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Churches join forces to block deportation of asylum seekers

February 4, 2016

 

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A number of churches have taken the extraordinary step of offering sanctuary to asylum seekers facing deportation in the wake of a High Court verdict – raising the prospect of police raids on places of worship and possible charges for clergy.

Ten Anglican churches and cathedrals have invoked the ancient Christian tradition to offer protection to the 267 people – including 37 babies – facing imminent transfer to Nauru after the court on Wednesday upheld the legality of the government’s offshore processing regime.

The movement is being led by the Anglican Dean of Brisbane, Dr Peter Catt, who has declared his St John’s Anglican Cathedral a place of sanctuary.

Dr Catt said if any asylum seekers sought sanctuary in his church he would do his best to keep the authorities out. He said he fully accepts that he and other clergy could be charged with obstruction and potentially even face possible jail time.

“We are aware it’s a high-risk strategy,” he said.

Dr Catt called it an extraordinary step that would attract the attention of church communities around the world.

Sanctuary is a historical concept and Dr Catt said he would happily risk being prosecuted for offering it.

“Sanctuary was a concept that was certainly alive in the Middle Ages when people could go to a church, and particularly to a cathedral, and claim sanctuary and the church authorities could really grant them safety against the civic authorities,” he said.

“It was a way of saying I’m entering into God’s territory, away from the civic authorities that are oppressing me, and the oppressors generally accepted that the church could offer sanctuary to people.”

Dr Catt said the concept of sanctuary had never been tested under Australian law.

“But my hunch is that if the authorities chose to enter the church and take people away, it would probably be a legal action,” he said.

“So this is really a moral stand and it wouldn’t be a good look, I don’t think, for someone to enter a church and to drag people away.”

The Australian Churches Refugee Taskforce said the offers of help were coming from across Australia.

Taskforce executive director Misha Coleman said logistically it would be a challenge for the asylum seekers to get to the sanctuaries.

“But if they do, the relevant priest or vicar will manage that situation in a very sort of confidential way,” Ms Coleman said.

“This is a hugely significant action for any Australian church to take. Historically churches have afforded sanctuary to those seeking refuge from brutal and oppressive forces,” Dr Catt said on Thursday.

“We offer this refuge because there is irrefutable evidence from health and legal experts that the circumstances asylum seekers, especially children, would face if sent back to Nauru are tantamount to state-sanctioned abuse.

“This fundamentally goes against our faith, so our church community is compelled to act, despite the possibility of individual penalty against us.”

Other cathedrals and churches offering sanctuary include Pitt Street Uniting Church, Gosford Anglican Church and the Wayside Chapel in NSW, St George­’s Anglican Cathedral, St Cuthbert’s Anglican Church and Wesley Uniting Church in Perth, Pilgrim Uniting Church in ­Adelaide, St David’s Anglican Cathedral in Hobart and Christchurch Anglican Cathedral in Darwin.

Dr Catt called it a “fledgling movement”.

“What we expect to happen in the course of the day and the next few days is that many churches from many denominations will sign up,” he said.

The sanctuary offer came as the United Nations urged Australia to put the interests of children first.

The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child believes Australia has an inadequate understanding of the rights of asylum seeker children.

“This decision by the High Court greatly concerns us as these children and their families face a great risk in being sent to a place that cannot be considered safe nor adequate,” said committee chair Benyam Mezmur.

 

 

 

 

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  1. February 4, 2016 9:37 am

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  2. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2016 9:59 am

    An in depth (too in depth for this time of morning) examination of the court case.

    http://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/opinionsonhigh/2016/02/03/plaintiff-m68-2015-case-page/

  3. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:09 am

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:16 am

    “We are aware it’s a high-risk publicity strategy,”

    When churchmen cease to believe in God they become political activists.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:25 am

    I hope the tide turns against our treatment of asylum seekers. The cost to taxpayers in provision of cruel, sadistic deprivations of human needs is so great alone that the current off shoring should be stopped.

    I have to take exception with your comment re greens tomr. You say they also haven’t done much re current regional solution policy.
    The greens have never agreed with our barbaric detention centres where we want them to be so cruelly treated and so maimed that they will go anywhere else or die. They have been the only party consistently saying it is inhumane, expensive and lacking compassion. They say there should be a genuine agreed upon, regional solution and safe assessment centres run by UNHRC.

  6. February 4, 2016 10:59 am

    What a mindless comment from Bernard Keane.

    On another note, this really puts those catholic right wing nutjobs (as well as the Happy Clappy Hillsong freaks) that inhabit the ranks of both major parties in a bind.

    I note that blib squibbed on the opportunity to challenge Talcum over this issue in QT yesterday.

  7. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2016 11:07 am

    What a mindless comment from Bernard Keane.

    trudat

    They say there should be a genuine agreed upon, regional solution and safe assessment centres run by UNHRC.

    Except they voted against such a centre that was backed BY the UNHRC

    I note that blib squibbed on the opportunity to challenge Talcum over this issue in QT yesterday.

    Yes, Labor have totally vacated the field on this issue

  8. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2016 11:08 am

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 11:27 am

    F**KING RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS!

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 11:53 am

    What can I say …

    I did chuckle at this tho’ …

    When churchmen cease to believe in God they become political activists.

    I’ve got some really ugly news for you, sb … the churchmen (as you so quaintly express it) have always been political … mainly I suspect ’cause they don’t really believe their is a dog … just a fabulous way to make money, control people and ROB ’em!

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 12:02 pm

    I hope the tide turns against our treatment of asylum seekers. The cost to taxpayers in provision of cruel, sadistic deprivations of human needs is so great alone that the current off shoring should be stopped.

    And what should we do. Let everybody who wants to come in?

    Fact is we had this problem solved under Howard. WE stop the boats and take our asylum seekers from UNHCR camps.

    I have yet to see anybody say we should be taking all 20 million refugees but that is what you appear to be saying

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 12:50 pm

    How many catlyk churches are offering sanctuary?

    After all sanctuary for the dispossessed was their idea originally … they even took on the possessed!

  13. February 4, 2016 1:00 pm

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  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 1:01 pm

    After all sanctuary for the dispossessed

    Are they dispossessed? Raza Barati, the guy who was murdered on Manus Island came here for a better life

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/someones-son-someones-brother-reza-barati-an-architect-who-had-hopes-for-a-better-life-20140228-33r4n.html

    Mr Barati had graduated as an architect, but like more than 20 per cent of his countrymen, he had been unable to find work in Iran’s sanction-strapped economy, the brother-in-law said. He had set out for Australia hoping to further his architectural studies.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 1:41 pm

    Yeah TB!!

    It’s only the really nice version of religious nutjobs that offer sanctuary, because probably those moooslems haven’t either.

  16. February 4, 2016 2:04 pm

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  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 2:16 pm

    What would a truly regional asylum arrangement look like?

    Remember the Sudanese refugees we took under Howard? So under your regional solution Sudanese refugees have to make it to some regional center set up by who knows who. Forget about it.

    Why don;t you lefties admit you do nothing but destroy the lives of people with your immoral and incorrect beliefs

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 3:17 pm

    Yeah TB!!

    It’s only the really nice version of religious nutjobs that offer sanctuary, because probably those moooslems haven’t either.

    There are “noice” religious nutjobs? I didn’t know that …

    We’re talking “churchmen” here (men – get it yet?) … that’s ALL churches.

    Although mosques aren’t technically churches (ie they’re not krystian) … they operate under very familiar fairy tales …

    … and I’ve mentioned before that the crescent is not often seen around natural and man made disasters compared to the good ‘ole cross … but that’s another story …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Or maybe that’s all crap. It matters because whatever it is, we’re building our asylum-seeker policy on it. That has been true for years now. Perhaps you’ve noticed how often when controversy arrives, say in the form of some act of abuse in these detention centres, these things become matters for Nauru.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/nauru-detention-centre-clock-ticks-on-our-addiction-to-fictions-of-asylumseeker-policy-20160203-gml6or.html#ixzz3zAY10Smc
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    What we are doing is what we have done for centuries deny people freedom to live their own lives without restriction … by a few who “know best” …

    Will our grandkids’ and great-grandkids be saying sorry for what our generation has done …

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    I don’t want the NBN if this is the sort of shite that’s stuck inside it!

    Why don;t you lefties admit you do nothing but destroy the lives of people with your immoral and incorrect beliefs

    You sad, ignorant, little loser …

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 3:33 pm

    You sad, ignorant, little loser …

    Well here are some problems the Europeans are facing

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union

    CHILD brides as young as 12 have been ordered to stay with the men they were forced to marry after European officials agreed to recognise the partnerships…….Dutch asylum centres are reportedly housing 20 child brides aged between 13 and 15, while three a week on average are arriving to the country…..But some have slammed the recognition by Dutch authorities, claiming it condones paedophilia because the age of sexual consent in the Netherlands is 16.

    Outraged Dutch Labour MP Attje Kuiken said: “A 12-year-old girl with a 40-year-old man – that is not a marriage, that is abuse.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 4:39 pm

    Holland also has some very different coffee houses to Australia

    Who brought Holland up? I certainly didn’t … nor do I run the government … of either major party … I might even do a better job … given half a chance!

  21. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 4:44 pm

    What we are doing is what we have done for centuries deny people freedom to live their own lives without restriction

    You obviously do no know what is going on. There is large scale people movement from poorer countries to wealthy countries. People seeking a better life.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 4:55 pm

    I’m inclined to agree. People that seek to live in a new country should respect and observe the child protection laws of that country. The government should enforce them regardless of race or culture.

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 4:57 pm

    I didn’t know that …

    Well TB, you certainly have it in for one variety/sect more than the others.

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 5:18 pm

    Breitbart: Fears Rise Over Child Bride Epidemic As Young Girls Go Missing In Europe
    BBC: Migrant crisis: Dutch alarm over child brides from Syria
    Die Welt: Die Welt, Wenn die 14-jährige Ehefrau Asyl beantragt

    I think they are genuine concerns and hard to read about. I doubt the children enter into those marriages willingly. They must be protected from the male predators and manipulators. Calling it customary practice doesn’t make it any less abusive or OK in my eyes.

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 5:20 pm

    It might as well be a slave trade, owning young girls for life, robbing them of any adolescence or self determination.

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 5:38 pm

    I see that they have amended the laws to ensure a legal age of 18.

    I don’t know how much media exaggeration is at play, but rather than a big fear campaign on cultural differences, this should be managed the same way any other immigration – through education, monitoring and upholding the laws. I believe the girls should be protected from their own families and ‘husbands’ if necessary, perhaps through some type of fostering by families who have been in the country for some years and won’t allow the girls to be sold off.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 5:48 pm

    You obviously do no know what is going on. There is large scale people movement from poorer countries to wealthy countries. People seeking a better life.

    Well, we’d all have a better life if most of the money wasn’t going to the 1% of the world’s wealthiest wouldn’t we? Perhaps some people need to pay their dues? Pay their fair share as the song goes. Especially the corporations and governments who have been profiteering and meddling in those poorer countries.

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 6:12 pm

    Turnbull is now completely owned and compromised by the conservative deniers and bigots, he will gamble his political capital and perhaps it might be gone before the next election. Why replace abbott if the shitty policies remain, if we’re still stuck in the 1950’s?

    mighty strong words there bill.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 7:30 pm

    It was today revealed that the work was set to shrink as the national scientific flagship switches resources to income-producing projects.

    And more than 100 jobs could go from the oceans and atmosphere division alone.

    The in-house decision will reflect badly on Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s repeated commitment to funding of climate change research.

    Other areas at the CSIRO will also face reductions and some 350 jobs could go over two years.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/turnbull-governments-new-priorities-for-research-lead-to-cuts-in-climate-change-research/news-story/ac3062d6a6812623d08a0d42d7cf7e7a?sv=d98d45856754b24f0c9874437555315c

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED … thank you Mr TurnAbbull !

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well TB, you certainly have it in for one variety/sect more than the others.

    That’s only your “personal perspective”, ToM (I’m not sure whether you are feeling over exposed or left out – I suspect the former – based upon sheer statistics) …

    … ahh, statistics … we are exposed to the catliks far more than any other religious wankers in Australia and they disrupt our lives far more than any other religious wankers … therefore they have more exposure than other religious wankers … and are subsequently targeted as religious wankers – despite what yer mum and dad told you …

    But don’t be fooled, I seriously dislike and find constant amazement and disgust at organised religion and its attendant hypocrisy … of all creeds, colours and cultures … to keep people poor, sick, and “in their place” …

    Organised religion continues to depress advancement of the human race to the extent that wars are still fought over ignorant mind sets of ideology (ie hairy, fairy tales) … generally generated by egotistical men supported by mindless women …

    But don’t worry if you have a religious body other than catliks you want me to comment about, I’ll happily point out the their nonsense for you … and its effect on ordinary Australians 🙂

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 7:34 pm

    Sneaky fred, sreb … cleverly seductive …

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 8:27 pm

    we are exposed to the catliks far more than any other religious

    Really, Queen Elizabeth is a catholic? Malcolm Turnbull? All those “robber barons”? The boards of banks are catholics?

    …still Bill Shorten is… and clearly he wields soooo much power and gets all that exposure…

    Just like Kerry O’Brien and Paul Bongiorno, and those guys are a really, really bad influence.

  32. February 4, 2016 8:43 pm

    in our off-shore gulags a child gets molested every 13-days, with the current situation among dog-clubs, l`m not certain that dog-club `sanctuary` is going to be an improvement

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 8:45 pm

    Well, we’d all have a better life if most of the money wasn’t going to the 1% of the world’s wealthiest wouldn’t we?

    I think us 24 million Australians are amongst the 1%. Even the poorest person in Australia is better off than a large chunk of the human race. If you have access to a toilet which flushes you have something that a large number of people do not have.

  34. February 4, 2016 8:56 pm

    teabag,,,,,,you certainly have it in for one variety/sect more,,,,,,

    #everybody else knows the planet is `round` except you and your flat-earth cat-lick mates

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2016 9:21 pm

    Really, Queen Elizabeth is a catholic? Malcolm Turnbull? All those “robber barons”? The boards of banks are catholics?
    b
    …still Bill Shorten is… and clearly he wields soooo much power and gets all that exposure…

    Just like Kerry O’Brien and Paul Bongiorno, and those guys are a really, really bad influence.
    .

    You really don’t get it do you … but you are obviously a believer!

    If you are … practice what you preach!

    So which god do you believe … the jewish version, Hashem, with a sick sense of humour … I would certainly never take a knife to my son to prove my “faith” …

    or the Islamic version … that wants to destroy the world so you can get to heaven … for Allah, the true god …

    or the christian version … just God that just is so pious it send preachers all over the world to fuck it up … creates liars, cheats and thieves and just to prove how bad everyone is … let’s ’em murder his son …

    So Hashem, Allah, God (’cause it IS the same god) … sets christian against jew and moslem against … well, anyone …

    Can’t you see a stupidity beyond just “believing” what you’re brainwashed here?

    I woke up to the BS when I was 8-9 yo … no-one could answer my questions then! But boy did I get a hard time!

    ====================================================

    If you have access to a toilet which flushes you have something that a large number of people do not have.

    fkn unbelieveable! That makes you one of the wealthy 1% that owns 50+% of the worlds wealth!!!

    The twisted logic is fkn astounding!

    Thick as two planks is generous …

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 9:47 pm

    Abbott, Loughnane & Credlin, a trio of catholics who sought to control australia!

    Tony Abbott betrayed our friendship, says Philip Higginson:
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/tony-abbott-betrayed-our-friendship-says-philip-higginson-20160120-gm9ums

    …Tony Abbott, when he was prime minister, demanded the resignation of the treasurer of the Liberal Party, Philip Higginson, when tried to obtain detailed financial information about the party’s accounts because of concerns about possible accounting irregularities.

    Mr Higginson, a former chairman of TransGrid, a big NSW electricity distributor, was so worried about problems in the accounts that he threatened to commission a full forensic audit, an explosive step that could have plunged the government into crisis.

    At a showdown in the prime minister’s Sydney office on December 19, 2014, Mr Abbott urged Mr Higginson to stop digging into the accounts and asked him to resign as the party’s treasurer, an unpaid position…

    …He submitted a list of questions to Mr Loughnane about major expenses, fringe benefits, staff expenses, income tax bills, GST and other income. He wanted details of Loughnane’s remuneration.

    Mr Higginson wanted to find out if there were any phantom employees on the payroll, which is a common way to steal money from an organisation. To his dismay, Mr Loughnane wouldn’t provide him with the extra information about the party’s 2013-14 accounts, which covered the Coalition’s victorious federal election campaign…

    …He says he now wishes he had ordered a forensic examination.

    “I regret to this day not having chosen that course of action,” Mr Higginson says in Credlin & Co…

    …”It took me four months to get the answers I wanted from Brian Loughnane. The questions could have been answered in less than two days’ accounting effort. What caused the unholy delay?”…

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:19 pm

    But TB, which of them catliks are robber barons?

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:38 pm

    Matt Barrie’s tirade against Sydney’s night-time lockout laws touches a raw nerve:
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/matt-barries-tirade-against-sydneys-nighttime-regulations-goes-viral-20160203-gmlab1.html#ixzz3zCIVabdm

    …”No matter what happens, the city has turned into Detroit. Even if they dropped the laws, the damage has been done. This is what happens when a state gets taken over by a cabal of zealots whose only policy is religious ideology.”…

  39. February 4, 2016 10:40 pm

    TB,,,,,,but you are obviously a believer!,,,,,,

    #there is a sky fairy fluttering around inside the tinfoil cubicle

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2016 10:41 pm

    I think TB has lost it. Just unintelligent hatred against people he does not like.

    AO is similar. She cannot stop talking about Abbott.

    fkn unbelieveable! That makes you one of the wealthy 1% that owns 50+% of the worlds wealth!!!

    Yep. If you have access to a toilet which flushes you are wealthy.

  41. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 8:38 am

    Just unintelligent hatred against people he does not like.

    ROFL

    Meanwhile, turnbull will defeat turnbull, his own sense of self entitlement will win out.

    Will the media run a protection racket for him again like they did over the caymans?

    Another of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s investments is under scrutiny, with revelations he has a financial stake in the global parent company of the scandal-plagued 7-Eleven empire.

    ………………
    “He has not uttered a single word of support for these workers and people have been legitimately asking why?” said Lisa Chesters, the chair of Labor’s Fair Work Caucus Committee.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbulls-financial-stake-in-7eleven-under-scrutiny-20160204-gmlikw.html#ixzz3zEl8vrEG
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    That question cuts to the core of it, just as with his continuing protection of tax havens.

  42. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 9:18 am

    Looks like the libs are flailing around with taxes, the gst “scare” campaign seems to working, so, their solution, hit those worst of worst in other ways

  43. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 9:27 am

    Meanwhile, turnbull will defeat turnbull

    Is it bad form to quote yourself? Anyways. it appears that the person leaking against malcayman has been busted 🙂

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2016 9:36 am

    TurnAboutbull … seems to be getting in deeper and deeper …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But TB, which of them catliks are robber barons?

    Seems I’ve got my own personal troll too! 😀

  45. February 5, 2016 10:59 am

    “”Just unintelligent hatred against people he does not like.””

    PRICELESS! 🙂

  46. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 12:04 pm

    PRICELESS!

    LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😉

    but his mates have a revenue problem. Not enough of ours in their pockets 😉

  47. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 12:07 pm

    It shows the character of this Government that it views consumer protections and a minimum wage for Commonwealth Cleaners as “red tape”.

    http://www.tonyburke.com.au/the_war_on_punctuation_is_over

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2016 1:16 pm

    The movement is being led by the Anglican Dean of Brisbane, Dr Peter Catt, who has declared his St John’s Anglican Cathedral a place of sanctuary

    Where was this deadshit when Labor was locking up 2,000 kids?

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2016 1:31 pm

    Wicks is such a great judge of character, he’s persuaded me!

  50. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:08 pm

    he’s persuaded me!

    So, you’re persuaded by somebody called “MadWixxy” over the simple fact that malcayman purposely invests in these companies, and then refuses to do anything about them when they are caught red handed ripping off workers?

    It’s your call I guess 😉

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:16 pm

    Tom R and Peter Wicks have never been seen together.

  52. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:19 pm

    Tom R and Splatterbottom have never been seen together.

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:28 pm

    malcayman continues yabots fine work of trashing science and specifically climate science

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:38 pm

    I’m pretty sure you are the spitting image of my avatar, Tom R!

  55. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 2:55 pm

    I’m pretty sure you are the spitting image of my avatar

    Are you saying my arse looks like your face?

  56. February 5, 2016 2:58 pm

    😆 😆 😆

  57. Walrus permalink
    February 5, 2016 4:22 pm

    “Tom R and Peter Wicks have never been seen together.”

    Sorry but yes they have

    At birth they shared a brain but were later separated successfully

  58. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 5:28 pm

  59. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2016 6:13 pm

    #PinkFloyd “Set The Controls For the Heart of the Bum”

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2016 7:52 pm

    And I came here today to be enlightened … 😉

    Noice to see the Walrus drape himself here too … I do so 2 miss U Wally!

    Will the peasants finally see that Milkum TurnAbbottbull has no clothes … ?

    Nothing changes … nothing is new …

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2016 8:00 pm

    And isn’t Dr David Cousins CEO of 7 11 a smarmy little smurf!

    Reminds me of smiley Milkum TurnAbbull …

    When will this Liberal farce END!

    A Royal Commission on unions … who actually found this fraud … and the government assists the fraudsters and crucifies the unions …

    Can people not SEE the pattern here?

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2016 8:09 pm

    Yeah let’s get rid of unions they just intimidate employers … GMAFB!

    Franchisees are still taking 7-Eleven workers to ATMs to withdraw and pay back wages, and some have resorted to violence and intimidation to deter underpayment claims, a Senate committee has heard.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/05/7-eleven-workers-beaten-and-forced-to-pay-back-wages-senate-inquiry-hears

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2016 12:56 am

  64. February 6, 2016 10:17 am

    I see cardinal Pell is too ill to fly first class from Rome to Melbourne on an Emirates A380 private suite.

    My heart bleeds.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2016 10:25 am

    Well, we’ve always known Pell is a sick bastard … what’s new?

    Bet he flies off to some place this year AFTER the RC closes (will it ever?) .

    Still telling lies and practicing deceit …

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2016 12:45 pm

    I hope they are monitoring Pell’s movements outside the protection of the Vatican. Perhaps it can be observed whenever he visits Australia or elsewhere in the globe, seemingly quite well.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2016 9:26 pm

    I told you, it’s coming! 😉

    Revolution Is Coming’: Glenn Beck Warns That Journalists Will Soon Be Murdered In The Streets
    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/revolution-coming-glenn-beck-warns-journalists-will-soon-be-murdered-streets#sthash.fim2bp43.dpuf

    “You people in the press had better pay attention,” he stated, “because a revolution is coming and people are going to be so angry at what’s going on and so angry at the press that they will pull you out of your seats in your own studios and kill you in the streets. We are getting very close to that.” …

  68. February 9, 2016 2:42 pm

    ao,,,,,,I told you, it`s coming! ;),,,,,,

    #so now you`re hitching your `el-revolucion` trolley to hysteric, white, screeching teabags, that`s nice:-)

    (it needs to start in moonee ponds, but they`re too thick)

    +++

    tweet,,,,,,Talking to a long serving QLD cop today. .. .. He said @PeterDutton_MP was considered an incompetent idiot when he was in the police force.,,,,,

    #tragically, it made him the `perfect-fit` for the zombie-herd of canberra teabags

    +++

    reb,,,,,,Pell is too ill to fly first class from Rome to Melbourne on an Emirates,,,,,,

    #yes, and he`ll have a `miraculous` healing soon after inquiry and be able to jetset anywhere he wants. Praise the dog!

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2016 3:17 pm

    TB you seem increasingly bitter. Who exactly is advocating the end of unions?

    If unions focused on areas of genuine hardship (such as 7-11) they would have respect and relevance

  70. Tom R permalink
    February 9, 2016 3:27 pm

    Who exactly is advocating the end of unions?

    Wait …. What?

    😯

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 4:08 pm

    TB you seem increasingly bitter. Who exactly is advocating the end of unions?

    ToM, you seem to be increasingly naïve and assumptive … facts make people bitter now … have you cloistered yourself away for the last century … and who says unions don’t have respect and relevance … ?

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2016 4:15 pm

    Unions have 11% of the private sector workforce, that includes all highly unionised privatised government agencies.

    On any measure to achieve 11% of your target market is pretty close to irrelevant.

    So TB name the organisation(s) that advocate the end of unions.

  73. February 9, 2016 4:32 pm

    teabag,,,,,,Who exactly is advocating the end of unions?,,,,,,

    #it seems you do, every chance you get, you `infer` it, continuously

  74. February 9, 2016 4:34 pm

    “”So TB name the organisation(s) that advocate the end of unions.””

  75. February 9, 2016 4:35 pm

    teabag,,,,,to achieve 11% of your target market is pretty close to irrelevant,,,,,

    #continuous bleating `of-those` 11% also makes your bleating rather irrelevant too

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2016 5:03 pm

    I quite like that… http://www.sena-international.be/website_images/tom_logo.png

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2016 5:06 pm

    What a dud day… in Brisbane… overnight too.

    Maybe I’ll hit the high spots, like……. and ….er, um… are there any high spots in this oversized backwater?

  78. Walrus permalink
    February 9, 2016 5:14 pm

    “….er, um… are there any high spots in this oversized backwater?”

    Southbank is not too bad if you like Pubs on artificial beaches

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 5:17 pm

    And you reckon I sound bitter? LOL! 😀

    So TB name the organisation(s) that advocate the end of unions.

    The Liberal Party of Australia and all affiliates organisations that donate or support it …

    Raid the mini bar and sort the shite out yourself …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/interactives/tables/aec-political-donations-table/

    I’d invite you here for a wine but, methinks, t’wouldn’t be good enough for a Mexican …

    BTW I only visit the CBD in extreme circumstances! Best of luck! 🙂

  80. February 9, 2016 6:00 pm

    “”Maybe I’ll hit the high spots, like……. and ….””

    I once heard that they had a “Chinese” “Restaurant” selling exotic dishes such as “lemon chicken” and “mongolian lamb” but I think it was considered “too exotic” for “local tastes…”

  81. February 9, 2016 6:42 pm

    but I think it was considered “too exotic” for “local tastes…”

    😀

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2016 7:16 pm

    All you can eat prawns or a grilled burger?

  83. February 9, 2016 7:31 pm

    guardian,,,,,,Siobhan Hennessy, from Deloitte, who works for the panel,

    told the committee an international student was beaten by a franchisee

    while making an underpayment claim. When he went to the

    police, he was told it was a matter between him and his employer.,,,,,

    NO SIGN OF CMFU2 HERE TEABAG

    #all the `violence` in the 7-11 wreckage is flowing from biz onto worker, where is your onion-panic now boo-melb

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 8:10 pm

    Whoo! All the Mexican kiddies playing in the mud together … you need to get out more …

    Try the “salt ‘n’ pepper pork” … 😀

    I’ll look you all up if I venture over the border this year … 🙂

    I know where you live!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 8:17 pm

    NO SIGN OF CMFU2 HERE TEABAG

    And strangely enough the representatives of ONLY 11% of workers in unions still help those workers who are being crucified, cheated and robbed … by unscrupulous businesses and organisations that support the Liberal Party … no I can’t see 7-Eleven on the list … but do they donate??

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 8:33 pm

    I wouldn’t be bothered about unions if I was a tory …

    A THIRD Turnbull minister is now at risk of being ousted following a Labor interrogation in Parliament on Tuesday.

    Liberal MP Stuart Robert, target of Labor claims of misuse of office, twice declined to reveal whether he logged a trip to China as “private” travel.

    Mr Robert was asked how he filled in the section off the standard departing passenger card that asks, “Main reason for overseas travel.”

    He declined to answer. Mr Robert, Minister for Human Resources, is confident he has not acted inappropriately.

    Labor was pressing Mr Robert in Parliament over an August, 2014 trip he made to Beijing with a major Liberal Party donor and mining investor Paul Marks of Nimrod Resources.

    The Opposition is charging it appears Mr Robert was using his then office of Assistant Defence Minister to endorse a deal between Nimrod — in which he had shares — and the state-owned Chinese outfit Minmetals.

    On its website the Chinese company feted Mr Robert under his ministerial title, he presented a medal to a Chinese official, and was prominent during the formal settlement of the business deal.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/turnbull-minister-stalls-on-whether-he-went-to-beijing-for-mates-business-venture-or-for-leisure/news-story/286ef1d4beec175643d28f1be8ecb646

    And what a decision maker Milkum TurnAbbout has become …

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has referred the matter to the head of the Department off Primer Minister and Cabinet Martin Parkinson for investigation.

    Mr Turnbull has told Parliament Mr Robert had been given approval for a private trip by the office of former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

    So whose (still) running MY country then?

    That’s cynicism not bitterness … I enjoy my life too much to be bitter, ToM … its not even a word I use (as you seem to do) … whoo … but I do like you! 🙂

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 9, 2016 9:16 pm

    Liberal MP Stuart Robert, target of Labor claims of misuse of office, twice declined to reveal whether he logged a trip to China as “private” travel.

    I will admit this looks suspect and the guy may have to resign by the end of the week but i suspect politicians on both sides of politics may do things like Robert did. However i am not up on the full story.

    But i do remember both Rudd and Joel Fitzgibbon received free trips from Chinese and Twainese businessmen. Fitzgibbon got his free trips when he was defence minister and it is unlikely the businessmen gave the money expecting nothing in return.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2016 10:11 pm

    … it is unlikely the businessmen gave the money expecting nothing in return.

  89. February 9, 2016 10:25 pm

    zombie,,,,,and it is unlikely the businessmen gave the money expecting nothing in return,,,,,

    #try harder dim-wit

  90. February 10, 2016 8:50 am

    “”I know where you live!””

    Yeah and we know how you dress, so you should be easy to spot in the crowd…

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2016 10:57 am

    Greg Hunt recognised as the best minister in the world!!

    Heavens!! Could he be as great as Wayne Swan?

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:04 am

    Chuckle! Rivers have some noice gear, sreb! 🙂

    Its been quite interesting around here on the farm … we pick up our bees for the Flow Hive this afternoon a “nuc” of about 20,000 Italian honey bees …

    … weekend before last we harvested about 3-4 kilos of Muscadillo grapes we have growing over an arch … good for home-made wine said the Google thingy (popular in California said the UTube – apparently) …

    So we lightly rinsed the grapes – to retain the yeast on the skins (that was a surprise) … crushed the grapes (by hand – just enough to split the skins) … let the pulp and juice sit for three days in a stainless steel pot covered with a cloth … heated (just to steam level) sugar and water (according to a recipe we found) … and added to the juice and pulp … let it cool and loaded it into two demijohns with water valves in the bungs …

    … the following morning The Minister checked and the bungs had both popped! Big time! Cleaned up the sticky mess … (had a taste, still sweet of course but – magic!) … removed some of the pulp busily bubbling away (astounding!) … happened the next day too … cleaned up again … took a bit more pulp out … and …

    Both demijohns are now happily bubbling away (bubble a second) and the clarity and colour of the wine is amazing!

    Ready for bottling as soon as the pulp drops to the bottom …

    You’re all invited to the tasting … especially ToM, ToSY and sreb they all sound as if they need some TLC … must be the Mexican weather … but Queensland hospitality is recognised around the world … 🙂

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:05 am

    Greg Hunt recognised as the best minister in the world!!

    By his Mum? Or the local church?

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:08 am

    The World Government Summit, which is meeting in Dubai, was due to present Mr Hunt with the inaugural award in the early hours of Wednesday.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greg-hunt-named-best-minister-in-the-world-20160209-gmpc46.html#ixzz3zidcMkF3
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    So they didn’t set the bar too high the first time around … FFS … what a joke … if that’s the best the world can do what chance does the world have? 😦

  95. February 10, 2016 11:24 am

    “”You’re all invited to the tasting “”

    Thanks. But given what passes for “wine” in the TB household I might give it a miss…. 🙄

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:50 am

    So-o-o-o-o–o predictable! I laugh in your face … ah!

    The taste of wine is not liked to $$ value, name nor year nor shape of the bottle but the pleasure it gives to the one who imbibes …

    Ahhh … now I know why altar wine is so bloody awful! And why the parishioners are so miserable! A revelation … !

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:50 am

    Correction:

    The taste of wine is not likened to $$ value

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:56 am

    Five days for a small/light parcel from Victoria to Brisbane by Australia Post … still using bullock drays … how much do they pay the turkey presiding over the mess that was once a great service?

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2016 12:04 pm

    You’re all invited to the tasting …

    Really? It sounds like it would be ideal for the treatment of bronchitis – “this cuts the phlegm off the back of your throat”

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2016 12:29 pm

    …You’re all invited to the tasting … especially ToM, ToSY and sreb they all sound as if they need some TLC … must be the Mexican weather … but Queensland hospitality is recognised around the world … 🙂

    What fantastic hobbies TB!
    Honey bees and wine, sounds wonderful to me.

    Do you think you can get creative with your honey and knock up some face cream for me? I actually pay for a manuka bee venom & honey face cream that I get from NZ.

    Just think of the prospects 😉

    http://nelsonhoney.com/shop/royal-nectar-original-face-mask/

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 12:58 pm

    Thanks, KL … the bees are actually The Minister’s hobby … we buy manuka by the 10kilo locally ($80 a pop!) … oats and honey five for brekkie five days a week …

    Hence the idea of our own … we have an Australian native bee hive but they only produce about 1/2 kilo a year … great for the garden tho’ and lovely to watch … with a noice wine of course … 🙂

    Royal Jelly is supposed to be the bees knees for your purpose as a capsule …

    Manuka is the life saver too applied to wounds and burns …

    You should try it as well ToM … helps brighten your day and creates an aura of happiness … 🙂

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2016 12:59 pm

  103. February 10, 2016 1:06 pm

    Armchair, have you heard of this company? I’m friends with the woman that owns it – “mad Jill”- she’s an absolute scream… 🙂

    http://www.beebeauty.com.au/

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2016 1:06 pm

    You should try it as well ToM … helps brighten your day and creates an aura of happiness…

    yes, try happiness toM!

  105. February 10, 2016 1:07 pm

    “”You should try it as well ToM … helps brighten your day and creates an aura of happiness …””

    Some people are beyond help.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2016 1:17 pm

    …I’m friends with the woman that owns it – “mad Jill”- she’s an absolute scream… 🙂

    No, I didn’t know of it reb, thanks, that looks verrry interesting, i’m having a look. I wonder if she’ll give me a discount cos of you 😉

    I remember being in tassie, going on a winery crawl of the east coast and buying an olive oil based moisturing cream [plus bottles of wine] from an olive farm/winery. I loved that cream, it was like putting liquid silk on my skin!

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2016 1:27 pm

    I’m happy!

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2016 2:11 pm

    Some people are beyond help.

    there’s genius in misery.

    “Though I am often in the depths of misery, there is still calmness, pure harmony and music inside me.”
    ― Vincent van Gogh

    “I do believe God gave me a spark of genius, but he quenched it in misery.”
    ― Edgar Allan Poe

    “Stone me, what a life!”
    ― Tony Hancock

    “I will say nothing against the course of my existence. But at bottom it has been nothing but pain and burden, and I can affirm that during the whole of my 75 years, I have not had four weeks of genuine well-being. It is but the perpetual rolling of a rock that must be raised up again forever.”
    ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 4:00 pm

    Well at least I can relate to Tony Hancock …

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 4:01 pm

    I’m happy!

    You’re just saying that …

  111. February 10, 2016 4:12 pm

    Some people are not happy unless they’re miserable.

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 10, 2016 4:36 pm

    Some people are not happy unless they’re miserable.

    TB of Queensland is not happy because he cannot lock up kids anymore. Labor locked up 8,000 kids under Rudd/Gillard. And Abbott put a stop to it.

    TB like all socialists is a natural totalitarian. He enjoys locking up people but Abbott put a stop to it so TB is unhappy.

  113. Walrus permalink
    February 10, 2016 5:06 pm

    WOW…………that’s quite a segway even by this blog’s standards

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 10, 2016 6:39 pm

    WOW…………that’s quite a segway even by this blog’s standards

    If you are talking about me, i am sick to death of people like TB of Queensland. TomR to.

    In 2006, 25% of cars were made in Australia. In 2013 only 10% of cars were made in Australia

    In 2007 we had 6 boat people in detention. In 2013 we had thousands.

    In 2007 unemployment was 4.3%. In 2013 it was 5.8%

    In 2007 govt debt was zero. In 2013 debt was 10% of GDP and exploding.

    TB of Queensland can get stuffed. His only purpose in life is to destroy the lives of people.

  115. February 10, 2016 6:43 pm

    “Labor locked up 8,000 kids under Rudd/Gillard. And Abbott put a stop to it.”

    So I take it you would support the growing movement to let the 267 asylum seekers stay in Australia as opposed to being sent to Nauru?

  116. February 10, 2016 6:46 pm

    I think you mean segue.

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 10, 2016 7:00 pm

    So I take it you would support the growing movement to let the 267 asylum seekers stay in Australia as opposed to being sent to Nauru?

    Get stuffed. We have been there and done that.

    In an unjust, immoral, dishonest planet Howard got it right. We stop the boats, have a quota system, and take our refugees from UNHCR camps.

    There were only 6 boat people in detention in 2007.

    PS TB of Queensland can only tell me how to destroy the lives of people.

  118. February 10, 2016 7:09 pm

    “Get stuffed. We have been there and done that.”

    So on one hand you bemoan the number of children in detention, yet you support sending more children to an uncertain future there.

    You’re a bit fucked in the head.

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 10, 2016 7:19 pm

    REb

    There would be no children in detention if you did not vote for Rudd in 2007.

  120. February 10, 2016 8:37 pm

    FUCKED. IN. THE. HEAD.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 9:04 pm

    TAX reform has taken centre stage in Australian politics at the moment, and in the background a radical idea is quietly gaining momentum.

    The notion of a universal basic income (UBI) has been around for a long time but has largely remained a political thought bubble in modern societies.

    However as certain countries in western Europe begin exploring the application of such a program, some are calling for the idea to be seriously considered in Australia.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/should-australia-seriously-consider-a-universal-basic-income/news-story/d35635c64bd5f089c92ebba54852bd3d

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So far this year … ToSY, ToM and now Kneel have taken potshots at me out of the blew (fer wally) …

    I must really be doing something right for all this shrillness! Whoo! Hoo!

    Or its just a way of keeping us talking about anything but the disaster we are supposed to call a government …

    It was pointed to me today the odd coincidence that the church has Ministers and the government has Ministers … or is it a coincidence?

    Bugger … look over there!

  122. February 10, 2016 9:45 pm

    “So far this year … ToSY, ToM and now Kneel have taken potshots at me out of the blew”

    You’re obviously a victim of unwarranted microaggressions. You need to be provided a safe space from which to spout your nonsense words of wisdom so nobody can offend your delicate sensibilities.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2016 10:35 pm

    I’m not offended, ToSY, once again you read your own hopeful thoughts into part of my comment … hoping to pounce and bring me down …

    How could I possibly be offended … you took my sentence out of context deliberately to stroke your self esteem … you must read ALL the comment … not just the bit you think you can score with …

    You must have missed this bit …

    “… I must really be doing something right for all this shrillness! Whoo! Hoo! …”

    Offended? Not a bit … amused … absofknlutely!

    As for having delicate sensibilities … you’d be surprised at what you don’t know …

    Do keep trying tho’ … it’s just a matter of time and luck … 🙂

  124. Spencer Gulf Upper permalink
    February 10, 2016 11:23 pm

    …what chance does the world have?

    Can Zombies save the world…?

    Live demonstration from the United States to showcase the importance of behavioural influence

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2016 2:36 am

    In an unjust, immoral, dishonest planet Howard got it right.“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““`No he didn’t, he made it more unjust, immoral and dishonest.
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  126. World Of The Mall permalink
    February 11, 2016 5:45 am

    On learning the news, his wife Paula told him: “You’ve still got to put the bins out.””

  127. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 8:33 am

    You need to be provided a safe space from which to spout your [insert adjective here] 😉

  128. February 11, 2016 8:35 am

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  129. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 8:51 am

    So, when is the knitting thread getting up, that’s MY question?

    “stick the needle in”

  130. February 11, 2016 9:22 am

    [insert adjective here]

    I think you mean noun. 😉

  131. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:33 am

    I think you mean noun.

    I stand corrected

    Of course, that would have been better pointed out on the Pedant thread 😉

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:39 am

    PJ O’Rourke on US presidential candidates:

    what Bernie says may sound like it makes sense during the dorm room bull session, but sooner or later you have to put the bong down and exhale.

    For the rest of America what’s not amusing is Bernie labelling himself a socialist. The word has a particular and peculiar meaning in the US. If you say “I’m a socialist,” what Americans hear is, “I’m going to take your flat-screen TV and give it to a family of pill addicts in the backwoods of Vermont.”

    @@@@

    Jeb Bush is the “Great American Failure Story”. Here’s Jeb with all the Bush influence, all the Bush political connections, all the Bush campaign funding, and he can’t get out of single-digit polling numbers. This would be almost impossible for the son of an oligarchic family anywhere else in the world. Isn’t America a wonderful country?

  133. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:48 am

    but sooner or later you have to put the bong down and exhale.

    That’s a pretty extreme claim, imo 😉

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 11, 2016 10:00 am

    It is a wonderful expression!

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2016 10:52 am

    Recognise Rejected: Historic Meeting Of 500 Black Leaders Unanimously Opposes Constitutional Recognition
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/02/08/recognise-rejected-historic-meeting-500-black-leaders-unanimously-opposes-constitutional-recognition/

    …Recognise has consistently reported that constitutional recognition has strong support across Aboriginal communities, a claim widely rejected by many Aboriginal leaders across the country, but supported by others, including Congress, the nation’s peak Indigenous representative body…

    …Two other motions were also passed at the meeting.

    We demand the state resources a treaty process, including a framework for treaties, with complete collaboration with all Sovereign Peoples and Nations, and treaties are finalised and agreed upon by December 2016.
    Resource an Elders Council of South Eastern Australia, which is comprised of all Sovereign Peoples.
    Both motions recorded one dissenter…

    …“One of the key comments was ‘Why are we discussing self determination and constitutional recognition without having first sorted out the issue of treaties,’” he said…

    How Bernie Sanders’ Grassroots Fundraising Machine Is Defying the 2016 “Billionaire Primary”
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34751-how-bernie-sanders-grassroots-fundraising-machine-is-defying-the-2016-billionaire-primary

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:14 am

    PJ O’Rourke on US presidential candidates:

    He’s lying, bernie doesn’t describe himself as a socialist, that is how his corporate backed competitors describe him [or anyone who tries to curb their influence] in their fear/smear campaign. Anyone who advocates for the public benefit over the corporocracy will always be accused of being a communist in the feral corporate controlled state of the US where extreme, rampant capitalism reigns supreme. Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist – there’s a difference, but conservatives refuse to look past the word socialist.

    Bernie Sanders is no socialist: Socialism is his brand, but he’s a Democrat in every way but name
    https://www.salon.com/2016/01/16/bernie_sanders_is_no_socialist_socialism_is_his_brand_but_hes_a_democrat_in_every_way_but_name/

    …Bernie Sanders is a stubborn man, a fact I kept coming across as I reported and wrote “Why Bernie Sanders Matters,” the unauthorized biography of the Democratic presidential candidate. That trait might explain why he continues to describe himself as a “Democratic Socialist,” even though any mention of the “S-word” turns off many American voters. A recent Gallup poll found that less than half of Americans would vote for a candidate who is a socialist. “Socialist” in an epithet, hurled by conservatives at President Barack Obama to discredit his health care reform efforts…

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:16 am

    Our Defence Force gets 2% increase and loss of certain conditions … and the shiny arses get WHAT!

    Employment department vote on pay offer

    Staff will (sic) at the federal employment department will soon get a chance to vote on a government pay offer, but it will be little different to the one they rejected in December.

    Department secretary Renee Leon conceded the offer – which includes a six per cent pay rise over three years – was “essentially the same” with some clarifications on policies.

    More than 80 per cent of staff voted on the offer, rejecting it 55-45 per cent, she told a Senate estimates hearing on Thursday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/employment-department-vote-on-pay-offer/news-story/a874c49310cee6b2e06ec89d1d8d5b14

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It is a wonderful expression!

    Indeed it is, sb … but I think, TR, meant it literally! 😯

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:23 am

    Australians are angry at our political system too, who elected the CEO’s and the boardrooms? It is these people who run the country in their own interests, who tell the politicians what to do, while creating a distraction for the stoopids like neil to squabble about, like a few asylum seekers and fear of terrorism.

    In the age of all-American anger: Bernie Sanders, “The Big Short” & a nation that’s had it up to here:
    http://www.salon.com/2016/02/08/in_the_age_of_all_american_anger_bernie_sanders_the_big_short_a_nation_thats_had_it_up_to_here/

    …The biggest financial crime of my lifetime, the financial collapse of 2008, is a historic injustice that has gone unpunished. The people who caused it also profited from it. The plutocratic class, spanning from Wall Street to Silicon Valley, manipulate politicians to get whatever they want, while the rest of us get almost nothing for our votes. This state of affairs is obvious to anyone who cares to look, and it’s the driving factor behind Bernie Sanders’ strong performance in Iowa. If this election becomes a referendum on that unaddressed outrage, Sanders can and should become the next president…

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:29 am

    Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist – there’s a difference

    YES, KL! Something discussed at great length on Blogocracy a decade ago … and I’ve stopped calling myself a social democrat for the same reason … although I notice discussing politics (face to face) these days is a difficult path to tread …

    … pleased my, soon to be, 18 yo, has been discussing issues with me knowing the election is looming … I’m quite proud of the fact that politics is not focussed on one party in my immediate family nor do we all agree, always, with either left or right decisions …

  140. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:31 am

    literally liberally TB

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:31 am

    Just a pity Sanders is now over 70 … POTUS needs a lot of energy …

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:45 am

    AO is using PJ O’Rouke as a reference for sensible political analysis!!??????

    Heavens!! I’ll note that and post some of his other opinions!

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2016 11:48 am

    The Time-Loop Party [Paul Krugman]
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/opinion/the-time-loop-party.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0

    …Then there’s the assertion that taxing the rich has terrible effects on economic growth, and conversely that tax cuts at the top can be counted on to produce an economic miracle.

    This doctrine was tested more than two decades ago, when Bill Clinton raised tax rates on high incomes; Republicans predicted disaster, but what we got was the economy’s best run since the 1960s. It was tested again when George W. Bush cut taxes on the wealthy; Republicans predicted a “Bush boom,” but actually got a lackluster expansion followed by the worst slump since the Great Depression. And it got tested a third time after President Obama won re-election, and tax rates at the top went up substantially; since then we’ve gained eight million private-sector jobs…

    …The John Birch Society has won the war for the party’s soul…

    …So how did this happen to the G.O.P.? In a direct sense, I suspect that it has a lot to do with Foxification, the way Republican primary voters live in a media bubble into which awkward facts can’t penetrate. But there must be deeper causes behind the creation of that bubble…

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 12:22 pm

    Foxification, the way Republican primary voters live in a media bubble into which awkward facts can’t penetrate. But there must be deeper causes behind the creation of that bubble…

    Easily translates

    News Ltd, the way Liberal voters live in a media bubble into which awkward facts can’t penetrate. But there must be deeper causes behind the creation of that bubble…

    There are two prime causes Control and Greed … and the purpose? Control … to create more power and greater greed for the 1%!

    Vacuum Economics is alive and well … economists will tell you that an economy will stagnate if is sucked dry and there is no churn … wouldn’t be so bad but the money they chase doesn’t really have any value … fiat money is based on … debt!

  145. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 12:45 pm

    I’ll note that and post some of his other opinions!

    Do they resonate in the way that such gems as this does?

    “Stealing from the union is morally more serious than fiddling the expense account.”

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2016 3:25 pm

    “Stealing from the union is morally more serious than fiddling the expense account.”

    That sounds reasonable.

    Stealing from a charity is more morally serious than fiddling the expense account. So is stealing from a pensioner, or stealing from a child or stealing from someone who has entrusted you with their welfare…

  147. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 3:42 pm

    Except, Unions aren’t pensioners, children, welfare, they are entities set up to garner better conditions.

    And, they have expense accounts 😉

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2016 3:57 pm

    Fiddling your union expense account to pay $$$$$$ thousands for prostitutes is more serious than fiddling your expense account to get your wife a dinner.

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2016 4:20 pm

    he didn’t, he made it more unjust, immoral and dishonest.

    Don’t agree. ALP/Greens made our asylum seeker program more unfair. With $10,000 you could get in. People with no money had no hope.

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 5:43 pm

    Stealing is wrong … period … check your bible …

    ================================

    With $10,000 you could get in. People with no money had no hope.

    And he votes Liberal … FMD!

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2016 5:47 pm

    And he votes Liberal … FMD!

    Yep

    And it is about time you started apologising for the 8,000 kids you locked up. But like all socialists you explain away your corrupt and immoral failures

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2016 5:58 pm

    Everything is black and white isn’t it TB?

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 7:11 pm

    Everything is black and white isn’t it TB?

    What a strange thing to say … probably needs an explanation … lot of assumptions and cryptic comments just lately …

    You’re obviously offended at something I wrote … just tell me what it is …

    … I do hope you are OK … ?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But like all socialists …

    But I’m not a socialist … 🙂

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 7:16 pm

    Oh, ToM do you mean that some stealing is OK?

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2016 7:25 pm

    TB, do you think fiddling your business expenses is as reprehensible as defrauding some pensioners of their life savings, and putting them in poverty?

    A simple yes or no will do.

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2016 7:45 pm

    But I’m not a socialist

    What are you then?

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 8:15 pm

    A simple yes or no will do.

    A simple yes or no … now that’s black or white! And very controlling …

    Stealing of any kind is wrong for two reasons … because someone always suffers … and because my, Mum (for some reason) believed stealing was worse than lying …

    But once again I think lying is wrong too … for quite a few reasons …

    You said “black and white” … not me … and in fact my Mum once said to me “… until you started studying everything was B&W … now its all grey …”

    How do you interpret … Thou shalt not steal …?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What are you then?

    You first …

    … in fact if you actually go back through this fred you wouldn’t need to ask the question …

  158. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:47 pm

    Everything is black and white isn’t it TB?

    BLACK = WHITE
    UNION = BAD

    As TB said stealing IS stealing.

    Whether that be a large Union account or a small business account.

    Neither are pensioners, trying to equate that just shows how truly colourblind you are

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:52 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/joyce-elected-nationals-leader/news-story/230776152556a8c598ec8f559318d42c

    What an exciting time 2016 is … ?????

    Acting Prime Meddler? jesus wept!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:58 pm

    RIO Tinto has fallen to a $US866 million ($A1.22 billion) annual loss and warned dividends to shareholders could almost halve in 2016.

    Sop just how “good” are these senior managers earning millions of dollars?

    When the shit hits the fan who do they turn to? People Power? Nah, Milkum TurnAbbout and the PEOPLE’S dough …

    Imagine if a football team was doing really well season after season (’cause the opposition was piss weak) and then they lost every game …

    Who would get the bullet? The players (workers) or the coach (CEO) … what happens in business … Robber Barons at work …

    Even Abbott got ditched for being a wanker!

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 9:59 pm

    At least the All Ords didn’t nose dive today … I guess there’s always tomorrow … 😦

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2016 10:01 pm

    BREAKDOWN OF RIO TINTO’S PERFORMANCE

    * Iron ore underlying earnings down 51 pct to $US3.95b

    * Aluminium earnings down 10 pct to $US1.1b

    * Coal and copper earnings down 67 pct to $US274m

    * Diamonds and minerals earnings down 30 pct to $US189m.

    Coal and copper? Check iron ore!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/mining-major-rio-tinto-slumps-to-a12-billion-annual-loss/news-story/0a9b7bee48e9eca246438460f9c644e2?sv=ccab589349bc09a3c029aecdfb48c2e6

  163. February 12, 2016 8:09 pm

    zombie,,,,,i am sick to death of people like TB of Queensland. TomR to,,,,,

    #yet you still manage to drop by `every` day to visit with them #well dome dummy

  164. February 12, 2016 8:27 pm

    teabag,,,,,,defrauding some pensioners of their life savings, and putting them in poverty?,,,,,,

    #You know damn well that a hungry homeless pensioner eating food in the supermarket is a much greater crime than, the cba boardroom targeting pensioners (and swindling their savings from them) ever will be #YAAY.BOARDROOM

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