the big companies.
    What Australia did excel in was the ability to create and effectively use a low volume/high variability manufacturing model. Believe me this is a much more difficult thing to do well.
    …………..
    shea mcduff
    It was the application of auto manufacturing thinking and drive that turned around ASC’s submarine maintenance performance.

    With the dollar back at reasonable levels, our car industry would once again be a viable and vibrant industry, IF the libs had not so completely destroyed it.

    I wasn’t sure if it would be impossible to resurrect, but, after reading BK’s opinion, it doesn’t seem likely. His reasoning is quite insightful. We had worked our industry into a position of global competitiveness, thanks in large to the Button plan, but our current crop of pollies in power are too short sighted and too ideologically driven to see the longer term damage they have wrought.

    Or, more concerning, they just don’t care.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:15 am

    Truth will out. And it did. It just took an international organisastion to slap down our own countries inability to police itself.

    Dooesn’t it highlight ‘the system’ we live under.

    We don’t seem to police ourselves on much at all when it comes to business interests and their profits [think AWB and government complicity] sport is a very big business here, what about the numerous rip offs of the financial industry? Then there are the males who bash their partners senseless and impose domestic terror on their ‘loved ones’, plus the sexual harassers/predators that abound at work, home and in-between.
    Is there an established police unit that investigates business exploitation, human trafficking & slavery or minimum wage abuses? No, it’s up to someone to dob them in if they are brave enough.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/03/minimum-wage-poorly-policed

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/461-480/tandi464.html

    We have the laughable self [no] regulation where white collar crime thrives, we have become a ‘paradise for white collar criminals’ according to government official and we also have the legal rip offs like the selling off of public owned goods and services for private profit, who dreamed that lucrative one up? The trickle up trick where taxpayers are forced to pay the wealthy elite to make more profit on their own private business.

    When it comes to someone with motor vehicle fines, drug use, a protester, a whistleblower or a penny ante thief, well, they will have the full force that the law can provide thrown at them.

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:34 am

    Yes, and you are still too fucken dumb to understand what has been presented to you a million times.

    Local car sales crashed to 10% of the market under Gillard. That is why we no longer have a car industry.

    Thymosin beta 4 is prohibited for athletes under anti-doping rule

    Thymosin is used in injury repair and is not performance enhancing. And that is your only example. But i would not like being injected with things like that so i can understand the concern.

  106. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:47 am

    We don’t seem to police ourselves on much at all when it comes to business interests and their profits

    We don’t seem to want to. But, against that, especially in relation to white collar criminals, look back at the article you linked to recently

    Australian unions operate in a regulatory environment that is among the strictest in the developed world.

    ………….

    It is simply appalling that the occupational death rate in Australia across all industries is among the highest in the developed world.

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/12/reflections-on-the-turc-from-a-union-official/

    Not being one to draw a line or anything……

    And this mob reckons we need less regulations around safety (think Pink Batts), but MORE around Unions.

  107. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:48 am

    And that is your only example.

    wow 😯

  108. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:49 am

  109. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:54 am

    Perhaps people should just be more “agile”

    You know, stash their millions in an offshore account or some such 😉

    Access to myGov, the Centrelink website and the Medicare system is proving increasingly difficult, and it seems staff cuts are to blame.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/health/centrelink-medicare-and-mygov-technical-glitches-show-innovation-talk-all-spam/

  110. Walrus permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:02 am

    Oh My Dog !

    I can scarcely believe it…………………..I actually agree with the Kouk

    http://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/why-im-betting-10000-that-the-rbs-uberbears-have-got-it-all-wrong-20160113-gm5idi

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:04 am

    Thymosin is used in injury repair and is not performance enhancing.

    So neil, you disagree with all the world’s sports and drug administration agencies, what a surprise. Why do you think they would ban it then?

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:10 am

    What a depressing start to my day …

    Actually as I was reading it reminded me that Australia’s manufacturing industry was also depleted just before WWI and WWII … and it took a couple of years (in the middle of two WWs) to recover enough to actually supply equipment to Aussie troops …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In companies big and small, from manufacturing through distribution and into commerce I have seen a distinct lack of management skills …

    So did I as a management training consultant … in all commerce and industries … (good for business tho’ … 🙂 )

    The auto industry has been Australia’s de facto university of manufacturing and lean management.

    Agree .. and not just the manufacturing side of the auto industry … sales, service and spare parts are all learning environments …

    While I still believe that General Motors made some wrong choices with regard to the Australian market, I recall a link being supplied some months ago that demonstrated the revenue raised by subsidising the auto workforce being greater than the subsidy … the Multiplier Effect in practice …

    But once again that demonstrates poor management decisions not poor workplace practices by unions …

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:36 am

    So neil, you disagree with all the world’s sports and drug administration agencies, what a surprise. Why do you think they would ban it then

    Is thymosin banned? At the moment what happened looks suspicious but not illegal. And certainly nothing like we were lead to believe what was allegedly going on. I was expecting anabolic steroids, blood doping and worse.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:39 am

    Yeah! If Hadgkiss has done something or anything… that is clearly irrefutable evidence that the CFMEU has NEVER done anything wrong!

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:40 am

  116. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:45 am

    to recover enough to actually supply equipment to Aussie troops …

    And here I was thinking it was all teh Unions (BOO) fault.

    I recall a link being supplied some months ago that demonstrated the revenue raised by subsidising the auto workforce being greater than the subsidy

    Yep, and also how the grubmints report carefully tip toe around this fact

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:45 am

    “…Is thymosin banned?…”

    “,,,Thymosin beta 4 is prohibited for athletes under anti-doping rule…

    I think prohibited for athletes means banned for athletes neil.

    Are you trying to say that professional footballers aren’t athletes?

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:51 am

    I think Essendon (the club) deserves plenty of punishment. The players have been treated far too harshly.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:56 am

    … that is clearly irrefutable evidence that the CFMEU has NEVER done anything wrong!

    Nah … that just demonstrates your strange view of the world … and constant attempts to display your thoughts as someone else’s …

    As usual you miss the point … let he who has not sinned cast the first stone …

    In fact … sarcasm, cynicism and attempted humour aside … “the CFMEU has NEVER done anything wrong” … is a silly statement …

    The Liberals and their many stooges constantly keep falling off the high moral stand they sit themselves upon … none so high as that incompetent Heydon tho’ … classic …

  120. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:56 am

    The players have been treated far too harshly.

    You mean the players who lied repeatedly to ASADA during the time they were being injected to say that they weren’t being injected? Those players?

    They knew it was clandestine. They knew they didn’t know what was in it??

    They are professionals who cheated, and got caught. And, to add insult to injury, tried to blame everyone else.

    I think prohibited for athletes means banned for athletes neil.

    Yea, but is it “illegal” 😉

  121. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 11:59 am

    The Fin review has NEVER done anything wrong 😉

    A labour hire company linked to underworld figure George Alex made more than $700,000 in payments to the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, amid further revelations about union kickbacks following the royal commission into union corruption.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/cfmeu-received-700000-from-underworld-figure-george-alex-company-20160111-gm3d7k#ixzz3xAxGHmn3
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    fucken idiots. Does nil “right” for them?

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 12:09 pm

    And here I was thinking it was all teh Unions (BOO) fault.

    Nice try … but the wharfies really shat in their own nests during WWII and Vietnam … soldiers even today are politically swayed by the VN debacle …

    If you’re interested this provides good background …

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/workers.htm

    (Note: I served in Australia 1970/71 … but of course worked and socialised (funny I know) with many VN Vets)

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 14, 2016 12:57 pm

    But once again that demonstrates poor management decisions not poor workplace practices by unions …

    Wrong. Telling lies helps nobody. Toyota Management wanted a 10 day Christmas shutdown instead of 3 weeks and Unions were against. The Unions also took Toyota to court to stop cost cutting measures

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/toyotas-altona-plant-to-start-21day-shutdown-amid-survival-fears-20131217-2zj05.html

    Workers at Toyota’s Altona plant will on Wednesday afternoon down tools for 21 days – the longest holiday shutdown at any of the car maker’s 54 plants across the globe.,,,,,,The company was last week prevented by a Federal Court judgment from putting 27 cost-cutting measures to a vote of staff.

  124. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 1:04 pm

    but the wharfies really shat in their own nests during WWII and Vietnam

    I’m not saying the Unions were choir boys. You could probably find as many examples of Unions (or more precisely, union members) trying to profit from the war as there were soldiers, and companies.

    But don’t perpetuate the libs war on Unions for them TB

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-11/stanley-australias-secret-and-unhistorical-war/5960090

  125. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 1:05 pm

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 2:22 pm

    TR, already read The Drum re Colebatch … did you read my link? From the ANU?

    I certainly don’t “perpetuate” anything for the Libs … but facts are facts … just not the Colebatch distortions …

  127. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 2:32 pm

    did you read my link?

    In dribs and drabs TB, in dribs and drabs.

    Mostly what I’ve read to date seems pretty much the Unions sticking up for stopping the war mongering, but I haven’t got far in yet.

  128. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2016 2:33 pm

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 14, 2016 2:36 pm

    Too funny. TB of Queensland makes a comment without apologising for his dishonest comments. TB said this

    But once again that demonstrates poor management decisions not poor workplace practices by unions

    Toyota management asked workers for a 10 day Christmas shutdown rather than 3 weeks. Workers did not want this. Management also wanted other things. Workers disagreed

    Well good bye Toyota.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 5:32 pm

    nnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznnnnnn … smack!

    😀

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 5:36 pm

    I see Tony Abbott’s TURC has created a rather creative and informed enemy … for the LibNits … !

    Roll on Election 2016 … the longer the better … a little nibble here and a little nibble there …

    I can hear it now … ‘Mr Speaker, my question is for the PM … will low paid new mothers lose almost $12,000 under … etc … “

  132. January 14, 2016 8:03 pm

    AO,,,,,,,taxpayers are forced to pay the wealthy elite to make more profit on their own private business.

    When it comes to someone with motor vehicle fines, drug use, a protester, a whistleblower or a penny ante thief, well, they will have the full force that the law can provide thrown at them.,,,,,,

    #as both teams continue to edge their way closer to fascism in all manner, and remove fairness and `justice` from the average citizen, the most important skill your grandkids will need will be the ability to hit a baked-bean tin at the maximum range of the long-barrel, on the first shot.

  133. January 14, 2016 8:21 pm

    teebz, l look forward to the first photo of the `weather-denier` standing ankle-deep in cane toads in tropical boltsville

    #washing.cane.toads.south:-)

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2016 10:07 pm

    Tbagz …. he’s way too high and the shiny arse will dazzle ’em! 😀

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 15, 2016 6:46 am

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 15, 2016 6:49 am

  137. January 15, 2016 7:45 am

    THE DAILY BLIB

    GNAWING ZOMBIE BREAKFAST EDITION

    Reheated zombie Kevin Andrews has taken a swipe at his successor, Marise Payne, after the defence minister denied a request from the United States to send more Australian troops to the Middle East to fight the `death-cult`, Isis.

    Andrews, who lost the defence portfolio when Malcolm Talkbull became prime meddler in September, said Payne should have given ”favourable consideration” to the American request.

    The opposition leader, blib, told reporters that members of the government should be unified on the issue of national security.

    ”Defence and our troops in the Middle East should not be used for a political battle inside the Liberal party,” blib said.

    Talkbull confirmed on Wednesday night that Australia would not send more troops to the war-torn region, ahead of an official visit to the United States next week.

    Payne released a statement saying she had advised the US defence secretary, Ash Carter, that Australia’s military contribution in Syria and Iraq would not change.

    ”Australia has considered the request from US secretary of defense Ash Carter in light of the substantial contributions we are already making to train Iraqi security forces and to the air campaign,” she said. ”The government has advised secretary Carter that our existing contributions will continue, tho they could have blib any time they want.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/14/kevin-andrews-criticises-marise-payne-for-denying-us-request-for-more-troops?CMP=share_btn_tw

  138. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2016 8:02 am

    Thanks for the tweet about Ross AO. I had read something about it on pb last night, but they weren’t too clear.

    I went to the Delimiter site after reading that tweet you posted. It appears that what we have said over the past few years is correct. theirabc has gone soft on the nobn and malcayman, the one responsible for its destruction, and it has now cost a talented reporter his job (albeit by his own hand). the abc will be worst for this, which is a shame, it is already quite shit.

    Of course, considering the other outlets are either murdor, or the pathetic farfax, then chances are we won’t be hearing too much about this either.

    It will be kept as quiet as ashbygate was. And poor widdle wally yawns because I constantly have to highlight how often the media in this cuntry let us down.

    Ross has stated that he has taken a “scientific” approach to analysis of the NBN, and many Australian technologists hold a strongly positive view of the journalist’s NBN coverage, regarding him as one of the few journalists in the mainstream media to have taken an evidence-based approach to analysing the rival NBN policies.

    However, Ross is regarded by Coalition figures and some independent industry figures as being broadly biased towards Labor’s near-universal fibre model for the NBN and against the Coalition’s Multi-Technology Mix approach.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/14/journo-claims-abc-gagged-his-nbn-coverage/

    The simple fact is, if you do take the scientific approach, then there is no way you can write a positive article about the nobn, whereas the NBN had a lot of positives about it. Scientifically speaking (cos I can), it wasn’t bias, but straight out facts that got him silenced. The libs just can’t handle the truth.

    The North Koreans must be thrilled that their ideology is taking on elsewhere in the world

  139. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2016 9:20 am

  140. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2016 9:32 am

    fckn hilarious

    the oz, writing a story, about a story it wrote about a story it probably made up

    How amusing. Some anonymous Labor types are grizzling about unions giving money to the Greens. These people can grizzle as much as they like, but it won’t make any difference.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/grace-collier/unions-ignore-labor-sooks-over-payments-to-greens/news-story/e5373fffe0f017269264b8da2f13cd47

    How amusing, some vapid murdor type grizzling about Unions from a story about a story that isn’t even a story

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2016 10:53 am

    It appears that what we have said over the past few years is correct. theirabc has gone soft on the nobn and malcayman, the one responsible for its destruction,

    And its this shite – that’s going on all over the Western World – that’s really pissing me off right now … because it is getting worse … I’m sick of no-good, nobody wannabe’s farting around with things that will affect me and mine directly …

    The Liberal Ideology Machine is simply destroying the economy and society in a crushing stupidity race to the bottom …

    Self fulfilling, greedy, vacuum economic Robber Barons raping, pillaging and burning … in the name of democracy, freedom and capitalism … what fkn hypocrites …

    What’s even more frightening is that 40% of the population obviously are not intelligent enough or so ideologically blind to see what’s happening …

    When it all comes crumbling down … who steps into the vacuum?

    China or ISIL …?

  142. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2016 12:18 pm

    And its this shite

    Not all is shite.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 15, 2016 12:44 pm

    “…Scientifically speaking (cos I can), it wasn’t bias, but straight out facts that got him silenced. The libs just can’t handle the truth…”

    The truth is the enemy of propaganda, it and the truth teller must be silenced. The power of the state is good at getting rid of troublesome truth mongers

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 15, 2016 12:47 pm

    I wondered why we had hardly heard anything about the crap fraud band in the media – it’s a conspiracy!

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2016 1:17 pm

    I’m sick of no-good, nobody wannabe’s farting around with things that will affect me and mine directly …

    Me to. In 2007 there were only 6 boat people in detention. After your vote in 2007 Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people 2,000 of whom were kids.

    Under Rudd/Gillard we spent $12B housing all these people and several billion more since the 2013 election.

    At least $15B wasted because of you TB. That $15B could have built a new hospital, funded scientific research for the next 50 years etc

    It is about time you started repenting of your mistakes rather than giving lectures praising the ALP.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2016 1:22 pm

    nnnnnnnnnbbbbbzbzbzbzbbbznnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn … slap!

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2016 2:04 pm

    No TB, it is time you started repenting rather than giving your ignorant opinions.

    In 2007 Federal govt debt was zero. Thanks to your vote in 2007 we are now paying $1B interest/month on the debt you voted for. Most of that interest goes to overseas investors.

    Thankyou TB

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:11 pm

    repenting! Chortle!

    SMACK!

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:27 pm

  150. January 15, 2016 9:39 pm

    Yep read the delimiter team-cheerer. No surprise here. Hate to say it but, it does show also clueless the team is, and/or how teabag-lite they are. The team should have booted-out all the teabag-stooges from my abc board and re-jigged the system to 1.get rid of `fake`balance, AND 2.prevent planet-janet-like teabag-stooges from having positions on my abc board/power.

    The white-anting of my abc AND the copper-class-nbn is being done on behalf of the clueless-folks that failed and floundered with pay/cable-tv. Unfortunately their cluelessness still remains, getting rid of my abc won`t mean everybody will buy rupert-cable and/or limited-news. Neither will having a copper-class-nbn prevent citizens getting usa-netfix and bbc with their i-devices. All it does show is they have no tech-savvy and can`t innovate.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2016 11:54 pm

    So dem kryschuns don’t have all the answers from Dog then …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/anglican-bar-on-us-church-to-avoid-split/news-story/d4ed9ecf5583fede0b4ea19689d583b5

  152. January 16, 2016 5:40 am

    Bishop Michael B. Curry said the decision would “bring real pain” but that he would remain “committed to ‘walking together’ with you as fellow primates in the Anglican family”. #ROFL:-)

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 9:52 am

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/labor-digs-up-rudds-nbn-20151014-gk8t62

    Here we go again. Labor’s announcement it will reinvigorate the National Broadband fibre-optic-cable-to-every-home Network, but not share any details, or even admit that it will cost a lot more money than the current mix of technologies, should come as no surprise.

    Labor has no credibility in this area. The NBN as conceived under Rudd Labor turned an important piece of national infrastructure, running to a sensible timetable into a Kevin Rudd vanity project, with no real idea of the costs, that ran to a political schedule. It went from $4.7 billion in 2007, to $42 billion in 2009 to cost at least $56 billion today.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 9:56 am

    BOOFHEADS

    Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison is reportedly considering two major tax packages.

    A larger package that would increase the GST to 15 per cent to bring in an additional $32 billion each year is favoured by Mr Turnbull, News Corp reports.

    But a smaller package that would still include personal income tax cuts, limits on negative gearing and workplace deduction cuts is also being considered by the tax white paper task force.

    Those cuts would be funded by increases in superannuation taxation and limits on workplace deductions and negative gearing concessions.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/two-tax-options-on-the-cards-for-australia/news-story/4f0e52f21518fb7c8b3ed0918630aebf

    Do both but increase the GST to 12% … remove all negative gearing* welfare for property asset owners … and TAX multinationals …

    *Grandfather it by all means … but it must stop.

    And as I understand it tax welfare for super will be taken care of in January 2017.

    Its not fkn hard — unless you want to protect your rich mates and fk around with the sick, weak, old, young, students …

    Nothing has changed … simply an Abbott in Turnbull clothing …

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 16, 2016 12:33 pm

    But a smaller package that would still include personal income tax cuts, limits on negative gearing and workplace deduction cuts is also being considered by the tax white paper task force.

    Covering all bases?
    Sounds like another weather ‘vain’ policy, let’s see if the electorate like this one, if they don’t we have others! 😆 or whatever keeps us in power and keeps malcolm as PM.

    The team should have booted-out all the teabag-stooges from my abc board and re-jigged the system to 1.get rid of `fake`balance, AND 2.prevent planet-janet-like teabag-stooges from having positions on my abc board/power.

    They should, why keep taking the high road when the others fight so dirty? Labor have to get in the trenches with them if they want to win an election.

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 1:15 pm

    2.prevent planet-janet-like teabag-stooges from having positions on my abc board/power.

    this just proves that Labor supporters are natural totalitarians. I bet Hawke/Keating stacked the ABC board. One conservative gets on the board and lefties go bananas.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 4:17 pm

    If mozzies use illegal drugs they buzz around in ever decreasing circles

    nnnnnbbbbzzznnnnnn
    nnnnbbbbzzznnnnn
    nnnbbbbzzznnnn
    nnnnbbbbzzznn
    nnbbbbzzznnn
    nbbbbzzznn
    nbbbbzzzn

    SMACK!

  158. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2016 4:39 pm

    How many cases have their been of liberal politicians shooting hte messenger, and then, in hte aftermath, we find it is the lib pollies bullshitting, again, and yet, they are still assumed, by our gormless media, to be the correct ones, and everyone else must prove their case beyond any unreasonable doubt

    Independent report finds aid workers were unfairly fired on Nauru for political reasons and there was no evidence to back claims they fabricated abuse stories

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/16/coalition-must-apologise-to-save-the-children-staff-after-report-labor-says?CMP=share_btn_tw

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 4:52 pm

    House of Representatives economic committee chairman Craig Laundy has been commissioned to conduct an inquiry into tax deductions that could reportedly lower tax revenue by up to $5bn.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/16/morrison-considering-two-tax-reform-options-including-32bn-gst-hike

    Laundy is the son of New South Wales public hotel baron, Arthur Laundy and his wife, Margaret. The family owns more than 30 hotels across the state.[1] He was born in the Sydney suburb of Bass Hill and educated at St Patrick’s College Strathfield, St Joseph’s College and University of New South Wales where he graduated with a Bachelor of Economics.

    Prior to his election to parliament at the 2013 federal election, Laundy worked in the family hotel business.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Laundy

    Just the man … 😦

    No mention of:

    Negative Gearing welfare

    ► Trust Fund welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the rich welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax dodge welfare

    ► Present pollie’s expenses welfare

    ► Post pollie’s expenses welfare

    ► Bean bag wastefulness

    ► International Travel wastefulness

    Lo-o-o-o-o-ng way to go yet!

  160. January 16, 2016 5:46 pm

    AO,,,,,,why keep taking the high road when the others fight so dirty?,,,,,,,

    #the `high-road` aspect is wrong armchair, both teams are actually `abdicating` governing as a government of `national-interest` to the corporates, and corporate interest extends no further than shareholder returns and boardroom wages, this is not `national-interest` of any kind

    AO,,,,,,Labor have to get in the trenches with them if they want to win an election.,,,,,

    #the team haven`t recovered from the self-inflicted wreckage of recent years, and haven`t learned from it either, the teams two major problems are they still lack `discipline`, and don`t do `strategic-planning` too well (even when they have good ideas), the current working example is, from time to time the `team` claim their `battle` with the greenz, too fcuking silly to realize blib won`t make it to govt in an `out-right` sense, but may cobble together a `watermelon`. But the `team` want to make the `battle` with the greenz, talk about fcuking dumb.

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 5:54 pm

    Independent report finds aid workers were unfairly fired on Nauru for political reasons and there was no evidence to back claims they fabricated abuse stories

    Where were you when this was happening under Rudd/Gillard?

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    2.4 Mental health impacts of detention

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides

  162. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2016 6:17 pm

    with no real idea of the costs, that ran to a political schedule

    What an absolutely load of bollocks from the afr, again. Hot on the heels of completely stuffing up another attack on the Unions, they make shit up about Labor’s NBN.

    It has been shown, by the libs own handpicked nobn team, that Labors figures were correct, and WOULD have been the same cost as the libs now mixed up crap.

    NBN also showed that the schedule was decided on the most timely to receive it dependent upon the various requirements taken into consideration (eg copper life, current needs)

    The afr is as unreliable as the oz these days (or has it always been so?)

  163. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2016 6:23 pm

    Where were you when this was happening under Rudd/Gillard?

    Condemning it, along with others, you included. Where are you now things are worst than ever. Playing “look over there”

    Self-harm in detention centres at epidemic levels, internal documents show
    …………………….
    The data shows that in the year to July 2015 there were 188 incidents of self-harm involving asylum seekers at Nauru, about one every two days. There were 55 such self-harm acts at Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island.
    …………..
    The rate of self-harm is even higher in Australia’s onshore detention network, where there were 706 acts in 12 months – almost two incidents a day. They included asylum seekers living in the community or in community detention.
    …………………..
    The controversial company, which performs key functions at the offshore camps, reported 253 incidents of self-harm over 972 days between September 2012 and April 2015, or about one incident every four days.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/selfharm-in-detention-centres-at-epidemic-levels-internal-documents-show-20160115-gm74q3.html#ixzz3xOEE9bgE
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    So, AFTER the report came out, things have got worst, not better, and that has nothing to do with Rudd or Gillard.

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 6:41 pm

    Condemning it, along with others, you included. Where are you now things are worst than ever.

    Really? Worse than this?

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73]

    4,313 incidents in 3 years under Rudd/Gillard. Everything is always worse under Labor. Shame on you for going look over there when your vote locked up all these people.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 9:09 pm

    bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…… KABOOM!

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 9:10 pm

    Fuckwit©

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 9:28 pm

    Yep typical comment for a man who locked up 2,000 kids , trashed the budget, trashed the unemployment rate, spent $12B housing the boat people he voted for,destroyed the lives of countless people and furthermore does not give a stuff.

  168. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2016 10:05 pm

    read the figures nil, it doesn’t include “threatened and attempted “, just “actual”

    Not that reality gets through your blinders

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2016 10:31 pm

    feeding time, TR?

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2016 10:33 pm

    read the figures nil, it doesn’t include “threatened and attempted “, just “actual”

    I was going to say that i cannot believe you said that. But you obviously you did. All these people were locked up by the Rudd/Gillard govt and the people who voted for them.

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73]

    4,313 incidents in 3 years equals 4 incidents/day.

    Like TB you should be repenting but are too proud too admit you are an immoral piece of filth.

  171. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2016 9:12 am

    feeding time, TR?

    My bad tb,some people are just too stupid to argue with, and nil being even dumber than them.

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 10:41 am

  173. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2016 11:03 am

    And whilst one journo who spoke favourably of a Labor policy and highlighted the lies and distortions of the libs has “allegedly” been gagged (yea, cos no nobn questions to malcayman shows how keen theirabc were for info)

    Nick Ross, the ABC’s Technology and Games Editor, announced on Thursday he had left his job of five years. In posting the news on his Twitter account, he set off a storm when he alluded that he had not been allowed to write about the NBN.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01/14/nick-ross-abc-nbn_n_8985558.html?utm_hp_ref=australia

    Another news outlet highlights the devious manner that “journalists” from the abc denigrate Labors campaign to highlight all that is wrong with the GST. Do we recall the same journo’s calling yabots Carbon Tax “scare campaign” for what it was?


    The ABC Scare Campaign Against A GST Debate
    ……
    It is not a ‘scare tactic’ to point out that increasing the rate of a regressive tax (or extending its base to include food) will, all other things left the same, redistribute income to higher groups.

    It is not a scare tactic to claim that the same process will pass up the opportunity to engage in genuine reform of a tax system disfigured with inequity and regressivity.

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/16/the-abc-scare-campaign-against-the-debate-to-raise-the-gst/

  174. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2016 11:08 am

    Instead of protecting them, he hunted the messengers:

    It is a common theme from this mob. Anyone who thinks that the libs didn’t apply pressure to theirabc forget yabot and his “who’s side are you on” statements. The political interference from this mob is breathtaking.

    Have any of the apologise to Gillian Trigs yet?

    What next?

    A medal for kicking Gillian Triggs in an alley after the rest of the libs have finished with her (I can’t find a link to that sobering cartoon showing this)

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 12:00 pm

    The table the Turnbull government didn’t want you to see
    http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/the-table-the-turnbull-government-didnt-want-you-to-see-20160103-glyq16#ixzz3xSRLtNNk

    …Yes, Australia has a spending problem, but it also has a revenue problem, which is only growing…

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 12:14 pm

    …What next?…

    That’s food for thought TB. Do those medals make of mockery of the medals given to our soldiers for real bravery in wartime. Medals to public servants who are prepared to use brute and brutal force to crush the world’s most desperate and needy, medals for bullying and inhumanity, even against our own civilians?

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 12:31 pm

    You will always have higher personal debt under a liberal govt [while the wealthy pay no tax]

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2016 12:32 pm

    KL, I have service medals ( for time served and just being called up) … so I’m not in a position to argue …

    … but I’m a bit gobsmacked at why you would receive a medal for being a “bouncer” for the Australia Club … o_O

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 1:48 pm

    exactly TB

    I think it’s typical strategy, much like your medals for being called up, give them all a medal and they will do the worst that you ask of them, tell them that the brutality and inhumanity they perform is their patriotic duty and make out they are defending australia from people escaping real war and misery.

    Their medals are in the same category as these

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 1:51 pm

    or these:

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 1:55 pm

    … but I’m a bit gobsmacked at why you would receive a medal for being a “bouncer” for the Australia Club …

    Encourages others [who covet those things] to join the club TB.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 1:58 pm

    Story here TB

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 17, 2016 2:04 pm

    What’s wrong with a simple certificate? They are already being paid for doing their job. Perhaps they think it will stop their members from taking industrial action!

    Border Force strikes to cause disruptions at Australian international airports:
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/border-force-strikes-to-cause-disruptions-at-australian-international-airports-20151108-gktjzc.html#ixzz3xT1RiEWc

  184. January 17, 2016 5:32 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,Anyone who thinks that the libs didn’t apply pressure to theirabc forget yabot and his “who’s side are you on” statements. The political interference from this mob is breathtaking.,,,,,#yep.sure.true

    #of course my abc is under constant attack from teabags and tea-lackies

    #and yes, matilda is correct about the `loaded` language my abc are `adopting` under a board continually loaded with teabag-stooges

    #but all this is only possible because the other team is just as corrupt, and only really interested in trough-snouting for themselves and their mates

    #the team under hawke/keating allowed the tax-system and `super` to be rorts-for-the-rich, while workers have no chance to `hide` money under payg/paye

    #jooliar/blib attacked womens welfare, supported 457-visa-scam, supported work-for-dole-scam, and NOT shut-down rich-rort-loop-holes

    #the tax-system is the CORE of our measure of `fairness`, and teabag-lite has failed the majority of citizens by maintaining that unfairness. See also teebz `list`.

  185. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2016 7:01 pm

    #the team under hawke/keating allowed the tax-system and `super` to be rorts-for-the-rich

    Evidence is preferable to your ramblings

    #jooliar/blib attacked womens welfare, supported 457-visa-scam, supported work-for-dole-scam, and NOT shut-down rich-rort-loop-holes

    Yes, womens welfare was a sorry tale, 457, they actually tightened the rules, so again, ramblings over evidence. And, they did shut down rorts, only to have them overturned by hockey etal.

    Try recalling history accurately instead of just attacking without thought, again and again and again. People might begin to think you are just a repetitive tool

  186. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2016 7:05 pm

  187. January 17, 2016 7:31 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,,457, they actually tightened the rules,,,,,,

    #and a wonderful job they did too, myers-cleaners and 7-11 were very frightened after said `tightening`, too bad the team didn`t just scrap the 457-rort instead of being merely teabag-lite

  188. January 17, 2016 7:48 pm

    they,,,,,,did shut down rorts,,,,,,

    #nope, not the ones l specifically listed and attributed too, nor teebz list either

    #yes, yes, team-cheerer, after some 16-years or so, of boardroom `salary-sacrificing` 99.999% of their millions in salary to `super`, leaving paye-plebs to carry the burden, jooliar did put some `limits`-on, the point was hawke/keating should have never have allowed it in the first place .. UN-ETHICAL .. in a teabag-like fashion .. so much for `looking-after` workers huh

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2016 7:59 pm

    the point was hawke/keating should have never have allowed it in the first place ..

    And they lost office in 1996!!!!.

    The Liberals rule the roost now FFS! … Hawke/Keating can’t change anything!

    yer starting to sound like Kneel’s cousin … from banjo country … 😉

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2016 8:00 pm

    “””” the point was hawke/keating should have never have allowed it in the first place .. “””””

    I agree by BTW!

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 18, 2016 6:08 am

    This is what people said about supposedly the worst day in Australian sport at the beginning of the investigation into doping in sport.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/this-is-the-blackest-day-in-australian-sport-20130207-2e1i3.html

    AUSTRALIA’S top sporting codes have been rocked by revelations that organised crime is behind the increasing use of banned performance-enhancing drugs by ”multiple athletes” across sporting codes and possible attempts to fix matches and manipulate betting markets.

    All they found is thymosin the only possible illegal drug being used in one sport-AFL. And thymosin is not a performance enhancer. Apparently it is used in wound repair.

  192. Tom R permalink
    January 18, 2016 8:12 am

    All they found is thymosin

    No dil, that was just the most famous.

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/481-500/tandi490.html

    I agree by BTW!

    I also, but, one (or three) trees do make a forest. And, it is seeing the attempts to right the wrongs once their impact (or rorting ability) is seen.

    Nobody can deny that Labor, and particularly the Gillard Government, didn’t try to right many of these wrongs. Ignoring them, while hanging on tightly to your little list, just magnifies your ignorance, and angle.

  193. Tom R permalink
    January 18, 2016 9:04 am

    Was amused(?) to see the front page of the oz this morning, proudly declaring that we have the lowest wage growth in our history, and it is all the Chinese fault.

    They seem to have forgotten their “scare campaign” when Labor were in office of an imminent “wage explosion”. It never eventuated, but they argued and fought for any mechanism with which to stifle wages. They have also unremittingly, and quite regularly inaccurately, blown up any negative news regarding Unions and their fight to maintain/grow workers rights and wages.

    And now, with the fruition of their war reaping its desired benefits, they happily point the blame elsewhere, and lament with the workers they have successfully robbed.

    Nicely played murdor, nicely played 😉

    Australia faces its slowest income growth in more than 50 years as the downturn in China hits wages and profits while sparking fears of a new global downturn.

    With the Australian sharemarket facing the prospect of steep falls today, a new report by Deloitte Access Economics identifies Australia’s poor income growth as a “worry”, even though the latest figures on the national economy, including strong jobs growth, have pointed to reasonable growth.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/income-growth-lowest-in-50-years/news-story/c4bf6b71acffdfb0c36c9a9952cd67ad

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 18, 2016 9:08 am

    TomR

    Your link finished with this conclusion

    The examples of alleged or confirmed corruption described here as affecting Australian sport in the five years to 2013 are too few to permit any form of rigorous analysis

  195. Tom R permalink
    January 18, 2016 9:31 am

    Yes, nil, hardly surprising that a report written by this grubmint would conclude that, is it, the same political party that accused Labor of making what has turned out to be a horrendous episode a political thing, which it didn’t, and has since done much to stymie efforts to investigate correctly.

    I put that link up to show you how much else was happening

    It’s also interesting that a list of corruption into sport longer than anything that has been exposed AFTER an rc into ALLEGED Union corruption is warranted as not permitting “any form of rigorous analysis”

    That alone should raise eyebrows.

    Instead, you take the word of a grubmint who have shown to have lied about just about everything they have done, from detention issues to broadband claims. And the political pressure put onto those that seek to expose the truth beneath.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    January 18, 2016 2:53 pm

    KEY POINTS FROM THE REPORT:

    – The world’s richest 1% now hold more wealth than the rest of the planet

    – The richest 10 per cent of Australians hold more wealth than the other 90 per cent combined

    – The gap between Australia’s richest and poorest is accelerating

    – In 2015, the wealth of Australia’s richest 1% outstripped the poorest 60%

    – Australia’s richest person is worth more than all of the wealth held by the poorest 10 per cent of Australians

    Source: Oxfam’s An Economy for the 1% report

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/rich-aussies-get-richer-as-poor-stay-poor/news-story/49ef86aac5cb7b9b4f169d6b68c2cfc5

    And why:

    I prefer to live in a society … not survive in an economy – for the RICH!

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