Everybody loves Talcum!

And why does Mal Turnbull invest in the Cayman’s anyway?

Because it is goof for Australia

To avoid a conflict of interest.

You don’t think a debate about offshore tax avoidence conflicts at all with offshoring investments into a well know tax haven?

I doubt it would be because it is of financial benefit

No, of course not 😉

So one would hope he divests himself of any investment portfolio containing telstra

I think that is a good point. I wonder what Conroy did with his money?

The gap between Australia’s richest and poorest is accelerating

However everything is relative. All Australians are rich compared to most of the planet. I remember visiting Egypt many years ago and we went of the tourist paths and went into the back streets of Cairo. After being there i conclude there are no poor people in Australia.

you know nuthin’ Kneel of Sydlee

Poor people in Australia have flush toilets something people who live in the backstreets of Cairo do not have.

Yep. That`s the fraud. .. Well done kneel

It was this topic which got me kicked out of AIMN. WE found this on the ILO (International Labor Organization) website from a `1982 conference

145. In order to account fully for underemployment and casual wage labourers, the term “some work” in the definition should be interpreted as including all persons who worked at least one hour during the reference period

The worse thing is that if you work for one hour for free you are still counted as employed. Obviously it makes no sense to us but we have to assume they have a good reason for using this definition of unemployment.

#maybe so, but that doesn`t over-ride any country from acting in it`s best interest does it.

Apparently the method is the same in all OECD countries so we can compare unemployment rates between countries. If every country used a different method we could not compare unemployment rates.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/products/FBE517ECA9B07F63CA257D0E001AC7D4?OpenDocument

The ABS uses internationally agreed standards in defining unemployment and the key indicators have been measured in a consistent way since 1966.
To be classified as unemployed a person needs to meet the following three criteria:

– not working more than one hour in the reference week ;…………………………………………………..The International Labour Organization (ILO) defines unemployed people as those who are: not working one hour or more;

The libs blasted Keating for doing what every other country in the world did,

Really? Link please TR.

The big thing i remember is lefties saying Howard introduced a new method for determining unemployment to make his figures look better. Unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard so you lefties said he introduced a new rule. If you work one hour/week you are employed.

Too bad this new rule has been used since 1966. It is why i find you lefties so deceitful and stupid. If Howard did that the Labor opposition would have exploded. It was a lie that is still told on leftie blogs that Howard fudged the unemployment rate.

nil, petty sure finding a link for lib attacks on Labor pre internet might be difficult, but I’ll put this here just for interests sake

The LFS remained essentially unchanged until April 1986, when the underlying employment definition was changed to align with changes to international standards made in 1982 by the International Labour Organisation (ILO). The definition of employed persons was changed to include persons who worked without pay between 1 and 14 hours in the survey reference week, in a family business or on a farm (i.e. contributing family workers). Prior to this change, these unpaid workers were counted as employed only if they worked at least 15 hours in the reference week.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article162005?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2005&num=&view=

As for this one

It was a lie that is still told on leftie blogs that Howard fudged the unemployment rate.

read on 😉

In 2001 the LFS questionnaire underwent its first major redesign since 1978. This new questionnaire allowed the collection of new or extended data on: future starters; job tenure; underemployment; hours worked; duration of unemployment; and marginal attachment to the labour force. The new questionnaire also incorporated minor definitional changes to employment and unemployment relating to: short term absences; unavailability due to illness; and contributing family workers. These changes were made principally to improve alignment of the employment and unemployment definitions with ILO standards. Most of these changes were reflected in LFS statistics from April 2001.

So that confirms pretty much what we’ve been saying here about NBN

That whole article smells false. Why would an organisation like the ABC which hates the Coalition stop news which is bad for the Coalition? Makes no sense.

Anyway the current NBN is still Labors NBN and we are stuck with it. The big difference is the Coalition is doing FTTN rather than FTTP. So instead of digging up every street in Australia, streets will be dug up to the street corner and then the copper telephone line already installed will be used for the last bit. FTTN has to be cheaper and faster to build.

Pay yer fk taxes!

I don’t apply for anythings in your list. But increasing taxes if the lefties first thought when we need more money. Spending more wisely does not occur to a leftie.

Did I mention, Fuck James Hird?

Which reminds me of something I read elsewhere the other day

Q) What do you call a group of drug cheats?

A) A Hird

Nice to see ya back toilet (that sounds quite weird on re-reading)

Yep, the big corps have won, kicking the small worker down, whilst at the same time victimising them for all their perceived troubles.

FEDERAL Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has canned the former Coalition government’s billion dollar regional broadband deal with the Opel consortium of Optus and Elders

because………..

The original deal, the documentation of which were kept secret by then minister Coonan, didn’t meet with the conditions laid out in hte funding agreement. I cannot find anywhere where the original deal has been released, it would be interesting, but, the funding agreement had a minimum coverage laid out, which the Communications own internal analysis determined was far from the mark.

However in a sign of potential litigation over the move, SingTel has disputed the government’s claim, saying the Opel consortium met all of its contractual agreements.

And, if they HAD met the contractual agreements, then they would have been paid a pretty penny in the courts. How did that go again?

Looks like the Labor Government has again saved the taxpayers from lining the pockets of a develoer who canot achieve an outcome, much like the recent example in Victoria, where a developer has a contract signed on the eve of an election.

Oh, and a bone for tone

I know how much you like to see scientists proven wrong. 😉

A few years back, a famous psychologist published a series of studies that found people could predict the future — not all the time, but more often than if they were guessing by chance alone.

Nosek is going with Option B — and not just for psychology experiments. He thinks there’s something wrong with the way we’re doing science. And he launched a massive project to try to fix it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/01/15/463237871/episode-677-the-experiment-experiment

But, that’s the beauty of science, if you see something wrong, you can fix it.

So, Optus having difficulty supporting their case I see.

The bush would have broadband by now if it wasn’t for Labor.

And, thanks to Labors satellite (opposed by malcayman) much of it does.

Can you point to an instance where Optus has achieved what it promised (which we don’t even know, thanks to Coonan’s blackout WHAT was promised)

Looks like the Labor Government has again saved the taxpayers from lining the pockets of a develoer who canot achieve an outcome, much like the recent example in Victoria, where a developer has a contract signed on the eve of an election.

TomR why are you so dishonest?

The events of last week in Victoria where the government is spending $600 million to $1bn to not build a vital road link isn’t just a colossal trashing of taxpayers’ money, but something much more.

The Victorian taxpayers is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to stop building a road.

And the bush would have had broadband years ago if it was not for Labor.

When will you learn? Nothing the ALP works like you think it does.

Simply going on the libs actions before and since, that is fairy tale talk

It was Labor who promised broadband for all Australians at the 2007, costing only $4.7B and finished by 2013. It was a lie of course.

But, if you want actual lies,

Labor lied. Rudd said their election promise would cost $4.7B and be finished in 5 years( ie in 2013)

They canned signed contracts for regional Australia who would have had broadband years ago and now we are being sued because Conroy broke the contract

Meanwhile, the shonks best friends want to curtail the best performers

Industry funds top Chant West MySuper rankings

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/industry-funds-top-chant-west-mysuper-rankings-20160119-gm9mr7.html

As I said, that is, by the libs own evidence, bullshit.

And this is Labors 2007 election promise

Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years in partnership with the private sector. In the 19th century, nation builders laid out the railway network. In the 21st century, nation builders are laying out high speed broadband networks

Bullshit.

Lies just to win an election

Lies just to win an election

You forget, they took their upgraded version to the next election. And won.

So, stop with the lies rubbish. It’s not backed up by reality

nil, Labor tried to get the smaller version of the nbn going, so you cannot say they didn’t follow through with their election promise. Telstra wouldn’t come to the party

Labor fixed it, and fixed the Telstra mess in prossess. And took the fix to an election.

Up until the libs came and broke it again. Thanks malcayman

Another bone 4 tone

https://twitter.com/AdrianaCioci/media

Then meet me there TB 😉

“Hands Full of Money
All in Debt”

And, after dismantling Gonski, we have this.

A worrying number of private schools are refusing to enrol students with a disability or asking them to leave, a peak advocacy group says.
…………
She said public schools accommodated 80 per cent of students with disabilities, and there should be a greater representation of these students in private schools.

Just ANOTHER reason why public schools should be getting more, and why Gonski was needed, now more than ever.

But malcayman, the “lefty” PM, has killed it.

I read the delimiter article “The Inside Track: No, the ABC did not gag Nick Ross” the other day ao, and was gobsmacked. It is just Renai making a conjecture, saying he knows more than anyone else, and therefore, Ross is making it up. From the comments

According to his post in the comments above, he didn’t even post anything substantive behind the paywall; he still knows more than us, apparently.

He has lost a lot of readership over that article, as he should. He has been a lickspittle for malcayman for a long time. Leading up to the election, he was very accommodating and it is only after the election and after he got his site going again he started examining it clearly. But then he does this.

Personally, I think he bells the cat when he mentions his drive to get into the press gallery. And article like that, making an absolute pronouncement like that and refusing to put any evidence whatsoever about it into an article (paywalled or not) sits quite well with our current press galleries operation.

Just take his word for it, and that’s it.

The dumbest thing is, he even claimed that it seemed the abc had been silenced a long time ago. All of a sudden, on the eve of his press gallery drive, he comes out with this.

With friends like that…….

lol@nil

AO/Kittylitter

Please speak English.

And the Coalition broadband policy in 2007 that was good for Australia. But YOU voted against it

Yep. Cannot admit you were wrong.

And guess what? You will never admit you were wrong.

Labor had lowest Unemployment in OECD

Don’t blame Swan for that, it had nothing to do with him.

“realpolitik” OR, how malcayman bullies to hide his destruction of Australia’s future

……….despite “having no problems” with the specific story, he (Belsham) can’t publish it because “the Turnbull camp and my superiors will come down on me like a tonne of bricks”.

https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/21/false-balance-abc-news-boss-directed-journalist-nick-ross-to-target-alps-nbn-plan-for-insurance-against-coalition-attacks/

malcayman has a long history of bullying our public broadcasters, so these claims should come as not surprise. What should come as a surprise is that theirabc buckled to it.

Oz now 5.8!

And it was at 5.8% in 2013 when Rudd lost office and it was at 4.3% when Labor won govt in 2007.

current debt level?

Level of debt doesn’t help your argument that Swan had nothing to do with low unemployment, in fact, it kind of does the opposite.

I’m not denying the level of debt went up. But, is it better to have low debt, and high unemployment, or high debt, and low unemployment.

But what about a high debt level, with an accompanying high level of unemployment? It is now 5.8 (if you can believe the numbers even the ones doing them tell us is a guess) Hows that debt? The one that would have been cleared if Labors policies had remained.

It is now 5.8

And that is what Labor left us with in 2013.

In 2007 it was 4.3%. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard

Had we followed the Liberal “tighten the belt” philosophy we would be challenging Greece for it economic place in the OECD right now …

Had we had Costello during the GFC unemployment would be below 5% and our budget would be in much better shape.

And we would not have locked up 2,000 kids like you did.

from what l can see, my friends of my abc are still `dormant` on the ross/nbn issue

They all are, even the Guardian

The smaller ones (those not permitted to join the Press Gallery) have taken it up. But that’s about it

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/turnbulls-media-censorship-and-his-nbn-mess,8600

They’ll do the ashbygate treatment by the looks. Leave it until the NoBN is beyond repair, and then put some dribs out.

I thought that maybe murdor would go the attack on ross, but they seem to be playing the ‘son’t look, don’t see” reportage tactic.

As some have posited, the abc have been exposed to have actively helped get this grubmint elected, along with murdor and farfacts

A totally beholded msm, who have led the country by the nose. Pitchfork time?

He didn’t see the “tsunami” until it was way too late

He didn’t see the “tsunami” at all TB, he thought it was China that was going to implode. Which, is even scarier, as he had banked everything on them growing.

Tip Custard only had to count the money as it was raked in

Has it ever crossed you mind that it was wise spending and good management that lead to Costello success?

He didn’t see the “tsunami” until it was way too late

Swan was preparing his May 2008 budget (his first) and did not see the GFC coming only a few months away. His budget was a budget to fight inflation.

Your comments just further emphasize your deceitfulness.

Here’s the April 2013 #NBN article

A few years too late AO.

Imagine what an electorate informed with accurate articles might have voted like in 2013? #NBN #Gonski #CarbonPrice #TaxRorts

Costello was not in power when the GFC happened.

Thank fuck for that. Speaking of which, yommy hasn’t come back with an explanation yet? Surprisement much?

Thank fuck for that

Why? Unemployment and debt would be lower if Howard won in 2007.

You should be like TB and go back and work out ways to lock up 2,000 kids.

Everything you people do destroys the lives of people

maybe the others have figured out what a fkn mess Abbott & Turnbull have made of country …

Get stuffed you immoral piece of filth. The economic numbers have not changed since 2013. unemployment is the same (5.8%) and the budget deficit is smaller.

600,000 souls lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard. 2,000 kids were locked up. Debt exploded. Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% in no time flat. Rudd/Gillard were an economic disaster

so Tb mocks 600,000 souls who lost their jobs because he voted for Rudd in 2007. Says what i always knew about TB

latham is a misogynist, therefore, yabot isn’t

Hard to argue against that sound reasoning 😯

The second NM article is up.

https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/22/false-balance-abc-coverage-of-the-nbn-since-september-2013/

This begs the question: how has the ABC covered the NBN since the election of the Coalition?

But after a close reading of much of the ABC’s coverage, what emerges is a pattern of relatively positive coverage of the Malcolm Turnbull’s policy agenda. In covering the NBN, the ABC has tended to make a relatively critical assessment of the NBN under Labor, and, in contrast, a relatively benign assessment of the progress of the NBN under the Coalition.

Everyone hates Shorten. Mr 19% for good reason.

And how much would it cost to build FTTP? Is the extra price worth the supposed speed increase?

Labor supporters say yes.

#nope it the teabag mangled mess, (no node, no copper in rudds-rollout, 100%-fiber)

Why should anybody believe anything Labor says? This was their 2007 election policy

Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years in partnership with the private sector. In the 19th century, nation builders laid out the railway network. In the 21st century, nation builders are laying out high speed broadband networks.

It went nowhere. NBN1 was a lie. Now we have Labors NBN 2. The current policy was thought up by Conroy/Rudd on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight from Sydney to Brisbane.

And we are stuck with it because Labor signed unbreakable contracts

so which teabag site/s did you copy`n paste that clap-trap from (yesl can tell it`s not your own words), l see you didn`t have the nads to include the link/url

It was the 2007 ALP election policy which fooled all of Australia. A lie to win an election. Also you could have done a cut and paste and done a google search

can`t see video/youtube/audio, it`s stripped-out of my computer, permanently

Why? Just copy and paste this

Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling.

Youtube link = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW2eK3sk7tE

It was the biggest lie to win an election. Broadband costing only $4.7B and be finished by 2013

l see you didn`t have the nads to include the link/url

I didn’t think i needed the “nads” because the words were spoken by Kevin Rudd and was the official policy the ALP took to the 2007 election.

#considering the nbn, deliberately sabotaged, and by who.

This was the sabotage.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/210894/government_kills_opel_broadband_network/

The federal government has terminated the funding for the OPEL broadband network.

OPEL, a joint venture between Optus and Elders, was to have been allocated $958 million for the construction of a rural and regional broadband network under a deal by the Howard government.

After Rudd won the 2007 they broke signed contracts to deliver broadband to rural areas

Milkum got the job to fool us

Rudd/Gillard were the biggest deceivers who deceived people who enjoy being deceived. The economic numbers in 2007 were the best for a generation.

Rudd promised broadband to only cost $4.7B and be finished by 2013. It was thrown in the bin because they could not find anybody to build it.

They then went and locked up more people than anybody in Australian history. Most probably will only be beaten by the next Labor govt.

No constructive discussion about

Of course not, all we are allowed to discuss is the GST, which of course, is all that is on the table, but, isn’t happening (except when it is) 😉 😉

The prominent conservative senator Eric Abetz says every Coalition MP will be free to decide how to cast their parliamentary vote on same-sex marriage, contradicting the prime minister and, according to the marriage equality lobby, rendering the promised $160m national plebiscite pointless.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/27/eric-abetz-coalition-mps-will-not-be-bound-by-plebiscite-on-marriage-equality

So, more snake oil from a habitual snake oil salesman. Will turnbull “make a stand”

He hasn’t so far, on anything from the republican debate to GST to industrial relations. It is all as it was, nothing has changed, except the rhetoric. Do you recall when Gillard “knifed” rudd, and the almost immediate calls for her to show her worth? And when she did, they called for more. Not with malcayman from our press gallery, who are so overwhelmed that he replaced that last tosser they helped get elected, are willing to let him drift along with meaningless words and asking his own questions.

Tony Abbott’s decision to stay may finally force Turnbull to take a stand

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/25/tony-abbotts-decision-to-stay-may-finally-force-turnbull-to-take-a-stand

Sorry mstaylor, but he is a leader, and threats from his own side forcing him to “make a stand” isn’t leadership, it’s desperation.

And, while I’m at it, why has no major media outlet mention the Nick Ross. Like ashbygate, this is a massive story being deliberately shunnned by our media. They are simply reinforcing Ross’s story.

The ABC is primarily at fault here for forgetting that its charter calls for balanced treatment of a subject. That can be achieved when one is dealing with myriad topics. But when it comes to technology, there is often black and white, and not so many shades of grey.

In other words, Belsham was asking Ross to write something that concluded that FttN was the more suitable option for the country!

http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/71187-nbn-abc-is-in-a-mess-of-its-own-making