Turnbull in Meltdown as Rabid Right hijacks Govt agenda
The Federal Government is in complete chaos today as so-called “moderate” leader Malcolm Turnbull faces a dramatic revolt as the rabid right wing LNP factions hit the airwaves to slam the Safe Schools program.
Why anyone would discredit a program that’s designed to stamp out bullying in schools is beyond me but the conservative religious zealots argue that an anti-bullying program somehow equates to bullying of those who could be accused of bullying.
Religious fucktard and Tony Abbott loyalist Cory Bernardi, has called for the program to be defunded, claiming it was being used to “indoctrinate children into a Marxist agenda of cultural relativism” (whatever that is), and is a waste of taxpayers’ money.
Bernardi has form in the vilification of homosexuals, previously declaring that marriage equality would lead to polygamy and bestiality.
Turnbull, a former supporter of marriage equality has capitulated to these demands raising concerns over the future of the Safe Schools program.
It helps to have a bit of context. In the last four years, the Safe Schools program has cost taxpayers $8 million while the Schools Chaplains religious indoctrination scheme has cost $243 million.
On top of all that it’s been a horror week for Turnbull, who’s had to contend with sidekick Kelly O’Dwyer contradicting his scare campaign against Labor’s proposed changes to negative gearing, which followed an embarrassing backdown on GST reforms.
Everything that was on the table in terms of tax reform has been categorically ruled out, until such time as it’s ruled back in, which could be as early as tomorrow, when the double dissolution election will, or will not, be announced. #AdultsinCharge
Turnbull’s honeymoon is not only over, but it looks like he’s already heading to the divorce courts with conservative MPs taking his floundering support as a green light to prosecute the case for a return to the Dark Ages.
George Christensen calls for standards of decency to prevail
Adding fuel to the fire is festering fat slob George Christensen, who has taken the extraordinary step of equating the Safe Schools program to “grooming” – the paedophile practice of preparing children for sexual abuse.
Turnbull has yet to condemn the comments.
It’s not very prime ministerial is it.
theguttertrash.com 
Well we are running out of money …
Apart from the $200 billion over the next ten years for a few military toys …
(that hopefully work a bit better than the F35’s) … 🙂
DD is looming the government has just appointed a Brigadier General …
All this crap with Bernardi and Christensen et al just shows how far left we have become politically … I read that somewhere recently …
Why anyone would discredit a program that’s designed to stamp out bullying
And then claim that it is bullying for the next pm to call him homophobic.
But, if it was ever clearer that malcaymans “progressive” credentials were all just pandering bullshit, this has to nail that coffin.
Even some in the msm are starting to realise it.
… I read that somewhere recently …
It ain’t right just because it’s in Black and White
lol
Chris Brown -> Treasurer 😆
They are thinking along my lines for the next pm to call him homophobic. 🙂
Bowen looks cute with that beard. Like a hairy, but not too scruffy, anus.
At least his brains aren’t in his arse …
At least his brains aren’t in his arse …
How do you know?
Bowen is the most failed minister almost ever.
As Minister for Immigration he let in 25,000 boat people while people in UNHCR camps were denied places.
Bowen is a man like all Labor voters who does nothing but destroy the lives of people
Now we learn that Brough is not re contesting the next election. I hope that is not being treated as ‘punishment enough’ for an illegal act. After all, they really stuck the boot into slipper.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/youre-going-to-die-poofter-and-thats-why-we-need-safe-schools/news-story/ab74fd1b2972c9d0ef7c2607f2984876
“…on the proviso that they enter into negotiations for longer term efficiency reforms …”
But not if your a gay, lesbian or transgender kid at school … or, I’d bet, in many churches!
Should Australia be attacked by anyone … anyone … just what do you think most other countries around the world do … send us a get well card! FFS!
festering,,,,,,fat slob George Christensen, who has taken the extraordinary step of equating the Safe Schools program to ”grooming”, ”the paedophile practice of preparing children for sexual abuse,,,,,,,,
# ,, l thought `grooming` was being accomplished under the program that injected priests into schools ,, silly me
Tim Dunlop: The great unsettlement that is dogging Turnbull
Hello Meta.
Go check your facts.
mellow.com
I get mine from heydonsfullofshit.com
youdontknowwhatyouretalkingabout.com
Proof that priests are nice –
abs.gov.au
OXYMORON OF THE YEAR >>> Sequel coming soon!
Proof that priests are nice –
The real questions are … priests are nice to whom and what for?
Hilarious to watch the left of politics explode in homophobic illiteracy …
Personally I would be inclined to think that was more extreme right wing politics but it seem that I was wrong according to the experts …
https://theguttertrash.com/2016/02/23/5562/
😦
youdontknowwhatyouretalkingabout.com
It appears that yomms got his own website. A wiki for the 1%
And I always thought it was tom.com
If you browse to tom.com it apparently redirects to idontknowwhatimtalkingabout.com
Laura Tingle is a prescient as ever
What is the point of Malcolm Turnbull ask voters?
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/where-is-malcolm-turnbull-ask-the-voters-as-momentum-builds-towards-a-july-election-20160225-gn36wy#ixzz41JqY9cdA
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lol, it appears that yabot reckons he tried, he really truly did.
Poor old malcayman, I’ll bet h knows how Gillard felt now, except without the misogynistic overtones.
What is the point of Malcolm Turnbull ask voters?
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/where-is-malcolm-turnbull-ask-the-voters-as-momentum-builds-towards-a-july-election-20160225-gn36wy
…So the answer to the question “Where is Malcolm Turnbull?”: he’s sitting in his office trying to work out how best to proceed with a calm plan for winning an election.
He and his Treasurer have allowed the tax debate to jump off the nail and go careering around the yard like one of those old catherine wheel fireworks on cracker night. In turn, this has encouraged every nutter in his government to go off on frolics of their own on policy.
He now has just over two months to get the tax discussion on a track that gives the government a credible platform for an election campaign, to transform the direction of what dominates our political debate, and for his Treasurer to land his administration’s first budget.
It all suggests a need for haste as well as calm and purpose…
The old and the young fogeys of the Liberal Party, still relevant to liberal party politics today and our recent abbotting.
Paul Keating: ‘This is the ‘golden age’ when Australia stagnated’, Cultural Cringe speech – 1992
http://speakola.com/political/paul-keating-cultural-cringe-1992
…’BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT’
Turnbull has described the Business Council of Australia’s advocacy of a GST increase to fund company tax cuts to colleagues as the “go into the study, get out your service revolver and blow your brains out” option in political terms.
He remains incredulous that the business community seriously thinks this was ever a possibility.
That is, a tax mix change which would hit poor people to fund a tax cut for a bunch of rich people who make it a point of pride not to pay tax…
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/where-is-malcolm-turnbull-ask-the-voters-as-momentum-builds-towards-a-july-election-20160225-gn36wy#ixzz41Jy4IIrP
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Turnbull rattled over tax reform
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2016/02/27/turnbull-rattled-over-tax-reform/14564916002928
…“We have seen … confirmation that we are going to be in a period of low and high volatile prices before we see a recovery.”…
…Economist Shane Oliver told the ABC the resources boom was pumping something like $70 billion into federal and state revenue, and that has now disappeared. The gift that made Peter Costello look like a genius treasurer in the Howard years, with bulging surpluses in every budget, is “all gone”…
…Despite difficulties with securing supply, if a July double-dissolution election is called the prospect is weighing more heavily by the day. Bill Shorten suspects there won’t be a budget, just a tax package as user-friendly as possible and a rush for voters’ approval…
… it apparently redirects to …
Try tom.xxx 🙂
I think you mean “jump off the rails” … Laura 🙂
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2016/02/27/turnbull-rattled-over-tax-reform/14564916002928
What pisses me off is where were all these economist two bloody years ago!!!?
Economist Shane Oliver told the ABC the resources boom was pumping something like $70 billion into federal and state revenue, and that has now disappeared. The gift that made Peter Costello look like a genius treasurer in the Howard years, with bulging surpluses in every budget, is “all gone
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You just know Oliver votes Labor because he is a liar. The mining boom did not start until 2004 so Costello got the benefit for only 3 years and had run many surplus budgets before the mining boom started
http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html
Commodity prices are still well above the level when Costello ran most of his surplus budgets and is around the level when Costello lost office in 2007. It was Labor who got the benefit of the biggest boom in our history and wasted the lot.
What pisses me off is lying pigs like Shane Oliver and people who publish his crap.
Telling lies helps nobody.
Economist Shane Oliver told the ABC the resources boom was pumping something like $70 billion into federal and state revenue, and that has now disappeared. The gift that made Peter Costello look like a genius treasurer in the Howard years, with bulging surpluses in every budget, is “all gone
The resources boom is still happening just not at the record levels under Rudd/Gillard. Our terms of trade are still higher than under Hawke/Keating and Howard/Costello
The question should be asked why the budget is not in surplus. And the answer is Australians are addicted to debt and spending. Australians don’t care until the debt starts to cause damage to our standard of living
You can tell Paul Bongiorno and Shane oliver are Labor supporters. They are both terrible liars.
Telling lies helps nobody.
Deny the facts all you like, it won’t make the libs good economic managers, they have been shown to be ideological zealots who are prepared to use taxpayer funds to line the pockets of the wealthy rent seekers and lib party donors. They are corrupt to the core and use the power of parliamentary office and the legal system to destroy their political opponents, just like any third world dictator. The christian fascists in the party should be a laughing stock, but the libs allow them to control the population with non secular, religious dogma that would well suit any islamic regime.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704
…As economist Stephen Koukoulas noted back in 2012, Howard and Costello were accorded a respect their actual economic record didn’t deserve:
The budget papers … show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent. In addition, there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP and all seven were under the Howard government.
In a similar vein, in the last 30 years, there have been 10 occasions when the tax to GDP ratio has been below 22.0 per cent of GDP and all 10 were under a Labor Government. To put simply, the Howard government was a high taxer, while the current Labor Government is a lower taxer.
In terms of government spending, there have been only five years in the four decades leading up to 2012-13 when real government spending was cut in real terms. None of those cuts were delivered by a Coalition government…
In 2013 The IMF found that the most profligate government in Australia over a one hundred year period was the Howard Government.
The shift of debt from govt to the individual during the Howard/Costello years.
GFC immediately after Howard & Costello were booted.
The incompetence and sheer negligence in high office associated with the selling of telstra, not one thought was for the good of the public.
Howard/Costello’s squandering of mining profits with huge middle class welfare bribes to keep them in office, leaving structural deficits far into the future.
Rolling in dough they were and still neglected to invest in infrastructure, R & D and public services.
A couple of comments from that story ring true.
… v:
13 Mar 2015 10:20:31am
Alfie,
“That is because they had money to spend, and still delivered surplus after surplus.”
When I was a kid, I spent a lot of time on a farm. The family who owned the farm lived rather simply. They had good years and bad years. In the good years they used their extra income to upgrade things like fences, tractors, access ways and so on. They used what was left to pay off any debt they had accumulated in the lean times and replenish their savings.
The farm next door was a different story. Every time they had a bumper harvest the whole family went on a cruise, and in particularly good years they bought themselves a new Mercedes. Of course, when the bad years came they were first in line with their hands out looking for “drought assistance”.
Mr Howard’s economic management was quite similar in character to the approach taken by the farmer next door. He used the economic boom left to him by Keating to fund a spending spree on things that did absolutely nothing to strengthen the economy or encourage productive activity. The wasteful and counter-productive programmes on which he squandered the proceeds of Keating’s boom seriously distorted the economy and left it in poor shape to cope with the inevitable downturn that finally mainfested itself in the GFC. In fact, many of the problems identified by the latest Inter-Generational Report have their origins in, or have been made far worse by the structural burdens imposed by Howard’s disastrous social engineering experiments and blatant pork-barrelling.
Economic management requires a long-term perspective. It is very important not to get over-excited and blow all your cash when times are good, because it is inevitable that there are bad times to come. The good times give you the reserves you need to coast through the bad times.
Howard grew up in the suburbs, protected from the ups and downs of real life. As Eric Bogle observes: “There is no drought and starving stock, On a sewered suburban block”. Little wonder that he never learned the realities of sustainable management.
GreyBags:
13 Mar 2015 12:25:58pm
Approx $330 billion in windfall gains from the mining boom and $74 billion dollars from asset sales.
All they left was loose change rattling around in the ashtray and a structural deficit. Profligate to the max…
AO
Not sure what you are blabbing on about. I was just correcting the lies of Oliver and Bongiorno. Commodity prices are about the same as when Costello lost office. They have plummeted from the huge highs under Rudd/Swan but they are still better than at anytime during Hawke/Keating and for most of the Howard govt. Terms of trade are still good.
Oliver is just telling lies like all Labor supporters.
Neil, once again you have your facts wrong. If you a bit of research you’ll find that historically Australia’s economy always surges under a Labor govt and then contracts under an LNP govt.
It’s a simple matter of fact:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/terms-of-trade
that historically Australia’s economy always surges under a Labor govt and then contracts under an LNP govt.
Our economy surged under Rudd/Gillard? News to me. Tell that to the 300,000 people who lost their jobs under Labor.
“””… Mr Turnbull said confidence in the … “”” I think that should be Mr Shorten … ?
Nice to see the Bill Shorten and the Labor Opposition demonstrating how to govern to a very incompetent TurnAbbout Liberal/National Coalition rabble …
Kneel do you know what a trend line is?
JuniorManagersHandbook.com/KnowNothing/BlackmoresBonus
pomp, ceremony and [not-quite-wedding] dresses
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/
…If only there was genuine hellfire, so that all the apologists for the church and the behaviour of its servants, along with the actual miscreants, and those in authority who managed the cover-up, might see them serve their time in eternity in befitting surroundings.
But it’s likely many of them favour the Oscar Wilde solution, which is intrinsically Catholic. Sin away with all your might, and then a final confession will wipe the slate clean.
Which is why the pond insists you don’t go away without a frock sighting …
I think that’s Cardinal Red.
TEABAG MANAGEMENT
FOLLOW THE LEADER EDITION
We all know teabags love teh-usa wet-dream,
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-06/giant-crane-falls-in-new-york-killing-one/7145694
so of course the devout zombies in jonestown will follow teh-usa,
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-27/crane-collapse-at-construction-site-in-hornsby/7204778
but rigorous `competition` between jonestown and boltsville will ensure boltsville will never go down the same path
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-24/electrical-fault-investigated-as-cause-of-melbourne-crane-blaze/7195982
“I think that’s Cardinal Red.”
Really?
I thought it was “here I am a totally fucked up condescending stuck up uncaring and child sex abuser protecting cunt face git” red.
Or did I miss something.
The budget papers … show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent. In addition, there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP and all seven were under the Howard government.
Lefties cannot seem to make up their minds. The story used to be that the Howard/Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget leading to a structural deficit.
The new story is that Howard/Costello taxed the crap out of people and anybody could run a surplus budget if they taxed like Costello.
In all my life i have never met anyone more deceitful and dishonest than people who vote Labor/Greens
“I thought it was “here I am a totally fucked up condescending stuck up uncaring and child sex abuser protecting cunt face git” red..”
On second thoughts, it could be Permanent Crimson.
🙂
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Yes reb, the homophobes have outdone themselves in hate and bigotry, imagine what they would be saying if they get their wish to have the anti discrimination laws ignored for their side of the gay marriage ‘debate’?
Very fetching
Diego Velazquez, 1650.
Francis Bacon, 1953:
Seeing poverty in people’s teeth
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/02/27/seeing-poverty-peoples-teeth/14564916002933
…Decreasing rates of full-time employment have led to a new class of working poor, whose struggles are borne out by the state of their dental health…
ACOSS found that more than half those employed people who were living below the poverty line were in part-time work, and that’s an issue that’s been growing slowly but steadily for decades. Sold to us as part of a new, bright, libertarian future, part-time and contract work has begun to erode what were once considered standard benchmarks in workers’ pay and conditions, and these private contracts are difficult to monitor.
…Kearney confesses that trade unions have been “a bit like frogs in boiling water” in terms of their reactions to these workplace changes. “They crept up on us slowly,” she says, “and I think we are now in danger of going down the path of America’s working poor.”…
Interested reb?
Diego Velazquez, 1650.
Edward the Great, 2002
re the Wilcox cartoon, what is it about the libs that causes the cartoonists to picture the libs ganging up and beating someone up?
I see the painting virus is back …
These people are really sick …
John Howard & The Private School Bullies are alive and at work!
Shouldn’t he be in Purgatory by now?
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/exprime-minister-john-howard-backs-governments-review-of-safe-schools-coalition-program/news-story/8fa7ab76046cfb9a963f28bc97e7090e
Can someone provide a link for John Howard’s attendance record of the 41 soldiers killed in Afghanistan …?
One of these Liberal’s is like shit to a blanket and the other is like diarrhea … !
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/28/negative-gearing-malcolm-turnbull-to-face-uneasy-liberals-in-party-room
And who votes for these dicks? The same people that think Trump is a super star?
The military acronym MIA has a whole new meaning … Morrison In-Active …
Where is the “treasurer” … what a wimp when he’s finally found out!
“And who votes for these dicks?”
About every second voter.
“The same people that think Trump is a super star?
Can US Republicans vote here??!!
HILLARY Clinton scored a resounding victory against Bernie Sanders in Saturday’s Democratic primary in South Carolina
Good.
“The same people that think Trump is a super star?
Can US Republicans vote here??!!
I didn’t say VOTE … YOU did … once again, misinterpreting and, misquoting and misleading …
Can someone provide a link for John Howard’s attendance record of the 41 soldiers killed in Afghanistan …?
What is the point you are trying to make? I remember lefties saying Afghanistan was the good war. Most of the deaths in Afghanistan happened under Rudd/Gillard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force_casualties_in_Afghanistan
Operation Slipper is notable for the first Australian combat deaths since the Vietnam War, and to date all casualties have occurred during operations in Afghanistan.
There were no combat deaths in Iraq.
It was Hawke/Keating who took us to the Middle East and we have been there ever since.
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Hurt … betrayed and abandoned more like!
I’ll accept your apology tomorrow, ToM
There were no combat deaths in Iraq.
Oh well, as long as none of the invaders died it’s all OK, who cares if we’ve trashed the country on a whim and killed 100’s and 1,000’s of them and increased terror throughout the world 🙄
NBN: Malcolm Turnbull’s ‘faster, cheaper’ roll-out falters
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-malcolm-turnbulls-faster-cheaper-rollout-falters-20160228-gn5l0s.html
…Malcolm Turnbull’s cut-price National Broadband Network is facing mounting delays and rising costs, according to a damning internal progress report obtained by Fairfax Media.
The report, marked “commercial in confidence” and “for official use only”, sets out a litany of problems in delivering the Coalition’s supposedly more budget-friendly fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) model…
“It just completely baffles me that something should have got passed the first barrier; something like that is fundamentally according to our culture and our society those matters should be discussed by parents with children.”
Former Australian Electoral Commission official says Senate voting change is ‘incoherent’
https://theconversation.com/former-australian-electoral-commission-official-says-senate-voting-change-is-incoherent-55489
…Maley says the scheme proposed will create an anomaly never previously seen at Senate elections – identical preferences for candidates may produce a formal vote if the elector expresses them “above the line”, but an informal one if they are expressed “below the line” because the ballot paper would be insufficiently completed…
…Maley, who favours the reform provided it also applies below the line, notes that the joint standing committee recommended in 2014 partial optional preferential voting for below the line, with six candidates to be voted for in a half-Senate election and 12 in a double dissolution. This would have been consistent with the proposed above the line voting…
Something to think about, I do.
THE BOOMER SUPREMACY
The dominance of baby boomers is becoming total
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/march/1456750800/richard-cooke/boomer-supremacy
…The Baird post attracted more than 15,000 comments, most of them angry and scathing. The Cool Vicar had transformed into #casinomike overnight. Those who had stuck him with the sobriquet were young people, traditionally tarred as the most politically apathetic constituency of all. They had finally revolted over the fate of their city.
…For many of the young and those approaching middle age, it constitutes a final straw. The physical lockout is the final manifestation of a cultural lockout they have suffered for a long time. They have been locked out of the housing market, locked out of affordable education, locked out of the welfare system and secure employment. They have seen their political power and their real wealth shrivel. And now the one area where their expectations had not been curtailed – recreation – is being destroyed as well.
The lockout laws are not the closure of a few pubs because of drunken violence. They are final confirmation of who the country is run by, and who it is run for…
…Generation Y may be the first generation in memory to be less wealthy than that of their parents. Almost all the benefits of the mining boom in additional government spending went to older voters…
““They want to do six months here and travel for three months. They want to come back and they want to do another six months … that is the future of work for them,” Senator Cash said. “Our policies should be adapting to what the younger generation want and need going forward.””
There were no combat deaths in Iraq.
Someone should tell this lot. Oh wait..
Iraq will remain as the biggest international clusterfuck since WW1 and both were for the same reason, national greed and pride.
The report, which was never intended for public disclosure, reveals the extent to which the more than $46 billion project has drifted off course, mainly during the time when Mr Turnbull was in direct control as communications minister – the portfolio he held before replacing Tony Abbott as Prime Minister in September.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-malcolm-turnbulls-faster-cheaper-rollout-falters-20160228-gn5l0s.html#ixzz41UoRc851
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Yep, malcayman, fine when he’s squirreling away his own (inherited) millions in tax havens, but not so good when he’s playing with taxpayers hard earned. If only we had known.
Someone should tell this lot. Oh wait..
There were no Australian combat deaths in Iraq. The Americans and British were going in no matter what anybody said.
The report, which was never intended for public disclosure, reveals the extent to which the more than $46 billion project has drifted off course
And if FTTP was being built it would take 5-10 times longer and be 5-10 times more expensive compared to FTTN. And if not for Labors lies we would be better off. The regional areas of Australia would have mobile broadband years ago.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/
Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years……For the 1.5 million or so Australians in remote or sparsely settled areas, the coalition and Labor technology approaches are very similar – fixed wireless and satellite,” he said.
“It is no accident the technologies to be deployed by the NBN are the same as those which would have been used by OPEL. And, had that scheme not been cancelled by Labor in 2008 would today be providing fast broadband to Australians in those areas.
It’s been less than an hour since the chief Tim started giving evidence at the Royal Commission and has already said “I can’t recall..”
Expect that line to be trotted out many more times during the course of the day..
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The Americans and British were going in no matter what anybody said.
Something about “if your friends jumped off a cliff” …..
And if FTTP was being built it would take 5-10 times longer and be 5-10 times more expensive compared to FTTN
That is factually false. The blowout has everything to do with MTM, even NoBN agree
Quigley’s right: Morrow says $15bn NBN blowout “mostly” relates to MTM
…
NBN chief executive Bill Morrow this morning broadly confirmed analysis by his predecessor Mike Quigley showing that the up to $15 billion blowout in the NBN company’s costs was due to the Multi-Technology Mix imposed by Malcolm Turnbull, in a move that appears set to increase the pressure on the Government over the issue.
https://delimiter.com.au/2015/11/09/quigleys-right-says-morrow-15bn-nbn-blowout-mostly-relates-to-mtm/
Just another Mulberry Bush Morning I see …
If TurnAbbout has problems with the “tax” package … why ask the worst treasurer in living history … instead of the best … Keating … ?
Ideology gets in your eyes …
That is factually false. The blowout has everything to do with MTM, even NoBN agree
Who knows. It is just he said she said. It is hard to believe that FTTN would cost the same as FTTP.
On this issue you are just taking political sides just like me. But having a govt company build things is a mistake.
On this issue you are just taking political sides just like me. But having a govt company build things is a mistake.
BS! The TECHNOLOGY is flawed! You take the politically side – over everything … and the Libs wanted it to fail … they succeeded …
The NBN report tells you that …
It is just he said she said
Yes, and both “he” and “she” said the blowout is because of malcaymans mtm read the headline of the link at least.
I read the whole article. Turnbull said this
“Turnbull accused the previous management of the company — led by chief executive Mike Quigley — as being incompetent when it came to its financial modelling.
Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost. Certainly not Quigley. So you cannot compare the cost of FTTN to FTTP because FTTP has never been done before and nobody has any idea of the cost involved.
BS! The TECHNOLOGY is flawed! You take the politically side – over everything … and the Libs wanted it to fail … they succeeded …
This thing has been a stuffup from the beginning. Rudd took a policy to the 2007 election which went nowhere and was thrown into the bin. This latest effort was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight. And we are stuck with it.
The latest offensive and ill-informed stream of bile from George Christensen and Cory Bernardi is a powerful reminder of the harm words can do.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/29/bill-shorten-christensen-and-bernardi-remind-us-of-the-harm-words-can-do?CMP=soc_568
Turnbull said this
ROFL
malcayman says a lot of things. None of it is backed up with the hard data
malcaymans had picked spruiker had to admit the following
“We talked about the $8 billion cost that caused that … it mostly related to the two new technologies that we’re using,” he said, referring to the HFC cable and Fibre to the Node rollouts highlighted by Quigley.
Because Quigley had shown, via the pdf in the article, that the blowout was because of how malcayman had changed the rollout.
The cost blowout is detailed here. It is unequivocal that malcaymans plan woiuld provide us with an infrastructure already out of date by the time it is completed, and for the same cost a true FTTP would cost. And that doesn’t take into account the cost to the home to connect the last segment, or, as someone just pointed out on Twitter, the cost of electricity to the nodes, which doesn’t appear to have been factored in at all.
Click to access MQ-PDF.pdf
I’m starting to waver on the senate reforms. I wish I knew how it would play out. I don’t want the senate reforms rushed in just to give the libs the chance of kneecapping senate opposition and a successful DD election.
I’d like to see less haste and more thought on the subject.
Change of Senate guards boost for lobbyists, not reform
http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/change-of-senate-guards-boost-for-lobbyists-not-reform-20160227-gn58av.html#ixzz41VwdgJwP
…The proposed changes in voting arrangements for the Senate, which Malcolm Turnbull is pushing through Parliament with as little scrutiny as possible, will make life for lobbyists easier…
…better solution – one that ended gaming by micro parties without stymieing all democratic change – would be to retain the present preference system but simply add the rule that candidates getting a primary vote of less than, say, 2 per cent, would be excluded from election and their preferences redistributed.
Turnbull and his minor-party collaborators claim that the rush to get his Senate changes into law by March 17, and for them to take effect immediately, is independent of his threat to call a double dissolution if his anti-union legislation is blocked.
But if he gets his voting changes through, it’s hard to see him not calling an early, double D election. Why? Because once he’s done the micro-party Senators in the eye, it’s hard to see him ever getting anything through the present Senate…
Power issues in SMH article makes me wonder if grid upgrades are req’d for FTTH. A hidden cost maybe?
I read an article recently [can’t remember where now] saying that FTTH does not require it to be hooked up to power but the other options do [FTTN & the hybrid]. On that alone we should have got FTTH technology.
On that alone we should have got FTTH technology.
I think your comment is wrong. FTTP needs a power supply. The current phone line does not so if there is a power failure the NBN (FTTP or FTTN) will not work.
Also nobody has any idea how much FTTP would cost. In the link TomR provided a commentator says the cost for FTTP would be $73B
I’d like to see less haste and more thought on the subject.
Exactly … be suspicious if this bill suddenly pops up with the real possibility of a DD …
We know by now that if they can’t win with the rules in place – the Libs just change them and if they see a personal or party benefit to them the ALP will suddenly become bi-partisan!
As I once said regarding Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood … be careful what you ask for …
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TR, that Bill Shorten article on gay and lesbian dangers and changes is spot on … that crap should be well behind us by now … not only is it shameful but should be labelled un-Australian!
And get on with governing the country for ALL Australians for a change …
I think your comment is wrong.
It is probably best not to use the concept “I think” when you are posting nil, just saying 😉
Especially considering that we went through the “electricity” aspect before.
Fibre doesn’t need electricity to carry the transmitted data, copper does. This is why each cabinet will need an electrical source.
btw, have you managed to find a phone on the market that doesn’t require power yet?
Kneel if you don’t know don’t fkn comment!
Wasteful of people’s time …
I may very well be wrong neil, as I said I can’t remember where I read it.
Possibly something like the FTTH optical cable not carrying any power as optical? I remember no power and the optical cable anyway, do the other cables carry or use power?
Apparently the AFP are snooping around Parliament House. broughs gone, who could it be? 🙂
Fibre doesn’t need electricity to carry the transmitted data, copper does. This is why each cabinet will need an electrical source.
Ah, that’s it!
OUCH!!
It appears the tweeter was no twit, and your memory serves you correctly ao 😉
The report pins much of the delays on issues with electricity companies, which appear to be having problems getting power to the neighbourhood ‘nodes’ used in a FTTN rollout.
Labor’s previous near-universal Fibre to the Premises rollout for the NBN would not have suffered the same problems, as it does not rely on electrical power to neighbourhood ‘nodes’.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/02/29/turnbulls-mtm-nbn-plan-in-crisis-says-jason-clare
Like mother like daughter
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/sydney-roosters/shaun-kennydowall-found-not-guilty-of-all-domestic-violence-charges-20160229-gn68b9.html
lol, this is nils “commentor” giving his mea culpa on his stupid $73B claim.
@jk sorry you are correct, SR13 was prepared by NBNCo. They are entirely at fault with the changing MTM figures (blowout).
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It is probably best not to use the concept “I think” when you are posting nil, just saying 😉
Especially considering that we went through the “electricity” aspect before.
Yes and the conclusion is that the current telephone lines have a UPS so will still work during a power blackout. The new NBN (either FTTP or FTTN) will not.
Leaked pamphlet claims gay marriage would lead to sexual diseases, drug use and unemployment
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/leaked-pamphlet-claims-gay-marriage-would-lead-to-sexual-diseases-drug-use-and-unemployment-20160228-gn61ot.html#ixzz41WE0SSkN
…Labor and marriage equality campaigners have argued against a plebiscite, saying it will unleash divisive attacks on the gay and lesbian community. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said he has faith Australians will participate in a plebiscite in a civil and sensible manner.
Former Howard government MP Chris Miles authorised the pamphlets.
The government is finalising the mechanism for the plebiscite to be held after the next election.
The pamphlets, obtained by Fairfax Media, have been prepared and funded by Chris Miles, a former Liberal MP and member of the Foreign Investment Review Board.
Mr Miles served as the Member for the Tasmanian electorate of Braddon from 1984 until 1998. He co-founded the Lyons Forum, a now disbanded group of conservative Christian MPs including Kevin Andrews and Eric Abetz…
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/archive/coalition-broadband-policy-frequently-asked-questions#energy
Click to access energy-wired-wireless.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#Fibre_to_the_premises
http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/already-connected/nbn-equipment/battery-back-up-service-information.html
…It appears the tweeter was no twit, and your memory serves you correctly ao 😉
The report pins much of the delays on issues with electricity companies, which appear to be having problems getting power to the neighbourhood ‘nodes’ used in a FTTN rollout…
That’s the one tomR, I thought I’d linked to it, guess not!
so will still work during a power blackout.
Yes, but will your phone, you short memoried moron?
Thanks Meta 😉
Yes, but will your phone, you short memoried moron?
We discussed this a while back. Tom of Melbourne said the current telephone lines have a UPS so will work during a power blackout.
The NBN will not. So you need battery backup if you want the NBN to work during a power blackout. And the phone is connected to the NBN so you will not have phone or internet during a power blackout with the NBN
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-users-complain-about-battery-backup-276366
NBN Co CEO Mike Quigley has revealed mandatory back-up batteries as the biggest source of complaints from trial users of the National Broadband Network……..Should it continue across the full rollout of the network, a backup battery device would be installed at each of the more than 12 million premises NBN Co expects to pass with fibre by 2021.
the current telephone lines have a UPS
But your telephone, brainiac, does your telephone have its own UPS?? And, as yomm pointed out, this is why we now need electricity at each cabinet. To supply that “UPS” for a copper line almost every phone for sale on the market can’t bloody well use in a blackout.
when it comes to trolling nil, this is how it’s done 😉
Have we reached peak waffle?
New ice cream sundae …
The Turnbull
… four waffles, raspberries and a little sparkler … that quickly burns out … 😀
It’s like he’s channeling yabot TB
“The Turnbull”
What we will see next year…………………………365 Sunrises and 365 Sunsets
What we certainly wont see next year !
President Donald Trump greeting Prime Minister Bill Shorten in the Oval Office
But your telephone, brainiac, does your telephone have its own UPS??
Oh i get what you are saying. Most telephones today come needing to be plugged in unlike the older phones. Why is that?.
But with the NBN nobody will be able to use the internet or phone during a blackout since they are connected. Some people must still have the older style phones.
But with the NBN nobody will be able to use the internet or phone during a blackout
lol nils, read YOUR link ROFL
President Donald Trump greeting Prime Minister Bill Shorten in the Oval Office
Nah! But a good chance of:
President Hilary Clinton greeting Prime Minister Bill Shorten in the Oval Office …
And a President Trump might wipe out your … 365 sunrises and 365 sunsets
lol nils, read YOUR link ROFL
I have the NBN and there is noway i am going to pay for a backup power supply. And i guess a lot of people will not know their phone and internet will not work during a power failure.
I am sure there are lots of people who still have the old style phones which would have worked during a power failure with the copper phone network.
Should it continue across the full rollout of the network, a backup battery device would be installed at each of the more than 12 million premises NBN Co expects to pass with fibre by 2021
And if anyone thinks that would have happened is living in leftie laa laa land. FTTP finished by 2012 conected to 12 million premises with 12 million backup battery devices.
Only 50,000 homes were connected to labors FTTP in 2013. There are now 850,000 premises connected with FTTN. Labors FTTP was going nowhere and is too costly.
Hey Walrus. I’d like to ask your opinion on something to do with the share market.
Yes ToSY…….fire away…………..I’m an optimist remember
Christ. Here we go.
Oh……..and lets talk about Peak Oil………….or the distinct lack of commentary these days LOL
I believe that reb just alluded to your real identity ToSY
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Do you like any particular high-yield fully franked stocks, suitable for a retiree I know?
(I’m not the Messiah.)
If we disregard the 4 Banks I like IOOF (ASX=IFL) even though they are in the midst of a scandal ATM I have been accumulating for around 8 months now. Coming off a bit of a low at the moment.
And you could look at BoQ
And I have always liked Alumina ( the correlation to the aluminium price has very much decoupled over the last few years). Coming off a recent low so you might wish to wait for it to come back a bit.
But buy over time and average out……but you already know that 🙂
“(I’m not the Messiah.)”
Just a naughty boy
I have the NBN and there is noway i am going to pay for a backup power supply.
“lol nils, read YOUR link ROFL”
No, I’m not going to do it tosy, you very naughty boy!
You’re assuming they already own the four banks?
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/government-and-opposition-trade-barbs-over-nbns-multibillion-rollout/news-story/40f009bddfff8833bbc117bf2fb29c1c
What astounds me is that a local Freemason’s Retirement Home is an island of NBN …
Now I wonder how that came about? And before you ask … the home is well over 70 years old …
Why? Must be those porn films …
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(I’m not the Messiah.)
Nah! He’s just a retiree … 🙂
But buy over time and average out……but you already know that 🙂
But, but its for retiree … oh that’s right he’ll live until he/she is 110 according to Liberal policy … about the only one they have …
I know ToSY … you could invest in the Liberal Party! Everyone else does … just for the Vacuum Economics … ya know “suck it up” peasants … 😉
Or is it suck up the peasants?
You’re assuming they already own the four banks?
You know the Swiss woman who owns the four major banks? FMD! So do I!
I just figured out why I live in an NBN vacuum … the STATE electoral boundaries … I assumed (yeah, yeah) it was Federal …
The Freemason’s Home is not tiny! But ..?
The Federal member (Lib) I kicked out of my lounge a few years ago and told never to return! Wandering around on the carpet in his fkn work boots! Drongo!
ao/monthly,,,,,,The physical lockout is the final manifestation of a cultural lockout they have suffered for a long time. They have been locked out of the housing market, locked out of affordable education, locked out of the welfare system and secure employment. They have seen their political power and their real wealth shrivel.,,,,,,
#while the out-come is accurate to some extent armchair, the main `victims` of king-hits injuries is also the same generation. Politicians `have` successfully conned older voters to some extent to allow the govt to abdicate responsibility for `fairness and social good` via over complicated policy mangling unquestioned by frightened-media. So they often end-up tricked.
#as a `working-example` we need look no further than one of `our` own teabags, who will squirt incessantly every time `fish-nibble` is reported, because `his` child might swim in the ocean from time to time. Fearing the ocean `predator` which is 100% avoidable, by staying out of the ocean. On the other hand, the same teabag cheers for the creation of land-based `predators` which his child `may` not always be able to avoid, that may drop a scaffold, crane or wall on child, or fly child over hot battlefield, or child become victim of drug-addled, unemployed, homeless desperado. The same applies to the financial, using the same imbecile that cheers for the fcuking-up of workers pay`n conditions and thus super, basically entrenches for his child heftier `pension` and/or `prison` costs. The child may avoid one, but not both.
Thanks anyhow Walrus.
Evil exits where good men do nothing … and archbishops turn a blind eye …
It seems the Australian catholic church let the victims of priestly pedophilia not cardinal pell …
Fkn hypocrites all …
tbagz!
I for one get a bit fed up being blamed for the state of the fkn world … I can assure you and everyone else who prattles “Baby Boomer” BOO! the state of play was necver stacked in my favour! And many other BBs I know … we didn’t whinge we just got on with it!
There is always a way! The word can’t does not exist in my world!
The world changes and moves on … build a bridge … get over it!
Thanks anyhow Walrus.
Mmmm … “anyhow”, wally …
tbagz!,,,,,I for one get a bit fed up being blamed for the state of the fkn world,,,,,
#if`ya paid attention to my included `working-example` you would have noticed l didn`t blame YOU, just many have been conned, however, there is groups(possibly-astroturfed) that DO get plenty of air-time on the `pretence` of boomer interests, which is probably what the other-side are referring to ,, l can`t think of the group/s name/s at moment, but will drop`ya some links when l do ,, stop taking astroturf/group personally ,, it aint
Welcome back Catching Up
qandaland has your `buddy` shelton on tonight reb #iview
The pamphlets, obtained by Fairfax Media,,,,,,have been prepared and funded by Chris Miles, a former Liberal MP and member of the Foreign Investment Review Board,,,,,
#can we assume the teabags free-hate speech-pamphlets are `taxpayer-funded` via miles `mp-pension` or review-board wages?
shelton is making a total arse-hat of himself and being guzzumped by both `audience` and other panel guests #qandaland
“qandaland has your `buddy` shelton on tonight reb #iview”
Thanks #bagz.
Fortunately I missed it.
shelton is making a total arse-hat of himself and being guzzumped by both `audience` and other panel guests #qandaland
Pretty much as I expected. He’s just had his arse handed to him by most of them, especially Kerryn Phelps. He’s even played the muslim card for support!
…I for one get a bit fed up being blamed for the state of the fkn world … I can assure you and everyone else who prattles “Baby Boomer” BOO! the state of play was necver stacked in my favour! And many other BBs I know … we didn’t whinge we just got on with it!…
I thought the article was worthy of inclusion though and there was nothing personal intended in it.
You and I would have had a job from the time we left school and never known unemployment, that’s how it was for our generations. We had decent education opportunities. Times have changed. I blame the corporisation of australia. Perhaps that is where the blame should be laid, the corporations are quite happy for us all to be fighting and distracted over the scraps they throw our way, but i’m hoping everyone will stop fighting each other one day and start laying the blame where it’s due – a society ruined by a devotion to the economy and profits for a few.
When you think about it, WTF are we leaving gen Y?
We will have destroyed the planet which will take massive amounts of their taxes to try and combat and the BB generation are the worst generation for scepticism of CC. Governments ignore the issue. The banks are ripping us all off, the kids can’t get jobs, the ones they do get are exercises in exploitation. No chance of buying their own house due to BB investors trying to get rich quick and bugger everyone else. Tax incentives are skewed towards the wealthy BB generation so they can sock away $ for their retirement. These kids can’t even look forward to a financial stability due to the increased casualisation of jobs and not enough jobs to go around.
We don’t even want them to have a decent uni education for the ‘good job’ joe hockey said they need to aspire to and medicare will be completely trashed for their generation, the working poor.
Surely we can think of the young ones and leave them better off than the generations before them? It is incumbent upon us I think.
We left qanda and there was an ad immediately after the program asking us to donate to the fiji appeal.
I’m having a bit of compassion overload these days.
The government has systematically gone about cutting foreign aid and every time there is a natural disaster or anything out of the ordinary there is a campaign for people to donate.
That’s why we pay taxes isn’t it?
They have effectively outsourced foreign aid to the public. They can’t have it all, they can’t pay enormous sums of our money to lock up asylum seekers in a foreign hell hole, create a ‘border force’ empire and then expect us to pay for genuine foreign aid out of our own pockets for the pacific countries that we usually provide assistance for anyway.
grrr, nope I’m refusing.
“You’re assuming they already own the four banks?”
Definitely.
But CBA is still on the expensive side and ANZ has a bit of downside still to go due to Asian uncertainties.
I like WBC and NAB at these levels
Surely we can think of the young ones and leave them better off than the generations before them? It is incumbent upon us I think.
They will be, KL, the BBs won’t last forever (I can assure you!) …
… but its not a generational thing … there are super rich, rich, comfortable and struggling in all generational groupings …
Its the “blanket”, all BBs are selfish bastards, that I object to … a bit like saying all women are radical feminists …
The problem is the manipulation of the system to uber kapitalism and sucking the economy dry by the RICH! Of all ages!
My family is and will be better off than we are … we are better off than our parents were(personally I mean) …
The youngsters do have difficulty with focus and being distracted much more easily … the single, free and independent aspirations coupled with a I will be a millionaire overnight attitude doesn’t help either …
I do agree with Hockey in one way … no-one is entitled to a free ride … it has to be worked for …
The harder you work the luckier you get …
Aspirations are different now. No one wants to get married in their 20s and load themselves up with a mortgage and a few kids.
So this generation has different priorities to yours TB, and that’s probably not a bad thing.
How am I to take the word of a child over one of my priests?” — the entire sorry business in a nutshell.
I heard that comment being discussed on the radio. Apparently 40 years ago the same thing would have applied to school teachers, policeman, lawyers or anybody in authority.
It is a bad look on our society that anybody working with children these days has to have some sort of certificate.
So this generation has different priorities to yours TB, and that’s probably not a bad thing.
And I have no problem with that, ToM … the world is constantly changing … the only thing that never changes is change …
But this generation wants what I have without putting in those hard yards …
You don’t score goals just by cheering from the side line …
And not everyone knows the referee …
Another cliché my kids have been taught … learn the system and use it to your advantage …
(And that doesn’t mean cheating it) …
Apparently 40 years ago the same thing would have applied to school teachers, policeman, lawyers or anybody in authority.
I think it still applies and it’s why we keep hearing about one scandal or injustice after another. Perhaps we should have more oversight of systems and more regulation and monitoring, not self regulation?
I think the police, defence and parliament investigating themselves is a recipe for cover up. There should be independent bodies for it [federal ICAC & similar for defence/police] and they should have harsher penalties applied, real jail time and heavy fines for institutional wrongdoing. Two bit thieves get more of a whack from the legal system than people in authority and white collar criminals. Good people doing nothing when they know of the crimes and a culture of prosecution of whistle blowers is justice, punishment, truth and transparency denied.
Hiding behind maintaining public trust in institutions is the sanctioning of criminal wrongdoing by all.
The youngsters do have difficulty with focus and being distracted much more easily
Bloody kids of today.
Funnily enough, it’s pretty much what was said of kids of my days.
And pretty sure it goes back further than that 😉
Mind you, there is a lot more to take the focus away these days, so it is probably exasperated by that.
Mind you, the libs are doing all they can to restrict that
More hurt for malcayman. Where to now for the libs?
WELCOME TO LA LA LAND!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/mar/01/labor-steps-up-its-campaign-against-senate-voting-reform-politics-live
Is anyone actually in charge of Australia at the moment? (Adults I mean)
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Fibre-to-the-node NBN is hardly powering on
In 2013 only 70,000 premises were connected to Labors FTTP NBN. There are now 850,000 premises connected using FTTN. So people are being connected much faster.
Labors FTTP would never be finished and bankrupt the country.
But we are stuck with NBNCo building something because Conroy signed unbreakable contracts.
But there are 12 million premises in Australia so there is still a long way to go.
Legal ethics:
Thanks, sb, for showing Robber Barons (lawyers) at work …
Like to see the list … Malcayman’s perhaps?
We are being screwed left right and centre and no-one seems to be particularly concerned …
Is it true that China now owns 30% of Australia?
sreb, there’s no sound on the video, cobber!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/01/coalitions-sugar-coated-compliments-mask-attempt-to-revive-bitterest-budget
Reminds me of more than one CEO I’ve encountered … who could talk the talk but failed miserably when it came to walking the walk!
In the vernacular … weak as piss!
“”there’s no sound on the video””
I think that’s the point….
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I think that’s the point….
Chuckle …
BREAKING West Australian Labor Senator Joe Bullock has announced he is quitting politics over his party’s position on same sex marriage
A tragedy to lose such a true, progressive leader, an icon of the contemporary ALP
He wants to spend more time with his bigotry.
His Bigotry?
Is that his boyfriend’s name?
Is he quitting before or after the stupid, money wasting plebiscite?
Louise Pratt got more votes than Joe Bullock at the last election but Joe got in because of a shoppies union factional deal where he was placed above her at the top of the ticket.
This really does highlight why we need to have both ATL and BTL voting reforms, so people really can choose their member of choice and the duds like bullock, abetz, bernardi can be easily weeded out if we want to.
It should be the voter’s choice and that choice should be facilitated to be as easy as possible, not devious manipulations by the parties where voters end up voting for the party’s choice and not their own. BTL voting has been made so hard that people will opt for the ATL option and there is no choice between candidates or even between parties for the voter.
I would like to see a media campaign to educate the public on BTL voting and it’s importance in stopping the gaming of the system by the major parties, this is just as important as the micro parties issue IMO. Perhaps a public outcry will shame the parties enough to force them to do the right thing
…Outgoing West Australian senator Louise Pratt launched a blistering attack on her Labor running mate Joe Bullock on Wednesday, labelling him a “deeply homophobic” person who is disloyal to his own party.
Senator Pratt, who conceded she would lose her seat, said Mr Bullock’s installation at the top of Labor’s ticket of WA Senate candidates highlighted the need for deeper democratisation of the party’s structures.
Senator Pratt was forced to take the second position on Labor’s Senate ticket because of a factional deal between Mr Bullock’s union, the Right-aligned Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Union (SDA), and the Left-aligned United Voice union.
The power of trade unions within Labor – especially the SDA – had undermined public faith in the party and its ability to win elections, Senator Pratt said…
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-bullock-proves-labor-partys-need-for-reform-lousie-pratt-20140416-zqvka.html#ixzz41e6wEWAN
Apparently union affiliation is good for the ALP
Warning! Pell Protection Society in full spin.
George Pell agrees to interview with Andrew Bolt
CHORTLE!
Election experts predict Senate changes will encounter High Court challenge
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/election-experts-predict-senate-changes-will-encounter-high-court-challenge-20160301-gn72ru.html
…Veteran psephologist Malcolm Mackerras said the voting changes – which would clear the way for a snap double-dissolution election likely to clean out the current crossbench – stemmed from a “filthy deal” between the Greens and the Liberal Party, “led by the unelected, dud Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull”…
…Professor Williams described the proposed new system as “incoherent” and Mr Green, who broadly supports the changes, which he said would “put preferences back in the hands of voters” said the anomaly above and below the line were “a foot in the High Court challenge”.
Mr Mackerras believes the proposed system is unconstitutional because it does not adhere to the “candidate-based” system envisaged at federation.
“The [bill] as it now stands is breathtaking in its contempt for the Australian constitution. It is a bad bill,” he said.
“It should be withdrawn and redrafted to bring it fully back to comply with the constitution.”He said it would be the “duty of a senator” to take a challenge to the High Court the day after the bill becomes law.
“I am confident such will happen. If that challenge fails I would be devastated. I would no longer be able to say that our senators are directly elected by the people.”
…Glenn Druery, the so-called micro party preference whisperers, said the changes were likely to force Labor into a formal Coalition with the Greens because they will hand the Coalition the upper-hand in the Senate on a permanent basis…
Senate voting debate blocked in bid to stop double dissolution
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/01/senate-voting-debate-blocked-in-bid-to-stop-double-dissolution
…Labor and the Senate crossbench are refusing to allow the upper house to debate laws bringing in proposed new voting rules in an attempt to deny the government the chance to call a July double dissolution election.
The Greens back the Senate changes, which ban the backroom deals that have seen micro-parties elected on a tiny number of votes, but have also come under intense pressure to stall them to prevent the government from calling a double dissolution poll straight after its May budget.
It is understood the Greens are considering some additional changes to the bill, including optional preferential voting “below the line” – but it is not clear whether they will back a crossbench plan to impose a “start date” for the laws in August, after the last possible date for calling a double dissolution.
The independent senator Nick Xenophon has said he will try to amend the bill in the Senate to introduce optional preferential voting below the line instead of requiring voters to place a number beside every candidate’s name…
George Pell wasn’t much interested in stories of abuse by priests. Which was lucky for his career
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/01/george-pell-wasnt-much-interested-in-stories-of-abuse-by-priests-which-was-lucky-for-his-career
…Had Pell made a big fuss about the abuse going on all around him as a young priest, he would not be at the Vatican. But as he told the royal commission, he stayed clear of such ‘sad stories’…
Top Vatican cardinal says handling of sex abuse that rocked Australia was ‘absolutely scandalous’
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2016/02/29/top-vatican-cardinal-says-handling-sex-abuse-that-rocked-australia-was-absolutely-scandalous/N0HqjYKMCmqTlX0Jod9ESI/story.html?event=event25
Looks like donothingbill did quite a lot, even before he was PM. He set the standard for Industrial Relations which even the CFMEU are hopping on board with
The Australian Workers’ Union (AWU) has historically been more prepared than its union rival, the CFMEU, to trade away working conditions for higher pay.
What makes this pay deal unusual is not so much the amount (substantial though it is), but the fact that both unions have signed up.
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Attacking wages is not the only path forward with Industrial Relations, which the libs just cannot seem to fathom.
I wonder how turc feels about this lol
Apparently union affiliation is good for the ALP
See above 😉
And, on the bright side, he is gone, and because his antediluvian ways couldn’t keep up with the ALP. Not bad for a worn out old party imo. What’s happening to bernadi and brough?
And Louise Pratt is apparently nominating again for that seat.
Louise Pratt isn’t the only one running there apparently. It really looks like she has no friends at all over there?
And I’m beginning to see why the libs and murdoch ran so hard against Labors world leading GFC response. No Pain, No Gain (gain for the yommpercenters that is)
About now the immense pride of `catlick-affiliation` must be setting-in with both the teabags `and` teabag-lites after the dedicated `pell` coverage on my abc24:-)
Frankly I’m over Pell … a waste of space, time and money … I find his deceit, lies, hypocrisy and mental wanderings insulting to anyone with a modicum of intelligence … just because he wears a dress and funny skull cap to work does not make the prat saintly!
Pell … and church PEOPLE like him … are abominations of the devil itself (if you believe in such nonsense!)
pay that!
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The way George Pell is having his reputation attacked in this Royal Commission is “a sad story and of not much interest to me”.
Surely worthy of a Royal Commission itself … at least there will be some “real” outcomes … won’t there?
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Unions influence the Labor Party is spruiked as an anti-labor meme, but the Liberal Paty’s ant democratic party processes don’t get a mention. Party members can’t choose a candidate in the Libs.
John Howard and Liberal branch protest ‘vindictive’ suspensions of party members after 7.30 interview
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-02/john-howard-protest-vindictive-suspension-730-three/7213734
…Former Liberal prime minister John Howard has criticised the suspensions of three party members who urged reforms during interviews with the ABC’s 7.30 program.
Former federal parliamentary secretary Ross Cameron, Charlie Lynn, who served in the New South Wales upper house for 20 years, and branch member Juris Laucis were suspended for calling for the Liberal Party’s democratisation…
…Mr Howard, prime minister from 1996 until 2007, also backed the push to allow party members a vote on candidates.
“I think the preselection process for choosing candidates in NSW is too narrow. I have long argued in favour of having plebiscites,” he said.
Mr Howard also said the party was “too heavily influenced by factions” and risked losing members…
Is this the same greedy, grasping nurses who were ‘double dipping’ on their maternity leave? Now they are wealthy investors who will be harmed by negative gearing changes.
Since Plain Packaging laws & excise rise, volume of tobacco consumed is down 22.2%.
Cue our version of Catching Up to pop in and argue ### and ,,,,,,,,,,,, *** ###… or something… or nothing…
Live: Prime Minister confirms investigation into leak of classified defence documents
Malcolm Turnbull has told Question Time the head of the Defence Department is investigating the leaking of classified information about the submarine tendering process.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-02/abc-federal-politics-live-blog-march-2/7212932
Prime Minister confirms investigation into leak of classified defence documents
IT”S ON!!
Mind you, from all appearances, yabot has the “investigators” on a short leash. Not much will come of this imo.
What a fkn frazzle … and this bunch reckon they can govern the economy and the country … I call bullshit!
Incompetent, internally destructive amateurs …
Bunch’a fkn Nero’s!
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Defence Force chief at odds with Tony Abbott claim that Malcolm Turnbull has delayed new submarines
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-force-chief-at-odds-with-tony-abbott-claim-that-malcolm-turnbull-has-delayed-new-submarines-20160302-gn8aco.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Atwi-13omn1677-edtrl-other%3Annn-17%2F02%2F2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o%26sa%3DD%26usg%3DALhdy28zsr6qiq#ixzz41iX2BjLP
Distorts market & promotes inflationary speculation
Yes, but it distorts it to the advantage of the advantaged. They don’t like distortions that work the other way is all 😉
Frankly,,,,,,I`m over rabbit/blib/talkbull .. a waste of space, time and money .. I find his deceit, lies, hypocrisy and mental wanderings insulting to anyone with a modicum of intelligence,,,,,,
#well said teebz:-)
Ha-ha armchair,
# ,, it must be a hard day for tinfoil`osy as his `secondary-blog` starts looking a lot like his `primary-blog` when it comes to his precious catlick defending, let`s hope the monkey-pod lets him in when he bangs on their door seeking solace:-)
BOARDROOMS SHOULD DIG WHERE THEY WANT TO
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-01/partial-building-collapse-in-enfield-sydney/7209360
BOARDROOM DIGS ARE ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2016/02/29/4413666.htm
BOARDROOMS ALWAYS ENSURE SAFETY
This is a football promotion ?????????????
Just as well we have a sense of humour………………..Yikes !
https://twitter.com/GZEvergrandeFC
https://twitter.com/GZEvergrandeFC/media
TB,,,,,Is it true that China now owns 30% of Australia?,,,,,
# ,, it doesn`t matter ,, they own 90% of our politicians which is more effective
So where are all the Tim supporters then…….??
wally, I assume you are referring to this?
Imagine the other way around … ie Beijing Landing!
Tim who?
This is absolutely DELICIOUS…
http://politicalowl.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/abbott-turnbull-conflict-goes-nuclear.html?spref=tw
Hey Neil:
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Yep we have an emergency. What is your point?
The Coalition in its first budget tried to do something about it but were called mean and nasty.
Fact is we are screwed. Let us hope the people we are in debt to show us mercy.
DELICIOUS
I think you meant RIDICULOUS …
Playing with Defence White Papers can be very dangerous …
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Gold class this arvo …
“13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi”
If you like “true story” war films … then I heartily suggest you go along to see, “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi”
Obviously set in Libya … just after being “liberated” from Gaddafi rule by local forces … a covert US “mission” included a small number of CIA, GRS operatives.
A US Ambassador arrives … and the story unfolds …
Runs for 2 hours 24 mins, fast paced, plenty of action, believable and clever script (military humour is the same everywhere) … very well made film (come to think of it … expect a Bin Laden op soon I suspect … if only someone would tackle, The Battle of Long Tan!)
Some of the dialogue was the now usual American mumble … and strangely enough, no subtitles … but not essential – obviously.
The Minister: ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐
TB: ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐
Note: I did not once say … that’s silly … a very professional product …
The Coalition in its first budget tried to do something about it but were called mean and nasty. to the poor, the young, the sick, the old, the unemployed and uni students …
“Tim who?”
I wondered the same thing. It’s a Jock thing, apparently.
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Tim
Catching Up –
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You make a good point.
to the poor, the young, the sick, the old, the unemployed and uni students …
It is amazing what people say to justify their perverted and immoral beliefs.
Now TB of Queensland is bringing out the lame, cripple, sick, unemployed people to justify his vote.
but were called mean and nasty.
Did it occur to you that that was because they were simply mean and nasty?
You make a good point.
He had me at ##,,
Meanwhile, the journos appear to be noticing that yabot is/was a dangerous psychopath
Breathtaking breach of basic responsibility from an ex-PM
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/breathtaking-breach-of-basic-responsibility-from-an-expm-20160302-gn8rns.html#ixzz41jvKqCPS
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Too little too late muppets!
Did it occur to you that that was because they were simply mean and nasty?
No.
Lefties only bring out the sick, unemployed, crippled, lame when it suits their political beliefs.
Lefties locked up 8,000 kids but only got out of bed when Abbott was elected. Now there are less than 80 kids in detention there are some protests.
“Tim who?”
Wasn’t he a famous Enchanter?
“Wasn’t he a famous Enchanter?”
That is correct.
Did it ever occur to you nil that you are a paranoid zealot?
that is correct.
I knew if I mouthed off long enough I’d hit the payload!
Don’t stop now nil 🙂
Did it ever occur to you nil that you are a paranoid zealot?
Yep.
But i have made my mind up. Lefties use the crippled, lame, unemployed, sick for political purposes.
I came to that conclusion back on Tim Dunlops blog in 2007.
But i have made my mind up. Lefties use the crippled, lame, unemployed, sick for political purposes.
I forgot to add refugees. Did anybody notice some Doctors protesting about something recently?
I do not recall these Doctors protesting when Labor locked up 50,000 asylum seekers and 8,000 kids.
Apparently none of these people got sick until Abbott was elected.
This is absolutely DELICIOUS…
Good mate greg sheridan will protect abbott on the pretense of ‘anonymous source’
Haven’t the AFP got all the metadata now though? no excuse for them not getting their man.
hehe, abbott can’t contain his rage and his giant sense of thwarted entitlement. He and his christian fascist mates will lose them the next election and he wouldn’t give a damn. His ego is bigger than any loyalty to the party that has supported him for decades. They should expel him now.
Such an unlucky couple 😆
Man found dead inside Kathy Jackson’s house
http://www.afr.com/news/man-found-dead-inside-kathy-jacksons-house-20160302-gn8pr7
Oh, things just keep on getting more delic, or insane, depending on your capacity for swallowing shit sandwiches. I mean, it is only taxpayers money after all
The company building the national broadband network has quietly trialled a new, low-cost fibre-to-the-premises technology that could achieve the speed and reliability of an all-fibre system to the home, as originally intended by Labor, but at a reduced construction price.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-trials-cheaper-allfibre-option-20160302-gn8cj3.html#ixzz41mUEbstm
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Yea, good luck keeping that quiet malcayman, it’s not like that’s a lonely journalist at the ABC simply trying to do his job without “fear or favour”
And in the “no shit Sherlock” category. In fact, I’m pretty sure Ross covered that in one of his articles, probably one that got canned until post election.
A well placed source in the company said that a reduction in cost-per-connection, as a result of improved technology, had always been expected as the giant project proceeded.
Analyse That Look….
He’d be a great one to play poker against by the looks ao 😉
I saw someone on PB (c@tmomma I think) label him “The Loaded Dog”. I’m just waiting to see a cartoonist take that one up (if they haven’t already), it’s just so apt.
OH . MY . DOG! 😯
lol, morriscums making hockey look credible, Not an easy task I’ll admit
“BIS Shrapnel admits they didnt model our policy”
ROFLMAO
And why is that………..?……..well its because the fuckwits in the ALP wont release their modelling………….because there is none
well its because the fuckwits in the ALP wont release their modelling
er, are you saying that Bullshitshrapnel were going to model modelling? lol
Here’s a little explainer wally 😉
So how did Morrison reach that conclusions????
And wasn’t the modelling done by BIS …
Missed the point again, wally, the mob ewe support are a wooly brained lot.
I see from Tr’s, comment above … even the “experts” are giggling at the ineptitude of the Liberals and their cronies …
Keep it up … we may not have Trickle Down Economics but we do have Trickle Down Politics … eventually the plebs “get it” …
“….even the “experts” are giggling…….”
ROFLMAO at YOU
Since when is the Grattan Institute full of “experts”…….how hilarious
“er, are you saying that Bullshitshrapnel were going to model modelling? lol”
No but they could use the paranmeters that the ALP wont release.
So where is the ALP modelling………….is there any or uis this just another brainfart from the ALP and it rusted ons ?????????????
BIS Shrapnel throws negative gearing modelling poop
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/03/bis-shrapnel-monkey-throws-negative-gearing-modelling-poop/
…BIS Shrapnel has today joined the monkeys throwing negative gearing poop with new “modelling” for a “confidential client” (we’d guess the property lobby or the Liberal Party backbenchers we know were mulling this) that forecasts impending doom if negative gearing is limited to new dwellings, as proposed by Labor…
…So, restricting negative gearing to newly constructed dwellings would somehow crash dwelling construction, raise rents, and destroy employment, the Budget and the economy? Even in its own terms this makes no sense. How does a sagging economy and rising unemployment lead to a rental cost spike? Hint: it doesn’t…
…In response to this new low in lobbying, Labor’s shadow treasurer and assistant treasurer, Chris Bowen and Andrew Leigh, issued a press release debunking BIS “modelling”:…
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Eric Abetz hit the airwaves this am saying that “it wasn’t necessarily a parliamentarian that leaked the report”
You’re right eric, it must have been abbott or andrews’ cleaner! 😆
No but they could use the paranmeters that the ALP wont release.
That would have proven difficult, considering this bulshitshrapnel report was written BEFORE Labor released their policy
Here’s one that was actually done AFTER the policy was released, and so could use the parameters (not the “modelling”) of the policy
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/independent-modelling-backs-labors-negative-gearing-policy-20160219-gmyl8o.html
Apparently Leith van Onselen is no longer an “expert” ao, or all those scribblers at AFR 😉
Hilarious TomR………..it offers no opinion on the effect on house prices.
You just get funnier and funnier
What’s even funnier is you defending bullshitshrapnel for attacking Labors policy with modelling that didn’t use Labors policy as parameters.
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
But, this cuts to chase better than any bullshit modelling
At least wally’s never promised to respect our intelligence, or pretend he has any himself 😉
More “inteleGents”
House prices won’t fall if negative gearing is restricted to new properties and the capital gains discount halved, a majority of economists say.
Three-quarters of 50 economists polled by the Labor-aligned McKell Institute said house prices would continue to grow over the long term under Labor’s proposal, assuming no other changes to broader market trends.
…………
But the author of the BIS Shrapnel report, Kim Hawtrey, has told ABC Radio that the modelling was undertaken last year, at the request of a private client, and was not an evaluation of Labor’s policy proposal. It does not, for example, include the impact of halving the capital gains tax concession.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/house-prices-wont-fall-if-negative-gearing-restricted-economists-20160302-gn95q3.html#ixzz41naN0mPN
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Keep on battin’ though wally 😉
CATLYK KOMPASSION!
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/author-banned-from-discussing-his-book-at-speaking-engagements-after-coming-out-as-gay/news-story/983ed411904a5455a44ec4bfb14dda56
oops, sorry for repeat of tomR’s tweet, I wasn’t paying attention 😳
“Three-quarters of 50 economists polled by the Labor-aligned McKell Institute”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/house-prices-wont-fall-if-negative-gearing-restricted-economists-20160302-gn95q3.html#ixzz41ndaxqln
Who got polled……………Wayne Swan, Chris Bowen ?………………….ROFLMAO
Who got polled
“Former Reserve Bank governor Bernie Fraser”
Well, that’s what the story says anyway wally 😉
The Liberals really are unravelling quickly … what a difference a poll makes …
Even the Liberal Supporters Club are scrabbling …
Laughable …
“Former Reserve Bank governor Bernie Fraser”
LOL………yeah and he’s not Left aligned is he.
You need to try harder
…Perhaps the Treasurer should have been alerted to the problems with the BIS Shrapnel report on page 1, in which it refers to Australia’s national income as $190 billion. In fact, Australia’s GDP is $1.6 trillion. It is New Zealand that has a GDP of $190 billion. If the Treasurer thinks a report which confuses the Australian economy with the New Zealand economy is credible, then no wonder his colleagues are rapidly losing faith in his judgment…
You need to try harder
Leith van Onselen
Former Reserve Bank governor Bernie Fraser
The AFR
Plus all the lefties you hate
It’s a big(and growing) list
Even bullshitshrapnel have admitted that they didn’t model Labors policy, and that they got basic shit wrong.
Labor seized on an error, which appeared on the first page of the report and was repeated in media coverage on Thursday, that claimed Australia’s national annual income was $190 billion – about the size of New Zealand’s.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-under-fire-after-bis-shrapnel-report-used-to-attack-labor-contained-crucial-errors-20160302-gn93kj.html
I think it is well past the towel throwing stage wally 😉
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bis-shrapnels-negative-gearing-report-is-manifestly-ridiculous-20160302-gn8sv0
Looks like Walrus got pwned..
(If that’s still a thing)
When will wally find anyone on “his side”
“Mr Shorten could not offer his own commissioned modelling on his policy, but said the issue had been “modelled to death” by the Australian National University and the union-aligned McKell Institute.”
Keep trying
Where is that ALP modelling by the way. Why wont they release it ?
I’ll tell you why…………………….It doesnt exist
TONY Abbott is supremely indifferent to the damage he might cause the Turnbull prime ministership as he aggressively exercises his right to comment widely…
…It is that indifference and indulgence, rather than evidence of actual leaks, which is ensuring the tensions and anger of last September’s leadership change have barely dissipated.
Tony Abbott has made clear he’s not staying in Parliament to make sure Malcolm Turnbull has a comfortable time in Australia’s hardest job.
Whether it is defence policy or economic management, the Abbott view is heard no matter the effect on the standing of the government.
There is a significant section of the government benches running out of patience with Mr Abbott’s passive-aggressive campaign just months out from a federal election.
The numbers will increase as the damage toll rises…
TPP: Would anybody mind if the deal fell over?
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/close-but-no-transpacific-partnership-cigar-hillary-20160301-gn7pjo
…Willful blindness over the benefits wouldn’t matter so much if there wasn’t also wilful blindness to the costs. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade appears to have never examined any of Australia’s 18 free trade agreements after the event, but the Australian National University has. Ten years after the US-Australia free trade agreement it found it had cut rather than boosted trade…
Where is that ALP modelling by the way. Why wont they release it ?
I’ll tell you why…………………….It doesnt exist
Because the thieving, lying libs would pinch it, that’s why.
How come the party of supposedly free markets doesn’t want a policy that will curtail the government’s intervention & inflation of a housing market?
Why would they want a policy that only makes wealthy investors better off and prevents a generation from owning a house?
“Looks like Walrus got pwned..”
Really……..well that’s news to me. Perhaps that’s why I feel down. Hang on………….I’ll just take a look at my bank balance.
Ahhhhhhhhh…………………I feel much better now thanks
Where is that ALP modelling by the way. Why wont they release it ?
Who cares where their internal modelling is. Two independent agencies have modeled it (the actual policy that is, not some airy fairy crap from before the policy was released), and given it a very positive outcome.
If you have an issue with the independent modelling, take it up with them, in the same way that the bullshitshrapnel model has been, with facts.
That’s if you can 😉
My view on this is whatever the ALP does is bad for Australia.
Playing devils advocate it is possible that the Bisshrapenel report modeled the future ALP policy perfectly.
Fact is whatever the ALP does is bad for Australia and everybody who lives here.
Awkward…
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“”My view on this is whatever the ALP does is bad for Australia.””
BREAKING NEWS.
BREAKING NEWS.
I’m just glad that nil has stopped posting as wally, it was getting kind of embarrassing
Awkward…
malcayman sitting down for horderves with The Loaded Dog, what could be better. 🙂
After the way yabots office sat Gillard next to rudd at Gough Whitlam’s funeral, you’d have to ask did he have a hand in this?
How can such a duplicitous bastard hold such sway?
(If that’s still a thing)
So the kiddies tell me 😉
Looks like Walrus got pwned..
(If that’s still a thing)
Nah! He gets pwned all the time (just doesn’t know it) …
I must say I admire his “determination” very useful in a fire fight! 😉
“Treasurer has now, nailed his credibility to a report with no credibility.”</I.
And around mid-day on my car radio (and others I assume) attempted to "defend" the indefensible … scrabble anyone?
The numbers will increase as the damage toll rises…
That’s the poll numbers for Labor …
My view on this is whatever the ALP does is bad for Australia.
No-one gives fuck about your “view”, Kneel …
The negative gearing argument revolves around two issues …
1. Providing more housing for first and other home OWNERS (encouraging new home construction thus increasing supply and lowering demand and thus lowering prices.
2. Providing less housing to increase house prices for asset INVESTORS and thus increasing prices.
The economy has always surged with increased housing construction … because of the spin off to so many other industries and tradespeople …
Liberal policies (the few there are) are actually stagnating the economy and subsequent revenue … once again driven by ideology rather than economic logic …
The House of Cards will tumble … Liberals are for the gamblers (more losers than winners) … Labor for the people …
Every time Morriscum puts his head up a sniper pops him … he’s not dealing with unarmed asylum seekers with a Border Force (due to go on strike – medals an’ all) in front of him.
Morriscum has reached his Peter Principle, Level of Incompetence … along with his boss …
Defend Morriscum all you want … from now on he’ll be gazumped!
Defend Morriscum all you want
Don’t worry, Andrew Leigh is there to help out 😉
Liberal policies (the few there are) are actually stagnating the economy and subsequent revenue
Every Labor govt in the lifetime of Australians has stuffed the economy. I cannot think of one successful ALP govt.
… Labor for the people …
IT’S A SAD STORY AND WASN’T OF MUCH INTEREST TO ME
Hmmm….. true of a few comments here
Hmmm….. true of a few comments here
Refer: Tom of Melbourne
Refer: Tom of Melbourne
That occurred o me too TB, yomm bravely crawls out from underneath his ivory rock too put up a picture. And then complains about the value of “comments”
As some one once “commented”
The fallout from the bullshitshrapnel “modelling” begins
The Australia Institute is calling for a code of conduct to be introduced in the wake of the saga surrounding modelling produced by BIS Shrapnel on Thursday, which purports to show the economic consequences of restricting negative gearing to new residential properties.
The modelling was being championed by Treasurer Scott Morrison, who said it showed Labor’s proposal on negative gearing was ill-designed.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/call-for-code-of-conduct-for-economic-modellers-after-saga-surrounding-bis-shrapnel-negative-gearing-modelling-20160303-gn9nv9.html#ixzz41sgzS9GI
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Sad that it might need to get to this. But, this is not the first time jumk modelling has been used (the libs have a history). It is refreshing to see the rapidity and accuracy with which much of the media highlighted it this time though. If they could be trusted to do their job, we probably don’t need code of conduct, but previous “debates”, such as NBN and Climate Pricing, shows that bullshit rules the day.
“Liberal policies (the few there are) are actually stagnating the economy and subsequent revenue … once again driven by ideology rather than economic logic … ”
What a load of CRAP !
“Australia is close to top of leader board of advanced economies after unexpectedly posting GDP growth of 3.0 per cent in 2015, economists say……………..”
GDP grew by 0.6 per cent in the December quarter, according the Australian Bureau of Statistics on Wednesday.
scomo doing some more “economic” modelling. Or is that wally?
It’s good to see the economists very loudly pushing back against scomo’s claims of the benefits of N Gearing.They know that it is way past time that the policy [which does benefit only a few wealthy] was stopped.
Here is a very good rebuttal of scomo trying to defend the indefensible in parliament.
Morrison painting a false picture of negative gearing
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2016/03/03/morrison-painting-false-picture-negative-gearing-laws/
ANALYSIS: Treasurer Scott Morrison’s communication skills are first class. But his economic arguments against property tax reform are appallingly flawed.
Tony Abbott no Kevin Rudd ‘at this stage’, cabinet minister Mathias Cormann says
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-no-kevin-rudd-at-this-stage-cabinet-minister-mathias-cormann-says-20160303-gna76o.html#ixzz41srrqiuL
…Former Howard government minister Peter Reith also savaged Mr Abbott’s actions, and said his public comments on submarines were “a classic case of deliberate destabilisation”.
“In an election year, that sort of behaviour goes down very badly with everybody, particularly those who are hanging on to their seats. They will not be pleased with him,” Mr Reith said.
The AFP investigation into the leak was a “waste of time” and would only serve to put more attention on the government’s problems, he said.
Mr Reith argued Mr Abbott’s intervention against negative gearing at a Liberal party room meeting on Tuesday was “more devastating” than his comments on submarines, because it effectively took negative gearing changes off the table.
“There’s now nothing on that bloody table, and it means the budget is going to be a do-nothing budget,” Mr Reith said.
Senior Liberal MP Philip Ruddock has also criticised Mr Abbott’s conduct this week, calling his commentary “inappropriate”. Another Liberal MP said the former PM was being “a pain in the arse”…
“Deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce went further, accusing Mr Bowen of practising “Zoolander economics” and orchestrating a “complete re-engineering of the Australian economy”.”
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/business-investments-smashed-under-labors-policy-malcolm-turnbull-20160303-gn9tnx.html
The slow-motion death of conservative politics
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/malcolm-turnbull-in-the-middle-of-an-upheaval-of-conservative-politics-20160302-gn93e1
…The disruption wreaked by Tony Abbott is an echo of the disruption that besets conservative parties worldwide…
…And is it so different here? Well, in a way, yes. A moderate is presently in the top job and the reactionary forces aren’t yet taking endorsements from former Ku Klux Klan wizards (they’ll have to settle for Reclaim Australia for now). But there’s an important commonality too: that the contradictions that were once holding conservative parties together, and delivering them political success, have now fallen apart. The most important of these is the contradiction between liberal economics and the politics of “values”.
It’s hard to be the staunch defenders of family, culture and tradition while you’re also staunch advocates of things like high-skilled immigration and workplace “flexibility” of the kind WorkChoices offered. It’s hard to believe the market should be free to exploit and commodify whatever consumers will tolerate – sex, culture, children – and yet pretend we are bound together by inviolable, sacred values…
GDP grew by 0.6 per cent in the December quarter
Gee! An historical quarter! Look FORWARD!
How accurate are the stats? … ABS has limited resources thanks to the Liberal government. 😉
Our FTTW (wherever) now puts us 50> in the optic fibre broadband … and will now put industry and commerce back decades and cost way more … waste …
Our renewable energy manufacturing is virtually nil …
Education needs more than a money shake up …
Infrastructure – what infrastructure?
Agricultural development … that’s the rest of Oz outside the city limits BTW …
And then we have …
► Multi-national Tax
► Negative Gearing
► Trust Funds
► Super Tax for Rich
► Pollie’s Perqs and Pay
► Ex-Pollies Perqs
We have a Revenue problem … and a Spending problem in the wrong areas … and you quote me a quarter?
The Treasurer is way out of his depth … arrogant to the point of ignorance …
Garaged Petri Dish
It seems the libs have struck on the ‘social engineering’ theme [teh gays and safe schools etc] and now the PR spinners have created ‘economic engineering’.
Financial and social engineering – hold onto your hats people and get out your panty liners our society will never, ever be the same again, squirt, squirt!
Unfortunately for them, that is exactly what people want!
Mr Reith argued Mr Abbott’s intervention against negative gearing at a Liberal party room meeting on Tuesday was “more devastating” than his comments on submarines, because it effectively took negative gearing changes off the table.
So who’s running the Liberal Party again?
Hypocrites … that’s who …
Lets go this way … nah this looks better … but the other lot are going there … oh, we’d better go the other way then … nope, we can’t that didn’t work last time … who’s going to remember? OK … no, I liked the first way best … on and fkn on …
We have a Revenue problem … and a Spending problem in the wrong areas … and you quote me a quarter?
The Treasurer is way out of his depth … arrogant to the point of ignorance …
Says the man who created this problem because of his vote in 2007. Within 12 months after the 2007 election the ALP had turned a $20B budget surplus into a $20B deficit and we have never recovered.
Fact is the ALP does not do surplus budgets because it really does not believe in them.
Why would you need more housing?
Homelessness on the rise in Sydney
More affordable housing is needed to combat the growing number of people sleeping on Sydney’s streets, Lord Mayor Clover Moore says.
Almost 500 people were found sleeping rough in the inner city during the biannual street count in February, the highest number in six years.
“This is a tragic situation and I’m deeply saddened by the dramatic rise in numbers,” Lord Mayor Clover Moore said in a statement on Friday.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/homelessness-on-the-rise-in-sydney/news-story/015a07087448d05882ceff80f424d355
Australia IS being left behind …
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/03/oregon-coal-climate-law-kate-brown
How accurate are the stats?
The bigger issue is, even if we accept those stats, most of the spending came from consumers dipping into savings. Economists don’t see that lasting, especially as wages continue to shrink against inflation.
And there is nothing in the libs “plan” to address this.
I read the other day the underlying buoyancy was the libs massive splurge on defense. You know, they are currently running a stimulus program, we don’t hear much about that though, do we.
Fact is the ALP does not do surplus budgets because…………….. of the GFC perhaps?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/03/us-agency-says-has-beaten-elon-musk-gates-to-holy-grail-battery-storage
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-14/gates-pritzkers-take-on-musk-in-5-billion-race-for-new-battery
“Gee! An historical quarter! Look FORWARD!”
LOL………………………Shakes head
LOL………………………Shakes head
Careful it doesn’t drop off there wally 😉
[crikey $] Tips and rumours:
Beleaguered Business Council making all the wrong moves:
…Voters believe the major reform that’s needed is for big companies to pay their fair share of tax. Worse, their own allies have turned on them. Liberal powerbroker Michael Kroger savaged the BCA’s contribution to the tax debate and called for council head Jennifer Westacott to be dumped.
Discredited even in the eyes of their own allies, the council has launched an offensive to regain traction in the debate, with favoured outlet The Australian Financial Review and its favourite editor, Michael Stutchbury, devoting considerable space to a BCA “roundtable” yesterday, featuring the Commonwealth Bank’s Ian Narev, Qantas union-buster Alan Joyce, the ASX’s Elmer Funke Kupper and Coca-Cola Amatil MD Alison Watkins, along with Westacott and Council president Catherine Livingstone…
..But worse was Funke Kupper, who is reported as saying it is “almost a shame … if you ask me personally, [that] we didn’t have a deeper downturn to wake us up [to] the heavy lifting that we’re going to have to do, which countries like New Zealand have had to do”.
Think about that for a moment: this is one of Australia’s most senior business figures (who runs the ASX, the company with the fattest profit margins in Australia) openly saying we should have had a worse economic downturn — which would have shuttered more businesses and brought with it misery for Australians — so that it would be easier to impose the BCA’s agenda of tax cuts for companies and cuts to wages and conditions.
While Funke Kupper dissociated himself from the BCA in expressing that view, it is an eloquent reflection of the mindset of much of the Australian business community: the rest of us should be made to suffer for the benefit of their bottom lines…
…But with an immaculately disastrous sense of timing, the whole affair was carried the morning of yesterday’s national accounts figures, which showed the economy turning in a stronger-than-expected performance and returning to trend growth, with a 2015 growth figure of 3%…
Ideas boom — and bust.
…Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has got everyone thinking about innovation and agility. Lucky we have the University of Queensland’s Business School, which is now offering one-day courses in “offshoring” — yes, that’s courses in how to move parts of your business away from Australia. According to a press release, the course will be taught by Mark and Aimee Engelmann, who were named Business News Australia’s Brisbane Young Entrepreneur Trailblazers of the Year last year…
…Some how we don’t think that’s the innovation Turnbull was so keen on…
Voters believe the major reform that’s needed is for big companies to pay their fair share of tax.
Like most things leftish these major reforms only appear when the Coalition is in power.
Why don’t you leftie deadbeats do something when in power. Gillard had enough numbers in both houses to pass any legislation she wanted.
But no. Taxing the crap out of people only appears when the Coalition is in power.
Why don’t you leftie deadbeats do something when in power.
Ask yourself about all of the reforms hockey undid once he became treasurer nil and then rethink your statement 😉
Ask yourself about all of the reforms hockey undid once he became treasurer nil and then rethink your statement
I meant something useful. Why scream about something Labor could have done something about when in power but did nothing?
“…But no. Taxing the crap out of people only appears when the Coalition is in power…”
That’s because it’s only the Coalition that ever wants to tax the crap out of people to benefit wealthy mates! hint, gst
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Careful it doesn’t drop off there wally 😉
He drops off his chair a lot too …
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
“…But no. Taxing the crap out of people only appears when the Coalition is in power…”
Oh how we laughed and laughed and laughed!
“Lib MPs fear Abbott could blow election chances”
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/lib-mps-fear-abbott-could-blow-election-chances-20160302-gn91pw?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Atwi-14omn0055-optim-nnn%3Anonpaid-27062014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-afr-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter#ixzz41vD9tKvB
Look, we all know that it can be tough earning a living as a “musician” so it’s good to see that TB has earnt himself some buckshee quids doing a bit of modelling work..
Looks like Alan Joyce has feelings
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/perpetual/alan-joyce-says-management-diversity-was-key-to-getting-qantas-through-turbulent-times/news-story/5afe123042f7d2e20b8d3a5f001477b8
Mr Joyce said that he only ever considered quitting once, when he was doing a live interview on breakfast TV shortly after announcing a transformation program that included making 5000 staff redundant.
“The darkest moment [was] when I was being interviewed by one of the breakfast TV show hosts and this man travelling through the park released two dogs which were Jack Russells. They ran over to me while he was abusing us for making the people redundant,” Mr Joyce recalled.
“The dogs were biting at my ankles and down the line of the camera, the two hosts had just done an opinion poll that said 90 per cent of people thought you should have resigned. And maybe at that moment I did think why am I doing this? But that was probably the only time.”
Qantas is now the best performing airline in the world on a Total Shareholder Return basis and Mr Joyce predicted an even rosier future, particularly as a result of the company’s code share agreement with China Eastern Airlines.
This will probably upset someone, for some reason.
Dr Pozzi at Home, John Singer Sargent, 1881.
Not as stylish as those walkshortsocks, of course.
Abbott frolic can only end badly
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-frolic-can-only-end-badly-20160304-gnb1rt.html
…The question now is how does this play out? What is the end game? Abbott remains determined to go around again. His colleagues say he is motivated by a lethal mix of hatred (for virtually every member of the current cabinet) and the burning desire for vindication…
I hear we’re on the same show next month, Jummy!
Not as stylish as those walkshortsocks, of course.
Fan of Pell I see, ToSY … or just shirt-tailing again … ?
“duo who couldn’t govern to save themselves”
Yea, but pretty talented at getting opposition leaders elected. Well on their way to getting a second opposition leader in succession elected 😉
Well on their way to getting a second opposition leader in succession elected 😉
Agree, TR … just been reading comments around the “news” and blogs … many folk are now saying what we’ve said for some time … using words and phrases like, puppet, controlled, weak, panicked, incompetent, going backwards, same Abbott, left his principles behind, no idea, no policies, hypocrite, weak, no policies, no research, scare mongering, rabble, run by far right, self-centred, destroying economy, just vote ’em out, buggered/fucked the NBN, innovation would mean getting rid of tax breaks and loopholes for the rich … etc. etc.
Quite heartwarming really … 😀
With any luck “Sir” Rupert might bonk himself brainless … oh wait!
buggered/fucked the NBN
Well if Labor gets back in at the next election you can change back FTTN to FTTP and we can see how the people who think they know everything can build something.
see how the people who think they know everything can build something.
The same way they did before, successfully 😉
According to ToM, Gen Y have a different set of values to and approach to life and living to BB’s … I wonder?
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/sunday-style/culture/real-housewives-of-gen-y-rise-of-the-millennial-homemaker/news-story/e851280ad6f501baa97e6e78a25f8506
ROBBER BARONS CAUGHT (By the ABC)!
But Will Anyone Be Accountable? As Usual NO!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/05/commonwealth-bank-admits-failing-customers-over-heart-attack-claims
I prefer to live in a society of people … rather than die from an economic process!
The same way they did before, successfully
I must admit TomR your comments are very provocative. There were only 70,000 premises connected to Labors FTTP before they lost the 2013 election. Now as everyone knows getting something started does take a lot of time so the slow uptake could possibly be put down to the project being slow to start with initial teething problems which always occur with a new project.
There are now 850.000 premises connected to the NBN so it is going much faster.
But i think it is going much faster because the Coalition is doing FTTN rather than FTTP. Even at this much faster rate it will still take a lot of time to connect to the 12,000,000 premises that have to be connected.
Labors FTTP would never be finished and nobody knows how much it would cost.
Don’t, TR … please don’t. 😦
please don’t
What, posit that nils post are very ignorant? 🙂
There are now 850.000 premises disconnected from the NBN and reconnected to the LNPMTMN so it is going much slower.
But i think it is going much faster because the Coalition is doing FTTCu rather than FTTP. Even at this much faster rate it will still take a lot of time to pretend connect to the 12,000,000 premises that have to be connected to the NoNBN.
Coalitions MTMN would never be finished and nobody knows how much it would make at slash-price Network Co firesale.
And for all those people that said what a waste of money desal plants were … we did warn you that they would eventually pay off …
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/victorias-desalination-plant-to-be-turned-on-as-water-storages-plummet/news-story/3ad8341a4446d43ea832470a6cc39d12?sv=c3bb4a66f407834328ca25e6d137ec4f
I find it amusing that Victoria’s desal plant has never been used. I have seen costs of $30B for build and running costs over 20 years for the desal plant.
Everybody in Victoria could have been given a rainwater tank for much less. End of problem.
I love going to news.com these days, all I ever see is
“This Connection is Untrusted”
Which I’ve assumed for years, but it’s good to know that even internet protocols don’t trust the shit from there anymore.
Everybody in Victoria could have been given a rainwater tank for much less. End of problem.
LOL! Yep, a rainwater tank automatically fills with water … you must thiMk before you comment, kneel …
Which I’ve assumed for years, but it’s good to know that even internet protocols don’t trust the shit from there anymore.
I think I’ve mentioned before, TR, that I only use news.com.au as a source so that the RWNJ can’t say that I’m biased with my source … but I find the Guardian is far more newsworthy and accurate …
sreb, must have gone up to the Mardi Gras?
LOL! Yep, a rainwater tank automatically fills with water … you must thiMk before you comment, kneel …
I did and i knew you would make that comment. You should take your own advice.
Desal plants are most probably the most environmentally unfriendly way to produce water. And it eventually rains in Australia. You store water in the good times and use in during the bad times.
I suspect not only Victoria but all of Australia could have been provided with rainwater tanks free of charge with the money spent on just one desal plant solving our water problems for the next 100 years.
I suspect not only Victoria but all of Australia could have been provided with rainwater tanks free of charge with the money spent on just one desal plant solving our water problems for the next 100 years.
If you believe that … do you have a rainwater tank?
If you believe that … do you have a rainwater tank?
No i don’t. Until recently they were banned. And now it is too late. It is more efficient to put in a rainwater tank when the house is being built..
I have relatives in regional NSW who built a new house and the rainwater tank was placed under the house. They have an electric pump to get the water into the house. When the water runs out they get water from the dam.
It is a crime that every house in Australia does not have a rainwater tank. I guess in some areas you would not drink the water but you could use it to wash your clothes and have a bath in it.
Until recently they were banned.
What the? 😯
In the bizarro world of turc militancy, the afr has a story up full of “allegations” involving the CFMEU and how bad and naughty they are, only to slip in right at the end a PREVIOUS allegation that has come to nothing.
Will heydons biased witch hunt get ANYTHING right, EVER?
Meanwhile, legal action against the union’s ACT secretary Dean Hall will not be pursued by the Director of Public Prosecutions as it has fallen outside the statutory time period.
The investigation of Mr Hall involved allegations of intimidation of a WorkSafe inspector on a Claxton construction site in Canberra in 2013.
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/building-firms-running-unlawful-closed-shop-says-watchdog-nigel-hadgkiss-20160306-gnbqcu#ixzz42A0Aj1rC
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What’s the score now for turc, zip/4 against? or is it even more failures from the coven?
What the?
Until recently rainwater tanks were banned in Sydney. If you got connected to the mains water supply you had to get rid of your rainwater tank if you had one. I don’t think that applies anymore.
This is one reason rainwater tanks were banned
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/where-the-suburbs-overflow-with-water-tanks/story-e6frg6nf-1111112807496
Rainwater tanks all but vanished from Brisbane’s suburban landscape after they were banned in the 1960s by the council, which then regarded them as mosquito breeding grounds.
I have no idea what you are referring to nil. If you cannot supply a source, I’ll just call bullshit (again). But, in doing a google, I came upon your friends site, which doesn’t help your previous theory about everyone having a water tank solving drought issues. Water tanks are VERY limited in capacity, and most often used for extras such as watering and toilets. They are not really a viable replacement for a large cities water resource, but are a valuable tool in minimising its capacity requirements.
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/04/02/regulations-gone-mad/
Mind you, it is serial moron judith sloane, who went on to say this
Coming from Adelaide, she has a natural aversion to water tanks.
Just shows what a tool sloane is. Adelaide has the same friggin’ regulations as Sydney (or very closely aligned), and our reputation (well earned) for poor water, has nothing to do with tanks, but is from our filtered Murray water. The percentage of properties in Adelaide have at least one water tank, and that is mostly due to needs over regulation. She’s fucken hopeless, repeatedly.
1960 nil? ffs!
the lolstralian nil? fffs!!
http://waterplex.com.au/news/rainwater-tanks-as-decentralised-water-storage-in-australia/
For Australians living in rural locations, rainwater tanks are the only means of collecting and storing fresh water. This also used to be the case in Australian cities until many homeowners were forced to remove rainwater tanks from their backyards when mains water supply was first connected. In fact, until relatively recently, it was illegal to have a rainwater tank at home.
… And now it is too late. It is more efficient to put in a rainwater tank when the house is being built..
I call Bullshit on that! While its easier during construction it’s nor hard to retro fit a tank …
We installed a 5000 l stainless steel tank and use it for drinking water … (no fluoride – other chems!)
Its because of your twisted thinking that desal plants have to be constructed at enormous cost … you said so yourself …
So Tom R believes there is no problem with union behaviour unless it is capable of criminal prosecution.
Get that TomR. I will repeat again
In fact, until relatively recently, it was illegal to have a rainwater tank at home.
Also from the same link
Independent research has shown that rainwater tanks are a more viable economic proposition than desalination
But i guess they would say that since the company is in the business of selling rainwater tanks. But it was illegal to have a rainwater tank in Sydney until recently. Apart from the mosquito risk I don’t think Sydney Water liked the competition
From kneel’s link …
TB- there are a range of reasons that a rainwater tank is difficult to retro fit – the placement of the house on the bloc – eg – does it only have a courtyard.
Or the way the eves and downpipes are installed.
she has a natural aversion to water tanks … a “natural” aversion? WTF is that?
In fact, until relatively recently, it was illegal to have a rainwater tank at home.
And demonstrates how
dumbgreedy our pollies and public servants are … if you don’t have a water tank you pay for more water use … and Brisbane’s pricing has skyrocketed … originally to pay for the pipe and pumps connecting most dams in SE Qld …Not sure when the prices will come down again*
*sarc alert
TB- there are a range of reasons that a rainwater tank is difficult to retro fit – the placement of the house on the bloc – eg – does it only have a courtyard.
Or the way the eves and downpipes are installed.
Did I tell you I fitted my own?* Tell something I don’t know …
BTW I think you meant … eaves …
*In fact our tank is situated alongside the driveway at the front of the house enclosed/hidden by vertical gardens … and with the size shape and configurations available it just takes a little creative thinking …
Biggest problem is usually the negative thinking of members of a body corporate …
So do you have a house or are you on a body corporate?
So Tom R believes there is no problem with union behaviour unless it is capable of criminal prosecution.
Didn’t you call for the unions to follow the same rules as business?
Watched 4 Corners lately?
Unfknbelievable! $40,000,000 a year!
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/retiring-federal-politicians-will-get-sixfigure-pensions-for-life-20160303-gna6c1.html
More justification?
http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/buying/no-end-in-sight-for-sydney-and-melbournes-housing-affordability-crisis/news-story/8fe5693bea2d69487c10d3502804de73
So Tom R believes there is no problem with union behaviour unless it is capable of criminal prosecution.
I didn’t say that though, did I
I have a problem with a media insinuating illegal behaviour, only for that to time and again fall down when the reality is applied. Should I put words into your mouth and say that you obviously support allegations made about Unions to be freely aired, and then their innocence hidden away as a footnote to other witch hunt stories?
Independent research has shown that rainwater tanks are a more viable economic proposition than desalination
I note that this manufacturer of water tanks doesn’t link to any of this “Independent research” 😉
BTW I think you meant … eaves …
Perhaps he put them up in the late afternoon?
There are a great many examples of unsavoury union behaviour in construction, mining and (what’s left of) manufacturing. Whether or not this meets the standard for a criminal prosecution is for others to determine.
When we make judgements about the behaviour of people and organisations, it usually isn’t based on whether the police have successfully prosecuted them or not.
You continually reflect on the structure of Turnbull’s finances – is there anything illegal there?
There are a great many examples of unsavoury union behaviour in construction, mining and (what’s left of) manufacturing.
Then why do they keep raising these strawmen?
You continually reflect on the structure of Turnbull’s finances
Considering he makes decisions that affect those areas, the questions are pertinent
Mr Noonan said that despite assertions by the Government that the Heydon Royal Commission had strengthened the case for the ABCC, the Heydon final report rejects the idea of creating industry-specific legal restrictions. It also concludes that different penalties should not be included in legislation that applies to one industry.
http://www.cfmeu.net.au/news/abcc-would-provide-no-benefits-to-industry
Even the coven thinks an ABCC is wrong (according to the CFMEU)
“Considering
he makes decisionsunions are responsible for promoting good workplace behaviour and conduct and their behavioursthataffect those areas, the questions are pertinent’Fixed it for you
Try again…
“Considering unions are responsible for promoting good workplace behaviour and conduct and their behaviours, the questions are pertinent’
Did I tell you I fitted my own?* Tell something I don’t know …
Backyards are smaller in Sydney than in Brisbane and more people live in Apartments in Sydney. And very few people would install a rainwater tank if they have to pay for it themselves.
But the best place for a rainwater tank is under the house.
The money spent on one desal plant could have provided hundreds of thousands of rainwater tanks in the capital cities
Try again…
It might be best if you do
What “thuggery” is setting a bad example? From what turc revealed, the thugs were the building companies, being deliberately combative against Unions. So, perhaps you can highlight some PROVEN cases of thuggery?
Everything we have seen to date has been shown to be unsubstantiated, even with the full power of an RC thrown at it.
Proven? Didn’t the CFMEU cough up $$$$$$$$$$$ to Boral for their behaviour?
And $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to Grocon?
I also note that the msm are currently in adoration mode for niki savva’s new book shitting on yabot.
First, I found it amusing that the journos were so eager to highlight a book that basically highlighted how blind they have been since yabot became loto.
Then I became quite pissed of upon hearing of savva’s relationship with malcaymans office. This hasn’t been highlighted anywhere that I have seen (except in an old telegraph article). It provides a lot of context for the angle of her story imo.
And the msm glance over it as they did will all of yabots myriad short comings now being exposed.
In short, they have learnt nothing.
to Grocon?
You mean the ones who were responsible for the deaths of innocents, and the CFMEU paid millions because they tried to stop it?
Is THAT the kind of “thuggery” you wish to use as your case? 😯
At least there is one “journalist” out there
From TB’s link
…The boom has been generated by a combination of factors – the drought, the critically low level of the three dams supplying the city, tough water restrictions and generous rebate schemes provided by the Queensland Government and Brisbane City Council….
I don’t know about rebate schemes, were they ever advertised much? I’d think it has more to do with the water restrictions and dry dams and most importantly, having to pay for every drop of water used since they privatised water. Have the tanks boom come about since then?
I’m dead against privatisation of utilities for profit, think arthur sinodinos and his multi million dollar expectation [until ICAC]. The snouts first in the troughs are the pollies and their mates, speculators, they should all be charged with insider trading imo. A prime example of our politicians self interest and cronyism/nepotism rather than the national interest.
Why is there always more of this whenever a liberal party is in power?
#workerripoffs
…The report’s authors argue negative gearing should be abolished and migration levels reduced…
Exactly, because there is a correlation between high immigration rates as fodder for the tweet above. Exploitation and wage slavery to drive aussie wages down.. The govt deliberately distracts the public with a ‘look over there’ racist hatred against asylum seekers so they don’t notice the huge immigration taking place on their doorstep for cheap, exploitation wages that profit big business donors.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/young-girls-earning-less-pocket-money-than-boys-in-early-gender-pay-inequity/news-story/fcf0b7c1486f6a050d9c90badbb22592?utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_content=SocialFlow
…New research by The Australian Council of Trade Unions shows women are financially disadvantaged at every stage of their life.
It all starts with girls getting 11 per cent less pocket money than boys, and women getting 18 per cent less as a university graduate compared to men.
By the time women hit the workforce they will earn 17 per cent less than men — around $284.20 a week.
The wage gap widens further when women are in their child-bearing years, when they earn 40 per cent less than men of the same age, regardless of whether they have children.
By the time women retire they have less than half the superannuation of men: $138,150 for compared to $292,500. The research also shows 60 per cent of women have no superannuation at all, and 38 per cent will retire in poverty…
teabag,,,,,Try again,,,,,
#You can come over to today`s `industrial-relations` convention in south-west jonestown and show us all how `wise` you (think)are. Don`t panic, the cmfu2 aren`t allowed. #detroitification #blow.back
zombie,,,,,it was illegal to have a rainwater tank in Sydney until recently.,,,,,#correct, also some areas of boltsville (maybe council by council)
z,,,,,Apart from the mosquito risk,,,,,#this was always bullshit, there are various ways of prevent mozzies, the easiest is a layer of oil
z,,,,,I don’t think Sydney Water liked the competition,,,#BINGO #well.done:-)
So did CFMEU cough up $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or not?
So did CFMEU cough up $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or not?
So, did Grocon kill people? Were the CFMEU fighting for safety issues?
Yea, use that as your example of “thuggery” Go Ahead!
The savva book has become a bit of a sexist pile-on, apparently credlin was the problem, she is to blame, not the most powerful man in the land who lazily handed everything over to her. The smirking arrogance, indulgence and greedy entitlement of one man who had grasped power because of the people he sucked up to and opened doors for him.
Abbott was incompetent for the job and we all knew he was a nutter before and after he became PM. He was never able to rise to any level of competence, he doesn’t have it in him, his thinking is rationally flawed, ideological to the extreme. He was the priest telling us all how we had to live and delivering fire and brimstone lectures/sermons, be afraid, be very afraid, of everything.
How the hell did he ever get sold to the public as a saviour? The media has a lot to answer for, the journo’s who minimised the stuff-ups, the macho posturing & the craziness of the man while maximising his abilities. They indulge him still.
Credlin was unelected and she was given the power of government by a weak and incompetent abbott [and all the MP’s who fell into line from the outset]. This highlights the absolute unaccountability and undemocratic nature of the seedy operations of political staffers. They should be forced to answer to the people through parliamentary oversights/committees, forced to account for their actions.
Our democracy is a sham, deliberately broken by the politicians and their backers to reward themselves.
Why don’t we all protest and not one of us vote in ‘their’ sham election.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/07/from-family-to-foreign-policy-depth-of-peta-credlins-hold-over-abbott-emerges
…Lucia4067 23m ago
Is this yet another case of making the female ‘the witch’ to vindicate the man?
YesDear Lucia4067 16m ago
Since it was Abbott who decided Credlin should share the Prime Ministership with him, it’s clear he’s the one to blame.
sirbobness 1h ago
So all the misogyny, the sexism, the macho posturing, the speedos, the marathons, the bike rides, the shirt fronting, the punching of walls, the physical intimidation and all the while Abbott is completely beholden to one manipulative woman’s whims.
Amazing! I hope he finds good therapist.
Bigswinger sirbobness 1h ago
Got to agree, the Mad Monk he seems one conflicted individual and the LNP should take the blame that someone so incapable could be promoted to leader of the coalition and then PM and to all you fools that voted for him (I’d say there would not be many in this forum) own up to it!
Fine. I haven’t noticed anyone here supporting Grocon or poor safety.
Buy you never fail to defend unsavoury unions.
The savva book has become a bit of a sexist pile-on
That’s what I thought too ao
It’s all that womans fault
And, let’s forget a media that didn’t care at the time, or pretty much up until malcayman took over. No questions asked.
Just like they aren’t asking WHY savva is relesing this now?
And they are just accepting it as fact. Without looking into her connection with malcayman
speaking of which, I note insiders had the comms minister on on Sunday.
But forgot (again) to ask anything about the nations largest infrastructure project that is rapidly turning to shit
They’re hopeless, the lot of ’em.
I haven’t noticed anyone here supporting Grocon
I’m truly misinterpreting your comments then
hehehehe
Buy you never fail to defend unsavoury unions.
“I pay more tax than 99% of Australians … ”
Must work for an “unsavoury” Robber Baron … Connonwealf Bank ‘elf Insurance?
But forgot (again) to ask anything about the nations largest infrastructure project that is rapidly turning to shit
Yes, TR, I thought that was odd too 😉
Ah Tip Custard … still as stupid as ever …
But forgot (again) to ask anything about the nations largest infrastructure project that is rapidly turning to shit
Why do you say that? FTTN is being built much faster than FTTP which is what Labor wants. But if the ALP gets back in you can change back to FTTP. It would be amusing to see how much building the NBN slows down with FTTP.
Ah Tip Custard … still as stupid as ever …
Why do you say Costello is stupid?
Milkum TurnAbbout is starting to tarnish I see …
This is an interesting read
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columns/malcolm-turnbull-refuses-at-the-same-fiscal-fences-as-tony-abbott-20160307-gnc8mr#ixzz42Ggufi9S
The Turnbull government has repeated the policy laziness of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey by mulling tax cuts without spending cuts.
John Howard once said of Kim Beazley that he “lacked the ticker” to succeed. Is the same true of Malcolm Turnbull?
Almost six months after deposing Abbott, who had led the Coalition back from the grave to which Turnbull had earlier consigned it, and then to a smashing victory in 2013, the new government appears becalmed. It is adrift in a sea of overblown rhetoric, unsupported by any achievements worth mentioning.
The office of Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed that 2 refugees transferred from Nauru to Cambodia have returned home
Dopey Dutton will see that as mission accomplished … outcomes by any means …
How much did that exercise cost?
How much did that exercise cost?
Less than your stupid vote in 2007.
We had 6 boat people in detention in 2007.
In a burst of moral superiority you deadbeats abolished the Pacific Solution.
50,000 boat people latter with 8,000 children locked up and costing us $15B -$20B the Coalition is cleaning up the mess.
TB you need to start apologising. You need to start to admit that you are wrong.
A plebiscite on marriage equality is an obnoxious and costly exercise driven by organised religion … this is supposedly a secular country but we are overrun by bigoted politicians and … if you consider the polls … over half the nation supporting bigotry, lying, cheating, deception, cruelty, thieving, cronyism, nepotism, misrepresentation and twisted ideology …
And get fucked kneel you have no idea what I propose should happen to refugees and asylum seekers to Australia nor do you have an inkling of my beliefs and expectations for my country … and twats like you!
A plebiscite on marriage equality is an obnoxious and costly exercise driven by organised religion
So say the lefties. I find it amusing that the people who do nothing but waste taxpayers money are all of a sudden concerned about wasting taxpayers money.
I suspect lefties do not want a plebiscite because they may not get what they want.
I suspect lefties do not want a plebiscite because they may not get what they want.
Maybe people are fed up with being told we have a spending problem when a plebiscite that will waste $160 million dollars will only prove what we already know … the majority don’t know what all the fuss is about when it comes to a human rights issue … they already expect the right for gay and lesbian PEOPLE to marry … its just dumb delaying tactics by the catlyk believers …
… and then we have 22 “retiring” politicians who will cost the taxpayers $40 million A YEAR!
On top of a $20 BILLION per YEAR defence spend … after the ADF suffered a 2% pay rise and loss of condition to a gung ho fkn Mad Abbott!
Its nothing to do with left, right or centre … its madness!
You moronic ideologue!
Maybe people are fed up with being told we have a spending problem when a plebiscite that will waste $160 million dollars
No. Lefties only care about wasting $160M when they cannot get what they want.
… and then we have 22 “retiring” politicians who will cost the taxpayers $40 million A YEAR!
What did Hawke/Keating do about this? Pollies Super is a disgrace, Nobodies who have done nothing get lifetime pensions for stuffing up the country. But that is what happens when humans get hold of taxpayers money.
I believe that Defined Benefit Schemes are no longer available for politicians. I think Costello did something about that in 2004. They are now treated like the rest of us.
They are now treated like the rest of us.
Hardly. They use taxpayers money for everything they do. I doubt they even buy a cup of coffee with their own money [not that they would fetch it themselves anyway, that would be some assistant’s assistant job].
I find it amusing that the people who do nothing but waste taxpayers money are all of a sudden concerned about wasting taxpayers money.
Why should we do anything the churches demand anyway, perhaps we could have a closer look at the school chaplain’s cost to the taxpayer and all the millions that go straight into their coffers through their tax free status. Let’s have a plebiscite on the voter’s opinions on those two issues while we’re about it.
Ross Hannaford.
“Hannaford, a founding member of Daddy Cool, 65, passed away in Melbourne today.”
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/daddy-cool-pioneer-ross-hannaford-loses-battle-with-cancer/news-story/bf1cd4a22b91884f9bec541cd4fdd349
Now that brings back mem’ries, ToSY …
(Another) Sad day … strange that life expectancy for men is supposed to be 82 …
Oh dear
Sir George Martin has carked it as well
Goodbye George
http://www.vevo.com/watch/the-beatles/hello-goodbye/GBUV71501360
Sir George Martin has carked it as well
Yes indeed, wally … RIP Sir George … how many lives were changed … mine for one!
90 is a good innings I reckon!
“Love Me Do” … I’d never heard anything so good before … I was enthralled by the harmony … amazing stuff for 1962 …
In 1964 I stood outside Festival Hall – on the way back from three hours at the South Brisbane Automotive College! – and listened to them play …
None of that would have happened (well maybe) if not for George Martin and of course Brian Epstein …
Oh Dear for INVESTORS like David Koch … wonder who he votes for …
This gem …
This would encourage MORE new developments not fewer “kochie” … 🙄
nternet Australia Backs FttP deployment & endorses MyBroadbandvReality’s recommendations
http://mybroadbandvreality.net.au/news-display/internet-australia-backs-fttp-deployment-endorses-mybroadbandvrealitys-recommendations,14#.Vt-r2aaVxRE.twitter
…Last Friday, Internet Australia (https://www.internet.org.au/about) appeared at the NBN Senate Committee. In the past Internet Australia has called for fast, ubiquitous broadband without publicly favouring a technological solution. Based on new fibre costings and backed by a survey of its members – IA has now called for a re-assessment of the Government’s MTM model. “Deploy fibre” was the short answer from IA’s vice-chair, Dr Paul Brooks, when asked what the government should do with the NBN at the Senate inquiry on Friday…
Oh Dear for INVESTORS like David Koch … wonder who he votes for …
That is easy. Koch votes Labor. I can tell because a lot of his advice is wrong. There are lots of wealthy people who vote labor. It soothes their conscience.
AO
You need to stop pushing the party line. FTTP would bankrupt the country for no added benefit.
FTTP would bankrupt the country for no added benefit.
Dumb as shite!
There are lots of wealthy people who vote labor. It soothes their conscience.
Dumber than shite!
Yep. Lots of wealthy people vote Labor. When they get hold of the pen they are given to vote they brag about how great they are because they are about to vote Labor. It smooths their conscience. They think they are helping people without having to give up some of their money.
They are actually the lowest scum on earth which means they are totally suitable for the ALP
LOL! Shreel kneel !
You need to stop pushing the party line. FTTP would bankrupt the country for no added benefit.
You’re the one pushing the party line [and you can’t even see it]. it has support from both sides of the political fence, the public wants FTTP, the libs should deliver, they are holding the country to ransom to please rupert. They’ve already bankrupted the country, morally, ethically and financially.
“FTTP would bankrupt the country for no added benefit.”
NBN: 5 drop outs daily “acceptable” on new FTTN network
http://blog.jxeeno.com/dropouts-acceptable-on-nbn-new-fttn-network/
…Leaked internal documents detailing the fault resolution process on the FTTN/B network suggests a nightmare process awaits millions of Australians..
RIP JOHN ENGLISH … !
66? FMD!
On brighter note …
My third grandson becomes an adult today …
And a special friend has a special birthday today too …
Can’t wait for Dopey Dutton to finally get his cum uppance!
He is a very nasty piece of work!
And obviously shit scared of Tony Windsor!
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/voters-will-see-through-windsor-dutton/news-story/a40ac17c76998f893b4de60846a8ca0b
LOL! Just how many LNP parliamentarians are resigning at the next election?
Having lived in a Gambaro held electorate, all I can say is good riddance.
If the LNP think that Campbell Newman may be a substitute … tell ’em they’re dreaming …
Talk about a crumbling empire … and with an emperor who has no clothes … Guffaw!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/teresa-gambaro-quits-lnp-figures-blast-dummy-spit-20160309-gnexrh.html
Tony Windsor will go head to head against Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce for the seat of New England.
Windsor is stupid and old – he should stay retired.
I listened to an interview with him this morning – he sounded just like a politician, waffling and dodging questions.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/federal-election-2016-tony-windsor-confirms-bid-to-unseat-barnaby-joyce-in-new-england-20160309-gnf48l.html#ixzz42SMiBoRv
I listened to an interview with him this morning – he sounded just like a politician, waffling and dodging questions.
wow, so he’s a politician like the rest of them. unfknblvable!
Windsor is stupid and old – he should stay retired.
bananaby is stupid and a slightly young[er] fogey. without the progressive, evidence based thinking of windsor. Windsor is not blinded by faith and blinkered by coalition ideology. Did bananaby stop the shenua mine on prime farming & grazing land. What about the toxic pollution to the water tables? Bananaby exists because of Gina’s $.
“Mr Mutton speculated that Mr Andrews was motivated by relevance-deprivation syndrome and loved the media attention.
“He’s a self-funded retiree whose got millions of dollars out of the sale of his farm to a mining company and now pretends to be the champion of farmers,” Mr Mutton told Radio 2FU on Thursday.”
Bananaby exists because of Gina’s $.
I don’t think that would bother someone who pays more tax than 99% of the population, KL …
I’m quite happy that Windsor is returning (despite his surname*) … of all the wafflers he seems to be one with an objective mind …
He’s obviously got the LNP movers and shakers worried … ToM and Dopy Dutton …
Sad to hear about Jon English today.
Seems to be too many going lately 😦
This was my introduction to him.
“”And a special friend has a special birthday today too …””
🙂
“”And a special friend has a special birthday today too …””
What? You think I don’t have special friends? 🙂
I will not be filling out this years census … here’s why …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/census-day-is-about-to-get-a-lot-more-personal/news-story/15f2d7b141ce6818cd1d3687e34d4f95
Call me paranoid but I was born just after WWII imagine Hitler with this sort of information AND your name and address …
II> … to 2016 … imagine an Australian Donald Trump (I can think of a few) and all the mad cronies he/she will attract … and access to this information …
Add this to the metadata laws and you’re fucked …
Whatever happened to the Privacy Laws? Have you noticed they only seem to work in favour of government information, data and knowledge about YOU? Not FOR you!
If you haven’t read “1984” just quote it as Big Brother and creepy (you can get it as an ebook as well as hard copy) THEN YOU SHOULD!
That news on the census is quite scary TB BigBro IS coming for you.
Oh how we reminisce back to the old days when FreedomDudes screamed at Labors BigBrother internet escapades.
It all seems so quaint now. Imagine, being on a list of wanting your internet connection to have a parental control or not.
How ORWELLIAN!
Not a peep from the peeps now though the REAL bros are in charge. It’s all for our own good, really 😉
Meanwhile, this peep cut to core of it all. The greens are cutting back room deals and rushing legislation through without proper scrutiny all for our own good. Interestingly, the little scrutiny it did get found at least one major hole they had to paper over. Wonder how many more will appear? I’m beginning to think the greens are going to be biggest challenge for Labor in order to win the next election. Mind you, Labor are playing it ugly too, Albo has put out some pretty low claims against the greens too. No-one here get’s out alive (5-1 , 1-5)
So who is having a birthday?